1 00:00:00,540 --> 00:00:02,310 Carey Socol: I was not like running with them in the stroller. 2 00:00:02,310 --> 00:00:04,680 Carey Socol: It was really my break. It was really my time 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,380 Carey Socol: that I would negotiate to go for a run. It's 4 00:00:07,380 --> 00:00:10,710 Carey Socol: how I've mothered. It's how I've done my job. It's 5 00:00:11,070 --> 00:00:15,420 Carey Socol: how I've managed stress, anxiety. Anything is a run for me. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Set the 7 00:00:22,980 --> 00:00:26,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: Pace, the official podcast of New York Road Runners presented 8 00:00:26,190 --> 00:00:28,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: by Peloton. I'm your host and the CEO of New 9 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:32,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: York Road Runners, Rob Simmelkjaer, and it's another episode another 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: week without Becs. We're missing Becs. She is still over 11 00:00:36,659 --> 00:00:41,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: in Europe after a year filled with marathons for Becs, 12 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:45,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: for her partner Austin. They're taking a few weeks off, 13 00:00:45,330 --> 00:00:47,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: so I hope she's having a great time over there. 14 00:00:47,970 --> 00:00:50,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: And Happy Mother's Day to Becs and to all the 15 00:00:50,850 --> 00:00:53,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: moms out there who are listening, all the moms in our 16 00:00:53,850 --> 00:00:56,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners community. Hope you all have a 17 00:00:56,970 --> 00:01:00,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: great, great Mother's Day Weekend. You deserve it. And it's 18 00:01:00,990 --> 00:01:03,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: an off weekend for us here at New York Road 19 00:01:03,450 --> 00:01:06,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: Runners, of course, for the moms and also so that 20 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:09,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: we can get ready for the RBC Brooklyn Half, which 21 00:01:09,390 --> 00:01:13,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: is coming right at us next week. This past weekend 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,069 Rob Simmelkjaer: was our second annual Mindful 5K, a race that we 23 00:01:17,069 --> 00:01:21,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: created to kick off Mental Health Awareness Month. We had 24 00:01:21,060 --> 00:01:25,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: an absolutely gorgeous day at Flushing Meadows Park in Queens. 25 00:01:25,530 --> 00:01:28,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: Thousands of runners came out to celebrate the benefits of 26 00:01:28,620 --> 00:01:32,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: running for mental health. I was there and it was 27 00:01:32,010 --> 00:01:34,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: so beautiful. I actually had not planned on running the 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: race. I came in my khaki shorts and like a 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: golf shirt, but I was wearing my running shoes and 30 00:01:40,470 --> 00:01:42,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: I got there and it was just one of those 31 00:01:42,810 --> 00:01:44,699 Rob Simmelkjaer: mornings. You ever have a morning where you don't think 32 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:47,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: you're going to run, but you step outside and the 33 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:50,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: air is so perfect, you're like, " Oh no, I have to 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: run." And it was absolutely spectacular. We really loved it. 35 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:58,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: We not only had the race. We had a Zen 36 00:01:58,380 --> 00:02:02,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: zone before the race for some pre- race meditation. Our 37 00:02:02,250 --> 00:02:05,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: partners had an organization called NAMI were there as well, 38 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:09,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: National Alliance for Mental Illness. They were there with information 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,918 Rob Simmelkjaer: for people. It's just great to talk to runners about 40 00:02:14,310 --> 00:02:18,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: why they run. And so many people run because of 41 00:02:18,090 --> 00:02:21,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: the way it makes them feel. The answer I get 42 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,639 Rob Simmelkjaer: most often when I ask someone why they run is 43 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,609 Rob Simmelkjaer: that it's free therapy, right? That's how so many people 44 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:28,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: see it. I know that's how I see it. And 45 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:32,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: we love having this race to kick off Mental Health 46 00:02:32,430 --> 00:02:35,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: Awareness Month. And what I ask the runners at the 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: starting line of that race, I'll ask all of you as 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,889 Rob Simmelkjaer: well, which is, if running is a big part of 49 00:02:40,889 --> 00:02:44,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: your mental health, tell a friend. Tell someone you know 50 00:02:44,850 --> 00:02:48,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: who is stressed out or is dealing with whatever mental 51 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:51,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: health challenges we all deal with day to day and 52 00:02:51,450 --> 00:02:54,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: tell them what running has done for you in helping 53 00:02:54,270 --> 00:02:57,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: clear your mind. Because when you do that, you're giving 54 00:02:57,090 --> 00:03:01,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: them a gift and you're helping them potentially discover running 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: as something that can help them live a better life 56 00:03:04,110 --> 00:03:06,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: as well. So anyway, thanks to everybody who ran. It 57 00:03:06,930 --> 00:03:09,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: was a great day. Our winners on Saturday. On the 58 00:03:09,570 --> 00:03:13,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: men's side it was Jeremy Arthur of Dashing Whippets with 59 00:03:13,470 --> 00:03:17,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: a time of 15:44. The non- binary winner was Pierce 60 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:21,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: Lydon with a time of 17: 57. And on the female 61 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,889 Rob Simmelkjaer: side, Becca, it's either Ades or Ades with a time of 18: 62 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: 36. Congratulations to our winners. And it wasn't just adults 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: running on Saturday. We had more than 450 of our 64 00:03:34,410 --> 00:03:37,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: stage one, two and three kids come out for a 65 00:03:37,710 --> 00:03:41,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: Rising New York Road Runners at the Mindful 5K on 66 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: Saturday. We had a great turnout. The kids had a 67 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: great day as well, and I spent a lot of 68 00:03:45,810 --> 00:03:49,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: time over there giving high- fives to the kids. Perhaps 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: the highlight of the day for me actually was meeting 70 00:03:53,430 --> 00:03:57,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: two sets of kids, two schools actually who were there 71 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: as part of our new middle school running initiatives. This is a 72 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:06,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: program that you might remember we launched about a year 73 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:08,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: ago. We announced it about a year ago. We've had 74 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:12,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: a pilot program and now we're in our full first 75 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:15,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: year with this middle school running program. And I met 76 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: two coaches and their whole teams who were there because 77 00:04:18,930 --> 00:04:21,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: of this program. And I had a chance to talk 78 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:23,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: to some of the kids about what it's meant for 79 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:25,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: them to be in this program. They loved it. They 80 00:04:25,740 --> 00:04:29,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: talked about how running calms them down, how it gets 81 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:31,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: their energy out, how it actually helps them in school 82 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:35,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: as well. So it was kind of the perfect combination 83 00:04:35,190 --> 00:04:37,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: of what we do on the youth side at New 84 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:41,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: York Road Runners and Mental Health Awareness Month. Really, really 85 00:04:41,070 --> 00:04:43,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great day out in Queens. So thanks to everybody 86 00:04:43,260 --> 00:04:46,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: who came out. Well, as I mentioned, it's Mother's Day 87 00:04:46,110 --> 00:04:49,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: Weekend coming up. So to honor all of our runners 88 00:04:49,020 --> 00:04:51,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: who are also mothers out there, we've got two special 89 00:04:51,630 --> 00:04:55,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: mom guests today. The first is my good friend Carey 90 00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:59,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: Socol, who just a few years ago completed her quest 91 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:03,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: to run 50 marathons in 50 states before her 50th 92 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:06,719 Rob Simmelkjaer: birthday, running a lot of them in support of Every 93 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: Mother Counts. Running is Carey's way of processing life, work, 94 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: love, parenting, and also grief as she had a tragic 95 00:05:16,950 --> 00:05:20,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: story that she'll talk about during the interview. She's still 96 00:05:20,370 --> 00:05:23,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: going. She's got her 75th marathon coming up later this 97 00:05:23,580 --> 00:05:26,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: month, and as Carey talks about, she may try to 98 00:05:26,370 --> 00:05:28,979 Rob Simmelkjaer: get to a hundred. So that's coming up in just 99 00:05:28,980 --> 00:05:31,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: a minute. And then Meb will be here with today's 100 00:05:31,770 --> 00:05:35,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: member moment featuring New York Road Runners member Dalma Garcia, 101 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:39,029 Rob Simmelkjaer: a mother of two who is also the caretaker of her 102 00:05:39,029 --> 00:05:42,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: own mother who is suffering from Alzheimer's disease. Finally, in 103 00:05:42,990 --> 00:05:46,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: today's Meb Minute, Meb will give us his best advice on how 104 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: to prepare for mixed terrain races, something that we're hearing 105 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: more and more about as the ultra running boom continues 106 00:05:52,830 --> 00:05:57,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: to grow. And speaking of Meb, this week Meb celebrated his 107 00:05:57,540 --> 00:06:00,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: 50th birthday. 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Our guest today, Carey Socol has run 74 125 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,279 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathons, 64 half- marathons, and she's been a member of 126 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners since 1999. But running wasn't always 127 00:07:05,910 --> 00:07:08,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: part of her life. She grew up swimming and playing 128 00:07:08,730 --> 00:07:12,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: water polo, living in South Florida and didn't discover running 129 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:16,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: until graduate school at NYU where she began training with 130 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:20,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Jeff Galloway run- walk method. Since her first New 131 00:07:20,460 --> 00:07:24,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: York City Marathon in 2000, she's completed marathons in all 132 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:27,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: 50 states and the District of Columbia, many in support 133 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: of causes that she cares about, including maternal health. Along 134 00:07:31,590 --> 00:07:34,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: the way she's used her long runs to manage stress, 135 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:38,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: parent her kids, and even compose college recommendation letters in 136 00:07:38,670 --> 00:07:42,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: her head as a college counselor. In today's Mother's Day 137 00:07:42,180 --> 00:07:46,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: special, she joins us to talk about running, loss, joy 138 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:49,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: and how mothering shows up in more ways than one. 139 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:53,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: Carey Socol, marathon machine, welcome to Set The Pace. It's 140 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: nice to have you here. 141 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,880 Carey Socol: Thank you for having me, Rob. It's great to be here. 142 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: Absolutely. And great to spend time with you. We first 143 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: met in London where you had just run the London 144 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon, and since then ... How many have you run since 145 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:10,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: then? I met you at the London Marathon in 2023. How 146 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:11,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: many have you run since then? 147 00:08:12,180 --> 00:08:14,820 Carey Socol: Probably six maybe since then. 148 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, yeah, that's four more than me, so well done. Congratulations. 149 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:22,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: And running marathons is kind of what you do. I 150 00:08:22,650 --> 00:08:27,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: mean, that's an incredible number, 74 and 64 half. So we'll 151 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:30,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: get into your backstory in a second, but I think 152 00:08:30,570 --> 00:08:33,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: the first question I would wonder is how do people 153 00:08:33,630 --> 00:08:37,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: react when you tell them that you've run that many 154 00:08:37,140 --> 00:08:41,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathons, especially non- runners, what's the reaction you typically get 155 00:08:41,429 --> 00:08:42,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: when you tell people that? 156 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:44,760 Carey Socol: It's funny. I kind of have a game with it. 157 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,710 Carey Socol: Sometimes I try not to say anything and then I'll 158 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:49,589 Carey Socol: have one of my kids will say something for me 159 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:51,510 Carey Socol: or a friend will say something for me. I try 160 00:08:51,510 --> 00:08:54,870 Carey Socol: to be quite humble about it, which I'll say all 161 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:57,330 Carey Socol: the time is I meet people who have done so many more, 162 00:08:57,330 --> 00:08:59,069 Carey Socol: so I'm always like, " Yeah, I know it sounds like 163 00:08:59,070 --> 00:09:02,189 Carey Socol: a lot, but people have done way more than me." But 164 00:09:02,190 --> 00:09:04,590 Carey Socol: people do. They're like, " What?" They'll like, " Say that again. 165 00:09:04,740 --> 00:09:06,449 Carey Socol: What number did you just say?" And I'll be like, " 166 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,600 Carey Socol: Yeah, 74 marathons." So it's fun. It's a fun little 167 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,160 Carey Socol: party trick. I definitely think it is. 168 00:09:11,610 --> 00:09:14,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. As much as I love running and obviously love 169 00:09:14,370 --> 00:09:18,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathons, work in marathons, I never was able to hit 170 00:09:18,090 --> 00:09:20,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: that. It's almost like an escape velocity I feel like 171 00:09:20,850 --> 00:09:26,309 Rob Simmelkjaer: where you just start doing so many marathons that the 172 00:09:26,309 --> 00:09:29,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: thought of another one doesn't seem like that big of 173 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: a barrier. To me even having run two since last 174 00:09:33,630 --> 00:09:36,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: September, as I think about, " Okay, should I run a 175 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:39,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: fall marathon or not?" It feels like a big decision 176 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: because there's so much training that that involves. So it's 177 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:45,479 Rob Simmelkjaer: not about the day, it's about the weeks and the 178 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: months leading up to that. But I guess if I'd 179 00:09:47,490 --> 00:09:50,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: run 74, I probably would see it as like, " Oh, 180 00:09:50,490 --> 00:09:53,189 Rob Simmelkjaer: it's just I'm always in marathon shape, so it's just 181 00:09:53,190 --> 00:09:55,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: another day to run a marathon." Is that kind of 182 00:09:56,190 --> 00:09:57,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: accurate in terms of the way it is for you? 183 00:09:58,170 --> 00:10:00,660 Carey Socol: Totally. I'd rather run a marathon than a training run 184 00:10:00,660 --> 00:10:02,610 Carey Socol: any day of the week. It's just more fun. There's 185 00:10:02,610 --> 00:10:05,309 Carey Socol: more energy. There's water for you, all that stuff. I 186 00:10:05,309 --> 00:10:10,020 Carey Socol: think it became so my routine, and so I'm not 187 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:12,360 Carey Socol: necessarily always ramping up or ramping down. I'm kind of 188 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,610 Carey Socol: always staying in a steady state, so I'm never having 189 00:10:14,610 --> 00:10:17,850 Carey Socol: that fear of it. And I love it. Also, I 190 00:10:17,850 --> 00:10:19,980 Carey Socol: think I've said this to you before, I'm not racing. 191 00:10:20,309 --> 00:10:22,650 Carey Socol: I don't go in anymore, at least with this kind 192 00:10:22,650 --> 00:10:24,569 Carey Socol: of, I've got to finish in a certain time, I'm 193 00:10:24,570 --> 00:10:27,720 Carey Socol: going to really kill it on all of my training runs. 194 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:30,360 Carey Socol: I'm really just going to complete them. I still get 195 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,880 Carey Socol: that joy. I still feel that satisfaction. I still feel 196 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,660 Carey Socol: the pain, which is great. If it wasn't hard, it 197 00:10:36,660 --> 00:10:39,990 Carey Socol: wouldn't be so rewarding. But no, I don't. I mean 198 00:10:40,050 --> 00:10:42,030 Carey Socol: as I get older, it does become more of a, " 199 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,520 Carey Socol: Oh gosh, I better put in those training runs." I 200 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,620 Carey Socol: can't fake it. I definitely have to put it in 201 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:48,090 Carey Socol: and I'm like, " I have a marathon in a couple 202 00:10:48,090 --> 00:10:51,089 Carey Socol: of weeks and I kind of didn't do my longest 203 00:10:51,090 --> 00:10:53,099 Carey Socol: run this past weekend, so I'll have to do one 204 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,770 Carey Socol: this weekend before I go." But I still just enjoy 205 00:10:55,770 --> 00:10:58,110 Carey Socol: it. I still do so much processing in my head. 206 00:10:58,110 --> 00:11:00,390 Carey Socol: It's so much more than just the run for me. 207 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:01,710 Carey Socol: It's so many other things. 208 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:06,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, no, I think that makes sense. And taking that time pressure 209 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: away I think is everything because if you're going for 210 00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:11,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: PRs, like the amount of work you have to put 211 00:11:11,429 --> 00:11:14,309 Rob Simmelkjaer: in, speed work and all that stuff, it makes it 212 00:11:14,309 --> 00:11:18,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: hard to just keep doing that over and over again. 213 00:11:18,270 --> 00:11:20,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: I mean unless you're a professional and that's what you 214 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:23,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: do, there's only so much time we have. Carey, you 215 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:26,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: grew up in South Florida. We talked about this. And so 216 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:30,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: the first time you ever saw a marathon as a 217 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: child of the '80s like me was with your dad back 218 00:11:33,630 --> 00:11:36,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: at something that used to have called the Orange Bowl 219 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon. What was that experience like and what can you remember 220 00:11:40,890 --> 00:11:43,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: about the first time you saw a marathon? Did you 221 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:45,059 Rob Simmelkjaer: know that you just had to do one the first 222 00:11:45,059 --> 00:11:45,179 Rob Simmelkjaer: time you saw it? 223 00:11:45,179 --> 00:11:48,150 Carey Socol: What I remember, I remember seeing, so the Orange Bowl 224 00:11:48,150 --> 00:11:50,160 Carey Socol: Marathon doesn't exist anymore. I think they had too many 225 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,910 Carey Socol: very hot marathons and it fell away. But there is 226 00:11:53,970 --> 00:11:56,309 Carey Socol: the Miami Marathon now, which I have done. But I 227 00:11:56,309 --> 00:11:59,160 Carey Socol: just remember, I must've been like 11 or 12. I'm sure my 228 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,290 Carey Socol: dad has no memory of it, but we went, we 229 00:12:01,290 --> 00:12:03,689 Carey Socol: had a friend running it, and so I remember being 230 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:05,550 Carey Socol: out on the street and people were falling off. It 231 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Carey Socol: must've been a very hot year. And I just remember 232 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,730 Carey Socol: him being so impressed with people doing it and taking 233 00:12:11,730 --> 00:12:16,140 Carey Socol: it on. And I think, I'm a very proud daughter 234 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:18,030 Carey Socol: and I always wanted to make my dad proud. So it's just 235 00:12:18,179 --> 00:12:21,090 Carey Socol: this thing that stuck in my head and would play 236 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:24,390 Carey Socol: around there for years. And it wasn't until my 20s, 237 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:26,190 Carey Socol: I moved to New York and I started to see 238 00:12:26,190 --> 00:12:28,920 Carey Socol: it and I'm like, " Oh gosh," I just always had 239 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,470 Carey Socol: that memory of something that would impress my dad would 240 00:12:31,470 --> 00:12:33,720 Carey Socol: be running a marathon. Now I didn't think I'd keep 241 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,240 Carey Socol: running them, but I definitely thought I would run a marathon 242 00:12:36,420 --> 00:12:39,059 Carey Socol: and make him proud. And now he's begging me to 243 00:12:39,059 --> 00:12:43,230 Carey Socol: stop. I mean your knees, your hips, everything. But I 244 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:45,510 Carey Socol: think I did make him proud, but now he wishes 245 00:12:45,510 --> 00:12:45,660 Carey Socol: I would- 246 00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:47,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, he was impressed the first couple of times. Now- 247 00:12:47,550 --> 00:12:47,550 Carey Socol: Exactly- 248 00:12:47,550 --> 00:12:50,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: ... no longer as impressed. Makes sense. Sounds like a dad. 249 00:12:51,150 --> 00:12:51,360 Carey Socol: Yeah. 250 00:12:51,870 --> 00:12:54,449 Rob Simmelkjaer: And you started out with the Galloway method, which we've 251 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: talked about on the podcast before, a run- walk method. 252 00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:00,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: Why did that work for you? 253 00:13:00,929 --> 00:13:04,290 Carey Socol: Well, I was wanting to run a marathon in 1999, 254 00:13:04,290 --> 00:13:06,480 Carey Socol: and I started training kind of on my own. With 255 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,179 Carey Socol: Road Runners I think I did some classes, and it 256 00:13:09,179 --> 00:13:11,730 Carey Socol: was hard. I mean it was very hard. The park runs 257 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:13,530 Carey Socol: and all the different things, and I was getting a 258 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:16,290 Carey Socol: little bit of injury. I had an IT thing happen, 259 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,380 Carey Socol: and so I couldn't do 1999, that was actually supposed 260 00:13:19,380 --> 00:13:21,809 Carey Socol: to be Marine Corps, that was supposed to be DC. And 261 00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:23,940 Carey Socol: I had a friend who was running with Galloway and 262 00:13:23,940 --> 00:13:25,260 Carey Socol: she's like, " I think you'll like this. Why don't you 263 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:28,860 Carey Socol: try it?" And the Jeff Galloway, just the run- walk 264 00:13:28,860 --> 00:13:32,939 Carey Socol: was such a way, it's such a mental fix. I 265 00:13:32,940 --> 00:13:34,349 Carey Socol: mean, so you're like, " Oh, I can run for three 266 00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:36,780 Carey Socol: minutes. I can run for four minutes and then I 267 00:13:36,780 --> 00:13:40,050 Carey Socol: can walk." So just that mental ease, it kind of 268 00:13:40,050 --> 00:13:43,290 Carey Socol: just making it in bite- size pieces really worked for 269 00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:45,809 Carey Socol: my psychology. And I still do it. People are like, " Do you 270 00:13:45,809 --> 00:13:49,710 Carey Socol: run a 5K or a 10K with that?" Not a 5K, but a 10K 271 00:13:49,710 --> 00:13:52,170 Carey Socol: sometimes. I can do it. I can do a 10K without 272 00:13:52,170 --> 00:13:55,530 Carey Socol: doing it. But I just like it. It just makes 273 00:13:55,530 --> 00:13:58,890 Carey Socol: me happy. It calms my nerves and I'll do it 274 00:13:58,890 --> 00:14:01,020 Carey Socol: in different ways now. So if I feel like I'm 275 00:14:01,020 --> 00:14:03,329 Carey Socol: in really good shape, I do a longer run. If 276 00:14:03,330 --> 00:14:04,710 Carey Socol: I feel like I just need to get out there 277 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:07,679 Carey Socol: and it's hard, then I'll just do a two- in- 278 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,959 Carey Socol: one and just get out there and keep running. And 279 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,610 Carey Socol: you guys say this and I've been saying this forever, 280 00:14:11,610 --> 00:14:13,559 Carey Socol: that forward is a pace, and I believe that. I 281 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,230 Carey Socol: mean that's always been my motto, just keep moving forward. 282 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: Now your first New York City Marathon was in the 283 00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:23,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: year 2000. And was that supposed to be kind of 284 00:14:23,490 --> 00:14:26,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: a bucket list, check that box one and done? Was 285 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:28,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: that the one dad saw for the first time? 286 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,280 Carey Socol: Yes. Definitely dad was there, parents were there. I had gotten, I started a 287 00:14:32,340 --> 00:14:34,890 Carey Socol: new job. That's actually when I became a college counselor 288 00:14:34,890 --> 00:14:37,890 Carey Socol: at a very prestigious high school and I was working and 289 00:14:37,890 --> 00:14:40,050 Carey Socol: I was overwhelmed and I tried to throw it all in, 290 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:43,140 Carey Socol: start a new job, run a marathon, just put it 291 00:14:43,140 --> 00:14:45,240 Carey Socol: all in the mix. But yeah, that was my first 292 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,290 Carey Socol: one. And my memories are, it's 25 years. This year 293 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:51,540 Carey Socol: will be my 25th anniversary of a marathon. 294 00:14:51,540 --> 00:14:51,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 295 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,140 Carey Socol: And it was super special. I mean, there's nothing like 296 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:56,670 Carey Socol: New York. I have a lot of others that I 297 00:14:56,670 --> 00:14:59,880 Carey Socol: love, but New York is just that. There's nothing like 298 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,880 Carey Socol: it. And I keep going back. I have such FOMO. 299 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,890 Carey Socol: I can't be in the city if it's going on. I can't be 300 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:06,750 Carey Socol: in any city if I know there's a marathon going 301 00:15:06,750 --> 00:15:08,850 Carey Socol: on. Then I have to run it. But I really, 302 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:11,160 Carey Socol: I'm either here running the marathon at this point, Rob, 303 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,890 Carey Socol: or I leave. I've done some marathons on the same 304 00:15:13,890 --> 00:15:15,750 Carey Socol: weekend because I have to do a marathon that weekend. 305 00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:17,730 Carey Socol: It's just too much FOMO for me. 306 00:15:17,730 --> 00:15:20,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: I've heard people say that, if they're not running it, they can't 307 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:20,821 Rob Simmelkjaer: even be in town. 308 00:15:20,821 --> 00:15:21,241 Carey Socol: You can't. 309 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:25,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: You could go downtown. If you're down in The Village, 310 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: you could probably not realize the marathon's going on. 311 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:31,170 Carey Socol: New York is like Boston. I could go and cheer 312 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:33,210 Carey Socol: for people. Like that, I wouldn't feel so much FOMO, 313 00:15:33,210 --> 00:15:34,141 Carey Socol: but here I just can't, I can't do it. 314 00:15:34,141 --> 00:15:38,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: I get it. I totally get it. That's awesome. So what happened? 315 00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:40,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: So it was supposed to be one. I mean, listen, I've 316 00:15:40,830 --> 00:15:43,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: heard the story from a lot of different people, but 317 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:46,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: when did you realize it wasn't going to be just 318 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:48,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: one marathon? I'm sure you didn't realize at the time 319 00:15:48,180 --> 00:15:50,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: it was going to be 74, but when did you 320 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:51,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: realize there had to be another marathon? 321 00:15:51,930 --> 00:15:55,410 Carey Socol: So that was November of 2000, and I had started with 322 00:15:55,410 --> 00:15:57,690 Carey Socol: Galloway and I made friends and I made this community 323 00:15:57,690 --> 00:16:00,240 Carey Socol: and I realized we liked meeting on the weekends. It 324 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,979 Carey Socol: was a great way, I mean, I'm still, some of my 325 00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:05,040 Carey Socol: closest friends are from this Galloway program from the early 326 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,100 Carey Socol: 2000s. And so I had run and I wanted to 327 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:10,560 Carey Socol: keep up the training. I liked it. And so a 328 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,860 Carey Socol: girlfriend of mine said, " Let's go do Jersey." It's in 329 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:16,050 Carey Socol: May. It's six months later or it's April or something 330 00:16:16,050 --> 00:16:18,630 Carey Socol: like that. And I was like, " Okay, let's do that." 331 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:23,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: This was the Jersey Shore Marathon, which also no longer exists sadly. 332 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:27,960 Carey Socol: Right. And that remains to be my PR, which I'm 333 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,420 Carey Socol: again, I always qualify, I'm not fast, which I need 334 00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:32,310 Carey Socol: to stop doing because I feel like I'm always putting 335 00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:34,740 Carey Socol: it down. If people say, " Oh my God." And I 336 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:38,310 Carey Socol: always say, " But I'm so slow." And it frustrates me 337 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:40,770 Carey Socol: that I still qualify the fact that I've still done 338 00:16:40,770 --> 00:16:43,950 Carey Socol: all these marathons. But that was my PR. 339 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,369 Rob Simmelkjaer: What was your PR? I actually don't even know this. 340 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:47,761 Rob Simmelkjaer: What was your time? 341 00:16:47,761 --> 00:16:47,762 Carey Socol: It was 4:26. 342 00:16:47,762 --> 00:16:47,763 Rob Simmelkjaer: 4:26. 343 00:16:47,763 --> 00:16:49,230 Carey Socol: It's nothing impressive but ... 344 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:51,181 Rob Simmelkjaer: Solid. It's a solid time. Absolutely. 345 00:16:51,181 --> 00:16:53,970 Carey Socol: It's solid. And I did a bunch in that kind of range 346 00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:55,950 Carey Socol: for a long time. And now I'm really happy to 347 00:16:55,950 --> 00:16:58,290 Carey Socol: break five hours at this point and that makes me 348 00:16:58,290 --> 00:16:59,790 Carey Socol: happy, but doesn't always happen. 349 00:17:00,180 --> 00:17:03,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right, so there you are. Two races in, two 350 00:17:03,450 --> 00:17:08,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: states in. That's a good start. Where did the idea 351 00:17:08,250 --> 00:17:12,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: of running a marathon in each and every state come 352 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:14,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: into play? How did this happen? 353 00:17:14,850 --> 00:17:18,210 Carey Socol: Well, it came about slowly. I did New York and 354 00:17:18,210 --> 00:17:20,010 Carey Socol: then New Jersey, then New York again and New Jersey 355 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,000 Carey Socol: in two years. Just I was staying with my friends and running. And then I think 356 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,980 Carey Socol: someone said, " Let's go do ... We're doing New York next 357 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:29,100 Carey Socol: year. Let's do a training run in Rhode Island." So 358 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:30,629 Carey Socol: you get your long training run or you do a 359 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:33,359 Carey Socol: marathon, come back and do New York. I'm like, " Oh, okay." 360 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:36,600 Carey Socol: That was fun. And then I think the states kind 361 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,909 Carey Socol: of nearby. We went to ... Someone's, " Oh, let's go to 362 00:17:38,910 --> 00:17:41,850 Carey Socol: Baltimore," or, " Let's go to Nashville." It became fun friend 363 00:17:41,850 --> 00:17:46,200 Carey Socol: trips. I've traveled for the majority of my states with 364 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,149 Carey Socol: friends, with other running friends, and it just became a 365 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:51,359 Carey Socol: weekend away. Later on when I had kids, it became 366 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,440 Carey Socol: a real escape, which I was ... You know that break of parenting? 367 00:17:55,470 --> 00:17:57,929 Carey Socol: And it kind of started to add up and then 368 00:17:57,930 --> 00:18:00,750 Carey Socol: I'm like, when you're on these marathons or you're at 369 00:18:00,750 --> 00:18:03,270 Carey Socol: these places, you see everyone coming back or running the 370 00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:05,669 Carey Socol: 50 states, you get that bug in your ear. That's 371 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:08,730 Carey Socol: such a cool way to see the country. And I've 372 00:18:08,730 --> 00:18:12,659 Carey Socol: seen the country. And I really recommend it. It was 373 00:18:12,660 --> 00:18:15,389 Carey Socol: such a great ... And it's a community. You see different 374 00:18:15,390 --> 00:18:18,660 Carey Socol: people or the same people at different marathons and what are 375 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,449 Carey Socol: you doing next? Where are you going? So I love 376 00:18:21,449 --> 00:18:25,260 Carey Socol: that I've been to all 50 states and seen so much of the country. It's really fun. 377 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:28,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. I mean, the idea of marathons as 378 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:31,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: a form of tourism has taken off so much. I 379 00:18:31,530 --> 00:18:35,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: mean that's what's driving so much of the energy around 380 00:18:35,010 --> 00:18:39,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: the six star medal and people. The trip is half 381 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: the fun, I mean, if not more. Going and running 382 00:18:41,970 --> 00:18:44,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Tokyo Marathon. For me, people ask me how I like 383 00:18:44,430 --> 00:18:46,619 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Tokyo Marathon. I like the race. It was a good 384 00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:49,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: time. I enjoyed running the race. But going to Japan, 385 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:53,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: that's really what was most exciting about that. And so 386 00:18:53,670 --> 00:18:57,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: it's pretty cool to have experienced that. I know a lot of people who've done 387 00:18:57,300 --> 00:19:00,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: the halves in all states, but to do a marathon 388 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,369 Rob Simmelkjaer: in all 50 states, that's a lot of running. It's impressive. 389 00:19:05,670 --> 00:19:08,369 Carey Socol: Well, the Tokyo Marathon is a sore subject for me 'cause 390 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:11,160 Carey Socol: I keep trying to get in, my friend, but I 391 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,710 Carey Socol: am doing Sydney, so once that became another star, I'm like, " 392 00:19:13,710 --> 00:19:15,990 Carey Socol: Well, I'll do Sydney before Tokyo." 393 00:19:16,020 --> 00:19:18,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: You're going to still be missing that six star. You 394 00:19:18,270 --> 00:19:20,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: will have six races, but the way that works, you 395 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:22,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: won't get the medal yet. So we'll have to see 396 00:19:22,410 --> 00:19:24,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: if we can somehow get you into Tokyo. 397 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:24,631 Carey Socol: Please. I'm trying. I'm trying. 398 00:19:24,631 --> 00:19:33,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: Now you ran Boston, Carey, the year after the bombing? 399 00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:33,511 Carey Socol: No, both years. So the year of the bombing- 400 00:19:33,511 --> 00:19:36,359 Rob Simmelkjaer: The year of the bombing and the year. Okay. So what was your experience there? 401 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:38,879 Rob Simmelkjaer: Where were you when the bombing took place and then 402 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,379 Rob Simmelkjaer: what was it like to go back the next year? 403 00:19:40,679 --> 00:19:42,750 Carey Socol: So I ran it in 20 .... I think that was 404 00:19:42,750 --> 00:19:46,859 Carey Socol: what, 2012? 2012. I had my family with me. My aunt 405 00:19:46,859 --> 00:19:50,250 Carey Socol: and uncle live in Boston. My cousins were there. I 406 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:52,230 Carey Socol: was running for a charity. Again, as you can hear 407 00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:54,570 Carey Socol: by my PR, I did not qualify with my time, 408 00:19:54,570 --> 00:19:56,520 Carey Socol: but I raised a lot of money. I'm very proud 409 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,000 Carey Socol: of that. But I was about a mile from the 410 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,270 Carey Socol: finish and I remember starting to see people along or the 411 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,840 Carey Socol: policemen along the course, looking at their phones, looking at 412 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,300 Carey Socol: their stuff, and I'm like, " Something's going on." It's just like 413 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,730 Carey Socol: you could start to sense all the phones and all 414 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:13,230 Carey Socol: the stuff. And I'm like, " Well, they're going to stop 415 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:16,379 Carey Socol: us if something is wrong." Kept running and then all of a sudden it 416 00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:19,020 Carey Socol: backed up. Obviously there's a stop and it backed up 417 00:20:19,020 --> 00:20:21,510 Carey Socol: about a mile from the finish line and we waited 418 00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:25,290 Carey Socol: for 10, 15 minutes until the word got back. " It's over. 419 00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:28,050 Carey Socol: It's done." I remember walking back to my aunt and uncle being like, " 420 00:20:28,290 --> 00:20:30,210 Carey Socol: What happened?" Didn't know what happened. And then you see 421 00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:32,639 Carey Socol: people who have finished and you haven't finished, but you 422 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,940 Carey Socol: just run 25 miles. And it was just a really eerie, 423 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,320 Carey Socol: scary day. Luckily, I run with my phone and I 424 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,200 Carey Socol: always will now because of that experience, just for safety. 425 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,590 Carey Socol: And I had been able to just, there's no connection, 426 00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:48,270 Carey Socol: but I was able to text my family. I was 427 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:50,760 Carey Socol: okay. I would meet them back at my aunt and 428 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,159 Carey Socol: uncle. Luckily I had told them not to be close 429 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,840 Carey Socol: to the finish line 'cause I just knew it would 430 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,379 Carey Socol: be, in general, it would be very crowded. So it 431 00:20:58,380 --> 00:21:00,659 Carey Socol: was crazy. It was really crazy. And then I had 432 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:03,780 Carey Socol: tons of people say, " That counts now. You've done Massachusetts. 433 00:21:03,780 --> 00:21:05,459 Carey Socol: It counts." I'm like, " No, no, I didn't finish. I 434 00:21:05,460 --> 00:21:08,310 Carey Socol: didn't cross the finish line." So I was adamant about 435 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:10,530 Carey Socol: going back the next year for so many reasons. And 436 00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:13,290 Carey Socol: also being a proud marathon community member, I'm going to 437 00:21:13,290 --> 00:21:16,679 Carey Socol: go back and Boston strong and really proud to go 438 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,350 Carey Socol: back and do it and finish it. 439 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: I don't think I've spoken to anyone before who was 440 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:29,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: behind where it happened. And so that's a perspective that is 441 00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:32,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: interesting to hear and obviously a terrible day, but good 442 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,909 Rob Simmelkjaer: for you getting back out there and officially completing it 443 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:40,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: the very next year. It's a great story. It's Mother's 444 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:44,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: Day Carey. You're our Mother's Day special guest and you're a mom. 445 00:21:44,730 --> 00:21:48,119 Rob Simmelkjaer: And I'm always curious when I talk to marathon moms 446 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: how you do it. I mean, how have you been 447 00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:55,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: able to balance running and running this much in this 448 00:21:55,770 --> 00:21:59,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: many places with being a mom? Do your kids come 449 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: along? Are they into it as well? Is it like 450 00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:06,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: a family event when mom goes to run one of her 74 marathons? 451 00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:08,670 Carey Socol: No. In fact, they're so over it. They don't even. 452 00:22:08,670 --> 00:22:10,350 Carey Socol: Like I can barely get them to come to New 453 00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:13,440 Carey Socol: York these days. They're just ... I mean, they're so proud 454 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,810 Carey Socol: and they find ways to tell their friends in really funny 455 00:22:15,810 --> 00:22:19,470 Carey Socol: ways. I have a funny text. My daughter last year 456 00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:21,660 Carey Socol: I think, or two years ago after New York, she 457 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:24,119 Carey Socol: was out to dinner with someone and I had just finished 458 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,300 Carey Socol: the marathon and she texted me, some couple next to 459 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,240 Carey Socol: us are really excited that their friend ran two marathons. 460 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,939 Carey Socol: And I'm like, " Girl, my mom's around 68," or something 461 00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:37,080 Carey Socol: really funny. But they were not like, the stroller, I 462 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,970 Carey Socol: was not running with them in the stroller. It was 463 00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:41,310 Carey Socol: really my break. It was really my time that I 464 00:22:41,310 --> 00:22:44,310 Carey Socol: would negotiate to go for a run. It's how I've 465 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:47,850 Carey Socol: mothered. It's how I've done my job. It's how I've 466 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:52,050 Carey Socol: managed stress, anxiety. Anything is a run for me. And that's 467 00:22:52,590 --> 00:22:54,720 Carey Socol: why it's not about the speed. It's really about the ... 468 00:22:55,170 --> 00:22:57,330 Carey Socol: I do run with music now, but for many years 469 00:22:57,330 --> 00:23:00,209 Carey Socol: I didn't. I process a lot of stuff I'm going 470 00:23:00,210 --> 00:23:03,359 Carey Socol: to do at work in my head. Running just, it 471 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,500 Carey Socol: literally calms me. And I know I don't really take 472 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:09,540 Carey Socol: that, but they are super proud. But I think that 473 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:11,280 Carey Socol: they're a little like my dad, over it. 474 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:16,439 Rob Simmelkjaer: Parenting takes something to calm you a lot of the 475 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: time. I mean, I experience it. Your kids can get you pretty 476 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: worked up. Let's face it. Things go wrong, issues happen, 477 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: disputes, disagreements, whatever it is, especially when they're teenagers like 478 00:23:27,930 --> 00:23:31,859 Rob Simmelkjaer: I've got going on right now. That run to clear 479 00:23:31,859 --> 00:23:34,080 Rob Simmelkjaer: everything, I can tell you, it certainly makes me a 480 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,859 Rob Simmelkjaer: better parent. I'm able to deal with my girls much 481 00:23:37,859 --> 00:23:41,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: more calmly than I am otherwise. And after a couple 482 00:23:41,310 --> 00:23:44,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: of days of maybe not being able to run, I can 483 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,369 Rob Simmelkjaer: see myself slipping when it comes to my parenting skills. 484 00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:50,879 Carey Socol: Absolutely. They'll know. It is a time that if I 485 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,710 Carey Socol: go run, they leave me alone, for the most part. 486 00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:54,480 Carey Socol: If they call me during a run, I get so annoyed. 487 00:23:55,859 --> 00:23:55,859 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, me too. Me too. 488 00:23:55,859 --> 00:23:58,260 Carey Socol: And it messes up with my clock, everything. And I'm like, " 489 00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:01,230 Carey Socol: What? You know I'm for a run." But for the most part, they know 490 00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:03,600 Carey Socol: it's my time. They know when I come back I 491 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,439 Carey Socol: will deal with things better. They'll know if I'm anxious, go up 492 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,660 Carey Socol: for your run. And it just really, it really, they 493 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:11,280 Carey Socol: get it in that sense. 494 00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:15,659 Rob Simmelkjaer: Your Peloton handle, Marathon Mom. I think that fits it 495 00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:18,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: pretty well. What's your relationship with Peloton? Are you on 496 00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:20,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: the treadmill, on the bike? What are you doing when you're 497 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: doing Peloton classes? 498 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,550 Carey Socol: So I have been riding a Peloton since 2015. My late 499 00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:30,780 Carey Socol: boyfriend, Howie was an early adapter of it, not ... We 500 00:24:30,780 --> 00:24:32,310 Carey Socol: always say there's like a very first, there's an OG OG 501 00:24:33,150 --> 00:24:36,600 Carey Socol: and then there's the OG part B and we're the OG part B. And 502 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,359 Carey Socol: so we got bikes and we started riding and he 503 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,340 Carey Socol: had gotten me a bike as a gift and gave 504 00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,530 Carey Socol: me the handle Marathon Mom. And this is back when 505 00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:45,780 Carey Socol: I could have been Carey. I mean there was only 506 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:49,950 Carey Socol: 200 of us and he just went by his last 507 00:24:49,950 --> 00:24:52,260 Carey Socol: name. Our friends are their first name. It was very 508 00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:55,050 Carey Socol: early days. And so he had just got it and 509 00:24:55,050 --> 00:24:57,359 Carey Socol: set it up for me, Marathon Mom 'cause it's actually, 510 00:24:57,660 --> 00:24:59,580 Carey Socol: I guess, and I can't believe that's the name I gave 511 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:02,820 Carey Socol: myself when I met him on a dating app 12 512 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:04,980 Carey Socol: years ago. So he put it there. I thought it 513 00:25:04,980 --> 00:25:07,470 Carey Socol: was cute. And now, I mean I do have my 514 00:25:07,470 --> 00:25:10,680 Carey Socol: issues. There's a million marathon moms Rob with every number 515 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,290 Carey Socol: letter mixed, but I'm the original. I was the first 516 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,230 Carey Socol: one in 2015. So I was riding with the bike and 517 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:18,090 Carey Socol: I'm still riding on the bike. I did one this 518 00:25:18,090 --> 00:25:21,750 Carey Socol: morning. And the tread, I'm in a New York City apartment. I 519 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,629 Carey Socol: couldn't fit it. But I do run with the app 520 00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:29,550 Carey Socol: all the time, and I've been for 10 years now 521 00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:33,450 Carey Socol: an avid Peloton user and love it, use the app, 522 00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:33,571 Carey Socol: use everything. 523 00:25:33,571 --> 00:25:37,889 Rob Simmelkjaer: And I know Howie, he was a big part of 524 00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:41,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: this story. He introduced you to Peloton, also was there 525 00:25:41,970 --> 00:25:47,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: with you for so many of your marathons. And my understanding 526 00:25:47,550 --> 00:25:52,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: is you were pretty close to completing your 50th state 527 00:25:52,170 --> 00:25:58,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon when Howie passed away very suddenly and tragically. Can 528 00:25:58,410 --> 00:26:01,619 Rob Simmelkjaer: you talk about that time and that experience and what 529 00:26:01,619 --> 00:26:03,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: that meant to you? 530 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,270 Carey Socol: Absolutely. I mean it's out of a movie. I mean it was 531 00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:10,320 Carey Socol: so surreal. We were longtime partners. He had gotten me 532 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,540 Carey Socol: into the Peloton. He had supported me. He was so 533 00:26:12,540 --> 00:26:15,330 Carey Socol: excited about my marathons. I think of my 50 states, 534 00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:19,109 Carey Socol: I think 25. He came with me. He was just 535 00:26:19,109 --> 00:26:21,810 Carey Socol: really proud, just such a proud partner about what I 536 00:26:21,810 --> 00:26:25,230 Carey Socol: was doing. We talked about it all the time and we 537 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:27,600 Carey Socol: had set up a longtime goal or I had set 538 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,700 Carey Socol: up a longtime goal that Hawaii would be my last 539 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,430 Carey Socol: of the 50 states. It's the 50th state. My best 540 00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:35,310 Carey Socol: friends live there and we were going to go and I think my 541 00:26:35,790 --> 00:26:40,230 Carey Socol: parents were coming, not that many people and my friends who 542 00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:42,149 Carey Socol: live there and they're just a couple people. I wasn't 543 00:26:42,150 --> 00:26:47,280 Carey Socol: making the biggest deal out of it. And tragically, literally 544 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,980 Carey Socol: two weeks to the day of the marathon, he passed 545 00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:57,000 Carey Socol: away unexpectedly. And beyond being devastated and it was just 546 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,280 Carey Socol: a really awful time. The marathon was in two weeks. 547 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,220 Carey Socol: He was so excited by it. It was my goal 548 00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:07,770 Carey Socol: to finish all 50 before my 50th and I just 549 00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:09,630 Carey Socol: knew he'd want me to go and I knew he'd 550 00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:12,000 Carey Socol: want me to go finish that marathon. And I also 551 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,010 Carey Socol: just thought to myself, it would be so much worse 552 00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:16,650 Carey Socol: sitting at home, not running that marathon in my grief. 553 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,040 Carey Socol: That would be the last thing he wanted. And so 554 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,350 Carey Socol: it became a little bit bigger. His sons said, " We're 555 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:26,040 Carey Socol: coming with you." And his daughter- in- law and my 556 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,930 Carey Socol: daughter came, and one of my running husband I call 557 00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:33,900 Carey Socol: him, Gary came. And we just had a big group 558 00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:38,220 Carey Socol: and some other friends in Hawaii. And it was so 559 00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:42,930 Carey Socol: special and so incredible. And then his boys jumped in 560 00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:45,090 Carey Socol: and ran the last a hundred yards with me. And 561 00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:46,950 Carey Socol: if you ever can find that online, and I'm like 562 00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:49,950 Carey Socol: sobbing and Max is in his crocs 'cause he wasn't 563 00:27:49,950 --> 00:27:53,010 Carey Socol: planning on it. It was just one of the most 564 00:27:53,310 --> 00:27:56,820 Carey Socol: memorable, emotional, honestly right out of a movie script. You see 565 00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:59,609 Carey Socol: me crossing after my 50th state with his boys by 566 00:27:59,609 --> 00:28:04,619 Carey Socol: my side who just lost their dad. So it's wild. 567 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,669 Carey Socol: It was a wild time. 568 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, that sounds incredibly intense. And we have so many 569 00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:15,929 Rob Simmelkjaer: stories. I always say that there are 50,000 stories at 570 00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:18,389 Rob Simmelkjaer: the starting line of a marathon, and part of what 571 00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:21,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: we try to do at Road Runners is learn some 572 00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:23,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: of those stories and tell some of them so that 573 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: other people can be inspired by them. But yeah, that's 574 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:32,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: a story that I think more people should hear. It's 575 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:34,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: sad but incredibly inspiring as well. 576 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:38,340 Carey Socol: Absolutely. And he was such a proud partner with it 577 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:41,850 Carey Socol: and was so impressed. Yeah, I mean it was just 578 00:28:41,850 --> 00:28:44,700 Carey Socol: one of those things that it was so tragic and yet during 579 00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,340 Carey Socol: that race, he was very much with me. When I 580 00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:49,860 Carey Socol: do races all the time, I really think about that, 581 00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:53,010 Carey Socol: and yeah, it's just a way to still feel connected 582 00:28:53,010 --> 00:28:53,370 Carey Socol: to him. 583 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:53,521 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. 584 00:28:53,521 --> 00:28:54,960 Carey Socol: And we're doing Peloton. 585 00:28:55,410 --> 00:28:58,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. We've had so many people on the podcast talking 586 00:28:58,350 --> 00:29:01,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: about running and dealing with grief and how it's helped 587 00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:05,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: them as well. So it's incredible the connection that we 588 00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:10,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: can have between those things. You are obviously someone who 589 00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:13,709 Rob Simmelkjaer: thrives in the back of the pack. Any advice for 590 00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:15,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: us, Carey, in terms of how as a race organizer 591 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:18,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: at New York Road Runners, we can make that experience 592 00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:21,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: a good experience for people who are running more toward 593 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: the back of the pack. We focus on it a 594 00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:26,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: lot. We try to make sure that there's water there 595 00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:30,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: and Gatorade and fuel, and obviously we keep our finish 596 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: line open later than anybody when it comes to the 597 00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:37,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: majors. What do you think is special about that back 598 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: of the pack experience and how we as a race organizer 599 00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:44,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: can make sure it is a great experience for people? 600 00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:48,510 Carey Socol: It's such a good question 'cause I know I struggle with starting in the 601 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:51,060 Carey Socol: back because I feel like it's going to take the 602 00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:53,400 Carey Socol: day longer and New York is going to get dark 603 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,970 Carey Socol: and you do lose a lot of the excitement when 604 00:29:56,970 --> 00:29:59,010 Carey Socol: you're up closer into the front. So I don't know 605 00:29:59,010 --> 00:30:02,580 Carey Socol: how other than starting New York earlier, which I still 606 00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:05,760 Carey Socol: think you can do because of the time difference. But it's 607 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,130 Carey Socol: just I think, I think you do a good job 608 00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:10,410 Carey Socol: and I think back at the packers, there's so much 609 00:30:10,410 --> 00:30:12,840 Carey Socol: camaraderie because we are who we are back there and 610 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,540 Carey Socol: there are other Galloway people running and we know how 611 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:18,480 Carey Socol: to put our hand up to signal that we're going 612 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,130 Carey Socol: to stop. So we're really, we're very, I think courteous. 613 00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:26,220 Carey Socol: I do think it's a struggle. We want to have 614 00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:28,080 Carey Socol: the water, we want to have the cheers, we want 615 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,450 Carey Socol: to have the support, but it's a long day for people 616 00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:32,820 Carey Socol: at certain races and so there's only so much I 617 00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:33,660 Carey Socol: think you can do. 618 00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:35,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: We did tweak it a little bit last year to 619 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:39,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: try to get to a somewhat earlier final finisher. And 620 00:30:39,930 --> 00:30:41,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: that did have a pretty good effect. I think our 621 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:45,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: final finisher was at around 9: 45 last year, which 622 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: was early because we'd had people coming in at 10, 11 623 00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:50,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: o'clock at night. So that was a step in the 624 00:30:50,910 --> 00:30:53,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: right direction. We have to be careful obviously how much 625 00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:55,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: of that we do because we don't want too many 626 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: fast runners behind, too many slower runners for the obvious 627 00:30:59,460 --> 00:31:02,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: logistical challenges that can create. But yeah, we have tweaked 628 00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:02,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: that a little bit. 629 00:31:03,270 --> 00:31:06,300 Carey Socol: Well, you won't like my answer, but I didn't mind 630 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:08,370 Carey Socol: that the year after Covid when it was less runners, 631 00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:11,670 Carey Socol: that was actually really nice. I can't help but think 632 00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:11,970 Carey Socol: that was nice. 633 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: A lot of people wouldn't like that answer. All those 634 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: folks were hoping to get in. That was the year 635 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:21,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: where we only had about 50% capacity, but yeah, that 636 00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:24,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: would definitely make it a more open running experience for 637 00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:28,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: everybody. No question about it. I'm curious, your job, we've 638 00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:30,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: talked about what you do. You're a college counselor. You 639 00:31:30,750 --> 00:31:33,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: help kids get into the college of their choice and 640 00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:37,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: you've been doing that for a while. And I'm curious 641 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:41,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: how you see running as part of that for kids. 642 00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:44,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: A lot of kids, maybe they run track or cross- 643 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: country, I'm sure they're putting that on their resume to 644 00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:49,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: get into college. Do you have more kids that are 645 00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:53,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: actually making running kind of part of what they do 646 00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:57,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: and how they present themselves in terms of getting into 647 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:57,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: a college? 648 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,790 Carey Socol: My school isn't such a big sports feeder for many 649 00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:05,670 Carey Socol: sports. We definitely have a great track team, great track 650 00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:08,370 Carey Socol: coach. She's a marathoner also. We love to talk about 651 00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:12,090 Carey Socol: that. I do see running and I think you and I have talked about 652 00:32:12,090 --> 00:32:15,390 Carey Socol: it as such a good inspiration for just mental health 653 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,360 Carey Socol: and for staying focused on school. And if you can 654 00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:22,830 Carey Socol: succeed in even one- mile runs, two- mile runs, it's 655 00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:25,710 Carey Socol: going to really help your academics. It keeps you focused. 656 00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:29,910 Carey Socol: I mean I think it just permeates your whole energy 657 00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:32,880 Carey Socol: and your whole focus in general. And I think you 658 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,410 Carey Socol: asked also about my kids. I think I lead by 659 00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:36,870 Carey Socol: example. They see how much running I'm doing, so whether 660 00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:39,540 Carey Socol: they don't like running, but they see that I have 661 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:41,700 Carey Socol: goals and that I accomplish them and I'm not just 662 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,880 Carey Socol: all talk. So I think also explaining that to my 663 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,450 Carey Socol: students, whatever their goals are and too, that everything is 664 00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:51,420 Carey Socol: doable. And so I think, you and I have talked about 665 00:32:51,630 --> 00:32:54,420 Carey Socol: working with those students that really that would help to 666 00:32:54,420 --> 00:32:57,060 Carey Socol: feel mentored by someone A) who knows how to help them 667 00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:59,730 Carey Socol: get into college. And with the college process, I'm all 668 00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:01,890 Carey Socol: about fit, right? I'm not about a name brand for 669 00:33:01,890 --> 00:33:03,780 Carey Socol: the sake of it. I'm really about where will your 670 00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:07,560 Carey Socol: kids be successful and kill it, go somewhere and kill 671 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,410 Carey Socol: it. And whether that's if they get hobbies in running 672 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:13,290 Carey Socol: or athletics, and obviously I think sports and just good 673 00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:16,590 Carey Socol: health and activities it's just key to how you feel 674 00:33:16,590 --> 00:33:17,730 Carey Socol: about yourself every day. 675 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: There are more and more young people who are making 676 00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:27,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: the marathon like a rite of passage. 20 years ago, 677 00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:32,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: most marathoners were in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond. It was 678 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: an older person kind of a crowd. But now we're 679 00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:39,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: seeing this huge surge of college kids who are applying 680 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: to the marathon and it's like the thing they do 681 00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:45,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: after their senior year or even during their senior year 682 00:33:45,570 --> 00:33:48,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: to kickstart their adult life, which I think is so 683 00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:51,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: interesting. And it's great for the sport, it's making it 684 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:55,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: younger, it's creating a whole new kind of set of 685 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: consumers, if you will, for what we do. But what 686 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: are your thoughts on that? I mean, you work with young 687 00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:05,489 Rob Simmelkjaer: people. What do you think is driving this sudden popularity 688 00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:09,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: of running and running marathons among a pretty young cohort 689 00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:11,489 Rob Simmelkjaer: of kids like 21, 22 years old? 690 00:34:11,910 --> 00:34:13,859 Carey Socol: I love it. I have a friend, one of my 691 00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:16,560 Carey Socol: former students, she went to Wash U and then she 692 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,690 Carey Socol: ran the St. Louis Marathon and she just I think 693 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:20,640 Carey Socol: got in for New York this year and she's really 694 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,820 Carey Socol: excited. I think students at this age, in their early 695 00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:26,460 Carey Socol: 20s, I think they want to have some goal that 696 00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:28,770 Carey Socol: they start, like you said, kicks them off with their 697 00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:31,410 Carey Socol: career. Here's a bucket list thing. If I can do 698 00:34:31,410 --> 00:34:33,810 Carey Socol: this. I mean, what's coincidental is I kind of did 699 00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:36,029 Carey Socol: it as I was starting my career, and I think 700 00:34:36,390 --> 00:34:38,160 Carey Socol: it's like a balance. If you're nervous and you have 701 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,020 Carey Socol: anxiety about what your career going to be, but you 702 00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:42,840 Carey Socol: can kind of balance it with this other goal and 703 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,480 Carey Socol: something to distract a little bit. And I think as 704 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,819 Carey Socol: students or kids are coming back, young adults are coming 705 00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:50,850 Carey Socol: back to the city or it's just something you can 706 00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:53,969 Carey Socol: control. It's scary, it's big, but you can control it 707 00:34:53,969 --> 00:34:55,799 Carey Socol: and then it helps with all the other things. It 708 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,370 Carey Socol: just puts things in order for interviewing, for presenting yourself, 709 00:34:59,370 --> 00:35:01,650 Carey Socol: for having a job. And I think also a big 710 00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:03,570 Carey Socol: thing, which is what stuck me with it is community. 711 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,330 Carey Socol: People are joining these clubs and you have friends. I 712 00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:10,650 Carey Socol: mean, again, my closest friends are 25 years old from 713 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:13,290 Carey Socol: running with them and talking because you talk about everything. 714 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,700 Carey Socol: They know everything about me. 715 00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:17,759 Rob Simmelkjaer: I just think, wow, what an awesome thing to have 716 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: on your resume even as you're going out for that 717 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: first job. Coming out of college that you've run a 718 00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:25,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon. I mean, employers are going to look at that 719 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: and be like, " Wow, this is a young person with 720 00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:32,339 Rob Simmelkjaer: some discipline, the ability to persevere, get through hard things." 721 00:35:32,730 --> 00:35:38,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: I've always believed that runners overindex for being successful because 722 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:42,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: of the lessons you learn out there training for these 723 00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:44,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: big races. So I just think it's brilliant. 724 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,290 Carey Socol: Absolutely. You're showing, like you said, determination, discipline, all those 725 00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:51,840 Carey Socol: things that an employer wants. We see that when students 726 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,500 Carey Socol: are working. If they work during high school, that's another 727 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,920 Carey Socol: thing that colleges can see, oh, they're responsible, they're diligent. 728 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:01,799 Carey Socol: Even if they don't have to per se work, they're 729 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,380 Carey Socol: giving back. Maybe they're saving for something. There's so many 730 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:08,040 Carey Socol: things about working and running and being on a schedule 731 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,640 Carey Socol: or determination and finishing what you start that is so 732 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,840 Carey Socol: great for life. 733 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:15,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. So I want to do a little speed 734 00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:19,259 Rob Simmelkjaer: round with you, Carey, because for people who are hearing 735 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: this run a marathon in 50 states, I'm sure there are a 736 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: few out there who are thinking, " Oh wow, that'd be 737 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: a cool thing to do." I'm actually, frankly thinking about 738 00:36:27,210 --> 00:36:30,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: it myself. I'm thinking more halves. I don't think I 739 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: could do 50 marathons, but I could definitely do 50 halves. I'd have 740 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:36,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: to go back and look how many states I've got 741 00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:39,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: already. Probably not that many. Maybe three or four. But 742 00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:44,009 Rob Simmelkjaer: okay, let's do a quiz on certain things and answers 743 00:36:44,010 --> 00:36:46,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: on the various marathons you've run. Okay, here we go. 744 00:36:46,739 --> 00:36:49,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: What was the most beautiful marathon? 745 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,450 Carey Socol: Probably Big Sur, California. I also loved Juneau, Alaska. That 746 00:36:54,450 --> 00:36:55,169 Carey Socol: was beautiful too. 747 00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:59,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh my god, Big Sur is spectacular. Alaska, that's on my 748 00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:05,009 Rob Simmelkjaer: bucket list. Those both sound incredible. The most surprising marathon? 749 00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:08,549 Carey Socol: People often ask me kind of what was your favorite 750 00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:11,310 Carey Socol: or surprising kind of in that way. And I oftentimes 751 00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:16,110 Carey Socol: say Missoula, Montana. It was this beautiful little small city 752 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:19,140 Carey Socol: or town, great scenery, and it was like the marathon 753 00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:21,120 Carey Socol: I remember where it felt like I went for a 754 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,330 Carey Socol: 10K. I just remember being like, " God, I just finished?" 755 00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:27,360 Carey Socol: I felt so good. The crowds were, I mean, as 756 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,130 Carey Socol: much as I love New York, I love a small 757 00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:31,200 Carey Socol: marathon. I love to just get in my zone and 758 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,029 Carey Socol: peaceful and it was just beautiful. I loved it. 759 00:37:33,989 --> 00:37:34,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: What was the hardest? 760 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,400 Carey Socol: The hardest was probably a combination of REVEL Rockies, which 761 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,550 Carey Socol: is basically outside of Denver 'cause it's like downhill. And 762 00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:47,370 Carey Socol: anyone who thinks they want a downhill course, you don't. 763 00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,820 Carey Socol: Your quads are killing it. It was really much tougher 764 00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:54,210 Carey Socol: than I thought. And then Morgantown, West Virginia. It was 765 00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:58,469 Carey Socol: so hot. It's a really hilly course. It was brutal. 766 00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,340 Carey Socol: It was really hard. 767 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: West Virginia is definitely hilly. I could see that being 768 00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:06,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: difficult. What was the best medal of all the races? 769 00:38:06,570 --> 00:38:09,239 Carey Socol: Well, I guess you can say it's the best, but 770 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,210 Carey Socol: it's certainly the biggest, is Little Rock, Arkansas. If you 771 00:38:12,210 --> 00:38:16,320 Carey Socol: haven't seen it, google it. It is ginormous. It weighs, I 772 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,660 Carey Socol: don't know, 10 pounds. It's ridiculously fun. It's hilarious. But 773 00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:24,360 Carey Socol: it's humongous and I'll call it the best because it's 774 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,589 Carey Socol: certainly the most unique. 775 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: I guess Little Rock. I've never heard of the Little Rock 776 00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:32,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: Arkansas Marathon, so you may as well have a big 777 00:38:32,190 --> 00:38:34,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: medal. People will learn about it that way. It's good marketing. 778 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,790 Carey Socol: It's a great marathon too. It's great. 779 00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:41,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: Absolutely. What was the best post- race meal that you 780 00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:42,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: had in any of these marathons? 781 00:38:42,989 --> 00:38:46,410 Carey Socol: So I do this weird thing after a marathon. This 782 00:38:46,410 --> 00:38:48,840 Carey Socol: is going to sound so weird. Once I kind of 783 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,460 Carey Socol: get back to my hotel room or wherever I am, 784 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:54,180 Carey Socol: I like a latte. I just like a hot coffee. 785 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:57,300 Carey Socol: I sit there, just zone out. And then my dinner, 786 00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,570 Carey Socol: typically, I love a burger and fries. Just the best 787 00:39:00,570 --> 00:39:03,660 Carey Socol: burger and fries you can find me. I want a burger. 788 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: I can't blame you there. That is a great one. 789 00:39:07,350 --> 00:39:10,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: I tend to go, well, I've done pizza a lot. 790 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,719 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love pizza after a marathon. But let me tell 791 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: you, Tokyo, Carey, I went to it. If you get into it one 792 00:39:16,830 --> 00:39:18,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: of these years, I'll tell you a place to go 793 00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:21,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: not far from the finish line where it's a standing 794 00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:24,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: sushi bar in Tokyo. And the standing part's great 'cause 795 00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:27,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm worried about sitting usually at that point after a 796 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:30,359 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon, I'm worried I'm going to cramp up. And so 797 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: I stood at this bar and it was like a 798 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:35,401 Rob Simmelkjaer: revolving door of sushi and beer. 799 00:39:35,401 --> 00:39:36,210 Carey Socol: Oh, I love that. 800 00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:41,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: And everything. I mean, oh my god, that's a post- race 801 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:42,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: meal I will never forget. It was incredible. 802 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:43,259 Carey Socol: I will do that. 803 00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:46,859 Rob Simmelkjaer: What was the most underrated marathon? 804 00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:50,310 Carey Socol: I'm a big fan. I've done it twice now is 805 00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:53,399 Carey Socol: Detroit. I think Detroit is a great marathon. You run 806 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,920 Carey Socol: over the bridge into Canada, you come back around through 807 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,759 Carey Socol: an underground tunnel for a mile, which is wild. It's 808 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,969 Carey Socol: dark. It's just a weird experience. Again, it's like that 809 00:40:02,969 --> 00:40:05,880 Carey Socol: size crowd I really like. It's mid- size. The city 810 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,450 Carey Socol: comes out, Detroit's really hopping these days. And I just 811 00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:12,000 Carey Socol: think it's a great. It's easy. You can start right there. Finish 812 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,060 Carey Socol: right there. I love an easy marathon with logistics, so 813 00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:16,350 Carey Socol: I highly recommend Detroit. 814 00:40:17,009 --> 00:40:19,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. And last one, and I have an answer I'm 815 00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:23,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: expecting here, Carey, which one had the best fans? 816 00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:30,149 Carey Socol: You got me. I mean there's no question. I mean, I think in my memory, 817 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,230 Carey Socol: Chicago is right behind it to me, but New York 818 00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:36,509 Carey Socol: was. It is. It's why I keep coming back. It's 819 00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:40,859 Carey Socol: why I can't miss it. It's the best and it's 820 00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:42,300 Carey Socol: New York. 821 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: We had to. We had to leave that one for last, obviously, to 822 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,981 Rob Simmelkjaer: get the answer that we had to have 100%. 823 00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:48,480 Carey Socol: Absolutely. Absolutely. 824 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: So you got number 75 coming up. What does that 825 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,779 Rob Simmelkjaer: mean to you? And once you're at 75 of something, 826 00:40:54,989 --> 00:40:59,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: I mean there's kind of an obvious question. You're three 827 00:40:59,969 --> 00:41:03,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: quarters of the way. Is 100 on the map? 828 00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:06,510 Carey Socol: It is. I mean, I can't help it. I did all 50 829 00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:08,280 Carey Socol: states before I was 50, but I'd done more than 830 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,690 Carey Socol: 50 marathons. So I was at 60- something when I did the 50th state 831 00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:15,540 Carey Socol: and DC. And then I'm like, " I like this part 832 00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:17,400 Carey Socol: of my life. I like that this is it. I can't 833 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,830 Carey Socol: imagine being done and stopping. It's just part of my 834 00:41:19,830 --> 00:41:22,800 Carey Socol: identity. It's part of what makes me tick. I don't 835 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,100 Carey Socol: see why I would stop." So it's just setting another goal 836 00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:30,540 Carey Socol: and deciding, okay, let's go to 100 before 60. And that 837 00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:32,280 Carey Socol: means I have to do three and a half a 838 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,180 Carey Socol: year. So three some years, four some years. So in a 839 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:40,440 Carey Socol: couple of weeks I'm doing Bayshore in Traverse City, Michigan. 840 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,480 Carey Socol: I will be up there vacationing. And well, the funny 841 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,980 Carey Socol: story is I didn't even know there was a marathon 842 00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:46,110 Carey Socol: there that weekend and I was going. And someone said, " 843 00:41:46,110 --> 00:41:49,620 Carey Socol: Oh, there's the marathon that weekend." I'm like, " There is? Oh, okay." So I 844 00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:53,370 Carey Socol: started training two months ago and doing that. And then I have Sydney coming up 845 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,830 Carey Socol: and New York. So I have my three this year 846 00:41:55,830 --> 00:41:57,540 Carey Socol: and maybe we'll sneak in a fourth. 847 00:41:58,260 --> 00:41:59,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: Traverse City is gorgeous. 848 00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:59,911 Carey Socol: That's what I hear. 849 00:41:59,911 --> 00:42:02,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm sure that's going to be a beautiful, beautiful marathon. 850 00:42:02,969 --> 00:42:03,330 Carey Socol: Yeah. 851 00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:08,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. It's amazing. And so for Mother's Day, do you go for 852 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:11,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: a run on Mother's Day? Do you go out and run a long way 853 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:12,029 Rob Simmelkjaer: or do you take a day off? 854 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,460 Carey Socol: Well, I missed my long run this past weekend, so 855 00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:16,890 Carey Socol: I have to do something. I'll probably do it Saturday 856 00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:19,590 Carey Socol: 'cause I actually scheduled a Mother's Day day with my 857 00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:21,989 Carey Socol: two kids and my son's birthdays on the next day, 858 00:42:21,989 --> 00:42:23,250 Carey Socol: so we're going to go see some theaters. So I'll 859 00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:25,590 Carey Socol: do my long run Saturday and take Sunday off. 860 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: And what do you say to moms out there who, 861 00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:31,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: and there's so many who they run, but they're always 862 00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:34,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: trying to figure out how to run more and how to balance 863 00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:37,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: all these things. What's your advice on how to balance 864 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:42,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: motherhood with running and running at the kind of scale 865 00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:43,080 Rob Simmelkjaer: that you have run at? 866 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,160 Carey Socol: It's tricky. I have always found ways. I run home 867 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,910 Carey Socol: from work, so I build it into my commute. That's 868 00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:52,560 Carey Socol: a really great way to do it. When I would 869 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,960 Carey Socol: do these marathons when my kids were younger, I'd go 870 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,130 Carey Socol: to a college counseling conference every year and I would 871 00:42:59,130 --> 00:43:01,680 Carey Socol: build it around that. So I remember one year going 872 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,950 Carey Socol: to a conference in Toronto and then going to from 873 00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:07,440 Carey Socol: there, I built in a day and went to Omaha. 874 00:43:07,530 --> 00:43:09,690 Carey Socol: So I would find ways to kind of build it 875 00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:12,150 Carey Socol: into. The weekends I already had coverage for the kids. 876 00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:15,600 Carey Socol: And then you get people to help and the kids 877 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,550 Carey Socol: get a little older and you know you can go 878 00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:19,710 Carey Socol: for a run and you build it in. And the 879 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:21,690 Carey Socol: weekends, if you start early on the weekends, I don't 880 00:43:21,690 --> 00:43:24,630 Carey Socol: think you need to run seven days a week. Although 881 00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:27,060 Carey Socol: in the summer I tend to do that. But I think 882 00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:29,700 Carey Socol: if you just get a base of four to five 883 00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:31,500 Carey Socol: to six during the week, twice a week, and then 884 00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:33,719 Carey Socol: you build in a long run on the weekends, it's 885 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,870 Carey Socol: enough base. Especially like me, I'm not racing. I'm running 886 00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:40,380 Carey Socol: for my head and my heart and my soul. So 887 00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:41,880 Carey Socol: if you're not racing, you don't have that kind of 888 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,760 Carey Socol: angst about it. It's really for joy. I love it. 889 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:45,930 Carey Socol: I look forward to it. 890 00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:49,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: Well, I am impressed. It's quite a feat that you 891 00:43:49,350 --> 00:43:52,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: have accomplished and you're still doing it. And you're doing 892 00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:55,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: it while you're working and you're momming and you're doing 893 00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:58,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: it all. So keep going. That's all I can say. 894 00:43:58,290 --> 00:44:00,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's incredible. We love having you as a Road Runners 895 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,239 Rob Simmelkjaer: member, love having you as part of the community and 896 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: can't wait to see when and where number 100 happens 897 00:44:07,590 --> 00:44:10,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: for you. But in the meantime, Happy Mother's Day, enjoy 898 00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:12,029 Rob Simmelkjaer: it and thanks for coming on with us today. Really 899 00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:12,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: great having you. 900 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:14,160 Carey Socol: Thank you. My pleasure. 901 00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:18,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. 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Today's member moment is with Dalma Garcia, a longtime 910 00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:06,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: member who's been running marathons since 2014. Her first race 911 00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:09,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: was especially meaningful. Her mom was in the stands at 912 00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:13,080 Rob Simmelkjaer: the finish line, a memory that's become even more powerful 913 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: in the years since her mother's Alzheimer's diagnosis. These days, 914 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: Dalma balances marathon training with being a mother to her 915 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: two daughters and also caring for her ailing mom. Dalma 916 00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:28,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: will be running the upcoming RBC Brooklyn Half accompanied by 917 00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:31,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: her youngest who will be running in the Boardwalk Kids 918 00:45:31,050 --> 00:45:34,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: Run at the RBC Brooklyn Half. Here's Meb with Dalma. 919 00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:37,560 Meb Keflezighi: Thanks Rob. Dalma, welcome to the Set the Pace podcast. 920 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,340 Meb Keflezighi: How are you doing today? 921 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:41,219 Dalma Garcia: Very good, thank you. Thank you for the invitation. 922 00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:45,300 Meb Keflezighi: No problem. Great to have you. So your mom was 923 00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:48,989 Meb Keflezighi: there when you completed the first NYC marathon in 2014, 924 00:45:48,989 --> 00:45:51,509 Meb Keflezighi: which I was also in. So it was great to race with you- 925 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:52,620 Dalma Garcia: And I remember seeing you. 926 00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:57,150 Meb Keflezighi: Great to race, share the New York roads with you. Can you 927 00:45:57,870 --> 00:46:00,690 Meb Keflezighi: describe that day and what it meant for you to 928 00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:02,640 Meb Keflezighi: share that significant moment with your mom? 929 00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:07,109 Dalma Garcia: It was amazing. I had to ask my family not 930 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,170 Dalma Garcia: to let my mom or not let me see my 931 00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:14,910 Dalma Garcia: mom at mile 22 because I felt like I was 932 00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:16,860 Dalma Garcia: going to break down at that point if I saw 933 00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:19,650 Dalma Garcia: her. So she was at the bleachers and that's how 934 00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:22,530 Dalma Garcia: come I actually saw you in an event with Team 935 00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:27,270 Dalma Garcia: For Kids that year. So my mom was at the 936 00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:31,950 Dalma Garcia: bleachers, and at the very end I kept hearing, well, everybody 937 00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:35,939 Dalma Garcia: was shouting and I heard my brothers shout my name 938 00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:38,100 Dalma Garcia: finally. But I was about to cross the finish line and 939 00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,739 Dalma Garcia: I looked to my left and I see my mom. And 940 00:46:40,739 --> 00:46:44,670 Dalma Garcia: my mom, I just see her mouth moving. So I 941 00:46:44,670 --> 00:46:48,060 Dalma Garcia: just see her features and she's just telling me like, " 942 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:51,300 Dalma Garcia: Go. Finish. You got this," something like that. I kept 943 00:46:51,780 --> 00:46:55,260 Dalma Garcia: seeing her. But it was an amazing moment and it 944 00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:57,870 Dalma Garcia: meant a lot for me at that moment, but it 945 00:46:57,870 --> 00:47:00,930 Dalma Garcia: means a lot more for me now because she has 946 00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:05,489 Dalma Garcia: Alzheimer's dementia and so now she's unable to even recognize 947 00:47:05,489 --> 00:47:09,270 Dalma Garcia: me. So having her there, that was, it's been, it's 948 00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:10,169 Dalma Garcia: a big deal for me. 949 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,770 Meb Keflezighi: The finish line is always epic, but having your other 950 00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:17,400 Meb Keflezighi: significant or family, friends there is pretty big deal. And 951 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,550 Meb Keflezighi: to have her there was, I'm pretty sure experience of 952 00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:21,150 Meb Keflezighi: a lifetime. 953 00:47:21,150 --> 00:47:21,450 Dalma Garcia: Absolutely. 954 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,250 Meb Keflezighi: How has your experience of running changed since you began caregiving for 955 00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:30,719 Meb Keflezighi: your mother? Has there been a particular run that felt 956 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,360 Meb Keflezighi: especially meaningful or challenging during this time? 957 00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:38,939 Dalma Garcia: Well, it has been challenging since I had my little 958 00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:45,750 Dalma Garcia: one in 2017 and then my mom got Covid in 2020. 959 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,050 Dalma Garcia: And after that is when it got really challenging because 960 00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:53,790 Dalma Garcia: my mom's dementia progressed very quickly. And so at that 961 00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:57,540 Dalma Garcia: point, every marathon, I continued to do marathons. I never 962 00:47:57,540 --> 00:48:01,110 Dalma Garcia: skipped one. But it was like my pace went from, 963 00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:04,200 Dalma Garcia: my PR in New York was 4: 13 and I went 964 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,360 Dalma Garcia: to six hours. My training was not the same. Nevertheless, 965 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,830 Dalma Garcia: I was still running. 966 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,279 Meb Keflezighi: Amazing. Just incredible. I'm dealing personally the same thing. My 967 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,280 Meb Keflezighi: dad has some dementia right now and he still recognizes 968 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,450 Meb Keflezighi: us. His long- term memory is incredible, but short- term 969 00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:26,040 Meb Keflezighi: memory is not there and it's decelerating quickly. But our 970 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,710 Meb Keflezighi: loved ones, our heroes, it's hard to see them in 971 00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:32,609 Meb Keflezighi: that predicament. My dad walked over 225 miles to save 972 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:35,430 Meb Keflezighi: his life, navigate, and then now he doesn't know where 973 00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:38,339 Meb Keflezighi: the restroom is or where ... He's forgetful. So it's kind 974 00:48:38,340 --> 00:48:40,980 Meb Keflezighi: of tough. I can empathize with what's going on. But 975 00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:43,170 Meb Keflezighi: running kind of relieves us as a therapy. 976 00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:45,330 Dalma Garcia: 100%. 977 00:48:45,330 --> 00:48:50,070 Meb Keflezighi: You mentioned that your daughter loves traveling with you for 978 00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:52,620 Meb Keflezighi: destination races. Can you take us to one of the 979 00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:55,710 Meb Keflezighi: memorable trips together? What was it and why does it 980 00:48:55,710 --> 00:48:57,299 Meb Keflezighi: stand out for both of you? 981 00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:58,920 Dalma Garcia: Chicago. 982 00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:01,951 Meb Keflezighi: Chicago. Tell me, how was it, when was it? 983 00:49:01,950 --> 00:49:06,180 Dalma Garcia: Because I always thought that nothing, no race was going to 984 00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:10,860 Dalma Garcia: top New York City. Chicago was very close to it. 985 00:49:11,340 --> 00:49:14,160 Dalma Garcia: And then my daughter, she went along with me. She 986 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,549 Dalma Garcia: was turning 16 that year. Her birthday is in October 987 00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:21,450 Dalma Garcia: as well as the race. And so we did a 988 00:49:21,450 --> 00:49:23,640 Dalma Garcia: lot that year. We went on a cruise, we did 989 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,960 Dalma Garcia: a bunch of things around that month, but one of 990 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,850 Dalma Garcia: them was the Chicago Marathon. And she absolutely enjoyed the 991 00:49:32,850 --> 00:49:38,489 Dalma Garcia: energy. She enjoyed the entire trip, and most importantly, the 992 00:49:38,489 --> 00:49:43,620 Dalma Garcia: after party where we went to engrave our medals. And 993 00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:45,960 Dalma Garcia: then she met a bunch of runners and she was like, " 994 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,739 Dalma Garcia: Everybody here is crazy" 'cause we were all dancing after 995 00:49:49,739 --> 00:49:52,560 Dalma Garcia: a race and everybody looked like they were just fresh. 996 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,100 Dalma Garcia: But she absolutely enjoyed it. It was very special. 997 00:49:57,390 --> 00:49:59,430 Meb Keflezighi: Experience of a lifetime and what a wonderful it is 998 00:49:59,430 --> 00:50:01,739 Meb Keflezighi: to be able to celebrate with your fellow runners. You 999 00:50:01,739 --> 00:50:03,900 Meb Keflezighi: also, I guess have your 7- year- old daughter will 1000 00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:10,410 Meb Keflezighi: be running her first race, Boardwalk Kids Run at the RBC Brooklyn Half. 1001 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,750 Meb Keflezighi: What advice have you given her? 1002 00:50:13,350 --> 00:50:16,260 Dalma Garcia: Well, I always thought she's a brave one, but my 1003 00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:20,190 Dalma Garcia: advice to her, because she's very competitive, I always tell her, " 1004 00:50:20,190 --> 00:50:25,379 Dalma Garcia: It's your pace, your race, your pace, just run. What 1005 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:32,550 Dalma Garcia: we've been training is you run not too fast. Pace 1006 00:50:32,550 --> 00:50:35,640 Dalma Garcia: yourself." That's what I always tell her, " Just pace yourself. You 1007 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,110 Dalma Garcia: don't want to get tired or overwhelmed. Just nicely just 1008 00:50:40,110 --> 00:50:42,509 Dalma Garcia: reach the finish line. Everybody that reaches there is a 1009 00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:46,890 Dalma Garcia: winner, so you are a winner already." So, yeah, that's 1010 00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:49,380 Dalma Garcia: all I tell her. And most of the times I just 1011 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:52,050 Dalma Garcia: encourage her to continue running. She's a really good supporter. 1012 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,590 Dalma Garcia: She sees ... I'm driving and she sees runner. She's like, " 1013 00:50:55,590 --> 00:51:00,510 Dalma Garcia: Go runner. Go runner." So she already loves this. She's 1014 00:51:00,510 --> 00:51:03,509 Dalma Garcia: seen me all my life, all her life as a 1015 00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:04,230 Dalma Garcia: runner, so. 1016 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:07,410 Meb Keflezighi: Well, balancing on a race is very important to be 1017 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:10,410 Meb Keflezighi: able to push her and pace yourself and finish strong. 1018 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,719 Meb Keflezighi: Talk about balancing. Balancing running with your caregiving and motherhood 1019 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,770 Meb Keflezighi: must be incredibly demanding. Can you share a specific moment 1020 00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:22,860 Meb Keflezighi: when running has given you that exact why you needed 1021 00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:23,430 Meb Keflezighi: it most? 1022 00:51:24,270 --> 00:51:26,340 Dalma Garcia: It gives it to me every time. I have to 1023 00:51:26,340 --> 00:51:32,790 Dalma Garcia: say, every time I am overwhelmed with different, whether it's 1024 00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:36,930 Dalma Garcia: as working in my job and the demands of taking 1025 00:51:36,930 --> 00:51:40,320 Dalma Garcia: care of my mom and my kids and time. I 1026 00:51:42,180 --> 00:51:44,280 Dalma Garcia: always think like, " Oh, I'm too tired. I'm not going 1027 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,650 Dalma Garcia: to do it." And then that's when I actually do 1028 00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:50,340 Dalma Garcia: need it. Like I can go and take care of 1029 00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:51,780 Dalma Garcia: my mom and take care of my daughter and go 1030 00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:54,360 Dalma Garcia: now cook and clean. But that's only if you give 1031 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,060 Dalma Garcia: me at least 30 minutes to run beforehand. So if 1032 00:51:57,060 --> 00:51:59,550 Dalma Garcia: I run, I have the energy, I can do it all. 1033 00:52:00,930 --> 00:52:03,779 Meb Keflezighi: You are doing it all. It's incredible to do your work, 1034 00:52:03,780 --> 00:52:05,969 Meb Keflezighi: taking care of your mom and be a mother. And like you said, cooking and 1035 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:09,989 Meb Keflezighi: cleaning and doing extra miles. Yeah, those miles are paying 1036 00:52:09,989 --> 00:52:13,380 Meb Keflezighi: a big dividend in your energy. So Happy Mother's Day. We're 1037 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:15,660 Meb Keflezighi: so grateful that you're here to join us and keep up the 1038 00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:16,140 Meb Keflezighi: great work. 1039 00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:18,390 Dalma Garcia: Thank you. I appreciate you. 1040 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: Thank you so much for joining us, Dalma and for 1041 00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:22,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: being a member of New York Road Runners, and we 1042 00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:26,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: wish you all the best luck in the RBC Brooklyn 1043 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: Half. Now to the final part of our show. Today's 1044 00:52:28,530 --> 00:52:29,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: Med Minutes. 1045 00:52:29,850 --> 00:52:35,190 Meb Keflezighi: Train on surfaces similar to the racecourse, including hills, trails 1046 00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:40,590 Meb Keflezighi: and uneven ground. Strength legs, ankles, and core with exercises 1047 00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:45,870 Meb Keflezighi: like lunges, squats, and balance drills. Drills are important. Single 1048 00:52:45,870 --> 00:52:49,350 Meb Keflezighi: leg hops or both legs are important in addition to 1049 00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:53,069 Meb Keflezighi: quick feet, high knees, butt kicks to strengthen the muscles, 1050 00:52:53,219 --> 00:52:57,690 Meb Keflezighi: ligaments and tendons are very, very important. Adjust pacing. Mixed 1051 00:52:57,690 --> 00:53:04,800 Meb Keflezighi: terrain requires strategy, efforts, distribution, and adaptability. One and foremost 1052 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,050 Meb Keflezighi: is to wear appropriate footwear so that it can be grip 1053 00:53:10,050 --> 00:53:13,350 Meb Keflezighi: and stability based on the terrain. I've seen someone run 1054 00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:16,830 Meb Keflezighi: really with very light shoes, like almost what you wear 1055 00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:19,140 Meb Keflezighi: on the grass or on the house on a rocky 1056 00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:21,090 Meb Keflezighi: trails, and I have to stop them and give them 1057 00:53:21,090 --> 00:53:24,120 Meb Keflezighi: my advice because where you run is important, but what you 1058 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,620 Meb Keflezighi: wear is very, very important as well. 1059 00:53:26,340 --> 00:53:28,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: And that does it for another episode of Set The 1060 00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:30,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: Pace. We want to thank our guest today, the great 1061 00:53:31,020 --> 00:53:35,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: Carey Socol and our member Dalma Garcia. If you liked 1062 00:53:35,370 --> 00:53:39,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: the episode, make sure you rate it, subscribe, leave a 1063 00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:42,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: comment so others can find us as well. Hope to 1064 00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:44,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: see you all out there in Brooklyn. Have a great week. 1065 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,589 Rob Simmelkjaer: Enjoy the miles. We'll see you next week.