1 00:00:00,630 --> 00:00:02,130 Rob: What can we call you? Coach Ed? Coach Eyestone? 2 00:00:02,610 --> 00:00:04,229 Ed: My guys called me Easy E. 3 00:00:04,260 --> 00:00:05,160 Rob: Easy E. 4 00:00:06,630 --> 00:00:09,510 Ed: I don't know that it's due to my rapping abilities. 5 00:00:10,590 --> 00:00:13,440 Ed: I think it's just because I'm a kind of easygoing guy. 6 00:00:17,430 --> 00:00:20,880 Rob: Hey everybody and welcome to a special episode of Set 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,430 Rob: the Pace, the official podcast of New York Road Runners, 8 00:00:23,430 --> 00:00:26,820 Rob: presented by Peloton. I'm your host, Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO 9 00:00:26,820 --> 00:00:28,830 Rob: of New York Road Runners, and we are here with 10 00:00:28,830 --> 00:00:32,250 Rob: a live audience at the Citizens House of Blues in 11 00:00:33,990 --> 00:00:43,050 Rob: Boston, just two nights ahead of the 2025 129th running of the Boston Marathon 12 00:00:43,290 --> 00:00:47,850 Rob: presented by Bank of America. Who's running out there? Who's 13 00:00:47,850 --> 00:00:51,600 Rob: running on Monday? All right, we got runners out here. 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,840 Rob: It's an incredible vibe in Boston this weekend. The weather 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,220 Rob: is spectacular here on Saturday, the day we're taping, and 16 00:00:59,220 --> 00:01:02,280 Rob: it looks great for Monday as well. And my usual 17 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:04,800 Rob: amazing co- host, Becs Gentry, is not with us today. 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,680 Rob: She's back in New York tonight, so we have a 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,800 Rob: very special guest host with us tonight. She's a great 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,890 Rob: friend of New York Road Runners, familiar fans to all 21 00:01:13,890 --> 00:01:16,950 Rob: New York sports fans and sports fans everywhere and especially 22 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:19,560 Rob: to fans of the TCS New York City Marathon because 23 00:01:19,709 --> 00:01:22,200 Rob: she is a regular host of our broadcast there. Not 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,770 Rob: only that, she's running the Boston Marathon on Monday, Sam 25 00:01:25,770 --> 00:01:29,610 Rob: Ryan. Hey Sam. 26 00:01:29,610 --> 00:01:33,209 Sam: Hey there. So excited to be... Missing Becs, but so 27 00:01:33,209 --> 00:01:36,690 Sam: excited to be here with you guys today and this 28 00:01:36,690 --> 00:01:40,110 Sam: weekend, and wow, the weather. Dare we say, it's two 29 00:01:40,110 --> 00:01:42,360 Sam: days out. We can say it now. The weather's looking 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:42,601 Sam: really good. 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:42,810 Rob: It's looking great. 32 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:45,059 Sam: We're close, so now we can say it. 33 00:01:45,060 --> 00:01:45,390 Rob: Great for Monday. 34 00:01:45,390 --> 00:01:47,190 Sam: All week long, I didn't want to say it, but yeah. 35 00:01:47,490 --> 00:01:50,340 Rob: A hundred percent. Thank goodness that the race was not 36 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:54,510 Rob: today because here on Saturday, over 80 degrees in Boston. 37 00:01:54,510 --> 00:01:58,020 Rob: An incredible day to walk around, see the sights, take 38 00:01:58,020 --> 00:02:01,440 Rob: photos, but luckily a lot cooler on Monday. So how 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Rob: are you feeling about your race on Monday? 40 00:02:04,650 --> 00:02:07,050 Sam: Like those of you who are running, probably a little 41 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:10,590 Sam: nervous, trying to get out of my head, but the hay is in 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,880 Sam: the barn as they say, right? 43 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:12,241 Rob: That's what they say. 44 00:02:12,241 --> 00:02:15,240 Sam: So you have to trust your training and I know 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,310 Sam: we have a special guest who will tell us about 46 00:02:17,310 --> 00:02:22,320 Sam: that too a little later, but I trust the training and I'm excited. 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,131 Rob: All right. Well, we- 48 00:02:23,131 --> 00:02:23,132 Sam: I'm really looking forward to it. 49 00:02:23,132 --> 00:02:26,280 Rob: You mentioned a special guest, and if you want to know about 50 00:02:26,370 --> 00:02:30,419 Rob: training for a marathon, there is no person better in 51 00:02:30,419 --> 00:02:32,639 Rob: the United States or beyond to talk to than our 52 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:36,990 Rob: featured guest today. The legendary coach Ed Eyestone is here 53 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:42,690 Rob: with us today. Ed is someone who has really become 54 00:02:43,050 --> 00:02:46,650 Rob: the top distance running coach in the country. He's got 55 00:02:46,650 --> 00:02:49,320 Rob: a number of elite runners going on Monday and we're 56 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,380 Rob: going to go deep with Ed on all things marathoning 57 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:54,720 Rob: and get psyched for what we think could be some 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,570 Rob: amazing American performances. So Ed'll be with us in just a 59 00:02:57,570 --> 00:03:00,840 Rob: minute, but Sam, we do this member moment segment at 60 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,270 Rob: every New York Road Runners Set the Pace podcast, and 61 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:06,239 Rob: so today the member is you. We're going to feature 62 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Rob: you, Sam, as our member moment. You're not only a 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,340 Rob: great broadcaster but also a New York Road Runners member. 64 00:03:11,340 --> 00:03:13,650 Rob: So let's talk a little bit about what you're doing 65 00:03:13,650 --> 00:03:15,930 Rob: and how you're feeling about Monday. I mean, it's actually 66 00:03:15,930 --> 00:03:19,080 Rob: amazing. You're a four- time Emmy Award winner, a great 67 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,940 Rob: broadcaster. You sit in our studio broadcasting the marathon in 68 00:03:23,940 --> 00:03:26,250 Rob: New York. How is it for you to get out 69 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:28,950 Rob: there and actually run these races after you've sat and been 70 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:30,960 Rob: a part of broadcasting them so many years? 71 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:35,880 Sam: It's so different now because when I first started broadcasting 72 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,140 Sam: the New York City Marathon after having set my marathon 73 00:03:40,140 --> 00:03:43,440 Sam: PB in New York City, so when you cover it, 74 00:03:43,470 --> 00:03:46,200 Sam: it's like covering the Super Bowl. This is your event. 75 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,839 Sam: It's like, " Okay, now here I am covering the event 76 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:52,890 Sam: that I love, that I run." You feel like you're 77 00:03:52,890 --> 00:03:55,650 Sam: part of the fabric. But now to go back out 78 00:03:55,650 --> 00:04:00,450 Sam: and to run a marathon after that, it just feels, 79 00:04:01,590 --> 00:04:04,230 Sam: I don't want to use the word authentic, but it 80 00:04:04,230 --> 00:04:06,690 Sam: feels like it's full circle, but now it feels like 81 00:04:06,690 --> 00:04:11,040 Sam: you can feel what you're speaking to also. So it's 82 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,320 Sam: a little bit of that all wrapped up into one. 83 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,370 Sam: I'm not just the runner out there. I can parlay 84 00:04:17,370 --> 00:04:20,789 Sam: this information into the booth as well, but I take 85 00:04:20,790 --> 00:04:24,120 Sam: advice from you, from Carrie, from everybody that we work 86 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,310 Sam: with also, and I listen to them, so now I can 87 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:27,450 Sam: apply that to myself. 88 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,320 Rob: It's funny. You've covered so many big sports. You've covered Major 89 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,650 Rob: League Baseball, the NFL, you've been a part of these 90 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:38,159 Rob: big sports, but you haven't been able to play Major 91 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,130 Rob: League Baseball or play in the NFL. So it's got 92 00:04:41,130 --> 00:04:43,919 Rob: to be so cool as a broadcaster to go out 93 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,100 Rob: on the field of play that you've been covering and 94 00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:49,289 Rob: kind of have that crossover moment. And that's one of 95 00:04:49,290 --> 00:04:52,260 Rob: the things that's so special about this sport, right, is that 96 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:55,710 Rob: we're going to have 30,000 people following these elite runners 97 00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:57,719 Rob: in Boston on Monday as we do in New York 98 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,440 Rob: every November. 99 00:04:58,980 --> 00:05:01,890 Sam: You know what? We were just talking about this in 100 00:05:01,890 --> 00:05:04,620 Sam: the green room before that it's such an individual sport, 101 00:05:04,620 --> 00:05:08,790 Sam: right? You're running your pace, you're doing your training, but 102 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:11,969 Sam: yet there are teammates and there is teamwork. And we've 103 00:05:11,970 --> 00:05:14,610 Sam: seen this with the pros. We see the teamwork and 104 00:05:14,610 --> 00:05:18,810 Sam: we see how the running community just bonds together and 105 00:05:18,810 --> 00:05:22,650 Sam: everybody supports each other. So it is a team sport 106 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,489 Sam: in that sense too. And there's just so much energy. 107 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,310 Sam: It's like being part of a team and everybody roots 108 00:05:29,310 --> 00:05:31,680 Sam: for each other. It's awesome. You guys are awesome. 109 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,750 Rob: It is awesome. We're going to be rooting for everybody 110 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:36,570 Rob: out there this Monday. That's one of the things that makes 111 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:41,070 Rob: it special. Sam, you were not always into running, and this 112 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:43,410 Rob: happens a lot with people. They find a point in 113 00:05:43,410 --> 00:05:47,130 Rob: life when they like running. When you were a kid, I'm told 114 00:05:47,130 --> 00:05:49,890 Rob: you would produce a doctor's note to get out of 115 00:05:49,890 --> 00:05:51,570 Rob: having to run a mile in gym class. 116 00:05:51,570 --> 00:05:53,190 Sam: It was a legitimate doctor's note. 117 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:53,820 Rob: Oh, a legitimate doctor's note. 118 00:05:53,821 --> 00:05:54,600 Sam: It was legitimate. Yes, yes. 119 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:58,140 Rob: What changed for you to get you from there to 120 00:05:58,140 --> 00:06:00,029 Rob: where you are now running all these marathons? 121 00:06:00,089 --> 00:06:02,790 Sam: So I have asthma and I don't know if anyone 122 00:06:02,790 --> 00:06:06,000 Sam: else does, but I as a kid, exercise induced asthma. 123 00:06:06,270 --> 00:06:10,409 Sam: So that was my excuse rather than, " Let's work through 124 00:06:10,410 --> 00:06:13,229 Sam: it," because it wasn't advisable back then. It's like, " Okay, 125 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:16,860 Sam: you have exercise- induced asthma. Don't work out. Don't do 126 00:06:16,860 --> 00:06:19,589 Sam: anything." When I got a little older, when I was 18, 127 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,359 Sam: 19, I wanted to get in shape. I wanted to 128 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,330 Sam: play tennis. I would get winded just running back and 129 00:06:27,330 --> 00:06:32,100 Sam: forth on the court. And I worked on, " Let me 130 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:33,930 Sam: run to the end of my block, let me run 131 00:06:33,930 --> 00:06:37,500 Sam: to the end of my block and then turn the corner," little by 132 00:06:37,500 --> 00:06:39,540 Sam: little one step at a time. And that's how we 133 00:06:39,540 --> 00:06:42,120 Sam: all began, or most of us would begin our running 134 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,140 Sam: journey if we developed running later in life. So it's 135 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:47,820 Sam: just one foot in front of the other, let's see 136 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:50,670 Sam: how far we can go. And then I realized I 137 00:06:50,670 --> 00:06:53,490 Sam: wasn't getting as winded. I didn't need the inhaler. I 138 00:06:53,490 --> 00:06:55,260 Sam: have pictures from my first New York City Marathon, which 139 00:06:55,260 --> 00:06:57,479 Sam: was my first marathon, and there's an inhaler on my 140 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:57,990 Sam: fuel belt. 141 00:06:57,990 --> 00:06:58,350 Rob: Wow. 142 00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:02,490 Sam: My second one, inhaler in the hand. Never needed it, 143 00:07:02,910 --> 00:07:06,180 Sam: but it was always in my head and I always 144 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:07,859 Sam: thought about, " Well, what if I need it? What if 145 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:09,960 Sam: I push too hard? Am I going to need the 146 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,670 Sam: inhaler?" And I didn't. And I feel that I worked 147 00:07:14,670 --> 00:07:18,360 Sam: through it and I feel better physically. 148 00:07:18,810 --> 00:07:23,400 Rob: That's a great story. It's one of 30, 000 stories that 149 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,950 Rob: there'll be at the starting line on Monday and there's 150 00:07:25,950 --> 00:07:29,280 Rob: just so many stories like that in this sport. Everybody 151 00:07:29,460 --> 00:07:32,430 Rob: has had to overcome something to get to the starting 152 00:07:32,430 --> 00:07:34,950 Rob: line of an event like the Boston Marathon or the New 153 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:37,500 Rob: York Marathon. Every single one of you knows, whether it's 154 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,020 Rob: you running or a friend, you know what they've had 155 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:42,540 Rob: to overcome, and for you it was that, and here 156 00:07:42,540 --> 00:07:43,650 Rob: you are. It must feel amazing. 157 00:07:43,890 --> 00:07:45,930 Sam: It does. It does. I just want to keep going. 158 00:07:45,930 --> 00:07:46,200 Rob: Absolutely. 159 00:07:46,410 --> 00:07:47,280 Sam: We all do, right? 160 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:50,430 Rob: Speaking of keeping going, you have a goal of running 161 00:07:50,430 --> 00:07:53,640 Rob: a thousand miles a year. Is that right? You're trying 162 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,660 Rob: to do a thousand a year? 163 00:07:55,020 --> 00:07:55,200 Sam: Well, yeah. 164 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,300 Rob: That's not so crazy. 165 00:07:59,000 --> 00:07:59,002 Sam: (inaudible) crazy. 166 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,140 Rob: Have you done a thousand in the last couple of years? 167 00:08:02,220 --> 00:08:05,400 Sam: The last two years I hadn't, but prior to that 168 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,260 Sam: I did. This year I will make it. 169 00:08:07,890 --> 00:08:08,130 Rob: Yeah. 170 00:08:08,340 --> 00:08:09,870 Sam: Yeah. We are in a marathon training cycle. 171 00:08:09,870 --> 00:08:12,060 Rob: It's true. You can do that pretty quickly. Where are 172 00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:15,480 Rob: you trying to get to in your marathon goals? Do you 173 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,490 Rob: have a time you're trying to achieve in Boston or 174 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:17,941 Rob: what are you trying to do? 175 00:08:17,941 --> 00:08:24,030 Sam: I do have a time because I've run this before and the last time 176 00:08:24,030 --> 00:08:28,290 Sam: I ran it, it didn't go... It wasn't pretty. So 177 00:08:28,530 --> 00:08:34,410 Sam: I want to finish and finish proud and just happy, 178 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,800 Sam: and I want to prove that the training that I 179 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,860 Sam: did and the dedication that I put into this over 180 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:43,230 Sam: the past year has paid off and that it worked, 181 00:08:43,230 --> 00:08:46,830 Sam: so let's see. Let's see where it goes. 182 00:08:47,100 --> 00:08:49,349 Rob: Well, we wish you luck on Monday. It's going to 183 00:08:49,350 --> 00:08:52,920 Rob: be exciting for you. Hope to welcome you back to 184 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,480 Rob: New York with Boston Marathon under your belt. And you 185 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,980 Rob: think you'll be able to take some things from this to 186 00:09:01,980 --> 00:09:03,959 Rob: the marathon broadcast in the fall in New York? 187 00:09:04,050 --> 00:09:05,580 Sam: Absolutely. Absolutely. 188 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:05,761 Rob: We can't wait. 189 00:09:05,761 --> 00:09:09,480 Sam: And just being part of this community, it's so uplifting. 190 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Sam: So you guys are awesome. You guys are rock stars. 191 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,460 Rob: All right. Well, speaking of rock stars, there are going 192 00:09:14,460 --> 00:09:19,020 Rob: to be some incredible rock stars wearing the USA stars 193 00:09:19,020 --> 00:09:23,280 Rob: and stripes on Monday. 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Coach Eyestone? 210 00:10:18,030 --> 00:10:19,650 Ed: My guys called me Easy E. 211 00:10:19,650 --> 00:10:20,580 Rob: Easy E. 212 00:10:22,050 --> 00:10:24,270 Ed: I don't know that it's due to my rapping ability. 213 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:28,829 Ed: I think it's just because a kind of easygoing guy. 214 00:10:28,860 --> 00:10:29,850 Rob: Not the original Easy E. I love it. 215 00:10:30,870 --> 00:10:34,590 Ed: Our sport is difficult enough to not have a dictator 216 00:10:34,590 --> 00:10:38,340 Ed: as a coach and having been there in their position, I 217 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:40,140 Ed: want to be able to work with them. I mean, 218 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:42,569 Ed: I am demanding, and I'm sure you've talked to Conner 219 00:10:42,570 --> 00:10:45,810 Ed: and Clayton, the kind of workouts that they do, but 220 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:50,400 Ed: it's kind of flattering actually, Easy E. But you can call me Ed. That's fine. 221 00:10:50,910 --> 00:10:52,530 Rob: We're sticking with Easy E. I love it. 222 00:10:52,530 --> 00:10:53,309 Sam: Easy E is good. Yeah. 223 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,700 Rob: So for those who don't know, Coach Eyestone, Ed Eyestone is 224 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,970 Rob: a two- time Olympian himself. He is a former NCAA 225 00:10:59,970 --> 00:11:04,439 Rob: champion and a legendary coach whose athletes include Conner Mantz, 226 00:11:04,650 --> 00:11:07,860 Rob: Clayton Young and Keira D'Amato, who all will be towing 227 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:11,460 Rob: the starting line on Monday, and they are really leading 228 00:11:11,460 --> 00:11:15,900 Rob: a resurgence in American distance running. He's the head coach in cross- 229 00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:18,510 Rob: country and track and field at BYU, one of the 230 00:11:18,510 --> 00:11:22,200 Rob: most consistent collegiate programs in the country over the years, 231 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,500 Rob: and talking about how calm he is, steady leadership has 232 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:28,829 Rob: really made that a program that's on the map now 233 00:11:28,830 --> 00:11:31,230 Rob: for all runners, and he's a broadcaster just like you, 234 00:11:31,230 --> 00:11:34,470 Rob: Sam. You guys actually have been together I think as 235 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:37,980 Rob: broadcasters. You've connected with some of your runners through broadcasting, 236 00:11:37,980 --> 00:11:40,319 Rob: which we'll talk about as well. So he's done it 237 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,520 Rob: all and it's great to have you here. 238 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,520 Ed: Well, thank you. Appreciate that, and probably a little bit 239 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,370 Ed: of hyperbole there in that intro, but I appreciate it. It's been 240 00:11:47,370 --> 00:11:50,640 Ed: fun. And this is a sport that, like many of 241 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,189 Ed: you, I started back in junior high when I got 242 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:57,210 Ed: cut from the baseball team, of course. If my real 243 00:11:57,210 --> 00:12:00,420 Ed: dreams had have come to fruition, I'd be next door 244 00:12:00,450 --> 00:12:04,410 Ed: at Fenway Park. But when I did get that cut, 245 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,479 Ed: it was the first time that I realized in the 246 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,490 Ed: spring of the year, sure you have baseball, but there's 247 00:12:08,490 --> 00:12:10,590 Ed: another sport actually in the spring. It's called track and 248 00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:13,469 Ed: field. And so that's how I got my gentle introduction 249 00:12:13,470 --> 00:12:17,160 Ed: into the sport. And so like many of you, I've 250 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,010 Ed: been involved in this for the last 50 plus years 251 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:23,490 Ed: and it's been fun. I was able to run through 252 00:12:23,490 --> 00:12:27,929 Ed: college and then had a pretty long- lasting professional career. 253 00:12:28,260 --> 00:12:32,190 Ed: When I was nearly 40 actually as I was slowing 254 00:12:32,190 --> 00:12:36,450 Ed: down and the competition was getting faster, a good coach 255 00:12:36,450 --> 00:12:39,150 Ed: in the area offered me a position just to get 256 00:12:39,809 --> 00:12:42,059 Ed: my foot in the door of coaching. And so I 257 00:12:42,059 --> 00:12:44,640 Ed: went and worked at a place called Weber State University 258 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,439 Ed: up in Ogden, Utah for about two and a half 259 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,939 Ed: years. And then as that cycled down, my old track 260 00:12:50,940 --> 00:12:54,059 Ed: and cross- country coach at BYU was then retiring and 261 00:12:54,059 --> 00:12:56,189 Ed: I was able to move in. And so for the 262 00:12:56,190 --> 00:12:59,490 Ed: last 25 years, I've been working at the D1 level, 263 00:12:59,490 --> 00:13:02,940 Ed: and over the last 10 years or so, we've had 264 00:13:02,970 --> 00:13:06,210 Ed: athletes emerge who were running at a high enough level 265 00:13:06,420 --> 00:13:08,610 Ed: that they were going to be able to run professionally. 266 00:13:08,820 --> 00:13:12,179 Ed: And so it's kind of fun. My day job obviously 267 00:13:12,179 --> 00:13:15,089 Ed: is a track and field and cross- country coach at BYU. 268 00:13:15,090 --> 00:13:16,920 Ed: We won a national championship this last year. 269 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:17,969 Rob: Congratulations. 270 00:13:18,809 --> 00:13:19,230 Sam: Awesome. 271 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:24,840 Ed: Humble brag right there, humble brag, but it doesn't happen 272 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,569 Ed: often so I work it into conversations as often as I 273 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:33,720 Ed: can. But that may be my day job, but I'm just 274 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,020 Ed: as passionate obviously about my professional athletes that I get 275 00:13:37,020 --> 00:13:38,429 Ed: to work with and it's so cool. 276 00:13:39,450 --> 00:13:43,650 Sam: Before we get to Conner and Clayton and Kiera, you 277 00:13:43,650 --> 00:13:47,010 Sam: talked about your career, and I know this sounds like 278 00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:49,650 Sam: a broad question, but we know that running, in the 279 00:13:49,650 --> 00:13:53,520 Sam: running community, running, there's a boom in popularity in all 280 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,520 Sam: distances, not just the marathon, but what is the biggest 281 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,270 Sam: difference that you see not only in the performance and 282 00:14:00,270 --> 00:14:03,960 Sam: the athletes, but in the training, in the equipment, in 283 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,620 Sam: the shoes and in the coaching from when you ran- 284 00:14:08,190 --> 00:14:09,151 Ed: From the dark ages, you're saying? 285 00:14:09,151 --> 00:14:09,361 Sam: ... to today? 286 00:14:09,361 --> 00:14:11,130 Ed: So from the dark ages? 287 00:14:11,130 --> 00:14:12,059 Sam: Yeah. Well, Easy E. 288 00:14:12,059 --> 00:14:15,929 Ed: When all the pictures were in black and white. My 289 00:14:15,929 --> 00:14:18,660 Ed: guys are going, " Was color not invented when you were running?" 290 00:14:21,810 --> 00:14:24,360 Ed: It's interesting because I think some of the same go- 291 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,450 Ed: to workouts that my guys love and thrive in were 292 00:14:27,630 --> 00:14:31,080 Ed: similar workouts that I was doing in the '80s and '90s. So some of 293 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,730 Ed: that has been consistent, but there are always new innovations, 294 00:14:35,970 --> 00:14:38,790 Ed: and a good coach is going to plagiarize with the 295 00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:42,000 Ed: best of them. We're in a wonderful opportunity now in 296 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,120 Ed: terms of the internet. The internet's not only great for 297 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,500 Ed: learning a guitar song or something, but also fantastic in 298 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:51,840 Ed: terms of pulling up some good workouts and seeing what 299 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,060 Ed: people around the country and around the world are doing. 300 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:56,760 Ed: So I think we've all appreciated for this sharing of 301 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:02,670 Ed: information that's out there, things like double threshold workouts, and 302 00:15:04,050 --> 00:15:07,320 Ed: obviously the equipment and the stadiums that we're running in 303 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,940 Ed: I think are more athlete friendly now as well. And 304 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:14,400 Ed: so all of those things I think are coming together 305 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,140 Ed: and as a result of that, we're just seeing a 306 00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:20,550 Ed: perfect storm of speed and that's why the records have 307 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:23,970 Ed: just gone through the roof in terms of across all 308 00:15:23,970 --> 00:15:27,450 Ed: events really, and it's going to be interesting to see 309 00:15:27,450 --> 00:15:28,590 Ed: what the future holds. 310 00:15:29,130 --> 00:15:32,160 Rob: And you were kind of a perfect storm of speed yourself when you were 311 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:34,860 Rob: a runner. I mean, you haven't bragged that much about your running 312 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:39,570 Rob: days, but you really were elite. You won something called 313 00:15:39,570 --> 00:15:42,030 Rob: the triple crown of distance running, which I think only 314 00:15:42,030 --> 00:15:45,570 Rob: four or five people have ever done, the national championship 315 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:49,560 Rob: in cross country in the 5, 000 meters and in the 10, 000 316 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,430 Rob: meters, which is an incredible accomplishment. What did you take 317 00:15:53,610 --> 00:15:56,700 Rob: from those days of running at that level that you've 318 00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:59,280 Rob: been able to really bring into your coaching career? 319 00:15:59,310 --> 00:16:01,560 Ed: Well, if you were to ask my guys, they would 320 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,680 Ed: probably say one thing that Coach Eyestone likes or Easy 321 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,600 Ed: E likes is consistency. And I felt like over the 322 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,030 Ed: course of my career, even dating back to high school 323 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:15,060 Ed: and college, I was someone who my coaches pretty much 324 00:16:15,060 --> 00:16:16,530 Ed: knew they were going to put me in and even 325 00:16:16,530 --> 00:16:18,330 Ed: if it was an event that I wasn't that comfortable 326 00:16:18,330 --> 00:16:21,420 Ed: with, a 1500 or something like that, that I was 327 00:16:21,420 --> 00:16:26,520 Ed: going to give it my best possible performance. Didn't mean 328 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,690 Ed: that I was going to win every race, but I 329 00:16:27,690 --> 00:16:32,610 Ed: was going to be consistent. When people come to me 330 00:16:32,610 --> 00:16:34,470 Ed: and ask, " Okay, what's the perfect workout? What do I 331 00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:36,480 Ed: need to do?" It's just the consistency and I came 332 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,239 Ed: up with kind of a corny equation because I was 333 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,050 Ed: anything but a math major, but it's C squared equals 334 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:49,020 Ed: E squared, which is just consistent competence equals eventual excellence. 335 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:52,080 Ed: So you don't have to hit a home run every 336 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,610 Ed: time you're up to bat. You can tell I'm a 337 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:57,150 Ed: frustrated baseball player, right? But we just need to get 338 00:16:57,150 --> 00:17:00,300 Ed: out there and do our best on a consistent basis. 339 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:03,870 Ed: And if we do that day in, day out, week in, week 340 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:06,780 Ed: out, month in, month out, year in, year out, then 341 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:09,690 Ed: ultimately I think we're going to have an opportunity to, 342 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,830 Ed: if not achieve greatness, at least come close to our 343 00:17:13,830 --> 00:17:14,669 Ed: running potential. 344 00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:18,689 Sam: That is awesome. So when you take that philosophy and 345 00:17:18,690 --> 00:17:23,939 Sam: that mentality from your training and parlay that to coaching, 346 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:33,540 Sam: when some athletes join you later, Kiera for example, how 347 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:38,580 Sam: difficult is it to or receptive are they to your 348 00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:40,320 Sam: philosophy and your message? 349 00:17:40,619 --> 00:17:43,230 Ed: Well, I think anytime I take in someone who... I've 350 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:45,060 Ed: been fortunate because I've had a number of athletes come 351 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:48,000 Ed: through the BYU system, and so they've literally been with 352 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,859 Ed: me since their senior year in high school and so 353 00:17:49,859 --> 00:17:51,419 Ed: by the time they get through in four or five 354 00:17:51,420 --> 00:17:54,390 Ed: years, they kind of know the system, and obviously it's 355 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:56,790 Ed: going to be tweaked as they move up to the 356 00:17:56,790 --> 00:18:00,150 Ed: marathon from maybe the five and 10, 000 meters, but I've also worked 357 00:18:00,150 --> 00:18:03,090 Ed: with people who went to other programs and then came 358 00:18:03,090 --> 00:18:04,710 Ed: in. First thing you do as a coach is just 359 00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:06,929 Ed: sit down with person and you kind of see what 360 00:18:06,930 --> 00:18:11,430 Ed: their goals are. I was in at the Bryan Clay 361 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:13,590 Ed: Meet in Los Angeles for the last four days with 362 00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:15,900 Ed: my college team. So this morning I got up early 363 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,060 Ed: and caught a nonstop, got in about two hours ago. 364 00:18:18,210 --> 00:18:20,010 Ed: The guy that I was sitting next to obviously looked 365 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:24,480 Ed: like a runner. We struck up a conversation and the 366 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,400 Ed: first thing I asked him is, " What is your goal? 367 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:29,850 Ed: What would make you happy in terms of running Boston?" 368 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:32,730 Ed: And he said, " Well, work's been a grind lately. I 369 00:18:32,730 --> 00:18:36,270 Ed: haven't been able to get the miles in." So I said, " 370 00:18:36,270 --> 00:18:40,050 Ed: Well, obviously you have realistic expectations going in." He wasn't 371 00:18:40,050 --> 00:18:42,330 Ed: expecting to run a PR, but he wanted to get 372 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:45,060 Ed: the very best performance out of his training that he 373 00:18:45,060 --> 00:18:48,210 Ed: had done. So to answer your question, Sam, anytime that 374 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:50,669 Ed: I take on a new client or athlete that I'm 375 00:18:50,670 --> 00:18:52,830 Ed: going to work with, we're going to have a conversation 376 00:18:52,830 --> 00:18:54,869 Ed: about where you're at, what you've done in the past, 377 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,020 Ed: what's some of the good things that you'd like to 378 00:18:58,020 --> 00:19:01,020 Ed: carry forward that you think are going to be effective, and then 379 00:19:01,170 --> 00:19:03,540 Ed: hey, maybe we can implement some of these things that 380 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:06,540 Ed: have proven effective with myself back in the dark ages 381 00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:09,240 Ed: or with some of the athletes that I'm currently working 382 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,060 Ed: with to kind of tweak things. And some of it 383 00:19:12,060 --> 00:19:14,970 Ed: also is just coming to altitude, like Keira D'Amato. When 384 00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:17,460 Ed: she came out, she'd never been at altitude. Here we 385 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:20,850 Ed: have the American record holder at the time, or previous 386 00:19:20,850 --> 00:19:25,080 Ed: to that anyway, in the marathon, she'd never really had 387 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,840 Ed: any extended training at altitude. And I said, " You know 388 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,050 Ed: what? That's kind of a thing. Let's experiment with that. 389 00:19:31,710 --> 00:19:32,640 Ed: Let's come out to altitude." 390 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,791 Rob: It works for Kenyans and Ethiopians and lots of other stuff. 391 00:19:35,791 --> 00:19:39,540 Ed: I think really if you look worldwide, if you see the 392 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:42,119 Ed: people in the Olympic Games, I would say the vast, 393 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,590 Ed: vast, vast majority, almost without exception, not necessarily live full- 394 00:19:46,590 --> 00:19:50,010 Ed: time at altitude, but have an altitude training component that 395 00:19:50,010 --> 00:19:53,070 Ed: they will step up to for at least four to 396 00:19:53,070 --> 00:19:53,639 Ed: six weeks. 397 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:58,740 Rob: That community that you have created out there in Utah 398 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,869 Rob: is incredible now and it really has become... There's been Flagstaff, 399 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:07,619 Rob: Arizona, there's been Boulder, Colorado over the years for American 400 00:20:07,619 --> 00:20:10,530 Rob: distance running, but I don't know that there's ever been 401 00:20:10,530 --> 00:20:13,560 Rob: anything quite like what you have going on between the 402 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,070 Rob: incredible program you've got at BYU and now this professional 403 00:20:17,070 --> 00:20:19,379 Rob: running scene. And I had a chance to go visit 404 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:22,350 Rob: out there this past February. A guy named Todd Garner, 405 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:24,359 Rob: who's a friend of yours and a friend of Road 406 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,580 Rob: Runners, hosted me and my daughter out there. I had 407 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:29,459 Rob: a chance to have dinner with Clayton and Conner and 408 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:33,060 Rob: their wives and this whole crew out there and they 409 00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:37,800 Rob: are all hitting the roads Saturday morning, long runs, pushing 410 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,010 Rob: each other. They got vehicle support, and it's a team 411 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,730 Rob: that you guys have out there. What has allowed this 412 00:20:44,730 --> 00:20:48,240 Rob: Utah kind of cluster to become what it has become 413 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:48,960 Rob: in distance running? 414 00:20:49,109 --> 00:20:50,820 Ed: Yeah. I mean, I think there are various things that 415 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:54,990 Ed: have contributed to the growth, one, at BYU on both the 416 00:20:54,990 --> 00:20:57,300 Ed: men's and women's. Let me brag about our women for 417 00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:59,699 Ed: a minute because they won a national championship on the 418 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:02,040 Ed: women's side at cross- country this year and I think it 419 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,419 Ed: was the first time at about 20 years that the 420 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:07,020 Ed: men's and women's program had won simultaneously in the same 421 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:10,770 Ed: year. Coach Diljeet Taylor is doing a phenomenal job with 422 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:14,850 Ed: our women there. She's also part of the Nike kind 423 00:21:14,850 --> 00:21:17,340 Ed: of hub system that they've established there. So she's got 424 00:21:17,670 --> 00:21:22,320 Ed: some very, very talented professional athletes as well. So I 425 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,170 Ed: think it's a combination of having some really good athletes 426 00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:28,260 Ed: that have graduated from the system and have stuck around 427 00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:30,810 Ed: because of (inaudible) success. And then a lot of 428 00:21:30,810 --> 00:21:34,350 Ed: people, Utah is... They call it, what do they call it, Little 429 00:21:34,350 --> 00:21:36,869 Ed: Silicon Slopes a little bit, a lot of big tech 430 00:21:36,869 --> 00:21:38,820 Ed: industry coming in there. So we just have a lot 431 00:21:38,820 --> 00:21:40,649 Ed: of really good people moving in from out of state 432 00:21:40,770 --> 00:21:43,170 Ed: who love running. And as we know, running is a 433 00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:47,220 Ed: wonderful community and people like Todd Garner who's been very 434 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:51,570 Ed: generous, very supportive, have also stepped up, and as a 435 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:54,420 Ed: result on any given Saturday long run, yes, we'll have 436 00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:57,060 Ed: Conner and Clayton and Kiera that are leading the charge 437 00:21:57,090 --> 00:21:58,980 Ed: in the men's pack and the women's pack, but we'll have 438 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:01,050 Ed: 40 plus people show up, some of whom are three 439 00:22:01,050 --> 00:22:03,629 Ed: hour plus marathoners, but they know, " Okay, this is a 440 00:22:03,630 --> 00:22:05,429 Ed: place where we're going to meet and there's going to 441 00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:08,609 Ed: be some support and some camaraderie and all of those 442 00:22:08,609 --> 00:22:10,919 Ed: good things." When you get... There's a certain amount of 443 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,250 Ed: synergy that comes when you have good people training together 444 00:22:14,250 --> 00:22:17,070 Ed: and also maybe not hanging with you in the workouts, 445 00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:19,980 Ed: but just supportive and know who your name is and 446 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:22,560 Ed: know what your name is and how to support you, 447 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,840 Ed: good things are going to happen. We've also had an 448 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:30,119 Ed: interesting development with the state legislature, a program called REP, 449 00:22:31,380 --> 00:22:37,859 Ed: which has done some state dollars donating towards the development 450 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:40,770 Ed: of distance running in the state, so kind of as 451 00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:42,960 Ed: a safety net for those college kids who come out 452 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,139 Ed: because not everybody is running well enough out of college 453 00:22:46,410 --> 00:22:49,770 Ed: to garner a shoe contract, which is kind of the 454 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:52,020 Ed: bread and butter of professional athletes, right? You got to 455 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:54,179 Ed: be able to have something to pay the rent, right? 456 00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:57,600 Ed: And the vast majority of kids out of college are 457 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,200 Ed: not at that level, but with some support, with some 458 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,690 Ed: maintenance, and it doesn't take a lot, sometimes it's just 459 00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:06,810 Ed: a matter of having an insurance program, health insurance or 460 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:11,790 Ed: access to PTs or athletic trainers, as a result of 461 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:14,730 Ed: those monies that have been invested by the state, we've 462 00:23:14,730 --> 00:23:17,190 Ed: seen I think a rise as well. 463 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,908 Sam: It's interesting. One thing that you just said that I 464 00:23:20,909 --> 00:23:23,250 Sam: want to go back to, you said not everybody is running well 465 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:26,909 Sam: enough out of college, the development of the runner and 466 00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:30,540 Sam: the distance runner. Can we talk about the maturation and 467 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:33,180 Sam: how long does that really take after college? 468 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:36,750 Ed: Yeah. Well, I was having a conversation with somebody the 469 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:41,310 Ed: other day because if you follow the sport, you probably were 470 00:23:41,310 --> 00:23:44,100 Ed: aware that a couple weeks ago at the LA Marathon, all of 471 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,950 Ed: a sudden we had this college kid, I think in 472 00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:49,290 Ed: his first year out of college, post- collegiately. He was 473 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:51,119 Ed: a two- time All- American, but he was not a 474 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,859 Ed: name that you would really know unless you were in the 475 00:23:52,859 --> 00:23:58,230 Ed: conference. Went out and on his debut ran 207, okay? So 476 00:23:58,950 --> 00:24:01,379 Ed: Rickman is his name and I'm drawing a blank on 477 00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:06,270 Ed: his first name, but... Did somebody... Matt. Okay, thank you. 478 00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:09,001 Ed: I always get... Dorian, when I'm working in Chicago, she's the one- 479 00:24:09,001 --> 00:24:11,280 Rob: Dorian Cale with the assist from the first row. Yeah. 480 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:11,460 Ed: Yes. 481 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,002 Rob: (inaudible) . 482 00:24:12,090 --> 00:24:16,830 Ed: Dorian is the one slipping me notes saying, "Okay, you're mispronouncing"- 483 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:17,191 Sam: You guys can cheer for Dorian. 484 00:24:17,191 --> 00:24:23,580 Ed: " You're mispronouncing that guy's name, you dummy. You gotta 485 00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:29,609 Ed: say it right." You need brains behind the whatever sometimes, 486 00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:33,359 Ed: and we appreciate Dorian. But yeah, so here's a guy 487 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,960 Ed: who it would be easy just to say, " Okay, ran 488 00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:40,050 Ed: D1 college, two time All- American. It's time to move 489 00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:44,340 Ed: on. I got a day job," or whatever, but he's continued 490 00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:46,560 Ed: and he gave himself a shot. He trained and he 491 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,770 Ed: went into his marathon and his debut ran sub 208, 492 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,790 Ed: okay? So my conversation with the team was, " Hey guys, 493 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,149 Ed: I think you owe it to yourselves, if it's a 494 00:24:57,150 --> 00:24:59,369 Ed: desire of yours"... I'm not going to push it. I 495 00:24:59,369 --> 00:25:00,930 Ed: am Easy E, right? I'm not going to push this 496 00:25:00,930 --> 00:25:03,690 Ed: goal onto them, but they should probably have as a 497 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:06,869 Ed: goal at some point in time post- collegiately to go 498 00:25:06,869 --> 00:25:09,090 Ed: run a marathon. Let's see, because we definitely have some 499 00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:12,000 Ed: people that are adapters that are much better at the 500 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,230 Ed: marathon than they would be even at the 5, 000, 10,000. There's 501 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:19,950 Ed: a pretty good correlation between 10K success and marathon success, 502 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:21,750 Ed: but it's not a one- to- one correlation by any 503 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,570 Ed: means. And sometimes you'll have people who are so- so 504 00:25:24,570 --> 00:25:30,929 Ed: at the 10,000 meters, but because of their efficiency in 505 00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:34,350 Ed: running and their fueling ability or the way their body 506 00:25:34,350 --> 00:25:37,290 Ed: spares fuel when they run, they can really make a step- 507 00:25:37,290 --> 00:25:40,950 Ed: up. So I think really most runners, especially, again, D1 508 00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:44,340 Ed: or whatever, college runners, probably owe it to themselves that, " 509 00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:46,350 Ed: Hey, let's give this marathon thing a shot." 510 00:25:47,550 --> 00:25:50,970 Rob: And I was in Orlando a year and change ago 511 00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:55,260 Rob: for the US Olympic trials and saw the incredible moment 512 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:57,899 Rob: that two of your runners, Clayton and Conner had, and 513 00:25:58,140 --> 00:26:01,200 Rob: now here we are past the Olympics where they also 514 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,420 Rob: had an incredible day. I was in Paris to watch 515 00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:06,720 Rob: them both cross the finish line in the top 10, and the 516 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,230 Rob: strength from the two of them just continues to build. 517 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:13,440 Rob: So looking ahead to Monday, I'd love to get inside 518 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,760 Rob: your conversations with both Clayton and Conner getting ready for 519 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,419 Rob: this race on Monday. How are you talking to them 520 00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:24,840 Rob: about the way this race might play out and the 521 00:26:24,869 --> 00:26:28,590 Rob: expectations that both of them have in terms of what 522 00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:32,430 Rob: they can do? Clayton has been running strong, Conner just 523 00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:35,790 Rob: coming off of a American record in the half. A 524 00:26:35,790 --> 00:26:37,649 Rob: lot of people right now are talking about him as 525 00:26:37,650 --> 00:26:41,130 Rob: someone who could be podium or better, so different conversations, 526 00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:44,490 Rob: I'm sure. Let's start with Clayton and how you think he 527 00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:47,820 Rob: can approach this race on Monday. What looks like a 528 00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:48,510 Rob: good race for him? 529 00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:52,500 Ed: Yeah. Well, I think Clayton, and many of you are probably following 530 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:58,379 Ed: along. We often have a documentarian at every workout. For 531 00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:00,119 Ed: those of you who are on YouTube and follow Clayton 532 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,520 Ed: Young, he's got a series that's very, very well done and I think 533 00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:04,830 Ed: it gives you a little bit of an inside peek 534 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:07,560 Ed: of the psyche of elite marathoners and what they're going 535 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,540 Ed: through and whatnot. And we had an excellent build going 536 00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:15,270 Ed: into Paris I felt and a pretty good build going into 537 00:27:15,270 --> 00:27:18,719 Ed: New York. This build, and when I say build, it's 538 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,000 Ed: usually kind of a 16- week program that we follow, 539 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,830 Ed: this week or this build coming into Boston, when we're 540 00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:28,020 Ed: training for spring marathons in Utah, it can be a little 541 00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:30,540 Ed: dicey, right? Because we're in the winter. People fly out 542 00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:32,820 Ed: to Utah to ski in the winter time. They don't 543 00:27:32,820 --> 00:27:35,340 Ed: come out to train for marathons. So sometimes it can 544 00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:37,260 Ed: be a little hit- and- miss because of the weather. 545 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,830 Ed: But Clayton's had a really nice build and I think 546 00:27:40,830 --> 00:27:45,270 Ed: he gauges somewhat where he's at relative to his proximity 547 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:48,480 Ed: to his training partner, Conner Mantz, because Conner's just famous 548 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,669 Ed: for going out and just hammering every workout. And I'll 549 00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:53,699 Ed: give him, " Okay, let's try to hit around 418 on 550 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,220 Ed: these mile repeats," and Conner will roll in at 412 and it's like, " 551 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,310 Ed: Conner, that's a little fast there." And Clayton's going, " Conner, 552 00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:04,680 Ed: that's really fast." They get along really well, but sometimes 553 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,879 Ed: they're like an old married couple because inevitably Conner is 554 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,520 Ed: driving the workout pretty fast and Clayton's holding on with 555 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:17,939 Ed: his fingernails. But he's come into this, as you alluded 556 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:24,179 Ed: to Conner Mantz coming into this 16- week cycle. I 557 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:28,740 Ed: like to schedule races periodically because I think having races 558 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:30,720 Ed: during your marathon build, I think there's a couple of 559 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,060 Ed: good things that come about as a result of that. 560 00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:36,480 Ed: One, you avoid the what I call all your eggs 561 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,270 Ed: in one basket syndrome where you're just training for six 562 00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:40,680 Ed: months and it's one race and then you get a 563 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,430 Ed: cramp or something and it's like, " Oh crud, what do I have 564 00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:45,960 Ed: to show for my six months?" So I like to 565 00:28:46,170 --> 00:28:48,330 Ed: have a couple of races in there so they can 566 00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:51,480 Ed: go and have other races and try to get PRs 567 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,460 Ed: or just see where they're at. I think it's a good 568 00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:57,150 Ed: checkpoint to see where am I in my training, at 569 00:28:57,150 --> 00:28:59,580 Ed: least in the shorter distances, and that can really instill 570 00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:02,760 Ed: some confidence. And I think it also forces them for 571 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,219 Ed: about a week as they go into this to taper 572 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:07,290 Ed: down just a little bit, because sometimes they'll be hammering 573 00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:12,120 Ed: out anywhere from 115 to 125 miles a week and it's nice 574 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,750 Ed: to have a half- marathon or in Conner and Clayton's case, two half- 575 00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:19,860 Ed: marathons over this 16- week build where they were able 576 00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:22,380 Ed: to actually bring the mileage down a little bit because 577 00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:23,730 Ed: if they're going to run a race, I want them 578 00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:26,310 Ed: to go into it fresh enough that they're going to 579 00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:28,440 Ed: be able to perform to the best of their ability. 580 00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:33,570 Ed: And so in Conner's case, he got the American record 581 00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:36,450 Ed: in Houston and had an amazing race and it was 582 00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:39,630 Ed: a pretty windy day. It was not ideal conditions. And 583 00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:42,030 Ed: then he followed that up about I think five weeks 584 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:43,860 Ed: ago at the New York City half, which I think you were 585 00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:45,570 Ed: there, Sam, weren't you, covering it? 586 00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:45,990 Rob: Yep. 587 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,420 Ed: And he ran even faster there. Because of the logistics 588 00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:54,570 Ed: of that course, it's not eligible for American record purposes 589 00:29:54,570 --> 00:29:57,300 Ed: because it's point to point, but had another really good... 590 00:29:57,420 --> 00:30:00,570 Ed: Ran faster on what I consider a hillier and more 591 00:30:00,570 --> 00:30:01,890 Ed: difficult course than Houston. 592 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,460 Rob: Definitely. 593 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:06,960 Ed: So those were really good checkpoints for Conner Mantz. Now, 594 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,790 Ed: Clayton went into... ran Houston. Ran solid, not amazing. I 595 00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:14,250 Ed: think we all thought he'd run closer to one hour 596 00:30:14,250 --> 00:30:18,270 Ed: flat and he was one hour and 50s or something 597 00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:20,580 Ed: like that. So he came away from it a little scratching 598 00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:23,910 Ed: his head going, " I think I just made some tactical decisions." 599 00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:26,130 Ed: It was a windy day. He didn't go with the leaders, 600 00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:29,070 Ed: so he got kind of no man's land. So we go, " 601 00:30:29,070 --> 00:30:31,950 Ed: Okay, we'll work on tactics on that." And then he 602 00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:36,090 Ed: ran the Atlanta half, which was the US half- marathon 603 00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:39,060 Ed: championships and really just had an off day. His back 604 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:42,960 Ed: tightened and his lower kind of hamstring chain. And that's 605 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,330 Ed: the other thing that happens. I think when we schedule 606 00:30:45,330 --> 00:30:49,620 Ed: races during a build, sometimes we can identify maybe some 607 00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:52,920 Ed: weaknesses in where we're at. And so I think that 608 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,130 Ed: was a really good opportunity for the last... That was about 609 00:30:56,130 --> 00:30:58,650 Ed: seven, eight weeks ago. He's had a chance to meet 610 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:01,320 Ed: with his PTs, do some strength and conditioning with our 611 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,510 Ed: strength and conditioning coach a little bit, all to the 612 00:31:03,510 --> 00:31:06,750 Ed: workouts, and for the last four or five weeks, he's 613 00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:11,880 Ed: been back running closer to Conner, so actually closing the 614 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,550 Ed: gap a little bit. And so much of the sport, 615 00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:18,660 Ed: if it can't be seamless, which rarely is it, then 616 00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:23,580 Ed: it's all about momentum, and he's hitting momentum. He's hitting at 617 00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:27,390 Ed: the right time. So I'm hoping in Clayton's case that 618 00:31:27,390 --> 00:31:30,120 Ed: we can ride this momentum to a really good performance, 619 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,480 Ed: and by good performance, with this field that they've put 620 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,760 Ed: together, I think Conner and Clayton, although they're 207 high 621 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:44,820 Ed: and 208 flat PRs, I think they're the 16th and 17th best times coming in, okay? 622 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:46,890 Ed: So that can have you scratching your head and going, " 623 00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:49,500 Ed: Do they even have a chance?" But what I take 624 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:53,430 Ed: solace in is that head to head in strategic non- 625 00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:58,380 Ed: paced races, the Olympic Games, they've been beating 204 guys 626 00:31:58,470 --> 00:32:02,370 Ed: consistently. So that's what we're hoping for. We're hoping that 627 00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:05,850 Ed: it's just a grinder and that they can do their 628 00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:08,490 Ed: strength and it's not going to be (inaudible) . We 629 00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:11,910 Ed: saw Lima last year just take it out and fly. 630 00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:13,560 Ed: Got a big minute and a half lead I think 631 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,840 Ed: at one point in time, and that may happen again, 632 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,110 Ed: but I would think that Conner, you're going to see 633 00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:21,930 Ed: him running with the lead pack, even if they do 634 00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:24,810 Ed: go a little bit breakneck at the start, and I 635 00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:26,940 Ed: don't think Clayton's going to be too far behind. They're 636 00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:30,780 Ed: both engineers by training. They both graduated in engineering, and 637 00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:34,290 Ed: so it's fun to see their technical approach to it. 638 00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:38,130 Ed: Talking to Conner just a couple days ago, we had said, " 639 00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:40,770 Ed: Okay." I gave him a homework assignment and said, "Let's look at the last 10 years. 640 00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:43,080 Ed: Let's look at the first half, second half of Boston. 641 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,440 Ed: Let's do a little analytics and see what's up." And 642 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,900 Ed: the takeaway that he came into my office with, he said, " 643 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:53,220 Ed: Coach, what I've noticed is that whoever can run 103 644 00:32:53,220 --> 00:32:56,130 Ed: for the second half is going to be in position 645 00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:58,680 Ed: or the winner I think in the last 10 years 646 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,290 Ed: on the men's side to run 103 for the second 647 00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:04,980 Ed: half. I think I can do that." So it's how 648 00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:07,979 Ed: they get to that second half is the thing that 649 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:09,900 Ed: will help determine a lot of things. But I think 650 00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:12,990 Ed: if we see kind of how it is sometimes, even 651 00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:15,150 Ed: though it's downhill, sometimes it can be kind of a 652 00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:17,100 Ed: pack run. Nobody really wants to take it. No one 653 00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:20,010 Ed: wants to be the sacrificial lamb out front. I think 654 00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:23,700 Ed: if they get to half at a not 61 pace, 655 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:27,840 Ed: but more like 62 or 63, then I think Conner 656 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,520 Ed: is going to have a great shot, and I think 657 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,350 Ed: that's also the best game plan for Clayton. 658 00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:34,260 Sam: I am so in awe with the technical side of 659 00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:37,440 Sam: it and the numbers and the crunching numbers in your 660 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,700 Sam: head while this is transpiring, but when you talk about 661 00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:45,810 Sam: the momentum and sprinkling those races in, and especially what 662 00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:50,430 Sam: we saw Conner do, how much of this... There's technical, 663 00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:54,180 Sam: there's experience, but then how much of this is confidence 664 00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:59,160 Sam: also? How much of this is a confidence build, especially coming off 665 00:33:59,250 --> 00:34:00,540 Sam: Houston and the NYC half? 666 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,830 Ed: Yeah. Well, I think Conner, in fact, I was in 667 00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:07,350 Ed: LA with my college team, so I missed the press 668 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:10,469 Ed: conference, but I listened to all the various things, and what 669 00:34:10,469 --> 00:34:14,670 Ed: came away for me was him, Conner Mantz, reiterating how 670 00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:17,640 Ed: confident he is going into this and the fact that 671 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,719 Ed: it took... So this will be his seventh marathon and 672 00:34:22,290 --> 00:34:25,920 Ed: I think Clayton's as well, and his second marathon was 673 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,160 Ed: two years ago here. So he had run Chicago, run 674 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,410 Ed: well there and then came into this and he just 675 00:34:31,410 --> 00:34:33,149 Ed: put himself in it because that's the way he loves 676 00:34:33,150 --> 00:34:36,090 Ed: to do it. He just followed every move and he went out really 677 00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:39,359 Ed: probably too hard for his experiential level at the time, 678 00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:41,340 Ed: and then he really suffered at the end and I think 679 00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:45,810 Ed: faded to... I think he ended up 10th or 11th place. And he said, " 680 00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:48,420 Ed: That really shook me. That really shook me, because it was like 681 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:51,450 Ed: this is the first time when I was blacking out," something that we've 682 00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:54,569 Ed: all experienced ourselves if we've run enough marathons where you're 683 00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:58,980 Ed: kind of seeing stars, and he wasn't used to that 684 00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:01,410 Ed: because he was really a track guy who was just moving 685 00:35:01,410 --> 00:35:04,859 Ed: up. And so I think he learned and he had some 686 00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:08,819 Ed: good takeaways from that, so that experiential factor comes into 687 00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:12,120 Ed: play. And the fact that he's done so well in 688 00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:15,750 Ed: the last four marathons that he's run, and if you go through 689 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,480 Ed: the marathons that these guys have run, really, they ran 690 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,190 Ed: Chicago two years ago. To get their qualifying mark, they 691 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:26,190 Ed: had to run under 208 to get the world standard. Then 692 00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:28,440 Ed: they followed up with the Olympic trials where they went 693 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,890 Ed: one, two, then they followed that up with Paris where 694 00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:34,350 Ed: they went eight, nine. 695 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:35,219 Rob: Eight, nine. 696 00:35:35,219 --> 00:35:38,250 Ed: Eight, nine. Yep. And then they followed that up with 697 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,540 Ed: New York, where they went seven, eight. Okay, and that's 698 00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:45,600 Ed: the amazing thing. I mean, I've seen larger gaps between 699 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,930 Ed: Conner and Clayton when they're doing mile repeats than if 700 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:51,780 Ed: you look at the average. I think the average of 701 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:54,000 Ed: those six marathons has been about 16 seconds. 702 00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:55,020 Rob: It's incredible. 703 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:57,989 Ed: They each have their own way to get where they're 704 00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:01,230 Ed: at. Conner has to just hammer, hammer, hammer. Clayton is 705 00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:03,750 Ed: holding on for life and often his back, but he's 706 00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:08,069 Ed: still pushing it pretty well as well. But success breeds 707 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:11,580 Ed: success, Sam, to answer your question. And I think that the 708 00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:13,620 Ed: success that they've had, particularly over the last four or 709 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:19,050 Ed: so marathons, is going to make them less conservative and more, " 710 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,169 Ed: Hey, let's swing for the fences." This is Boston, after all. 711 00:36:22,739 --> 00:36:25,710 Rob: All right, Easy E, let's talk about your newest female 712 00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:31,020 Rob: pupil, Kiera D'Amato, who obviously is an elite American runner. 713 00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:34,920 Rob: Let's talk about the move that she made last summer. 714 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,250 Rob: She made the decision to come out to Utah. She's 715 00:36:38,250 --> 00:36:41,549 Rob: not from Utah. She made a decision to come there. 716 00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:44,700 Rob: It was a family decision. She had to work with 717 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:47,100 Rob: her husband and they've got kids, and this was a really 718 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:50,310 Rob: big commitment she made to come train with you and this 719 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:53,130 Rob: group that you've got out there in Utah. Can you 720 00:36:53,130 --> 00:36:56,430 Rob: talk about what led up to that decision? I mean, I know you guys had 721 00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:59,219 Rob: worked together in the broadcast booth in Chicago. You got 722 00:36:59,219 --> 00:37:01,799 Rob: to know each other there. What were the conversations and 723 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,879 Rob: what was the ultimate conversation when she said, " Coach, I 724 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,901 Rob: still want to come out and run with you"? 725 00:37:06,901 --> 00:37:12,060 Ed: Yeah. I mean, I think it's like anything. Before you make that first phone call, you kind of vet 726 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,380 Ed: people and individuals. I had some really good experiences working 727 00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:19,650 Ed: with Jared Ward as his coach, and I think Jared 728 00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:24,239 Ed: and Kiera were probably... She knew him quite well from 729 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,500 Ed: their world championships and just the elite circuit so to 730 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,950 Ed: speak, and so I think she was kind of trying 731 00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:34,980 Ed: to find out what kind of system we were operating 732 00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:41,670 Ed: under. And it's an interesting system because back in my 733 00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:45,570 Ed: days I felt like... And I was following in the 734 00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:48,989 Ed: footsteps of all American and Olympians like Henry Marsh, Doug 735 00:37:48,989 --> 00:37:53,580 Ed: Padilla, Paul Cummings. I saw that they were doing in 736 00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:55,440 Ed: six days what a lot of people were doing in 737 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,330 Ed: seven days. And so I said, " Kiera, we'd like to 738 00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:01,620 Ed: just do it in six days and then I'd like 739 00:38:01,620 --> 00:38:03,420 Ed: to give you a day off and I'd love to have 740 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:05,580 Ed: you just kind of chill that day and just let 741 00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:09,899 Ed: your body just soak in recovery during that day." And 742 00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:14,160 Ed: I think it's not unusual to have runners occasionally take 743 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,920 Ed: a day off, but one out of seven, it doesn't 744 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,160 Ed: happen a whole lot. But I think she understood and 745 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,480 Ed: she said, " Ed, I'm all in. I'm all in. You 746 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,580 Ed: tell me what to do and I'm up for it," which the 747 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:30,719 Ed: coach loves to hear, and obviously she's had great experience. 748 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,960 Ed: I wanted to do what had worked for her in 749 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,630 Ed: the past. And also, I think the altitude component was 750 00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:40,290 Ed: an important one for her to check out. And so 751 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,610 Ed: she came in I think early in the summer and 752 00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:48,330 Ed: we had a wonderful build. And as things happen, sometimes 753 00:38:48,330 --> 00:38:51,719 Ed: you have a wonderful build and the week before all 754 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,880 Ed: of a sudden there's a little something going on in 755 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,450 Ed: the foot, and so she ended up not performing in 756 00:38:57,450 --> 00:39:01,080 Ed: Chicago, ended up DNFing from there. And then it was 757 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:07,230 Ed: a matter of, "Okay, let's figure out what we got going on here. Let's get you healthy." And so she cross- 758 00:39:07,230 --> 00:39:11,040 Ed: trained for... There's cross- training where you just get on the 759 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,260 Ed: exercise bike and you just kind of pedal a little bit, 760 00:39:13,260 --> 00:39:15,540 Ed: and then there's cross- training where there's a pool of 761 00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:18,509 Ed: sweat underneath you when you finish, and that's the kind 762 00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:22,319 Ed: that she was doing. But we have had a great 763 00:39:22,410 --> 00:39:25,320 Ed: kind of 12 weeks where she's been running on ground, 764 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,279 Ed: looking good, and I'm very excited for her prospects as 765 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,250 Ed: well. She'd be the first to admit, she's turned 40 766 00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:36,299 Ed: now, so she's a master. I think that offers some 767 00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:40,020 Ed: excellent incentivizing as well to be the very best master 768 00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:40,500 Ed: that you can be. 769 00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:44,400 Rob: What's it been like for the other young women you've 770 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,129 Rob: got in that program out there in Utah to run 771 00:39:47,370 --> 00:39:51,180 Rob: with the Kiera D'Amano? What has that meant for them? An idol for 772 00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:53,460 Rob: all of them, I'm sure, and really someone for them 773 00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:54,029 Rob: to learn from. 774 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,580 Ed: Well, like I say, that Saturday long run, there's a 775 00:39:56,580 --> 00:39:59,910 Ed: lot more people showing up and a lot more women 776 00:39:59,910 --> 00:40:03,480 Ed: showing up than there used to be. Courtney Frerichs, who's 777 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,840 Ed: an Olympic silver medalist in the steeplechase from 2021, suffered 778 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,520 Ed: a really major knee injury last year. And then I 779 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,800 Ed: got a call from her coach in the fall saying, " Hey"... I mean, 780 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,020 Ed: not her coach, but her agent saying, " Hey, she'd like 781 00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:21,000 Ed: to come out to Utah. She's heard good things about 782 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,640 Ed: it," and it's been fun having her in the system 783 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,819 Ed: and it's fun to see a marathoner and a steeplechaser 784 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,570 Ed: working together, and there's a lot of workouts that cross 785 00:40:30,570 --> 00:40:32,190 Ed: over very well for the two of them to work 786 00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:35,760 Ed: together. So it been great. It's been encouraging. It's awesome for 787 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,850 Ed: the whole running community in the area to see these 788 00:40:38,850 --> 00:40:41,790 Ed: Olympians and American record holders there training and they go, " 789 00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:44,430 Ed: You know what? These are not just fast runners, but 790 00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:47,819 Ed: they're really, really cool people." And I think that's what 791 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,660 Ed: I'm most proud about is it's a very good group. 792 00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:55,410 Ed: It's non- competitive in terms of... I mean, everyone is 793 00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:58,860 Ed: building one another and sometimes that's difficult at the highest 794 00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:01,800 Ed: level. I'm sure you've experienced that in broadcasting or wherever, 795 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,560 Ed: what line of work you're in. Sometimes it's like there's that, what is 796 00:41:05,010 --> 00:41:10,200 Ed: that, schadenfreude, where you're almost wanting them to fail. But 797 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,239 Ed: what I love about our group and our system right 798 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,890 Ed: now is there's a lot of building and celebration when 799 00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:18,030 Ed: somebody in the group runs well. 800 00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:21,210 Sam: When you talk about Keira, and this is someone who wasn't 801 00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:26,910 Sam: running competitively for a brief time and now you talked 802 00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:29,130 Sam: about the build to Chicago and then what happened there, but 803 00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:32,759 Sam: now the rebuild for Boston, what has impressed you the 804 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,350 Sam: most since she's been with you? 805 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:43,650 Ed: Yeah. I think it's just her determination and just contagious positivity. That's who she 806 00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:46,830 Ed: is. And if you have the chance to talk to her, I've never heard her 807 00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:52,379 Ed: say one negative thing, and that's contagious. The flip side 808 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:54,390 Ed: of that can be contagious too, and it can be 809 00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:59,250 Ed: kind of terminal sometimes. But to have such a positive 810 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:02,219 Ed: person come into the group. I think that's the number 811 00:42:02,219 --> 00:42:04,770 Ed: one thing. And I think that's the thing that once 812 00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:08,340 Ed: she had taken that several year break to actually just 813 00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:11,370 Ed: start a family and pursue a professional career and all 814 00:42:11,370 --> 00:42:13,290 Ed: of that, I think that's the thing that got her 815 00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:16,890 Ed: back. She didn't initially start back up after that multiple 816 00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:20,010 Ed: year layoff saying, " I'm going to get the American record." It's like, " Hey, 817 00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:21,600 Ed: I'm going to run this marathon and I'm going to 818 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,080 Ed: see how I do." And then all of a sudden the times 819 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,489 Ed: were coming off by the tens of minutes and she 820 00:42:29,489 --> 00:42:30,420 Ed: set the American record. 821 00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:33,930 Rob: Well, coach Eyestone, you're a baseball fan. I'm a baseball 822 00:42:33,930 --> 00:42:36,989 Rob: fan. We're sitting here feet from Fenway Park hearing the 823 00:42:36,989 --> 00:42:39,840 Rob: cheers from the audience and the crowd over there with 824 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,060 Rob: a game going on. But running's been pretty good to 825 00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:45,270 Rob: you, hasn't it? So its been a pretty good run, 826 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:45,989 Rob: if you will. 827 00:42:45,989 --> 00:42:46,320 Ed: Well- 828 00:42:46,350 --> 00:42:47,580 Rob: Where do you think it goes from here? 829 00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:48,120 Sam: Pun intended. 830 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,320 Ed: Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I had a high school reunion. It 831 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,100 Ed: wasn't the 50, no, but I think it was, we'll 832 00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:57,930 Ed: call it the 25- year reunion. It was more than 833 00:42:57,930 --> 00:43:00,509 Ed: that, but it was this last summer we had a 834 00:43:00,510 --> 00:43:03,150 Ed: high school reunion, and since we had had a really 835 00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:05,910 Ed: fun experience at the Olympic Games, and we didn't talk 836 00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:08,489 Ed: about Kenneth Rooks, who got the silver medal in the 837 00:43:08,489 --> 00:43:11,279 Ed: steeplechase, which was for me the race of the games, 838 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,060 Ed: but of course because I'm his coach, but they had 839 00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:17,370 Ed: me do a little spiel on the Olympics and what 840 00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:21,360 Ed: Paris was like and my experience, and I've been to 841 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,969 Ed: probably six or seven Olympic Games as either an athlete 842 00:43:23,969 --> 00:43:27,690 Ed: or a coach or a broadcaster. And I thought that 843 00:43:27,690 --> 00:43:35,430 Ed: Paris just was phenomenal the way they put things together, but yeah, and I don't know where I was going with that. 844 00:43:35,489 --> 00:43:37,231 Rob: It's been fun. You've had a great, great time- 845 00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:37,232 Ed: It's been good. It's been great. 846 00:43:37,231 --> 00:43:39,300 Rob: ... and you're doing amazing things. 847 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:45,840 Sam: I just have one more question. Obviously, most runners feel 848 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,540 Sam: some kind of jitters the night before a race, the 849 00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:54,000 Sam: night before a marathon or anxiety, something. It means we're 850 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,120 Sam: human and we don't know how it's going to go. 851 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,310 Sam: We have a plan. What do you feel? 852 00:44:00,509 --> 00:44:03,629 Ed: Yeah. As a coach, I think I'd like to be 853 00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:06,509 Ed: able to channel all the nerves that my athletes have and say, " Let 854 00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:08,880 Ed: me take this on for you guys." But there is 855 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,630 Ed: a certain amount of butterflies that you want to have 856 00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:14,250 Ed: as an athlete. But I think if they can be 857 00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:19,500 Ed: reminded that it's enjoy the process, don't be so out... 858 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:20,969 Ed: If you go in and say, " I've got to run 859 00:44:20,969 --> 00:44:23,730 Ed: 204," that just puts a lot of pressure on you. 860 00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:26,670 Ed: So instead, if you can enjoy the process, make sure 861 00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:29,640 Ed: you're getting your water bottles, going, " Okay, I feel comfortable 862 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,489 Ed: in this pack, I'm going to position myself." And if 863 00:44:32,489 --> 00:44:36,420 Ed: you're enjoying the process and just each mile along the 864 00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:38,940 Ed: way, then lo and behold, a couple hours go by 865 00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:41,400 Ed: and you're crossing the finish line. And I think that's 866 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,310 Ed: a really good way to kind of embrace those nerves 867 00:44:44,489 --> 00:44:46,020 Ed: and get you your best performance. 868 00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:49,920 Rob: Coach Eyestone, I can't wait to see what your runners do 869 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,300 Rob: on Monday. I'm sure you can't either. 870 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:51,451 Ed: I'm excited. 871 00:44:51,451 --> 00:44:52,080 Sam: I'm so excited, yeah. 872 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,029 Ed: I'm excited. I'm getting nervous here. 873 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,810 Rob: Because it's more nerve wracking when you're the one coaching 874 00:44:57,810 --> 00:45:01,380 Rob: and not running, I know. So get ready. Get ready. 875 00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:02,280 Rob: Get some rest. 876 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:02,790 Ed: I'm ready. 877 00:45:03,390 --> 00:45:05,161 Rob: And we wish you all the best on Monday. 878 00:45:05,161 --> 00:45:06,211 Ed: I appreciate it. 879 00:45:06,210 --> 00:45:09,270 Rob: And for your whole team, all your runners, for you, 880 00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:12,330 Rob: continued success. Thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate 881 00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:12,931 Rob: it. Great having you here. 882 00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:13,560 Ed: Thank you. Thanks guys. 883 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:19,950 Rob: Ed Eyestone, Coach Ed Eyestone. Easy E- 884 00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:20,220 Sam: Easy E, that's right. 885 00:45:20,219 --> 00:45:24,000 Rob: ... here in the House of Blues where he belongs 886 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,340 Rob: as he gets ready for the 129th Boston Marathon on 887 00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:32,100 Rob: Monday. Well, usually this is the point in the show 888 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,890 Rob: where we go to Meb Keflezighi. He does a little Meb Minute 889 00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:37,980 Rob: for us, Sam, but Meb's a little busy. He's here in 890 00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:40,770 Rob: Boston, but he's actually going to be broadcasting the race 891 00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:44,100 Rob: for ESPN on Monday, which we can't wait to see. 892 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:47,070 Rob: He's been so great in the broadcast business. Can't wait 893 00:45:47,070 --> 00:45:48,211 Rob: to watch Meb. 894 00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:49,080 Sam: He was at the 5K today. 895 00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:52,529 Rob: Yes, exactly. Meb is a legend obviously here in Boston 896 00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:54,660 Rob: with his win here. You can't walk around with him 897 00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:57,150 Rob: without people stopping him on the street. So he's busy 898 00:45:57,150 --> 00:46:00,630 Rob: getting ready for his broadcast. But instead, we've got actually 899 00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:05,190 Rob: some great advice for our runners, from Lauren Thomas, who is 900 00:46:05,310 --> 00:46:08,580 Rob: a performance dietitian from Morton. Morton, of course, is our 901 00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:11,880 Rob: partner at New York Road Runners, the company behind all 902 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,060 Rob: the great fuels that so many of the runners are using 903 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:17,850 Rob: right now, the gels and the drinks and all of 904 00:46:17,850 --> 00:46:19,500 Rob: that. And so Lauren, thanks for coming up and talking 905 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:20,489 Rob: fueling with us a little bit. 906 00:46:20,759 --> 00:46:21,060 Lauren: Thank you. 907 00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:21,061 Rob: How are you doing? 908 00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:21,120 Lauren: Excited to be here. 909 00:46:24,750 --> 00:46:27,120 Sam: So we know Morton will be along the course, and 910 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,730 Sam: I've tried it, so I know you're not supposed to 911 00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:32,310 Sam: try something new on Marathon Day, so once I saw 912 00:46:32,310 --> 00:46:33,870 Sam: that, I tried it. Love it. 913 00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:35,611 Rob: So you tried it two days before marathon day. Much better. Are you going to use it? What do you think? 914 00:46:35,611 --> 00:46:35,612 Sam: Absolutely. 915 00:46:35,611 --> 00:46:36,030 Rob: All right. She's in. 916 00:46:39,989 --> 00:46:48,030 Sam: Absolutely. Absolutely. Tell us about what runners can expect. I 917 00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:50,730 Sam: mean, obviously most of us have tried it, but what 918 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:52,980 Sam: makes this effective and helpful? 919 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,570 Lauren: Yeah, absolutely. Super excited to be on course at Boston 920 00:46:57,570 --> 00:47:00,960 Lauren: and of course New York as well, but the Morton 921 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,799 Lauren: gel is going to be easy to digest. The idea 922 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,500 Lauren: is that it disappears from the stomach, right? So it's 923 00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:12,089 Lauren: giving quick carbohydrate to the muscles to get the energy 924 00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:15,060 Lauren: that the athlete needs and then moving through the body. 925 00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:18,960 Lauren: So the hope is that the athletes can really just 926 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,000 Lauren: get that energy and move on with their run. 927 00:47:21,930 --> 00:47:24,719 Rob: I started using Morton myself about a year ago. I 928 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,860 Rob: ran Berlin with Morton in Tokyo. In Tokyo, I found 929 00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:31,320 Rob: it was really helpful. I bought a couple days before 930 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,810 Rob: the race the race pack that you guys put together 931 00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:37,500 Rob: that has a mix for drinks, right, so drink a 932 00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,560 Rob: certain amount the day before, a certain amount the morning 933 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,870 Rob: of the race, and then it gave you the gels, 934 00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:46,230 Rob: I think it was five gels to use exactly every, 935 00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:48,779 Rob: I forget, a certain number of kilometers I think. So 936 00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:51,450 Rob: it gave you a plan of exactly what to do, 937 00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:53,520 Rob: which for someone like me, I really needed because I 938 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,730 Rob: had never quite gotten the fueling thing. So can you 939 00:47:56,730 --> 00:48:00,480 Rob: talk about that aspect of having a fueling plan for 940 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,820 Rob: runners and how you guys can help them do that? 941 00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:06,300 Lauren: Yeah, absolutely. So the idea is to think about nutrition 942 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,790 Lauren: just like you would your training and have a plan 943 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:12,210 Lauren: that you're following and that you're training your stomach just like 944 00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:14,670 Lauren: you would train your muscles. So the idea is you're 945 00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:17,610 Lauren: arriving at marathon day and you have exactly what you're 946 00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:21,270 Lauren: going to be doing for your fueling standpoint done and 947 00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:25,320 Lauren: completely confident in it. So our idea from the nutrition 948 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,560 Lauren: team was, " Hey, can we educate the runners on, " Hey, 949 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,750 Lauren: not just during the race, but what are you doing before 950 00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:33,090 Lauren: the race? What are you doing the night before the race?" 951 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,480 Lauren: And then recommend the carbohydrates that we see in the 952 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,160 Lauren: research really make a big difference and guide that for 953 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,680 Lauren: the runner throughout their journey to make sure that they 954 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,360 Lauren: can show up at mile 13 still feeling really good 955 00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:51,390 Lauren: because they've already fueled from the very beginning. That's the 956 00:48:51,390 --> 00:48:53,551 Lauren: goal, right? Fueling from the start of the race. 957 00:48:53,551 --> 00:48:55,620 Rob: Yeah. Once you start to feel bad. 958 00:48:55,739 --> 00:48:55,921 Lauren: It's too late. 959 00:48:55,921 --> 00:48:56,250 Rob: It's too late. 960 00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:57,000 Sam: It's too late. 961 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,680 Rob: The fuel is not going to give you what you need. 962 00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:03,210 Sam: And so important during the buildup and during the training. 963 00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:07,469 Sam: How important is it early on just to try what 964 00:49:07,469 --> 00:49:10,380 Sam: works and really implement a plan? 965 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,090 Lauren: It's so important. It's so important. And everybody is so individual with 966 00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:17,370 Lauren: what they're going to like, what they're going to tolerate 967 00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:21,300 Lauren: at first, and you have to try things over and 968 00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:23,969 Lauren: over to figure out what your plan is going to 969 00:49:23,969 --> 00:49:27,029 Lauren: be, and then you have full trust in that. So 970 00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:31,230 Lauren: the Morton is based off of being able to tolerate, 971 00:49:32,070 --> 00:49:34,890 Lauren: really easy on the stomach and be able to, again, 972 00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:38,489 Lauren: give those athletes those higher amounts of carbs that we 973 00:49:38,489 --> 00:49:41,969 Lauren: see the elites pushing because all of us are going 974 00:49:41,969 --> 00:49:44,489 Lauren: to benefit from more carbohydrate availability. 975 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,969 Rob: What do you think is the best strategy with the caffeinated 976 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,810 Rob: gel? I tried... I think I used one of them 977 00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:55,350 Rob: right at the start in Tokyo. It gave me that 978 00:49:55,350 --> 00:49:59,040 Rob: little burst, which was useful. Where do you recommend, for 979 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,600 Rob: those who use caffeine, people try those, and what's the 980 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:04,469 Rob: best strategy with them? 981 00:50:04,770 --> 00:50:09,360 Lauren: Yeah, caffeine is so individual with tolerance, but those of 982 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,279 Lauren: us who are daily coffee drinkers and certainly familiar with 983 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,810 Lauren: caffeine, I would recommend have one at the start on 984 00:50:18,810 --> 00:50:21,870 Lauren: the starting line 10 minutes prior to go time, and 985 00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:25,379 Lauren: then integrate one maybe at the halfway. And that way 986 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:28,379 Lauren: you know that caffeine can take a while to hit 987 00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:31,170 Lauren: peak in your bloodstream, so you're giving it some time, 988 00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:35,160 Lauren: getting the caffeine along with the carbohydrate, and then getting 989 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,300 Lauren: another burst later. So we're not going all six caffeine 990 00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,210 Lauren: gels, we're not going all six non caffeine gels, but 991 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,390 Lauren: maybe all alternating and sticking one midway can be a 992 00:50:45,390 --> 00:50:47,610 Lauren: helpful way to approach that. 993 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,350 Sam: Most of us aren't elite athletes. There are elites out 994 00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:55,710 Sam: there who they fuel a different way and they train 995 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,690 Sam: differently than someone like me. But how much can we 996 00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:05,580 Sam: take from that and can we learn from their buildup 997 00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:08,310 Sam: and their fueling? How effective can that be for the 998 00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:09,000 Sam: everyday runner? 999 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:14,100 Lauren: Yeah, and I think Morton is very athlete first, and 1000 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,440 Lauren: we learn just as much from our runners and our 1001 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,250 Lauren: elites as we do from our everyday runner, you and 1002 00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:23,430 Lauren: me. And I think what we can learn is that 1003 00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:28,950 Lauren: fueling is only the beginning of being able to understand 1004 00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:31,560 Lauren: how your body works. So how can we make sure 1005 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,920 Lauren: that an athlete is pushing those limits that they thought 1006 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,960 Lauren: they maybe weren't even realizing was the limit? So I 1007 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,210 Lauren: think a lot of times I'll hear athletes say, " I 1008 00:51:42,210 --> 00:51:44,370 Lauren: didn't know I could feel this good at the end 1009 00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:47,129 Lauren: of a race." And that's where fueling really comes in. " 1010 00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:49,049 Lauren: Well, I was taking a gel every hour. I thought 1011 00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:52,650 Lauren: that was fine." And sure it is, but what if 1012 00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:56,430 Lauren: you increase that and can you get to that last 1013 00:51:56,430 --> 00:51:59,340 Lauren: 5K feeling strong? That's going to be a whole different 1014 00:51:59,340 --> 00:52:01,739 Lauren: end of the race than it would otherwise. So I 1015 00:52:01,739 --> 00:52:03,960 Lauren: think we can learn a lot from these athletes who 1016 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,350 Lauren: are pushing very, very high carbohydrate amounts during the race. 1017 00:52:07,529 --> 00:52:10,020 Rob: All right. Well Lauren, I think we should give away a little Morton 1018 00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:14,460 Rob: right here. We got a crowd here, so I want 1019 00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:17,760 Rob: everybody out there to take a look under your chair. 1020 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,520 Rob: And if it's not your chair, you can even look. 1021 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,040 Rob: It's right up underneath the chair, right? And there are 1022 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,610 Rob: some Morton, I think some water bottles there maybe. Somebody 1023 00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:29,520 Rob: got one. I hear somebody pull... There we go. There's one. 1024 00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:29,790 Sam: Awesome. 1025 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,790 Rob: If you've got a Morton water bottle, we've got a 1026 00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:35,910 Rob: pack of Morton gels right here for you, so you can 1027 00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:38,670 Rob: come up and grab them. This is the Morton Marathon 1028 00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:44,610 Rob: collection, seven gels, two drinks. Actually, yeah, four drinks. 1029 00:52:44,610 --> 00:52:45,181 Sam: Oh, this is like what you had. 1030 00:52:45,181 --> 00:52:47,580 Rob: This is very similar. There's a water bottle in the pack 1031 00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:47,731 Rob: as well. 1032 00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:48,570 Sam: That's awesome. 1033 00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:51,480 Rob: I love this because it just plans it all out 1034 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,960 Rob: for you. You don't have to think, and it's really 1035 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,570 Rob: great. You guys are doing a great job. I see 1036 00:52:57,750 --> 00:53:00,839 Rob: Morton gel, it's just everywhere now. You see it on 1037 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,030 Rob: the ground sometimes when you're running for those who missed 1038 00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:05,520 Rob: the trash basket. We wanted them to hit the trash 1039 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,739 Rob: basket, but still, you see a lot of them on the 1040 00:53:07,739 --> 00:53:10,260 Rob: ground. You see them everywhere. So the runners are really 1041 00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:11,640 Rob: responding to what you guys are doing. 1042 00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:13,050 Lauren: That's awesome. Glad to hear. 1043 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:20,339 Sam: One more question from me. For pre- race, do you 1044 00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:24,569 Sam: recommend taking the Morton gel before you start or do 1045 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:27,989 Sam: you wait until a certain mileage? I know it's one 1046 00:53:27,989 --> 00:53:31,980 Sam: size fits all, but do you pre- race fuel? 1047 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,670 Lauren: I do recommend a gel 10 minutes before the start, 1048 00:53:35,850 --> 00:53:39,719 Lauren: especially a long morning like Boston or New York or 1049 00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:42,390 Lauren: any of these major marathons that you might be waiting 1050 00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:45,089 Lauren: around more. It's been a while since breakfast. Not only 1051 00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:47,550 Lauren: do you probably have to have a second breakfast, but 1052 00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:50,760 Lauren: you want to start that first 5K feeling strong. We 1053 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,759 Lauren: don't want to dip into the reserves at the very 1054 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,170 Lauren: beginning, right? So can we start fueled from before the 1055 00:53:58,170 --> 00:54:00,570 Lauren: start line and then again at the 5K mark or 1056 00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:03,180 Lauren: whatever your plan might be? But yeah, early and often 1057 00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:03,839 Lauren: is my motto. 1058 00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:06,810 Rob: All right. Well, thank you Lauren. Good luck to everybody 1059 00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:12,989 Rob: out there using Morton on Monday. Appreciate having you here. And Sam, 1060 00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:15,660 Rob: it's going to be a really fun couple of days 1061 00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:19,650 Rob: in Boston. There's nothing like being in Boston for the 1062 00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:20,520 Rob: Boston Marathon. The city- 1063 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:20,581 Sam: The energy- 1064 00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:21,781 Rob: ... is on fire. 1065 00:54:21,781 --> 00:54:25,050 Sam: ... is so great. There was '80s music playing at 1066 00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:26,669 Sam: the finish line today. Did you hear it? 1067 00:54:26,670 --> 00:54:27,780 Rob: A hundred percent. 1068 00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:28,261 Sam: Oh, come on. They were playing New Order. 1069 00:54:28,261 --> 00:54:28,262 Rob: They've got a great DJ. 1070 00:54:28,261 --> 00:54:31,260 Sam: It was great. It was awesome. 1071 00:54:31,739 --> 00:54:34,590 Rob: The finish line on Boylston Street has been on fire 1072 00:54:34,650 --> 00:54:38,160 Rob: all week. There's just something about this city this week, 1073 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,069 Rob: especially when the weather's good. The Red Sox are playing. 1074 00:54:41,310 --> 00:54:44,400 Rob: People are here from all over the world. The city 1075 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,190 Rob: is just absolutely at its best. The cherry blossoms are 1076 00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:51,060 Rob: in bloom. So if you don't love Boston this weekend, 1077 00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:54,779 Rob: you can't love Boston because this is an absolutely gorgeous 1078 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,719 Rob: weekend. I just think the energy of the runners is what 1079 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,690 Rob: it's all about. So to you, Sam, and to everybody else 1080 00:55:00,690 --> 00:55:02,370 Rob: out there running, good luck. 1081 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,300 Sam: Thank you. 1082 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:03,690 Rob: It should be amazing. 1083 00:55:03,690 --> 00:55:07,739 Sam: And good luck to all of you guys. So excited for 1084 00:55:07,739 --> 00:55:08,969 Sam: everybody here. It's going to be great. 1085 00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:12,840 Rob: Thank you so much, Sam, for being with us. Thank 1086 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,859 Rob: you to Ed Eyestone, to Lauren Thomas, and we just 1087 00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:20,219 Rob: love... 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