1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,870 Susie Chan: I just thought maybe I could do this. I didn't think I definitely can 2 00:00:03,870 --> 00:00:07,470 Susie Chan: do this, and that was enough for me to give it a go. So if 3 00:00:07,470 --> 00:00:09,420 Susie Chan: you have any sort of sense of adventure, or just trying to 4 00:00:09,750 --> 00:00:12,030 Susie Chan: do something which is a little bit out of your 5 00:00:12,030 --> 00:00:13,800 Susie Chan: comfort zone, just give it a go. 6 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:22,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hey, everybody, and welcome to Set the Pace, the official 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: podcast of New York Road Runners, presented by Peloton. I'm 8 00:00:26,070 --> 00:00:28,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: your host, Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of New York Road 9 00:00:28,350 --> 00:00:32,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: Runners. And with me week in, week out, my co- host, Peloton 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: instructor, and currently my coach, Becs Gentry. Hello, Becs, how 11 00:00:37,530 --> 00:00:37,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: are you? 12 00:00:37,740 --> 00:00:40,470 Becs Gentry: Hello. I'm good. How are you doing? 13 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:41,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm doing great. I feel really good. 14 00:00:41,971 --> 00:00:43,290 Becs Gentry: Okay, good. 15 00:00:43,290 --> 00:00:44,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: We'll talk about my training in a little bit. 16 00:00:44,970 --> 00:00:45,120 Becs Gentry: We will. 17 00:00:45,180 --> 00:00:50,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm feeling really, really good, and the weather has been 18 00:00:50,100 --> 00:00:51,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: nice around here lately. 19 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:52,380 Becs Gentry: Yes, finally. 20 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:55,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: God, it just cooled off a bit. The air quality's 21 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:59,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: not ideal with some of what's left, I guess, from 22 00:00:59,550 --> 00:01:01,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Canadian fires. You can see it in the air, 23 00:01:01,890 --> 00:01:04,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: but I don't know, it hasn't bothered me this year, 24 00:01:04,470 --> 00:01:07,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: as it was last year. I've been feeling pretty good, 25 00:01:07,470 --> 00:01:10,319 Rob Simmelkjaer: and we've had some good enough weather, I think a 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,569 Rob Simmelkjaer: lot of people have been feeling good with the running. 27 00:01:12,569 --> 00:01:13,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: What about you, have you been getting out? 28 00:01:14,190 --> 00:01:19,140 Becs Gentry: I have not. Today was my first run since last 29 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:21,541 Becs Gentry: Wednesday, so nearly a week of no running. 30 00:01:21,541 --> 00:01:21,542 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 31 00:01:21,542 --> 00:01:25,919 Becs Gentry: It was fantastic. Yeah, we went away to Canada actually, 32 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,310 Becs Gentry: we went to Lake Simcoe on Thursday, for a big 33 00:01:29,310 --> 00:01:34,230 Becs Gentry: family summer get- together. There's like 16 of us who 34 00:01:34,230 --> 00:01:37,920 Becs Gentry: go. And we just did water sports, so if I'm 35 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,170 Becs Gentry: honest, my back and shoulders and arms are really sore 36 00:01:43,260 --> 00:01:48,960 Becs Gentry: from wake surfing and paddleboarding and kayaking, all of the water 37 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,950 Becs Gentry: sports. So it was fantastic to do other things rather than 38 00:01:52,950 --> 00:01:53,790 Becs Gentry: the regular running. 39 00:01:54,090 --> 00:01:57,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: You are having a great summer, with the running that 40 00:01:57,330 --> 00:02:00,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: you do, obviously, is part of your job, but hey, 41 00:02:00,540 --> 00:02:04,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: you clearly deserve some time just running a little here and 42 00:02:04,470 --> 00:02:07,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: there, given all you've done. It seems really smart and 43 00:02:07,380 --> 00:02:10,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: healthy, and I love hearing that for you. It sounds 44 00:02:10,530 --> 00:02:13,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: amazing, and what's better than being in a lake doing 45 00:02:13,380 --> 00:02:13,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: a little water skiing. 46 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:17,970 Becs Gentry: Exactly. Yeah, it's funny because you get so tied up 47 00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:20,850 Becs Gentry: in running, as a runner. As somebody who is a 48 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:23,550 Becs Gentry: hobby runner, yes, it's part of my job, but I 49 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:26,880 Becs Gentry: love it too. And I don't do other things, I 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,639 Becs Gentry: just do running, and life's too short for that, for 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,730 Becs Gentry: me personally. Just being there on that lake, I could 52 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:34,560 Becs Gentry: have got up and went for a run. I took 53 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,530 Becs Gentry: my running stuff with me. I was in a beautiful location, but 54 00:02:37,590 --> 00:02:39,419 Becs Gentry: instead I was like, " You know what I want to 55 00:02:39,419 --> 00:02:42,360 Becs Gentry: do? I want to go for a paddleboard before Tallulah 56 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,600 Becs Gentry: wakes up, because I can. It's right there." We were 57 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,750 Becs Gentry: on the lake with a dock, and I can't do that 58 00:02:48,750 --> 00:02:50,220 Becs Gentry: in New York. I can go for a run in 59 00:02:50,220 --> 00:02:52,980 Becs Gentry: New York. So it's just that, to me, is shifting 60 00:02:52,980 --> 00:02:59,910 Becs Gentry: your mindset of use your fitness to enjoy other activities 61 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,660 Becs Gentry: when you're not training for stuff. It's been really lovely. 62 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:07,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love that. I actually love that. It's beautiful. I 63 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:10,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: played a little golf myself, for a couple days this 64 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:11,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: week, which I hadn't done much of lately. 65 00:03:14,010 --> 00:03:14,401 Becs Gentry: Good core workout. 66 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's not a lot of... Yeah, a good core workout. Definitely the twisting is good. 67 00:03:16,350 --> 00:03:16,410 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 68 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: I walked too, so a lot of time on feet, which was good, but 69 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:22,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: had to get back to the running pretty quickly. We'll 70 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:24,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: talk about that in a little bit. We had a 71 00:03:24,750 --> 00:03:28,889 Rob Simmelkjaer: nice day in Harlem this past weekend, the Percy Sutton 72 00:03:28,889 --> 00:03:33,959 Rob Simmelkjaer: Harlem 5K. The weather was so nice for the runners 73 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: in Harlem. It was so great to see, because that's 74 00:03:35,970 --> 00:03:38,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: been a hot race, as you can imagine, in August, 75 00:03:38,940 --> 00:03:41,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: up in Harlem, but it was a gorgeous day. On 76 00:03:41,820 --> 00:03:45,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: the men's side, Ryan Couch was the winner, 14: 58. Khia Kurtenbach 77 00:03:45,630 --> 00:03:50,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: on the women's side, 16: 49. Non- binary Jack Marley Payne, 78 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:54,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: 19:35. But I think the best part of the day, 79 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:57,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becs, is for New York Road Runners, this is such a 80 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: special event, because all of our programs are on beautiful 81 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:05,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: display at the Percy Sutton Harlem 5K. Not only did 82 00:04:05,790 --> 00:04:09,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: we have the race with 5, 000 runners, we had the 83 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:14,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: Run for the Future girls doing their big graduation 5K. 84 00:04:14,370 --> 00:04:18,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: This is a group of 50 young women, high school- aged, 85 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: rising for this fall, and none of them had ever 86 00:04:21,060 --> 00:04:23,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: really been runners before. They had been training with their 87 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:27,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: run buddies and their mentors all summer long, and they 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: graduate at the Percy Sutton Harlem 5K. And they did a phenomenal 89 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:34,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: job. As you know, that's a hard course, that race 90 00:04:34,260 --> 00:04:37,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: course, that's some really big hills there, especially in mile two, 91 00:04:37,770 --> 00:04:40,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: but they did a phenomenal job. And Becs, seeing the 92 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:44,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: look of pride on these girls' faces as they finished 93 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:47,099 Rob Simmelkjaer: this, and they got their medals, and posed for pictures, 94 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:51,029 Rob Simmelkjaer: it was awesome, and it's a beautiful program we have 95 00:04:51,029 --> 00:04:53,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: at New York Road Runners, so I really enjoyed seeing 96 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,229 Rob Simmelkjaer: them, hanging out with all of them before and after 97 00:04:55,230 --> 00:04:57,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: the race, and that was thrilling. And then we also 98 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: had races for all the kids. We had stage one, 99 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: two, and three races happening in Harlem, plus we had 100 00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:07,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: our Striders out there as well, our older adults doing 101 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: their walking thing. They walked a 1. 5- mile course, and 102 00:05:11,250 --> 00:05:15,299 Rob Simmelkjaer: it was the 15th anniversary celebration of the Striders program as 103 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:18,779 Rob Simmelkjaer: well. So it was just an awesome day for everything 104 00:05:18,779 --> 00:05:20,159 Rob Simmelkjaer: that we do at New York Road Runners. 105 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,990 Becs Gentry: Oh, I love all of the celebrations and all of the joy. What a perfect weekend. 106 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:31,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: Now, I was able to take a Saturday off. I 107 00:05:31,529 --> 00:05:33,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: did not run Harlem, because I did my long run 108 00:05:33,810 --> 00:05:36,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: on Friday, Becs, and I have to say it went 109 00:05:36,779 --> 00:05:40,409 Rob Simmelkjaer: pretty well. Becs had prescribed a 14- miler for me 110 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:44,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: last week. I did it on Friday morning, beautiful weather, 111 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: and it was good. I felt really good. I stayed, 112 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:50,339 Rob Simmelkjaer: more or less, at my marathon pace. This is one thing I 113 00:05:50,339 --> 00:05:52,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: wanted to talk to you about, which is pacing for 114 00:05:52,710 --> 00:05:56,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: long runs. Because when I had previously trained for marathons, 115 00:05:56,850 --> 00:05:59,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: most of my long runs were just at an easy 116 00:05:59,910 --> 00:06:04,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: pace. I really hadn't focused that much on pacing in 117 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:07,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: my long runs before, which probably was not a good 118 00:06:07,860 --> 00:06:10,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: thing. And so you gave me an assignment to run 119 00:06:10,980 --> 00:06:14,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: 14 miles at my marathon pace. I kind of alternated 120 00:06:14,610 --> 00:06:16,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: off that a little. I did about three miles at 121 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:18,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon pace, then slowed a bit, then another three at 122 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:21,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon pace, then slowed a bit. But I had some 123 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:24,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: really good sustained periods. I was actually a little faster 124 00:06:24,390 --> 00:06:27,089 Rob Simmelkjaer: than my marathon pace for most of those kind of 125 00:06:27,089 --> 00:06:29,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: pickups, which was good, but then I would drop back 126 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: a bit. Can you talk to runners out there about, 127 00:06:32,250 --> 00:06:35,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: for the long runs, for the most part, how much 128 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:38,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: should they be focused on running at that marathon pace? 129 00:06:38,910 --> 00:06:42,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: Should it be for the whole long run typically, should they be picking 130 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: out bits and pieces of two, three miles per push, 131 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:49,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: let's say? What do you really recommend? 132 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:52,380 Becs Gentry: I personally, and this is every coach is different, I 133 00:06:52,380 --> 00:06:56,670 Becs Gentry: personally prescribe my runners to run all their long runs 134 00:06:56,730 --> 00:07:00,510 Becs Gentry: at their goal marathon pace. You actually hit it. You 135 00:07:00,510 --> 00:07:02,039 Becs Gentry: were fine, even though you did some fast and some slow. 136 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:02,041 Rob Simmelkjaer: Net-net, I did. Yeah, net-net, I did, because my average was below. 137 00:07:02,041 --> 00:07:04,560 Becs Gentry: You did. Your average pace was- 138 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:05,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, just under eight minutes a mile. 139 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:09,989 Becs Gentry: I gave you 15- second window to fill it in. And that's 140 00:07:09,989 --> 00:07:13,710 Becs Gentry: the thing, is to me, it's more about offering a 141 00:07:13,710 --> 00:07:16,770 Becs Gentry: window of pace range for my runners on those long 142 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:19,830 Becs Gentry: runs so they get used to having a little bit 143 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:23,490 Becs Gentry: of variability. Now, the only time I would do something 144 00:07:23,490 --> 00:07:25,860 Becs Gentry: a bit different to that, would be for an advanced 145 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:29,700 Becs Gentry: runner who is looking to shave time off their previous 146 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:34,230 Becs Gentry: marathon finish time, and I would prescribe something more along 147 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:37,590 Becs Gentry: the lines of a tempo versus marathon run in their 148 00:07:37,590 --> 00:07:41,250 Becs Gentry: long run. It's pretty disgusting. It's the kind of workouts 149 00:07:41,250 --> 00:07:43,710 Becs Gentry: I did when I was training for the Olympic trials. 150 00:07:43,770 --> 00:07:46,260 Becs Gentry: It was mile at tempo, mile at marathon, mile at 151 00:07:46,260 --> 00:07:49,020 Becs Gentry: tempo, mile at marathon for up to 21 miles. It 152 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:53,880 Becs Gentry: was brutal, but it got my turnover so much stronger, 153 00:07:54,630 --> 00:07:57,780 Becs Gentry: not just that, it got my confidence stronger. So already, 154 00:07:57,780 --> 00:08:00,000 Becs Gentry: you already said that. You didn't mean to say it, 155 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,640 Becs Gentry: but you already said it in your description of your run, was " 156 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,460 Becs Gentry: I was actually faster than my marathon pace in one 157 00:08:05,460 --> 00:08:08,250 Becs Gentry: of them." So netting it out, if you'd have just 158 00:08:08,250 --> 00:08:12,420 Becs Gentry: stayed on a progressive run within that 15- second window, 159 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:15,150 Becs Gentry: you would've been fine because you have it in you. 160 00:08:15,570 --> 00:08:19,980 Becs Gentry: But sometimes just getting that marathon pace in every weekend 161 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,810 Becs Gentry: is all people need in their mind to be ready 162 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:28,710 Becs Gentry: to hit that 26.2 miles at their goal pace. And 163 00:08:29,940 --> 00:08:32,880 Becs Gentry: no shade to anyone who doesn't do this, I hate 164 00:08:33,210 --> 00:08:37,740 Becs Gentry: that some people prescribe marathon pace only for shorter runs, 165 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:40,410 Becs Gentry: because when people get to that start line, how on 166 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,950 Becs Gentry: Earth are they supposed to understand the discomfort of running 167 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:48,179 Becs Gentry: 26.2 miles at their goal pace if they have never 168 00:08:48,330 --> 00:08:53,940 Becs Gentry: run 26.2 miles, or near it, at a similar pace? 169 00:08:53,940 --> 00:08:55,980 Becs Gentry: It's just not fair in my mind. And I've run 170 00:08:55,980 --> 00:09:01,589 Becs Gentry: a fair few races to understand disappointment and discomfort, and 171 00:09:01,590 --> 00:09:05,370 Becs Gentry: you don't need to go into that setting people up 172 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:08,340 Becs Gentry: for discomfort. So as these weeks roll on, you've got 173 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:12,959 Becs Gentry: 16 at it this weekend, steady cruise, it's just about building 174 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,600 Becs Gentry: you, and you'll see that your weeks are not overloaded 175 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:19,530 Becs Gentry: with other things. Your workout, your speed workouts, for example, 176 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:23,760 Becs Gentry: aren't long and really, really demanding, they're just about pickup 177 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,699 Becs Gentry: and turnover, and the real focus is your long run, 178 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:29,040 Becs Gentry: because you're going for a hopeful time here. 179 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:33,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, I really like the approach. It's definitely something new 180 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: for me, but it makes sense. I mean, you know the 181 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:40,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: race environment is going to give you something extra, right? 182 00:09:40,890 --> 00:09:43,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: You're going to have a little more adrenaline, a little 183 00:09:43,530 --> 00:09:46,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: more speed, just from being in a race, but it 184 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:49,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: comes down to how much you're going to rely on 185 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:53,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: that race adrenaline fr on race day, right? Because you 186 00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:56,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: don't want to over rely on that. If your body 187 00:09:56,730 --> 00:10:01,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: hasn't done the work, hasn't done the 15 miles at 188 00:10:01,050 --> 00:10:05,609 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon pace to 20, 22 miles, yeah, I guess really the 189 00:10:05,610 --> 00:10:08,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: question is how can you expect it to do it 190 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: on marathon day? And so I know there's different philosophies of 191 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:15,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: how much, maybe it's pick up, drop back, pick up, 192 00:10:15,090 --> 00:10:18,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: drop back, but at least you've done long, long mileage 193 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: with a sustained amount of time at your marathon pace 194 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: so that you know it's in you. 195 00:10:23,850 --> 00:10:25,770 Becs Gentry: Yes, you do. You got to know it's in you. 196 00:10:26,670 --> 00:10:27,959 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. I really love it. 197 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:28,020 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 198 00:10:28,020 --> 00:10:31,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: The speed work went well this morning. I still had to go 199 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,199 Rob Simmelkjaer: out on the track. I still have not gotten myself onto 200 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,929 Rob Simmelkjaer: the treadmill, but it was better for me today. I 201 00:10:36,929 --> 00:10:39,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: felt better on the track. It was beautiful. Plus I 202 00:10:39,330 --> 00:10:40,949 Rob Simmelkjaer: got my daughter, Julia, to come out and do some 203 00:10:40,949 --> 00:10:44,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: speed work with me this morning, and that's definitely not happening than a treadmill. 204 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:48,449 Becs Gentry: That's so sweet. But they were longer efforts. When you're talking more 205 00:10:48,450 --> 00:10:52,500 Becs Gentry: like the shorter ones, that can be fun on the 206 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:54,330 Becs Gentry: tread. It can be fun on the track, as you say. 207 00:10:54,330 --> 00:10:58,439 Becs Gentry: As long as you get out and do it, I don't care. Get it done on the tread, 208 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,080 Becs Gentry: on the track, on the road, you do it, wherever 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:01,710 Becs Gentry: it takes you. 210 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: It was so much fun, so things going well from 211 00:11:04,890 --> 00:11:06,809 Rob Simmelkjaer: now. We will keep things going, and I'll keep you 212 00:11:06,809 --> 00:11:10,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: updated as I work towards Chicago. And of course, so 213 00:11:10,260 --> 00:11:13,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: many of you working towards the TCS New York City 214 00:11:13,050 --> 00:11:17,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon a few weeks after my run in early November. 215 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:19,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: Well, coming up on today's show, we have a colleague 216 00:11:19,980 --> 00:11:25,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: of Becs is truly amazing. Susie Chan, she runs in 217 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:30,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: deserts, she runs in jungle, she has run Badlands, and 218 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:32,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: she runs of course, on the treadmill with Becs at 219 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: Peloton. She just celebrated her 50th birthday, and it seems 220 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:39,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: she's just getting started. She's going to tell us all 221 00:11:39,090 --> 00:11:43,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: about her adventures and her book as well. Then our 222 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:46,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: friend, Meb Keflezighi, will be here with today's featured member, 223 00:11:46,530 --> 00:11:51,179 Rob Simmelkjaer: Margaret Schwartz. Margaret ran 20 consecutive TCS New York City 224 00:11:51,179 --> 00:11:54,809 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathons, but lately, she's decided to tread some new ground. 225 00:11:55,050 --> 00:11:57,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: She'll be here to tell us what she has learned 226 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: along the way. And we've got a special Meb Minute 227 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: with HSS today, the hospital for special surgery, Chrysta Irolla, director 228 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,599 Rob Simmelkjaer: of HSS's world- class Prosthetics and Orthotics service, is here 229 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: with expert tips on how to get the right shoes 230 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,589 Rob Simmelkjaer: and inserts to run more efficiently. 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Peloton, the official digital fitness partner 240 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: of New York Road Runners. Our guest today is British ultramarathon 241 00:12:53,370 --> 00:12:58,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: runner, and Becs' fellow Peloton tread instructor, Susie Chan. Susie 242 00:12:58,530 --> 00:13:01,319 Rob Simmelkjaer: didn't start running until she was 35 years old, when 243 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: her brother convinced her to join him for a half- 244 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:07,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon. Six months later, she ran her first full marathon 245 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:11,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: in Paris, and since then, she's completed about 20 marathons, 246 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: including all six original Abbott World Marathon majors. But, like 247 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: so many people we have spoken to here on Set 248 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:23,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Pace, 26.2 miles just wasn't enough for Susie. She 249 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: kept going, went on to conquer the Marathon des Sables, 250 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:31,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: a six- day, 250- kilometer race through the Sahara Desert, 251 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:36,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: and set a world record by running 68. 54 miles on 252 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: a treadmill in 12 hours. That is like my all- 253 00:13:40,650 --> 00:13:42,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: time worst nightmare, I can't wait to hear how she 254 00:13:42,630 --> 00:13:46,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: did this. She also made ultramarathon running history as the 255 00:13:46,530 --> 00:13:50,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: first European woman to finish all three Badwater Ultramarathon races in 256 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,329 Rob Simmelkjaer: the same year. And along the way, she's overcome serious 257 00:13:54,330 --> 00:13:58,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: challenges, including a thyroid cancer diagnosis shortly after running the 258 00:13:58,650 --> 00:14:02,939 Rob Simmelkjaer: Chicago Marathon. Susie's also, as if this wasn't enough, an award- 259 00:14:02,940 --> 00:14:06,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: winning author. Her book, Trails and Tribulations, the Running Adventures 260 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:10,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: of Susie Chan, won Sports Performance book of the year 261 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:16,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: at the 2025 Charles Tyrwhitt Sports Book Awards. Susie, what is 262 00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:20,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: wrong with you? You can't seem to stop doing things, 263 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: are you okay? 264 00:14:21,420 --> 00:14:23,700 Susie Chan: No, I don't know if I am. Do you know 265 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:26,700 Susie Chan: what, it's not until actually I wrote the book, and 266 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:29,880 Susie Chan: I was forced to reflect, because I'm very much a forward- 267 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,030 Susie Chan: looking person, and I was forced to sort of think about 268 00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:35,820 Susie Chan: all the things I've done. It was like, "Oh, actually, I have 269 00:14:35,820 --> 00:14:38,190 Susie Chan: been quite busy, haven't I?" And also, some of the 270 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:41,910 Susie Chan: things, hearing them back like that, it doesn't sound like 271 00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:46,170 Susie Chan: me. I don't know genuinely, how I did some of those 272 00:14:46,350 --> 00:14:49,170 Susie Chan: things now, because as I'm a little bit older, I'm a 273 00:14:49,170 --> 00:14:52,320 Susie Chan: little bit slower, things are a little bit harder when I'm running, 274 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,080 Susie Chan: and then I'm like, " How did I do those things?" 275 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,910 Susie Chan: So yeah, I've been very, very lucky, very privileged, and 276 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:03,450 Susie Chan: I've seen the world through running around on my two 277 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:07,710 Susie Chan: feet. And I think overall, largely loved it all. There 278 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:11,550 Susie Chan: were some low moments, as runners experience, but what a journey. 279 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:13,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right, so I don't know where to start. I 280 00:15:13,770 --> 00:15:16,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: guess, let's start at the start. So you run a half- 281 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:21,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon with your brother, and did that trigger something in 282 00:15:21,330 --> 00:15:23,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: you? You hadn't really been a runner, right, so did 283 00:15:23,070 --> 00:15:26,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: you feel all of a sudden, through the process of 284 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:28,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: training for and running that half, that, " Oh, my God, 285 00:15:28,950 --> 00:15:30,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: this is what I meant to do?" 286 00:15:30,540 --> 00:15:32,370 Susie Chan: It was a bit of a delayed reaction, I'm going 287 00:15:32,370 --> 00:15:35,070 Susie Chan: to say. I didn't really want to run. I didn't 288 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:38,250 Susie Chan: have any interest in it. It sounded awful. And I used 289 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:40,050 Susie Chan: to sit at home and watch London Marathon when it 290 00:15:40,050 --> 00:15:42,900 Susie Chan: came on my TV, in awe of what they were 291 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:46,410 Susie Chan: doing, but not really having any comprehension of how far 292 00:15:46,410 --> 00:15:48,270 Susie Chan: that is, and how much work you have to do 293 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,480 Susie Chan: to get there. But I was in a bit of a rough patch in my life. 294 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,670 Susie Chan: I was drinking too much. I was a smoker. I was in 295 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,330 Susie Chan: a bit of a life rut. I hadn't had much 296 00:15:57,330 --> 00:15:59,430 Susie Chan: money, I was a single mom. And I think my 297 00:15:59,430 --> 00:16:02,340 Susie Chan: brother could sort of identify that within me, and he 298 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:05,010 Susie Chan: wanted to run his half. He was signed in for 299 00:16:05,010 --> 00:16:08,130 Susie Chan: a marathon, he was like, "I'm going to do a bucket list marathon. I'm going to run a marathon, 300 00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:11,940 Susie Chan: tick it off." And he picked a local half- marathon 301 00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:14,760 Susie Chan: to me, to run as a training one. And basically, 302 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,650 Susie Chan: he said, " Run this with me, run this with me." And 303 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:19,530 Susie Chan: I agreed. I didn't really know how far it was 304 00:16:19,530 --> 00:16:24,000 Susie Chan: either. And I started training, this is when it was 20, when did we say, 305 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,030 Susie Chan: 2010, something like that. And I had no watch. I mean, I didn't have 306 00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:31,200 Susie Chan: a watch. I can remember trying to run my first run 307 00:16:31,830 --> 00:16:33,750 Susie Chan: around a field. It had two football pitches in it, 308 00:16:33,750 --> 00:16:35,370 Susie Chan: and I was trying to run around that that without stopping, couldn't 309 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:38,790 Susie Chan: do it, and it was just awful. But because I had this goal, 310 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:41,700 Susie Chan: I kept on trying to run a little bit further, a little bit further. 311 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:42,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yep. 312 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:46,770 Susie Chan: And then race day came, I was stood there, terrified. 313 00:16:46,830 --> 00:16:48,960 Susie Chan: Looked around, everybody else knew what they were doing. They 314 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,190 Susie Chan: all had the gear on. I didn't even have a proper running 315 00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:54,541 Susie Chan: bra or running shoes. 316 00:16:54,541 --> 00:16:54,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, man. 317 00:16:56,370 --> 00:16:59,250 Susie Chan: Oh, honestly. And then as I was stood there, about 318 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:02,160 Susie Chan: five minutes before the race started, somebody leaned over and said, " 319 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,409 Susie Chan: Do you like trail running?" And I was like, " What's trail 320 00:17:04,410 --> 00:17:07,200 Susie Chan: running?" And the whole thing was this trail half- marathon. 321 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:12,600 Susie Chan: It was like off- road, over fences, narrow, up mud. 322 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:16,650 Susie Chan: And so I was so distracted trying not to fall over, I'm thinking " 323 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,900 Susie Chan: What is happening to me," up these hills and down 324 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:23,280 Susie Chan: these hills. Because I'd been running on a flat road, I was trying to 325 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,310 Susie Chan: stay alive. And then I got to nine miles, and I thought, " 326 00:17:26,310 --> 00:17:28,140 Susie Chan: Oh, my God, I'm going to run this half- marathon." And then 327 00:17:28,410 --> 00:17:30,480 Susie Chan: it just filled me with something which I hadn't ever 328 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,660 Susie Chan: experienced before. I was very tired, but I just suddenly 329 00:17:33,660 --> 00:17:35,730 Susie Chan: believed I could do it, and then crossed the finish 330 00:17:35,730 --> 00:17:38,130 Susie Chan: line. And then of course, all those finish line feels 331 00:17:38,130 --> 00:17:41,460 Susie Chan: that you get, and everybody that's had that first race 332 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:44,250 Susie Chan: experience, you're on such a high. And I was on such a high 333 00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:47,790 Susie Chan: for days and days, I thought I need more of 334 00:17:47,790 --> 00:17:50,490 Susie Chan: this. I need to keep running. That's how it started, 335 00:17:50,490 --> 00:17:52,170 Susie Chan: and then I went in pretty hard after that. 336 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,389 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, I would say so. First of all, I love that 337 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:57,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: you were running a trail half- marathon and did not realize 338 00:17:57,630 --> 00:17:59,879 Rob Simmelkjaer: it was a trail half- marathon until you were at the 339 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:00,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: starting line. 340 00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:01,080 Susie Chan: No. 341 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: Very different, very different experience than running on the road, but 342 00:18:04,260 --> 00:18:06,359 Rob Simmelkjaer: that's awesome. And you're right, the focus you get on 343 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: a trail run, sometimes you stop thinking about the miles 344 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: because you're trying not to break your face, yeah. 345 00:18:11,580 --> 00:18:13,950 Susie Chan: I was just looking at whatever was coming next. It was like, " Oh, there's some trees. 346 00:18:13,950 --> 00:18:16,500 Susie Chan: Oh, there's some mud." Oh, it was just like a fence, and it was like, " 347 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,151 Susie Chan: Oh, gosh." It was very busy in my head. 348 00:18:18,151 --> 00:18:22,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. So from there, did your mind go right to 349 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:23,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: the marathon distance? 350 00:18:23,850 --> 00:18:27,510 Susie Chan: No, I then thought, "Oh, I can run a 10K obviously, that's shorter." It's a very 351 00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:29,310 Susie Chan: different kettle of fish actually, running a 10K, because you 352 00:18:29,310 --> 00:18:31,470 Susie Chan: have to run a little bit faster. And then I did 353 00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:35,790 Susie Chan: a couple of more half- marathons, and then I started 354 00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:37,425 Susie Chan: to do a bit more fitness because it was making me feel 355 00:18:37,425 --> 00:18:40,470 Susie Chan: good, so I joined a couple of little fitness groups, 356 00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:45,510 Susie Chan: and they were all running Paris Marathon. And basically, I 357 00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:49,109 Susie Chan: was like, " Yeah, yeah." I was very much " Give it a go," like " 358 00:18:49,109 --> 00:18:52,619 Susie Chan: What's the worst that could happen?" I didn't really overthink 359 00:18:52,770 --> 00:18:55,320 Susie Chan: things too much, which probably was how I've ended up 360 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,330 Susie Chan: doing some of the things I'm doing. I'd rather give it 361 00:18:57,330 --> 00:19:00,840 Susie Chan: a go and maybe fail, than not experience it, so I signed up 362 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,070 Susie Chan: for Paris Marathon, trained so hard for that, and came- 363 00:19:05,070 --> 00:19:09,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: I assume you got some shoes and a sports bra, and all the things. 364 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,929 Susie Chan: I wore the correct bra, and I bought some shoes. I had my 365 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:17,158 Susie Chan: gate analyzed. Yes, I did all the right things. I didn't have a watch still. Those 366 00:19:17,159 --> 00:19:20,580 Susie Chan: were a bit expensive for me back then, but at 367 00:19:20,580 --> 00:19:24,510 Susie Chan: least I was dressed more appropriately for the thing I 368 00:19:24,510 --> 00:19:27,750 Susie Chan: was doing. And I was so hell- bent on getting 369 00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:32,070 Susie Chan: four hours, aren't we all, for that first marathon. Trained so hard. 370 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:36,419 Susie Chan: And I think I came at like 407, 409, something like 371 00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:39,209 Susie Chan: that. And I was devastated when that... I was just fighting 372 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:41,100 Susie Chan: for my life for that last 10 miles, as you 373 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:44,220 Susie Chan: do in your first marathon. And when the pacer came past me, 374 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:47,250 Susie Chan: at about 17 miles, and I just couldn't keep with him. 375 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:49,560 Susie Chan: And then I can remember, I thought I was going to be 376 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,480 Susie Chan: one and done, because I was happy with my half- 377 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,920 Susie Chan: marathon distances. It was fulfilling me enough. And then I remember crossing 378 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,260 Susie Chan: the line, thinking " I'm going to have to do this again, because 379 00:19:58,260 --> 00:20:00,810 Susie Chan: I have to get it." Because it was close enough to think I can do 380 00:20:00,810 --> 00:20:04,230 Susie Chan: it. And then just this is how it happens, and 381 00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:06,524 Susie Chan: you find an excuse, don't you, for every race that 382 00:20:06,525 --> 00:20:10,139 Susie Chan: you do thereafter. And so the excuses started to build, and 383 00:20:10,170 --> 00:20:12,420 Susie Chan: so I did a marathon, and then not long after 384 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:14,820 Susie Chan: that, I signed up for the Marathon des Sables, which 385 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:17,670 Susie Chan: you talked about there, which again, was more born out 386 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:23,070 Susie Chan: of... I had not accidentally found myself there, but I didn't 387 00:20:23,070 --> 00:20:25,889 Susie Chan: think I would end up at that start line, and I did, and 388 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:29,940 Susie Chan: it was terrifying and life changing at the same time. 389 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:33,209 Rob Simmelkjaer: So I just want to understand that, it's not something 390 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:36,869 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm familiar with. So you're running through the Sahara Desert? 391 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:41,190 Susie Chan: Yeah. So it's a six- day, it's called a multi- stage 392 00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:44,369 Susie Chan: race, so it takes place across six days, and you 393 00:20:44,369 --> 00:20:47,760 Susie Chan: are running. The course changes every year. You are plonked 394 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,270 Susie Chan: into the Sahara Desert, and you run each day, a 395 00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:53,879 Susie Chan: different distance. And normally, it follows the same format, it's 396 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,250 Susie Chan: something like 20 miles, 20 miles, but technical, with some 397 00:20:56,250 --> 00:21:00,750 Susie Chan: mountains, and then a longer stage, 20, 22 miles. And then 398 00:21:00,750 --> 00:21:02,280 Susie Chan: you have something called the long stage, which is an 399 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,609 Susie Chan: ultramarathon, and then you finish on a marathon, and then 400 00:21:05,609 --> 00:21:09,690 Susie Chan: a fun run. And the hard thing is, is it's self- 401 00:21:09,690 --> 00:21:13,140 Susie Chan: sufficient, so you need everything to survive for the week, 402 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:15,060 Susie Chan: you have to carry right from the start. So that 403 00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:17,609 Susie Chan: is all your food, which is the heaviest thing, your 404 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:21,149 Susie Chan: sleeping gear, and anything, any survival kit. So the first 405 00:21:21,150 --> 00:21:23,100 Susie Chan: time in my life, I was like just trying to 406 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:25,889 Susie Chan: find out what an anti- venom pump was, things like this. I'm like, "What?" 407 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:27,780 Susie Chan: Just in case I get bitten by something which is 408 00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:28,198 Susie Chan: going to kill me. 409 00:21:28,199 --> 00:21:28,888 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, my goodness. 410 00:21:29,070 --> 00:21:33,119 Susie Chan: So they give you a tent. It's not really a tent, it's like a blanket on sticks, and they move 411 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,429 Susie Chan: that further and further away, and then you run towards 412 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:40,080 Susie Chan: it each day. And it's you're carrying... I'd say for 413 00:21:40,410 --> 00:21:42,600 Susie Chan: women, I'm not very tall, I'm like five- foot three. 414 00:21:42,930 --> 00:21:45,270 Susie Chan: For smaller women, it's harder, because carrying the same amount 415 00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:50,040 Susie Chan: as some six- foot three dude that's done Ironman. So 416 00:21:50,369 --> 00:21:55,890 Susie Chan: it's pretty tough, it's pretty tough. And yeah, I ended 417 00:21:55,890 --> 00:22:00,149 Susie Chan: up doing that, because I had a very long wait list, 418 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,210 Susie Chan: and I couldn't really find out too much about it. This is before 419 00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:05,159 Susie Chan: the internet is what it is today. And I thought, " 420 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,830 Susie Chan: I know, I'll sign up to this very long wait 421 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:11,369 Susie Chan: list." I was like 198th, or something, and " I'll get 422 00:22:11,369 --> 00:22:13,260 Susie Chan: some emails about it." And I signed up to the wait 423 00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:14,699 Susie Chan: list, and then in three months, I was at the 424 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,590 Susie Chan: top of it. I was terrified. 425 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 426 00:22:18,869 --> 00:22:22,680 Susie Chan: fortunately, where I live, I live about 50 miles outside 427 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:28,080 Susie Chan: of London, a place called Hampshire, in UK. And by 428 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,310 Susie Chan: some weird geographical freak, it's very sandy, so the trails 429 00:22:32,369 --> 00:22:36,990 Susie Chan: are very sandy near me. So in the summer, I 430 00:22:36,990 --> 00:22:40,199 Susie Chan: could easily run on sand, because it's just where I 431 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,500 Susie Chan: run. I find it slightly... I don't find it any 432 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,388 Susie Chan: easier, but I'm just more used to it, I'm going 433 00:22:45,388 --> 00:22:49,199 Susie Chan: to say. I'm better. I'm quite good at reading where to put my foot, and 434 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,810 Susie Chan: then seeing... I don't think I'm more efficient, I'm just 435 00:22:51,810 --> 00:22:52,290 Susie Chan: more used to it, I would say. 436 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,649 Becs Gentry: Yeah. And you're probably your ankles and your tendons and 437 00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:58,199 Becs Gentry: your ligaments around your ankles and your knees, are probably 438 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,960 Becs Gentry: just that bit stronger, and as you say, more accustomed 439 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,450 Becs Gentry: to it than somebody who runs on the road or 440 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:04,981 Becs Gentry: track more. 441 00:23:04,981 --> 00:23:05,431 Susie Chan: Yeah. 442 00:23:05,490 --> 00:23:07,679 Becs Gentry: Yeah. What a feat. I mean, most people do it 443 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,160 Becs Gentry: once, and say " Thank you, that was enough." Susie goes 444 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,240 Becs Gentry: back three more times. 445 00:23:12,330 --> 00:23:12,661 Susie Chan: Yeah. I loved that race. 446 00:23:12,661 --> 00:23:12,662 Becs Gentry: It says a lot. 447 00:23:12,662 --> 00:23:12,663 Susie Chan: I do love it. 448 00:23:12,663 --> 00:23:16,050 Becs Gentry: You do. You do. 449 00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:21,149 Rob Simmelkjaer: So I think people always want to know, just like non- 450 00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:23,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: runners want to know what would get someone to run 451 00:23:24,030 --> 00:23:26,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: a half- marathon or a marathon, I think even people 452 00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:29,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: who run marathons want to know what is it that 453 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: would drive you to take on a challenge like that? 454 00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:36,239 Susie Chan: I think you just have to be a little bit... You've got to want to. I 455 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,330 Susie Chan: think at any run, anybody that runs, you've got to have 456 00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:42,570 Susie Chan: a desire to do it, because that is half of the battle. You've 457 00:23:42,570 --> 00:23:44,250 Susie Chan: got to maybe want to see what it's like to 458 00:23:44,250 --> 00:23:46,800 Susie Chan: feel like to finish a half- marathon, to finish a marathon, 459 00:23:46,890 --> 00:23:49,619 Susie Chan: and that desire is going to get you a very, very long way. 460 00:23:49,890 --> 00:23:53,730 Susie Chan: I think it's always, I don't overthink these things. Which 461 00:23:53,730 --> 00:23:56,520 Susie Chan: sometimes, I'll be honest with you, Rob, it hasn't worked out that well for me, because 462 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,740 Susie Chan: I've not really found out as much about race, and I 463 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:05,160 Susie Chan: found myself in a situation which is nearly beyond how good 464 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,940 Susie Chan: I am. But I think it's only running, it's not 465 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:12,750 Susie Chan: that deep. If you want to see the Sahara, what 466 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:15,240 Susie Chan: better way than to try and run around it for 467 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,050 Susie Chan: a few days? And that race is actually, yes, it 468 00:24:19,050 --> 00:24:21,480 Susie Chan: is very difficult, and the terrain is quite tough to 469 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,960 Susie Chan: get through, but the timings are such that a lot of 470 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,380 Susie Chan: people, they hike it, they run very small, they run 471 00:24:28,380 --> 00:24:29,970 Susie Chan: periods of it, and then they walk a lot of it. And the 472 00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:32,609 Susie Chan: timings are such that you can actually probably fast- walk 473 00:24:32,609 --> 00:24:35,100 Susie Chan: the whole thing and get through it. So if you 474 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:41,340 Susie Chan: just add in just a little bit of adventure, I just thought maybe 475 00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,619 Susie Chan: I could do this. I didn't think I definitely can 476 00:24:43,619 --> 00:24:45,720 Susie Chan: do this, and that was enough for me to give 477 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,240 Susie Chan: it a go. So if you have any sort of sense 478 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,090 Susie Chan: of adventure, or just trying to do something which is a 479 00:24:51,090 --> 00:24:53,429 Susie Chan: little bit out of your comfort zone, just give it 480 00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:56,399 Susie Chan: a go. What's the worst? You just stop and you've 481 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,369 Susie Chan: only experienced some of it, it's not that deep. Yeah. 482 00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:02,550 Becs Gentry: I love that. I love that. And that's so true. 483 00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:04,199 Becs Gentry: It's so you. I mean, I'm so lucky that I 484 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,430 Becs Gentry: know you. I've known you for a decade at least, 485 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Becs Gentry: maybe longer, but that's so, so true, that people need 486 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,580 Becs Gentry: to remember that. It's not that deep. And I think 487 00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:21,060 Becs Gentry: yes, of course, if you are a professional athlete listening 488 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:22,649 Becs Gentry: to this, it is that deep for you. It is your 489 00:25:22,650 --> 00:25:26,940 Becs Gentry: career, it is your whole life. But for the rest 490 00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:30,359 Becs Gentry: of us, as hobby runners, who do things outside of 491 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,790 Becs Gentry: our careers and our other hats that we wear, to 492 00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:35,731 Becs Gentry: fulfill something else inside us, if it doesn't work out, yes. 493 00:25:35,731 --> 00:25:35,732 Susie Chan: It's okay. 494 00:25:35,732 --> 00:25:36,120 Becs Gentry: It's okay. 495 00:25:37,888 --> 00:25:41,429 Susie Chan: I don't know how you do what you do, Becs. 496 00:25:41,638 --> 00:25:43,830 Susie Chan: We've had this conversation off the record several times, about 497 00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:48,090 Susie Chan: how you do that with that. But the time pressure, I mean I'm not the fastest. 498 00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:50,250 Susie Chan: Really, I'm very much a middle- packer, and I'm very 499 00:25:50,250 --> 00:25:54,900 Susie Chan: comfortable with being a middle- packer, and that affords me, and 500 00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:57,959 Susie Chan: everybody else around me, the benefit of it doesn't matter 501 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,790 Susie Chan: if we're slower that day, it doesn't matter if we don't 502 00:25:59,790 --> 00:26:02,398 Susie Chan: get our PB. I'm not trying to do what Becs is trying 503 00:26:02,398 --> 00:26:06,630 Susie Chan: to do and run that fast. And so it's nice to be able to do that, 504 00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:09,119 Susie Chan: but to take that comforting space, and then put it 505 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,250 Susie Chan: in an environment which is actually a bit more taxing 506 00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:14,490 Susie Chan: and difficult, is my sweet spot. It's just being middle- 507 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:17,820 Susie Chan: packing somewhere a little bit more adventurous and seeing how 508 00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:20,100 Susie Chan: far I could get on my steam. 509 00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:25,109 Rob Simmelkjaer: That makes a lot of sense. I think that's really cool. And 510 00:26:25,109 --> 00:26:28,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: so when we started this conversation, you talked about how 511 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:30,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: early on, when you were in that first half with your brother, 512 00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:33,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: your life wasn't in a great place, and you had 513 00:26:33,660 --> 00:26:37,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: some money issues, and things like that. And so running, 514 00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:40,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: little did you know, I'm sure, ended up changing your 515 00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:43,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: life, in terms of your career as well. Can you 516 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:46,109 Rob Simmelkjaer: talk about how that all came about, and what led 517 00:26:46,109 --> 00:26:49,709 Rob Simmelkjaer: you to Peloton? And now you're this star instructor on 518 00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:49,771 Rob Simmelkjaer: the tread. 519 00:26:49,771 --> 00:26:56,280 Susie Chan: I don't know, Rob, how this happened to me. I am not joking. Sometimes I'll turn up to 520 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,530 Susie Chan: work, and I'll think " How have I ended up here," 521 00:26:58,530 --> 00:27:01,890 Susie Chan: to be totally honest with you. But I did always, I think I 522 00:27:01,890 --> 00:27:04,800 Susie Chan: managed to hit ultra- running at the right time. When 523 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,530 Susie Chan: I started in the UK, there were, I think, 15 524 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,109 Susie Chan: ultramarathons in the whole of the UK. There's now over 525 00:27:10,109 --> 00:27:12,869 Susie Chan: 200. I think I just hit something at the right 526 00:27:12,869 --> 00:27:17,880 Susie Chan: moment. Social media was relatively in its infancy. I'm not 527 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,889 Susie Chan: a huge on social media, but I just started to 528 00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:22,530 Susie Chan: document what I was doing. There were very few women doing these 529 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:25,200 Susie Chan: sorts of events, and so I just started to document 530 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,780 Susie Chan: it. And I did have a couple of little rules 531 00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:31,859 Susie Chan: for myself. If I've had had a bad day, or I don't know, got a parking ticket, 532 00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:33,990 Susie Chan: or something, wasn't going to come to social media to start 533 00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:36,150 Susie Chan: to moan about that. That's not what I'm there for, 534 00:27:36,150 --> 00:27:38,040 Susie Chan: I'm there just to talk about my running and to 535 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,560 Susie Chan: keep it quite a light positive space. So I just 536 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,400 Susie Chan: chronicled my running journey. And I had a normal job. I've 537 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,910 Susie Chan: worked for 20 years, in the museum and gallery sector, 538 00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:50,310 Susie Chan: putting on exhibitions, so I did love that, but I 539 00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:54,240 Susie Chan: was at the weekend then, doing these races, very long 540 00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:56,909 Susie Chan: races, and coming into work on Monday. And there was just 541 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,660 Susie Chan: a moment there, where social media was beginning to take 542 00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:04,199 Susie Chan: off, I started to get brand deals and invited to 543 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,439 Susie Chan: things. I then got sponsorship, which wasn't a lot of 544 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,388 Susie Chan: money, but it was just enough for me to think 545 00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:12,420 Susie Chan: maybe I could just step away from museums and see 546 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,480 Susie Chan: where this leads me. And I was doing race commentating, 547 00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:17,100 Susie Chan: sort of commentary, I was doing a little bit of 548 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,010 Susie Chan: presenting with it. So I was doing all these little things, and just trying 549 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:22,020 Susie Chan: to make everything work. And there was a point where 550 00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:24,300 Susie Chan: I was very stretched, and I wasn't doing my day 551 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,310 Susie Chan: job very well, and I wasn't really applying myself to my 552 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:29,040 Susie Chan: races very well, so I just stopped on the day job, 553 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,970 Susie Chan: which was terrifying, and took the plunge. And I was 554 00:28:32,970 --> 00:28:36,930 Susie Chan: just doing bits and pieces, and then lockdown happened, which worried me, 555 00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:39,600 Susie Chan: because a lot of my brand deals, and things, were 556 00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:42,720 Susie Chan: governed by producing content, which we weren't allowed to do 557 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:45,480 Susie Chan: because we were all sitting in indoors. And then I just got 558 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,120 Susie Chan: a phone call from Peloton, and I genuinely was like, " 559 00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:50,760 Susie Chan: Oh, what?" And the first thing I said, Becs, was, " Do you 560 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,709 Susie Chan: know how old I am?" And they said " Yes, and 561 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:56,430 Susie Chan: we don't care." Because I was in my mid- 40s 562 00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:58,980 Susie Chan: by this point, and I just had in my head, I just thought " 563 00:28:59,310 --> 00:29:03,900 Susie Chan: Really?" I'm an older woman, and actually, all Peloton cared 564 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:07,410 Susie Chan: about is authenticity and if you love it, and if 565 00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:09,600 Susie Chan: you love running, you want to share your journey. And 566 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:16,170 Susie Chan: did various screen tests and interviews, and things. And here 567 00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:19,950 Susie Chan: I am, working with Becs. And last time I saw Becs 568 00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:23,010 Susie Chan: was when she disappeared off the face of the Earth 569 00:29:23,010 --> 00:29:25,770 Susie Chan: in London. She was like a big name on the scene, big name. 570 00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:27,780 Susie Chan: Everybody's like, " Becs is so cool," and then she just 571 00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:30,570 Susie Chan: disappeared, and then popped back up on Peloton. And then I 572 00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:33,000 Susie Chan: was following, I don't know, maybe three years later. 573 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:37,980 Becs Gentry: I love that, that Susie always tells me that. Like literally, " 574 00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:40,830 Becs Gentry: Do you know you disappeared? You literally just one day, 575 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:41,761 Becs Gentry: you were not in London." 576 00:29:41,761 --> 00:29:46,080 Susie Chan: I was like, "Where has she gone? She hasn't posted anything for ages." I started to get worried. Anyway. 577 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,130 Becs Gentry: Oh, my gosh. Okay, let's talk. Whilst we're talking about 578 00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:58,170 Becs Gentry: Peloton and treadmill running, you are such a fantastic advocate 579 00:29:58,170 --> 00:30:01,290 Becs Gentry: for all the ways people can run, whether it's road, 580 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,150 Becs Gentry: trail, tread, and you and I are both in that 581 00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:09,870 Becs Gentry: mindset. I think we're very similar in, I would say, 582 00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:12,330 Becs Gentry: 80% of the way we run, in that we get 583 00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:14,730 Becs Gentry: it done. We just get it done. And we both 584 00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:17,580 Becs Gentry: love a tread for speed work, it's like a set it 585 00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:23,219 Becs Gentry: and forget it sort of thing. But you, Susie, eighth, 586 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:27,450 Becs Gentry: nearly, no, nine years ago, I guess now, in 2016, 587 00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:32,970 Becs Gentry: you broke the Guinness World Record by running 68.5 miles on a 588 00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:37,140 Becs Gentry: treadmill in 12 hours. I mean, you can hear in 589 00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:43,170 Becs Gentry: my voice, and I just... Tell our listeners about that. What was it 590 00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:46,709 Becs Gentry: like? And I love the tread, but that seems like 591 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:48,960 Becs Gentry: it would be harder than anything. 592 00:30:49,050 --> 00:30:52,260 Susie Chan: It was grim. I don't know what else to say. 593 00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:56,670 Susie Chan: Well, what happened was I ended up there because a friend of mine, 594 00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:59,190 Susie Chan: so when I do some of the races I do, I tend 595 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,190 Susie Chan: to lean towards hot environments. And so my friend is actually 596 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,310 Susie Chan: a doctor in ultramarathon, he's a sports scientist. And so I'd go and train. He 597 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:10,200 Susie Chan: had a heat chamber set up at his university, so 598 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,170 Susie Chan: I'd go and do a lot of my heat training there. And then he, as 599 00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:16,860 Susie Chan: part of his research into ultramarathoners and the effects of ultramarathons 600 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:19,709 Susie Chan: on body, he wanted people to run 50 miles on a treadmill 601 00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:22,470 Susie Chan: in an experiment and just record the effects of it. 602 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:25,020 Susie Chan: So not many people came forward for that, as you 603 00:31:25,020 --> 00:31:27,990 Susie Chan: can imagine. I helped him out, me and a few 604 00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:29,940 Susie Chan: friends went and did our 50 miles. He was monitoring our 605 00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:33,960 Susie Chan: blood, how we felt, doing blood tests and saliva tests, 606 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,760 Susie Chan: and all sorts of... Did that, so I went along. I 607 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,340 Susie Chan: was super fit, because I'd just finished an Iron Man. I was 608 00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:40,800 Susie Chan: super fit, I just hopped on the treadmill, ran 50 609 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,290 Susie Chan: miles and just went home. And then I just did a 610 00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:46,110 Susie Chan: little tweet about it, or something, like, " Oh, I just did 50 miles on the treadmill." And 611 00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:50,310 Susie Chan: somebody said to me on Twitter, " If you'd kept going, 612 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:52,440 Susie Chan: you would've broken the world record." I was so close 613 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,040 Susie Chan: and I didn't know. I didn't know that these things existed. And the 614 00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:58,980 Susie Chan: truth is, not many people give these a go because 615 00:31:58,980 --> 00:32:02,490 Susie Chan: they are quite grim, and they are also incredibly difficult 616 00:32:02,490 --> 00:32:06,480 Susie Chan: to set up. And so we set it up, and Dennis sent a 23- 617 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,490 Susie Chan: page document on all the things we had to do 618 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:11,130 Susie Chan: to make it valid, which was numerous. There were lots 619 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,530 Susie Chan: of things about the calibration of the treadmill, it had to be public, 620 00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:16,469 Susie Chan: it had to be filmed constantly, it had to have independent witnesses. 621 00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:18,540 Susie Chan: There was so many rules that we had to do, but 622 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:23,130 Susie Chan: we set about with the university, Kingston University. And I 623 00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:25,170 Susie Chan: thought it wouldn't be too bad, because I wasn't that 624 00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:28,530 Susie Chan: far off, just doing that 50 miles on the treadmill. And 625 00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:31,800 Susie Chan: actually, I felt okay. What had happened, was it took 626 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,010 Susie Chan: eight months to set up, and I had lost a 627 00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:38,940 Susie Chan: reasonable amount of fitness. I wasn't quite Iron Man- fit 628 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,640 Susie Chan: anymore. And I hopped on on the day of it, and it had 629 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,110 Susie Chan: gone viral. I had thousands of people watching me. 630 00:32:46,110 --> 00:32:47,160 Becs Gentry: Yeah, I remember. 631 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,990 Susie Chan: You know when you start running, some days you just start running, 632 00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:54,660 Susie Chan: and you think, " Oh, actually I'm not feeling this today." Yeah, it 633 00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:56,940 Susie Chan: was one of those. I just hopped on, I thought, "I'm not really in the 634 00:32:56,940 --> 00:33:00,390 Susie Chan: mood for this." And it was too late. We'd had 635 00:33:00,420 --> 00:33:03,420 Susie Chan: so many people there watching, and I just had to 636 00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:06,060 Susie Chan: run through a day of running when I didn't want to 637 00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:10,200 Susie Chan: run on a treadmill. I got very seasick, because the 638 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,380 Susie Chan: treadmill we had to use was huge, and it wasn't 639 00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:15,090 Susie Chan: too far away from the wall. We couldn't move it 640 00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:17,130 Susie Chan: away from the wall, and so I was just staring at a 641 00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:20,400 Susie Chan: wall for 12 hours whilst running. And do anything, it 642 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,400 Susie Chan: doesn't matter what it is, just staring at a wall for 12 hours, and 643 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:23,491 Susie Chan: you will get a bit. So I was so throwing up. 644 00:33:23,491 --> 00:33:29,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: Is that what you were doing? So were you staring 645 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:32,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: at a wall? Did you have something, you weren't watching 646 00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:33,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: anything, you weren't- 647 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,670 Susie Chan: Well, they kind of got a TV screen there. And 648 00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:38,850 Susie Chan: then I had people coming. I had a treadmill next to me for friends and people 649 00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:40,680 Susie Chan: to join me, just to kind of keep me buoyed 650 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,650 Susie Chan: up. But essentially, I couldn't really, because if I fell 651 00:33:43,650 --> 00:33:46,350 Susie Chan: over, it was over. I couldn't touch the treadmill bars, 652 00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:47,880 Susie Chan: I couldn't touch any of it, because it was done. 653 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,240 Susie Chan: So I had to have no sort of assistance holding it, so 654 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,750 Susie Chan: I couldn't really look. I did a bit of it, 655 00:33:54,750 --> 00:33:58,410 Susie Chan: but it was really rough. And I started to throw 656 00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:03,420 Susie Chan: up because I was getting seasick, and then it got very hard 657 00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:06,480 Susie Chan: in the last few miles. I think the YouTube video, 658 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,509 Susie Chan: which we had to record, is out there somewhere, of me just 659 00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:11,819 Susie Chan: going greener and greener around the gills. But I broke 660 00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:15,360 Susie Chan: the world record, and it did go viral. And then 661 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:18,870 Susie Chan: it's subsequently been broken by somebody else, who she's welcome 662 00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:20,729 Susie Chan: to it, because this, it was hardcore. 663 00:34:22,469 --> 00:34:26,790 Becs Gentry: That's hilarious. Oh, my goodness. I can't even imagine. And 664 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:33,450 Becs Gentry: obviously, back in 2016, the technology for treadmills was so 665 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,170 Becs Gentry: much... There was so little compared to now, what we 666 00:34:37,170 --> 00:34:40,650 Becs Gentry: have, like our Peloton Tread Plus is so beautiful. And if I 667 00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:42,540 Becs Gentry: had to run on a tread for 12 hours, I 668 00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:46,770 Becs Gentry: would be undoubtedly on that tread. But I can't imagine 669 00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:51,002 Becs Gentry: just banging away on that, on the belt, just (inaudible) . 670 00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:54,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, the old school belt. I mean, Becs, we've had people on 671 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: this podcast who've done a lot of amazing things, yourself 672 00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:02,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: included. I don't think there's anything I've heard that terrifies 673 00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:07,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: me more than what Susie did. And I mean, do 674 00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:10,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: you still think back to that and feel the trauma, 675 00:35:10,739 --> 00:35:13,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: Susie? Because I'm feeling it and I didn't even do it. 676 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,710 Susie Chan: Yeah, a little bit. It took me a long time 677 00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:18,330 Susie Chan: to get back on a treadmill after that, for a 678 00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:22,650 Susie Chan: while. I was just outside at any opportunity. It was 679 00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:26,940 Susie Chan: really, really tough. And I've never felt that I'm well running, 680 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,859 Susie Chan: and there was a lot of... I think if there wasn't so much pressure, because so 681 00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:34,920 Susie Chan: many people were watching and there, I think I probably 682 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,319 Susie Chan: would've just gone home. It was a little but you have to keep going because there's so 683 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,090 Susie Chan: many people looking at you, it was a little bit 684 00:35:42,090 --> 00:35:45,390 Susie Chan: like that. But thank God they were there, because actually, 685 00:35:45,390 --> 00:35:47,370 Susie Chan: I did manage to do it. And I think left to 686 00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:50,069 Susie Chan: my own mental space, I probably wouldn't have done it, 687 00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:53,370 Susie Chan: so there's a little bit said about the vanity of 688 00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:55,530 Susie Chan: trying to look good in front of people. 689 00:35:56,489 --> 00:36:00,000 Becs Gentry: Well, here we are today. I just looked it up., The current 690 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,921 Becs Gentry: record, just for your information, is 81 miles in 12 hours. 691 00:36:01,921 --> 00:36:07,020 Susie Chan: Oh, I couldn't have done that. I was aiming for, 692 00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:12,420 Susie Chan: I think we had me down to do about 76, 75, which was within my capabilities. 693 00:36:13,890 --> 00:36:17,430 Susie Chan: Which wasn't really, we were on target for until the 694 00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:20,011 Susie Chan: last three hours, and then all the vomit was really slowing me down. 695 00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:20,012 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, my goodness. 696 00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:25,140 Becs Gentry: You got past the record, and you're like, " Tap me 697 00:36:25,259 --> 00:36:26,219 Becs Gentry: out baby, I'm done." 698 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:28,680 Susie Chan: Yeah. 699 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: Well, Becs, Susie is back to the more conventional outdoor road 700 00:36:32,730 --> 00:36:37,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: running marathon distance. She's training for the Sydney Marathon coming 701 00:36:37,830 --> 00:36:38,251 Rob Simmelkjaer: up this fall. 702 00:36:38,251 --> 00:36:38,610 Becs Gentry: Yes. 703 00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:40,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: And she was telling me as we came on the 704 00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:43,799 Rob Simmelkjaer: interview, that she had a little bit of a registration 705 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: issue, wasn't actually sure she was going to make it, 706 00:36:46,110 --> 00:36:47,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: but she's in. 707 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:47,070 Becs Gentry: Okay. 708 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,600 Susie Chan: I hadn't fully completed my registration. There was an extra 709 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,250 Susie Chan: layer, which I didn't know about. 710 00:36:54,330 --> 00:36:55,620 Becs Gentry: Until when, recently? 711 00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:56,400 Susie Chan: This morning, Becs. 712 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,860 Becs Gentry: I was going to say, hold on, I saw you a week ago 713 00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:59,640 Becs Gentry: in London, and you were all go. 714 00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:05,219 Susie Chan: I was getting some. Anyway, some minor detail that I've 715 00:37:05,219 --> 00:37:07,410 Susie Chan: dotted the Is and crossed the Ts, thank goodness, because I've 716 00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:08,701 Susie Chan: bought that plane ticket. Can you imagine? 717 00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:11,940 Becs Gentry: I was going to say she's off with 19 days to spare, and we're 718 00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:12,540 Becs Gentry: officially in. 719 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:17,070 Susie Chan: Yeah, I hadn't quite completed it. Anyway, I'm in. I'm very excited. 720 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: So you've already got the six- star medal, so this will 721 00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:23,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: be number seven for you, on the road to whatever 722 00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:27,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: it will be, nine perhaps. What's got you back in 723 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: the marathon phase? Is it just the challenge and it's a 724 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,149 Rob Simmelkjaer: new place, new experience, and all of that? 725 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:39,840 Susie Chan: Yeah. I mean, this is how they get you, isn't it? The sixth star, so I thought I was done. They announced Sydney, my friends 726 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,029 Susie Chan: are saying " I'm going, are you going?" And I was like, " Oh, okay then," because you don't want to have the FOMO of seeing your friends get 727 00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:49,050 Susie Chan: the seventh and you haven't. So I'm dreadful. I'm very 728 00:37:49,050 --> 00:37:52,950 Susie Chan: easily persuaded in things like this, Rob, very, very easily. 729 00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:55,859 Susie Chan: And so a couple of my friends are going, and 730 00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:59,430 Susie Chan: I was like, " Okay, I'll come too," because I couldn't 731 00:37:59,670 --> 00:38:03,930 Susie Chan: bear to miss out, so I'm off. I haven't run. 732 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,080 Susie Chan: Last time I was in Sydney, in Australia, it was like 20 733 00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:09,660 Susie Chan: years ago, so I wasn't even a runner, so very much looking 734 00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:13,620 Susie Chan: forward to it. Never been to Sydney. Slightly anxious about 735 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:17,940 Susie Chan: the course profile, which I looked at, and it's 1, 500- foot. 736 00:38:18,090 --> 00:38:20,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, there's some legit elevation in there, absolutely. 737 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,961 Becs Gentry: It gives New York a run for its money. 738 00:38:24,961 --> 00:38:27,239 Susie Chan: Yes, it really does. And I've run New York three times, and actually, the 739 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,700 Susie Chan: last time I ran New York, I really felt the 740 00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:34,890 Susie Chan: hills, and they're not my strengths. But on the day, 741 00:38:34,890 --> 00:38:36,930 Susie Chan: this only happens on the day, doesn't it? Race day, 742 00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:42,150 Susie Chan: another world marathon major, I'm way off racing this, so 743 00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:45,270 Susie Chan: I'm just going to go with my friends and have 744 00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:48,750 Susie Chan: as much fun as possible, and do it justice. I'm 745 00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:52,469 Susie Chan: going to do my best that I can, because it's 746 00:38:52,469 --> 00:38:54,660 Susie Chan: a world marathon major. I'm so lucky to be there, so 747 00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:57,779 Susie Chan: I'll give it a crack. Not super fast, but just 748 00:38:57,810 --> 00:38:59,790 Susie Chan: consistent. I'll try and be as consistent as I can on 749 00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:00,390 Susie Chan: those hills. 750 00:39:00,870 --> 00:39:03,660 Becs Gentry: Yeah, you've got this. And as you say, there's something 751 00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:06,239 Becs Gentry: about the energy of these world marathon majors, and this 752 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,299 Becs Gentry: one being the inaugural official one, I think, is going 753 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,960 Becs Gentry: to be really cool. You've been running through extreme heat 754 00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:14,700 Becs Gentry: in the UK this summer. 755 00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:17,191 Susie Chan: I love it. 756 00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:20,700 Becs Gentry: Yeah, you love it. So maybe the coolness of a spring race in 757 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,131 Becs Gentry: Sydney is going to be exhilarating for the body. 758 00:39:23,131 --> 00:39:27,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. I think for some reason, Sahara Desert runner here, I'm not 759 00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:28,621 Rob Simmelkjaer: thinking heat's a big issue for you, Susie. 760 00:39:28,621 --> 00:39:28,622 Becs Gentry: No, it's not a big- 761 00:39:28,622 --> 00:39:28,623 Susie Chan: I love running in the heat, yeah. 762 00:39:28,623 --> 00:39:28,624 Becs Gentry: Oh, my God. 763 00:39:28,624 --> 00:39:36,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: I would hope so. Tell us about your book and what drove you 764 00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:38,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: to write the book, what can someone get from reading 765 00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:40,469 Rob Simmelkjaer: your book? What's the story? 766 00:39:41,010 --> 00:39:43,650 Susie Chan: So I didn't really want to write this book. The 767 00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:46,710 Susie Chan: book company, Bloomsbury, they asked me a couple of times, 768 00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:50,730 Susie Chan: and I said no, mainly because, I don't know, I 769 00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:53,550 Susie Chan: just thought, " Well, I'm not that interesting. I haven't really 770 00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:56,399 Susie Chan: done that much." And also, I felt a lot of imposter 771 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,310 Susie Chan: syndrome there, like " I don't know. I really don't know." 772 00:40:00,270 --> 00:40:04,140 Susie Chan: And then a couple of things happened, lockdown happened, and 773 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:07,770 Susie Chan: then so everything that we could do was taken away. 774 00:40:08,219 --> 00:40:12,660 Susie Chan: And then I got into the race of my dreams, 775 00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:15,960 Susie Chan: which was my final destination race. I finally got into 776 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,379 Susie Chan: that race. And so those two things made me think, " 777 00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:20,670 Susie Chan: I'm just going to embrace them. I'm just going to 778 00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:24,750 Susie Chan: embrace life as it is right now, and say yes." 779 00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:28,200 Susie Chan: So I'd already established myself in Peloton. I'd been there 780 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,480 Susie Chan: for about a couple of years, and I thought, "Okay, I've got a little bit of space 781 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,969 Susie Chan: to try and write the book." So I started to 782 00:40:32,969 --> 00:40:34,740 Susie Chan: write the book. And I'm saying right at the beginning, Becs, that 783 00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:39,180 Susie Chan: writing the book actually made me do a lot of 784 00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:44,430 Susie Chan: reflection and realize that I've been in some extraordinary situations, 785 00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:46,920 Susie Chan: and been really lucky with my running. And I had, 786 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,350 Susie Chan: in fact, I've done quite a lot with it. So 787 00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:56,670 Susie Chan: it's just a story of a normal woman fighting her through 788 00:40:56,670 --> 00:40:59,700 Susie Chan: some very long miles, and on a bit of a journey of discovery. 789 00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,250 Susie Chan: I'm going to say a journey from being not confident 790 00:41:04,469 --> 00:41:08,430 Susie Chan: and not confident and a single mum, to just reinvention, 791 00:41:08,430 --> 00:41:14,520 Susie Chan: and just finding my strength, and finding a whole community of 792 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,469 Susie Chan: empowerment within the runners. 793 00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:20,819 Becs Gentry: It's such a great book. Obviously, I've read it, and 794 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:24,810 Becs Gentry: I've actually listened to it as well. I listened to a lot of 795 00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:30,390 Becs Gentry: it during 7, 7, 7, where Hillary was actually listening 796 00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:32,850 Becs Gentry: to it when we met. It was so weird. It 797 00:41:32,850 --> 00:41:36,359 Becs Gentry: was on her phone, and I was like, " Wait, that's 798 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,310 Becs Gentry: my Susie. You're listening to my Susie." 799 00:41:38,310 --> 00:41:40,350 Susie Chan: I'm so flattered. That's wild. 800 00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:41,939 Becs Gentry: Those were the two of us on the plane. 801 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,250 Susie Chan: Yes, yes. 802 00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:45,240 Becs Gentry: Of course, with this voice, I mean- 803 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,270 Susie Chan: It was an intense three days, but I was like, " I'm down for a 804 00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:52,530 Susie Chan: recording. I can do this." So yes, yes. But really, it 805 00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:57,060 Susie Chan: just chronicles what is that transformative period of my life, 806 00:41:57,060 --> 00:42:01,739 Susie Chan: from being very unfit and unhealthy, and having no confidence 807 00:42:01,739 --> 00:42:06,600 Susie Chan: at all, like terrified to speak publicly, to running on 808 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,600 Susie Chan: a treadmill, talking to millions of people about running. And 809 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:15,630 Susie Chan: it really is, it's like a love story about me and running and everybody 810 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:19,440 Susie Chan: I've met along the way, and just some extraordinary, extraordinary 811 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,681 Susie Chan: people out there. 812 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,011 Becs Gentry: And it's very funny as well. You're a very funny writer. 813 00:42:23,011 --> 00:42:23,641 Susie Chan: Thank you. 814 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,250 Becs Gentry: Not all the way through. It's not a comedy of 815 00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:29,460 Becs Gentry: course, but there are some true Susie Chan moments that 816 00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:32,700 Becs Gentry: really make you have a good chuckle. But it is, 817 00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,190 Becs Gentry: everyone should read it, because it's such a testament to 818 00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:39,660 Becs Gentry: how strong you are. You've been in some, I'm not going to give 819 00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:41,640 Becs Gentry: away the plot lines, but you have, you've put yourself 820 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:47,010 Becs Gentry: in some gnarly situations. You've had some very scary experiences. 821 00:42:47,010 --> 00:42:51,420 Susie Chan: I have, yes. And I'm very pleased, because I did 822 00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:54,030 Susie Chan: actually, I refused a ghost writer. I was like, " I'm 823 00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:58,170 Susie Chan: writing this all myself." And it was a slog to 824 00:42:58,170 --> 00:43:00,419 Susie Chan: get that thing out, but I did it. Yeah. 825 00:43:01,380 --> 00:43:04,049 Becs Gentry: So amazing. Trails and Tribulations, everyone needs to go and 826 00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:07,560 Becs Gentry: read it. Susie, while we're talking about scary things, I 827 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,900 Becs Gentry: think one of the scariest things for me, is when 828 00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:19,110 Becs Gentry: people go into marathon races and they fall down. And 829 00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:22,590 Becs Gentry: as another runner, you run past, and you just, for 830 00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:26,190 Becs Gentry: the rest of your race, you're just thinking, " Please, goodness 831 00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:30,030 Becs Gentry: above, please hope that person is okay." And this is 832 00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:31,529 Becs Gentry: what happened to you at the end of the Chicago Marathon, right? 833 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,450 Susie Chan: Yes. 834 00:43:34,739 --> 00:43:35,850 Becs Gentry: In 2017, was it? 835 00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:37,200 Susie Chan: I was about to say, you pointed the date. Yeah, 836 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,670 Susie Chan: was it 2017? Yes, it was. I had been feeling very 837 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,280 Susie Chan: just off and on, unwell for, I'm going to say 838 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,560 Susie Chan: a few months. I couldn't quite put my finger on 839 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,770 Susie Chan: it. I was feeling very sluggish, very slow, sweaty, everything 840 00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:51,690 Susie Chan: was a bit of a chore. And I thought, " Well, 841 00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:55,350 Susie Chan: maybe I'm just getting unfit, maybe I'm getting older." There 842 00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:59,370 Susie Chan: was no obvious symptom, but the biggest symptom I had 843 00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:02,040 Susie Chan: is I kept having this dreadful cough, which was just an 844 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,940 Susie Chan: awful cough, which would come and go. And I was put 845 00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:09,360 Susie Chan: on antibiotics, it came back. And I had this terrible 846 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,489 Susie Chan: cough, and I was doing Chicago Marathon, which was my 847 00:44:11,489 --> 00:44:15,480 Susie Chan: sixth, and then, I thought, final World Marathon major, so 848 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,010 Susie Chan: it was huge. I'd qualified, I'd got in, the hotel 849 00:44:20,010 --> 00:44:21,570 Susie Chan: was booked, I was over there with a few friends, we're all 850 00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:25,049 Susie Chan: getting our six- star medal together. It was a moment, and I had not 851 00:44:25,050 --> 00:44:29,070 Susie Chan: been feeling great coming into it. I had this cough. And 852 00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:31,680 Susie Chan: I ran the marathon. I was running with one of 853 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,290 Susie Chan: my very good friends, Sophie, who's also doing Sydney with 854 00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:39,600 Susie Chan: me. And I said, " This cough, I feel dreadful." And 855 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,700 Susie Chan: I said, I remember telling her, Becs, I said this, " 856 00:44:42,090 --> 00:44:43,650 Susie Chan: If I faint, don't let them take me off the 857 00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:48,150 Susie Chan: course because I need this sixth star. I can't come back a year later." And I was 858 00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:50,910 Susie Chan: clinging on and clinging on. I can remember my vision 859 00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:53,129 Susie Chan: being a bit... She was one side of me, trying 860 00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:56,370 Susie Chan: to make sure I was okay. And I finished the race. 861 00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:00,660 Susie Chan: It wasn't my finest moment. But we were being presented 862 00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:03,360 Susie Chan: with our sixth star medals and being videoed, they were talking to 863 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,210 Susie Chan: us, and I remember thinking, and I was very British about it, 864 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:13,050 Susie Chan: because I said, " I'm so sorry, I think I'm going to faint." And then I just fainted. I collapsed and I 865 00:45:13,050 --> 00:45:16,620 Susie Chan: was so English about it, " How embarrassing, I'm so sorry." And when I 866 00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:18,690 Susie Chan: fainted, and then I don't really know what happened. But 867 00:45:18,810 --> 00:45:21,180 Susie Chan: the short version is Sophie was very worried. She was like, " 868 00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:23,009 Susie Chan: She can run 100 miles through a desert, there's something 869 00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:25,710 Susie Chan: wrong with you." Phoned a doctor, went home, had an X- 870 00:45:25,710 --> 00:45:28,500 Susie Chan: ray on my lungs, because they thought there was perhaps something my lungs, and 871 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:30,989 Susie Chan: they found a huge tumor in my neck. It was quite 872 00:45:30,989 --> 00:45:34,890 Susie Chan: a large tumor in my thyroid. And I had thyroid 873 00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:40,530 Susie Chan: cancer, and I didn't know. I was very lucky. I've 874 00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:43,770 Susie Chan: seen and know people that have been on cancer journeys, which 875 00:45:43,770 --> 00:45:48,270 Susie Chan: have been incredibly rough, challenging, and hard. And being completely 876 00:45:48,270 --> 00:45:51,540 Susie Chan: honest with you, I was incredibly lucky. It was a very easy, I had 877 00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:56,219 Susie Chan: a couple of operations, mild treatment, and I dealt with 878 00:45:56,219 --> 00:46:01,950 Susie Chan: it, probably not in the most normal way. I did 879 00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:04,980 Susie Chan: a half- marathon about two weeks after my operation. Didn't 880 00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:08,009 Susie Chan: ask my oncologist, just thought I can. Exactly, I'll just go for a run, and if 881 00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:12,000 Susie Chan: I stop, I just stop. Finished, and then went on and did a 882 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,040 Susie Chan: very, very life- affirming Marathon des Sables with my best friends a 883 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,000 Susie Chan: couple of weeks after. 884 00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:20,430 Becs Gentry: Wow. 885 00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:25,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow, wow. Glad that was a successful journey, a successful ending 886 00:46:25,590 --> 00:46:29,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: for you too, because obviously a scary thing, and clearly, 887 00:46:29,310 --> 00:46:32,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: has not held you back. So, all right, so Sydney 888 00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:37,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon's next. I guess, in closing, is there another big 889 00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:41,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: crazy thing out there that you have your eyes on? 890 00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:44,279 Rob Simmelkjaer: Is it what Becs did with the Great World Race? Is 891 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: there anything else out there that you look at and say, " 892 00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:49,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, this needs to be my next big thing?" 893 00:46:50,010 --> 00:46:52,410 Susie Chan: Rob, it never ends. And I actually, I mean, maybe 894 00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:55,290 Susie Chan: Becs is the person actually. There's one itch left to scratch, 895 00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:58,530 Susie Chan: and I don't know if this will ever happened, because I have to be... I'm 896 00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:01,469 Susie Chan: getting older. I want to be running until I'm a 897 00:47:01,469 --> 00:47:05,160 Susie Chan: little old lady, and I need to just look after myself. 898 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,350 Susie Chan: And I can't run like I used to, I just 899 00:47:07,350 --> 00:47:09,840 Susie Chan: throw myself into anything without much thought, and now I have 900 00:47:10,469 --> 00:47:14,100 Susie Chan: bit more considerate. But maybe I'm just going to ask Becs live on this podcast, 901 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:16,020 Susie Chan: if she would. I want to run in the Arctic, Becs. 902 00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:17,700 Susie Chan: I know you've run there already, so you're like an 903 00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:20,280 Susie Chan: old hat at this thing, but there is one race 904 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,300 Susie Chan: in the Yukon, where we just run, walk 100 miles 905 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:27,360 Susie Chan: with a little sled. I love it. 906 00:47:27,930 --> 00:47:31,980 Becs Gentry: Done, in. I did Antarctica, so technically, the Arctic's different. 907 00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:37,710 Susie Chan: Oh yes, there we go. Yeah. I don't know if it'll ever happened, but you only see 908 00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:39,541 Susie Chan: those people with their sledges, and they're like that. Yeah, I'd quite like to see that. 909 00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:42,810 Becs Gentry: Yeah, I would love to do that for the exploring 910 00:47:42,810 --> 00:47:45,299 Becs Gentry: side of it too, because I ran four loops around 911 00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:48,270 Becs Gentry: one base in Antarctica, so I didn't really see it. So I feel like 912 00:47:48,810 --> 00:47:51,480 Becs Gentry: that would be, yes, see it. I think we do, 913 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,570 Becs Gentry: we need to do a big, big ultra together. 914 00:47:54,570 --> 00:47:54,721 Susie Chan: We need to do something. 915 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:54,721 Becs Gentry: Something like, I don't know, the old- 916 00:47:54,721 --> 00:48:01,110 Susie Chan: You'd have to either get the kettle on when you get over the finish 917 00:48:01,110 --> 00:48:03,002 Susie Chan: line or slow down if you want to be (inaudible) . 918 00:48:03,002 --> 00:48:06,000 Becs Gentry: No, we'll do it together. It's an ultra, we'll do it together. 919 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,219 Becs Gentry: The Hippie Trail, I'd love to be able to actually 920 00:48:08,219 --> 00:48:10,530 Becs Gentry: do the Hippie Trail, the original Hippie Trail, like across, 921 00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:12,421 Becs Gentry: but I don't think politically we can do that anymore. 922 00:48:12,421 --> 00:48:14,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: I don't know. If I ever go to the Arctic, I want to 923 00:48:14,969 --> 00:48:18,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: be pulled by eight Huskies, you know, sled dogs. That 924 00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:23,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: sounds like fun. Maybe I'll pass. Maybe I'll pass, you guys. Yeah. 925 00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:24,029 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 926 00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:28,950 Susie Chan: There's always something. I'm very much driven by experience over experience with 927 00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:33,330 Susie Chan: people to the race rather than a distance or a 928 00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:33,960 Susie Chan: time now. 929 00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:38,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: It makes sense. Well, Susie, congrats on everything. Congrats on 930 00:48:38,610 --> 00:48:42,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: your book, Trails and Tribulations, which is out now. And 931 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: good luck in Sydney, hope you have a great, great 932 00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:48,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: time. And the first time Sydney's a major, so you'll always 933 00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:51,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: have that experience to go on. And keep going on 934 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,155 Rob Simmelkjaer: those treadmills for all those Peloton classes, but not for 935 00:48:55,155 --> 00:49:00,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: 86 miles. 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Margaret 942 00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:27,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: Schwartz is a very familiar face to New York Road Runners, 943 00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:33,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: having run 263 NYRR races, 20 of which were New York 944 00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:37,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: City Marathons. But after completing her 20th consecutive marathon in 945 00:49:37,739 --> 00:49:41,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: 2021, she made the decision to step back from the 946 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: 26.2 mile distance. And despite her streaker status, she hasn't 947 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: run a full marathon since crossing that last Central Park 948 00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:53,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: finish line. Instead, she's become a devoted marathon spectator, and 949 00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:57,719 Rob Simmelkjaer: has swapped endurance running for endurance swimming. A lifelong athlete, 950 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: Margaret is both the certified yoga instructor and trainer, and 951 00:50:01,410 --> 00:50:04,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: she brings two decades of marathon grit and her growing 952 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,489 Rob Simmelkjaer: love of open- water swimming to today's member moments. 953 00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:13,080 Meb Keflezighi: Thanks, Rob. Thanks, Becs. Margaret, welcome to the Set the 954 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,910 Meb Keflezighi: Pace Podcast. How's it going today? 955 00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:17,310 Margaret Schwartz: It's going well. And I'm just really happy to be 956 00:50:17,310 --> 00:50:19,680 Margaret Schwartz: here and talk to you. But we see you from 957 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,509 Margaret Schwartz: afar, so this is exciting for me. 958 00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:23,430 Meb Keflezighi: Very kind of you. It's great to be with you. 959 00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:27,690 Meb Keflezighi: So let's get to, wow, 263 races with the New 960 00:50:27,690 --> 00:50:33,779 Meb Keflezighi: York Road Runners, you run the TCS New York City Marathon 20 times, but 961 00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:38,520 Meb Keflezighi: now you consider yourself retired from the 26.2 miles. What 962 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,610 Meb Keflezighi: drove you to run year after year? How did you 963 00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:45,120 Meb Keflezighi: give yourself permission to stop the 26. 2? 964 00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:49,440 Margaret Schwartz: Well, it's a soft provision, Meb, I'm not going to lie. 965 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,410 Margaret Schwartz: It hasn't been easy. And in my own mind, I 966 00:50:52,410 --> 00:50:56,219 Margaret Schwartz: haven't missed one marathon yet. So when vacations come up 967 00:50:56,219 --> 00:50:58,920 Margaret Schwartz: and someone says, " First Sunday of November," I'm like, " Not 968 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,200 Margaret Schwartz: yet." I still have to be in New York City 969 00:51:01,650 --> 00:51:05,040 Margaret Schwartz: on what I believe, maybe next to the Thanksgiving Day 970 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,480 Margaret Schwartz: Parade, is one of the most happiest times in New 971 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,870 Margaret Schwartz: York City. So it's my favorite day. So permission was 972 00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:21,000 Margaret Schwartz: I just wanted to quit while I was ahead. I 973 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,430 Margaret Schwartz: had a few injuries along the way. We can all 974 00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:28,379 Margaret Schwartz: cringe at plantar fasciitis. I had a labral tear at one 975 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:30,840 Margaret Schwartz: point, and thought I'd never come back again, where a 976 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,520 Margaret Schwartz: friend of mine convinced me to, or I used the 977 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,450 Margaret Schwartz: Galloway method to do probably what was my 14th marathon, to 978 00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:43,379 Margaret Schwartz: keep the streak going. And then I became a streaker, 979 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:47,640 Margaret Schwartz: and knew I'd have guaranteed entry. And so I guess 980 00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:50,489 Margaret Schwartz: in the back of my mind, I know that I 981 00:51:50,489 --> 00:51:55,170 Margaret Schwartz: can run the marathon at any given time. And I'm 982 00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:58,140 Margaret Schwartz: turning 59 this year, and then I thought to myself, " 983 00:51:58,140 --> 00:52:00,840 Margaret Schwartz: Maybe every decade I'll just complete it, so I'll do 984 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,350 Margaret Schwartz: it when I'm 60." Who knows? I don't know. Jury's 985 00:52:04,350 --> 00:52:05,070 Margaret Schwartz: out on that one. 986 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,500 Meb Keflezighi: It's a wonderful idea. I think it's great to be 987 00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:09,989 Meb Keflezighi: able to do what you have done, 20 of them, 988 00:52:09,989 --> 00:52:12,060 Meb Keflezighi: and then if you have the desire or the urge to 989 00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:14,700 Meb Keflezighi: come back every decades, we'd love to see you there. 990 00:52:15,810 --> 00:52:19,890 Meb Keflezighi: From your perspective though, how was running the first marathon 991 00:52:19,890 --> 00:52:21,150 Meb Keflezighi: different from running the 20th time? 992 00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:26,190 Margaret Schwartz: The first one is, for me, and this is all 993 00:52:26,190 --> 00:52:30,270 Margaret Schwartz: my personal experience, no one in my family was a 994 00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:33,569 Margaret Schwartz: runner, and I wasn't a runner. And I had started 995 00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:39,450 Margaret Schwartz: working close to Central Park. And back in 2000, yay, Central 996 00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:43,380 Margaret Schwartz: Park Conservancy. The Central Park wasn't what it is today. 997 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:45,900 Margaret Schwartz: So I would leave. Back then, there were no phones. 998 00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:49,650 Margaret Schwartz: I would leave a note with a person, saying, " I'm 999 00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:51,509 Margaret Schwartz: going to Central Park now. If I'm not back in 1000 00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:54,930 Margaret Schwartz: an hour, something has happened to me." So I mean, I feel 1001 00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:58,050 Margaret Schwartz: like I'm sort of getting that experience, because we take 1002 00:52:58,050 --> 00:53:00,540 Margaret Schwartz: it for granted, this beautiful place that we have to 1003 00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:03,420 Margaret Schwartz: run. And for me, as a little girl, I grew 1004 00:53:03,420 --> 00:53:05,850 Margaret Schwartz: up in Queens, and I always went to watch the 1005 00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:10,080 Margaret Schwartz: marathon, I guess 15 and a half at the Queensborough Bridge, and 1006 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,030 Margaret Schwartz: I just thought they were people doing something that I 1007 00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:14,460 Margaret Schwartz: could never do. And then one year, my friend, in 1008 00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:18,960 Margaret Schwartz: 1999, did it. And so I finally knew someone who 1009 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,120 Margaret Schwartz: ran the marathon, and I thought " I can do that." 1010 00:53:21,810 --> 00:53:23,700 Margaret Schwartz: And so it's really about completing it for me, and 1011 00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,910 Margaret Schwartz: I thought " One and done, I'm out." And then it was, " 1012 00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:28,200 Margaret Schwartz: Well, let's see if I can do it a little 1013 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,090 Margaret Schwartz: better the second time." And then it was "Now I qualified 1014 00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:35,670 Margaret Schwartz: for Boston. Okay, I'm going to end it with Boston." 1015 00:53:35,969 --> 00:53:38,760 Margaret Schwartz: And I remember talking to someone on the plane to 1016 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,060 Margaret Schwartz: Boston, and I said, " Well, no, this was I thought 1017 00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:43,800 Margaret Schwartz: it would never happen, so I'm going to be done 1018 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,690 Margaret Schwartz: here." And she looked at me, and she said, " No, you're 1019 00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:49,980 Margaret Schwartz: not." I don't know what she saw in me. But the 1020 00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:53,130 Margaret Schwartz: last one was also special, because it was the 50th 1021 00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:55,589 Margaret Schwartz: running of the New York City Marathon, and I got 1022 00:53:55,590 --> 00:53:58,620 Margaret Schwartz: to do it with my wife. So I'd like to say maybe in 1023 00:53:58,620 --> 00:54:03,000 Margaret Schwartz: my last five marathons, I called them completing marathons. I 1024 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,420 Margaret Schwartz: didn't necessarily run them, I used the Galloway, and certainly, 1025 00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:08,640 Margaret Schwartz: that last one was a run- walk coming out of COVID. 1026 00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:12,029 Meb Keflezighi: Amazing. I said, my first one I did in New 1027 00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:13,830 Meb Keflezighi: York, I said, " This is my first and last, I don't 1028 00:54:14,130 --> 00:54:16,560 Meb Keflezighi: think I want to do it." But somehow, someway, you've done 1029 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,051 Meb Keflezighi: 20 of them, you've done 26, but we're grateful for that. 1030 00:54:19,051 --> 00:54:19,381 Margaret Schwartz: Yes. 1031 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,250 Meb Keflezighi: So you are also a crazy leg runner, which means 1032 00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:26,790 Meb Keflezighi: you have run the Mini- 10K at least 15 times. 1033 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,500 Meb Keflezighi: You ran your first Mini- 10K in 2001. What is it about 1034 00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:33,810 Meb Keflezighi: that race that makes you want to keep coming back? 1035 00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:38,460 Margaret Schwartz: I love that race. First and foremost, I think the new course 1036 00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:40,290 Margaret Schwartz: is great. It's a little outside of the park, so you 1037 00:54:40,410 --> 00:54:43,560 Margaret Schwartz: got that first mile on Central Park West. But along 1038 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,950 Margaret Schwartz: with that, there was a time, and I always say 1039 00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:50,160 Margaret Schwartz: this to my running students, where they didn't think women 1040 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,730 Margaret Schwartz: could run more than a 5K, and that's the impetus 1041 00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:56,700 Margaret Schwartz: of that race, to run the 10K, and that women 1042 00:54:56,700 --> 00:55:00,450 Margaret Schwartz: got together, and said, " We can do this." But the 1043 00:55:00,450 --> 00:55:04,620 Margaret Schwartz: New York City Marathon, people like me get to run 1044 00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:09,180 Margaret Schwartz: next to people like you, or Edna Kiplagat, or Catherine 1045 00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:12,660 Margaret Schwartz: Switzer. And it's just mind blowing that we can be 1046 00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:18,270 Margaret Schwartz: sort of these non- professionals doing our best. And I 1047 00:55:18,270 --> 00:55:20,910 Margaret Schwartz: always say in that race, at the halfway point, the 1048 00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:24,330 Margaret Schwartz: race is over. Somebody already won. It's just crazy that 1049 00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:27,180 Margaret Schwartz: these women are doing it in 30 minutes. It's just 1050 00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:31,080 Margaret Schwartz: crazy. So I love that race, and so in my heart, 1051 00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:33,330 Margaret Schwartz: it will always be a crazy... It will always be 1052 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:36,810 Margaret Schwartz: a Mini and one New York City half. If it's 1053 00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:41,580 Margaret Schwartz: not the United, perhaps Brooklyn, but there will always be 1054 00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:46,319 Margaret Schwartz: a New York Road Runners half- marathon and the crazy lights 1055 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,790 Margaret Schwartz: for me, as long as I can do it. 1056 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,580 Meb Keflezighi: You're going to keep doing it. Just keep doing those small things, that makes 1057 00:55:50,850 --> 00:55:52,799 Meb Keflezighi: a big difference. You're inspiring many. 1058 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,010 Margaret Schwartz: Yeah. 1059 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,690 Meb Keflezighi: But now, your endurance sport is swimming. How does swimming 1060 00:55:57,690 --> 00:56:00,420 Meb Keflezighi: in open water compare to running a marathon? 1061 00:56:01,050 --> 00:56:04,890 Margaret Schwartz: They're very similar, except it takes you much longer to 1062 00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:08,009 Margaret Schwartz: swim a mile than to run a mile. Whether it's 1063 00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:12,150 Margaret Schwartz: me or you, it just takes longer. So I remember 1064 00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:14,460 Margaret Schwartz: the first time when I thought I could swim a 1065 00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:17,969 Margaret Schwartz: 5K, I had two miles under my belt easy, and I said, " 1066 00:56:17,969 --> 00:56:21,660 Margaret Schwartz: What's another one?" It's a lot. And the truth is 1067 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,109 Margaret Schwartz: when you're running, you can start to walk. When you're 1068 00:56:25,110 --> 00:56:29,969 Margaret Schwartz: swimming, there's no walking, and usually no standing up. I 1069 00:56:29,969 --> 00:56:33,390 Margaret Schwartz: swim with a safety buoy, so it's different in that 1070 00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:42,420 Margaret Schwartz: respect. They're very similar though, nutrition- wise, so I can 1071 00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:47,520 Margaret Schwartz: use the skills I had from running distance events and 1072 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,140 Margaret Schwartz: put them into swimming events. And it's much easier on 1073 00:56:52,140 --> 00:56:56,400 Margaret Schwartz: my body. I know when I run a 5K, but 1074 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,160 Margaret Schwartz: sometimes I can forget that I swam a 5K, I just 1075 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,140 Margaret Schwartz: don't feel it in physical body as much. 1076 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,689 Meb Keflezighi: No, the impact is definitely less on the body, but 1077 00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:06,150 Meb Keflezighi: I think you're doing a great job balancing 10K, the 1078 00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:09,450 Meb Keflezighi: mini, or the United Airline Half- marathon, stuff like that, 1079 00:57:09,450 --> 00:57:13,980 Meb Keflezighi: to do great job. So how did participating in yoga 1080 00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:17,010 Meb Keflezighi: make a difference in your running, and do you find 1081 00:57:17,010 --> 00:57:19,020 Meb Keflezighi: it helps with your swimming as well? 1082 00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:24,930 Margaret Schwartz: Well, I started yoga probably in the late- 90s, when 1083 00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:28,050 Margaret Schwartz: it wasn't as in vogue as it is now. And 1084 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:35,070 Margaret Schwartz: I think like many runners are terrible about post- recovery, 1085 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,550 Margaret Schwartz: like doing stretching. So for me, as a student, it 1086 00:57:39,450 --> 00:57:42,120 Margaret Schwartz: forced me to stretch. It forced me to move my 1087 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,410 Margaret Schwartz: body differently. But there is similarities with it, and as 1088 00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:50,220 Margaret Schwartz: a yoga instructor, and knowing more about yoga in general, 1089 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:56,250 Margaret Schwartz: the mind- body connection is, to me, the same. So 1090 00:57:56,250 --> 00:58:00,510 Margaret Schwartz: if you're in a hard posture, even if it's warrior 1091 00:58:00,510 --> 00:58:05,400 Margaret Schwartz: one, it's been said that the second you want to 1092 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,040 Margaret Schwartz: come out of the posture is when the yoga begins. 1093 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,280 Margaret Schwartz: And just like when you hit mile 20, for me, 1094 00:58:11,850 --> 00:58:16,680 Margaret Schwartz: that's the marathon. The final 10K is the marathon. 20, 1095 00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:20,520 Margaret Schwartz: we all do that. That last 10K is more here 1096 00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:24,270 Margaret Schwartz: than physically for me. I can't speak for anybody else. 1097 00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:28,350 Meb Keflezighi: I think I could relate. The last 10K is a more mental 1098 00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:32,970 Meb Keflezighi: thing. But having done yoga since 1994, '95 also kind of 1099 00:58:32,970 --> 00:58:37,770 Meb Keflezighi: helps you with everything, to just stretch, be in the moment, and visualization. 1100 00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:41,490 Meb Keflezighi: With all your experiences as a runner, swimmer, and a 1101 00:58:41,490 --> 00:58:45,690 Meb Keflezighi: coach, what's the biggest insight or piece of advice you 1102 00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:47,790 Meb Keflezighi: find to yourself sharing with others? 1103 00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:54,420 Margaret Schwartz: Well, with my experience, so in my mind, I know 1104 00:58:54,420 --> 00:58:58,140 Margaret Schwartz: that I'm capable in the distance. For those 20 years 1105 00:58:58,140 --> 00:59:01,350 Margaret Schwartz: that I was running, I always had a base, always. 1106 00:59:01,770 --> 00:59:04,410 Margaret Schwartz: And so when I stopped running the marathon, I thought 1107 00:59:04,410 --> 00:59:07,170 Margaret Schwartz: I could just run 10K and just bang that out. I 1108 00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:10,200 Margaret Schwartz: cannot do that. You still have to build. So I 1109 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,450 Margaret Schwartz: actually had to train for a half- marathon for the first time. I was always half-marathon ready. So knowing where you are in the 1110 00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:20,550 Margaret Schwartz: moment, it doesn't matter what you did six months ago 1111 00:59:20,550 --> 00:59:25,290 Margaret Schwartz: or six years ago. Although mentally, that foundation is still 1112 00:59:25,290 --> 00:59:28,200 Margaret Schwartz: there, I like to train, Meb, on the less is 1113 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,980 Margaret Schwartz: more. Less is more. And especially as you get older, 1114 00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:37,410 Margaret Schwartz: pushing those miles, and having 40, 50- mile weeks, which by 1115 00:59:37,410 --> 00:59:40,650 Margaret Schwartz: the way, if you have any other life besides running, 1116 00:59:40,650 --> 00:59:44,460 Margaret Schwartz: if you're not professional, you have another job. So actually, 1117 00:59:44,460 --> 00:59:50,040 Margaret Schwartz: to put that time in is very time consuming and 1118 00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:55,560 Margaret Schwartz: hard on the body, hard mentally. So I'd just say 1119 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,410 Margaret Schwartz: less is more. Have your base before you even start 1120 00:59:58,410 --> 01:00:01,439 Margaret Schwartz: training for a marathon, and then build on that. And 1121 01:00:01,470 --> 01:00:03,720 Margaret Schwartz: always distance first. I mean, you know this. This isn't 1122 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:08,070 Margaret Schwartz: anything that we can't find anywhere. Speed is second. Complete, 1123 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,320 Margaret Schwartz: and then add your speed to it. One of my 1124 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,760 Margaret Schwartz: friends told me, who became a full Ironman, Kona Ironman, 1125 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,220 Margaret Schwartz: and was injured along the way, she said " The one 1126 01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:20,910 Margaret Schwartz: reason why I had longevity was because I never pushed 1127 01:00:20,910 --> 01:00:23,729 Margaret Schwartz: the speed," and I think she was right. 1128 01:00:23,970 --> 01:00:26,940 Meb Keflezighi: I agree. I think the base is important. You could always 1129 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,220 Meb Keflezighi: convert endurance to speed, but you can't convert speed to endurance. 1130 01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:34,470 Meb Keflezighi: So as long you can do the fundamental work and 1131 01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:38,610 Meb Keflezighi: progression run, and longevity is important. So as long as you're having fun, 1132 01:00:38,610 --> 01:00:42,810 Meb Keflezighi: staying healthy, have a maintained lifestyle, a healthy lifestyle, great 1133 01:00:42,810 --> 01:00:44,310 Meb Keflezighi: things can happen. So Margaret- 1134 01:00:44,670 --> 01:00:45,210 Margaret Schwartz: Can I ask you a question, Meb? 1135 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:45,300 Meb Keflezighi: Sure. 1136 01:00:47,310 --> 01:00:50,700 Margaret Schwartz: Because the final marathon you did, of course I did a 1137 01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:54,420 Margaret Schwartz: little history here, looked back, a little homework. You were 1138 01:00:54,810 --> 01:00:59,130 Margaret Schwartz: one hour longer than you're winning New York City Marathon 1139 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,360 Margaret Schwartz: time. How was that for you? Because I'm one hour 1140 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,610 Margaret Schwartz: longer than I have ever been, and then you get to 1141 01:01:05,610 --> 01:01:07,860 Margaret Schwartz: a time where it is what it is, right? It 1142 01:01:07,860 --> 01:01:08,370 Margaret Schwartz: is what it is. 1143 01:01:08,370 --> 01:01:11,790 Meb Keflezighi: I was with a New Balance person yesterday, having a 1144 01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:18,780 Meb Keflezighi: dinner, I said that win in Boston, or the finish equally 1145 01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:22,170 Meb Keflezighi: hurt the last time I did it, last year. Same 1146 01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:26,580 Meb Keflezighi: pain. But at the same time, I was ready for 1147 01:01:26,580 --> 01:01:28,860 Meb Keflezighi: it. It's just the last time, I had a lot of 1148 01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:32,340 Meb Keflezighi: injuries going into the race. But it equally hurts. You 1149 01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:35,970 Meb Keflezighi: have to prepare for it. A marathon, you can't just 1150 01:01:35,970 --> 01:01:38,160 Meb Keflezighi: walk into it, you have to do the work. And 1151 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,500 Meb Keflezighi: if you do the work, we might make it look seamless 1152 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:43,080 Meb Keflezighi: or effortless, but it hurts. Whether you're in front of 1153 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,930 Meb Keflezighi: the pack or the middle of the pack or the back of the pack, it hurts. 1154 01:01:46,050 --> 01:01:48,030 Meb Keflezighi: But at the end of the day, you could say, "Hey, I 1155 01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:50,100 Meb Keflezighi: have done it." Coming across the finish line is such 1156 01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:52,020 Meb Keflezighi: a gratifying moment, no matter what. 1157 01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:56,460 Margaret Schwartz: I think exactly what you just said, it hurts at 1158 01:01:56,460 --> 01:01:57,690 Margaret Schwartz: 208 and it hurts at 308. 1159 01:01:57,690 --> 01:01:57,750 Meb Keflezighi: Yeah. 1160 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,810 Margaret Schwartz: But yet you feel like you're running as fast as 1161 01:02:00,810 --> 01:02:01,740 Margaret Schwartz: you did when you ran that 208. 1162 01:02:02,310 --> 01:02:06,210 Meb Keflezighi: The only thing, Margaret, I could say, is if you can do even pace or negative splits, it 1163 01:02:06,210 --> 01:02:09,060 Meb Keflezighi: hurts a little bit more than then just going out 1164 01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:14,370 Meb Keflezighi: hard. If you go 127 and come back 140, that's 1165 01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:15,871 Meb Keflezighi: not pretty, that hurts. 1166 01:02:15,871 --> 01:02:15,961 Margaret Schwartz: Heartbreaking, heartbreaking. Go for the negative split always. 1167 01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:21,990 Meb Keflezighi: Negative split. Makes it easier. It doesn't mean it doesn't 1168 01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:24,150 Meb Keflezighi: hurt, it just makes it easier that day, and also 1169 01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:25,050 Meb Keflezighi: the recovery process. 1170 01:02:25,050 --> 01:02:25,620 Margaret Schwartz: Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. 1171 01:02:26,190 --> 01:02:27,870 Meb Keflezighi: So great time to be able to talk to you 1172 01:02:27,930 --> 01:02:30,540 Meb Keflezighi: as Member Moments, Margaret. Keep up the great work, and 1173 01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:32,520 Meb Keflezighi: congratulations on all your accomplishments. 1174 01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:36,450 Margaret Schwartz: Thank you. Thank you, Meb. So nice to be with you here, and 1175 01:02:36,450 --> 01:02:39,600 Margaret Schwartz: very inspirational. My friends are going to be very jealous, 1176 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:40,290 Margaret Schwartz: that's all I'm saying. 1177 01:02:40,290 --> 01:02:42,360 Meb Keflezighi: We had a nice conversation. Pleasure to be with you. 1178 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,430 Margaret Schwartz: Yes, hopefully I'll see you at the Streaker Luncheon. 1179 01:02:44,430 --> 01:02:45,480 Meb Keflezighi: All right, sounds good. 1180 01:02:45,810 --> 01:02:48,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: Now it's time for today's Meb minute with HSS. 1181 01:02:49,260 --> 01:02:52,770 Meb Keflezighi: Thanks, Rob. Chrysta, welcome to Set the Pace Podcast. How's 1182 01:02:52,770 --> 01:02:53,041 Meb Keflezighi: it going today? 1183 01:02:53,041 --> 01:02:53,371 Chrysta: Great. Yeah, it's going really well. 1184 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,490 Meb Keflezighi: Great to have you. Many recreational runners aren't sure whether 1185 01:02:59,490 --> 01:03:03,540 Meb Keflezighi: their aches are normal or a sign they need help. How do 1186 01:03:03,540 --> 01:03:07,110 Meb Keflezighi: you assess runner's gait and foot mechanics to decide whether 1187 01:03:07,110 --> 01:03:11,130 Meb Keflezighi: the custom insert could be beneficial, or if a well- 1188 01:03:11,130 --> 01:03:12,930 Meb Keflezighi: chosen shoe is sufficient enough? 1189 01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:18,510 Chrysta: Sure. So I think there are a few things that we do in a clinical setting that actually, 1190 01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:23,700 Chrysta: we recommend patients and runners can do at home, two 1191 01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:26,610 Chrysta: types of assessment that they can do of their own 1192 01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:30,450 Chrysta: feet and their own alignment. One is a static assessment, 1193 01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:34,800 Chrysta: this means just standing and observing. I think the first 1194 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,900 Chrysta: really helpful thing you can do is look at where 1195 01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:40,229 Chrysta: you have calluses on your feet. Calluses is a little 1196 01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:43,950 Chrysta: bit of your body's way of saying, " I wasn't quite 1197 01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:46,560 Chrysta: designed for the pressure and forces you're putting on this 1198 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,820 Chrysta: section of my foot." So the calluses can be indicative 1199 01:03:50,850 --> 01:03:54,930 Chrysta: of areas that have too much friction, or too much 1200 01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:58,320 Chrysta: pressure against them, while you're running and moving. So looking 1201 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,280 Chrysta: at those calluses and seeing where they're located. The second 1202 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,070 Chrysta: is looking at your alignment, standing in front of a 1203 01:04:05,070 --> 01:04:08,550 Chrysta: mirror, or doing a footprint test, where even almost like 1204 01:04:08,550 --> 01:04:11,550 Chrysta: just stepping with a wet foot on a piece of 1205 01:04:11,550 --> 01:04:16,050 Chrysta: paper and seeing how much of that bottom surface of 1206 01:04:16,050 --> 01:04:19,919 Chrysta: your foot is contacting the ground. And you can see 1207 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,060 Chrysta: online, they're really easy to find, footprint alignments that show 1208 01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:27,840 Chrysta: you a high, normal, or flat arch. Essentially, the more 1209 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,630 Chrysta: that that footprint is in contact with the ground, the 1210 01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:33,210 Chrysta: flatter your foot. The less in contact, where it looks 1211 01:04:33,210 --> 01:04:35,130 Chrysta: like it's jumping from the heel to the ball of 1212 01:04:35,130 --> 01:04:38,100 Chrysta: the foot, that's a higher arch. And you're sort of 1213 01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:43,290 Chrysta: trying to determine what type of arch alignment you personally 1214 01:04:43,290 --> 01:04:46,230 Chrysta: have, and that's what we'll use to determine if you 1215 01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:50,070 Chrysta: need something more significant. So callusing, looking at your foot 1216 01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:54,000 Chrysta: alignment, and then looking at the mobility of... Primarily, I 1217 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,580 Chrysta: think the biggest ones for runners are your calf, so 1218 01:04:56,580 --> 01:05:00,120 Chrysta: how much ankle movement do you have, and your first 1219 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,540 Chrysta: toe. So your calf, you should be able to get 1220 01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:07,710 Chrysta: at least 10 degrees of motion, up from 90 degrees, 1221 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,170 Chrysta: and you should be able to get that first toe 1222 01:05:10,170 --> 01:05:12,480 Chrysta: to be at a 90 degree angle up with the 1223 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,900 Chrysta: rest of your foot. And if you're not, that sort 1224 01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:19,980 Chrysta: of tightness, or you have significant tightness, that's usually indicative of 1225 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,850 Chrysta: maybe some orthotic intervention, or a different type of shoe 1226 01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:27,390 Chrysta: might be beneficial. So that's sort of the static things. 1227 01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:30,990 Chrysta: And then the dynamic things are really just having people 1228 01:05:30,990 --> 01:05:34,680 Chrysta: take videos, or looking at pictures of your running, and 1229 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,620 Chrysta: seeing what your foot and ankle alignment look like when 1230 01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:40,560 Chrysta: you're running. So if your knees are collapsing inward, your 1231 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,770 Chrysta: feet are rolling inward, your heels are rolling inward, that 1232 01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:47,580 Chrysta: usually indicates a flatter arch, and that might be something 1233 01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:50,220 Chrysta: that we'd want to do an orthotic intervention or a 1234 01:05:50,220 --> 01:05:53,130 Chrysta: more substantial shoe for. 1235 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,490 Meb Keflezighi: Pretty awesome information. Self- diagnose a little bit, and then go 1236 01:05:56,490 --> 01:05:57,540 Meb Keflezighi: to the experts. 1237 01:05:57,810 --> 01:05:58,050 Chrysta: Yeah. 1238 01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:02,190 Meb Keflezighi: For someone dealing with recurring shin splints, or plantar fascia, 1239 01:06:02,190 --> 01:06:06,690 Meb Keflezighi: what role can orthotic insert play in reducing pain or 1240 01:06:06,690 --> 01:06:08,370 Meb Keflezighi: helping them get back into training? 1241 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,840 Chrysta: Sure. So shin splints happen for a few reasons, one 1242 01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:16,020 Chrysta: reason can be overtraining. So sometimes it's just that you're 1243 01:06:16,020 --> 01:06:20,070 Chrysta: overtraining, and that might be more of a physical therapy strengthening 1244 01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:24,330 Chrysta: adjustment to your training schedule intervention. But orthotics can really 1245 01:06:24,330 --> 01:06:27,210 Chrysta: help if one of the things contributing to your shin 1246 01:06:27,210 --> 01:06:30,480 Chrysta: splints is that you're over pronating, so that arch is 1247 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,660 Chrysta: collapsing a little too much while you're running and putting 1248 01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:38,490 Chrysta: a little bit of a rotational force on that shin, 1249 01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:41,250 Chrysta: which is more likely to result in you developing the 1250 01:06:41,250 --> 01:06:44,220 Chrysta: shin splints. So having an arch support that puts your 1251 01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:49,860 Chrysta: arch in the correct alignment and provides good support along 1252 01:06:49,860 --> 01:06:52,440 Chrysta: the inside arch of your foot, can really help your 1253 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,230 Chrysta: muscles act in the plane that they're supposed to be 1254 01:06:55,230 --> 01:06:58,410 Chrysta: functioning in, instead of having this extra rotation put on 1255 01:06:58,410 --> 01:07:01,410 Chrysta: them when you over pronate. And I always recommend for things 1256 01:07:01,410 --> 01:07:04,290 Chrysta: like shin splints, that people, especially if it's their first 1257 01:07:04,290 --> 01:07:07,110 Chrysta: time, or it's a milder case and they've done some 1258 01:07:07,110 --> 01:07:10,500 Chrysta: physical therapy, or changes to their training, and it seemed 1259 01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:13,260 Chrysta: to go away, that they really start with an off- the- 1260 01:07:13,260 --> 01:07:17,640 Chrysta: shelf orthotic insert and see if that's enough. If it's 1261 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,180 Chrysta: a recurring problem, then I usually recommend people go to 1262 01:07:21,180 --> 01:07:23,790 Chrysta: somebody, like an orthotist or podiatrist, to see if they 1263 01:07:23,790 --> 01:07:27,600 Chrysta: can get something custom- made to really more directly address 1264 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,000 Chrysta: their alignment if they're continually seeing the shin splints reoccur. 1265 01:07:30,570 --> 01:07:33,120 Meb Keflezighi: And how long is too long to have a problem? 1266 01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:34,920 Meb Keflezighi: Sometimes you say, " Oh, it's going to get better. It's 1267 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,140 Meb Keflezighi: going to get better." Is it a month, is it weeks? And 1268 01:07:37,290 --> 01:07:39,390 Meb Keflezighi: for me, personally, when I was at UCLA, I used 1269 01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:42,330 Meb Keflezighi: to have, and when I first wake up and the 1270 01:07:42,330 --> 01:07:46,260 Meb Keflezighi: first three, four steps were excruciating pain, so when is 1271 01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:47,910 Meb Keflezighi: the time to go see a professionalist? 1272 01:07:48,330 --> 01:07:53,220 Chrysta: Yeah, I'd say anytime this pain is more significant, like 1273 01:07:53,220 --> 01:07:55,830 Chrysta: where it's excruciating, I would say always go to see 1274 01:07:55,830 --> 01:07:58,919 Chrysta: a specialist, if you're starting to see a significant amount 1275 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,520 Chrysta: of pain. If it's more of a soreness, and it seems 1276 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,610 Chrysta: to go away within, I'd say, give it a two 1277 01:08:05,610 --> 01:08:09,750 Chrysta: to three- month period with intervention to see if something's 1278 01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:14,160 Chrysta: working. If after three months, you've tried off- the- shelf 1279 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:19,500 Chrysta: foot orthotics, you've tried stretching interventions, you've done some exercises 1280 01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:22,590 Chrysta: to help strengthen your muscles, like you're intervening, you've changed 1281 01:08:22,590 --> 01:08:24,660 Chrysta: your shoes. That's the first thing I tell people, " You 1282 01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:26,400 Chrysta: have shin splints, when was the last time you bought 1283 01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:28,349 Chrysta: a new pair of running sneakers?" Change your shoes. 1284 01:08:28,679 --> 01:08:28,921 Meb Keflezighi: Treat yourself. 1285 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,640 Chrysta: Right. Change your shoes, because sometimes it's just that the 1286 01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:36,930 Chrysta: padding and the foam has worn down, and the shoe 1287 01:08:36,930 --> 01:08:39,090 Chrysta: is just not providing the same amount of cushioning and 1288 01:08:39,090 --> 01:08:42,120 Chrysta: impact absorption that it used to. So I'd say more 1289 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:46,020 Chrysta: than three months, definitely go see somebody. Anything that feels 1290 01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:50,340 Chrysta: significant or very poignant, like this sharp pain here, very 1291 01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:54,840 Chrysta: localized, or it's consistent, it's hurting all day, then definitely 1292 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,600 Chrysta: see somebody much sooner than that. I would say within the 1293 01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,880 Chrysta: first week or two of starting to experience the pain, 1294 01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,860 Chrysta: you want to see somebody much sooner, because you could 1295 01:09:01,860 --> 01:09:05,250 Chrysta: also be misdiagnosing it. It could be something different than 1296 01:09:05,250 --> 01:09:08,280 Chrysta: shin splints, especially if it's that acute and sharp. But 1297 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,250 Chrysta: the dull ache, which seems to go away and come 1298 01:09:11,250 --> 01:09:14,580 Chrysta: back every now and then, try interventions for, I would 1299 01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:16,620 Chrysta: say, two to three months, to see if they work, 1300 01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:19,950 Chrysta: and if not, then escalate to the next level. 1301 01:09:20,910 --> 01:09:24,479 Meb Keflezighi: Great job. I think it's always good to self- diagnose 1302 01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,220 Meb Keflezighi: a little bit, when you going for a run, kind of 1303 01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:28,800 Meb Keflezighi: pay attention a little bit to what the body is doing and 1304 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,439 Meb Keflezighi: try to stretch in the stability and exercise. And if 1305 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,040 Meb Keflezighi: not, then go see yourself a specialist. But yeah, when you have 1306 01:09:35,310 --> 01:09:37,470 Meb Keflezighi: a little bit knee or plantar fascia, it could be 1307 01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:40,200 Meb Keflezighi: the shoes, simple as that. But if not, you got 1308 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,700 Meb Keflezighi: to go to the experts. 1309 01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:42,780 Chrysta: Yeah, for sure. 1310 01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:45,960 Meb Keflezighi: Well, Chrysta, I said it all here. Thank you so much for taking 1311 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,180 Meb Keflezighi: the time to give out this wise advice to be 1312 01:09:48,180 --> 01:09:51,570 Meb Keflezighi: better runners, and be able to move forward quickly and 1313 01:09:51,570 --> 01:09:52,559 Meb Keflezighi: efficiently as possible. 1314 01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:53,881 Chrysta: Of course. Thank you so much for having me. 1315 01:09:53,881 --> 01:09:53,882 Meb Keflezighi: My pleasure. 1316 01:09:53,882 --> 01:09:58,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right, that does it for another episode of Set The 1317 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: Pace. We want to thank our guests today, Susie Chan 1318 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:07,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: from Peloton, Margaret Schwartz, and HSS's Chrysta Irolla. 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