1 00:00:00,450 --> 00:00:03,240 Phil Keoghan: Here's me talking about my hamstring and I didn't have time 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,149 Phil Keoghan: to train and all the rest of it. Meanwhile, running and 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,820 Phil Keoghan: I see on the back of someone's T- shirt, " I 4 00:00:08,820 --> 00:00:12,780 Phil Keoghan: have MS and it's not going to stop me." Or, " I have terminal 5 00:00:12,780 --> 00:00:17,250 Phil Keoghan: cancer and I'm going to finish this race." Just gritting 6 00:00:17,250 --> 00:00:20,790 Phil Keoghan: it out mile after mile after mile, the most inspirational 7 00:00:20,790 --> 00:00:24,750 Phil Keoghan: things. And it put my little hamstring into perspective of 8 00:00:24,750 --> 00:00:27,540 Phil Keoghan: sort of like, " Really? That's what you're going to talk 9 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:31,680 Phil Keoghan: about, your damn hamstring? This person is dealing with something 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,550 Phil Keoghan: so much bigger." 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hello and welcome to Set the Pace, the official podcast 12 00:00:40,530 --> 00:00:44,339 Rob Simmelkjaer: of New York Roadrunners presented by Peloton. I'm your host, 13 00:00:44,340 --> 00:00:47,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of New York Road Runners and 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: with me, my trusty co- host, Peloton instructor, Becs Gentry. Hey, Becs. 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,540 Becs Gentry: Hello. How are you? 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,461 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm great. Good to see you. 17 00:00:56,461 --> 00:00:56,791 Becs Gentry: You too. 18 00:00:56,820 --> 00:00:59,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: Okay. So the first thing I want to know, if 19 00:00:59,610 --> 00:01:02,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: you listened last week, you know that Becs, of course, 20 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:07,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: a Brit, was preparing to host Thanksgiving and looking to 21 00:01:07,260 --> 00:01:10,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: get some tips on making a turkey. And I actually 22 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:13,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: was able to send her some tips from my mom, 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,679 Rob Simmelkjaer: my mother, Gloria Simmelkjaer, who's taught me how to make 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,958 Rob Simmelkjaer: a turkey many years ago. Now it's like second nature 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: for me. So how did it go? How'd the turkey 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: turn out? 27 00:01:22,380 --> 00:01:23,940 Becs Gentry: Divine. Divine. 28 00:01:23,940 --> 00:01:24,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yes. 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,120 Becs Gentry: Gloria's recipe was a hit. 30 00:01:27,690 --> 00:01:27,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: Woo. 31 00:01:27,750 --> 00:01:30,720 Becs Gentry: Absolute hit. And I will caveat this with Rob sent 32 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:38,520 Becs Gentry: me no measurements or timing. It was literally a mom 33 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,970 Becs Gentry: recipe of, " This is what you put on. You rub 34 00:01:41,970 --> 00:01:45,120 Becs Gentry: the bird, you do this, you stuff it, et cetera." 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,330 Becs Gentry: And I was like, " How much? Oh my God." I 36 00:01:48,330 --> 00:01:50,250 Becs Gentry: was like, " Okay. So Rob has a pretty big family, 37 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:54,750 Becs Gentry: so I guess..." I was, yeah. So I winged it in true 38 00:01:54,750 --> 00:01:58,050 Becs Gentry: mom style, I channeled my inner Gloria Simmelkjaer, and I just was like, " 39 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,790 Becs Gentry: All right, we're doing this." 40 00:01:59,790 --> 00:02:00,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, I love it. 41 00:02:01,290 --> 00:02:03,930 Becs Gentry: It tasted amazing. My mother- in- law, when we went 42 00:02:03,930 --> 00:02:07,800 Becs Gentry: to the supermarket and I was buying yellow mustard, she 43 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,151 Becs Gentry: looked at me and she was like, "What?" 44 00:02:09,151 --> 00:02:12,361 Rob Simmelkjaer: Mustard on a turkey? Yes. Right. 45 00:02:12,361 --> 00:02:16,530 Becs Gentry: Yeah. She was like, " That's not traditional, Becs." So I was like, " Well, I'm 46 00:02:16,530 --> 00:02:20,550 Becs Gentry: not traditional, so let's go." And she's like, " Oh, you're 47 00:02:20,550 --> 00:02:23,250 Becs Gentry: not stuffing it with stuffing?" And I was like, " No, you're making the 48 00:02:23,250 --> 00:02:26,340 Becs Gentry: stuffing." She makes her mom's recipe. Her mom's stuffing is 49 00:02:26,430 --> 00:02:31,020 Becs Gentry: amazing, super, like so, so gorgeous, the stuffing. She's like, " 50 00:02:31,020 --> 00:02:34,200 Becs Gentry: But we're not going to stuff it?" And I was like, "No, because no, the recipe doesn't 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,930 Becs Gentry: call for it. And we don't eat that stuffing anyway." 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:37,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: Exactly. 53 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,600 Becs Gentry: So her just watching me shove like a whole onion 54 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,580 Becs Gentry: up this bird was hilarious, but it worked. Everybody raved 55 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:49,050 Becs Gentry: about it. The skin was perfectly brown and there wasn't 56 00:02:49,050 --> 00:02:51,480 Becs Gentry: much leftovers. So thank you to you and your mom. 57 00:02:51,570 --> 00:02:54,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm so glad to hear it. And yes, my mom, 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: Gloria Simmelkjaer, really taught me a long time ago how 59 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:01,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: to make a turkey. Now it's second nature. I don't 60 00:03:01,410 --> 00:03:04,139 Rob Simmelkjaer: even need measurements, I just kind of do it and it 61 00:03:04,139 --> 00:03:07,049 Rob Simmelkjaer: comes out great every time. So welcome to the club 62 00:03:07,050 --> 00:03:07,291 Rob Simmelkjaer: of Turkey Makers. 63 00:03:07,291 --> 00:03:07,651 Becs Gentry: Thank you. 64 00:03:08,070 --> 00:03:10,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm so glad that worked out and you guys had 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: a good Thanksgiving. 66 00:03:11,070 --> 00:03:14,610 Becs Gentry: Yeah. Rob was receiving text messages, pictures of our turkey. 67 00:03:14,610 --> 00:03:14,611 Rob Simmelkjaer: It was awesome. 68 00:03:14,611 --> 00:03:18,810 Becs Gentry: I will add, every parent is going to giggle at 69 00:03:18,810 --> 00:03:22,860 Becs Gentry: this because Tulula's three, she's at the age where she 70 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:25,710 Becs Gentry: wants to help. So she's watching me. I put the 71 00:03:25,710 --> 00:03:28,470 Becs Gentry: gloves on. I couldn't find the giblets. Rob, I pulled 72 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:31,590 Becs Gentry: the neck out, which nearly made me throw up. And 73 00:03:31,590 --> 00:03:34,320 Becs Gentry: everyone was telling me, they were like, " Deeper. Deeper, Becs. You got 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,490 Becs Gentry: to find the giblets. They're in there." I was like, " 75 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:37,500 Becs Gentry: They're not. " My sister- in- law and I were like, 76 00:03:37,590 --> 00:03:41,460 Becs Gentry: legs like, " This bird doesn't have them." I left them 77 00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:45,390 Becs Gentry: in. They were in a paper bag. It's fine. But 78 00:03:46,260 --> 00:03:48,090 Becs Gentry: Talula wanted to come up and help me. And she 79 00:03:48,090 --> 00:03:50,220 Becs Gentry: also thought it was hilarious that I had blue gloves on because I was like, " 80 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:56,370 Becs Gentry: Eh." She came up, she slapped the raw turkey with 81 00:03:56,370 --> 00:04:02,130 Becs Gentry: her hand and then kissed it. The germ in me and the mom in me 82 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:06,090 Becs Gentry: was just like, " I have to take her to the emergency room. 83 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,620 Becs Gentry: She has just kissed raw turkey." She loves animals, but 84 00:04:10,620 --> 00:04:12,391 Becs Gentry: loves eating. Yeah, so we kind of disinfected her. 85 00:04:12,391 --> 00:04:16,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, a little disinfecting after that would make sense. 86 00:04:16,770 --> 00:04:19,680 Becs Gentry: I was like, " Every parent is going to just understand 87 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,700 Becs Gentry: that three- year- old clamoring to help, but not quite 88 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:26,580 Becs Gentry: understanding that it is a highly poisonous situation." 89 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'd be reaching for the Listerine, for sure, at that point. Well, good. I'm glad to hear she made it 90 00:04:30,810 --> 00:04:32,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: through that without any salmonella. 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:33,481 Becs Gentry: She did. Yep. 92 00:04:33,481 --> 00:04:37,469 Rob Simmelkjaer: And everybody had a good Thanksgiving at your house. And on my 93 00:04:37,470 --> 00:04:40,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: end, it was great. I did my annual turkey trot. 94 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:41,400 Becs Gentry: You did? How did you do? 95 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,669 Rob Simmelkjaer: Here in Connecticut with the Piquata Running event. 96 00:04:44,669 --> 00:04:44,849 Becs Gentry: That was it. 97 00:04:45,510 --> 00:04:47,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: This event, by the way, in Southport, Connecticut, in its 98 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:48,481 Rob Simmelkjaer: 48th year. 99 00:04:48,481 --> 00:04:48,481 Becs Gentry: Wow. 100 00:04:48,481 --> 00:04:51,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: They had almost 5, 000 runners, and it was really 101 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:52,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great event. 102 00:04:52,381 --> 00:04:52,681 Becs Gentry: Whoa. 103 00:04:52,740 --> 00:04:55,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: And as I mentioned last week, I ran with a 104 00:04:55,710 --> 00:04:59,339 Rob Simmelkjaer: charity, a great group that I really enjoyed. It's called 105 00:04:59,339 --> 00:05:03,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: My Team Triumph. We basically had a team that pushed 106 00:05:03,690 --> 00:05:07,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: an athlete with disabilities, which was a lot of fun. 107 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: A guy named Craig, who was in the wheelchair, we 108 00:05:10,529 --> 00:05:13,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: pushed him for five miles, took turns, and it was 109 00:05:13,650 --> 00:05:16,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: awesome. I got to take the anchor leg the last 110 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:19,349 Rob Simmelkjaer: mile, and we had a really strong finish and got 111 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:21,479 Rob Simmelkjaer: lots and lots of cheers for Craig. So it was a 112 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,789 Rob Simmelkjaer: great, great day out there. I really enjoyed it. It's 113 00:05:23,790 --> 00:05:25,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great event. And I know there were a lot 114 00:05:25,890 --> 00:05:28,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: of turkey trots happening. I saw lots of folks on 115 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: Instagram putting up their shots from their turkey trots and 116 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:36,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: all that, so I hope everybody had a great weekend 117 00:05:36,180 --> 00:05:38,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: and a great Thanksgiving. It's now Thursday by the time 118 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: we're dropping this. So we are past Thanksgiving and fully 119 00:05:41,970 --> 00:05:46,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: into the holidays. And Becs, you are doing some really 120 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:48,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: special things for the holidays. I know you've got a 121 00:05:48,990 --> 00:05:52,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: great relationship with Save the Children. You were involved in 122 00:05:52,470 --> 00:05:55,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: a fundraiser out in LA with Jennifer Garner earlier this 123 00:05:55,380 --> 00:05:58,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: year, and it sounds like you're rebooting and doubling down 124 00:05:58,740 --> 00:06:00,719 Rob Simmelkjaer: on your Save the Children work for the holidays, which 125 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: of course is a great time to do it. 126 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:06,510 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. Today, as we're recording is Giving Tuesday, the second 127 00:06:06,510 --> 00:06:11,610 Becs Gentry: day in December. And it is essentially, I announced it 128 00:06:11,610 --> 00:06:13,620 Becs Gentry: last week, it is a reboot, as Rob said, of 129 00:06:13,620 --> 00:06:18,089 Becs Gentry: 67 Strong for Kids, which is an initiative that Jen 130 00:06:18,089 --> 00:06:21,150 Becs Gentry: and I put together earlier this year. The start of 131 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:25,350 Becs Gentry: summer, Jen decided to move for 67 days, a mile 132 00:06:25,410 --> 00:06:32,370 Becs Gentry: walking, jogging, running, whatever, cycling. And it just got so 133 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,150 Becs Gentry: much traction. And between the two of us, I joined 134 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:41,310 Becs Gentry: her, and together we created a finale event out in 135 00:06:41,310 --> 00:06:45,390 Becs Gentry: LA, which was a one- mile get together of movement. In 136 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,910 Becs Gentry: that 67 days, we raised over $ 600,000 for Save the 137 00:06:50,910 --> 00:06:55,740 Becs Gentry: Children, which is just so much nutrition for undernourished children. 138 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:58,979 Becs Gentry: And so we decided to reboot it for the holiday 139 00:06:58,980 --> 00:07:03,210 Becs Gentry: season, A, to help raise awareness and funds for the 140 00:07:03,210 --> 00:07:05,490 Becs Gentry: children who need it the most in the world. And 141 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,670 Becs Gentry: secondly, just to help people get a little extra motivation 142 00:07:08,670 --> 00:07:11,880 Becs Gentry: to move in this holiday season and in the new 143 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,960 Becs Gentry: year, but move gently. We don't need to be absolutely 144 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,360 Becs Gentry: crushing. At this time of year, our cortisol levels are 145 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,970 Becs Gentry: probably super high as it is with all of the events, 146 00:07:20,970 --> 00:07:25,590 Becs Gentry: the social obligations, Christmas, holidays, whatever you celebrate, there's a 147 00:07:25,590 --> 00:07:28,920 Becs Gentry: tension around this beautiful period of time as well and we 148 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,320 Becs Gentry: don't need to be making movements something that creates more 149 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,460 Becs Gentry: stress in our world. So just taking the dogs for 150 00:07:35,460 --> 00:07:37,260 Becs Gentry: a mile walk, or a half a mile walk with 151 00:07:37,260 --> 00:07:39,000 Becs Gentry: the dogs and a half a mile walk by yourself. 152 00:07:39,630 --> 00:07:43,320 Becs Gentry: That's absolutely ample for this time of year. So it's 153 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Becs Gentry: just helping that extra bit of love and it really does 154 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,630 Becs Gentry: go such a long way. So feel free to head 155 00:07:48,630 --> 00:07:50,940 Becs Gentry: to my Instagram page to learn more. You can create 156 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,700 Becs Gentry: a team of your own. If you have a big 157 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:56,010 Becs Gentry: family, you have a big group of friends, work, whatever, you 158 00:07:56,010 --> 00:07:57,660 Becs Gentry: can create your own team, see how much you can 159 00:07:57,660 --> 00:08:01,740 Becs Gentry: fundraise over 67 days. Yeah, I think it's just a 160 00:08:01,740 --> 00:08:03,780 Becs Gentry: really nice and low lift. 161 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: Love it. Absolutely love it. That's great. Congratulations. 162 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:08,221 Becs Gentry: Thank you. 163 00:08:08,221 --> 00:08:10,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: A great organization, Save the Children. 164 00:08:10,770 --> 00:08:10,920 Becs Gentry: It is. 165 00:08:11,790 --> 00:08:13,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: One of the great nonprofits in the world doing great 166 00:08:13,830 --> 00:08:17,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: work around the world for children. So thank you for 167 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:21,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: all of that. We have running happening again this weekend in 168 00:08:21,810 --> 00:08:23,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York City. The Ted Corbett- 169 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:24,301 Becs Gentry: Woohoo. 170 00:08:24,301 --> 00:08:27,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: ... 15K will be happening on Saturday in Central Park. 171 00:08:28,140 --> 00:08:32,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: 15K, a distance that you don't see very often. People 172 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:36,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: don't run it very often. I love this event. I'll 173 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: be there on Saturday. I'm not going to be running. 174 00:08:38,670 --> 00:08:41,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm still kind of taking time off from any kind 175 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:43,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: of distance running. I'm not really doing more than about 176 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: five miles. I'm getting my body back to a place 177 00:08:46,890 --> 00:08:49,679 Rob Simmelkjaer: where it feels like doing that. But I've run this 178 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: race, I think, for the last two years, and it's 179 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: just fun. It's a great event. The great spirit, of 180 00:08:56,340 --> 00:09:00,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: course, honoring Ted Corbett, the founding president of New York 181 00:09:00,450 --> 00:09:05,309 Rob Simmelkjaer: Road Runners, a legend in the history of American distance 182 00:09:05,309 --> 00:09:08,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: running, really the father of American distance running, and we're 183 00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:12,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: always so thrilled to have this race. Great medals set 184 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:14,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: up for it, a great event in Central Park. So 185 00:09:14,580 --> 00:09:17,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: looking forward to seeing everybody out there in the park 186 00:09:17,490 --> 00:09:19,981 Rob Simmelkjaer: for the Ted Corbett 15K on Sunday. 187 00:09:19,981 --> 00:09:19,982 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. 188 00:09:19,982 --> 00:09:25,199 Rob Simmelkjaer: Well, Becs, on today's show, have you watched The Amazing Race? 189 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: Are you a fan of this show? 190 00:09:26,729 --> 00:09:29,220 Becs Gentry: I have. I've watched it. I wouldn't call myself a 191 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:35,429 Becs Gentry: fan just because I haven't become obsessed, but I've definitely 192 00:09:35,429 --> 00:09:36,360 Becs Gentry: watched it. Yeah. 193 00:09:36,510 --> 00:09:38,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: I mean, it's a legendary show. I watched it back in 194 00:09:38,940 --> 00:09:41,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: the early days. I can't believe the show is now 195 00:09:41,850 --> 00:09:44,191 Rob Simmelkjaer: in its 39th season, which is amazing. 196 00:09:44,191 --> 00:09:44,790 Becs Gentry: That's crazy. Oh my God. 197 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:48,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: I mean, not many, almost any shows have that kind 198 00:09:48,420 --> 00:09:49,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: of longevity. 199 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:50,581 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 200 00:09:50,581 --> 00:09:54,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: But it's obviously a great event. It shows people what 201 00:09:54,780 --> 00:09:57,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: humans are capable of and some of the fears that 202 00:09:57,690 --> 00:10:01,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: they can overcome, which I love. Well, the host of 203 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:04,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: The Amazing Race, Phil Keoghan, not only does he host 204 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:07,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: that, but he also has something called a Buckit List, right? 205 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,339 Rob Simmelkjaer: His life of adventure, which you can imagine for someone 206 00:10:11,340 --> 00:10:13,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: who hosts The Amazing Race, is all about having these 207 00:10:13,650 --> 00:10:17,309 Rob Simmelkjaer: experiences. He calls it a Buckit List, B- U- C- K- I- 208 00:10:17,309 --> 00:10:21,809 Rob Simmelkjaer: T. And on November 2nd, Phil checked something pretty big 209 00:10:21,809 --> 00:10:25,319 Rob Simmelkjaer: off that Buckit List. The Amazing Race, as we like 210 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: to call it, the TCS New York City Marathon. Phil crossed 211 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:32,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: the finish line, his first ever marathon, right in Central 212 00:10:32,940 --> 00:10:35,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: Park running the TCS New York City Marathon. And he's 213 00:10:35,550 --> 00:10:38,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: going to join me, Becs, you missed out on that conversation, 214 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:43,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: so me and Phil solo chatting about his amazing race 215 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: on November 2nd, the show The Amazing Race, as well 216 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:50,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: as all the amazing things that Phil has done in 217 00:10:50,429 --> 00:10:52,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: his life. So that's coming up in just a minute. 218 00:10:52,170 --> 00:10:54,329 Rob Simmelkjaer: And then Meb will be here with a New York Road 219 00:10:54,330 --> 00:10:59,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: Runners member, Michael Ring, who if you watched our great 220 00:10:59,250 --> 00:11:04,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: documentary, Final Finishers, Michael Ring was one of the characters 221 00:11:04,410 --> 00:11:08,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: who was highlighted in that film. He has crossed the 222 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: finish line in Central Park 26 times. The last seven 223 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:15,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: of them, after recovering from a devastating case of Guillain- 224 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,229 Rob Simmelkjaer: Barre Syndrome, Michael's not only an incredibly aspiring runner, but 225 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:21,179 Rob Simmelkjaer: he's also, as I said, one of the stars of 226 00:11:21,179 --> 00:11:23,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: that film. And I think one of the people who 227 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: makes that film really special. So make sure you check 228 00:11:26,850 --> 00:11:29,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: that out as well, and you can get a little tease 229 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: of the film by listening to Meb and Michael a 230 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: little bit later on in the show. And then finally, 231 00:11:35,670 --> 00:11:38,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: spring actually starts in December. Did you know that? 232 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:39,000 Becs Gentry: Sure. 233 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:39,631 Rob Simmelkjaer: I didn't know that. 234 00:11:39,631 --> 00:11:39,631 Becs Gentry: I wish. 235 00:11:39,631 --> 00:11:44,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: It may be freezing out there, but me too. On today's Meb Minute, Meb's going to explain why 236 00:11:44,910 --> 00:11:48,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: December training is absolutely critical for staying healthy and setting 237 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: yourself up for those spring races. So stay tuned for 238 00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:56,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: that. It's just a run until it's a race until 239 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:59,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: you put everything on the line to cross the finish 240 00:11:59,490 --> 00:12:03,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: line. And it's just water until it's Culligan, because when 241 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:05,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: it comes to running your marathon, you get out what 242 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,569 Rob Simmelkjaer: you put in. So train with cleaner, safer, better tasting 243 00:12:09,570 --> 00:12:14,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: water, and go further with certified Culligan filtration. Culligan, water 244 00:12:14,910 --> 00:12:18,809 Rob Simmelkjaer: you love. Culligan is the official water solutions partner of the 245 00:12:18,809 --> 00:12:23,579 Rob Simmelkjaer: TCS New York City Marathon. Visit culligan. com/ marathon to 246 00:12:23,580 --> 00:12:26,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: learn more. We all know the TCS New York City 247 00:12:26,670 --> 00:12:30,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon is an amazing race, but our guest today is 248 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,080 Rob Simmelkjaer: the host of The Amazing Race, New Zealand- born television host, 249 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: Phil Keoghan. He's a man who has spent his life 250 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:42,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: chasing adventure after adventure. He's ridden his bike across America. 251 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: He set a world record in bungee jumping, and he 252 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: retraced a 1928 Tour de France route on an 85- year- 253 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:52,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: old bike. He decided to make the TCS New York 254 00:12:52,230 --> 00:12:55,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: City Marathon his latest adventure, and it's a pleasure to 255 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: have Phil on Set The Pace. Welcome, Phil. How are you? 256 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,570 Phil Keoghan: I'm good. I'm in New Zealand. I'm sitting in the 257 00:13:03,570 --> 00:13:06,090 Phil Keoghan: garden of my parents' place, so you might hear the 258 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:10,590 Phil Keoghan: birds chirping. We're a little earlier than you, so they're 259 00:13:10,590 --> 00:13:13,920 Phil Keoghan: just waking up and probably ready to steal some of 260 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,380 Phil Keoghan: my dad's beautiful fruit from the garden. 261 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: That is the kind of scene I think about when 262 00:13:20,850 --> 00:13:24,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: I think about New Zealand. Beautiful, green, natural. So it's 263 00:13:24,660 --> 00:13:26,819 Rob Simmelkjaer: great to have you with us from such a great 264 00:13:27,179 --> 00:13:32,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: setting. And you're back home in New Zealand after running 265 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: 26.2 miles through the five boroughs of New York City. 266 00:13:36,750 --> 00:13:39,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: I guess I want to start by asking you, how 267 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: has it been since the marathon? Have you reflected at 268 00:13:42,210 --> 00:13:45,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: all on your accomplishment and what was the experience like 269 00:13:45,330 --> 00:13:47,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: for you to run here in New York? 270 00:13:49,199 --> 00:13:52,020 Phil Keoghan: Everything that everybody said it was going to be, and 271 00:13:52,020 --> 00:13:57,300 Phil Keoghan: more. Yeah, the energy of running through the five boroughs, 272 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:03,270 Phil Keoghan: the different nationalities, it really was, I think sort of 273 00:14:03,270 --> 00:14:08,429 Phil Keoghan: came at a good time as far as seeing America 274 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:14,550 Phil Keoghan: as united. There's a lot of distension out there in 275 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:16,709 Phil Keoghan: the country, and so it was just nice to see 276 00:14:17,610 --> 00:14:22,200 Phil Keoghan: Uruguayans dancing, and we saw people from Poland dancing, and 277 00:14:23,550 --> 00:14:28,770 Phil Keoghan: I think the best music came from Portuguese group who 278 00:14:28,770 --> 00:14:32,430 Phil Keoghan: were... Well, as far as getting pumped up music is 279 00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:36,930 Phil Keoghan: concerned. And people were handing out treats and hydration and 280 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:41,640 Phil Keoghan: food. It was truly extraordinary. Yeah, it was really great. And 281 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,860 Phil Keoghan: a lot of Amazing Race fans heard that I was 282 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:46,979 Phil Keoghan: running, so they came out with signs and asking to 283 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:51,270 Phil Keoghan: be on the show, and it kept me distracted. So 284 00:14:52,410 --> 00:14:56,460 Phil Keoghan: it was everything. It really is probably New York's greatest 285 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:57,120 Phil Keoghan: event, I think. 286 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, yeah. No, we definitely think so. So you've done so many incredible 287 00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:07,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: things. Obviously hosting this show, which is an incredible success. 288 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: Season 39, by the way, was shooting during your training 289 00:15:12,090 --> 00:15:13,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: for this race. We'll talk about that in a second, 290 00:15:13,650 --> 00:15:17,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: but how did running a marathon and running this marathon 291 00:15:17,730 --> 00:15:22,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: end up as at the top of your Buckit List for 2025? 292 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:30,240 Phil Keoghan: Well, Terence, who was on season 13 of Amazing Race, 293 00:15:30,990 --> 00:15:34,561 Phil Keoghan: he was a great runner, he's always been a great runner, and he's been asking me- 294 00:15:34,561 --> 00:15:37,411 Rob Simmelkjaer: Terence Gerchberg, you're talking about. 295 00:15:37,411 --> 00:15:37,412 Phil Keoghan: Yeah, Gershberg. 296 00:15:37,412 --> 00:15:37,412 Rob Simmelkjaer: Terence Gerchberg. Yeah. 297 00:15:37,412 --> 00:15:43,050 Phil Keoghan: I'm sorry. Terence Gerchberg. He is from a wonderful organization called Back on 298 00:15:43,050 --> 00:15:45,750 Phil Keoghan: My Feet, which is about helping people who have lost 299 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:47,970 Phil Keoghan: their homes or maybe lost their jobs, lost their way. 300 00:15:48,330 --> 00:15:52,410 Phil Keoghan: And his organization helps get people back on their feet, 301 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,310 Phil Keoghan: literally into running programs and through the discipline of turning 302 00:15:56,310 --> 00:16:01,380 Phil Keoghan: up to train every day. They have a very high percentage 303 00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:06,090 Phil Keoghan: rate of getting people back into work and back into 304 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:09,180 Phil Keoghan: homes. And he's been asking me for a long, long 305 00:16:09,180 --> 00:16:11,760 Phil Keoghan: time, he's always been a huge supporter of my philanthropic 306 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,210 Phil Keoghan: efforts, which I take very seriously, and I just thought 307 00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:18,210 Phil Keoghan: the timing was never good because I was always coming 308 00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:22,560 Phil Keoghan: off shooting an Amazing Race season. It's impossible to train 309 00:16:23,730 --> 00:16:27,840 Phil Keoghan: properly because we shoot 12 shows in 21 days and 310 00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:30,330 Phil Keoghan: you really need to put the work in to run 311 00:16:30,330 --> 00:16:32,700 Phil Keoghan: a marathon. And I just kept putting it off and 312 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:35,609 Phil Keoghan: putting it off and putting it off with him because 313 00:16:35,610 --> 00:16:42,060 Phil Keoghan: I wanted to be ready. And finally I committed and 314 00:16:42,270 --> 00:16:44,190 Phil Keoghan: knowing that I was not going to be able to 315 00:16:44,190 --> 00:16:49,200 Phil Keoghan: train properly, but thought, " Well, I can just muscle my 316 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,980 Phil Keoghan: way, use my mental fortitude to get through it." And the 317 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:57,870 Phil Keoghan: training was going pretty well for a while, and then 318 00:16:57,900 --> 00:17:01,710 Phil Keoghan: I ended up tearing my hamstring doing some track work. 319 00:17:02,370 --> 00:17:04,560 Phil Keoghan: And I've never torn a hamstring in my life, I've 320 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,740 Phil Keoghan: never had any injuries like that before, and it was 321 00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:14,250 Phil Keoghan: unbelievably painful. And I tried to run and it was 322 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:16,199 Phil Keoghan: just getting worse. And then finally, when I went to 323 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,060 Phil Keoghan: physio, they just said, " You got to stop running. I 324 00:17:18,060 --> 00:17:20,520 Phil Keoghan: mean, you literally have to just stop." So I was 325 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Phil Keoghan: doing everything but running. I was riding, I was walking. 326 00:17:25,050 --> 00:17:27,990 Phil Keoghan: The physio said, " Anything that hurts, you just can't do 327 00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:30,600 Phil Keoghan: it." So I found riding a bike was fine so 328 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,379 Phil Keoghan: I could keep my aerobic fitness up. And then I 329 00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:38,250 Phil Keoghan: went on Race and I didn't have a lot of time to train. 330 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:41,880 Phil Keoghan: And I tried running and time was getting short, getting 331 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,010 Phil Keoghan: closer and closer towards the New York Marathon. I didn't 332 00:17:44,010 --> 00:17:47,970 Phil Keoghan: want to pull out, I'd committed. And the physio said, " 333 00:17:47,970 --> 00:17:49,800 Phil Keoghan: Well, go do a test and see how you go." 334 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,899 Phil Keoghan: So I went and I ran one mile and I 335 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:55,350 Phil Keoghan: got this terrible pain in my hamstring. So I rested another 336 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:57,570 Phil Keoghan: week and then I ran two miles and then I 337 00:17:57,570 --> 00:17:59,460 Phil Keoghan: got the pain. Then three miles I got the pain. And 338 00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:03,630 Phil Keoghan: then four miles. I got to four miles. And then 339 00:18:03,690 --> 00:18:05,850 Phil Keoghan: my physio was like, " Listen, you're not going to get 340 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:10,980 Phil Keoghan: any more running fit. It's lucky dip as to whether 341 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:13,169 Phil Keoghan: your leg is going to hold up if you rest 342 00:18:13,170 --> 00:18:16,470 Phil Keoghan: it, but that's your best chance." So that's what I 343 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:23,760 Phil Keoghan: did. And I decided that I needed to check my 344 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,790 Phil Keoghan: ego. I was really keen on getting under four hours, 345 00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:31,050 Phil Keoghan: but I decided I had to really check my ego and just 346 00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:35,550 Phil Keoghan: run really, really conservatively just to finish with and not 347 00:18:35,550 --> 00:18:38,340 Phil Keoghan: stop. And so that's the approach that I took going 348 00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:42,480 Phil Keoghan: into it. So I was untrained, but full of lots 349 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,439 Phil Keoghan: of determination. 350 00:18:44,130 --> 00:18:48,419 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, absolutely. And you got it done. Over four hours, 351 00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:51,869 Rob Simmelkjaer: but not a lot over, and that's obviously an incredible 352 00:18:51,869 --> 00:18:56,939 Rob Simmelkjaer: accomplishment, given especially what you were going through injury- wise and the 353 00:18:56,940 --> 00:19:03,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: challenge. Talk about a season of filming your show, Amazing 354 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:06,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: Race, and what those days are like. I can only 355 00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:08,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: imagine how hard it must have been, even if you 356 00:19:08,490 --> 00:19:11,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: were healthy to try to squeeze in the training hours. 357 00:19:12,210 --> 00:19:15,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: What's a day or a week life like when you're 358 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,169 Rob Simmelkjaer: going through the process of getting that show taped? 359 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,119 Phil Keoghan: The teams and their crews are on a completely different 360 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:29,130 Phil Keoghan: schedule from us making the show. They'll run a leg 361 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,940 Phil Keoghan: and then they're down for a day while we prepare 362 00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:38,850 Phil Keoghan: for the next leg. But our schedule is just every 363 00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:41,220 Phil Keoghan: day. It just does not stop. We don't have any 364 00:19:41,220 --> 00:19:45,330 Phil Keoghan: down days. There's no rest. And a lot of our 365 00:19:46,619 --> 00:19:50,250 Phil Keoghan: travel happens at night. So we'll shoot all day, we'll 366 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:53,879 Phil Keoghan: fly through the night. Sometimes we have connections in the 367 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,919 Phil Keoghan: middle of the night, and then we get up and 368 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,590 Phil Keoghan: then we shoot all day, and then we'll shoot all 369 00:19:58,590 --> 00:20:00,119 Phil Keoghan: day, and then we get on another flight, and we'll 370 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,609 Phil Keoghan: fly all night. So there are times where, it happened 371 00:20:02,609 --> 00:20:05,879 Phil Keoghan: this season, I think, where we had three nights back 372 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,080 Phil Keoghan: to back where our sleep was on a plane. And 373 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:13,230 Phil Keoghan: we actually pray for the longer flights because we get 374 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:15,540 Phil Keoghan: more rest. It's the shorter ones that really get you 375 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:17,129 Phil Keoghan: because you get woken up in the middle of the 376 00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:20,070 Phil Keoghan: night to go transfer to get another flight. Get up 377 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:22,979 Phil Keoghan: and you're groggy and you get up and you go. 378 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:30,300 Phil Keoghan: So it's just full on. There's no rest. And not 379 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:34,740 Phil Keoghan: a lot of people have survived doing all 39 seasons. 380 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:37,919 Phil Keoghan: I think there's only maybe two of us that have 381 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:42,750 Phil Keoghan: been there right from the beginning on the road, just 382 00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:46,740 Phil Keoghan: because it's so brutal. The attrition rate is pretty high 383 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:52,170 Phil Keoghan: on the crew and it's a marathon literally to get 384 00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:55,590 Phil Keoghan: through it and takes a lot of mental fortitude. And 385 00:20:55,859 --> 00:20:57,570 Phil Keoghan: the last thing you feel like doing, even if you 386 00:20:57,570 --> 00:21:02,910 Phil Keoghan: have time, is to go do a run. So you do 387 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:07,680 Phil Keoghan: get your standing on your feet hours clocked in, because 388 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,510 Phil Keoghan: you're on your feet a lot, but yeah, there's not 389 00:21:12,510 --> 00:21:16,290 Phil Keoghan: really a chance to do the proper type of training 390 00:21:16,290 --> 00:21:17,520 Phil Keoghan: that you're meant to do for a marathon. 391 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:22,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. How were you able to draw on your mental 392 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:25,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: fortitude that you get from taping the show? You mentioned 393 00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:28,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: that that's really what you relied on when you ran 394 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: the marathon. And I saw a video of you at 395 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: the finish line where you thanked your donors and talked 396 00:21:34,290 --> 00:21:38,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: about the fact that you suffered for it. You definitely felt 397 00:21:38,580 --> 00:21:41,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: the pain, especially in those last, I think you said, 398 00:21:41,010 --> 00:21:44,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: six miles or so. So talk about that day and 399 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: how you were able to draw on some of that 400 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:51,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: stamina that you've developed from actually hosting the show. 401 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,169 Phil Keoghan: Well, the hardest thing, yes, hosting the show, the mental 402 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:58,230 Phil Keoghan: fortitude of that. And then also the ride that I 403 00:21:58,230 --> 00:22:04,379 Phil Keoghan: did around France in 2013, that took more mental fortitude 404 00:22:04,380 --> 00:22:06,780 Phil Keoghan: of anything I've ever done in my life. I rode 3, 405 00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:13,710 Phil Keoghan: 332 miles in 26 days on an 85- year- old 406 00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:17,939 Phil Keoghan: bicycle, 150 miles a day. And some of those days 407 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:22,139 Phil Keoghan: were 23 and a half hours of riding. That was the 408 00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:24,810 Phil Keoghan: longest stage, it was called the Death Stage. And back 409 00:22:24,810 --> 00:22:28,109 Phil Keoghan: in 1920, because we retraced the 1928 Tour de France, 410 00:22:28,109 --> 00:22:32,460 Phil Keoghan: every mile, every mountain on the original bikes. We had it 411 00:22:32,460 --> 00:22:35,369 Phil Keoghan: a lot easier than they did back then because a lot of the 412 00:22:35,369 --> 00:22:39,000 Phil Keoghan: roads were unsealed in 1928, and we at least had sealed 413 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,879 Phil Keoghan: roads. But riding a single speed bike up some of 414 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,189 Phil Keoghan: those mountains, the Tourmale, the (foreign language) , I was hallucinating 415 00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:49,140 Phil Keoghan: in the middle of the night with my buddy Ben. 416 00:22:49,980 --> 00:22:53,850 Phil Keoghan: I was really, really seeing things. So I've taken myself, 417 00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:59,040 Phil Keoghan: mentally, to extremes when my body has started to fail, 418 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,600 Phil Keoghan: and my mind, I knew I had the mental fortitude. 419 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,540 Phil Keoghan: It was really just a matter of the physicality of, 420 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:13,859 Phil Keoghan: on a bicycle, the strain on your muscles, the jarringness 421 00:23:13,859 --> 00:23:17,220 Phil Keoghan: on your muscles is very different. It's hard to explain, 422 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:21,659 Phil Keoghan: but my heart rate never went over 135 when I 423 00:23:21,660 --> 00:23:28,050 Phil Keoghan: ran the mararathon. It was all about my anaerobic. It was 424 00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:31,650 Phil Keoghan: about my muscles trying to just literally keep on moving, 425 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,469 Phil Keoghan: but I never felt out of breath. Whereas when I 426 00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:38,940 Phil Keoghan: rode on a bike or you're in a race, your 427 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:42,720 Phil Keoghan: heart rate's screaming through the roof, and then that's what 428 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,699 Phil Keoghan: gives out before your legs give out. Your legs are 429 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:48,750 Phil Keoghan: trained and it's your lungs, you just can't breathe and 430 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:52,260 Phil Keoghan: fire your legs. So it was quite a different experience. 431 00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:55,560 Phil Keoghan: So I knew I had the mental fortitude. But the 432 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,450 Phil Keoghan: best thing, the best advice I got was, just before 433 00:24:00,450 --> 00:24:06,420 Phil Keoghan: the race started, another runner, an experienced runner came up 434 00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:08,580 Phil Keoghan: and he was one of the runners that has run, 435 00:24:08,609 --> 00:24:10,530 Phil Keoghan: what is it, more than 20 marathons? 436 00:24:11,070 --> 00:24:12,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: The Streakers, yeah. 437 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:16,230 Phil Keoghan: Yeah, exactly. And he said to me, he said, " Have 438 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:19,320 Phil Keoghan: you ever run a marathon before?" I said, " No." He said, " 439 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,730 Phil Keoghan: How fit are you?" And I said, " Well, I'm not 440 00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:28,199 Phil Keoghan: a 100%. I'm nursing an injury." He said, " Listen, no 441 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,060 Phil Keoghan: matter what anybody tells you, the halfway mark is 20 442 00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:36,270 Phil Keoghan: miles." He said, " You might be feeling really, really good 443 00:24:36,270 --> 00:24:39,240 Phil Keoghan: up to 20 miles and think, " I've only got six 444 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,189 Phil Keoghan: miles to run and who can't run six miles." But 445 00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:46,830 Phil Keoghan: he said, " Do not underestimate the last 6.2 miles. That 446 00:24:46,830 --> 00:24:48,840 Phil Keoghan: is when you're going to have to dig on everything 447 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,510 Phil Keoghan: you've got." He said, " No matter how good you're feeling, 448 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:55,530 Phil Keoghan: 18 miles you feel good, don't get ahead of yourself, 449 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,580 Phil Keoghan: just pace yourself." And that was the best advice. So 450 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:02,190 Phil Keoghan: I ran out the first mile. I thought, " I'm going 451 00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:04,890 Phil Keoghan: super slow." I ran the first mile in a 10 and a half 452 00:25:04,890 --> 00:25:07,109 Phil Keoghan: minute mile up the hill on the Verzano. I was like, " 453 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,410 Phil Keoghan: Okay, I'm not going to look at my watch." I never 454 00:25:10,410 --> 00:25:13,409 Phil Keoghan: looked at my watch once as far as what my 455 00:25:13,410 --> 00:25:15,600 Phil Keoghan: time was going to be. I was just all about, " 456 00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:19,109 Phil Keoghan: Do not stop and do not push yourself, and pay 457 00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:22,320 Phil Keoghan: careful attention to every single thing that's going on in 458 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,990 Phil Keoghan: your body, and just back it down, back it down, 459 00:25:24,990 --> 00:25:26,580 Phil Keoghan: back it down." And as soon as I felt like 460 00:25:26,580 --> 00:25:29,820 Phil Keoghan: a tiny little tinge in my hamstring, I just backed 461 00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:32,040 Phil Keoghan: it off. And I'll tell you what, he was so 462 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,859 Phil Keoghan: right. When I got to 20 miles, I felt great. 463 00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:39,660 Phil Keoghan: And then 20.1 miles, I was like, " Oh, my legs 464 00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:43,140 Phil Keoghan: are getting heavy." And then we started going down this 465 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:46,770 Phil Keoghan: little incline and I was going slower down than I 466 00:25:46,770 --> 00:25:49,590 Phil Keoghan: was going up or on the flat. My legs were 467 00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:54,300 Phil Keoghan: killing me. And the last three or four miles, I 468 00:25:54,300 --> 00:26:01,770 Phil Keoghan: was in absolute agony. I just wasn't in the condition. 469 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,240 Phil Keoghan: Again, heart rate, low, but legs, they just felt like 470 00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:08,940 Phil Keoghan: bricks. I felt like I was trying to move sandbags. 471 00:26:08,940 --> 00:26:09,750 Phil Keoghan: It was like- 472 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh yeah. 473 00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:12,990 Phil Keoghan: You know what I'm talking about. 474 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: Very much know that feeling. Everybody who's run a marathon 475 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: or runs a lot, you're going to have days like 476 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: that. And pretty much everybody, once you get to those 477 00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:24,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: last few miles of a marathon, no matter how well- 478 00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:28,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: trained you are, you feel like you are carrying bags 479 00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:31,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: of bricks inside both of your legs. And I know 480 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: that feeling very well. I had that feeling in Chicago, 481 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: where I ran a marathon in October. So yes, it's 482 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: tough and at that point- 483 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,060 Phil Keoghan: It's a real thing, right? 484 00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:39,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's real. 485 00:26:40,619 --> 00:26:46,649 Phil Keoghan: It's real. And it doesn't sound like that far. Some 486 00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:50,159 Phil Keoghan: years ago, I putted a golf ball across Scotland and 487 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:56,550 Phil Keoghan: it was 104 miles. I did it in four days. 488 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,920 Phil Keoghan: So it's just over four marathons that I walked and 489 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,660 Phil Keoghan: while hitting a golf ball. And so I know that 490 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:11,730 Phil Keoghan: distance, it's not like the distance intimidated me. And just 491 00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:13,980 Phil Keoghan: yesterday, I was doing some work in the garden for 492 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,800 Phil Keoghan: my parents and I clocked up a half a marathon 493 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Phil Keoghan: just walking around the garden, trimming and cutting, and moving 494 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,490 Phil Keoghan: around. So it wasn't the distance, it was just to 495 00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:29,730 Phil Keoghan: run and to ask your body to run. The conclusion 496 00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:34,200 Phil Keoghan: I came to was you can kind of run to 497 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,369 Phil Keoghan: around that 18- 20 mile mark with just sort of basic 498 00:27:38,369 --> 00:27:41,250 Phil Keoghan: fitness, but if you want to be a marathon runner, 499 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:43,770 Phil Keoghan: you got to work on how to prepare for 20 to 26.2. That's the part you got to work on. 500 00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:50,909 Rob Simmelkjaer: 100%. 100%. It really is two different races and your 501 00:27:50,910 --> 00:27:52,949 Rob Simmelkjaer: friend gave you excellent advice. 502 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,330 Phil Keoghan: I'm so glad he saw me. 503 00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:54,751 Rob Simmelkjaer: That last six miles. 504 00:27:54,751 --> 00:27:58,859 Phil Keoghan: I'm so glad. Because I think what I would have done, I 505 00:27:58,859 --> 00:28:00,659 Phil Keoghan: think what I would've done is I would've run to 506 00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:04,380 Phil Keoghan: 13 miles and I would've thought, " I feel good," because 507 00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:08,730 Phil Keoghan: I did. " I'm not working, my heart rate's low. Push 508 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:12,450 Phil Keoghan: it," because in a bike race, you would never ride 509 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:16,410 Phil Keoghan: a bike race at 135 heart rate, so I would've 510 00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:19,740 Phil Keoghan: pushed it and I would've thought, " Push it to 145, 511 00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:23,340 Phil Keoghan: push it to 150. You can sit 145- 150 for a few 512 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,580 Phil Keoghan: hours, no problem." And I think that's where I would've 513 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,760 Phil Keoghan: totally messed up the race because I would've gone hard 514 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,410 Phil Keoghan: and I would've run the next six, seven miles at 515 00:28:34,410 --> 00:28:38,850 Phil Keoghan: that pace, and then I would've just collapsed. I don't 516 00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:42,300 Phil Keoghan: think I would've been able to finish it properly. So it 517 00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:48,510 Phil Keoghan: was the best advice. And I had a fantastic coach 518 00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:53,370 Phil Keoghan: with me, a friend of Terence's who came with me, 519 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Phil Keoghan: Raymond, and I mean, he sacrificed his race to be 520 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,330 Phil Keoghan: able to pace me out because we'd raised money and 521 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,990 Phil Keoghan: he wanted to see me finish and he was incredibly 522 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:10,530 Phil Keoghan: encouraging. But I ran the last three, four miles, definitely 523 00:29:10,590 --> 00:29:15,660 Phil Keoghan: just pure guts. There was no finesse, I looked pretty 524 00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:19,800 Phil Keoghan: ugly running, just trudging along. I saw a video of myself, it just looked 525 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:25,740 Phil Keoghan: like I was, yeah, like I said, like pulling sandbags 526 00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:26,070 Phil Keoghan: down the road. It was horrible. 527 00:29:26,790 --> 00:29:29,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: Those videos of yourself, you don't want to see those, 528 00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:31,381 Rob Simmelkjaer: the last few miles. Yeah. I finished a- 529 00:29:31,381 --> 00:29:31,831 Phil Keoghan: Not pretty. 530 00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:34,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: I finished a marathon in Berlin, and like the last 531 00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:37,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: 100 meters, I felt I was running really hard for 532 00:29:37,290 --> 00:29:39,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: the finish line. I was like, " Okay, a really strong finish." 533 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:41,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: And then I saw a video of it a few 534 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:45,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: weeks later and it looks like I'm barely moving when I 535 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,979 Rob Simmelkjaer: cross the finish line. So that's just the way it 536 00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:48,871 Rob Simmelkjaer: is at the end of a marathon, no doubt about it. 537 00:29:48,871 --> 00:29:54,480 Phil Keoghan: I think it's mind- blowing when you ... It is a real 538 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,700 Phil Keoghan: race of truth and I think it's given me a total 539 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:02,100 Phil Keoghan: Totally different ... I've always been fit all my life. I've 540 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,430 Phil Keoghan: done some pretty big physical things in my life, pushed 541 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:09,120 Phil Keoghan: myself, but I think running the marathon, now I have 542 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,890 Phil Keoghan: a totally different perspective on some of the incredible feats 543 00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:19,170 Phil Keoghan: of some human beings that ... 60, what is a guy the other day? 544 00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:21,150 Phil Keoghan: The 60- year- old, what'd he run a two ... He 545 00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:24,060 Phil Keoghan: ran a 236 or something and he was 60? 546 00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:27,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, we see some incredible feats. 547 00:30:27,630 --> 00:30:28,290 Phil Keoghan: Mind- blowing. 548 00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:31,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: Whether it's someone at a certain age running fast or 549 00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:38,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: people able to run marathons in consecutive marathons over a 550 00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:40,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: few weeks or whatever. I mean, people can do incredible 551 00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:42,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: things. They really can. 552 00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:46,920 Phil Keoghan: And I love that. And the things that I saw where 553 00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:50,850 Phil Keoghan: here's me talking about my hamstring and I didn't have time 554 00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:55,560 Phil Keoghan: to train and all the rest of it. Meanwhile, running and 555 00:30:55,710 --> 00:30:59,400 Phil Keoghan: I see on the back of someone's T- shirt, " I 556 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,250 Phil Keoghan: have MS and it's not going to stop me." Or, " 557 00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:07,920 Phil Keoghan: I have terminal cancer and I'm going to finish this 558 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:14,700 Phil Keoghan: race." I saw people who had had strokes, clearly who 559 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:18,960 Phil Keoghan: had had strokes who were just muscling their way down, 560 00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:23,370 Phil Keoghan: just gritting it out mile after mile after mile. The 561 00:31:23,370 --> 00:31:30,300 Phil Keoghan: most inspirational things, and it put my little hamstring into 562 00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:33,480 Phil Keoghan: perspective of sort of like, " Really? That's what you're going 563 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,050 Phil Keoghan: to talk about? Your damn hamstring. This person is dealing 564 00:31:37,050 --> 00:31:41,220 Phil Keoghan: with something so much bigger and what does it take?" 565 00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:44,130 Phil Keoghan: And the other part of it was you look at 566 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,590 Phil Keoghan: the winners are running in just over two hours and you think, " 567 00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:52,050 Phil Keoghan: Well, that's an incredible feat." And by the way, I 568 00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:54,840 Phil Keoghan: have no idea how a human being can move that 569 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,550 Phil Keoghan: quickly over that distance, but the part that really I 570 00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:02,070 Phil Keoghan: find inspirational are the people who are literally on their 571 00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:04,410 Phil Keoghan: feet, gritting it out, putting in the amount of effort 572 00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:11,910 Phil Keoghan: they're putting in for 10 hours. To ask to go 573 00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:14,880 Phil Keoghan: another six hours on top of what I did, I 574 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,350 Phil Keoghan: can't even imagine. So that in itself, it's such a 575 00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:22,530 Phil Keoghan: personal thing, the race. It's like everybody has got their 576 00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:25,591 Phil Keoghan: own race going on, which makes it special. But it's tough on the- 577 00:32:25,591 --> 00:32:28,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: We got to send you a link. Yeah, it really is. We 578 00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:30,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: got to make sure we send you a link, Phil, 579 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: to our film, Final Finishers, which tells the story of 580 00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:37,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: some of those folks who are finishing in 10-11 hours 581 00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:39,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: and what they go through and some of their backstories. 582 00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:39,300 Phil Keoghan: I saw it. 583 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, you did? 584 00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:44,520 Phil Keoghan: I saw it. Yeah, that's why I brought it up because 585 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,960 Phil Keoghan: when I saw it, it just, again, gave me a whole 586 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:55,560 Phil Keoghan: other perspective into what I saw. Yeah, so you just 587 00:32:55,980 --> 00:33:00,601 Phil Keoghan: marvel. And what was it? 59- 57,000 people or something? 588 00:33:00,601 --> 00:33:05,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: 59, 226. That was the official finisher number. It was 589 00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:09,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: a world record, huge, huge race. And yeah, we were 590 00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:12,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: thrilled that someone like you could be a part of 591 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:15,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: it. I saw your interview after the race as well. 592 00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:18,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: You talked about the signs and how much you enjoyed 593 00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:20,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: the signs along the way. Can you talk about some 594 00:33:20,910 --> 00:33:22,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: of the signs you saw? And it sounds like maybe some 595 00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:26,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: of them were specifically tailored to you since folks knew 596 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:27,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: you were running. 597 00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:33,270 Phil Keoghan: Yeah. Phil, this is your Amazing Race, don't get Philiminated. 598 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,910 Phil Keoghan: Put me on The Amazing Race. Yeah, the signs, I 599 00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:45,840 Phil Keoghan: loved. In fact, they were a great distraction. They were 600 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,980 Phil Keoghan: a great distraction, particularly towards the end. And some of 601 00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:55,620 Phil Keoghan: them so creative. The one I loved was, " Run Like 602 00:33:55,620 --> 00:34:01,350 Phil Keoghan: You Just Stole Jewels in Paris," or something. 603 00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:03,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yes. From the Louvre. Yeah, we saw a lot of 604 00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:08,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: those. We saw a lot, Phil, about the government because the government was shut 605 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,489 Rob Simmelkjaer: down. So " You run better in the government," and things like that. 606 00:34:11,489 --> 00:34:14,850 Phil Keoghan: Yeah, " You run better than the government," that was a big one. There was a really 607 00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:18,660 Phil Keoghan: funny one, there were a couple of women that had 608 00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:23,759 Phil Keoghan: some that were like, " I'm single, you've got stamina. Call me." 609 00:34:25,410 --> 00:34:27,391 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. Always a popular one. Yeah. 610 00:34:27,391 --> 00:34:34,801 Phil Keoghan: Yeah. And then, " Tap here for power." It's like- 611 00:34:34,801 --> 00:34:35,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh yeah, the power button. Absolutely. 612 00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:38,520 Phil Keoghan: The power button. Hit here for power. 613 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: Which I think those work. Somehow I think those work. There's something 614 00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:44,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: about hitting those that somehow you do feel something when 615 00:34:44,670 --> 00:34:45,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: you hit those. 616 00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:50,820 Phil Keoghan: And when you hear your name being called out and all of 617 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,730 Phil Keoghan: a sudden you're striding and then you're like, how much 618 00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:55,890 Phil Keoghan: longer do I have to keep running past this person 619 00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:57,570 Phil Keoghan: at a reasonable pace to look good? 620 00:34:59,910 --> 00:35:00,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: Amazing. 621 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,799 Phil Keoghan: Yeah, just the energy is infectious. It's such a party. 622 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,310 Phil Keoghan: And I'd heard so much about it and I'm really 623 00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:12,450 Phil Keoghan: grateful. And also to run for a great cause. The 624 00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:14,820 Phil Keoghan: other thing that I think at the end, all the people 625 00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:16,890 Phil Keoghan: I wanted to thank at the end were all the 626 00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:24,300 Phil Keoghan: volunteers. The selfless time and energy that so many people 627 00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:27,330 Phil Keoghan: put into making that event, making the event what it 628 00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:30,180 Phil Keoghan: is. People that turn up to hand out water and 629 00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:33,360 Phil Keoghan: they're full of so much enthusiasm, one cup after another, 630 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,569 Phil Keoghan: hour after hour, people monitoring the sidelines, the cost of 631 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:45,600 Phil Keoghan: police departments, fire department. There was one police officer who 632 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,730 Phil Keoghan: was near the beginning actually. He had his police car 633 00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:55,200 Phil Keoghan: parked on the Verzano and the doors open and he 634 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,400 Phil Keoghan: was playing Eye of the Tiger. And he looked like 635 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,529 Phil Keoghan: he was the guy that listened to that music back 636 00:36:01,530 --> 00:36:05,130 Phil Keoghan: in the '80s. He's got this thing pumped. He got a 637 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:08,430 Phil Keoghan: big speaker in the back of his police car and 638 00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:12,600 Phil Keoghan: he's just rocking it out, like, " It's the eye of 639 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,790 Phil Keoghan: the tiger," and we're all like, " Yeah," and he's ... Fire departments 640 00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:22,468 Phil Keoghan: standing on top of their truck waving out. Yeah, it's 641 00:36:22,469 --> 00:36:24,390 Phil Keoghan: infectious. It's pretty amazing. 642 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:26,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. There's nothing like it. Absolutely. 643 00:36:28,170 --> 00:36:30,091 Phil Keoghan: You got to put the work in. I mean, I think you got to put the work in, definitely. 644 00:36:30,091 --> 00:36:36,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. I mean, if you want to have the race you want to 645 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: have, if you've got a time goal or whatever, the 646 00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:41,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: more work you put in, the better it's going to 647 00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:44,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: be. I always tell people, you're going to get out 648 00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:44,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: of it what you put in. 649 00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:46,020 Phil Keoghan: Definitely. 650 00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:47,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: And that's what it comes down to. Everybody's got their 651 00:36:47,969 --> 00:36:51,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: own ability level, but you end up training close to 652 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:53,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: what you ... Running, I should say, close to what you 653 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: train for. And if you train to run in four 654 00:36:56,610 --> 00:37:00,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: hours or 3: 50, or six hours, you train for 655 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:03,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: that and you're probably going to get that return on 656 00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:06,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: the investment. But everybody's got different goals. And then of 657 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:08,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: course, there's always the wild cards of you have a 658 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: good day weather- wise or you have a stomach upset 659 00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:14,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: or something that can derail you. So there's always the 660 00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:18,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: intangibles that can get you. And injuries are really at 661 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: the top of that list, as you well know from 662 00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:24,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: your experience. Talk a bit about, you mentioned Terence, the 663 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: CEO of Back on My Feet, one of our charity 664 00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:31,109 Rob Simmelkjaer: partners who inspired you to run. Talk a bit more 665 00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:34,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: about that organization, Back on My Feet. How you've gotten 666 00:37:34,530 --> 00:37:37,109 Rob Simmelkjaer: to know them and what they do, what their impact is. 667 00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:45,360 Phil Keoghan: Yeah. So I love organizations that are about not so 668 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,410 Phil Keoghan: much a handout, but a hand up. Like helping people 669 00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:55,260 Phil Keoghan: help themselves, teaching people how they can help themselves. Just 670 00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:58,650 Phil Keoghan: being involved in a lot of philanthropic endeavors over the 671 00:37:58,650 --> 00:38:02,880 Phil Keoghan: years, particularly with MS, had a goal to raise a 672 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,969 Phil Keoghan: million dollars for MS, which we managed to achieve. That 673 00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:12,690 Phil Keoghan: charity is so much about raising money for research towards 674 00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:15,630 Phil Keoghan: finding a cure, which hopefully in my lifetime we will 675 00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:21,000 Phil Keoghan: see a cure for MS. The Back On My Feet 676 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:30,719 Phil Keoghan: organization is more about helping people help themselves by getting 677 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,400 Phil Keoghan: into a program where they can get motivated, helps them 678 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,280 Phil Keoghan: to get motivated, to turn up for training a couple 679 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,690 Phil Keoghan: days a week, making a commitment to themselves and self- 680 00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:47,129 Phil Keoghan: improvement. And I love that some of the people who've 681 00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:50,129 Phil Keoghan: come through the program are now a part of Back 682 00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:52,529 Phil Keoghan: on My Feet, so they know firsthand what it's like 683 00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:57,360 Phil Keoghan: to live on someone's couch or to live out of 684 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,080 Phil Keoghan: their car. And even Terence. Terence went through some challenging 685 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,160 Phil Keoghan: times in his life where he can really identify with 686 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,110 Phil Keoghan: some of the people that he's trying to help. And 687 00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:12,360 Phil Keoghan: he speaks openly and honestly about that. And for a 688 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,469 Phil Keoghan: lot of people who are needing help, a lot of 689 00:39:16,469 --> 00:39:20,489 Phil Keoghan: them have addictive personalities. And if you can get someone 690 00:39:20,489 --> 00:39:25,319 Phil Keoghan: who has those traits addicted to exercising or addicted to 691 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,260 Phil Keoghan: committing to running, it's a way better thing to be 692 00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:33,390 Phil Keoghan: addicted to than some substance. So yes, getting people to 693 00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:38,520 Phil Keoghan: commit, they turn up. Once they commit, as with anything, 694 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,279 Phil Keoghan: they say it takes 22 days to create a habit. 695 00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:43,770 Phil Keoghan: Once they get in the habit, once they realize that 696 00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:46,440 Phil Keoghan: they're a part of a community, then it's like turning 697 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,130 Phil Keoghan: up and being responsible for themselves, but also being there 698 00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:55,320 Phil Keoghan: for others. And the success rate of getting people into 699 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,890 Phil Keoghan: jobs, feeling like they have some self- worth again and 700 00:39:58,890 --> 00:40:02,550 Phil Keoghan: helping them get into harms is extremely high. So it 701 00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:07,620 Phil Keoghan: works. And on the Saturday morning before the run, we 702 00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:12,450 Phil Keoghan: went and did a big sort of carbo loading ... We 703 00:40:12,450 --> 00:40:15,030 Phil Keoghan: had a big carbo loading gathering and I got to see 704 00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:17,880 Phil Keoghan: firsthand and hear firsthand from some of the people who have come 705 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,160 Phil Keoghan: through the program, and it works. So yes, again, I 706 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,620 Phil Keoghan: just encourage everybody to remember, at some point in our 707 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:33,390 Phil Keoghan: lives we all need a little helping hand, and so 708 00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:36,540 Phil Keoghan: if you can get involved in an organization like that, 709 00:40:36,989 --> 00:40:40,799 Phil Keoghan: or just make sure that you give back, because at 710 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,800 Phil Keoghan: some point you're going to need somebody to help you. 711 00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:49,080 Phil Keoghan: And it's an important balance in life to look out 712 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,569 Phil Keoghan: to help others. Makes you feel good. Makes you feel 713 00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:55,290 Phil Keoghan: good when you do. 714 00:40:55,710 --> 00:41:00,029 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. No, it's great. Great message. And congrats, I knew 715 00:41:00,030 --> 00:41:04,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: you raised over $ 10,000 for that organization and I think it's 716 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:07,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: still open for those to donate as well. So great 717 00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:10,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: job. And Phil, I know that you, in addition to 718 00:41:10,110 --> 00:41:14,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: Back on My Feet, you also had dedicated this race 719 00:41:14,310 --> 00:41:18,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: to your father, who I know was in the hospital 720 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,589 Rob Simmelkjaer: on race day, and I'm aware that sadly you lost 721 00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:26,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: him since then. My condolences, Phil, on that. I'm very 722 00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:32,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: sorry for your loss. How has that changed your perspective 723 00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:37,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: on the experience? Obviously, it's a difficult month for you to 724 00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:40,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: get through, I'm sure, not just because of the marathon. 725 00:41:41,819 --> 00:41:45,660 Phil Keoghan: Yeah. My dad being sick for some time, I've been 726 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:49,200 Phil Keoghan: coming back and forth a lot. We had a service 727 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,469 Phil Keoghan: for him last week, we gave him a great sendoff. 728 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:58,050 Phil Keoghan: My dad did know of me finishing the marathon. I 729 00:41:58,050 --> 00:42:00,930 Phil Keoghan: was able to share that with him. He was incredibly 730 00:42:00,930 --> 00:42:04,350 Phil Keoghan: proud. Apparently he told a couple of the nurses. And 731 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:07,080 Phil Keoghan: there were a few nurses there that had actually run 732 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,859 Phil Keoghan: marathons. My dad took great interest in everybody and what 733 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:14,850 Phil Keoghan: they were doing. So yeah, he was asking a lot 734 00:42:14,850 --> 00:42:19,980 Phil Keoghan: of questions about it. Yeah, the last few miles were 735 00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:23,910 Phil Keoghan: kind of emotional. I was feeling really, like I said, 736 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:25,859 Phil Keoghan: it was a struggle to get through those last few 737 00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:29,280 Phil Keoghan: miles, but I drew a lot of strength from my 738 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,560 Phil Keoghan: dad's grit and determination. He was a very, very determined person. 739 00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:38,040 Phil Keoghan: A great rugby player, great supporter of mine. He was 740 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,960 Phil Keoghan: there for me when I rode across America, he drove 741 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,719 Phil Keoghan: the support vehicle when I went around France. So yeah, 742 00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:52,200 Phil Keoghan: I feel good about the life that he had and 743 00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:56,850 Phil Keoghan: that we were able to celebrate it properly last week. 744 00:42:58,590 --> 00:43:03,660 Phil Keoghan: It's still very fresh. Still very fresh, and I know 745 00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:08,940 Phil Keoghan: I'm going to miss him terribly, but I learned a 746 00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:11,760 Phil Keoghan: lot from him and great lessons that I hope to 747 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,300 Phil Keoghan: pass on. Many I've already passed on to my daughter, 748 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:20,100 Phil Keoghan: but yeah, he was a good man. Going to miss 749 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:20,730 Phil Keoghan: him, for sure. 750 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. Well, I'm so glad he got to know that 751 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: you finished and I'm sure he really ... Sounds like the 752 00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:29,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: kind of guy who would be very proud and into 753 00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:34,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: that sort of thing. So condolences again. And it's kind 754 00:43:34,290 --> 00:43:38,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: of a segue actually to your philosophy of life, it 755 00:43:38,610 --> 00:43:44,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: seems, which is really about having these experiences, right? And 756 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: you call it tick it before you kick it, right? 757 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's your hashtag and it's all about that Buckit List. You 758 00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:53,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: spell a Buckit List with the IT. Talk a bit 759 00:43:53,969 --> 00:43:55,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: about that. I don't know if that's something you got 760 00:43:55,890 --> 00:43:59,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: from your father or how you developed this philosophy, what 761 00:43:59,910 --> 00:44:01,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: it really means to tick it before you kick it. 762 00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:07,859 Phil Keoghan: Yeah. So it came from a near death experience when 763 00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:11,670 Phil Keoghan: I was 19 and I wrote a list, and I was 764 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:15,480 Phil Keoghan: only 19 and my list was pretty selfish. And over 765 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,810 Phil Keoghan: the years of having a child and getting older and 766 00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:21,570 Phil Keoghan: more mature, you start to think more about other people 767 00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:23,190 Phil Keoghan: and what you can do for others rather than what 768 00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:26,550 Phil Keoghan: you can just do for yourself. So that's where it 769 00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:33,330 Phil Keoghan: started. And I turned that list into a career. And then I 770 00:44:33,330 --> 00:44:37,110 Phil Keoghan: had a podcast which we'll be getting going again. It 771 00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:40,200 Phil Keoghan: stopped down during COVID and then I got distracted with 772 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,819 Phil Keoghan: another show called Tough as Nails while out of COVID. 773 00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:50,340 Phil Keoghan: But yes, I'm all about pushing people to do the 774 00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:52,500 Phil Keoghan: things they really want to do. Before my dad died, 775 00:44:54,989 --> 00:44:56,969 Phil Keoghan: I got him to sit down and tell me all 776 00:44:56,969 --> 00:45:02,040 Phil Keoghan: the things he wanted to do in his life. And 777 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,840 Phil Keoghan: we managed to tick some of those things off in 778 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,140 Phil Keoghan: recent years, one of which was going to Iceland. And 779 00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:10,920 Phil Keoghan: so a couple of summers ago, we went to Iceland. 780 00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:13,530 Phil Keoghan: It was the one place he really, really wanted to 781 00:45:13,530 --> 00:45:17,279 Phil Keoghan: go to as a scientist and someone who studied soil 782 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,840 Phil Keoghan: science, and really interested in geology. So we got to 783 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,280 Phil Keoghan: give him that experience. We did a tramp together. There 784 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,930 Phil Keoghan: was a particular tramp that he wanted to do. So 785 00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:30,239 Phil Keoghan: we ticked off a lot of things off my dad's 786 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,790 Phil Keoghan: list. But yeah, I think with dad passing away, you 787 00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:40,140 Phil Keoghan: realize there's things that he didn't get to tick off 788 00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:45,718 Phil Keoghan: his list, but it sure is a good reminder of 789 00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:48,630 Phil Keoghan: if there are things that you want to do, get 790 00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:55,350 Phil Keoghan: on and do them because death is very final. Yeah, 791 00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:58,500 Phil Keoghan: it's hard to imagine, I can't do these things with 792 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,830 Phil Keoghan: him anymore, but I have the memories of the things 793 00:46:01,830 --> 00:46:02,430 Phil Keoghan: we did do. 794 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:11,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yup. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, really well said. Absolutely. This show, 795 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:18,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: The Amazing Race, it's incredible. Going on 40 seasons now. 796 00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:21,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: Why do you think it's been so successful? I mean, I 797 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: think maybe it does, in a way, tie into what 798 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:27,029 Rob Simmelkjaer: we're talking about. Some of the desire people have to 799 00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:32,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: have experiences. Obviously as a viewer of the show, you're kind 800 00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:35,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: of watching and maybe it's almost like a little bit 801 00:46:35,969 --> 00:46:39,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: of you're experiencing some of these crazy things through the 802 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: competitors in The Amazing Race, but why do you think 803 00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:46,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: it's been so successful and lasted so long? What does 804 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: it tell you about people, that they're so interested in 805 00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:51,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: watching this competition? 806 00:46:53,730 --> 00:46:56,910 Phil Keoghan: Well, when The Amazing Race came on, it really was 807 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:04,020 Phil Keoghan: groundbreaking. It was extremely ambitious what we were attempting to 808 00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:08,790 Phil Keoghan: do, taking these, in the first season, 11 teams of 809 00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:12,210 Phil Keoghan: two around the world. And the world was very different 810 00:47:12,450 --> 00:47:16,050 Phil Keoghan: when we started out. It was a much bigger place. 811 00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:21,870 Phil Keoghan: There were places that ... People weren't as savvy as they 812 00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:25,110 Phil Keoghan: are now about the world and what's going on in 813 00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:29,339 Phil Keoghan: the world. And so it really was, for a lot 814 00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:33,630 Phil Keoghan: of these teams, it was like they were being explorers. 815 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,170 Phil Keoghan: And then of course the audience got to see the 816 00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:41,040 Phil Keoghan: world through their eyes. And over the years, the show has 817 00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:46,739 Phil Keoghan: really evolved as travel has evolved and technology has evolved. 818 00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:52,110 Phil Keoghan: So many people now are traveling and documenting their travel 819 00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:57,150 Phil Keoghan: experiences. It's just encouraging more and more people, I think, 820 00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:58,980 Phil Keoghan: to get out and to see our world. And I think 821 00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:03,090 Phil Keoghan: it's hugely important. Suddenly the world has become a lot 822 00:48:03,090 --> 00:48:06,690 Phil Keoghan: smaller and I think people are starting to realize just 823 00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:10,260 Phil Keoghan: how connected we all are. We're not all these separate ... 824 00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:18,930 Phil Keoghan: We're seeing ourselves less and less, I guess, as so 825 00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:21,719 Phil Keoghan: far away from each other, we realize just how interconnected 826 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,390 Phil Keoghan: we really are. And I think the race has really helped 827 00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:27,600 Phil Keoghan: with that. And to me, one of the great things 828 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:34,230 Phil Keoghan: about Amazing Race is that it's helped open people's eyes 829 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:42,630 Phil Keoghan: up to difference, maybe helped give people a different understanding 830 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:45,989 Phil Keoghan: of the world that they didn't have before because they're 831 00:48:45,989 --> 00:48:50,819 Phil Keoghan: seeing different cultures. And it's particularly important right now that 832 00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:57,540 Phil Keoghan: we not see ourselves as different, but more that there's 833 00:48:57,540 --> 00:48:59,910 Phil Keoghan: a lot more we have in common than we think. 834 00:49:00,629 --> 00:49:03,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. No, I really do think back to when it 835 00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:07,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: started. Was it in the 90s, late 90s the show started? 836 00:49:08,430 --> 00:49:14,700 Phil Keoghan: 2001 was our first show. We shot at the beginning 837 00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:17,040 Phil Keoghan: of 2001, and then it went to air the end 838 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:17,940 Phil Keoghan: of 2001. 839 00:49:19,739 --> 00:49:24,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: No social media at that point. YouTube wasn't really, I 840 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: think, a thing at all. So I mean, people, they were 841 00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:31,109 Rob Simmelkjaer: much more limited in the things they could see. And 842 00:49:31,110 --> 00:49:34,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: the programs that they watched were ... It's just such a narrower 843 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: set of content out there. And so this was something 844 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: that really was new. And now there's content like this 845 00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:42,299 Rob Simmelkjaer: all over the place, depending on who you follow on 846 00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:46,469 Rob Simmelkjaer: social media or on YouTube. But I think what's amazing 847 00:49:46,469 --> 00:49:50,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: is that the show has sustained all of that. 848 00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:56,310 Phil Keoghan: Yeah. It's one of the few shows that has stayed 849 00:49:56,310 --> 00:50:00,330 Phil Keoghan: through a lot. A lot of shows have come and 850 00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:07,890 Phil Keoghan: gone, and it's remained a staple. It's part of the 851 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,270 Phil Keoghan: zeitgeist. And I don't think any of us, when we 852 00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:16,020 Phil Keoghan: first started, ever imagined that it would continue to go 853 00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:19,290 Phil Keoghan: on as long as it has, but people still love 854 00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:23,279 Phil Keoghan: it. They love sitting on their couch and they love 855 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,380 Phil Keoghan: escaping with us somewhere around the world. 856 00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:31,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. I'm just curious, is there any idea that was 857 00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:34,799 Rob Simmelkjaer: out there in terms of something to have the competitors 858 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,319 Rob Simmelkjaer: do on the show, but it just didn't make it. 859 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: It was too wild. Have there been things that people 860 00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:44,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: thought about having on the show, but eventually they just said, "No, we 861 00:50:45,390 --> 00:50:47,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: can't do that. It's too much. It's too crazy." 862 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:57,060 Phil Keoghan: No, not so much. A lot of it is to 863 00:50:57,060 --> 00:51:00,360 Phil Keoghan: do ... We want to push people, but we want everything. 864 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,260 Phil Keoghan: Everything we consider, we have to consider from a safety 865 00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:06,270 Phil Keoghan: point of view because it is literally our number one 866 00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:08,609 Phil Keoghan: concern is how do we get people to go around 867 00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:10,590 Phil Keoghan: the world, have a great experience and get them home 868 00:51:10,590 --> 00:51:19,710 Phil Keoghan: safely. That's our number one priority. I am hopeful that 869 00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:22,950 Phil Keoghan: we might be able to get to space in the 870 00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:25,620 Phil Keoghan: next few years. I think that would be a great 871 00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:32,160 Phil Keoghan: thing to do. You can just imagine, right, like a fast- 872 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,040 Phil Keoghan: forward where you go up to the space station, a 873 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,670 Phil Keoghan: quick trip up into space, maybe not the space station, 874 00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:41,819 Phil Keoghan: but maybe up into space itself and do a quick- 875 00:51:41,819 --> 00:51:44,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, SpaceX or something like that. You can totally see it. 876 00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:48,420 Phil Keoghan: Yeah. I could see it, right? I mean, I can 877 00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:53,160 Phil Keoghan: absolutely see it happening. So yeah, I think everything we 878 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,259 Phil Keoghan: consider, we consider from the point of view, " Is it 879 00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:58,770 Phil Keoghan: something that we can do safely?" And then sometimes there's 880 00:51:58,770 --> 00:52:02,730 Phil Keoghan: things that we do that have perceived danger. It's not 881 00:52:02,730 --> 00:52:06,419 Phil Keoghan: dangerous to bungee jump, but it's perceived to be dangerous 882 00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:10,020 Phil Keoghan: because you are literally jumping off a perfectly safe bridge 883 00:52:10,050 --> 00:52:11,310 Phil Keoghan: attached to our rubber band. 884 00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:16,080 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. What's the most amazing thing you've seen on the 885 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: show? What's the most amazing feat? 886 00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:22,560 Phil Keoghan: Well, the things that I think are the most amazing 887 00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:25,710 Phil Keoghan: are the things that are more about how people reacted 888 00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:28,320 Phil Keoghan: to what we got them to do. For instance, that 889 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,710 Phil Keoghan: cheese challenge in season 14 is forever going to be 890 00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:33,719 Phil Keoghan: hard to beat, where the cheese got out of control, 891 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,540 Phil Keoghan: started rolling down the hill and the locals were laughing, 892 00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:39,180 Phil Keoghan: just thought it was the most hysterical thing they'd ever 893 00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:42,780 Phil Keoghan: seen. Or even going back to Colin, when he said 894 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:47,370 Phil Keoghan: his ox was broken. He was plowing a field and 895 00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:50,400 Phil Keoghan: he said his ox was broken. I mean, it's such 896 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:56,879 Phil Keoghan: a classic, Amazing Race moment. But just the wide range 897 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,620 Phil Keoghan: of things that they've done over the years, going down 898 00:53:01,890 --> 00:53:06,390 Phil Keoghan: where the terracotta warriors were, or are, down into the 899 00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:11,610 Phil Keoghan: pit. Only a few people have ever had permission to 900 00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:15,600 Phil Keoghan: go down there, we got permission to go down. Being 901 00:53:16,350 --> 00:53:20,880 Phil Keoghan: on top of beautiful mountains and being in Mongolia and 902 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,690 Phil Keoghan: the open plains. And yeah, I mean, we're approaching 100 903 00:53:27,690 --> 00:53:34,770 Phil Keoghan: countries visited, a million miles traveled, 40 seasons, as you 904 00:53:34,770 --> 00:53:39,660 Phil Keoghan: mentioned, is around the corner. So we're about to hit 905 00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:44,190 Phil Keoghan: a few milestones, and pretty extraordinary, over a quarter of 906 00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:44,820 Phil Keoghan: a century. 907 00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:49,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it's amazing. Well, congrats on that. It's really, really 908 00:53:49,350 --> 00:53:52,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: cool. What's your next adventure? So you've done the marathon, 909 00:53:52,050 --> 00:53:55,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: Phil, is there another Buckit List item that's now a 910 00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:57,299 Rob Simmelkjaer: front and center for you? What's next? 911 00:53:58,350 --> 00:54:04,500 Phil Keoghan: Space. Yeah, I'm ready to go. If anybody has a ticket, 912 00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:07,739 Phil Keoghan: I'm ready to go. I'd love to go to space. 913 00:54:07,739 --> 00:54:11,070 Phil Keoghan: I'd love to go to Antarctica. I have an open 914 00:54:11,070 --> 00:54:16,710 Phil Keoghan: invitation to go to Antarctica. Yeah, I've got a few 915 00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:21,690 Phil Keoghan: new projects that I'm working on. Actually, when I found 916 00:54:21,690 --> 00:54:26,130 Phil Keoghan: out about my dad passing, I was in London. I 917 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:31,200 Phil Keoghan: had a meeting there, and talking about some exciting projects. 918 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,030 Phil Keoghan: So yeah, I've always got something going on and I'm really 919 00:54:36,030 --> 00:54:39,870 Phil Keoghan: excited about the next season of Amazing Race coming on. 920 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,100 Phil Keoghan: The season we just shot is really good, and- 921 00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:44,819 Rob Simmelkjaer: Where is it set? 922 00:54:45,989 --> 00:54:49,410 Phil Keoghan: Well, we start in North America, as always, and then 923 00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:53,009 Phil Keoghan: we're into Europe. And then the season 38 was shot 924 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:59,880 Phil Keoghan: as a European adventure, season 39, back to going around 925 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:05,730 Phil Keoghan: the world again. And I was involved in producing one 926 00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:11,160 Phil Keoghan: of the episodes, which I'm very excited about, which is 927 00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:13,770 Phil Keoghan: towards the end of the season, and it turned out really, 928 00:55:13,770 --> 00:55:15,870 Phil Keoghan: really well. And as a matter of fact, I got 929 00:55:15,870 --> 00:55:18,630 Phil Keoghan: to see my dad. That was the last time I 930 00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:21,960 Phil Keoghan: saw my dad, he managed to come out to location. 931 00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:26,460 Phil Keoghan: So that particular episode had special meaning for me. And my 932 00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:31,890 Phil Keoghan: dad was the greeter on Amazing Race in season 13. 933 00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:38,400 Phil Keoghan: And it was Take Dad to Work Day. So yeah, 934 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,190 Phil Keoghan: this season has particular special meanings for me. 935 00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:46,259 Rob Simmelkjaer: Well, I can't wait to check it out. Season 38. And 936 00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:48,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: that's premiering when? Do you have a premier date for 937 00:55:48,090 --> 00:55:48,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: that yet? 938 00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:50,910 Phil Keoghan: For 39. 939 00:55:50,910 --> 00:55:52,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: 39, sorry. 940 00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:55,440 Phil Keoghan: Yeah, 39. We do not have a day yet. 941 00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:56,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. 942 00:55:56,670 --> 00:55:59,790 Phil Keoghan: But hopefully, early in the new year, we'll be getting 943 00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:02,001 Phil Keoghan: some indication about when we're going to have it (inaudible) 944 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right. Well, we'll keep an eye out for it. 945 00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:09,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: But Phil Keoghan, amazing to speak to you. Congratulations on 946 00:56:09,930 --> 00:56:13,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: finishing our amazing race, the TCS New York City Marathon, 947 00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:17,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: and as well as another season of The Amazing Race 948 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,489 Rob Simmelkjaer: on CBS, and we look forward to seeing it. And 949 00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:23,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: just great spending time with you. Congrats on everything. And 950 00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:28,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: again, condolences on your father. Hoping you and your family 951 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: have some good time together. 952 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,830 Phil Keoghan: Yeah. I really appreciate all the support I got from 953 00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:38,460 Phil Keoghan: you and your team. And again, thanks to all the 954 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:42,420 Phil Keoghan: volunteers and everybody who made the marathon possible this year. 955 00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:45,420 Phil Keoghan: And it was an honor to be a part of 956 00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:48,750 Phil Keoghan: it. Yeah, congratulations. 957 00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:52,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: Congrats to you, Phil. Phil Keoghan. 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Our member moment today is with someone who embodies 965 00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:24,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: the heart of final finishers, the first documentary produced by 966 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners East 89th Street Production Studio. Michael 967 00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:32,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: Ring is a lifelong Brooklyn runner who spent decades running 968 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: with the Prospect Park Track Club. He ran sub- four- 969 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: hour marathons and had a near unbroken streak at the 970 00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:43,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: TCS New York City Marathon. But then in 2014, Guillain- 971 00:57:43,470 --> 00:57:49,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: Barre syndrome left him almost entirely paralyzed. He spent 135 972 00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:53,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: days in the hospital relearning how to move from wheelchair 973 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: to walker to cane. But slowly and stubbornly, Michael made 974 00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:59,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: his way back to the starting line and today he's 975 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:05,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: completed more than 40 marathons, including seven after being diagnosed. 976 00:58:05,370 --> 00:58:08,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: Michael is a disability advocate, a fixture in the New 977 00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:12,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: York City running community, and one of the unforgettable voices in East 978 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: 89th Street's Final Finishers. Take it away, Meb. 979 00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:18,270 Meb: Thank you, Rob. Michael- 980 00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:18,630 Michael Ring: Hi. 981 00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:20,340 Meb: Welcome to Set the Pace. Good to see you. 982 00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:21,330 Michael Ring: Good to see you too. 983 00:58:22,050 --> 00:58:22,590 Meb: How you been? 984 00:58:22,590 --> 00:58:25,410 Michael Ring: I've been good. Before we start, can I just talk 985 00:58:25,410 --> 00:58:30,000 Michael Ring: to you? Because back in 2004 there was a Road 986 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,150 Michael Ring: Runners Club race, I forgot which one, and I came 987 00:58:33,150 --> 00:58:37,200 Michael Ring: home and the house was empty, which was unusual because 988 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,720 Michael Ring: my twins were four years old, and I just turned 989 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,960 Michael Ring: on the TV and you were running the Olympics, the marathon. 990 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,380 Michael Ring: And I'm not usually a person who watches sports on 991 00:58:46,380 --> 00:58:50,130 Michael Ring: TV, I don't keep track of elite athletes or celebrities, 992 00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:52,650 Michael Ring: but you weren't in second place when I turned on the 993 00:58:52,650 --> 00:58:55,470 Michael Ring: TV. And I always remember the moment where you threw 994 00:58:55,470 --> 00:58:57,780 Michael Ring: your hat off, and that's when I knew you were 995 00:58:57,780 --> 00:59:00,750 Michael Ring: going to try to win. And I became a fan 996 00:59:00,750 --> 00:59:04,680 Michael Ring: of you and of the Olympics at that moment. I just 997 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,390 Michael Ring: wanted to let you know that. Thank you. 998 00:59:06,990 --> 00:59:11,340 Meb: Oh, very kind of you, Michael. It was 2004 Athens Olympics. Yes. 999 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,230 Meb: When I threw that hat, I was going for a 1000 00:59:13,230 --> 00:59:16,500 Meb: gold. I was a silver place, silver medal place. 1001 00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:18,001 Michael Ring: Yeah. I knew you were going for it. 1002 00:59:18,001 --> 00:59:19,980 Meb: I was going for Stefano Baldini, but he had a phenomenal... 1003 00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:20,700 Michael Ring: Yeah. 1004 00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:22,980 Meb: I tried. I tried. It was a great day to be able to come home 1005 00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:23,430 Meb: with a silver medal. 1006 00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:24,360 Michael Ring: But I saw the hat- 1007 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,630 Meb: That was a fun memory and thanks for the support over the 1008 00:59:27,630 --> 00:59:31,470 Meb: years. So Michael, welcome to Set The Pace. Glad to 1009 00:59:31,470 --> 00:59:33,840 Meb: have you. I know we have seen each other at the Final 1010 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,140 Meb: Finishers, but let's go back to your roots. When you 1011 00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:41,490 Meb: ran a sub four marathoner, long NYC Marathon Street before Guillian- 1012 00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:46,169 Meb: Barre, what was the moment when you realized, " I may 1013 00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:49,530 Meb: never run like this again, but I still want to run?" 1014 00:59:49,710 --> 00:59:53,550 Michael Ring: Well, people ask me that often, and I never put 1015 00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:59,640 Michael Ring: that in my head. I always thought that ... I was always training for a marathon 1016 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,840 Michael Ring: and an all ultra marathon. Before 2014, that was my way 1017 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,540 Michael Ring: of life. But I always accepted the fact that I 1018 01:00:06,540 --> 01:00:09,750 Michael Ring: might not finish the next marathon or I don't know 1019 01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:13,740 Michael Ring: when it will be. So I always thought that training 1020 01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:17,400 Michael Ring: for marathons where the goal is beyond the horizon sometimes 1021 01:00:17,790 --> 01:00:22,320 Michael Ring: prepared me for paralysis where recovery may have been beyond 1022 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,130 Michael Ring: the horizon. So I never really thought about not finishing 1023 01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:31,290 Michael Ring: or not running again. I just thought that continually preparing 1024 01:00:31,530 --> 01:00:34,500 Michael Ring: for running again was all I kept thinking about. 1025 01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:39,090 Meb: Just amazing. I mean, we all have doubts, but I'm 1026 01:00:39,090 --> 01:00:40,650 Meb: calling myself (inaudible) my first one. I don't know 1027 01:00:40,650 --> 01:00:43,650 Meb: if I could ever finish about to go what you went through. 1028 01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:47,040 Meb: It's just amazing, incredible story. You have talked about how 1029 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,040 Meb: early on when you were learning to move your fingers 1030 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,960 Meb: again, you set the goal, " Running the marathon someday." What did holding 1031 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,280 Meb: onto that goal do for you during those 135 days 1032 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,030 Meb: in the hospital? 1033 01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:03,360 Michael Ring: Well, it gave me something to think about because being 1034 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,350 Michael Ring: in the hospital is very boring, and there's only so 1035 01:01:07,350 --> 01:01:12,600 Michael Ring: much TV you can watch, but I always imagined every 1036 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,450 Michael Ring: mile of the New York City Marathon. I had run 1037 01:01:15,450 --> 01:01:18,060 Michael Ring: it about 20 times at that point, so I knew 1038 01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:21,030 Michael Ring: the course very well and I would describe it to 1039 01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:26,070 Michael Ring: myself. I would remember where each mile marker was. It 1040 01:01:26,070 --> 01:01:29,910 Michael Ring: was hard when I was at NYU Langone, looking down 1041 01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:32,880 Michael Ring: at the training routes that I had trained on, the 1042 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,130 Michael Ring: route that eventually became the New York City half on 1043 01:01:35,130 --> 01:01:39,180 Michael Ring: the FDR drive. And I just said, " I was there, 1044 01:01:39,180 --> 01:01:44,130 Michael Ring: I'll be back." You could fall, but you get up. 1045 01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:47,670 Meb: Absolutely. And especially when you are at the hospital, there 1046 01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:51,090 Meb: are a lot of uncertainty. The marathon has its own 1047 01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:54,300 Meb: uncertainty, but being in the hospital for 135. So I 1048 01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:56,730 Meb: do talk a lot of athlete about visualization. I guess 1049 01:01:56,730 --> 01:01:59,970 Meb: you were visualizing yourself, even though you were in the hospital, at 1050 01:01:59,970 --> 01:02:02,820 Meb: the course of the New York City Marathon. When you 1051 01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:07,320 Meb: finally came back to the NYC Marathon in 2017 and finished in 1052 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,160 Meb: just under 10 hours, what surprised you the most about 1053 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,200 Meb: being out there on the course for that long? 1054 01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:18,450 Michael Ring: Well, that it got dark. I had run it a 1055 01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:21,150 Michael Ring: lot and it's a race that takes place during the 1056 01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:26,010 Michael Ring: day. I remember seeing the lights go on. And Hannah's 1057 01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:28,800 Michael Ring: in the movie with me and she really expressed it 1058 01:02:29,130 --> 01:02:30,840 Michael Ring: amazingly of what it was like to be at the 1059 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,140 Michael Ring: finish line. I was also surprised that anyone was there 1060 01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:39,300 Michael Ring: because, in preparing for 2017, I had run a lot 1061 01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:42,210 Michael Ring: of Road Runners Club races and the finish line was 1062 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,940 Michael Ring: just a guy with a stopwatch waiting for me. The 1063 01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:48,720 Michael Ring: fact that the finish line rebooted and there were many 1064 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,390 Michael Ring: people I know, people went home and took a shower 1065 01:02:51,390 --> 01:02:54,240 Michael Ring: and came back to cheer for me, people I didn't 1066 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,820 Michael Ring: know were there. I felt like since it was dark, 1067 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,780 Michael Ring: it was like a disco ball was lit up. The 1068 01:03:00,780 --> 01:03:04,530 Michael Ring: excitement was, they saved the excitement for me and the other 1069 01:03:04,530 --> 01:03:07,470 Michael Ring: people who were finishing with me. It was really kind 1070 01:03:07,470 --> 01:03:07,800 Michael Ring: of cool. 1071 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,820 Meb: Peter Chacha, who was our Race Director, and Ted, and 1072 01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:16,860 Meb: many others from the New York Runs do make the 1073 01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:19,590 Meb: effort to be there to meet you and celebrate you. 1074 01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:24,030 Meb: You have said that elite athlete stories can sometimes feel 1075 01:03:24,030 --> 01:03:27,570 Meb: predictable and that the real drama is in the back of 1076 01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:30,780 Meb: the pack. Why do you wish more people understood about 1077 01:03:30,780 --> 01:03:33,300 Meb: what happened after dark on marathon days? 1078 01:03:33,330 --> 01:03:38,250 Michael Ring: Well, people don't understand that I'm still running 26.2 miles, 1079 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,930 Michael Ring: but it takes longer. So could you run for 10 1080 01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:48,450 Michael Ring: hours? It's hard. It's not any easier to run slow. 1081 01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:51,840 Michael Ring: And my guides are actually walking, so their feet are 1082 01:03:51,930 --> 01:03:55,710 Michael Ring: landing flatfooted, and they've been getting banged in the back 1083 01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:57,750 Michael Ring: by all the fast people who've been trying to pass 1084 01:03:57,750 --> 01:04:00,480 Michael Ring: me for the past four or five hours in the 1085 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,430 Michael Ring: beginning of the race. The people should know that a lot of people 1086 01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:09,030 Michael Ring: have a comeback story. A lot of people don't have 1087 01:04:09,030 --> 01:04:12,780 Michael Ring: the natural ability that a lot of the elite athletes 1088 01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:18,210 Michael Ring: have. So getting to that finish line is hard no 1089 01:04:18,210 --> 01:04:21,480 Michael Ring: matter how fast you go, and it's an accomplishment no 1090 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:22,830 Michael Ring: matter how long it takes. 1091 01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:26,490 Meb: I definitely agree. I mean, as elite athlete, we sometimes 1092 01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:29,250 Meb: try to get their ASAP, as soon as possible, make 1093 01:04:29,250 --> 01:04:31,500 Meb: it look good, make it look easy. But you know 1094 01:04:31,770 --> 01:04:33,540 Meb: whether you're on the front of the pack or middle 1095 01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:36,390 Meb: of the pack, or back of pack, it is 26. 2 miles and 1096 01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:39,960 Meb: everybody has their own individual stories to make it through 1097 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,300 Meb: the finish line. And whether it takes two hours or 1098 01:04:42,330 --> 01:04:47,760 Meb: 10 hours, it's always a miracle and amazing accomplishments. And 1099 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,850 Meb: congratulations on doing that. Yeah, I can't run that long 1100 01:04:50,850 --> 01:04:53,100 Meb: for 10 hours and it definitely hurts a marathon, but 1101 01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:56,040 Meb: I'm pretty sure it hurts a lot longer than that. 1102 01:04:56,250 --> 01:04:59,550 Meb: But you have been part of the Prospect Park Track 1103 01:04:59,550 --> 01:05:02,040 Meb: Club for decades and now you often run with the 1104 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,690 Meb: Achilles guides. How has community shaped you, your recovery and 1105 01:05:06,690 --> 01:05:07,860 Meb: your return to racing? 1106 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,890 Michael Ring: It's been amazing. I'm not a religious person. I don't 1107 01:05:13,890 --> 01:05:17,340 Michael Ring: have a church or anything, but the running community came 1108 01:05:17,340 --> 01:05:19,440 Michael Ring: out for me when I was in the hospital. The 1109 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,040 Michael Ring: Prospect Park Track Club had planned group runs where the 1110 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,540 Michael Ring: destination was my hospital. People came to my room just 1111 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:31,290 Michael Ring: to say hi and be with me. And in returning 1112 01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:35,010 Michael Ring: to running, I didn't really know what Achilles was and 1113 01:05:35,010 --> 01:05:38,280 Michael Ring: I didn't know I need help. Because I can go 1114 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,250 Michael Ring: run around Prospect Park right now, but in any greater 1115 01:05:41,250 --> 01:05:43,770 Michael Ring: distance, the likelihood of me falling is kind of high 1116 01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:46,740 Michael Ring: and it's hard for me to get up. And in a race, 1117 01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:49,530 Michael Ring: I need a little more help. And there's people who 1118 01:05:49,530 --> 01:05:51,930 Michael Ring: line up to volunteer to help me and help people 1119 01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:57,960 Michael Ring: in my category. It's kind of nice. And I've been 1120 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,720 Michael Ring: a bridge between the Prospect Park Track Club and Achilles, 1121 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,640 Michael Ring: bringing a lot of Achilles guides into the competitive community 1122 01:06:06,180 --> 01:06:08,340 Michael Ring: and bringing a lot of people from the Prospect Park 1123 01:06:08,340 --> 01:06:12,180 Michael Ring: Track Club into Achilles, like telling people, " Well, you might 1124 01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:14,220 Michael Ring: be a little bit injured, you might not be able 1125 01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:17,280 Michael Ring: to run your race on race day, but maybe you 1126 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,310 Michael Ring: could help someone else run their race." And people do 1127 01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:23,100 Michael Ring: that and they're very kind and they feel good about it. 1128 01:06:23,460 --> 01:06:27,390 Meb: Absolutely. Achilles International, Achilles done amazing to have very selfless 1129 01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:30,210 Meb: and do races for others to get them to that 1130 01:06:30,210 --> 01:06:32,700 Meb: finish line no matter how hard or difficult it is. 1131 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,710 Meb: Well, what finish line or what goals feels exciting to 1132 01:06:37,710 --> 01:06:38,280 Meb: you now? 1133 01:06:38,550 --> 01:06:41,760 Michael Ring: On Sunday, December 7th, I'm going to run a 50K 1134 01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:47,370 Michael Ring: in Prospect Park. It's only nine laps of the park, 1135 01:06:47,370 --> 01:06:52,320 Michael Ring: so it sounds easy. It starts at 6: 00 AM. It'll probably 1136 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,140 Michael Ring: take me about 12 hours, and I get to dial 1137 01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:59,070 Michael Ring: in my all day pace. I have guides. I have 1138 01:06:59,070 --> 01:07:01,710 Michael Ring: a Google spreadsheet set up for guides to join me 1139 01:07:01,710 --> 01:07:06,390 Michael Ring: hour by hour and it'll be just an amazing experience 1140 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,169 Michael Ring: to get to that finish line, to watch the sun 1141 01:07:10,170 --> 01:07:13,650 Michael Ring: rise and the sunset in the same place, passing the 1142 01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:18,390 Michael Ring: same views nine times. It's calm and quiet and peaceful. 1143 01:07:18,570 --> 01:07:22,650 Michael Ring: It's a good refresh after the extremely exciting New York 1144 01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:27,600 Michael Ring: City Marathon. And then I'm running London and New York 1145 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,930 Michael Ring: again next year. I'm waiting to hear from Chicago. Maybe 1146 01:07:30,930 --> 01:07:32,550 Michael Ring: they'll hear this and I'll get more lucky in the 1147 01:07:32,550 --> 01:07:39,330 Michael Ring: lottery. So I want to just keep running marathons. A 1148 01:07:39,330 --> 01:07:43,230 Michael Ring: bigger goal is not about me specifically and running, but 1149 01:07:43,230 --> 01:07:46,590 Michael Ring: I'd love to get all those Abbott races in, but 1150 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,760 Michael Ring: they won't allow me to finish Tokyo. They're really strict 1151 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,150 Michael Ring: on time limits. There's no accommodation for people who are 1152 01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:57,390 Michael Ring: disabled and are working just as hard as the four 1153 01:07:57,390 --> 01:08:00,660 Michael Ring: or five hour people. New York gives me an early 1154 01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:05,940 Michael Ring: start, so I finish on Sunday, but they don't do 1155 01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:08,610 Michael Ring: that in a lot of the races and it's kind 1156 01:08:08,610 --> 01:08:10,020 Michael Ring: of not fair, it's not cool. 1157 01:08:10,380 --> 01:08:14,250 Meb: Wow. They might have limits, but you are unstoppable. Keep 1158 01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:16,799 Meb: up with the great work that you're doing and to 1159 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,400 Meb: run from several hours to you have done, which had done 1160 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,830 Meb: amazing. And then to be able to go to the 50K now, 1161 01:08:22,830 --> 01:08:26,010 Meb: whether it takes you 12 hours or a little bit more 1162 01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:28,800 Meb: or little less is a huge accomplishment. I'm so proud of you, Michael. 1163 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,550 Michael Ring: Yeah. Come to Prospect Park on Sunday and take a 1164 01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:33,060 Michael Ring: walk with me. 1165 01:08:35,610 --> 01:08:38,340 Meb: Well, sounds good, but I know I live in Florida, 1166 01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:40,080 Meb: so that's not very easily accessible. 1167 01:08:40,170 --> 01:08:40,380 Michael Ring: Okay. 1168 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,090 Meb: But I hope people will be cheering you on. 1169 01:08:42,090 --> 01:08:43,140 Michael Ring: All right, they will be. 1170 01:08:44,700 --> 01:08:45,120 Meb: Good luck. 1171 01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:45,840 Michael Ring: All right. Thank you very much. 1172 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:46,920 Meb: All right, sounds great. 1173 01:08:47,130 --> 01:08:47,310 Michael Ring: Bye. 1174 01:08:48,210 --> 01:08:50,759 Rob Simmelkjaer: Thank you, Michael, for joining us on Set the Pace. 1175 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,219 Rob Simmelkjaer: Thank you for being a part of Final Finishers. And 1176 01:08:53,460 --> 01:08:55,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: remember, if you haven't checked it out yet, you can 1177 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:59,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: see Michael and all the incredible stories of Final Finishers 1178 01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:04,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: streaming on ESPN+ or Disney Plus anytime. All right, now 1179 01:09:04,350 --> 01:09:06,599 Rob Simmelkjaer: it's time for today's Meb Minutes. 1180 01:09:09,390 --> 01:09:13,500 Meb: Spring starts in December. Off season is perfect time for 1181 01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:18,210 Meb: recovery and nutrition to work on small things. Spring races 1182 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,879 Meb: starts in the winter. Now is the time to be able to just be able to relax 1183 01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,520 Meb: a little bit and work on small details. Don't want 1184 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,610 Meb: to wait until March to get serious. Fitness build up 1185 01:09:29,610 --> 01:09:34,920 Meb: very, very slowly. Even sometimes just walking is a start and then becomes 1186 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,530 Meb: a jog and it becomes a run. But don't rush 1187 01:09:37,530 --> 01:09:42,570 Meb: into big things immediately. Small habits matter, like sleep, stretch, 1188 01:09:42,810 --> 01:09:45,990 Meb: strength work is when it needs to be done in the 1189 01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:51,629 Meb: off season. Some people say, I tell math and marathon 1190 01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:55,110 Meb: training, you can't cram them in. It is a long time 1191 01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:59,430 Meb: and it takes a long process to build the mileage. Usually 1192 01:09:59,430 --> 01:10:02,370 Meb: I take about 10% weekly to be able to stay 1193 01:10:02,370 --> 01:10:05,820 Meb: healthy. You don't want to do too many many miles too soon in which 1194 01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:11,040 Meb: it will lead to injuries. But consistency is important. It 1195 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,310 Meb: doesn't have to be perfect. Every workout has to be 1196 01:10:15,689 --> 01:10:21,330 Meb: just go as immediately or as home run. You just 1197 01:10:21,330 --> 01:10:24,150 Meb: have to be consistent. And as I said, sometimes it 1198 01:10:24,150 --> 01:10:27,060 Meb: is better to start the run, tie your shoes and 1199 01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:29,310 Meb: going out there. Even though sometimes in the weather it 1200 01:10:29,310 --> 01:10:32,370 Meb: might not feel like it's cold, but getting out and 1201 01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:38,520 Meb: being consistent is very, very important. Building endurance is very 1202 01:10:38,670 --> 01:10:43,559 Meb: smart. Start slow, means strong later. And what I like to say 1203 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:48,840 Meb: is endurance could always become speed. Speed cannot become endurance. So be 1204 01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,200 Meb: patient, have fun. And hey, December is when it starts for 1205 01:10:52,890 --> 01:10:56,880 Meb: the buildup for the spring. So don't wait till February 1206 01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,640 Meb: or March to get it going. It starts early and be patient 1207 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,979 Meb: and have fun doing the small thing that will pay 1208 01:11:01,979 --> 01:11:03,120 Meb: you big dividend later on. 1209 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: And that does it for another episode of Set the 1210 01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:09,059 Rob Simmelkjaer: Pace. We want to thank our guest today, Phil Keoghan 1211 01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:12,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: for The Amazing Race and the amazing Michael Ring. 1212 01:11:12,510 --> 01:11:15,960 Becs Gentry: Such an amazing episode. I cannot wait to tune in 1213 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,510 Becs Gentry: and listen to it myself, as I missed the interview, 1214 01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:23,580 Becs Gentry: and find out how he really felt over his Amazing 1215 01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:30,991 Becs Gentry: Race of 26. 2 through New York City. Amazing. 1216 01:11:30,991 --> 01:11:33,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it was pretty cool talking to him. I know a lot of big fans. My favorite part was him talking about all the 1217 01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:36,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: signs that he saw. People asking to be on the 1218 01:11:36,090 --> 01:11:37,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: race, on The Amazing Race show. 1219 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:38,040 Becs Gentry: Stop it. 1220 01:11:39,210 --> 01:11:40,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: Because they knew he was running. 1221 01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:40,381 Becs Gentry: That's commitment. 1222 01:11:40,381 --> 01:11:44,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: So he had folks out there pitching him to get on the show, which was pretty awesome. 1223 01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:47,760 Becs Gentry: Well, I mean, I would. Two people going around the 1224 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,070 Becs Gentry: world to win a million dollars. Come on. 1225 01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:50,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. 1226 01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:52,530 Becs Gentry: I'm ready for it, Phil. I'm ready. 1227 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: People shot their shot out there trying to get on 1228 01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:58,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: the show by showing Phil a sign as he ran 1229 01:11:58,830 --> 01:12:02,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: 26.2 miles. If you liked our episode today, make sure you 1230 01:12:02,670 --> 01:12:05,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: leave us a rating, subscribe to it, leave us a 1231 01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:08,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: comment so others can find the show as well. I'll 1232 01:12:08,670 --> 01:12:11,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: see many of you out there in Central Park this 1233 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: Saturday for the Ted Corbett 15K. 1234 01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:12,990 Becs Gentry: Fun. 1235 01:12:12,990 --> 01:12:14,938 Rob Simmelkjaer: Enjoy the miles. We'll see you next week.