WEBVTT - A Special Marathon Episode for Your Long Run - with Corey Wharton-Malcolm and Austin Curtis 0:00:00.300 --> 0:00:02.940 Because I know what this running thing did for me, 0:00:03.029 --> 0:00:06.660 it gave me cardio confidence. And that cardio confidence, is 0:00:06.660 --> 0:00:10.440 that instills this belief in you, that because I can 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.810 get to the bottom of the road, because I can 0:00:12.900 --> 0:00:15.090 accomplish anything that I set my mind to in the 0:00:15.090 --> 0:00:19.170 running space, I can probably do anything outside of the 0:00:19.170 --> 0:00:20.700 running space that I set my mind to. 0:00:24.510 --> 0:00:28.950 Thank you, New York. Today we're reminded of the power 0:00:28.950 --> 0:00:32.879 of community and the power of coming together. Athletes, 0:00:33.570 --> 0:00:34.379 on your mark. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.050 The first woman to finish for the second straight year here 0:00:40.260 --> 0:00:43.080 in the New York City Marathon is Miki Gorman, a 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.129 smiling Miki Gorman, and why not? 2: 29: 30, the time for Grete Waitz. 0:00:48.420 --> 0:00:51.089 Look at the emotion of Shalane Flanagan as she comes 0:00:51.090 --> 0:00:54.420 to the line. Pointing to his chest, pointed to the 0:00:54.420 --> 0:00:58.260 USA he so proudly wears across his chest. A great 0:00:58.260 --> 0:00:59.002 day for Matt (inaudible) . 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:08.550 Hey everybody, and welcome to a special long edition 0:01:08.550 --> 0:01:10.950 of Set the Pace, the official podcast of New York 0:01:10.950 --> 0:01:14.729 Road Runners, presented by Peloton. I'm your host, Rob Simmelkjaer, 0:01:14.730 --> 0:01:17.940 the CEO of New York Road Runners. And with me, 0:01:17.940 --> 0:01:23.069 my co- host and birthday girl this week, Peloton instructor, 0:01:23.130 --> 0:01:27.000 Becs Gentry. Becs, happy birthday, belated. How are you? 0:01:27.270 --> 0:01:30.720 Thank you. I'm good. Year older, feeling a lot 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:35.069 wiser, and all of that joy. I had a wonderful 0:01:35.069 --> 0:01:38.220 week, celebrate... Well, not week, I'm not the queen, but 0:01:38.580 --> 0:01:42.870 a wonderful couple of days of celebration. Rodan, it was 0:01:42.870 --> 0:01:45.060 my father- in- law's 70th birthday as well, so we 0:01:45.060 --> 0:01:48.480 had a big family party this weekend for him. So, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.950 it's been a lot of joy and good memories being made. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.100 I love it. You're not getting any older, I don't care what 0:01:56.100 --> 0:01:58.530 the calendar says. You keep doing what you do and 0:01:58.530 --> 0:02:04.710 you're clearly aging in reverse. So, happy reverse birthday. Absolutely, yes. 0:02:04.710 --> 0:02:04.920 Thank you, I appreciate it. 0:02:06.090 --> 0:02:09.690 You're welcome, you're welcome. And Becs, we're going long today 0:02:09.690 --> 0:02:12.209 with today's episode of Set the Pace. This is something 0:02:12.210 --> 0:02:15.750 that was actually in response to a lot of requests 0:02:15.750 --> 0:02:19.740 we've gotten from listeners who want a long episode to 0:02:19.740 --> 0:02:22.800 go with the long run. And so, we know a 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.470 lot of folks right now are out there getting ready 0:02:25.470 --> 0:02:30.001 for the Boston Marathon, the London Marathon, the spring 0:02:30.180 --> 0:02:33.450 races that are coming up. And so this is really 0:02:33.450 --> 0:02:36.389 for them and anybody who's training for a long, long 0:02:36.389 --> 0:02:38.580 race, or if you're just in the car for a 0:02:38.580 --> 0:02:41.489 long time or have a couple hours worth of errands 0:02:41.490 --> 0:02:44.070 to run and you want some good running talk to 0:02:44.070 --> 0:02:45.990 go along with you, we're going to go for about 0:02:45.990 --> 0:02:50.400 two hours today. We got more than one great guest 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.220 and we're so excited. So, we'll get to all that in 0:02:53.669 --> 0:02:55.740 just a second but this will be fun, I think, 0:02:55.740 --> 0:02:58.950 for us to have some longer conversations and give folks 0:02:58.950 --> 0:03:00.420 a chance to settle in for a while. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.050 Absolutely, and we are so honored if you are taking 0:03:04.050 --> 0:03:06.990 us out for that long run, we're honored that we 0:03:06.990 --> 0:03:09.630 are here with you and we hope that you have some 0:03:09.660 --> 0:03:13.410 fun with us over these miles and maybe some of 0:03:13.410 --> 0:03:16.919 these conversations might shake out some nerves. There's definitely a 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:21.600 lot of tips and tricks and moments in these conversations, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.610 all of the conversations, all of the guests that we 0:03:23.610 --> 0:03:28.619 have on this long episode. So yeah, thanks for being 0:03:28.620 --> 0:03:31.230 here with us, but we have a lot to 0:03:31.230 --> 0:03:35.040 celebrate too, actually, Rob. We have a lot of fun 0:03:35.250 --> 0:03:41.340 coming. I feel like once April kicks off, it is 0:03:41.580 --> 0:03:46.860 truly spring and there's truly all of the magic starts 0:03:46.860 --> 0:03:49.950 happening, and that kicks off for us next week. 0:03:50.610 --> 0:03:53.670 April is so much fun at New York Road Runners 0:03:53.670 --> 0:03:56.760 and in New York. We'll talk about the running for 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.730 a second, and then we'll talk about the podcast. Some 0:03:59.730 --> 0:04:01.830 of my favorite races of our year are in 0:04:01.830 --> 0:04:04.170 the month of April, because we do a lot of 0:04:04.170 --> 0:04:07.590 these kind of four- mile runs and I love the four- 0:04:07.590 --> 0:04:10.980 mile distance. So, this coming Sunday we've got the Run 0:04:10.980 --> 0:04:14.460 as One four- miler in Central Park, which is always 0:04:14.460 --> 0:04:16.890 one of my favorites. And I'm not quite sure why 0:04:16.890 --> 0:04:19.800 Becs, but actually two years in a row, for me 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:24.089 personally, this race has been my best pace race for 0:04:24.089 --> 0:04:26.910 New York Road Runners. Back- to- back years, it's been 0:04:26.910 --> 0:04:28.800 my best pace. I don't know if I'll be able 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.229 to keep that streak going, but I've had two 0:04:31.230 --> 0:04:34.230 straight years of really great days. I just love the course, 0:04:34.230 --> 0:04:36.630 it's got a nice kind of downhill finish and you 0:04:36.630 --> 0:04:38.550 love to run fast at the end. So that's coming 0:04:38.550 --> 0:04:40.950 up. And then a week after that, we've got the 0:04:40.950 --> 0:04:43.980 Retro Run, which has actually moved up from where it 0:04:43.980 --> 0:04:47.460 usually sits in the middle of the summer, because we 0:04:47.460 --> 0:04:49.830 switched our calendar a bit this year. So the Retro 0:04:49.830 --> 0:04:52.830 Run where people are always invited to come and wear 0:04:52.830 --> 0:04:56.880 kind of the old school clothes from the '70s and the '80s, and 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.370 we bring out some of the older New York Road 0:04:59.370 --> 0:05:02.910 Runners stuff, the signage and the logos and we 0:05:02.910 --> 0:05:04.469 have a lot of fun with that race. So, that'll 0:05:04.470 --> 0:05:07.140 be the weekend after that. So, a lot of great 0:05:07.140 --> 0:05:08.969 stuff happening in the month of April. We're also going 0:05:08.970 --> 0:05:12.420 to have our women's half marathon later in the month, 0:05:12.420 --> 0:05:16.170 that's now sponsored by our friends at Maybelline. So, just 0:05:16.170 --> 0:05:19.050 a lot of great things coming up with Road Runners 0:05:19.050 --> 0:05:21.120 in the month of April. And then Becs, you were 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.419 kind of alluding to it on the podcast front. We've 0:05:24.420 --> 0:05:28.169 got a big anniversary coming up on April 8th. We 0:05:28.170 --> 0:05:32.160 will have the 100th episode of Set The Pace. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:32.849 Wow, wow. 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.460 I can't believe it. I mean, I'm sure for you 0:05:35.460 --> 0:05:38.700 it's amazing, for me it's insane because I still think 0:05:38.700 --> 0:05:43.920 back to the first kind of beginnings of this podcast, and 0:05:44.070 --> 0:05:47.279 the meetings that we had at New York Road Runners 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:51.060 and the people who I said, " Let's do this so 0:05:51.060 --> 0:05:53.400 we can have a different way of talking to our 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.950 members and to our audience," and we've had so many 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.000 great people involved in the podcast over that 100 episodes. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.610 Matt Singer, who was kind of there at the 0:06:02.610 --> 0:06:04.740 very beginning, our head of content at New York Road 0:06:04.740 --> 0:06:10.920 Runners. Lou Pellegrino, who came in with the company that 0:06:11.220 --> 0:06:16.170 his boss Spencer Brown works with, works for. Spencer was 0:06:16.170 --> 0:06:18.390 the first guy I called to say, " Hey, can you 0:06:18.390 --> 0:06:22.020 help us put a podcast together?" Spencer brought in Lou, 0:06:22.020 --> 0:06:25.919 who's our phenomenal editor and puts this show together every 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.270 single week. Catherine Jones joined as our producer, and 0:06:30.270 --> 0:06:33.029 then of course it was me and Meb for the beginning and 0:06:33.029 --> 0:06:35.580 now it's me and you, Becs, with Meb still involved. 0:06:35.850 --> 0:06:39.180 So, it feels like so much has happened in 100 0:06:39.180 --> 0:06:41.880 episodes and it's been such a great ride. And we're 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:46.049 going to celebrate that 100th episode with a live episode 0:06:46.380 --> 0:06:50.070 at the New York Public Theater, which- 0:06:50.070 --> 0:06:50.070 Wow. 0:06:50.071 --> 0:06:54.300 ... Becs, if you know the history of the New York Public 0:06:54.330 --> 0:06:58.529 Theater, it's an iconic place in New York. It's a 0:06:58.529 --> 0:07:01.410 theater, we call it the Public, that's really a 0:07:01.410 --> 0:07:04.560 New York institution since the 1950s, just like New York 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:10.230 Road Runners, and so many unbelievably successful shows have launched 0:07:10.230 --> 0:07:13.920 there. Hair, A Chorus Line, and of course most recently, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:18.780 Hamilton launched at the Public Theater. They've won 54 Tony 0:07:18.780 --> 0:07:20.970 Awards, five Pulitzer Prizes. 0:07:21.510 --> 0:07:21.630 What? 0:07:21.630 --> 0:07:24.001 55 productions have gone on to Broadway from there. 0:07:24.001 --> 0:07:24.271 Unreal. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.720 And Set the Pace is going to be on the stage at 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.429 the public theater. It's bananas. 0:07:29.610 --> 0:07:32.310 We'll be the 56th production that goes to Broadway. 0:07:32.580 --> 0:07:33.090 I'm kidding. 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:34.110 Let's not get crazy. 0:07:36.090 --> 0:07:38.880 I cannot wait. I love it when we have our 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.690 live shows. It is always so inspiring to meet our 0:07:42.690 --> 0:07:46.950 listeners, to meet the runners, and just have this one- to- 0:07:46.950 --> 0:07:50.460 one interaction with people. So, I cannot wait to see 0:07:50.460 --> 0:07:54.030 everybody next Tuesday at this beautiful event. 0:07:54.210 --> 0:07:56.670 I'm going to see if we can drag Lou Pellegrino 0:07:56.670 --> 0:08:00.000 to show up in person for that episode and get 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:01.351 some of the people behind the scenes. 0:08:01.351 --> 0:08:01.679 100% pick her, yes. 0:08:02.190 --> 0:08:04.681 Matt and Catherine to actually stand up on stage- 0:08:04.681 --> 0:08:04.682 On stage, yes. 0:08:04.682 --> 0:08:04.742 ... for a second. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:06.840 They should. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.630 Just so they can get some love for helping this 0:08:10.050 --> 0:08:12.840 show get to where it is with 100 episodes. So 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:13.950 we'll work on that offline. 0:08:13.950 --> 0:08:14.041 We'll work on that, yep. 0:08:14.041 --> 0:08:17.580 But I think if you come to the Public theater, we're going 0:08:17.580 --> 0:08:19.590 to make sure you meet some of the people behind 0:08:19.590 --> 0:08:19.980 the show. 0:08:19.980 --> 0:08:20.041 You might meet them. 0:08:20.041 --> 0:08:23.490 But it's been so great. Thank you to everybody who's been listening 0:08:23.490 --> 0:08:26.130 all this time and we hope you'll stay with us 0:08:26.130 --> 0:08:30.720 for many episodes to come. And then Becs, we've 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.960 got another live episode happening on April 19th. For the 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.970 second year in a row, we're going to be recording, 0:08:35.970 --> 0:08:39.480 Set the Pace live from the Citizens House of Blues 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.270 in Boston. This is our second year of doing this. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.569 The Saturday before the Boston Marathon. That's going to be 0:08:45.570 --> 0:08:49.410 a special member only event, and my guest host that 0:08:49.410 --> 0:08:53.550 day will be ABC's Sam Ryan, who of course is 0:08:53.550 --> 0:08:58.380 an amazing broadcaster, well- known to everybody in New York. 0:08:58.380 --> 0:09:01.740 Her phenomenal job as a sports anchor for Eyewitness 0:09:01.740 --> 0:09:06.120 News, and she's a regular host of the studio production 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.780 for our marathon and our other big races. So, so 0:09:09.780 --> 0:09:13.559 excited to have Sam join us. And our guest for 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.400 that episode is going to be the incredible Ed Eyestone, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.140 a two- time Olympian. 0:09:19.140 --> 0:09:19.199 Wow. 0:09:19.470 --> 0:09:23.370 Sometime broadcaster, and of course famously, coach to both Conner 0:09:23.370 --> 0:09:26.910 Mantz and Clayton Young, out there in Utah. So, cannot 0:09:26.910 --> 0:09:27.960 wait for that episode. 0:09:28.620 --> 0:09:32.190 Cannot wait, I am so envious. I need to 0:09:32.190 --> 0:09:35.429 get myself back up to Boston after, I haven't been 0:09:35.429 --> 0:09:37.260 up for a couple of years. So, I'm going to 0:09:37.260 --> 0:09:41.100 be tuning in and cannot wait to hear this wonderful 0:09:41.100 --> 0:09:44.880 episode and cheer Sam and all the other runners on 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:46.800 at the race as well. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.559 I can't wait to, I've got so many questions for Ed Eyestone, 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:54.870 in terms of how he's been able to do what he's done with Conner, with Clayton, 0:09:55.140 --> 0:09:59.970 with this incredible pack of fast, fast runners out there 0:09:59.970 --> 0:10:02.760 in Utah. It's really become a hotbed of running 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.179 in the United States, which isn't necessarily what you'd naturally 0:10:06.179 --> 0:10:08.760 would think would happen in Utah. You think about skiing, 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.360 and you think about winter sports primarily in Utah. They're 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.400 going to have another Winter Olympics out there after having 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.120 one already, and suddenly it's a distance running mecca. So, 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.429 can't wait to talk to Ed about what is happening 0:10:20.429 --> 0:10:22.800 out there with running in Utah and all these great 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.250 runners. So, that's going to be great. But today, as 0:10:26.250 --> 0:10:29.670 I said, we're going long, a two- hour episode, as 0:10:29.670 --> 0:10:32.460 folks get ready for Boston and London. So our 0:10:32.460 --> 0:10:36.569 guest today, first coming off of a relay run from 0:10:36.570 --> 0:10:41.010 Los Angeles to Las Vegas, is Apple Fitness Plus trainer 0:10:41.010 --> 0:10:45.630 and running coach, as well as author, Cory Wharton- Malcolm. 0:10:45.630 --> 0:10:49.140 And Becs, you and Cory go back a ways as our 0:10:49.140 --> 0:10:52.770 listeners will hear, you guys worked together at Nike, and 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.490 I'm excited to have you guys reconnect because I know 0:10:56.490 --> 0:10:58.589 you guys have a lot of things to talk about. 0:10:58.590 --> 0:11:01.800 Oh yeah, you are all in store for a truly 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.880 magnificent conversation with Cory. He's one of a kind. 0:11:06.390 --> 0:11:11.040 He is an incredible person, incredibly inspiring and just sums 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.230 up so many of the things we talk about when 0:11:13.230 --> 0:11:15.840 it comes to running and the power of running. So, it's 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.569 a great conversation and Cory will join us in just 0:11:18.570 --> 0:11:21.750 a minute. Then Becs, we're going to go back to 0:11:22.020 --> 0:11:26.010 the in- family portion of our broadcast and check in 0:11:26.010 --> 0:11:29.820 with your partner, Austin, as he prepares to run the 0:11:29.820 --> 0:11:33.120 London Marathon, which we're excited about. And we're going 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.210 to see how Austin's feeling as he gets ready for London. 0:11:36.570 --> 0:11:40.590 Absolutely, can't wait to hear about his whole journey to 0:11:40.590 --> 0:11:44.550 this infamous race. And there might be a little surprise in 0:11:44.550 --> 0:11:47.760 store for Austin as well, so stay tuned to find 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.199 out what that might be. 0:11:49.350 --> 0:11:53.730 Maybe so, maybe so. Austin's got aspirations, for sure. That six- 0:11:53.730 --> 0:11:57.059 star journey, we all want to get that six- star. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.001 And then we've got a great member moment as well, as 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.100 we were going to keep it in the family, and 0:12:02.100 --> 0:12:06.510 we mean the whole family. Sister and brother TFK members, 0:12:06.510 --> 0:12:09.900 Teresita and Luis Gonzalez are going to join us to 0:12:09.900 --> 0:12:14.069 talk about their training for both Boston and London, and 0:12:14.070 --> 0:12:16.829 how with every finish line they cross, more of their 0:12:16.830 --> 0:12:19.770 family members cross it with them. They're bringing the family 0:12:19.770 --> 0:12:21.420 along for these runs. So we'll talk to them, look 0:12:21.420 --> 0:12:23.850 forward to that. And then in keeping with our spring 0:12:23.850 --> 0:12:26.939 marathon theme for today, today's Meb Minute is all about 0:12:26.940 --> 0:12:29.760 traveling for your run. 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Peloton, the official digital fitness partner 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.480 for New York Road Runners. Cory Wharton- Malcolm is a London- 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.230 born running coach, whose journey began with a very simple 0:13:16.230 --> 0:13:20.280 goal, just get to the end of the street. Since 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:24.330 completing his first marathon back in 2007, he's gone on 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.840 to coach thousands of runners with Apple Fitness Plus, and 0:13:27.870 --> 0:13:31.860 his own community, Track Mafia. Known for blending music, 0:13:31.860 --> 0:13:36.240 humor and honesty, Cory brings joy and inclusivity to a 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:40.319 sport that can often feel very intimidating. His book came 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.100 out in 2024, All You Need is Rhythm and Grit. 0:13:44.460 --> 0:13:47.819 And it captures his philosophy that running is for everybody 0:13:48.090 --> 0:13:52.170 and every mind. Today, I am so excited that he 0:13:52.170 --> 0:13:55.800 is here to talk long runs, great vibes and why 0:13:55.830 --> 0:13:58.740 just getting to the bottom of the road is still 0:13:58.830 --> 0:14:00.000 his go- to mindset. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.059 Cory, it is great to have you here on 0:14:03.059 --> 0:14:04.380 Set the Pace. Welcome. 0:14:05.130 --> 0:14:07.920 Thank you, Rob. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm very happy to be here. A 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.360 little bit sleepy but overjoyed. 0:14:09.809 --> 0:14:12.480 Yeah, the sleep thing. So you were telling us before 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.790 we started, and by the way, I'm happy to reunite 0:14:14.790 --> 0:14:17.220 you and Becs. I know you guys go back a long way. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:18.240 Big side note. 0:14:19.470 --> 0:14:21.480 Yeah, your days together at Nike. 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.460 Pretty much everything we talk about today, we'll be like, " 0:14:23.490 --> 0:14:27.480 Oh yeah, we did that, but 10 years ago. Oh yeah, Cory and I did that, 10 years 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.701 ago." Yeah, yep, yep, yes. 0:14:29.701 --> 0:14:33.390 Yeah, that's right. Becs and Cory were colleagues for a long time 0:14:33.390 --> 0:14:35.730 at Nike Run Club, so we'll talk about that at 0:14:35.730 --> 0:14:38.130 some point. But so I'm going to stay out of the way for 0:14:38.130 --> 0:14:39.930 the most part so you guys can catch up on 0:14:39.930 --> 0:14:40.650 this podcast. 0:14:40.650 --> 0:14:40.830 Perfect. 0:14:42.300 --> 0:14:44.340 But I just want to start with the sleep thing. 0:14:44.340 --> 0:14:48.630 So Cory, you just did an incredible thing, participating in 0:14:48.630 --> 0:14:51.240 this run from Los Angeles to Vegas. 0:14:51.750 --> 0:14:52.020 Yes. 0:14:52.020 --> 0:14:54.270 Is that why you haven't slept or what's going on? 0:14:54.270 --> 0:14:55.560 Why haven't you slept at all? 0:14:56.310 --> 0:15:00.001 Yeah, so you are 100% correct, Rob. I did a 0:15:00.060 --> 0:15:03.480 run from Santa Monica to the Welcome to Las Vegas 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:08.820 sign, with some wonderful friends, family and teammates. And you 0:15:08.820 --> 0:15:11.610 start off at 4: 00 AM and you get to 0:15:11.610 --> 0:15:15.090 Vegas when you get to Vegas. So, we were a 0:15:15.090 --> 0:15:19.740 mixed team, some incredibly fast people, some incredibly easy running 0:15:19.740 --> 0:15:23.100 people, so the team was balanced. So it took us 0:15:23.130 --> 0:15:26.880 50 hours and I'm overjoyed with it because when I did 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.850 it last time, I think it took us 52 or 54 hours. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.050 But you just run, just run and run and 0:15:34.050 --> 0:15:36.450 run, and then when you can't run anymore, you have 0:15:36.450 --> 0:15:41.520 a nap, your teammate tags you in. So, I think 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:45.960 I ran about 50K or so, really slow on a 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:50.040 bum hamstring, and I'm happy. But every night I think 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.210 I got two hours sleep on the Thursday night, because you 0:15:54.210 --> 0:15:57.180 have to meet at 4: 00 AM. Then on Friday, 0:15:57.180 --> 0:15:59.760 I picked up a little bit of sleep, and the same 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.180 on Sunday. And then because we arrived in Vegas 0:16:03.180 --> 0:16:05.520 at 6: 00 AM in the morning, you just go, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.400 check into your hotel, have an hour sleep, and then 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.500 go to the pool party. And then I ended up 0:16:10.500 --> 0:16:14.040 just partying all the way through till, I think 4: 45. 0:16:14.490 --> 0:16:15.180 Oh, boy. 0:16:16.770 --> 0:16:20.070 As one does in Vegas. That's why you were running 0:16:20.070 --> 0:16:21.661 there, isn't it? So, kind of understandable. 0:16:21.661 --> 0:16:21.662 Of course, but yeah. 0:16:21.662 --> 0:16:26.340 Dude, I have done this thing multiple times, as Cory 0:16:26.340 --> 0:16:29.490 has. Cory did it back in, I think 2017 was your first 0:16:29.490 --> 0:16:32.011 time doing it? 0:16:32.011 --> 0:16:32.012 Yes, yes. 0:16:32.012 --> 0:16:36.780 Back with Run Dem, and Track Mafia. Well, this is your first time doing it with a 0:16:36.780 --> 0:16:38.340 full Track Mafia team though this year? 0:16:38.610 --> 0:16:41.850 Yes, so that's why it felt even more special than 0:16:41.850 --> 0:16:45.210 it has done previously, because yep, everyone is my family, 0:16:45.210 --> 0:16:48.330 but this is the first time I've done it with 0:16:48.660 --> 0:16:52.170 my core family. So my wife and her dear friend, 0:16:52.260 --> 0:16:57.030 Xandria, they organized the entire trip, and then they were 0:16:57.030 --> 0:17:00.001 all out there as well. So to be with 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:04.170 people that you kind of started Track Mafia with and 0:17:04.170 --> 0:17:07.679 to be with young people who you kind of met 10, 11, 0:17:08.250 --> 0:17:14.070 12 years ago, and you gave them their first camera 0:17:14.070 --> 0:17:17.460 because they said they were interested in photography and now 0:17:17.460 --> 0:17:22.320 they're out in the desert shooting campaigns for different brands. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:26.970 It was just this beautiful full circle moment, and inspiring 0:17:27.390 --> 0:17:30.720 for me and inspiring for other people because it's 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.419 like, look at where we started. I couldn't get to 0:17:33.420 --> 0:17:36.270 the bottom of the road. And now we're here with our 0:17:36.270 --> 0:17:38.940 family running to the bottom of a very, very, very, 0:17:38.940 --> 0:17:39.720 very long road. 0:17:41.070 --> 0:17:43.171 Very, very, 340 miles, depending on which route you take. Might be 300. 0:17:43.171 --> 0:17:43.172 Yes, exactly. 0:17:43.172 --> 0:17:50.910 Could go into it, that's amazing. And we'll go into the who's 0:17:50.910 --> 0:17:52.950 and the what's of Track Mafia, because I think that's 0:17:52.950 --> 0:17:56.639 an important part of who you are and where your 0:17:57.300 --> 0:18:01.200 personal and your running life has come from. But let's 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.881 go back almost 20 years, since your first London Marathon finish line. 0:18:05.881 --> 0:18:06.570 Yes, which is crazy. 0:18:08.190 --> 0:18:10.740 Holy moly. London Marathon is around the corner. This episode 0:18:10.740 --> 0:18:14.460 will drop as a long run prior to the two 0:18:14.460 --> 0:18:17.340 big spring marathons that are on our doorstep. 0:18:17.970 --> 0:18:18.180 Amazing. 0:18:18.180 --> 0:18:22.530 And it's just unreal for me. I've known Cory for 0:18:22.740 --> 0:18:27.330 12 plus years now, and to think you were such a runner 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.210 when I met you. I looked up to you 0:18:30.210 --> 0:18:34.198 as like, he knows everything about running, this dude. 0:18:34.199 --> 0:18:34.320 No way. 0:18:34.830 --> 0:18:41.609 And it was 2026... It is 2025, Rebecca, yes, but 2026, that'll 0:18:41.609 --> 0:18:44.340 be your 20 years since you first ran London Marathon. 0:18:45.390 --> 0:18:49.169 What happened at that finish line that made you go, 0:18:49.170 --> 0:18:50.580 bam, this is it? 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:56.220 Do you know what? I'd lived in London my entire 0:18:56.220 --> 0:18:58.500 life and I'd seen the race on television and I'd 0:18:58.500 --> 0:19:00.990 spoken to people who had done it. They weren't 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:02.939 like my friends, they were friends of friends, so I'd 0:19:02.940 --> 0:19:06.240 just stumbled upon them. But the London Marathon that I went 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.340 to go and see for the first time, it was 0:19:08.340 --> 0:19:11.010 the first time I actually really knew someone and cared 0:19:11.010 --> 0:19:14.010 about someone that was running it. So when I watched 0:19:14.010 --> 0:19:16.020 them training, when I watched them run, I was like, 0:19:16.109 --> 0:19:18.660 oh wow, this is a normal everyday person that does 0:19:18.660 --> 0:19:21.359 this stuff. But when I went out on the street 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.720 and I saw the diversity of people that were running, 0:19:25.170 --> 0:19:31.410 it was like different sexes, different sizes, completely different 0:19:31.470 --> 0:19:35.790 races, religions, everyone was running together. And everyone on the 0:19:35.790 --> 0:19:38.160 city, everyone in the city came out to cheer them 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.190 on. And I was like, I want some, this is 0:19:41.190 --> 0:19:44.220 crazy. I want some of this. I'm seeing people running 0:19:44.220 --> 0:19:46.949 in rhino seats, to running with fridges on their backs, 0:19:47.369 --> 0:19:51.270 and I'm like, this is beautiful. I want to do this. And I 0:19:51.270 --> 0:19:53.940 remember saying to my friends, "You know what? I might do this next 0:19:53.940 --> 0:19:58.470 year," and everybody laughed, literally everyone laughed. They were like, " 0:19:58.470 --> 0:20:01.350 Dude, do you know how poorly you live?" They didn't 0:20:01.350 --> 0:20:04.230 say it as politely as that, but they were like, "Do you know how 0:20:04.230 --> 0:20:06.570 many poor habits you have? There's no way in the 0:20:06.570 --> 0:20:10.440 world you can do that." And I went, " Oh, okay. I bet I can." And 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:14.820 that's literally when, even if I wasn't serious when I 0:20:14.820 --> 0:20:18.300 suggested it, I was doubling down on my seriousness when 0:20:18.300 --> 0:20:21.810 you doubted me, and that's when the journey began. I 0:20:21.810 --> 0:20:26.609 just started looking into how one trains for a marathon 0:20:26.609 --> 0:20:33.300 and began. It was the hardest, back then that 0:20:33.300 --> 0:20:36.180 was the hardest thing that I had ever done. So, 0:20:36.180 --> 0:20:37.830 I just did it. 0:20:38.609 --> 0:20:43.050 I love stories like that. First of all. I love 0:20:43.050 --> 0:20:46.290 it, Cory, because the same thing really happened to me. 0:20:46.380 --> 0:20:49.109 I had not thought about running a marathon. I had 0:20:49.109 --> 0:20:52.080 been a runner, so I had running experience, but when 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.410 I was 25 years old, I kind of stumbled upon 0:20:55.410 --> 0:20:57.960 the finish line of the Boston Marathon on my way home 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.420 from a Red Sox baseball game. And I was 0:21:00.420 --> 0:21:03.119 like, oh, this is cool. And I sat there and 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.399 watched and watched and I was like, I got to 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:09.480 do this. And right then and there I signed up 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.000 for the New York Marathon that following fall. 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:12.090 Oh, wow. 0:21:12.090 --> 0:21:16.170 So it happened to me very similar. Now, I've heard 0:21:16.170 --> 0:21:19.919 that you, when you made this pledge to run the 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.859 London Marathon, your first run, you didn't even make it 0:21:22.859 --> 0:21:23.670 down the street. 0:21:24.210 --> 0:21:28.140 Nope, I did not. I did not, I didn't. That's kind of where one 0:21:28.140 --> 0:21:30.001 of my mantras comes from, which is, just get 0:21:30.090 --> 0:21:32.580 to the bottom of the road. Because when I stepped 0:21:32.580 --> 0:21:35.070 out of the house and I looked down to the bottom 0:21:35.070 --> 0:21:36.810 of the road, I was like, ah, nope, this will 0:21:36.810 --> 0:21:38.639 be easy. I understood it was going to be a 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.460 challenge, but I didn't think that I was so unhealthy, 0:21:41.460 --> 0:21:45.300 so unfit that I wouldn't literally be able to run 0:21:45.300 --> 0:21:48.030 to the bottom of the road. Now, where I used 0:21:48.030 --> 0:21:50.160 to live in (inaudible) , I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.640 a big incline. It's like a slight incline, maybe 0. 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:58.740 25%. So it wasn't a hill, but I was like, 0:21:59.190 --> 0:22:00.630 how can I not do this? 0:22:00.630 --> 0:22:02.941 You were going down, you were going down the hill? 0:22:02.941 --> 0:22:04.830 No, no. I started going up ever so slightly. 0:22:04.830 --> 0:22:05.100 Okay, got it. 0:22:05.100 --> 0:22:08.940 And then it would start going down, and I was 0:22:08.940 --> 0:22:14.820 like, how is this hurting? How is my back hurting? How are my quads hurting? How are my calves hurting? How are 0:22:14.970 --> 0:22:17.820 my legs hurting? And all I've run for is like 0:22:17.820 --> 0:22:21.240 three minutes and I was like, how the hell am I going 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.400 to run for four hours, for five hours for six 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.659 hours? And that's when I realized, huh, all I have 0:22:27.659 --> 0:22:31.080 to do for right now is just get to the 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:32.939 bottom of the road. And even if I can't get to the 0:22:32.940 --> 0:22:35.609 bottom of the road, pick something else which is my 0:22:35.609 --> 0:22:38.490 representation of the bottom of the road. So it's like, 0:22:38.490 --> 0:22:41.669 get to that yellow car, get to that dog, get 0:22:41.670 --> 0:22:44.699 to that row of bricks. And that's what I did 0:22:45.810 --> 0:22:50.250 throughout the run from LA to Vegas. It was like, 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.169 get to the next equivalent of the bottom of the 0:22:52.170 --> 0:22:54.359 road. And that might have been a sign, it might 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.600 have been a rock, it might have been the RV. Just do 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.910 what you can. And the whole point of that is 0:22:59.910 --> 0:23:02.669 to reframe everything that is in your head. In 0:23:02.670 --> 0:23:04.740 my head, I'm not saying I don't have negativity in my 0:23:04.740 --> 0:23:08.100 head, but everything is reframed. It's like, just get there. 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.980 Not, I can't get any further, it's, I got there, 0:23:11.550 --> 0:23:13.379 and you just keep saying that over and over and 0:23:13.380 --> 0:23:17.280 over again. And then you find out that by saying, 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.460 just get to that next door or get to that 0:23:20.460 --> 0:23:22.320 next fridge or get to the bottom of the road, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.230 you've now hit so many different roads and you look 0:23:25.230 --> 0:23:27.840 at your watch and you'll be like, "Ah, I've run 26 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.090 miles just by looking at the end of the 0:23:30.090 --> 0:23:34.109 road." And yeah, that's what I try and instill in 0:23:34.770 --> 0:23:39.030 anyone that I work with, speak with, who has doubt 0:23:39.030 --> 0:23:42.300 about anything. It's like, you can do this, you just got 0:23:42.420 --> 0:23:42.960 to reframe it. 0:23:44.190 --> 0:23:46.709 Absolutely, and that's how you've always been. For as long 0:23:46.710 --> 0:23:51.510 as I've known you, for sure. It's, you've just got 0:23:51.510 --> 0:23:54.300 to try, you've just got to give it a go. Don't be afraid 0:23:54.300 --> 0:23:58.230 to give it a go and show up. And you 0:23:58.230 --> 0:24:01.230 are somebody who, for as long as I've known 0:24:01.230 --> 0:24:04.560 you and since we've both been in different countries and 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:08.790 same country but now different companies, is you are somebody 0:24:08.790 --> 0:24:11.520 who shows up for other people as well, massively. And I think 0:24:13.980 --> 0:24:16.500 I feel incredibly lucky to have been your colleague and 0:24:16.500 --> 0:24:20.070 your friend back in London in our Nike days. But 0:24:20.130 --> 0:24:22.530 everything that you do, whether it's giving back to the 0:24:22.530 --> 0:24:26.010 community, whether it's just the things you say about your 0:24:26.010 --> 0:24:31.919 mom and your family and all of the energy that you put 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:36.540 out there, is so encouraging for people to actually look 0:24:36.540 --> 0:24:38.399 into. There's a difference between people saying it and you're 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:43.980 like, yeah, but do you really do that? You actually, you embody 0:24:43.980 --> 0:24:48.390 it. And I think to hear you talk about that 0:24:48.390 --> 0:24:54.359 first journey and just take us through how for you, 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:58.859 that first marathon, how that hit your mindset to change, 0:24:58.859 --> 0:25:01.560 to become this person who's like, I've unlocked something 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:05.160 for me. How am I going to share this for 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:06.840 other people to feel too? 0:25:08.790 --> 0:25:12.629 So, when I finished that first run, when I finished 0:25:12.630 --> 0:25:17.790 that first marathon, that six hours, nearly seven hour journey 0:25:18.180 --> 0:25:22.439 was just, it was like free therapy. And I'm not saying that 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:24.840 you shouldn't go to a therapist because you run, but 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.200 at that point it was free therapy for me, and 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.570 I learned so much about myself. I learned that 0:25:30.570 --> 0:25:32.730 I was a lot stronger than I ever thought I 0:25:32.730 --> 0:25:35.700 was. But I also learned that there were a lot 0:25:35.700 --> 0:25:38.609 of things that I was dealing with or hadn't dealt 0:25:38.609 --> 0:25:42.480 with, and I realized that it was running that could help 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:47.220 me with that. And it felt like I had unlocked this secret 0:25:47.220 --> 0:25:49.649 little box with a bunch of tricks in it that the world 0:25:49.650 --> 0:25:52.890 wasn't telling people about. And I was like, if I 0:25:52.890 --> 0:25:55.800 didn't know about this, that means there's a bunch of 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.590 other people that don't know about this. And those people 0:25:58.590 --> 0:26:01.140 would benefit from knowing this because I know what 0:26:01.140 --> 0:26:03.600 this running thing did for me. It gave me cardio 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:08.130 confidence, and that cardio confidence is, that instills this belief 0:26:08.130 --> 0:26:10.650 in you that because I can get to the bottom 0:26:10.650 --> 0:26:13.679 of the road, because I can accomplish anything that I 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.590 set my mind to in the running space, I can probably 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.250 do anything outside of the running space that I set 0:26:20.250 --> 0:26:22.710 my mind to. And I wanted to share that gift 0:26:22.710 --> 0:26:25.469 with other people, but I also wanted people to be 0:26:25.470 --> 0:26:29.730 aware that everything that you may know about running, everything 0:26:29.730 --> 0:26:32.129 that you may have been told about running, I'm 0:26:32.130 --> 0:26:33.959 not saying it's not true, but you don't have to 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.210 be intimidated. You don't have to be scared. You don't 0:26:36.210 --> 0:26:38.220 have to think about running fast. You don't have to 0:26:38.220 --> 0:26:40.800 think about running far. You don't have to think about 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:44.189 perfect form, perfect gait, perfect kit, all these things that 0:26:44.190 --> 0:26:47.730 we're kind of told. Just get out there and just 0:26:47.730 --> 0:26:52.139 keep winning. And when you lose, put your hands up 0:26:52.140 --> 0:26:53.940 in the air and be like, we're going to try 0:26:53.940 --> 0:26:57.000 and win again. And that is what I wanted people 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.960 to realize. Running can and will change your life if 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.570 you believe in it, if you believe in yourself. And if 0:27:03.570 --> 0:27:06.419 you don't believe in yourself, I'm here to help you 0:27:06.420 --> 0:27:09.359 believe in yourself. And that's what I always wanted to 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.810 do, it's like help people believe that they can achieve 0:27:12.810 --> 0:27:16.320 anything because that's a beautiful space to live in. And 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.060 it just changes your life completely. 0:27:19.470 --> 0:27:24.030 Wow. Can we just stop the podcast right now? Is 0:27:24.030 --> 0:27:28.980 there anything left to say, ever, on a running podcast 0:27:28.980 --> 0:27:32.100 than that? Cory, you kind of just summed up 0:27:32.100 --> 0:27:34.470 everything we ever talk about at New York Road Runners 0:27:34.859 --> 0:27:37.980 in a beautiful way. So, we got to have you 0:27:37.980 --> 0:27:38.970 around more often, man. 0:27:40.950 --> 0:27:40.951 Okay, thank you, Rob. 0:27:40.951 --> 0:27:44.070 You're really good at talking about the transformative power of running, as we like to 0:27:44.070 --> 0:27:47.730 say in New York Road Runners, it's pretty amazing. And 0:27:48.300 --> 0:27:51.930 how has it transformed you? How are you different? This 0:27:51.930 --> 0:27:56.280 cardio confidence you talk about, obviously you're different as a 0:27:56.280 --> 0:28:00.810 runner, you're different physically, your fitness level obviously has 0:28:00.810 --> 0:28:05.189 changed dramatically. Now you're running from LA to Vegas. You 0:28:05.190 --> 0:28:06.000 couldn't run down the street. 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:06.002 (inaudible) got nothing. 0:28:07.830 --> 0:28:11.910 This is bananas, right? But how has it changed you, 0:28:12.180 --> 0:28:15.210 the person? If I talk to the person you're closest 0:28:15.210 --> 0:28:17.010 to in your life, I don't know who that might 0:28:17.010 --> 0:28:21.420 be, Cory, your mother or partner or brother, whoever. How 0:28:21.420 --> 0:28:22.650 would they say it's changed you? 0:28:27.150 --> 0:28:31.379 I would say I stand taller in who I 0:28:31.380 --> 0:28:37.200 am and I have less regard for the thoughts and 0:28:37.380 --> 0:28:42.180 feelings about me that aren't positive. I think that's the 0:28:42.180 --> 0:28:45.330 best way to articulate and synthesize it. And I guess 0:28:45.330 --> 0:28:48.570 the long version of it is, running told me that I 0:28:48.570 --> 0:28:51.630 can do anything. And because running told me that I 0:28:51.630 --> 0:28:56.580 can do anything, I'm now going to do anything. It's 0:28:56.580 --> 0:28:59.700 changed the way that I look. Someone said to me the 0:28:59.700 --> 0:29:01.770 other day, because you obviously spend lots and lots 0:29:01.770 --> 0:29:04.590 of time together in the van, we were looking through 0:29:04.590 --> 0:29:06.870 pictures of what we looked like 10 years ago, 15 0:29:06.870 --> 0:29:10.410 years ago, 20 years ago. And everyone sort of, not 0:29:10.410 --> 0:29:12.690 laughed, but yeah, we were laughing. They were like, " Dude, 0:29:12.690 --> 0:29:16.860 you are 47 now. You look younger than when you did 0:29:16.860 --> 0:29:23.130 when you were 27." Because I was living poorly. Running 0:29:23.130 --> 0:29:26.880 has given me lots and lots of friends. I met 0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.940 my wife there and it introduced me to a completely 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:33.510 different world. I always laugh with people and I say, " 0:29:33.510 --> 0:29:35.970 Dude, before I started running, I'd never been to Shoreditch." 0:29:36.300 --> 0:29:39.180 and they're like, " What do you mean you've never been to 0:29:39.180 --> 0:29:41.340 Shoreditch?" And for those of you who don't know where Shoreditch 0:29:41.340 --> 0:29:44.580 is, it's this sort of hipster- y, cool, if you 0:29:44.580 --> 0:29:48.510 want to use that word, area in East London. And 0:29:48.510 --> 0:29:52.140 going there, I met all of these people who were 0:29:52.140 --> 0:29:55.110 runners or into running. They wouldn't even refer to themselves 0:29:55.110 --> 0:29:58.170 as runners at that time. And they just did all 0:29:58.170 --> 0:30:00.630 of these things that I'd never heard of. And 0:30:00.630 --> 0:30:02.940 I know that sounds really weird, but I used to 0:30:02.940 --> 0:30:04.320 work for the government, I used to work for the 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.580 public sector, I worked in youth centers, community organizations, and then I go and 0:30:08.580 --> 0:30:10.440 meet these people and I'm like, " Oh, what do you 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:12.810 do for a living?" And it's like, " Oh, I'm a videographer." And I was like, " A videographer? 0:30:13.590 --> 0:30:18.390 As in you hold a video camera and you video stuff?" 0:30:18.810 --> 0:30:21.510 And they're like, " Yeah, I do that." You'd meet someone else and they're like, " 0:30:21.780 --> 0:30:24.660 I'm a music producer. I paint pictures, I do all of 0:30:24.780 --> 0:30:27.000 these things." So I met all of these creative people and I was 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.780 like, hold on. I've been slogging for years and 0:30:30.780 --> 0:30:34.440 I've met these people who appear with respect to not 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:37.500 really do anything, and you're paying for your house, you're 0:30:37.500 --> 0:30:39.990 paying for your car, you're putting your kids through school. 0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:43.290 I was like, how come I haven't heard of any 0:30:43.290 --> 0:30:45.900 of these things? Why did no one tell me there 0:30:45.900 --> 0:30:49.830 was this life on the other side that I now 0:30:49.830 --> 0:30:52.470 have access to? And you meet other people and they 0:30:52.470 --> 0:30:56.280 show you about another world. And this sort of relatively 0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:01.231 small focus that I had just expanded tenfold. And I was 0:31:01.590 --> 0:31:03.631 like, oh, I can actually- 0:31:03.631 --> 0:31:03.630 ... tenfold and I was like, oh, I can actually 0:31:04.140 --> 0:31:07.680 achieve even more than I thought I could have achieved. 0:31:08.130 --> 0:31:10.500 And then when you just start talking to yourself like 0:31:10.500 --> 0:31:13.289 that over and over and over again, now I'm like, so you want to go 0:31:13.830 --> 0:31:18.810 to Mars? Cool. When? Tuesday or Wednesday? And that's what changed. 0:31:18.810 --> 0:31:19.681 Yep, that's how it goes. 0:31:19.681 --> 0:31:21.840 Wait, but I just want to say though, I've never been 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:27.660 to Shoreditch. I've never even heard of Shoreditch. Becks, when 0:31:27.660 --> 0:31:30.001 were you going to tell me about Shoreditch? Shouldn't 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.400 I go hang out in Shoreditch when I'm in London 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:32.969 next time? 0:31:32.970 --> 0:31:33.720 Maybe. 0:31:33.780 --> 0:31:34.500 Am I hip enough? No? Maybe I'm not hip enough. 0:31:35.940 --> 0:31:36.659 Once you have a discussion- 0:31:37.290 --> 0:31:37.380 Oh, no, you are. 0:31:37.380 --> 0:31:44.729 ... with Kwesi you'll be fine. Okay. In the moment we're in 0:31:44.729 --> 0:31:48.390 of change and of meeting new people and of you coming from 0:31:48.390 --> 0:31:55.320 that, London, the social sector in London, heading into your 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.650 social sector. So, 2012, is that right, is when TrackMafia 0:31:58.890 --> 0:32:00.270 was founded? Around then? 0:32:00.270 --> 0:32:05.459 Yes, yeah. So, 2012 was when we started RDC West, and 0:32:05.610 --> 0:32:13.290 then RDC West became TrackMafia probably two years after that. Maybe 0:32:13.290 --> 0:32:14.160 two years after that. 0:32:14.490 --> 0:32:19.739 So, RDC, for our listeners, rundown, crew, it was one of 0:32:19.740 --> 0:32:22.410 the biggest and probably one of the most formative run 0:32:22.410 --> 0:32:25.860 crews in London. Still to this day I think it's 0:32:25.860 --> 0:32:28.709 probably one of the first names that people think of 0:32:28.709 --> 0:32:30.811 when it comes to run crews in London. 0:32:30.811 --> 0:32:30.812 Charlie Dark, my mentor. 0:32:30.812 --> 0:32:32.759 Sir Charlie Dark. 0:32:33.059 --> 0:32:33.600 Yeah, sorry. Sir Charlie Dark. 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:43.680 Sir Charlie Dark. Beautiful, beautiful human. And between he and 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.250 Cory, they really did change the landscape for runners in 0:32:47.250 --> 0:32:51.570 London and created a safe space for runners, whoever they 0:32:51.570 --> 0:32:53.640 were, wherever they were from, whether they were locals or 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.880 whether they were visiting, to come and move their bodies 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:58.860 and run. And it was a concept that today is 0:32:58.860 --> 0:33:01.500 now super fashionable and super cool, but back in 0:33:01.500 --> 0:33:06.630 the early 2010s onwards was just life for us all in London, 0:33:06.630 --> 0:33:09.930 is what we did. You took over Paddington Rec, which 0:33:09.930 --> 0:33:14.550 was an unusual place. It wasn't the Shoreditch rub. It 0:33:14.550 --> 0:33:15.901 was a very different- 0:33:15.901 --> 0:33:15.902 It's very different. 0:33:15.902 --> 0:33:20.130 ... other side of London. But it worked and it 0:33:20.130 --> 0:33:27.780 really was truly this unassuming park in London that didn't 0:33:27.780 --> 0:33:30.001 have the hipster cool vibe that Cory was talking 0:33:30.150 --> 0:33:33.600 about of Shoreditch, but it had a certain something. 0:33:33.900 --> 0:33:34.139 Charm. 0:33:34.350 --> 0:33:42.330 Charm. Perfect. And your TrackMafia, the inner crew has always 0:33:42.330 --> 0:33:45.180 been the inner crew. It's like you really do have 0:33:45.180 --> 0:33:48.360 the core of the apple and it stayed together. 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:49.350 Yes. 0:33:49.710 --> 0:33:52.230 Even though you're now in different countries, like I saw, 0:33:52.230 --> 0:33:56.250 I think it was on your or Jules's Instagram last week 0:33:56.250 --> 0:33:59.790 where I was like, " What is happening? Everyone's congregating at 0:33:59.850 --> 0:34:02.160 Cory's house." And then I just hadn't looked at 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:03.721 the date and was like, " Oh, Speed Project." 0:34:03.721 --> 0:34:03.722 Exactly. 0:34:03.722 --> 0:34:07.410 But it's just what you've done. So, talk to us 0:34:07.410 --> 0:34:11.489 about like what is TrackMafia to you in your heart from 0:34:11.489 --> 0:34:12.029 then to today? 0:34:12.060 --> 0:34:17.549 Oh, wow. Becks is trying to make me cry. TrackMafia 0:34:17.549 --> 0:34:25.290 is my real family. We bonded over miles and miles 0:34:25.290 --> 0:34:31.980 and miles of just joy, pain, suffering, talking to 0:34:31.980 --> 0:34:35.910 each other. How it worked was we were obviously running 0:34:35.969 --> 0:34:39.239 RDC West and then TrackMafia was born. And TrackMafia was 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.030 born because I used to run at a run club 0:34:42.030 --> 0:34:44.969 called Dulwich Runners and I used to do track sessions 0:34:44.969 --> 0:34:48.840 there with the team and the coach there. And then 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.799 when we started RDC West and then TrackMafia, my now wife 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.200 Jules, she used to do track and the other founder, 0:34:55.230 --> 0:34:58.080 Jeggy, he used to do track. So, we were like, " 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.660 Do you know what? My office is upstairs," or 0:35:00.660 --> 0:35:02.820 used to be upstairs from Paddington Rec. We're like, " There's 0:35:02.820 --> 0:35:05.160 a track right there. Why don't we just go and do 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.830 track?" So, the three of us just started doing track. 0:35:08.250 --> 0:35:11.700 And we were real running nerds, so we would geek 0:35:11.700 --> 0:35:16.050 out on YouTube and just watch old running races, watch old- 0:35:16.050 --> 0:35:19.739 school Olympic workouts. And we were like, "We can do this, but just 0:35:19.739 --> 0:35:23.250 in a really small version." And the whole point of 0:35:23.250 --> 0:35:29.790 it was to democratize track but also show people that 0:35:29.790 --> 0:35:32.190 speed isn't just for the fast. And I know 0:35:32.190 --> 0:35:36.149 that sounds really weird, but loads of people believe that 0:35:36.150 --> 0:35:38.969 track is only for people who run fast. You only 0:35:38.969 --> 0:35:42.239 go to track if you're going to be running in 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.719 zone five, your VO2 max, where we wanted to switch 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.529 that and basically say, " No. Running is a safe space 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.640 for you to experiment with your body." Now, when we 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:58.440 started doing track, we started doing ridiculous workouts and our 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.920 time started getting faster. And people noticed that and they were like, " 0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:03.719 What are you lot doing over there at the track?" And 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.839 I was like, " We're just doing 400- meter reps. We're doing 200- 0:36:06.839 --> 0:36:10.410 meter reps, maybe some 800- meter reps, but we're taking 0:36:10.410 --> 0:36:14.100 it seriously." And we were the only group at the 0:36:14.100 --> 0:36:17.460 time who weren't an old- school running club that were 0:36:17.460 --> 0:36:21.510 doing speed in the space that we existed. So, people 0:36:21.510 --> 0:36:23.640 were like, " What's this track thing? Isn't track scary?" And it 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.100 was like, " Yeah, track can be scary, but come and 0:36:26.100 --> 0:36:29.760 do it with a smile." So, we would run 400- 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.549 meter reps and be on the verge of throwing 0:36:32.550 --> 0:36:35.730 up, but we'd still be smiling. We'd still be happy. 0:36:36.300 --> 0:36:39.450 We'd still be overjoyed. Then we would go on long 0:36:39.839 --> 0:36:42.600 three, four hour runs, the three of us, and we'd 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.890 just talk. And I've always said that running fast tracks 0:36:46.890 --> 0:36:49.620 friendship, because if you think about it, if you just 0:36:49.620 --> 0:36:52.650 look at how long you are running with someone and 0:36:52.650 --> 0:36:55.260 then try and spend that amount of time just socially, 0:36:55.589 --> 0:36:58.739 you got one run, you've got to spend weeks or 0:36:58.739 --> 0:37:02.190 months, sometimes years with someone to get to know 0:37:02.190 --> 0:37:04.770 them that well. So, we just got to know each 0:37:04.770 --> 0:37:08.520 other really, really well. And that's how the friendship was 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:12.600 born. And then we just started bringing more people in, 0:37:12.989 --> 0:37:14.610 and then all of a sudden, you've just got this 0:37:14.610 --> 0:37:17.790 amazing group of people all from different backgrounds with a 0:37:17.790 --> 0:37:20.580 bunch of different skill sets that just want to be 0:37:20.580 --> 0:37:23.819 around each other. And that's when we started telling stories, 0:37:23.850 --> 0:37:26.610 which is what wasn't happening at that particular point in 0:37:26.610 --> 0:37:30.000 time. That was what made us different. One, the fact 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.670 that we were doing these hard track sessions, two, 0:37:33.060 --> 0:37:36.239 we were telling the stories. And back then, it wasn't 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:40.649 about the beautiful shot, the wonderful light. It was really lo- 0:37:40.650 --> 0:37:44.339 fi back then and it was about, how hurt do 0:37:44.339 --> 0:37:47.910 I look right now? And I want to share this pain 0:37:47.910 --> 0:37:50.430 and anguish with people, but I also want to share 0:37:50.730 --> 0:37:53.370 the joy that it has brought. And that's what used 0:37:53.370 --> 0:37:56.279 to bring people to us. It was the balance between 0:37:56.580 --> 0:38:00.899 pain and suffering and joy and happiness, camaraderie with 0:38:00.900 --> 0:38:03.089 friends. And it's like, " They look like they're having fun. 0:38:03.630 --> 0:38:06.540 How are they having fun? I just saw the time 0:38:06.540 --> 0:38:09.420 that they ran, but this... Okay, I'm going to go 0:38:09.420 --> 0:38:11.399 and I'll see if I can have fun." And that 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:12.270 just snowballed. 0:38:13.050 --> 0:38:18.150 It really did. And all the friendliest people. And I will never forget 0:38:18.570 --> 0:38:22.680 Cynthia being the first person I ever was like, " That 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:26.910 girl runs with red lipstick on? That's so cool." And 0:38:26.910 --> 0:38:27.001 then the first time- 0:38:27.001 --> 0:38:27.002 And she stills does. 0:38:27.002 --> 0:38:30.390 ... I went to Peloton and was like, " I'm channeling my 0:38:30.420 --> 0:38:32.700 inner Cynthia," when I wore red lipstick for the first 0:38:32.700 --> 0:38:34.321 time. And to this day, if I wear- 0:38:34.321 --> 0:38:34.322 Amazing. 0:38:34.321 --> 0:38:36.900 ... red lipstick, I think of Cynthia and I'm just like, " 0:38:36.900 --> 0:38:40.710 It's so..." Yeah, it truly, I'm just trying to get 0:38:40.710 --> 0:38:43.530 across how wonderful all of it. They really, truly are. Even 0:38:43.530 --> 0:38:46.170 from an outsider who was never somebody who ran with 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:50.790 TrackMafia because I was always doing Nike things, but- 0:38:50.790 --> 0:38:53.580 The space was there for you. 0:38:54.390 --> 0:38:58.110 Exactly. But you always all held space when we were 0:38:58.110 --> 0:39:02.190 in other countries and other cities doing races together. 0:39:02.430 --> 0:39:04.710 I felt like I was part of the family, even 0:39:04.710 --> 0:39:07.440 though I was never essentially at the track meets all 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:11.910 the time. And that is something that definitely helped me 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:15.869 personally in running and falling in love with running. So, 0:39:15.869 --> 0:39:16.141 thank you, guys. 0:39:16.141 --> 0:39:20.370 No, thank you. And you're still always welcome at track as it 0:39:20.370 --> 0:39:23.550 still goes on. Even though we've moved, it's still there. 0:39:23.610 --> 0:39:24.029 Thursday at 6:30. 0:39:24.450 --> 0:39:26.160 I'd definitely pull a hammy these days. 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.469 Guys, it sounds like so many of the run 0:39:31.469 --> 0:39:34.589 clubs we have in New York. We've got clubs, we've 0:39:34.590 --> 0:39:39.450 got crews, we've got super competitive, super social, a mix. 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.320 This really is so much a part of what has 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:47.040 driven this boom in running over the last several years 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.550 since the pandemic is all that you said, Cory, about 0:39:50.580 --> 0:39:52.679 the way it brings people together, the way you can 0:39:52.679 --> 0:39:55.320 connect with somebody over a run. I never thought of 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:56.850 it in the terms you put it and how much 0:39:56.850 --> 0:39:59.069 time you spend with someone on a long run and 0:39:59.460 --> 0:40:02.279 how many coffee dates you'd have to put together 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.489 to spend that much time with someone. You're right. An hour 0:40:05.489 --> 0:40:08.100 coffee is like, you got to do like 12 of those 0:40:08.100 --> 0:40:11.819 to do a half- marathon or whatever, or a long, 0:40:11.820 --> 0:40:13.529 long run. So, it's a lot. It's a lot of 0:40:13.530 --> 0:40:16.319 time and it really does make an impact. Cory, I want 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.610 to talk about your music side too. So, you have 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.920 a bit of a background in the music world. You 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:26.489 are an MC for DJs and a lot of the 0:40:26.489 --> 0:40:30.570 electronic dance music superstars that are out there, that 0:40:30.570 --> 0:40:34.320 whole world. How does that relate to your running? I'm 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.890 curious, do you channel some of that? Do you- 0:40:37.890 --> 0:40:37.891 Can I answer that? 0:40:37.890 --> 0:40:38.010 ... listen to a lot of music when you run? 0:40:42.390 --> 0:40:43.920 I want to hear what Becks is going to say because 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.641 I most definitely do channel that on my runs. 0:40:47.641 --> 0:40:53.850 Oh my gosh, no, you go for it. But trust me, he is the good vibes, the 0:40:53.850 --> 0:40:57.030 good energy, and he is the kind of... You think 0:40:57.030 --> 0:41:00.689 I don't shut up when you're running. I learned 0:41:00.689 --> 0:41:01.709 from him, put it that way. 0:41:02.580 --> 0:41:06.239 So, when I used to MC in clubs or on 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:10.319 radio over garage, house, drum and bass, all of that 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:17.160 music, you realize that you are the vibe controller. You 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.879 are the mood controller, and you have to lead with 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:24.150 your energy. And that's what I take to my running 0:41:24.150 --> 0:41:27.390 space. I have to lead with my good energy and 0:41:28.110 --> 0:41:30.689 that's what will bring the crowd up. That's my 0:41:30.690 --> 0:41:36.120 job. My job is to dial into you personally and 0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.400 as a group of people and help you have the 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:41.280 best time of your life in combination with the DJ. 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.179 And it's the same thing when I speak to people 0:41:45.179 --> 0:41:48.179 about running. I sometimes explain it to them either like 0:41:48.179 --> 0:41:51.870 a DJ set or an entire evening of raving. It's 0:41:51.870 --> 0:41:53.489 like when you get to the rave or when you 0:41:53.489 --> 0:41:56.489 look at the first DJ, the first DJ isn't always 0:41:56.489 --> 0:41:59.339 necessarily the best DJ of the night. It's the one 0:41:59.340 --> 0:42:02.250 that's going to get you warm, but you still 0:42:02.250 --> 0:42:04.380 have to go to that set. So, you go to 0:42:04.380 --> 0:42:06.359 that set and that first DJ is the one that 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.660 gets you nice and warm, gets you hyped. Then the DJs in 0:42:10.230 --> 0:42:13.980 the middle, the DJs in the middle, they're hit or miss. AKA, 0:42:13.980 --> 0:42:15.509 you might have a good time, you might have a 0:42:15.510 --> 0:42:18.029 bad time, but you still have to stay committed to 0:42:18.030 --> 0:42:20.880 that rave if you want to see the best DJ, 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.610 which is normally the last person who closes out. So, 0:42:23.610 --> 0:42:26.460 you have to stay committed to that middle section. And 0:42:26.460 --> 0:42:28.679 then when you get to the end, it's going to 0:42:28.679 --> 0:42:30.719 be hard. It's going to be tired because you've 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.660 now been raving since midnight and it's now 6: 00 0:42:33.660 --> 0:42:37.860 AM. But if you really love this DJ, you just 0:42:37.860 --> 0:42:40.080 got to keep raving. You just got to keep partying. 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:43.290 You just got to keep going. And that's how I 0:42:43.410 --> 0:42:45.569 look at it, that's how I still treat runs to 0:42:45.570 --> 0:42:51.120 this day. And because I'm a MC, anytime I'm out 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.308 on a run and I find my head drifting off 0:42:53.309 --> 0:42:55.590 into spaces that I may not necessarily want them to, 0:42:55.890 --> 0:42:58.290 I'll just start spitting bars. And for people who don't 0:42:58.290 --> 0:43:01.125 understand spitting bars, I just mean I'll start freestyling 0:43:01.125 --> 0:43:03.630 about stuff. I'll talk about the rocks that are beside, 0:43:05.460 --> 0:43:07.800 I'll talk about the pigeons, I'll talk about the darkness 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.620 that's out there. It's just anything to take my mind 0:43:10.620 --> 0:43:14.429 off of that particular space point in time right there. 0:43:14.790 --> 0:43:17.190 And that's what I share with people. I was like when you run, you've 0:43:17.190 --> 0:43:19.259 got two choices. You either live in it or you 0:43:19.260 --> 0:43:22.350 live outside of it. And depending on where you are, 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.890 you have to make your choice. And I love living 0:43:26.309 --> 0:43:29.969 in it, because living in it, I get to process 0:43:29.969 --> 0:43:31.920 a bunch of things that I may not necessarily have 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:37.140 processed. And it also teaches me that you can't control 0:43:37.140 --> 0:43:40.920 life, but what you can control is the stuff you can control. 0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.489 And that's how I react. I said a bunch of 0:43:44.489 --> 0:43:46.410 stuff there. I hope I answered the question. 0:43:48.330 --> 0:43:51.690 I loved it. Cory, this is a new metaphor for 0:43:51.690 --> 0:43:54.929 me. I have a lot of marathon and running metaphors, 0:43:54.929 --> 0:43:58.558 but I have not had the marathon rave metaphor before. 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.870 This is huge. You may be surprised to hear 0:44:03.870 --> 0:44:06.360 this, I don't go to a lot of raves, but 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:11.130 I know what a rave is. And the idea that it's that last DJ 0:44:11.309 --> 0:44:14.370 that you're holding out for and you do have to keep the 0:44:14.370 --> 0:44:18.570 vibe going that whole time, I totally see that. I 0:44:18.570 --> 0:44:20.220 totally get that. That's really cool. 0:44:21.060 --> 0:44:21.990 Really nice. 0:44:23.730 --> 0:44:23.851 Thank you. 0:44:23.851 --> 0:44:26.700 I will attest to he does keep you going. He does. I have 0:44:26.700 --> 0:44:30.001 this real memory of you on a beanbag in, 0:44:30.809 --> 0:44:33.750 it's either going to be Amsterdam or Berlin, I can't 0:44:33.750 --> 0:44:38.460 remember which city it was. We were exhausted. We were on 0:44:38.460 --> 0:44:41.070 a 90 tour of some sort and we'd been going 0:44:41.070 --> 0:44:45.660 for weeks. And Cory's just on this beanbag and he got 0:44:45.660 --> 0:44:47.880 his shoes off, and I can just see you, I 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.480 literally can just see you, and you just started singing. 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:56.100 And we were all flat in the room, and within 0:44:56.100 --> 0:44:59.550 minutes someone had a song on their phone and Cory's just 0:44:59.550 --> 0:45:02.879 singing and we're all up and we're like, " We've 0:45:02.969 --> 0:45:06.600 got this!" Just because he literally just probably had that 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.209 thought in his own brain of, " We got to get 0:45:09.209 --> 0:45:11.610 through this. We got to get to that last DJ." 0:45:13.110 --> 0:45:16.558 And I actually built a class out of that. We 0:45:16.559 --> 0:45:19.680 used to call it Forge and it was all about 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:25.230 drum and bass music, which is anywhere between, I think 0:45:25.230 --> 0:45:30.300 it's 175, 180, or 185 bpm. I can never remember. And it is fast. It's like bam, bam, bam. But it's the 0:45:30.330 --> 0:45:35.609 perfect pace for running drills. The perfect pace. So, I 0:45:35.610 --> 0:45:38.430 would do a full class anywhere between 45 minutes and 0:45:38.430 --> 0:45:41.910 an hour and it would just be hit and running 0:45:41.910 --> 0:45:47.850 drills. So, the drum and bass would be on, its like... And I would have people just going, " 0:45:48.180 --> 0:45:51.600 One, two, three, four. Now, give me high knees, high 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.640 knees, high knees, high knees. Now, give me a skip, 0:45:53.820 --> 0:45:56.430 a skip, a skip." And people would come to the 0:45:56.430 --> 0:45:58.650 class and be like, " Dude, I hate running, I hate 0:45:58.650 --> 0:46:01.020 drills, I hate all of these things, but I like 0:46:01.020 --> 0:46:04.200 this music." And they would just come and they would do it. 0:46:04.500 --> 0:46:08.850 And I'd realize that if you just play some decent 0:46:08.850 --> 0:46:12.509 music, turn the lights off, and you're a nice person, 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:17.730 people will come and dance and work out even if 0:46:17.730 --> 0:46:19.860 they don't like working out because they're not coming to 0:46:19.860 --> 0:46:23.219 work out. You fooled them into believing that they're coming 0:46:23.219 --> 0:46:26.460 to dance and it just so happens there might be 0:46:26.460 --> 0:46:29.399 some equipment in the area. And that's what I used 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:31.859 to tell people. I fool people into working out 0:46:32.130 --> 0:46:34.860 by getting them to dance and do ridiculous things. 0:46:35.580 --> 0:46:38.969 Perfect. And that leads it on very nicely to talk 0:46:38.969 --> 0:46:42.089 about your incredible book that has just come out. 0:46:42.090 --> 0:46:44.641 Ah, yes. All You Need is Rhythm and Grit. 0:46:44.641 --> 0:46:49.980 Oh my gosh, this book. You can't quite see all 0:46:49.980 --> 0:46:53.969 of Cory right now, but Cory is a pink and 0:46:53.969 --> 0:46:58.500 blue guy in my mind. Yeah, from forever you've had 0:46:58.500 --> 0:46:59.221 pink and blue as your colors. 0:46:59.221 --> 0:46:59.371 Always. 0:46:59.790 --> 0:47:03.030 And I just love the book. Just, it's straight 0:47:03.030 --> 0:47:05.279 up like, " That's Cory's book." That's Cory's book. 0:47:07.170 --> 0:47:11.610 When they showed me that design, I was like, " Wow." 0:47:12.270 --> 0:47:19.980 Because Cindy, which is my publisher, she just messaged me 0:47:19.980 --> 0:47:21.419 and she was like, " Oh, Cory, what do you want your book 0:47:21.420 --> 0:47:26.160 cover to look like?" And I said to her, "I don't know." I was like, " Anything but 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.980 this." I don't want a- 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:31.441 Didn't want a closeup. 0:47:31.441 --> 0:47:33.150 Yeah, I didn't want a portrait of me leaning in. 0:47:34.230 --> 0:47:36.570 Awkwardly in a suit, in a linen suit. 0:47:36.570 --> 0:47:39.840 Yeah. I didn't want that. And she was like, " We've got a 0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:43.560 few ideas. The designer has worked on this. Let me 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.690 know what you think of this." And when she sent me the PDF, 0:47:47.219 --> 0:47:52.140 I was blown away. I was like, " This is me. 0:47:52.890 --> 0:47:58.980 The artist has literally captured me in color. You fully 0:47:58.980 --> 0:48:06.600 understood the assignment." I was overjoyed. And to be able to write 0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:11.369 a book, like what? From where I started about this 0:48:11.369 --> 0:48:16.770 thing that I found, it's still unbelievable. As a child,, 0:48:16.770 --> 0:48:18.900 you have these pipe dreams. I'm like, " Oh yeah, I'd 0:48:18.900 --> 0:48:21.118 love to write a book." And when people are like, " About 0:48:21.119 --> 0:48:23.640 what?" I was like, "I don't know. It's just a pretty cool thing to 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:28.320 do." But then when I was given the opportunity to 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:31.830 do that, I was like, " This is unbelievable." And 0:48:32.219 --> 0:48:35.670 I'm going to share my story because I think people 0:48:35.700 --> 0:48:38.489 not necessarily need to know my story, and that's the 0:48:38.489 --> 0:48:43.319 thing, even though the book is about me, it's not 0:48:43.380 --> 0:48:47.400 about me. It's about people like me, and those are 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:52.739 people who in the beginning didn't necessarily believe too much 0:48:52.739 --> 0:48:56.010 in themselves. They weren't really happy in their skin, but 0:48:56.010 --> 0:49:00.300 there was just something that you couldn't quite put 0:49:00.300 --> 0:49:03.630 your finger on. And I couldn't put my finger on 0:49:03.630 --> 0:49:07.049 it until running. When I found running, I realized how 0:49:07.050 --> 0:49:09.419 unhappy I was, and I wanted to share that. And 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:13.080 it was unhappy about how I looked, unhappy about my 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:17.129 weight, unhappy about where I was in life. And you 0:49:17.130 --> 0:49:22.410 spend hours with yourself, you can't but explore that. And that's 0:49:22.410 --> 0:49:25.469 what I wanted to share with people, that if you 0:49:25.469 --> 0:49:28.500 choose to, I guess, give yourself to the road or 0:49:28.500 --> 0:49:31.500 give yourself to the trails, it will give you 0:49:31.500 --> 0:49:36.330 back in tenfold. And that's what the book is about. 0:49:36.690 --> 0:49:40.260 The book is about community. How I describe it is 0:49:40.260 --> 0:49:44.310 it's a love letter to running and to myself, thanking 0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:47.880 the running gods for blessing me and giving me an 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:51.630 opportunity to bless my family, my community, with some of 0:49:51.630 --> 0:49:54.239 the lessons that I've learned that have changed my life. And 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.790 it's changed a bunch of other people's lives. And that's 0:49:56.790 --> 0:50:00.660 not on me. That's on them. I just shone 0:50:00.660 --> 0:50:04.890 the torch down into the cave and I was like, " Look in 0:50:04.890 --> 0:50:07.950 there. You can go in there if you want." And 0:50:07.950 --> 0:50:14.130 many people have chosen to. The book is about saying 0:50:14.130 --> 0:50:19.050 running is really hard, but you'll learn a lot if 0:50:19.050 --> 0:50:21.119 you engage. 0:50:22.230 --> 0:50:25.770 Amazing. Love it. The book is called All You Need 0:50:25.770 --> 0:50:29.910 is Rhythm and Grit. I love everything you just said 0:50:29.910 --> 0:50:32.190 about it, so got to pick that up. Got 0:50:32.190 --> 0:50:35.790 to check it out. Another thing that folks can check 0:50:35.790 --> 0:50:37.979 out that you're a part of, Cory, is your role 0:50:37.980 --> 0:50:39.510 with Apple and Apple Fitness+. 0:50:39.810 --> 0:50:39.960 Yes. 0:50:41.820 --> 0:50:45.719 This must be the culmination for you of all of 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.590 this journey you've had, now you are part of a 0:50:49.890 --> 0:50:52.380 fitness and running product, which is incredible. 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:53.490 Which is. 0:50:54.210 --> 0:50:54.211 Right? 0:50:54.211 --> 0:50:54.571 It's unbelievable. 0:50:54.810 --> 0:50:58.290 You must pinch yourself sometimes and be like, " Now, I'm 0:50:58.290 --> 0:51:01.618 here? I'm bringing other people to this." Talk about 0:51:01.619 --> 0:51:06.030 what you do for Apple Fitness+ and what that experience 0:51:06.030 --> 0:51:06.359 is like. 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:10.469 So, I say to people, Becks, we might battle about 0:51:10.469 --> 0:51:13.859 this, but I say to people, " I have the best job 0:51:13.890 --> 0:51:16.200 in the world." And the reason why I say I 0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.390 have the best job in the world is I predominantly 0:51:18.390 --> 0:51:21.509 work on something called Time to Run. And Time to 0:51:21.510 --> 0:51:27.750 Run is a immersive audio- guided experience where the whole 0:51:27.750 --> 0:51:30.300 point of it is to transport people on their 0:51:30.300 --> 0:51:33.719 daily runs to a completely different location. So, my job 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.960 is to literally pick a location, go to that location, 0:51:37.530 --> 0:51:41.100 pick a route, run that route, take beautiful pictures that 0:51:41.100 --> 0:51:45.479 show up on people's Apple watches and their phones, and 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.970 guide them through a workout. And I get to play 0:51:48.690 --> 0:51:52.050 the music that I'd like to as well. So, I'm 0:51:52.050 --> 0:51:54.540 like, hold on, I've taken all of the things that 0:51:54.540 --> 0:51:57.660 I've been incredibly passionate about over the past couple of 0:51:57.660 --> 0:52:00.750 decades and I now get paid to do it 0:52:00.780 --> 0:52:04.890 in sunny Los Angeles. Every morning I wake up and 0:52:04.890 --> 0:52:08.940 I'm like, " How is this possible? How are we here?" 0:52:09.359 --> 0:52:12.689 But we are here. So, I do that as part 0:52:12.690 --> 0:52:14.879 of my role. And then as you said, the other 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:18.960 part of the role for Fitness+ is working in online 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:23.700 workouts. So, I am either a modifier in workouts, so 0:52:23.700 --> 0:52:30.690 I will do yoga, strength, rowing, core, treadmill, cycling, all 0:52:30.690 --> 0:52:35.010 of those things. I basically work out and write and 0:52:35.489 --> 0:52:39.270 play music for a living and get to speak to, 0:52:39.570 --> 0:52:42.359 whether it's, I have no ideas about any figures, but 0:52:42.359 --> 0:52:45.569 it's hundreds of thousands or millions of people I get 0:52:45.570 --> 0:52:49.440 to speak to. And I'm like, " How is this happening?" 0:52:50.489 --> 0:52:53.430 20 years ago, I couldn't run to the bottom of 0:52:53.430 --> 0:52:57.300 the road, and now I'm telling people in countries all 0:52:57.300 --> 0:53:00.001 over the world how to get to the bottom 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:09.210 of the road. I still pinch myself. I still pinch 0:53:09.210 --> 0:53:15.390 myself that I'm surrounded by such amazing people that many 0:53:15.390 --> 0:53:17.940 years ago I would've paid lots and lots of money 0:53:17.940 --> 0:53:22.859 just to talk to, just to learn from. And now, I get to sit 0:53:22.859 --> 0:53:25.200 with these people and have coffee with them every morning and 0:53:25.469 --> 0:53:30.690 tap their brains. I've recently gone on another journey 0:53:30.690 --> 0:53:35.640 myself. Basically, I was supposed to run Berlin Marathon in 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:40.020 September and I was injured. And I watched all of 0:53:40.020 --> 0:53:45.660 my friends run Berlin Marathon and I was like, " I'm 0:53:45.660 --> 0:53:47.759 not missing this again next year, so I'm going to 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:52.590 start training now a year out." And because I obviously 0:53:52.590 --> 0:53:54.779 work for Fitness+, I was like, " I'm just going to 0:53:54.780 --> 0:53:57.029 set up a program on Fitness+ and I'm going to 0:53:57.030 --> 0:54:00.001 do a strength and yoga workout every single day. 0:54:00.119 --> 0:54:05.339 Maybe I'll do a Pilates workout." And just Fitness+, and obviously monitoring 0:54:05.340 --> 0:54:09.480 my nutrition, I dropped 40 pounds in three months so 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:14.730 that I could begin my running cycle proper at the 0:54:14.730 --> 0:54:17.399 beginning of the year in January. And obviously, I knew 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:20.459 that Speed Project was coming up and I was like, " 0:54:20.460 --> 0:54:22.830 You know what? I need to get back down to 0:54:22.830 --> 0:54:26.910 race weight." Because I'd actually snuck back up for the 0:54:26.910 --> 0:54:30.300 first time to quite a weight that I didn't 0:54:30.300 --> 0:54:33.900 want to be at. And because of the book, All 0:54:33.900 --> 0:54:37.469 You Need is Rhythm and Grit, I just remembered everything that I 0:54:37.469 --> 0:54:39.840 had done previously and I was like, " All I'm going 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:41.219 to do now is I'm going to do everything that 0:54:41.219 --> 0:54:43.350 I've done before, but now I have access to Fitness+, so 0:54:43.710 --> 0:54:46.469 I don't necessarily have to go to a class." So, 0:54:46.469 --> 0:54:48.000 I'd wake up in the morning and I'd put on 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:51.210 my teammates. So, there's a yoga workout that I've done, 0:54:51.210 --> 0:54:54.810 I think, 112 times because I would do it every 0:54:54.810 --> 0:54:58.710 morning to stretch my hammies or my quads or my 0:54:58.710 --> 0:55:01.260 back or wherever, and then I'd do a strength 0:55:01.260 --> 0:55:03.299 workout, then I'd go and do a cycling work and then 0:55:03.300 --> 0:55:09.810 a treadmill workout. And it's just easy. It just changed 0:55:09.810 --> 0:55:16.920 my life. So yeah, that's all. It's just amazing. 0:55:17.310 --> 0:55:17.461 It really is. 0:55:17.460 --> 0:55:17.580 What a journey. 0:55:18.690 --> 0:55:20.549 I'm not going to batter you because I think no 0:55:20.550 --> 0:55:24.300 matter what the companies we both work for are called, 0:55:25.739 --> 0:55:30.840 we do the same thing essentially. And so we 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:34.469 absolutely do have the best jobs in the world that 0:55:34.469 --> 0:55:39.540 we get to help people and ourselves move their bodies, 0:55:39.810 --> 0:55:45.089 feel grace and happiness, hopefully, on the journey, for want 0:55:45.090 --> 0:55:48.239 of a better word, that we can be part of, 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:50.460 which is just nuts that we get to be part 0:55:50.460 --> 0:55:54.780 of these millions of different journeys that are happening simultaneously, 0:55:54.810 --> 0:55:56.130 but we also have no idea. 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:58.320 Yes. That's the hard part. 0:55:58.560 --> 0:55:59.009 Yeah. 0:55:59.670 --> 0:56:01.469 That's the hard part. That, for me, is the 0:56:01.469 --> 0:56:06.540 hardest part, not knowing as in... Because I've gone from 0:56:06.540 --> 0:56:10.020 standing in the rain with an umbrella, a clipboard, and 0:56:10.020 --> 0:56:10.560 a whistle- 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:10.561 To a coach. 0:56:10.561 --> 0:56:15.209 Yeah. And you see change week after week after week 0:56:15.300 --> 0:56:19.350 right in front of you, right there, but then when 0:56:19.350 --> 0:56:24.540 you're in a predominantly digital space, you don't necessarily get 0:56:24.540 --> 0:56:29.130 to, I guess, be as close to that change. But 0:56:29.130 --> 0:56:32.160 when you're trackside or when you're roadside, when you're 0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:35.910 on the trails, you only get access to those 20 0:56:35.910 --> 0:56:38.850 people or to those 30 people, 40 people, or some of 0:56:38.850 --> 0:56:41.730 these running clubs or crews now 100 people or 1, 000 0:56:41.730 --> 0:56:45.119 people. You can't have 1, 000 connections at once. So, let's 0:56:45.119 --> 0:56:48.660 just say you've got 30 people whereby all of these 0:56:48.660 --> 0:56:51.930 online platforms, and as Beck says, regardless of what platform 0:56:51.930 --> 0:56:55.080 it is that you work for, all of these people 0:56:55.500 --> 0:56:59.489 you're helping. You'll get emails. You'll get text messages. You'll 0:56:59.489 --> 0:57:03.239 get DMs, and it's just people that you wouldn't 0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.940 even think of. And some of these stories that we 0:57:05.940 --> 0:57:11.759 get from Fitness+ are unbelievable. It's like, " I was suffering 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:15.450 from this, but through your workouts, it's made me realize 0:57:15.450 --> 0:57:17.730 that I can do more. And I've changed my life. 0:57:18.119 --> 0:57:20.700 And now, I've got my daughter into running, my son 0:57:20.700 --> 0:57:23.490 into running. My whole family's into running. And now, we've 0:57:23.490 --> 0:57:26.520 changed our nutrition. Now, we go to different places on 0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:30.000 holiday." And that's just from listening to my voice or 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.280 to your voice or to someone else's voice, or 0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:40.080 seeing that embodiment. It's just beautiful how much change we 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:44.880 can be part of. And not for selfish reasons. It's more like 0:57:45.660 --> 0:57:49.080 what you do feeds me. And that's what I love, 0:57:49.500 --> 0:57:52.680 just seeing all of that positivity out there, just seeing 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:56.850 someone smiling. There was one audio- guided run that I did 0:57:56.850 --> 0:57:59.430 in dc DC, so we went to DC, we ran the 0:57:59.430 --> 0:58:03.300 route, et cetera. It's actually happening in Puerto Rico 0:58:03.300 --> 0:58:07.440 as well, where people take the pictures that I have 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:11.430 taken, they go to the location, they run the route, 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.890 and then they take the pictures in the same place, 0:58:14.130 --> 0:58:16.859 but they'll Photoshop themselves in to make it look like 0:58:16.859 --> 0:58:19.440 we did it together. And I'm like, " This is wild." 0:58:20.340 --> 0:58:20.701 This is how committed- 0:58:20.701 --> 0:58:20.702 Wow. 0:58:20.702 --> 0:58:20.703 ... these people- 0:58:20.703 --> 0:58:20.704 That's so cool. 0:58:20.704 --> 0:58:29.640 ... are to remapping what we did. Look at my face. 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.609 I'm just smiling. I'm like, this is ridiculous. 0:58:32.850 --> 0:58:35.490 But that's because you created that connection for them, and 0:58:36.330 --> 0:58:39.840 that's their way of feeling the gratitude towards you showing 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:45.030 it and just understanding that this guy, because you did 0:58:45.030 --> 0:58:46.170 it, they did it. 0:58:46.650 --> 0:58:47.220 Yeah. 0:58:47.580 --> 0:58:48.540 It's so beautiful. 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:51.660 Yeah, it's beautiful. 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:57.930 Well, Cory, I could talk to you all day. It's just- 0:58:57.990 --> 0:58:59.610 Wait, I want to know one more thing, though- 0:58:59.610 --> 0:58:59.611 Yep. 0:58:59.611 --> 0:58:59.612 Yeah, please. 0:58:59.612 --> 0:58:59.883 ... about connection. 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:01.530 Yep. 0:59:01.590 --> 0:59:01.591 Go ahead. 0:59:01.591 --> 0:59:03.450 Are your mom and your sister still running? 0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:04.800 Oh, yes, yeah. 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:04.801 Yeah! 0:59:04.801 --> 0:59:13.260 So, it's funny, my mum actually, so she started running... 0:59:13.950 --> 0:59:17.010 Let me start from the beginning. She started walking, and 0:59:17.010 --> 0:59:19.710 then when she saw that I was running, she was 0:59:20.940 --> 0:59:23.070 like, "Do you think I can run too?" And I was like, " You saw me 0:59:23.070 --> 0:59:26.310 when I started running, right?" And then we both laughed 0:59:26.820 --> 0:59:30.001 and she was like, " I can do it. I can run." 0:59:30.660 --> 0:59:34.140 So, we just started going for walks and then going 0:59:34.140 --> 0:59:39.060 for runs. And then the old- school phrase, " Teach one, 0:59:39.060 --> 0:59:42.420 teach one." And I might have changed that, but that's 0:59:42.420 --> 0:59:45.750 what she did. I showed her how to run, and 0:59:45.750 --> 0:59:48.780 then she just gathered her own group and they started 0:59:48.780 --> 0:59:51.930 going for runs. They started going for walks. And my 0:59:51.930 --> 0:59:54.090 mom would come and cheer me on at cross country. 0:59:54.090 --> 0:59:57.540 She would cheer me on when I would do 5Ks, 10Ks, half- 0:59:57.540 --> 1:00:00.001 marathons, marathons, and then she signed up for races 1:00:00.900 --> 1:00:03.420 without me even knowing that she was signing up for 1:00:03.420 --> 1:00:06.120 these races. So, she signed up for a race in 1:00:06.150 --> 1:00:11.010 Paris at a, what's it called? At an adventure park. I 1:00:11.010 --> 1:00:12.630 don't even know if we're allowed to say the name, 1:00:12.870 --> 1:00:15.900 but she went there to Paris. There's one in Orlando 1:00:15.900 --> 1:00:16.231 and other places. 1:00:16.231 --> 1:00:16.232 Disney. 1:00:16.232 --> 1:00:16.233 And she did this- 1:00:16.233 --> 1:00:16.234 The Disney, yeah. 1:00:16.234 --> 1:00:16.235 Disney. The Disney race. 1:00:16.235 --> 1:00:16.236 The Disney challenges. 1:00:16.236 --> 1:00:16.237 I didn't know if I could say it. 1:00:16.237 --> 1:00:16.238 Of course. 1:00:16.238 --> 1:00:26.550 The Disney race. So, she did the 5K, the 10K, and 1:00:26.550 --> 1:00:27.330 the half- marathon. 1:00:27.660 --> 1:00:29.280 Wow, she did the whole Dopey Challenge. 1:00:29.610 --> 1:00:30.750 She did the whole challenge. 1:00:30.750 --> 1:00:30.810 Whoa. 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:34.620 But this is the best part. Our dear friend Paula 1:00:34.620 --> 1:00:37.830 Radcliffe, she was at the finish line. And obviously, we've 1:00:37.830 --> 1:00:39.750 done a lot of work with Paula and my mum 1:00:39.750 --> 1:00:42.690 has met Paula, so my mum is stood at the 1:00:42.690 --> 1:00:47.400 finish line waving and screaming at Paula Radcliffe. " Go ahead, do you 1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:51.720 remember me? I'm Cory's mum." Paula then invites her up 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:54.570 onto the little bus on the finish line, and her 1:00:54.570 --> 1:00:57.720 and Paula Radcliffe are taking selfies and my mum is sending them 1:00:57.720 --> 1:01:00.360 to me. And I'm like, " Mum." I'm like, " Lynn, what are 1:01:00.990 --> 1:01:05.250 you doing? Why?" " No, it's Paula. She's fine." That's how 1:01:05.250 --> 1:01:08.190 deep my mum got into the running. And then I 1:01:08.190 --> 1:01:11.220 obviously bought her an Apple Watch, and now she's addicted 1:01:11.220 --> 1:01:13.530 to that thing. She wants to close her rings every 1:01:13.530 --> 1:01:15.090 day. She wants to go for a walk. 1:01:15.690 --> 1:01:15.810 Great. 1:01:15.810 --> 1:01:19.080 And she wants to share activity. She's like, "Is the new 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:21.300 one out? When can I get that? I hear there's 1:01:21.300 --> 1:01:24.390 this new strap." The other day, like she chipped it. 1:01:24.390 --> 1:01:26.940 She said, " Oh, will it still work if it's chipped? 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:31.890 Can you get me another one?" And I also 1:01:31.890 --> 1:01:33.990 bought her one of the little Apple TVs, so she 1:01:33.990 --> 1:01:37.440 now attempts to do the workouts. And when I say attempts 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:39.660 to do the workout, she'll put it on and she'll 1:01:39.660 --> 1:01:41.490 have it in the background and she'll do a couple 1:01:41.490 --> 1:01:42.060 of the moves. 1:01:42.540 --> 1:01:43.920 That's fine. She's moving. 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:44.340 Exactly. 1:01:46.890 --> 1:01:47.940 She's moving. She's engaging and she's moving. 1:01:48.030 --> 1:01:48.720 Exactly. 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:52.350 That is beautiful. Wow, Lynn. 1:01:52.350 --> 1:01:52.561 See, you even remember her name. 1:01:52.561 --> 1:01:52.562 Aw. 1:01:52.561 --> 1:01:57.300 Well, she came to a lot of Nike events. 1:01:57.330 --> 1:01:57.570 Exactly. 1:01:57.570 --> 1:01:59.640 We got to know her. She'd always bring us food too. 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:02.491 So, that is also a thing. Sorry, Rob. That's 1:02:02.820 --> 1:02:03.811 also a thing. I- 1:02:00.241 --> 1:02:03.180 So that is also a thing. Sorry, Rob. That's also 1:02:03.181 --> 1:02:05.100 a thing. At all of the events that we used 1:02:05.100 --> 1:02:07.170 to organize, I always used to try and make sure 1:02:07.170 --> 1:02:09.390 that it was full circle, so it was a running event 1:02:09.390 --> 1:02:12.119 and my mom would cook all of the food. So 1:02:12.180 --> 1:02:15.390 you would have these ridiculous running event, and then my 1:02:15.390 --> 1:02:17.550 mom would come in and cook like rice and peas, 1:02:17.550 --> 1:02:21.660 jerk chicken curry chicken, roti, all the West Indian food. 1:02:21.660 --> 1:02:21.811 And roti. 1:02:21.811 --> 1:02:22.200 And roti. 1:02:25.230 --> 1:02:27.210 And people would be like, " Dude, what is this? Do 1:02:27.210 --> 1:02:28.590 I have to pay for this?" And I'm like, " No, 1:02:28.770 --> 1:02:30.960 this is our way of giving back my friend. 1:02:31.740 --> 1:02:38.790 Eat, be merry, be happy." And yeah, that's what we 1:02:38.790 --> 1:02:39.330 used to do. 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:44.340 So cool. And you influence people all over the world, 1:02:44.340 --> 1:02:49.380 but when it's your mom, that's where it's at. That's where it's at. 1:02:51.300 --> 1:02:53.400 One more thing about my mom. We did a Kevin 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:55.201 Hart run and she was the person- 1:02:55.201 --> 1:02:55.291 She will never forget that. 1:02:56.760 --> 1:03:00.001 Never forget Kevin Hart running towards my mom to 1:03:00.060 --> 1:03:02.610 try and help her. " That's your mom. That's your mom." 1:03:02.970 --> 1:03:04.620 I'm like, " Yeah, that's my mom, Kevin." 1:03:04.950 --> 1:03:05.101 That's superb. 1:03:05.101 --> 1:03:13.410 And I'm like, " Why are you making a scene?" Me and Becs are running 1:03:13.410 --> 1:03:17.550 this thing and you have to take the limelight." 1:03:17.940 --> 1:03:18.960 She took it, she was fine. 1:03:18.960 --> 1:03:23.430 I'm like, "You're a ridiculous person." But that's why I'm a ridiculous 1:03:23.430 --> 1:03:26.369 person. So I have to thank my mom for making 1:03:26.369 --> 1:03:27.330 me who I am. 1:03:27.780 --> 1:03:29.640 That sounded just like Kevin Hart, by the way. I totally see that. 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:33.540 Could totally see Kevin Hart doing that. 1:03:33.540 --> 1:03:37.080 I can. I can snowball from Secret Life of Pets because 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:38.550 I have a two- year- old who is addicted to 1:03:38.550 --> 1:03:40.380 watching it and Kevin Hart is the voice of Snowball 1:03:40.380 --> 1:03:41.701 the rabbit. But yeah. 1:03:41.700 --> 1:03:41.880 He's hilarious. Please. 1:03:45.030 --> 1:03:45.660 He's brilliant. 1:03:46.890 --> 1:03:47.490 I love it. 1:03:47.550 --> 1:03:47.551 So good. Well, Cory- 1:03:47.551 --> 1:03:54.419 Well Cory, you are ridiculously inspiring. It's unbelievable everything that you are 1:03:54.420 --> 1:03:58.080 doing and just phenomenal having a chance to talk to 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:02.310 you. Congratulations on the runs, on the book, on 1:04:02.310 --> 1:04:05.550 the Apple Fitness Plus and everything else you're doing. And 1:04:06.570 --> 1:04:07.710 when are we going to see you in New York? 1:04:07.830 --> 1:04:10.110 You got to get to New York for a race. When 1:04:10.110 --> 1:04:10.860 are we going to see you here? 1:04:11.610 --> 1:04:13.800 Dude, I have been coming to New York for the 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:17.970 New York Marathon every year. Probably, I think I've missed 1:04:18.150 --> 1:04:21.360 two years in the last decade or so. I'm always 1:04:21.360 --> 1:04:26.370 there cheering or taking photographs or just hanging out because 1:04:27.840 --> 1:04:30.780 we haven't spoken about the BTG movement. But the 1:04:30.780 --> 1:04:33.630 whole reason I was able to meet all of these 1:04:33.630 --> 1:04:36.389 things was because Mike Safe started it in New York. 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:40.380 So I'm always in New York giving back to that 1:04:40.380 --> 1:04:44.010 community. I'm always up there with Hector and Rue Crew, 1:04:44.730 --> 1:04:48.990 Safe and Bridge Runners. Weirdly enough, New York is my 1:04:48.990 --> 1:04:51.570 second home. I can land in New York tomorrow and 1:04:51.570 --> 1:04:56.400 be like, " Yo, I've arrived." And they'll be like, "Come to this burger spot, come to this place, come to 1:04:56.400 --> 1:04:57.030 that place." 1:04:58.200 --> 1:04:59.550 And he is the guy in the middle of the 1:04:59.550 --> 1:05:02.700 course up there too. I mean, there was no way Cory was 1:05:02.700 --> 1:05:04.201 not letting me know that he was right there. 1:05:04.200 --> 1:05:04.202 I was like, "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah." 1:05:04.201 --> 1:05:04.202 Camera confetti. 1:05:04.202 --> 1:05:04.651 I was screaming. 1:05:04.651 --> 1:05:15.000 Yeah, that crew is the best on race day. It's 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:15.810 such a great area. 1:05:15.810 --> 1:05:17.639 All right, well we got to make sure we connect 1:05:17.639 --> 1:05:18.960 with you this year. 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:18.961 Yes. 1:05:18.961 --> 1:05:19.050 Oh, definitely. 1:05:19.050 --> 1:05:19.681 Hopefully you'll be back. 1:05:19.681 --> 1:05:20.461 Yes, I will. 1:05:20.820 --> 1:05:24.270 And love to have you show up at some things 1:05:24.270 --> 1:05:25.050 and just get you- 1:05:25.050 --> 1:05:25.501 Dude, definitely. 1:05:25.501 --> 1:05:27.389 ... up and in front of some people because- 1:05:27.419 --> 1:05:27.420 100%. 1:05:27.420 --> 1:05:30.000 ... it's so great listening to you and hearing your 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:33.000 story. So let's get you out there, even more 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:33.721 in New York this year. 1:05:33.720 --> 1:05:33.900 Oh, amazing. 1:05:33.900 --> 1:05:34.800 I would love to do that. 1:05:34.800 --> 1:05:36.000 Thank you, Rob. 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Learn 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:24.390 more and contribute at NYRR. org/ donate. 1:06:25.110 --> 1:06:30.000 All right, one of today's guests is somebody very, very 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:34.860 important in my world. He's a fantastic father, he's 1:06:34.860 --> 1:06:38.850 a pretty darn good athlete all around, and he is here 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:42.390 for a second time on Set the Pace today. It 1:06:42.390 --> 1:06:43.739 is Mr. Austin Curtis. 1:06:43.739 --> 1:06:46.500 Thank you for having me back. 1:06:47.940 --> 1:06:50.279 Well this time you get the duo, you actually get 1:06:50.279 --> 1:06:54.450 Rob and myself here to talk to you about all 1:06:54.450 --> 1:06:56.940 things running. But thank you for coming back. 1:06:57.390 --> 1:06:59.550 We weren't too bad last time. I don't think we need 1:06:59.550 --> 1:07:01.920 a mediator, but it's nice to have Rob on. 1:07:03.210 --> 1:07:07.680 We're not going to do therapy here. We're just going to talk about running. Hello 1:07:07.710 --> 1:07:08.640 Austin, how are you? 1:07:08.640 --> 1:07:10.200 I'm doing well, thank you. 1:07:11.190 --> 1:07:13.110 Nice to have you on. Set the Pace, I guess 1:07:14.040 --> 1:07:15.720 you kind of have to say yes, right? I mean, 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:18.959 when the request comes from Becs, there's not really much 1:07:19.230 --> 1:07:23.220 much of a conversation to be had. We knew you'd 1:07:23.220 --> 1:07:25.830 come on. But we're thrilled to have you back on 1:07:25.830 --> 1:07:29.100 Set the Pace. And I've been thinking about you Austin 1:07:29.130 --> 1:07:31.650 a lot over the last six months as I 1:07:32.190 --> 1:07:38.040 am regaled by Becs, all of her incredible stories, her 1:07:38.040 --> 1:07:43.320 amazing adventure of running the Great World Race and seven 1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:47.700 marathons on seven continents in seven days, and all of the 1:07:47.700 --> 1:07:50.610 incredible training that had to lead up to that and 1:07:50.910 --> 1:07:55.500 the time that she had to put in to do 1:07:55.500 --> 1:07:58.560 that. And I'm thinking to myself, of course in the 1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:01.890 back of my head that wow, Austin is a 1:08:01.890 --> 1:08:06.990 champ because clearly he is picking up the slack for 1:08:07.050 --> 1:08:09.839 so much of what had to happen at home with 1:08:10.140 --> 1:08:13.200 your daughter Tallulah and everything else that has to happen 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:16.439 on the home front when someone is undertaking an adventure 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:19.799 like that. So what was it like from your perspective 1:08:20.460 --> 1:08:24.240 to see and be a part of Becs accomplishing this 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:27.089 unbelievable adventure of the Great World Race? 1:08:28.350 --> 1:08:31.860 I mean, nothing short of incredible to see Becs 1:08:31.860 --> 1:08:36.450 accomplish it. We were down in Miami for the final 1:08:36.450 --> 1:08:40.589 finish line of the seven and we had friends, family, some 1:08:40.589 --> 1:08:45.960 of Becs' colleagues, and I always find races to be 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:49.559 the celebration in many ways. But what you don't see 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:54.839 is the behind the scenes, the runs that Becs doesn't 1:08:54.839 --> 1:08:58.559 want to leave because Tallulah is asking again where mommy's 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:03.060 going. And there were a lot of daddy daughter 1:09:03.060 --> 1:09:07.470 dates on the weekends and some of those longer runs. 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:14.189 We tried to incorporate sharing some miles, some stroller miles 1:09:14.189 --> 1:09:18.030 together in the late summer before it got too cold. 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:24.360 But yeah, I don't think people realize how much of 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:28.680 a sacrifice it is to let alone train for a 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:32.490 marathon, but then seven. And we talked about it 1:09:32.490 --> 1:09:36.120 going into it that there was going to be probably 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:42.840 some difficult conversations, times, et cetera. And we reached some 1:09:42.840 --> 1:09:47.790 of those bits towards the end and I think Becs 1:09:47.790 --> 1:09:52.469 was ready for the race to be done, but we 1:09:53.010 --> 1:09:57.150 were able to continue to find the best balance we 1:09:57.150 --> 1:10:01.560 could once we were getting close to the race 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:06.390 start. And then it's just when you're trying to squeeze 1:10:06.390 --> 1:10:12.090 in a FaceTime between flights and continents and time changes, 1:10:12.090 --> 1:10:16.590 and just to wish Becs good luck and this is 1:10:16.590 --> 1:10:21.330 what it was all for, it's all worth it. So 1:10:22.140 --> 1:10:26.820 yeah, I still can't comprehend. It's not like I'm not 1:10:26.820 --> 1:10:30.240 a runner. I run, I still can't comprehend a 1:10:30.240 --> 1:10:36.390 race of this magnitude. So yeah, still processing it. 1:10:37.410 --> 1:10:44.700 I will never ever comprehend what Becs did and others who 1:10:44.700 --> 1:10:50.729 accomplished that feat, with her others who have done it before 1:10:50.729 --> 1:10:52.890 and since then, it boggles the mind. 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:59.790 It surely does. I have one long run a week 1:10:59.850 --> 1:11:04.140 at the moment and that is circled on the 1:11:04.140 --> 1:11:06.179 calendar each week. I'm just like, all right, I've got 1:11:06.179 --> 1:11:10.200 to build myself up. And that was almost every day 1:11:10.290 --> 1:11:14.700 for what Becs was training, and she was able to 1:11:14.700 --> 1:11:17.610 meet a lot of now close friends through that race 1:11:17.610 --> 1:11:21.330 and everyone has their own story of how they got 1:11:21.330 --> 1:11:25.110 to that start line and to the finish line. So yeah, 1:11:25.170 --> 1:11:27.150 it was quite special. 1:11:28.410 --> 1:11:32.189 I work to inspire even that, but you definitely did 1:11:32.460 --> 1:11:36.420 hold down the fort and allowed me the time on 1:11:36.420 --> 1:11:39.900 my feet, which got me to the finish line. So 1:11:39.929 --> 1:11:42.660 it was a team effort. I want to know though, 1:11:43.229 --> 1:11:46.500 did my training in many ways, seeing as you were 1:11:46.500 --> 1:11:49.740 so close to it first hand, inspire you or change 1:11:49.740 --> 1:11:55.589 your mindset at all going into your current block of training? 1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:58.080 Which is for the London Marathon, right Austin? 1:11:58.320 --> 1:12:02.130 For London, yeah. Which will be the fifth star, 1:12:02.670 --> 1:12:05.070 chasing the sixth and- 1:12:05.309 --> 1:12:05.310 Nice. 1:12:05.310 --> 1:12:11.099 ... a couple more after that. Yeah, it did. I 1:12:11.100 --> 1:12:16.260 think there was always a talk, that the stars conversation 1:12:16.260 --> 1:12:20.280 came quite quickly after I had run Boston, and that 1:12:20.280 --> 1:12:25.350 was my first major. I qualified for that. I ran 1:12:25.350 --> 1:12:31.260 it. It was a terrible year weather- wise, and I had 1:12:31.260 --> 1:12:34.830 heard about the stars, but it was not anything I 1:12:34.830 --> 1:12:40.080 had thought of. And then in 2023, Chicago and New York 1:12:40.080 --> 1:12:44.580 just came up quite quickly and suddenly I was at 1:12:44.580 --> 1:12:47.580 three stars. And then Becs wanted to do Tokyo and 1:12:48.000 --> 1:12:49.830 I wasn't going to go all that way and not 1:12:49.830 --> 1:12:55.050 run. So there was four. So after Tokyo I had 1:12:55.050 --> 1:12:59.910 the idea just based on Tallulah's age, it would be 1:12:59.910 --> 1:13:03.689 nice to run Berlin in the fall of 2024 1:13:03.689 --> 1:13:08.490 and then run London this year. And Tallulah, not that 1:13:08.490 --> 1:13:11.340 her memory is set in stone right now, but she 1:13:11.340 --> 1:13:14.429 would be able to kind of experience, and then also 1:13:14.460 --> 1:13:17.580 knowing Becs connection to the UK, it'd be nice to 1:13:17.580 --> 1:13:21.719 finish in London. And when Becs was training for the 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:29.760 7, 7, 7 I started to go for a few longer runs 1:13:29.760 --> 1:13:31.979 to just see what was in the tank and 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:35.760 just based on our schedules, both also trying to balance 1:13:35.760 --> 1:13:40.350 work too and being parents, I just didn't have that 1:13:40.350 --> 1:13:46.769 fire within me. And so Berlin was kind of scrapped 1:13:47.220 --> 1:13:50.400 for 2024 and just was like, let's just get through Becs' 1:13:50.400 --> 1:13:57.690 race and then I can refocus. But it was quickly reignited 1:13:58.020 --> 1:14:05.219 in Miami, seeing Becs finish with some of her 1:14:05.220 --> 1:14:10.620 friends and just like, " Okay, I want to have that 1:14:10.620 --> 1:14:19.080 feeling again." Because I treat running quite... You learn so 1:14:19.110 --> 1:14:22.590 much about yourself each kind of training block, and I'm 1:14:22.590 --> 1:14:26.400 not one to just line up a multitude of races. 1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:28.590 I kind of like to just sit back for a 1:14:28.590 --> 1:14:31.979 little bit, and London couldn't come at a better 1:14:31.979 --> 1:14:38.339 time. So definitely excited to be in this training cycle. 1:14:40.830 --> 1:14:44.280 Becs is coaching me, which is the first time she's 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:47.820 coached me in a race. So there's that balance, but 1:14:47.820 --> 1:14:53.460 just feeling accomplished after each tough workout and rebuilding again. 1:14:54.300 --> 1:14:58.080 We go through phases of I will give him his 1:14:58.080 --> 1:15:00.630 training plan for the week and he will just 1:15:00.630 --> 1:15:04.380 sit in silence, and especially before the speed workout days, 1:15:04.860 --> 1:15:08.340 I can feel him glaring at me over the counter 1:15:08.340 --> 1:15:11.070 in the kitchen of like, " I don't want to talk 1:15:11.070 --> 1:15:14.040 to you right now because this is a horrible workout." 1:15:14.520 --> 1:15:16.589 And then I can tell whether it's been a good workout or 1:15:16.590 --> 1:15:18.780 not of how quickly he text me after it's done 1:15:18.929 --> 1:15:23.550 and his tone. Like, uh- oh, maybe I should not 1:15:23.550 --> 1:15:26.160 go home for a minute and just let him calm down, 1:15:26.580 --> 1:15:30.570 or it's okay, he really crushed this workout. But 1:15:31.260 --> 1:15:34.679 as we're getting closer, I'm kind of sending him his 1:15:34.679 --> 1:15:35.910 workouts with trepidation. 1:15:37.620 --> 1:15:41.610 What's interesting to me in listening to you guys talk 1:15:41.610 --> 1:15:46.769 about your respective running challenges is the way that you 1:15:46.770 --> 1:15:50.250 do have to support each other in what each of 1:15:50.250 --> 1:15:54.750 you is trying to accomplish. And I think all runners 1:15:54.809 --> 1:15:58.740 who are people with kids and families, if you're out 1:15:58.740 --> 1:16:02.100 there running marathons, whether it's one or you're going 1:16:02.100 --> 1:16:05.820 for the six stars or you're going to next level 1:16:05.820 --> 1:16:09.840 stuff like what Becs did or Ultras or whatever it might 1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:14.670 be, you simply can't do it without some level of 1:16:14.670 --> 1:16:19.710 support. And I've met all the kinds of couples. I've 1:16:19.710 --> 1:16:23.610 met the couples where one is running like crazy and 1:16:23.610 --> 1:16:26.910 the other one doesn't run and doesn't understand why anybody 1:16:26.910 --> 1:16:30.960 would run, which can be challenging because one's like, " 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:33.000 Well what are you doing? Why are you doing this?" Although 1:16:33.180 --> 1:16:36.840 sometimes that works kind of like the, " Hey, whatever keeps 1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:40.889 that person happy and calm makes me happy." Sometimes you've 1:16:40.890 --> 1:16:44.939 got the double runner couple, which you guys obviously are, 1:16:44.939 --> 1:16:48.360 and I think in some ways that's ideal because there's 1:16:48.360 --> 1:16:50.729 an understanding that each of you has as to what 1:16:50.729 --> 1:16:53.700 the other one's trying to do, and that question of 1:16:53.700 --> 1:16:58.410 why maybe doesn't exist because you each understand intuitively the 1:16:58.410 --> 1:17:02.010 why, and it makes it a little easier to support. 1:17:02.010 --> 1:17:04.530 And then you guys are really next level because you're 1:17:04.530 --> 1:17:09.000 not just understanding, but you're coaching, especially Becs, you coaching 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:15.300 Austin, or Austin you supporting Becs at the high level 1:17:15.300 --> 1:17:19.410 given what she had to do in November. So you 1:17:19.410 --> 1:17:21.810 really are in a lot of ways a model. What 1:17:21.810 --> 1:17:24.059 do you think, and I'll ask Austin, since you're our 1:17:24.060 --> 1:17:28.470 guest, I'll ask you, what do you think other couples, other 1:17:29.010 --> 1:17:31.650 sets of partners out there who are trying to 1:17:31.650 --> 1:17:35.700 do these things can take from what you and Becs 1:17:35.700 --> 1:17:38.400 have learned about supporting each other through these races? 1:17:43.080 --> 1:17:45.689 Going back to what you just said about having a 1:17:45.689 --> 1:17:51.210 support system. And I had a specific goal that I 1:17:51.210 --> 1:17:54.090 wanted to hit on a time and I achieved that, 1:17:54.090 --> 1:17:57.330 but I look back at that and you always hold 1:17:57.330 --> 1:17:59.939 a PR close to you and you say, " Will I 1:17:59.939 --> 1:18:04.620 ever hit it again? And my life was very 1:18:04.620 --> 1:18:08.640 different. I was single. I didn't have a dog, I 1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:12.000 could train. Really the only thing in my way was 1:18:12.000 --> 1:18:16.019 work, but I could train whenever I wanted to. And 1:18:16.020 --> 1:18:21.240 our life is much different now. Becs and our relationship, 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:23.700 we have Tallulah, we have two dogs, we both have 1:18:23.700 --> 1:18:28.470 careers that we're trying to build. And more so I 1:18:28.470 --> 1:18:33.000 guess my career, I've stepped away from a typical 9: 1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:37.229 00 to 5:00 job and out on my own. And so you're 1:18:37.229 --> 1:18:40.380 always asking yourself, " I could be working in this time, 1:18:40.380 --> 1:18:44.130 I could be doing this." And there have been runs 1:18:44.130 --> 1:18:48.750 that have been very tough. If Tallulah's a little sick 1:18:48.750 --> 1:18:52.620 or under the weather, just fussy, she's a toddler, to 1:18:52.620 --> 1:18:55.620 just be like, " Becs, you got it? I got to 1:18:55.620 --> 1:18:58.620 go do this." And I know on the same side, 1:18:58.650 --> 1:19:01.170 Becs has had to step out for some runs 1:19:02.550 --> 1:19:10.410 and it's just like, " Yeah, I got it." So advice? What 1:19:10.410 --> 1:19:14.189 works for Becs and I, and I don't know if it's advice 1:19:14.189 --> 1:19:18.210 but it's advice for us is, I know how much 1:19:18.210 --> 1:19:24.269 a workout can change our mindsets and just our energy 1:19:24.270 --> 1:19:27.630 for the day. So getting out there, I know it 1:19:27.900 --> 1:19:31.200 very much fills Becs' cup up. There's been times 1:19:31.200 --> 1:19:32.820 where I've just told her to go for a run. 1:19:32.820 --> 1:19:38.729 I said, " Hey, you need to just go out for 1:19:38.729 --> 1:19:39.149 a run." 1:19:40.919 --> 1:19:45.030 I can imagine what kind of circumstances might've caused you to say 1:19:45.030 --> 1:19:47.820 that. Yeah, just like, " You know what sweetheart, maybe you 1:19:47.820 --> 1:19:49.651 should just go for a run maybe, like now." 1:19:49.651 --> 1:19:56.700 And then I see her Strava or something, it's like 18 mile run, six- 1:19:56.700 --> 1:19:59.159 minute phase. You're just like, " Okay, I think that was a 1:19:59.250 --> 1:20:09.150 good shout on my part." I don't know where 1:20:09.150 --> 1:20:11.760 I came across this bit of information, it was more 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:15.990 related to parenting, but I think we've applied this into 1:20:17.070 --> 1:20:22.350 other aspects of our relationship is, there's days that you're 1:20:22.350 --> 1:20:25.650 going to be at 80% and your partner might be 1:20:25.650 --> 1:20:29.609 at 20%. And there might be days that you're at 1:20:29.670 --> 1:20:32.670 40 and they're at 40. And just to check 1:20:32.670 --> 1:20:36.299 in with each other and see where they're at and 1:20:36.300 --> 1:20:39.180 see what they need. And if you're both at an 1:20:39.180 --> 1:20:44.130 equal level and low, " Hey, how can we get ourselves 1:20:44.130 --> 1:20:47.608 back? How can we get through this next bit?" Whatever, 1:20:47.609 --> 1:20:52.560 it's the afternoon, the day, the week, whatever. So I 1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:58.979 think that helps quite a bit. But yeah, like you 1:20:58.979 --> 1:21:02.250 said, there's relationship set. There's a runner in the 1:21:02.250 --> 1:21:05.850 family and the other person doesn't step on an exercise 1:21:05.850 --> 1:21:08.670 equipment, they get their fix from whether it be watching 1:21:08.670 --> 1:21:16.769 sports or playing sports, et cetera. But balance is certainly 1:21:16.770 --> 1:21:19.830 key for us, I think. 1:21:21.270 --> 1:21:23.309 I think finding out also what helps each other on 1:21:23.310 --> 1:21:26.850 the flip side to recover is key as well. Because 1:21:27.660 --> 1:21:31.170 you know that any strenuous exercise is going to 1:21:31.170 --> 1:21:35.490 take energy from a human. That's just what happens. But 1:21:35.490 --> 1:21:40.108 knowing how each person can come back from that, because 1:21:40.109 --> 1:21:42.150 as you train, you get stronger and you don't maybe 1:21:42.150 --> 1:21:44.189 necessarily need to spend the rest of the afternoon on 1:21:44.189 --> 1:21:47.280 the couch after your long run, which is fine to 1:21:47.280 --> 1:21:50.400 do. But when you have other responsibilities in life, it's 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:55.080 knowing, okay, when Aus comes back from a run, it's, 1:21:55.439 --> 1:21:58.350 I'm going to get his rehydration stuff out and ready. 1:21:58.590 --> 1:22:02.070 The water is poured and there'll be a smoothie... 1:22:02.250 --> 1:22:04.080 If I had made a smoothie for Tallulah and I whilst 1:22:04.080 --> 1:22:06.389 he's out, make sure I've made enough and it's in 1:22:06.390 --> 1:22:09.060 the fridge. And if T and I are out, it's all on a post- 1:22:09.060 --> 1:22:11.580 it note of just like, " Hey babe, I got you. 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:14.280 This is going to help you recover and also help 1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:18.540 you get back onto parenting." In a way, because you 1:22:18.540 --> 1:22:20.700 don't want that guilt. I know I felt that guilt 1:22:20.700 --> 1:22:24.540 a lot and Aus did that for me last year. Was helping 1:22:24.540 --> 1:22:28.170 my recovery, helping my post- run lineup be efficient so 1:22:28.170 --> 1:22:30.000 I could get back to being mom. And I didn't 1:22:30.000 --> 1:22:34.859 have that guilt of extra time rolling through. So 1:22:34.859 --> 1:22:37.890 I think that's a piece of advice. If you have 1:22:38.310 --> 1:22:40.619 dogs and not kids, get the dogs out for a 1:22:40.619 --> 1:22:42.299 walk and then you don't have to worry about them. 1:22:42.300 --> 1:22:44.849 You can go back to being a couple as soon as 1:22:44.850 --> 1:22:47.430 possible after the shower and then that person can get 1:22:47.580 --> 1:22:50.760 in the boots or whatever it is to get their 1:22:50.790 --> 1:22:55.380 recovery going and feeling back to their primary role, whatever 1:22:55.380 --> 1:22:57.061 that may be. But yeah, it's fun. 1:22:57.061 --> 1:22:57.420 No doubt about it. 1:22:57.540 --> 1:22:58.379 It's very fun. 1:22:58.650 --> 1:23:00.840 Recovery is part of the run. It's a big part of 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:04.559 the run. So Austin, let's talk about London. First of 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:09.000 all, excited for you. That's going to be your fifth 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:12.059 star you said. By the way, starting in Boston is 1:23:12.060 --> 1:23:16.590 unusual. That's amazing that you qualify and obviously you're a 1:23:16.590 --> 1:23:21.570 very good runner to start out with a qualifying run in 1:23:21.689 --> 1:23:24.780 Boston as your first star. I think that's the stars 1:23:24.780 --> 1:23:27.720 that are most likely to be the last star someone 1:23:27.720 --> 1:23:29.550 gets, from what I've seen in my travels, and I 1:23:29.550 --> 1:23:31.830 think I've seen the data on this from the 1:23:31.830 --> 1:23:35.580 Abbott World Marathon Majors. Folks are Tokyo and Boston, those 1:23:35.580 --> 1:23:38.849 are the two that people generally struggle to get. So 1:23:38.850 --> 1:23:42.630 you got those in your pocket already. Now you're sweeping 1:23:42.630 --> 1:23:46.530 up the relatively easier ones to get. What is your 1:23:46.530 --> 1:23:48.689 goal in London? Do you have a goal other than 1:23:48.689 --> 1:23:51.570 just to get that star? A PR or anything like 1:23:51.570 --> 1:23:53.159 that in your sights? So how are you thinking about it? 1:23:54.090 --> 1:23:59.970 Yeah, I do have a time kind of goal and 1:23:59.970 --> 1:24:04.650 it's not a PR, it's just I think a pretty solid 1:24:04.650 --> 1:24:10.080 effort. My PR is, I broke three hours, I ran 2: 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:18.090 57 and that's what qualified me for Boston. And I 1:24:18.090 --> 1:24:21.240 would like to think that I can do that again. 1:24:22.590 --> 1:24:29.490 But Chicago, New York and Tokyo were three marathons in, 1:24:30.000 --> 1:24:34.890 it's called six months from 2023 to 2024. And 1:24:35.070 --> 1:24:39.240 I felt a bit broken. Even going into Chicago, I 1:24:39.240 --> 1:24:42.750 was having achilles issues, but I had already had the 1:24:42.750 --> 1:24:47.460 bibs for New York and Tokyo. So at that point 1:24:47.460 --> 1:24:51.929 it was just kind of get through the races. And 1:24:51.930 --> 1:24:55.530 so Chicago, I actually had quite a bit of fun 1:24:55.530 --> 1:24:59.790 in Chicago. It wasn't until about mile 20- ish that 1:24:59.790 --> 1:25:03.629 I had some achilles issues that flared up. And 1:25:03.630 --> 1:25:04.200 then New York- 1:25:04.200 --> 1:25:06.060 Those are tough, by the way, the achilles thing is 1:25:06.060 --> 1:25:08.700 a really tough thing to deal with. 1:25:08.700 --> 1:25:08.701 Very tough. 1:25:08.701 --> 1:25:12.450 I've been lucky never to have had that. It's scary 1:25:12.450 --> 1:25:17.310 because you know that thing goes and you're going to 1:25:17.310 --> 1:25:19.650 be sitting for a long time. 1:25:19.770 --> 1:25:25.470 Yeah. I think the last race I had done before 1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:28.590 Chicago was actually an Ironman, and it was like the 1:25:28.590 --> 1:25:31.619 last two miles I felt my achilles and calf 1:25:32.070 --> 1:25:34.830 kind of starting to, and this wasn't issues I was 1:25:34.830 --> 1:25:37.410 having with my achilles, it was just the end of 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:40.979 a long day, that my body was just trying to say, " 1:25:41.070 --> 1:25:45.810 Yeah, we're done, we want to be done." But going 1:25:45.810 --> 1:25:49.080 into Chicago, I don't know if it was I got 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:51.929 a bib quite late and tried to ramp up my 1:25:51.930 --> 1:25:57.570 mileage a little bit too quickly. Since Tokyo, I've started 1:25:57.570 --> 1:26:00.510 to get back into the gym to do some 1:26:00.510 --> 1:26:09.540 strength training. Again, though, before Tallulah, we were able to 1:26:09.540 --> 1:26:12.059 go to the gym for two, three hours and run 1:26:12.060 --> 1:26:15.060 for an hour and lift for an hour and recover, 1:26:16.770 --> 1:26:23.970 but time is very crucial now. So I think I 1:26:23.970 --> 1:26:26.550 put the gym and the strength training on the back 1:26:26.550 --> 1:26:30.001 burner and I paid for it. So New York 1:26:30.119 --> 1:26:34.830 though was just a fun day celebrating in the city. 1:26:36.210 --> 1:26:39.510 I had a few friends that wanted to run. They 1:26:39.510 --> 1:26:42.090 had a goal time around like 3: 30, and I 1:26:42.090 --> 1:26:45.660 was like, " This is great. This should be a nice 1:26:45.660 --> 1:26:48.570 run." And we came in a little over that, but 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:51.510 just we had so much fun that day. And then 1:26:51.510 --> 1:26:56.400 Tokyo, I was so sick after the holidays in January 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:58.830 and February. I think I had run less than 50 1:26:58.830 --> 1:27:03.030 miles of training total before that race. So that 1:27:03.030 --> 1:27:07.109 was just a tough day and a tough course. We 1:27:08.070 --> 1:27:11.490 were talking about that for a second there in the pre- 1:27:11.490 --> 1:27:13.799 show, but it's a tough course. There's so many out 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:17.220 and backs, its sensory overload. To go- 1:27:17.220 --> 1:27:17.371 The jet lag, everything is hard. 1:27:17.371 --> 1:27:17.372 Yeah, all of it. 1:27:17.372 --> 1:27:22.619 It really is a hard race, for Americans. For people coming from this side of 1:27:22.619 --> 1:27:23.490 the world. Yeah. 1:27:23.970 --> 1:27:29.010 Very much. But then you think someone in that part 1:27:29.010 --> 1:27:30.540 of the world that wants the six stars, they're 1:27:30.540 --> 1:27:33.389 coming over for three races in the US and two 1:27:33.390 --> 1:27:42.420 in Europe. So yeah, but just going into London, I 1:27:42.420 --> 1:27:45.630 wanted to see if I could touch back into some 1:27:45.630 --> 1:27:52.050 of that lower threes. And right now training is going 1:27:52.200 --> 1:27:57.869 pretty well. I think both the coaching has helped tremendously 1:27:58.530 --> 1:28:03.420 from Becs, and then also finding a balance in 1:28:03.420 --> 1:28:07.200 the gym, strength training and also the running. So I'm 1:28:07.200 --> 1:28:12.210 excited to see what London has. It's a city that 1:28:12.210 --> 1:28:14.939 I've grown to really love and spend a lot of 1:28:14.939 --> 1:28:19.979 time in. And from what Becs has shared with me, 1:28:19.979 --> 1:28:22.170 I haven't done too much research on the course, but 1:28:23.189 --> 1:28:26.070 you see a lot. It's a nice sightseeing tour as 1:28:26.070 --> 1:28:31.560 well. So yeah, very excited for London. We have some 1:28:31.560 --> 1:28:34.830 friends that will be running it as well. I think 1:28:34.830 --> 1:28:40.770 my mom is coming out to support, and yeah, Becs 1:28:40.770 --> 1:28:43.740 and Tallulah will be on the sidelines. 1:28:44.430 --> 1:28:47.850 Yeah we will. All right, let's get to the nitty- gritty though. The 1:28:47.850 --> 1:28:52.470 thing that everybody talks about for London and Boston, especially 1:28:52.590 --> 1:28:55.530 over here and in the UK, Europe, is the training 1:28:55.530 --> 1:29:00.570 through winter. So quick fire question. Summer training guy 1:29:00.570 --> 1:29:01.559 or winter training guy? 1:29:01.979 --> 1:29:04.770 Summer. After coming out of this winter, summer training. 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:05.070 Yeah. 1:29:05.369 --> 1:29:08.070 You and me both my friend. Absolutely. 1:29:08.070 --> 1:29:10.948 It is brutal if you don't have access- 1:29:10.948 --> 1:29:11.190 Dark, cold, windy. 1:29:11.190 --> 1:29:15.479 ... to a treadmill, it's terrible. Yeah, daylight hours are 1:29:15.479 --> 1:29:20.670 minimal. It's tough. And I think going into these spring 1:29:20.670 --> 1:29:25.559 races, that is an extra element of congratulatory love to 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:29.130 send to all of our runners going into London and 1:29:29.130 --> 1:29:31.439 Boston this year. But you mentioned earlier you ran 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:34.920 Boston in the famous year that the weather took a 1:29:35.070 --> 1:29:39.780 drastic turn for the worst. So you finished it. There 1:29:39.780 --> 1:29:44.490 were some very notable elite runners who bailed on the 1:29:44.490 --> 1:29:47.640 day, understandably so. Their careers are kind of on the 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:50.220 line and they didn't want to get sick ahead of 1:29:50.220 --> 1:29:54.450 certain things. But you and a friend battled the elements 1:29:54.900 --> 1:29:59.490 all the way. All the to Boston and finished like a 1:29:59.490 --> 1:30:03.509 pair of drowned rats, but looking lovely. But what 1:30:03.510 --> 1:30:08.340 advice would you give to anyone, because at this point 1:30:08.340 --> 1:30:10.410 of recording, we're a long way from both races, so we 1:30:10.410 --> 1:30:14.160 can't really see the weather forecast. What advice would you 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:17.100 give to anyone who's running London or Boston and the 1:30:17.100 --> 1:30:19.380 weather may take a turn, what would you say? 1:30:21.540 --> 1:30:25.380 I would say experiencing Boston that year, I think it 1:30:25.380 --> 1:30:30.000 was 2019, 2018 maybe. But yeah, the famous year of just 1:30:30.000 --> 1:30:35.640 brutal weather. And at that time, I really didn't 1:30:35.640 --> 1:30:38.729 know how much of a privilege it was to run 1:30:38.729 --> 1:30:41.939 Boston and the six stars, it being like most people's 1:30:41.939 --> 1:30:46.350 last, that or Tokyo. What I did know and felt was 1:30:47.010 --> 1:30:53.220 this was a few years past the bombings and the 1:30:53.820 --> 1:31:00.870 terrible finish line, there was this sense of community 1:31:00.900 --> 1:31:05.910 and a privilege to run it. So the Boston Strong 1:31:05.910 --> 1:31:09.300 motto just kind of resonated quite well. And I think 1:31:09.300 --> 1:31:14.430 that going into London, if the weather's poor, really just 1:31:14.460 --> 1:31:16.470 what a privilege it is to be able to run 1:31:17.430 --> 1:31:22.500 one of the six majors. And at that time, I 1:31:22.979 --> 1:31:27.090 just kind of threw out any goals or expectations for 1:31:27.090 --> 1:31:29.010 the race. It was more of just, " Hey, this is 1:31:29.010 --> 1:31:30.390 going to be a run to the finish line." 1:31:30.390 --> 1:31:35.130 And I still ended up having a great day despite 1:31:35.130 --> 1:31:39.120 the weather. Duct taping on shoes and just kind of 1:31:39.270 --> 1:31:43.140 lowered the head and battled the winds and rains. So 1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:48.930 it was a very tough day in Boston that day, 1:31:48.930 --> 1:31:52.110 but I mean, winter training kind of gets you through 1:31:53.189 --> 1:31:56.790 and preps you the most for I think some of 1:31:56.790 --> 1:32:00.001 these spring races because there are plenty of cold. 1:32:00.960 --> 1:32:04.920 The wind in New York recently has been crazy strong. 1:32:05.850 --> 1:32:08.520 You either have a nice tailwind going up or back, 1:32:09.420 --> 1:32:11.400 but at one point you're going to have to face 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:15.510 it. So I think going into London, yeah, it's just like, " All right, 1:32:15.510 --> 1:32:20.490 I've been through this with the training." So just tapping 1:32:20.490 --> 1:32:21.330 back into that. 1:32:22.260 --> 1:32:25.439 What the winter training does not always prepare you that 1:32:25.439 --> 1:32:30.000 well for is a 70 degree day, which is what 1:32:30.000 --> 1:32:33.960 we had in Tokyo. And you never know, you 1:32:33.960 --> 1:32:37.349 could certainly have in London. It's not known for warm, 1:32:37.740 --> 1:32:41.580 sunny days per se, especially not in April. But I 1:32:42.570 --> 1:32:45.059 feel like in London you could get three seasons in 1:32:45.060 --> 1:32:47.729 one race. I feel like that's the thing about London. 1:32:47.729 --> 1:32:47.969 Totally. 1:32:49.020 --> 1:32:51.930 You could get a beautiful spring day and a cold winter 1:32:51.930 --> 1:32:55.140 day and a rainy day all in the same race. 1:32:55.470 --> 1:32:57.780 I agree. I will actually say the same for Boston. 1:32:57.780 --> 1:33:02.431 The year I ran Boston, which was 2019, I 1:33:02.640 --> 1:33:03.391 woke up to- 1:33:03.391 --> 1:33:05.759 ... I woke up to ... So yours is 2018, because 1:33:05.760 --> 1:33:10.320 I remember waking up and seeing literally sideways rain out 1:33:10.320 --> 1:33:12.660 the window and being like, " Oh, no, it's going to 1:33:12.660 --> 1:33:14.460 be the same as it was last year, this is 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:18.780 awful." I left my aunt's house head- to- toe in 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:24.000 bin bags, covered, and I had my spare pair of 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:28.050 shoes and my spare pair of socks bundled up inside. 1:33:28.710 --> 1:33:31.110 I was prepared for everything. By the time we 1:33:31.110 --> 1:33:35.130 started that race, it had dried, the rain had stopped, 1:33:35.130 --> 1:33:37.559 but it was still wet underfoot. By the time we 1:33:37.560 --> 1:33:40.290 finished, I finished that race and then the continuation of 1:33:40.290 --> 1:33:44.220 that day, Rob, it got to mid- sixties in Boston, 1:33:44.220 --> 1:33:47.639 so it really was multi seasons in the day for 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:52.020 Boston too. So it can be just this wild experience 1:33:52.020 --> 1:33:57.389 of waking up with dread and finishing with dehydration. Don't 1:33:57.390 --> 1:34:01.979 do that though, everyone. But yeah, London's going to 1:34:01.979 --> 1:34:07.410 be very interesting I think. Let's talk a little bit 1:34:07.410 --> 1:34:15.090 about your running journey. So obviously having come from hockey 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:20.520 to Ironman to running marathons, just road running, is there 1:34:21.270 --> 1:34:24.209 a part of you that after you complete the six 1:34:24.209 --> 1:34:26.370 stars, whenever that happens, do you think you're going to 1:34:26.370 --> 1:34:29.069 return to Ironman training or something else? 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:35.849 Something else seems like a loaded question there. Should 1:34:35.850 --> 1:34:36.180 I be? No, yeah- 1:34:37.530 --> 1:34:39.570 Yeah, I signed you up for The Great World Race. 1:34:40.020 --> 1:34:46.709 Yeah. We actually have a handshake agreement, and you heard 1:34:46.709 --> 1:34:48.121 it here first. What was it we made? 1:34:48.121 --> 1:34:48.331 I don't remember. 1:34:51.000 --> 1:34:54.150 I would do the Great World Race if you did 1:34:54.150 --> 1:34:55.291 a triathlon, it was something ... 1:34:55.291 --> 1:34:57.870 It was the other way round. I said if you do the Great 1:34:57.870 --> 1:34:58.320 World Race, I will do a triathlon. 1:34:59.820 --> 1:35:00.000 Really? 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:02.431 Yeah, something like that, like an Ironman. 1:35:02.431 --> 1:35:03.960 I think I'm pretty safe. 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:08.310 I was going to say, after watching Becs do it, Austin, 1:35:09.090 --> 1:35:12.540 is there a chance this could happen or maybe zero chance? 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:16.680 Yeah, she would say zero, I'd say about 5%. 1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:16.830 I am so ... 1:35:16.830 --> 1:35:21.780 In the famous words of, I believe it was Jim 1:35:21.780 --> 1:35:24.990 Carrey in Dumb and Dumber, so you're saying there's a chance. 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:25.860 Yes. 1:35:28.110 --> 1:35:28.111 Terrible, terrible. 1:35:28.110 --> 1:35:33.000 So the six stars is obviously ... it became a 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:40.530 reality like 2023 and it looks like I'll be on 1:35:40.530 --> 1:35:45.960 track to finish within possibly this year with Berlin in 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:53.280 the fall. Iron Man? Yeah, I would like to do 1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:55.650 another one. I think there's a goal time that I 1:35:55.650 --> 1:35:58.889 have that I was quite close on the last one. 1:36:00.000 --> 1:36:06.629 And it was also before Tallulah. The training for 1:36:06.630 --> 1:36:13.620 that is just so much time. The efforts, I'd be 1:36:13.620 --> 1:36:17.549 very ... Becs is about to start training for her next 1:36:17.550 --> 1:36:22.200 race. And she went from training just endurance. I was 1:36:22.200 --> 1:36:24.629 actually her coach on some of those long runs to 1:36:24.630 --> 1:36:29.340 slow her up actually for pace to just time on 1:36:29.340 --> 1:36:32.820 feet to now touching back into speed. And I 1:36:32.820 --> 1:36:37.200 think that's when, when you're training for a marathon and 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:39.450 you do have a goal time, you are doing speed 1:36:39.450 --> 1:36:44.160 workouts. And they're tough workouts. It's putting you quite uncomfortable. 1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:48.059 Where with an Ironman, I know a lot of athletes 1:36:48.060 --> 1:36:52.680 do have crazy goal times, and some of the times 1:36:52.680 --> 1:36:56.580 I can't even fathom how they are doing that for 1:36:56.580 --> 1:36:58.170 nine hours or eight hours. 1:36:58.170 --> 1:36:59.820 How long it would take me to swim it. 1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:04.979 But it's really just, for how I take it 1:37:04.979 --> 1:37:08.729 is, it's really just endurance, the time on feet, quote, 1:37:08.729 --> 1:37:12.839 unquote, that Becs experienced for The Great World Race. And 1:37:13.740 --> 1:37:17.279 yeah, I'm enjoying this process right now, training for a 1:37:17.279 --> 1:37:21.270 marathon. I think it's a really good balance of having 1:37:22.560 --> 1:37:27.240 time for our relationship, to be a parent, to do 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:31.740 other things outside of fitness. And Ironman is a 1:37:31.740 --> 1:37:37.620 bit time- consuming. So yeah, right now I'm focused on 1:37:37.620 --> 1:37:41.189 just getting these two done. I hit a goal ton 1:37:41.310 --> 1:37:44.370 in the marathon, I'm happy with that. If I never 1:37:44.370 --> 1:37:47.460 hit it again, I'm like, cool, that's what I set 1:37:47.460 --> 1:37:47.641 out to do. 1:37:47.641 --> 1:37:51.990 Sub three hours, which was ... What was the exact time? 1:37:52.470 --> 1:37:54.600 2: 57 and some change. 1:37:54.839 --> 1:37:55.589 And that was where? 1:37:56.279 --> 1:37:57.870 It was the New Jersey marathon. 1:37:58.529 --> 1:38:00.000 Jersey City, okay, good one. 1:38:00.000 --> 1:38:03.570 Not Jersey City, it was in Asbury Park. 1:38:03.630 --> 1:38:05.250 Asbury Park, okay, cool. 1:38:05.279 --> 1:38:09.778 So it was a small race. I worked with the pacing group. It 1:38:09.779 --> 1:38:14.400 was just maybe 300 runners, maybe a little bit more, 1:38:14.400 --> 1:38:15.031 but it wasn't a big race. 1:38:15.031 --> 1:38:18.420 Amazing, amazing. Lots of space. Yeah, well, that can make it easier, space to 1:38:18.420 --> 1:38:19.380 run. Absolutely. 1:38:19.500 --> 1:38:24.510 Exactly. And that was a springtime race. So yeah, right 1:38:24.510 --> 1:38:30.000 now just the goals are set on the two marathons. 1:38:30.000 --> 1:38:34.920 I would love to get back into some ice 1:38:34.920 --> 1:38:40.260 hockey at some point. Not necessarily playing, but coaching to 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:44.370 some level, quite difficult in New York, but that would 1:38:44.370 --> 1:38:48.300 be something down the road. But right now it's just 1:38:48.570 --> 1:38:54.750 trying to just enjoy each race. That's how I look 1:38:54.750 --> 1:38:55.050 at it. 1:38:55.560 --> 1:38:59.639 Well, I am of course the CEO of New York 1:38:59.640 --> 1:39:02.220 Road Runners, and so I will always say, and 1:39:02.220 --> 1:39:05.430 I'm also a native New Yorker, that the TCS New 1:39:05.430 --> 1:39:08.401 York City Marathon is the greatest marathon in the world. 1:39:08.401 --> 1:39:08.791 Absolutely. 1:39:09.360 --> 1:39:12.990 That said, with respect to all of our colleagues at 1:39:12.990 --> 1:39:18.000 the other majors, I generally believe, and I haven't run 1:39:18.000 --> 1:39:19.890 it yet, but I've been there, I've experienced it, I've 1:39:19.890 --> 1:39:23.339 talked to so many six star finishers, the one that 1:39:23.339 --> 1:39:27.930 is closest to New York in terms of the experience, 1:39:28.170 --> 1:39:34.140 the environment, the crowds, the energy, the feel, all 1:39:34.140 --> 1:39:38.100 of the things that make New York special is definitely 1:39:38.100 --> 1:39:42.720 London. I think London has that passion in the community 1:39:42.720 --> 1:39:49.469 for the event, the crowds are massive. And then the 1:39:49.470 --> 1:39:54.660 route and that incredible spectacular finish in the shadow of 1:39:54.660 --> 1:39:59.700 Buckingham Palace, nobody else can offer that obviously. It's a 1:39:59.700 --> 1:40:03.390 really special one. So I think you're going to 1:40:03.390 --> 1:40:05.370 have a great time. What are you most looking forward 1:40:05.370 --> 1:40:08.700 to in terms of going over there, being in London 1:40:08.700 --> 1:40:10.650 and running that race, is it the race? Is it 1:40:10.979 --> 1:40:13.380 just being over there? What are you most excited about? 1:40:15.600 --> 1:40:15.811 Right now I think it's- 1:40:15.811 --> 1:40:15.812 Seeing Becs in her native element? 1:40:15.812 --> 1:40:26.729 No, I think having a good run, honestly, this is maybe a little 1:40:26.729 --> 1:40:30.631 bit taboo to say, but the beer afterwards with the friends. 1:40:30.631 --> 1:40:30.632 The hot beer. 1:40:30.632 --> 1:40:37.470 Yeah, the lukewarm beer that London serves. 1:40:38.400 --> 1:40:42.809 Not taboo at all by the way, the beer I had in Tokyo was epic. 1:40:43.290 --> 1:40:47.849 Yeah, I mean, the funniest thing, the first marathon I 1:40:47.850 --> 1:40:50.550 ever did was the Philly marathon, and my friends had 1:40:50.550 --> 1:40:53.880 run it the year before, and they were like, there's 1:40:53.880 --> 1:40:58.500 an out and back along Kelly Drive that turns around 1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:02.340 in a little town called Manayunk, which is a 1:41:02.340 --> 1:41:08.670 very post- college grad area to live. So there's a 1:41:08.670 --> 1:41:12.389 lot of bars and it gets a bit rowdy there. 1:41:12.390 --> 1:41:15.510 And I remember them saying that they had a beer, 1:41:15.689 --> 1:41:19.350 they were giving out beer on the course at the 1:41:19.350 --> 1:41:21.479 turnaround. And so the next year I was running it 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:24.780 with my twin sister. And I was like, " I'm going to have 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:30.001 a beer at the turnaround." And I remember passing 1:41:30.180 --> 1:41:32.189 that booth and just the smell of beer at that 1:41:32.189 --> 1:41:36.270 point I was just like, no way would I ever 1:41:36.270 --> 1:41:41.040 think of that. It's not until you're done, that post 1:41:41.850 --> 1:41:48.059 drink celebratory feeling hit. So yeah, I have some good 1:41:48.059 --> 1:41:51.960 friends, Becs and I have some good friends in London. Two of them are 1:41:51.960 --> 1:41:57.000 running. And we've got some plans afterwards. I don't know, 1:41:58.200 --> 1:42:00.001 where are we going, Becs, there was some pub 1:42:00.300 --> 1:42:01.410 or something that they- 1:42:01.410 --> 1:42:03.270 I'm not putting that out there on this thing. 1:42:05.000 --> 1:42:05.001 (inaudible) 1:42:04.530 --> 1:42:08.640 Oh, there's lots of pubs. Saying you'll be in a pub 1:42:08.640 --> 1:42:09.331 in London is like, there's no way. 1:42:09.331 --> 1:42:09.332 We'll be south of the river. 1:42:09.332 --> 1:42:17.099 It'll be like, the Blue Crow Door and you look it up 1:42:17.100 --> 1:42:17.939 on Google Maps and there's 15. 1:42:17.939 --> 1:42:18.960 The Red Lion, there's a hundred Red Lions. 1:42:19.530 --> 1:42:22.050 Yeah, The Red Lion, there's just a hundred of them. You're like, " 1:42:22.050 --> 1:42:26.939 Which owner?" But yeah, we'll see some friends after. One 1:42:26.939 --> 1:42:30.689 of them, he actually just had a newborn that's 1:42:30.689 --> 1:42:33.900 almost, not a newborn, she's almost a year old, so 1:42:34.439 --> 1:42:36.271 we'll get to meet her. Yeah, so will be fun. 1:42:36.271 --> 1:42:36.361 The dad's running. 1:42:37.470 --> 1:42:40.860 Yeah, the dad's running. But yeah, to take it in, 1:42:40.860 --> 1:42:44.520 I think New York is ... I've lived in New York 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:47.850 now for 12 years. And just each neighborhood you run 1:42:47.850 --> 1:42:52.019 through, you almost run through different chapters of your life 1:42:52.020 --> 1:42:56.670 if you've spent that much time here and experience it. 1:42:56.670 --> 1:42:59.610 And I'm sure the same, I won't have the exact 1:42:59.610 --> 1:43:03.570 same connections running through London, but I'm sure you 1:43:03.570 --> 1:43:07.170 get that sense. If you're not from New York and 1:43:07.170 --> 1:43:11.400 run New York marathon, you see the different neighborhoods and 1:43:12.030 --> 1:43:15.510 can piece together what that is. So yeah, I'm excited 1:43:15.510 --> 1:43:17.309 for London very much. 1:43:17.309 --> 1:43:20.280 It is a good one for seeing different parts, same as 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:24.839 Boston. There's Boston central where you finish, London central where 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:28.050 you finish. But because they're point to point races, you 1:43:28.050 --> 1:43:30.001 do get to see parts of London that maybe 1:43:30.270 --> 1:43:32.670 as a first time tourist visitor, maybe even a second 1:43:32.670 --> 1:43:35.970 time tourist visitor, you don't go to. Going down to 1:43:35.970 --> 1:43:39.839 Greenwich is a trek. The park is beautiful, but not 1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:41.850 everybody goes there on their first and maybe even second 1:43:41.850 --> 1:43:44.429 trip to London. But starting there and then winding through 1:43:44.429 --> 1:43:48.120 those really cute little villages into the city and then 1:43:48.120 --> 1:43:51.300 back out to Canary Wharf, which is our extended financial 1:43:51.300 --> 1:43:54.689 district in London, you get to see so much more 1:43:54.689 --> 1:43:58.080 of this cool city. And the big mixture that I 1:43:58.080 --> 1:44:00.240 love the most about the route in London is the 1:44:00.240 --> 1:44:02.010 old and the new. So when you get to see 1:44:02.010 --> 1:44:10.320 Canary Wharf, is so new compared to Blackfriars and the areas 1:44:10.320 --> 1:44:12.660 that you run through on the last let's say five 1:44:12.660 --> 1:44:16.439 miles of the race are so old and historic. You're running 1:44:16.439 --> 1:44:18.840 alongside the Embankment with Big Ben and the Houses of 1:44:18.840 --> 1:44:22.170 Parliament in front of you. As Rob said, finishing at 1:44:23.189 --> 1:44:26.460 Buckingham Palace where the king will be waving you on. 1:44:29.850 --> 1:44:32.280 It's such a magical place. I hope it's sunny 1:44:32.280 --> 1:44:38.790 because the year I ran London, which was 2016, oh 1:44:38.790 --> 1:44:42.570 my gosh, 2016, so long ago, and it was a spring 1:44:42.570 --> 1:44:46.110 day and there was crocuses and little flowers all over the 1:44:46.110 --> 1:44:48.570 park. And it was such a beautiful place to start 1:44:48.750 --> 1:44:51.750 that being from the UK, I hope that you get 1:44:51.750 --> 1:44:52.110 to see that. 1:44:52.979 --> 1:44:58.050 Yeah, and you may have a different opinion on this, but 1:44:58.650 --> 1:45:02.400 when we've spent our time in London, it's quite 1:45:02.400 --> 1:45:05.790 a hard city to run in. Whereas New York, you've 1:45:05.790 --> 1:45:09.509 got a lot of different running paths in Brooklyn, Manhattan, 1:45:09.510 --> 1:45:14.189 you've got Central Park, you've got Prospect Park. There's so 1:45:14.189 --> 1:45:16.710 many different routes you can take if you need to 1:45:16.710 --> 1:45:23.639 go for a longer run. Where London is ... I've enjoyed 1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:27.630 some of our runs, but it's always stop- start. Hyde 1:45:27.630 --> 1:45:30.991 Park's not a huge park. 1:45:30.991 --> 1:45:30.992 Not that big. 1:45:30.992 --> 1:45:30.993 It's big but it's not that big. 1:45:30.993 --> 1:45:33.058 Hyde Park is big, but it's not Central Park, you can't 1:45:33.059 --> 1:45:34.411 run a six- mile loop in Hyde Park. 1:45:34.411 --> 1:45:34.531 Exactly. Yeah. 1:45:36.990 --> 1:45:41.880 Tokyo is worse. Tokyo, there's nowhere to run in Tokyo. 1:45:41.880 --> 1:45:44.460 You can go run that loop around the palace. 1:45:44.880 --> 1:45:45.271 But that's it. It was 5K. 1:45:45.271 --> 1:45:48.660 That's a couple of miles, but otherwise you're just out 1:45:48.660 --> 1:45:51.900 in the streets. People don't, I think they do, but 1:45:51.900 --> 1:45:55.229 if you don't, if you're a New Yorker and if 1:45:55.229 --> 1:45:57.780 you're listening to this podcast, you're probably part of the New 1:45:57.780 --> 1:46:01.260 York runners community, how lucky we are in New 1:46:01.260 --> 1:46:05.700 York City to have both Central Park and the routes 1:46:05.700 --> 1:46:08.610 that we have along the waterfronts. I think next to 1:46:08.610 --> 1:46:12.809 Boston or along with Boston, these are the great places 1:46:12.809 --> 1:46:15.420 to run. Chicago too, along the lake front. We've got 1:46:15.420 --> 1:46:19.769 great places to run in these big running cities in 1:46:19.770 --> 1:46:22.530 the United States. And that just doesn't exist in a 1:46:22.530 --> 1:46:23.820 lot of these other places. 1:46:24.270 --> 1:46:26.850 Yeah, you could go from the tip of Manhattan up 1:46:26.850 --> 1:46:30.870 to the George Washington Bridge uninterrupted on the path. 1:46:31.198 --> 1:46:33.270 And that's, what, 16 miles? 1:46:33.270 --> 1:46:38.011 It sounds about right. I don't know. Maybe 12. 1:46:38.011 --> 1:46:38.012 12. 1:46:38.012 --> 1:46:38.282 12. Okay. Yeah. 1:46:38.820 --> 1:46:41.340 I was saying 11 or 12, yeah. But yeah, you can do 1:46:41.340 --> 1:46:44.340 your whole long run just up and down the west 1:46:44.340 --> 1:46:46.801 side, absolutely, and be on the water the entire time. 1:46:46.801 --> 1:46:49.860 Yeah, if you want to cut in, you can cut into Central Park in a number 1:46:49.860 --> 1:46:52.740 of different levels, you've got the bridge. 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:53.519 Yeah, we're spoiled. 1:46:54.720 --> 1:46:59.130 We're very spoiled to be able to ... We looked at a 1:46:59.130 --> 1:47:03.299 house that was a little bit further into Brooklyn. 1:47:03.300 --> 1:47:06.480 And one of the things that I mentioned was just, 1:47:06.689 --> 1:47:10.000 hey, this is now a three- mile just to get to ... 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:10.140 (inaudible) Park. 1:47:11.100 --> 1:47:15.330 That's unheard of in New York because if you live 1:47:15.330 --> 1:47:19.229 in Manhattan, I think the widest part of the city 1:47:19.229 --> 1:47:21.990 is two and a half miles. So if you live 1:47:21.990 --> 1:47:22.110 in the- 1:47:22.110 --> 1:47:23.820 That's right, just under three miles that's right. 1:47:23.850 --> 1:47:26.729 You are less than a mile and a half to 1:47:26.970 --> 1:47:29.429 at least the east or the west side and then 1:47:29.430 --> 1:47:30.420 you can start your run. 1:47:30.420 --> 1:47:30.630 That's right. 1:47:31.920 --> 1:47:34.860 When we travel to different cities, it's just like, oh, 1:47:34.890 --> 1:47:37.110 okay, this is the only path I can run on. 1:47:37.770 --> 1:47:37.771 Yeah, it's a great, great running city. 1:47:37.771 --> 1:47:41.670 So yeah, we're very spoiled. I'm excited to run through 1:47:41.670 --> 1:47:47.370 London and just have the streets closed down and just 1:47:47.370 --> 1:47:49.170 have a fun day. 1:47:49.170 --> 1:47:51.360 Hear all those Londoners cheering you on. 1:47:51.600 --> 1:47:56.669 That's right. And those lovely, lovely accents. Okay, Austin, so 1:47:57.300 --> 1:47:59.430 let's get down to business here. So you're going to 1:47:59.430 --> 1:48:04.830 get your fifth star in London. Berlin, you almost 1:48:04.830 --> 1:48:07.921 ran once, decided not to do it, that's going to be- 1:48:07.921 --> 1:48:11.490 We ended up going on a beach holiday instead. Let's be honest, Austin, I said 1:48:11.490 --> 1:48:16.590 to you, you can run Berlin or we can go to the Cayman Islands for a really nice beach 1:48:16.590 --> 1:48:18.930 weekend holiday. And he was like, "Oh, I'll take the Cayman Islands." 1:48:19.500 --> 1:48:24.360 I can't exactly blame him on that choice, but okay, 1:48:25.200 --> 1:48:27.151 either work really hard and run 26. 2 miles- 1:48:27.150 --> 1:48:27.151 She called me out. 1:48:27.151 --> 1:48:30.660 Or have a pina colada on the beach. It's a 1:48:30.660 --> 1:48:34.740 very understandable choice that you made there, Austin. But now 1:48:34.740 --> 1:48:38.339 with only this one star remaining, it's going to be 1:48:38.340 --> 1:48:41.850 sitting there waiting for you. How would you like to 1:48:41.850 --> 1:48:46.019 run the BMW Berlin Marathon this fall, would that be 1:48:46.020 --> 1:48:47.160 something that would interest you? 1:48:47.729 --> 1:48:48.660 I would love to. 1:48:49.140 --> 1:48:52.979 Well, I think that we can make that happen for you, Austin. In fact, 1:48:53.700 --> 1:48:56.370 we are going to make that happen for you. Assuming 1:48:56.370 --> 1:49:00.001 you actually finish in London. We're going to ... If 1:49:00.120 --> 1:49:04.710 you don't finish, then the deal's off. But we're going 1:49:04.710 --> 1:49:10.890 to hand you a bib for the BMW Berlin Marathon 1:49:10.920 --> 1:49:15.360 this fall, 2025, through our relationship with them through Abbott 1:49:15.360 --> 1:49:18.120 World Marathon Majors. We're fortunate to have some. And we 1:49:18.120 --> 1:49:22.049 are pleased to present you that opportunity to run. So 1:49:22.050 --> 1:49:24.150 what do you think about that? No Cayman Islands this 1:49:24.150 --> 1:49:24.780 year. What do you think? 1:49:24.780 --> 1:49:29.280 No Cayman Islands this year. Sorry, Becs. One, greatly, greatly 1:49:29.280 --> 1:49:32.490 appreciated. Thank you so much for making that happen 1:49:32.490 --> 1:49:39.510 to you, Becs and the New York Road Runners team. Yeah, that 1:49:39.510 --> 1:49:43.140 will round it out and finish things up on the 1:49:43.140 --> 1:49:47.280 six stars. So a little speechless, thank you. 1:49:47.550 --> 1:49:51.509 I promise you we will go to a European island after 1:49:51.510 --> 1:49:52.559 for a vacation. 1:49:53.460 --> 1:49:54.961 I think that will be deserved, I think that will be deserved. 1:49:54.961 --> 1:49:59.610 Fair enough. I will be enjoying the summer training very much. 1:50:00.000 --> 1:50:03.179 Yeah, I've been there and done that, and it's 1:50:03.180 --> 1:50:07.710 nice, the long days, so much opportunity to run. Yeah, 1:50:07.710 --> 1:50:10.108 that should give you a little extra motivation as you 1:50:10.109 --> 1:50:13.019 get ready for London and course your way through that 1:50:13.020 --> 1:50:16.439 race knowing that that six star is there for you 1:50:16.439 --> 1:50:19.619 if you want it this September. And we know you 1:50:19.619 --> 1:50:23.670 do. So wish you all the best getting ready for 1:50:23.700 --> 1:50:27.420 London and for your day there. And it's always great 1:50:27.420 --> 1:50:29.820 to have you and get a little look inside the world of 1:50:30.000 --> 1:50:33.300 Becs Gentry other than what she does on Peloton 1:50:33.300 --> 1:50:36.179 and in our podcast, the man who is behind all that. 1:50:36.179 --> 1:50:41.550 Rob, if you want me back for the third time, you and I can 1:50:41.550 --> 1:50:42.839 just do one. 1:50:42.840 --> 1:50:44.609 Edge me out. Edge me out. 1:50:44.609 --> 1:50:47.370 I like that, we can just talk about Becs on a show, 1:50:47.970 --> 1:50:48.781 I think that's a great idea. 1:50:48.780 --> 1:50:52.769 Not allowed, not allowed, no, vetoed. 1:50:55.320 --> 1:50:58.680 Austin, great to see you, good luck in London. 1:50:59.160 --> 1:50:59.820 You as well. 1:51:00.000 --> 1:51:16.229 Thank you. Teresita Gonzalez took up running in 2018 1:51:16.229 --> 1:51:20.340 and soon after her brother Luis followed suit. Then after 1:51:20.340 --> 1:51:23.430 many years sitting in the grandstands watching her two children 1:51:23.430 --> 1:51:27.030 run the marathon, their mother decided to lace up herself, 1:51:27.060 --> 1:51:30.000 completing her first New York City Marathon at the age 1:51:30.000 --> 1:51:33.689 of 65. But it doesn't stop there, keep your 1:51:33.689 --> 1:51:36.960 eyes out for this coming November 2nd, because in this 1:51:36.960 --> 1:51:41.850 year's 2025 TCS New York City Marathon, the Gonzalez family will 1:51:41.850 --> 1:51:46.979 be all in. Teresita, Luis, their mother and their youngest 1:51:46.979 --> 1:51:51.359 sister will all be on the start line together. Teresita 1:51:51.359 --> 1:51:53.639 and Luis are here with us today to talk about 1:51:53.640 --> 1:51:58.108 running, family and their upcoming spring marathons. Take it away, Meb. 1:51:58.740 --> 1:52:02.880 Thanks Rob. Teresita, looking at your race history, it 1:52:02.880 --> 1:52:05.460 seems like you were the first in the family to start 1:52:05.460 --> 1:52:09.510 running back in 2018, what got you started? 1:52:10.379 --> 1:52:13.680 Some health issues that arose in 2017, I decided to 1:52:13.680 --> 1:52:18.630 do a 5K. After liking my 5K, I decided to 1:52:18.630 --> 1:52:21.540 venture off onto the New York City Marathon website, and 1:52:21.540 --> 1:52:24.210 I saw that I could run the New York City Marathon 1:52:24.600 --> 1:52:29.160 in 2018. I discovered Team for Kids, and I ran 1:52:29.160 --> 1:52:31.650 my first New York City Marathon in 2018. We 1:52:31.650 --> 1:52:33.330 were fundraising for a wonderful cause. 1:52:33.960 --> 1:52:38.608 Awesome, Teresita. And you have your brother, Luis. Was it 1:52:38.609 --> 1:52:41.910 Teresita, Luis, who inspired you to start running or was 1:52:41.910 --> 1:52:43.470 there another moment that pulled you in? 1:52:44.729 --> 1:52:49.229 I grew up playing soccer, so I think she was 1:52:49.229 --> 1:52:53.519 the catalyst behind the decision. We did try to do 1:52:53.520 --> 1:52:56.070 a 9+ 1 one year, I think the year before 1:52:56.070 --> 1:52:58.889 COVID. So I was in line to run the marathon that 1:52:58.890 --> 1:53:03.000 following year. But then one night we stayed out 1:53:03.000 --> 1:53:05.520 too late and I missed one of my races the 1:53:05.520 --> 1:53:09.000 next morning. And so then I had to wait until 1:53:09.390 --> 1:53:12.930 the year after and because I didn't have my 9+ 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:14.910 1, the only way I could sign up to run 1:53:14.910 --> 1:53:17.400 the New York City Marathon was fundraising through Team for 1:53:17.400 --> 1:53:19.858 Kids. So that's how it all came together. 1:53:20.280 --> 1:53:22.740 So sports has been part of your family. I love 1:53:22.740 --> 1:53:25.799 soccer as well. But your mother's story is incredible. She 1:53:25.800 --> 1:53:30.000 went from watching you race to running a marathon at 65. 1:53:30.000 --> 1:53:32.939 What was it like crossing that finish line with 1:53:32.939 --> 1:53:34.619 your 65- year- old mother? 1:53:35.189 --> 1:53:37.559 We grew up on the course, we grew up on 1:53:37.560 --> 1:53:42.450 Fourth Avenue, so every year the marathon was always the first 1:53:42.450 --> 1:53:45.390 Sunday in November, it was always around my birthday. So 1:53:45.390 --> 1:53:47.280 it was always a good thing to go just run 1:53:47.280 --> 1:53:49.650 up the street and see all the runners, get the 1:53:49.650 --> 1:53:54.570 high five, just putting your hand out, just watching everybody 1:53:54.570 --> 1:53:57.869 run. And in my head I'm always like, these people are 1:53:57.869 --> 1:54:01.620 crazy, 26 miles, I would never do this. And 1:54:01.620 --> 1:54:05.160 then you fast- forward 20 years later, there I am 1:54:06.210 --> 1:54:07.920 lining up at the start line. 1:54:08.580 --> 1:54:12.000 What's your perspective, Teresita, on your finish with your mother? 1:54:12.659 --> 1:54:15.599 It was emotional, I had a little bit more experience 1:54:15.600 --> 1:54:17.580 with my mom because I was helping her train. I 1:54:17.580 --> 1:54:21.570 decided to take back my running season that year to 1:54:21.570 --> 1:54:25.890 help her through the run, walking segments, help train her. 1:54:25.890 --> 1:54:28.560 That way she felt comfortable. And being able to see 1:54:28.560 --> 1:54:32.040 firsthand the emotional and physical wellbeing that it did 1:54:32.040 --> 1:54:35.400 to her was great. And then having our family along 1:54:35.400 --> 1:54:38.010 the course cheering us on, our nieces, our nephew, our 1:54:38.010 --> 1:54:41.820 cousins, the whole family out there was very exciting and 1:54:41.820 --> 1:54:44.400 was very heartwarming. And now I look forward to this 1:54:44.400 --> 1:54:47.250 November, sharing that experience now with my little sister. 1:54:48.060 --> 1:54:51.540 This is incredible story. So this November, this coming year, 1:54:51.720 --> 1:54:56.190 your whole family, Team Gonzalez, your mother, your younger sister, 1:54:56.640 --> 1:54:59.640 and the two of you will be running NYC together. 1:54:59.970 --> 1:55:01.230 What does that mean to you? 1:55:01.770 --> 1:55:06.030 For me, it's a full circle. Lots of things are 1:55:06.030 --> 1:55:08.880 happening this year for me personally. But being able to 1:55:09.510 --> 1:55:13.619 put my sister out there, have her train for a marathon, 1:55:13.619 --> 1:55:15.420 for her to get to know her body on another 1:55:15.420 --> 1:55:20.340 level, it's just good family moments for me and happiness 1:55:20.340 --> 1:55:20.850 all around. 1:55:22.290 --> 1:55:23.640 Wonderful. What about you, Luis? 1:55:25.440 --> 1:55:29.369 The same thing. Sometimes you take time for granted, you 1:55:29.369 --> 1:55:31.950 take family for granted, you're always busy. New York 1:55:31.950 --> 1:55:34.890 City's very fast- paced, you work, work, work, work, work. 1:55:34.890 --> 1:55:37.740 And then you don't have time for anything else. Even 1:55:37.740 --> 1:55:39.690 training for your own marathon, you're like, okay, where do 1:55:39.690 --> 1:55:41.220 you fit in the time? Do you have to wake 1:55:41.220 --> 1:55:44.040 up earlier? It's still 24 hours in a day, so you 1:55:44.040 --> 1:55:46.619 got to make the time. So I think this is 1:55:46.619 --> 1:55:49.470 good for the whole family to kind of ... it's a 1:55:49.470 --> 1:55:51.900 good time to spend together. When we trained with my 1:55:51.900 --> 1:55:54.900 mom, we would take her with all our friends, introduce 1:55:54.900 --> 1:55:57.300 her to everybody and be like, " Hey Ma, you have 1:55:57.300 --> 1:56:00.000 to say hi to these people, these are our friends. 1:56:00.000 --> 1:56:02.220 These are the people that are helping you that 1:56:02.220 --> 1:56:06.000 donated to your cause, you have to be polite." And 1:56:06.000 --> 1:56:11.400 then for my sister, we're trying to help her break 1:56:11.400 --> 1:56:15.270 out of her shell. And I feel like this will 1:56:15.270 --> 1:56:18.540 be fun for her, for her to get this mental 1:56:18.540 --> 1:56:22.980 aspect of her, build her resilience up, see what you're 1:56:22.980 --> 1:56:25.410 capable of. There is a lot more to do out 1:56:25.410 --> 1:56:30.000 there. And being able to, for us to travel 26.2 1:56:30.000 --> 1:56:33.060 miles together, I think it'll be a great moment. And 1:56:33.330 --> 1:56:36.510 the pictures that we have from last year are forever. 1:56:37.500 --> 1:56:41.850 Absolutely. Family that runs together sticks together. And to see 1:56:41.850 --> 1:56:47.100 you guys in a positive environment is amazing. So, Teresita, you 1:56:47.100 --> 1:56:50.879 were one of the just six women accepted into NYRR's 1:56:50.970 --> 1:56:55.170 first ever Game Changers cohort. Can you tell us what 1:56:55.170 --> 1:56:57.869 that program is and what it means for you as 1:56:57.869 --> 1:56:58.380 a coach? 1:56:59.580 --> 1:57:03.359 Game Changer is a program founded by Vanessa. She is 1:57:03.359 --> 1:57:05.340 on a mission to increase the number of women of 1:57:05.340 --> 1:57:09.090 color in the running industry. So for this cohort, she 1:57:09.090 --> 1:57:12.720 partnered up with New York Road Runners and Brooks. And 1:57:12.869 --> 1:57:16.260 this is a focus within the five boroughs. I was 1:57:16.260 --> 1:57:18.330 one of the six, about 50 women applied in New 1:57:18.330 --> 1:57:21.210 York City of color. And this is very special to 1:57:21.210 --> 1:57:24.570 me. Since 2019, I've been mentoring with Team for Kids, 1:57:24.570 --> 1:57:27.510 so I've had friends and family pitch the idea that 1:57:27.510 --> 1:57:30.481 maybe I should take up being a running coach. 1:57:30.810 --> 1:57:33.510 But I just didn't have the time for it back 1:57:33.510 --> 1:57:36.720 then. And now with this cohort, things aligned for me. 1:57:36.750 --> 1:57:39.480 And now I have the time to be able to 1:57:39.840 --> 1:57:46.350 dedicate myself to study, look up different ... just study and 1:57:46.350 --> 1:57:48.270 do lots of research on what it is to become 1:57:48.270 --> 1:57:51.480 a running coach. And I look forward to helping people 1:57:53.100 --> 1:57:55.710 step on the start line for their marathons. 1:57:56.190 --> 1:57:59.550 Pretty incredible. You have case study with your family, do 1:57:59.550 --> 1:58:02.460 a lot of research on, so keep it up. Luis, how is 1:58:02.460 --> 1:58:04.380 your training going for the London Marathon? 1:58:04.710 --> 1:58:08.490 I think it's been pretty good. I guess, this would 1:58:08.490 --> 1:58:11.340 be my third spring marathon. It's always hard. And this 1:58:11.340 --> 1:58:14.880 has been the coldest one I would say. I'm a 1:58:14.880 --> 1:58:17.340 bigger fan of the cold, but sometimes the cold is 1:58:17.340 --> 1:58:20.070 just ... with the wind and everything like that. When you're 1:58:20.070 --> 1:58:21.990 trying to get the speed workouts and you got a 1:58:21.990 --> 1:58:25.770 headwind instead of a tailwind, it's a little rough. But 1:58:26.880 --> 1:58:29.640 it's always good, half the battle is just getting out 1:58:29.640 --> 1:58:30.869 there and then the rest just comes. 1:58:31.680 --> 1:58:34.230 The hardest part is lacing the shoes up and getting out 1:58:34.230 --> 1:58:36.330 the door. Once you get out, you're going to get it done and you're going to 1:58:36.330 --> 1:58:39.150 get even motivated and also inspire others who watch you 1:58:39.150 --> 1:58:42.540 run. So good luck there. And then, Teresa, you are 1:58:42.540 --> 1:58:46.859 taking the Boston marathon and London within weeks to earn 1:58:46.859 --> 1:58:51.119 your six star medal. What's your game plan for recovery 1:58:51.119 --> 1:58:52.140 between the two races? 1:58:52.920 --> 1:58:56.100 I'm coming back home that Monday night from Boston, so 1:58:56.100 --> 1:58:59.400 I'm just going to rest, hydrate and do lots of 1:58:59.400 --> 1:59:01.440 ice baths. That way I can have some fresh 1:59:01.440 --> 1:59:02.670 legs for the following Sunday. 1:59:02.669 --> 1:59:03.450 From Monday to Sunday, right? 1:59:03.450 --> 1:59:05.790 From Monday to Sunday, yes. 1:59:06.690 --> 1:59:10.200 Incredible. Well, I'm so delighted to interview you guys. And 1:59:10.200 --> 1:59:12.420 thank you for all the hard work that you do for Team for Kids 1:59:12.420 --> 1:59:16.410 and Team Gonzalez. 2025 is going to be special. So I 1:59:16.410 --> 1:59:17.369 wish you guys all the best. 1:59:22.170 --> 1:59:23.340 Thank you so much, Meb. 1:59:23.340 --> 1:59:23.461 Thank you. 1:59:23.461 --> 1:59:26.520 All right, thank you, Meb. And thank you Teresita and Luis for joining us and for being members 1:59:26.820 --> 1:59:29.609 of New York Road Runners and Team for Kids. Great 1:59:29.609 --> 1:59:31.859 story. Now today's Meb Minute. 1:59:32.670 --> 1:59:37.440 Traveling is important. You know me, I'm a visualization person, 1:59:37.530 --> 1:59:40.590 I visualize my race, but I also visualize my packing 1:59:40.590 --> 1:59:43.770 list. So when you are traveling for a race, make 1:59:43.770 --> 1:59:47.490 sure you book your flights and hotels early. Arrive to 1:59:47.490 --> 1:59:52.109 a destination early. Pack all the necessaries on carry- on. 1:59:52.109 --> 1:59:54.600 I cannot emphasize on this one because I made one 1:59:54.600 --> 1:59:58.859 big mistake. There's a law that says Murphy's Law, anything 1:59:58.859 --> 2:00:01.470 that can go wrong, it will go wrong. And 2:00:01.470 --> 2:00:04.800 on a direct flight from San Diego to New York, 2:00:05.490 --> 2:00:09.900 I had my first daughter, and we are going to travel. How can 2:00:09.900 --> 2:00:12.030 anything get lost on a direct flight? I did not 2:00:12.030 --> 2:00:14.640 have my carry- on. I just packed everything check in. 2:00:15.030 --> 2:00:18.420 And my luggage never made it. So be careful as 2:00:18.450 --> 2:00:21.900 you plan your travels. Carry- on is the way to 2:00:21.900 --> 2:00:26.879 go. Sometimes time zone, time zone accumulation or adaptation is 2:00:26.880 --> 2:00:29.310 important. For me, I used to get up, when I 2:00:29.310 --> 2:00:31.920 was in the West Coast, get up really early, 5 2:00:31.920 --> 2:00:37.200 AM my time, which is 8 AM in Eastern Standard 2:00:37.200 --> 2:00:39.570 Time. So you have to be really careful. And as 2:00:39.570 --> 2:00:42.690 you travel, gets on that plane, before the plane, you 2:00:42.690 --> 2:00:44.040 got a lot of things going on. But once you get on 2:00:44.160 --> 2:00:48.030 the plane, you are out of control. Do what you can, 2:00:48.030 --> 2:00:52.200 just now relax. As you travel, walk around. It's important 2:00:52.200 --> 2:00:55.200 to move around in the plane. Sometimes you go where 2:00:55.200 --> 2:00:57.750 the flight attendants sit, go there and stretch a little 2:00:57.750 --> 2:00:59.369 bit. Tell them about yourself. You're getting ready for a 2:00:59.369 --> 2:01:02.220 half marathon, getting ready for a marathon. The flight 2:01:02.220 --> 2:01:04.230 attendant might be kind enough to give you water or 2:01:04.230 --> 2:01:07.740 snacks and things like that. So my thing is think 2:01:07.740 --> 2:01:11.730 ahead, travel well and run to win to the best 2:01:11.730 --> 2:01:14.550 that you can on race day. And more importantly, have 2:01:14.550 --> 2:01:17.160 fun once you get to the destination. Think about the 2:01:17.160 --> 2:01:21.180 race, smell the air, feel the temperature, and soak in 2:01:21.180 --> 2:01:24.930 all the atmosphere because you are celebrating one of the 2:01:24.930 --> 2:01:26.820 great accomplishments you're going to achieve. 2:01:27.090 --> 2:01:30.001 Well, that does it for a true marathon episode 2:01:30.600 --> 2:01:32.550 of Set The Pace. We had to give you that 2:01:32.640 --> 2:01:37.140 of course. Thanks to today's guests, Corey Wharton Malcolm, Austin 2:01:37.140 --> 2:01:41.670 Curtis and Teresita and Luis Gonzalez. Great conversations with all 2:01:41.670 --> 2:01:44.610 of you. Remember, if you like this episode, make sure 2:01:44.610 --> 2:01:47.850 you subscribe, rate it or leave a comment or review 2:01:47.850 --> 2:01:51.330 so other folks can find it as well. Enjoy the 2:01:51.330 --> 2:01:54.540 miles everybody. We'll see you for our special 100th edition 2:01:54.540 --> 2:01:56.100 of Set The Pace next week.