WEBVTT - A bullet dodged 0:00:08.700 --> 0:00:12.240 Hello, I'm Beecher Townsend and welcome to the Font Cast, 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.230 Tasmania's leading only political podcast, giving you all the political 0:00:16.230 --> 0:00:20.759 views and analysis and straight talking you won't hear anywhere else. Well, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.970 David Killick's often what they call a well-earned break at 0:00:23.970 --> 0:00:26.880 the ABC, not sure what they call it at the Mercury. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:28.950 And I'm about to spend a couple of weeks saving 0:00:28.950 --> 0:00:31.950 the planet from the scourge of plastic. So given that 0:00:31.950 --> 0:00:34.830 there's been a bit in hashtag politics, we thought we'd 0:00:34.830 --> 0:00:37.830 better get an episode in the can before I head off. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.170 Although who knows what else will happen before it goes 0:00:40.170 --> 0:00:42.900 to air sometime next week. Hello, Brad. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.979 Hello, beech. Good to be back. Um, just for purposes 0:00:46.979 --> 0:00:52.800 of future reference, at 7:37 a.m., Friday, the 19th of April. Um, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.710 I'm thinking people are wondering, how are you saving the 0:00:55.710 --> 0:00:56.730 world from plastic? 0:00:56.730 --> 0:01:02.220 Well, yeah. Okay, so I'm part of a negotiating team, 0:01:02.220 --> 0:01:05.819 which is going to the United Nations Environment Programme Inc 0:01:05.850 --> 0:01:10.709 for in Ottawa, Canada, to to assist on negotiating the 0:01:10.709 --> 0:01:12.150 plastics treaty. 0:01:12.150 --> 0:01:13.260 We are not worthy. 0:01:13.260 --> 0:01:15.990 No, no. Some say I might run away and join 0:01:15.990 --> 0:01:20.459 the Canadian Mounties. We'll see anyhow. And Alex Johnson, thank 0:01:20.459 --> 0:01:23.640 you for coming in so early this morning. How are you, Alex? 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.009 I don't know where in the world David Killick is, 0:01:26.010 --> 0:01:26.760 but I'm. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.640 I'm sure it's better than being here with you at 0:01:30.270 --> 0:01:34.170 730 on a Friday morning. So how dare you, sir? No, no, 0:01:34.170 --> 0:01:37.860 I'm being silly. And I wish Dave a very happy holiday. Um. 0:01:38.069 --> 0:01:41.789 And a well earned rest. He ran a he does 0:01:41.790 --> 0:01:46.649 a good job. Uh, killer. He's, um. He's well loved. And, uh, 0:01:46.650 --> 0:01:49.740 I enjoyed his work during the the last phone cast, 0:01:49.740 --> 0:01:53.580 I relistened to just for his, um, uh, bit about 0:01:53.580 --> 0:01:55.830 the lambie's. It was very enjoyable. 0:01:55.830 --> 0:01:59.010 All right, uh, as usual, there's a lot going on, 0:01:59.010 --> 0:02:01.350 and I've got a bit on my list. The Lambie 0:02:01.350 --> 0:02:04.350 agreement still causing a lot of chat in the bubble. 0:02:04.350 --> 0:02:08.880 Jay Rock 2.0. How's his first week been like wise? 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.920 We'll take a look at Dean winters leadership and his 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.720 shadow cabinet. The speakership is Michelle O'Byrne lining up for it? Um, 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.410 and finally the Brendan Blomeley affair. What on earth is 0:02:19.410 --> 0:02:23.100 going on inside the Liberal Party? Good question. So, Alex, 0:02:23.100 --> 0:02:25.260 the Lambie agreement is still causing a lot of chat. 0:02:25.260 --> 0:02:26.550 What's your thoughts? 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:32.970 Yes. Well, after that initial press conference where, um, they 0:02:32.970 --> 0:02:35.970 copped a little bit of scrutiny for being, uh, ill 0:02:35.970 --> 0:02:39.180 prepared about some issues, especially the commission of inquiry, which 0:02:39.180 --> 0:02:42.000 I think there was fairly broad consensus that they should 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.340 have had a response on that. And then, of course, 0:02:44.340 --> 0:02:48.180 after that we saw the deal, uh, which has, you know, 0:02:48.180 --> 0:02:50.820 been characterized as one that's very heavily in favor of 0:02:50.820 --> 0:02:53.790 the liberals. The Lambie's have been very, very quiet since. 0:02:53.790 --> 0:02:56.820 And I think, um, a shout out to Josh Dugan, 0:02:56.820 --> 0:03:00.240 he's been, um, leading the charge in terms of channel 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.430 seven political reporter. He's been leading the charge in terms 0:03:02.430 --> 0:03:05.640 of getting them, uh, on camera. And he posted the 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.710 other day that he got a reply sort of saying, well, 0:03:07.710 --> 0:03:11.339 for the, you know, next little bit they won't be, 0:03:11.340 --> 0:03:15.210 which is interesting. And I do wonder whether, um. 0:03:15.210 --> 0:03:18.269 Mind you, consistent with their efforts during the campaign. 0:03:18.270 --> 0:03:22.260 Well, that's true. Yeah. But I think post-election things should 0:03:22.260 --> 0:03:27.390 be a little different now I have well, I actually 0:03:27.389 --> 0:03:30.390 think that, um, they don't have too much to be 0:03:30.389 --> 0:03:32.670 worried about. I don't think the media pack down here 0:03:32.669 --> 0:03:37.020 is particularly unfair or ferocious. And I think the more 0:03:37.020 --> 0:03:40.800 media they do, the more comfortable they'll get. Um, so 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.080 I would encourage them to do it because I don't 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.740 think no one's out for blood. Um, but I do 0:03:46.740 --> 0:03:49.290 think the media pack has a general feeling that you've 0:03:49.290 --> 0:03:52.920 been elected. Scrutiny is a very fair thing. So it'll 0:03:52.950 --> 0:03:55.050 be interesting to see when when we do see them 0:03:55.050 --> 0:03:57.660 and when we get to know them a little bit better. Um, 0:03:57.660 --> 0:04:02.520 and of course, some other, um, unsuccessful Lambie candidates have 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.670 spoken out. I love Sean Ford's catch up with what's 0:04:05.670 --> 0:04:08.220 the guy's name in the North West, James Redgrave, is 0:04:08.220 --> 0:04:08.550 that it? 0:04:08.550 --> 0:04:09.480 That's the one. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:15.210 Um, he seemed to think that if, uh, he wanted. Well, 0:04:15.210 --> 0:04:17.099 on election night, I guess it wasn't clear who was 0:04:17.100 --> 0:04:18.900 going to be elected in Braddon. He was right in 0:04:18.900 --> 0:04:21.659 the thick of things. And he said that he's he 0:04:21.660 --> 0:04:27.029 would have gone after several ministries. Um, so that to 0:04:27.029 --> 0:04:30.690 me is, uh, a real sliding doors moment. If we 0:04:30.690 --> 0:04:34.020 had have got James Redgrave instead of Miriam Beswick who 0:04:34.020 --> 0:04:37.529 is the Lambie member for Braddon. Um, what did you 0:04:37.529 --> 0:04:38.670 make of that one? Bradley? 0:04:39.270 --> 0:04:42.390 I think that, um, there's a general feeling around the 0:04:42.390 --> 0:04:44.430 traps that it might have been a bullet dodged on 0:04:44.430 --> 0:04:47.940 that particular one. Um, it was a fairly controversial candidate 0:04:47.940 --> 0:04:50.430 during the campaign, remember? There's some stuff there about the 0:04:50.430 --> 0:04:53.940 Trove council where he was, uh, I think some video 0:04:53.940 --> 0:04:57.779 surfaced during the campaign of him asking questions without notice 0:04:57.779 --> 0:04:59.400 that I think it was La Trobe Council, La Trobe. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:00.150 Yeah, yeah. Mr.. 0:05:00.150 --> 0:05:03.690 Freshney and then there was also another, um, uh, a 0:05:03.690 --> 0:05:07.050 slightly amusing article I recall in the Advocate newspaper. Uh. 0:05:07.500 --> 0:05:12.450 Where he, um, uh, uh, claimed to have been and 0:05:12.450 --> 0:05:14.909 may well, may well be true. The hero that, uh, 0:05:14.910 --> 0:05:17.520 rescued people from some sort of fiery car crash. I 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:18.750 don't know if you recall that. 0:05:18.779 --> 0:05:19.620 No, I don't that. 0:05:19.620 --> 0:05:22.950 One pass me by. There was some questions asked about 0:05:22.950 --> 0:05:25.650 how that particular story came to find its way to 0:05:25.650 --> 0:05:28.080 the advocate, and how he came to be described in 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.720 such glowing terms. Very interesting. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.680 Well, I, for one, you know, not nothing against Miriam Beswick. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.979 I think she'll do a great job. But, gee, it 0:05:37.980 --> 0:05:39.900 could be it would have been a colorful addition to 0:05:39.900 --> 0:05:43.320 the Parliament, especially if he was, uh, vying for, you know, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.650 the attorney general or something like that. I think most 0:05:46.650 --> 0:05:50.279 people's idea is the Lambie should have negotiated something between 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.120 James Redgrave's several ministries and what they got. But it 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.880 will turn out. I mean, we'll see if it turns 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.030 out to be, um, a workable relationship. 0:06:00.029 --> 0:06:02.220 All right. Well, Brad, what do you think? 0:06:03.180 --> 0:06:07.409 Look, I've been thinking about this over the last few weeks, 0:06:07.410 --> 0:06:11.099 and we had a discussion beach. And I've come to 0:06:11.100 --> 0:06:15.059 the conclusion that what we are seeing here is, is 0:06:15.060 --> 0:06:18.779 a continuation of the the world's longest hissy fit, which 0:06:18.779 --> 0:06:22.440 commenced in 2018 when Labour didn't win the election. They 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.680 were robbed by the pokie barons and then in 2021, 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:30.000 they were robbed by Covid. And now in 2024, they've 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.410 been robbed by the Lambies. Yeah. Um, I think, you know, 0:06:34.410 --> 0:06:36.869 first it was, uh, Labor's fault for not doing a 0:06:36.870 --> 0:06:39.270 deal with the Greens when labor only got ten seats, 0:06:39.540 --> 0:06:42.510 and then it was the Lambie's fault for doing a 0:06:42.510 --> 0:06:45.960 deal with the liberals. Um, I just think, you know, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.140 in the space of a day, we went from, uh, 0:06:49.140 --> 0:06:52.920 people laughing and jeering at the Liberal Party for daring 0:06:52.950 --> 0:06:55.529 to attack the Lambie's during the election campaign, to now 0:06:55.529 --> 0:07:00.900 saying some sort of five D chess conspiracy theory because 0:07:00.930 --> 0:07:04.170 Glenn Williams went to school with Jeremy Rockliff 35 years ago, 0:07:04.170 --> 0:07:06.510 and somehow or other, it's all some big stitch up. 0:07:06.510 --> 0:07:11.580 I mean, it, um, it really is tinfoil hat territory, 0:07:11.580 --> 0:07:12.900 if you ask me. 0:07:12.900 --> 0:07:16.980 If if only scowls were audible, you just got the 0:07:16.980 --> 0:07:19.680 scowling of a lifetime. Oh, well, I just think Brad 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.700 has painted like everyone on the left with the same brush, 0:07:23.700 --> 0:07:25.620 and it's just not right. I don't think Labor's whingeing 0:07:25.620 --> 0:07:28.530 about the situation. It seems to me like they've trying 0:07:28.530 --> 0:07:31.050 to lick their wounds and get on with with work 0:07:31.050 --> 0:07:33.630 and trying to build themselves back up. Yeah, okay. There 0:07:33.630 --> 0:07:36.540 are some people trying to piece together who is on 0:07:36.540 --> 0:07:39.179 this Lambie board. I think that's a very reasonable thing 0:07:39.210 --> 0:07:41.190 to do. I'm trying to do the same thing. I've 0:07:41.190 --> 0:07:43.380 asked the party, can I please have a list of 0:07:43.380 --> 0:07:47.340 who's on the board? Well, haven't got a response. Um, 0:07:47.340 --> 0:07:50.070 so we're trying to piece it together. And, you know, 0:07:50.070 --> 0:07:53.040 some people are, you know, putting two and two together 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.320 and getting nine. I don't agree that it was some 0:07:55.320 --> 0:08:01.410 pre-election conspiracy, but I do think the liberals have neutralised, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.250 you know, a threat or a influence of Lambie by 0:08:05.250 --> 0:08:06.960 the deal that they've been able to sign. But there's 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.180 a lot of people have pointed out that's not set 0:08:09.180 --> 0:08:13.530 in concrete. They could easily be swayed by public opinion 0:08:13.530 --> 0:08:15.000 and decide to be what. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.290 They should break their deal. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.290 No, no, I'm not encouraging them to at all, Brad. 0:08:19.290 --> 0:08:21.600 They can do whatever they want. Ah, some members of. 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.270 Parliament are which are quite well, quite astounding. 0:08:24.270 --> 0:08:26.250 Well, I mean, you can ask. 0:08:26.250 --> 0:08:28.260 Ones that preach integrity. 0:08:28.890 --> 0:08:31.350 Well, just because you've signed something doesn't mean that you're 0:08:31.350 --> 0:08:35.700 now a bastion of integrity. But, um, people will agitate 0:08:35.700 --> 0:08:38.640 for whatever they think is in their best interest. That's fine, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.980 but the lambie's themselves might get some way down the 0:08:40.980 --> 0:08:43.050 track and think, hang on a minute. We've got elected 0:08:43.050 --> 0:08:45.929 in our own right here. We are not able to 0:08:45.929 --> 0:08:49.349 properly represent the people who got us here under this 0:08:49.350 --> 0:08:52.320 current deal, so they might want to renegotiate the deal. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.690 It'll be interesting to see how Parliament plays out. And 0:08:54.690 --> 0:08:57.540 there's been some interesting things around Parliament with the end 0:08:57.540 --> 0:09:00.599 of Dorothy Dixers and the introduction of these constituent questions. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.030 We might come to that later. But just on the lambie's, 0:09:03.030 --> 0:09:07.290 I don't I mean, I think you're conflating so many 0:09:07.290 --> 0:09:11.910 different issues. Yes. Okay. On election night 2018, Rebecca White's 0:09:11.910 --> 0:09:14.220 speech probably wasn't didn't hit the notes. It did. And 0:09:14.220 --> 0:09:16.890 then in 2021, who did you blame then? Covid. 0:09:16.890 --> 0:09:18.420 Covid? Well, I didn't blame it. You like. 0:09:18.420 --> 0:09:18.780 Did. 0:09:18.780 --> 0:09:21.360 Well you're sorry not I apologize. That wasn't you then. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:22.200 It was the Labor Party. 0:09:22.350 --> 0:09:25.050 Well I mean 20, 21, they just got flogged because 0:09:25.050 --> 0:09:28.050 they were terrible at getting their house in order. But 0:09:28.470 --> 0:09:32.520 Labor's I don't think Labor's um, sulking now. I think they've, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.160 they've actually pulled their socks up and have tried to 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:35.729 get on with it. 0:09:35.730 --> 0:09:38.490 I agree, I don't I don't think Dean winters sulking 0:09:38.490 --> 0:09:39.449 about it, but I think, I. 0:09:39.450 --> 0:09:41.160 Think anyone in the party is there's a few on 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.280 the periphery, sort of like Brad said, not happy with anything, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.070 but that's not the left and that's not labor. And 0:09:47.070 --> 0:09:48.839 it's not even the Greens, really. I mean, the Greens 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.780 are being the Greens. It's a few people trying to 0:09:51.780 --> 0:09:53.130 solve a mystery. 0:09:53.130 --> 0:09:58.319 Well, look, uh, mostly on Twitter. Yeah, that's very true. I, um, 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.750 you know, look, from my point of view, you know, 0:10:00.750 --> 0:10:03.510 I've been around politics for many years, as most of 0:10:03.510 --> 0:10:05.880 you know. And the reality is, I certainly understand the 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.190 frustration in the gallery of not being able to speak 0:10:08.190 --> 0:10:10.590 to people and get an understanding of it. But, I mean, 0:10:10.590 --> 0:10:14.220 the reality is, you know, they've created these members from 0:10:14.220 --> 0:10:17.280 the ground up. They have literally walked in inverted commas 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.190 off the street. They're now members of Parliament. They've entered 0:10:20.190 --> 0:10:23.040 into a relationship with government. My point is, and my 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.800 point has been since the beginning of this, they will 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.830 work it out and they will work it out. Over time, 0:10:28.830 --> 0:10:31.800 it's quite clear if they're stepping back from media commentary, 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.960 they don't want to work it out in with a 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.270 spotlight of the Fourth Estate on them, but they will 0:10:36.270 --> 0:10:39.510 work these things out over time. They've got considerable power, 0:10:39.510 --> 0:10:43.200 but the reality is the new the new Parliament will 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:47.370 see every bill thrashed out on the merits of its 0:10:47.370 --> 0:10:49.920 value as it goes through the House. I mean, that's 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.710 what's going to happen where there's deals in place or not. 0:10:52.710 --> 0:10:55.050 This is about a question of whether we want to 0:10:55.050 --> 0:10:58.110 go back to the polls right straight away, because we 0:10:58.110 --> 0:11:00.240 haven't got a majority on the floor of the House. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.339 We don't want to go back to the polls. Nobody 0:11:02.340 --> 0:11:04.340 wants to get. Go back to the polls. We want 0:11:04.340 --> 0:11:05.870 to get on. We want to govern. 0:11:05.900 --> 0:11:09.319 I think the problem is there is, uh, some people, uh, 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.340 a large section of, um, uh, the Fourth Estate in particular. 0:11:13.340 --> 0:11:16.069 Not not saying it's you, Alex, but others who are 0:11:16.070 --> 0:11:19.970 seeking to manifest a different result to what was achieved. Yeah. 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.510 The reality is people did not vote to change the government. 0:11:23.510 --> 0:11:25.130 They voted to change the government. Labor would not have 0:11:25.130 --> 0:11:27.050 got ten seats. They would have got a lot more 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.510 than that. Uh, people voted to give the government a 0:11:29.510 --> 0:11:31.429 kick up the pants, and they did that by voting 0:11:31.429 --> 0:11:35.660 for the lambie's. Therefore, ipso facto, it follows the Lambie's 0:11:35.660 --> 0:11:40.850 have done the right thing by rolling in behind the government. Um, 0:11:40.850 --> 0:11:44.600 who have, I think, on on all objective evidence, um, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.580 accepted and noted that they've got that kick up the 0:11:46.580 --> 0:11:49.939 pants in order to ensure the government continue and that 0:11:49.940 --> 0:11:53.750 it can be, uh, a stable environment that people voted for. 0:11:53.750 --> 0:11:57.290 I just think people are misunderstanding why people voted for 0:11:57.290 --> 0:11:58.640 the Lambie's, quite frankly. 0:11:58.970 --> 0:12:02.989 But did you watch that explanation from, uh, the constitutional 0:12:02.990 --> 0:12:05.270 expert Anne Twomey, when she sort of spelled out why 0:12:05.270 --> 0:12:07.460 she thought the deal went too far? 0:12:07.790 --> 0:12:09.530 She an expert in Tasmanian politics? 0:12:09.530 --> 0:12:12.829 No, but I think she made some strong points around, 0:12:12.830 --> 0:12:16.099 you know, the the nature of the deal they've signed. 0:12:16.130 --> 0:12:18.020 I don't think anyone has a big problem with the 0:12:18.020 --> 0:12:21.980 lambie's giving the liberals confidence and supply so we can 0:12:21.980 --> 0:12:26.240 all get on and govern. I just think the general 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.220 consensus and and Dave. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.020 Dave Killick's the evidence. 0:12:30.350 --> 0:12:33.829 Where's the evidence of this general general consensus? Well, I mean, 0:12:33.830 --> 0:12:36.559 you can only you can only gauge the people who 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.530 speak up. But I mean, David Kitter there. Thank you. No, no. 0:12:39.530 --> 0:12:42.679 Hang on. No no no hang on David, you you 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.080 wouldn't you know, we invite David Killick onto this show 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.209 because we think he's got something very intelligent to add. 0:12:47.210 --> 0:12:49.579 I think he spelt it out very well. You know, 0:12:49.580 --> 0:12:52.130 they signed up to things they were already going to get, 0:12:52.130 --> 0:12:56.510 you know, they could have just said yes, we want 0:12:56.510 --> 0:12:59.059 to be sensible. We want you to govern. You are 0:12:59.059 --> 0:13:01.880 the premier, but I think they're going to end up 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.970 regretting all of the ground they've given, because it will 0:13:04.970 --> 0:13:07.850 make them less effective in Parliament. And they do want 0:13:07.850 --> 0:13:10.610 to be agitators now, not agitators. 0:13:10.610 --> 0:13:11.780 They. Have you spoken to them? 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.030 Well, why would you go? Why would you try to 0:13:14.030 --> 0:13:15.650 get elected to Parliament? If people. 0:13:15.650 --> 0:13:18.470 Are just manifesting motivations that may not exist. 0:13:18.620 --> 0:13:21.200 Why would you? Why would you then have a party 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.719 if you didn't want to change the status quo? Obviously, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.350 Jacqui Lambie wants to change the status quo. She has 0:13:27.350 --> 0:13:29.060 in a lot of ways, she's been a breath of 0:13:29.059 --> 0:13:32.270 fresh air. She doesn't want to be a cookie cutter liberal. 0:13:32.270 --> 0:13:34.370 She was in the Liberal Party once and she left 0:13:34.370 --> 0:13:36.950 the Liberal Party, right. She wants to be her own 0:13:36.950 --> 0:13:39.170 person and therefore I think she wants candidates to be 0:13:39.170 --> 0:13:43.610 their own people. You can agitate around issues and in 0:13:43.610 --> 0:13:47.690 Parliament and make it very healthy without blowing the place up. 0:13:47.690 --> 0:13:50.660 You know, we criticized John Tucker and Lara Alexander for 0:13:50.660 --> 0:13:53.420 the extremes they went to. I'm not talking about that. 0:13:53.420 --> 0:13:56.870 I'm talking about having the flexibility in Parliament to just 0:13:56.870 --> 0:13:59.390 be a little bit more nimble and keep the government 0:13:59.390 --> 0:14:01.219 on its toes. I think that would be a very 0:14:01.220 --> 0:14:02.870 healthy thing now. 0:14:02.870 --> 0:14:06.530 But that's my point. That's a view which is being put. 0:14:06.530 --> 0:14:08.300 But I'm not sure that's the view that the voters 0:14:08.300 --> 0:14:11.780 wanted anyway. Um, you did mention and I think in fairness, 0:14:11.780 --> 0:14:14.810 and you mentioned two beach that, um, uh, Dean Wynter 0:14:14.809 --> 0:14:16.790 at least doesn't seem to be in the denialist camp, 0:14:16.790 --> 0:14:19.430 which is, I think, a credit to him. And I 0:14:19.430 --> 0:14:24.380 also noticed, um, neither is his candidate for, uh, elwick 0:14:24.380 --> 0:14:26.150 Tessa McLaughlin. Um. 0:14:26.420 --> 0:14:27.200 And she got to say. 0:14:27.350 --> 0:14:29.150 Well, you know, they sent a letter to my house. 0:14:29.150 --> 0:14:32.450 They really need to update their, um, election database. I 0:14:32.450 --> 0:14:34.550 think they're sort of wasting their money sending me stuff 0:14:34.550 --> 0:14:37.070 all the time. But anyway, um, you never know. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.580 You've got read out on Tasmania's top declared last time, 0:14:40.580 --> 0:14:43.040 didn't he, that he's a big fan of the mayor there. Exactly. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.790 Yeah. Um, a bright new spark for Elwick. Um, very 0:14:46.790 --> 0:14:50.390 clever play on words there. An electrician? Exactly. It's very clever. Um, 0:14:50.390 --> 0:14:53.900 but bloody bloody bloody bloody blah. With the re-election of 0:14:53.900 --> 0:14:57.530 the Rockliff liberal government, uh, it is vital blah blah blah, blah, blah. 0:14:57.530 --> 0:14:59.360 So I'm glad to see that at least there's some 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.400 people in the Labor Party that have moved past the 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.630 election and are focusing on the future. All right. 0:15:05.630 --> 0:15:09.290 Well, you mentioned the, um, premier receiving a kick up 0:15:09.290 --> 0:15:11.690 the pants message. Brad, how do you judge his first 0:15:11.690 --> 0:15:13.700 week in the chair so far? 0:15:13.790 --> 0:15:17.150 Look, um, I think mostly pretty encouraging. Um, I'll be 0:15:17.150 --> 0:15:20.810 interested in Alex's views on this. Um, but, you know, practically, 0:15:20.810 --> 0:15:24.170 there's been some changes, much needed overhaul of ministerial staff, 0:15:24.170 --> 0:15:27.170 I think after a decade at the ministerial staffing contingent 0:15:27.170 --> 0:15:32.030 had become bloated with bureaucratic secondees. And I think that 0:15:32.030 --> 0:15:35.600 they've made efforts to seek to change that. Um, the 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.630 charter letters that the premier's announced, which she has provided 0:15:38.630 --> 0:15:42.230 to all his ministers, giving clear directions on what he 0:15:42.230 --> 0:15:43.730 wants them to do and what they should tell their 0:15:43.730 --> 0:15:47.300 secretaries to do, their department secretaries. Um, and of course, 0:15:47.300 --> 0:15:50.120 that clear direction is broadly, as I understand it, the 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:54.500 2030 strong plan, um, the rolling out meter events, I 0:15:54.500 --> 0:15:57.380 think daily around that plan, Alex, or seeking to at 0:15:57.380 --> 0:16:01.730 least from what I can see. Um, so I think broadly, um, 0:16:02.210 --> 0:16:04.400 it's an. Encouraging start, if you can put it that way. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.220 And as I understand it, what the Premier is, is 0:16:07.220 --> 0:16:11.240 doing and telling people is that he's seeking to, uh, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.840 govern as if he'd just been re-elected. So if he'd 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:19.310 just been elected from opposition as opposed to being re-elected. 0:16:19.310 --> 0:16:21.590 So he's looking really. Yeah. Looking to sort of set. 0:16:21.590 --> 0:16:23.660 A I haven't necessarily felt that. 0:16:23.660 --> 0:16:26.600 Clean slate. Yeah. Well let's um, what I've heard him 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.650 say on occasion, um, my only real criticism to this 0:16:30.650 --> 0:16:34.130 point is I'm, I'm disappointed that the bureaucracy has not 0:16:34.130 --> 0:16:37.250 been shaken up. Uh, there's been we've still got the 0:16:37.250 --> 0:16:42.500 same ex-labour staffer running Treasury. Um, we've got a new 0:16:42.530 --> 0:16:45.590 head of Deepak who took no criticism. 0:16:45.740 --> 0:16:48.890 So, Cath, just for the listeners, Kathryn Morgan-wicks, who's obviously 0:16:48.890 --> 0:16:51.020 been the head of health for a long time, is 0:16:51.020 --> 0:16:54.500 now the head of Deepak, replacing Jenny Gale, who, of course, uh, 0:16:54.500 --> 0:16:59.330 retired just after the election day after or something. Yeah. Um, 0:16:59.330 --> 0:17:04.010 so that was a predictable, uh, appointment. But obviously health 0:17:04.010 --> 0:17:07.100 loss is Deepak's gain because I think most people think 0:17:07.100 --> 0:17:09.590 Catherine Morgan-wicks has been pretty efficient. Is that a. Yeah. 0:17:09.619 --> 0:17:11.900 No, I've got no problem with her work. I thought 0:17:11.900 --> 0:17:13.699 she did a very good job in in health. And 0:17:13.700 --> 0:17:16.010 as you say, it now leaves a gaping hole in health. 0:17:16.010 --> 0:17:17.750 But I think, um. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.510 You would have liked to really shake things up. What 0:17:20.510 --> 0:17:20.780 sort of. 0:17:20.780 --> 0:17:24.710 It needed an outsider, not a bureaucratic insider. That's my sense. 0:17:24.710 --> 0:17:27.770 And you would have liked someone new for Deepak, someone. 0:17:27.770 --> 0:17:33.169 New from outside of effectively the existing system. So the 0:17:33.170 --> 0:17:37.280 problem is the bureaucracy in Tasmania is a career. It's 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.369 a club. And, um, unless you can from time to 0:17:40.369 --> 0:17:42.500 time break it up with people from outside that club, 0:17:42.500 --> 0:17:44.570 you end up getting a quite well, I think around 0:17:44.570 --> 0:17:45.590 the top thing, I think. 0:17:45.590 --> 0:17:47.750 Around the commission of inquiry, that would have been very 0:17:47.750 --> 0:17:52.670 helpful and very healthy because, um, even the review into 0:17:52.670 --> 0:17:55.820 the department heads has not gone down that well. And, 0:17:55.820 --> 0:17:58.430 you know, now there are calls for it to be, um, 0:17:58.430 --> 0:18:01.160 started again. And I know you're not the biggest Meg 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.530 Webb fan in the world, but she articulated the case well, 0:18:03.530 --> 0:18:05.659 if he didn't have access to all the information or 0:18:05.660 --> 0:18:08.750 how can you do do the review properly? So no, 0:18:08.750 --> 0:18:10.369 I tend to agree it would have been a chance 0:18:10.369 --> 0:18:15.710 to bring in some new, um, faces. People, maybe people 0:18:15.710 --> 0:18:20.000 without those ties that go back 20 years. Yeah, there 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.970 could be a healthy thing. Uh, especially in the context 0:18:22.970 --> 0:18:23.780 of the COI. 0:18:23.810 --> 0:18:26.270 There's no no could be about it. It would be 0:18:26.270 --> 0:18:29.450 a very healthy thing. I, Brad and I both deal 0:18:29.450 --> 0:18:33.320 with the bureaucracy quite regularly and, you know, like, oh, 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.290 you know, it's caretaker mode. So we can't we can't 0:18:36.290 --> 0:18:40.370 return your phone call or respond to your email. You know, 0:18:40.369 --> 0:18:45.889 it's it's this constant pushback, uh, ministers giving bureaucrats instructions, instruction, 0:18:45.890 --> 0:18:49.850 instructions that bureaucrats simply don't follow because they don't want to. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.730 They'll come up with 1,000,001 excuses. Oh, we've been busy. 0:18:52.730 --> 0:18:55.610 I remember during Covid, the whole world stopped. As far 0:18:55.609 --> 0:18:58.820 as the Tasmanian bureaucracy was concerned, it's Covid. Beecher and 0:18:58.820 --> 0:19:00.679 I go, yeah, I get that. It's Covid. Are you 0:19:00.710 --> 0:19:03.020 handing out face masks? Are you do you know what 0:19:03.020 --> 0:19:05.150 I mean? Are you running? Running some kind of session 0:19:05.150 --> 0:19:08.300 to help the community? No. You're sitting in your office 0:19:08.300 --> 0:19:11.810 doing nothing because it's Covid. And frankly, you know, the 0:19:11.810 --> 0:19:14.389 bureaucracy needs a significant shake up. 0:19:14.390 --> 0:19:18.020 Sitting at home. Beach? Yeah. Yes. Beach. If a fresh 0:19:18.020 --> 0:19:20.449 set of eyes, someone who had a lot of experience in, 0:19:20.450 --> 0:19:23.330 you know, maybe government around the world came and had 0:19:23.330 --> 0:19:26.119 a look at how things run in Tasmania. What do 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.670 you think their observations would be? 0:19:29.090 --> 0:19:32.119 Oh, well, I think their observations would be we have 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.570 a small public sector. We have a pretty close shop, 0:19:35.570 --> 0:19:39.350 I've got to say, um, and that we need to 0:19:39.350 --> 0:19:42.950 lift the calibre of the individuals within the public service, 0:19:42.950 --> 0:19:44.810 and we need to look at ways in which we 0:19:44.810 --> 0:19:47.570 can bring in new blood. I know the public sector 0:19:47.570 --> 0:19:50.990 has grown quite significantly in recent years, but I'm not 0:19:50.990 --> 0:19:55.520 seeing a lot of change at the top. I'm not seeing, um, uh, movement. 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.609 What we're seeing is a natural progression of senior figures 0:19:58.609 --> 0:20:01.790 through the public service, where they arrive at a particular point. 0:20:01.790 --> 0:20:05.000 And I'm seeing a government that seems to rubber stamp it. 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:06.980 And then if you say to government, you know, why 0:20:06.980 --> 0:20:09.710 are you going down this process? Why have you done this? Oh, well, 0:20:09.710 --> 0:20:12.920 nobody else applied beach. There's no one else in the room. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.139 This was the only applicant we had, and I just. Well, 0:20:15.140 --> 0:20:15.530 we're having. 0:20:15.530 --> 0:20:20.780 A worldwide universe wide world search to replace Kath Morgan-wicks 0:20:20.780 --> 0:20:24.770 in health. And in the meantime, we've appointed, um, um, 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.609 the deputy secretary. Remind me his name. Beach. Um. 0:20:28.609 --> 0:20:29.510 Uh, Dale Webster. 0:20:29.540 --> 0:20:33.290 Dale Webster is the acting secretary. Yeah, 100 to 1. 0:20:33.290 --> 0:20:34.550 He'll end up with the job permanently. 0:20:34.550 --> 0:20:35.929 As night follows. Day. 0:20:35.930 --> 0:20:36.850 I mean, 100 to. 0:20:36.850 --> 0:20:38.000 1 or 1 to 100. 0:20:38.150 --> 0:20:41.600 001 to 100. But. Yeah. No bookie. Bookie brought those jobs. 0:20:41.900 --> 0:20:44.060 I thought finally, here's a bet I can get on 0:20:44.060 --> 0:20:44.810 and might win. 0:20:44.810 --> 0:20:47.180 But but I mean, I mean, the point being, you've 0:20:47.180 --> 0:20:49.969 got to bring new people in to the senior ranks 0:20:49.970 --> 0:20:53.330 of the service in order to ensure that there's fresh 0:20:53.330 --> 0:20:55.640 thought and there's fresh views and that people can just 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.460 come and look at things differently. So what happens in 0:20:58.460 --> 0:21:00.560 my world is I go to government, I go to 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.540 them with a good idea. You look at the minister, the. 0:21:02.670 --> 0:21:04.889 Minister says that's a great idea. Beach. Let's see if 0:21:04.890 --> 0:21:07.290 we can do it. And frankly, if the bureaucracy does 0:21:07.290 --> 0:21:11.280 not like it right, it simply does not happen. And 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:16.050 that has got to change. Anyhow, all right, let's have 0:21:16.050 --> 0:21:16.229 a look. 0:21:16.260 --> 0:21:18.450 Is that a Townshend rant? It was. 0:21:18.450 --> 0:21:21.119 A Townshend. I set him up because I thought he 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.030 would have had a view. And he did, and I. Yeah, 0:21:24.030 --> 0:21:25.169 I think you make a good point. 0:21:25.170 --> 0:21:28.290 Well, it's just borne out of some frustration. But anyhow, 0:21:28.290 --> 0:21:30.600 let's have a look at the other side of the chamber. 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:34.230 We mentioned last week that Dean really, uh, shook up 0:21:34.230 --> 0:21:38.250 Hobart or Killer, at least when he spent his first 0:21:38.250 --> 0:21:42.210 day on the job in Stratton. He since, uh, announced 0:21:42.210 --> 0:21:45.060 his shadow cabinet. AJ, how'd his first week go? 0:21:45.450 --> 0:21:48.240 Well, I like the shadow cabinet shake up because they 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.720 did it completely clean slate. You know, no one really 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.139 got to hang on to their portfolios. Maybe a couple 0:21:55.140 --> 0:21:57.900 of little ones I can't remember. But a big, big 0:21:57.900 --> 0:22:01.170 change all around, which gives them a chance to reset 0:22:01.170 --> 0:22:06.660 and obviously go and meet new stakeholders and develop new relationships. And, um, 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.699 it's going to be very interesting to see how the 0:22:08.700 --> 0:22:11.429 public receives Dean Winter. I mean, I've known him a 0:22:11.430 --> 0:22:16.050 long time. Um, and he was very popular as Kingborough Mayor. 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.550 I think he's probably viewed a little bit in a 0:22:20.550 --> 0:22:24.060 different light since being in opposition politics. I mentioned last 0:22:24.060 --> 0:22:25.830 time that, you know, I had a lot of feedback 0:22:25.830 --> 0:22:28.560 saying that he's got to shed the Windsor tag. It'll 0:22:28.590 --> 0:22:30.780 be interesting to see whether he can make that transition 0:22:30.780 --> 0:22:34.020 from sort of being the attack dog to the leader. Um, 0:22:34.020 --> 0:22:36.810 I think the job they did yesterday with the forest 0:22:36.810 --> 0:22:39.570 industry saying to the liberals, you know, if you're willing 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:41.879 to put aside the forest wars, we could join you. 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.219 I think that's pretty smart. You know, you don't want 0:22:44.220 --> 0:22:46.020 to be in lockstep with the liberals on anything. But 0:22:46.020 --> 0:22:48.389 I think an issue like forestry, I think most Tasmanians 0:22:48.390 --> 0:22:51.869 would probably prefer it not to be in the news 0:22:51.869 --> 0:22:55.950 all the time. And, and I think mainstream Tasmania and 0:22:55.950 --> 0:22:58.469 I know this Brad might disagree with me here, but 0:22:58.470 --> 0:23:03.510 I think they'd probably prefer Labor's approach that doesn't ignite 0:23:03.510 --> 0:23:04.800 the forest wars. 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.010 Well, since you've raised it, I'm I must admit to 0:23:08.010 --> 0:23:12.300 being a little bit confused by Labor's approach slash Nick 0:23:12.300 --> 0:23:15.960 Steel's approach. Can you tell me how it's actually different 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:17.190 to the liberals approach? 0:23:17.190 --> 0:23:19.919 Well, I, I don't think that they were going to 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.370 open up the extra well territory. Well no, that's going 0:23:23.369 --> 0:23:25.230 to support the industry. You know, I. 0:23:25.230 --> 0:23:27.719 Very clearly heard Mr. Steel saying he was prepared to 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.030 look at additional production out of that forest. 0:23:30.390 --> 0:23:33.000 So then why was he so critical when the liberal 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:34.740 policy came up? Because he did give them. 0:23:34.740 --> 0:23:36.810 That's a question which I think the Fourth Estate could 0:23:36.810 --> 0:23:38.520 do well to put to Mr. Steel, because I must 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.369 admit to being a little bit confused by by the, uh, 0:23:41.369 --> 0:23:45.780 Forest Industries Association's position on this. And bear in mind, 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:50.399 the Forest Industry Association does represent the big players in 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.320 the industry, just as it always has done. And we 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.390 had this problem back in the original forest deal when 0:23:54.390 --> 0:23:56.820 they represented the big players and not the small ones. 0:23:56.820 --> 0:24:00.600 And I'm just a little, uh, confused. I think a 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.840 lot of people are as to what they actually want. Now, 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:05.669 I think I agree with you. It's smart politics of 0:24:05.670 --> 0:24:08.880 labor to to basically roll in behind them and roll 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:10.890 in behind the government and say, look, we'll we'll work 0:24:10.890 --> 0:24:13.530 with you on it. But I think the inevitable outcome 0:24:13.530 --> 0:24:15.899 is going to be that some of that FTTP land 0:24:15.900 --> 0:24:18.510 is is going to be a future potential production forest 0:24:18.510 --> 0:24:20.489 land is going to be opened up. That's as I 0:24:20.490 --> 0:24:21.060 read it. 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:24.149 Well, I'll interrogate that more. I'll go back and have 0:24:24.150 --> 0:24:26.700 a listen to exactly what Nick steel yesterday yesterday said. 0:24:26.700 --> 0:24:28.440 But I thought it was more labor sort of saying, 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.109 you've got to meet us and where the industry is 0:24:31.109 --> 0:24:34.500 rather than us coming to you. But I think the 0:24:34.500 --> 0:24:35.010 question is. 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:37.080 Where is the industry exactly? Yeah. 0:24:37.980 --> 0:24:41.100 Anyway, I thought, you know, labor have only got a 0:24:41.100 --> 0:24:44.430 small team in the lower house, and it's a very 0:24:44.430 --> 0:24:47.730 tough base. I you know, the conversation last time about 0:24:47.730 --> 0:24:50.880 whether it's enough of a base to vie for majority 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:54.480 next time is a really interesting thing. Um, they helped 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:56.430 a little bit, but they've got a couple of extras 0:24:56.430 --> 0:24:59.460 in the upper house, um, which gives them a bit 0:24:59.460 --> 0:25:02.370 more of a broader. I mean, everyone got a shadow portfolio, 0:25:02.369 --> 0:25:04.500 and I saw someone sort of make a joke out 0:25:04.500 --> 0:25:06.209 of that. But you've got to give people something to 0:25:06.210 --> 0:25:07.980 do otherwise, you know, it can be. 0:25:07.980 --> 0:25:09.060 Not everybody. 0:25:09.060 --> 0:25:10.980 Not everyone who missed out. 0:25:10.980 --> 0:25:13.770 Craig Farrell, he's too busy as president of the Legislative. 0:25:13.770 --> 0:25:16.859 Council. That's a very important job. It's a very important job. 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.980 350, 65 days a year. Job that one. 0:25:20.100 --> 0:25:25.530 Yes. Um, but anyway, I thought their lineup looks like. Sorry, 0:25:25.530 --> 0:25:26.760 he doesn't even have trains. 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:31.590 No, no, he hasn't even got choo choo trains. It's. Yeah. Anyhow. 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.700 Their lineup looks like it'll be able to, um, match 0:25:35.700 --> 0:25:37.859 up pretty well against the government. But the big problem 0:25:37.859 --> 0:25:40.680 is I think they've always done that. Okay. The big 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.840 problem is, are they going to get out and win 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.869 back confidence. And just getting back to Dean's leadership, it 0:25:45.869 --> 0:25:48.750 will be very interesting to see how he's perceived in 0:25:48.750 --> 0:25:52.560 six months time. I'd be very interested to see some, uh, 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.920 polling around that, especially compared to Jeremy Rockliff and how 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.280 and I'd like to see some sort of detailed polling, 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:01.169 because we're not in a good position to do it. 0:26:01.170 --> 0:26:03.370 We know these people. We've met them. We know what 0:26:03.369 --> 0:26:05.830 they're like on camera. We know what they like off camera. 0:26:05.830 --> 0:26:08.980 I would love to see some polling around what people 0:26:08.980 --> 0:26:13.090 think about Dean winner compared to Jeremy Rockliff or other leaders. Um, 0:26:13.090 --> 0:26:15.340 from a focus group point of view, from people who 0:26:15.340 --> 0:26:17.109 are not engaged in politics, I think it would be 0:26:17.109 --> 0:26:19.629 fascinating to know, and I think the Dean should be 0:26:19.630 --> 0:26:23.110 interested in that as well, because he has to be 0:26:23.109 --> 0:26:26.439 a bit of a sponge to criticism. And as I 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.560 said in the last episode, he doesn't have a glass jaw. 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.590 He doesn't mind, he doesn't want to be everyone's friend. 0:26:32.590 --> 0:26:35.170 But I think he does need to listen very carefully 0:26:35.170 --> 0:26:39.340 to those perceptions, because once they build up in the community, 0:26:39.340 --> 0:26:41.380 and I think this is a problem for Rebecca White, 0:26:41.380 --> 0:26:44.439 once people have an idea of of who you are, 0:26:44.470 --> 0:26:46.540 that's very, very hard to change. Very hard to. 0:26:46.540 --> 0:26:49.240 Change. Yeah. Well, well, I think I think he's on 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.700 the right path and I think give it six months 0:26:51.700 --> 0:26:54.609 and we'll see where he's at. Looking at the reshuffle, 0:26:54.609 --> 0:26:56.379 from my point of view, I. 0:26:56.380 --> 0:26:57.520 I were a bit disappointed. 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.650 I was, I was and. 0:26:59.650 --> 0:27:02.139 In the sense that you barracking for labor, to be clear. 0:27:02.140 --> 0:27:05.800 Well, yeah. Well, I just think, um, and I caught 0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.740 up with Dean earlier this week and I didn't give 0:27:08.740 --> 0:27:12.220 him any feedback on the, on the, uh, shadow cabinet. 0:27:12.340 --> 0:27:13.750 Preferred to do it from a distance. 0:27:13.750 --> 0:27:15.730 Well, I'm going to do it on air, which is, 0:27:15.730 --> 0:27:17.830 you know, a bit, a bit too faced of me. 0:27:17.830 --> 0:27:22.450 But anyhow, listen, um, uh, you know, look, putting Ella 0:27:22.570 --> 0:27:25.810 Haddad into health, I mean, Ella's one of the best 0:27:25.810 --> 0:27:29.170 brains they've got in the in the labor front bench, 0:27:29.170 --> 0:27:31.510 and she's going to be buried in health and she's 0:27:31.510 --> 0:27:33.129 putting a brave face on it. She's going to give 0:27:33.130 --> 0:27:35.440 it a go. I just I don't know whether that's 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.860 where you put some of your best talent. Josh. Uh, 0:27:38.859 --> 0:27:42.190 into Treasury. Well, that's going to be hard work for Josh. 0:27:42.190 --> 0:27:44.530 He's going to have to work very hard to win 0:27:44.530 --> 0:27:46.240 the respect of the business community. 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.310 I've got to have to be a bit more visible 0:27:48.310 --> 0:27:50.200 than he was as shadow education minister. 0:27:50.350 --> 0:27:52.149 And he's actually going to have to be out and about, 0:27:52.150 --> 0:27:54.070 and he's going to have to be seen. So I 0:27:54.070 --> 0:27:57.669 look forward to catching up with you soon. Josh. Shane, um, 0:27:57.670 --> 0:28:00.880 you know, Shane Broad got a significant demotion, as far 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.730 as I can see. I sort of get why I, um, 0:28:03.790 --> 0:28:05.800 I do think with a bit more time. 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:07.240 Well, you did cock up the cost. 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.119 Yeah, I know, look, I appreciate that that occurred. I 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.910 just think with a bit more time, he he he 0:28:12.940 --> 0:28:15.250 he he has a lot to offer, I suppose is 0:28:15.250 --> 0:28:18.430 my view. Um, and I can only encourage him to 0:28:18.430 --> 0:28:21.790 keep going. Um, it'll be interesting to see how Luke 0:28:21.790 --> 0:28:24.670 Edmonds goes. He's picked up a couple of portfolios sort 0:28:24.670 --> 0:28:28.300 of around sort of sort of junior portfolios and shadow finance. 0:28:28.300 --> 0:28:31.719 So he's got quite an opportunity there. Janey's got energy. 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.639 I've got a lot of time for Janey Finley. I 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.550 think she's a great operator. I definitely got to know 0:28:36.550 --> 0:28:39.640 really well during the state the recent state election. And 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:44.140 she is the Energizer bunny 100%. She's fantastic. But I've 0:28:44.140 --> 0:28:47.560 got to say, Dean has always had a passion for energy. 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:51.490 I think it is the most important portfolio in Tasmania 0:28:51.490 --> 0:28:54.400 at this point. That's my view in terms of our long, 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:58.030 our medium to long term economic prosperity is tied to energy. 0:28:58.030 --> 0:29:00.370 It always has been. It's such a it's you know, 0:29:00.370 --> 0:29:03.190 it's just Tasmania's sort of I don't know, it's just 0:29:03.190 --> 0:29:06.340 where we sit. And so I just to lose energy 0:29:06.340 --> 0:29:09.310 from Dean to Janie. Janie is already working at it. 0:29:09.310 --> 0:29:10.780 She's already sent me a note saying, I want to 0:29:10.780 --> 0:29:12.010 catch up. I want to chat to a few of 0:29:12.010 --> 0:29:15.130 the people you work with beach, which is great, and 0:29:15.130 --> 0:29:17.890 I will work very closely with Janie, but I'm also 0:29:17.890 --> 0:29:19.630 I just think Dean's got to take a bit of 0:29:19.630 --> 0:29:21.010 a role in that as well. 0:29:21.010 --> 0:29:23.740 So I think as leader, he naturally will he and 0:29:23.740 --> 0:29:26.680 he probably because he, he and Janie get on very well. 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.690 I think he maybe sees that as working together as 0:29:28.690 --> 0:29:30.640 a bit of a team, I think. So sharing the 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.880 love a bit because he wants to make energy obviously 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.280 a big priority for what he does. So more hands on, 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.219 you know, having an ally or colleague that knows it 0:29:39.220 --> 0:29:41.680 as well will be handy. So I sort of get 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.140 what you're saying, but I don't think he'll, um, wash 0:29:44.140 --> 0:29:44.830 his hands of any. 0:29:44.830 --> 0:29:46.600 No, no. And I and that's the one thing I 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:48.520 did chat to him about was to say, look, you know, 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.260 on energy, I still want to I still want to 0:29:50.260 --> 0:29:52.240 be able to interact with you. And I think you're dead. Right. 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.670 I think it'll be a much more inclusive approach around 0:29:54.670 --> 0:29:58.150 that portfolio. But I suppose I suppose from my point 0:29:58.150 --> 0:30:00.850 of view, it'll be interesting to see how everybody goes. 0:30:00.850 --> 0:30:03.580 You know, they've all got a great opportunity across the 0:30:03.580 --> 0:30:07.000 across the shadow cabinet to really get out there and shine. 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:11.620 And there was some criticism during the election campaign or 0:30:11.620 --> 0:30:14.020 at the tail of the election campaign about labor being 0:30:14.020 --> 0:30:16.959 quite risk averse and unwilling to adopt new policies and 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:18.520 do those kind of things. I talked about it a 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.970 lot on air about them just having a crack and 0:30:21.970 --> 0:30:26.230 and they're going to get things wrong. Right? That's quite clear. 0:30:26.230 --> 0:30:28.330 But they're going to get things right. And they should 0:30:28.330 --> 0:30:30.280 just have a red hot tilt, and they should have 0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.250 a red hot tilt from today or from this week. 0:30:33.250 --> 0:30:35.860 Dean should and he is. And they should treat every 0:30:35.860 --> 0:30:38.860 day from today as a day of the campaign to 0:30:38.860 --> 0:30:39.910 get re-elected. 0:30:39.910 --> 0:30:43.750 I think putting Ella in health is actually tactically quite smart, 0:30:43.750 --> 0:30:45.760 because I think she's probably got the best relationship with 0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:49.030 some of those left wing unions, so she might be 0:30:49.030 --> 0:30:51.940 able to repair some damage there with, you know, because 0:30:51.940 --> 0:30:54.760 hacksaw and, and EMF, obviously the front line of when 0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.800 we're talking in the media about health and I think 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.470 that they've got time for Ella, especially Hacksoo. So I 0:30:59.470 --> 0:31:03.240 think that's probably smart. They're in a nice foil to 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:04.980 to the government. Um, I. 0:31:04.980 --> 0:31:05.430 Mean. 0:31:05.610 --> 0:31:07.950 Health is Labor's strong suit. 0:31:07.950 --> 0:31:10.350 It should be. Absolutely. It wasn't in the campaign. 0:31:10.470 --> 0:31:13.920 No. And and it wasn't back in 2018 either. Yeah. 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.020 You know, like Brad and I argue about pokies, we 0:31:16.020 --> 0:31:18.840 won't bring that up again. But when that issue by 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.530 issue poll came out, we had, I thought, a very 0:31:22.530 --> 0:31:26.160 effective term with the Rebecca White as shadow health minister. 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.080 And when people were polled, who do you trust more 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.080 to run health? The liberals were ahead. Um, despite a 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.500 term of bad headlines. Yeah. It's a big problem for 0:31:34.500 --> 0:31:36.360 labor how they turn that around and I don't know 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:37.410 how they do it. Well. 0:31:37.410 --> 0:31:39.330 Well, I'm not sure they turn it around with their labor. 0:31:39.330 --> 0:31:41.430 I'll come to that. But, um, the problem they had 0:31:41.430 --> 0:31:43.620 in the last the recent election campaign with their health 0:31:43.620 --> 0:31:46.200 policies and I think it was the same problem in 2018, 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.810 different in 2021, because they had Bastian, who was a 0:31:48.810 --> 0:31:52.320 star in that space. Was that the health policies, if 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.340 you look at them closely, were all about the workers. 0:31:56.340 --> 0:32:00.390 They're all about the unions. They were all about looking 0:32:00.390 --> 0:32:05.040 after better pay, more permanency, etc., etc. for the staff 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.950 in the health system. And there was very little about 0:32:07.950 --> 0:32:10.380 the actual patients. Yes. So libs come out and say 0:32:10.380 --> 0:32:11.970 we're just going to ban ramping because that's going to 0:32:11.970 --> 0:32:14.460 help the patients and that gets way more cut through 0:32:14.460 --> 0:32:16.890 and interest. Then it's like we're going to make 500 0:32:16.890 --> 0:32:19.380 health workers permanent. It's like great for the workers, great 0:32:19.380 --> 0:32:22.410 for the unions, but for the punters, how's that helping me? 0:32:22.530 --> 0:32:23.969 And that was their issue, I think. 0:32:23.970 --> 0:32:26.490 And AJ, you know, from working in commercial TV, I 0:32:26.490 --> 0:32:29.640 know as a former commercial TV, um, hack of some 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.280 description that health rates hack. 0:32:32.670 --> 0:32:36.150 Yeah. Well I, I'm not sure what there's a voracious 0:32:36.150 --> 0:32:38.910 appetite out there for, but it's certainly an interesting issue 0:32:38.910 --> 0:32:43.230 because everyone has a relationship with the health system. Um, 0:32:43.350 --> 0:32:46.500 I mean, I take Brad's point. Yeah. Okay. But the 0:32:46.500 --> 0:32:49.260 feedback everyone gives when they talk about health on commercial 0:32:49.260 --> 0:32:53.460 radio or ABC radio is I had a wonderful experience 0:32:53.460 --> 0:32:56.100 with the nurses. I wish they were looked after better. 0:32:56.100 --> 0:32:58.979 So there is a people do want the workforce to 0:32:58.980 --> 0:33:02.520 be stronger and paid well, but also the things that 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:06.060 are like affect their grandpa or grandma I think they 0:33:06.060 --> 0:33:06.690 want as well. 0:33:06.690 --> 0:33:11.220 I just think their yeah, their policies have been misdirected. Um, anyway, um, 0:33:11.220 --> 0:33:16.740 on Dean, um, very impressive start. Uh, in my view, um, 0:33:16.740 --> 0:33:20.550 he's demonstrated absolutely why the Premier was correct to call 0:33:20.550 --> 0:33:24.480 an election while Rebecca was still in the chair. Absolutely. 100% 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.660 vindicated in that call, because if labor had have woken 0:33:27.660 --> 0:33:30.510 up and have had have made that change prior to 0:33:30.510 --> 0:33:31.650 the election and they. 0:33:31.650 --> 0:33:32.400 Were they were. 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:33.840 Advised then we would do you. 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:37.020 Know that there's no evidence of that. I'm not necessarily 0:33:37.020 --> 0:33:37.590 arguing with you. 0:33:37.590 --> 0:33:42.300 But in my view, well, I think well, one, the 0:33:42.300 --> 0:33:45.060 evidence of the election campaign shows that our labor was 0:33:45.060 --> 0:33:48.330 unelectable under Miss Wyatt. That's a fact. Evidence shows that. 0:33:48.330 --> 0:33:51.480 And second evidence in my mind of the way that 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:55.050 Dean has started this job shows that he absolutely gets 0:33:55.050 --> 0:33:58.740 it and absolutely would have been and will be a 0:33:58.740 --> 0:34:03.630 very formidable opponent. He's been relentlessly on messaging only one week. Yeah, 0:34:03.630 --> 0:34:05.010 but relentlessly on message. 0:34:05.010 --> 0:34:07.500 What does he do on an issue like the stadium though? 0:34:07.500 --> 0:34:10.770 So yesterday the debate was around the goods shed. How 0:34:10.770 --> 0:34:15.180 do you move the goods shed. And Dean listed all 0:34:15.180 --> 0:34:18.600 the problems with Macquarie Point. Now he made some very 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:23.550 strong points but on the news very negative. Look like 0:34:23.550 --> 0:34:26.010 he didn't think it was going to go ahead. How 0:34:26.010 --> 0:34:28.290 does he navigate that. So when he's on the news 0:34:28.290 --> 0:34:31.049 he doesn't look like he's just complaining about things. He 0:34:31.050 --> 0:34:32.520 looks like he's a premier in waiting. 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:35.100 Well I didn't see that one. But I mean, I 0:34:35.100 --> 0:34:36.839 think we've already discussed he needs to come in and 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.000 back the stadium, uh, very quickly. And I think he's 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.370 going to I mean, I listened to his interview the 0:34:41.370 --> 0:34:43.950 other day on, on the ABC. I'm prepared to mention them, 0:34:43.950 --> 0:34:46.770 even if they don't mention us. Beach. That's, um. That's twice. 0:34:46.860 --> 0:34:51.510 That's right. Um. Mention who? Sorry, ABC. ABC mentioned you 0:34:51.510 --> 0:34:52.110 guys once. 0:34:52.110 --> 0:34:53.070 They played Brad in the. 0:34:53.070 --> 0:34:54.120 Afternoon. Oh. 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.270 Did they. Oh they did. They were very straightforward about 0:34:57.270 --> 0:34:58.770 where their audio is coming from anyway. 0:34:58.770 --> 0:35:04.350 Anyway, that's. Hello, David Riley. Um, as I was saying, um, 0:35:04.350 --> 0:35:08.310 distracted by the ABC, um, Dean was on the ABC, um, 0:35:08.310 --> 0:35:12.000 and he was very strong, uh, talking about jobs and 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.100 not playing politics. He got offered a free kick on 0:35:14.100 --> 0:35:16.950 the Lambie stuff and didn't go there, which I'm sure 0:35:16.950 --> 0:35:19.530 that his predecessor would have been down that sort of 0:35:19.530 --> 0:35:21.899 road three days earlier, running that same sort of left 0:35:21.900 --> 0:35:25.319 wing attack. Um, and it was very clearly in my mind, 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:31.050 positioning himself to, to back the stadium, um, because of jobs, jobs, jobs, 0:35:31.050 --> 0:35:33.060 because it's all part of his bigger narrative. And so 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.540 I was very, very impressed. I've been very impressed with him. Um, 0:35:36.540 --> 0:35:38.879 a little perplexed by the shadow cabinet. Um, not quite 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:43.049 sure why. Well, I'm not sure why you would, um, uh, 0:35:43.050 --> 0:35:48.000 reward your Biggest Loser, uh, with the prize portfolio of 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.780 shadow attorney general. And in the process, punish the biggest. 0:35:51.780 --> 0:35:53.910 Loser, Rebecca Walker. More votes than anyone else in the. 0:35:53.910 --> 0:35:56.070 Labor Party makes the Biggest Loser in my mind. Why? 0:35:56.070 --> 0:35:59.370 We reward her with a with a plum shadow. 0:35:59.370 --> 0:36:01.290 Now she's not leader. You've got to get over this. 0:36:01.620 --> 0:36:02.370 I don't know what. 0:36:02.370 --> 0:36:03.989 Plum Shadow portfolio and. 0:36:03.989 --> 0:36:06.210 Someone who looked like Rebecca White not dance with you 0:36:06.210 --> 0:36:07.920 at the formal or something like, I think you've got 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:09.900 to get over this Rebecca White hate. Now, she's. 0:36:09.900 --> 0:36:11.339 Not the leader. I don't have any hate. I'm just 0:36:11.340 --> 0:36:13.590 making a point that they would reward her with the 0:36:13.590 --> 0:36:17.190 Plum shadow portfolio and take it away from Ella Haddad. 0:36:17.219 --> 0:36:19.049 The shadow attorney general. 0:36:19.050 --> 0:36:24.150 Plum, uh, because it is an important high profile portfolio. 0:36:24.150 --> 0:36:28.800 Take that away from her. Um, give that to, um, 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:32.700 Rebecca and reward Ella for being the second top vote 0:36:32.700 --> 0:36:34.620 getter in the Labor Party. At least. At least the 0:36:34.620 --> 0:36:37.890 top vote getter in in Clark, uh, with with a 0:36:37.890 --> 0:36:40.380 very difficult portfolio, then make a sort of stand in 0:36:40.380 --> 0:36:42.900 a hostage video on on down there on, um, the 0:36:42.900 --> 0:36:45.480 waterfront sort of agreeing to it. I just find that 0:36:45.660 --> 0:36:48.360 a bizarre I don't understand the Labor Party, but that 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:49.950 would not have happened in the Liberal Party. 0:36:49.950 --> 0:36:51.960 Well, I don't agree. I mean, Shadow Health is the 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:53.910 biggest one because she's going to get on the news. 0:36:53.910 --> 0:36:56.640 The most. Shadow attorney general very rarely gets on the news. 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.260 Looking forward to, you know. 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.989 Shadow health ministers on the news 2 or 3 times 0:37:00.989 --> 0:37:01.290 a week. 0:37:01.380 --> 0:37:04.530 And she'll be she'll be pigeonholed as whingeing Ella within 0:37:04.530 --> 0:37:06.240 about three months. This is the trouble. 0:37:06.330 --> 0:37:09.900 Yeah. What the history of shadow health ministers haven't gone 0:37:09.900 --> 0:37:10.589 very well. 0:37:12.030 --> 0:37:13.109 Generally not. 0:37:13.290 --> 0:37:14.609 Well, I don't agree with that. 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:15.210 One other thing. 0:37:15.210 --> 0:37:17.819 Jeremy Rockliff was a shadow health minister. He was. Now 0:37:17.820 --> 0:37:18.540 he's the premier. 0:37:18.540 --> 0:37:19.469 Yeah, he's he's just. 0:37:19.469 --> 0:37:20.040 Won an election. 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:23.070 He's done very well. He has. You're right. Um, speaking 0:37:23.070 --> 0:37:24.660 of shadow ministers, there's one we haven't mentioned. 0:37:24.660 --> 0:37:25.380 Brett Whiteley as. 0:37:25.380 --> 0:37:26.880 Well. But don't go there. 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:28.530 More middle of the road. But anyway. 0:37:28.590 --> 0:37:29.939 He became a federal MP. 0:37:30.090 --> 0:37:30.960 Yeah, exactly. 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.950 Michelle O'Byrne. Very light load. Very very light load. Yeah. 0:37:34.950 --> 0:37:36.900 Well I think we know the reason why. 0:37:36.900 --> 0:37:42.120 I think, uh, killer basically confirmed it last episode. And Brad, uh, 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:45.149 you and I have firmly have independently firmed it up 0:37:45.150 --> 0:37:50.010 since then. Michelle O'Byrne is definitely lining up for the speakership. 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.190 That would really shake things up in Parliament. Perhaps give 0:37:53.190 --> 0:37:56.220 the left a consolidation prize, at least. 0:37:56.219 --> 0:37:57.149 Consolation. 0:37:57.330 --> 0:38:02.069 Consolation? Yeah, the booby prize. 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.020 I want to hear about the speaker, but I've got 0:38:04.020 --> 0:38:07.260 to take umbrage with Brad. Light load, economic development, children 0:38:07.260 --> 0:38:10.259 and youth, community services, women, heritage and arts. Children and 0:38:10.260 --> 0:38:12.870 youth is probably one of the hottest issues in the 0:38:12.870 --> 0:38:14.969 state at the moment. Off the back of the CI, 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:16.230 she was the light load. 0:38:16.230 --> 0:38:20.070 She was their top vote getter in bass beat Janey Findlay. 0:38:20.219 --> 0:38:22.740 If she had have run for leader that she would 0:38:22.739 --> 0:38:26.520 have won for leader. Correct. And and she's now got 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:30.330 a few portfolios that can easily be reallocated when she gets, uh, 0:38:30.330 --> 0:38:33.390 placed into the chair. Which, which the point is, is 0:38:33.390 --> 0:38:37.650 absolutely the plan. And I do not see at this 0:38:37.650 --> 0:38:41.400 point how that actually does not happen if you take 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.989 ten labors, the maths, do the maths, ten labors, five greens, 0:38:45.989 --> 0:38:48.390 I can do with them on this one. That's 15 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:52.740 add in, um, uh, Miss Johnston and, uh, let's let's 0:38:52.739 --> 0:38:58.110 assume Mr. Garland also supports her. That's 17. Even if 0:38:58.110 --> 0:39:00.690 the three lambie's hold with the libs and hold with shelter, 0:39:00.780 --> 0:39:02.819 which which is not written into the agreement. But let's 0:39:02.820 --> 0:39:06.720 assume they do that. Um, that just needs some random 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.150 bloke in Franklin who might be related to Michelle to 0:39:09.150 --> 0:39:10.890 vote for her. And she gets the job. 0:39:11.070 --> 0:39:12.239 Yeah, yeah. 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:16.379 So I cannot see how it doesn't happen, quite frankly. And, um, 0:39:16.500 --> 0:39:19.770 if if that is what she wants and I gather 0:39:19.770 --> 0:39:23.970 she does. Um, and so, um, my advice to the, 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.370 to the Liberal Party, to what extent or the government, 0:39:26.370 --> 0:39:28.770 to what extent they listen to me these days. Beaches. Um, 0:39:28.770 --> 0:39:33.480 who knows? Um, you know, um, sorry, Schultz, you've been 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.670 an excellent speaker. You've done a great job, but we 0:39:35.670 --> 0:39:37.050 don't want to put you up for a vote that 0:39:37.050 --> 0:39:39.000 we're going to lose on the very first day of 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.050 Parliament resuming. 0:39:40.590 --> 0:39:44.250 Very interesting. Well, I can't I was only pushing back 0:39:44.250 --> 0:39:45.750 on the fact you said she had a light load, 0:39:45.750 --> 0:39:48.120 because I thought, that's quite a good list of portfolios, 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.850 but I can't agree. I disagree with any of that. 0:39:50.850 --> 0:39:53.070 That seems like logic to me. Of course, David Oberm 0:39:53.070 --> 0:39:58.500 would vote for, um, his sister. Um, maybe. Yeah, I 0:39:58.500 --> 0:40:01.740 can't see. I can't see that not happening. Then you've 0:40:01.739 --> 0:40:02.790 made a good case. Well, I. 0:40:02.790 --> 0:40:05.370 Sort of I've reflected on most minority governments, and the 0:40:05.370 --> 0:40:07.740 first thing you do to flex a bit of power 0:40:07.739 --> 0:40:11.129 on a minority government is, is boot the speaker and 0:40:11.130 --> 0:40:13.230 get the speaker in. You want to fire a shot 0:40:13.230 --> 0:40:15.150 across the bow of government and say, you've got to 0:40:15.150 --> 0:40:16.830 keep on your toes. And I don't see why this 0:40:16.830 --> 0:40:19.410 government will be any different. And I think you're right, Brad. 0:40:19.410 --> 0:40:22.230 If the government actually sucked it up and accepted that 0:40:22.230 --> 0:40:24.810 that was going to happen, then probably would avoid an 0:40:24.810 --> 0:40:29.160 embarrassing vote. But the symbolism, the symbolism of having Michelle 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.230 in that role will not be lost for anybody. 0:40:31.230 --> 0:40:33.419 Oh and practical. Well, as well, I mean, it will 0:40:33.420 --> 0:40:36.030 make for a very different Parliament when you have the 0:40:36.030 --> 0:40:38.700 most important position in the Parliament controlled by the opposition. 0:40:38.700 --> 0:40:41.490 Yeah. And the next question goes to the member for Franklin, 0:40:41.489 --> 0:40:42.450 David O'Byrne. 0:40:42.450 --> 0:40:43.050 And then next. 0:40:43.050 --> 0:40:45.779 One as well goes to the member for Franklin. David. 0:40:45.900 --> 0:40:50.580 Oh, sorry. I only had six prepared. Um, um, how 0:40:50.580 --> 0:40:53.370 are you today? My question is to the speaker. Are 0:40:53.370 --> 0:40:56.339 you what? Well, what should we get? Uh. 0:40:56.670 --> 0:40:59.730 Anyhow? Look, good. Good, good on him. Uh, I think 0:40:59.730 --> 0:41:02.009 I think it'll be great. And it sort of gets 0:41:02.010 --> 0:41:05.670 to my point about Parliament, about the government we're facing 0:41:05.670 --> 0:41:07.980 and about it will be what it will be. 0:41:07.980 --> 0:41:10.590 And we shouldn't suggest that if Monsieur does get the job, 0:41:10.590 --> 0:41:13.560 that she won't be in any way. Absolutely not fair 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.500 or non-partisan in that role. I mean, I think Craig 0:41:16.500 --> 0:41:19.020 has demonstrated as the Labor speaker, labor present in the 0:41:19.020 --> 0:41:22.320 upper house, Craig Farrell, first one ever. I think that 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.200 you can do those jobs independently. And yeah, no. 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:29.280 I was only being being silly about the, uh, sibling 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:32.430 love there. Uh, obviously they are very close, but, um, 0:41:32.430 --> 0:41:34.740 it was very funny. No, I think that she would 0:41:34.739 --> 0:41:36.989 be an excellent speaker, you know, obviously been around for 0:41:36.989 --> 0:41:39.540 a long time, knows the rules very well. You know, 0:41:39.540 --> 0:41:44.190 Mark shorten was pretty fair, but I think I yeah, 0:41:44.190 --> 0:41:48.509 I think the liberals would sort of got away with, uh, 0:41:48.510 --> 0:41:52.170 a bit under, uh, Schultz, I think and I think 0:41:52.170 --> 0:41:55.620 Michelle would make it pretty clear early that she was independent. 0:41:55.620 --> 0:41:57.870 She would fire a few shots at labor as well. And, 0:41:57.989 --> 0:42:01.620 you know, obviously might enjoy that, might enjoy that. Yeah. Um, 0:42:01.620 --> 0:42:03.930 putting a few people back in their seat, I think 0:42:03.930 --> 0:42:05.730 she'd be keen to show very early on that she'd 0:42:05.730 --> 0:42:09.480 be a very impartial speaker. But, um, it would be fun, 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.880 I think. Yeah, I mean, I'm. I'm excited at the 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:12.810 prospect of it. 0:42:12.810 --> 0:42:18.390 Well, speaking of bizarre internal sort of machinations, let's have 0:42:18.390 --> 0:42:21.240 a chat about what's going on inside the Liberal Party 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:24.360 at the moment. The apparent expulsion of Clarence Mayor and 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:29.910 the Franklin electorate chair Brendan Blomeley. AJ, what's what's the 0:42:29.910 --> 0:42:32.640 background to this and where's this one going to end? 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.130 Is this a chance for me to brush off my 0:42:35.130 --> 0:42:39.390 Eric Abetz again? No. Um, please. So if you haven't 0:42:39.390 --> 0:42:42.480 been following it and Brad might correct me if I'm wrong, 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:47.489 but Brendan Blomeley during uh, the campaign didn't rule out 0:42:47.489 --> 0:42:50.280 straight away that he would have maybe ran as an 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:54.540 independent and looked in his defense. It didn't simmer in 0:42:54.540 --> 0:42:57.660 the public debate for long. I think it was only overnight. 0:42:57.660 --> 0:42:58.680 And then the next day. 0:42:58.800 --> 0:42:59.370 About three days, I. 0:42:59.370 --> 0:43:02.190 Think about three. Okay, well, we'll see which side Brad's on. 0:43:02.190 --> 0:43:05.130 But anyway, no, um, and then he said, no, I'm 0:43:05.130 --> 0:43:07.140 not going to run as an independent and ruled it out. 0:43:07.140 --> 0:43:11.310 And obviously the party, um, didn't like that very much. 0:43:11.310 --> 0:43:16.230 And Michael McKenna, the president, he, um, expelled him and 0:43:16.230 --> 0:43:18.180 backdated it to the day that he said it. Is 0:43:18.180 --> 0:43:22.620 that right? Correct. So, um, as far as the party 0:43:22.620 --> 0:43:25.230 was concerned, that was see you later, Brendan Blomeley. But 0:43:25.230 --> 0:43:27.240 of course, Brendan Blomeley has a lot of allies in 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:29.190 the Liberal Party, including Eric Abetz. 0:43:29.219 --> 0:43:31.259 One anyway. Yeah, one powerful one. 0:43:31.260 --> 0:43:34.470 One powerful one. Yeah. And then they assembled at the, uh, 0:43:34.469 --> 0:43:37.020 Bellerive Yacht Club the other night and I think unanimously 0:43:37.020 --> 0:43:37.860 decided that. 0:43:37.860 --> 0:43:41.310 Did they or was it if a, if a tree 0:43:41.310 --> 0:43:43.050 falls in the forest and no one hears it, if 0:43:43.050 --> 0:43:45.810 a meeting happens and it allegedly isn't a real meeting, 0:43:45.810 --> 0:43:47.040 what does it happen? Well, I don't know. 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:48.240 You don't think the meeting went ahead? 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.850 Well, it happened, but did it happen like was it 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:52.500 was it an actual meeting of the Liberal Party, or 0:43:52.500 --> 0:43:55.350 was it just a group of random people gathering together? 0:43:55.530 --> 0:43:56.100 That's where we. 0:43:56.310 --> 0:43:59.430 This is where we defer to your knowledge. But, you know, 0:43:59.430 --> 0:44:01.740 according to those on Mr. Bromley's side, they send a 0:44:01.739 --> 0:44:06.900 resounding message that they don't have confidence in, in the president. So, uh, 0:44:06.900 --> 0:44:09.239 I spoke to Brendan Blomeley the other day about a 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.180 non-political thing because, of course, he was caught up, well, 0:44:12.180 --> 0:44:17.610 very close to that awful, um, events in Sydney last weekend. But, um, 0:44:18.180 --> 0:44:21.690 he seemed to tell me that he. Well, we'll see 0:44:21.690 --> 0:44:23.790 what happens next. I guess he didn't. He kept his 0:44:23.790 --> 0:44:25.529 cards pretty close to his chest. What do you think 0:44:25.530 --> 0:44:27.270 will happen, Brad? Will they bring him back in? If 0:44:27.270 --> 0:44:31.170 he was to reapply as a member, would he be 0:44:31.170 --> 0:44:33.120 allowed to sign up again? 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.520 I reckon he would, but I don't see him doing it, 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:38.040 because that would be to admit that he had been 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.649 ejected in the first place. So I think that's an 0:44:40.650 --> 0:44:43.650 unlikely course of action. Look, I think this was a 0:44:43.650 --> 0:44:47.879 case of Brendan's ego getting ahead of his brain and 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.820 then of a similar thing happening with with the president. Mr. McKenna, 0:44:50.820 --> 0:44:54.540 quite frankly, um, my mind is no doubt Brendan made 0:44:54.540 --> 0:44:58.830 a mistake when he let that public commentary run during 0:44:58.830 --> 0:45:01.620 the campaign. No matter which way you look at it, 0:45:01.620 --> 0:45:04.140 for a member of the Liberal Party executive would have 0:45:04.140 --> 0:45:07.950 been the same with the Labor Party to publicly contemplate 0:45:07.950 --> 0:45:12.270 running against your own party in an election. Uh, is, 0:45:12.540 --> 0:45:16.230 to be frank, grossly disloyal. Uh, there's no other way 0:45:16.230 --> 0:45:18.930 of looking at it. But having said that, and of course, 0:45:18.930 --> 0:45:20.879 you never had a chance of winning the seat was 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.010 never going to happen. Not when not when you look 0:45:23.010 --> 0:45:26.040 at the field in Franklin in particular. But having said that, 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.620 I do think that the reaction was. 0:45:28.980 --> 0:45:30.779 Uh, heavy handed. 0:45:30.780 --> 0:45:34.410 Not well thought through. Yes. And it would be much better. 0:45:34.410 --> 0:45:36.840 I think both of them would be well advised to 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.509 to sit down and work out their differences in an 0:45:39.510 --> 0:45:42.540 amicable way, which allowed Brendan back into the party and 0:45:42.540 --> 0:45:45.870 perhaps on the way through he might, you know, if not, 0:45:45.870 --> 0:45:48.090 say sorry, at least admit that possibly he was a 0:45:48.090 --> 0:45:49.529 little rash in what he did. 0:45:49.530 --> 0:45:53.190 Labor's tried to bring the Premier into it by saying, uh, 0:45:53.190 --> 0:45:56.040 McKenna's rock cliffs, man. Is there truth in that? Are 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:56.850 they close? 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.820 No, I don't think that's true. Um, I think the 0:45:59.820 --> 0:46:04.739 bigger issue is, uh, that the new minister in the 0:46:04.739 --> 0:46:08.700 Rockliff government, uh, Mr. Abetz, is very active in this space, 0:46:08.700 --> 0:46:11.220 like he did go to the the meeting which. 0:46:11.460 --> 0:46:12.690 You're now saying it did happen. 0:46:12.690 --> 0:46:15.450 What I was trying to say, clearly not very, uh, 0:46:15.450 --> 0:46:20.490 clear way was the meeting was called by Brendan as 0:46:20.489 --> 0:46:24.060 nominally the chair of Franklin electorate. But according to Mr. McKenna, 0:46:24.060 --> 0:46:25.590 is no longer a member. The party. So he couldn't 0:46:25.590 --> 0:46:28.259 call the meeting. So my question was, it wasn't was 0:46:28.260 --> 0:46:30.480 it actually an official meeting, the Liberal Party, just a good. 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:31.560 Old catch up between. Well. 0:46:31.860 --> 0:46:35.430 That's the question. But the point is, uh, Mr. Abetz went, um, 0:46:35.820 --> 0:46:41.010 he's backing Brendan. That's fine as far as that goes. Um, 0:46:41.010 --> 0:46:44.490 but I do think there's a bigger problem with Eric, um, 0:46:44.700 --> 0:46:50.100 whereby he, uh, is now a a member of the parliament, 0:46:50.100 --> 0:46:55.080 a minister in the government, and is still, as I 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:59.610 understand it, a member of the Liberal Party, executive, deputy 0:46:59.610 --> 0:47:03.450 chair of Franklin. Now, um, I don't see how that 0:47:03.450 --> 0:47:07.350 is a sustainable position for him to maintain. There's a 0:47:07.350 --> 0:47:11.200 very clear difference between the, um, parliamentary. Wing of the 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.990 party and the administrative wing. Never shall the twain shall 0:47:13.989 --> 0:47:18.790 meet except for, um, the Premier or the Premier's nominee. Um, 0:47:18.790 --> 0:47:22.090 you know, when, uh, Simon Baracus was elected to Parliament 0:47:22.090 --> 0:47:24.730 last year on an account back or a recount, he 0:47:24.730 --> 0:47:30.040 resigned from the executive. Um, you know, I'll gather Eric's saying. Well, look, 0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:32.650 there's no explicit rule that I shouldn't be on the 0:47:32.650 --> 0:47:35.380 on the state executive. Doesn't say I should resign. But 0:47:35.380 --> 0:47:36.430 you know Eric. Well, he set. 0:47:36.430 --> 0:47:38.799 Himself the other day that the two shouldn't meet. When 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.109 he was interviewed outside government House, they asked him about 0:47:41.110 --> 0:47:44.260 the Blomeley affair. And he said that he's always had 0:47:44.260 --> 0:47:48.520 an opinion that the the parliamentary wing and the party 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.730 wing shouldn't overlap. So I think he knows that that's unsustainable. 0:47:51.730 --> 0:47:53.230 But we'll see whether he would assume. 0:47:53.230 --> 0:47:55.600 His resignation from the from the he's. 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:57.070 Had a bit on maybe just he's taking. 0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:59.230 His time to write the letter. I mean I mean 0:47:59.230 --> 0:48:00.940 as I understand it, he's saying, well, there's no explicit 0:48:00.940 --> 0:48:03.400 thing that I should resign. Um, it shouldn't be on it. 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.670 But I mean, you know, uh, the cabinet isn't explicitly 0:48:06.670 --> 0:48:08.799 defined in the Constitution Act either, but he's a member 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.500 of that. I mean, I just think it would be 0:48:11.500 --> 0:48:14.200 wise for him to to choose his path. And I 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:16.360 think he will be a very good minister and a 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.420 very good member of Parliament and, um, uh, focus on 0:48:19.450 --> 0:48:23.230 that rather than trying to have a foot in both camps. 0:48:23.710 --> 0:48:26.020 Well, Brad, I don't think you'll be getting a Christmas 0:48:26.020 --> 0:48:27.520 card from Eric this year. 0:48:27.850 --> 0:48:29.080 They stopped a long time ago. 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:33.790 All right. All right, well, that's time. And Ottawa beckons. And, uh. 0:48:33.790 --> 0:48:34.629 Oh, that's where you're going. 0:48:34.630 --> 0:48:35.410 Yeah. That's correct. 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:35.740 Ottawa. 0:48:36.100 --> 0:48:37.239 Ottawa. Ottawa. 0:48:37.540 --> 0:48:38.920 Pen pal from Ottawa once. 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:43.060 There you go. Um, you've you've been listening to the forecast. 0:48:43.060 --> 0:48:46.270 The only place to get clear, honest, informed and most importantly, 0:48:46.270 --> 0:48:50.350 fearless analysis about Tasmanian politics. RJ, thanks for coming in. 0:48:50.530 --> 0:48:55.090 Beecher. May I just say that I hope you have 0:48:55.090 --> 0:49:00.280 a terrific time in Ottawa and when you come back, 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:05.350 I look forward to discussing transport issues with you. 0:49:05.350 --> 0:49:08.319 Fantastic. Well, I'm happy to give you a blow by 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.469 blow account of the impact of expanded polystyrene on the 0:49:11.469 --> 0:49:14.350 rest of the world. And, uh, Brad, as ever. 0:49:15.100 --> 0:49:17.530 Thank you. Beach. Thanks, RJ. Thanks, Sam. 0:49:17.530 --> 0:49:21.190 Don't forget to subscribe, rate, share or review on whatever 0:49:21.190 --> 0:49:24.250 podcast platform you listen to. 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