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The first woman to finish for the second 0:00:44.729 --> 0:00:48.479 straight year here in the New York City Marathon is Miki Gorman, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.990 a smiling Miki Gorman. And why not? 2: 29:30, the 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.640 time for Grete Waitz. Look at the emotion of Shalane Flanagan as she comes to 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.480 the line. Pointing to his chest, pointing to the USA he 0:01:00.690 --> 0:01:04.170 so proudly wears across his chest. A great day for 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:10.110 Meb Keflezighi. 0:01:10.110 --> 0:01:12.990 Hey everybody, and welcome to Set the Pace, the official 0:01:12.990 --> 0:01:16.740 podcast of New York Road Runners, presented by Peloton. I'm 0:01:16.740 --> 0:01:19.380 your host, Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of New York Road Runners. 0:01:19.380 --> 0:01:23.068 And with me, as she is every week, Peloton instructor 0:01:23.069 --> 0:01:27.000 extraordinaire, Becs Gentry. Hello, Becs, how are you today? 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:33.120 Good, thank you, just surviving this cold weather here in 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.959 New York City. But weirdly, people keep telling me to 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.800 start running. I am really enjoying running outside in this 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.160 cold. Now, I know what you're all thinking, " Just because 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.380 you went to Antarctica, shut up. Blah, blah, blah, blah, 0:01:46.380 --> 0:01:50.490 blah." It's misleading because you think, " Oh, I'm just going 0:01:50.490 --> 0:01:51.570 to get out there and have a little bit of 0:01:51.570 --> 0:01:53.850 vitamin D on my face." And then you realize your face 0:01:53.850 --> 0:01:57.419 is totally covered. So I'm actually forcing myself to run 0:01:57.420 --> 0:02:00.510 inside a little bit more because I know me, I'll 0:02:00.510 --> 0:02:03.390 end up getting sick. And I don't need to be 0:02:03.390 --> 0:02:05.490 running outside, I'm not in a training block. So I'm 0:02:05.550 --> 0:02:07.890 teaching myself that the gym is the better place for 0:02:07.890 --> 0:02:08.311 me right now. 0:02:08.311 --> 0:02:11.880 You know it's funny with running in the cold, and I experienced 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.900 all of this on Saturday at the Joe Kleinerman 10K that we 0:02:15.900 --> 0:02:20.190 had in Central Park, you have this mental barrier to 0:02:20.190 --> 0:02:23.070 the run, at least I do. Because you look out 0:02:23.070 --> 0:02:25.889 there and you're like, " This is not a day I'm 0:02:25.889 --> 0:02:29.280 supposed to be going outside." I woke up before dawn 0:02:29.580 --> 0:02:34.080 on Saturday morning, snow was falling and it just was like, " 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.239 I'm going to run a race right now?" And I 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.960 drove down that morning actually from Connecticut and get to 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.330 the park, the sun starts to come up and all 0:02:42.330 --> 0:02:45.360 the runners are there. By the way, we had a great 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:50.669 turnout on Saturday, just about 5, 000 runners came. And I 0:02:50.669 --> 0:02:52.530 stood at the starting line and I spoke to the crowd and I said, " 0:02:53.010 --> 0:02:57.419 You know what? It is an absolutely beautiful day to 0:02:57.419 --> 0:03:03.330 run." Because the snow had stopped and, Becs, the park looked 0:03:03.330 --> 0:03:05.401 like a postcard on Saturday morning. 0:03:05.401 --> 0:03:05.402 I'm sure, yeah. 0:03:05.402 --> 0:03:09.930 It was so beautiful. The snow kind of arranged itself perfectly 0:03:09.930 --> 0:03:12.330 for us. It was on the grass and on the 0:03:12.330 --> 0:03:15.870 trees, but the road was totally fine. So people had 0:03:15.870 --> 0:03:18.720 great footing to run on and it was a gorgeous 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.510 day to run. And it took me a while to get 0:03:21.510 --> 0:03:24.090 my head around running, but as you say, once I 0:03:24.090 --> 0:03:27.960 got going, it just felt amazing. And I ended up 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.660 running the 10K and then a lot, lot more that 0:03:30.660 --> 0:03:33.480 day because I am, and we'll talk about this in 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.720 a later episode, maybe training for something right now. But 0:03:36.780 --> 0:03:40.500 it went great. I felt amazing. And sometimes when it's 0:03:40.500 --> 0:03:43.770 cold like that, you just feel like you could run forever 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:45.450 and maybe that's what it was like for you in 0:03:45.450 --> 0:03:48.600 Antarctica. I don't know. I certainly felt that way on Saturday. I felt 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.520 great after a long, long run. 0:03:50.940 --> 0:03:57.030 Yeah, it's true, you just settle in. You settle in and 0:03:57.180 --> 0:03:59.010 you get it done, as long as you don't get 0:03:59.010 --> 0:04:01.800 too hot. I mean, I imagine to some of the 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:06.840 incredible athletes who raced the 10K on Saturday, we're going 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.780 to go through the winners very shortly, but then your 0:04:09.780 --> 0:04:13.260 body's gotten to a heat level and a sweat level 0:04:13.260 --> 0:04:17.970 that isn't necessarily conducive to continuing a steady- state run 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.250 in that weather. But yeah, if you keep it chill, 0:04:20.850 --> 0:04:23.370 excuse the pun, you'll be good. 0:04:23.370 --> 0:04:26.400 Yeah, it's all about those layering decisions and you want to be 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.520 comfortable enough at the start that you're not just getting 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.880 frostbite. But as your body heats up, to have the 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.029 ability to take a bit off here, take a bit 0:04:36.029 --> 0:04:39.420 off there, lower a zipper, open a vent, and give 0:04:39.420 --> 0:04:42.810 yourself what you need to get through that run. And 0:04:42.810 --> 0:04:46.500 I was, I was discarding things as I passed the 0:04:46.500 --> 0:04:48.839 finish line because I kept running after the race and 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.790 I handed off a jacket and a hat and some 0:04:50.790 --> 0:04:54.660 gloves and felt great as I kept going. So it 0:04:54.660 --> 0:04:56.909 was awesome and it was a great day. Thanks to 0:04:56.910 --> 0:05:00.330 everybody who came out for the Joe K 10K celebrating 0:05:00.330 --> 0:05:03.570 Joe Kleinerman, a legend at New York Road Runners, a 0:05:03.570 --> 0:05:07.229 man who volunteered 45 years of his life to this 0:05:07.230 --> 0:05:09.121 organization and making running a better sport. 0:05:09.121 --> 0:05:09.122 A legend. 0:05:09.122 --> 0:05:12.810 An incredible individual and that we're thrilled to honor every 0:05:12.810 --> 0:05:16.919 year. And the winners on Saturday, it was Brooke Starn 0:05:17.310 --> 0:05:20.640 of Central Park Track Club Tracksmith with a winning time 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:25.170 of 35:56 in the brisk conditions. The non- binary winner 0:05:25.170 --> 0:05:29.219 was Elijah Taylor, 35: 32. And for the men it 0:05:29.220 --> 0:05:34.860 was Jaouad El Jazouli with a time of 30: 25 from 0:05:34.860 --> 0:05:38.849 the Garden State Track Club. That is a blistering 10K. 0:05:39.870 --> 0:05:41.221 He was running for his hot chocolate. 0:05:41.221 --> 0:05:44.190 That's right, everybody was. We had bagels, we had all 0:05:45.029 --> 0:05:46.920 the things you wanted at the end. So it was a 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.700 great, great day. Congratulations to everybody who came out on 0:05:50.700 --> 0:05:54.000 a really, really beautiful morning on Saturday. And Becs, by 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.150 the way, we've got some exciting new stuff coming out 0:05:57.150 --> 0:05:59.820 on Peloton right now with New York Road Runners. 0:05:59.820 --> 0:05:59.820 We do. 0:05:59.820 --> 0:06:01.919 Talk about that. I'll let you give that news- 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:01.981 We do. 0:06:01.981 --> 0:06:03.659 ... because it's really cool- looking stuff. 0:06:04.650 --> 0:06:09.000 Oh, it really is. So basically for all of our Peloton Tread and 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.710 Tread+ users looking to stay inside or just wanting to 0:06:13.710 --> 0:06:17.940 check them out, we have released two new classes this 0:06:17.940 --> 0:06:22.830 week that we filmed at last year's New Balance 5th 0:06:22.830 --> 0:06:26.070 Avenue Mile. Okay? So you've got to head to the 0:06:26.070 --> 0:06:32.339 scenic library and you can run the iconic race alongside myself 0:06:32.430 --> 0:06:35.760 and some other very awesome New York Road Runners' Set 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.950 the Pace guests that we've had the pleasure of talking 0:06:37.950 --> 0:06:42.150 to, and my fellow instructors, Mariana, Alex K, and Matt 0:06:42.210 --> 0:06:46.170 Wilpers. I can't tell you the fun we had filming 0:06:46.170 --> 0:06:52.409 that day. Did we all run the ... I definitely ran 0:06:52.529 --> 0:06:56.220 the Mile. I think Matt Wilpers also did run the 0:06:56.220 --> 0:06:59.820 Mile. So we actually ran it ourselves and then we 0:06:59.820 --> 0:07:03.029 waited for everybody else to finish, all the various waves 0:07:03.029 --> 0:07:06.660 because as you know, the New York Road Runners New Balance 5th 0:07:06.660 --> 0:07:09.660 Avenue Mile has a lot of different waves and then 0:07:09.660 --> 0:07:13.410 the kids do their waves. And then we went to 0:07:13.410 --> 0:07:17.190 the course and we ran it bit by bit together. 0:07:17.190 --> 0:07:19.590 And I'm not going to give it all away, but go check 0:07:19.590 --> 0:07:23.520 it out. And then also, I believe there was a 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.960 Mariana special as well on there. So I'm really excited. Let 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.510 us know what you think of the classes and if 0:07:30.510 --> 0:07:34.170 it inspires you to sign up for any races perhaps. 0:07:34.170 --> 0:07:38.160 Absolutely. The 5th Avenue Mile is such an iconic stretch 0:07:38.460 --> 0:07:42.570 of road. It's such an amazing experience to run down 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.140 5th Avenue and it's just an amazing vibe. So I 0:07:46.140 --> 0:07:48.119 think that's a really cool thing to have on the 0:07:48.150 --> 0:07:50.580 treadmill for those who want to go experience that run 0:07:50.580 --> 0:07:53.700 fast on that treadmill and tear down 5th Avenue. I 0:07:53.700 --> 0:07:57.240 love that. So I'm looking forward to checking that out 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.120 and giving people a chance to experience that wherever they 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.450 are with all of these amazing Peloton instructors. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.570 Ready to level up your running? With the Peloton Tread 0:08:06.570 --> 0:08:10.620 and Tread+, you can challenge yourself anytime, anywhere. Whether you're 0:08:10.620 --> 0:08:13.650 building strength or working on speed, Peloton has a class 0:08:13.650 --> 0:08:18.630 for every goal from 5 to 120- minute workouts. With 0:08:18.630 --> 0:08:22.740 muscle building classes and flexible training options, you'll have everything 0:08:22.740 --> 0:08:25.890 you need to crush your next race and then recover 0:08:25.890 --> 0:08:30.030 from it. All- Access Membership separate. Find your push, find 0:08:30.030 --> 0:08:36.780 your power at onepeloton. com/ race- training. Peloton, the official 0:08:36.780 --> 0:08:38.939 digital fitness partner for New York Road Runners. 0:08:40.020 --> 0:08:43.860 Becs, we are going to your side of the pond today for our 0:08:44.100 --> 0:08:49.950 special guest, a fellow member of yours of Team GB 0:08:49.950 --> 0:08:53.490 joining us, Calli Hauger- Thackery. I'm sure this is someone 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.270 you know, Becs, from that British running community. Excited to 0:08:57.270 --> 0:08:57.630 talk to her? 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:02.370 So excited to talk to Calli. She is such a beautiful light 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:09.179 in the women's running community. Calli has recently absolutely crushed 0:09:09.179 --> 0:09:14.969 the 2024 California International Marathon record. She ran a 2: 0:09:14.970 --> 0:09:18.360 24. The previous was a 2: 26 and some change. So 0:09:18.750 --> 0:09:22.650 unreal, but I think what's super special is the day 0:09:22.650 --> 0:09:24.959 that her and her husband had an ... You got to 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.540 listen to find out a little bit more about that. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.490 She's setting her sights on 2025 Boston Marathon. And I 0:09:32.490 --> 0:09:35.730 think, Rob, I don't know about you, but the lineup 0:09:35.730 --> 0:09:40.050 for the women's elite field at Boston, day by day 0:09:40.260 --> 0:09:43.050 is becoming so very riveting. 0:09:43.110 --> 0:09:45.809 Yeah, it's going to be an amazing day in Boston. 0:09:45.809 --> 0:09:47.190 It's also going to be an amazing day in New 0:09:47.190 --> 0:09:50.969 York in March. And so when Calli joins us, we'll 0:09:50.970 --> 0:09:53.699 have a little something to say about the United Airlines 0:09:54.059 --> 0:09:57.300 NYC Half field as well. So teasing that in just a 0:09:57.450 --> 0:10:00.750 moment. And speaking of moment, the Member Moment today, of 0:10:00.750 --> 0:10:03.660 course, Meb Keflezighi will join us. And he's going to catch 0:10:03.660 --> 0:10:07.620 up with New York Road Runners' member, Danielle Grimley, a first- 0:10:07.620 --> 0:10:12.390 time marathoner who started the 24 TCS New York City Marathon 0:10:12.390 --> 0:10:15.179 out in Staten Island on foot, as most runners did, 0:10:15.570 --> 0:10:19.589 but finished the race in Central Park on crutches. But 0:10:19.590 --> 0:10:20.490 she did finish. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:20.941 She did. 0:10:20.941 --> 0:10:23.610 And she did an amazing job and has an amazing story to 0:10:23.610 --> 0:10:27.809 tell about getting there and ending up being a part 0:10:27.809 --> 0:10:32.850 of that incredible final finisher celebration we have after dark 0:10:33.090 --> 0:10:36.300 in Central Park. So Danielle is here to tell us 0:10:36.300 --> 0:10:39.990 that story and how that moment changed her forever. So 0:10:39.990 --> 0:10:43.679 I can't wait to hear Meb's conversation with Danielle Grimley 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.130 and her experience with the final finisher. And then Meb 0:10:47.130 --> 0:10:49.410 will be back with some words of advice for all 0:10:49.410 --> 0:10:51.720 you runners out there who are training for a spring 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:57.329 marathon during these cold, dark winter months. I'm going to 0:10:57.330 --> 0:10:59.010 be tuning in to listen to that one myself. I 0:10:59.010 --> 0:11:02.520 want to hear what Meb has to say because, let's 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.640 just say, I have never trained for a spring marathon 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.700 and I just want to hear what Meb has to 0:11:08.700 --> 0:11:10.920 say about that. So we'll talk more about that later. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.660 I want to hear what Rob's going to say about 0:11:12.660 --> 0:11:12.871 that too. 0:11:12.871 --> 0:11:17.610 Oh, the winter months. All I can say is make friends 0:11:17.610 --> 0:11:21.240 with a treadmill, whether it's a Peloton Tread or whatever 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.569 you can get your hands on because the daylight hours 0:11:24.570 --> 0:11:25.410 are just limited. 0:11:25.590 --> 0:11:25.710 Oh, gosh. 0:11:25.710 --> 0:11:27.211 And you got to do what you got to do. 0:11:27.211 --> 0:11:27.481 You do. 0:11:28.260 --> 0:11:29.820 It is what it is. 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She's been steadily making her mark on the 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.939 global running scene this past summer as a member of 0:12:11.940 --> 0:12:15.360 Team GB at the Paris Olympics, and most recently, a 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:20.429 thrilling win at the California International Marathon. Calli's now preparing 0:12:20.429 --> 0:12:23.550 to tackle one of the world's most prestigious races, the 0:12:23.550 --> 0:12:28.170 2025 Boston Marathon. And as part of her training, she's 0:12:28.170 --> 0:12:30.000 going to be joining us in New York, we're happy 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:36.480 to announce, for the 2025 United Airlines NYC Half. Calli, it 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.640 is great to have you here on Set the Pace. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.980 Welcome, and we're so thrilled to welcome you to New York. 0:12:41.429 --> 0:12:44.520 Thank you so much. New York, I love it. I'm excited to 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:50.910 be here, guys. It's just a great race. I'm lucky I've done it 0:12:50.910 --> 0:12:53.280 before so I kind of know what I'm getting myself 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.210 in for this time. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.630 Love it. Oh my gosh, Calli. Well, it's an honor to 0:12:57.630 --> 0:13:02.580 meet you from the GB side of things. It's been 0:13:02.580 --> 0:13:06.120 incredible to watch you flourish in your career because you 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:11.099 have really come into it with such a great attitude, 0:13:11.100 --> 0:13:16.050 a really lovely personality. You're so friendly and bubbly. And 0:13:16.050 --> 0:13:20.400 I think it's a change within the world of women's 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:24.809 sports to have that camaraderie and friendship amongst the females 0:13:24.809 --> 0:13:27.599 on the start line. So thank you for doing that 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:32.280 for our sport. And massive congratulations on CIM. Wow. 0:13:32.790 --> 0:13:34.530 Well, thank you for the compliment, first. That's a big 0:13:34.530 --> 0:13:39.270 compliment. Thank you. And secondly, CIM, super happy with it 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.940 considering the training beforehand wasn't the best prep. I'm going 0:13:44.940 --> 0:13:48.059 through some sleep apnea things. As an athlete, that was 0:13:48.059 --> 0:13:51.480 pretty daunting, so just getting on top of that now. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.179 So yeah, several days before, I had no sleep trying 0:13:54.179 --> 0:13:57.150 to figure this stuff out. So to pull off a 0:13:57.150 --> 0:14:00.300 win, I was very thrilled with in the end. I 0:14:00.300 --> 0:14:03.720 mean, Jackie made it very hard for me. I remember 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.790 looking back at one point being like, " Wow, I've got 0:14:05.790 --> 0:14:09.179 a race on my hands today." But it makes it 0:14:09.179 --> 0:14:12.540 fun and that's why I love racing. It's, you never 0:14:12.540 --> 0:14:14.340 know. I mean, she smashed it. She got a 3- 0:14:14.340 --> 0:14:17.370 minute PB, so she nearly got me at the final stages. 0:14:17.370 --> 0:14:19.530 And I just remember thinking, " I've got to turn the 0:14:19.530 --> 0:14:22.200 wheels now or else I'm not winning this race." 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:22.500 Absolutely. 0:14:22.740 --> 0:14:26.730 So no, it was a really cool, fun experience. 0:14:26.730 --> 0:14:29.550 Yeah, and I mean, you didn't just win it. You're 0:14:29.550 --> 0:14:32.040 being very humble here. You won it with a 2: 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:37.980 24 and you broke the previous course record by 90 0:14:37.980 --> 0:14:42.330 seconds or so, right? You are now the CIM record 0:14:42.330 --> 0:14:44.820 holder. It's just so cool. 0:14:45.450 --> 0:14:50.340 Thank you so much. It was my partner, Nick. He loves it. It's a big race 0:14:50.340 --> 0:14:53.609 for him and he was like, " Well, you can either watch 0:14:53.610 --> 0:14:55.320 me or you can race." And I was like, " Well, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.940 you know what? I might as well get involved myself." It was 0:14:59.940 --> 0:15:00.481 a really fun event. 0:15:00.481 --> 0:15:05.250 Calli, I want to take you back to Paris where 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.010 Becs and I both were doing different things and I 0:15:08.010 --> 0:15:11.940 know you were there representing Team GB in the marathon, 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:16.650 obviously a really difficult course. It was a challenging day 0:15:16.980 --> 0:15:20.310 for you. You ended up not finishing the race. But 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.120 what did you take away from that experience that allowed 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.690 you such a short time later to have this record- 0:15:27.690 --> 0:15:29.430 breaking performance in California? 0:15:30.780 --> 0:15:34.080 Yeah, that's the thing. It's obviously heartbreaking having to pull 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:39.960 out of that race. The training honestly couldn't have been 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.930 better leading up to it. So it was definitely one 0:15:42.930 --> 0:15:45.630 of the hardest decisions I had to make to pull 0:15:45.630 --> 0:15:48.060 out of that race. But ultimately I know it was the 0:15:48.060 --> 0:15:50.400 right decision because if I'd have gone a step further, 0:15:50.460 --> 0:15:53.580 I just know I wouldn't have had a season. I was not in a 0:15:53.580 --> 0:15:57.060 good way. And that's the thing with running and what we 0:15:57.060 --> 0:16:03.030 do, especially the marathon, you need to get everything right. 0:16:03.090 --> 0:16:10.290 So the sleep, the eating, nutrition, everything. And unfortunately, I 0:16:10.290 --> 0:16:13.590 found out some sad news with my mum with her 0:16:13.590 --> 0:16:16.710 cancer diagnosis just a few weeks before and it hit 0:16:16.710 --> 0:16:19.590 me harder than I thought it would. I was working 0:16:19.590 --> 0:16:22.740 with my team to try and get my head right, 0:16:22.740 --> 0:16:26.280 but with that, I did lose sleep, I lost my appetite, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.580 and unfortunately, I wasn't a hundred percent on race day 0:16:29.700 --> 0:16:33.810 and my body was fighting. So yeah, it was really 0:16:33.810 --> 0:16:38.160 tough, but ultimately when I dropped out, I was like, " 0:16:38.730 --> 0:16:41.340 Okay." It was the worst moment of my life, but at 0:16:41.340 --> 0:16:45.210 the same time, what an experience to actually be there and 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.090 do the Olympics. And you know what? It made me 0:16:48.090 --> 0:16:50.820 so hungry now for future races and for the next 0:16:50.820 --> 0:16:55.230 four years, for LA. So I've learned a lot. Even 0:16:55.230 --> 0:16:58.110 though it was a really hard time, I've learned so 0:16:58.110 --> 0:17:00.510 much from that experience and I will take it with 0:17:00.510 --> 0:17:03.960 me and let it make me hungry for the next 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:04.740 few years, for sure. 0:17:06.030 --> 0:17:09.570 Yeah, and you already have. I know your mum obviously 0:17:09.630 --> 0:17:12.660 had that cancer diagnosis right before Paris. How is she 0:17:12.660 --> 0:17:18.300 doing, Calli? What was it like for you? I can 0:17:18.300 --> 0:17:20.880 only imagine how challenging it must've been to try to 0:17:21.270 --> 0:17:24.179 compete after getting news like that, but would love to 0:17:24.180 --> 0:17:26.970 know how she's doing and how the family's doing. 0:17:28.020 --> 0:17:30.960 Yeah, thank you so much for asking. She's doing really 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.570 good. I think chemo has come a long way. Her 0:17:33.570 --> 0:17:35.909 treatment has been a lot better. She had cancer seven 0:17:35.910 --> 0:17:39.420 years ago and this time has been a lot more positive. 0:17:39.420 --> 0:17:42.690 The treatment plan just makes more sense. And it's not 0:17:42.690 --> 0:17:48.060 easy, chemo knocks you down hard, but she's fighting. She's 0:17:48.060 --> 0:17:50.910 a fighter, so she'll get through it. And we can't 0:17:50.910 --> 0:17:53.730 wait to see that all-clear hopefully in the next few months and then 0:17:54.510 --> 0:17:58.770 we go from there. But no, she's doing great. She's really 0:17:58.770 --> 0:18:00.930 positive at the minute, so it's good to see. 0:18:01.260 --> 0:18:05.939 Fantastic. Such a testament to our bodies, how when we 0:18:05.940 --> 0:18:10.320 go through these massive training blocks and then it's our 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.530 body and our mind coming together telling us what's really 0:18:13.530 --> 0:18:15.990 the most important. And I think that was probably your 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.470 body's way of saying, " Hey, you know what? It's okay 0:18:19.530 --> 0:18:23.760 to not push through this and to keep that mental 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.810 strength there for your family." Because it's probably what you 0:18:27.810 --> 0:18:30.389 all needed, was just to come together and for you 0:18:30.390 --> 0:18:34.710 to not be exhausted for it. But having said that, 0:18:34.710 --> 0:18:38.130 I mean just seven weeks later, there you were in 0:18:38.130 --> 0:18:43.320 Berlin and absolutely tearing up that course. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:43.440 Thank you. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:51.240 I mean, well, your time there was a 2:21: 24. So what did 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:55.200 you do after, body- wise? I don't want to dwell 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.940 on your mom's diagnosis, but body- wise, share with our 0:18:59.970 --> 0:19:04.560 listeners how you recovered from Paris in just seven weeks 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.510 to get that incredible time in Berlin. 0:19:08.190 --> 0:19:11.520 I think with me, that's how I deal with things. If 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.149 I have a bad situation happen, the only way I know how 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:16.949 to deal with it is just get back up and 0:19:16.950 --> 0:19:20.760 just keep trying and I just try to put everything 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.850 behind me. We went back to the UK for a 0:19:23.850 --> 0:19:25.650 little bit and I just put my head down and, 0:19:26.070 --> 0:19:28.649 well, obviously took some time with family and things. And 0:19:28.650 --> 0:19:32.310 then I just really reset with family and honestly just 0:19:32.310 --> 0:19:36.119 did enough to tick over enough to get me through 0:19:37.410 --> 0:19:39.270 a good race because I knew I wanted to do 0:19:39.270 --> 0:19:42.990 one soon. The thing was I could have done Valencia 0:19:42.990 --> 0:19:44.820 and waited until December, but I was like, " Can I 0:19:44.820 --> 0:19:48.780 get through another training block this big?" Honestly, what I 0:19:48.780 --> 0:19:52.139 put in for Paris, the training I put in for 0:19:52.140 --> 0:19:54.330 that, I was like, "Do you know what? That's not going to go 0:19:54.330 --> 0:19:57.180 anywhere." It's like, " I don't want to waste that. I want 0:19:57.180 --> 0:20:00.480 to take advantage of the training I've done, I've put in, and 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:05.400 just maintain this fitness somehow and just rip the band- 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.220 aid off." And Berlin just seemed like the perfect race 0:20:08.220 --> 0:20:11.520 for that. I think a lot of people thought I 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.760 was crazy for going in so soon, but for me, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:20.250 it was just like, I just wanted to somehow soften 0:20:20.250 --> 0:20:23.820 the blow from what happened in Paris. And I knew 0:20:23.910 --> 0:20:26.369 how fit I was, that was a thing, so that wasn't 0:20:26.369 --> 0:20:28.859 a question. It was more just I knew it was 0:20:28.859 --> 0:20:32.670 a mental thing and I just had to overcome that. So 0:20:32.670 --> 0:20:36.600 I did a lot of work with close ones, getting 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.290 myself in a good spot, and before you know it, I was ready. 0:20:40.290 --> 0:20:42.960 I felt like I was ready enough to line up 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.109 and still do have a good day. So yeah, it 0:20:46.109 --> 0:20:47.730 excites me because I know there's a lot more to 0:20:47.730 --> 0:20:52.919 come with things going on my side. It was still 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.800 a very, very chaotic few weeks and definitely not good 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.250 preparation either, but I'm just glad I was able to 0:20:59.790 --> 0:21:03.090 do myself proud, at least. I genuinely at the finish, I was 0:21:03.090 --> 0:21:06.270 like, "Do you know what? I'm proud of that performance today and it's not been 0:21:06.270 --> 0:21:10.500 easy." It was courageous getting on that line, but I 0:21:10.500 --> 0:21:13.440 did it. I PB'd and that's all I could ask for right 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:14.820 now in that moment. 0:21:14.820 --> 0:21:19.350 So Calli, we were chatting before the show. You and I 0:21:19.350 --> 0:21:22.889 actually met briefly on the pro athletes bus on the 0:21:22.890 --> 0:21:26.310 way to the starting line in Berlin. You were there because 0:21:26.310 --> 0:21:28.740 you're a pro athlete. I was there because I was 0:21:28.740 --> 0:21:32.340 a stowaway on the bus, had been let on by 0:21:32.340 --> 0:21:35.369 some people who somehow seemed to think I should take 0:21:35.369 --> 0:21:38.790 that bus to the start. And I set a PB 0:21:38.790 --> 0:21:40.560 too. So I guess it rubbed off on me, all 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.770 the positive energy you guys had getting to that starting 0:21:43.770 --> 0:21:46.380 line. But it was a great day in Berlin. And 0:21:47.220 --> 0:21:51.090 what you say is interesting about just needing to get 0:21:51.090 --> 0:21:53.160 right back to running. It makes a lot of sense 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:58.859 to me. From other sports, if you're a baseball player 0:21:58.859 --> 0:22:00.780 or a tennis player and you have a bad match, 0:22:01.260 --> 0:22:04.410 you want to play again the next day. You want 0:22:04.410 --> 0:22:07.830 to get right back out there and just absolutely turn 0:22:07.830 --> 0:22:11.100 the page. And that can be really hard to do, 0:22:11.100 --> 0:22:14.040 obviously, when you run marathons for a living. You can't 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.350 play the very next day as you can in a 0:22:16.350 --> 0:22:20.070 lot of sports. And so I can see the mentality 0:22:20.070 --> 0:22:22.350 would make you want to get back out there quickly. 0:22:22.650 --> 0:22:25.680 And a lot of amateur athletes, Calli, can also relate 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.460 to the fitness that you had from a previous race 0:22:29.460 --> 0:22:31.619 and not having to let it all go and then start a 0:22:31.619 --> 0:22:34.440 whole new training block, but being able to feed off 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:37.710 of a fitness that you developed from a previous race. 0:22:38.190 --> 0:22:41.550 Exactly. Yeah, I know. It was one of those, it 0:22:41.550 --> 0:22:44.550