WEBVTT - The campaign winds down and a new government emerges 0:00:09.150 --> 0:00:12.720 Hello, I'm Peter Townsend, and welcome to forecast the post-election 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.870 episode after five grueling weeks. And I'm just talking our 0:00:15.870 --> 0:00:19.830 weekly forecast episodes here. The election has been run and won, 0:00:19.829 --> 0:00:23.130 and the libs are back for a fourth historic term, 0:00:23.130 --> 0:00:26.640 albeit in minority. Here to go through the entrails of 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.770 the election, as they have for the past five weeks. 0:00:28.770 --> 0:00:33.060 Win news director Alex Johnston. Hello and Mercury chief political 0:00:33.060 --> 0:00:36.510 reporter David Killer Killick. Great to be here. And of course, 0:00:36.510 --> 0:00:41.100 returning from his secondment to the Liberal campaign is Brad Stansfield, 0:00:41.100 --> 0:00:44.159 who has been absolutely champing at the bit to come 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.770 back to forecast today. And the first question I have 0:00:46.770 --> 0:00:49.680 for you, Brad, is did you have roast turkey for 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:50.580 dinner last night? 0:00:51.540 --> 0:00:55.260 Yes. Speech. Um, no, I didn't, but I would have 0:00:55.260 --> 0:00:56.850 loved to have had some. I think I had some 0:00:56.850 --> 0:01:00.060 pork instead, but, uh. Yeah, roast turkey, gravy, a barrel. 0:01:00.060 --> 0:01:02.970 Definitely on the menu on Saturday night. And look, it 0:01:02.970 --> 0:01:06.930 is thrilling to be back on the show of, um, uh, 0:01:07.350 --> 0:01:11.820 in just listened, uh, enjoyed and endured in various parts 0:01:11.819 --> 0:01:14.460 over the past five weeks. And I'm really thrilled to 0:01:14.459 --> 0:01:17.280 be able to restore some balance to this program. Although 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:17.730 it pains. 0:01:17.730 --> 0:01:20.070 Me to say that some people have given feedback that 0:01:20.069 --> 0:01:24.270 they actually missed you in the same way that miss Mr.. Mr. Burns, 0:01:24.270 --> 0:01:26.400 if he wasn't on The Simpsons, I imagine. But anyway, 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.649 I don't think he's been through the sheep dip enough 0:01:28.650 --> 0:01:30.210 times to be honest. 0:01:30.300 --> 0:01:32.880 I had some feedback that people just missed the, uh, 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.819 the tighter tie between myself and Alex. Oh, well. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.820 I can strap themselves in for the next hour or so. 0:01:38.910 --> 0:01:41.490 All right, well, come on, Brad, you've got to say it. 0:01:41.490 --> 0:01:43.320 Give us. Give us your $0.10 worth. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.910 Well, um, I would start out with this comment. Um, 0:01:48.630 --> 0:01:53.730 elections are about winning. There is only two options. You 0:01:53.730 --> 0:01:57.270 are the winner or you lose. And, um. Uh. We won. 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:09.110 Did you. Did you know who won in 2010 then? Labor. Well. 0:02:09.500 --> 0:02:13.080 Sharp intake of breath. Yeah. Do you want to go 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.480 beach or should we start there? You go for it, AJ. 0:02:15.510 --> 0:02:19.350 It's all yours. I mean, the idea was to provide 0:02:19.350 --> 0:02:22.600 a stable parliament. And now you're going to have to 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.470 rely on a crossbench, some of which we don't know yet. 0:02:26.470 --> 0:02:29.350 Of course, still a lot of votes to be counted. 0:02:29.350 --> 0:02:32.170 But give me the pitch. Why are we in a 0:02:32.169 --> 0:02:34.929 more stable position than we were five weeks ago, when 0:02:34.930 --> 0:02:37.840 the election wasn't due for another 13 months? All right. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.710 A few things. Firstly, as alluded to, the turkeys, the 0:02:41.710 --> 0:02:47.110 rebels are gone. Yep. No, as is just full of record, 0:02:47.110 --> 0:02:50.590 I think, noting the attempted, um, uh, comeback from the 0:02:50.590 --> 0:02:53.500 from the original rebel. Miss Hickey also failed, and I 0:02:53.500 --> 0:02:55.600 think so. I think there's just a broader lesson there 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.440 and what the electorate think about people that are disloyal 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.149 to their party. So that's my first point. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:07.780 The interests of democracy are not always exactly the same 0:03:07.780 --> 0:03:10.900 as a vendetta, but it's good that it's good that you. 0:03:11.110 --> 0:03:12.070 People have spoken. 0:03:12.070 --> 0:03:14.200 The people have spoken. It's great that it aligned with 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.470 your interests. I saw John Tucker on Saturday night. He 0:03:17.470 --> 0:03:19.360 said he had no regrets. He was proud of the 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.370 way he stood up for what he believed in. He 0:03:21.370 --> 0:03:23.620 did cop it from you. And I've had lots of 0:03:23.620 --> 0:03:26.410 feedback that the way that they've been described and by 0:03:26.410 --> 0:03:31.540 myself as well, calling them defectors was, um, unfair. Uh, 0:03:31.540 --> 0:03:34.390 but do you have anything nice to say about them now? 0:03:34.389 --> 0:03:35.890 They're out of political life? Brad. 0:03:35.890 --> 0:03:40.090 No, no, I think that, um, as I said, possibly 0:03:40.090 --> 0:03:42.040 in the last episode, I was here. The most important 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.420 thing in politics is loyalty. And if you are disloyal, 0:03:46.420 --> 0:03:49.270 then political sense. You deserve everything you got coming through. 0:03:49.270 --> 0:03:51.250 All right? That's what's happened. So that's the biggest point. 0:03:51.250 --> 0:03:51.670 But yeah. 0:03:51.670 --> 0:03:54.160 So second point. Why are we in a better position now? 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:54.490 All right. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.610 Let's do a bit of math. Now my David's got 0:03:57.610 --> 0:04:00.160 about 15 spreadsheets over there and a calculator ready to 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.010 ready to calculate against me. But, um, I would make 0:04:03.010 --> 0:04:07.330 this point. The parliament went from 25, 6 to 35 seats. Um, 0:04:07.660 --> 0:04:13.660 the labor seat count went from 9 to 10. I 0:04:13.660 --> 0:04:15.490 think that's where it will end on my assessment and 0:04:15.490 --> 0:04:18.580 Kevin Bonham's assessment. So, as we know, made him always 0:04:18.580 --> 0:04:22.240 on a unity ticket. Um, so that is, by my calculation, 0:04:22.390 --> 0:04:26.229 they went from that was, uh, in a 25 seat parliament. 0:04:26.230 --> 0:04:30.640 They were at 36% of the parliament, and they are 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.789 now going to be at 28% of the parliament. So 0:04:33.790 --> 0:04:38.049 labor representation in the Parliament has actually gone backwards. The 0:04:38.050 --> 0:04:44.050 Liberal Party started the election at 11 seats, uh, and 0:04:44.050 --> 0:04:46.270 by the end of the count will be at 15 0:04:46.270 --> 0:04:51.099 under 35, which by my calculation is a 1% drop 0:04:51.100 --> 0:04:56.320 from 44 to 43. So essentially the same representation. So 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.630 I think the first point to be made is the 0:04:58.630 --> 0:05:02.560 Liberal position in the Parliament is proportionally as good as 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.870 it was beforehand. In fact, it sped up because their 0:05:04.870 --> 0:05:06.220 main opponents have gone backwards. 0:05:06.220 --> 0:05:08.590 But you didn't get back the two seats that, um, 0:05:08.589 --> 0:05:10.719 went to the crossbench. Is that a failure? 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.919 No. Third point I would make is that, as alluded 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.500 to in the first point, the the rebels have gone 0:05:17.500 --> 0:05:19.600 and they have been replaced by. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:21.680 Yes. Jealous? Who? 0:05:21.710 --> 0:05:26.810 Well, no. Mostly unknowns, but I think the point can 0:05:26.810 --> 0:05:30.860 fairly be made. And judging by the public comments of 0:05:30.860 --> 0:05:33.679 Senator Lambie, that they are people who are minded to 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:38.300 deliver stability and certainty rather than being monitored, deliver wrecking 0:05:38.300 --> 0:05:42.140 and vendettas and instability. That's that's a very big difference. 0:05:42.140 --> 0:05:45.380 The Parliament is completely different in that sense. The wreckers 0:05:45.380 --> 0:05:46.820 are gone and people are there that want to make 0:05:46.820 --> 0:05:47.330 it work. 0:05:47.330 --> 0:05:51.500 Mark those words. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. A picture of stability. Yeah. 0:05:51.500 --> 0:05:53.479 I mean, it's going to be great. John Tucker and 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.560 Laurie Alexander were two virtues of stability for a long 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:02.360 time and then changed their mind. But let's hope for 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:07.160 Brad's sake that, um, he knows what he's getting himself into. Well, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.180 let's hope for Tasmania's sake. I mean, when we're sitting 0:06:11.180 --> 0:06:14.810 here looking at the party that won 37% of the vote, 0:06:14.810 --> 0:06:18.530 forming government over the party that won 29% of the vote, 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.380 you know, it's a lot of people didn't vote for 0:06:21.380 --> 0:06:22.729 a major party. That's right. 0:06:22.730 --> 0:06:25.820 It's guys, you know, the election's over. You know the 0:06:25.820 --> 0:06:30.890 kool aid. The government has been returned. Asterisk. Yeah. Our 0:06:30.890 --> 0:06:32.060 government has been returned. 0:06:32.089 --> 0:06:35.120 Government has a government has been returned. It'll require the 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.880 support of people who've been named. And speaking of knowing, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.390 the election's over, did you? Right. Um, Jeremy Rockliff speech 0:06:41.390 --> 0:06:43.820 on Saturday night. Premiers words. Goodness me. It was like 0:06:43.820 --> 0:06:47.659 George Bush on the aircraft carrier mission. Mission accomplished, wasn't it? 0:06:47.660 --> 0:06:50.420 And great. And what happened 23 hours later. 0:06:50.630 --> 0:06:54.020 24 hours later, he remembered that it was probably not 0:06:54.020 --> 0:06:56.120 a very good speech and changed his tune. 0:06:56.180 --> 0:07:00.380 No, Alex. 24 hours later, the opposition leader did what 0:07:00.380 --> 0:07:02.210 she should have done on election night and conceded because 0:07:02.210 --> 0:07:04.489 she couldn't form government from ten seats. I'll forget about. 0:07:04.490 --> 0:07:05.660 Labor. We'll get to their problems. 0:07:05.779 --> 0:07:07.520 So my point is, you have to. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.980 Admit he got the tone badly wrong on Saturday night 0:07:09.980 --> 0:07:12.200 and rectified it yesterday. No, the. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.540 Premier declared victory on Saturday night because he won on 0:07:14.540 --> 0:07:18.890 Saturday night, Saturday night, as was then confirmed on Sunday 0:07:18.890 --> 0:07:20.960 when the opposition leader conceded defeat. 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.740 But why not on Saturday night? Say that clearly the 0:07:24.740 --> 0:07:28.430 government was sent a message like he said yesterday. Like 0:07:28.430 --> 0:07:31.160 Michael Ferguson said today credit where it's due. I think 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.320 they've said all the right things since, but on Saturday 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:34.100 night it looked like. 0:07:34.550 --> 0:07:36.290 Would you prefer to concede it on Saturday night? 0:07:36.380 --> 0:07:38.570 No. Well another victory like that. And he would have 0:07:38.570 --> 0:07:40.970 had to you know, I mean you can't you can't 0:07:40.970 --> 0:07:43.040 have another win like that where you lose 12% of 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.790 your 12, you suffer a 12% swing and lose. 0:07:46.940 --> 0:07:50.030 25% of vote buying labor 11 and the executive building 0:07:50.030 --> 0:07:50.930 out the Labor Party. 0:07:50.930 --> 0:07:54.380 Yeah, well, but when 60% of the population don't vote 0:07:54.380 --> 0:07:56.840 for you, I'm not sure you can make the speech 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.540 that Jeremy Rockliff made on Saturday night. Where was the 0:07:59.540 --> 0:08:02.270 concession that a lot of people have voted for a 0:08:02.270 --> 0:08:06.140 different option? Um, anyway, I thought he'd got it right yesterday. 0:08:06.140 --> 0:08:08.960 It's just perplexing. On Saturday night. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.720 Memo to Premier. Don't declare victory when you win. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.720 I mean, you were very harsh. And Rebecca White's speech 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:19.400 in 2018 when she lost. Yes, when she lost. But 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:25.220 you know, similar, um, misstep in terms of reading the room, 0:08:25.220 --> 0:08:28.429 I would have thought, um, no. Okay. Well, you are 0:08:28.430 --> 0:08:31.190 the first person to say that out of about 150 0:08:31.190 --> 0:08:32.360 people I've talked to about it. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.610 So have you been outside of Clark? 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.090 Uh, no, obviously, I haven't been outside of Clark. No, 0:08:38.090 --> 0:08:42.800 it's it's a quaint tradition of the parliament, I thought, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.530 that decides who forms government. Who becomes premier. Is that 0:08:46.130 --> 0:08:46.579 is that not. 0:08:46.610 --> 0:08:48.830 Is that the voters to decide? Voters and the voters. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.860 Decide who goes to parliament? The parliament decides to form 0:08:51.950 --> 0:08:54.650 government and the leader of that party becomes premier. Well, 0:08:54.650 --> 0:08:57.920 I think there's this saga has a little way to go. 0:08:57.950 --> 0:09:00.500 We've got a few weeks of uncertainty. He'll actually form Parliament. 0:09:00.500 --> 0:09:02.330 I think. I admire your certitude. 0:09:02.330 --> 0:09:05.179 The rock of Liberal government has been returned. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.630 So Kelly's right. It's impact. Killing is right. You're very 0:09:08.630 --> 0:09:11.630 lucky that the Labor Party is scared of itself and 0:09:11.630 --> 0:09:15.080 scared of the prospect of governing with the Greens. Because 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:19.130 they could they could Stuart. All right. So you that 0:09:19.130 --> 0:09:23.390 speech was made knowing that labor would buckle on the Sunday. Okay. 0:09:24.110 --> 0:09:26.720 Well once again you're playing you're playing chess and the 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.360 rest of us are playing tic tac toe. Well no. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.790 Hold on. I will throw in my $0.10 worth I've 0:09:32.390 --> 0:09:34.460 given you. I've given you all a bit of leash 0:09:34.460 --> 0:09:37.730 here to go for it. Uh, to let Brad to 0:09:37.820 --> 0:09:39.530 get it out of his system to Brad. It's got 0:09:39.530 --> 0:09:42.859 more bent. And for you gents to argue your position. Look, 0:09:42.860 --> 0:09:44.929 the reality is that my reading of it was was 0:09:44.929 --> 0:09:48.679 labor on on Saturday night were still keeping the dream alive. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.050 They were looking at trying to come up with a 0:09:51.050 --> 0:09:54.380 solution that was workable, that would see them governed. Right. 0:09:54.380 --> 0:09:58.370 That was definitely the messages that I was receiving. I suspect, 0:09:58.370 --> 0:10:01.730 by the nods that you gents were receiving similar kinds 0:10:01.730 --> 0:10:04.640 of commentary regarding that. So. Oh, I could just tell 0:10:04.670 --> 0:10:07.490 by the speech that Rebecca White wanted to release. Let 0:10:07.490 --> 0:10:08.270 the dust settle. 0:10:08.390 --> 0:10:12.050 So let's come in here. I'm sorry, you guys, who 0:10:12.050 --> 0:10:16.460 are guardians of our democracy through the Fourth Estate, seemed 0:10:16.460 --> 0:10:18.800 to be suggesting that you thought it absolutely fine that 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.229 Rebecca might. Go back on her word and do a 0:10:21.230 --> 0:10:22.160 deal with the Greens. 0:10:23.429 --> 0:10:24.330 No, I'm not saying that. 0:10:24.450 --> 0:10:25.020 Well, that was the only. 0:10:25.020 --> 0:10:28.890 Way there was then. A defending steel is basically a 0:10:28.890 --> 0:10:33.600 labor form government. I mean, it it would require some extraordinary, 0:10:33.870 --> 0:10:38.790 some extraordinary. Um, yeah. Diplomacy and going back on their word. Yeah, 0:10:38.910 --> 0:10:41.280 she would be punished for that. But like David said, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.760 you know, they're the people have spoken. If those other 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.910 parties in opposition or decided to form a coalition, I mean. 0:10:47.910 --> 0:10:50.280 Integrity in politics, whatever happened to it? Boy, I'm not. 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.710 Saying that she wouldn't have been punished or not. They first, 0:10:52.710 --> 0:10:55.890 wouldn't it certainly be cheering for their I'm not cheering 0:10:55.890 --> 0:10:58.980 for the outcome. But of course that is a possibility. 0:10:59.100 --> 0:11:00.660 It happens in Europe all the time. 0:11:00.660 --> 0:11:03.059 So don't go into elections promising not to do it. 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:04.950 No, no. And then you would hit them over the 0:11:04.950 --> 0:11:07.079 head with a political hammer and that's fine. And I 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.140 think they were stupid at the speech Rebecca White made 0:11:10.140 --> 0:11:11.670 on election night. She should have made in the first 0:11:11.670 --> 0:11:14.189 day of the campaign. And more people might have considered 0:11:14.190 --> 0:11:17.370 voting Labour, or at least preferencing Labour. I think it 0:11:17.370 --> 0:11:20.880 was the the right speech at the wrong time. So 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.830 but it was too upbeat. It was too much of 0:11:22.830 --> 0:11:25.500 a victory speech rather than a concession speech. No. But 0:11:25.500 --> 0:11:28.350 she touched on some very good points that Jeremy Rockliff 0:11:28.350 --> 0:11:31.439 failed to do. She had a much better, such as 0:11:31.470 --> 0:11:33.959 a lot of people did not vote for the major parties. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.000 And you've got to respect that and you've got to 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.780 interpret that as well. Maybe we're not the greatest, you know, 0:11:39.780 --> 0:11:43.890 God's gift to our, you know, democracy. Let me let 0:11:43.890 --> 0:11:45.900 me just make a point. And then you can keep 0:11:45.900 --> 0:11:48.120 you can keep going with Iran. And we'll call this 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.490 not a podcast, but we'll call it a rant fest. 0:11:50.490 --> 0:11:54.750 But look, the reality is that what was swirling around the, the, 0:11:54.750 --> 0:11:58.050 the the tally room, right? And thank God we had 0:11:58.050 --> 0:11:59.939 a tally room. It was that labor were trying to 0:11:59.940 --> 0:12:03.089 stitch up a deal. First point. Second point is if 0:12:03.090 --> 0:12:05.700 you want something, you've got to claim it. So what 0:12:05.700 --> 0:12:09.360 Premier Rockliff did was he came in and he claimed it. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.000 He claimed his ground and he said it was his 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.810 election and it was his win. That's what occurred. Right. 0:12:15.809 --> 0:12:19.830 And it was the next day that labor realised that 0:12:19.830 --> 0:12:21.810 they weren't going to be able to pull something together. 0:12:21.809 --> 0:12:25.860 And so Rebecca White had to concede defeat. That's what occurred. 0:12:25.860 --> 0:12:28.710 And that's why the premier delivered the speech he delivered. 0:12:28.710 --> 0:12:32.400 And that's why Rebecca delivered the speech she delivered on 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.100 the night. And that's what occurred, I think. I think 0:12:35.100 --> 0:12:38.069 the premier could have certainly celebrated the result and made 0:12:38.070 --> 0:12:40.260 the point that we are in a much, much, much 0:12:40.260 --> 0:12:43.500 stronger position than labor to form this government. No, he 0:12:43.500 --> 0:12:45.660 didn't do that. He turned down step further. No, no. 0:12:45.660 --> 0:12:48.060 And he broke with tradition. He turned up before the 0:12:48.059 --> 0:12:52.020 opposition leader. Right. And he said, I have won this election. 0:12:52.020 --> 0:12:55.620 I am claiming my victory, full stop. That's what he did. 0:12:55.620 --> 0:12:58.860 And he forced labor to think about that and to 0:12:58.860 --> 0:13:00.960 think about what they would do in response to it. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.559 That's a fact. That's what occurred. I think the criticism 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.800 of both leaders, in hindsight is a glorious thing. And 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.650 I think, you know, with the benefit of that, um, 0:13:10.650 --> 0:13:13.470 you know, we can we can say, I think Mr. 0:13:13.470 --> 0:13:16.620 Rockliff was too quick to claim victory. And, um, and 0:13:16.620 --> 0:13:22.110 and Rebecca Whitestone was possibly wrong. These speeches, these comments 0:13:22.110 --> 0:13:26.430 are made in the heat of a fevered night of excitement. 0:13:26.429 --> 0:13:29.640 And when the numbers aren't really known, I think you 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:34.110 can forgive for people for not getting it exactly spot on. However, 0:13:34.110 --> 0:13:37.260 I'm going to disagree. I'm sorry. One party throughout this 0:13:37.260 --> 0:13:42.420 campaign aggressively campaigned to win, and one other party sort 0:13:42.420 --> 0:13:44.640 of went through the campaign with sort of a wishy 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:49.020 washy approach. And all that Rockliff did at that speech 0:13:49.020 --> 0:13:52.410 night was claim victory, just as he's aggressively campaigned with 0:13:52.410 --> 0:13:55.320 a retail style of politics all the way through the campaign. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.350 That's what occurred. It's why why do we see such 0:13:58.350 --> 0:14:01.860 a dramatic change of tone the next day? Because I 0:14:01.860 --> 0:14:04.380 think you'll find that labor had realised that they should 0:14:04.380 --> 0:14:07.920 be conceding defeat. Well, I they certainly did that, but 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.510 I don't think it had anything to do with Jeremy 0:14:09.510 --> 0:14:13.680 Rockliff speech. I think the everyone other than Rebecca White, 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.290 I think, thought the prospect of trying to govern from 0:14:16.290 --> 0:14:18.839 such a weak position, it was just untenable. But she 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.420 was thinking it. And so the Premier called it out. 0:14:21.420 --> 0:14:23.520 It's clear she was more than thinking it. It was 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:24.720 conversations being had. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.210 I actually don't know that no one well, I mean, 0:14:27.300 --> 0:14:29.460 maybe I was out of the loop. Well out of 0:14:29.460 --> 0:14:32.250 the loop and and what between. Yeah, between labor and 0:14:32.250 --> 0:14:36.190 the Greens. Of course there was, was there? Well, Rosalie 0:14:36.190 --> 0:14:38.680 Woodruff said today that she has not heard from either 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.200 party leader. But she also think it. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.570 Would have been through the conversations at the top. 0:14:44.380 --> 0:14:47.350 Since the election. What benefit would it do either of 0:14:47.350 --> 0:14:51.360 them to talk before things are settled? You're not going 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:52.590 to go out on a lecture night and say, oh, 0:14:52.590 --> 0:14:55.440 we've just stitched up a deal. So that's far fetched. 0:14:55.500 --> 0:14:56.610 They did in 99. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.180 Okay. All right. I want to hear. Yeah, I actually 0:15:00.180 --> 0:15:02.460 do want to hear more from Brad. Okay, good. Which 0:15:02.460 --> 0:15:05.460 bit do you want to hear? He's going to go 0:15:05.730 --> 0:15:06.540 find some questions. 0:15:06.540 --> 0:15:07.680 Yeah. Um. 0:15:08.670 --> 0:15:11.370 Do you think that you went backwards in the election 0:15:11.370 --> 0:15:14.790 campaign from where you started it or improved your position? 0:15:15.420 --> 0:15:19.020 Uh, jumping ahead in the script here, but we went, um, 0:15:19.530 --> 0:15:25.260 forwards and then, uh, went backwards on the last week, uh, 0:15:25.260 --> 0:15:28.080 directly as a result of the launch of the AFL 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.370 team on the Monday night. 0:15:29.370 --> 0:15:32.520 You went backwards because of the launch of the AFL team? Yes. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.430 Despite being the party that's been the strongest supporter of 0:15:35.430 --> 0:15:36.390 the AFL team. 0:15:36.390 --> 0:15:38.700 Explains. Might be revelation to you guys. Not to not 0:15:38.700 --> 0:15:41.280 to David because he agrees with me. The stadium. I've 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:48.780 yet the the biggest pile of stinking poo in this state. 0:15:49.260 --> 0:15:53.850 The stadium politically really. Uh, and very refreshing. We spent 0:15:53.850 --> 0:15:55.410 the you know, this has been my view all along. 0:15:55.410 --> 0:15:57.870 I think the record will show this. Um, of course, 0:15:57.870 --> 0:16:01.590 we spent the entire campaign variously trying to polish that 0:16:01.590 --> 0:16:04.590 turd or to cover it up and disguise it with 0:16:04.590 --> 0:16:07.770 various other pieces of shiny announcement. So it wasn't talked about. 0:16:07.770 --> 0:16:11.250 So therefore you don't buy in to some people's view, 0:16:11.250 --> 0:16:14.970 and certainly not mine, that the overwhelming support for the 0:16:14.970 --> 0:16:18.210 team equates to an overwhelming support for the stadium. 0:16:18.210 --> 0:16:21.000 Well, no. In fact, again, our vote went backwards in 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.010 the last week because what that launch did was bring 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.420 to the fore that issue. And as a result, many, 0:16:27.660 --> 0:16:29.670 many more people went to the ballot box thinking about 0:16:29.670 --> 0:16:32.070 that rather than thinking about what we wanted to talk about, 0:16:32.070 --> 0:16:33.840 was think about just a majority government. 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.000 And is there any chance in the world your vote 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.730 went backwards in the last week because last Sunday you 0:16:38.730 --> 0:16:41.550 came out and Undemocratically said, if you disagree with the 0:16:41.550 --> 0:16:44.490 Liberal Party, you'll be kicked out of Parliament. No, really 0:16:44.910 --> 0:16:49.010 got just wall to wall. Great feedback on that idea. Um, 0:16:49.010 --> 0:16:51.230 when will we see that enshrined? 0:16:51.260 --> 0:16:53.420 Well, when it passes the parliament, I presume. Alex. 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.820 Are you going to stick with that one? 0:16:56.090 --> 0:16:58.729 The entire 2030 strong plan cap here. 0:16:58.910 --> 0:16:59.660 Includes. 0:16:59.660 --> 0:17:00.800 Non-negotiable. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.860 You couldn't. Includes making people cap in hand. The plan? 0:17:04.609 --> 0:17:05.960 Well, um. 0:17:06.470 --> 0:17:09.020 What will be the threshold when Eric Abetz votes votes 0:17:09.020 --> 0:17:12.290 against conversion conversion therapy or I think. 0:17:12.290 --> 0:17:14.689 Yeah, that is a very long bow, Alex. I don't 0:17:14.690 --> 0:17:16.460 think it was made clear in the campaign that that 0:17:16.460 --> 0:17:19.310 is not the threshold. The threshold is easy for you, 0:17:19.310 --> 0:17:21.890 I don't know, quit your party to join another party 0:17:21.890 --> 0:17:24.110 or be an independent, which is what happened. 0:17:24.109 --> 0:17:27.680 And that's it. I hate to agree, but I will 0:17:27.710 --> 0:17:31.609 on the stadium. I'll offer a piece of weak data. 0:17:31.609 --> 0:17:33.619 Yes, I've got a weak correlation. 0:17:33.619 --> 0:17:37.730 Yeah, the swing against the liberals was strongest. The further 0:17:37.730 --> 0:17:41.389 you got from the stadium seems harder. Wow. So, um, 0:17:41.390 --> 0:17:44.690 in Lyons, the swing against the liberals. Tell me if 0:17:44.690 --> 0:17:50.780 I've done the maths wrong. 13.6%. Um, in Barada in 0:17:50.780 --> 0:17:56.450 in bass 21.85%. Correct. That's where the alternate games would 0:17:56.450 --> 0:17:58.580 be played. A stadium wasn't built where the. 0:17:58.580 --> 0:18:00.230 Stadium wasn't being built. One of. 0:18:00.230 --> 0:18:04.220 The point. Yeah. And in Braddon, 11.9. That confounds the 0:18:04.220 --> 0:18:06.560 the sort of straight line the further you get from home. 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:06.980 There was a. 0:18:06.980 --> 0:18:07.669 Premier factor. 0:18:07.670 --> 0:18:10.220 There. The less the stadium there was um, you know 0:18:10.220 --> 0:18:14.090 whereas Ian Clarke and Franklin minus four minus eight. 0:18:14.090 --> 0:18:14.300 There you. 0:18:14.300 --> 0:18:19.030 Go. There's your, there's your. Um, there's some dialogue I 0:18:19.030 --> 0:18:19.330 can add. 0:18:19.330 --> 0:18:22.840 To that writing style, uh, which came in from the 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.600 field via a candidates that it was the number one 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.960 issue on the doors north of Baghdad. 0:18:29.260 --> 0:18:32.379 That's right. It's funny. I mean, I got anecdotal evidence 0:18:32.380 --> 0:18:34.090 it was a problem for labor on the doors down 0:18:34.090 --> 0:18:36.520 here as well. So maybe the both things can be true. 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:37.990 I think it was a problem for labor. 0:18:38.020 --> 0:18:39.490 There's another position that was their problem. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.890 Well, they didn't they certainly didn't benefit from their anti-stadium stance. No, 0:18:44.890 --> 0:18:46.750 they didn't benefit. So what does that mean then. That. 0:18:46.750 --> 0:18:48.700 Well, well hang on, we'll come to that. But um, 0:18:48.700 --> 0:18:53.200 to be clear, um, it was the biggest single drag 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.359 on the Liberal campaign was the stadium. There was this 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.119 this election campaign was about one thing. It was the stadium. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.520 It just wasn't said out loud. But it was the 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.450 main issue in this campaign. Two parties that gained votes 0:19:04.450 --> 0:19:08.260 and gained seats were clearly against the stadium, the Lambies 0:19:08.260 --> 0:19:11.530 and the Greens. And you cannot argue with that. Yep. 0:19:11.530 --> 0:19:14.860 If the Labor Party had have had a clear, strong 0:19:14.859 --> 0:19:18.640 position against it from the start, if Rebecca White had 0:19:18.730 --> 0:19:20.980 stood on Macquarie Point every single day and said, I 0:19:20.980 --> 0:19:22.840 hate this thing, and then every second day said, I'm 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.150 going to build this hospital instead of that thing. Labor 0:19:25.150 --> 0:19:26.320 would be in government today. 0:19:28.430 --> 0:19:31.760 Let me be the first to say correlation is not causation, 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.060 but there is a correlation there. Um, you know, there 0:19:35.060 --> 0:19:38.330 could be other reasons that that could be true. And 0:19:38.330 --> 0:19:38.900 that's the main. 0:19:39.170 --> 0:19:40.070 That's the main campaign. 0:19:40.100 --> 0:19:40.520 Yeah. 0:19:41.030 --> 0:19:43.189 That's the biggest single drag. And as I say, the 0:19:43.190 --> 0:19:46.280 evidence was that our campaign, uh, went well when they 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.890 weren't talking about the stadium. We're talking about it. It 0:19:48.890 --> 0:19:49.580 went bad. 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:56.240 Well, that's very interesting. And that'll have huge ramifications, I imagine. No. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.260 How so? Well, why does it make people very nervous that. 0:20:01.630 --> 0:20:04.180 Are on the right track. They're going to forge ahead 0:20:04.180 --> 0:20:05.620 with it. The stadium will be built. 0:20:05.710 --> 0:20:07.479 The bizarre thing is, and you know, I'm the one 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.310 that said it would never get built. It will now 0:20:09.310 --> 0:20:13.300 get built because it has survived. The government has survived. 0:20:14.170 --> 0:20:17.350 The only government in favorite party has survived, and it 0:20:17.350 --> 0:20:18.340 will now get built. 0:20:18.340 --> 0:20:21.909 And they'll survive by building a coalition with a party 0:20:21.910 --> 0:20:22.750 that's against it. 0:20:22.750 --> 0:20:25.510 Are they? Not so much. Troy Pfitzner, for example, wasn't 0:20:25.510 --> 0:20:29.530 against it, nor was Jacqui Lambie today. And Jacqui said she. 0:20:29.530 --> 0:20:30.220 Reminds us. 0:20:30.730 --> 0:20:31.179 It reminds. 0:20:31.180 --> 0:20:31.899 A skeptic. 0:20:31.900 --> 0:20:34.869 Yes, that's a difference to being an opposition, isn't it? And, 0:20:34.869 --> 0:20:38.500 you know, do the math. Um, was David Byrne's position. 0:20:38.590 --> 0:20:40.239 So you think it will be built? Will it be 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.000 built at Macquarie Point, or is there any appetite for 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:44.530 looking at this second option? No, no, it'll. 0:20:44.530 --> 0:20:47.500 Be built at Macquarie Point as planned. A government has survived. 0:20:47.500 --> 0:20:49.990 The stadium has survived. It got a big scare. The 0:20:49.990 --> 0:20:51.790 government got a big scare as a result of it. 0:20:51.790 --> 0:20:55.600 But it will now be built and I fully expect, um, 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.740 the Labor Party, uh, to have a position on the 0:20:59.740 --> 0:21:03.219 stadium under their new leader, and I expect that position 0:21:03.220 --> 0:21:06.520 will be that they will support it, but criticise it 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.260 as to how much it costs and how many bricks 0:21:08.260 --> 0:21:09.910 aren't laid on it. That's what I would do. 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.280 I agree, I think that's where they'll end up and 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.080 that'll be healthy. 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.679 So, Mr. O'Brien, you can breathe easy. Save the stadium 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:18.280 on the tape. 0:21:19.210 --> 0:21:22.000 Oh thanks, Brad. Goodness me. I mean, they're talking about 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.179 who to name the first grandstand after. Maybe the Stansfield 0:21:25.180 --> 0:21:26.770 wing's got a not much of. 0:21:26.770 --> 0:21:27.490 An AFL player. 0:21:28.750 --> 0:21:33.010 That couldn't smash save the team. Listen, let's call it 0:21:33.010 --> 0:21:34.630 the cup of. What a hero. Well, my. 0:21:34.630 --> 0:21:38.320 Point is, the government being re-elected has saved the team. 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:41.170 If any other result, the team was dead. There was 0:21:41.170 --> 0:21:42.220 no doubt about that. 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.190 All right. Well, I reckon talking about the stadiums as 0:21:46.190 --> 0:21:50.119 toxic for focus as it is. So maybe let's move 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.179 on a little bit. So. So, Brad, there was a 0:21:53.180 --> 0:21:56.840 lot of eyebrows raised over the Lambie website. What's your 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.160 what's your view on that one? 0:21:58.940 --> 0:22:01.190 I mean, you know, much ado about nothing. I mean, 0:22:01.190 --> 0:22:03.889 sort of these kind of websites are passé for political 0:22:03.890 --> 0:22:05.990 campaigns going back sort of to the invention of the 0:22:05.990 --> 0:22:12.500 internet under Malcolm Turnbull. Um, you know, obviously Senator Lambie 0:22:12.500 --> 0:22:15.619 got a little bit upset about it. But, you know, 0:22:15.619 --> 0:22:18.139 you know, she did tell the perimeters, stick the stadium 0:22:18.140 --> 0:22:21.050 up his bum. That was okay. You know, it's an 0:22:21.050 --> 0:22:21.859 election campaign. 0:22:21.859 --> 0:22:24.140 Don't you tell people that you shouldn't bring attention to 0:22:24.140 --> 0:22:25.909 your political opponents. I thought that was one of your 0:22:25.910 --> 0:22:26.690 fundamental rules. 0:22:26.690 --> 0:22:28.939 Why did the, uh, Lambie's poll there, David, in your 0:22:28.940 --> 0:22:30.679 little thing there across the state? Well, it. 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.619 Depends on are you think you knocked them down a 0:22:33.619 --> 0:22:34.550 peg or two? Well, what. 0:22:34.550 --> 0:22:35.090 Was the state. 0:22:35.210 --> 0:22:36.260 .76? 0:22:36.380 --> 0:22:38.929 What was what was the polling state of the campaign 0:22:38.930 --> 0:22:39.590 for lamps. 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.500 So you don't think they hands on which, which polls. 0:22:42.500 --> 0:22:44.900 But I think any poll had them as low as 6.7%. 0:22:44.930 --> 0:22:48.830 No. It had them in double figures if I remember rightly. Okay. Yeah. Okay. 0:22:48.859 --> 0:22:52.550 Tick that. Another tick. Sam, what about any regrets from 0:22:52.550 --> 0:22:53.959 the campaign? Brad. Anything at. 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:55.700 All? I would like to win a few more seats, 0:22:55.700 --> 0:22:57.230 but at the end of the day, as I said 0:22:57.230 --> 0:22:59.720 at the start, um, as long as you get enough 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.120 to form a government, then you've done your job. 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:04.970 I think there's an aviation saying any crash, any landing 0:23:04.970 --> 0:23:06.740 you walk away from is a good one. You know, 0:23:06.740 --> 0:23:10.040 like that was a crash landing. That was, you know, 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:14.659 and asterisk Parliament hasn't resumed. We saw what the minority. 0:23:14.660 --> 0:23:18.500 What hey, the liberals went in minority over the last 0:23:18.500 --> 0:23:24.139 12 months, and it wasn't pretty. Um, your potential coalition 0:23:24.140 --> 0:23:29.810 partners are very unknown. Um, you know, this this could 0:23:29.810 --> 0:23:33.980 not this could not go well. Well, this might be one. 0:23:33.980 --> 0:23:37.490 This might be a poisoned chalice. Well, that's that's such. 0:23:37.490 --> 0:23:40.670 That's a enthusiasm. That's a different argument. But, you know, 0:23:40.670 --> 0:23:42.620 I've been listening to the forecast for the last five 0:23:42.619 --> 0:23:44.510 weeks with you guys telling us how Crépel going to go, 0:23:44.510 --> 0:23:45.650 and we're going to lose. 0:23:45.650 --> 0:23:47.810 Hang on a minute. I had you on 16. Oh 0:23:47.810 --> 0:23:50.240 you did. That's seats at the end, Dave. And change to. 0:23:50.510 --> 0:23:52.609 Dave is going to change around on that last poll 0:23:52.609 --> 0:23:54.139 that was now out of date which. 0:23:54.380 --> 0:23:56.090 And which I suspect was. 0:23:56.090 --> 0:23:58.790 But I'll return to my central particularly accurate, you know, 0:23:59.060 --> 0:24:01.580 in election campaigns you either win or you lose. Um, 0:24:01.580 --> 0:24:05.150 and I always prefer to be on the winning side 0:24:05.150 --> 0:24:07.550 of election campaigns. And I think fairness, if you ask 0:24:07.550 --> 0:24:10.879 anyone in the Labor Party whether they'd rather be, uh, on, 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:12.770 on this side or the other side, I think know 0:24:12.770 --> 0:24:13.430 their answer. 0:24:13.850 --> 0:24:17.180 Have you lumbered yourself with way too many promises now? 0:24:17.180 --> 0:24:19.550 Like there's a long list of things you promised, both 0:24:19.550 --> 0:24:21.560 in terms of things you're going to build, things you're 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.500 going to do, like the Utas promise. Have you given 0:24:24.500 --> 0:24:29.899 yourself an unem an impossible list of things to now achieve? 0:24:29.900 --> 0:24:33.199 Well, no. What I think, and this is how the 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.410 government is different to the previous one. The government now 0:24:36.410 --> 0:24:38.690 has a clear agenda for the next four years, which 0:24:38.690 --> 0:24:41.720 it didn't have before. And we might recall when Peter 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:45.110 Gowan called a snap election in 21, he really didn't 0:24:45.109 --> 0:24:47.810 have any sort of agenda, just sort of campaigned on. 0:24:47.810 --> 0:24:50.660 I saved you all from Covid. Then Jeremy came in 0:24:50.660 --> 0:24:53.780 and picked up whatever Peter didn't have, and there was 0:24:53.780 --> 0:24:56.030 no clear plan or agenda. So there's now a very 0:24:56.030 --> 0:24:57.590 different you know, you're going to be seeing a lot 0:24:57.590 --> 0:25:00.199 more of this 2030 strong plan over the next few years. 0:25:01.730 --> 0:25:04.880 Are we lucky? So let's let's just do a bit 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.000 of things in it. Yeah. Let's do let's just do 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:09.800 a little bit of round the grounds, a little bit 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.710 of winners and losers. Shall we just go through some. 0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:13.850 Any more questions? 0:25:13.850 --> 0:25:16.550 I just one more for Brad. All right. Because this 0:25:16.550 --> 0:25:20.090 is from a keen listener. You're obviously in today a friend. 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.340 You're obviously in today. And I'm very pleased you are 0:25:22.340 --> 0:25:24.560 because it would be a very boring show without you. 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.840 But you're going to you're going to have a role 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.600 in helping them nut out how to make the crossbench 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:30.740 work over the next few weeks. 0:25:30.740 --> 0:25:35.540 No. My contract, our contract once contract ended on election 0:25:35.540 --> 0:25:39.440 night or yesterday. And, um, I'm just a humble member 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:40.400 of the Liberal Party now. 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.379 Well, I think your comments on the stadium might suggest that, 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.140 you know, they were quite refreshing, but, um, but you're 0:25:46.140 --> 0:25:48.270 obviously you can pick up the phone if they need you, 0:25:48.270 --> 0:25:49.560 I guess. Oh, well. 0:25:50.130 --> 0:25:53.910 Always I'm always here for, you know, want to seek 0:25:53.910 --> 0:25:55.140 my views? 0:25:55.140 --> 0:25:56.340 Seek your counsel. 0:25:56.430 --> 0:25:57.989 It doesn't mean they'll take notice of it, though, as 0:25:57.990 --> 0:25:59.580 I think we've seen over the last few years. 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.630 All right, let's just do let's just do a quick 0:26:03.630 --> 0:26:05.909 round the grounds, talk a few about a few of 0:26:05.910 --> 0:26:08.550 the winners and the losers just out of it. Uh, 0:26:08.550 --> 0:26:11.879 I couldn't, uh, not let you have your opportunity to 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:16.200 have a chat about Turkey's bread. What's your view? Oh, well. 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.500 It's not much more to say, really, other than I'm 0:26:19.890 --> 0:26:24.600 a completely unsurprised. And I didn't have them even getting 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:27.180 close to elected in my pre-election predictions. 0:26:27.180 --> 0:26:30.240 Well, it was a mixed result. John Tucker on the 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:34.080 count so far, half his primary vote from the previous election, 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.629 Lara Alexander has actually tripled her. 0:26:36.630 --> 0:26:37.710 So she got six votes. 0:26:37.710 --> 0:26:38.040 Yeah. 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:39.960 I mean it's a low base. 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.140 No, no, I, um, you know, just by way of observation, the. 0:26:43.140 --> 0:26:44.700 Yeah. Like so less like in statistic. 0:26:44.700 --> 0:26:49.140 The data throws up some interesting, interesting results. But, uh, 0:26:49.260 --> 0:26:54.179 they both put their name up 1447 as of today 0:26:54.180 --> 0:26:57.210 and both put their name up for, uh, for judgment 0:26:57.210 --> 0:26:59.189 from the people, Brad, which neither you or I have 0:26:59.190 --> 0:27:01.050 ever done. So I think they deserve some credit there. 0:27:01.260 --> 0:27:04.170 Again. Um, I'm sorry, I do not in any way, 0:27:04.170 --> 0:27:06.750 shape or form ascribe to disloyalty. 0:27:06.750 --> 0:27:08.430 I'm just trying to give you a life raft here. 0:27:08.730 --> 0:27:10.050 No you're not. Look, I saw. 0:27:10.050 --> 0:27:13.290 Mr. Tucker on election night, and, um, you know, we 0:27:13.290 --> 0:27:17.070 had a pleasant conversation. Um, and away from politics, I've 0:27:17.070 --> 0:27:20.310 got no problem with him in the political field, you know? Um. 0:27:21.970 --> 0:27:25.420 No. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm not saying what they 0:27:25.420 --> 0:27:29.290 did was right. I think, um, they caused the state 0:27:29.290 --> 0:27:34.090 an unnecessary amount of turmoil. And I think they could 0:27:34.090 --> 0:27:37.420 have actually made a virtue out of their principled position 0:27:37.420 --> 0:27:39.460 by staying in the tent and making some noise and 0:27:39.460 --> 0:27:43.690 being seen as a agitators for change. Um, and I 0:27:43.690 --> 0:27:46.270 got it wrong on John Tucker. I thought that he would, um, 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.929 do well because of the name recognition and because of 0:27:49.930 --> 0:27:53.020 that primary vote last time. And I got that one wrong, 0:27:53.020 --> 0:27:56.230 one of many that I got wrong. Ah, well, you know, 0:27:56.230 --> 0:27:57.100 it was brave. 0:27:58.150 --> 0:27:59.980 At least in electing Lohberger. 0:27:59.980 --> 0:28:03.610 Yeah, well that's right. Exactly right. I think that was 0:28:03.609 --> 0:28:07.240 my classic file. But look, uh, well, we were both 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:08.710 wrong on Saheki two. We were. 0:28:08.710 --> 0:28:11.050 And, um, I'm big enough to admit that I thought 0:28:11.050 --> 0:28:13.000 she would get back, too, so I was surprised. Thank you. 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.730 Yeah. So her vote halved. Do we have any understanding 0:28:15.730 --> 0:28:18.340 as why that might occurred? What's the sense? 0:28:18.340 --> 0:28:23.140 Well, I think the simple sense was, um, that last 0:28:23.140 --> 0:28:24.969 time she got a lot of liberal ex-liberal votes in 0:28:24.970 --> 0:28:29.109 Sandy Bay. And once she became the deputy mayor of Glenorchy, 0:28:29.109 --> 0:28:32.680 those votes evaporated. Okay. And I might point out, at 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:36.219 the risk of again copping a a tongue lashing, that, uh, 0:28:36.220 --> 0:28:38.530 Miss Hickey was for the utas move. 0:28:39.250 --> 0:28:41.740 And there was more competition, too. Yeah, that's a good point. 0:28:41.740 --> 0:28:43.750 But there was, you know, Ben Leuenberger didn't get elected, 0:28:43.750 --> 0:28:45.550 but he got a nice little chunk of votes. Yep. 0:28:45.550 --> 0:28:49.150 There was a lot more competition in the Sue Hickey 0:28:49.150 --> 0:28:52.210 sort of pool of independents, you know, integrity, that sort 0:28:52.210 --> 0:28:55.870 of thing. So okay. So Dean young we've lost Dean 0:28:55.870 --> 0:28:56.710 I think we finished. 0:28:56.710 --> 0:28:58.090 And Clark, anything else you want to talk about in 0:28:58.090 --> 0:28:58.810 Clark since we're there? 0:28:58.810 --> 0:29:01.030 Well the Greens won two and I didn't expect that. 0:29:01.030 --> 0:29:01.420 No. 0:29:01.420 --> 0:29:04.690 Agreed. Yeah that's a that's a big effort. Uh, even 0:29:04.690 --> 0:29:07.780 with the seven seat electorate, to win two is a 0:29:07.780 --> 0:29:10.300 big effort. And that's testament I think. You know the 0:29:10.300 --> 0:29:12.880 Greens lost Cassy O'Connor and you thought oh this might 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.220 stall them. But certainly we thought it might make them 0:29:15.220 --> 0:29:17.740 less effective in Parliament. Well credit where it's due I 0:29:17.740 --> 0:29:21.760 think actually going from a leader to a real team 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.760 of uh Rosalie and vicar and they do things together 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.030 and they, they tag team in on different issues. I 0:29:28.030 --> 0:29:30.760 think that's worked well. And Howe and Helen Burnett will 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.760 make a good member of Parliament. She's solid. She's been 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.220 around many years. Knows the city inside out. Yeah. 0:29:36.550 --> 0:29:39.040 Look I mean the Greens I think actually ran a 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:43.360 very smart campaign that they, you know, they they worked 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:45.550 very hard to mainstream themselves in inverted commas. I even 0:29:45.550 --> 0:29:49.540 saw a, a a claim which put all my claims 0:29:49.540 --> 0:29:51.670 to shame when they told Sean Ford at The Advocate 0:29:51.670 --> 0:29:55.240 that they were pro-mining, uh, but they were very, very 0:29:55.420 --> 0:29:58.959 focused on that. And apart from Bob Brown organizing one protest, 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:00.400 which I'm sure that he was going to do, whether 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.890 or not they liked it, um, they did a very 0:30:02.890 --> 0:30:05.050 good job at sort of mainstreaming themselves. 0:30:05.050 --> 0:30:09.160 Now, did my, uh, story that had the TCC encouraging 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.100 people to vote green, Liberal or Labor. Did that make 0:30:12.100 --> 0:30:14.320 it to the level 11? And you got any comments 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:14.740 on that? 0:30:14.740 --> 0:30:18.490 Say it raised as many eyebrows in level 11, but 0:30:18.490 --> 0:30:21.310 in the, uh, campaign HQ as it apparently did here 0:30:21.310 --> 0:30:24.010 in the last font Cat podcast. Yes, um, certainly. 0:30:24.010 --> 0:30:24.850 Did in this office. 0:30:24.850 --> 0:30:27.190 That's quite, um, can you believe. 0:30:27.190 --> 0:30:29.530 On the last day or second last day of a campaign, 0:30:29.530 --> 0:30:33.220 the chief business lobby would do anything but campaign for 0:30:33.220 --> 0:30:35.920 minority government or as a business? Sorry, minority government? 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:37.960 Well, as a businessman, no. 0:30:38.620 --> 0:30:39.730 I found it surprising. 0:30:39.730 --> 0:30:41.020 Oh, I found it extraordinary. 0:30:41.290 --> 0:30:44.200 So I found it refreshing, but I found it surprising. 0:30:44.770 --> 0:30:47.710 Yeah. I don't think, um, many businesses would have found 0:30:47.710 --> 0:30:48.640 it refreshing. 0:30:49.330 --> 0:30:52.900 Well, I'm not a small business owner, obviously. Well, my 0:30:52.900 --> 0:30:56.170 golf videos don't make me any money. So to round 0:30:56.170 --> 0:30:59.470 out Clark. So Ella had topped the poll for labor 0:30:59.470 --> 0:31:01.960 fine effort. I've got to say beat Josh Willey. I 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.060 was a bit surprised by that, but glad to see 0:31:04.060 --> 0:31:06.910 it for Ella's sake. And in terms of the liberals, 0:31:06.910 --> 0:31:10.030 some Iraqis did very well. Madeleine, I think, got a 0:31:10.030 --> 0:31:12.640 bit of a scare from Marcus Verm, but I think 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.670 I've been sort of predicting that one, that Marcus is 0:31:15.670 --> 0:31:18.730 well known in the community and did really well for himself. 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.070 How close is that going to be, do you think? Ah, look, 0:31:21.070 --> 0:31:23.800 it's going to be reasonably close. Marcus worked his tail 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.510 off throughout the campaign and Madeleine. 0:31:25.690 --> 0:31:27.850 And David go through spreadsheets, but I think Madeleine will 0:31:27.850 --> 0:31:28.900 be pretty safely home. 0:31:28.900 --> 0:31:32.620 Yeah, yeah. Um, I'll tell you a bet I made 0:31:32.620 --> 0:31:34.930 on the 15th of February that you'll laugh at because 0:31:34.930 --> 0:31:38.380 Julie and Amos put out the former labor MP, put 0:31:38.380 --> 0:31:42.460 out a newsletter suggesting that he thought that Stuart Benson 0:31:42.460 --> 0:31:46.870 might gazump El-haddad and become the second labor member in Clark. 0:31:46.870 --> 0:31:48.940 And I sent him a little text at 11:12 a.m. 0:31:48.940 --> 0:31:53.110 that said, if El-haddad doesn't get elected, I'll eat my car. 0:31:53.410 --> 0:31:56.170 So anyway, I don't have to have it. I don't 0:31:56.170 --> 0:31:58.930 have to have a Skoda for dinner tonight. You are a. 0:31:58.930 --> 0:32:01.720 Known fan of Stuart Benson's, so you know. 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:05.740 Well, I was she got a substantially bigger vote than 0:32:05.740 --> 0:32:08.229 Stuart Benson. Look, I'm not going to bag anyone who 0:32:08.230 --> 0:32:10.750 put their name up. I thought, Ella, go on. You 0:32:10.750 --> 0:32:14.920 did very well. Elliott is underestimated. She is by because 0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:17.530 she is a perfect labor candidate for her electorate in 0:32:17.530 --> 0:32:22.150 a different electorate. Maybe not, but in Clark, she knows it. She's. Progressive. 0:32:22.150 --> 0:32:26.500 She's not boisterous, she works hard and I think was proven, 0:32:26.500 --> 0:32:28.150 but I would have guessed Josh Willie would have got 0:32:28.150 --> 0:32:30.400 more votes as well. And he did. And so that's 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.830 a big win to L.A., even though the vote wasn't, 0:32:33.190 --> 0:32:36.010 you know, in the stratosphere are still pretty solid. I 0:32:36.010 --> 0:32:38.800 think L.A. should reflect on what that means for her 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.590 and what it. Ellen barletta well, well, I'm just saying. Well, 0:32:41.590 --> 0:32:43.540 here we go. Well, I'm just saying, when she walks 0:32:43.540 --> 0:32:47.320 into the room, L.A. is, uh, fairly meek in terms 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.530 of as a politician. She's not that kind of person 0:32:50.530 --> 0:32:54.340 that's aggressive and puts forward, um, a huge amount of 0:32:54.340 --> 0:32:56.920 sort of political ambition. She just wants to get on 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:58.870 and do things. But with that kind of vote really 0:32:58.870 --> 0:33:02.380 shows that she's got, I think, real potential politically astute. 0:33:02.380 --> 0:33:04.930 I agree. That's exactly right. So all right. 0:33:05.020 --> 0:33:05.740 Let's just keep it moving. 0:33:05.740 --> 0:33:09.130 Franklin. Yeah. So Franklin, what do we make of Franklin? 0:33:09.130 --> 0:33:13.750 David O'Byrne did very well. I thought Dean Winter, I think. 0:33:13.750 --> 0:33:15.250 Franklin went according to the script. Yes. 0:33:15.250 --> 0:33:18.040 Didn't it. Yeah. Yeah, I think it did. I mean, 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:19.750 the greens got a little bit close to two, but 0:33:19.750 --> 0:33:21.640 that sort of settled down. Yeah. I think that was 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.910 probably the easiest to predict. Yeah. David O'byrne's vote was 0:33:24.910 --> 0:33:28.360 pretty solid. Well, um, my reckoning he was he got 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.150 the strongest vote of any independent in Tasmania at the, 0:33:31.180 --> 0:33:33.490 at the polls. He got more than Kristy Johnston, didn't he? 0:33:33.490 --> 0:33:35.860 So did he did. So so what I'm getting at 0:33:35.860 --> 0:33:38.530 is hard work pays off for David. Um, and I 0:33:38.530 --> 0:33:41.920 think that's been well recognized in the electorate. Um, and 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.230 it does highlight that when you're an independent, just how 0:33:44.230 --> 0:33:46.660 hard it is to mobilize enough votes to get elected, 0:33:46.660 --> 0:33:49.270 because look at Dave's profile, look at what he's done, 0:33:49.270 --> 0:33:51.400 and there he is. So that was great. And I 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:55.900 think we'll see Meg Brown in Parliament. Yes. Yeah Toby 0:33:55.900 --> 0:33:59.740 Thorpe's a chance. Um, because he, he did share that um, uh, 0:33:59.740 --> 0:34:02.740 sign with Dean. So maybe some people will preference him. 0:34:02.740 --> 0:34:05.950 But Meg Brown, uh, got elected and I think, um, 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.920 that might be because they had a lot of men 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.279 in Franklin. Meg Brown gave people an option that wasn't 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.580 a white man. And, um, yeah, I think she worked 0:34:15.580 --> 0:34:18.400 very hard, obviously backed by the unions. Well, and, and 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:20.650 I interviewed I'm not interviewed her, but I met her 0:34:20.650 --> 0:34:22.240 for the first time last week. I think she's got 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:24.580 a lot to bring to the Parliament, so that'll be good. Yeah. 0:34:24.580 --> 0:34:25.000 I assume. 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:25.719 Your letter to Carol. 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:29.140 Beach. I'm pretty somewhere along the lines. Yeah, I think so. Uh, 0:34:29.140 --> 0:34:31.090 it's I think, and I've got to give Brad the 0:34:31.090 --> 0:34:34.150 points on Eric Abetz because even with Jacquie Petrusma in 0:34:34.150 --> 0:34:36.640 the race, he got a big vote, bigger primary vote 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.230 than I thought. So I'll give Brad the nod on 0:34:38.260 --> 0:34:40.120 that one. He might have got 10,000 if it wasn't 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.490 for voting without her, but it wasn't for Jacquie Petrusma 0:34:42.489 --> 0:34:44.500 and Nick Street, who you know, I'm a fan of, 0:34:44.500 --> 0:34:46.630 and I gave him my votes in the player of 0:34:46.630 --> 0:34:47.350 the year award. 0:34:47.350 --> 0:34:49.090 Are you going to say give him your votes on Saturday? 0:34:49.090 --> 0:34:52.840 Yeah. No, I'm not saying who I voted for on Saturday. Uh, 0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:54.460 that'll go with Nick. 0:34:54.460 --> 0:34:55.780 Got one of the seven, surely. 0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:00.460 Well, you may well say that anyway, um, I, I 0:35:00.610 --> 0:35:03.250 I'll tell you. I'll say this. I certainly sprayed my 0:35:03.250 --> 0:35:07.690 vote around on Saturday. I went for people and not parties. Correct. Anyway, 0:35:07.690 --> 0:35:11.259 I'm surprised he didn't get a bigger vote. Um, and 0:35:11.260 --> 0:35:13.360 I guess that's because he's pretty low profile. And those 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:15.700 of us who know him and work with him, uh, 0:35:15.700 --> 0:35:18.520 see his huge value. But and I guess a lot 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.730 of more conservative liberal voters in that part of the world. 0:35:21.730 --> 0:35:23.500 But anyway, I hope he gets reelected. It'd be a 0:35:23.500 --> 0:35:25.600 real shame if he didn't. I'm sure he's fine. I mean, 0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:27.730 they got 2.6. They'll get three seats. 0:35:27.820 --> 0:35:29.350 Unfortunately, Dean's going to miss out. 0:35:29.350 --> 0:35:31.690 Yeah, it looks like Dean Young's gone, which is a 0:35:31.690 --> 0:35:33.729 real shame. I had a lot of time for Dean, 0:35:33.730 --> 0:35:35.560 as you know. And I hope we see him somewhere 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:36.790 doing something in the future. 0:35:36.820 --> 0:35:38.620 Certainly a hare-clark resignation. 0:35:38.830 --> 0:35:41.320 Yeah. That's it. Very true. All right. Very good result 0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.439 for the Greens in Franklin. Yeah. Rosalie Woodruff got a 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.230 quota for the first time. Yeah. Um, and you can 0:35:47.230 --> 0:35:50.980 see in those numbers the effect of a very good 0:35:50.980 --> 0:35:54.670 election strategy of nominating a lead candidate repeats itself right 0:35:54.670 --> 0:35:57.460 across the electorates where they've done well. You have a 0:35:57.460 --> 0:36:01.450 lead candidate who's done very, very well and a bunch 0:36:01.450 --> 0:36:04.600 of other people who harvested some votes. But that lead 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.790 candidate here, I think, is going to catch on among 0:36:06.790 --> 0:36:10.480 the the miners. I think the Jacqui Lambie Network will 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:14.650 learn that one for next time. Yeah. Um interesting. Also 0:36:14.650 --> 0:36:19.150 down the ticket, the local network result. I think Martine 0:36:19.150 --> 0:36:24.729 Delaney was actually you probably need to ask them. Um, 0:36:24.730 --> 0:36:30.459 Martine Delaney ran a very energetic campaign that I don't 0:36:30.460 --> 0:36:36.130 think would be a 497 votes was not possibly the 0:36:36.130 --> 0:36:40.779 desired result the local network has. Possibly already peaked, but 0:36:40.780 --> 0:36:42.310 we'll see. You know, they might be around for a while. 0:36:42.310 --> 0:36:43.450 It's a long term set. 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:44.080 Leanne mentioned. 0:36:44.140 --> 0:36:47.620 She still. I'm not sure if who's behind it. Certainly 0:36:47.620 --> 0:36:50.830 it's not a party. I just took a glance across. 0:36:50.830 --> 0:36:53.890 I think you're either a party or you're independents. And 0:36:54.070 --> 0:36:55.719 I mean, that may be tested with the way the 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.770 Jacqui Lambie candidates, um, perform. It's a very crowded. There 0:36:59.770 --> 0:37:01.630 were lots of independents, a crowded field. It's hard to 0:37:01.630 --> 0:37:03.190 make yourself stand. Well, there was a there was a 0:37:03.190 --> 0:37:05.950 great Koudelka cartoon going back quite a few months ago, 0:37:05.950 --> 0:37:08.080 you know. Are you an independent? Independent? Or are you 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.330 a former liberal independent? Well, we are I. 0:37:10.330 --> 0:37:12.219 Mean, I know we've got time pressure syndicate moving, but 0:37:12.219 --> 0:37:14.260 I mean, I think the one of the biggest take 0:37:14.260 --> 0:37:17.260 outs in the election, apart from the result obviously, was 0:37:17.260 --> 0:37:21.730 that the independents did not an independent independents did not 0:37:21.730 --> 0:37:24.310 achieve the results expected to to up. And everyone was 0:37:24.310 --> 0:37:25.540 thinking there might be 4 or 5. 0:37:25.540 --> 0:37:27.520 You know, I think a lot of people went for 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.859 the Greens because like you said, they had a pretty 0:37:29.860 --> 0:37:33.759 clear campaign and even, you know, even having a policy 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.440 like the one they had on footy, you know, at 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.320 least that's clear. Yeah. You know, rather than sitting on 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:40.420 the fence. So and you knew where they stood. Let's 0:37:40.420 --> 0:37:43.150 just quickly round out the grounds here. So let's go 0:37:43.150 --> 0:37:47.050 to bass. And I got bass badly wrong. Yeah. Did you. 0:37:47.050 --> 0:37:49.690 Okay I had the libs getting four and their vote 0:37:49.690 --> 0:37:57.040 went backwards big time. It did 2,022% or 21 point something. 0:37:57.190 --> 0:38:00.040 Uh no gut won. Yeah. No gut won. Hurt them 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.609 big time. Rob Fares I think last time people from 0:38:03.610 --> 0:38:07.029 all sides of politics must have voted for Peter Gutwein. Well, 0:38:07.060 --> 0:38:09.400 because of his performance on Covid. I think you're right. 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:12.580 I think Gutwein had huge support with him. And without 0:38:12.580 --> 0:38:16.299 that and with the stadium issue, they mentioned it again. Um, 0:38:16.300 --> 0:38:19.330 I think they were working against them in, in um, 0:38:19.330 --> 0:38:29.260 bass 20 2014, 57% of the vote, 20 1858, 20 2159, 20, 2438. Yeah, 0:38:29.410 --> 0:38:32.379 that's a big drop off. Did I mention the stadium? Yeah. 0:38:32.380 --> 0:38:36.550 So you think that what about Michael Ferguson popularity Brad 0:38:36.550 --> 0:38:39.940 I mean he his vote. Yeah. He'd tell you pretty solid. Yeah. 0:38:39.940 --> 0:38:42.009 But not as much as he used to get. He 0:38:42.010 --> 0:38:42.759 used to get a. 0:38:42.850 --> 0:38:43.480 Not so sure about. 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.969 That 2014. He got a whopping big vote I think. 0:38:46.300 --> 0:38:49.000 I think Michael's always been a strong vote getter and 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.240 consistently strong. But he, um, he has never been sort 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:53.770 of in Peter Gutwein. Stratosphere. 0:38:53.770 --> 0:38:55.839 Oh he was he beat Peter Gutwein won election. Yeah. 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.330 But not when Peter Gutwein got. Yeah. Not 25. 0:38:58.330 --> 0:39:00.790 No okay. What I, what I was interested to see 0:39:00.790 --> 0:39:04.180 was Michelle O'Byrne polls. So. Well I've got to say 0:39:04.300 --> 0:39:07.720 she beat Janey uh, on primary votes, which I was 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.870 surprised by. Yeah. I thought Janey would, just because of 0:39:10.870 --> 0:39:14.230 the way she's been more present. And, you know, Michelle 0:39:14.230 --> 0:39:17.140 was dealt a pretty tough hand in the last term. 0:39:17.140 --> 0:39:19.600 Isn't it interesting? Ella wins the vote down here in 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:23.110 the South. Michelle wins it in bass. Sort of saying 0:39:23.110 --> 0:39:26.560 something about where the labor votes sitting. Right. Yeah. Yeah. 0:39:27.010 --> 0:39:30.700 Well I mean she was sidelined in the campaign. Obviously 0:39:30.700 --> 0:39:34.300 the situation with David O'Byrne made the last term really 0:39:34.300 --> 0:39:37.450 tricky for her. I mean, you know, torn between family 0:39:37.450 --> 0:39:39.640 and a party as it must be a tough position. 0:39:39.910 --> 0:39:42.460 And then to lose her dear mum. Yeah. Um, and 0:39:42.460 --> 0:39:44.529 then get a vote like that. I think she deserves 0:39:44.530 --> 0:39:46.060 all the respect in the world. Well. 0:39:46.330 --> 0:39:49.839 And, David, I know you've got your spreadsheet. There is. 0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:54.100 Is your favorite candidate Doctor Slaton going to get well? 0:39:54.730 --> 0:39:56.680 And Kevin Bonham's favorite candidate. 0:39:56.950 --> 0:39:59.319 Kevin Bonham, was on a personal crusade on that one, 0:39:59.320 --> 0:39:59.739 wasn't he? 0:39:59.739 --> 0:40:02.890 On the count at the moment, Simon Wood is slightly 0:40:02.890 --> 0:40:07.419 ahead on the printout that I've got here. 1809 primary votes. Uh, 0:40:07.420 --> 0:40:09.940 Doctor Slaton 1648. 0:40:09.940 --> 0:40:12.670 So you would think would would be favored as income. 0:40:12.670 --> 0:40:15.280 But but think so. She's all that free publicity she 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:16.510 got from the media has certainly helped. 0:40:16.510 --> 0:40:19.660 Her out in that to be very confident in any way. 0:40:19.660 --> 0:40:22.180 And I was right about the Greens. They got elected 0:40:22.180 --> 0:40:25.480 pretty comfortably there. So there was a tick. My my 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.640 call on the Greens was better than my call and 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:31.060 some other things. But um, and a couple of independents 0:40:31.060 --> 0:40:33.760 got a nice little chunk of votes in bass. 0:40:33.850 --> 0:40:35.109 Not Miss Alexander though. 0:40:35.140 --> 0:40:37.930 Not Miss Alexander. No, I got more than a thousand. 0:40:37.930 --> 0:40:42.790 Tubby summer. Greg. Tubby. Somewhat, uh, local artist. I'm going 0:40:42.790 --> 0:40:47.200 to track him down because he got Greg Tubby Quinn 1528. 0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.709 That is not bad. Quite good. Yeah, yeah. So someone should, uh. 0:40:50.710 --> 0:40:52.720 I'm going to go and do an interview with Greg 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.600 Tubby Quinn, because that's more than just a oh, well, 0:40:55.600 --> 0:41:00.250 random amount for independent because he's got such a likeable name. 0:41:00.250 --> 0:41:02.620 You know, Greg know he must know a lot of people. 0:41:02.620 --> 0:41:04.870 I think that's that's an awesome result. So there's a 0:41:04.870 --> 0:41:06.969 lot I reckon the bloke who puts tattoos on folk 0:41:06.969 --> 0:41:10.780 in Launceston probably does know. You know. That's a good point. Oh. 0:41:10.900 --> 0:41:13.180 All right, uh, let's get up to Brad. And what 0:41:13.180 --> 0:41:14.620 do we think of the result? And Brad. And it 0:41:14.620 --> 0:41:17.080 was quite a strong result for the Premier. I mean, 0:41:17.260 --> 0:41:17.770 I think. 0:41:17.770 --> 0:41:20.710 Broadly again the Braddon result went according to the book 0:41:20.860 --> 0:41:23.110 and it will be four four, two one, which I 0:41:23.110 --> 0:41:27.730 think pretty much everyone wrote before the campaign. Uh, on 0:41:27.730 --> 0:41:28.630 day one, I think. 0:41:28.630 --> 0:41:31.270 And who do we think the one is? Is that Garland? 0:41:31.300 --> 0:41:33.940 No no no. Be lambie it'll be be four. So 0:41:33.940 --> 0:41:36.879 the new liberal be Giovanni Giovanna Simpson. Yeah. 0:41:37.180 --> 0:41:38.680 I got that one right, Deputy Mayor. 0:41:38.910 --> 0:41:40.890 I think. Yes you did. And the. And then it'll 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:42.720 be one of the one of the labs. Not sure 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:43.560 which one. Okay. 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.680 Deprived myself seven out of seven by saying Craig cuts 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.080 would be the Lambie. Yeah. Because do you know what 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:52.439 cuts was my house at primary school whereas the Vale 0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.330 primary schools. I thought, well that's a great north west 0:41:54.330 --> 0:41:56.759 name but he's a hard he got he came third. 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.550 My man came third. All right. All right a couple 0:41:59.550 --> 0:42:03.540 of observations in Brad and for the Aficionado's Craig Garland 0:42:03.570 --> 0:42:08.220 Outpoll Roger Jentsch I think that'll be corrected on reference. 0:42:08.219 --> 0:42:12.270 Always be saying Roger needs a more flamboyant hairstyle. Is 0:42:12.270 --> 0:42:15.629 that what you imagine? That change comes back. Inge comes 0:42:15.630 --> 0:42:17.910 back to Parliament with hair down to his, you know, 0:42:18.060 --> 0:42:20.880 and you can really starkly see the payoff of that 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:25.530 green strategy there. They've again accounted on 2200 votes. Brad 0:42:25.530 --> 0:42:28.320 is not fertile fields for the Greens, but, um, you know, 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.440 and then the Lambie Network people all within 100 votes 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.710 of each other. So that Robson rotation effect. Yeah. People 0:42:34.710 --> 0:42:38.190 are going 123123123 don't have the Camberley. Right. Well yeah. 0:42:38.550 --> 0:42:41.580 Um and whereas the Greens are promoting one candidate I 0:42:41.580 --> 0:42:44.129 think that's a winning strategy. And I think you'll see 0:42:44.130 --> 0:42:48.060 that from the Garland. Should be very pleased with his time. Um, 0:42:48.060 --> 0:42:50.490 that's pretty that's a lot of, um, people to put 0:42:50.489 --> 0:42:52.560 number one in the box next to him. He should um, 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.740 I know he hasn't got elected yet, but, um, compared 0:42:55.739 --> 0:42:57.150 to some of the other independents. 0:42:57.150 --> 0:42:59.009 No, he did well with less publicity. 0:42:59.010 --> 0:42:59.850 I think he did very well. 0:42:59.850 --> 0:43:02.610 He will. Well, he might get there one day. 0:43:02.730 --> 0:43:04.410 I think his highest vote was about 10% in a 0:43:04.410 --> 0:43:07.860 Senate election. One. Yeah. I thought well, in that by election. Yeah. Yeah. 0:43:08.010 --> 0:43:10.530 All right. So let's just quickly do lines and then 0:43:10.530 --> 0:43:12.689 we'll move on to a couple more things and round 0:43:12.690 --> 0:43:16.800 it out. So lines are Janey Hallet I think did 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:20.790 really well. She came second. Second most popular libs beat Schultz, 0:43:20.790 --> 0:43:23.250 which I think was interesting. I didn't I didn't think 0:43:23.250 --> 0:43:25.530 that was going to be the case. But guy top 0:43:25.530 --> 0:43:28.500 hollow for the liberals. Obviously Rebecca did very well for 0:43:28.500 --> 0:43:31.290 labor in terms of her vote. And we'll see a 0:43:31.290 --> 0:43:32.700 return of Chen as well. 0:43:32.700 --> 0:43:34.680 So I think lines again pretty much go in descriptor. 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:35.880 I don't know though I had. 0:43:35.910 --> 0:43:37.560 Tucker instead of Lambie once. 0:43:37.770 --> 0:43:38.520 According to. 0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:39.750 So I mean. 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.600 Do you know, um, this Tabitha Badger. She said yes. 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:43.230 I've met Tabitha. 0:43:43.469 --> 0:43:44.069 Likely sort. 0:43:44.070 --> 0:43:47.009 Yeah. She ran a great campaign. She did. She's um. 0:43:47.010 --> 0:43:51.120 And not your. Well, no one's your typical green, but she's, um, 0:43:51.300 --> 0:43:55.049 motor racing fan. Head of the Wilderness Society, wasn't she? Yeah. 0:43:55.050 --> 0:43:57.299 Motor racing fan. As a petrol. 0:43:57.630 --> 0:44:00.720 I don't. I'm not here to defend my ID. Just 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.839 saying electric cars. I'm just saying I can do it. 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:07.380 I talk to her on election night, and the Greens 0:44:07.380 --> 0:44:09.810 are very lucky to have. She was a very articulate 0:44:09.810 --> 0:44:12.540 good in the media. Um, she'll be hard to dislodge, 0:44:12.540 --> 0:44:15.839 especially if we stay at 35 seats. So. And I 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.020 warned her there will be some badger puns on the news. 0:44:19.020 --> 0:44:20.400 She's probably had them a whole lot. 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:25.080 Yeah, no, nothing she wouldn't have heard before. Um, shooters, farmers? Fishers, um, 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.739 not seen or heard much of during the campaign. Still 0:44:28.739 --> 0:44:30.900 get a few votes, don't they? Still get a few votes, 0:44:30.900 --> 0:44:35.009 but go from being the fourth force in Tasmanian politics 0:44:35.010 --> 0:44:38.339 to the fifth. Lambie has supplanted them. So that's that 0:44:38.340 --> 0:44:40.890 bold claim, which I had to check, um, that they 0:44:40.890 --> 0:44:44.250 were the fourth Force. Well, speaking as a publisher of 0:44:44.250 --> 0:44:46.320 a number of rural and regional papers, I've got to 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:50.250 say the Hunter shooters and Fishers were very prevalent with 0:44:50.250 --> 0:44:52.590 our papers in terms of putting forward policies and having 0:44:52.590 --> 0:44:54.719 conversations with our staff. I found it very. 0:44:54.930 --> 0:44:56.910 Dedicated fan base. They do. Yeah. 0:44:56.910 --> 0:44:59.700 Yeah. No, it's a solid constituency. Yeah. It is. You know, 0:44:59.700 --> 0:45:02.250 and they they do do well in some elections in 0:45:02.250 --> 0:45:04.739 some seats. All right. So there's a couple of couple 0:45:04.739 --> 0:45:07.319 of sort of issues. We just need to round up 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:11.549 before we call it a day. So obviously Rebecca White 0:45:11.670 --> 0:45:15.060 uh is currently considering her options moving forward. 0:45:15.060 --> 0:45:17.340 Well what are they, resign or resign? 0:45:17.340 --> 0:45:21.390 I think that's probably the case, but what's your take, AJ? 0:45:21.390 --> 0:45:24.930 What do you think? Oh, I think Rebecca White will resign. 0:45:24.930 --> 0:45:28.799 But I think the way labor handled it yesterday was 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.040 so unnecessary. Like, even if you wanted to do, you know, 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.919 the first bit and sort of say that okay we 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.100 lost uh, we're not going to try and scramble together 0:45:38.100 --> 0:45:40.950 a deal with the greens. That's fine. That's fine. I 0:45:40.950 --> 0:45:44.850 agree with Brad. You had to do that. There was 0:45:44.850 --> 0:45:48.810 agitating yesterday against Rebecca White that I just thought was unnecessary. Like, 0:45:48.810 --> 0:45:51.030 just let the dust settle. I thought yesterday the story 0:45:51.030 --> 0:45:53.670 was going to be how can Jeremy Rockliff form government. 0:45:53.670 --> 0:45:55.770 But again, labor found a way to make it about them. 0:45:55.770 --> 0:45:57.840 And I think, you know, you didn't have to wait 0:45:57.840 --> 0:45:59.939 until all the votes were counted. But wait a little 0:45:59.940 --> 0:46:02.100 while just for the dust to settle. And then but anyway, 0:46:02.100 --> 0:46:04.980 people are very impatient. But I think, yeah, she will 0:46:04.980 --> 0:46:08.280 resign and it will be a contest between Josh Willey 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:11.040 and Dean Winter. And then if it's a they can't 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.980 work out between themselves, it'll go to a, you know, 0:46:13.980 --> 0:46:17.400 a statewide rank and file battle. You know, like we 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:19.500 saw with Albanese and Shorten at the federal level. I 0:46:19.500 --> 0:46:20.010 think they'll do will. 0:46:20.190 --> 0:46:21.629 Do their best to avoid that, wouldn't they? 0:46:21.630 --> 0:46:24.060 I'd think they would. But I've had it put to 0:46:24.060 --> 0:46:25.800 me that that might be just what the Labor Party 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:28.320 needs a chance to actually reconnect with their voters and 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:30.540 find out why they have been. 0:46:30.540 --> 0:46:31.350 For the last time they did. 0:46:31.350 --> 0:46:33.600 That, stagnant for three elections in a row. 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:37.200 As elected, David O'Byrne and the parliamentary wing, uh, contrived 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:38.279 to knife him within two. 0:46:38.830 --> 0:46:40.840 Well, no they didn't. Oh, that's right, they did do it. 0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.330 That went against broad didn't it. Sorry. Sorry about that. 0:46:43.330 --> 0:46:46.210 And I'm just wondering, uh. That'll see. Josh. Will, I 0:46:46.210 --> 0:46:48.670 forgot they did it already. Yeah. That's right. That took 0:46:48.670 --> 0:46:51.070 three weeks. As I recall, there was a postal ballot, 0:46:51.070 --> 0:46:52.779 which is not not the way to run a ballot 0:46:52.780 --> 0:46:55.719 these days. I would be getting cracking. If there is 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.710 to be a change, the time is bad, doesn't it? Yeah. 0:46:59.890 --> 0:47:01.899 Parliament's going to be back soon. You want to have 0:47:01.900 --> 0:47:04.989 someone who's ready established they could gone. 0:47:04.989 --> 0:47:07.240 Through the in as is holding. That's right. 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:10.540 They did that now. Yeah it was changes but the 0:47:10.540 --> 0:47:12.339 clock's ticking. They're going to want to get on with 0:47:12.340 --> 0:47:14.080 that because there's a lot to be done. Well there's 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.120 got there's a lot of bloodletting that needs to occur 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:19.060 in labour that's for sure. And hopefully a new leadership 0:47:19.060 --> 0:47:21.370 will be a good thing. And hopefully it's Dean Winter 0:47:21.370 --> 0:47:23.650 for what it's worth. That's my $0.10 worth here. 0:47:23.650 --> 0:47:26.259 From David on on Labor and Miss White. 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:28.360 What? 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:29.920 Well, just wondering what you think. 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:32.710 Um, I think she's been a good leader. I think 0:47:32.710 --> 0:47:35.110 she's been let down by two things. I think the team, 0:47:35.110 --> 0:47:39.190 you know, there's been some key strategic decisions, um, that 0:47:39.190 --> 0:47:41.230 have been that have been fumbled along the way. And 0:47:41.230 --> 0:47:44.830 I think the, you know, the it's the team in 0:47:44.830 --> 0:47:48.040 all of the, um, in all of the surveys I've seen, 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:49.480 I don't know whether Alex will back me up here, 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:53.140 but she's performed strongly in the preferred leadership stakes. She 0:47:53.140 --> 0:47:56.320 she wins every debate. She performs well whenever she appears 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.770 in public. She's got great community connections. The puzzle, the 0:47:59.770 --> 0:48:03.700 great puzzle of Rebecca's leadership is why, um, you know, 0:48:03.700 --> 0:48:06.670 she's had three election losses in a row, and I 0:48:06.670 --> 0:48:08.950 put it down to the team and the. And the administration. 0:48:08.950 --> 0:48:13.000 I mean, really, um, the, uh, you know, we don't 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:15.310 see enough. There's some very talented people within the ranks 0:48:15.310 --> 0:48:18.250 of labor who we never see or hear from Ella Haddad, 0:48:18.250 --> 0:48:21.400 as you say. Um, you know, a really good politician, 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:25.989 really thoughtful, um, great labor values. Um, you know, Sarah 0:48:25.989 --> 0:48:29.410 Lovell established herself as a great spokesperson on health. Um, 0:48:29.410 --> 0:48:31.330 you know, haven't haven't seen much of her. So I 0:48:31.330 --> 0:48:34.090 just think the failings that labor have go a lot 0:48:34.090 --> 0:48:36.760 further than Rebecca White's leadership. I think she should be 0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:40.270 she should be proud of the work that she's done. But, 0:48:40.270 --> 0:48:43.780 you know, um, that's politics. Someone wins, someone loses, and 0:48:43.780 --> 0:48:48.200 that's that's hard. And, you know. And here we ain't. 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.150 Brad's about to tell you that a change of leaders 0:48:50.150 --> 0:48:52.640 go dramatically improved Labor's laverstock. 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:57.020 I mean, I couldn't disagree with you more, David. Um, 0:48:57.739 --> 0:49:00.469 it's always down to the leader. Um, he's been a 0:49:00.469 --> 0:49:05.420 great leader. That's taken them to three losses in a row. Um, sorry. 0:49:05.420 --> 0:49:07.700 The facts do not support that. She might be a 0:49:07.700 --> 0:49:11.390 nice person. She is a nice person. Um, but, um, 0:49:11.390 --> 0:49:14.390 there's there's a difference between being a nice person and 0:49:14.390 --> 0:49:16.820 winning elections. And that's what leaders of political parties are, 0:49:17.150 --> 0:49:18.950 I think. I can't argue with those. So, I mean, 0:49:18.950 --> 0:49:23.779 I think I think the reality is, um, if labor, 0:49:23.780 --> 0:49:26.840 they should never have brought it back. Um, when, uh, 0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.479 the knifing of of David occurred, they should have gone 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:33.080 to someone else. Um, it was a retrograde step, and 0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:36.650 they are now paying the price for that. They have wasted, 0:49:36.650 --> 0:49:40.580 wasted an election. Um, sadly, sadly for them. And happily 0:49:40.580 --> 0:49:44.030 for for my side of politics. Um, look, what will 0:49:44.030 --> 0:49:45.770 she do next? I don't know, but I did notice 0:49:45.770 --> 0:49:51.469 in in the, um, in the, uh, Sky news, um, debate, 0:49:51.469 --> 0:49:54.080 which seemed to have more greens inside the room than 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:57.440 outside the room protesting, for the record, um, that she 0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:01.430 was asked by, I think, Kieran whether she would rule out, uh, 0:50:01.430 --> 0:50:05.450 federal lines and pointedly, in my view, did not say no. 0:50:05.450 --> 0:50:07.790 Oh, no, I didn't know. She laughed that off. 0:50:07.790 --> 0:50:10.370 Yeah, yeah, that's different to saying no. Go back and 0:50:10.370 --> 0:50:12.710 check the transcript. I said I wouldn't rule that out. 0:50:12.710 --> 0:50:15.469 She also said in the debate that the little fat fella, um, 0:50:15.469 --> 0:50:18.529 compared that she would serve a full term. Um, I 0:50:18.530 --> 0:50:22.640 hope that I hope that the, the Labor Party and 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:24.980 there's already some worrying signs from this point of view, 0:50:24.980 --> 0:50:27.350 but I hope they don't blast her out because they 0:50:27.350 --> 0:50:29.960 need her. Like I agree with Brad, she has to 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:33.770 take some responsibility. She hasn't been as an effective leader 0:50:33.770 --> 0:50:37.130 as we thought that she would be. But before that, 0:50:37.130 --> 0:50:39.080 the reason that she was the only choice to replace 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:43.430 Brian Greene because she was an incredibly effective shadow health minister. 0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:49.370 So if they, um, disrespect her legacy and blast her out, 0:50:49.370 --> 0:50:51.920 I think they will miss her sorely if. 0:50:52.340 --> 0:50:53.180 She's lost three. 0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:59.060 Well, let's respect that. Well, because you can. Well, because 0:50:59.060 --> 0:51:01.310 you can be unkind to someone. 0:51:02.130 --> 0:51:03.180 Well, look, I think you've got. 0:51:03.450 --> 0:51:05.009 I think, but I think she'll end up in federal 0:51:05.010 --> 0:51:06.450 politics for all this time. 0:51:06.630 --> 0:51:09.240 All right, well, that'll all unfold in front of us 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:11.790 a little fold over the next couple of weeks in 0:51:11.790 --> 0:51:14.430 terms of what's going on. One other quick thing I see, 0:51:14.460 --> 0:51:19.860 Jenny Gail has retired. The timing of that. Can anyone 0:51:19.860 --> 0:51:23.160 shed any shed, any light on that interesting point? Have 0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:25.980 a good sign when someone retires at 4:00 in the afternoon. 0:51:25.980 --> 0:51:28.799 You know, when it's announced at 4:00, especially the weekend 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.160 after an election has been won and run. So yeah. 0:51:32.250 --> 0:51:34.440 Very interesting. Brad, you got any insights? 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:39.000 Just a mere private citizen as of 9 a.m. this morning. Batshit. 0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:42.210 What will that mean for some of the inquiries that 0:51:42.210 --> 0:51:46.740 she's been asked to give evidence to? We still able 0:51:46.739 --> 0:51:50.190 to hear from former public servants? 0:51:50.370 --> 0:51:53.549 I don't Parliament has has has strong powers. I stand 0:51:53.550 --> 0:51:54.210 to be corrected. 0:51:54.210 --> 0:51:57.060 I don't think state Parliament has the power to compel 0:51:57.060 --> 0:52:00.720 a person who is not. They can bloody well they 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:03.480 can compel, but whether they will, whether they. Well, if 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:06.810 you just state or overseas. Well it's the it's the 0:52:06.810 --> 0:52:08.969 one power the parliament hats they can compel you to 0:52:08.969 --> 0:52:12.090 appear before a, before a, before a committee. Right. Someone 0:52:12.090 --> 0:52:14.190 if they were all nice. That seemed to be a 0:52:14.190 --> 0:52:17.370 lot of effort to go to. It's a very powerful job. Um, 0:52:17.370 --> 0:52:21.710 any idea who might replace Jenny? Go. But you're normally 0:52:21.710 --> 0:52:23.540 got a good inside running on these things. 0:52:23.810 --> 0:52:24.500 If had he heard of. 0:52:24.500 --> 0:52:27.260 Yeah, yeah. We've only got the news. Come here. Give 0:52:27.260 --> 0:52:29.570 me a little while longer. I don't have any. Maybe 0:52:29.570 --> 0:52:32.000 one scoop for next. Yeah, well I'd be I'd be 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.370 very keen to work it out. So I had a 0:52:34.370 --> 0:52:36.500 chat with Meg Webb, who I know I don't. 0:52:36.500 --> 0:52:37.190 Think she's a. 0:52:37.190 --> 0:52:39.920 Great fan of the podcast. Who said that? Hello, Meg. 0:52:39.950 --> 0:52:42.950 The one thing that Tasmania needs is to get someone 0:52:42.950 --> 0:52:44.120 from outside. 0:52:44.450 --> 0:52:47.150 The state, like LegCo or boys. 0:52:47.150 --> 0:52:49.069 Or I don't think she was putting off. I think 0:52:49.070 --> 0:52:50.450 she was putting her name down for the gig. I 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:54.319 think she's got plenty to do. But, um, Jenny Gale, 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:58.370 it should be remembered, was very instrumental in the state's, um, 0:52:58.370 --> 0:53:03.110 response against Covid, and I think she was recognized for that, 0:53:03.110 --> 0:53:06.200 the premier pointed out. Um, also remembered full. 0:53:06.410 --> 0:53:07.700 Medal for doing her job. Yeah. 0:53:07.700 --> 0:53:12.770 Her role, uh, in the response to the commission of inquiry. 0:53:12.950 --> 0:53:15.530 And I touch upon that in my story in the 0:53:15.530 --> 0:53:16.670 newspaper tomorrow. 0:53:16.670 --> 0:53:19.010 Oh, it'll be today when this goes to air. 0:53:19.010 --> 0:53:22.040 But yeah, well, I look forward to reading that. That'll 0:53:22.070 --> 0:53:27.980 be very interesting. I suspect one of the things that, um, um, 0:53:27.980 --> 0:53:32.540 Mesam has been doing through this campaign is recording our numbers, 0:53:32.540 --> 0:53:36.049 this scorecard, a scorecard. But but I don't think I 0:53:36.050 --> 0:53:38.239 don't think the seats are being called yet, so I'm 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.430 just wondering, Sam, whether we hold that joy. 0:53:40.430 --> 0:53:42.620 No, I think we can call them. Yeah, Kevin's called it. 0:53:42.770 --> 0:53:45.200 Okay. Oh, Kevin called it. I got the embarrassment out 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:46.549 on the trip. Yeah, we can have a little bit 0:53:46.550 --> 0:53:49.310 of each. Yeah. Each time I think it would be. Well, 0:53:49.310 --> 0:53:50.299 why didn't you tell us about the. 0:53:50.300 --> 0:53:57.590 Well, it's going to be. It'll be 15, ten, five, three, two. Yeah. Okay. 0:53:58.219 --> 0:54:04.390 So the closest. I'm the closest one, I think is, uh, 0:54:04.390 --> 0:54:05.200 David Kulick. 0:54:05.410 --> 0:54:06.370 Wow. Really? 0:54:06.489 --> 0:54:08.680 Kulick was saving his own 13 seats for most of 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:09.250 the campaign. 0:54:09.340 --> 0:54:11.680 Yeah, he lost his last call with 15. 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.750 1004. 0:54:13.750 --> 0:54:14.560 Greens. 0:54:14.739 --> 0:54:15.160 Yeah. 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:19.390 Four independents and two Lamby. So pretty close. If that 0:54:19.390 --> 0:54:21.489 is the closest close, I think we need to give 0:54:21.489 --> 0:54:26.140 it away. Um, you wrote RJ 1610 one Lamby, four 0:54:26.140 --> 0:54:27.310 Greens for independence. 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:27.880 Ooh. 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:33.520 And, uh, beach towns end was 16. Ten. Three. Three. Three. Yeah, I. Well, 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.130 that wasn't far off. That's pretty good. Yeah. Main stream 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:38.410 yet to come? Yeah, no I wasn't yeah. I don't 0:54:38.410 --> 0:54:40.630 think I was far off. And the interesting thing about 0:54:40.630 --> 0:54:43.089 my numbers, and don't get me wrong, I think we're 0:54:43.090 --> 0:54:46.690 all pretty well converged pretty closely. By the end of 0:54:46.690 --> 0:54:49.690 it was they were pretty consistent throughout the campaign. And 0:54:49.690 --> 0:54:51.550 I think the vote, the one thing the vote did 0:54:51.550 --> 0:54:55.960 highlight was that I don't think there was much of 0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:59.469 a movement out there. Free poll to post poll. That's 0:54:59.469 --> 0:55:02.980 my sense, as is a lesson for me at a 0:55:02.980 --> 0:55:07.569 bain Marie or on a political podcast. I went with 0:55:07.570 --> 0:55:10.480 my gut instead of my head, and if I had 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:11.830 a goal in my head, I would have been closer. 0:55:11.830 --> 0:55:13.540 Because if you follow the polls in and you would 0:55:13.540 --> 0:55:16.210 have given the lab his three and then work back 0:55:16.210 --> 0:55:18.340 from there, and I probably would have got really close, 0:55:18.340 --> 0:55:21.490 I wouldn't have given the greens five despite being very up, 0:55:21.489 --> 0:55:25.840 very bullish about their campaign. Two seats in electorate. Water. Yeah. No. 0:55:26.290 --> 0:55:28.750 You've been listening to the fine cast. The only place 0:55:28.750 --> 0:55:32.290 to get clear, honest, informed and most importantly, fearless analysis 0:55:32.290 --> 0:55:36.759 about Tasmanian politics. 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