1 00:00:00,540 --> 00:00:03,300 Patina Miller: In my career, if I work really hard, I can 2 00:00:03,300 --> 00:00:05,790 Patina Miller: get the things that I want. That's how I've lived 3 00:00:05,790 --> 00:00:08,580 Patina Miller: my life. If I train hard, if I work on 4 00:00:08,580 --> 00:00:11,879 Patina Miller: my voice, if I train my body up enough, I 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,440 Patina Miller: can get on stage and I can be there eight 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,070 Patina Miller: shows a week. At some point I will do better 7 00:00:17,070 --> 00:00:19,169 Patina Miller: and at some point I will get the role and someone 8 00:00:19,530 --> 00:00:22,230 Patina Miller: will say yes. So I brought all of those things 9 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:24,750 Patina Miller: to running like, you know what? I'm going to train 10 00:00:24,750 --> 00:00:27,450 Patina Miller: right, I'm going to try and get my nutrition right. 11 00:00:27,450 --> 00:00:29,670 Patina Miller: I'm going to do all these things and that's going 12 00:00:29,670 --> 00:00:32,159 Patina Miller: to take me to the place that I need to go. 13 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:37,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hey, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Set the 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: Pace, the official podcast of New York Road Runners, presented 15 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:44,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: by Peloton. I am your host and the CEO of 16 00:00:44,370 --> 00:00:47,699 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners, Rob Simmelkjaer. And joined again from 17 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:52,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: across that little thing called the Atlantic Ocean by my 18 00:00:52,050 --> 00:00:55,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: friend and Peloton instructor, Becs Gentry, who's back in her 19 00:00:55,830 --> 00:00:59,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: homeland of the United Kingdom, joining us from London. Hello, 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becs. How is London treating you? 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,300 Becs Gentry: Good afternoon. It's fantastic. It's gray and slightly chilly, a 22 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:10,140 Becs Gentry: little bit drizzly, not meaning to take anything away from 23 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:12,420 Becs Gentry: what feels like the face of the sun apparently in 24 00:01:12,420 --> 00:01:15,569 Becs Gentry: New York, but London is divine. 25 00:01:17,010 --> 00:01:21,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: Gray and drizzly sounds amazing from a running point of 26 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:23,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: view, not from a beach- going point of view so 27 00:01:23,220 --> 00:01:26,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: much or a pool- going point of view. And we 28 00:01:26,610 --> 00:01:27,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: don't want to give that up because it is summer 29 00:01:27,990 --> 00:01:30,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: and we love those things. But from a running point 30 00:01:30,270 --> 00:01:33,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: of view, 50s and drizzly sounds really nice. 31 00:01:33,750 --> 00:01:37,020 Becs Gentry: So very, very good. Yep, I'm excited to be here, 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,310 Becs Gentry: reclaiming the miles on my stomping grounds that were eight 33 00:01:41,310 --> 00:01:45,150 Becs Gentry: years ago and longer. It's been pretty cool. Though I 34 00:01:45,150 --> 00:01:49,290 Becs Gentry: will say I thought New York roads were very uneven 35 00:01:49,470 --> 00:01:53,940 Becs Gentry: and pothole- y. And I'm so mistaken. They are, but 36 00:01:53,940 --> 00:01:55,710 Becs Gentry: we don't often run on the roads unless it's a 37 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:59,880 Becs Gentry: race. The sidewalks are a lot better than the pavements 38 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,070 Becs Gentry: here in New York because they're so old here that 39 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:05,370 Becs Gentry: they're all higgledy- piggledy everywhere and you're just like... The 40 00:02:05,370 --> 00:02:07,650 Becs Gentry: amount of times I've nearly gone and rolled my ankle 41 00:02:07,650 --> 00:02:11,400 Becs Gentry: because it's just old that I'm like, " Huh, I'm going 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,070 Becs Gentry: to start to appreciate New York a little bit more right now." 43 00:02:16,139 --> 00:02:20,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: Higgledy- piggledy, that is clearly a British term. Only a 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: Brit would say that, but I get it. That's why 45 00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:26,459 Rob Simmelkjaer: I've tried to run on the cobblestones of places like Paris 46 00:02:26,460 --> 00:02:30,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: before and my ankles, which are prone to turning, not 47 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:31,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: a thing. Not a thing for me. 48 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:32,971 Becs Gentry: It's rough. It's rough. 49 00:02:32,970 --> 00:02:36,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it, I love it. Glad you're enjoying yourself in your 50 00:02:36,750 --> 00:02:39,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: homeland. Well, back here in New York, Becks, we had 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,169 Rob Simmelkjaer: an incredible weekend this past weekend, not one but two 52 00:02:43,590 --> 00:02:48,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: amazing events. We launched our first ever Start Line Series 53 00:02:48,090 --> 00:02:51,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: in Queens on Saturday. This was, to remind everybody, a 54 00:02:51,180 --> 00:02:54,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: free two- and- a- half- mile run. It was untimed, 55 00:02:54,510 --> 00:02:58,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: unscored, open to all paces, and we produced in a 56 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:01,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: partnership the New York City Department of Transportation and their 57 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:05,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: Summer Streets program. And it was so great. We had 58 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:09,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: so many runners come out. About 600 folks came out 59 00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:12,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: and started this free race. So many of them were first- 60 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: time runners. They ran down Vernon Boulevard and it was 61 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:21,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: just awesome to see this, to see so many young 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: people and new runners out there. So it was great. We 63 00:03:24,150 --> 00:03:26,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: were thrilled at how this went as a first- time 64 00:03:26,730 --> 00:03:29,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: event and we're going to be doing this again August 65 00:03:29,790 --> 00:03:34,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: 23rd in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. So anybody out there, you're 66 00:03:34,230 --> 00:03:37,619 Rob Simmelkjaer: new to running, you just want to go have a fun run, car- 67 00:03:37,620 --> 00:03:40,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: free tour of Crown Heights, go to New York Road 68 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: Runner's website, nyrr. org, and we will drop a link 69 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:46,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: in the show notes as well. Sign up. I will 70 00:03:46,380 --> 00:03:49,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: be there for that one and I cannot wait to see 71 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:53,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: that event happen again because it was really a successful first- 72 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: time event for us. And there's spaces available, they're not 73 00:03:56,250 --> 00:03:59,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: sold out, so sign up, show up and we hope 74 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: to see everybody out there, 75 00:04:00,540 --> 00:04:03,960 Becs Gentry: Rob, tell me, is it all day or morning? What's the schedule? 76 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: The race happens first thing in the morning so that 77 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: we can get the folks down and have their run 78 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:11,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: and then we give the streets back to everybody else 79 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:14,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: who's going to be strolling for the day. So on 80 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: these hot summer days, morning is the way to go 81 00:04:16,050 --> 00:04:17,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: anyway, as we both know. 82 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:19,950 Becs Gentry: So true. Oh my gosh, get down there everybody. 83 00:04:20,370 --> 00:04:22,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. Yeah, so very happy about that. And then the 84 00:04:22,380 --> 00:04:25,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: next day, Becs, was our New York Road Runners Team 85 00:04:25,290 --> 00:04:29,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: Championships Five- Miler, always a big day in Central Park 86 00:04:29,730 --> 00:04:32,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: for all the club runners out there. And again it was- 87 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,599 Becs Gentry: Looked pretty cool. 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, these are some of the most hardcore dedicated runners 89 00:04:38,370 --> 00:04:41,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: in our New York City running community and they had 90 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:44,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great day. The individual results, I'll name out, I'll 91 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: call a few names. Felicia Pasadyn, she's been an incredible 92 00:04:49,529 --> 00:04:51,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: runner, kind of a new discovery in the New York 93 00:04:51,870 --> 00:04:54,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: Running Circuit. She won the women's side with a time 94 00:04:54,690 --> 00:05:00,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: of 26:43. She's from the new club of 212 Athletic. 95 00:05:00,660 --> 00:05:03,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: You might remember Felicia also won the Brooklyn Half. The non- 96 00:05:03,990 --> 00:05:08,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: binary winner was Jacob Caswell at 28:30 from Front Runners 97 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:10,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York. And on the men's side it was Ryan 98 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: Kutch from Central Park Track Club, Tracksmith with a time 99 00:05:13,950 --> 00:05:19,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: of 23: 43. Congrats to those individual winners. And on 100 00:05:19,170 --> 00:05:22,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: the team side, the women's team was Central Park Track 101 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: Club. Non- binary, Front Runners New York. And the men's 102 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:30,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: winning team was Brooklyn Track Club. So hope everybody had 103 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:33,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great day at the team championships. Sorry I missed 104 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:35,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: it, it's such a fun day. I'll be there next 105 00:05:35,250 --> 00:05:38,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: year for sure because I love that event and hope 106 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:46,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: everybody had a great, great day. All right, Becs. We are 107 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: here taping in the last week of July. And as 108 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:53,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: I talked about last week, I am running the Bank 109 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,919 Rob Simmelkjaer: of America Chicago Marathon. By the way, I did not 110 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,989 Rob Simmelkjaer: mention, as I should have done last week, that I 111 00:05:57,990 --> 00:06:02,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: am running again to support Team for Kids. You'll hear 112 00:06:02,220 --> 00:06:05,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: later in the show our guest today, Patina Miller, talking 113 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:08,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: about her role as a mentor for our Run for 114 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Future program. That's one of the many amazing community 115 00:06:12,570 --> 00:06:14,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: and youth programs we have at New York Road Runners 116 00:06:14,850 --> 00:06:17,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: that benefit from the funds raised for Team for Kids. 117 00:06:17,850 --> 00:06:20,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: So of course , as the CEO of New York Road 118 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:23,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: Runners, I'm running to benefit Team for Kids and would 119 00:06:23,010 --> 00:06:25,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: love your support. I need your support, we need your 120 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:29,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: support. The link to my personal Team for Kids fundraising 121 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:32,339 Rob Simmelkjaer: page is in the show notes, so please check it 122 00:06:32,339 --> 00:06:36,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: out and I would really love and appreciate everybody's support. 123 00:06:37,050 --> 00:06:40,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: And then speaking of support, Becks, there's the support I'm 124 00:06:40,050 --> 00:06:42,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: going to need to try to not only finish this 125 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:46,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon but also try to accomplish my goal of running 126 00:06:46,050 --> 00:06:49,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: a Boston qualifying time of three hours and 30 minutes. 127 00:06:49,589 --> 00:06:52,229 Rob Simmelkjaer: And right now, I'm just kind of still working to 128 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:55,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: build that base. I ran 14 miles over the weekend 129 00:06:55,020 --> 00:06:57,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: as my long run, so that was good. That's actually probably a 130 00:06:57,390 --> 00:06:58,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: little ahead of schedule, right? 131 00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:02,100 Becs Gentry: I think you're going to be fantastic. Sub 3: 30, 132 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:05,040 Becs Gentry: we're looking at what? A sub just around a 7: 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,670 Becs Gentry: 25 pace, I think is what we're looking at maybe. 134 00:07:09,060 --> 00:07:12,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: Slower actually. I think if I get it done on 135 00:07:12,330 --> 00:07:14,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: the mile side it's more like a just under eight 136 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:15,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: minute pace. Yeah, which is- 137 00:07:15,660 --> 00:07:16,441 Becs Gentry: Just under eight minute pace, yeah. 138 00:07:16,441 --> 00:07:21,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: Which is where I've been. That's really where I've been as a runner for 139 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:23,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: a while. As I was joking with you last week, 140 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:27,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: I haven't gotten a lot faster as a runner over 141 00:07:27,090 --> 00:07:30,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: the years, but I've also not gotten slower. My times 142 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:32,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: have stayed kind of the same. 143 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:34,920 Becs Gentry: I like that and that means that the only way 144 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,850 Becs Gentry: is up when it comes to this next race. So 145 00:07:38,850 --> 00:07:40,770 Becs Gentry: I've sort of jiggled it around for Rob. He's going 146 00:07:40,770 --> 00:07:44,580 Becs Gentry: to be peaking at about a 22- mile- long run around 147 00:07:44,580 --> 00:07:47,700 Becs Gentry: a month away from the race. And we're going to do drop- 148 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:51,240 Becs Gentry: down. So I do love to do that for my 149 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,970 Becs Gentry: runners, is I don't like it to be always a 150 00:07:53,970 --> 00:07:57,210 Becs Gentry: consistent build all the way up to that longest run 151 00:07:57,210 --> 00:08:00,690 Becs Gentry: and then the drop- down to the race because especially, 152 00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:02,670 Becs Gentry: I'm going to say this out loud, don't hate me, 153 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:06,300 Becs Gentry: but for older runners, we want to get up, I 154 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:08,610 Becs Gentry: include myself in this category now, we want to get 155 00:08:08,610 --> 00:08:13,500 Becs Gentry: up to those larger mileage weeks before the race, have 156 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:15,960 Becs Gentry: a drop- down to let the body recover, and to 157 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,080 Becs Gentry: highlight anything that we may need to work on and 158 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,470 Becs Gentry: then we'll have the chance to work on before we 159 00:08:22,470 --> 00:08:25,590 Becs Gentry: peak back up for the race. So that's how Rob's 160 00:08:25,590 --> 00:08:27,690 Becs Gentry: training is going to look. It's going to have a 161 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:31,530 Becs Gentry: little drop- down relatively soon because he's already out that 162 00:08:31,530 --> 00:08:34,380 Becs Gentry: 14 mile mark. We'll probably go up to 20, drop 163 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:36,120 Becs Gentry: you back down, and then you'll work your way back 164 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,480 Becs Gentry: up to 22 before the race. And he is going 165 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,120 Becs Gentry: to be doing some speed work, my friends, because if 166 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,070 Becs Gentry: you've been on the East Coast, you know this summer 167 00:08:44,070 --> 00:08:48,090 Becs Gentry: has been brutally hot and humid and sticky and everybody 168 00:08:48,090 --> 00:08:51,990 Becs Gentry: I speak to, Austin is training for Berlin and he's 169 00:08:52,260 --> 00:08:56,339 Becs Gentry: struggling with speed work. He's just really... Long runs of 170 00:08:56,340 --> 00:08:59,550 Becs Gentry: speed work are suffering. So it's about getting on your 171 00:08:59,550 --> 00:09:02,280 Becs Gentry: tread, ideally a Peloton tread. I'm going to get you 172 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,710 Becs Gentry: into my classes and we're going to do some speed 173 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:08,280 Becs Gentry: work, just some... It doesn't have to be complicated. It 174 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,170 Becs Gentry: does not have to be overly fast, okay? Simple workouts 175 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:16,620 Becs Gentry: doesn't mean it's an easy workout, a simple workout, repetitions, 176 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:21,660 Becs Gentry: getting your cardiovascular capacity increased and strong in air conditioning 177 00:09:22,170 --> 00:09:24,449 Becs Gentry: is good. So for my treadmill haters out there, I'm 178 00:09:24,450 --> 00:09:26,160 Becs Gentry: sorry, but you may have to suck it up this 179 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:32,940 Becs Gentry: summer because there's goals and there's stubbornness. So all I have to say on that matter. 180 00:09:33,210 --> 00:09:35,939 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it makes sense, the treadmill angle, Becks. And I 181 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:39,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: actually went out this morning and got on a treadmill 182 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: just to try to do a few mile repeats at 183 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: a good pace and I don't know, there's something going 184 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: on with my speed ability right now that just is 185 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,079 Rob Simmelkjaer: off. And it's weird actually between a workout and a 186 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: race. And I'm sure people out there can relate to 187 00:09:53,850 --> 00:09:57,929 Rob Simmelkjaer: this. I struggled this morning to do a couple of 188 00:09:57,929 --> 00:10:00,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: mile repeats, like one mile and then a break and 189 00:10:00,330 --> 00:10:02,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: one mile and a break, at a time that is 190 00:10:02,820 --> 00:10:06,689 Rob Simmelkjaer: a time I ran a four- mile race in June 191 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: at, I think it was about 6: 40- something per 192 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: mile. So I rattled off four straight miles in Central Park 193 00:10:14,850 --> 00:10:18,179 Rob Simmelkjaer: at the pace that I cannot now reproduce on a 194 00:10:18,179 --> 00:10:21,929 Rob Simmelkjaer: treadmill for one mile. So something is going on and 195 00:10:21,929 --> 00:10:25,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: I think it's probably a mix of weather exhaustion and 196 00:10:25,710 --> 00:10:28,949 Rob Simmelkjaer: just some mental fatigue that I may be having as 197 00:10:28,950 --> 00:10:31,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: well because it is not happening for me right now. 198 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:35,580 Becs Gentry: No, and you're right, it's fatigue. It's also, we talk 199 00:10:35,580 --> 00:10:37,980 Becs Gentry: about comparison being the thief of joy when we compare 200 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:40,500 Becs Gentry: ourselves to other people, but we do have to bear 201 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:44,280 Becs Gentry: in mind that comparison to our other self, our older self, 202 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,970 Becs Gentry: our past self is included in that statement. So yes, 203 00:10:47,970 --> 00:10:50,670 Becs Gentry: you could do it, you can do it again, but 204 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:54,179 Becs Gentry: right now there's a lot of other factors, external, internal, 205 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,059 Becs Gentry: that are affecting you. Also, one mile on the tread 206 00:10:57,210 --> 00:11:02,002 Becs Gentry: is a while for repeats, so I think (inaudible) - 207 00:11:01,980 --> 00:11:01,981 Rob Simmelkjaer: Too much maybe. Yeah. 208 00:11:01,981 --> 00:11:04,199 Becs Gentry: Yeah, (inaudible) too long. I like to think if we're 209 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,440 Becs Gentry: a distance- based, distance- driven runner, when we come to 210 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,809 Becs Gentry: the tread, we delete that and we go to the 211 00:11:09,809 --> 00:11:12,870 Becs Gentry: other variable, which is time. And we sit into something 212 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:15,900 Becs Gentry: else because we're too used to distance outside. We know 213 00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:18,720 Becs Gentry: how it should, I'm air quoting for those of you who aren't 214 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,420 Becs Gentry: watching us, should be feeling. So we switch it to 215 00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:25,065 Becs Gentry: time and we'll start doing some four- minute repeats on 216 00:11:25,065 --> 00:11:29,370 Becs Gentry: the tread. So it puts into its own category instead 217 00:11:29,370 --> 00:11:32,251 Becs Gentry: of mileage, which is so, so familiar outside, but- 218 00:11:32,251 --> 00:11:32,252 Rob Simmelkjaer: I like it. 219 00:11:32,252 --> 00:11:35,370 Becs Gentry: ... you've got this, we've got this. Chicago's going to be 220 00:11:35,370 --> 00:11:38,002 Becs Gentry: yours. Boston's going to be yours. I've got (inaudible) - 221 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:40,439 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becs, thank you. I'm going to need this pep talk. Hope everybody 222 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,109 Rob Simmelkjaer: else gets something out of this as well. Hopefully all of 223 00:11:43,110 --> 00:11:45,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: you running New York out there can listen to all of 224 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:48,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: this. And I'll be obviously a few weeks ahead of 225 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:50,819 Rob Simmelkjaer: all of you, so hopefully you can work some of 226 00:11:50,820 --> 00:11:54,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: that into your TCS New York City Marathon training as 227 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:57,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: well. All right, Becs, we've got an incredible guest on 228 00:11:57,660 --> 00:12:02,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: today's podcast, a star of the silver screen as well 229 00:12:02,250 --> 00:12:06,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: as the stages of Broadway and a TCS New York City 230 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:11,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon two- time finisher. She's been a Tony and Grammy 231 00:12:11,130 --> 00:12:15,329 Rob Simmelkjaer: Award winner. Patina Miller will join us today on Set 232 00:12:15,330 --> 00:12:18,059 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Pace and I cannot wait to talk to this 233 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: incredible woman. She sang the national anthem for the 2023 TCS 234 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:27,179 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York City Marathon and then just walked right downstairs 235 00:12:27,179 --> 00:12:29,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: to the starting line and ran the thing. 236 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:30,002 Becs Gentry: (inaudible) . 237 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:31,829 Rob Simmelkjaer: And I haven't seen her since she did that, so 238 00:12:31,830 --> 00:12:33,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: we will catch up and I can't wait to have 239 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: a conversation with one of the great stars that we 240 00:12:37,050 --> 00:12:39,839 Rob Simmelkjaer: have in our New York City running community. Then a 241 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: little bit later on, for today's member moment, Meb's going 242 00:12:42,090 --> 00:12:48,059 Rob Simmelkjaer: to interview Leanna Scaglione, the 2025 National Ambassador for the 243 00:12:48,059 --> 00:12:52,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: Children's Tumor Foundation, who's training to take on the 2025 244 00:12:52,380 --> 00:12:55,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: Berlin Marathon. And Becs, we might be in the middle of 245 00:12:55,830 --> 00:12:59,459 Rob Simmelkjaer: a heat wave, but tens of thousands of runners have 246 00:12:59,460 --> 00:13:03,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: their eyes on the fall because we're only 13 weeks 247 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:07,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: away from the 2025 TCS New York City Marathon. That's 13 248 00:13:07,710 --> 00:13:10,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: weeks, we're inside of 100 days. 249 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,349 Becs Gentry: (inaudible) 100 days. I saw that New York Road Runners social post 250 00:13:13,350 --> 00:13:16,260 Becs Gentry: the other day and nearly fell off my chair. How? 251 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:17,579 Becs Gentry: It's come around so fast. 252 00:13:18,450 --> 00:13:20,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, it's a milestone we all mark at New York 253 00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:22,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: Road Runners because now we've got to start putting our 254 00:13:22,590 --> 00:13:25,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: game faces on and getting ready for that big day. 255 00:13:25,530 --> 00:13:27,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: Well, we know the runners out there are doing the 256 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: same and so today we're launching a special TCS New 257 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:34,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: York City Marathon Meb Minute series where Meb Keflezighi will 258 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: count down the miles to the finish line in Central 259 00:13:37,590 --> 00:13:40,979 Rob Simmelkjaer: Park. We're going to start today at the start, for 260 00:13:41,580 --> 00:13:45,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: Meb's advice at the beginning of the race, miles one 261 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:49,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: and two of the TCS New York City Marathon. Many of 262 00:13:49,020 --> 00:13:52,949 Rob Simmelkjaer: you know the highest point in the marathon is mile one 263 00:13:52,950 --> 00:13:55,679 Rob Simmelkjaer: on the Verrazzano- Narrows Bridge. So stay tuned for Meb a 264 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: little bit later in the show, as he'll start getting 265 00:13:58,140 --> 00:14:02,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: you ready for the 26.2 mile TCS New York City Marathon. 266 00:14:02,670 --> 00:14:05,550 Becs Gentry: Try the Peloton app for free and access classes for 267 00:14:05,550 --> 00:14:08,280 Becs Gentry: every type of runner, whether you're training for your first 268 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,730 Becs Gentry: race or you're a seasoned pro. 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Peloton, the official digital fitness partner 277 00:14:41,550 --> 00:14:42,480 Becs Gentry: for New York Road Runners. 278 00:14:43,380 --> 00:14:46,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: You might know her as the powerhouse lead from musicals 279 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: like Sister Act and Pippin, as well as Into the 280 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:53,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: Woods, or maybe you remember her best as Commander Paylor 281 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: in the Hunger Games, Daisy Grant in Madam Secretary, or 282 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: as Raquel Thomas in Raising Kanan. But today's guest, Patina 283 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: Miller, isn't just a Tony Award and Grammy Award- winning 284 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:07,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: actor, she is also a runner and a pretty good 285 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: one at that. She has finished the TCS New York 286 00:15:09,810 --> 00:15:13,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: City Marathon a couple of times and just ran the 2025 287 00:15:13,410 --> 00:15:18,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: TCS London Marathon in pursuit of her Six Star Medal 288 00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:22,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: in the Abbott World Marathon Majors. Patina's other roles include 289 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:26,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: mother and this summer she added the role mentor as 290 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:31,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: well, serving as a mentor for the 2025 cohort of 291 00:15:31,380 --> 00:15:34,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: our Run for the Future program at New York Road 292 00:15:34,290 --> 00:15:37,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: Runners. Patina Miller, this is an honor and a pleasure 293 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:39,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: to have you on Set the Pace. Welcome. 294 00:15:40,410 --> 00:15:42,510 Patina Miller: Oh my God, it is an honor to be here. 295 00:15:42,510 --> 00:15:43,950 Patina Miller: Thank you so much for having me. 296 00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:47,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: Patina, you and I first met, we are chatting before 297 00:15:47,310 --> 00:15:51,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: we hit record on the podcast, at the starting line 298 00:15:51,060 --> 00:15:56,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: of the 2023 TCS New York City Marathon where you came to 299 00:15:56,820 --> 00:16:01,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: sing the national anthem and did so spectacularly, of course, 300 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:04,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: as you would. And then I think you must be 301 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: the only person ever to do this, I can't prove 302 00:16:06,510 --> 00:16:10,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: it, but to then, after singing the anthem, go down 303 00:16:10,050 --> 00:16:13,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: and run the TCS New York City Marathon and do it 304 00:16:13,410 --> 00:16:16,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: pretty well also with a time of just around four 305 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:19,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: hours. And that, I guess, kind of sums up the 306 00:16:19,410 --> 00:16:22,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: magic that is Patina Miller. It's incredible that you are 307 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: able to pull that off. So how? How did you 308 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:28,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: do it that day? How'd you sing and then run? 309 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: I guess maybe the running was harder than the singing, 310 00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:31,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: but you tell me. 311 00:16:35,550 --> 00:16:38,280 Patina Miller: Looking back, there were some things I'd do a little 312 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:45,660 Patina Miller: different. I would probably not run straight away. I just 313 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:49,230 Patina Miller: didn't know that the vibes are just so strong that after 314 00:16:49,230 --> 00:16:52,440 Patina Miller: getting off of the podium and singing the anthem and 315 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,720 Patina Miller: thanking God that I knew all the words because when 316 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,560 Patina Miller: you're so nervous, you're like, " Please don't let me flub." 317 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,390 Patina Miller: Everybody knows the anthem. Am I going to flub a 318 00:17:00,390 --> 00:17:03,240 Patina Miller: line? I'm worried about my pacing, I'm worrying about, I 319 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,790 Patina Miller: hope it's not too hot. All these things are going 320 00:17:05,790 --> 00:17:08,250 Patina Miller: on in my head and then to sing, get through 321 00:17:08,250 --> 00:17:12,030 Patina Miller: it and then be ushered to get in there, it 322 00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:15,359 Patina Miller: was a lot. But I'm so happy it set me up to 323 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,240 Patina Miller: have a great first part of my race, which I 324 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,010 Patina Miller: was really, really happy about. 325 00:17:20,550 --> 00:17:24,629 Becs Gentry: Oh my gosh. Well, I think that is a warmup 326 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:26,909 Becs Gentry: like no one else has ever- 327 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,002 Patina Miller: (inaudible) . 328 00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:30,300 Becs Gentry: As a running coach for a very long time, I 329 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:32,879 Becs Gentry: have never even thought about the benefits of doing a diaphragmatic 330 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:38,550 Becs Gentry: warmup only really to get you to get your lungs, to get your 331 00:17:38,550 --> 00:17:42,359 Becs Gentry: breathing ready. But clearly, as you said, it set you 332 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,688 Becs Gentry: up for the first half, you said there. 333 00:17:46,709 --> 00:17:47,490 Patina Miller: Yes. 334 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:48,002 Becs Gentry: (inaudible) on the other half. Fill us in. 335 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:53,670 Patina Miller: Well, I think all the vibes. I think everybody always 336 00:17:53,670 --> 00:17:55,710 Patina Miller: talks about the energy and don't get swept up in the 337 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:57,600 Patina Miller: energy, but I was like, " You know what? I just 338 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,270 Patina Miller: was on stage and I was singing the anthem and 339 00:18:00,690 --> 00:18:04,350 Patina Miller: everybody's here." I'm watching these elite runners get ready and 340 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:07,140 Patina Miller: just being so up close to all of that. And then 341 00:18:07,140 --> 00:18:12,510 Patina Miller: seeing everybody, all different colors, shapes, sizes out there, so 342 00:18:12,510 --> 00:18:21,450 Patina Miller: excited to run. I was excited too. I was so excited to come back in 2023. I had not the best race my 343 00:18:21,450 --> 00:18:24,180 Patina Miller: first race in 2022, so I was just so excited 344 00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:27,929 Patina Miller: by the vibes of people and everyone just putting it 345 00:18:27,930 --> 00:18:30,330 Patina Miller: all out there at like 7: 00 AM in the morning. 346 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,660 Patina Miller: And I got swept up in it. And then halfway 347 00:18:33,660 --> 00:18:35,520 Patina Miller: through, reality did set in. It did. 348 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,740 Becs Gentry: Yeah, that Pulaski Bridge can really wake you up. 349 00:18:44,369 --> 00:18:47,670 Patina Miller: What? Reality set in, it was like, "Oh, I have to work. Oh, I have 350 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,540 Patina Miller: strategy." Bring it back to the strategy, what are we 351 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:53,970 Patina Miller: going to do? I really had to lock in. 352 00:18:54,270 --> 00:18:56,669 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hey, I got to just point out some of your 353 00:18:56,670 --> 00:19:03,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: times because your improvement from '22 to '23 was remarkable 354 00:19:03,540 --> 00:19:06,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: in the marathon. Now, we all know 2022 was a really hard 355 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:10,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: year to run. The weather was difficult. We all know 356 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:14,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: that. You ran it in 4: 41:30. And you shaved 357 00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:18,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: 41 minutes off your time in 2023, so maybe the 358 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:21,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: second half was a struggle for you. You did have 359 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:25,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: one of those dreaded just over an hour mark times. 360 00:19:25,740 --> 00:19:29,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: We know those are frustrating. Four hours and 36 minutes. 361 00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:30,090 Patina Miller: What? So frustrating. 362 00:19:31,619 --> 00:19:35,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: Sorry, four hours and 36 seconds, I should say, 4: 00: 363 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: 36. We know those are challenging times, but did you 364 00:19:40,350 --> 00:19:44,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: feel good about that race? And I guess it felt 365 00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:46,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: good enough to keep running, so that's good. 366 00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:49,560 Patina Miller: Every time. So it's so funny. Since I started my 367 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,090 Patina Miller: running journey, the process of training is always hard and there 368 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:59,490 Patina Miller: are moments during the training process, not... I'm filming a 369 00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:03,119 Patina Miller: TV show, that's really hard. And I'm a mother coming 370 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,629 Patina Miller: home doing all these things. And the training process was 371 00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:08,699 Patina Miller: really great for me because it gave me time to 372 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:12,629 Patina Miller: myself where I wasn't a character. Still mom, but in 373 00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:16,139 Patina Miller: a different way. But to then finally get to the 374 00:20:16,140 --> 00:20:20,220 Patina Miller: race that you've prepared for and to lock in, you've 375 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,590 Patina Miller: trained, to get to the point of like you know 376 00:20:22,590 --> 00:20:25,889 Patina Miller: what? In my career, if I work really hard, I 377 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:28,740 Patina Miller: can get the things that I want. That's how I've lived 378 00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:31,530 Patina Miller: my life. If I train hard, if I work on 379 00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:34,830 Patina Miller: my voice, if I train my body up enough, I 380 00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:36,390 Patina Miller: can get on stage and I can be there eight 381 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:40,770 Patina Miller: shows a week. If I practice my lines, if I really 382 00:20:40,770 --> 00:20:44,910 Patina Miller: study with my acting coach, then at some point I 383 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,430 Patina Miller: will do better and at some point I will get role 384 00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:50,280 Patina Miller: and someone will say yes. So I brought all of 385 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,980 Patina Miller: those things to running like you know what? I'm going 386 00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:55,230 Patina Miller: to train right, I'm going to try and get my 387 00:20:55,230 --> 00:20:57,990 Patina Miller: nutrition right. I'm going to do all these things and 388 00:20:57,990 --> 00:21:00,119 Patina Miller: that's going to take me to the place that I 389 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,590 Patina Miller: need to go. Especially, since the year before, Crash and 390 00:21:04,590 --> 00:21:07,440 Patina Miller: Burn had all these things. So I got really excited 391 00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:09,300 Patina Miller: for all of the tools that I had in my 392 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:14,790 Patina Miller: tool belt. But to get so close to my little sub- 393 00:21:14,790 --> 00:21:17,609 Patina Miller: four dream, it was crushing. But then I said, " You 394 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:21,629 Patina Miller: know what? You shaved off all that time off of 395 00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:25,020 Patina Miller: your marathon and you worked so hard and you were so smart." 396 00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:27,810 Patina Miller: And to get out there and do it again and 397 00:21:27,810 --> 00:21:30,630 Patina Miller: say yes again, to be frightened and scared again, but 398 00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:34,890 Patina Miller: so excited. When I went across that finish line, I 399 00:21:34,890 --> 00:21:36,869 Patina Miller: was just so proud of myself. I was. 400 00:21:37,439 --> 00:21:40,680 Becs Gentry: Good. So you should be, and that comes from somebody 401 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,700 Becs Gentry: who is a something, something (inaudible) one person are 402 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,480 Becs Gentry: a lot of the most recent races I have run. I seem 403 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,700 Becs Gentry: to have that, well, I can't get faster than that 404 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:55,260 Becs Gentry: one second over. But anyway, let's take it back to 405 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:57,420 Becs Gentry: 2022. As we said, that was your first New York Road 406 00:21:57,420 --> 00:22:01,680 Becs Gentry: Runners race was the 2022 TCS New York City Marathon. It 407 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,540 Becs Gentry: was a brutally humid day, it was just ugh. Everybody 408 00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:09,540 Becs Gentry: struggled that day, for sure. So you weren't alone in 409 00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:13,440 Becs Gentry: feeling that disbelief at the, I don't know, 24 mile 410 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,899 Becs Gentry: marker. I remember seeing a lot of faces of like, 411 00:22:16,170 --> 00:22:18,209 Becs Gentry: you know what, no, I don't want to do the 412 00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:21,990 Becs Gentry: last two. (inaudible) did. But let's talk about what 413 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:26,460 Becs Gentry: else you were doing at that time because your life 414 00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:29,609 Becs Gentry: outside of training to run a marathon, which is gigantic, 415 00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:32,340 Becs Gentry: was you were in the middle of your run of 416 00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:38,129 Becs Gentry: Into the Woods, eight shows a week. Mom. Not just 417 00:22:38,550 --> 00:22:41,700 Becs Gentry: working a bit more, you're performing sometime on Broadway. It's 418 00:22:41,910 --> 00:22:48,000 Becs Gentry: nuts. So how? How, Patina, did you fit everything in? 419 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,050 Becs Gentry: What was your schedule? 420 00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:52,290 Patina Miller: Well, first off, I relied on my community at home, 421 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:58,350 Patina Miller: my husband, my beautiful teenage nieces who would sort of 422 00:22:59,010 --> 00:23:03,929 Patina Miller: serve as babysitters for me. I had amazing coaches, I 423 00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:07,290 Patina Miller: trained with really cool people and my friends. And I 424 00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:09,929 Patina Miller: would not back out. Once I got Into the Woods, 425 00:23:10,109 --> 00:23:11,820 Patina Miller: I had already signed up for the marathon and I 426 00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:15,450 Patina Miller: was like, "You know what, no, I'm going to keep... I'm not 427 00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:16,919 Patina Miller: going to back out. I know it's going to be 428 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,170 Patina Miller: hard. It's eight shows a week. I don't know where 429 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:21,659 Patina Miller: I'm going to find the time to train, but I'm 430 00:23:21,660 --> 00:23:25,020 Patina Miller: going to do it." And I loved the experience of 431 00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:27,990 Patina Miller: being in Into the Woods and I always say being 432 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:30,540 Patina Miller: on Broadway, it's like being an athlete. It's like a 433 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:32,820 Patina Miller: marathon because you're doing it over and over and over 434 00:23:32,820 --> 00:23:36,330 Patina Miller: again every night. So I knew that I was set 435 00:23:36,330 --> 00:23:40,950 Patina Miller: up for success if I paced myself in the journey 436 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:44,459 Patina Miller: of before I go to the theater, what am I 437 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:47,100 Patina Miller: doing in the mornings? How can I fit my runs 438 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:48,900 Patina Miller: in? Do I fit them on a two show day? 439 00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:51,510 Patina Miller: Do I run in between shows? And I did that. I did that a lot. 440 00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:56,040 Patina Miller: I remember my cast members being like, "What are you doing? This 441 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:56,700 Patina Miller: is crazy." 442 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:00,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: So you would run between a matinee and the show at night? 443 00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:00,148 Patina Miller: Yes. 444 00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:00,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 445 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,320 Patina Miller: Yeah. 446 00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:01,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: That's amazing. 447 00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:03,960 Patina Miller: You know what? It was actually really great because a lot of 448 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,810 Patina Miller: times when you're doing a show where you have to 449 00:24:06,810 --> 00:24:09,990 Patina Miller: be all over the stage and it's so high intense, 450 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:14,700 Patina Miller: it's like two hours and 30 minutes of a lot of emotion. To 451 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:17,010 Patina Miller: kind of have to do it over again, if you 452 00:24:17,010 --> 00:24:21,180 Patina Miller: stop, that's where the trouble starts. Your voice starts to 453 00:24:21,270 --> 00:24:23,640 Patina Miller: get tired, your body starts to get tired. So for 454 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,310 Patina Miller: me, picking up and running in between shows was kind 455 00:24:29,310 --> 00:24:32,129 Patina Miller: of like a nice little energy burst that would carry 456 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:36,240 Patina Miller: me to the next show. After the last show, different story. 457 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,002 Becs Gentry: (inaudible) . 458 00:24:37,002 --> 00:24:41,310 Patina Miller: Terrible idea. I remember thinking that was a terrible idea. 459 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:45,511 Becs Gentry: Oh my gosh. 460 00:24:45,511 --> 00:24:48,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's so interesting to hear this and I remember hearing 461 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: Patina's stories about Taylor Swift and you probably heard about 462 00:24:52,650 --> 00:24:53,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: this, during her tour- 463 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:54,002 Patina Miller: (inaudible) . 464 00:24:55,170 --> 00:24:58,379 Rob Simmelkjaer: And when she was preparing and training for that tour, 465 00:24:58,380 --> 00:25:01,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Eras Tour, she was on the treadmill. And she 466 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:06,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: was running on the treadmill and singing the songs while 467 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:09,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: on the treadmill to build that, I guess the lung 468 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:13,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: capacity and the endurance. So I imagine you can relate 469 00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:17,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: to that. It sounds to me like running really does 470 00:25:17,130 --> 00:25:19,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: complement what you're doing as a live performer. 471 00:25:20,580 --> 00:25:23,730 Patina Miller: Oh my god, yes. There's a lot of memorization that 472 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:28,290 Patina Miller: happens. There's a lot of thinking about your character and 473 00:25:28,290 --> 00:25:31,500 Patina Miller: really just having those moments to really lock in and 474 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,340 Patina Miller: think about your character, think about the lyrics. Sondheim is 475 00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:38,970 Patina Miller: not easy. So for me, running and the repetition of 476 00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:41,940 Patina Miller: just the beat of running, you know what I mean? 477 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,080 Patina Miller: And having to do the Witch's Rat, which is very 478 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,800 Patina Miller: fast and it's like beans, beans, nothing but beans. All 479 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,159 Patina Miller: of these different syncopations of that I kind of used 480 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,800 Patina Miller: with the running as well. So when I'm out there, I 481 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,500 Patina Miller: wasn't just training for the mileage, but I was also, 482 00:25:58,710 --> 00:26:02,879 Patina Miller: my memorization and figuring out my blocking and it became 483 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,340 Patina Miller: very visual for me to just zone out and think 484 00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:10,050 Patina Miller: about the work. And even for my character that I 485 00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:13,920 Patina Miller: played on TV, because midway through that run and training 486 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,250 Patina Miller: I started my third thing, which was filming for Raising 487 00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:20,970 Patina Miller: Kanan during that time. So I had to use running 488 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:22,980 Patina Miller: as a way to do it all. 489 00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:23,939 Becs Gentry: Wow. 490 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:25,320 Patina Miller: If that makes any sense. 491 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: It does. It does. It's fascinating. I just have to ask this one 492 00:26:28,650 --> 00:26:32,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: question though. Do you run with music when all this 493 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: is going on in your life? Or it sounds like 494 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: maybe you run to silence, but the music of your 495 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:41,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: shows is going through your head. What's happening there? 496 00:26:41,609 --> 00:26:43,800 Patina Miller: So during Into the Woods, I definitely would run in 497 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,609 Patina Miller: silence, for sure. I always started the run because I 498 00:26:47,609 --> 00:26:51,270 Patina Miller: just needed the motivation. I did not want to be singing Into 499 00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:53,850 Patina Miller: the woods when I started the run, just to get 500 00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:56,490 Patina Miller: into it. But halfway through, I would turn the music 501 00:26:56,490 --> 00:26:59,100 Patina Miller: off or turn it down and I just start reciting 502 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:02,730 Patina Miller: my lines or reciting lyrics from the show because we 503 00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:06,450 Patina Miller: didn't have a lot of time. The transfer from City 504 00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:09,750 Patina Miller: Center, if you were a newbie to Broadway, was like two 505 00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:11,940 Patina Miller: and a half weeks. So we had to learn, a 506 00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:13,740 Patina Miller: lot of the new people had to learn the entire 507 00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:15,930 Patina Miller: show. Thankfully, I had known the show from when I 508 00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:18,720 Patina Miller: did it in 2019. But there were a lot of 509 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,530 Patina Miller: things I had to memorize and get ready for our 510 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:27,540 Patina Miller: production on Broadway. So I had limited time to really 511 00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:30,810 Patina Miller: lock in and focus, and running definitely helped. 512 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,490 Becs Gentry: Oh my gosh. So alongside all of these elements of 513 00:27:35,490 --> 00:27:39,900 Becs Gentry: your life, just throwing challenges at you, you're physical in 514 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:43,560 Becs Gentry: so many different ways. Both of your marathons you've run 515 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,980 Becs Gentry: though for a cause, which I'm guessing gives you that 516 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:50,550 Becs Gentry: extra impetus to keep going when the days are tough. 517 00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:54,990 Becs Gentry: And you decided to support the charity Komera. And it 518 00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:58,770 Becs Gentry: works with young women in Rwanda and it's a beautiful, 519 00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:03,600 Becs Gentry: beautiful cause. So just tell our listeners, why is this 520 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,609 Becs Gentry: charity specifically important to you to make your races feel 521 00:28:08,910 --> 00:28:10,260 Becs Gentry: like it's a bigger purpose? 522 00:28:10,890 --> 00:28:14,639 Patina Miller: So when I was searching for what I... I told my trainer at the time, I 523 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,050 Patina Miller: was like, " Well, you know what? If I'm signing up," 524 00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:18,330 Patina Miller: because she's like, " What's your birthday? It'd be so great 525 00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:20,490 Patina Miller: to run a marathon." And I was like, " Would it?" 526 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,659 Patina Miller: I was like, " But I need to run for a 527 00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:24,149 Patina Miller: cause, I need to run for something and I want to 528 00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:28,560 Patina Miller: be very specific about what I want to run for." 529 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,160 Patina Miller: And women and children, that's always something that's really important 530 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,940 Patina Miller: to me. I've been so blessed and fortunate in my 531 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:39,900 Patina Miller: journey to have really great mentors in my life that 532 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,500 Patina Miller: changed the trajectory of my life. So when I was 533 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,980 Patina Miller: deciding on what charities to support, I wanted to really 534 00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:50,610 Patina Miller: find one that really spoke to me. And this one 535 00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:53,580 Patina Miller: spoke to me. It was about advocating for young women 536 00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:56,790 Patina Miller: in Rwanda and using the gift and the beauty of 537 00:28:56,790 --> 00:29:00,450 Patina Miller: running to arm these girls with the necessary tools to 538 00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:05,880 Patina Miller: be their best selves. And a lot of the money 539 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,720 Patina Miller: we raised, I loved it, it was sending women to college 540 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,380 Patina Miller: for a year. And this was like $1, 000 could send 541 00:29:13,650 --> 00:29:17,640 Patina Miller: a girl there for four years of college. So I 542 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,740 Patina Miller: really felt like I was making a difference in my 543 00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:24,270 Patina Miller: own small way of raising money and just thinking what 544 00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,510 Patina Miller: it meant to those women. And all of the people 545 00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:29,280 Patina Miller: who serve on that charity and the work that they've 546 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,870 Patina Miller: done, they love it so much. Being able to have 547 00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:36,660 Patina Miller: the resources to talk about the different issues and then 548 00:29:36,660 --> 00:29:40,530 Patina Miller: being able to speak to the girls and figure out what 549 00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:43,440 Patina Miller: they're doing, who graduated, it was a lot of joy 550 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,920 Patina Miller: and it really kept me going because it did get 551 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,110 Patina Miller: dark. It always gets dark when you're training and so 552 00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:54,600 Patina Miller: to run 26.2 miles, it had to be for something 553 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,810 Patina Miller: important. And I always try to use my platform for 554 00:29:57,810 --> 00:30:02,760 Patina Miller: things that I believe in, things that... Just try and 555 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,860 Patina Miller: find ways to make a difference in my own little 556 00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:07,950 Patina Miller: way. And through my platform, I was able to do 557 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:10,380 Patina Miller: that with running. So yeah, running for a cause is 558 00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:11,400 Patina Miller: always great. 559 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,002 Becs Gentry: (inaudible) . 560 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:18,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: Patina, your origin story is interesting. You grew up in 561 00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:23,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: South Carolina, small town. And like a lot of young 562 00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:28,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: performers, you realized, it sounds like your mother also realized 563 00:30:28,770 --> 00:30:30,959 Rob Simmelkjaer: at a young age that you had some talent and 564 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: you left home to go, at 15 years old you 565 00:30:35,010 --> 00:30:37,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: left home to go attend a performing arts high school. 566 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: Where was that? 567 00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:42,390 Patina Miller: That was in Greenville, South Carolina. It was the South 568 00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:44,910 Patina Miller: Carolina Governor's School for the Arts and Humanities. 569 00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:48,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. And that is really, it's a young age to 570 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: leave home. It sounds like you kind of knew from 571 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:55,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: a young age this is what you were meant to 572 00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:58,531 Rob Simmelkjaer: do, right? Is that fair? And how has that- 573 00:30:58,531 --> 00:30:59,400 Patina Miller: Yeah, it's very fair. 574 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: How has that evolved for you now being in New 575 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: York? It's happened. You're one of those people, you meet 576 00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:07,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: people in life who are still figuring out what they 577 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,511 Rob Simmelkjaer: want to be at like... Lots of us, right? 578 00:31:09,511 --> 00:31:09,781 Patina Miller: Yeah. 579 00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:12,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: 20- something, 30- something, 40- something, right? Still trying to 580 00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:13,171 Rob Simmelkjaer: figure it out. 581 00:31:13,171 --> 00:31:13,411 Patina Miller: For sure. 582 00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:16,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: And I'm always interested what it's like to be one 583 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:20,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: of those people who knows at such a young age 584 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: what you want to be and then you just have 585 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: to work and execute, as you have done. 586 00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:30,090 Patina Miller: Yeah, it was a dream. Early in my life, I 587 00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:33,780 Patina Miller: knew I always wanted to perform and I didn't know how that 588 00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:37,590 Patina Miller: was going to happen. So whenever we found this school, 589 00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:41,700 Patina Miller: it felt just like, oh my God, I have to 590 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:45,570 Patina Miller: go. The dream in some ways became a little bit 591 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:47,550 Patina Miller: of reality. There was a place that I could go 592 00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:50,400 Patina Miller: and train and I could be with professionals and they 593 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,070 Patina Miller: would teach me all the necessary things to go to 594 00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:56,640 Patina Miller: this next level. So when I got in, I know 595 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,620 Patina Miller: what I was doing. The first time I auditioned to 596 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:04,170 Patina Miller: get into the school, I remember going to the library 597 00:32:04,170 --> 00:32:06,180 Patina Miller: and looking at plays and that was the first time 598 00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:10,800 Patina Miller: I had ever had read a monologue. And I just 599 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,760 Patina Miller: remember just doing it and my mom encouraged me to do 600 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,970 Patina Miller: it and to memorize it and to sign up and 601 00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:20,280 Patina Miller: I was like, " You know what? Yeah, okay, I'm going 602 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,380 Patina Miller: to do this. I really want to be an actress. 603 00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:24,810 Patina Miller: Who knows if I'm good enough to get into this 604 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:27,600 Patina Miller: school, but I'm just going to do it." And I 605 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,940 Patina Miller: did it and I got in and it changed my 606 00:32:29,940 --> 00:32:35,580 Patina Miller: life. I got to experience a world that I did 607 00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:39,990 Patina Miller: not know I could have. To go to the school 608 00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:45,510 Patina Miller: for free, being in South Carolina where the arts unfortunately 609 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,000 Patina Miller: are not as appreciated as it should. And that's a 610 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,060 Patina Miller: lot of places, arts programming is always the first to 611 00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:57,330 Patina Miller: be taken out. The arts is what saved me in 612 00:32:57,330 --> 00:33:02,310 Patina Miller: a way. And this dream became a bigger reality after 613 00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:06,750 Patina Miller: being there and learning about different schools and schools that 614 00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:09,780 Patina Miller: I could go to continue my training to finally maybe 615 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:12,750 Patina Miller: make it on Broadway or maybe do a show. And 616 00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:15,810 Patina Miller: to get, I got a full scholarship to Carnegie Mellon. 617 00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:20,790 Patina Miller: I was one of 12 in my musical theater class. 618 00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:22,800 Patina Miller: And I said when I got there I was going 619 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,630 Patina Miller: to work my butt off. I was going to do 620 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:27,360 Patina Miller: everything I needed to do to learn the things that 621 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,550 Patina Miller: I needed and I was going to do it. Nobody 622 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:31,440 Patina Miller: could stop me at that point. It's like I'm going 623 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,710 Patina Miller: to make this happen one way or the other. And 624 00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:38,040 Patina Miller: I just am so thankful, so thankful through hard work, 625 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,570 Patina Miller: dedication, a lot of nos, but also some really great 626 00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:47,730 Patina Miller: opportunities and some yes, some yeses in my life that 627 00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:49,470 Patina Miller: it transformed and changed my life. 628 00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:53,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becks, listening to Patina, there's so many parallels you can 629 00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:57,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: draw with running and the trajectory that one has to 630 00:33:57,090 --> 00:34:01,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: take to be successful. All those setbacks, all the challenges, 631 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: all the nos, as you put it. And Becks, we 632 00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:06,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: can all relate to that in a way through running, 633 00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:09,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: right? And the days maybe our body says no instead 634 00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:10,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: of some casting director. 635 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,719 Becs Gentry: (inaudible) all of it, there are. There are so 636 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,489 Becs Gentry: many nos. But Patina, you touched on it earlier when 637 00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:24,870 Becs Gentry: we talked about the plethora of things that I feel 638 00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:27,390 Becs Gentry: like is constantly going on in your life. You're a 639 00:34:27,390 --> 00:34:31,529 Becs Gentry: yes person, you are someone with what appears to be 640 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:34,830 Becs Gentry: a really, really strong work ethic, somebody who wants to 641 00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:39,570 Becs Gentry: succeed and share your success and your journey with others. 642 00:34:39,989 --> 00:34:44,219 Becs Gentry: But you are a big family person as well and 643 00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:49,109 Becs Gentry: having your lovely nieces around to babysit your daughter when 644 00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:52,860 Becs Gentry: she was younger. But you didn't do your marathon solo, 645 00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:54,300 Becs Gentry: right? I understand that your- 646 00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:55,951 Patina Miller: Did not. 647 00:34:55,951 --> 00:34:57,720 Becs Gentry: ... husband, David, he ran it with you as well? 648 00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:58,320 Patina Miller: He did. He did. 649 00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:04,860 Becs Gentry: How did that go? Because sometimes the husband, wife, partners running 650 00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:06,090 Becs Gentry: can get a little bit... 651 00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:15,660 Patina Miller: Well, yeah, you know. It was back and forth. We had some 652 00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:19,260 Patina Miller: really... The long runs were really great. Sometimes the long 653 00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:21,629 Patina Miller: runs are really great, sometimes the long runs were like, " 654 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:23,819 Patina Miller: Okay, you go run there, I'm going to go run 655 00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:28,200 Patina Miller: here." But what I love about my husband is he 656 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,830 Patina Miller: loves to push me. And when I get so caught 657 00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:34,320 Patina Miller: up and I don't feel like I can do it, 658 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,910 Patina Miller: he's the one in my ear like, " You got it, 659 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:38,400 Patina Miller: just keep going, just keep going." Meanwhile, he's over there 660 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,190 Patina Miller: suffering too, but he'd never let me know. So the 661 00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:46,080 Patina Miller: first year, the hot year that we both had, he 662 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,890 Patina Miller: just jumped into training at 16 weeks. He was just like, " 663 00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:53,520 Patina Miller: Oh, I'll run, I'll run with you." And yeah, who does that? 664 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,300 Patina Miller: I was so jealous first. And then he runs with 665 00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,430 Patina Miller: me and I start getting cramps and I'm like, " I 666 00:36:02,430 --> 00:36:06,750 Patina Miller: don't know if I can do it." We would stop every at every 667 00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:10,110 Patina Miller: water and he would massage my cramp, he would massage 668 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:13,380 Patina Miller: my leg and we continued, we continued. And then we'd 669 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:16,320 Patina Miller: go another 10 minutes and I'm like, " I can't, I can't do 670 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,480 Patina Miller: it." He'd get down there, we'd move off to the 671 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,239 Patina Miller: side, he'd be massaging my legs. So this poor man 672 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:28,830 Patina Miller: for 13 miles, we stop, start, he massaged me. So 673 00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:31,920 Patina Miller: yeah, we may, could get a little testy, but he 674 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,920 Patina Miller: is definitely my ride or die in terms when it 675 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,350 Patina Miller: comes to running. We try to run our races together, 676 00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:42,570 Patina Miller: we try to push each other, like all things. It's 677 00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:47,370 Patina Miller: never perfect. There could be a little, " You go over 678 00:36:47,370 --> 00:36:50,160 Patina Miller: there, you don't run with me today and I don't 679 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,750 Patina Miller: want it," but at the end of the day we 680 00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:52,711 Patina Miller: have such a good time running. 681 00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:54,002 Becs Gentry: That is (inaudible) . 682 00:36:54,002 --> 00:36:55,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hey, a partner who will give you a massage when 683 00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:57,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: you need one in the middle of a race, like, hey- 684 00:36:58,140 --> 00:36:58,590 Patina Miller: Middle of the race. 685 00:36:58,590 --> 00:36:58,591 Rob Simmelkjaer: You can't beat that. 686 00:36:58,591 --> 00:36:58,651 Patina Miller: Come on now. 687 00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:03,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: That is legit partnership right there. 688 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,360 Becs Gentry: It's so, so cute for your daughter to see as well. 689 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,660 Becs Gentry: Oh, maybe you not see it, but hear about mom 690 00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:09,781 Becs Gentry: and dad. 691 00:37:09,781 --> 00:37:09,782 Patina Miller: Yes. Yes. 692 00:37:09,782 --> 00:37:12,390 Becs Gentry: Mom and dad are like the ultimate team goal right there. 693 00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:16,260 Patina Miller: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Now she runs. She ran her first 694 00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:17,549 Patina Miller: two miles on Sunday. 695 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, nice. 696 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,610 Patina Miller: It was great, she's like (inaudible) and she was like, " I 697 00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:24,600 Patina Miller: want to do it." So she ran two miles. It was hilarious. 698 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,500 Patina Miller: She was so proud. 699 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,259 Becs Gentry: (inaudible) congratulations mama. That is so good. 700 00:37:28,259 --> 00:37:30,121 Patina Miller: It was fun. It was really, really fun. 701 00:37:30,121 --> 00:37:32,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: We got to see her in one of our Road 702 00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:34,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: Runners Youth Races hopefully very soon. 703 00:37:34,739 --> 00:37:37,950 Patina Miller: Oh, you will. On her birthday, she'll be running for 704 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:39,151 Patina Miller: the Percy Sutton. Yeah, she's going to be running. 705 00:37:39,151 --> 00:37:39,152 Rob Simmelkjaer: Amazing. That's fantastic. 706 00:37:39,152 --> 00:37:39,153 Becs Gentry: The Harlem 5K. Yoo-hoo. 707 00:37:39,153 --> 00:37:39,154 Patina Miller: Yeah. 708 00:37:39,154 --> 00:37:39,155 Rob Simmelkjaer: Well, that is awesome. 709 00:37:39,155 --> 00:37:39,156 Becs Gentry: Oh, fantastic. 710 00:37:39,156 --> 00:37:39,157 Rob Simmelkjaer: And you- 711 00:37:39,157 --> 00:37:39,427 Becs Gentry: And you've been coaching. 712 00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:49,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, exactly. 713 00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:53,040 Patina Miller: Well, trying. She likes to do her own thing. She's 714 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,520 Patina Miller: a Leo, so she thinks she has it all worked 715 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,600 Patina Miller: out. She's like, " I got this. I got this." So 716 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,900 Patina Miller: she's excited to run for us like you know what, 717 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,930 Patina Miller: it's not a heavy lift. You're not going to run 718 00:38:06,930 --> 00:38:10,140 Patina Miller: the 5K. They said for the kids, I think for 719 00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:13,290 Patina Miller: your birthday it would be really fun, doing to her what my 720 00:38:13,290 --> 00:38:15,390 Patina Miller: trainer did to me about signing up for a race 721 00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:17,489 Patina Miller: on my birthday. I was like, " It'd be so fun." 722 00:38:17,489 --> 00:38:19,739 Patina Miller: She's like, " Yeah, it'd be so fun. I think I'd 723 00:38:19,739 --> 00:38:20,370 Patina Miller: like to do it." 724 00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:24,181 Rob Simmelkjaer: It'll be great. It'll be great. We love it. 725 00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:24,181 Patina Miller: Yeah, it'd be fun. 726 00:38:24,181 --> 00:38:28,259 Rob Simmelkjaer: And it's not just your daughter that you are inspiring to run. 727 00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:30,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: You are, as I mentioned at the top, serving as 728 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:33,719 Rob Simmelkjaer: a mentor for our Run for the Future program, which, 729 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: for those who don't know, is a program for high 730 00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:40,799 Rob Simmelkjaer: school aged girls who really haven't been runners before and 731 00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:44,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: they get trained and mentored into running their very first 732 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: 5K. And what a mentor for them to have, Patina, 733 00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:53,489 Rob Simmelkjaer: to have someone like you, a Broadway star show up. 734 00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,819 Rob Simmelkjaer: What was that like? You just were with that group 735 00:38:57,060 --> 00:38:59,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: a few days ago as we taped this podcast. What 736 00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:02,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: was that like for you? And I'm curious, what did 737 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: you see in their faces as this Broadway star shows 738 00:39:05,969 --> 00:39:09,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: up to tell them about running and help lead them 739 00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:11,009 Rob Simmelkjaer: on one of their first training runs? 740 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,489 Patina Miller: Well, I was just so excited to be there. I was so excited to have 741 00:39:14,489 --> 00:39:18,270 Patina Miller: the opportunity to serve in that capacity. And I thought, " 742 00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:20,850 Patina Miller: If I could just share some words of wisdom, some 743 00:39:20,850 --> 00:39:24,120 Patina Miller: words of encouragement." I know what it's like to start something 744 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,500 Patina Miller: that's scary. Something that's so scary you don't think that 745 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,230 Patina Miller: you'd ever be able to do it. So I just 746 00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:33,600 Patina Miller: love the fact that they all decided on their own 747 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,460 Patina Miller: that they wanted to take on a journey of running 748 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:38,790 Patina Miller: a 5K. And that's not an easy thing to do. 749 00:39:38,850 --> 00:39:41,730 Patina Miller: You know what I mean? Yeah, we can say running 750 00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:45,419 Patina Miller: is easy, but to some it's not. And for me, 751 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:48,570 Patina Miller: that wasn't my case. It was scary for me when 752 00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:51,090 Patina Miller: I first started, so I just wanted to get there 753 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:53,670 Patina Miller: to just lock eyes with some of them, take it 754 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:56,730 Patina Miller: all in, look at it like, " Oh, I was there." 755 00:39:57,870 --> 00:40:00,779 Patina Miller: I wish I would've had something like this younger to 756 00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:06,180 Patina Miller: get started with running even younger. But I was happy 757 00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:08,580 Patina Miller: to be there that day and they were so excited. 758 00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:12,569 Patina Miller: Some of them were terrified, some of them were like, 759 00:40:13,290 --> 00:40:16,800 Patina Miller: their faces were like, " What did I get into? Why 760 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,680 Patina Miller: did I sign up for this?" So to see that 761 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,580 Patina Miller: inside, to see the talk. I just talked to them 762 00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:27,629 Patina Miller: about signing your why and why are you running? Why 763 00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:29,910 Patina Miller: you want to do it. Congratulating them on starting and 764 00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:33,390 Patina Miller: just sharing with them my own personal journey of starting 765 00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:36,750 Patina Miller: to run and the freedom I feel when I run and 766 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,570 Patina Miller: the happiness I feel and the moment, the mental health 767 00:40:39,570 --> 00:40:42,839 Patina Miller: capacity of it. I wanted to share that with them 768 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,030 Patina Miller: of how running makes me feel and how you can 769 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:49,290 Patina Miller: use it when you have frustrating times. And being a 770 00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:52,650 Patina Miller: young girl in high school can sometimes not be the 771 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:56,070 Patina Miller: easiest thing. A lot of them are starting their college 772 00:40:56,070 --> 00:41:00,060 Patina Miller: journeys and they'll be thinking about all that. So to 773 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:04,230 Patina Miller: have this tool, to have this program with so many 774 00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:09,270 Patina Miller: wonderful volunteers. There were so many cool people there, just 775 00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:12,839 Patina Miller: there to just be there and serve as sort of 776 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,710 Patina Miller: a sounding board for them to help them through for 777 00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:18,840 Patina Miller: that day. And to get them out there and we 778 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,280 Patina Miller: started our run. My girl, who was so fierce, she's 779 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,540 Patina Miller: like... I was like, " Where do you want to go? In 780 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:27,029 Patina Miller: the front or the back?" And I'm thinking she's going to say like, " 781 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,009 Patina Miller: No, let's (inaudible) in the back." She's like, " Let's 782 00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:30,989 Patina Miller: go to the front. Let's go to the front." So 783 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:34,530 Patina Miller: I'm like, " Okay, girl, it's a 5K. I just ran 784 00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:37,231 Patina Miller: speed, let's..." I was like, " What are you trying to do?" And she's like, "I think I want to do it in 25 minutes." 785 00:41:37,231 --> 00:41:37,232 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 786 00:41:37,232 --> 00:41:47,040 Patina Miller: I was like, " Okay, track star." Now, she does run track. 787 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:48,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: Okay. Okay. 788 00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:51,419 Patina Miller: She does run track and she's never done long distance 789 00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:54,570 Patina Miller: and she's like, " I think I'm going to do 25 minutes." I was like, " 790 00:41:55,410 --> 00:42:00,660 Patina Miller: Okay. Sure, it's a practice. Okay." I was like, "You sure? You want to start slow?" I 791 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:04,170 Patina Miller: kept saying, " Well, just remember we want to start slow 792 00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:09,719 Patina Miller: to get faster." Trying to think about you, Becs, think about all the 793 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,770 Patina Miller: running coaches like, " Let's start a little slower than we 794 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:16,830 Patina Miller: do it when we get out there." And she's breathing, she 795 00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:19,350 Patina Miller: has this, like I'm looking at her running and she's 796 00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:25,440 Patina Miller: so chill, not afraid. She's just so confident in herself. She 797 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,719 Patina Miller: was running with her friend who had a coach as 798 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,870 Patina Miller: well and she just seemed so sure of herself. She 799 00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:33,779 Patina Miller: knew she had a time. She listened to me, what 800 00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:35,850 Patina Miller: I said like, " Let's start a little slower." And I 801 00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:39,540 Patina Miller: watched her breathing and this girl, it's hot as crap outside. 802 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,180 Patina Miller: She's using this technique where she didn't open, she didn't 803 00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:45,270 Patina Miller: breathe through her mouth. She was just breathing through her 804 00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:49,800 Patina Miller: nose and I was like, " What?" I was like, " Excuse 805 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,700 Patina Miller: me, so how do you do that?" I'm supposed to 806 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:57,480 Patina Miller: be mentoring her, but she was giving me tips. And 807 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,090 Patina Miller: we had the best time. She finished the run in 808 00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:01,170 Patina Miller: like 25 minutes. 809 00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:01,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 810 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,890 Patina Miller: Right. She said she wanted to and she's just so 811 00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:06,960 Patina Miller: excited to run. So I saw that a lot in 812 00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:10,529 Patina Miller: a lot of the girls finishing, it being tough from 813 00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:13,739 Patina Miller: the start, but watching them come back, because we did 814 00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:15,960 Patina Miller: kind of little run around. And watching them come back and 815 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,590 Patina Miller: the confidence that they had in their face, the relief 816 00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:22,379 Patina Miller: of doing something that was hard, that's why I did it. 817 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,560 Patina Miller: That right there. And that's the reason that I will 818 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,910 Patina Miller: show up in any capacity I can for the program 819 00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:32,279 Patina Miller: and I can't wait to run on August 9th. 820 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. We really appreciate you being a part of it. What 821 00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:40,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: an amazing experience for these girls to run with you 822 00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:43,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: and get to learn from you. It's really a gift, 823 00:43:43,950 --> 00:43:47,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: so thank you for mentoring as part of that program. 824 00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:50,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: Okay, before we let you go, I need to know, 825 00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:53,609 Rob Simmelkjaer: because runners like to ask each other, " What's next?" So 826 00:43:53,610 --> 00:43:55,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: I need to know what's next for you both as 827 00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:59,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: a runner, Patina, and also as an actor, what's coming 828 00:43:59,010 --> 00:43:59,609 Rob Simmelkjaer: up next? 829 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,690 Patina Miller: So what's coming up next right now is, so our 830 00:44:06,690 --> 00:44:11,190 Patina Miller: final season finally, not our final season, the final season 831 00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:15,600 Patina Miller: of Raising Kanan will be airing soon. I just finished 832 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,730 Patina Miller: up my run in the show this past April, which is amazing. 833 00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:23,790 Patina Miller: So I'm doing a lot of different things. I'm working 834 00:44:23,790 --> 00:44:29,190 Patina Miller: on music right now that I am maybe releasing soon. 835 00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:32,520 Patina Miller: I'm having some that artist thing of like is it 836 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,859 Patina Miller: good enough? And I'm working on an animated show called 837 00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:41,310 Patina Miller: Hazbin Hotel, so that. So I'm just kind of in 838 00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:43,469 Patina Miller: the phase of working on a lot of different things. 839 00:44:43,469 --> 00:44:45,150 Patina Miller: Coming off of a show, I've been on TV for 840 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:47,790 Patina Miller: 11 years, I've had this moment to kind of think 841 00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:51,030 Patina Miller: about what I want to do next and just really 842 00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:54,060 Patina Miller: think about it. Doing the TV work, I'd love to 843 00:44:54,060 --> 00:44:58,379 Patina Miller: come back to Broadway in some way, shape, or form, whether 844 00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:02,160 Patina Miller: that's producing or starring in something else. But the next 845 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,960 Patina Miller: thing for me running- wise is I am going to 846 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,710 Patina Miller: be running the New York City Marathon one more time 847 00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:10,770 Patina Miller: to try and get my sub- four. 848 00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:14,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yes. Patina, there are easier places to get your sub- 849 00:45:14,969 --> 00:45:17,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: four than New York City. Now, we want you to 850 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,211 Rob Simmelkjaer: do it in New York. 851 00:45:18,211 --> 00:45:18,571 Patina Miller: I know. 852 00:45:18,810 --> 00:45:22,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: Trust me, we want it in New York. But you 853 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: could go to Chicago. I hear you're going for the 854 00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:28,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: six stars, so there's Chicago, there's Berlin. It still counts, 855 00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:30,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: but it's not the same, of course, as doing it in 856 00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:30,211 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York. 857 00:45:30,211 --> 00:45:30,212 Patina Miller: It's not. 858 00:45:30,212 --> 00:45:34,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: So I applaud you and appreciate you for going for 859 00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:37,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: it in New York City because if you can do 860 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: it, there's a saying, I think I heard once or 861 00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:40,259 Rob Simmelkjaer: twice, if you can- 862 00:45:40,259 --> 00:45:40,709 Patina Miller: Do it here. 863 00:45:40,830 --> 00:45:42,149 Rob Simmelkjaer: If you can do it there. 864 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:46,680 Becs Gentry: Perfect. 865 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:46,681 Patina Miller: Totally. Totally. 866 00:45:46,681 --> 00:45:46,682 Becs Gentry: Perfect. 867 00:45:46,682 --> 00:45:46,683 Patina Miller: Absolutely. 868 00:45:46,683 --> 00:45:46,684 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh my gosh. 869 00:45:46,684 --> 00:45:46,685 Becs Gentry: Oh my gosh. 870 00:45:46,685 --> 00:45:46,686 Rob Simmelkjaer: So great having- 871 00:45:46,686 --> 00:45:54,900 Becs Gentry: Well, good, good, good luck for all of them. I can't wait 872 00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,421 Becs Gentry: to see your daughter shine on her birthday race. 873 00:45:57,421 --> 00:45:57,989 Patina Miller: Thank you. 874 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,500 Becs Gentry: (inaudible) we'll be cheering you on so loud. 875 00:46:01,530 --> 00:46:03,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, we'll see you in Harlem. I'll be there. Can't 876 00:46:03,630 --> 00:46:04,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: wait to see you there. 877 00:46:04,530 --> 00:46:04,801 Patina Miller: Yes, you will. Thank you guys so much. 878 00:46:04,801 --> 00:46:10,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: And keep after it. All right. Patina Miller, the one and only. Thank you very 879 00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:11,939 Rob Simmelkjaer: much, joining us here on Set the Pace. 880 00:46:11,939 --> 00:46:12,029 Patina Miller: Take care. 881 00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:16,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners is a non- profit organization with 882 00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:19,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: a vision to build healthier lives and stronger communities through 883 00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:23,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: the transformative power of running. The support of members and 884 00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:26,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: donors like you helps us achieve our mission to transform 885 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: the health and well- being of our communities through inclusive 886 00:46:29,969 --> 00:46:34,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: and accessible running experiences, empowering all to achieve their potential. 887 00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:40,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: Learn more and contribute at nyrr. org/ donate. Leanna Scaglione 888 00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:44,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: began her athletic journey training to be a professional ballerina, 889 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: but a series of major health challenges led to a 890 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:53,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: diagnosis of neurofibromatosis during her teenage years. After multiple surgeries 891 00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:57,509 Rob Simmelkjaer: and learning to walk again, Leanna found a new athletic outlet in 892 00:46:57,510 --> 00:47:03,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: running, joining the CTF NF Endurance Team during the pandemic. 49 893 00:47:03,330 --> 00:47:07,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners races later, Leanna is the 2025 894 00:47:07,620 --> 00:47:12,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: National Ambassador for the Children's Tumor Foundation and is aiming 895 00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:17,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: for her fourth Abbott World Marathon Major Star at the 2025 896 00:47:17,070 --> 00:47:18,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: Berlin Marathon. 897 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,230 Meb Keflezighi: Thanks, Rob. Great to have Leanna to the show, Set 898 00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:23,550 Meb Keflezighi: the Pace. How are you doing today? 899 00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:26,129 Leanna Scaglione: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. 900 00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:30,239 Meb Keflezighi: Our pleasure. You start wanting to be a ballerina, but 901 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,440 Meb Keflezighi: everything changed after the NF diagnosis. What do you remember 902 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,700 Meb Keflezighi: most about that time? 903 00:47:35,969 --> 00:47:39,870 Leanna Scaglione: That was probably one of the most difficult times in 904 00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:43,379 Leanna Scaglione: my life. I was one of those kids that had 905 00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:45,750 Leanna Scaglione: everything planned out when they were nine years old. I 906 00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:50,820 Leanna Scaglione: had everything planned for training, what ballet school I wanted 907 00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:54,810 Leanna Scaglione: to go to, college, what company I eventually wanted to 908 00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:59,820 Leanna Scaglione: audition for. So at 16, when I thought I was 909 00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:04,230 Leanna Scaglione: just injured, which any athlete can relate to as seeing 910 00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:08,460 Leanna Scaglione: as devastating, and finding out that it was more than 911 00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:12,270 Leanna Scaglione: an injury and it was actually a tumor, and then 912 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:16,170 Leanna Scaglione: landing in a wheelchair and going from all this dancing 913 00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:22,140 Leanna Scaglione: to then nothing, I was lost. I didn't know where 914 00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:23,430 Leanna Scaglione: my life would go after that. 915 00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:27,120 Meb Keflezighi: Amazing. How was your mental status after the surgery? You 916 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,600 Meb Keflezighi: had to relearn how to walk. And what was the 917 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,840 Meb Keflezighi: hardest part of the starting over? And what helped you 918 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,410 Meb Keflezighi: keep going? 919 00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:38,850 Leanna Scaglione: I was angry. I won't lie, I was very angry 920 00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:42,210 Leanna Scaglione: at that time. I truly felt like I went through 921 00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:45,570 Leanna Scaglione: the five stages of grief. I felt like I really 922 00:48:45,570 --> 00:48:49,230 Leanna Scaglione: lost something when I found out I couldn't pursue ballet 923 00:48:49,230 --> 00:48:55,980 Leanna Scaglione: professionally. So I really was angry, I was stubborn, and 924 00:48:56,010 --> 00:49:00,870 Leanna Scaglione: that really motivated me to get moving again because I 925 00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:05,610 Leanna Scaglione: didn't want to admit that things were changing for me. 926 00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:08,969 Leanna Scaglione: So I was doing everything in my power to hold 927 00:49:08,969 --> 00:49:14,370 Leanna Scaglione: onto that dream of being a ballerina. And fast- forward 928 00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:17,969 Leanna Scaglione: years later, I accept the fact that it's not going 929 00:49:17,969 --> 00:49:21,510 Leanna Scaglione: to happen and put my focus elsewhere. 930 00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:27,000 Meb Keflezighi: Well, good for you not giving up and be able to just persevere. You joined the 931 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,050 Meb Keflezighi: NF Endurance Team after seeing another runner in the End 932 00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:35,759 Meb Keflezighi: NF shirt at the NYC Half Marathon. What was it like to 933 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,130 Meb Keflezighi: realize you weren't alone on the course? 934 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,790 Leanna Scaglione: That experience, I take that as a sign from the 935 00:49:41,790 --> 00:49:47,730 Leanna Scaglione: universe because from when I was diagnosed back in 2007, 936 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:53,340 Leanna Scaglione: when I was 16, up until 2022, which was my 937 00:49:53,340 --> 00:49:59,700 Leanna Scaglione: first half- marathon ever in my life, I also found 938 00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:05,219 Leanna Scaglione: out some pretty unfortunate news in regards to my NF. 939 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,580 Leanna Scaglione: For all that time, I was what was considered a 940 00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:12,540 Leanna Scaglione: watch and wait patient, which means we're going to monitor 941 00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:15,330 Leanna Scaglione: whatever existing tumors you have, but we're not going to 942 00:50:15,330 --> 00:50:19,109 Leanna Scaglione: really do anything about them. And yes, I went on 943 00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:23,370 Leanna Scaglione: various drug trials to hopefully shrink them, but there was 944 00:50:23,370 --> 00:50:29,160 Leanna Scaglione: no urgency behind needing these trials to succeed or having 945 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,080 Leanna Scaglione: to get surgery done. And in 2022, I found out 946 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,230 Leanna Scaglione: that I needed to go on another drug trial and 947 00:50:37,230 --> 00:50:41,489 Leanna Scaglione: I really needed it to work. So dealing with my NF, 948 00:50:41,969 --> 00:50:44,489 Leanna Scaglione: it started to change for me and I really had 949 00:50:44,489 --> 00:50:48,120 Leanna Scaglione: to acknowledge it a lot more and take on the 950 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,759 Leanna Scaglione: responsibility of what was going to happen next in my 951 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,410 Leanna Scaglione: life. And I wasn't connected to the NF community. I was 952 00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:58,110 Leanna Scaglione: very much dealing with my NF all on my own. 953 00:50:58,830 --> 00:51:02,520 Leanna Scaglione: And seeing this runner up ahead of me with this 954 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,450 Leanna Scaglione: shirt on that said, " End NF," on the back, it 955 00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:09,060 Leanna Scaglione: was a sign from the universe, like I said, saying, " 956 00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:13,050 Leanna Scaglione: The community's calling out to you. Follow this runner, see 957 00:51:13,050 --> 00:51:16,469 Leanna Scaglione: where they're going." And lo and behold, they were with 958 00:51:16,469 --> 00:51:19,530 Leanna Scaglione: Children's Tumor Foundation, they have a team for the New 959 00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:22,290 Leanna Scaglione: York City Half Marathon as well as the New York 960 00:51:22,290 --> 00:51:26,310 Leanna Scaglione: City Marathon and so far all of the other marathon majors, 961 00:51:26,310 --> 00:51:30,750 Leanna Scaglione: except for Boston so far. And it's just in my 962 00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:33,660 Leanna Scaglione: gut knew that this is where I needed to go 963 00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:35,219 Leanna Scaglione: and where I needed to belong. 964 00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:38,340 Meb Keflezighi: Wow, incredible that you were in that race and you 965 00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:41,730 Meb Keflezighi: saw that sign and the universe helped you realize what 966 00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:44,969 Meb Keflezighi: you can do even more beyond yourself. Since you started 967 00:51:44,969 --> 00:51:49,529 Meb Keflezighi: running during the pandemics, have you noticed any ways that 968 00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:52,860 Meb Keflezighi: your approach to running, like how you train, how you 969 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:56,819 Meb Keflezighi: deal with setbacks feel different because of the expectation with the 970 00:51:56,820 --> 00:51:58,080 Meb Keflezighi: illness and recovery? 971 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,670 Leanna Scaglione: It's definitely changed throughout the years with my running. When 972 00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:06,210 Leanna Scaglione: I first started during the pandemic, it was an escape 973 00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:08,969 Leanna Scaglione: for me to get outside of the four walls of 974 00:52:08,969 --> 00:52:13,230 Leanna Scaglione: my living room and just to get some air. And 975 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:18,450 Leanna Scaglione: then joining New York Road Runners and participating in the 976 00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:22,590 Leanna Scaglione: races in Central Park, it was really exhilarating. I felt 977 00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:26,310 Leanna Scaglione: like I found a hobby that I could really latch 978 00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:31,710 Leanna Scaglione: onto and enjoy and have that purpose again like I 979 00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:36,509 Leanna Scaglione: did with the ballet. And when the things with my 980 00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:40,110 Leanna Scaglione: NF started to change and I was on a chemotherapy 981 00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:49,020 Leanna Scaglione: drug trial for 2022 to 2023 and then surgery for 2024 and 982 00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:56,430 Leanna Scaglione: now again on another immunotherapy treatment, it changed how I 983 00:52:56,430 --> 00:53:00,480 Leanna Scaglione: had to train for things. The side effects affected my 984 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,009 Leanna Scaglione: heart rate, my breathing capabilities. And I just had to 985 00:53:05,070 --> 00:53:08,040 Leanna Scaglione: reflect on my abilities and be like, " Hey, you're still 986 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,940 Leanna Scaglione: out here doing it. Yeah, you may not be going 987 00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:15,930 Leanna Scaglione: as fast as you typically do, but you're on a 988 00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:19,710 Leanna Scaglione: treatment and you just ran six miles. Give yourself some 989 00:53:19,710 --> 00:53:23,910 Leanna Scaglione: credit." So it definitely taught myself to listen to my 990 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:26,969 Leanna Scaglione: body and just ease up on myself and be proud 991 00:53:26,969 --> 00:53:29,760 Leanna Scaglione: of the smaller moments and achievements that I was able 992 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,629 Leanna Scaglione: to have. 993 00:53:31,350 --> 00:53:36,060 Meb Keflezighi: Incredible. Leanna, you overcame so much obstacle. You might not 994 00:53:36,060 --> 00:53:38,730 Meb Keflezighi: have been the ballerina that you wanted to, but you're a true 995 00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:42,120 Meb Keflezighi: champion and you have overcome so many obstacles to be 996 00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:46,410 Meb Keflezighi: an ambassador for Children Tumor Foundation. We are so grateful 997 00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:50,130 Meb Keflezighi: to have you. But you also are aiming to be 998 00:53:50,130 --> 00:53:54,000 Meb Keflezighi: the first person with NF too to earn all six 999 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,730 Meb Keflezighi: World Major Marathon Stars. What will that mean to you? 1000 00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:07,530 Leanna Scaglione: So I, taking it as a personal sense of I've 1001 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,090 Leanna Scaglione: defeated my NF. Unfortunately, there is no cure for any 1002 00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:18,060 Leanna Scaglione: type of NF. There's three types, NF1, NF2-related schwannomatosis, which is 1003 00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:22,350 Leanna Scaglione: what I have, and schwannomatosis. There's, like I said, no 1004 00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:26,820 Leanna Scaglione: cure for any of them. Hopefully, science is moving forward 1005 00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:29,580 Leanna Scaglione: in the direction to get a cure and that is 1006 00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:33,000 Leanna Scaglione: what CTF's main focus is, is funding research so we 1007 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,190 Leanna Scaglione: can get there. But being able to even get the 1008 00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:42,540 Leanna Scaglione: six stars alone would just be an amazing personal achievement 1009 00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:46,500 Leanna Scaglione: just for myself to show to myself that I defeated 1010 00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:50,340 Leanna Scaglione: my NF in a way. But to be the first 1011 00:54:50,340 --> 00:54:54,060 Leanna Scaglione: person to do it, I think would be incredible in 1012 00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:57,509 Leanna Scaglione: a way to show the world what people with NF 1013 00:54:57,510 --> 00:55:01,200 Leanna Scaglione: can do. And those of us who also have NF, 1014 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,879 Leanna Scaglione: to see that your life isn't bound by your diagnosis 1015 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,140 Leanna Scaglione: and you can live beyond it. 1016 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,230 Meb Keflezighi: Pretty incredible story. Wish you all the best and thank 1017 00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:11,700 Meb Keflezighi: for sharing your story here with us. 1018 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,500 Leanna Scaglione: Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be 1019 00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:14,550 Leanna Scaglione: able to share with you. 1020 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right, thank you Meb and thank you Leanna for being 1021 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,759 Rob Simmelkjaer: a member of New York Road Runners. Now, it's time 1022 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: for the final part of our show, today's Meb Minute. And it's Meb's mile- by- 1023 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: mile countdown to the 2025 TCS New York City Marathon. Today, Meb 1024 00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:32,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: is here to kick us off with miles one and two. 1025 00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:37,380 Meb Keflezighi: Thanks, Rob. Welcome to my mile- by- mile countdown to 1026 00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:42,180 Meb Keflezighi: the 2025 TCS New York City Marathon. Mile one, a steady 1027 00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:46,469 Meb Keflezighi: uphill climb, the start of Staten Island is cold and 1028 00:55:46,469 --> 00:55:50,880 Meb Keflezighi: windy. (inaudible) the national anthem had just been played 1029 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,680 Meb Keflezighi: and it's the iconic views. Resist pushing too hard in this 1030 00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,450 Meb Keflezighi: exhilarating crowd and climb. The Verrazzano Bridge is the highest 1031 00:56:00,450 --> 00:56:03,989 Meb Keflezighi: point of the marathon route, but it's also an incredible 1032 00:56:03,989 --> 00:56:07,350 Meb Keflezighi: view. Pace is not important, just climb up the hill 1033 00:56:07,350 --> 00:56:11,969 Meb Keflezighi: nice and steady. Mile two, a long downhill as you 1034 00:56:11,969 --> 00:56:17,340 Meb Keflezighi: descend into Brooklyn. Great opportunity to shed layers and find 1035 00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:20,069 Meb Keflezighi: a pace that disciplines to be able to be the 1036 00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:23,040 Meb Keflezighi: best you can. Pace is irrelevant at this point because you're going 1037 00:56:23,550 --> 00:56:27,149 Meb Keflezighi: down the hill. You just went uphill, now downhill pace 1038 00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:32,100 Meb Keflezighi: is are relevant, but enjoy the camaraderie of people above 1039 00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:35,219 Meb Keflezighi: of the bridge, down the bridge. Just have fun. 1040 00:56:36,210 --> 00:56:39,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: And that does it for another episode of Set The 1041 00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:42,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: Pace. We want to thank our incredible guest today, Patina 1042 00:56:42,330 --> 00:56:45,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: Miller, along with our New York Road Runners member, Leanna 1043 00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:49,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: Scaglione. If you liked the episode, make sure you rate 1044 00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: it, subscribe, leave a comment, we'd love to hear from 1045 00:56:52,830 --> 00:56:54,989 Rob Simmelkjaer: you, and of course that will help others find the 1046 00:56:54,989 --> 00:56:58,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: show as well. Hope everybody has a great week. Beat 1047 00:56:58,860 --> 00:57:01,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: the heat, enjoy the miles, and we'll see you next week.