1 00:00:00,210 --> 00:00:03,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners is a non- profit organization with 2 00:00:03,210 --> 00:00:06,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: a vision to build healthier lives and stronger communities through 3 00:00:06,570 --> 00:00:10,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: the transformative power of running. The support of members and 4 00:00:10,230 --> 00:00:13,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: donors like you, helps us achieve our mission to transform 5 00:00:13,860 --> 00:00:17,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: the health and well- being of our communities through inclusive 6 00:00:17,130 --> 00:00:21,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: and accessible running experiences, empowering all to achieve their potential. 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: Learn more and contribute at nyrr. org/ donate. 8 00:00:29,970 --> 00:00:34,379 Audio: Thank you, New York. Today, we're reminded of the power 9 00:00:34,380 --> 00:00:39,240 Audio: of community and the power of coming together. Athletes, on 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:44,729 Audio: your mark. The first woman to finish for the second 11 00:00:44,729 --> 00:00:48,479 Audio: straight year here in the New York City Marathon is Miki Gorman, 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,990 Audio: a smiling Miki Gorman. And why not? 2: 29:30, the 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,640 Audio: time for Grete Waitz. Look at the emotion of Shalane Flanagan as she comes to 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,480 Audio: the line. Pointing to his chest, pointing to the USA he 15 00:01:00,690 --> 00:01:04,170 Audio: so proudly wears across his chest. A great day for 16 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:10,110 Audio: Meb Keflezighi. 17 00:01:10,110 --> 00:01:12,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hey everybody, and welcome to Set the Pace, the official 18 00:01:12,990 --> 00:01:16,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: podcast of New York Road Runners, presented by Peloton. I'm 19 00:01:16,740 --> 00:01:19,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: your host, Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of New York Road Runners. 20 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:23,068 Rob Simmelkjaer: And with me, as she is every week, Peloton instructor 21 00:01:23,069 --> 00:01:27,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: extraordinaire, Becs Gentry. Hello, Becs, how are you today? 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,120 Becs Gentry: Good, thank you, just surviving this cold weather here in 23 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,959 Becs Gentry: New York City. But weirdly, people keep telling me to 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,800 Becs Gentry: start running. I am really enjoying running outside in this 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,160 Becs Gentry: cold. Now, I know what you're all thinking, " Just because 26 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,380 Becs Gentry: you went to Antarctica, shut up. Blah, blah, blah, blah, 27 00:01:46,380 --> 00:01:50,490 Becs Gentry: blah." It's misleading because you think, " Oh, I'm just going 28 00:01:50,490 --> 00:01:51,570 Becs Gentry: to get out there and have a little bit of 29 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:53,850 Becs Gentry: vitamin D on my face." And then you realize your face 30 00:01:53,850 --> 00:01:57,419 Becs Gentry: is totally covered. So I'm actually forcing myself to run 31 00:01:57,420 --> 00:02:00,510 Becs Gentry: inside a little bit more because I know me, I'll 32 00:02:00,510 --> 00:02:03,390 Becs Gentry: end up getting sick. And I don't need to be 33 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:05,490 Becs Gentry: running outside, I'm not in a training block. So I'm 34 00:02:05,550 --> 00:02:07,890 Becs Gentry: teaching myself that the gym is the better place for 35 00:02:07,890 --> 00:02:08,311 Becs Gentry: me right now. 36 00:02:08,311 --> 00:02:11,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: You know it's funny with running in the cold, and I experienced 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: all of this on Saturday at the Joe Kleinerman 10K that we 38 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:20,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: had in Central Park, you have this mental barrier to 39 00:02:20,190 --> 00:02:23,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: the run, at least I do. Because you look out 40 00:02:23,070 --> 00:02:25,889 Rob Simmelkjaer: there and you're like, " This is not a day I'm 41 00:02:25,889 --> 00:02:29,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: supposed to be going outside." I woke up before dawn 42 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:34,080 Rob Simmelkjaer: on Saturday morning, snow was falling and it just was like, " 43 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,239 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm going to run a race right now?" And I 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: drove down that morning actually from Connecticut and get to 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: the park, the sun starts to come up and all 46 00:02:42,330 --> 00:02:45,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: the runners are there. By the way, we had a great 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,669 Rob Simmelkjaer: turnout on Saturday, just about 5, 000 runners came. And I 48 00:02:50,669 --> 00:02:52,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: stood at the starting line and I spoke to the crowd and I said, " 49 00:02:53,010 --> 00:02:57,419 Rob Simmelkjaer: You know what? It is an absolutely beautiful day to 50 00:02:57,419 --> 00:03:03,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: run." Because the snow had stopped and, Becs, the park looked 51 00:03:03,330 --> 00:03:05,401 Rob Simmelkjaer: like a postcard on Saturday morning. 52 00:03:05,401 --> 00:03:05,402 Becs Gentry: I'm sure, yeah. 53 00:03:05,402 --> 00:03:09,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: It was so beautiful. The snow kind of arranged itself perfectly 54 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:12,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: for us. It was on the grass and on the 55 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:15,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: trees, but the road was totally fine. So people had 56 00:03:15,870 --> 00:03:18,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: great footing to run on and it was a gorgeous 57 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: day to run. And it took me a while to get 58 00:03:21,510 --> 00:03:24,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: my head around running, but as you say, once I 59 00:03:24,090 --> 00:03:27,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: got going, it just felt amazing. And I ended up 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: running the 10K and then a lot, lot more that 61 00:03:30,660 --> 00:03:33,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: day because I am, and we'll talk about this in 62 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: a later episode, maybe training for something right now. But 63 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:40,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: it went great. I felt amazing. And sometimes when it's 64 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:43,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: cold like that, you just feel like you could run forever 65 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: and maybe that's what it was like for you in 66 00:03:45,450 --> 00:03:48,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: Antarctica. I don't know. I certainly felt that way on Saturday. I felt 67 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: great after a long, long run. 68 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:57,030 Becs Gentry: Yeah, it's true, you just settle in. You settle in and 69 00:03:57,180 --> 00:03:59,010 Becs Gentry: you get it done, as long as you don't get 70 00:03:59,010 --> 00:04:01,800 Becs Gentry: too hot. I mean, I imagine to some of the 71 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,840 Becs Gentry: incredible athletes who raced the 10K on Saturday, we're going 72 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,780 Becs Gentry: to go through the winners very shortly, but then your 73 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:13,260 Becs Gentry: body's gotten to a heat level and a sweat level 74 00:04:13,260 --> 00:04:17,970 Becs Gentry: that isn't necessarily conducive to continuing a steady- state run 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,250 Becs Gentry: in that weather. But yeah, if you keep it chill, 76 00:04:20,850 --> 00:04:23,370 Becs Gentry: excuse the pun, you'll be good. 77 00:04:23,370 --> 00:04:26,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it's all about those layering decisions and you want to be 78 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: comfortable enough at the start that you're not just getting 79 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: frostbite. But as your body heats up, to have the 80 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,029 Rob Simmelkjaer: ability to take a bit off here, take a bit 81 00:04:36,029 --> 00:04:39,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: off there, lower a zipper, open a vent, and give 82 00:04:39,420 --> 00:04:42,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: yourself what you need to get through that run. And 83 00:04:42,810 --> 00:04:46,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: I was, I was discarding things as I passed the 84 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:48,839 Rob Simmelkjaer: finish line because I kept running after the race and 85 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: I handed off a jacket and a hat and some 86 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:54,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: gloves and felt great as I kept going. So it 87 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:56,909 Rob Simmelkjaer: was awesome and it was a great day. Thanks to 88 00:04:56,910 --> 00:05:00,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: everybody who came out for the Joe K 10K celebrating 89 00:05:00,330 --> 00:05:03,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: Joe Kleinerman, a legend at New York Road Runners, a 90 00:05:03,570 --> 00:05:07,229 Rob Simmelkjaer: man who volunteered 45 years of his life to this 91 00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:09,121 Rob Simmelkjaer: organization and making running a better sport. 92 00:05:09,121 --> 00:05:09,122 Becs Gentry: A legend. 93 00:05:09,122 --> 00:05:12,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: An incredible individual and that we're thrilled to honor every 94 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:16,919 Rob Simmelkjaer: year. And the winners on Saturday, it was Brooke Starn 95 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:20,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: of Central Park Track Club Tracksmith with a winning time 96 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: of 35:56 in the brisk conditions. The non- binary winner 97 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:29,219 Rob Simmelkjaer: was Elijah Taylor, 35: 32. And for the men it 98 00:05:29,220 --> 00:05:34,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: was Jaouad El Jazouli with a time of 30: 25 from 99 00:05:34,860 --> 00:05:38,849 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Garden State Track Club. That is a blistering 10K. 100 00:05:39,870 --> 00:05:41,221 Becs Gentry: He was running for his hot chocolate. 101 00:05:41,221 --> 00:05:44,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: That's right, everybody was. We had bagels, we had all 102 00:05:45,029 --> 00:05:46,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: the things you wanted at the end. So it was a 103 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: great, great day. Congratulations to everybody who came out on 104 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:54,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: a really, really beautiful morning on Saturday. And Becs, by 105 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: the way, we've got some exciting new stuff coming out 106 00:05:57,150 --> 00:05:59,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: on Peloton right now with New York Road Runners. 107 00:05:59,820 --> 00:05:59,820 Becs Gentry: We do. 108 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:01,919 Rob Simmelkjaer: Talk about that. I'll let you give that news- 109 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:01,981 Becs Gentry: We do. 110 00:06:01,981 --> 00:06:03,659 Rob Simmelkjaer: ... because it's really cool- looking stuff. 111 00:06:04,650 --> 00:06:09,000 Becs Gentry: Oh, it really is. So basically for all of our Peloton Tread and 112 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,710 Becs Gentry: Tread+ users looking to stay inside or just wanting to 113 00:06:13,710 --> 00:06:17,940 Becs Gentry: check them out, we have released two new classes this 114 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:22,830 Becs Gentry: week that we filmed at last year's New Balance 5th 115 00:06:22,830 --> 00:06:26,070 Becs Gentry: Avenue Mile. Okay? So you've got to head to the 116 00:06:26,070 --> 00:06:32,339 Becs Gentry: scenic library and you can run the iconic race alongside myself 117 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:35,760 Becs Gentry: and some other very awesome New York Road Runners' Set 118 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,950 Becs Gentry: the Pace guests that we've had the pleasure of talking 119 00:06:37,950 --> 00:06:42,150 Becs Gentry: to, and my fellow instructors, Mariana, Alex K, and Matt 120 00:06:42,210 --> 00:06:46,170 Becs Gentry: Wilpers. I can't tell you the fun we had filming 121 00:06:46,170 --> 00:06:52,409 Becs Gentry: that day. Did we all run the ... I definitely ran 122 00:06:52,529 --> 00:06:56,220 Becs Gentry: the Mile. I think Matt Wilpers also did run the 123 00:06:56,220 --> 00:06:59,820 Becs Gentry: Mile. So we actually ran it ourselves and then we 124 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:03,029 Becs Gentry: waited for everybody else to finish, all the various waves 125 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:06,660 Becs Gentry: because as you know, the New York Road Runners New Balance 5th 126 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:09,660 Becs Gentry: Avenue Mile has a lot of different waves and then 127 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:13,410 Becs Gentry: the kids do their waves. And then we went to 128 00:07:13,410 --> 00:07:17,190 Becs Gentry: the course and we ran it bit by bit together. 129 00:07:17,190 --> 00:07:19,590 Becs Gentry: And I'm not going to give it all away, but go check 130 00:07:19,590 --> 00:07:23,520 Becs Gentry: it out. And then also, I believe there was a 131 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,960 Becs Gentry: Mariana special as well on there. So I'm really excited. Let 132 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,510 Becs Gentry: us know what you think of the classes and if 133 00:07:30,510 --> 00:07:34,170 Becs Gentry: it inspires you to sign up for any races perhaps. 134 00:07:34,170 --> 00:07:38,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: Absolutely. The 5th Avenue Mile is such an iconic stretch 135 00:07:38,460 --> 00:07:42,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: of road. It's such an amazing experience to run down 136 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: 5th Avenue and it's just an amazing vibe. So I 137 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:48,119 Rob Simmelkjaer: think that's a really cool thing to have on the 138 00:07:48,150 --> 00:07:50,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: treadmill for those who want to go experience that run 139 00:07:50,580 --> 00:07:53,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: fast on that treadmill and tear down 5th Avenue. I 140 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:57,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: love that. So I'm looking forward to checking that out 141 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: and giving people a chance to experience that wherever they 142 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: are with all of these amazing Peloton instructors. 143 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,570 Becs Gentry: Ready to level up your running? With the Peloton Tread 144 00:08:06,570 --> 00:08:10,620 Becs Gentry: and Tread+, you can challenge yourself anytime, anywhere. Whether you're 145 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:13,650 Becs Gentry: building strength or working on speed, Peloton has a class 146 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:18,630 Becs Gentry: for every goal from 5 to 120- minute workouts. With 147 00:08:18,630 --> 00:08:22,740 Becs Gentry: muscle building classes and flexible training options, you'll have everything 148 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:25,890 Becs Gentry: you need to crush your next race and then recover 149 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:30,030 Becs Gentry: from it. All- Access Membership separate. Find your push, find 150 00:08:30,030 --> 00:08:36,780 Becs Gentry: your power at onepeloton. com/ race- training. Peloton, the official 151 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:38,939 Becs Gentry: digital fitness partner for New York Road Runners. 152 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:43,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becs, we are going to your side of the pond today for our 153 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:49,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: special guest, a fellow member of yours of Team GB 154 00:08:49,950 --> 00:08:53,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: joining us, Calli Hauger- Thackery. I'm sure this is someone 155 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: you know, Becs, from that British running community. Excited to 156 00:08:57,270 --> 00:08:57,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: talk to her? 157 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,370 Becs Gentry: So excited to talk to Calli. She is such a beautiful light 158 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:09,179 Becs Gentry: in the women's running community. Calli has recently absolutely crushed 159 00:09:09,179 --> 00:09:14,969 Becs Gentry: the 2024 California International Marathon record. She ran a 2: 160 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:18,360 Becs Gentry: 24. The previous was a 2: 26 and some change. So 161 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:22,650 Becs Gentry: unreal, but I think what's super special is the day 162 00:09:22,650 --> 00:09:24,959 Becs Gentry: that her and her husband had an ... You got to 163 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,540 Becs Gentry: listen to find out a little bit more about that. 164 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,490 Becs Gentry: She's setting her sights on 2025 Boston Marathon. And I 165 00:09:32,490 --> 00:09:35,730 Becs Gentry: think, Rob, I don't know about you, but the lineup 166 00:09:35,730 --> 00:09:40,050 Becs Gentry: for the women's elite field at Boston, day by day 167 00:09:40,260 --> 00:09:43,050 Becs Gentry: is becoming so very riveting. 168 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:45,809 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it's going to be an amazing day in Boston. 169 00:09:45,809 --> 00:09:47,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's also going to be an amazing day in New 170 00:09:47,190 --> 00:09:50,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: York in March. And so when Calli joins us, we'll 171 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:53,699 Rob Simmelkjaer: have a little something to say about the United Airlines 172 00:09:54,059 --> 00:09:57,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: NYC Half field as well. So teasing that in just a 173 00:09:57,450 --> 00:10:00,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: moment. And speaking of moment, the Member Moment today, of 174 00:10:00,750 --> 00:10:03,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: course, Meb Keflezighi will join us. And he's going to catch 175 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:07,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: up with New York Road Runners' member, Danielle Grimley, a first- 176 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:12,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: time marathoner who started the 24 TCS New York City Marathon 177 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:15,179 Rob Simmelkjaer: out in Staten Island on foot, as most runners did, 178 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:19,589 Rob Simmelkjaer: but finished the race in Central Park on crutches. But 179 00:10:19,590 --> 00:10:20,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: she did finish. 180 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:20,941 Becs Gentry: She did. 181 00:10:20,941 --> 00:10:23,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: And she did an amazing job and has an amazing story to 182 00:10:23,610 --> 00:10:27,809 Rob Simmelkjaer: tell about getting there and ending up being a part 183 00:10:27,809 --> 00:10:32,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: of that incredible final finisher celebration we have after dark 184 00:10:33,090 --> 00:10:36,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: in Central Park. So Danielle is here to tell us 185 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:39,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: that story and how that moment changed her forever. So 186 00:10:39,990 --> 00:10:43,679 Rob Simmelkjaer: I can't wait to hear Meb's conversation with Danielle Grimley 187 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: and her experience with the final finisher. And then Meb 188 00:10:47,130 --> 00:10:49,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: will be back with some words of advice for all 189 00:10:49,410 --> 00:10:51,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: you runners out there who are training for a spring 190 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:57,329 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon during these cold, dark winter months. I'm going to 191 00:10:57,330 --> 00:10:59,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: be tuning in to listen to that one myself. I 192 00:10:59,010 --> 00:11:02,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: want to hear what Meb has to say because, let's 193 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: just say, I have never trained for a spring marathon 194 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: and I just want to hear what Meb has to 195 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:10,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: say about that. So we'll talk more about that later. 196 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,660 Becs Gentry: I want to hear what Rob's going to say about 197 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:12,871 Becs Gentry: that too. 198 00:11:12,871 --> 00:11:17,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, the winter months. All I can say is make friends 199 00:11:17,610 --> 00:11:21,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: with a treadmill, whether it's a Peloton Tread or whatever 200 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,569 Rob Simmelkjaer: you can get your hands on because the daylight hours 201 00:11:24,570 --> 00:11:25,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: are just limited. 202 00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:25,710 Becs Gentry: Oh, gosh. 203 00:11:25,710 --> 00:11:27,211 Rob Simmelkjaer: And you got to do what you got to do. 204 00:11:27,211 --> 00:11:27,481 Becs Gentry: You do. 205 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:29,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: It is what it is. Can't wait to hear what 206 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:31,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: Meb has to say about that. 207 00:11:32,340 --> 00:11:35,490 Becs Gentry: Growing a business means a lot of audience attracting, a 208 00:11:35,490 --> 00:11:38,190 Becs Gentry: lot of lead scoring, and a lot of long days. 209 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,429 Becs Gentry: But with HubSpot, it's easier than ever for marketers to 210 00:11:41,429 --> 00:11:45,210 Becs Gentry: boost leads and score customers fast, which means pretty soon, 211 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:51,300 Becs Gentry: your company will have a lot to celebrate. Visit hubspot. com/ marketers 212 00:11:51,570 --> 00:11:52,290 Becs Gentry: to learn more. 213 00:11:52,890 --> 00:11:57,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: Our guest today is an incredibly talented British runner who is 214 00:11:57,390 --> 00:12:00,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: on the rise in the world of professional distance running. 215 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:05,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: Calli Hauger- Thackery is a Yorkshire, England native turned international 216 00:12:05,730 --> 00:12:08,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon star. She's been steadily making her mark on the 217 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,939 Rob Simmelkjaer: global running scene this past summer as a member of 218 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:15,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: Team GB at the Paris Olympics, and most recently, a 219 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: thrilling win at the California International Marathon. Calli's now preparing 220 00:12:20,429 --> 00:12:23,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: to tackle one of the world's most prestigious races, the 221 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:28,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: 2025 Boston Marathon. And as part of her training, she's 222 00:12:28,170 --> 00:12:30,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: going to be joining us in New York, we're happy 223 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: to announce, for the 2025 United Airlines NYC Half. Calli, it 224 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: is great to have you here on Set the Pace. 225 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: Welcome, and we're so thrilled to welcome you to New York. 226 00:12:41,429 --> 00:12:44,520 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Thank you so much. New York, I love it. I'm excited to 227 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:50,910 Calli Hauger-Thackery: be here, guys. It's just a great race. I'm lucky I've done it 228 00:12:50,910 --> 00:12:53,280 Calli Hauger-Thackery: before so I kind of know what I'm getting myself 229 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,210 Calli Hauger-Thackery: in for this time. 230 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,630 Becs Gentry: Love it. Oh my gosh, Calli. Well, it's an honor to 231 00:12:57,630 --> 00:13:02,580 Becs Gentry: meet you from the GB side of things. It's been 232 00:13:02,580 --> 00:13:06,120 Becs Gentry: incredible to watch you flourish in your career because you 233 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:11,099 Becs Gentry: have really come into it with such a great attitude, 234 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:16,050 Becs Gentry: a really lovely personality. You're so friendly and bubbly. And 235 00:13:16,050 --> 00:13:20,400 Becs Gentry: I think it's a change within the world of women's 236 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,809 Becs Gentry: sports to have that camaraderie and friendship amongst the females 237 00:13:24,809 --> 00:13:27,599 Becs Gentry: on the start line. So thank you for doing that 238 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Becs Gentry: for our sport. And massive congratulations on CIM. Wow. 239 00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:34,530 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Well, thank you for the compliment, first. That's a big 240 00:13:34,530 --> 00:13:39,270 Calli Hauger-Thackery: compliment. Thank you. And secondly, CIM, super happy with it 241 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,940 Calli Hauger-Thackery: considering the training beforehand wasn't the best prep. I'm going 242 00:13:44,940 --> 00:13:48,059 Calli Hauger-Thackery: through some sleep apnea things. As an athlete, that was 243 00:13:48,059 --> 00:13:51,480 Calli Hauger-Thackery: pretty daunting, so just getting on top of that now. 244 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,179 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So yeah, several days before, I had no sleep trying 245 00:13:54,179 --> 00:13:57,150 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to figure this stuff out. So to pull off a 246 00:13:57,150 --> 00:14:00,300 Calli Hauger-Thackery: win, I was very thrilled with in the end. I 247 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:03,720 Calli Hauger-Thackery: mean, Jackie made it very hard for me. I remember 248 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,790 Calli Hauger-Thackery: looking back at one point being like, " Wow, I've got 249 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:09,179 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a race on my hands today." But it makes it 250 00:14:09,179 --> 00:14:12,540 Calli Hauger-Thackery: fun and that's why I love racing. It's, you never 251 00:14:12,540 --> 00:14:14,340 Calli Hauger-Thackery: know. I mean, she smashed it. She got a 3- 252 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:17,370 Calli Hauger-Thackery: minute PB, so she nearly got me at the final stages. 253 00:14:17,370 --> 00:14:19,530 Calli Hauger-Thackery: And I just remember thinking, " I've got to turn the 254 00:14:19,530 --> 00:14:22,200 Calli Hauger-Thackery: wheels now or else I'm not winning this race." 255 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:22,500 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. 256 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:26,730 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So no, it was a really cool, fun experience. 257 00:14:26,730 --> 00:14:29,550 Becs Gentry: Yeah, and I mean, you didn't just win it. You're 258 00:14:29,550 --> 00:14:32,040 Becs Gentry: being very humble here. You won it with a 2: 259 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:37,980 Becs Gentry: 24 and you broke the previous course record by 90 260 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:42,330 Becs Gentry: seconds or so, right? You are now the CIM record 261 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:44,820 Becs Gentry: holder. It's just so cool. 262 00:14:45,450 --> 00:14:50,340 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Thank you so much. It was my partner, Nick. He loves it. It's a big race 263 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:53,609 Calli Hauger-Thackery: for him and he was like, " Well, you can either watch 264 00:14:53,610 --> 00:14:55,320 Calli Hauger-Thackery: me or you can race." And I was like, " Well, 265 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,940 Calli Hauger-Thackery: you know what? I might as well get involved myself." It was 266 00:14:59,940 --> 00:15:00,481 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a really fun event. 267 00:15:00,481 --> 00:15:05,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: Calli, I want to take you back to Paris where 268 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becs and I both were doing different things and I 269 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:11,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: know you were there representing Team GB in the marathon, 270 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: obviously a really difficult course. It was a challenging day 271 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:20,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: for you. You ended up not finishing the race. But 272 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: what did you take away from that experience that allowed 273 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: you such a short time later to have this record- 274 00:15:27,690 --> 00:15:29,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: breaking performance in California? 275 00:15:30,780 --> 00:15:34,080 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, that's the thing. It's obviously heartbreaking having to pull 276 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:39,960 Calli Hauger-Thackery: out of that race. The training honestly couldn't have been 277 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,930 Calli Hauger-Thackery: better leading up to it. So it was definitely one 278 00:15:42,930 --> 00:15:45,630 Calli Hauger-Thackery: of the hardest decisions I had to make to pull 279 00:15:45,630 --> 00:15:48,060 Calli Hauger-Thackery: out of that race. But ultimately I know it was the 280 00:15:48,060 --> 00:15:50,400 Calli Hauger-Thackery: right decision because if I'd have gone a step further, 281 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:53,580 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I just know I wouldn't have had a season. I was not in a 282 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:57,060 Calli Hauger-Thackery: good way. And that's the thing with running and what we 283 00:15:57,060 --> 00:16:03,030 Calli Hauger-Thackery: do, especially the marathon, you need to get everything right. 284 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:10,290 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So the sleep, the eating, nutrition, everything. And unfortunately, I 285 00:16:10,290 --> 00:16:13,590 Calli Hauger-Thackery: found out some sad news with my mum with her 286 00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:16,710 Calli Hauger-Thackery: cancer diagnosis just a few weeks before and it hit 287 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:19,590 Calli Hauger-Thackery: me harder than I thought it would. I was working 288 00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:22,740 Calli Hauger-Thackery: with my team to try and get my head right, 289 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:26,280 Calli Hauger-Thackery: but with that, I did lose sleep, I lost my appetite, 290 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,580 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and unfortunately, I wasn't a hundred percent on race day 291 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:33,810 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and my body was fighting. So yeah, it was really 292 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:38,160 Calli Hauger-Thackery: tough, but ultimately when I dropped out, I was like, " 293 00:16:38,730 --> 00:16:41,340 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Okay." It was the worst moment of my life, but at 294 00:16:41,340 --> 00:16:45,210 Calli Hauger-Thackery: the same time, what an experience to actually be there and 295 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,090 Calli Hauger-Thackery: do the Olympics. And you know what? It made me 296 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:50,820 Calli Hauger-Thackery: so hungry now for future races and for the next 297 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:55,230 Calli Hauger-Thackery: four years, for LA. So I've learned a lot. Even 298 00:16:55,230 --> 00:16:58,110 Calli Hauger-Thackery: though it was a really hard time, I've learned so 299 00:16:58,110 --> 00:17:00,510 Calli Hauger-Thackery: much from that experience and I will take it with 300 00:17:00,510 --> 00:17:03,960 Calli Hauger-Thackery: me and let it make me hungry for the next 301 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:04,740 Calli Hauger-Thackery: few years, for sure. 302 00:17:06,030 --> 00:17:09,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, and you already have. I know your mum obviously 303 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:12,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: had that cancer diagnosis right before Paris. How is she 304 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:18,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: doing, Calli? What was it like for you? I can 305 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: only imagine how challenging it must've been to try to 306 00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:24,179 Rob Simmelkjaer: compete after getting news like that, but would love to 307 00:17:24,180 --> 00:17:26,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: know how she's doing and how the family's doing. 308 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:30,960 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, thank you so much for asking. She's doing really 309 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,570 Calli Hauger-Thackery: good. I think chemo has come a long way. Her 310 00:17:33,570 --> 00:17:35,909 Calli Hauger-Thackery: treatment has been a lot better. She had cancer seven 311 00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:39,420 Calli Hauger-Thackery: years ago and this time has been a lot more positive. 312 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:42,690 Calli Hauger-Thackery: The treatment plan just makes more sense. And it's not 313 00:17:42,690 --> 00:17:48,060 Calli Hauger-Thackery: easy, chemo knocks you down hard, but she's fighting. She's 314 00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:50,910 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a fighter, so she'll get through it. And we can't 315 00:17:50,910 --> 00:17:53,730 Calli Hauger-Thackery: wait to see that all-clear hopefully in the next few months and then 316 00:17:54,510 --> 00:17:58,770 Calli Hauger-Thackery: we go from there. But no, she's doing great. She's really 317 00:17:58,770 --> 00:18:00,930 Calli Hauger-Thackery: positive at the minute, so it's good to see. 318 00:18:01,260 --> 00:18:05,939 Becs Gentry: Fantastic. Such a testament to our bodies, how when we 319 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:10,320 Becs Gentry: go through these massive training blocks and then it's our 320 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,530 Becs Gentry: body and our mind coming together telling us what's really 321 00:18:13,530 --> 00:18:15,990 Becs Gentry: the most important. And I think that was probably your 322 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,470 Becs Gentry: body's way of saying, " Hey, you know what? It's okay 323 00:18:19,530 --> 00:18:23,760 Becs Gentry: to not push through this and to keep that mental 324 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,810 Becs Gentry: strength there for your family." Because it's probably what you 325 00:18:27,810 --> 00:18:30,389 Becs Gentry: all needed, was just to come together and for you 326 00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:34,710 Becs Gentry: to not be exhausted for it. But having said that, 327 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:38,130 Becs Gentry: I mean just seven weeks later, there you were in 328 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:43,320 Becs Gentry: Berlin and absolutely tearing up that course. 329 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:43,440 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Thank you. 330 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:51,240 Becs Gentry: I mean, well, your time there was a 2:21: 24. So what did 331 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,200 Becs Gentry: you do after, body- wise? I don't want to dwell 332 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,940 Becs Gentry: on your mom's diagnosis, but body- wise, share with our 333 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:04,560 Becs Gentry: listeners how you recovered from Paris in just seven weeks 334 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,510 Becs Gentry: to get that incredible time in Berlin. 335 00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:11,520 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I think with me, that's how I deal with things. If 336 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,149 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I have a bad situation happen, the only way I know how 337 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,949 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to deal with it is just get back up and 338 00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:20,760 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just keep trying and I just try to put everything 339 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,850 Calli Hauger-Thackery: behind me. We went back to the UK for a 340 00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:25,650 Calli Hauger-Thackery: little bit and I just put my head down and, 341 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:28,649 Calli Hauger-Thackery: well, obviously took some time with family and things. And 342 00:19:28,650 --> 00:19:32,310 Calli Hauger-Thackery: then I just really reset with family and honestly just 343 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:36,119 Calli Hauger-Thackery: did enough to tick over enough to get me through 344 00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:39,270 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a good race because I knew I wanted to do 345 00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:42,990 Calli Hauger-Thackery: one soon. The thing was I could have done Valencia 346 00:19:42,990 --> 00:19:44,820 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and waited until December, but I was like, " Can I 347 00:19:44,820 --> 00:19:48,780 Calli Hauger-Thackery: get through another training block this big?" Honestly, what I 348 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:52,139 Calli Hauger-Thackery: put in for Paris, the training I put in for 349 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:54,330 Calli Hauger-Thackery: that, I was like, "Do you know what? That's not going to go 350 00:19:54,330 --> 00:19:57,180 Calli Hauger-Thackery: anywhere." It's like, " I don't want to waste that. I want 351 00:19:57,180 --> 00:20:00,480 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to take advantage of the training I've done, I've put in, and 352 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,400 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just maintain this fitness somehow and just rip the band- 353 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,220 Calli Hauger-Thackery: aid off." And Berlin just seemed like the perfect race 354 00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:11,520 Calli Hauger-Thackery: for that. I think a lot of people thought I 355 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,760 Calli Hauger-Thackery: was crazy for going in so soon, but for me, 356 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,250 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it was just like, I just wanted to somehow soften 357 00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:23,820 Calli Hauger-Thackery: the blow from what happened in Paris. And I knew 358 00:20:23,910 --> 00:20:26,369 Calli Hauger-Thackery: how fit I was, that was a thing, so that wasn't 359 00:20:26,369 --> 00:20:28,859 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a question. It was more just I knew it was 360 00:20:28,859 --> 00:20:32,670 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a mental thing and I just had to overcome that. So 361 00:20:32,670 --> 00:20:36,600 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I did a lot of work with close ones, getting 362 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,290 Calli Hauger-Thackery: myself in a good spot, and before you know it, I was ready. 363 00:20:40,290 --> 00:20:42,960 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I felt like I was ready enough to line up 364 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,109 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and still do have a good day. So yeah, it 365 00:20:46,109 --> 00:20:47,730 Calli Hauger-Thackery: excites me because I know there's a lot more to 366 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:52,919 Calli Hauger-Thackery: come with things going on my side. It was still 367 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,800 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a very, very chaotic few weeks and definitely not good 368 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,250 Calli Hauger-Thackery: preparation either, but I'm just glad I was able to 369 00:20:59,790 --> 00:21:03,090 Calli Hauger-Thackery: do myself proud, at least. I genuinely at the finish, I was 370 00:21:03,090 --> 00:21:06,270 Calli Hauger-Thackery: like, "Do you know what? I'm proud of that performance today and it's not been 371 00:21:06,270 --> 00:21:10,500 Calli Hauger-Thackery: easy." It was courageous getting on that line, but I 372 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,440 Calli Hauger-Thackery: did it. I PB'd and that's all I could ask for right 373 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,820 Calli Hauger-Thackery: now in that moment. 374 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:19,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: So Calli, we were chatting before the show. You and I 375 00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:22,889 Rob Simmelkjaer: actually met briefly on the pro athletes bus on the 376 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:26,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: way to the starting line in Berlin. You were there because 377 00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:28,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: you're a pro athlete. I was there because I was 378 00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:32,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: a stowaway on the bus, had been let on by 379 00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:35,369 Rob Simmelkjaer: some people who somehow seemed to think I should take 380 00:21:35,369 --> 00:21:38,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: that bus to the start. And I set a PB 381 00:21:38,790 --> 00:21:40,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: too. So I guess it rubbed off on me, all 382 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: the positive energy you guys had getting to that starting 383 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:46,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: line. But it was a great day in Berlin. And 384 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:51,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: what you say is interesting about just needing to get 385 00:21:51,090 --> 00:21:53,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: right back to running. It makes a lot of sense 386 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,859 Rob Simmelkjaer: to me. From other sports, if you're a baseball player 387 00:21:58,859 --> 00:22:00,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: or a tennis player and you have a bad match, 388 00:22:01,260 --> 00:22:04,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: you want to play again the next day. You want 389 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:07,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: to get right back out there and just absolutely turn 390 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:11,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: the page. And that can be really hard to do, 391 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:14,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: obviously, when you run marathons for a living. You can't 392 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: play the very next day as you can in a 393 00:22:16,350 --> 00:22:20,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: lot of sports. And so I can see the mentality 394 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:22,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: would make you want to get back out there quickly. 395 00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:25,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: And a lot of amateur athletes, Calli, can also relate 396 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: to the fitness that you had from a previous race 397 00:22:29,460 --> 00:22:31,619 Rob Simmelkjaer: and not having to let it all go and then start a 398 00:22:31,619 --> 00:22:34,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: whole new training block, but being able to feed off 399 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: of a fitness that you developed from a previous race. 400 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:41,550 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Exactly. Yeah, I know. It was one of those, it 401 00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:44,550 Calli Hauger-Thackery: was like, " Do I wait or do I just do 402 00:22:44,550 --> 00:22:49,650 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it now?" But I think the more I waited, the worse 403 00:22:49,650 --> 00:22:52,470 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it was going to get mentally. So for me, I just 404 00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:55,440 Calli Hauger-Thackery: had to do it. I know people deal with things 405 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,680 Calli Hauger-Thackery: differently, but that's just how I had to deal with 406 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,100 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it at the time. And yeah, I'm glad I did 407 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:06,030 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and I can move forward now. I hate that the 408 00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:09,359 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Olympics, they put such a big thing on the Olympics 409 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,240 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and it's so much pressure. I've never felt pressure like 410 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,060 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it. But at least I've done that now and I can take that 411 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:17,280 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and be like, " I can be ready and deal with 412 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,540 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it in a way that's going to help me achieve 413 00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:25,889 Calli Hauger-Thackery: on the day." And yeah, I don't know, it's tough. 414 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,720 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I know it's all pressurized, all of the world championships, all 415 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,419 Calli Hauger-Thackery: these world majors and stuff, but I think that was 416 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:35,820 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just a different kind of thing on the Olympics. They 417 00:23:35,820 --> 00:23:39,899 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just put so much on that event. But like I 418 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:42,869 Calli Hauger-Thackery: said, I can definitely take learnings from this. 419 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,480 Becs Gentry: Great. Well, that's what we want to hear because your 420 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,930 Becs Gentry: lineup for 2025 is pretty spectacular already. So it's been 421 00:23:54,930 --> 00:23:59,040 Becs Gentry: announced that you are toeing the line for Boston this 422 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:05,310 Becs Gentry: year, 2025, Boston, April coming up. You also announced that 423 00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:08,189 Becs Gentry: you will be joining us in New York for a 424 00:24:08,190 --> 00:24:11,280 Becs Gentry: very special race to us at New York Road Runners, 425 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,230 Becs Gentry: the United Airlines NYC Half. So what's going through your 426 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:17,700 Becs Gentry: head for those two races? 427 00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:24,720 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Those ones, I'm really excited about them right now. It's definitely motivating 428 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,330 Calli Hauger-Thackery: me in the cold and the snow and all of 429 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:31,140 Calli Hauger-Thackery: this. Actually, no snow right now. It looks like it's 430 00:24:31,140 --> 00:24:34,710 Calli Hauger-Thackery: about to snow, but it's really cold here. But no, I'm really 431 00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:40,169 Calli Hauger-Thackery: excited about both New York half and Boston full. I think 432 00:24:40,350 --> 00:24:42,660 Calli Hauger-Thackery: they'll prepare me well. New York's going to prepare me 433 00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:47,490 Calli Hauger-Thackery: greatly for the Boston Marathon, I believe. I just think, 434 00:24:47,490 --> 00:24:50,460 Calli Hauger-Thackery: yeah, both of them just excite me because it's a 435 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:55,409 Calli Hauger-Thackery: race for me. I love a race in terms of it's not super- 436 00:24:55,410 --> 00:24:58,859 Calli Hauger-Thackery: fast, where you're just going all out to get this crazy, 437 00:24:58,859 --> 00:25:03,510 Calli Hauger-Thackery: fast time. It's tactics and there's so much to it. 438 00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:07,530 Calli Hauger-Thackery: And that's what I really love about New York and I 439 00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:09,359 Calli Hauger-Thackery: think the same will go for Boston as well. 440 00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:15,449 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. So the field for Boston, let's say, the field 441 00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:20,040 Becs Gentry: is slowly coming through to the public here. And I 442 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Becs Gentry: mean, day by day on Instagram, I've been glued to 443 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,669 Becs Gentry: it, seeing all of the names of the elite field, 444 00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:28,740 Becs Gentry: all of the women you're going to be running alongside. 445 00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:31,590 Becs Gentry: I want to know because I know what I'm like 446 00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:35,850 Becs Gentry: when I toe the line with my inspirations, is there 447 00:25:35,850 --> 00:25:40,200 Becs Gentry: anyone who you're really excited to be running with? I 448 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,990 Becs Gentry: mean in a competitive way or non- competitive way, is 449 00:25:42,990 --> 00:25:44,190 Becs Gentry: there anyone who you're like, " Yay"? 450 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:50,310 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Oh, definitely. So for Boston, Hellen's doing it, right? 451 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,510 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 452 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,220 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Is Hellen? Yeah, Hellen Obiri. I think if I'm near 453 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:59,340 Calli Hauger-Thackery: her, I'm doing okay. And Emma Bates, obviously on the 454 00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:03,450 Calli Hauger-Thackery: American side, she is just so tough. I just think 455 00:26:03,450 --> 00:26:06,210 Calli Hauger-Thackery: if I'm next to her, I'm doing fine, and then 456 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,740 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Sharon as well. I just think, wow, they are just 457 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:13,619 Calli Hauger-Thackery: incredible athletes and honestly if I can run alongside them 458 00:26:13,619 --> 00:26:15,270 Calli Hauger-Thackery: for a long time, then I'm going to have a 459 00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:20,190 Calli Hauger-Thackery: good day. So yeah, definitely. But honestly, so many girls 460 00:26:20,190 --> 00:26:23,129 Calli Hauger-Thackery: on that start line, I'm like, " Wow, okay. I'm in 461 00:26:23,130 --> 00:26:24,149 Calli Hauger-Thackery: some good company." 462 00:26:25,109 --> 00:26:30,000 Becs Gentry: Yes, absolutely. I'm really excited to see that whole race 463 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,930 Becs Gentry: take its place. So what's your training schedule looking like 464 00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:37,350 Becs Gentry: with a half and a full so close together? 465 00:26:37,890 --> 00:26:40,830 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, funnily enough, I do a lot of high intensity 466 00:26:40,830 --> 00:26:43,230 Calli Hauger-Thackery: stuff, so I don't do loads. I don't do high 467 00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:46,740 Calli Hauger-Thackery: mileage per se. I think compared to a lot of 468 00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:50,970 Calli Hauger-Thackery: marathon runners, I don't. I do more, honestly a lot 469 00:26:50,970 --> 00:26:54,419 Calli Hauger-Thackery: of 10K, slash, half- marathon zone in my training. So 470 00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:56,970 Calli Hauger-Thackery: when I do come to do the marathon, it feels 471 00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:59,970 Calli Hauger-Thackery: really easy for a long time because I actually do 472 00:27:00,330 --> 00:27:03,150 Calli Hauger-Thackery: way more half- marathon zone work and 10K zone work than 473 00:27:03,150 --> 00:27:05,700 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I would marathon pace. I don't know how to run 474 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:11,970 Calli Hauger-Thackery: marathon pace in training. I just like the high intense stuff. 475 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:14,580 Calli Hauger-Thackery: And I like track running as well, so I'm actually going 476 00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:17,100 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to dabble in some track stuff over the summer and 477 00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:20,400 Calli Hauger-Thackery: things like that. I think it's all important, especially for 478 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,919 Calli Hauger-Thackery: me and the athlete I am. On my VO2 max and 479 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,648 Calli Hauger-Thackery: stuff, I do really well at even the 5K and 480 00:27:25,648 --> 00:27:32,669 Calli Hauger-Thackery: the 10K. So I think the half- marathon will definitely get that 481 00:27:32,670 --> 00:27:34,590 Calli Hauger-Thackery: fast twitch going a little bit more and then I'll 482 00:27:34,590 --> 00:27:37,800 Calli Hauger-Thackery: be ready to, okay, come marathon date, I hope, for 483 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,619 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a long time that pace will feel really nice. 484 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:44,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: That makes sense. I know it is nice when you 485 00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:47,879 Rob Simmelkjaer: feel like your marathon pace is very comfortable. And I guess the 486 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: question is, how long can you keep it up, right? 487 00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:52,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: You're comfortable for a while and then of course the 488 00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:55,379 Rob Simmelkjaer: race does start in the 20- something mile range. So 489 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:58,139 Rob Simmelkjaer: what's there? What's left to pick it up, I guess, 490 00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:01,859 Rob Simmelkjaer: is always the question, Calli? You come from an athletic 491 00:28:01,859 --> 00:28:06,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: background. Both your parents, athletes. Your father, Carl, professional long 492 00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:08,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: distance runner. Your mom was a sprinter, so I guess 493 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:10,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: that's where some of that fast twitch comes from. 494 00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:14,790 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, I know. I'm very lucky with my genes, I 495 00:28:14,790 --> 00:28:17,730 Calli Hauger-Thackery: won't lie. My mom was a sprinter and then my 496 00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:21,480 Calli Hauger-Thackery: dad was more marathon focused and I'm in the middle. 497 00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:25,109 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So when I know my dad was doing his best 498 00:28:25,109 --> 00:28:28,770 Calli Hauger-Thackery: in the '90s, in 1993 when I was born, and there were people 499 00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:32,550 Calli Hauger-Thackery: coming in wanting to interview him and there was this 500 00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:36,540 Calli Hauger-Thackery: newspaper article and just read, " Baby, you were born to run," because 501 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:40,440 Calli Hauger-Thackery: of my genes. And it's ironic that I do run 502 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:45,240 Calli Hauger-Thackery: still, I might not have. I might not have chosen that route, but yeah, 503 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,000 Calli Hauger-Thackery: no, it's working out so far. I definitely think I'm 504 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,209 Calli Hauger-Thackery: more on my dad's side. I try and fake the 505 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:54,720 Calli Hauger-Thackery: fast twitch stuff. I try my best to keep that 506 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,630 Calli Hauger-Thackery: going and keep that alive, but I think the marathon 507 00:28:57,630 --> 00:28:59,580 Calli Hauger-Thackery: was always going to be the one what chose me, 508 00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:02,070 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I guess. I always say that I think the marathon definitely 509 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:03,120 Calli Hauger-Thackery: chose me, for sure. 510 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: I was going to ask you about that. When did 511 00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:08,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: you know, Calli? When did you know marathon was your thing? 512 00:29:09,690 --> 00:29:14,550 Calli Hauger-Thackery: On my debut. My debut, I did not know I 513 00:29:14,550 --> 00:29:16,830 Calli Hauger-Thackery: was going to run 2: 22, I won't lie. I 514 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:19,440 Calli Hauger-Thackery: was thinking, on a good day, I probably will run 2: 515 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,710 Calli Hauger-Thackery: 24, 2:25. So when I saw 2: 22, I was like, " Oh, ( 516 00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:26,520 Calli Hauger-Thackery: beep), okay, I'm now a marathon runner and this is going to be my event moving 517 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,360 Calli Hauger-Thackery: forward. So goodbye to the 5K and we're going to 518 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,630 Calli Hauger-Thackery: go all in on the marathon." So yeah, no, it 519 00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:35,820 Calli Hauger-Thackery: was funny. It's bittersweet because I do love the track 520 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:39,330 Calli Hauger-Thackery: stuff, but everyone around me has been like, "You're a marathon runner. 521 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,920 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Your biomechanics, your family history, everything points to the marathon." 522 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,640 Calli Hauger-Thackery: And I just think I tried to not listen to 523 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,410 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it. I knew I always was going to do one, 524 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,810 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I knew it, I just didn't know it was going to 525 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:58,380 Calli Hauger-Thackery: be now. And funnily enough, I really do enjoy it. 526 00:29:58,410 --> 00:30:00,810 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I'm talking about it in a negative way, but I do. 527 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,410 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I can't believe how much I enjoy the distance. It's 528 00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:06,660 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just so different from the track. But like we were 529 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:09,630 Calli Hauger-Thackery: talking about earlier, the only thing what I don't love 530 00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:14,460 Calli Hauger-Thackery: about the marathon is the fact that if one goes bad, you can't just go 531 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:18,540 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and do one like two weeks after. Whereas the 5K, if I had 532 00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:21,420 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a bad race, it's like, " Oh, it's not the end 533 00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:22,890 Calli Hauger-Thackery: of the world. I can go and jump in one 534 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:25,470 Calli Hauger-Thackery: next week or the week after and I still could actually 535 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,930 Calli Hauger-Thackery: turn it around." So it's just different. 536 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:33,030 Becs Gentry: Yeah, it really is. It really is so, so different, but I love 537 00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:36,090 Becs Gentry: the excitement that you have for it and the passion. 538 00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:39,420 Becs Gentry: And I think it's really inspiring to our younger athletes 539 00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:43,890 Becs Gentry: out there to hear you say that you're not a 540 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:46,620 Becs Gentry: big fan of the high mileage. Because, I mean, Rob 541 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:49,620 Becs Gentry: and I speak to so many different athletes over different 542 00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:53,370 Becs Gentry: distances, not just marathon runners of course, and we have 543 00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:56,340 Becs Gentry: a lot of different opinions on here. And it's really, 544 00:30:56,790 --> 00:31:02,070 Becs Gentry: really awesome to hear somebody with such incredible times say 545 00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:06,960 Becs Gentry: that you don't bust your gut on running 100, 150 miles 546 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,390 Becs Gentry: per week to get those times. You really are focusing 547 00:31:09,390 --> 00:31:12,930 Becs Gentry: on those fast twitch fibers, those short, sharp speed workouts 548 00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:15,900 Becs Gentry: and enjoying it, like dabbling in the track workouts like 549 00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:19,350 Becs Gentry: you said. And I think what we see are these 550 00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:23,760 Becs Gentry: communities coming together, but they're still quite different when you 551 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,450 Becs Gentry: think about, let's say, let's call it New York, the 552 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:32,820 Becs Gentry: Armory, the indoor workout, the track workouts versus our outdoor. 553 00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:35,700 Becs Gentry: So I love the way that you're combining it together 554 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:41,370 Becs Gentry: and you are proving that those 10K, half- marathon, those 555 00:31:41,370 --> 00:31:47,610 Becs Gentry: tempo workouts are useful for both. And I think for, 556 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,550 Becs Gentry: again, the younger athletes and the older athletes to see, " 557 00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:52,830 Becs Gentry: Okay, she can go and do these," like, " Hey, Rob, 558 00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:54,481 Becs Gentry: shush," which you could do it- 559 00:31:54,481 --> 00:32:03,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: No, I'm excited too, Becs, because I feel like Calli's giving me a justification to not run 75, 100 miles in a week. 560 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: I don't want to do that and I still want to be able to go 561 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: run a marathon from time to time. And so I 562 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:11,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: think it's a great approach if you can do it. 563 00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:13,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: I also feel like for me, Calli, I don't know 564 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: about you, me as an amateur athlete, much, much older 565 00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:22,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: than you, it just also I think keeps me more injury- 566 00:32:22,050 --> 00:32:25,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: free, less likely to get hurt as I'm trying to 567 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: get ready for a race. Is that part of your 568 00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:27,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: logic as well? 569 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:32,790 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Definitely, yeah. It's funny because if you looked at my 570 00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:36,390 Calli Hauger-Thackery: marathon training before my debut, on paper, you will not 571 00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:39,600 Calli Hauger-Thackery: say it's marathon training. It was very much like I 572 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,570 Calli Hauger-Thackery: say, I was doing more 5Ks, half- marathon. I did 573 00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:45,720 Calli Hauger-Thackery: a few half- marathons within that, but it was very 574 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,490 Calli Hauger-Thackery: much a lot of fast twitch, high intensity stuff. And 575 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:52,650 Calli Hauger-Thackery: we were like, " Oh wow, your ceiling is very high." 576 00:32:52,650 --> 00:32:54,570 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Everyone around me was like, " Yeah, your ceiling is very 577 00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:57,479 Calli Hauger-Thackery: high because we've not even touched on marathon work yet." 578 00:32:58,530 --> 00:33:01,890 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So obviously then afterwards, I did start doing more marathon- 579 00:33:01,890 --> 00:33:04,500 Calli Hauger-Thackery: based sessions and tried to up my mileage a little 580 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:08,760 Calli Hauger-Thackery: bit, obviously within reason. But it's funny, because I still 581 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,240 Calli Hauger-Thackery: find that before my debut that just works for me, 582 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,980 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I just realize more and more. I try not to 583 00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:18,480 Calli Hauger-Thackery: get caught up on mileage at all. And I love 584 00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:21,510 Calli Hauger-Thackery: the versatility of all the events. I think it really 585 00:33:21,510 --> 00:33:25,470 Calli Hauger-Thackery: does complement the 5K, the 10K. And funnily enough, people ask me, " 586 00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:27,930 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Oh, how different is the training?" And I'm like, " It's 587 00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:30,960 Calli Hauger-Thackery: really not a whole lot different, marathon training versus 5K 588 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,200 Calli Hauger-Thackery: training to me." Because like I say, I just didn't 589 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,610 Calli Hauger-Thackery: do this massive jump where, okay, I've gone from 70, 80 miles 590 00:33:38,610 --> 00:33:42,180 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to then 120, because that wasn't the case. I just 591 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:45,030 Calli Hauger-Thackery: think because I got my VO2 max up really high 592 00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:49,440 Calli Hauger-Thackery: from the work I did, like the 5K work, that 593 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,120 Calli Hauger-Thackery: translated into a really good, strong marathon for me. 594 00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:59,940 Becs Gentry: Do you think that you maintain some of that speed 595 00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:06,870 Becs Gentry: work with the memory of the 5K in order for 596 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:11,400 Becs Gentry: you to keep that door open to return to competing 597 00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:12,360 Becs Gentry: in the 5K? 598 00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:16,230 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I think a little bit, yeah. I think I'll always 599 00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:19,620 Calli Hauger-Thackery: have a soft spot for the track until I can't do 600 00:34:19,620 --> 00:34:22,710 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it anymore. I just think there's still a lot of 601 00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:27,420 Calli Hauger-Thackery: untapped, unfinished business I still have to do. And it's more for me, honestly. 602 00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:30,989 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I know what I can do in the 5K still. 603 00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:33,989 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I think a lot of people, my sponsor probably, it's 604 00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:39,150 Calli Hauger-Thackery: definitely me based on the marathon. But do you know what? They're great and Nike 605 00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:41,820 Calli Hauger-Thackery: have even said, " Yeah." And so I still have bonuses within the 606 00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:44,640 Calli Hauger-Thackery: 5K and the 10K. I'm like, " Well, okay." So I think this is the year. It's 607 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,150 Calli Hauger-Thackery: not an Olympic year. I think I'm going to go 608 00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:53,670 Calli Hauger-Thackery: all in. After the Boston Marathon, I can then be like, "Okay, I've done my marathon for 609 00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:57,180 Calli Hauger-Thackery: the year and then summertime I can do some track 610 00:34:57,180 --> 00:35:00,509 Calli Hauger-Thackery: races and see where it takes me." I don't find 611 00:35:00,510 --> 00:35:02,819 Calli Hauger-Thackery: any pressure with it all. I just find it fun. 612 00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:06,420 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I just think, like I say, it just mixes it up a bit. 613 00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:08,550 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Because if I just fully go on the marathon all 614 00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:12,000 Calli Hauger-Thackery: year, if I'm just fully thinking about marathons, it just 615 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,719 Calli Hauger-Thackery: kind of takes the fun away personally for me. I 616 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,239 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just like to mix it up. And then maybe I finish with a marathon 617 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,910 Calli Hauger-Thackery: in December, who knows, all being well, if my body 618 00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:24,359 Calli Hauger-Thackery: allows me to do that. But yeah, why not mix 619 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,670 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it up a little bit and try and be competitive 620 00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:29,790 Calli Hauger-Thackery: still on the track if I'm still able to? I've 621 00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:33,239 Calli Hauger-Thackery: still never done a 10, 000- meter race. I've only done 10K 622 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:37,110 Calli Hauger-Thackery: on the road. I've never done a track 10,000 meters 623 00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:39,811 Calli Hauger-Thackery: before, so I really want to do my debut this year. 624 00:35:39,811 --> 00:35:39,812 Becs Gentry: Ooh, heard it here first, everyone. 625 00:35:39,812 --> 00:35:50,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: I like it. Very cool. Calli, you're coached by your partner, your husband, Nick. I'm 626 00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:52,531 Rob Simmelkjaer: always wondering how those relationships go. 627 00:35:52,531 --> 00:35:52,532 Becs Gentry: Oh my gosh, we do. 628 00:35:52,531 --> 00:35:56,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: It always amazes me when people are able to do that. 629 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,290 Becs Gentry: It would not work in my house. 630 00:36:00,570 --> 00:36:03,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: I just want to know, how's that going because it 631 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:05,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: seems like it's going pretty well? So you're going to 632 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:06,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: stick with that arrangement for a while? 633 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,219 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, I can't imagine being coached by anyone else now. 634 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,870 Calli Hauger-Thackery: No, he's amazing. He's just got such a coach mind and 635 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:20,400 Calli Hauger-Thackery: we work collaboratively. He understands my needs and vice versa. 636 00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:23,219 Calli Hauger-Thackery: He just sees me day in, day out, so he 637 00:36:23,219 --> 00:36:25,050 Calli Hauger-Thackery: knows my energy. He can just look at me and 638 00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:26,910 Calli Hauger-Thackery: know when I'm going to have a good day or a bad day 639 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,230 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just for my biomechanics each day and stuff. So he's 640 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:33,270 Calli Hauger-Thackery: very good at reading me and knowing when to pull 641 00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:36,330 Calli Hauger-Thackery: me back and when to push me. Obviously I always want to push, 642 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:39,840 Calli Hauger-Thackery: push, push, but he's like, " There's a right time for 643 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,799 Calli Hauger-Thackery: that." And most of the time, he will allow me 644 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,140 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to push a bit, but sometimes it's like, " Okay, this 645 00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:50,010 Calli Hauger-Thackery: workout isn't about that. We need to hit these times." 646 00:36:50,489 --> 00:36:53,070 Calli Hauger-Thackery: No, he's brilliant. He really has got such a good 647 00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:56,280 Calli Hauger-Thackery: coach head on him. And he also coaches many different 648 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,750 Calli Hauger-Thackery: athletes. I just trust him wholeheartedly. And I think if 649 00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:02,940 Calli Hauger-Thackery: you have that trust in a coaching relationship, you're going 650 00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:08,759 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to fly. And it makes it fun and it makes it exciting and 651 00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:11,520 Calli Hauger-Thackery: yeah, we really work well together. 652 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:18,960 Becs Gentry: I love that. You and Nick, what do you guys 653 00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:23,009 Becs Gentry: do, like what is a typical weekend in your house, 654 00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:26,550 Becs Gentry: let's say, leading up to CIM because you were both training 655 00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:29,759 Becs Gentry: for it? What does that look like for a couple 656 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,710 Becs Gentry: who are smashing these times? 657 00:37:33,150 --> 00:37:38,940 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, it's funny because obviously he responds better off ... I 658 00:37:40,890 --> 00:37:42,690 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just try and roll with him as much as I 659 00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:46,469 Calli Hauger-Thackery: can. Obviously I cut my workout shorter. So I don't 660 00:37:46,469 --> 00:37:49,770 Calli Hauger-Thackery: know. I feel like if I'm anywhere near him in 661 00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:52,651 Calli Hauger-Thackery: training, then I'm doing okay. And I mean, look at the world record now. 662 00:37:52,651 --> 00:37:52,652 Becs Gentry: Unreal. 663 00:37:52,652 --> 00:37:59,219 Calli Hauger-Thackery: If I want to be running a world record one day or anywhere close, I need to 664 00:37:59,219 --> 00:38:02,310 Calli Hauger-Thackery: be running what Nick's basically got to run himself, bless 665 00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:06,030 Calli Hauger-Thackery: him. So yeah, no, we work really well together actually 666 00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:08,700 Calli Hauger-Thackery: in our workouts. Obviously I will just do a little 667 00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:12,540 Calli Hauger-Thackery: bit less than him in each rep. So we team 668 00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:15,180 Calli Hauger-Thackery: up well together there. And then for CIM, it was 669 00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:18,900 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just a crazy week. Honestly, it's gone over my head 670 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,359 Calli Hauger-Thackery: because I can't even tell you how crazy it was 671 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,380 Calli Hauger-Thackery: with the sleep apnea stuff going on. I just remember 672 00:38:25,380 --> 00:38:28,290 Calli Hauger-Thackery: saying to Nick, I'm like, " I just need to get a full 673 00:38:28,290 --> 00:38:30,030 Calli Hauger-Thackery: night's sleep. And if I can get a full night's 674 00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:31,799 Calli Hauger-Thackery: sleep, then I can definitely win this race. But if 675 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,870 Calli Hauger-Thackery: not, it's going to be like Paris all over again. 676 00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:37,500 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So I just need to." And luckily, leading up to CIM, 677 00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:41,219 Calli Hauger-Thackery: when we got there at sea level, I was like, " 678 00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:44,010 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Okay, I can do this. I finally got some good night's 679 00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:49,170 Calli Hauger-Thackery: sleep." We were just training together each day and tapering together, 680 00:38:49,170 --> 00:38:51,090 Calli Hauger-Thackery: which is really fun. And just being on the start 681 00:38:51,090 --> 00:38:55,259 Calli Hauger-Thackery: line with him, it's such a unique experience. It's just 682 00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:59,040 Calli Hauger-Thackery: amazing being able to line up with my coach- husband 683 00:38:59,370 --> 00:39:02,040 Calli Hauger-Thackery: knowing that it was his main race for the year 684 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,051 Calli Hauger-Thackery: as well. It was just exciting. 685 00:39:04,051 --> 00:39:09,629 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right, Calli, so looking ahead to your trip to New York 686 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:12,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: to join us here for the United Airlines NYC Half, 687 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: have you spent much time here in New York? What are 688 00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:17,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: you most looking forward to doing here? 689 00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:21,719 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, I've been a few times in New York. I 690 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,960 Calli Hauger-Thackery: do love it there. It's just such a cool place 691 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,529 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to be. And oh my gosh, what's not to love 692 00:39:28,530 --> 00:39:33,120 Calli Hauger-Thackery: about Central Park and just that area in general? It's 693 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,940 Calli Hauger-Thackery: just so cool. Yeah, I don't know. 694 00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:38,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: Is there a museum or a restaurant or maybe a 695 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,779 Rob Simmelkjaer: show you want to check out? 696 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:44,190 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I need to do all that. I need to do it. I feel like I go and see all 697 00:39:44,190 --> 00:39:47,730 Calli Hauger-Thackery: the big city stuff and then I never actually take 698 00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:49,860 Calli Hauger-Thackery: myself to a museum. I mean Sam looks after us 699 00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:55,469 Calli Hauger-Thackery: very well, obviously. Last year, what did we do? We kind of 700 00:39:55,469 --> 00:39:58,529 Calli Hauger-Thackery: laid low, didn't we, I feel like, but then I ended 701 00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:01,920 Calli Hauger-Thackery: up getting really sick. It was one race. I've never had 702 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,060 Calli Hauger-Thackery: it before, but I got really, really sick to the point where 703 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,350 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I was blowing my nose honestly every minute the day 704 00:40:10,350 --> 00:40:12,420 Calli Hauger-Thackery: before. So I'm like, " I just need to kick it." 705 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:14,340 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So I did all of the things you can think of like 706 00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:17,610 Calli Hauger-Thackery: ginger shots, chicken noodle soup. I'm like, " Okay, I'm going 707 00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:19,589 Calli Hauger-Thackery: to kick it, I'm going to kick it." And then 708 00:40:19,739 --> 00:40:24,450 Calli Hauger-Thackery: actually, miraculously, I woke up the morning of the race and I 709 00:40:24,450 --> 00:40:27,540 Calli Hauger-Thackery: felt great. I could breathe again. I'm like, " Okay, I've 710 00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:30,810 Calli Hauger-Thackery: got away with this. Wow." So then I'm warming up. I'm thinking, " 711 00:40:31,590 --> 00:40:35,730 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Okay, I think I can do this." But do you know 712 00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:39,120 Calli Hauger-Thackery: what I did not think about was how the ginger 713 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,281 Calli Hauger-Thackery: shots and the chicken noodle soup would affect my stomach. 714 00:40:41,281 --> 00:40:44,851 Becs Gentry: Oh, no. Oh, no. 715 00:40:44,851 --> 00:40:47,760 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So during the race, honestly, all I was thinking about was like, " 716 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,790 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Just don't vomit, don't vomit." There's a helicopter above me, 717 00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:53,520 Calli Hauger-Thackery: there's people, the cameras were everywhere. And I'm thinking, " Oh 718 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,980 Calli Hauger-Thackery: no, this is going to be where I lose all 719 00:40:55,980 --> 00:41:00,450 Calli Hauger-Thackery: dignity. I'm just going to end up vomiting on camera." So 720 00:41:00,450 --> 00:41:03,120 Calli Hauger-Thackery: as long as I don't have that experience again. 721 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:04,530 Becs Gentry: Oh, no. 722 00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:08,940 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Luckily I didn't vomit, but my stomach was not in a good 723 00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:12,330 Calli Hauger-Thackery: way. I somehow got to the finish line and a semi- 724 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,140 Calli Hauger-Thackery: okay performance, but I just can't wait to get redemption from that 725 00:41:16,290 --> 00:41:18,839 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and just hopefully not get sick- 726 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:18,841 Becs Gentry: I can absolutely imagine. 727 00:41:18,841 --> 00:41:24,989 Calli Hauger-Thackery: ... and go and have a good experience and get some redemption in New York, 728 00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:25,589 Calli Hauger-Thackery: for sure. 729 00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:30,661 Rob Simmelkjaer: Sometimes winning is winning. Sometimes winning is finishing without vomiting, right? So there you go. 730 00:41:30,661 --> 00:41:39,569 Becs Gentry: Oh my gosh. So regardless, this year's going to be probably a 731 00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:42,210 Becs Gentry: little more fun. We'll have to talk to Sam and 732 00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:44,879 Becs Gentry: see what's on to get you guys a true New 733 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,219 Becs Gentry: York fun experience as well. 734 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,050 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, definitely. 735 00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:52,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. Well, it's great having you on the 736 00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:55,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: show. One thing I want to know, what's something about 737 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: you apart from running that when people come to watch 738 00:41:59,969 --> 00:42:02,219 Rob Simmelkjaer: you in New York, you think they should know about 739 00:42:02,219 --> 00:42:04,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: you as a person? Nothing about running, about Calli. 740 00:42:05,850 --> 00:42:10,230 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Oh, I'm going to ask Nick. I'm looking at Nick. 741 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:18,509 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I don't know. I don't know. I'm just a dork. I don't know, 742 00:42:18,509 --> 00:42:21,870 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I'm happy- go- lucky, very. People know me as the happy- go- 743 00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:26,969 Calli Hauger-Thackery: lucky one. I very much just love what I do genuinely and I hope people 744 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,969 Calli Hauger-Thackery: can see that authentically. I do absolutely love what I 745 00:42:29,969 --> 00:42:31,860 Calli Hauger-Thackery: do. I feel very lucky and I always get on 746 00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:35,670 Calli Hauger-Thackery: the start line and I just think, " I get to 747 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:40,350 Calli Hauger-Thackery: do this." I'm just grateful to be doing what I 748 00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:42,750 Calli Hauger-Thackery: do. And I love it when people come up to 749 00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:45,629 Calli Hauger-Thackery: me and say hello and things like that. I just 750 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:47,610 Calli Hauger-Thackery: love the running community. I think it's the best thing 751 00:42:47,610 --> 00:42:50,850 Calli Hauger-Thackery: ever. I don't know. Funnily enough, I don't know about any random 752 00:42:50,850 --> 00:42:52,440 Calli Hauger-Thackery: facts other than running, sorry. 753 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:56,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: Well, it is what you do. It is what you 754 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:58,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: do. You spend a lot of time doing it. But hey, a 755 00:42:58,530 --> 00:43:02,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: takeaway for listeners, if you see Calli Hauger- Thackery out there in 756 00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:04,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York, she wants you to come say hello. So 757 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:08,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: say hello. She loves the fans and loves to interact 758 00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:11,009 Rob Simmelkjaer: with people. So that's a beautiful thing right there because 759 00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:14,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: I tell you, our members, our fans, our running community 760 00:43:14,969 --> 00:43:17,279 Rob Simmelkjaer: in New York, they get so excited- 761 00:43:17,279 --> 00:43:17,280 Becs Gentry: They do. 762 00:43:17,279 --> 00:43:20,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: ... when they're able to meet someone who is your 763 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: caliber of runner and actually have that person be excited 764 00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:27,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: to meet them. So I think that's a takeaway for 765 00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:29,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: everybody listening who's going to be in New York in March. 766 00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:33,299 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Nick's just whispered something as well. He said, " Say about 767 00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:36,450 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Australia." So I haven't had the typical route. I lived 768 00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:38,310 Calli Hauger-Thackery: in Australia for quite a few years and I was 769 00:43:39,570 --> 00:43:42,360 Calli Hauger-Thackery: stuck there during COVID in the end. So I literally 770 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,810 Calli Hauger-Thackery: couldn't get away and I was doing farm work just to keep my 771 00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:48,270 Calli Hauger-Thackery: visa and things like that. So I've been like a lumberjack in 772 00:43:48,270 --> 00:43:50,730 Calli Hauger-Thackery: the open forest in Australia just to keep my visa 773 00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:53,910 Calli Hauger-Thackery: and haven't had the normal trajectory a lot of professional 774 00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:58,560 Calli Hauger-Thackery: athletes have had. I like to travel a lot and that gets 775 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,919 Calli Hauger-Thackery: me into situations sometimes, but it's fun and it makes life 776 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,440 Calli Hauger-Thackery: interesting. And I've seen a lot of the world, so 777 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,279 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I'm very lucky. 778 00:44:06,029 --> 00:44:08,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: Okay, I like that. So you were actually a lumberjack, you 779 00:44:08,730 --> 00:44:09,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: were cutting stuff down? 780 00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:14,010 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I was literally chopping down trees to keep my visa 781 00:44:14,010 --> 00:44:16,530 Calli Hauger-Thackery: in Australia, yeah, because you have to do three months 782 00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:22,800 Calli Hauger-Thackery: of farm work to stay there. So I was like, "Wow, I've got to somehow get a farm 783 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,900 Calli Hauger-Thackery: work job." Me and my friend out there was like, "We need to cut 784 00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:30,900 Calli Hauger-Thackery: down trees." And we were getting paid by the hectare. 785 00:44:31,469 --> 00:44:35,460 Calli Hauger-Thackery: So I was chopping down trees, I'm like, " Come on, 786 00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:37,171 Calli Hauger-Thackery: we've got this." Oh my God. 787 00:44:37,171 --> 00:44:41,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: Did you get to know how to use a chainsaw, Calli, as 788 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: part of that or were you just using a plain old ax? 789 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,100 Calli Hauger-Thackery: I watched people, but no, I didn't ever use the 790 00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:51,211 Calli Hauger-Thackery: chainsaw. It was just like the scissors, the big scissors. 791 00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:51,212 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, wow. 792 00:44:51,211 --> 00:44:51,212 Becs Gentry: Wow. 793 00:44:51,212 --> 00:44:51,812 Rob Simmelkjaer: Shears. 794 00:44:58,860 --> 00:44:58,861 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, there you go. 795 00:44:58,861 --> 00:45:01,200 Becs Gentry: That's amazing. There we go, that's endurance for you as well. 796 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:01,290 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Right. 797 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,860 Becs Gentry: And that's definitely something I think that us Brits, we 798 00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:08,010 Becs Gentry: really get. Rob, I don't know whether it's the same 799 00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:10,439 Becs Gentry: in the US but for Brits, we get a three- 800 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,640 Becs Gentry: month working visa in Australia. So a lot of people 801 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,430 Becs Gentry: of Calli and I's, probably, age have done that. I 802 00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:20,520 Becs Gentry: definitely. Calli, it was also a long time ago. I 803 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,770 Becs Gentry: was 18 when I did that, but I was string 804 00:45:22,770 --> 00:45:29,370 Becs Gentry: bean picking, really wasn't cool. So I feel you. 805 00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:33,420 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Yeah, no. It's so worth it though to live in Australia 806 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:35,910 Calli Hauger-Thackery: for a little bit. It's such a different lifestyle over there, 807 00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:36,061 Calli Hauger-Thackery: isn't it? 808 00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:36,062 Becs Gentry: Exactly. 809 00:45:36,061 --> 00:45:39,270 Calli Hauger-Thackery: You definitely feel like down under. 810 00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:42,060 Becs Gentry: Yeah, upside down. 811 00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:46,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: The benefits of being a member of the Commonwealth all 812 00:45:46,739 --> 00:45:50,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: sounds lovely. You get to string bean pick or cut down 813 00:45:50,370 --> 00:45:53,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: trees in Australia. We just have to go be tourists there 814 00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:56,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: for Americans, but I love it. Calli, great, that's a 815 00:45:56,850 --> 00:46:00,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: fun fact, very funny stuff. And best of luck to 816 00:46:00,810 --> 00:46:04,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: you on the training, getting ready for New York and 817 00:46:04,739 --> 00:46:06,989 Rob Simmelkjaer: then obviously for Boston. But we can't wait to see 818 00:46:06,989 --> 00:46:10,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: you here at the starting line in Brooklyn in March. 819 00:46:10,980 --> 00:46:12,750 Calli Hauger-Thackery: Thank you so much guys. I can't wait to be there. 820 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:31,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: Danielle Grimley, a 41- year- old from Colorado, redefined determination 821 00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:37,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: at the 2024 TCS New York City Marathon. Diagnosed with Ehlers- Danlos 822 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: syndrome, which affects connective tissues around joints, Danielle faced an 823 00:46:41,969 --> 00:46:45,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: unexpected injury mid- race that left her completing the final 824 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,469 Rob Simmelkjaer: nine miles on crutches. But thanks to her months of 825 00:46:49,469 --> 00:46:52,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: training, her willpower, and the help of two New York 826 00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:56,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: Road Runners volunteers, she crossed the finish line after more 827 00:46:56,340 --> 00:46:59,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: than 10 hours on the course. Her story is a 828 00:46:59,580 --> 00:47:03,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: testament to the power of community and underlines why New 829 00:47:03,210 --> 00:47:07,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: York Road Runners is so committed to celebrating every last 830 00:47:07,050 --> 00:47:10,319 Rob Simmelkjaer: finisher of the TCS New York City Marathon. Let's hear 831 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: more about Danielle's incredible journey as she joins Meb. 832 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:17,819 Meb Keflezighi: Thanks, Rob. Danielle, welcome to the Set the Pace podcast. How you 833 00:47:17,820 --> 00:47:21,840 Meb Keflezighi: feeling today? And can you please take us back to 834 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,490 Meb Keflezighi: the moment you realized your hip injury derailed your race? What 835 00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,340 Meb Keflezighi: went through your mind and how did you decide to continue? 836 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,670 Danielle Grimley: Awesome, thank you so much. It's great to be here. 837 00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:42,030 Danielle Grimley: Well, this is my first marathon, so what an experience, right? 838 00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:49,529 Danielle Grimley: So I trained for roughly a year. I had some 839 00:47:49,530 --> 00:47:55,560 Danielle Grimley: health diagnosis in the beginning of 2024 that pushed me 840 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,080 Danielle Grimley: back about four months till I can get those figured 841 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,560 Danielle Grimley: out. But once I was cleared to go and start 842 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,420 Danielle Grimley: running, I was pretty excited. I'm a New York kid, 843 00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:08,790 Danielle Grimley: I grew up on Long Island. I've cheered the marathon 844 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:13,890 Danielle Grimley: on for years, both in person and virtually. So it's 845 00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:19,530 Danielle Grimley: been a dream of mine to participate. So going into 846 00:48:19,530 --> 00:48:25,260 Danielle Grimley: the marathon, unbeknownst to me, I actually came in with the injury. 847 00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:28,860 Danielle Grimley: So I started the race with the injury. I had 848 00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:32,400 Danielle Grimley: a great shakeout run the day before. I was under 849 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,730 Danielle Grimley: the care of a physical therapist, all the things. So 850 00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:38,549 Danielle Grimley: I did everything in my power to prevent an injury. 851 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:45,089 Danielle Grimley: But joining the race, I did have a hip stress 852 00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:51,719 Danielle Grimley: fracture unfortunately. I had a pretty decent race in the 853 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,780 Danielle Grimley: beginning. I think when I started on the Verrazano, most 854 00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:57,810 Danielle Grimley: people say, " You're going to be really excited and ready 855 00:48:57,810 --> 00:49:00,870 Danielle Grimley: to go." I started on that bridge and I was 856 00:49:00,870 --> 00:49:06,180 Danielle Grimley: like, "Oh, I don't love this." I knew things were a 857 00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:09,840 Danielle Grimley: little off from the start of the race, but I 858 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,989 Danielle Grimley: kind of chalked that up to not every run is 859 00:49:13,290 --> 00:49:16,049 Danielle Grimley: going to be a great run. On my long runs, I did 860 00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:18,630 Danielle Grimley: great on some and others I struggled with and this 861 00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:21,930 Danielle Grimley: was just the cards I was dealt. I was hoping 862 00:49:21,930 --> 00:49:24,989 Danielle Grimley: that I would shake that off in the later portions of 863 00:49:24,989 --> 00:49:30,000 Danielle Grimley: the race. So things were progressing pretty well for the 864 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,810 Danielle Grimley: first half. It wasn't until I got onto the Queensboro 865 00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:38,489 Danielle Grimley: Bridge around mile 15 that I noticed my pace was 866 00:49:38,489 --> 00:49:41,700 Danielle Grimley: really slower than I anticipated. I wasn't going for a 867 00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:45,390 Danielle Grimley: pace goal, but it was pretty slow. And the dull 868 00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:49,170 Danielle Grimley: ache that I had experienced earlier in the race turned into 869 00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:52,049 Danielle Grimley: a little bit more of a sharper pain. And so 870 00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:59,940 Danielle Grimley: from miles 15 to roughly somewhere between 16 and 17, I couldn't 871 00:49:59,940 --> 00:50:03,480 Danielle Grimley: really put weight on it anymore. And I was on 872 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,150 Danielle Grimley: the 1st Avenue where the crowds are crazy and it's 873 00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:10,770 Danielle Grimley: really exciting. I actually was holding onto a stanchion and 874 00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:16,980 Danielle Grimley: someone got me into the med tent, very thankful for 875 00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:20,580 Danielle Grimley: that. I can't remember the gentleman's name. He was wonderful. 876 00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:27,360 Danielle Grimley: He was a volunteer in the med tent and checked 877 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,630 Danielle Grimley: me out. He said, " Look, you can't put weight on 878 00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:32,730 Danielle Grimley: it. You're not going to be able to walk or 879 00:50:32,730 --> 00:50:35,520 Danielle Grimley: run this. I don't think you're going to finish today." 880 00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:40,110 Danielle Grimley: And oddly enough, my immediate reaction was just like, " No, 881 00:50:42,270 --> 00:50:48,270 Danielle Grimley: we're finishing. Do you have crutches?" And he looked at 882 00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:51,900 Danielle Grimley: me and he was like, " Yeah. Yeah, we can get you 883 00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:55,319 Danielle Grimley: crutches." And gave me crutches and then I started the 884 00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:01,110 Danielle Grimley: trek from there. It just wasn't even a decision, it 885 00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:02,880 Danielle Grimley: just was like, " I have to keep going." 886 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,150 Meb Keflezighi: And that's marathons, you have to keep going. You mentioned 887 00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:10,080 Meb Keflezighi: the incredible support you received from volunteers like Joshua Borzooyeh 888 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,440 Meb Keflezighi: and Thomas Kim. How did they encourage you, the impact, 889 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,320 Meb Keflezighi: the ability to finish the marathon on crutches? 890 00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:22,020 Danielle Grimley: They were incredible. I mean, I think I had known 891 00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:25,680 Danielle Grimley: about the final finishers program from listening to this podcast 892 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,830 Danielle Grimley: and seeing Kayleigh and some of the other final finishers 893 00:51:28,830 --> 00:51:35,009 Danielle Grimley: in the past online. So I can't remember exactly what 894 00:51:35,010 --> 00:51:37,379 Danielle Grimley: mile they joined me on, but they were with us 895 00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:41,520 Danielle Grimley: for a couple of hours. They started and they were 896 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,580 Danielle Grimley: behind us, so my first initial thought was like, " I'm 897 00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:47,969 Danielle Grimley: getting swept. They're pulling me off the course." And that 898 00:51:47,969 --> 00:51:53,370 Danielle Grimley: was the furthest thing. They waited back patiently and were 899 00:51:53,460 --> 00:51:57,150 Danielle Grimley: reading the situation to see what we needed. They were 900 00:51:57,150 --> 00:52:00,330 Danielle Grimley: incredible. It went from, they were hanging behind us a 901 00:52:00,330 --> 00:52:02,250 Danielle Grimley: little bit to make sure I was safe and that 902 00:52:02,250 --> 00:52:06,450 Danielle Grimley: I had everything I needed. Or if I needed any 903 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:10,230 Danielle Grimley: med support, they would've called for me too. They were 904 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:12,719 Danielle Grimley: walking next to me and Josh was pacing me on 905 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,210 Danielle Grimley: an app and making sure, " Hey, you're going to finish, 906 00:52:15,210 --> 00:52:16,739 Danielle Grimley: you're going to make it, you're going to make it." 907 00:52:16,739 --> 00:52:20,219 Danielle Grimley: And even little things. I'd been on the course for 908 00:52:20,219 --> 00:52:23,279 Danielle Grimley: over nine hours and really had only eaten gels and 909 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,750 Danielle Grimley: a couple of endurance chews. They found me pretzels and 910 00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:33,239 Danielle Grimley: it was like, " Yeah." They just really were incredible and 911 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,540 Danielle Grimley: they were with me till the end, till the very 912 00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:39,780 Danielle Grimley: end. And in fact, I haven't asked them this and 913 00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:42,299 Danielle Grimley: we've kept in touch, but I wanted to be like, " 914 00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,700 Danielle Grimley: Did your volunteer shift end and you just kind of 915 00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:46,739 Danielle Grimley: ride this out with me?" Because they were with us 916 00:52:46,739 --> 00:52:48,390 Danielle Grimley: for a really long time. 917 00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:52,710 Meb Keflezighi: New York Road Runners bring the best volunteers. I always 918 00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:56,460 Meb Keflezighi: tell people, Danielle, 90% is mental on race day and 919 00:52:56,460 --> 00:53:02,430 Meb Keflezighi: you personified that. How did your training get you to 920 00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:05,880 Meb Keflezighi: that finish line, be able to just get it, because I know, 921 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,190 Meb Keflezighi: I've been at the time in 2013 New York City 922 00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:10,560 Meb Keflezighi: Marathon, my mind says go, but my body says no. 923 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,200 Meb Keflezighi: So what was the mental aspect that pushed you to 924 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:13,859 Meb Keflezighi: that finish line? 925 00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:20,100 Danielle Grimley: I think with anything in marathon training, you're always going 926 00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,550 Danielle Grimley: to be thrown curveballs, and I had been thrown a 927 00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:26,160 Danielle Grimley: lot of curveballs on my runs, none quite like this. 928 00:53:27,330 --> 00:53:31,710 Danielle Grimley: But I think it's just I wanted to finish so 929 00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:35,580 Danielle Grimley: badly. And then the other piece too is I had 930 00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:40,319 Danielle Grimley: a lot of support. I think it would've been really 931 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:45,690 Danielle Grimley: devastating to have an injury and not finish. Most races 932 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:49,020 Danielle Grimley: don't let you finish. There's a cutoff time, so you'd 933 00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:53,370 Danielle Grimley: be injured and wouldn't have that opportunity. So knowing that 934 00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:56,279 Danielle Grimley: there was still hope and that there is a final 935 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,250 Danielle Grimley: finishers program and that they're keeping that open until well 936 00:53:59,250 --> 00:54:02,759 Danielle Grimley: into the dark, really motivated me to get through it. 937 00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:05,609 Danielle Grimley: And anything I could do to keep my mind off 938 00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:08,100 Danielle Grimley: of it towards this. Look, the last two miles were 939 00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:13,170 Danielle Grimley: pretty rough, but there were so many wonderful people still out 940 00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:15,900 Danielle Grimley: on the streets in the dark cheering me on. There 941 00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:18,930 Danielle Grimley: were people on their stoops listening to music who would 942 00:54:18,930 --> 00:54:22,649 Danielle Grimley: get up and start clapping, the NYPD. It was really 943 00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:27,090 Danielle Grimley: incredible and motivating. So that helped from a mental perspective. 944 00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:31,530 Meb Keflezighi: Pretty awesome, pretty incredible story. They say pain is temporary, 945 00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:34,710 Meb Keflezighi: pride is forever. It definitely showed that resilience to get to that 946 00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:37,380 Meb Keflezighi: finish line. So do you look ahead and see if 947 00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:41,610 Meb Keflezighi: you can tackle another marathon? What lessons will you carry 948 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:45,960 Meb Keflezighi: forward from this extraordinary accomplishment and are you going to do a marathon? 949 00:54:47,790 --> 00:54:53,400 Danielle Grimley: I think this experience has completely changed my life. And 950 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,610 Danielle Grimley: so because of this, I feel like I can really 951 00:54:56,610 --> 00:55:00,690 Danielle Grimley: do anything. When I have a tough day at work 952 00:55:00,690 --> 00:55:04,830 Danielle Grimley: or something, or I'm weightlifting and I'm like, " Okay, do 953 00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:08,520 Danielle Grimley: one more rep." And you're like, "I don't want to." But you're like, "You did a marathon. You 954 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,060 Danielle Grimley: finished a marathon on crutches, you could do it. Come on." 955 00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:15,900 Danielle Grimley: So it's really made me believe I can do anything. 956 00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:22,799 Danielle Grimley: And while I wouldn't be doing the 2025 New York 957 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,259 Danielle Grimley: City Marathon, I do have hopes to do it in 958 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:29,670 Danielle Grimley: the future. My family's going to kill me, but I 959 00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:31,589 Danielle Grimley: really would love to do New York again and get 960 00:55:31,590 --> 00:55:34,560 Danielle Grimley: the full experience of running it, even though the experience 961 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,410 Danielle Grimley: that I had was incredible, but it would be really 962 00:55:37,410 --> 00:55:41,640 Danielle Grimley: fun to run it in its entirety, for sure. So 963 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:42,450 Danielle Grimley: that is a goal. 964 00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:47,250 Meb Keflezighi: The marathon is all about resilience and perseverance and get 965 00:55:47,250 --> 00:55:48,960 Meb Keflezighi: to the finish line, whether we are in the front of 966 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,790 Meb Keflezighi: the pack, the middle of the pack, or the back of 967 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,860 Meb Keflezighi: the pack. As you were the second finisher and your 968 00:55:52,860 --> 00:55:56,550 Meb Keflezighi: story was told at the New York Times, what would 969 00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:58,800 Meb Keflezighi: you like to tell the people about your story? 970 00:55:59,820 --> 00:56:05,550 Danielle Grimley: Oh my gosh. I'm really overwhelmed with gratitude and the 971 00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:10,620 Danielle Grimley: positive outreach that I've had. That was beyond anything I 972 00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:13,980 Danielle Grimley: could have imagined. Even when I crossed the finish line, 973 00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:18,480 Danielle Grimley: I was blown away by the crowds that stayed out. 974 00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:21,960 Danielle Grimley: And what I would share is when you're injured and 975 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,930 Danielle Grimley: you've been out on the course for over 10 hours, 976 00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:33,390 Danielle Grimley: you don't feel like an athlete. I didn't feel really 977 00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:36,540 Danielle Grimley: like an athlete ever in my training. It's just something that 978 00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:39,180 Danielle Grimley: I really wanted to do. But you cross that finish 979 00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:42,420 Danielle Grimley: line and that crowd is giving you all that love 980 00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:46,710 Danielle Grimley: and support, and they are genuinely stoked, they made me 981 00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:49,500 Danielle Grimley: feel like an athlete probably at one of the lowest 982 00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:54,150 Danielle Grimley: times. And so the outreach even afterwards has been incredible. 983 00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:57,750 Danielle Grimley: So I'm just very thankful and I'm very thankful to Josh 984 00:56:57,750 --> 00:57:02,790 Danielle Grimley: and Tom, the volunteers. I feel forever connected to them 985 00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:04,890 Danielle Grimley: because we shared this experience together. 986 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,000 Meb Keflezighi: Well, we look forward to having you hopefully run the TCS 987 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,149 Meb Keflezighi: New York City Marathon and for a positive experience, but New York does 988 00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:16,020 Meb Keflezighi: show the support wherever you are to get to that finish line. So Danielle, 989 00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:18,180 Meb Keflezighi: thanks for being on the podcast with us and look 990 00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:19,530 Meb Keflezighi: forward to seeing your next marathon. 991 00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:21,090 Danielle Grimley: Thanks for having me. 992 00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:24,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. Danielle, thank you so much for joining us, an 993 00:57:24,810 --> 00:57:28,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: unbelievable and inspiring story. And thank you so much for 994 00:57:28,530 --> 00:57:31,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: being a member of New York Road Runners. Now it's 995 00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:34,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: on to the final part of our show, today's Meb Minutes. 996 00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:38,580 Meb Keflezighi: Cool downs. Training for a spring half- marathon or marathon 997 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:42,390 Meb Keflezighi: presents extra challenges with the bulk of your training taking 998 00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:45,450 Meb Keflezighi: place in the winter month, which is why a proper 999 00:57:45,450 --> 00:57:48,870 Meb Keflezighi: cool down is even more important. After braving the cold, 1000 00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:52,350 Meb Keflezighi: take the time to gradually slow your pace and walk 1001 00:57:52,350 --> 00:57:56,310 Meb Keflezighi: for a few minutes to avoid muscle tightness. Stretching, especially 1002 00:57:56,310 --> 00:58:00,270 Meb Keflezighi: in the calves, hamstring, and quads, helps prevent stiffness from 1003 00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:03,990 Meb Keflezighi: the cold weather. Your muscles are more prone to tightness 1004 00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:07,350 Meb Keflezighi: in the winter, so warming down properly ensures you to 1005 00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:10,770 Meb Keflezighi: stay injury- free and ready for your next run, even 1006 00:58:10,770 --> 00:58:13,710 Meb Keflezighi: when the temperature drops. This is what you need to 1007 00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:16,530 Meb Keflezighi: think about, pre- hab instead of rehab because you have 1008 00:58:16,530 --> 00:58:19,680 Meb Keflezighi: to think ahead of the stretches that are necessary to 1009 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,520 Meb Keflezighi: keep your body moving. 1010 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right, folks, that does it for another episode of 1011 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: Set the Pace. We want to thank our guests today, Calli Hauger- 1012 00:58:25,650 --> 00:58:30,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: Thackery and Danielle Grimley. If you liked this episode, please 1013 00:58:30,930 --> 00:58:34,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: make sure you subscribe, rate it, leave a comment wherever 1014 00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:37,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: you listen so others can find us as well. Stay 1015 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: warm out there. Enjoy the miles. We'll see you next week.