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Sof Camacho: Running  should  be  accessible,  right?  Running  should  be  for  everyone. 

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Sof Camacho: So,  if  you  work  at  night,  running  is  for  you. 

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Sof Camacho: If  you  run  a  little  bit  slower,  running is  for  you. 

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Sof Camacho: If  you  walk  most  of  your  runs,  running  is  yours. 

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Sof Camacho: I  don't  like  seeing,  especially  more  recently,  just  the gatekeeping of  running 

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Sof Camacho: because  I  feel  like  it's  the  last  sport  that  should 

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Sof Camacho: be  gatekeeped.

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Becs Gentry: Welcome  to  Set  the  Pace,  the  official  podcast  of  New 

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Becs Gentry: York  Roadrunners  presented  by  Peloton.  Today,  I'm  your  host,  Peloton 

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Becs Gentry: Instructor  Becs  Gentry,  taking  the  helm  as  my  co- host, 

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Becs Gentry: Rob  Simmelkjaer,  CEO  of  New  York  Road  Runners,  is  out 

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Becs Gentry: of  town.
 All  right.  Well,  this  past  weekend  was  a 

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Becs Gentry: great  one.  There  was  a  lot  going  on.  Honestly,  I 

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Becs Gentry: think  we  all  thought  that  because  the  US  Open  was 

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Becs Gentry: over  and  tennis  was  done,  that  all  sport  was  done. 

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Becs Gentry: But  then,  we  all  remembered  that  the  world  championships  got 

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Becs Gentry: underway  in  Tokyo  this  weekend  and  we  saw  two  very 

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Becs Gentry: exciting  marathons  unfold  on  the  streets  of  Tokyo.  So,  first, 

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Becs Gentry: let's  just  talk  about  that  women's  race.  It  was  led, 

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Becs Gentry: most  of  the  way,  by  past  Set  the  Pace  guest 

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Becs Gentry: Susanna  Sullivan,  who  ran  an  unbelievably  gutsy  race.  She  took 

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Becs Gentry: charge  early  on,  leading  for  18  or  so  miles,  okay? 

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Becs Gentry: Eventually,  she  was  caught  and  she  hung  on  for  very 

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Becs Gentry: impressive  4th  place  overall  in  a  hugely  awesome  time  of  2:28:

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Becs Gentry: 17.  The  conditions  were  hot  and  humid,  but  they  all 

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Becs Gentry: pushed  on  unbelievably  well.
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Becs Gentry: to  the  2021 TCS  New  York  City  Marathon  champ,  Peres  Jepchirchir 

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Becs Gentry: of  Kenya,  with a time of 2:24: 43.  Yeah,  yes,  there  was  so  much. 

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Becs Gentry: I  highly  recommend  you  watch  the  last  at  least  two 

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Becs Gentry: kilometers  of  that  race  back,  especially  when  the  women  came 

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Becs Gentry: back  into  the  stadium,  which  was  the  Olympic  Stadium  from 

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Becs Gentry: the  Tokyo  games.  Watch  that  part  back  because  there  is 

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Becs Gentry: just  so  much  joy.  Anyway,  next  day,  we  move  on and it was 

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Becs Gentry: the  men's  turn,  and  there  was  a  massive  pack,  sticking 

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Becs Gentry: together,  leading  the  field  for  most  of  the  way,  taking 

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Becs Gentry: their  turns  at  the  start,  and  it  came  down  to 

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Becs Gentry: an  absolutely  thrilling  photo  finish  at  the  line  on  the 

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Becs Gentry: track  between  Tanzania's  Alphonce Simbu,  who  managed  to  take  the  slight 

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Becs Gentry: lead  over  Germany's  Amanal  Petros.  They  both  actually  finished  with 

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Becs Gentry: the  time  of 2:09: 48,  but  it  was  a  millionth  of 

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Becs Gentry: a  second  difference,  which  meant  Alphonce  took  gold.
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Becs Gentry: some  incredible  Set  the  Pace  representation  in  the  men's  field 

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Becs Gentry: with  Clayton  Young.  Actually,  he  took  a  fall  at  mile 

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Becs Gentry: 9  and  he  managed  to  hang  on  to  the  lead 

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Becs Gentry: pack  all  the  way  through  the  40K  and  he  did 

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Becs Gentry: finish  as  the  top  American  with  a  time  of  2 

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Becs Gentry: hours,  10  minutes, and  43  seconds.  Ninth  place  overall,  so  huge 

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Becs Gentry: congratulations  to  every  runner  who  went  over  to  Tokyo  for 

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Becs Gentry: the  world  champs,  whether  it  was  marathon  and  beyond,  all 

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Becs Gentry: the  athletes.
 Here  at  NYC,  it  was  a  party  in 

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Becs Gentry: the  Bronx  at  the  annual  New  Balance  Bronx  10  Mile 

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Becs Gentry: race.  The  4th  of  five  stops  in  the  New  York 

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Becs Gentry: Road  Runners  Five- Borough  Series.  This  weekend's  finishes...  The  top 

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Becs Gentry: spots  in  the  men's  race  were  Ryan  Kutch with 49  minutes and  20 

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Becs Gentry: seconds  from  Central  Park  Track  Club.  The  women's  race  was 

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Becs Gentry: led  by  Felicia  Pasadyn  with  53  minutes,  26  seconds  from 

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Becs Gentry: 212  Athletic- Saucony. In  the  non- binary  category,  we  have  Jacob 

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Becs Gentry: Caswell  with  59  minutes and  10  seconds  from  Front  Runners  New 

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Becs Gentry: York.  So,  again,  all of  the  athletes  who  toed  the  line 

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Becs Gentry: this  weekend  for  the  New  Balance  Bronx  10  Mile,  congratulations! 

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Becs Gentry: What  a  summer  it  has  been.  One  more  stop  on 

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Becs Gentry: the  journey  of  the  New  York  Road  Runners  Five- Borough 

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Becs Gentry: Series  to  go.
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Becs Gentry: is  our  guest,  my  friend  Sof  Camacho,  makes  their  third 

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Becs Gentry: appearance  on  Set  the  Pace,  but,  this  time,  not  as 

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Becs Gentry: a  featured  member,  not  as  the  RBC  Brooklyn  Half  non-

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Becs Gentry: binary  winner,  although  those  are  both  great  reasons  to  be 

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Becs Gentry: on  the  show,  but  now  here  they  are  as  an 

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Becs Gentry: emerging  elite  runner  in  their  own  right.  Sof  will  be 

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Becs Gentry: with  us  in  just  a  moment.  Also,  on  today's  show, 

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Becs Gentry: today's  Member  Moment  features  an  interview  with  the  great  Meb Keflezighi 

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Becs Gentry: and  New  York  Road  Runners  member  who  took  on  the 

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Becs Gentry: Speed  Project  this  year,  Jen  Curtis.  I  cannot  wait  for 

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Becs Gentry: you  to  hear  that,  having  done  the  Speed  Project  multiple 

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Becs Gentry: times  myself.  I  love  listening  to  people  and  their  individual 

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Becs Gentry: experiences.
 And  then,  as  for  today's  Meb  Minute,  we  take 

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Becs Gentry: a  break  from  Meb's  mile  by  mile  countdown  to  the 

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Becs Gentry: 2025 TCS  New  York  City  Marathon  to  focus  instead  on  how 

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Becs Gentry: to  maintain  your  mental  health  during  your  intense  marathon  training 

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Becs Gentry: season.  So,  stay  tuned.

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Becs Gentry: Over  the  past  year,  Sof  Camacho  has  quickly  become  a 

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Becs Gentry: name  to  know  in  distance  running.  They  won  the  non-

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Becs Gentry: binary  division  of  the  2024  New  York  City  Marathon  in 

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Becs Gentry: an  astounding  2:31: 29.  Then,  just  weeks  later,  ran  an 

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Becs Gentry: even  more  astounding  2:29: 15  in  Valencia,  one  of  the 

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Becs Gentry: fastest  marathon  times  ever  by  a  non- binary  athlete.  This 

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Becs Gentry: summer,  Sof  picked  up  wins  at  Nike's  After  Dark  half 

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Becs Gentry: marathon  in  Los  Angeles,  the  Bandit  Grand  Prix  in  Brooklyn, 

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Becs Gentry: showing  an  incredible  range  from  the  marathon  down to the  3K.  Alongside 

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Becs Gentry: these  breakthroughs  on  the  roads,  Sof  has  a  whole  second 

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Becs Gentry: life  on  stage  as  a  drag  performer,  Xana Whoria.  Taken  together, 

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Becs Gentry: their  running  and  art  have  put  Sof  squarely  on  the 

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Becs Gentry: map  not  just  as  an  emerging  athlete,  but  also  as 

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Becs Gentry: a  singular  voice  in  the  sport.
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Sof Camacho: Hello.

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Becs Gentry: I  am  never  not  in  awe  of  you,  your  achievements, 

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Becs Gentry: the  grace  with  which  you  carry  yourself  through  life  in 

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Becs Gentry: general.  We've  been  able  to  spend  quite  a  bit  of 

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Becs Gentry: time  together  and  we've  run  a  lot  of  races  together. 

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Becs Gentry: I've  been  chasing  your  dust,  but  it  is  just  so 

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Becs Gentry: amazing  to  see,  as  I  just  said,  this  range  of 

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Becs Gentry: excellence  that  you  can  bring  to  running.  I  can't  wait 

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Becs Gentry: to  dive  into  this  conversation  to  let  our  listeners  learn 

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Becs Gentry: a  bit  more  about  you  because  there's  snippets  I've  got 

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Becs Gentry: to  know  I  adore  about  you  and,  every  time  I 

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Becs Gentry: see  you, I am  just  always  gushing  of  how  incredible  you  are. 

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Becs Gentry: The  whole  time  I've  been  co- host  on  this  podcast, 

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Becs Gentry: your  name  has  been  there,  the  winning  names  of  our 

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Becs Gentry: races,  week  in,  week  out.  So,  I'm  sure  our  listeners 

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Becs Gentry: kind  of  do  know  you.

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Sof Camacho: Thank  you,  what  an  intro.

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Becs Gentry: Well,  it's  all  stuff  you've  done.  Everyone,  big  athletes  like 

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Becs Gentry: you,  always  say  that,  but  I'm  like, " This is all you.  You  realize 

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Becs Gentry: that?"  It's  just  wild  once  somebody  else  breaks  it  down. 

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Becs Gentry: Okay,  let's  take  it  back.  I  want  everybody  to  follow 

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Becs Gentry: you  and  to  watch  you  in  everything  that  you  do 

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Becs Gentry: because  living  authentically  is  just  how  you  roll.  You've  said 

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Becs Gentry: that,  many  a  time,  that  it  makes  everything  lighter,  even 

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Becs Gentry: your  legs.  So,  can  you  explain  that  to  us?

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Sof Camacho: Yes.  So,  I  actually  started  running  obviously  on  a  women's 

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Sof Camacho: team.  It  was  high  school.  I  always  thought, " High  school, 

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Sof Camacho: maybe  I  just  don't  fit  in,  whatever.  College  will  be 

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Sof Camacho: different."  I  also  was  told  never  to  choose  my  school 

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Sof Camacho: based  on  running  because  I  was  likely  not  going  to 

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Sof Camacho: make  it  on  a  D3  team.  I  did  walk  onto 

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Sof Camacho: my  college  team.  I  was  nowhere  near  fast  enough  to 

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Sof Camacho: be  recruited  to  anything.  So  then,  being  on  a  women's 

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Sof Camacho: college  team,  I  was  like, " Okay.  This  also  feels  a 

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Sof Camacho: little...  Something  isn't  clicking,  and  it  has  to  be  me. 

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Sof Camacho: Something's  wrong  with  me."
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Sof Camacho: and  actually  found  nightlife  that  I  realized  how  common  it 

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Sof Camacho: is  to  be  trans  and  how  many  people  felt  the 

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Sof Camacho: same,  and  it  was  kind  of  something  that  clicked  instantly. 

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Sof Camacho: After  I  leaned  into  that  side  of  me  a  little 

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Sof Camacho: more  and  surrounded  myself  with  people  that  had  similar  experiences 

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Sof Camacho: in  their  life  growing  up,  it's  when  it  became  more 

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Sof Camacho: natural  to  just  live  however  I  do. And  then,  it  kind 

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Sof Camacho: of  permeated  itself  into  running.  Night  and  day,  I'm  the 

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Sof Camacho: same  person.  So,  it  just  kind  of  happened.  Yeah.

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Becs Gentry: Oh,  that  is  just...  It's  amazing  to  hear  because,  in 

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Becs Gentry: the  honesty  of it all,  it  doesn't  happen  that  simply,  not  that 

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Becs Gentry: it  was  simple  for  you.  But  in  a  fluid  way, 

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Becs Gentry: a  lot  of  people  struggle,  so  I'm  sure  you're  a 

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Becs Gentry: beacon  of  light  and  hope  to  many,  many  people  out 

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Becs Gentry: there.  So,  let's  talk  about  how  you  balance  your  performance 

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Becs Gentry: goals  with  the  physical  and  emotional  realities  of  training  as 

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Becs Gentry: a  non- binary  athlete.

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Sof Camacho: Yeah,  luckily...  I  do  run  every  day  and  I  work 

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Sof Camacho: at  night  a  lot.  If  I'm  not  doing  drag,  if 

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Sof Camacho: I'm  not  on  stage,  I  am  tattooing  a  lot.  I 

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Sof Camacho: do  a  lot  of  parties  where  I  come  and  I 

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Sof Camacho: tattoo  my  flash,  which  is  also  physically  demanding  because  I 

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Sof Camacho: find  that, the  night,  my  shoulders  are  sore,  my  back  is 

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Sof Camacho: sore  and  I'm  like, " Oh,  my  God,  wow."  I  didn't 

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Sof Camacho: think  that  sitting  so  long  would  also  be  so  physically 

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Sof Camacho: demanding.  So,  it  is  about  balancing  the  two,  but  also, 

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Sof Camacho: in  the  back  of  my  mind,  I  know  that  nothing 

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Sof Camacho: is  perfect,  which  is  also  something  I  struggled  with  is 

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Sof Camacho: perfectionism  and  being  extremely  Type  A  and  thinking  that  everything 

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Sof Camacho: had  to  be  just  right.  I  learned  kind  of  to 

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Sof Camacho: move  away  from  the  all- or- nothing  mentality  that  I 

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Sof Camacho: so  strongly  grasped  growing  up,  especially  in  the  household  that 

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Sof Camacho: I  was  raised.  I'm  Mexican.  Everything  had  to  be  perfect. 

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Sof Camacho: Everything  had  to  be  right.  It  really  wasn't  about  the 

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Sof Camacho: effort  you  put  in.  It  didn't  really  matter.  It  was 

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Sof Camacho: more  of  if  it  was  good  enough  or  done  well. 

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Sof Camacho: I  keep  that  in  the  back  of  my  mind.
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Sof Camacho: in,  everything  I  approach,  I  try  my  best  in  and 

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Sof Camacho: I  aim  to  do  well.  But,  at  the  same  time, 

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Sof Camacho: it's  not  the  end  of  the  world  if  I  don't, 

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Sof Camacho: I  guess,  do  everything  perfectly.  I  enter  marathon  training,  I'm  like, "

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Sof Camacho: Okay,"  in  the  back  of  my  mind,  I  know  that 

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Sof Camacho: I  work  with  a  crazy  schedule,  so  it's  not  about 

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Sof Camacho: if  this  run  is  going  to  happen  more.  It's  like, "

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Sof Camacho: Okay.  When  am  I  going  to  do  it?"  and  I'm 

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Sof Camacho: open  to  going  to  Mile  High  where  I  work  and 

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Sof Camacho: we  have  access  to  treadmills  whenever  we  want.  So,  that 

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Sof Camacho: might  be a 10: 00  PM, 11: 00  PM  run  if  I  slept 

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Sof Camacho: in  or  it  might  be  another  crazy  run  at  2:

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Sof Camacho: 00  AM  if  I'm  doing  it  after  a  night  shift 

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Sof Camacho: if  I  didn't  fit  it  in  the  day.  So,  it's 

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Sof Camacho: more  about  just, " Okay.  When  am  I  going  to  do 

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Sof Camacho: this?"  because  I'm  going  to  do  it  anyway,  if  that  makes sense.

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Becs Gentry: It  does,  yeah.  It's  a  strong  mentality.  I  think  the 

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Becs Gentry: vast  majority  of  the  population  would  be  ready  to  go 

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Becs Gentry: straight  home  after  they've  worked  a  night  shift  and  figure it 

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Becs Gentry: out  the  next  day.  That  kind  of  mindset.  It's  just 

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Becs Gentry: so  cool  to  hear  somebody  say, " Yeah,  you've  just  got 

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Becs Gentry: to  shift  it  in  that  respect  of  you've  worked  the 

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Becs Gentry: night  and..."  You're  probably  quite  energized  when  you  finish  a 

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Becs Gentry: shift,  especially  being  on  stage.  You are  kind  of  pumped  up, 

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Becs Gentry: so  why  not  use  that  adrenaline  and  that  excitement  to 

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Becs Gentry: go  and  get  some  miles?  That's  actually a  really  great  way 

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Becs Gentry: of  putting  it.
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Becs Gentry: My  God.  I've  been  to  Mile  High  a  few  times, 

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Becs Gentry: I  love  it,  but  I  can't  even  imagine  going  in 

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Becs Gentry: at  2: 00  in  the  morning  when  it's  just  you 

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Becs Gentry: and  the  mirrored  walls.  Oh,  my  gosh.
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Becs Gentry: about  your  perfectionism.  You're  transitioning,  but  you've  decided  to  delay 

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Becs Gentry: testosterone  to  keep  racing  in  the  women's  categories  per  se. 

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Becs Gentry: How  do  you  feel  that  that  has  affected  and  shaped 

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Becs Gentry: your  athletic  identity  right  now?

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Sof Camacho: I  try  to  view  it  as  a  luxury  because,  a 

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Sof Camacho: lot  of  times,  something  that  I  notice  with  professional  running 

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Sof Camacho: specifically  and  pro  sports  in  general  is,  when  you're  a 

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Sof Camacho: pro  athlete  and  when  you  have  a  career  in  sports, 

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Sof Camacho: it's  hard  to  know  when  to  quit.  It  feels  like 

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Sof Camacho: you  are  deciding, " I  cannot  get  better  than  what  I've 

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Sof Camacho: done,"  and  that,  to  me,  it  feels  not  real  because, 

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Sof Camacho: to me,  I'm  just  like, " I  just  want  to  get  better 

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Sof Camacho: and  better  and  better,"  and  that's  just  the  athlete  mentality. 

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Sof Camacho: Especially  with  pro  running,  specifically  with  women,  is  a  lot 

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Sof Camacho: of  these  women  actually  peak  when  they're  30  or  in 

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Sof Camacho: their  30s  or  later  than  that,  especially  in  marathoning.  So, 

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Sof Camacho: it's  hard  as  someone  assigned  female  at  birth  to  decide 

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Sof Camacho: when  you  are  done.  That's  just  unfathomable.  And  then,  what's 

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Sof Camacho: next?  Especially  with  Olympians,  a  lot  of  Olympians  that  I've 

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Sof Camacho: spoken  to  personally  struggle  with  the  what's  next  part  because 

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Sof Camacho: your  entire  life  you  kind  of  have  this  goal  and 

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Sof Camacho: then  you  did  it,  and  then  what's  next?
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Sof Camacho: it's  kind  of  a  luxury  because  I  call  it  white 

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Sof Camacho: knuckling  where  I  get  to  push,  push,  push  and  focus 

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Sof Camacho: on  this  one  thing  for  a  shorter  period  of  time, 

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Sof Camacho: and  then  I  decide, " Okay,  I've  done  it.  I've  done 

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Sof Camacho: my  thing,  and  there's  this  other  side  of  my  life 

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Sof Camacho: that I am  really  excited  about."  In  the  back  of  my  mind, 

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Sof Camacho: I'm  always  like, " Oh,  my  God,  I  wish  I  could 

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Sof Camacho: do  this  now,"  or, " I  wish  I  had  these  changes 

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Sof Camacho: in  my  20s  and  I  wish  I  could  live,  I 

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Sof Camacho: guess,  my,  quote,  unquote,  'boyhood'  in  my  20s  and go through  the 

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Sof Camacho: uncomfortable  puberty  parts,  not  in  my  30s."  That's  something  that 

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Sof Camacho: often  just  gets  me  down  a  little,  thinking  about  that.


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Sof Camacho: But  at  the  same  time,  I  try  to  see  it 

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Sof Camacho: the  other  way  where  I'm  like, " Well,  I  have  the 

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Sof Camacho: luxury  of  having  this  thing  that  comes  after  my  pro 

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Sof Camacho: career  that  I'm  striving  for  right  now."  There's  this  after 

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Sof Camacho: that  I'm  so  excited  for,  and  so  I  don't  have 

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Sof Camacho: to  be  in  limbo  of, " Am  I  done?  Am  I 

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Sof Camacho: not  done?"  Or,  if  I  am,  I  at  least  I'm  like, "

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Sof Camacho: Okay,  I  feel  fine.  I  went  for  this.  Now,  I 

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Sof Camacho: have  this  whole  other  thing,"  which  is  also  why  I 

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Sof Camacho: like  to  push  non- binary  categories  for  races  because  I 

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Sof Camacho: would  like  to  still  run  non- binary  and  I  would 

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Sof Camacho: still  like  to  race  for  fun  and  run  not  pro 

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Sof Camacho: later  on.

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Becs Gentry: Of  course,  that  is a  luxury.  That  really  is.  I  think 

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Becs Gentry: just  as  somebody  assigned  as  female  at  birth,  as  you 

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Becs Gentry: said,  it's  very  difficult  for  women  to  draw  the  line 

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Becs Gentry: in  any  career  because  it  is  that, " Am  I  done 

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Becs Gentry: yet?"  whether  it's  a  professional  running  career  or  performance,  whether 

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Becs Gentry: it's  a  career where  you  can't  go  back  after  having  children 

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Becs Gentry: very  easily.  It's  just  always  that  level  of, " Am  I 

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Becs Gentry: done  yet?"  To  have  something  so  incredibly  exciting  waiting  for 

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Becs Gentry: you  after  is  a  huge  luxury  and  not  one  many 

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Becs Gentry: people  afford.  Your  advocacy  is  huge.  I  really  do  admire 

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Becs Gentry: the  fact  that  you  focus  on  being  good  at  running. 

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Becs Gentry: I  think  we  have  to  see  the  air  quotes  here 

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Becs Gentry: because  your  humility  of  just, " I'm  good  at  running,"  is 

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Becs Gentry: hilarious  because  you  are  phenomenal  at  running.  But  that's  kind 

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Becs Gentry: of  your  one  arm  of  beauty  and  strength  and  you 

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Becs Gentry: are  using  your  visibility  as  a  drag  performer  as  a 

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Becs Gentry: tool  to  help  educate  and  help  raise  awareness.  So,  what 

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Becs Gentry: is  that  strategy  as  they  kind  of  come  together  and 

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Becs Gentry: then  one  peaks  maybe,  one  goes  down?  What's  that  strategy 

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Becs Gentry: looking  like?

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Sof Camacho: I  honestly  think  it's  because...  Again,  going  back  to  me 

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Sof Camacho: being  an  extreme  perfectionist  and  being  Type  A  my  whole 

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Sof Camacho: life,  I  guess  if  you  google  little  pictures  of  little 

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Sof Camacho: Mexican  kids,  it's  the  hair  gel  slicked  back.  It's  always 

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Sof Camacho: perfect  hair,  huge  bows.  So,  I  grew  up,  even  just 

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Sof Camacho: if  there  was a lump in  my  hair,  I  needed  to  start  my 

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Sof Camacho: hair  over  again.  It  was  like  everything  needs  to  be 

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Sof Camacho: perfect.  If  my  handwriting  was  poor,  I  would  redo  my 

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Sof Camacho: homework.  I  would  ask  for  a  new  piece  of  paper. Even if 

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Sof Camacho: I  was  in  class,  I  would  ask  for  a  new 

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Sof Camacho: one  and  redo  the  whole  thing,  rewrite  it.  That  was 

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Sof Camacho: so  extreme.  I  did  that  throughout  all  of  high  school 

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Sof Camacho: even,  like  my  hair,  everything  needed  to  be  perfect.  I 

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Sof Camacho: guess  now  that  I'm  running  faster  than  I  did  in 

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Sof Camacho: college,  when  I  was  trying  to  maintain  the  oatmeal  that 

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Sof Camacho: I  ate...  I  would  bring  it  with  me  in  a 

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Sof Camacho: bag,  very  specific.  Everything  was  perfect  and  it  was  so 

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Sof Camacho: exhausting  because the  second  something  wasn't  perfect,  it  was  the  end 

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Sof Camacho: of  my  world.
 With  nightlife,  it  kind  of  forced  me 

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Sof Camacho: to  lean  into  the  side  where  everything  is  not  going 

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Sof Camacho: to  be  perfect  and  I  have  to  be  ready  for 

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Sof Camacho: that.  Leaning  into  that  side  of  me  made  it  so 

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Sof Camacho: that  I  would  expect  things  to  not  be  perfect  and, 

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Sof Camacho: in  turn,  my  response  to,  I  call  it  my  trains 

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Sof Camacho: being  knocked  over,  is  more  like, " I  knew  this  would 

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Sof Camacho: happen,"  and  I  also  know  I'm  going  to  figure  it 

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Sof Camacho: out  no  matter  what  because  I  always  have.  So,  it 

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Sof Camacho: forces  me  out  of  the  panic.  I  would  be  lying 

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Sof Camacho: if  I  still  don't  have  perfectionist  tendencies  in  me.  But, 

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Sof Camacho: at  the  same  time,  the  nightlife  work  and  then  the 

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Sof Camacho: advocating  for  that  side  is...  You  can  actually  achieve  fitness 

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Sof Camacho: things,  fitness  goals,  fitness  milestones  and  breakthroughs,  even  with  an 

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Sof Camacho: unconventional  schedule  or  what  you  would  think  is  the  opposite 

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Sof Camacho: of  what  a  semi- pro  athlete  would  be  doing.
 Especially 

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Sof Camacho: in  the  running  world  where...  Running  should  be  accessible,  right? 

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Sof Camacho: Running  should  be  for  everyone.  So,  if  you  work  at 

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Sof Camacho: night,  running  is  for  you.  If  you  run  a  little 

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Sof Camacho: bit  slower,  running is  for  you.  If  you  walk  most  of 

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Sof Camacho: your  runs,  running  is  yours.  So,  I  don't  like  seeing, 

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Sof Camacho: especially  more  recently,  just  the  gatekeeping  of  running  because  I 

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Sof Camacho: feel  like  it's  the  last  sport  that  should  be  gatekeeped. 

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Sof Camacho: You  have  two  feet  or  you  could  even  have  one. 

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Sof Camacho: I  don't  care  how  many  feet  you  have.  Running  is 

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Sof Camacho: yours.  I'm  a  huge  advocate  for  the  concept  of  it's 

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Sof Camacho: for  everyone  and  the  external  like, " Did  you  take  your 

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Sof Camacho: electrolytes?  Did  you  take  your  fuel?  You  need  this,  you 

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Sof Camacho: need  that,"  the  overspending.  I  get  it.  But  at  the 

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Sof Camacho: same  time,  any  fuel  works,  any  hydration  works.  So,  the 

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Sof Camacho: narrative  of  needing  all  these  specific  things  to  be  good 

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Sof Camacho: at  something  is  what  my  main  thing  is.
And  I  try 

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Sof Camacho: to  do  that  through  nightlife  and  working  in  nightlife  and 

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Sof Camacho: drag.  You  can  be  an  artist  and  an  athlete.  You 

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Sof Camacho: should  be  a  multifaceted  person  if  you  have  many  things. 

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Sof Camacho: Running  should  just  add  on  to  you  as  a  person, 

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Sof Camacho: not  take  over  your  whole  personhood,  I  guess.

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Becs Gentry: Yes,  I  am  with  you  and  I  have  my  pom 

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Becs Gentry: poms  out  cheering  for  everything  you  just  said  because,  as 

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Becs Gentry: we're  both  running  coaches  as  well,  it  hurts  me  when 

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Becs Gentry: people  think  running  isn't  for  them,  or  they  can't  fit 

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Becs Gentry: in,  or  it  has  to  be  marathon  training  and  they 

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Becs Gentry: can't  fit  it  into  their  life.  I'm  just  constantly  like, "

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Becs Gentry: No,  maybe  you  see  that  because  it's  in  Vogue  right 

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Becs Gentry: now,  distance  running,  super  cool,  yes.  People  going  to  run a 

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Becs Gentry: 100K  on  their  Monday  morning,  cool,  good  for  them.  That's 

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Becs Gentry: their  schedule.  They  can  celebrate  that.  You  can  celebrate  that 

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Becs Gentry: with  them.  But  if  it's  not  your  schedule,  it  doesn't 

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Becs Gentry: matter.  You  make  it  work  and  you  just  start  by 

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Becs Gentry: walking.  You  start  by,  instead  of  getting  in  your  car 

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Becs Gentry: to  a  shop,  walk  to  it.  You've  got  to  make 

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Becs Gentry: it  yours."  And I  love  that  you  just  said  running is  for 

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Becs Gentry: everyone,  and  it  truly  is.  I  always  tell  people, " It's 

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Becs Gentry: not  about  the  pace.  It  doesn't  matter  because..."  I'm  sure 

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Becs Gentry: you've  had  that  as  a  running  coach  before, " You  are 

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Becs Gentry: fast."  I  was  fast.

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Sof Camacho: No,  you  are  (inaudible) .  Fast  is  relative.

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Becs Gentry: Yes,  it's  relative  and  people  are  like, " Oh,  well,  I 

352
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Becs Gentry: can't  run  like  you,  so  I'm  not  going  to."  I'm  like, "

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Becs Gentry: You  think  I  came  out  of  the  womb  running  like 

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Becs Gentry: that?  I  used  to  run  like  Phoebe  from  Friends,  all 

355
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Becs Gentry: arms  and  legs  everywhere.  It  takes  some  practice,  yes,  but 

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Becs Gentry: you've  got  to  make  it  yours.  I'm  here."  Okay.  So, 

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Becs Gentry: your  girlfriend  says  that  your  superpower  is  your  brain.  I 

358
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Becs Gentry: think  everybody  has  just  heard  why  and  how.  How  do 

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Becs Gentry: you  learn  so  much?  Where  do  you  learn  from  and 

360
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Becs Gentry: how  does  it  play  a  part  of  you  in  your 

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Becs Gentry: art  and  your  sport?  Because  I  know  you  do  actual 

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Becs Gentry: art,  like  drawing  too,  as  well  as  performing  art.  How 

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Becs Gentry: is  your  intellect...  How  does  your  brain  work  across  all 

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Becs Gentry: of  these  multifaceted  parts  of  you?

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Sof Camacho: I  think  you  just  said  it  because,  in  the  back 

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Sof Camacho: of  my  mind,  it's  the  concept  of  figuring  it  out. 

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Sof Camacho: I  will  figure  it  out.  I  don't  care  how.  I 

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Sof Camacho: know  I  spoke  about  needing  everything  to  be  perfect,  but 

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Sof Camacho: the  truth  is  that  that  was  my  only  thing  that 

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Sof Camacho: I  could  hang  onto  growing  up  because  my  life,  not 

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Sof Camacho: to  be  this  person,  but  my  upbringing  was  pretty  difficult. 

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Sof Camacho: A  lot  of  my  life  was  spent  in  survival  mode. 

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Sof Camacho: You  kind  of  only  learn  that  later  when  you  discover 

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Sof Camacho: that  that's  not  the  way  you  have  to  live  your 

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Sof Camacho: whole  life  and  that  discovery  actually,  it  doesn't  hurt  you, 

376
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Sof Camacho: but  it  can  flip  your  world  upside  down  when  you 

377
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Sof Camacho: realize  that  there's  another  side  to  life  that's  not  just 

378
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Sof Camacho: surviving.  Because  then  when  you  discover  that  there  is  good 

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Sof Camacho: and  that  there's  a  whole  positive  side  of  life  that you 

380
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Sof Camacho: can  have,  you  realize  like, " Oh,  I  can  have  this 

381
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Sof Camacho: good  thing.  So,  now,  I  can  see  how  bad  the 

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Sof Camacho: other  things  were."
 I  talked  a  little  bit  about  my 

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Sof Camacho: high  school  experience  and  how  that  was  a  little  crazy 

384
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Sof Camacho: with  a  coach  that  forced  me  into  sexual  relationships  that 

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Sof Camacho: were  inappropriate.  I've  spoken  about  the  hard  upbringing  I  had 

386
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Sof Camacho: in  my  household  as  well.  So  I  think,  after  all 

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Sof Camacho: of  that,  I  figured  it  out.  I  still  was  valedictorian 

388
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Sof Camacho: in  high  school  somehow.  I  still  went  to  the  school, 

389
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Sof Camacho: the  Division  1  Ivy  League  that  I  got  myself  into. 

390
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Sof Camacho: I  figured  it  out.  In  the  back  of  my  mind, 

391
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Sof Camacho: it's  like, " Okay,  it's  going  to  be  crazy.  Hang  on 

392
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Sof Camacho: tight.  It's  not  going  to  be  easy."  Not  to  sound 

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Sof Camacho: again  pessimistic,  but,  in  the  back  of  my  mind,  it's  like, "

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Sof Camacho: This  could  go  so  wrong,  but  you're  going  to  hang 

395
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Sof Camacho: onto  the  driver's  seat  and  you're  going  to  push  that 

396
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Sof Camacho: pedal  and  it's  not  going  to  be  perfect  and  it 

397
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Sof Camacho: might  be  ugly,  but  you're  going  to  figure  it  out." 

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Sof Camacho: So,  I  think  that's  it  too.
 It's  also  just  a 

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Sof Camacho: lot  of  things  in  my  mind  are  not  optional.  So, 

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Sof Camacho: removing  the  option  to  do  things  makes  it  that  you 

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Sof Camacho: have to,  and  I  slowly  discovered  art  in  my  life.  Having 

402
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Sof Camacho: that  is  not  negotiable,  right?  I  need  it  in  my 

403
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Sof Camacho: life  to  thrive  in  other  sides.  I  also  realized, " Well, 

404
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Sof Camacho: oh  my,  God,  running  is  also  apparently  non- negotiable,  so 

405
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Sof Camacho: I  have  no  option  but  to  figure  out  this  thing." 

406
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Sof Camacho: And  then,  in  that,  it  forced  me  into  a  lot 

407
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Sof Camacho: of  spaces  where  I'm  a  very  shy  person  and  I 

408
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Sof Camacho: also  have  an  autism  diagnosis  that  makes  social  and  performing 

409
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Sof Camacho: things  hard  for  me.  So,  when  drag  became  part  of 

410
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Sof Camacho: my  career  and  coaching  on  a  microphone  and  coaching  to 

411
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Sof Camacho: bigger  crowds  for  a  large  company,  I  found  none  of 

412
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Sof Camacho: that  in  my  life  and  I  figured  it  out  because-

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Becs Gentry: You did.

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Sof Camacho: ... all  of  these  things  were  scary  for  me.  I  remember 

415
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Sof Camacho: before  coaching  my  first  Mile  High  class  on  the  microphone, 

416
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Sof Camacho: I  was  freaking  so  bad.  (inaudible)   same  time  on 

417
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Sof Camacho: stage  too,  people  that  knew  me  were  like, " Oh,  my 

418
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Sof Camacho: God,  I  didn't  think  you  were  going  to do that. I didn't think you were going to  get  up 

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Sof Camacho: there."  I  think  it's  just  these  things  I  love  doing, 

420
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Sof Camacho: and so I have to  figure  out  how  I  can  do  that.

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Becs Gentry: The  strength,  the  strength. I like it.  It's  like  you're  prepared  though.  With 

422
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Becs Gentry: it,  comes  a  strength  of  being  prepared  that,  as  you  said, "

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Becs Gentry: If  it  doesn't  go  well,  I'll  also  figure  that  out, 

424
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Becs Gentry: and  so  I'm  going  to  do  it,  and  here  we 

425
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Becs Gentry: go,  white  knuckle  and  go."

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Sof Camacho: Yes.  I  don't  mean  it  like  don't  prepare  for  your 

427
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Sof Camacho: runs  or  don't  prepare  for  your  job.  I  mean  prepare, 

428
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Sof Camacho: but  in  the  back  of  your  mind...  Especially  with  marathon 

429
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Sof Camacho: training,  I  tell  my  runners, " Your  build  won't  be  perfect. 

430
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Sof Camacho: Your  race  won't  be  perfect.  Don't  train  perfectly  because  then 

431
00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:28,350
Sof Camacho: you'll  be  ready  for  when  things  kind  of..."
 For  example, 

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Sof Camacho: one  day,  I  forgot  my  fuel  for  a  long  run, 

433
00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:36,540
Sof Camacho: it  was  two  hours.  Me  and  my  girlfriend  were  walking 

434
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Sof Camacho: around  the  Chelsea  Flea  where  they  had  bits  and  bobs 

435
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,080
Sof Camacho: and  I  realized  like, " I  have  a  two- hour  run 

436
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,720
Sof Camacho: and  we  need  to be  at  a  show  at  a  certain 

437
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,890
Sof Camacho: time."  So,  I  have  literally  two  hours  to  do  this 

438
00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:52,859
Sof Camacho: run.  I  don't  have  time  to  wait  for  traffic  lights. 

439
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:56,520
Sof Camacho: The  two- hour  run  that  takes  two  and  a  half 

440
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,040
Sof Camacho: hours,  I  don't  have  time.  I  went  in  two  Mile 

441
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,560
Sof Camacho: High  and  I  said, " I  have  two  hours."  So,  I 

442
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,840
Sof Camacho: turned  on  the  treadmill  and  I'm  running  for  two  hours 

443
00:28:04,169 --> 00:28:06,929
Sof Camacho: and  I  think, " I  forgot  fuel,"  so  click  pause  for 

444
00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:10,199
Sof Camacho: two  seconds,  I  grabbed  some  of  the  mints  in  the 

445
00:28:10,260 --> 00:28:13,950
Sof Camacho: locker  room  and  I'm  like, " This is my fuel for  the  next  two  hours."

446
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Becs Gentry: Oh,  my god. Gross.

447
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Sof Camacho: (inaudible)  with me and it was disgusting, but  I  got  it  done-

448
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,609
Becs Gentry: You  did.

449
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Sof Camacho: It  wasn't  graceful  and  I  might  never  eat  a  mint 

450
00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:24,990
Sof Camacho: again,  but-

451
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Becs Gentry: Understand-

452
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Sof Camacho: I  made  that.

453
00:28:26,311 --> 00:28:26,400
Becs Gentry: But you had great breath and-

454
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Sof Camacho: Come  race  day,  maybe  if  I  forget,  I'm  like, " Okay, 

455
00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:34,470
Sof Camacho: I  did  mints,  I  can  do  anything."

456
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Becs Gentry: Yeah,  you  literally  will  put  your  hand  in  those  disgusting 

457
00:28:37,619 --> 00:28:41,040
Becs Gentry: bowls  of  sweets  that  people  hand  out,  but  it's  fuel. 

458
00:28:41,550 --> 00:28:45,450
Becs Gentry: Oh,  my  goodness.
 Okay,  so  talking  about  preparing,  we  both 

459
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:49,020
Becs Gentry: got  to  run  the  Nike  After  Dark  in  LA  earlier. 

460
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,770
Becs Gentry: When  even  was  that? Was  that  March,  April,  sometime  around  that? 

461
00:28:52,770 --> 00:28:53,310
Becs Gentry: No,  June. June.

462
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:54,930
Sof Camacho: June,  yes.

463
00:28:54,990 --> 00:28:56,640
Becs Gentry: Wow.  It  feels  like  so  long  ago.

464
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Sof Camacho: It  does.

465
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Becs Gentry: We  spoke,  actually...  We  were  on  a  whole  trip  together 

466
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Becs Gentry: that  weekend  and  always  your  cheerleader,  I  was  like, "Sof's  going 

467
00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:10,380
Becs Gentry: to win, Sof's  going  to  win,"  and  you  were like, "Becs,  I  have  been 

468
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,560
Becs Gentry: injured.  I  have  not  been  training  for  more  than  30 

469
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,110
Becs Gentry: minutes  a  day,"  which  is  an  amazing  amount  of  running 

470
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Becs Gentry: for  anyone  wondering  out  there.  That's  still  phenomenal  to  be 

471
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:24,510
Becs Gentry: going  out  for  30  minutes  a  day.  But  again,  as 

472
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Becs Gentry: I've  said  earlier,  it's  all  relative  to  who  you  are 

473
00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:29,880
Becs Gentry: and  what  you're  training  for. For  you,  in  that  moment,  it 

474
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:34,380
Becs Gentry: wasn't  what  you  would  ideally  want  to  be  training  ahead 

475
00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:37,200
Becs Gentry: of  a  half  marathon.  So,  what  was  on  your  mind 

476
00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:42,690
Becs Gentry: as  we  all  lined  up  for  that  multiply  delayed  start 

477
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:43,920
Becs Gentry: of  the  race?

478
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,410
Sof Camacho: Oh,  my.  I  was  actually  really  nervous  because,  by  then, 

479
00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:53,970
Sof Camacho: the  longest  run  I'd  done  for  a  couple  months  leading 

480
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:55,440
Sof Camacho: up  to  that  race...  I  even  had  to  pull  out 

481
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,020
Sof Camacho: of  the  last  day  of  Southbound  400  because  my  knee 

482
00:29:58,020 --> 00:30:01,980
Sof Camacho: was  hurting  so  bad.  I  was  nervous  that  maybe  it 

483
00:30:01,980 --> 00:30:03,570
Sof Camacho: was  going  to  start  hurting  in  the  middle  of  that 

484
00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:07,920
Sof Camacho: race.  The  longest  run  I'd  done  was  the  shakeout  the 

485
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,180
Sof Camacho: day  before  actually  because  I  didn't  realize  that  some  of 

486
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:15,720
Sof Camacho: the  girls  were  doing  a  longer  shakeout.  I  was  there 

487
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,210
Sof Camacho: coaching,  I  was  there  working,  so  I  was  like, " Let 

488
00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:21,300
Sof Camacho: me  go  catch  up  to  them  and  be  the  coach 

489
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:25,470
Sof Camacho: that  makes  sure  everyone  gets  back  to  the  hotel."  We 

490
00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:26,820
Sof Camacho: were  out  there,  I  caught  up  to  them  and  I 

491
00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:29,370
Sof Camacho: was  like, " Okay," it's  an  out  and  back  and  I've  been 

492
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:33,090
Sof Camacho: going  out  for  20  or  so  minutes,  so, " How  much 

493
00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:35,670
Sof Camacho: longer  are  they?"  And  then,  I  realized, " Oh,  this  is 

494
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:36,781
Sof Camacho: a  longer  shakeout  than I thought."

495
00:30:36,781 --> 00:30:38,610
Becs Gentry: Yeah,  they  did  like  8  miles,  didn't  they?

496
00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:44,160
Sof Camacho: I  think  so,  yeah. I was like, "Okay,  all  right,  longest  run in a  couple  months." 

497
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:48,570
Sof Camacho: Yeah, it was  that  8  miles.  I  was  like, " All  right."  I 

498
00:30:48,570 --> 00:30:51,690
Sof Camacho: was  really  just  nervous.  I  wasn't  sure  how  my  body 

499
00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:55,710
Sof Camacho: was  going  to  respond  at  all.  And  also,  just  there is 

500
00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:58,650
Sof Camacho: a  newer  pressure  that  I've  been,  not  getting  used  to, 

501
00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:05,520
Sof Camacho: but  acknowledging  this  year,  after  winning  things  or  after  I 

502
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,290
Sof Camacho: guess  having  running  breakthroughs,  is  that  people  kind  of  know 

503
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:13,890
Sof Camacho: my  name  now,  which  is  new  to me,  and  expect  certain 

504
00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:17,610
Sof Camacho: things.  I  just  want  to  live  up  to  that,  but 

505
00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:20,520
Sof Camacho: also  just  wasn't  sure  genuinely  if  I  would  be  able 

506
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,050
Sof Camacho: to.  So,  I  was  nervous.  But  then,  like  you  said, 

507
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:27,180
Sof Camacho: those  words  that  my  girlfriend  said  to  me  do  live 

508
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:30,030
Sof Camacho: in  the  back  of  my  mind,  and  I  called  her, 

509
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:36,090
Sof Camacho: I  was  like, " Danny,  I'm  nervous."
 Usually,  I  can  kind 

510
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:39,390
Sof Camacho: of  block  it  out  or  remember  like, " No,  I've  got 

511
00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:43,140
Sof Camacho: this.  I  know  I've  worked  hard,"  but,  this  time,  I 

512
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:47,190
Sof Camacho: don't  have  that.  The  hard  work  is  there,  but  not 

513
00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:51,090
Sof Camacho: in  a  training  way. " I've  been  injured.  This  is  different," 

514
00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:53,310
Sof Camacho: I  told  her.  She's  like, " It's  not  different.  You'll  figure 

515
00:31:53,310 --> 00:31:56,580
Sof Camacho: it  out.  This  is  the  part  where  it's  the  same 

516
00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:59,190
Sof Camacho: as  everything  else.  It  feels  different,  but  you'll  figure  it 

517
00:31:59,190 --> 00:32:02,040
Sof Camacho: out,"  and  so  she's...  I  missed  her  so  much  on 

518
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,750
Sof Camacho: that  trip.  I  know  it  was  only  two  days,  but 

519
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:08,310
Sof Camacho: it  wasn't fun.  You  take  us  apart  for  two  days,  and 

520
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:10,830
Sof Camacho: it's  the  end  of  the  world.  I  really  missed  her, 

521
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:12,840
Sof Camacho: so  having  her  voice  in  the  back  of  my  mind 

522
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Sof Camacho: was  the  superpower  that  day.  It  was  more  just-

523
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,360
Becs Gentry: Well,  it  worked.  It  worked.

524
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,940
Sof Camacho: I  was  so  excited  at  that  point.  I  was  just... 

525
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:22,950
Sof Camacho: It  was  so  cool  to  be  there.

526
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:24,510
Becs Gentry: It  was.  It  was  vibrant.

527
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,310
Sof Camacho: (inaudible)   was  working and I  was  there  as  a  coach,  but 

528
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:28,530
Sof Camacho: oh,  my  God. " What  do  you  mean  we  were  flown 

529
00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:31,320
Sof Camacho: out?  What  do  you  mean  I'm  here  in LA for the  first  time 

530
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,740
Sof Camacho: with  Nike?"  I  also  just  tried  to  lock  in  like, "

531
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:38,880
Sof Camacho: Oh,  my  God,  this  is  so  fun,"  and,  at  the 

532
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,910
Sof Camacho: same,  my  heart  was  really  hurting  because  of  everything  happening 

533
00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:46,470
Sof Camacho: with  ICE  and  just...  I'm  Mexican.  My  family's  affected.  People 

534
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:49,260
Sof Camacho: around  me  are  affected.  And  even  if  I  wasn't,  the 

535
00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:52,650
Sof Camacho: kids  that  are  out  there  are  affected.  So  just  being 

536
00:32:52,650 --> 00:32:55,890
Sof Camacho: in  a  very  Mexican  space  in  LA,  realizing  how  Mexican 

537
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:59,760
Sof Camacho: it  is,  being  there  for  the  first  time  was  also 

538
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,110
Sof Camacho: a  driving  force  for  me.

539
00:33:01,650 --> 00:33:05,880
Becs Gentry: It  was.  There  was  a  lot  of  support  too  on 

540
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,500
Becs Gentry: the  course  from  the  people  cheering.  It  was  so  united 

541
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,719
Becs Gentry: not  just  for  the 18, 000  women  who  ran  through  the 

542
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,989
Becs Gentry: night.  What  was  it,  20- something  percent?  It  was  their 

543
00:33:18,990 --> 00:33:22,500
Becs Gentry: first  race  ever  or  their  first  half.  There  was  just 

544
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,700
Becs Gentry: so  much  going  on.  You  broke  the  tape  in  1 

545
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,670
Becs Gentry: hour,  15  minutes, and  25  seconds.  Just  FYI,  everyone,  even  with 

546
00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:37,500
Becs Gentry: an  injury,  Sof  can  still  fly,  and  it  wasn't  a 

547
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:41,520
Becs Gentry: kind  course.  It  was  rolling  hills.  It  was  kind  of 

548
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Becs Gentry: an  out  and  back.  Again,  it  was  at  night,  but 

549
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:49,500
Becs Gentry: you  are  clearly  totally  used  to  running  every  single  hour 

550
00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:53,160
Becs Gentry: possible.  How  did  you  feel  when  you  came  over  that 

551
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,990
Becs Gentry: line  with  that  time?

552
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,290
Sof Camacho: The  way  out,  I  didn't  want  to  lead.  The  thing 

553
00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:03,210
Sof Camacho: in  the  back  of  my  mind  was, " Don't  lead,  just 

554
00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:07,590
Sof Camacho: go  with  the  flow,"  but  it  happened  organically  to  where 

555
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:09,870
Sof Camacho: I  was  really  trying  to  not  lead  and  there  was 

556
00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:12,750
Sof Camacho: someone  in  front  of  me.
 But  my  pet  peeve  personally 

557
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:15,120
Sof Camacho: is  when  someone  is  breathing  behind  me  and  I  can 

558
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,469
Sof Camacho: feel  them  and  hear  them  and  there's  an  unspoken, " I 

559
00:34:19,469 --> 00:34:22,290
Sof Camacho: want  to  pass  you  in  the  breath  and  steps  of 

560
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,980
Sof Camacho: my  neighbor,"  or  maybe  I'm  just  hyper  aware  of  my 

561
00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:28,980
Sof Camacho: surroundings  like  that,  but  I  could  feel  that  I  was 

562
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:31,350
Sof Camacho: doing  that  to  this  person  that  was  in  the  lead. 

563
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:33,840
Sof Camacho: I  said, " Let  me  not  do  this.  Let  me  run 

564
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Sof Camacho: my  own  race.  Let  me  just  do  it.  I don't know.  I'm 

565
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,280
Sof Camacho: just  going  to  go  because  I  feel  great  and  I'm 

566
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,480
Sof Camacho: being  annoying.  I  could  feel  it."  So,  I  took  off 

567
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,790
Sof Camacho: and  I  said, " Well,  my  one  goal  was  to  not 

568
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:49,830
Sof Camacho: lead,"  and  here  I  am  doing  the  one  thing  that 

569
00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:51,930
Sof Camacho: I  said  I  wasn't  going  to  do  because  I  felt 

570
00:34:51,930 --> 00:34:55,020
Sof Camacho: fine,  I  felt  good.  In  turn,  I  was  like, " All 

571
00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:58,170
Sof Camacho: right,  so  this  is  what  it's  going  to  be."
 But 

572
00:34:58,170 --> 00:35:00,660
Sof Camacho: then,  the  way  back,  oh,  my  God,  I  was  not 

573
00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:04,890
Sof Camacho: expecting  to  run  back  and  have  everyone  cheer  the  way 

574
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:09,690
Sof Camacho: they  were  because  I  was  alone. I was  alone  alone.  The  wonderful 

575
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,540
Sof Camacho: woman  on  the  bike,  she's  also  an  endurance  coach.  She 

576
00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:16,410
Sof Camacho: coaches  children.  Her  name's  Nadia.  She's  wonderful.  We  kind  of 

577
00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:19,050
Sof Camacho: talked  during  the  race  where  I  turned  to  her  in 

578
00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:21,510
Sof Camacho: awe  of  everyone  cheering  and  I  was  like, " Oh,  my 

579
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:24,870
Sof Camacho: God,  I'm  going  to  cry.  What  is  happening  here?"  Because 

580
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:29,670
Sof Camacho: I  saw  you  throughout  the  course  and  I  saw  people 

581
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:32,280
Sof Camacho: on  the  trip  with  us  and  I  saw  my  co-

582
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,670
Sof Camacho: workers  and  I  saw  other  people  that  were  Mexican  where 

583
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:38,001
Sof Camacho: I  pointed  to  them  because  I  could  tell  from  their  (foreign language)

584
00:35:38,001 --> 00:35:41,700
Sof Camacho: ,  their  bows  and  their  colors  they  were  wearing,  that 

585
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:43,469
Sof Camacho: I  was  like, " Oh,  my  God.  Me, too."  So,  we  were 

586
00:35:43,469 --> 00:35:49,500
Sof Camacho: all  just  a  big  mess  of  emotional  happy  runners,  which 

587
00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:55,590
Sof Camacho: was  so  insane.  When  I  say  my  cheeks  were  hurting, 

588
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,050
Sof Camacho: Becs,  the  whole  run  back,  I'm  not  kidding,  from  literally 

589
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:05,850
Sof Camacho: 7,  less  than  7,  just  under  7  miles  of  pure 

590
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:08,310
Sof Camacho: joy.  I  was  not  prepared  for  that.

591
00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:08,670
Becs Gentry: No.

592
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,310
Sof Camacho: (inaudible) .  It  was  crazy.

593
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:17,190
Becs Gentry: Yeah,  I  can't  imagine  running  through  it  as  a  Mexican 

594
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:22,950
Becs Gentry: person  as  well  because,  to  me,  I'm  also  an  immigrant 

595
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:29,790
Becs Gentry: in  this  country,  it  hurts  my  heart.  As  a  white 

596
00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:32,760
Becs Gentry: person,  it's  different.  We're  looked  at,  we're  viewed  differently,  but 

597
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:38,219
Becs Gentry: it  doesn't  mean  I  can't  feel  it  and  want  to  shout, "

598
00:36:38,219 --> 00:36:40,230
Becs Gentry: Me,  too,"  in  a  funny  way  of  like, " I'm  with 

599
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:47,010
Becs Gentry: you.  I  stand  with  you."  For  the  female  world,  just 

600
00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:52,830
Becs Gentry: to  see  just over 18, 000  of  women  running  along  the  streets 

601
00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:55,680
Becs Gentry: that  night,  just  doing  what  they  want  to  do  and 

602
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,750
Becs Gentry: having  fun  was  astounding.  Trust  me,  the  cheek  ache,  I 

603
00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:03,330
Becs Gentry: was  dragged  around  it  by  Kira  who  was  like, " Let's 

604
00:37:03,330 --> 00:37:06,450
Becs Gentry: just  chat  and  run."  I'm  like, " Kira,  I'm  actually  dying 

605
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:10,860
Becs Gentry: at  your  chatting  pace,  but  I'm  not  leaving  you  because 

606
00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:13,980
Becs Gentry: I  get  to  run  a  half  marathon  with  you."  But 

607
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:15,900
Becs Gentry: I  felt  the  same,  coming  over  that  finish  line,  just 

608
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:22,230
Becs Gentry: in  awe  of  that  evening.  Brand  withstanding,  they  did  a 

609
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:24,570
Becs Gentry: great  job,  but  I  think  it  was  more  the  humans 

610
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:28,530
Becs Gentry: involved  in  actually  making  it  happen.
 All  right,  let's  move 

611
00:37:28,530 --> 00:37:30,180
Becs Gentry: on  to  our  next  race,  I  love  that  we've  run 

612
00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:37,620
Becs Gentry: these  together,  the  absolutely,  just  mind- blowingly  cool  Bandit  Grand 

613
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:41,070
Becs Gentry: Prix  in  Brooklyn  this  year.  I  don't  know  how  you 

614
00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:46,290
Becs Gentry: felt  about  going  into  that  race,  but,  for  me,  I 

615
00:37:46,650 --> 00:37:49,680
Becs Gentry: do  not  love  the  shorter  distances  in  how  I  perform 

616
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,510
Becs Gentry: because  it  hurts  quicker,  but  they  intrigued  me.  This  one 

617
00:37:54,510 --> 00:38:01,560
Becs Gentry: was  nothing  ever  before.  What  was  your  training  or  mindset 

618
00:38:01,590 --> 00:38:05,009
Becs Gentry: going  into  this  as  something  that  was  so  new  in 

619
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:09,840
Becs Gentry: race  structure  compared  to  other  things  that  we've  all  done  recently?

620
00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:16,500
Sof Camacho: Yeah,  similar  to  Nike  After  Dark,  where  I  said  to 

621
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,380
Sof Camacho: my  girlfriend, " I'm  not  ready  for  this,"  I  said  the 

622
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:23,010
Sof Camacho: same  thing  to  her  for  this  Bandit  Grand  Prix  because... 

623
00:38:23,580 --> 00:38:25,710
Sof Camacho: I  told  her  like, " No,  no,  this  time  for  real." 

624
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,580
Sof Camacho: I  said, " I  don't  have  any  speed  training  in  me, 

625
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Sof Camacho: none."  I  can't  remember  the  last  time  I  touched  a 

626
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,650
Sof Camacho: track.  I  don't  have  it  in  my  legs.  I'm  not 

627
00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:38,790
Sof Camacho: built  this  kind  of  running.  In  college,  I  did  the 

628
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:44,190
Sof Camacho: 3K  and  the 5K,  but  the  training  was  so  different.  I 

629
00:38:44,190 --> 00:38:47,219
Sof Camacho: even  told  Daniela,  I  was  like, " I  haven't  even  been 

630
00:38:47,219 --> 00:38:49,950
Sof Camacho: doing  my  strides  after  my  easy  runs  like  I'm  supposed 

631
00:38:49,950 --> 00:38:55,200
Sof Camacho: to.  I  haven't  even  touched  speed  at  all,"  and  so 

632
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,160
Sof Camacho: I  was  also  nervous  for  that.  I  said, " Okay,  let 

633
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,069
Sof Camacho: me  just..."  I  also  registered  very  last  minute.  It  was 

634
00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:04,350
Sof Camacho: like  two  days  before.  I  wasn't  even  on  the  list, 

635
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,290
Sof Camacho: the  first  list,  that  came  out  because  I  delayed  registration 

636
00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:07,800
Sof Camacho: so  long.

637
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Becs Gentry: Same.

638
00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:12,540
Sof Camacho: It  was  like  Sasha  said, " Do  you  want  to  be 

639
00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:16,290
Sof Camacho: on  our  team,"  she  said, " for  this  thing?"  I  hadn't 

640
00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:19,050
Sof Camacho: heard  of  it.  I  said, " Sure,"  and  I  forgot  that 

641
00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:21,960
Sof Camacho: I  said  yes  to  her  for  this  thing.  We  started 

642
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,910
Sof Camacho: getting  reminders  and  emails  and  I  was  like, " Let  me 

643
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:25,830
Sof Camacho: go  check  my  email,"  and  I  saw  it and  I  was  like, "

644
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:29,610
Sof Camacho: Oh,  no,  that  means  I  have  to do it because  I  felt  bad." 

645
00:39:29,610 --> 00:39:31,739
Sof Camacho: I  was  literally  going  to  tell  her, " I'm  so  sorry. 

646
00:39:31,890 --> 00:39:33,870
Sof Camacho: I  don't  think,"  but I was  like, " No,  no,  no.  Be  a 

647
00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:37,020
Sof Camacho: good  friend.  Be a  good  friend,"  so  I  did  it.  I 

648
00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:41,640
Sof Camacho: went  for  the  5K.
 Again,  I  was  also  nervous  like, "

649
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,500
Sof Camacho: This  is  going  to  feel  like  college.  It's  going  to 

650
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:47,670
Sof Camacho: be  a  track  meet  where  we're  there  all  day."  For 

651
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:51,000
Sof Camacho: the  5K,  I  wore  my  super  shoes  and  then  I 

652
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,002
Sof Camacho: had  a  rock  stuck  in  the  little  hole.  (inaudible) .

653
00:39:54,570 --> 00:39:55,320
Becs Gentry: Oh,  underneath?

654
00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:56,070
Sof Camacho: Yeah.

655
00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:57,180
Becs Gentry: Yeah,  I  hate  that.

656
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:59,819
Sof Camacho: A  piece  of  pebble.  So, for the  whole  race,  I  was  kind 

657
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:01,529
Sof Camacho: of  just  turning  to  the  girls  next  to  me  being  like, "

658
00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:03,210
Sof Camacho: Oh,  my  God,  the  rock  is  stuck,"  but  I  could 

659
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:05,250
Sof Camacho: tell  that  obviously  no  one's  in  a  chatty  mood  because 

660
00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:07,799
Sof Camacho: it is a  5K.  It  was  boiling  hot at 2:00 PM.

661
00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:11,340
Becs Gentry: And  dry  from  all  that  dust  on  the  gravel,  all 

662
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:13,830
Becs Gentry: I  thought...  I  thought  I  was  sick.  I  honestly  thought there 

663
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,940
Becs Gentry: was  something  wrong  with  me.

664
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:16,830
Sof Camacho: From  the  heat,  yeah,  it  was  so  hot  that  people 

665
00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:20,940
Sof Camacho: were  throwing  up  because  at  least...  Again,  speed  is  relative, 

666
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:29,969
Sof Camacho: but  it  was  just  not  a  fast  time.  The  5K and the 3K were 

667
00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:31,020
Sof Camacho: just  not  fast.

668
00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:34,710
Becs Gentry: No, because there  was  multiple  turns  too.  There  was  like  hairpin...  I 

669
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:37,230
Becs Gentry: think  it  was  eight,  six  or  eight  turns  in  that 

670
00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:39,030
Becs Gentry: 1K  loop.

671
00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:45,540
Sof Camacho: Yes,  very  strategic,  very  not  time- based  at  all.  So, I showed up and it was so 

672
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:48,900
Sof Camacho: overwhelming.  The  music  was  great.  You  step  in  and  you're  like, "

673
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:51,180
Sof Camacho: Okay,  this  is  cool."  And  then,  after  30  minutes,  you're  like, "

674
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:53,850
Sof Camacho: Oh,  my  god,  it's  going  to  be  like  this  all 

675
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:57,839
Sof Camacho: day  and  all  night." I did the 5K, and then  I  went  home  and  then  I  left.

676
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,110
Becs Gentry: Same.

677
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,370
Sof Camacho: (Inaudible)  I said I can't.  And  then,  I  grabbed  my  girlfriend  and  I  said, "

678
00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:06,149
Sof Camacho: This  is  a  cool  kid  thing  and  I  don't  feel 

679
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,330
Sof Camacho: adequate,  so  I  need  you  there  to  just  feel  better. 

680
00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:14,370
Sof Camacho: I  need  you  there,  please."  I  said  to her,  I  was  like, "

681
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:17,460
Sof Camacho: I'm  the  only  trans  person.  There  is  no  non- binary 

682
00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:21,480
Sof Camacho: category.  I  need  you  there."  So,  I  grabbed  her  and I said, "

683
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:23,879
Sof Camacho: You're  coming  with  me  and  we're  going  to  just  be 

684
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,920
Sof Camacho: each  other's  person  for  this  thing."
 It  was  wonderful  though 

685
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,660
Sof Camacho: because  there  were  people  that  were  like, " I  know  you 

686
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:33,000
Sof Camacho: from  After  Dark,"  or, " I  know  you  from  this.  I 

687
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,739
Sof Camacho: know  you  from  that.  I  love  what  you  stand  for." 

688
00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:40,890
Sof Camacho: Again,  it's  the  people,  the  runners  themselves  specifically,  that  really 

689
00:41:40,890 --> 00:41:44,850
Sof Camacho: kept  me  in  it  and  kept  me  like, " Okay,  I 

690
00:41:44,850 --> 00:41:47,340
Sof Camacho: have  to,  it's  a  non- negotiable  for  me  to  take 

691
00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:51,540
Sof Camacho: this  win  as  the  only  trans  person  here.  And  my 

692
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:54,060
Sof Camacho: girlfriend  is  here,  so  I  can't  embarrass  myself  like  that 

693
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:56,370
Sof Camacho: either."  But,  yeah.

694
00:41:57,390 --> 00:42:00,330
Becs Gentry: Oh,  my  gosh.  Well,  you  cruised  through  that  day  and 

695
00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:03,870
Becs Gentry: it  was  another  honor  to  run  a  course  with  you 

696
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,160
Becs Gentry: and  following  your  dust  again, but  I  love  this.
 All  right, 

697
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,170
Becs Gentry: let's  talk  about  what's  coming  up.  You've  got  the  Marathon 

698
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:13,350
Becs Gentry: Project  in  Arizona  in  December.  Oh,  my  gosh.

699
00:42:13,350 --> 00:42:13,351
Sof Camacho: I do.

700
00:42:13,351 --> 00:42:17,520
Becs Gentry: You do.  Okay,  it's  a  flat  course,  which  is  a  great 

701
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,170
Becs Gentry: thing.  It's  different  to  New  York  or  Valencia,  which  you 

702
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:27,630
Becs Gentry: excelled  in  last  year.  You've  got  paces,  it's  loops,  verging 

703
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:29,820
Becs Gentry: on  what  we  may  say  is  similar  to  kind  of a 

704
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,700
Becs Gentry: time  trial  for  elite  runners.  Feel  free  to  not  share 

705
00:42:35,730 --> 00:42:37,470
Becs Gentry: because  I  know  what  it's  like  when  people  are  like, "

706
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:40,529
Becs Gentry: What's  your  time  goal?"  You're  like, "I don't want to tell you I'm  the  only  person  who's 

707
00:42:40,530 --> 00:42:43,560
Becs Gentry: allowed  to  know  that.  That's  generally  me,"  if  you  have 

708
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Becs Gentry: a  time  goal  or  strategy  going  into  this  super  cool  event.

709
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,570
Sof Camacho: Yeah,  I  do.  I  have  a  goal.  Again,  I  used 

710
00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:53,700
Sof Camacho: to  be  that  way  where  I  couldn't...  To  each  their 

711
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:58,080
Sof Camacho: own  about  communicating  those  things.  But  again,  I'm  trying  to 

712
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,230
Sof Camacho: just  keep  it  fun  and  see  running  as  it  adds 

713
00:43:01,230 --> 00:43:03,810
Sof Camacho: to  my  life.  So,  it  is  very  serious  for  me, 

714
00:43:03,810 --> 00:43:07,620
Sof Camacho: but  it's  also  not  that  serious.  We're  saying, " Ready,  set, 

715
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:10,140
Sof Camacho: go,"  and  moving  as  fast  as  we  can  from  point 

716
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:11,640
Sof Camacho: A  to  point  B,  it's  not  that  serious.

717
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,331
Becs Gentry: Awesome.  Quote  that,  please.  I  need  that  on  a  T- shirt.

718
00:43:15,331 --> 00:43:19,259
Sof Camacho: It's not that  serious,  don't  worry.  But  at  the  same time,  it  can 

719
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:22,020
Sof Camacho: be,  but  it's  just  fun.  So,  my  time  goal  is 

720
00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:27,540
Sof Camacho: just  to  stick  maybe  near  the  2: 25  time.  I 

721
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:29,850
Sof Camacho: have  a  2: 29  under  my  belt,  so  I'd  like 

722
00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:33,210
Sof Camacho: to  remind  myself  that  I  ran  that  four  weeks  after 

723
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:37,560
Sof Camacho: New  York.  I  don't  easily  recover  from  marathons  as  much 

724
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,750
Sof Camacho: as  I'd  like,  so  I'm  hoping  that,  on  fresher  legs, 

725
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,140
Sof Camacho: I'm  able  to  do  that  or  at  least  be  closer 

726
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:49,590
Sof Camacho: to  that.  So,  it's  definitely  just  a  PR,  but  again 

727
00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:53,219
Sof Camacho: stick  closer  to  the  2: 25- ish  range.

728
00:43:53,219 --> 00:43:55,950
Becs Gentry: All  right.  I  like  that 2: 25.

729
00:43:57,030 --> 00:44:00,629
Sof Camacho: Floating  somewhere  there,  I'd  like  that  at,  least  under  2:

730
00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:03,210
Sof Camacho: 30.  Just  to  have  another  one under  my  belt,  I  would 

731
00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:10,410
Sof Camacho: like...  Yeah,  I'm  nervous  because  ignorance  is  bliss  for  me 

732
00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:12,870
Sof Camacho: when  it  comes  to  running  now.  And  to  keep  it 

733
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:14,850
Sof Camacho: fun,  the  only  way  I'm  able  to  do  that  is 

734
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:17,580
Sof Camacho: the  less  I  know,  the  ready  I  am  to  just 

735
00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:22,890
Sof Camacho: figure  it  out.  But  for  this  race,  it  feels  more 

736
00:44:23,219 --> 00:44:27,480
Sof Camacho: real  and  a  little  more  pro.
 I  ran  the  women's 

737
00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:30,960
Sof Camacho: pro  division  in  Valencia,  but  that  just  meant  starting  at 

738
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,900
Sof Camacho: the  front  the  way  you  would  for  a  New  York 

739
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:37,770
Sof Camacho: Road  Runners  race  where  it's  like  wave  AA,  where  it's 

740
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:44,280
Sof Camacho: kind  of  mixed  gender  and  you  just  go.  I  think 

741
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:48,060
Sof Camacho: the  difference  between  those  races  in  this  is,  in  New 

742
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,489
Sof Camacho: York,  I  kind  of  just...  You  go  for  the  water 

743
00:44:50,489 --> 00:44:53,700
Sof Camacho: cups  and  I  had  my  fuel  in  my  pocket  and 

744
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:56,070
Sof Camacho: I  would  just  pull  it  out and  I  didn't  overthink  anything and 

745
00:44:56,070 --> 00:44:58,410
Sof Camacho: I  was  like, " Okay,  Gatorade?" " Yep,  I  got  it,"  or, "

746
00:44:58,469 --> 00:45:01,140
Sof Camacho: Water?"  because  I  missed  the  Gatorade, " All  right,  yep,  take 

747
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:05,100
Sof Camacho: it."  But  this  time,  we  have  our  bottles.  I  don't 

748
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:07,290
Sof Camacho: even  know  what  to  put  in  that.  What  do  people 

749
00:45:07,290 --> 00:45:09,989
Sof Camacho: put...  I  don't  know.  I'm  trying  to  just  keep  it  like, "

750
00:45:09,989 --> 00:45:13,002
Sof Camacho: Don't  overthink  it.  If  it's Gatorade,  it's  Gatorade,  just  (inaudible) -"

751
00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:16,170
Becs Gentry: If  it's  a  hydration  sachet,  whatever,  something  you  like  that's 

752
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:17,040
Becs Gentry: going  to  make  you  feel  good.

753
00:45:17,310 --> 00:45:21,150
Sof Camacho: Yeah.  It's  easier  to  overthink  these  races  where  it's  like, "

754
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:25,469
Sof Camacho: It's  only  pros  or  it's  only..."  Even  lining  up  for 

755
00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:29,610
Sof Camacho: Valencia,  I  turned  to  my  right  and  I  see  Alice 

756
00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:34,650
Sof Camacho: Wright,  who  I'd  been  following  since  high  school  when  again 

757
00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:37,529
Sof Camacho: I  was  told  that  I  shouldn't  even  look  into  college 

758
00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:40,469
Sof Camacho: running.  I  would  follow  this  girl  and  look  up  to 

759
00:45:40,469 --> 00:45:43,890
Sof Camacho: her  as  a  runner  and  look  her  up  on  YouTube 

760
00:45:43,890 --> 00:45:47,670
Sof Camacho: and I would  just  watch  all  the  Workout  Wednesday  videos  of  her. 

761
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,100
Sof Camacho: So,  I  look  and  I  see  her  at  the  start 

762
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,170
Sof Camacho: and  I'm  like...  starstruck.

763
00:45:54,420 --> 00:45:56,520
Becs Gentry: Distraction,  it's  distraction  then.  That's  great.

764
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,399
Sof Camacho: Crazy.  Yeah,  and  then  we  ran  most  of  that  race 

765
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:05,010
Sof Camacho: together  also, and it was  just  me  pretending  that  I  wasn't  starstruck,  trying 

766
00:46:05,010 --> 00:46:07,469
Sof Camacho: really,  really  hard.  I  felt  the  same  actually  at  the 

767
00:46:07,469 --> 00:46:10,860
Sof Camacho: Bandit  Grand  Prix  when  Allie  Kieffer  was  there. I saw  the  name 

768
00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:13,469
Sof Camacho: and  I  said, " No  way,"  because  again  I  would  buy 

769
00:46:13,469 --> 00:46:18,270
Sof Camacho: Runner's  World  and  she  was in it and  I  would  follow  her  journey 

770
00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:22,530
Sof Camacho: with  mental  health  stuff  as  a  little  kid  that  just 

771
00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:27,780
Sof Camacho: wasn't  a  faster  runner.  So,  just  being  in  these  spaces 

772
00:46:27,780 --> 00:46:31,950
Sof Camacho: where  I'm  constantly  starstruck,  it's  crazy,  and  I  feel  that 

773
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:34,350
Sof Camacho: way  about  this  marathon  too.  So,  I'm  trying  to  just 

774
00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:37,110
Sof Camacho: take  deep  breaths  and  be  a  little  less  nervous  because 

775
00:46:37,110 --> 00:46:41,010
Sof Camacho: I  feel  myself  getting  extra  nervous  for  this  race,  but 

776
00:46:41,010 --> 00:46:42,420
Sof Camacho: I'm  nervous  for  every  race  anyway.

777
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,591
Becs Gentry: Because  it  matters,  right?

778
00:46:43,591 --> 00:46:46,050
Sof Camacho: I'll figure  it  out.  But  at  the  start  line,  I'm  vibrating 

779
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,160
Sof Camacho: even  if...  We'll  take  it  with  stride.  But  yeah,  that's 

780
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:50,790
Sof Camacho: the  goal  for  now.

781
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,210
Becs Gentry: I'm  very  excited  for  these  goals  for  you. I can't  wait  to watch you. I'm going to 

782
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,500
Becs Gentry: be  tuning  in,  screaming  at  my  phone  or  laptop  or 

783
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:03,390
Becs Gentry: TV  or  wherever  I  can  stream  it.
 All  right,  the 

784
00:47:03,390 --> 00:47:05,190
Becs Gentry: last  couple  of  questions,  I  just  want  to  talk  a 

785
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:09,569
Becs Gentry: little  bit  more  about  community  activism,  your  personal  outlook  and 

786
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:15,840
Becs Gentry: future  for  all  of  the  younger  non- binary  queer  youths 

787
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,180
Becs Gentry: out  there  who  are  looking  perhaps  to  you  or  looking 

788
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:26,310
Becs Gentry: at  the  arenas  that  you  function  so  highly  in,  athletics, 

789
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:29,339
Becs Gentry: art.  Have  you  got  any  advice  that  you'd  like  to 

790
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:30,029
Becs Gentry: give  to  them?

791
00:47:30,510 --> 00:47:36,570
Sof Camacho: Yeah.  I  think  my  main  piece  of  advice  is  everything 

792
00:47:36,570 --> 00:47:39,540
Sof Camacho: that  you  do,  do it  your  own  way.  If  you  play 

793
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:42,960
Sof Camacho: a  sport,  do it  your  own  way.  If  you're  part  of 

794
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,600
Sof Camacho: a  friend  group,  be  your  own  kind  of  friend.  Even 

795
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,379
Sof Camacho: if  you  do  drag,  do it  your  own  way  because  the 

796
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:56,310
Sof Camacho: drag  world  is  very  saturated  with  a  lot  of  male 

797
00:47:56,310 --> 00:48:01,200
Sof Camacho: drag  queens  and  I  am  assigned  female  at  birth  person 

798
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,850
Sof Camacho: that  is  trans  and  an  alternative  drag  performer.  So,  even 

799
00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:08,700
Sof Camacho: then,  I  don't  often  fit  in  the  spaces  I'm  in. 

800
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:14,040
Sof Camacho: And  also,  just  find  your  people  I  think  is  huge. 

801
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:18,510
Sof Camacho: I  always  underestimated  the  power  of  having  people  that  love 

802
00:48:18,510 --> 00:48:21,810
Sof Camacho: you  for  who  you  are.  It's  so  cheesy,  but  it's 

803
00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:25,410
Sof Camacho: so  true.  And  just  being  in  a  trans  relationship  for 

804
00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:30,180
Sof Camacho: me  has  helped  me  so  much  because  my  girlfriend  is 

805
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:33,029
Sof Camacho: also  a  drag  and  burlesque  performer  and,  as  a  burlesque 

806
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:37,200
Sof Camacho: performer,  she's  often  the  only  trans  person  in  bigger  burlesque 

807
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,180
Sof Camacho: shows,  just  as  I  tend  to  be  the  only  trans 

808
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:44,880
Sof Camacho: person on  bigger  start  lines.  So,  having  someone  that  can  relate 

809
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,340
Sof Camacho: to  that  is  huge.
 Having  my  nightlife  family,  my  chosen 

810
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:53,820
Sof Camacho: family,  we're  all  trans.  Yeah,  I  have  a  trans  dad, 

811
00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:57,660
Sof Camacho: I  have  a  trans  mom  in  nightlife.  What  that  means 

812
00:48:57,660 --> 00:48:59,640
Sof Camacho: is  basically  that  these  are  the  people  that  I  can 

813
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,920
Sof Camacho: go  to,  people  that  can  come  to  me.  If  something 

814
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,440
Sof Camacho: were  to  happen  to  me,  knock  on  wood,  those  are 

815
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,980
Sof Camacho: the  people  that  I  would  call,  my  nightlife  family  that 

816
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,870
Sof Camacho: are  chosen.  And  it's  because  trans  or  not,  I  love 

817
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:20,820
Sof Camacho: them,  they  love  me.  I  don't  have  to  do  things 

818
00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:23,400
Sof Camacho: a  certain  way  to  be  loved  I  think  is  something 

819
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,130
Sof Camacho: that  I  learned  through  them.  So,  I  owe  it  to 

820
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:31,410
Sof Camacho: my  chosen  family  and  my  girlfriend  to  be  able  to 

821
00:49:31,410 --> 00:49:36,360
Sof Camacho: do  this  running  thing,  quote,  unquote, " successfully"  because  success  is 

822
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,750
Sof Camacho: also  relative,  but  I  guess  on  paper,  and  same  with 

823
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:42,330
Sof Camacho: drag.
 So,  just  to  do it  your  own  way  for  real, 

824
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:45,450
Sof Camacho: for  real.  Because  if  you  think  there  isn't  a  way 

825
00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:47,489
Sof Camacho: to  do  something,  I  promise  there  is.  If  you  love 

826
00:49:47,489 --> 00:49:51,719
Sof Camacho: something  enough,  you  will  figure  it  out.  People  will  tell 

827
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,500
Sof Camacho: you  that  it's  not  possible  or  it  doesn't  make  sense. 

828
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:59,100
Sof Camacho: Show  them.  Do  it,  not  to  be, " Just  do  it," 

829
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,770
Sof Camacho: but  it's  so  true.  Just  do  it.  Figure  it  out. 

830
00:50:02,310 --> 00:50:03,870
Sof Camacho: Well,  just  figure  it  out.  Yeah.

831
00:50:04,290 --> 00:50:09,330
Becs Gentry: Wow,  perfect,  perfect  advice.  Okay,  final  question.  If  there  was 

832
00:50:09,330 --> 00:50:14,400
Becs Gentry: one  thing  that  you  want  people  to  remember  about  Sof  and/

833
00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:17,160
Becs Gentry: or Xana Whoria,  what  would  it  be?

834
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:25,589
Sof Camacho: Ooh.  I  guess  that,  again  cheesy,  you  can  do  anything, 

835
00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:27,719
Sof Camacho: and  you  can  also  be  trans  and  do  anything  because 

836
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,660
Sof Camacho: I  know,  right  now,  it's  very  hard  and  I struggle  with 

837
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:34,020
Sof Camacho: this  where  I...  There  are  days  where  I  don't  do 

838
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:36,570
Sof Camacho: anything  because  I'm  like, " Oh,  my  God,  it's  so  scary 

839
00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:40,290
Sof Camacho: to  be  trans  right  now."  Not  only  that,  but  everyone 

840
00:50:40,290 --> 00:50:43,260
Sof Camacho: I  love  is  trans,  and  so  it's  very  real  in 

841
00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:48,270
Sof Camacho: my  world  and  in  our  world.  So,  to  have  to 

842
00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:50,430
Sof Camacho: wake  up  and  go  to  jobs  where  no  one  is 

843
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:54,210
Sof Camacho: trans  around  me  and  people  don't  understand  the  gravity  of 

844
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,380
Sof Camacho: our  safety,  especially  as  a  trans  person  of  color,  it's 

845
00:50:58,380 --> 00:51:04,770
Sof Camacho: just  like  feels  surreal.  So,  you  can  be  trans  and 

846
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:11,130
Sof Camacho: do  anything.  I  just  want  to,  I  guess,  follow  my 

847
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:14,250
Sof Camacho: dreams  in  a  way  where  other  trans  people  can  be  like, "

848
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:17,940
Sof Camacho: This  is  a  person  that  figured  it  out,  and  I 

849
00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:20,580
Sof Camacho: will  also  figure  it  out."  Because  if  anyone  is  resilient, 

850
00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:23,790
Sof Camacho: I  promise  you  it's  trans  people  are  some  of  the 

851
00:51:23,790 --> 00:51:27,900
Sof Camacho: most  resilient  people  you'll  ever  meet.  Yeah,  the  last  thing 

852
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,960
Sof Camacho: I  want  people  to  remember  is  protect  trans  women,  always, 

853
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:32,070
Sof Camacho: always,  always.

854
00:51:32,250 --> 00:51:35,550
Becs Gentry: Yes,  yes.  Louder  for  the  people  at  the  back,  louder 

855
00:51:35,610 --> 00:51:39,839
Becs Gentry: for the  people  who  don't  want  to  hear.  Sof,  it  is 

856
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,890
Becs Gentry: always  an  honor  to  see  you,  to  talk  to  you, 

857
00:51:43,890 --> 00:51:47,489
Becs Gentry: and  it's  such  an  honor  to  toe  all  the  lines 

858
00:51:47,489 --> 00:51:51,718
Becs Gentry: with  you.  I  wish  you  the  most  incredible  run  in 

859
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,140
Becs Gentry: Arizona  and the  training  leading  up  to  it.  I  know  you've 

860
00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:57,870
Becs Gentry: got  tons  of  athletes  who  are  going  to  be  heading 

861
00:51:57,870 --> 00:52:02,040
Becs Gentry: into  the  TCS  New York City  Marathon  this  year  and  I'm  sure 

862
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,890
Becs Gentry: all  the  other  four  majors  that  are  about  to  kick 

863
00:52:04,890 --> 00:52:08,009
Becs Gentry: off.  So,  thank  you  for  all  you do for  the  running  community, 

864
00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:12,900
Becs Gentry: for  the  trans  community,  and  for  just  general  humanity.  So, 

865
00:52:12,930 --> 00:52:14,610
Becs Gentry: keep  shining  bright,  my  friend.

866
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:16,650
Sof Camacho: Thank  you  for  talking  to  me.  I  know  you're  a 

867
00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:18,750
Sof Camacho: mom  and  I  know  you're  baby's  in  great  hands,  so 

868
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:20,819
Sof Camacho: it  seems  a  lot  to  speak  to  you.  Thank  you 

869
00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:22,110
Sof Camacho: so  much.  Thanks  for  having  me.

870
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:27,870
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871
00:52:27,870 --> 00:52:31,890
Speaker 3: friendly  walks  to  advanced  interval  runs,  Peloton's  classes  are  designed 

872
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,710
Speaker 3: to  meet  you  where  you  are  and  help  you  get 

873
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 3: where  you  want  to  go.  Whether  you're  preparing  for  a 

874
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875
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876
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877
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878
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Speaker 3: official  partner  of the 2025  TCS  New  York  City  Marathon.

879
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,770
Becs Gentry: Jen  Curtis's  running  story  spans  big  city  marathons  and  long-

880
00:53:01,770 --> 00:53:06,270
Becs Gentry: distance  adventures,  from  asphalt  races  to  multi- day  ultra  events. 

881
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:10,860
Becs Gentry: She's  run  24  marathons.  And  then,  earlier  this  year,  she 

882
00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:14,759
Becs Gentry: took  on  the  Speed  Project,  a  300- mile  race  from 

883
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,540
Becs Gentry: Los  Angeles  to  Las  Vegas.  Off  the  race  course,  Jen 

884
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:22,890
Becs Gentry: supports  mental  health  awareness  through  her  family's  nonprofit  4TeamBrock.  Where 

885
00:53:22,890 --> 00:53:25,980
Becs Gentry: her  next  challenge  is is  a  24- hour  run/ walk  in 

886
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:29,310
Becs Gentry: her  hometown  of  Buffalo.  Today,  she  joins  us  to  talk 

887
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:32,640
Becs Gentry: about  the  miles,  the  meaning,  and  what  keeps  her  coming  back.

888
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:35,820
Meb Keflezighi: Jen,  welcome  to  Set  the  Pace  podcast.  How's  it  going  today?

889
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:38,700
Jen Curtis: It's  going  great.  Pleasure  to  be  here.  Thank  you.

890
00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:41,279
Meb Keflezighi: Thanks  for  joining  us.  So,  let's  get  to  it.  When 

891
00:53:41,279 --> 00:53:44,460
Meb Keflezighi: you  move  back  to  New  York  in  2016,  why  was 

892
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:47,520
Meb Keflezighi: the  signing  up  for  the  NYRR  races  one  of  the 

893
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,930
Meb Keflezighi: first  things  on  your  list?

894
00:53:50,219 --> 00:53:55,020
Jen Curtis: It  was  a  dream  of  mine  to  always  run  New 

895
00:53:55,020 --> 00:53:57,840
Jen Curtis: York  City  Marathon.  As  soon  as  I  made  plans  to 

896
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,060
Jen Curtis: move  back  to  New  York,  I  was  like, " I'm  going 

897
00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:04,710
Jen Curtis: to  run  the  marathon,"  became  a  member  of  NYRR,  did 

898
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:09,930
Jen Curtis: the 9+1  and  was  able  to  run  it  in  2017.  I've 

899
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:13,830
Jen Curtis: lived  in  New  York  ever  since.  Definitely,  I  was  able 

900
00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:15,630
Jen Curtis: to  achieve  one  of  those  dreams.

901
00:54:15,989 --> 00:54:19,469
Meb Keflezighi: So,  you  have  run  24  marathons.  Do  you  remember  what 

902
00:54:19,469 --> 00:54:21,750
Meb Keflezighi: it  felt  like  when  you  lined  up  for  the  first  time?

903
00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:27,300
Jen Curtis: I  do.  It  was  in  Rome.  It  was  when  I 

904
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:31,770
Jen Curtis: was  in  grad  school  in  Italy.  I  did  not  prepare. 

905
00:54:32,430 --> 00:54:35,910
Jen Curtis: I  ran  a  half  marathon  before  in  Paris  when  I 

906
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:41,580
Jen Curtis: studied  abroad  there,  but  I  was  young,  I  was  22, 

907
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:47,460
Jen Curtis: I  think,  or  23.  Sometimes,  it's  one  of  the  best 

908
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:50,730
Jen Curtis: ways  to  try  something  new  is  you  just  kind  of 

909
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:54,149
Jen Curtis: go  in  blind.  I  don't  recommend  it  for  everybody.  But 

910
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:56,879
Jen Curtis: for  me,  just  finishing  was  the  goal,  and  I  ended 

911
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,000
Jen Curtis: up  doing  that.  It's  a  hard  race.  You're  on  cobblestones 

912
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,600
Jen Curtis: for  some  of  it,  but  I  think  I  just  knew 

913
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,400
Jen Curtis: this  was  going  to  be  hard  and  I  ended  up 

914
00:55:12,510 --> 00:55:14,580
Jen Curtis: being  able  to  do  that  hard  thing.

915
00:55:14,759 --> 00:55:16,830
Meb Keflezighi: It is  a  hard  thing.  I  did  my  first  one  at 

916
00:55:16,830 --> 00:55:19,560
Meb Keflezighi: the  TCS  New  York  City  Marathon  2002.  I  said, " Never 

917
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,520
Meb Keflezighi: again,"  but  the  feeling  somehow  you  come  back  and  keep 

918
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,900
Meb Keflezighi: doing  it. You've done 24, I've done  26,  but  there's  always  a  motivation.  Your  brother 

919
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:30,660
Meb Keflezighi: has  been  an  inspiration  for  you  ultra  running.  Can  you 

920
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:34,350
Meb Keflezighi: share  what  he  means  on  your  running  journey  and  how 

921
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:36,840
Meb Keflezighi: his  story  drives  you  in  those  long  races?

922
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,450
Jen Curtis: Yeah,  happy  to,  always  happy  to  talk  about  my  brother. 

923
00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:45,420
Jen Curtis: My  brother  Brock,  younger  by  six  years,  he  tragically  passed 

924
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,129
Jen Curtis: due  to  struggles  with  his  mental  health,  and  that  was 

925
00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:53,820
Jen Curtis: now  five  years  ago.  Before  he  passed,  I  was  able 

926
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:58,110
Jen Curtis: to  run  a  virtual  marathon  with  him,  his  first,  in 

927
00:55:58,110 --> 00:56:02,069
Jen Curtis: our  neighborhood  in  Buffalo,  and  it  was  something  I  always 

928
00:56:02,310 --> 00:56:05,520
Jen Curtis: cherish  and  think  about  a  lot,  so  he  is  always 

929
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,140
Jen Curtis: part  of  my  runs.  He  was  an  athlete.  So,  through 

930
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:15,989
Jen Curtis: our  nonprofit  4TeamBrock,  it's  to  promote  mental  health,  and  a 

931
00:56:15,989 --> 00:56:21,180
Jen Curtis: big  part  of  that  is  movement.  When  I  run...  Marathons 

932
00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:24,900
Jen Curtis: are  now  newly  ultras.  It's  always  connecting  that  to  the 

933
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:28,529
Jen Curtis: why  and  I  think,  when  you  talk  about  mental  health, 

934
00:56:28,530 --> 00:56:32,040
Jen Curtis: it  always  helps  somebody,  even if  it  helps  one  person.  To 

935
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,780
Jen Curtis: think  about  what  resources  you  might  want  to  take  advantage 

936
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:41,430
Jen Curtis: of  or  just  having  a  conversation,  it  helps  move  that 

937
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:42,089
Jen Curtis: mission  forward.

938
00:56:43,110 --> 00:56:45,900
Meb Keflezighi: Pretty  incredible,  and  I  think  he'd  be  smiling  down  and 

939
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:49,589
Meb Keflezighi: then  remember  him  on  all  those  ultra  marathons  or  marathons. 

940
00:56:49,830 --> 00:56:54,719
Meb Keflezighi: So,  ultras  and  marathon  demand  a  very  different  mental  approach. 

941
00:56:54,989 --> 00:56:58,200
Meb Keflezighi: How  does  your  mindset  change  when  you  are  running for  24 

942
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,680
Meb Keflezighi: hours  and  more  compared  to  a  single  morning  in  the  marathon?

943
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:09,060
Jen Curtis: Yeah,  I  think  long  distance  is  very  freeing.  I  did 

944
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:12,210
Jen Curtis: the  1- mile  BKLYN  MILE  a  couple  weeks  ago  and 

945
00:57:12,210 --> 00:57:17,040
Jen Curtis: I've  done  the 5th Ave  Mile  that  NYRR  does,  and  that's  stressful. 

946
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:22,320
Jen Curtis: It's  fast.  A  lot of  people  are  watching.  But  the  longer 

947
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,410
Jen Curtis: time  on  feet,  a  way  I  like  to  look  at 

948
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:28,860
Jen Curtis: it,  it's  of  course  challenging.  You  have  to  have  a 

949
00:57:28,860 --> 00:57:32,370
Jen Curtis: lot  of  mental  stamina  to  get  through  those  long  days. 

950
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:35,220
Jen Curtis: But  when  I  did  the  Speed  Project,  I  pretty  much 

951
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:37,380
Jen Curtis: did  50  miles  a  day  for  five  and  a  half 

952
00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:40,920
Jen Curtis: days,  and  every  day  was  a  new  day.
 I  know 

953
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:44,970
Jen Curtis: you  talk  a  lot  about  not  resting  on  your  laurels. 

954
00:57:45,630 --> 00:57:50,400
Jen Curtis: I  love  this  quote  Phil  Jackson  says.  It's, " Success  is 

955
00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:53,430
Jen Curtis: only  in  the  moment  that  you  achieve  it.  You  have 

956
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:57,209
Jen Curtis: to  do  it  again."  So,  when  I  did  those  50 

957
00:57:57,210 --> 00:57:59,670
Jen Curtis: miles  a  day,  I  never  thought  about  the  day  before. 

958
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,000
Jen Curtis: I  always  was  in  the  moment, " This  is  what  I 

959
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,340
Jen Curtis: need  to  do. This is what  I  need  to  accomplish,"  and  I  think 

960
00:58:05,340 --> 00:58:08,370
Jen Curtis: that  really  helps  mentally  when  you  have  these  long  miles. 

961
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,880
Jen Curtis: It's  like  just  being  in  the  moment.  Think  about  the 

962
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,260
Jen Curtis: next  snack  break.  I  think  a  lot  about  lunch  like, "

963
00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:18,660
Jen Curtis: What  am  I  going  to  eat?" The  longer  you  run,  the 

964
00:58:18,660 --> 00:58:21,960
Jen Curtis: more  fuel  you'll  need  and  that's,  to  me,  very...  it 

965
00:58:22,290 --> 00:58:23,040
Jen Curtis: motivates  me.

966
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:26,460
Meb Keflezighi: I  think  probably  running  ultras,  you  will  have  an  appetite. 

967
00:58:26,460 --> 00:58:29,400
Meb Keflezighi: But  for  me,  mind  over  body  at  the  same  time. 

968
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,070
Meb Keflezighi: You  got  to  forget  what  has  happened  and  then  focus 

969
00:58:32,070 --> 00:58:35,040
Meb Keflezighi: on  what's  ahead  and  be  in  the  moment.
 When  you're 

970
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,630
Meb Keflezighi: getting  ready  for a Javelina  Jundred,  what  drives  you  to  try  100-

971
00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:43,320
Meb Keflezighi: mile  race  and  what's  your  training  like  for  something  that  long?

972
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,650
Jen Curtis: Yeah,  Javelina  I  think  is  going  to  be  the  hardest 

973
00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:48,360
Jen Curtis: thing  I  have  done.  I  think  it's  going  to  be 

974
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,950
Jen Curtis: harder  than  the  Speed  Project  because,  when  I  did  the 

975
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:55,320
Jen Curtis: Speed  Project,  I  got  to  sleep  for  five  hours  every 

976
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,210
Jen Curtis: night.  Javelina,  100,  which  is  in  Arizona,  it's  going  to 

977
00:59:00,210 --> 00:59:03,780
Jen Curtis: be  24  hours  of  running  and  it's  in  a  lot 

978
00:59:03,780 --> 00:59:12,120
Jen Curtis: of  heat.  It's  actually  five  loops  of  20  miles  each 

979
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:14,820
Jen Curtis: and  it's  going  to  be  thinking  about  it  one  lap 

980
00:59:14,970 --> 00:59:22,260
Jen Curtis: at  a  time  and...  Yeah,  I  think it's going to  be  a  good 

981
00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:24,660
Jen Curtis: test  for  me  too  to  see,  if  I  like  it, 

982
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,330
Jen Curtis: then  I  might  continue  this  route.  If  it  doesn't  go 

983
00:59:27,330 --> 00:59:29,760
Jen Curtis: well  and  I  hate  it,  I  might  have  to  stick 

984
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,920
Jen Curtis: to  my  bougie  asphalt  marathons,  but  I'm  going  to  at 

985
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:35,250
Jen Curtis: least  try.

986
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,710
Meb Keflezighi: You're  going  to  try  and  you're  going  to  do  great. 

987
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,720
Meb Keflezighi: You  do  great  work  on  the  course  on  the asphalt or after the  course 

988
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,340
Meb Keflezighi: as  well.  As  your  family  nonprofit  4TeamBrock  work  to  support 

989
00:59:47,340 --> 00:59:51,210
Meb Keflezighi: people  with  the  mental  health  or  mental  illness,  how  does 

990
00:59:51,210 --> 00:59:54,390
Meb Keflezighi: upcoming  24- hour  run/ walk  connect  to  that  mission?

991
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:57,900
Jen Curtis: Yeah,  I'm  really  excited  for  it.  My  mom's  hosting  it. 

992
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:02,160
Jen Curtis: It's  going  to be  in  our  local  high  school,  Clarence,  New 

993
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,180
Jen Curtis: York,  where  I  went,  where  Brock  went,  where  my  other 

994
01:00:06,180 --> 01:00:11,100
Jen Curtis: two  siblings  all  attended.  I  do  plan  to  run/ walk 

995
01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:13,410
Jen Curtis: the  entire  thing.  It's going  to  be  great  training  for  Javelina. 

996
01:00:13,650 --> 01:00:18,300
Jen Curtis: However,  people  are  invited  to  come  to  walk  a  mile. 

997
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,790
Jen Curtis: There  are  going  to  be  resources  for  mental  health.  There'll 

998
01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:25,560
Jen Curtis: be  games,  there'll  be  yoga,  food,  all  sorts  of  things, 

999
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,960
Jen Curtis: and  there  is  a  virtual  opportunity  too  for  people  who 

1000
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,600
Jen Curtis: aren't  based  in  Buffalo.  I  have  a  lot  of  friends 

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,890
Jen Curtis: here  in  New  York  who  plan  to  attend  virtually.
 It's 

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Jen Curtis: about  awareness.  We  partner  a  lot  with  NAMI,  which  I 

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01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:43,140
Jen Curtis: know  NYRR  does  too,  National  Alliance  on  Mental  Illness.  And 

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01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:46,080
Jen Curtis: what's  important  too is  it's  at  a  high  school  and  that's 

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Jen Curtis: where  a  lot  of  mental  health  issues  take  place  for 

1006
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:51,000
Jen Curtis: the  first  time.  And  then,  also  you,  can  learn  this 

1007
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,570
Jen Curtis: information.  Then,  it  can  carry  with  you  in  college,  which 

1008
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,050
Jen Curtis: there's  even  more  issues  start  coming  up  when  you're  in 

1009
01:00:58,050 --> 01:01:01,890
Jen Curtis: your  20  to  24  age  group.  It's  a  way  to 

1010
01:01:02,190 --> 01:01:05,640
Jen Curtis: bring  community  together,  promote  mental  health,  and  get  some  miles  in.

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Meb Keflezighi: Nicely  done,  Jen.  Thanks  for  being  with  us and as you... As I said earlier, it's  all  about 

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Meb Keflezighi: movement,  whether  it's  1  mile  or  100  miles  and  having 

1013
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Meb Keflezighi: a  cause.  Definitely,  4TeamBrock,  you  got  that  going  and  your 

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01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:21,630
Meb Keflezighi: family.  So,  great  job  and  congratulations  and  good  luck.

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Becs Gentry: Thank  you  for  joining  us,  Jen,  and  being  a  member 

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Becs Gentry: of  New  York  Road  Runners.
 Now, to  the  final  part  of 

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Becs Gentry: the  show, our  Meb  Minute,  with  a  special  TCS  New  York 

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01:01:31,140 --> 01:01:33,630
Becs Gentry: City  Marathon  by  the  miles  mental  health  check- in.

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Meb Keflezighi: Hey,  everyone.  It's  Meb  Minute,  Mental  Health  During  Marathon  Training. 

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Meb Keflezighi: If  you  have  been  following  along  the  mile  by  mile 

1021
01:01:44,970 --> 01:01:49,290
Meb Keflezighi: countdown  to the 2025  TCS  New  York  City  Marathon,  you  know  that 

1022
01:01:49,290 --> 01:01:52,530
Meb Keflezighi: last  week  we  made  the  past  halfway  point,  so  I 

1023
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:54,630
Meb Keflezighi: thought  this  would  be a  good  time to  take  a  break  and 

1024
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:59,100
Meb Keflezighi: focus  on  mental  strength  while  training  for  26. 2  miles.


1025
01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:03,570
Meb Keflezighi: Running  is  hard.  Marathon  is  extremely  hard.  But  what  you 

1026
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Meb Keflezighi: can  control,  things  as  mental  is...  90%  is  physical,  10% 

1027
01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:11,610
Meb Keflezighi: mental  and  training.  But  on  race  day,  it's  going  to 

1028
01:02:11,610 --> 01:02:14,160
Meb Keflezighi: switch.  What  I  would  like  for  you  to  do  at 

1029
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,280
Meb Keflezighi: this  point  is  to  visualize  the  success  that  you  want 

1030
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,310
Meb Keflezighi: to  achieve.  Think  about  the  finish  line.  Even  though  only 

1031
01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:24,030
Meb Keflezighi: you're  running  13, 15- miles  run,  you  got  to  put  yourself 

1032
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Meb Keflezighi: on  the  New  York  City  Marathon  course.  You  have  to 

1033
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Meb Keflezighi: be  able  to  just  work  hard,  choose  the  right  challenges.


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Meb Keflezighi: At  this  point,  what  are  your  goals?  What  are  those 

1035
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:37,860
Meb Keflezighi: meaning  for  the  ABC?  For  me,  it  was  to  win. 

1036
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Meb Keflezighi: For  you, it  might  be  personal  best.  Sometimes,  things  don't  always 

1037
01:02:41,490 --> 01:02:45,060
Meb Keflezighi: go  your  way,  but  keep  a  journal.  Set  your  goals 

1038
01:02:45,570 --> 01:02:48,240
Meb Keflezighi: and  be  able  to  write  them  down,  whether  it's  goals, 

1039
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Meb Keflezighi: running  goals,  or  your  mental  toughness  that's  going  on.  When 

1040
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Meb Keflezighi: you  do  that,  it  helps  to  put it  in  writing  and 

1041
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,300
Meb Keflezighi: helps you  set  new  goals,  but  also  do  the  small  things. 

1042
01:02:57,330 --> 01:03:02,370
Meb Keflezighi: You  got  to  do  your  weekly,  monthly,  and  couple  months 

1043
01:03:02,370 --> 01:03:04,350
Meb Keflezighi: of  the  finish  line  goals.  You have  to  set  those  goals. 

1044
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,530
Meb Keflezighi: Do  the  small  things  that  make  a  big  difference.  As long you can do 

1045
01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:10,620
Meb Keflezighi: that,  if  the  mind  is  right,  the  body's  right,  the 

1046
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:13,830
Meb Keflezighi: spirit  is  right,  and you're going to  do  amazing  things.  So,  keep  up 

1047
01:03:13,830 --> 01:03:18,180
Meb Keflezighi: the  good  work  no  matter  what  you  are  dealing  with. 

1048
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Meb Keflezighi: We  all  go  through  struggles  and  challenges.  Sometimes,  even  as 

1049
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Meb Keflezighi: Olympians,  we  do  struggles.
 If  you  do  all  the  preparation 

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Meb Keflezighi: right  now,  come  to the 2025  TCS  New York City  Marathon  on  November  2nd. 

1051
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:32,430
Meb Keflezighi: It's  like  a  graduation.  You're  going  to  be  celebrating  all  26.

1052
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Meb Keflezighi: 2  miles.  Now,  visualize  yourself  with  all  the  hard  work 

1053
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:39,420
Meb Keflezighi: mentally  and  then  spiritually  and  physically  on  race  day,  November 

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Meb Keflezighi: 2nd. It's going to  be  awesome.  Great  results.

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Becs Gentry: That  does  it  for  another  episode  of  Set  the  Pace. 

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Becs Gentry: Thank  you  to  all  of  today's  guests,  Sof  Camacho  and 

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Becs Gentry: Jen  Curtis.
 If  you  like  this  episode,  please  do  go 

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Becs Gentry: us,  but  it  helps  others  find  out  about  the  show 

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Becs Gentry: too.  Thanks  for  listening.  Take  care.