Rob Simmelkjaer: Hey everybody, and welcome to Set the Pace, the official
Rob Simmelkjaer: podcast of New York Road Runners presented by Peloton. I'm
Rob Simmelkjaer: your host, Rob Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of New York Road
Rob Simmelkjaer: Runners, and we are here live at the after- party
Rob Simmelkjaer: for the RBC Brooklyn Half. And you can see behind
Rob Simmelkjaer: me a lot of very happy people with those beautiful
Rob Simmelkjaer: medals hanging around there next after an absolutely spectacular day
Rob Simmelkjaer: for a half- marathon here in Brooklyn. And we are
Rob Simmelkjaer: excited to bring it all to you right here from
Rob Simmelkjaer: our beautiful perch in Maimonides Ballpark, looking out over the after-
Rob Simmelkjaer: party. My usual host from Peloton, Becs Gentry, she can't
Rob Simmelkjaer: join us today. She's a little busy working. We're sad
Rob Simmelkjaer: to miss her, but we've got an amazing special co-
Rob Simmelkjaer: host, who I think you'll know, especially if you're a Peloton
Rob Simmelkjaer: person, coming up in just a minute. But let's talk about today
Rob Simmelkjaer: for a little bit. We had over 30, 000 finished starters,
Rob Simmelkjaer: I should say, at the starting line in Prospect Park.
Rob Simmelkjaer: We don't know as of yet how many finishers, but
Rob Simmelkjaer: we think there's a pretty good shot it'll be over that 30,
Rob Simmelkjaer: 000 mark. And it was a day that a lot
Rob Simmelkjaer: of people were a little worried about coming into the
Rob Simmelkjaer: day. We knew the weather was going to be a
Rob Simmelkjaer: bit warm. There is, as you can see, nary a
Rob Simmelkjaer: cloud in the sky. It is sunny, it is beautiful,
Rob Simmelkjaer: but so far so good. The temperatures are in the
Rob Simmelkjaer: 60s, maybe edging up towards 70, and the humidity was
Rob Simmelkjaer: not that high. So, people I've talked to seem to
Rob Simmelkjaer: have a pretty good day out there. We've got a
Rob Simmelkjaer: nice ocean breeze here in Coney Island. And it's been
Rob Simmelkjaer: a great, great day. So, we'll hear that final finisher
Rob Simmelkjaer: number in a little while. We still have lots of
Rob Simmelkjaer: people out there on that course making their way down
Rob Simmelkjaer: Ocean Parkway to our beautiful finish line on the boardwalk
Rob Simmelkjaer: here in Coney Island. So, it's been awesome. All right.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Let's get to our co- host today and bring her
Rob Simmelkjaer: in, Camila Ramón. You might know her from Peloton. She
Rob Simmelkjaer: not only is a Peloton instructor, but she is a
Rob Simmelkjaer: regular half- marathon runner who was one of our finishers
Rob Simmelkjaer: here today. Congratulations on the finish.
Camila Ramón: Thank you so much. Regular is beautiful. I love to
Camila Ramón: hear that.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, you are... It's impressive. So, you ran the Maybelline
Rob Simmelkjaer: Women's Half Marathon only, what, a few weeks ago in
Rob Simmelkjaer: Central Park?
Camila Ramón: Yeah, three weeks ago.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And you came right back out to take this one
Rob Simmelkjaer: on. How was it?
Camila Ramón: I figured I was in shape from the other one
Camila Ramón: so I might as well do this, and I've heard
Camila Ramón: amazing things. And the people, they did not lie. I
Camila Ramón: had the time of my life today. The sun is
Camila Ramón: beautiful. And winter, it's been holding on, all right? It's
Camila Ramón: the weather. But today, we finally are getting a little
Camila Ramón: bit of warmth. And as somebody who grew up in
Camila Ramón: Miami, I'm welcoming that with my arms wide open.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it's funny. We talk a lot about the warm
Rob Simmelkjaer: temperatures. Sometimes that makes us nervous because it can make
Rob Simmelkjaer: it hard for some runners, but for someone like you,
Rob Simmelkjaer: you're from Buenos Aires originally, you lived in Miami a
Rob Simmelkjaer: lot of your life. So, this is probably like a
Rob Simmelkjaer: perfect day for you.
Camila Ramón: Yeah, it was nice. I have lost a lot of
Camila Ramón: my Miami running clout. I cannot run in 100% humidity
Camila Ramón: anymore like I used to and feel fine. However, 65
Camila Ramón: degrees, how it was when I was running, was pretty perfect.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. Tell us about the race for you, your first
Rob Simmelkjaer: time running it. What surprised you about this half- marathon
Rob Simmelkjaer: versus others that you've run?
Camila Ramón: I love the course. As somebody who grew up running
Camila Ramón: cross country in South Florida, I don't like a hill.
Camila Ramón: I'm not going to lie. So, relatively flat course. There
Camila Ramón: were some moments with some uphills that you definitely felt,
Camila Ramón: but it was beautiful. We ended here, which is insane.
Camila Ramón: The view is fantastic. I'm like, I'm never going home.
Camila Ramón: I want to stay here all day.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Remind you of Miami just a little bit, maybe, with
Rob Simmelkjaer: that ocean view?
Camila Ramón: A little bit, yeah. The ocean always takes me back.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I know it's not quite the Miami color of sea,
Rob Simmelkjaer: but still, pretty good.
Camila Ramón: Yeah. I was going to call you out on that,
Camila Ramón: but it's okay. Yeah, it was great. And I have this thing
Camila Ramón: where I'm like, " I'm just going to go out, and
Camila Ramón: have fun, and not really push." And then I start
Camila Ramón: and I go a little crazy. So today, I really
Camila Ramón: pushed myself. The last two miles were a little bit
Camila Ramón: tough for me, I'm not going to lie. But we
Camila Ramón: made it, and here we are.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Did you have a time that was a goal today that
Rob Simmelkjaer: you're trying to hit, or just go out to have fun?
Camila Ramón: Pace- wise, loosely, I have been trying to hit something
Camila Ramón: with a seven in front of it. And I did
Camila Ramón: that today, so...
Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. Congratulations.
Camila Ramón: Thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: It was a day that I think the air was
Rob Simmelkjaer: cool. There was an ocean breeze coming down Ocean Parkway,
Rob Simmelkjaer: so hopefully that helped a little bit.
Camila Ramón: It helped a lot. There were also... People had hoses,
Camila Ramón: I think, with water. I poured, I don't know how
Camila Ramón: many cups, on my head, of water, which was really
Camila Ramón: nice. People were honestly... It was good vibes throughout. I fist-
Camila Ramón: bumped I don't know how many people, throughout the race,
Camila Ramón: which I always like. It's like a power- up, right?
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah.
Camila Ramón: You fist- bump somebody, you're like, " You're doing great." And
Camila Ramón: they're like, " Oh." They get surprised when you interact with them.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. That's the thing about the days that are a
Rob Simmelkjaer: little warm. It can be a little harder when you're
Rob Simmelkjaer: running, but the crowds come out on the warm days,
Rob Simmelkjaer: and then you get that boost from all those spectators.
Camila Ramón: Yeah, 100%.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. All right. So for folks who don't
Rob Simmelkjaer: know you from Peloton or anything else, let's get to
Rob Simmelkjaer: know Camila a little bit. As I mentioned, you were
Rob Simmelkjaer: born in Buenos Aires. And tell us about the day,
Rob Simmelkjaer: I think it was seven years old, right? You were
Rob Simmelkjaer: seven when you were first told that you were leaving
Rob Simmelkjaer: Argentina to move to the United States.
Camila Ramón: Oh. Not a good day, honestly. It was pretty terrible.
Camila Ramón: I was heartbroken. My family was like, " It's going to
Camila Ramón: be great." And I was like, " I'm going to miss
Camila Ramón: my abuela, for real." But one thing that I will
Camila Ramón: say is my parents did an amazing job of sending
Camila Ramón: me back to Argentina. So, I would go every year for two
Camila Ramón: months. The entire summer, I would just spend it there.
Camila Ramón: And until I was about 15, I had my quince in Argentina. And so-
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's like a Sweet 16 for those who don't know, yep.
Camila Ramón: Exactly, yeah. Except I wore a green lily pad- colored
Camila Ramón: dress, which was horrendous, but I really loved it at
Camila Ramón: that time. I wanted to move back until I was
Camila Ramón: around 17, and then I was like, " Uhmm." I'm really
Camila Ramón: used to it here, so I stayed.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Miami's not a bad place.
Camila Ramón: Miami's not a bad place.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And so, did you take up running at that age
Rob Simmelkjaer: when you were in Miami?
Camila Ramón: I actually started running when I was in middle school.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Amazing.
Camila Ramón: Yeah, I started running cross country when I was in
Camila Ramón: middle school. And I started running because... This is very
Camila Ramón: toxic, but I talk about this a lot in my Peloton
Camila Ramón: class, about body image. I started running because I heard
Camila Ramón: it makes you skinny when I was in middle school,
Camila Ramón: which is absolutely insane. And then once I started running,
Camila Ramón: and especially as I went into high school, I had
Camila Ramón: a lot of anxiety, and I realized that it really
Camila Ramón: helped center me. It was something beautiful that I discovered.
Camila Ramón: I found my power through running, I found my center
Camila Ramón: through running, and I never let go of it ever since.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And that happens, unfortunately, sometimes with girls as young as
Rob Simmelkjaer: middle school, as they start to have those kinds of thoughts.
Camila Ramón: Yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And I know there's a story you talk about, where
Rob Simmelkjaer: you ran up the Key Biscayne bridge in Miami, for
Rob Simmelkjaer: those who don't know the bridge over the Key Biscayne. And you
Rob Simmelkjaer: had kind of a moment on that run. Can you
Rob Simmelkjaer: talk about that, and what really happened to you that day?
Camila Ramón: Yeah. If you haven't been to the Key Biscayne bridge,
Camila Ramón: you need to go. It's beautiful. Have you been?
Rob Simmelkjaer: It's gorgeous. Yes, I love Miami.
Camila Ramón: Oh, perfect.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So I go all the time, and I've been on
Rob Simmelkjaer: that bridge many times.
Camila Ramón: Yeah, it's a great place to run too. I had been working
Camila Ramón: in corporate for about three years without moving my body
Camila Ramón: because I had been just working day and night, working
Camila Ramón: at events at night. And when I decided to come
Camila Ramón: back to movement and back to training, I chose to
Camila Ramón: motivate myself because I wanted to change myself physically, and
Camila Ramón: that led to a lot of negative self- talk and
Camila Ramón: a lot of pressure on myself, and that added anxiety
Camila Ramón: that I was talking to you earlier. And then one
Camila Ramón: day, I was running to Key Biscayne bridge and I think I
Camila Ramón: had run like six miles or something at a very decent
Camila Ramón: pace. And I was so frustrated with myself because I
Camila Ramón: hadn't seen changes in my body yet, that I was
Camila Ramón: talking smack to myself actively as I was running up
Camila Ramón: this huge bridge. And I finally got up to the
Camila Ramón: top of the bridge and I was so frustrated with myself.
Camila Ramón: I literally broke down. And then I looked up, and
Camila Ramón: I'm crying in this bridge. Everyone's having a great day.
Camila Ramón: It's like a freaking... It's so sunny. There might as
Camila Ramón: well have been dolphins jumping out of the ocean. Which
Camila Ramón: I have seen there, by the way, in Key Biscayne.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, me too.
Camila Ramón: And I was like, "I don't want to live life this way. I don't
Camila Ramón: want to do this to myself. Why are you speaking
Camila Ramón: to yourself in this way?" So ever since then, I
Camila Ramón: made a commitment to myself to move, to celebrate myself
Camila Ramón: and to celebrate my body, and just to have fun.
Camila Ramón: So then I started incorporating more... Not more structure. At
Camila Ramón: first, more fun. I honestly would just go for 30
Camila Ramón: minute walks. I was like, " I don't want to run
Camila Ramón: anymore for right now. I will go with my friends
Camila Ramón: on my chisme walks." Where we talk smack, we catch
Camila Ramón: up on the tea.
Rob Simmelkjaer: What was that called again?
Camila Ramón: Chisme.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Chisme?
Camila Ramón: The cheese.
Rob Simmelkjaer: What does that mean?
Camila Ramón: The tea.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Is that a Spanish?
Camila Ramón: The tea, yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: The tea. Got it. Oh, so you're-
Camila Ramón: Yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I get it. You guys are dissing.
Camila Ramón: Spill- the- tea walks.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You're spilling the tea. I got you. Okay.
Camila Ramón: Yeah, but with a little bit more lactose. And I just
Camila Ramón: started walking with my friend for 30 minutes after work
Camila Ramón: and we had so much fun. Then, I started going
Camila Ramón: to dance classes. And then once I realized I was
Camila Ramón: having fun, then I started running. I would just go
Camila Ramón: out run two miles just for fun. And then after
Camila Ramón: I started running two miles, I was like, " I'm starting
Camila Ramón: to enjoy this again. Let me start strength training. Let
Camila Ramón: me get some performance goals in there." But it came
Camila Ramón: from a different place. And then I made it my
Camila Ramón: mission to communicate that to the world, and make women
Camila Ramón: feel strong in their bodies rather than small.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's awesome.
Camila Ramón: So, that's what I do every day now.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I love that. There's a lot of things I love
Rob Simmelkjaer: about that story. But one thing you said there is
Rob Simmelkjaer: you'd run like two miles, and it's amazing what a
Rob Simmelkjaer: run like that can do for someone.
Camila Ramón: 100%.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I meet people all of the time, and I tell them
Rob Simmelkjaer: what I do, and they're like, " Oh, I'm not a runner.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I just run two miles a couple of days a
Rob Simmelkjaer: week." I'm like, " You're a runner. That's incredible."
Camila Ramón: Yeah, you're a runner. Hate to break it to you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yes, absolutely.
Camila Ramón: Hate to break it to you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: What did you find those two mile runs did for you?
Camila Ramón: It was beautiful. I feel like it allowed me to
Camila Ramón: create consistency in my schedule. It allowed me to clear
Camila Ramón: my mind, be present in my body, especially nowadays that
Camila Ramón: we're on our phone so much. You can't be looking
Camila Ramón: at a screen if you're running outside.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So true.
Camila Ramón: Especially in Miami where it's 100% humidity, your phone's going
Camila Ramón: to slip out of your hand and fall. Someone's going
Camila Ramón: to run over it because people don't know how to
Camila Ramón: drive. But it was just a great place for me
Camila Ramón: to just come back to me.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it's a great story. So, it's amazing that this moment
Rob Simmelkjaer: you had about being healthy, moving your body, led you
Rob Simmelkjaer: to where you are in your career, working at Peloton.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I heard that you got your job by applying directly
Rob Simmelkjaer: to the CEO of Peloton. You emailed the CEO directly?
Camila Ramón: Yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Tell me about that.
Camila Ramón: My husband and I lived in LA for four and a
Camila Ramón: half years. And then finally, we were like, " We're going
Camila Ramón: to move back to Miami." When I moved back to
Camila Ramón: Miami, I said, " I want to reach out to Peloton."
Camila Ramón: Two weeks after we moved back to Miami, I was
Camila Ramón: sitting there at my house and I was like, " I
Camila Ramón: have to reach out to them because the worst thing
Camila Ramón: that could happen is they could say no." And then
Camila Ramón: I just move on with my life and I continue
Camila Ramón: living my life as it is. And I was like, "
Camila Ramón: But I'm going to send an email to the CEO
Camila Ramón: because I know what I can provide and what they're
Camila Ramón: missing." Which is a Latina that's teaching classes in Spanish
Camila Ramón: and playing some really amazing reggaeton and perreo. So at 5:
Camila Ramón: 00 AM in the morning on a Friday, I drafted
Camila Ramón: up this email and I pressed send. And I said, "
Camila Ramón: Forget it." I sent it, I forgot it.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Thinking that you'd probably never hear back. That that was the end of that.
Camila Ramón: Thinking I would never hear about. I said, " I'm proud of
Camila Ramón: you." I said, " I'm proud of you." At 9: 00
Camila Ramón: AM the same day, I had an email from the
Camila Ramón: casting director, " We want to meet you."
Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. That must have been a heck of an email. What did you write?
Camila Ramón: Oh, it was good. I'm not going to lie. It
Camila Ramón: was great. It was a great email. When I got
Camila Ramón: the email from the casting director, I remember running into
Camila Ramón: my living room and my husband was sitting on the
Camila Ramón: couch. I started doing toe touches. I was like, " They
Camila Ramón: wrote back to me. Peloton wrote back to me." He's like, " What?"
Rob Simmelkjaer: In like a few hours, yeah.
Camila Ramón: Literally. And then I was interviewing. The interview process is
Camila Ramón: very long at Peloton for good reason. And in July...
Camila Ramón: This was February 25th that I sent the email. And
Camila Ramón: then July 1st, I was already started onboarding.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Amazing.
Camila Ramón: And in October was my first class.
Rob Simmelkjaer: It's incredible. And when you had that first class in October, tell
Rob Simmelkjaer: me about that. Did you move from Miami to New
Rob Simmelkjaer: York for the job?
Camila Ramón: Oh, yeah. My husband had never been to New York
Camila Ramón: either. I said, " Baby, we got to go." He said, "
Camila Ramón: Let's do it." Poor man. The first day that he
Camila Ramón: came to New York, I told him to go down
Camila Ramón: to the financial district, and then come up to the
Camila Ramón: West Village and have a beer. He went the other
Camila Ramón: way through Alphabet City, ended up doing pull- ups at
Camila Ramón: a park. He's like, "I don't know how I feel about New York."
Camila Ramón: I'm like, "You went to the wrong place, babe."
Rob Simmelkjaer: He went to the... Yeah, he went to the East Village. Well, it's a part of
Rob Simmelkjaer: New York.
Camila Ramón: Yeah. I mean, no shade to East Village, but yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: It's a part of New York. It's great. It's a great part of New York.
Camila Ramón: I just had ease him into it, because if you've never-
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yes, that's going in the deep end when you go straight to the East Village.
Camila Ramón: Right. If you've never been to New York City, then you don't understand.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's true.
Camila Ramón: Now, it doesn't matter. What's your question again?
Rob Simmelkjaer: That first class. So you walk into your first class
Rob Simmelkjaer: at Peloton, and this all has come from an email
Rob Simmelkjaer: that you sent. What was that first class like for
Rob Simmelkjaer: you? It must have been quite a moment.
Camila Ramón: So the first class was October 5th, and it was
Camila Ramón: the first Spanish class on the bike.
Rob Simmelkjaer: First- ever class in Spanish on the bike at Peloton.
Camila Ramón: Yes.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's amazing.
Camila Ramón: Yeah. I remember I opened up with Tego Calderón Pa' Que
Camila Ramón: Retozen, and there was nobody in the room with me
Camila Ramón: because we still had an open backup to members after COVID.
Rob Simmelkjaer: COVID, yeah.
Camila Ramón: And I wasn't sure how it was going to be received.
Camila Ramón: I was very scared. I was terrified because I was the
Camila Ramón: first one to be hired after the pandemic on the
Camila Ramón: bike, and all these people that were next to me
Camila Ramón: are superstars, people that I have looked up to for
Camila Ramón: so long. And I was like, little me who wrote
Camila Ramón: an email to the CEO is now coming up here and being like, "
Camila Ramón: Shake your nalgas." You know what I mean? And-
Rob Simmelkjaer: I don't know what that means, but maybe I shouldn't
Rob Simmelkjaer: ask. I don't know.
Camila Ramón: It mean, shake your booty cheeks.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Okay, I figured that.
Camila Ramón: But it was so beautiful to see how the community
Camila Ramón: received me, and they put their hand on my back.
Camila Ramón: And it's been such a beautiful journey ever since with
Camila Ramón: the Mila Mafia is who we are. That's my community.
Camila Ramón: Some of them are right there. And hey, girl. It
Camila Ramón: was just so beautiful. And now, I feel like we're
Camila Ramón: just doing more and more amazing things. Ever since then,
Camila Ramón: I taught the first reggaeton ride, the first cumbia ride,
Camila Ramón: the first dembow ride, the first merengue ride.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow.
Camila Ramón: So we're doing a lot of first, and really providing
Camila Ramón: a really special place for the Latino community that really
Camila Ramón: is not present in any other fitness platform in the
Camila Ramón: world. And I'm really, really proud to be doing that
Camila Ramón: alongside my friend Mariana Fernández (inaudible) Lopez.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yes, Mariana, who also ran today by the way.
Camila Ramón: She ran today.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Shout out to Mariana.
Camila Ramón: She killed it. So proud of her. Thank you for
Camila Ramón: answering all my text messages at 10: 00 PM, because I
Camila Ramón: do not look up any information about the race until
Camila Ramón: last minute.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's awesome. It must mean a lot to you, having
Rob Simmelkjaer: really been the first person to start this kind of
Rob Simmelkjaer: a community on a platform as big as Peloton. And
Rob Simmelkjaer: now, I don't know how many Spanish- speaking people you
Rob Simmelkjaer: have taking your classes, or even non- Spanish- speaking who
Rob Simmelkjaer: just love the music.
Camila Ramón: Yeah, it's a lot. Mariana was actually the first one
Camila Ramón: to debut as a Spanish- speaking instructor on yoga. And
Camila Ramón: I remember seeing her debut while I was interviewing. And
Camila Ramón: I got so emotional I literally cried in my house,
Camila Ramón: because it was just so special to see. And I
Camila Ramón: think that's something that we curated together, makes it even
Camila Ramón: more special, because I think the throughline about Latinos is
Camila Ramón: community, family, and support of each other, I think especially
Camila Ramón: in these times. So, it's really beautiful to see what
Camila Ramón: we have only just started to do and I'm excited
Camila Ramón: to see where it goes.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So you actually started recording your own music, right, for
Rob Simmelkjaer: some of these classes?
Camila Ramón: Oh, yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Talk about that. How did that inspiration... Are you always been a musician?
Camila Ramón: Not just for class, but for vibes.
Rob Simmelkjaer: For vibes in general, yeah.
Camila Ramón: I have not necessarily always been a musician unless elementary
Camila Ramón: school counts. I did play the viola and I was
Camila Ramón: in chorus.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm sure you were great.
Camila Ramón: It was public school, so not that great. Music, for
Camila Ramón: me, has always been a part of my life. I
Camila Ramón: was a professional dancer. I danced for some artists in
Camila Ramón: Miami. And when I moved to New York City, I
Camila Ramón: started teaching tread classes, I started teaching cycle classes, I
Camila Ramón: started teaching strength classes. And it was so much of
Camila Ramón: movement, which was something that was so healing for me
Camila Ramón: and a meditative place for me. Also, kind of became work-
Camila Ramón: related. So I needed to find another outlet, especially in
Camila Ramón: the winter, because I had never lived in a place
Camila Ramón: that actually has a winter. And let me tell you,
Camila Ramón: it's rough.
Rob Simmelkjaer: It's rough.
Camila Ramón: You have to find something.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah.
Camila Ramón: Yeah. So I-
Rob Simmelkjaer: Something indoors preferably, or outdoors. Skiing.
Camila Ramón: Yes, actually. I took my first vocal lesson and I
Camila Ramón: felt in love. In love, in love, in love. And
Camila Ramón: ever since then, I started taking vocal lessons as much
Camila Ramón: as I could. And then one day I said, " What
Camila Ramón: if I try to write my own song?" And then
Camila Ramón: we created my first song and I sent it to
Camila Ramón: my manager, and I said, " What do you think?" He's like, "
Camila Ramón: Wait, you did this?" And I was like, " Yeah. Why?
Camila Ramón: Is it bad or is it good?" Actually, no. Actually,
Camila Ramón: I said, " Why? Is it bad or is it good? And
Camila Ramón: then I'll tell you." He loved it, and then I
Camila Ramón: decided to keep making more and more without even the
Camila Ramón: goal of releasing it. But then something happened in my
Camila Ramón: family, with one of my really close loved ones, and
Camila Ramón: I realized life is too short. He was a person
Camila Ramón: that lived with so much joy in his life and
Camila Ramón: did everything. He was a professional clown in Argentina, my
Camila Ramón: cousin, who passed away.
Rob Simmelkjaer: A professional?
Camila Ramón: Clown.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Clown. Cool, cool.
Camila Ramón: Yes, in Argentina. He lived his life unapologetically the way
Camila Ramón: that he wanted to, and it inspired me to live
Camila Ramón: my life with joy, through joy, for joy, and hope
Camila Ramón: that as many people come with me in the process
Camila Ramón: as possible. So I figured, why not? Life is short.
Camila Ramón: We got one. Run the half- marathon, write your music,
Camila Ramón: create your creative space for yourself. And here we are.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. I get those vibes off you 100%.
Camila Ramón: Oh, thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yes.
Camila Ramón: Thank you, thank you. So now, I have like five tracks, I think.
Camila Ramón: I don't know if I... Five or six.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And you use them for the classes sometimes?
Camila Ramón: Sometimes. I don't like to program them too much because
Camila Ramón: I feel like that's a little weird, but people like
Camila Ramón: them and they ask for it.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I heard you got an injury along the way during your Peloton
Rob Simmelkjaer: career, which can happen. You're spending a lot of time
Rob Simmelkjaer: working out on a bike or whatever. And you had
Rob Simmelkjaer: an extra bone in your foot?
Camila Ramón: Yeah. It's called-
Rob Simmelkjaer: How did you discover that?
Camila Ramón: It's called accessory navicular bone. It's not cute, but I
Camila Ramón: could either get surgery or deal with it with PT,
Camila Ramón: and PT really works wonders. So, I stopped running for
Camila Ramón: quite some time and I felt like there was something
Camila Ramón: missing. I was running in class, yes. And the team
Camila Ramón: was really great to give me shorter classes, walking content,
Camila Ramón: hiking content, which is really great, but I missed running.
Camila Ramón: And finally last year, I remember I got so emotional
Camila Ramón: when I ran the United Half because I cried at
Camila Ramón: the finish line, because I was like, " I can't believe I
Camila Ramón: just did that again." It was such a beautiful comeback.
Camila Ramón: And now this year, ran Maybelline Half-
Rob Simmelkjaer: You're back. That's right.
Camila Ramón: ... and ran the RBC Brooklyn Half.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's right.
Camila Ramón: I feel like I'm back even though I have to
Camila Ramón: really gauge my training to my body. So, I'm not
Camila Ramón: running as much as I used to or with the
Camila Ramón: volume that I used to, but I still feel like
Camila Ramón: I'm performing at a capacity that makes me feel competitive
Camila Ramón: with myself. And that's something that I'm proud of.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You said that your training block for this Half was
Rob Simmelkjaer: stronger, not smaller.
Camila Ramón: Yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: What does that mean?
Camila Ramón: Stronger, not smaller. I mean, I'm not trying to shrink
Camila Ramón: myself. And I think-
Rob Simmelkjaer: Not like your middle- school self, right?
Camila Ramón: Exactly.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Not trying to do that.
Camila Ramón: Yeah. And I think especially nowadays, with all the changes
Camila Ramón: that we see, we see it. We see it in
Camila Ramón: social media, we see it with Hollywood, we see it
Camila Ramón: everywhere. It's just really nice to bring ourselves back to
Camila Ramón: the things that make us feel at peace with ourselves.
Camila Ramón: And we have to remind ourselves that even though we
Camila Ramón: are seeing these things externally, that shouldn't change your personal
Camila Ramón: goals, because health and strength, at the end of the
Camila Ramón: day, for longevity, is what we should all be focused on.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, love that. It's a great message.
Camila Ramón: Thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: It sounds like you are also, though, discovering your own
Rob Simmelkjaer: speed a little bit as a runner because-
Camila Ramón: A little bit, yeah. It's kind of a mess, but...
Rob Simmelkjaer: Sometimes that happens. You get into it and you start to
Rob Simmelkjaer: realize how fast you can be. Can I ask how
Rob Simmelkjaer: old you are?
Camila Ramón: 34.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So, you're at a great age to be entering distance
Rob Simmelkjaer: running and really getting serious about it, because most women
Rob Simmelkjaer: don't peak as distance runners until maybe their late 30s, 40s.
Camila Ramón: Oh, wait. What?
Rob Simmelkjaer: So, you're on the upside.
Camila Ramón: Really?
Rob Simmelkjaer: 100%. We see so many women who their PRs are
Rob Simmelkjaer: at 40 years old or beyond.
Camila Ramón: Oh my God.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So, you've got a lot of runway ahead of you.
Camila Ramón: This is a great news.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. I'm happy to deliver some good news.
Camila Ramón: Thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And it just sounds like you've got a lot of upside,
Rob Simmelkjaer: because I... So it says here that when you ran
Rob Simmelkjaer: the Maybelline Women's Half on April 26th, you started out
Rob Simmelkjaer: mile one, 8: 58 pace.
Camila Ramón: I was terrified. I was scared.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You were scared. And then by the time you got
Rob Simmelkjaer: to 12 and 13-
Camila Ramón: I was confident.
Rob Simmelkjaer: ... you were down to a 7: 19 pace. That's quite a spread.
Camila Ramón: Yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: What happened in that race to make you realize you
Rob Simmelkjaer: could go that fast?
Camila Ramón: A couple of things. Number one is I have a
Camila Ramón: problem and I have no chill. So even in the
Camila Ramón: races, that I'm like, " I'm going to have a fun run."
Camila Ramón: I'm like, " Push, girl. You can go faster." No. But
Camila Ramón: for real, that was kind of like a test run.
Camila Ramón: That was the first race that I've ran this year
Camila Ramón: at that distance, so I wanted to see how I
Camila Ramón: was feeling. I had some training runs where I was
Camila Ramón: pushing a little bit more. But I was honestly a
Camila Ramón: little scared to crash out publicly, I'm not going to
Camila Ramón: lie, especially because there's a lot of people that-
Rob Simmelkjaer: When people start watching you, it gets to be pressure.
Camila Ramón: Even though if I were to puke on the side
Camila Ramón: one day, I feel like that's pretty badass. But...
Rob Simmelkjaer: You'd be a real runner at that point.
Camila Ramón: Right. Right, right, right.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You maybe earn some respect from that, actually.
Camila Ramón: I told you I don't like hills, so I hadn't ran-
Rob Simmelkjaer: But Maybelline Half's hard with that. There's some hills in
Rob Simmelkjaer: Central Park.
Camila Ramón: Yeah. Central Park has hills, so that's why I was
Camila Ramón: conservative. I ran one lap, and then the second lap
Camila Ramón: I was like, " Okay, I got this." So then the
Camila Ramón: second lap, I ran faster. Today, I tried to even
Camila Ramón: out my splits more, so I think I did that today.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And did that work for you? Because... And the great
Rob Simmelkjaer: thing about this race, of course, is the hills get
Rob Simmelkjaer: out of the way early.
Camila Ramón: I love that part. It was beautiful.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And if you started the course, you know. Once you've gotten up
Rob Simmelkjaer: those hills in Prospect Park and you've left the park,
Rob Simmelkjaer: you know you can roll.
Camila Ramón: I looked it up last night, yes. It was a
Camila Ramón: good idea.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And did it go according to plan?
Camila Ramón: I think so. I'm like... I don't know. I don't
Camila Ramón: really have a lot of plans. I don't plan a
Camila Ramón: lot in my life, but-
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's okay.
Camila Ramón: But I have... One of the things that I often
Camila Ramón: say in class is, " If you have no expectations, you're
Camila Ramón: never going to disappoint yourself." So, I always go into
Camila Ramón: it with the idea of having fun, especially because you
Camila Ramón: know my history about my competitiveness and how I can be
Camila Ramón: really hard on myself. So if I go in with
Camila Ramón: the have- fun mindset, see how I feel and then
Camila Ramón: push a little bit later, it always works out for me.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Did you run with or without music today?
Camila Ramón: Oh, 1, 000% with music.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You seem like you'd be a with- music kind of runner.
Camila Ramón: Noise cancellation, honestly.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, wow. So full- on, block the rest of the world out.
Camila Ramón: My friend had to come right in front of my
Camila Ramón: face to say hello to me. He had been screaming
Camila Ramón: at me while I was coming up, and he was like, "
Camila Ramón: Hey." I was like, "Hey." I will say, I have made
Camila Ramón: the best running playlist that exists. I said it. I said it.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Is it on Spotify? Can people find it?
Camila Ramón: It's on Spotify.
Rob Simmelkjaer: What's it called?
Camila Ramón: It's called Negative Splits.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, that's a good name for a running (inaudible) .
Camila Ramón: I use this feature and it gets progressively faster via BPMs.
Camila Ramón: And once you get to the Pain Cave, it's really
Camila Ramón: intense at the end. I will tell you, slightly emotional.
Camila Ramón: There's a lot of really intense beats in there.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. Negative splits on Spotify.
Camila Ramón: Negative Splits.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's a good call out there.
Camila Ramón: Yeah, you can look it up by my name too.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Is any of your-
Camila Ramón: And don't forget to stream my music while you're on there, okay?
Rob Simmelkjaer: 100%. I was going to ask, are any of your
Rob Simmelkjaer: songs in that playlist?
Camila Ramón: I put one.
Rob Simmelkjaer: One. Okay, which one?
Camila Ramón: It's called Mary Jane.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Okay. And you listen to that today? Do you listen
Rob Simmelkjaer: to a lot of your songs while you're running? Or
Rob Simmelkjaer: is it too, like, " That would get in my head.
Rob Simmelkjaer: If I had songs and I was listening to myself
Rob Simmelkjaer: running, that would freak me out."
Camila Ramón: It depends. I think on the vibe, like how I'm feeling.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Okay. I don't really even like to listen to this
Rob Simmelkjaer: podcast while I'm running because that gets to my head.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm like, " Oh, I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have asked that question."
Camila Ramón: You're great. You're doing great.
Rob Simmelkjaer: How about this party we got going on behind us?
Camila Ramón: I want to go down there.
Rob Simmelkjaer: This is pretty good. I think we should get down there.
Camila Ramón: Next time, you got to book me to perform here.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, we got a great crowd down there. And in
Rob Simmelkjaer: fact, if I'm not mistaken, we're going to send it
Rob Simmelkjaer: down there because we're going to have some interviews coming
Rob Simmelkjaer: from down there in a little bit. So as soon as
Rob Simmelkjaer: we're ready to send it down, we can send it
Rob Simmelkjaer: down right now. Who are we sending it to? Remind me.
Tracy: Tracy.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Tracy. We got Tracy down there on the field at
Rob Simmelkjaer: the after- party. Tracy?
Tracy: We're having so much fun. We're having a great time.
Tracy: We are here on the field at Maimonides Park. It
Tracy: is the RBC Brooklyn Half after- party. Now, I'm here
Tracy: with Adama. You are a Brooklyn resident, and you've run your
Tracy: third RBC Brooklyn Half. So, let's talk a little bit
Tracy: about you reliving your experience and reliving your race, and
Tracy: tell me what was it like running it for the
Tracy: third time?
Adama: This time was hard. It was a little warm outside.
Adama: But outside of a little bit of extra hydration, I
Adama: would say it went pretty well. We had a little
Adama: gala from my daughter's school last night, which didn't help,
Adama: I'm sure. But coming into today, mile, I would say
Adama: 10 is where I'll start to feel the heat sinking
Adama: a little bit.
Tracy: Yeah. You're telling me how had your mouth is getting
Tracy: a little chalky, right?
Adama: Yeah.
Tracy: So, talk about the hydration for you at a race.
Adama: Usually, I take only a little bit of water, likely
Adama: at mile 11. And it's not really necessary. It's more of
Adama: a... I don't know. I think science would tell me
Adama: that that's the right thing to do. But then today,
Adama: I was like, " Okay, I need Gatorade. I need water."
Adama: I had to stop from every mile: 10, 11, 12. And then
Adama: I wanted to look good for my family when they
Adama: saw me in mile 12. So, everything ended up working
Adama: out though.
Tracy: That's real right there. You want to look good for
Tracy: the family. You want to look good for those photos, right?
Adama: Yeah.
Tracy: So tell me a little bit about being a Brooklyn
Tracy: resident and running in Kings County, running in your borough.
Adama: Yeah. It's great because also, if you run Prospect Park a
Adama: lot, you notice they got a lot of hills in
Adama: there. So, I thought that was very easy for me
Adama: because I've seen the same hill, so I knew exactly
Adama: when they were coming. You knew how to pace yourself.
Adama: You knew how to like, " Okay. We got this hill,
Adama: so you might not want to exert too much energy
Adama: before it." So it's a great place to run, easy
Adama: place to run. A lot of great parks, Fort Greene
Adama: Park. I live closer to Fort Greene Park. So if
Adama: you want a short run, you can do that. If you want a
Adama: long run, Prospect Park's a great one as well. And
Adama: people, it's a great running culture in Brooklyn.
Tracy: Wonderful. Adama, thank you so much for sharing your experience
Tracy: with us, reliving your run, and your third RBC Brooklyn
Tracy: Half. And back to you, Rob.
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Rob Simmelkjaer: That was awesome. Great to see people down there having
Rob Simmelkjaer: a good time. That party is in full swing, by
Rob Simmelkjaer: the way. So, they are rocking because it's a gorgeous
Rob Simmelkjaer: day. A lot of happy runners down there. Rob Simmelkjaer.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Camila Ramón, back with me is my co- host for
Rob Simmelkjaer: the day from Peloton. And we've got a very special
Rob Simmelkjaer: guest joining us today, Kristen Smith. Welcome, Kristen.
Kristen Smith: Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here.
Rob Simmelkjaer: How are you? Kristen Smith, two years ago, impulsively signed
Rob Simmelkjaer: up for... This was the first race of your life, right?
Camila Ramón: First race in her life.
Rob Simmelkjaer: The RBC Brooklyn Half?
Kristen Smith: Yes.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You were a Yale volleyball player, turned into an executive at
Rob Simmelkjaer: Meta. Very nice. Mother of two and suffering from depression,
Rob Simmelkjaer: which we'll talk about a little bit. And since then,
Rob Simmelkjaer: she has run five of the six world marathon majors,
Rob Simmelkjaer: which is absolutely incredible.
Camila Ramón: Pop off, queen.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Total queen. Incredible. And Kristen, you talk about how running saved your
Rob Simmelkjaer: life. Can you talk about that?
Kristen Smith: Yeah. So depression is something that I've lived with for
Kristen Smith: quite a long time in my life, and the past
Kristen Smith: few years have been particularly difficult. So, I signed up
Kristen Smith: for this race on a whim. And as I went
Kristen Smith: along, running just got me out of bed every single
Kristen Smith: day. It was a thing that I stood up. If I
Kristen Smith: can get out for a run, the day's probably going
Kristen Smith: to be better, and it almost always was. And then
Kristen Smith: these races, they really became beacons on the calendar, something
Kristen Smith: to look forward to, something to make it to. So
Kristen Smith: race by race and mile by mile, I feel Like
Kristen Smith: I really got to the other side. And so in
Kristen Smith: April, I finished Boston. That was the last one. So,
Kristen Smith: I'm done.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Amazing.
Camila Ramón: Congratulations.
Kristen Smith: Thank you. I got my six stars. And then-
Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, you got the six? Amazing.
Camila Ramón: Yes.
Kristen Smith: Oh, yes. That's an update. That's new.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yes. Yes, big update. Congrats.
Kristen Smith: Yeah. And so running this race again today was such
Kristen Smith: an incredible bookend full- circle moment for my experience the
Kristen Smith: last few years.
Camila Ramón: Now, you signed up on a whim for the Brooklyn
Camila Ramón: Half in 2023.
Kristen Smith: Yes.
Camila Ramón: Can you walk us through what was going through your
Camila Ramón: head that morning when you signed up?
Kristen Smith: Yeah, for sure. I left the city and I had
Kristen Smith: moved to the suburbs. I guess, it's been four and
Kristen Smith: a half years, but I feel like I've just accepted
Kristen Smith: that I've moved to the suburbs a month ago. And
Kristen Smith: so, I needed something to keep me entertained and something
Kristen Smith: to do out there. Something that felt purposeful. And I said, "
Kristen Smith: This seems like a reasonable thing to do. " And May's
Kristen Smith: not that cold. I really don't like the cold. I
Kristen Smith: grew up in Michigan, which is ironic.
Camila Ramón: I feel that.
Kristen Smith: Right. I think I am from Miami in a previous life.
Camila Ramón: In your heart, yeah.
Kristen Smith: Yeah. So there, we did it.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it's amazing. And what was it like for you
Rob Simmelkjaer: to come back today and have this full- circle moment?
Rob Simmelkjaer: You didn't just run, but you also ran for a
Rob Simmelkjaer: charity, Solace House, which is a suicide prevention organization. Talk
Rob Simmelkjaer: about how you got to know them, and what it meant
Rob Simmelkjaer: for you to come out here today and run on
Rob Simmelkjaer: their behalf.
Kristen Smith: Yeah. I think making my miles have more purpose than
Kristen Smith: myself was really important to me as I went through
Kristen Smith: the process of running these marathons and half- marathons along
Kristen Smith: the way. They're doing incredible work. And I think access
Kristen Smith: is such an important thing for mental health specifically, and
Kristen Smith: for everything. And so many people don't have access to
Kristen Smith: mental healthcare resources, and it's just essential. So, organizations like
Kristen Smith: Solace House deserve our support. I was just honored, really,
Kristen Smith: to run on behalf of them.
Camila Ramón: That's amazing. My story is very similar. Anxiety, depression. I
Camila Ramón: think so many people can relate to your story. Thank
Camila Ramón: you so much for sharing it with us. You've said
Camila Ramón: before that marathon training became a perfect metaphor for living
Camila Ramón: with depression. Persist, show up, stay disciplined, lean on your
Camila Ramón: community. Was there a run where you felt like that
Camila Ramón: metaphor was the most true to you?
Kristen Smith: I think it's been every single one, truly. There's some
Kristen Smith: point in a race, right? Every time you run a half-
Kristen Smith: marathon, a marathon, you're like, " Wow, I don't know if
Kristen Smith: I can do this." And it's just another step, another
Kristen Smith: step, another step, another step. Get to the next mile,
Kristen Smith: get to the next mile. And then you look around
Kristen Smith: and you have all these amazing people running with you,
Kristen Smith: who all have such incredible stories and so inspiring. And they
Kristen Smith: carry you. You really swept up in the current of the people
Kristen Smith: and the proverbial community, both literally and metaphorically.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I've met so many people over the last few years
Rob Simmelkjaer: who have a story similar to yours. They were suffering
Rob Simmelkjaer: from depression. And for one reason or another, they discovered
Rob Simmelkjaer: running, and it just changed something for them, like a
Rob Simmelkjaer: switch flipped for them.
Camila Ramón: Shout out endorphins.
Kristen Smith: Yes.
Rob Simmelkjaer: 100%. One of the greatest things that we produce as
Rob Simmelkjaer: humans for our own bodies, those endorphins. What do you think it was for
Rob Simmelkjaer: you about running that has made this difference?
Kristen Smith: I think it was the consistency of it, this idea
Kristen Smith: of discipline over motivation. Just showing up, and showing up
Kristen Smith: again and having another good day, and having another good
Kristen Smith: day, and another good run. And so, it's that micro
Kristen Smith: thing, and you're... Every day. And then all of a sudden
Kristen Smith: you wake up, and two and a half years later, I've
Kristen Smith: run all the world major marathons. And I'm doing great.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Pretty impressive in two years, by the way. How did you pull that off?
Camila Ramón: So impressive.
Kristen Smith: The hardest part was getting into that, I have to say.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's what I was going to say. How did you get into that?
Kristen Smith: How did I? Quite literally, how did I? I ran
Kristen Smith: all of them with charity. But then it was very
Kristen Smith: exciting, because in Boston this year, I qualified for Boston
Kristen Smith: but I think I hit the sweet spot.
Camila Ramón: Congratulations.
Kristen Smith: Thank you. I think-
Camila Ramón: That's an amazing achievement.
Kristen Smith: It was very exciting, but I think I hit the
Kristen Smith: sweet spot where I didn't qualify by enough that I
Kristen Smith: won't actually get into the race next year, and I
Kristen Smith: feel good about that. I'm happy to leave the Boston
Kristen Smith: race there.
Camila Ramón: You've had enough. It's a tough one, for sure.
Kristen Smith: Yeah.
Camila Ramón: I want to know what does your self- talk look
Camila Ramón: like when you're in the trenches in a race?
Kristen Smith: Yeah, this is a great question. I spent the last month- ish,
Kristen Smith: two months before this past race, really focused on the
Kristen Smith: psychology of endurance. And so reading books, listening to podcasts.
Kristen Smith: So a few things, I think distancing yourself from the
Kristen Smith: pain and talking to yourself in a third person, which apparently
Kristen Smith: is a real strategy. So instead of like, "You got this." Like, "
Kristen Smith: Kristen, you can do this." Another-
Camila Ramón: " Camila, you're a baddy. Don't stop."
Kristen Smith: Yeah. " You got this. Let's go. You can do it."
Camila Ramón: I have a secret to tell you today, I called
Camila Ramón: my husband at mile nine. Because you guys... Okay. They sent
Camila Ramón: me the questions about the podcast that they were going
Camila Ramón: to ask me beforehand, and one of them was like, "
Camila Ramón: Talk to us about mile eight." So the whole time, I
Camila Ramón: was like, " Oh my God, mile eight's going to suck."
Camila Ramón: So then I got to mile eight and I was like, "Oh my God, this is so
Camila Ramón: hard." So, I called my husband. Once a voicemail, I
Camila Ramón: left him a three- minute voicemail of me breathing because
Camila Ramón: I couldn't hang up. But then he called me back
Camila Ramón: and then he was like, " Job's not done, baby. Job's
Camila Ramón: not done." And I was like, " The job's not done, Camila. The
Camila Ramón: job's not done." So the whole time afterwards, I was speaking to myself in
Camila Ramón: the third person, telling myself the job's not done until
Camila Ramón: I got to the finish line and finished the job.
Kristen Smith: Yeah. It works, right?
Camila Ramón: It works.
Kristen Smith: And how dare he not answer your phone call?
Camila Ramón: How dare he? He was sleeping. He had it on
Camila Ramón: silent. He's studying for the bar right now, so he gets a pass.
Kristen Smith: Okay. We'll give him a pass. We'll give him a pass.
Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. That's a pretty good pass. I like that. Tell me about your race today. How
Rob Simmelkjaer: did it go? Were you happy with your day, your
Rob Simmelkjaer: time? We were worried about the heat, but it turned
Rob Simmelkjaer: out to be a pretty nice day.
Kristen Smith: Yeah. So, I feel like I was still in recovery
Kristen Smith: mode a bit after Boston. Those downhills were rough, so
Kristen Smith: were the uphills. So today, it went out with no expectation.
Kristen Smith: I just wanted to really soak it all in and
Kristen Smith: reflect on what this journey has been, have fun, and
Kristen Smith: cross the finish line with a big smile. So, I
Kristen Smith: got to do that.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. And do you have a goal now? You've done the six stars.
Kristen Smith: Yes.
Rob Simmelkjaer: What's next for you as a runner?
Kristen Smith: This is a good question. I feel like I've purposefully have made myself pause
Kristen Smith: on setting a next goal to just create some space
Kristen Smith: to reflect. But that's totally my style, to immediately be like, "
Kristen Smith: Okay, what's next?" Yeah.
Camila Ramón: What's your sign?
Kristen Smith: Cancer.
Camila Ramón: Oh, interesting.
Kristen Smith: I know.
Camila Ramón: It's very Sagittarius of you.
Kristen Smith: Well, there you go. So, I will run the New York
Kristen Smith: City Marathon with the Bronx Burners.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, awesome.
Camila Ramón: Have fun.
Kristen Smith: They're For Purpose programs.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Love those guys.
Kristen Smith: Yeah. Rob said to tell you hello.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Hello, Rob. I saw Rob at the start this morning.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Love him.
Kristen Smith: Oh, good. Good. Yeah, he's great. So, I'll do that.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So for those who don't know, yes. Amazing. Is that-
Kristen Smith: Yeah, looking forward.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So what is your recovery going to look like now? Because
Rob Simmelkjaer: you owe yourself probably some time off after Boston, after
Rob Simmelkjaer: this. Are you going to try to keep a low
Rob Simmelkjaer: burn of running going? What's your thinking about that?
Kristen Smith: Yeah. I'm going to take, at least, a week or
Kristen Smith: two off completely from running and just reset. I'm a
Kristen Smith: big boxing fan, a big boxer. So, I'll try to
Kristen Smith: lean back into that.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, nice.
Camila Ramón: I'm a boxer, yep.
Kristen Smith: It's the best, right?
Camila Ramón: It's very meditative, too.
Kristen Smith: Yes. Can't think about anything else.
Camila Ramón: I can pay attention.
Kristen Smith: Yes, yes, yes. That's exactly right.
Camila Ramón: You don't want to get smacked in the face.
Kristen Smith: No, no. So yeah, just create some space for some other
Kristen Smith: things in life. Spend some time with my kids, all
Kristen Smith: that good stuff.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Congratulations on the run today.
Kristen Smith: Thank you so much.
Rob Simmelkjaer: On everything. You've done a lot and done it for
Rob Simmelkjaer: some great causes as well.
Kristen Smith: Thank you. Thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So, really nice to meet you.
Kristen Smith: So nice to meet you. Thank you.
Camila Ramón: Thanks for sharing your story. I'll see you on the leaderboard, right?
Kristen Smith: Yes.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. All right, I love it. We've got some more
Rob Simmelkjaer: people down on the field. So, let's talk some more
Rob Simmelkjaer: finishers and send it back down to the after- party.
Tracy: We are back on the field here, having so much
Tracy: fun with more than 29,000 finishers here at the RBC Brooklyn
Tracy: Half. And one of those finishers I have with me
Tracy: today is Wake. Now, Wake is a Manhattan resident, but this
Tracy: is your very first RBC Brooklyn Half, and only your
Tracy: second half- marathon. Now, you told me a little bit
Tracy: about how you had maybe a little bit of confidence
Tracy: going into your second, and maybe you undertrained a little
Tracy: bit. So, relive this fun for me. Tell me about
Tracy: your thoughts.
Wake: Yeah. So last time when I ran in my first half,
Wake: I went through a whole program. I used Peloton, one
Wake: of their training programs or something. I was very on
Wake: top of it. I was doing three to four runs
Wake: a week. This time... I'm in med school right now
Wake: and I'm in my clerkship year, so it's like the
Wake: busiest year of our education. And I just did not
Wake: run consistently. I ran two times this week, and ran
Wake: six miles and three miles, and that was the most
Wake: I'd run in one week for a while. So I
Wake: run once a week, like three to five miles. It
Wake: was not enough. So my feet hurt, my legs hurt.
Wake: My legs hurt.
Tracy: But you absolutely did it. Now as a Manhattan resident, you know
Tracy: that the great thing about New York Road Runners is
Tracy: you get to experience all of the city by foot. And
Tracy: so now, you are in Kings County. You have run the
Tracy: RBC Brooklyn Half. What was the experience of running other
Tracy: Brooklyn and what was the experience of finishing, " I'm at
Tracy: Coney Island Boardwalk"?
Wake: Yeah, it was incredible. I think one of the things that I
Wake: love most about New York is exactly what you said.
Wake: It's just such a large, incredible, diverse place. So many
Wake: different incredible neighborhoods. I come from Mississippi, and so it's
Wake: a lot smaller down there. And so coming up here
Wake: and just being able to go somewhere in Manhattan then
Wake: come over to Brooklyn, and see all these beautiful houses
Wake: and nature, and then finish on Coney Island with the
Wake: coast, and all of my friends and supporters here, it's fantastic.
Tracy: Fantastic. I know all your friends are here to get
Tracy: these run faster. All of us friends have these great
Tracy: hats. We're having a great party here. The after- party
Tracy: of Maimonides Park. Thank you so much, Wake. I'm going
Tracy: to send it back to you. Thanks so much.
Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. Thank you, Tracy. Tracy has such great energy.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You can't not want to run a half- marathon after
Rob Simmelkjaer: you hear Tracy at one of our start stages. She
Rob Simmelkjaer: is fired up and bringing the energy to the after-
Rob Simmelkjaer: party here.
Camila Ramón: That party is bumping right now. Let me tell you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: 100%. And it's going to bump a little bit more
Rob Simmelkjaer: up here because we're going to talk not about the
Rob Simmelkjaer: run, but about the recovery. And to help us talk
Rob Simmelkjaer: about that, we've got our friend from HSS joining us,
Rob Simmelkjaer: a physical therapist from HSS, Carrie Whitelam. Great to have
Rob Simmelkjaer: you, Carrie.
Carrie Whitelam: Thanks for having me.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, absolutely. Carrie studied in the dance studios at Loyola
Rob Simmelkjaer: Marymount University once upon a time, and then crossed into
Rob Simmelkjaer: athletic training, and now a doctor of physical therapy at
Rob Simmelkjaer: Touro. You got a degree from there as well?
Carrie Whitelam: Yeah.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So, you know what you're talking about. All right. Let's talk
Rob Simmelkjaer: about all of the feelings that people are probably having down
Rob Simmelkjaer: there in the field right now. I went down there
Rob Simmelkjaer: earlier. Not surprisingly, a lot of stretching going on, a
Rob Simmelkjaer: lot of movement. People are trying to get back into
Rob Simmelkjaer: their legs. What is the number one thing that most
Rob Simmelkjaer: of the folks down there are going to have to
Rob Simmelkjaer: deal with in the next 24 to 48 hours?
Carrie Whitelam: Definitely, people will start to develop a little bit of
Carrie Whitelam: soreness. But I see a lot of runners on their
Carrie Whitelam: feet, moving around, which is actually a great thing to
Carrie Whitelam: do after a run like this.
Camila Ramón: They're dancing.
Carrie Whitelam: Keep moving a little bit. Throw in a little bit
Carrie Whitelam: of foam rolling and stretching just to stay on top
Carrie Whitelam: of any soreness that might come up in the next
Carrie Whitelam: day, two days from now.
Camila Ramón: Is there anything nutrition- wise that you recommend for people to
Camila Ramón: do in these leading hours or first hours after the race?
Carrie Whitelam: Yeah, definitely. A little bit out of scope of PT,
Carrie Whitelam: but definitely make sure you're refueling. It's hot. It's sunny.
Carrie Whitelam: So, making sure you're getting a lot of good hydration,
Carrie Whitelam: mix of water and electrolytes, getting that good balanced meal
Carrie Whitelam: in. I guess, we're in Coney Island, so a Nathan's
Carrie Whitelam: hotdog kind of hits a little bit of the protein and
Carrie Whitelam: carbs if we're looking for that balance.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it.
Camila Ramón: A lot of hot dogs out there.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You heard it from someone at HSS. It's okay to go have
Rob Simmelkjaer: a hotdog after you run the RBC Brooklyn Half. I
Rob Simmelkjaer: know a lot of people are going to take you up on that, for sure.
Rob Simmelkjaer: What's the number one mistake, Carrie, that you see runners
Rob Simmelkjaer: make in the aftermath of running a half- marathon or
Rob Simmelkjaer: a marathon?
Carrie Whitelam: I think a lot of people have those high endorphins from
Carrie Whitelam: finishing their run, feeling great, feeling fit, and they're afraid
Carrie Whitelam: to lose that fitness. So, going after it too soon.
Carrie Whitelam: So really making sure that you're taking adequate recovery. Kristen
Carrie Whitelam: mentioned taking, maybe, a week or two off from running,
Carrie Whitelam: which I definitely can get behind. Giving yourself proper time
Carrie Whitelam: to recover, address anything that came up during the training
Carrie Whitelam: cycle, during the race, really giving yourself time to rest
Carrie Whitelam: and recover. Thirteen miles isn't a short distance, so really
Carrie Whitelam: respecting that distance.
Camila Ramón: Absolutely not. And scientifically speaking, what is actually happening to
Camila Ramón: your legs within the first 24 to 48 hours after the race?
Carrie Whitelam: So there's going to be a lot of like local
Carrie Whitelam: inflammation in the muscles, and I think we think a
Carrie Whitelam: lot about the muscles as being fatigued from a race
Carrie Whitelam: like this, but also your nervous system becomes in a
Carrie Whitelam: heightened state. So, not only do we want to give
Carrie Whitelam: your muscles blood circulation system time to recover, but also
Carrie Whitelam: giving that nervous system a time to rest, recuperate, recover.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Absolutely. So once you're in that period, when do you
Rob Simmelkjaer: recommend if someone needs to, maybe, go for physical therapy?
Rob Simmelkjaer: What's a good sweet spot to maybe go see a PT?
Carrie Whitelam: My role is kind of like first week out of
Carrie Whitelam: the race. Be aware of what's going on in your
Carrie Whitelam: body but don't be overcritical. And if it's something lingering,
Carrie Whitelam: or something new that came up during the race, then
Carrie Whitelam: definitely something to go see one of the physicians at
Carrie Whitelam: HSS about, for sure.
Camila Ramón: Perfect. Okay. For example, now we're taking a beat, we're
Camila Ramón: taking a break. What do you actually recommend that people do
Camila Ramón: potentially training- wise to fill the gaps within this break?
Carrie Whitelam: I think you guys both brought up a great point
Carrie Whitelam: about using this downtime from running to incorporate other exercise
Carrie Whitelam: and activities that you enjoy. So now that we've got
Carrie Whitelam: some nice spring weather, go take a nice bike ride,
Carrie Whitelam: a nice easy walk around for the next week and
Carrie Whitelam: a bit. And okay to add in some light, easy running
Carrie Whitelam: maybe next weekend, but try to hold off any hard
Carrie Whitelam: efforts, speed workouts, hill workouts until you have time to
Carrie Whitelam: truly recover.
Camila Ramón: What about yoga and strength training?
Carrie Whitelam: Love it.
Camila Ramón: Perfect. Thank you so much.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I love a little yoga after a race. That's fantastic.
Camila Ramón: I love a good yoga after a race.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Stretch those puppies out a little bit. Are there any red
Rob Simmelkjaer: flags, Carrie? If someone felt a certain thing or feels
Rob Simmelkjaer: a certain way in the next few days, they should
Rob Simmelkjaer: really make sure they get checked out?
Carrie Whitelam: Yeah. I think definitely, since we've talked about the heat
Carrie Whitelam: quite a bit today, I know... I myself was training
Carrie Whitelam: throughout the winter, and we didn't really have a lot
Carrie Whitelam: of hot days to train for, so we're not quite
Carrie Whitelam: used to that. So, just making sure that heart rate
Carrie Whitelam: is coming back down to normal. And then in terms
Carrie Whitelam: of musculoskeletal, if you feel any sharp pains or things
Carrie Whitelam: that aren't resolving with resting, stretching. Once it's past that
Carrie Whitelam: acute three-, four- day window, then you could think harder
Carrie Whitelam: about it.
Rob Simmelkjaer: A lot of people who ran today may already be
Rob Simmelkjaer: signed up for the TCS New York City Marathon or
Rob Simmelkjaer: another fall marathon. And when that's in their head, they
Rob Simmelkjaer: want to start getting ready for that as soon as
Rob Simmelkjaer: possible. But we're still only in May.
Carrie Whitelam: Exactly.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Our marathon's in November. So, what's the mindset you think
Rob Simmelkjaer: that someone should have coming off of a half- marathon
Rob Simmelkjaer: like this in terms of when they need to start
Rob Simmelkjaer: really thinking about getting ready for the marathon?
Carrie Whitelam: I have run this race many times, and also done
Carrie Whitelam: the New York City Marathon that following fall, and I
Carrie Whitelam: always gave myself from this race until 4th of July
Carrie Whitelam: just to rest, recover, enjoy movement for movement. I feel
Carrie Whitelam: like that's helpful for most patients and stuff. It still
Carrie Whitelam: gives you a good training block, but it gives you
Carrie Whitelam: time to recover and recuperate from the training block that
Carrie Whitelam: you put in for this race. And you've set yourself
Carrie Whitelam: up with a really good foundation that the recovery is
Carrie Whitelam: just as important as the training.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And the mental break too, right? Because I just feel
Rob Simmelkjaer: like... I meet a lot of people here who they
Rob Simmelkjaer: just never stop training. It's like they can roll out of bed and
Rob Simmelkjaer: run a marathon any day.
Camila Ramón: Yeah, I don't understand that.
Rob Simmelkjaer: I just feel like give yourself a break, not just
Rob Simmelkjaer: physically, but mentally.
Camila Ramón: Yeah. As somebody who's been running for a long time,
Camila Ramón: I definitely feel like the mental break is absolutely needed.
Camila Ramón: I have a question for you. If there's somebody who
Camila Ramón: potentially is going through something, recovering from an injury, going
Camila Ramón: through something, they're not able to run at the pace
Camila Ramón: that they want to run or the mileage that they
Camila Ramón: want to run, do you have any tips mindset- wise
Camila Ramón: to get them to move forward and to feel good?
Carrie Whitelam: Oh, that's a great question. I think thinking about what
Carrie Whitelam: got you there, and that everything that you're going through
Carrie Whitelam: between in that tougher period is just going to make
Carrie Whitelam: you a stronger runner on the other side of it.
Carrie Whitelam: Oftentimes, I'm working with runners who are injured and they're
Carrie Whitelam: not running right now, but we're working on things like cross-
Carrie Whitelam: training or strength training. And I actually... You guys were
Carrie Whitelam: speaking about Boston earlier. I had a runner who was
Carrie Whitelam: constantly, constantly running. And last training cycle, she dropped her
Carrie Whitelam: mileage quite a bit, really focused on some strength training
Carrie Whitelam: and PT, but then she also worked with a trainer
Carrie Whitelam: as well. And she actually ran a PR in Boston
Carrie Whitelam: a few weeks ago.
Camila Ramón: Wow.
Carrie Whitelam: So really, using that downtime. Even if you're not running,
Carrie Whitelam: there's plenty of other things that you can do to
Carrie Whitelam: help strengthen your body and make yourself more resilient.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Tell us about some of the folks you've worked with.
Rob Simmelkjaer: You've worked with collegiate athletes, professional athletes. What's a good
Rob Simmelkjaer: story of someone who, maybe, you really helped get a
Rob Simmelkjaer: big recovery or a comeback from an injury?
Carrie Whitelam: One story that comes to top of mind was I,
Carrie Whitelam: a couple of years ago, worked with a patient who
Carrie Whitelam: had multiple sacral stress fractures. She was a collegiate runner.
Carrie Whitelam: She got proper medical intervention to address bone health issues,
Carrie Whitelam: and we worked really hard on PT. She was patient.
Carrie Whitelam: She took the time recovering that she needed, was very
Carrie Whitelam: persistent and diligent about her return to running protocol. And
Carrie Whitelam: she actually ran her first marathon at the New York
Carrie Whitelam: City Marathon last year.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's amazing.
Camila Ramón: Wow. That's an incredible story. And as somebody who has
Camila Ramón: been to HSS for my accessory navicular bone, it's incredible
Camila Ramón: to also just get checked out and be adamant about
Camila Ramón: being consistent with your PT, even though... You don't have
Camila Ramón: to wait until you're fully injured and you literally can't
Camila Ramón: walk to go see a physical therapist. Take care of
Camila Ramón: your body, do your recovery, foam rolling, all of that stuff.
Camila Ramón: What else should they add?
Carrie Whitelam: I think you nailed it all.
Camila Ramón: Perfect.
Carrie Whitelam: And just making sure that you're giving yourself good recovery
Carrie Whitelam: on top of all the miles that you're running.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Shout out to my doctor, Jordan Metzl, at HSS, who
Rob Simmelkjaer: put three gel injections in my right knee earlier this
Rob Simmelkjaer: year. And now, I've been doing PT at a location
Rob Simmelkjaer: of HSS up in Connecticut. So, it's a journey.
Carrie Whitelam: Exactly.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And you mentioned the patient's thing. And that is, so often,
Rob Simmelkjaer: the hardest thing. I've actually had to take a decent
Rob Simmelkjaer: amount of time off since I ran Chicago. I've been
Rob Simmelkjaer: edging my way back to 5Ks now. But I come
Rob Simmelkjaer: to something like this and I'm like, " Oh, I want
Rob Simmelkjaer: to go back and run a hat."
Camila Ramón: And while you're in it, it also feels like it's just
Camila Ramón: never going to be over. You're like, " Oh my God,
Camila Ramón: I'm never going to be able to run again. I'm
Camila Ramón: never going to be able to jump again." But that's
Camila Ramón: not the case.
Carrie Whitelam: Yeah. And I think sometimes when you're in PT, you
Carrie Whitelam: can find solace in the stories from your therapist, or
Carrie Whitelam: even other patients that are there at the same time.
Carrie Whitelam: It's always funny when patients are icing at the end
Carrie Whitelam: of their session or something like that, swapping stories like, "
Carrie Whitelam: Oh, what are you in for?" And knowing that you're
Carrie Whitelam: not going through it alone, there's other patients going through
Carrie Whitelam: the same thing, other patients and runners have gone through
Carrie Whitelam: it in the past. So, it's tough when you're going
Carrie Whitelam: through it, but know that you'll come out stronger on
Carrie Whitelam: the other end.
Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. Carrie, thank you so much for being here.
Carrie Whitelam: Thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: And I hope all the runners out there are feeling
Rob Simmelkjaer: great, but if they're not, HSS is a place to go.
Carrie Whitelam: Absolutely.
Rob Simmelkjaer: So, thanks for joining us.
Camila Ramón: Thank you.
Carrie Whitelam: Thanks for having me.
Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. We got Tracy back down on the field,
Rob Simmelkjaer: talking to more of our finishers of the RBC Brooklyn
Rob Simmelkjaer: Half. So, let's head it down to Tracy.
Tracy: We are so happy to be back down on the
Tracy: field. And guess what? I'm extra excited to talk to
Tracy: Astrid, because we know a race like this with 29,000
Tracy: runners, it's going to be a lot of people have been here
Tracy: multiple times, and they... This is one of their traditions:
Tracy: to run the RBC Brooklyn Half. But for Astrid, a
Tracy: New Yorker, this is your very first. Not only RBC
Tracy: Brooklyn Half, but your first half- marathon ever. So first
Tracy: off, congratulations. That is gigantic milestone for a runner. So,
Tracy: tell us about that experience, and what it was different
Tracy: from how you might expect it, how you thought it
Tracy: was easier or harder. What was your experience like?
Astrid: So, this was my first time doing a half. I've
Astrid: been training. I trained in Central Park and around my
Astrid: neighborhood. I'm from East Harlem. And I feel like it
Astrid: was... I was expecting the worst. I kept hearing like, "
Astrid: This is a tough one. This is a tough one." So mentally,
Astrid: I felt like I was preparing for the worst. The
Astrid: hill, it was like, " Oh, the hill's going to kill
Astrid: you, but you got it. You got..." And when I did the hill, I was like, "
Astrid: Oh my God, I did the hill." So even though
Astrid: I didn't train as much as I wish I could
Astrid: have, it felt really good. I feel good. I did
Astrid: it. I never lost my breath. It was really good.
Tracy: I could see the afterglow on your face of a
Tracy: finisher, but also that little special twinkle in your eye
Tracy: of a first- time finisher. Tell me what was it like
Tracy: running all of Brooklyn, and especially finishing on that Coney
Tracy: Island boardwalk. Talk a little about the finish line, that breeze you experienced.
Astrid: It was great. I feel like when I was in
Astrid: mile 10, mentally I was like, "Okay, I just have like 3. 1 miles.
Astrid: I'm almost there." But then little by little, I felt
Astrid: like my body, my legs giving in at 11 and 12.
Astrid: And I was just like, " Is this almost done?" But
Astrid: then right when I was... I think it was like
Astrid: 800 meters left, I saw my brother. He's my little
Astrid: brother, but he's 28. And that gave me that boost
Astrid: that I needed, and it was the adrenaline rush and just
Astrid: giving it my all. So when you see everyone cheering,
Astrid: random people, strangers cheering for each other, people from the
Astrid: same country, from other countries, cultures, it just gives you
Astrid: that adrenaline that you need and that you wanted to just go for it.
Astrid: And it just feels like you're literally running the breeze.
Tracy: You could not have explained that any better. The community
Tracy: of running, the way we get together for cheer for
Tracy: one another. I'm cheering for you. I'm so happy to
Tracy: know you. I'm proud of you in this moment. Great
Tracy: job, Astrid. Congratulations. And we're going to send it back
Tracy: to you with smiles on our faces.
Rob Simmelkjaer: We've reached the end of another episode, but not just
Rob Simmelkjaer: another episode, a very special episode of Set the Pace
Rob Simmelkjaer: Presented by Peloton here at this amazing scene, at the after-
Rob Simmelkjaer: party of the RBC Brooklyn Half. And Camila Ramón, an amazing
Rob Simmelkjaer: debut as not just a guest, but a co- host as well.
Camila Ramón: How did I do?
Rob Simmelkjaer: You were an A plus. Can we give it up?
Camila Ramón: Thank you.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Let's have a round of applause for our Camila. Really great job.
Camila Ramón: Thank you so much. I had a blast. Whenever you need me, you
Camila Ramón: know where I am.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Absolutely. We will definitely have you back. It's been so much
Rob Simmelkjaer: fun. But first and foremost, congratulations to everybody out there.
Camila Ramón: Yes, congrats.
Rob Simmelkjaer: That's right. Congrats to all of our finishers out there.
Rob Simmelkjaer: Have a great recovery, but just enjoy it. You did
Rob Simmelkjaer: a great, great thing finishing this race on what was
Rob Simmelkjaer: not the easiest day to run. Hope you like this
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