1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:04,740 Daniel Mata: There were three spotters on bikes. One of them says 2 00:00:04,740 --> 00:00:07,860 Daniel Mata: something like, " Oh, there they are," and then he takes 3 00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:10,860 Daniel Mata: off and starts biking near me for the entirety of 4 00:00:10,860 --> 00:00:14,220 Daniel Mata: the race. That's when I started thinking, oh, I think 5 00:00:14,220 --> 00:00:16,710 Daniel Mata: he might be riding with me because I'm near the 6 00:00:16,710 --> 00:00:19,799 Daniel Mata: top. So for the rest of the race, my goal was I'm going to 7 00:00:20,489 --> 00:00:23,610 Daniel Mata: try to stick as close to this bike as I 8 00:00:23,610 --> 00:00:26,189 Daniel Mata: can, so I do not get passed. 9 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:33,570 Becs Gentry: Welcome to Set The Pace, the official podcast of New 10 00:00:33,570 --> 00:00:37,620 Becs Gentry: York Roadrunners presented by Peloton. I'm your host and Peloton 11 00:00:37,620 --> 00:00:42,300 Becs Gentry: instructor, Becs Gentry. I'm hosting solo this week as Rob 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,650 Becs Gentry: is out of town. I think he deserves it. Let's 13 00:00:46,650 --> 00:00:50,460 Becs Gentry: be honest, friends, he has had one heck of a 14 00:00:50,460 --> 00:00:54,930 Becs Gentry: season. There are always races at New York Roadrunners most 15 00:00:54,930 --> 00:01:00,150 Becs Gentry: weekends, and this last weekend there wasn't one because we 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,630 Becs Gentry: didn't finish off the season, but I always feel like 17 00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:07,619 Becs Gentry: there's a little break after the epicness of the TCS 18 00:01:07,770 --> 00:01:11,670 Becs Gentry: New York City Marathon and boy, what a huge, huge 19 00:01:11,670 --> 00:01:13,980 Becs Gentry: event it was this year. I think we're all still 20 00:01:13,980 --> 00:01:19,500 Becs Gentry: reeling from the magnificence, the record- breaking numbers and all 21 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:23,760 Becs Gentry: of the incredible performances that we saw. So Rob's off 22 00:01:23,910 --> 00:01:26,610 Becs Gentry: having some time off and honestly, I also took some 23 00:01:26,610 --> 00:01:29,130 Becs Gentry: time off. It was very nice to get out of 24 00:01:29,130 --> 00:01:31,950 Becs Gentry: the city. Now don't get me wrong, I love having 25 00:01:32,459 --> 00:01:35,430 Becs Gentry: thousands and thousands and thousands of extra people here in 26 00:01:35,430 --> 00:01:37,980 Becs Gentry: New York City for the marathon, but it is also 27 00:01:38,310 --> 00:01:44,069 Becs Gentry: very soul rejuvenating to step away from the city after 28 00:01:44,069 --> 00:01:46,560 Becs Gentry: being surrounded by so many people, have some fresh air 29 00:01:47,010 --> 00:01:52,230 Becs Gentry: and reset. I think that's a really good moment to 30 00:01:52,350 --> 00:01:57,960 Becs Gentry: talk to all the runners out there of what happens 31 00:01:58,050 --> 00:02:02,130 Becs Gentry: after these big races, whether it was your personal best 32 00:02:02,130 --> 00:02:05,790 Becs Gentry: performance or it was your personal worst performance. Both of 33 00:02:05,790 --> 00:02:10,889 Becs Gentry: them come with different nuances after the race because sometimes 34 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:13,290 Becs Gentry: you want to ride the high, sometimes you're broken, and 35 00:02:13,380 --> 00:02:20,549 Becs Gentry: it is very, very stressful I think in today's world 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,350 Becs Gentry: of constant social media bombardment where you just see people 37 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:28,200 Becs Gentry: moving and running all the time. And if you haven't 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,100 Becs Gentry: perhaps moved or run, if that's your thing, when you 39 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:34,739 Becs Gentry: open your social media, you have a bit of guilt. 40 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:41,040 Becs Gentry: And I think after a marathon, after a huge achievement, 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,610 Becs Gentry: we need to step away, even from the social media 42 00:02:44,610 --> 00:02:47,880 Becs Gentry: side of things to just let our bodies recover the 43 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,900 Becs Gentry: way it needs to recover. You are the only person who knows 44 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:56,130 Becs Gentry: intrinsically how your body is feeling following a race. Listen 45 00:02:56,130 --> 00:02:59,700 Becs Gentry: to it, adhere to the signs. I'm not saying don't 46 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:01,830 Becs Gentry: move. I'm not saying pop on your couch and don't 47 00:03:01,830 --> 00:03:03,630 Becs Gentry: get up for three or four days. But listen, you 48 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:05,610 Becs Gentry: don't have to go and run. You can just go 49 00:03:05,610 --> 00:03:08,639 Becs Gentry: for a nice leisurely walk. You can borrow a friend's 50 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,740 Becs Gentry: dog if you don't have one. I've got two going 51 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:13,530 Becs Gentry: spare whenever you need. Take him for a walk, take 52 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:16,230 Becs Gentry: him for a stroll, move your body, get some yoga 53 00:03:16,230 --> 00:03:19,860 Becs Gentry: on, get some Pilates, some stretching, something a little different, 54 00:03:20,430 --> 00:03:23,730 Becs Gentry: and fill your cup up that way without that same 55 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:26,970 Becs Gentry: impact of running, for example, if that was your thing. 56 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:30,570 Becs Gentry: So I hope that you guys also have had some 57 00:03:30,570 --> 00:03:36,540 Becs Gentry: time off and just got to reset because the season 58 00:03:36,570 --> 00:03:39,150 Becs Gentry: isn't done. There are definitely still races to go. The 59 00:03:39,150 --> 00:03:40,980 Becs Gentry: weather is about to get colder here in New York. 60 00:03:40,980 --> 00:03:44,340 Becs Gentry: We are having a very, very cold day today, which 61 00:03:44,340 --> 00:03:46,110 Becs Gentry: is just giving us a little insight of what we 62 00:03:46,110 --> 00:03:49,710 Becs Gentry: have ahead and we all know the want and the 63 00:03:49,710 --> 00:03:52,650 Becs Gentry: desire, the impetus to get out there for miles in 64 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:57,960 Becs Gentry: the dark cold winter is pretty low. Good that there's a Peleton tread 65 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,240 Becs Gentry: you can use if you want one just saying, not 66 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:07,110 Becs Gentry: selling. But it is okay to just roll with it 67 00:04:07,290 --> 00:04:11,490 Becs Gentry: until whatever race you have next comes up in your 68 00:04:11,490 --> 00:04:18,180 Becs Gentry: schedule. So as we got to celebrate the day of 69 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:20,849 Becs Gentry: the race, if you're a Set The Pace listener, you 70 00:04:20,850 --> 00:04:23,609 Becs Gentry: will know that just literally a few hours after the 71 00:04:23,610 --> 00:04:28,140 Becs Gentry: TCS New York City Marathon, Rob got to interview all 72 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:31,950 Becs Gentry: of the four 20 5 champions. If you haven't listened 73 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:34,440 Becs Gentry: to it, go and listen to it. It is a 74 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Becs Gentry: great, great episode and some nuggets of gold there from our 75 00:04:40,740 --> 00:04:43,740 Becs Gentry: top champs. As soon as Rob's out of town today, 76 00:04:44,130 --> 00:04:46,650 Becs Gentry: I thought I'd go in with my own running fan 77 00:04:46,650 --> 00:04:52,380 Becs Gentry: girl thrill. So you are going to be absolutely ecstatic 78 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:54,900 Becs Gentry: to know that joining me today on Set The Pace 79 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:58,020 Becs Gentry: is the top American woman, the top American man, and 80 00:04:58,020 --> 00:05:03,000 Becs Gentry: the top non- binary runner. I have Fiona O'Keefe, Joel 81 00:05:03,029 --> 00:05:07,800 Becs Gentry: Reichow, and Daniel Mata. They're all coming up on today's 82 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,470 Becs Gentry: show to share their personal stories of the five Borough 83 00:05:10,470 --> 00:05:14,160 Becs Gentry: race that's changed their lives and some personal anecdotes about 84 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:18,210 Becs Gentry: who they are as runners. Later on in the show 85 00:05:18,210 --> 00:05:21,299 Becs Gentry: today. 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Peloton, an official partner of the 2025 TCS New York 101 00:06:23,490 --> 00:06:24,180 Speaker 3: City Marathon. 102 00:06:24,990 --> 00:06:28,260 Becs Gentry: Hi everyone. Just a quick note. Fiona had to join 103 00:06:28,260 --> 00:06:30,510 Becs Gentry: us today from a public space, so you will hear 104 00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:34,229 Becs Gentry: some music and announcements in the background, but I promise 105 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:37,919 Becs Gentry: you her interview will be absolutely worth it. I first 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,279 Becs Gentry: set eyes on Fiona O'Keefe at the 2024 US Olympic 107 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,729 Becs Gentry: trials when she stunned the running world by winning in 108 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:50,400 Becs Gentry: her marathon debut in a 2: 22: 10, the fastest 109 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,950 Becs Gentry: debut marathon ever by an American woman. Devastatingly ephemeral stress 110 00:06:55,950 --> 00:06:59,100 Becs Gentry: injury impeded her run in the Paris Olympics. But Fiona 111 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:04,830 Becs Gentry: has spent the last year methodically and patiently rebuilding her 112 00:07:04,830 --> 00:07:08,940 Becs Gentry: fitness with her coaches Amy and Alistair Craig. Fiona returned 113 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:11,790 Becs Gentry: to the marathon last week on the world's biggest stage 114 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:16,890 Becs Gentry: for the 2025 TCS New York City Marathon. Her astounding 2: 115 00:07:16,890 --> 00:07:21,930 Becs Gentry: 22:49 finish at the marathon wasn't just good enough for 116 00:07:21,930 --> 00:07:25,860 Becs Gentry: fourth place overall, it broke the American course record in 117 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:30,510 Becs Gentry: New York and reaffirmed Fiona's status as a true American 118 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:34,020 Becs Gentry: marathon star. Fiona, welcome to set the pace. 119 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:35,580 Fiona O'Keefe: Thank you. Thanks for having me. 120 00:07:36,270 --> 00:07:39,570 Becs Gentry: Thanks for being here. I hope that you've had some 121 00:07:39,570 --> 00:07:43,590 Becs Gentry: good recovery ever since that incredible day just over a 122 00:07:43,590 --> 00:07:46,440 Becs Gentry: week ago. Let's wind it back just a little bit 123 00:07:46,590 --> 00:07:50,310 Becs Gentry: to talk about the Olympics and the trials. So your 124 00:07:50,310 --> 00:07:55,350 Becs Gentry: debut marathon, your first one, 2024, the US Olympic trials 125 00:07:55,770 --> 00:08:01,380 Becs Gentry: was a huge victory on so many levels. What emotions 126 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,900 Becs Gentry: and thoughts were running through your head as you realized 127 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:06,180 Becs Gentry: you were about to take the win that day? 128 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,140 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. I definitely felt pretty surreal. I feel like it didn't 129 00:08:10,140 --> 00:08:14,070 Fiona O'Keefe: sink in until I was coming around that last corner. 130 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:18,510 Fiona O'Keefe: I took a look over my shoulder and realized that 131 00:08:19,380 --> 00:08:21,540 Fiona O'Keefe: I was going to make the team and I was winning the 132 00:08:21,540 --> 00:08:26,520 Fiona O'Keefe: race and yeah, yeah, it was just definitely an overwhelming amount 133 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,860 Fiona O'Keefe: of excitement at that moment. 134 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:32,730 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. It was such a hot day. I was there 135 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:35,459 Becs Gentry: literally at the finish line and watched you come in 136 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,699 Becs Gentry: and I remember you taking that sneak peek over your 137 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:43,530 Becs Gentry: shoulder and everyone just being like, " You got this," and it 138 00:08:43,530 --> 00:08:50,280 Becs Gentry: was unreal. I'm sure the stress of winning that, knowing 139 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,090 Becs Gentry: that you've made the team immediately labeled as a future 140 00:08:54,090 --> 00:08:57,870 Becs Gentry: megastar in the running world from that moment on. How 141 00:08:57,870 --> 00:09:02,069 Becs Gentry: did you manage expectations with early success? And do you 142 00:09:02,070 --> 00:09:04,590 Becs Gentry: ever wish that you could go back to running without any 143 00:09:04,590 --> 00:09:05,610 Becs Gentry: spotlight on you? 144 00:09:06,750 --> 00:09:09,809 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Yeah. I guess it definitely did change a lot 145 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,750 Fiona O'Keefe: in terms of the expectations after that race. I do 146 00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:15,660 Fiona O'Keefe: think that in hindsight, I wish I could go back 147 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:19,530 Fiona O'Keefe: to myself after the trials and just tell myself to take 148 00:09:19,530 --> 00:09:23,699 Fiona O'Keefe: a deep breath and just try not to change too 149 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:26,790 Fiona O'Keefe: much going into the buildup to Paris because I do 150 00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:30,870 Fiona O'Keefe: think that I maybe let some of that expectation affect 151 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:34,410 Fiona O'Keefe: me a little bit and get a little carried away 152 00:09:34,470 --> 00:09:37,530 Fiona O'Keefe: with that Paris buildup. So I do wish that I 153 00:09:37,530 --> 00:09:39,690 Fiona O'Keefe: could quiet some of that. At this point I feel 154 00:09:39,690 --> 00:09:44,790 Fiona O'Keefe: like I've been through it. I think I've learned better 155 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:49,979 Fiona O'Keefe: how to manage that external noise and just stay in 156 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:52,950 Fiona O'Keefe: better touch with the reasons why I love to do this 157 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:57,450 Fiona O'Keefe: sport and focus on I guess the good things and all 158 00:09:57,450 --> 00:10:00,390 Fiona O'Keefe: the great people that have supported me to get to 159 00:10:00,390 --> 00:10:03,479 Fiona O'Keefe: where I am now and try to just focus on 160 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,650 Fiona O'Keefe: that side of things more. 161 00:10:05,220 --> 00:10:10,440 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. That's also sound advice to anyone really, no matter 162 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Becs Gentry: what your level of running is to just take a 163 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:19,050 Becs Gentry: breath and reset and think about longevity rather than perhaps 164 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:22,350 Becs Gentry: your next big goal. So you went from that massive 165 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:25,650 Becs Gentry: high, as you said, of your debut marathon, taking the 166 00:10:25,650 --> 00:10:29,939 Becs Gentry: win to what looked like and I'm sure was absolute 167 00:10:29,940 --> 00:10:33,780 Becs Gentry: heartbreak in Paris having to drop out of the Olympic 168 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:38,220 Becs Gentry: marathon due to injury. So how then did you manage 169 00:10:38,220 --> 00:10:45,179 Becs Gentry: that mental game of absolute, what is happening, this setback 170 00:10:45,179 --> 00:10:47,730 Becs Gentry: and how are you going to start to be so resilient? 171 00:10:47,850 --> 00:10:53,460 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Yeah. I guess there were two pieces to that journey 172 00:10:53,460 --> 00:10:57,750 Fiona O'Keefe: back in a way. After the Olympics, it was physically 173 00:10:57,750 --> 00:11:04,800 Fiona O'Keefe: rebuilding but then also mentally rebuilding because it's the biggest 174 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:11,370 Fiona O'Keefe: stage that there is. And to experience that failure really 175 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:17,069 Fiona O'Keefe: on that biggest stage is definitely mentally something to deal 176 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:21,929 Fiona O'Keefe: with. So I guess I had to do both pieces 177 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,000 Fiona O'Keefe: and really zoom out and think about what I want 178 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,340 Fiona O'Keefe: out of this sport on a longer time scale. And 179 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,900 Fiona O'Keefe: taking that longer time view was very helpful. And speaking 180 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:41,070 Fiona O'Keefe: with other people who've had similar experiences on that level 181 00:11:41,070 --> 00:11:44,220 Fiona O'Keefe: was also very helpful. So just knowing that you can 182 00:11:44,220 --> 00:11:46,949 Fiona O'Keefe: go through something really hard, but you're probably not the 183 00:11:46,950 --> 00:11:49,920 Fiona O'Keefe: first one who's gone through it. And also at the 184 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,480 Fiona O'Keefe: end of the day, it is the sport. It's a 185 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,000 Fiona O'Keefe: huge privilege to be able to do it for my 186 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,309 Fiona O'Keefe: job, but it is just running at the end of 187 00:11:59,309 --> 00:12:02,280 Fiona O'Keefe: the day and there are bigger problems going on in 188 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,790 Fiona O'Keefe: the world. 189 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,110 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. And when it feels like that is the whole world 190 00:12:07,110 --> 00:12:10,440 Becs Gentry: to you, I'm sure it did in a few moments, but 191 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,490 Becs Gentry: here you are today, you've had a mega ... Comeback is 192 00:12:14,490 --> 00:12:18,660 Becs Gentry: a word, but it's just a journey. It's just a process 193 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:21,809 Becs Gentry: that you had to go on because you love running 194 00:12:21,929 --> 00:12:25,050 Becs Gentry: and you were going to get yourself back to doing 195 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:30,630 Becs Gentry: the thing that gives you power for you. So you've 196 00:12:30,630 --> 00:12:35,550 Becs Gentry: spoken publicly about training alongside Vivian Cheruiyot in Park City 197 00:12:35,550 --> 00:12:39,540 Becs Gentry: leading up to New York, and two things I want 198 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:41,819 Becs Gentry: to ask you. One, I want to know if you 199 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:45,660 Becs Gentry: have a specific workout or moment that the two of 200 00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:49,140 Becs Gentry: you did together that stands out. And then the second 201 00:12:49,140 --> 00:12:51,000 Becs Gentry: thing I'm going to ask you is about on race 202 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,700 Becs Gentry: day with her. So first of all, specific moment or 203 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:56,400 Becs Gentry: workout in that whole training that stuck out to you? 204 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,200 Fiona O'Keefe: Probably I feel like we were just able to help 205 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:09,150 Fiona O'Keefe: each other differently with our different strengths. So I feel 206 00:13:09,150 --> 00:13:13,320 Fiona O'Keefe: like on the track days I was hanging onto the 207 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,130 Fiona O'Keefe: back of her more and then the long runs, we 208 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:20,069 Fiona O'Keefe: were able to match up really well those days and 209 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,219 Fiona O'Keefe: sometimes she was following mile lead a little bit more, 210 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,949 Fiona O'Keefe: if I can say that. I don't know if that's- 211 00:13:25,950 --> 00:13:25,951 Becs Gentry: Take it. 212 00:13:25,951 --> 00:13:35,339 Fiona O'Keefe: Completely accurate. But yeah, I feel like it was a really nice match up and we were able to 213 00:13:35,370 --> 00:13:38,790 Fiona O'Keefe: help each other a lot and she was dishing out little pieces 214 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:41,940 Fiona O'Keefe: of wisdom that were so valuable. She has so much 215 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:45,450 Fiona O'Keefe: experience. So everything that I was able to learn from 216 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:49,559 Fiona O'Keefe: her I was really grateful for. And just seeing the way that 217 00:13:49,890 --> 00:13:53,220 Fiona O'Keefe: she approaches things and how calm she is really, and 218 00:13:53,220 --> 00:13:57,360 Fiona O'Keefe: unfazed, she's been through it all and she succeeded at 219 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Fiona O'Keefe: such a high level that just being around someone who 220 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,100 Fiona O'Keefe: has that level of confidence going into the race and 221 00:14:05,130 --> 00:14:07,890 Fiona O'Keefe: in her preparation was really nice. 222 00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:12,449 Becs Gentry: Amazing. Learning and learning. Second question there was about in 223 00:14:12,450 --> 00:14:16,709 Becs Gentry: the race ... Because you weren't running with her really at 224 00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:20,160 Becs Gentry: all in the race, you were both essentially in the lead 225 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,650 Becs Gentry: pack for the first eight miles or so, but she 226 00:14:22,650 --> 00:14:25,020 Becs Gentry: was much more towards the back, so you didn't get 227 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:27,780 Becs Gentry: to talk to her or run alongside her. Did that 228 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,600 Becs Gentry: affect your dynamic in your brain at all? 229 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:33,660 Fiona O'Keefe: There was one moment early on where we shared a 230 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:37,680 Fiona O'Keefe: water bottle. So yeah, that was nice to just see 231 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,920 Fiona O'Keefe: her then and I guess I figured, oh, maybe I'll 232 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,010 Fiona O'Keefe: see her later in the race. It wasn't the best 233 00:14:44,010 --> 00:14:45,720 Fiona O'Keefe: day for her. I think she had some issues with 234 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,500 Fiona O'Keefe: her calf, which was a bummer. So I would've loved 235 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:52,170 Fiona O'Keefe: to have seen her have a great day as well. 236 00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:55,440 Fiona O'Keefe: But yeah, I talked to her after and she seemed 237 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,470 Fiona O'Keefe: like she was all good. She has such great perspective 238 00:14:58,470 --> 00:15:02,250 Fiona O'Keefe: having been around for so long. So yeah, I am excited to 239 00:15:02,430 --> 00:15:03,421 Fiona O'Keefe: link up again in the future. 240 00:15:03,421 --> 00:15:07,620 Becs Gentry: Yeah. I loved watching you. I was doing the commentary. 241 00:15:07,620 --> 00:15:09,450 Becs Gentry: I was like, " Oh my God, Fiona missed a water 242 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:13,500 Becs Gentry: bottle." Your face just dropped as you went past that 243 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:16,290 Becs Gentry: table. You were so close. I was like, " God, I 244 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:19,320 Becs Gentry: wish I could help at this point." But then that was so 245 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,370 Becs Gentry: lovely to just see that camaraderie between the women there. 246 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:27,510 Becs Gentry: Okay. Let's talk about the Queensboro Bridge. You lost contact 247 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:29,790 Becs Gentry: with the leaders, there was the four of you up 248 00:15:29,790 --> 00:15:33,540 Becs Gentry: front for a while. It was brief for sure, and 249 00:15:33,540 --> 00:15:36,480 Becs Gentry: in a really tough spot to lose contact with the 250 00:15:36,510 --> 00:15:41,850 Becs Gentry: lead group there. But what were you telling yourself to motor back 251 00:15:41,940 --> 00:15:43,771 Becs Gentry: up to them and catch them up? 252 00:15:43,771 --> 00:15:46,560 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Yeah. I guess I was just telling myself to 253 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,770 Fiona O'Keefe: try to use the downhill and that they had surged, but 254 00:15:49,770 --> 00:15:51,870 Fiona O'Keefe: I knew that at that point they weren't running too 255 00:15:51,870 --> 00:15:54,330 Fiona O'Keefe: much faster than I was. They just had a gap. 256 00:15:54,330 --> 00:15:56,790 Fiona O'Keefe: So it was like, it's going to feel a lot 257 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:59,550 Fiona O'Keefe: better if I can run with them rather than just 258 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,660 Fiona O'Keefe: fighting in this no man's land. So yeah. I just 259 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:07,290 Fiona O'Keefe: really tried to use that downhill because I am pretty 260 00:16:07,290 --> 00:16:10,770 Fiona O'Keefe: good on downhills, so it's like, okay, I can try 261 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:13,500 Fiona O'Keefe: to use this to get back with them. Just one 262 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:15,840 Fiona O'Keefe: more push, give it one more go. It's going to 263 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,850 Fiona O'Keefe: feel better if I'm back there with them. 264 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:24,840 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. Yeah. Teamwork coming together there. Did you any point 265 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,750 Becs Gentry: other than the finish or near the finish, did you 266 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:30,180 Becs Gentry: know that you were going to be taking the fastest 267 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,250 Becs Gentry: American time on the course? 268 00:16:32,850 --> 00:16:39,300 Fiona O'Keefe: I think I looked at the clock maybe around mile 23 or something and 269 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:43,080 Fiona O'Keefe: realized that I was on for a pretty quick time still. 270 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:46,590 Fiona O'Keefe: I didn't know exactly what it meant at that point 271 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:49,980 Fiona O'Keefe: because I was just trying to stay engaged because I 272 00:16:49,980 --> 00:16:53,040 Fiona O'Keefe: was just running by myself then in a tough spot. 273 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:56,609 Fiona O'Keefe: So yeah. I guess I started thinking about time a 274 00:16:56,610 --> 00:17:00,330 Fiona O'Keefe: little bit there was like, okay, try to stay on it. But 275 00:17:00,450 --> 00:17:03,750 Fiona O'Keefe: yeah. No. I wasn't really focused on that going into 276 00:17:03,750 --> 00:17:04,320 Fiona O'Keefe: the race. 277 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:07,290 Becs Gentry: Yeah. Don't want to add that extra pressure. There's already 278 00:17:07,290 --> 00:17:09,869 Becs Gentry: pressure. You don't need that extra level. I'm going to 279 00:17:09,869 --> 00:17:12,930 Becs Gentry: ask you, there was one moment, you were still on First 280 00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:15,660 Becs Gentry: Avenue on the climb right towards the top. I'm guessing 281 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:20,880 Becs Gentry: it was somewhere between 18 and 19 and Sifan just suddenly caught 282 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,710 Becs Gentry: up to you. Was there anything in your mind of 283 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,590 Becs Gentry: wondering what tactics a runner like Sifan was going to have on 284 00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:32,429 Becs Gentry: that race day? 285 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:38,340 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Certainly Vivian and I or Vivian at least talked 286 00:17:38,340 --> 00:17:41,490 Fiona O'Keefe: about how she thought that some of the other women 287 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:44,340 Fiona O'Keefe: in the race would be motivated to keep it more 288 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:47,730 Fiona O'Keefe: honest having someone like Sifan in the race who has 289 00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:50,609 Fiona O'Keefe: so much speed, and I do think it played out 290 00:17:50,609 --> 00:17:55,619 Fiona O'Keefe: that way. But yeah. I was definitely not counting her 291 00:17:55,619 --> 00:17:59,010 Fiona O'Keefe: out the whole race. I knew she could come back 292 00:17:59,010 --> 00:18:01,770 Fiona O'Keefe: at any moment. She's so fast and so strong that 293 00:18:02,369 --> 00:18:05,369 Fiona O'Keefe: having someone like that in the race I think definitely 294 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,369 Fiona O'Keefe: pushes everyone to up their game a little bit. 295 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:12,240 Becs Gentry: Yeah. Oh my gosh. The five of you for that 296 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,280 Becs Gentry: last part of the first avenue Climb, I was like, " 297 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:15,959 Becs Gentry: I don't know what's going to happen here," and I 298 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,750 Becs Gentry: was right with you. I don't see a play, which 299 00:18:18,780 --> 00:18:22,770 Becs Gentry: was awesome. So awesome. Talking about helping each other there 300 00:18:22,770 --> 00:18:25,619 Becs Gentry: seemed like there was definitely some teamwork between the American 301 00:18:25,619 --> 00:18:30,720 Becs Gentry: women. Whether you're teammates, training partners or not it really 302 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,220 Becs Gentry: felt like in this race and in other races. So 303 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:39,450 Becs Gentry: for you, what is the difference for everyone's race when 304 00:18:39,450 --> 00:18:41,310 Becs Gentry: it's camaraderie versus competition? 305 00:18:42,540 --> 00:18:46,230 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. I guess the marathon is just so long that 306 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:51,990 Fiona O'Keefe: it feels like there's room for both. There's going to 307 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:55,230 Fiona O'Keefe: be a big group at halfway, you know that. So 308 00:18:55,650 --> 00:18:58,560 Fiona O'Keefe: I feel like there's not too much of a point 309 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,730 Fiona O'Keefe: in turning it into something super competitive before it needs 310 00:19:02,730 --> 00:19:07,530 Fiona O'Keefe: to be. So I'm super happy to work with people 311 00:19:07,530 --> 00:19:10,678 Fiona O'Keefe: for as long as possible really during the race. And 312 00:19:10,679 --> 00:19:14,010 Fiona O'Keefe: I think that's something that's really fun and unique about 313 00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:16,980 Fiona O'Keefe: the is the gun goes off and it's not like 314 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:20,220 Fiona O'Keefe: a track race where it's immediately every woman out for 315 00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:24,629 Fiona O'Keefe: herself. It's like, okay, how is this race going to develop 316 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:27,119 Fiona O'Keefe: and how are we all going to put this together 317 00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:28,950 Fiona O'Keefe: as a group almost? 318 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:33,869 Becs Gentry: Yeah. I love that. It's like a train, train carrying on somehow 319 00:19:33,869 --> 00:19:36,510 Becs Gentry: getting to that finish line in the astonishing times that 320 00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:39,690 Becs Gentry: you do. Okay. So the marathon is behind us, or 321 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:43,050 Becs Gentry: at least the TCS New York City Marathon is behind 322 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:45,990 Becs Gentry: us now. Do you have any challenges on the horizon that 323 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:46,770 Becs Gentry: are exciting you? 324 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:50,609 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Yeah. I need to sit down with my coach 325 00:19:50,609 --> 00:19:53,820 Fiona O'Keefe: and agent and look at the calendar for next year, 326 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:58,020 Fiona O'Keefe: but I'm definitely excited to run another major or two, 327 00:19:58,170 --> 00:20:01,680 Fiona O'Keefe: probably a spring marathon. But yeah. We'll see. I definitely 328 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,409 Fiona O'Keefe: feel like I have good momentum coming off in New 329 00:20:04,410 --> 00:20:08,400 Fiona O'Keefe: York, so I'm excited about that. But yeah. I do 330 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Fiona O'Keefe: have to be sure to take a beat and reset first. 331 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:15,990 Becs Gentry: Probably really hard to do at your level. Did you 332 00:20:16,020 --> 00:20:18,690 Becs Gentry: manage to put your feet up and do anything to 333 00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:21,061 Becs Gentry: celebrate or do a different relaxation after the race? 334 00:20:21,061 --> 00:20:24,420 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I stayed in New York for a 335 00:20:24,450 --> 00:20:27,390 Fiona O'Keefe: couple of days with my family and just got to 336 00:20:27,390 --> 00:20:29,730 Fiona O'Keefe: explore the city for fun a little bit, which was 337 00:20:29,730 --> 00:20:33,000 Fiona O'Keefe: really nice. Spent some time over in Brooklyn, which was 338 00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:35,790 Fiona O'Keefe: nice to get out of the really chaotic zone where 339 00:20:35,790 --> 00:20:38,760 Fiona O'Keefe: you stay for the marathon. And then one of my 340 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:42,359 Fiona O'Keefe: college teammates got married in Rhode Island the very next 341 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,050 Fiona O'Keefe: weekend after so I just stayed in the Northeast through that. 342 00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:50,250 Becs Gentry: Oh, fun. Okay. That seems like a really good disconnection 343 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:53,369 Becs Gentry: from training and being in your bubble at home. 344 00:20:53,369 --> 00:20:54,960 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. 345 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,680 Becs Gentry: I love it. Okay. Final question is not necessarily about 346 00:20:58,710 --> 00:21:02,250 Becs Gentry: running per se, but you are very passionate about climate 347 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:06,600 Becs Gentry: change or climate issues. You've met with Congress through Protect 348 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:15,090 Becs Gentry: Our Winters. So how do you combine that passion for 349 00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:22,680 Becs Gentry: climate issue and running to enrich each separate entity of 350 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:23,340 Becs Gentry: your world? 351 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,570 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I think Protect our Winters has 352 00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:31,890 Fiona O'Keefe: been really helpful in finding a way to marry the 353 00:21:31,890 --> 00:21:35,520 Fiona O'Keefe: two in a way because I've been able to represent 354 00:21:35,580 --> 00:21:38,790 Fiona O'Keefe: them as well as my main sponsor, Puma in my 355 00:21:38,790 --> 00:21:42,180 Fiona O'Keefe: races now. And they have this whole athlete alliance that 356 00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:45,720 Fiona O'Keefe: they started out with winter sports and now they've been 357 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:52,379 Fiona O'Keefe: building more into other sports like running. And unfortunately we 358 00:21:52,380 --> 00:21:56,490 Fiona O'Keefe: have seen more and more races being affected by extreme 359 00:21:56,490 --> 00:22:02,100 Fiona O'Keefe: weather, whether that's heat or we could be extreme rainfall, 360 00:22:02,369 --> 00:22:05,369 Fiona O'Keefe: whatever it is. So I think that it is something that 361 00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:10,260 Fiona O'Keefe: we'll have to contend with more and more, but also 362 00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:15,600 Fiona O'Keefe: that as runners, we are always outside the natural world, 363 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,350 Fiona O'Keefe: whether that's running through a city or on a trail 364 00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:25,320 Fiona O'Keefe: somewhere. So I think that it naturally does connect us 365 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,930 Fiona O'Keefe: to the environment more so whether we recognize it or 366 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:30,810 Fiona O'Keefe: not. So I guess I just want to point to 367 00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:36,780 Fiona O'Keefe: that connection and have it just be more front of mind 368 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:38,850 Fiona O'Keefe: for all of us out there running. 369 00:22:39,390 --> 00:22:43,020 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. I love that and it's something that I hope 370 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:45,840 Becs Gentry: more runners take note of is that yes, we're out 371 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,869 Becs Gentry: there. Our connection with nature isn't just about not dropping 372 00:22:48,869 --> 00:22:53,159 Becs Gentry: your fuel packets on the floor. It's about really looking 373 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,070 Becs Gentry: after that world, that beautiful world that we get to 374 00:22:56,070 --> 00:23:00,690 Becs Gentry: run around. Well, thank you for being such a trailblazer 375 00:23:00,690 --> 00:23:06,090 Becs Gentry: in so many things. Huge congratulations for your achievements this 376 00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:08,699 Becs Gentry: year. Thank you very much for being on Set The 377 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:09,359 Becs Gentry: Pace today. 378 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,460 Fiona O'Keefe: Yeah. Thanks for having me. 379 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:15,810 Becs Gentry: In this year's record- breaking TCS New York City Marathon, 380 00:23:15,869 --> 00:23:19,050 Becs Gentry: the non- binary champion came from just across the river. 381 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,760 Becs Gentry: Daniel Mata, a Jersey City resident, may have just discovered 382 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,119 Becs Gentry: running during the pandemic, but they have quickly graduated to 383 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:32,670 Becs Gentry: major marathons. After finishing second in Chicago's non- binary division 384 00:23:32,670 --> 00:23:36,570 Becs Gentry: last year, Mata signed up for the 2025 TCS New York 385 00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:40,530 Becs Gentry: City Marathon and delivered a phenomenal personal best of 2 41 386 00:23:40,619 --> 00:23:47,910 Becs Gentry: 39 to claim their first marathon victory. Daniel, welcome to 387 00:23:47,910 --> 00:23:49,680 Becs Gentry: the show and congratulations. 388 00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:52,230 Daniel Mata: Yeah. Thank you so much and thank you for having me. 389 00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:59,310 Becs Gentry: Of course. Let's reel it back because honestly it's hard 390 00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:03,330 Becs Gentry: to find out things about you on the World Wide 391 00:24:03,330 --> 00:24:06,720 Becs Gentry: web, which is wonderful. I love that. I think it's 392 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,470 Becs Gentry: just awesome because that means conversation is real when you 393 00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:14,130 Becs Gentry: get to meet people. Talk to us about your running. 394 00:24:14,130 --> 00:24:17,730 Becs Gentry: From what I can gather, you started your running journey 395 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,199 Becs Gentry: in some form really in 2020 during the pandemic to 396 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,650 Becs Gentry: ease anxiety and to get you outdoors. And just as 397 00:24:25,650 --> 00:24:28,590 Becs Gentry: an aside, holy moly, how far have you come since then? 398 00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:33,060 Becs Gentry: It's so cool, but talk us through those early days 399 00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:36,150 Becs Gentry: of running and how you discovered it was actually something 400 00:24:36,150 --> 00:24:37,290 Becs Gentry: that you were pretty good at. 401 00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:40,800 Daniel Mata: Yeah. So I guess I should say it started a 402 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,930 Daniel Mata: little bit before that. In the summer of 2019 or 403 00:24:45,930 --> 00:24:48,930 Daniel Mata: so, I met a friend, his name is David Levine. 404 00:24:49,140 --> 00:24:52,380 Daniel Mata: He actually lives here in New York or right across 405 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:56,010 Daniel Mata: the river in New York. But at the time, I 406 00:24:56,010 --> 00:25:00,270 Daniel Mata: had expressed my interest in trying to run longer distances, 407 00:25:00,869 --> 00:25:03,330 Daniel Mata: not feeling like I could ever run a marathon. I 408 00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:05,879 Daniel Mata: had done a couple 5Ks and stuff like that growing 409 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,720 Daniel Mata: up, but nothing major. And then around the time he 410 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,330 Daniel Mata: encouraged me to sign up for a half- marathon where 411 00:25:12,330 --> 00:25:14,790 Daniel Mata: we were both living in Columbus, Ohio at the time. 412 00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:18,900 Daniel Mata: So signed up for that. We did a half- marathon 413 00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:22,500 Daniel Mata: together at the end of 2019. So then of course 414 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:27,750 Daniel Mata: when everything shut down in 2020, it was almost like 415 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:31,859 Daniel Mata: a natural response for me to just take all that 416 00:25:31,859 --> 00:25:34,470 Daniel Mata: feeling of not being able to do anything and just 417 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,160 Daniel Mata: use the outdoors as a space to have some semblance 418 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,149 Daniel Mata: of routine when everything is feeling like it's never going 419 00:25:42,150 --> 00:25:43,500 Daniel Mata: to go back to normal or whatever. 420 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:52,109 Becs Gentry: Wow. So it's a strange way to explain it, but 421 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:55,680 Becs Gentry: I'm sure as you were hoping things would go back 422 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,890 Becs Gentry: to normal in the world, your world of running was 423 00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:00,570 Becs Gentry: never going to go back to what you knew was 424 00:26:00,570 --> 00:26:05,159 Becs Gentry: normal before talking to your friend David and signing up 425 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,090 Becs Gentry: for that half, and then the pandemic just almost tricking 426 00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:12,240 Becs Gentry: you into, oh, here you go. Here's something that you 427 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,030 Becs Gentry: can have a hobby at which is going to turn 428 00:26:15,030 --> 00:26:18,960 Becs Gentry: into something you're really good at. So what essentially brought 429 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,540 Becs Gentry: you, because you said it was in Ohio before where 430 00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:25,110 Becs Gentry: you started running, what brought you to New York/ New Jersey? 431 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,100 Daniel Mata: It was a job opportunity. So I got a job 432 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:34,350 Daniel Mata: opportunity out here, so I relocated. I had a couple friends out 433 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:37,230 Daniel Mata: in the city already, so I figured it would be 434 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:42,780 Daniel Mata: a pretty decent easy transition. Still getting used to everything. 435 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,410 Daniel Mata: We nly just moved out here in March, so still getting 436 00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:48,660 Daniel Mata: used to it. But yeah, it was mainly a job thing. 437 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:53,040 Becs Gentry: Okay. Cool. And then so you got into New York and 438 00:26:54,330 --> 00:26:58,260 Becs Gentry: I've been here eight and a half years or so. The 439 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:02,010 Becs Gentry: running community here is special. It is something that is, 440 00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:06,330 Becs Gentry: I think very, very welcoming. It's also very competitive, which 441 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:10,109 Becs Gentry: brings out the best in most people for sure. So 442 00:27:10,109 --> 00:27:14,970 Becs Gentry: as you started training, you run Columbus, Boston, and Chicago 443 00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:23,010 Becs Gentry: as the big marathons here. What changed in your process 444 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,140 Becs Gentry: of running to get you gradually higher and higher in 445 00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:29,909 Becs Gentry: your division through those races? 446 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,340 Daniel Mata: Especially talking in my division, specifically the non- binary division, 447 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:41,520 Daniel Mata: well, the first thing would be just availability. It's a relatively new 448 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,100 Daniel Mata: thing for big races or even smaller races to have 449 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,940 Daniel Mata: separate categories for people to compete in. So of course 450 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,020 Daniel Mata: when I first started ... When I first did Chicago and 451 00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:58,920 Daniel Mata: Boston, I would sign up as male, which is fine, 452 00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:04,470 Daniel Mata: nothing against that. But thanks to the efforts of certain 453 00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:08,700 Daniel Mata: people in the community, advocating for races to create spaces 454 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:13,380 Daniel Mata: for people with diverse experiences has led to the advent 455 00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:15,540 Daniel Mata: of new categories. Of course, I was going to take 456 00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:20,100 Daniel Mata: advantage of that. So one thing that I read once, 457 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:23,310 Daniel Mata: and I guess that was when I first was deciding like, well, 458 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:27,600 Daniel Mata: do I want to just keep signing up for races 459 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:34,050 Daniel Mata: under my assigned sex at birth, or do I want 460 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:38,910 Daniel Mata: to try this non- binary category? I read somewhere that 461 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,520 Daniel Mata: to win the race, you have to be in it. 462 00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:46,170 Daniel Mata: So I figured, well, that's a push to be like, 463 00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:49,860 Daniel Mata: well, if I want to compete and race with people 464 00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:52,560 Daniel Mata: like me, then I should just go ahead and sign 465 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,650 Daniel Mata: up. So started doing that for Chicago last year and 466 00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:56,850 Daniel Mata: then New York this year. 467 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,900 Becs Gentry: That's awesome. And do you feel like the non- binary 468 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:06,810 Becs Gentry: community in running is continuing to grow, let's say, and 469 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:10,230 Becs Gentry: helping non- binary runners make connections? 470 00:29:11,850 --> 00:29:15,360 Daniel Mata: I would say it still feels like a pretty small 471 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,950 Daniel Mata: community. Just looking at the numbers, when you look at 472 00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:25,110 Daniel Mata: something like New York, which beyond just being a big 473 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:28,830 Daniel Mata: race, it's also potentially a center for people with diverse 474 00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:31,740 Daniel Mata: experiences to come out and compete and feel safe and 475 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:39,180 Daniel Mata: sign up. Out of the 59, 200 plus runners that participated 476 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:41,670 Daniel Mata: in this year's race, I think we only had about 477 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,950 Daniel Mata: 136 non- binary finishers. So obviously still a very small 478 00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:50,670 Daniel Mata: category, but I think it's interesting that at least we 479 00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:54,090 Daniel Mata: keep seeing similar faces over and over, which does start 480 00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:56,460 Daniel Mata: to make it feel a little bit like a small 481 00:29:56,460 --> 00:30:03,180 Daniel Mata: community. I believe J, who is one of the organizers 482 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:06,540 Daniel Mata: for I think the four miler, the pride four miler 483 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:11,910 Daniel Mata: that happens as part of the NYR, they also came in 484 00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:15,510 Daniel Mata: third this year and they were also in Chicago last 485 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:19,500 Daniel Mata: year and they also came in third. You start getting 486 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,800 Daniel Mata: a little bit familiar with some of the people that participate 487 00:30:23,730 --> 00:30:25,980 Daniel Mata: in the same circuit. So that's always interesting. 488 00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:33,330 Becs Gentry: And hopefully you are all in that mindset that the 489 00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:36,540 Becs Gentry: more you show up, the more regular you come to 490 00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:39,390 Becs Gentry: the races in the non- binary division, that there is 491 00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:45,360 Becs Gentry: probably a generation of runners behind you who are inspired 492 00:30:45,450 --> 00:30:48,330 Becs Gentry: by that, being able to run in a category where 493 00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:53,910 Becs Gentry: they feel safe and seen and represented. So hopefully it's 494 00:30:53,910 --> 00:30:56,760 Becs Gentry: going to continue to grow in exactly the way that 495 00:30:57,060 --> 00:31:01,770 Becs Gentry: it's slowly in your world right now growing. Let's talk 496 00:31:01,770 --> 00:31:04,800 Becs Gentry: about your race because I love it when it's a 497 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,640 Becs Gentry: PR, it's a wonderful day to do the PR on 498 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,540 Becs Gentry: a record- breaking day here. Was there a point in 499 00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:17,850 Becs Gentry: the race where you realize to yourself, oh, okay, I think 500 00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:20,550 Becs Gentry: I'm on track to win my division here. Let's just 501 00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:21,090 Becs Gentry: hold on. 502 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:28,320 Daniel Mata: So I wasn't entirely sure what place I was in I guess. Also 503 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,370 Daniel Mata: not knowing who all was signed up for the race 504 00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:34,920 Daniel Mata: either ahead of time. And looking back, I think that 505 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,690 Daniel Mata: made sense because New York, you start in three different start 506 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:43,950 Daniel Mata: lines. So I think second and third place both started 507 00:31:43,950 --> 00:31:49,890 Daniel Mata: in the blue start and I started in pink. So 508 00:31:49,890 --> 00:31:53,490 Daniel Mata: I really didn't have any idea going into the race. 509 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,830 Daniel Mata: But I think it was somewhere around mile 15 going 510 00:31:58,830 --> 00:32:05,580 Daniel Mata: up Queensboro Bridge. I just remember that being ... First of 511 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:07,500 Daniel Mata: all, that was one of my favorite parts of the 512 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,950 Daniel Mata: course. I think I started out pretty conservative, so by 513 00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:13,530 Daniel Mata: the time the bridge came around, I was like, " Okay. 514 00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:17,430 Daniel Mata: I'm going to start pushing now." And going up that 515 00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:22,950 Daniel Mata: hill, there were three spotters on bikes. I didn't realize 516 00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:26,100 Daniel Mata: at the time right away. But as I was running 517 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:28,410 Daniel Mata: up the hill, one of them says something like, " Oh, 518 00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:31,650 Daniel Mata: there they are." And then he takes off and starts 519 00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:35,130 Daniel Mata: running or biking right ahead of me or near me 520 00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:37,680 Daniel Mata: for the entirety of the race or for the rest 521 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,880 Daniel Mata: of the race. And after about two- ish miles of 522 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,000 Daniel Mata: him riding with me, that's when I started thinking, oh, 523 00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:48,360 Daniel Mata: I think he might be riding with me near the 524 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,510 Daniel Mata: top. I wonder where I'm at. That was I guess 525 00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:54,720 Daniel Mata: my realization. So for the rest of the race, my 526 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,300 Daniel Mata: goal was I'm going to try to stick as close 527 00:32:57,300 --> 00:33:00,810 Daniel Mata: to this bike as I can, so I do not 528 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:04,590 Daniel Mata: get passed. So that was my thought process at the time. 529 00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:07,890 Becs Gentry: Oh, I love that. You suddenly realized you have a 530 00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:11,100 Becs Gentry: personal escort to Central Park West, essentially. 531 00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:14,100 Daniel Mata: It felt like. Yeah. 532 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,010 Becs Gentry: Yeah. And well deserved. That's such an awesome experience as 533 00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:21,000 Becs Gentry: well. Okay. Let's talk about some quickfire questions for running 534 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,620 Becs Gentry: here just so we can find a bit more about you. 535 00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:23,070 Daniel Mata: Yeah. 536 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,820 Becs Gentry: Your running journey quickfire question. Your best run. 537 00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:28,710 Daniel Mata: Ever? 538 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:29,520 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 539 00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:31,320 Daniel Mata: New York City. 540 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,220 Becs Gentry: Yay. Worst? 541 00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:35,221 Daniel Mata: It was just so much fun. 542 00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:35,461 Becs Gentry: What was your worst run? 543 00:33:35,461 --> 00:33:42,510 Daniel Mata: Probably any of the one- mile races I've done. I am not a miler. 544 00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:47,040 Becs Gentry: Me neither. I'd been with you. They're disgusting. Have you 545 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,709 Becs Gentry: got a training disaster that comes to the top of 546 00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:50,160 Becs Gentry: your mind? 547 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:50,700 Daniel Mata: Oh yeah. 548 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:52,980 Becs Gentry: One you can talk about? 549 00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:58,860 Daniel Mata: Yeah. Sure. Two weeks out from Chicago Marathon last year 550 00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:02,760 Daniel Mata: I was with one of my training partners in his 551 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,210 Daniel Mata: name is Josh Behuniak and his coach at the time 552 00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,810 Daniel Mata: had given him a workout and it was a pretty 553 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:14,610 Daniel Mata: big workout. It was like a 22- mile- long run, 18 miles over under 554 00:34:14,969 --> 00:34:18,299 Daniel Mata: pace, like goal pace. So we were both shooting to 555 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,290 Daniel Mata: try to break 230 at the time, and neither of 556 00:34:22,290 --> 00:34:26,069 Daniel Mata: us ended up breaking 230 at Chicago. But that day, 557 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,080 Daniel Mata: two weeks out when we were training on the trails, 558 00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:30,660 Daniel Mata: it was raining. It was raining a ton, so it 559 00:34:30,660 --> 00:34:34,020 Daniel Mata: was coming down. Everything was super slick and somehow, I 560 00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:36,060 Daniel Mata: mean, there were still people out on the trail, so 561 00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:40,410 Daniel Mata: shout out Columbus for having that mindset, but there were so many people on 562 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,580 Daniel Mata: the trail still, and at some point there's this group 563 00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:48,779 Daniel Mata: of people, they're unfortunately taking over the whole trail, so 564 00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:51,660 Daniel Mata: we're trying to pass them and they're on the bike path, 565 00:34:51,660 --> 00:34:54,450 Daniel Mata: so it's really the only section that you can run 566 00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:58,739 Daniel Mata: on that is dry ish. And so we call out, 567 00:34:58,739 --> 00:35:01,739 Daniel Mata: we're on your left, and then they move to the 568 00:35:01,739 --> 00:35:04,320 Daniel Mata: left. So then we have to pivot and move to 569 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,960 Daniel Mata: the right and we end up on the grass, but 570 00:35:06,989 --> 00:35:09,840 Daniel Mata: it's so muddy before I know we're all on the 571 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,280 Daniel Mata: ground, we finish out the run, but throughout the run 572 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,190 Daniel Mata: I can feel like, " Oh, my wrist hurts. What's going 573 00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:19,500 Daniel Mata: on?" And so by the time I finished the run, I'm 574 00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:23,760 Daniel Mata: like, I can barely move my wrist. And I realized 575 00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:27,030 Daniel Mata: I'd also left one of the lights inside of my 576 00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:30,690 Daniel Mata: car on that day. So my battery died and it 577 00:35:30,690 --> 00:35:33,239 Daniel Mata: was like we were waiting out there for an hour 578 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,650 Daniel Mata: and a half, two hours in the rain for one 579 00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:41,968 Daniel Mata: of my car insurance techs to come out and jump 580 00:35:41,969 --> 00:35:44,671 Daniel Mata: my car. And then I had to go to the urgent care after that. So that was a fantastic.. Fantastic. 581 00:35:44,671 --> 00:35:49,049 Becs Gentry: And that was two weeks out of Chicago. 582 00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:50,669 Daniel Mata: Yeah. It was like two weeks out. 583 00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:53,640 Becs Gentry: And you still ran an astonishing race two weeks later. 584 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:54,569 Daniel Mata: Yeah. That was still a very good race for me. 585 00:35:54,660 --> 00:36:01,050 Becs Gentry: Yeah. Okay. Last question for you. Now that you've claimed 586 00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:04,230 Becs Gentry: victory this year, set your personal record over the marathon 587 00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:07,980 Becs Gentry: distance, what goals or races are exciting you for the 588 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:08,489 Becs Gentry: coming year? 589 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:13,710 Daniel Mata: Yeah. I'm really looking forward to racing more here in the city. That was my 590 00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:18,150 Daniel Mata: first race with NYR was the marathon. So next year 591 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,259 Daniel Mata: I'll be doing the Manhattan 10K, hopefully get into the half- 592 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:26,520 Daniel Mata: marathon, and then right a month after that I'm giving 593 00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:29,850 Daniel Mata: Boston a second try, so I'll be out there as well. 594 00:36:31,469 --> 00:36:34,739 Becs Gentry: That sounds like a really exciting year ahead, Dan, you 595 00:36:34,739 --> 00:36:37,980 Becs Gentry: thank you so much for your time today. Thank you 596 00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:42,900 Becs Gentry: for being such an inspiration and representing the non- binary 597 00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:47,009 Becs Gentry: divisions of running with such pride and a wonderful smile 598 00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:49,500 Becs Gentry: and a lot of strength. We can't wait to see 599 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,049 Becs Gentry: you at more and more of the New York Road Runners races 600 00:36:52,050 --> 00:36:53,850 Becs Gentry: next year. Congratulations again. 601 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,510 Daniel Mata: Yeah. Thank you so much. 602 00:36:54,509 --> 00:37:00,300 Becs Gentry: Joel Reichow is one of the most exciting if surprising stars 603 00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:04,770 Becs Gentry: to emerge from the 2025 running season. A member of 604 00:37:04,770 --> 00:37:08,400 Becs Gentry: the Minnesota Distance Elite team, Joel juggles marathon training with 605 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,460 Becs Gentry: a part- time job at a running store, but even 606 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:15,000 Becs Gentry: so has continuously chipped away at his times, winning Grandma's 607 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,420 Becs Gentry: Marathon this past summer, and then shocking the running world 608 00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:22,020 Becs Gentry: by finishing sixths at the TCS and New York City Marathon 609 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:30,180 Becs Gentry: with a 2:09: 56 negative split run. Today this legend 610 00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:33,780 Becs Gentry: is here to discuss his journey from the Minnesota trails 611 00:37:33,810 --> 00:37:36,989 Becs Gentry: to the five boroughs of New York City. Welcome to 612 00:37:36,989 --> 00:37:38,580 Becs Gentry: the show, Joel. Thanks for being here. 613 00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:40,049 Joel Reichow: Hey, thanks for having me on. 614 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:46,140 Becs Gentry: We are so thrilled. Well, especially I'm so thrilled to talk 615 00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:50,520 Becs Gentry: to you because I among with millions of other people, 616 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:54,750 Becs Gentry: were privy to watching this incredible race that you ran 617 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:57,779 Becs Gentry: just over a week ago here in New York City. 618 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:03,000 Becs Gentry: And as a semi- professional runner myself, it was absolutely 619 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,040 Becs Gentry: astonishing to watch, and I can't wait to dive into 620 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,060 Becs Gentry: it and hear about how you got there because it 621 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,270 Becs Gentry: feels like it was a journey right after last year's 622 00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:16,230 Becs Gentry: New York Marathon, you placed 20th, which is by no 623 00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:21,660 Becs Gentry: means at all, a bad spot to finish, but for 624 00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:26,580 Becs Gentry: a competitive runner, it is compelling you, and you wrote 625 00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:29,430 Becs Gentry: that you wanted to do more. It left you feeling 626 00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:31,440 Becs Gentry: like you wanted to do more. So talk us through 627 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,009 Becs Gentry: what happened from the finish line of the 2024 TCS New 628 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,790 Becs Gentry: City Marathon to the start line of the 2025 race. 629 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:44,250 Joel Reichow: I feel like it took me a little bit to get going last year after New 630 00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:47,460 Joel Reichow: York. I think I had a few tough races early 631 00:38:47,460 --> 00:38:52,469 Joel Reichow: on. So I did a half in January in Naples 632 00:38:52,469 --> 00:38:56,250 Joel Reichow: that was super hot and humid, and that was pretty 633 00:38:56,250 --> 00:39:01,469 Joel Reichow: rough on me. And then after that, I think the 634 00:39:01,469 --> 00:39:07,230 Joel Reichow: USA TF half champs was February, so we went down 635 00:39:07,230 --> 00:39:10,710 Joel Reichow: to Albuquerque and we were there for about a week 636 00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:13,950 Joel Reichow: and then went to the half champs, and that was 637 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:20,790 Joel Reichow: another pretty rough race. I was still pretty early on, but starting 638 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:22,590 Joel Reichow: to be like, it could be a good day or 639 00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:26,160 Joel Reichow: it could be tough. And turned out I'm the tough 640 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,969 Joel Reichow: side of things and then spent some time in Albuquerque 641 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,290 Joel Reichow: training with teammates, and I think things started rolling a little 642 00:39:34,290 --> 00:39:37,770 Joel Reichow: bit there. And then looking at grandma I was like, 643 00:39:38,430 --> 00:39:40,260 Joel Reichow: I want to try and go for it all, and I 644 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,480 Joel Reichow: think there's a lot of tough competition, but I think 645 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,390 Joel Reichow: it's something that's possible for me. And so I just 646 00:39:45,810 --> 00:39:48,180 Joel Reichow: hit the ground running focused on that, and that was 647 00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:51,299 Joel Reichow: the big target for the goal. Nothing else was really 648 00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:53,790 Joel Reichow: too on my mind for that buildup. 649 00:39:54,569 --> 00:39:59,520 Becs Gentry: And then after, to go back to training there, you said you 650 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,730 Becs Gentry: train with some teammates in Albuquerque. Was that a conscious 651 00:40:02,730 --> 00:40:05,670 Becs Gentry: decision to be in a slightly different location? Because that's 652 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:06,989 Becs Gentry: different to where you normally train, right? 653 00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:10,650 Joel Reichow: Yep. Yeah. We fortunately had the opportunity to go down 654 00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:15,600 Joel Reichow: to Albuquerque for ... I think it was five weeks. And 655 00:40:15,630 --> 00:40:18,180 Joel Reichow: getting out of Minnesota in the winter is very helpful. 656 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:20,820 Joel Reichow: It's very tough to train here in the winter, so 657 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,050 Joel Reichow: I definitely jumped on that opportunity. I was like, "I know I 658 00:40:25,050 --> 00:40:27,180 Joel Reichow: have to take a little time off of work," and 659 00:40:27,989 --> 00:40:31,620 Joel Reichow: that's not ideal because I wasn't somebody that was sponsored, 660 00:40:32,219 --> 00:40:34,620 Joel Reichow: but I was like, " I feel like I can financially 661 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:37,739 Joel Reichow: take that." So I think that was a super good 662 00:40:37,739 --> 00:40:40,560 Joel Reichow: experience and very helpful to get out of the winter here. 663 00:40:41,219 --> 00:40:46,620 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. And so that led you into your training for 664 00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:50,250 Becs Gentry: Grandma's Marathon. And then so Grandma's is taking you back 665 00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:52,890 Becs Gentry: home essentially in a way, right? 666 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,600 Joel Reichow: Yep. Yeah. It's always one I try and do most 667 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,670 Joel Reichow: years. This is the first time I've done the full 668 00:40:59,670 --> 00:41:01,410 Joel Reichow: there, so it was really cool to be part of 669 00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:05,100 Joel Reichow: that. But it's home course if I have the opportunity 670 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:06,150 Joel Reichow: to come back there, I will. 671 00:41:07,170 --> 00:41:09,900 Becs Gentry: Great. And it wasn't the best of days there either 672 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:13,620 Becs Gentry: weather wise There was a pretty hefty storm that blew through 673 00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:17,100 Becs Gentry: and dumped some rain and wind and then that dried 674 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,380 Becs Gentry: up and it went quite humid. I'm sure by the 675 00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:22,020 Becs Gentry: time you finished the humidity hadn't kicked in and the 676 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:24,270 Becs Gentry: heat too much, but I know for the later finishers 677 00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:28,530 Becs Gentry: in the day, it was quite a roller coaster. So 678 00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:32,489 Becs Gentry: you obviously took first place there. Talk about how that 679 00:41:32,489 --> 00:41:36,779 Becs Gentry: felt after those couple of races starting off the year 680 00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:40,590 Becs Gentry: that weren't so great for you to feel that first 681 00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:43,109 Becs Gentry: time doing the full first time, taking the win. Talk 682 00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:45,000 Becs Gentry: us through how that felt for you from training. 683 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,049 Joel Reichow: Yeah. I've struggled a lot in my early on races 684 00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:52,530 Joel Reichow: and a little bit like peak heavy. It's something I probably need 685 00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:55,319 Joel Reichow: to work on being ready to race a little sooner. 686 00:41:56,130 --> 00:42:00,090 Joel Reichow: But that said, it's knowing that sometimes you do have 687 00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:03,090 Joel Reichow: bad races early on doesn't mean that the buildup is 688 00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:04,950 Joel Reichow: going to be bad. You just need to stick with 689 00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:13,680 Joel Reichow: it. Things will come together eventually. And then just trusting 690 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,489 Joel Reichow: myself, I was familiar with the second half of the course. 691 00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:19,950 Joel Reichow: It was definitely a nice feeling to be like, okay, I 692 00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:24,870 Joel Reichow: know what to expect here and know how much to 693 00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:28,350 Joel Reichow: gauge my effort a little bit as well. So it's 694 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:31,980 Joel Reichow: nice to be able to have a course that you've seen before. 695 00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:35,459 Becs Gentry: Mm- hmm. Truly. Yeah. that's why a lot of people 696 00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:40,560 Becs Gentry: love coming back to all these races. So when you 697 00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:47,460 Becs Gentry: finished 20th place for the TCS 2024 New York City Marathon, you obviously, I'm sure went 698 00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:50,580 Becs Gentry: through a mindset change and you've acknowledged that you've had 699 00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:55,529 Becs Gentry: to take some risks and you've had to put yourself 700 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,100 Becs Gentry: as you wrote in a position to be successful. Now 701 00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:02,430 Becs Gentry: coming in to 2025 after obviously a win at Grandma's and 702 00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:05,640 Becs Gentry: I'm sure then some tweaks and some maintenance in many 703 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,870 Becs Gentry: ways to your training in between June and November let's 704 00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:14,100 Becs Gentry: look at this race. Joel, you hit halfway in 1: 05: 705 00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:18,420 Becs Gentry: 21. You close the second half in 1: 04: 35. 706 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,050 Becs Gentry: And you just mentioned it is very much about knowing 707 00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:24,540 Becs Gentry: the course, knowing your race when you are out there. 708 00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:28,439 Becs Gentry: So talk to me about that. For New York, how 709 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:34,200 Becs Gentry: did you decide on that solid conservative opening and them just 710 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,991 Becs Gentry: like, bam, Pulaski Bridge, let's hammer it. What was that in your brain? 711 00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:42,330 Joel Reichow: It was experience from last year. I felt like last 712 00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:44,790 Joel Reichow: year I put myself in a bad spot by not 713 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,480 Joel Reichow: going with people and not trusting myself. So this year 714 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,610 Joel Reichow: I was like, I need to do whatever I can 715 00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:53,700 Joel Reichow: to just get myself in it. After that bridge, after 716 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:57,420 Joel Reichow: that, you'll be fine, but you need to get yourself 717 00:43:57,420 --> 00:44:00,330 Joel Reichow: in a position. Around then about when I figured things 718 00:44:00,330 --> 00:44:02,940 Joel Reichow: would happen. Usually if it goes out a little slower, 719 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:05,969 Joel Reichow: it's probably going to break up either a little bit 720 00:44:05,969 --> 00:44:10,468 Joel Reichow: before Queensboro or right at there. So it's probably what's 721 00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:11,430 Joel Reichow: going to happen here. 722 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:17,010 Becs Gentry: Yeah. So you're watching your colleagues, your peers around you 723 00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:19,410 Becs Gentry: as you are out there on the course. Where were 724 00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:22,380 Becs Gentry: you at position wise at the Pulaski Bridge, the halfway point? 725 00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:27,480 Joel Reichow: I was sitting last in the pack for pretty much 726 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,960 Joel Reichow: the first half of the race. Maybe moved up a 727 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,560 Joel Reichow: couple of people on the bridge, but then really coming 728 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,109 Joel Reichow: down the bridge is where I made it happen. That's where I started- 729 00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:38,550 Becs Gentry: Coming down the Queensboro Bridge. 730 00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:38,820 Joel Reichow: Yep. 731 00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:43,319 Becs Gentry: Amazing. And so you made the move basically through Thunder 732 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,100 Becs Gentry: Alley and then up onto to that First Avenue slog all 733 00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:48,420 Becs Gentry: the way up the Bronx. 734 00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:53,009 Joel Reichow: Yeah. It took me a while to catch that chase pack, so 735 00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:56,520 Joel Reichow: I probably didn't catch them to probably close to 17 736 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,460 Joel Reichow: miles. And then I sat behind them for a moment 737 00:44:59,550 --> 00:45:02,400 Joel Reichow: and I was like, I feel like it's settled too 738 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,350 Joel Reichow: much. I feel like I need to take this over 739 00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:06,930 Joel Reichow: and try and reel in the front pack a little 740 00:45:06,930 --> 00:45:08,190 Joel Reichow: bit. Keep them in range. 741 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,020 Becs Gentry: Mm- hmm. And what does that decision feel like? Could 742 00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:15,149 Becs Gentry: you see the front pack at that point? 743 00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:18,180 Joel Reichow: Yep. Yeah. We could see them. It wasn't a situation 744 00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:20,310 Joel Reichow: where I'm like, " Oh, I think I can go chase 745 00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:22,290 Joel Reichow: them down." It was too far away for me to 746 00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:26,550 Joel Reichow: really put a surge in and chase, but I was like, " I want 747 00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:29,009 Joel Reichow: to keep them in range. Marathon's a long race, a 748 00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:31,440 Joel Reichow: lot of things could happen. Just try and keep them 749 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,850 Joel Reichow: in range. Be smart." 750 00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:38,670 Becs Gentry: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think all of our listeners who are regular 751 00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:41,520 Becs Gentry: runners know that it's much more fun to run with 752 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,000 Becs Gentry: a pack. So essentially that applies to elite runners too. 753 00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:48,510 Becs Gentry: It's not fun being in no man's land by yourself, 754 00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:52,739 Becs Gentry: trucking away at these miles. So when you came on 755 00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:56,880 Becs Gentry: up through, you hung on to that positioning, your six 756 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,020 Becs Gentry: positioning for quite a while there. It looked like you 757 00:46:01,020 --> 00:46:03,900 Becs Gentry: were in a nice place. Did it feel good for that last 758 00:46:04,469 --> 00:46:05,430 Becs Gentry: nine miles? 759 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:10,260 Joel Reichow: Yeah. There's definitely a few moments in any marathon where 760 00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:12,900 Joel Reichow: you're like oh, okay, we still got a ways to 761 00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:19,320 Joel Reichow: go here. My quads were pretty beat up by 19 762 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,060 Joel Reichow: ish in. So it was like, okay, trust myself. We've 763 00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:26,460 Joel Reichow: got this group here, grab onto them for a bit. 764 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,450 Joel Reichow: So there's definitely like any marathon is going to have 765 00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:32,370 Joel Reichow: a few moments of self- doubt. You just need to 766 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,600 Joel Reichow: trust yourself, know your effort and keep things measured. 767 00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:40,710 Becs Gentry: Mm- hmm. Absolutely. Do you have anything that helps you dig 768 00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:44,550 Becs Gentry: really deep in those moments where you know you ... Nine miles isn't 769 00:46:44,670 --> 00:46:49,170 Becs Gentry: a short distance to be in discomfort for. Is there 770 00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:51,239 Becs Gentry: anything that you tell yourself in those moments? 771 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,180 Joel Reichow: One phrase that I like is, you're doing fine. You're 772 00:46:57,180 --> 00:47:01,500 Joel Reichow: just feeling lazy. Sometimes it's like you know it's there, you just 773 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,080 Joel Reichow: don't want to fight that hard and you just need 774 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,730 Joel Reichow: to remind yourself you're going to be okay. 775 00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:08,430 Becs Gentry: Yeah. I like that. You're going to be okay. You just got to get to 776 00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:10,380 Becs Gentry: the finish line. You're going to be okay once you're 777 00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:12,900 Becs Gentry: there. Okay. So you've come over the finish line in 778 00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:16,080 Becs Gentry: this magnificent 2: 09:56, which by the way I understand 779 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,489 Becs Gentry: was a 42nd PR for you as well. Wow. You 780 00:47:20,489 --> 00:47:23,010 Becs Gentry: see those numbers now, you see your PR, you see 781 00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:28,770 Becs Gentry: your progress over the last year. Does this breakthrough race, 782 00:47:28,770 --> 00:47:31,770 Becs Gentry: does it make you change your outlook on your career 783 00:47:31,770 --> 00:47:32,189 Becs Gentry: at all? 784 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,230 Joel Reichow: No. I feel like I always knew fitness was there. It was just 785 00:47:37,230 --> 00:47:41,190 Joel Reichow: a matter of continually putting things together and making progress. 786 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,719 Joel Reichow: It definitely is a nice feeling to get that PR 787 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,259 Joel Reichow: get under 2: 10, but I've always got big goals, 788 00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:53,310 Joel Reichow: so it doesn't dramatically change things. I still have big 789 00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:56,280 Joel Reichow: goals. I still want to keep pushing forward. So it's still 790 00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:57,540 Joel Reichow: same mindset. 791 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:01,049 Becs Gentry: Good. We like that. That's what makes you who you are 792 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,770 Becs Gentry: as well. So after New York, obviously it's such a 793 00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:08,640 Becs Gentry: high profile race, your social media doubled if not more, 794 00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:11,580 Becs Gentry: I'm sure. I'm guessing you're starting to receive calls from 795 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,170 Becs Gentry: agents and sponsors. As somebody who has self describes themselves 796 00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:19,020 Becs Gentry: as an introvert in the past, how does it feel 797 00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:21,989 Becs Gentry: now to be somewhat in the spotlight of the running world? 798 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,819 Joel Reichow: Yeah. It's a lot. It's super cool. I know it's 799 00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:29,520 Joel Reichow: part of the sport. I would still love going out and 800 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,210 Joel Reichow: competing, even if zero people knew who I was and I 801 00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:36,719 Joel Reichow: didn't get any attention. But it's helpful. Brands pay attention 802 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,469 Joel Reichow: to that a lot. So it's important. And obviously I 803 00:48:40,469 --> 00:48:42,660 Joel Reichow: appreciate all the support. It's super cool to hear. 804 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,590 Becs Gentry: I'm sure you're an inspiration to a lot of people. 805 00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:50,850 Becs Gentry: So you've got ... We're all, whether we're athletes or not, 806 00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:54,540 Becs Gentry: we've got the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics ahead of us. 807 00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:57,690 Becs Gentry: Are you willing to share any of your goals around 808 00:48:57,690 --> 00:49:00,090 Becs Gentry: that date or anything that you've got between now and then? 809 00:49:00,989 --> 00:49:03,630 Joel Reichow: I feel like everybody else's goal is to make the 810 00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:05,760 Joel Reichow: team. It's a long ways away. There's going to be 811 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,300 Joel Reichow: a lot of people in the mix, so just slowly trying to chip away 812 00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:11,460 Joel Reichow: at that, make it seem more and more real. 813 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,319 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. And your coach with the Minnesota Distance Elite crew 814 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,930 Becs Gentry: that is Coach Chris Lundstrom still. 815 00:49:19,230 --> 00:49:19,440 Joel Reichow: Yep. 816 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,070 Becs Gentry: And how are you guys feeling together about how your 817 00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:25,650 Becs Gentry: progression is going to shape moving forward over the next 818 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,299 Becs Gentry: three years, let's say? 819 00:49:28,290 --> 00:49:30,930 Joel Reichow: We haven't really talked too much since New York. I'll 820 00:49:30,930 --> 00:49:34,080 Joel Reichow: see him later today, but I think it's still going to be 821 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,230 Joel Reichow: same thing. We just keep trying to progress, keep doing 822 00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:39,660 Joel Reichow: what we're doing. Obviously it's been working well, so just 823 00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:42,120 Joel Reichow: keep this trajectory, keep this momentum. 824 00:49:42,810 --> 00:49:48,000 Becs Gentry: Awesome. This has been so cool to get a little insight 825 00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:52,020 Becs Gentry: into how you just really performed on a huge stage 826 00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:56,100 Becs Gentry: under huge spotlight in an incredible way, getting that textbook 827 00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:01,290 Becs Gentry: negative split marathon. Huge props to you. Whatever you guys 828 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:04,440 Becs Gentry: have been doing between Grandma's and now is clearly paying 829 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,230 Becs Gentry: off dividends for you. So I hope that you get 830 00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:10,980 Becs Gentry: to escape the Minnesota winter again this year and continue 831 00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:11,580 Becs Gentry: to train. 832 00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:12,090 Joel Reichow: Yeah. 833 00:50:12,750 --> 00:50:14,790 Becs Gentry: Well, Joel, thank you so much for sharing with us 834 00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:17,730 Becs Gentry: today. And congratulations one more time on your awesome performance 835 00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:18,120 Becs Gentry: this year. 836 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,469 Joel Reichow: Yeah. Thanks for having me on. 837 00:50:20,010 --> 00:50:22,620 Becs Gentry: And now it's time for today's Meb Minute. 838 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 6: After a big race, you feel normal, feel proud, but 839 00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:35,700 Speaker 6: then sometimes depends on the race you feel empty and what's 840 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 6: next? Sometimes you think you've been going, going for 12 841 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,870 Speaker 6: weeks, 16 weeks, 18 weeks on one or two goals. 842 00:50:42,930 --> 00:50:47,370 Speaker 6: And when those goals are met, it's exciting, it's amazing, 843 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,170 Speaker 6: but sometimes it hits everybody. It's like, what's next? And 844 00:50:52,170 --> 00:50:53,700 Speaker 6: don't be in a rush to sign up for a 845 00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,760 Speaker 6: marathon. And then if you're doing the six stars or 846 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,549 Speaker 6: seven stars, it's good to sign up, but don't be 847 00:50:59,550 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 6: so much in a rush. And I know sometimes qualifying 848 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,840 Speaker 6: and those things can be an obstacle, but take a 849 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,469 Speaker 6: deep breath, refocus, re- energize, and want to sign up 850 00:51:10,469 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 6: for the next smaller races sometimes it's good to be able to that. It's okay to be 851 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:20,610 Speaker 6: missing a structure. Sometimes we are 5: 00 A. M. 6:00 A.M. 852 00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:23,790 Speaker 6: whatever it is. But in other times now after the 853 00:51:23,790 --> 00:51:27,718 Speaker 6: race, it's like sleep in, hang out with friends, have 854 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,580 Speaker 6: a donut. You like to have Snickers sometimes. I have a sweet 855 00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:35,250 Speaker 6: tooth. So do whatever that you wouldn't do when you're 856 00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:39,300 Speaker 6: in training and enjoy that. It's okay to do a pause 857 00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 6: and meet reconnect friends. I don't go to a lot 858 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,900 Speaker 6: of vacations personally, but I love spending time with friends 859 00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,140 Speaker 6: and family after a run. And especially with my mom, 860 00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:51,900 Speaker 6: I love having a coffee and the Eritrean coffee or 861 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 6: Ethiopian coffee. It's an hour and a half to two 862 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,440 Speaker 6: hour ordeal. So I enjoy that and put my phone 863 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,140 Speaker 6: away just have time with my parents and family and 864 00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:06,270 Speaker 6: friends. But when you go back to running, even though 865 00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:10,799 Speaker 6: you're not running, walking is okay. Stretching is okay. And reflecting 866 00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:13,890 Speaker 6: and looking back on what you can do. Some things 867 00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:16,710 Speaker 6: I tell my runners or others, write three things that 868 00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:20,460 Speaker 6: went well, three things that didn't go well. Evaluate, reflect 869 00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:24,029 Speaker 6: back. And in that time you're not running think about 870 00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:25,890 Speaker 6: how you could improve those things. So when you come 871 00:52:25,890 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 6: back, you already have some ideas of what you want 872 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:34,260 Speaker 6: to start. Rest is not a sign of weakness, even 873 00:52:34,260 --> 00:52:37,650 Speaker 6: at the elite level rest is wise choice and be 874 00:52:37,650 --> 00:52:42,510 Speaker 6: able to say, Hey, decompress, take a break and then 875 00:52:42,540 --> 00:52:45,450 Speaker 6: come back with full swing to say, Hey, I miss 876 00:52:45,450 --> 00:52:48,480 Speaker 6: running, I have enough time to recover from the marathon 877 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,550 Speaker 6: that I have done now it's time to be able to 878 00:52:50,550 --> 00:52:54,780 Speaker 6: just enjoy the process again. I love training. I love 879 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 6: getting ready for a marathon. And the reason is the journey 880 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,630 Speaker 6: and the process that gets you to the starting line and 881 00:53:00,630 --> 00:53:05,489 Speaker 6: you see the progress that is done weekly, monthly, and 882 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,819 Speaker 6: eventually to the season. So have fun. Take the break 883 00:53:08,820 --> 00:53:11,460 Speaker 6: when you need them, but at the same time, be 884 00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 6: hungry for the next one. 885 00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:16,350 Becs Gentry: That does it for another episode of Set The Pace. 886 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,190 Becs Gentry: Thank you so much to today's fabulous guests, Fiona O'Keefe, 887 00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:23,940 Becs Gentry: Joel Reichow, and Daniel Mata. If you liked this episode, 888 00:53:23,969 --> 00:53:27,480 Becs Gentry: please go ahead and subscribe, rate, or leave a comment 889 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,570 Becs Gentry: for the show on whatever platform you're listening on. This 890 00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:33,359 Becs Gentry: not only helps us, but it helps others find out 891 00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:35,460 Becs Gentry: about the show too. Take care.