1 00:00:11,250 --> 00:00:14,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hey everybody, and welcome to Set the Pace, the official 2 00:00:14,430 --> 00:00:17,669 Rob Simmelkjaer: podcast of New York Road Runners. We are presented by 3 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:20,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: Peloton. I'm your host and the CEO of New York 4 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:23,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: Road Runners, Rob Simmelkjaer. And with me this week and 5 00:00:23,430 --> 00:00:27,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: just about every week, my lovely co- host, a Peloton 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: running instructor, and an incredible runner in her own right, 7 00:00:30,450 --> 00:00:32,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becs Gentry. Hey Becs, nice to see you. 8 00:00:32,580 --> 00:00:36,120 Becs Gentry: Hello. Hi, I missed you. It's been a couple of 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,550 Becs Gentry: weeks while I was having a bit of family time, 10 00:00:38,820 --> 00:00:40,830 Becs Gentry: but I missed having our chats. 11 00:00:40,890 --> 00:00:43,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: I know. It's always hard, but we knew you were 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: coming back and I follow you on your Instagram and 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: all the places so it sounds like you guys had 14 00:00:48,750 --> 00:00:50,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great, great time and Becs- 15 00:00:50,190 --> 00:00:50,191 Becs Gentry: We did. 16 00:00:50,191 --> 00:00:53,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: ... this is exciting. We are joined today by a 17 00:00:53,850 --> 00:00:57,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: whole new audience. We've got now a new partner in 18 00:00:57,570 --> 00:01:01,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: iHeartMedia, and for the first time this week, our podcast 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:07,319 Rob Simmelkjaer: is being broadcast over the airwaves of WOR 710 AM here 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: in New York City, so welcome to all of our 21 00:01:09,390 --> 00:01:09,631 Rob Simmelkjaer: new listeners- 22 00:01:09,631 --> 00:01:09,632 Becs Gentry: What's up? 23 00:01:09,632 --> 00:01:14,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: ... on WOR with iHeart. It's super exciting to welcome 24 00:01:14,310 --> 00:01:17,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: a whole new group of people to this podcast. And 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: for those who don't know what they're listening to right 26 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:23,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: now, this podcast is all about running. We are New 27 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: York Road Runners, which of course is the nonprofit organization 28 00:01:26,190 --> 00:01:28,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: in New York that puts on the TCS New York 29 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:32,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: City Marathon and many, many other races. And so every 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,399 Rob Simmelkjaer: single week, Becs and I get together, we talk a little 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: running, and then we always bring in a guest sometimes 32 00:01:37,650 --> 00:01:40,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: too, to talk about what running has done for their 33 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: lives. And we've had so many different kinds of people 34 00:01:44,310 --> 00:01:46,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: over the years who have been runners and have had 35 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:51,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: their lives really transformed by running. And so we like 36 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,461 Rob Simmelkjaer: to talk to those people, and that's what we do here on Set the Pace, Becs. 37 00:01:53,461 --> 00:01:58,830 Becs Gentry: Exactly. And it is so awesome to have all these new ears listening 38 00:01:58,830 --> 00:02:03,420 Becs Gentry: and maybe getting inspired to come along to their first 39 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:06,000 Becs Gentry: New York Road Runners event in the future. 40 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: That's the idea. And you don't have to see yourself 41 00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:10,291 Rob Simmelkjaer: running a marathon- 42 00:02:10,291 --> 00:02:10,292 Becs Gentry: No. 43 00:02:10,292 --> 00:02:13,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: ... to just go for a run. You can go 44 00:02:13,470 --> 00:02:17,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: outside and run a mile, find a track nearby, run 45 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: a couple laps, and guess what? You've started to run. 46 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: And then we've talked to so many people on this 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: show over the 100- plus episodes we've now done who 48 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: said they never thought they would run and then they 49 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: something or someone inspired them to give it a try, 50 00:02:32,190 --> 00:02:34,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: and they took that first little jog and that turned 51 00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:37,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: into a longer one and a longer one. And some 52 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: of those people end up at the starting line of 53 00:02:39,570 --> 00:02:41,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: the New York City Marathon. Some of them don't, and 54 00:02:41,850 --> 00:02:45,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: that's okay because it doesn't mean you have to run a marathon just when 55 00:02:45,990 --> 00:02:49,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: you start running, you can just love running and get 56 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:51,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: something from it at any distance. 57 00:02:51,870 --> 00:02:56,520 Becs Gentry: Exactly. And even if you do one, that's it, one 58 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Becs Gentry: and done of any distance. The other thing you do though, 59 00:02:59,430 --> 00:03:02,580 Becs Gentry: once you're in the running world, is you come and cheer for all 60 00:03:02,580 --> 00:03:04,710 Becs Gentry: of your friends in the running world. So if you've never 61 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:06,960 Becs Gentry: come down to a New York Road Runners event in either 62 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,380 Becs Gentry: capacity, we can't wait to welcome you down however you 63 00:03:10,380 --> 00:03:10,950 Becs Gentry: choose to be there. 64 00:03:11,580 --> 00:03:14,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: That's right, that's a huge part of our community. It's 65 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:16,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: a huge part of what we do and talk about here 66 00:03:16,110 --> 00:03:19,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: as well as all the support that runners need from 67 00:03:19,470 --> 00:03:22,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: folks. So hey, the New York City Marathon, we call 68 00:03:22,230 --> 00:03:24,299 Rob Simmelkjaer: it the best day of the year in New York City. 69 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:24,390 Becs Gentry: True. 70 00:03:24,660 --> 00:03:26,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: But it's just one day of the year in New York 71 00:03:26,820 --> 00:03:29,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: because New York Road Runners is putting on running events 72 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:33,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: just, well, not just about every single week and weekend 73 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:36,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: of the year, whether it's one of our 40 races 74 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:39,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: or our open run, which are free races and free 75 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:42,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: runs, 5K runs in New York City parks, our rising 76 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:45,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners program where we've got over 100,000 77 00:03:45,780 --> 00:03:49,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: kids in schools running. So there's so much we're doing 78 00:03:49,470 --> 00:03:51,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: and you can be a part of it. So if you are new 79 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:55,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: to us, you can check everything out at nyrr. org 80 00:03:55,470 --> 00:03:59,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: and come join the party. Well, Becs, the running community did 81 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:01,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: get some sad news this week we have to talk 82 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:05,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: about. New York Road Runners Hall of Fame member Nina 83 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:10,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: Kuscsik, a legend in women's distance running and a lifelong 84 00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:14,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: advocate for women's participation in sports died this week at 85 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,469 Rob Simmelkjaer: the age of 86. Becs, Nina was the first official 86 00:04:19,470 --> 00:04:23,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: woman finisher in the history of the New York City 87 00:04:23,070 --> 00:04:26,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon. In 1970, she was the only woman to participate. 88 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:30,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: She had to drop out due to illness that year in 1970. 89 00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:36,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: In 1969, she ran the Boston Marathon unofficially as the 90 00:04:36,060 --> 00:04:39,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: race didn't even recognize women finishers at the time. And 91 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:43,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: then in 1972, of course she was famously part of 92 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Six Who Sat. Those were six women who showed 93 00:04:47,070 --> 00:04:49,589 Rob Simmelkjaer: up at the starting line of the marathon in Central 94 00:04:49,589 --> 00:04:53,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: Park. But when the gun went off, they sat down 95 00:04:53,220 --> 00:04:55,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: because they were protesting the fact that women had a 96 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: separate start and they thought they should be able to 97 00:04:57,930 --> 00:05:00,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: start with the men. After the press got a hold 98 00:05:00,930 --> 00:05:03,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: of that story, the women stood up and they started 99 00:05:03,450 --> 00:05:06,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: running. And Nina, she won that race in three hours 100 00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:11,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: and eight minutes. She was, Becs, a real legend in 101 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:11,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: the sport of running. 102 00:05:12,630 --> 00:05:18,960 Becs Gentry: She truly, truly was. And also that year, 1972, she was 103 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,660 Becs Gentry: a Boston Marathon champion, and that was the first year 104 00:05:21,660 --> 00:05:25,170 Becs Gentry: that women were officially able to actually run the Boston 105 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:30,089 Becs Gentry: Marathon, which is just wild. She's worked with other friends 106 00:05:30,089 --> 00:05:33,900 Becs Gentry: of New York Road Runners, Fred Lebow, Kathrine Switzer, and 107 00:05:34,050 --> 00:05:38,550 Becs Gentry: together the three of them actually co- founded Crazylegs Mini 108 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:44,279 Becs Gentry: Marathon. Have a Google of it, it is amazing. And 109 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:48,570 Becs Gentry: she worked tirelessly alongside Kathrine Switzer to bring the women's 110 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:51,180 Becs Gentry: marathon to the Olympics, which we all know finally did 111 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:56,550 Becs Gentry: happen in 1984. Go JBS for winning that one. And in 112 00:05:56,550 --> 00:06:03,089 Becs Gentry: 2022, so relatively recently, Nina received the Abebe Bikila Award 113 00:06:03,089 --> 00:06:05,760 Becs Gentry: presented annually by New York Road Runners to an individual 114 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,089 Becs Gentry: who has made an outstanding contribution to the sport of 115 00:06:09,089 --> 00:06:15,420 Becs Gentry: distance running. I think that is really, really just the 116 00:06:15,420 --> 00:06:18,240 Becs Gentry: icing on the cake of how she will be remembered 117 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:22,740 Becs Gentry: and celebrated forevermore in the world of running. 118 00:06:22,770 --> 00:06:28,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becs, it is hard to imagine running and distance running 119 00:06:28,230 --> 00:06:33,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: and marathons without women today in 2025, just about half 120 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:37,320 Rob Simmelkjaer: of our finishers are women these days. They've made such 121 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: huge contributions at the professional level, at the amateur level. 122 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:46,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: I just can't imagine this sport without the incredible gender 123 00:06:47,190 --> 00:06:51,359 Rob Simmelkjaer: equity that we have, and Nina was a trailblazer in 124 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,539 Rob Simmelkjaer: making all of that happen. I mean, she was running at 125 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:59,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: a time when there was a widespread belief by the 126 00:06:59,460 --> 00:07:02,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: powers that be in the sport that distance running was not 127 00:07:02,910 --> 00:07:06,659 Rob Simmelkjaer: something that was appropriate for girls and women. And she 128 00:07:06,810 --> 00:07:10,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: realized that was hogwash and she stood up and sat 129 00:07:10,740 --> 00:07:13,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: down and did all the things that make the world 130 00:07:13,710 --> 00:07:18,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: that we have today possible. So she just was a huge force for change in the sport 131 00:07:19,530 --> 00:07:22,440 Becs Gentry: She was, and as a female in the sport of 132 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,660 Becs Gentry: running, I will be forever in her debt for allowing 133 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:31,380 Becs Gentry: us to be here and doing all the things that 134 00:07:31,410 --> 00:07:34,710 Becs Gentry: we get to do today. So guys, if you want 135 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:38,700 Becs Gentry: to learn more about Nina's incredible legacy, head to the 136 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:42,300 Becs Gentry: link in today's show notes and deep dive and learn 137 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:46,050 Becs Gentry: more and more will help widen your mind, which she's 138 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:47,070 Becs Gentry: always a bonus. 139 00:07:47,190 --> 00:07:50,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: That's right. You can find out more about her at nyrr. org as 140 00:07:50,940 --> 00:07:52,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: well. We had a great blog post about her and 141 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:55,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: our social media as well. So rest in peace, Nina 142 00:07:55,890 --> 00:08:00,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: Kuscsik. Well, Becs, last Saturday was a little bit rainy. 143 00:08:00,780 --> 00:08:04,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: We had some wetness, but luckily no thunder, no lightning. 144 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:07,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: And so that allowed the show to go on at 145 00:08:07,170 --> 00:08:11,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Citizens Queens 10K. A giant field turned out at 146 00:08:11,850 --> 00:08:16,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: Flushing Meadows Park right there between Citi Field and the 147 00:08:16,020 --> 00:08:19,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: US Open National Tennis Center and the Hemisphere. It's such 148 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:24,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great environment where the old 1964 World's Fair took 149 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:30,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: place and the rain did not hold 10,997 runners back. 150 00:08:30,690 --> 00:08:31,050 Becs Gentry: So good. 151 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:32,491 Rob Simmelkjaer: Including yours truly by the way. 152 00:08:32,491 --> 00:08:32,821 Becs Gentry: Well done. 153 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: Running that race for the second year in a row. 154 00:08:35,820 --> 00:08:40,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: It was a great day and luckily the rain eased 155 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:42,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: up. By the time the race really got going, there 156 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: weren't too many raindrops and it was such a fun 157 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:48,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: day out there in Queens for the Citizens Queens 10K. It's 158 00:08:48,450 --> 00:08:52,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: one of our Five- Borough race series. It's the fourth 159 00:08:52,170 --> 00:08:55,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: Race of the year in that Five- Borough series. And 160 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: the winners this year for the women it was Khia Kurtenbach 161 00:08:59,130 --> 00:09:02,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: with a time of 34: 33. She's with Central Park 162 00:09:02,429 --> 00:09:06,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: Track Club. The non- binary winner was Pierce Lydon at 163 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:13,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: 36:44. And for the men it was Bekele Shiferaw Agunafr, hopefully 164 00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:15,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: I pronounced that correctly, with a time of 30 minutes 165 00:09:15,870 --> 00:09:20,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: and 52 seconds from West Side Runners. Becs, this is a 166 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:20,611 Rob Simmelkjaer: fun race. 167 00:09:20,611 --> 00:09:20,612 Becs Gentry: So fun. 168 00:09:20,612 --> 00:09:24,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: And having Citizens on board as our partner has made 169 00:09:24,150 --> 00:09:27,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: it even more fun because there's just this giant festival 170 00:09:27,270 --> 00:09:30,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: that goes on a big stage and music and giveaways 171 00:09:30,750 --> 00:09:33,958 Rob Simmelkjaer: and it's just a fun spot to be. And you 172 00:09:33,958 --> 00:09:37,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: know what, there was one really big piece of news 173 00:09:37,140 --> 00:09:40,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: actually, Becs, out of the Citizens Queens 10K, speaking of 174 00:09:40,350 --> 00:09:43,711 Rob Simmelkjaer: the marathon, are you familiar with the rapper named Nore? 175 00:09:43,711 --> 00:09:43,712 Becs Gentry: Yes. And I follow him and it was all over Instagram, yes. 176 00:09:43,712 --> 00:09:43,713 Rob Simmelkjaer: That's right. 177 00:09:43,713 --> 00:09:43,713 Becs Gentry: So cool. 178 00:09:43,713 --> 00:09:52,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: Nore, who is a native of Queens and has had 179 00:09:52,740 --> 00:09:55,229 Rob Simmelkjaer: a very successful hip- hop careers, had a couple of 180 00:09:55,230 --> 00:09:58,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: big hits, Nore with his whole crew, he's got a 181 00:09:58,410 --> 00:10:00,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: run club that he runs with, and they get to 182 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:04,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: the finish line of the Queens 10K, and then Nore drops 183 00:10:04,620 --> 00:10:07,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: the big news that he is going to run the 184 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:11,309 Rob Simmelkjaer: TCS New York City Marathon this fall, first marathon of 185 00:10:11,309 --> 00:10:15,059 Rob Simmelkjaer: his life, and yeah, the internet went crazy when he 186 00:10:15,059 --> 00:10:15,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: announced that. 187 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:16,081 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 188 00:10:16,081 --> 00:10:19,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: But yeah, we love it when someone who has a huge 189 00:10:19,890 --> 00:10:22,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: fan base like Nore and think about it, a guy like 190 00:10:22,770 --> 00:10:26,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: that who's got this huge number of fans, many of 191 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: whom probably most of whom are maybe not runners, and 192 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:32,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: they see him taking on this challenge. And I love 193 00:10:32,910 --> 00:10:36,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: this announcement because he said, " Running makes me happy." That's 194 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:39,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: what he said when he announced that he's running the 195 00:10:39,090 --> 00:10:41,309 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathon. I'm like, " That's a beautiful thing to hear." It's 196 00:10:41,309 --> 00:10:44,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: not the kind of sentiment that we maybe expect to 197 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: hear from rappers like hip- hop guys running makes me 198 00:10:48,630 --> 00:10:51,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: happy and I love that. And that was the reason 199 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: why he said he's going to take on the marathon. 200 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:00,929 Becs Gentry: That sentiment is really permeating all of the world right now. As you say, you 201 00:11:00,929 --> 00:11:03,990 Becs Gentry: don't expect to hear it from certain types of people, 202 00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:09,179 Becs Gentry: but it really is coming through with musicians, actors, business 203 00:11:09,179 --> 00:11:11,969 Becs Gentry: people, whoever. Oh, it makes my heart sing, I was 204 00:11:11,970 --> 00:11:13,829 Becs Gentry: so happy to see that. And then I went on 205 00:11:13,830 --> 00:11:16,740 Becs Gentry: a deep dive on his Instagram and yeah, great. We 206 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:17,849 Becs Gentry: can't wait to see you crush it, Nore. 207 00:11:18,390 --> 00:11:19,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: Something to look forward to this fall. 208 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:19,801 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. 209 00:11:19,801 --> 00:11:25,559 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right, Becs. Coming up on the show, it's a great show. We have an amazing guest 210 00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:29,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: today, a New York City sports legend, a longtime friend 211 00:11:29,250 --> 00:11:32,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: of New York Road Runners Tiki Barber will join us 212 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: to talk about his running journey and how he went 213 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: from running back to runner. And then later on you 214 00:11:38,130 --> 00:11:41,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: can check in for today's Meb Minute. Meb Keflezighi, if 215 00:11:41,429 --> 00:11:43,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: you don't know him, of course, a legendary runner in 216 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: his own right, New York City Marathon and Boston Marathon 217 00:11:47,070 --> 00:11:49,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: champion. He joins us every week to give us a 218 00:11:49,410 --> 00:11:51,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: little bit of a running tip. And this week, Meb's 219 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: here to remind us of what we should be thinking 220 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:57,839 Rob Simmelkjaer: about as we begin summer training for fall marathons. 221 00:11:58,050 --> 00:12:00,750 Becs Gentry: And before we go into too many more marathons, Rob, 222 00:12:01,110 --> 00:12:03,689 Becs Gentry: I just want to tell everybody a little bit of 223 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:05,760 Becs Gentry: my marathon news if that's okay. 224 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: Absolutely. Now, we knew that you were planning to run the Grandma's Marathon 225 00:12:11,010 --> 00:12:11,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: out in Minnesota. 226 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:18,150 Becs Gentry: Yeah, this coming Saturday. And unfortunately, but fortunately in many 227 00:12:18,150 --> 00:12:22,710 Becs Gentry: ways, I have decided to withdraw from the race because 228 00:12:22,770 --> 00:12:26,939 Becs Gentry: I talk a lot about mental health and enjoying running 229 00:12:27,150 --> 00:12:29,940 Becs Gentry: and the love of running. And if you followed me 230 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:32,760 Becs Gentry: during this training, you know it's been a strange one 231 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Becs Gentry: for me, Rob, to be quite honest, I thought I 232 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,090 Becs Gentry: was ready to go after 777, ready to push it. I 233 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:43,080 Becs Gentry: was invited to run this race as an elite. My 234 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,650 Becs Gentry: body just was giving me so many signs that it 235 00:12:46,650 --> 00:12:49,500 Becs Gentry: wasn't the right time to do this. There's no injury, 236 00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:54,660 Becs Gentry: I'm absolutely fine, I'm running every day, but my heart 237 00:12:54,690 --> 00:12:59,490 Becs Gentry: was not in it to race the marathon distance this 238 00:12:59,490 --> 00:13:02,910 Becs Gentry: Saturday. And sometimes you've just got to put your gut 239 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:06,210 Becs Gentry: instinct first and look after yourself. And I thought long 240 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:09,150 Becs Gentry: and hard about why am I putting my body through 241 00:13:09,150 --> 00:13:12,360 Becs Gentry: this stress? What was the reason? And I live by 242 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,190 Becs Gentry: the mantra forward is a pace, and I know I 243 00:13:14,190 --> 00:13:16,380 Becs Gentry: could have run it at any pace and finished in 244 00:13:16,380 --> 00:13:19,559 Becs Gentry: any time and been proud of it. But alongside that, 245 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:22,890 Becs Gentry: I have to remember, and I always remind people that 246 00:13:23,130 --> 00:13:26,309 Becs Gentry: 26.2 miles is a lot of cortisol on the body. 247 00:13:26,730 --> 00:13:31,290 Becs Gentry: And oftentimes you have to just say, " Hey, you know 248 00:13:31,290 --> 00:13:34,199 Becs Gentry: what? My body doesn't need that right now," and that's 249 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:40,470 Becs Gentry: where I was. And serendipitously, alongside that, I am hosting 250 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:45,030 Becs Gentry: my first ever run event alongside the actress Jennifer Garner 251 00:13:45,570 --> 00:13:47,581 Becs Gentry: this weekend in Los Angeles. 252 00:13:47,581 --> 00:13:48,001 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 253 00:13:48,059 --> 00:13:51,480 Becs Gentry: So logistically, it would've been really difficult for me to 254 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,630 Becs Gentry: do both getting from New York to Duluth to Los 255 00:13:54,630 --> 00:13:59,550 Becs Gentry: Angeles all within 72 hours. But if you have followed 256 00:13:59,550 --> 00:14:03,630 Becs Gentry: mine and Jennifer's Instagram, Jennifer decided to run a mile 257 00:14:03,630 --> 00:14:08,910 Becs Gentry: a day for 67 days for Save the Children. And 258 00:14:08,910 --> 00:14:11,309 Becs Gentry: I had this harebrained idea a few weeks ago. I 259 00:14:11,309 --> 00:14:14,220 Becs Gentry: said to her, " Hey, we should do a run on 260 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:19,050 Becs Gentry: day 67 as a finale," and it's spiraled into an 261 00:14:19,050 --> 00:14:21,690 Becs Gentry: event that will be held in West Los Angeles on 262 00:14:21,690 --> 00:14:26,130 Becs Gentry: Sunday. Event details will have dropped when we air this. 263 00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:31,770 Becs Gentry: We're really, really excited to just help spread this radical 264 00:14:31,770 --> 00:14:35,070 Becs Gentry: love that we're trying to get around the world to 265 00:14:35,070 --> 00:14:38,130 Becs Gentry: help save as many children as possible from the brink 266 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:42,840 Becs Gentry: of starvation to help improve their nutrition and health because $ 267 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:47,160 Becs Gentry: 67 is all it takes to help that journey kickstart. 268 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,990 Becs Gentry: We've already helped just over 6, 000 children since this hashtag 269 00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:55,350 Becs Gentry: has been rolling 67 strong for kids, so we're hoping 270 00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:57,690 Becs Gentry: it's going to at least double it. So if you're 271 00:14:57,690 --> 00:14:59,730 Becs Gentry: interested, check it out on my Instagram, check it out 272 00:14:59,730 --> 00:15:03,390 Becs Gentry: on Jennifer Garner's Instagram and on Save the Children. And if 273 00:15:03,390 --> 00:15:05,520 Becs Gentry: you're in the West Los Angeles area, look out for 274 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:06,420 Becs Gentry: us on Sunday. 275 00:15:07,170 --> 00:15:13,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: That is amazing. Absolutely a phenomenal reason to change your 276 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:18,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: running plans and an incredible cause as well, so congratulations 277 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: to you to Jennifer Garner as well. So cool that 278 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: I know someone who knows Jennifer Garner. That's the headline 279 00:15:24,810 --> 00:15:28,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: for me to this entire conversation, but it sounds really cool. 280 00:15:29,130 --> 00:15:32,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: And for those who don't know or who are new 281 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: to the podcast, Becks referred to 777. That was seven 282 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:40,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: marathons on seven continents in seven days that she took 283 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: on back in November, so yeah, I guess I could 284 00:15:43,830 --> 00:15:46,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: see how your body might still be in recovery mode. 285 00:15:47,070 --> 00:15:49,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: I think I'd be in recovery mode for the rest 286 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: of my natural life if I did what you did. I 287 00:15:52,740 --> 00:15:55,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: think that you're owed as much time as you want 288 00:15:55,620 --> 00:15:58,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: before you decide to race the marathon distance again. 289 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,041 Becs Gentry: Thank you. 290 00:15:59,041 --> 00:16:04,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: And I think people talk about running marathons, but you just can't 291 00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:09,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: overstate the physical toll that a marathon, especially when you're 292 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:12,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: going all out and racing a marathon, takes on your 293 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:12,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: body. It is really a hard thing to do. 294 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:18,570 Becs Gentry: It is, so we have to listen to those signs and 295 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:20,580 Becs Gentry: as joyful as it can be to get out there 296 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:24,600 Becs Gentry: and get those medals, I'll be cheering from afar with 297 00:16:24,810 --> 00:16:28,770 Becs Gentry: our podcast friend Carrie Tollefson will be there. Dick Beardsley, 298 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:31,860 Becs Gentry: their amazing panel that they host out there, and my 299 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:35,250 Becs Gentry: girls from the 777 race, Ash, Hillary, and Chirine will 300 00:16:35,250 --> 00:16:38,520 Becs Gentry: be there still competing so I'm definitely going to be 301 00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:42,060 Becs Gentry: cheering so loudly for everybody running that race this weekend. 302 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,359 Becs Gentry: Try the Peloton app for free and access classes for 303 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,090 Becs Gentry: every type of runner. Whether you're training for your first 304 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:51,510 Becs Gentry: race or you're a seasoned pro. From outdoor runs and 305 00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:55,650 Becs Gentry: intervals to strength yoga and stretching, you'll find the perfect 306 00:16:55,650 --> 00:16:59,100 Becs Gentry: fit for every part of your routine. 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Tiki Barber spent 10 seasons as a running back for 317 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:36,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Giants before retiring from the NFL in 2006. In 2014, he 318 00:17:36,420 --> 00:17:40,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: ran his first New York City Marathon and he was 319 00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:42,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: hooked. And over the next decade, Tiki completed more than 320 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:49,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: 15 marathons including Boston, Chicago, Big Sur, and Jerusalem. He's 321 00:17:49,050 --> 00:17:51,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: been a regular in New York Road Runners events, and 322 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:54,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: also served as an ambassador for Team for Kids raising 323 00:17:54,450 --> 00:17:58,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: money to support youth fitness programs. His last official race 324 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,939 Rob Simmelkjaer: with New York Road Runners was the 2023 Achilles Hope and Possibility 325 00:18:02,940 --> 00:18:05,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: four miler, where he served as a guide runner, and 326 00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:08,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: so Tiki is here to talk a little running and 327 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:10,709 Rob Simmelkjaer: maybe a little football. This is an honor, my man. 328 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:12,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: I've seen you around in races a lot. You're such 329 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great part of our running community, but to me 330 00:18:15,780 --> 00:18:18,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: you'll always be one of the best running backs in 331 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:20,429 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Giants history. I think the best, I'm not even going 332 00:18:20,430 --> 00:18:22,679 Rob Simmelkjaer: to say one of, the best running back in the 333 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: history of the Giants. So it is great to have 334 00:18:24,420 --> 00:18:25,619 Rob Simmelkjaer: you on. How are you? 335 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,710 Tiki Barber: I'm doing fantastic. It's great to see you Rob. And Becs, 336 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,400 Tiki Barber: I run with you daily on Peloton, so I feel 337 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,920 Tiki Barber: like I know you even though I don't actually have 338 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,460 Tiki Barber: met you yet, but this is exciting for me. Yeah, 339 00:18:38,460 --> 00:18:41,129 Tiki Barber: I'm a different kind of runner these days. And you 340 00:18:41,130 --> 00:18:45,750 Tiki Barber: talked about that first marathon in 2014, I sucked so bad. 341 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:50,970 Tiki Barber: I basically walked the last 10 miles, but I finished 342 00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:51,660 Tiki Barber: and then I was hooked. 343 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,080 Becs Gentry: Yes, but you know what? Getting to the finish line, Tiki, that's 344 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,330 Becs Gentry: what we always talk about. It doesn't matter. Forward is 345 00:18:57,330 --> 00:19:01,410 Becs Gentry: a pace. You get there and it's learning, it's all 346 00:19:01,410 --> 00:19:04,680 Becs Gentry: learning. And the most beautiful thing is, as you say, 347 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,850 Becs Gentry: you were hooked from that. 348 00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:06,180 Tiki Barber: Yeah. 349 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,680 Becs Gentry: That sucky 26. 2 wasn't enough to make you go, " 350 00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:13,138 Becs Gentry: Nope, not doing that again." It made you go, " Ah, 351 00:19:13,138 --> 00:19:13,770 Becs Gentry: how do I do this better?" 352 00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:18,210 Tiki Barber: Well, my body said, " Don't ever do this again." And 353 00:19:18,210 --> 00:19:20,880 Tiki Barber: then about a week later my mindset said, " You can't 354 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,330 Tiki Barber: be that bad as a runner." I also had to 355 00:19:24,330 --> 00:19:26,580 Tiki Barber: change my body. I mean, I still had a little 356 00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:29,850 Tiki Barber: bit of a football body in 2014, I was weighing 357 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,159 Tiki Barber: over 205 pounds or so. 358 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:32,790 Becs Gentry: Wow. 359 00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:37,770 Tiki Barber: I couldn't push my muscles for 26.2 miles. And so 360 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:39,780 Tiki Barber: over the next couple of years I got down to 361 00:19:40,020 --> 00:19:41,969 Tiki Barber: more of my natural weight. You guys know I have 362 00:19:41,970 --> 00:19:43,020 Tiki Barber: an identical twin brother. 363 00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:43,918 Rob Simmelkjaer: Ronde, yeah. 364 00:19:45,570 --> 00:19:49,320 Tiki Barber: Yeah, Ronde. Our natural weight is about 185 to 190. 365 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,980 Tiki Barber: And so now I weigh about 190, so I'm back 366 00:19:52,980 --> 00:19:56,669 Tiki Barber: to a natural weight as opposed to wearing shield of 367 00:19:56,670 --> 00:19:57,900 Tiki Barber: muscle to play football. 368 00:19:58,290 --> 00:20:01,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: How does that feel different, Tiki? Just walking around day 369 00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:04,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: to day must feel a lot different. You must feel 370 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:07,859 Rob Simmelkjaer: so much lighter just going up and down stairs and 371 00:20:07,859 --> 00:20:10,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: doing your day- to- day stuff versus all that mass 372 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:13,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: you had to carry to take and sometimes deliver a 373 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:15,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: hit on the football field. 374 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,440 Tiki Barber: I'd say, Rob, it's freeing in a way. There was 375 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,070 Tiki Barber: a point in my life where I had to have this 376 00:20:23,070 --> 00:20:25,440 Tiki Barber: padding on me because I'm getting hit 30 times a 377 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,560 Tiki Barber: game, and it became natural for me even after I 378 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,720 Tiki Barber: retired to want to lift weights, power lift, dead lift, 379 00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:36,869 Tiki Barber: bench press 300 pounds, all the stuff that was just 380 00:20:36,869 --> 00:20:41,399 Tiki Barber: part of my existence for two decades. But I realized 381 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Tiki Barber: that once you get older, once you hit 35, your 382 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,560 Tiki Barber: body doesn't respond to things anymore and you actually started 383 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,410 Tiki Barber: doing yourself damage, and so I just started to feel heavy 384 00:20:52,770 --> 00:20:54,840 Tiki Barber: and once I lost a lot of weight, I actually 385 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,770 Tiki Barber: got down in one year because I ran three marathons. 386 00:20:59,550 --> 00:21:02,880 Tiki Barber: I was down to 178, which was a little bit too skinny. 387 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:03,241 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 388 00:21:03,241 --> 00:21:03,242 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 389 00:21:03,242 --> 00:21:06,060 Tiki Barber: You could really see it. But I feel so much 390 00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:09,510 Tiki Barber: better. I changed my diet and I'm not as much 391 00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:13,320 Tiki Barber: of a carnivore as I used to be, but I 392 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,869 Tiki Barber: feel so much better as of now, a 50 year 393 00:21:15,869 --> 00:21:18,240 Tiki Barber: old than I did when I had all that weight 394 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:18,450 Tiki Barber: on me. 395 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:22,440 Becs Gentry: Isn't that just incredible that you at 50 can say 396 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:28,830 Becs Gentry: that and having such a massively successful sports career before 397 00:21:28,890 --> 00:21:31,890 Becs Gentry: you turn to running that you feel better now? I 398 00:21:31,890 --> 00:21:34,649 Becs Gentry: think most people would just be like, " That's unfair, man. 399 00:21:34,650 --> 00:21:38,459 Becs Gentry: That is so unfair," because you were the top of the world 400 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,760 Becs Gentry: in football and now you are saying how incredible it 401 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:41,940 Becs Gentry: is to run, but. 402 00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:45,300 Tiki Barber: Yeah, it's funny, Becs, because people always ask me why 403 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:47,609 Tiki Barber: I work out so much because I still run, even 404 00:21:47,609 --> 00:21:50,790 Tiki Barber: if I'm not training for marathons and putting in 50 miles 405 00:21:50,790 --> 00:21:53,129 Tiki Barber: a week, I still run three or four times a 406 00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:55,919 Tiki Barber: week and I'm always working out. I'm always in the 407 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,980 Tiki Barber: gym. People always ask, " Why do you keep doing that?" And I say, " 408 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:01,051 Tiki Barber: Because I'm vain." I like to look good. 409 00:22:01,051 --> 00:22:06,390 Becs Gentry: Listen, that's totally fine because it's important when you look 410 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:09,119 Becs Gentry: in the mirror, if you're happy with what you see 411 00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:12,720 Becs Gentry: that does translate to the rest of your day and 412 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,969 Becs Gentry: how you are outwardly and how you are outwardly is 413 00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:16,021 Becs Gentry: how you affect other people. 414 00:22:16,021 --> 00:22:16,022 Tiki Barber: 100%. 415 00:22:16,022 --> 00:22:16,023 Becs Gentry: Circular, it's all circular. 416 00:22:16,023 --> 00:22:22,679 Tiki Barber: And it also, so it's part being vain, but I 417 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,280 Tiki Barber: also am so competitive that I wake up one day 418 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,980 Tiki Barber: or I wake up in a couple of weeks and 419 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:31,320 Tiki Barber: I'll be like, " Man, I used to have better abs. 420 00:22:31,710 --> 00:22:34,290 Tiki Barber: I want to get that back." Or, " Man, I used 421 00:22:34,290 --> 00:22:35,850 Tiki Barber: to be strong. I used to be able to put 422 00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:37,830 Tiki Barber: up at least 225. I want to try to do 423 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:41,699 Tiki Barber: that again." And the same thing happened with running. The 424 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:44,220 Tiki Barber: first one, I told you I finished it, and you 425 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:46,169 Tiki Barber: have it Rob, I think it's five hours and 18 426 00:22:46,170 --> 00:22:50,220 Tiki Barber: minutes or something. I finished right with my wife Traci 427 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:52,050 Tiki Barber: because I waited for her and then we come just walked 428 00:22:52,050 --> 00:22:53,010 Tiki Barber: across the finish line together. 429 00:22:53,310 --> 00:22:53,970 Becs Gentry: Aw, I love that. 430 00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:56,639 Tiki Barber: And then since then I've taken an hour off. 431 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:56,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: That's right. 432 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,640 Tiki Barber: So I don't think I'll ever get under four hours just 433 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,500 Tiki Barber: because my body is not built- 434 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:01,501 Becs Gentry: Never say never. 435 00:23:01,501 --> 00:23:03,750 Tiki Barber: ... for 26.2 miles, but. 436 00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:05,520 Becs Gentry: I got you buddy. I got you. I can get 437 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:05,609 Becs Gentry: you that. 438 00:23:05,609 --> 00:23:12,660 Tiki Barber: Okay, maybe. But it's a competitive nature in me to just want to 439 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:15,389 Tiki Barber: continually improve, even if I'm getting older. 440 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:18,960 Becs Gentry: Yeah, absolutely. Tiki, I have to ask you a question, 441 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,369 Becs Gentry: because being English, I've got to stop saying that really 442 00:23:23,369 --> 00:23:25,020 Becs Gentry: after I've been here now eight years, I should know 443 00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:28,590 Becs Gentry: a lot more about American football. I have to paraphrase that 444 00:23:28,590 --> 00:23:33,510 Becs Gentry: as American football. And initially when I see running back 445 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:36,000 Becs Gentry: I'm like, " Well, he should have always been really good 446 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,560 Becs Gentry: at running. I don't understand." And then my partner's explaining 447 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,030 Becs Gentry: it to me and he's like, " No, he basically sprints 448 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:48,300 Becs Gentry: for a living really, really fast but then has to 449 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:51,659 Becs Gentry: stop dead because there might be another massive guy coming 450 00:23:51,660 --> 00:23:53,909 Becs Gentry: towards him at the equal speed and he has to 451 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:56,459 Becs Gentry: try and stop him but then carry on sprinting." I'm like, " 452 00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:56,638 Becs Gentry: Oh, got you." 453 00:23:56,638 --> 00:23:59,490 Tiki Barber: Right, that's exactly right. It's a bunch of starts and 454 00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:00,180 Tiki Barber: stops and change directions. 455 00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:02,639 Becs Gentry: Start and stop. See, you're HIIT training. 456 00:24:02,639 --> 00:24:07,530 Tiki Barber: I was never the super fastest guy, but I always 457 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:10,710 Tiki Barber: was elusive and I always considered myself above the Xs 458 00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:12,690 Tiki Barber: and Os and so I could tell where the contact 459 00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:15,390 Tiki Barber: was coming. So I didn't get hit a lot, but 460 00:24:15,390 --> 00:24:17,220 Tiki Barber: I did have to have a quickness to me, just 461 00:24:17,220 --> 00:24:20,340 Tiki Barber: not an endurance. It's not like the football that you're 462 00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:24,990 Tiki Barber: probably used to in London or England, wherever. Where are you 463 00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:25,680 Tiki Barber: from over there? 464 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,130 Becs Gentry: Originally from Worcestershire. Like the sauce, yes. 465 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,119 Tiki Barber: So what's the team? I'm a Liverpool fan. 466 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,921 Becs Gentry: Okay, Worcester doesn't have a team that we'll talk about. 467 00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:35,071 Tiki Barber: But which one's good? 468 00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:41,700 Becs Gentry: Well, they're terrible. My dad supports Ipswich because he's from Ipswich. 469 00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:42,210 Tiki Barber: Got it. 470 00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:44,399 Becs Gentry: If I had to say I supported anyone, it would 471 00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:46,169 Becs Gentry: probably be Chelsea. 472 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:46,770 Tiki Barber: Chelsea? 473 00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:48,419 Becs Gentry: But definitely Chelsea women's. 474 00:24:48,510 --> 00:24:51,600 Tiki Barber: Right. But they're playing in the World Cup or the 475 00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:54,660 Tiki Barber: Club World Cup. I saw them yesterday against, I forgot 476 00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:56,190 Tiki Barber: who they were playing, but they won yesterday 2-0. 477 00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:57,750 Becs Gentry: Doing well. 478 00:24:58,260 --> 00:25:01,590 Tiki Barber: But those football players run miles. 479 00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:03,241 Becs Gentry: They do, but the stats are so different. 480 00:25:03,241 --> 00:25:06,180 Tiki Barber: We don't run nearly that far. 481 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:09,480 Becs Gentry: Exactly, yeah. So that's why in my mind I was just like, " I rarely have to get 482 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,550 Becs Gentry: to grips with this American lingo here." 483 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,679 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's very different, and most Europeans would argue shouldn't be 484 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: called football because the feet are rarely involved in actually 485 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: touching the ball. Only one or two players on the 486 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: field actually kick the ball. But that's another conversation. We 487 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: love American football, I love football. I have to ask 488 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: Tiki, what was it that first put the idea of 489 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:33,359 Rob Simmelkjaer: running the marathon in your mind? 490 00:25:34,410 --> 00:25:37,109 Tiki Barber: The first inkling I had of it was, well, first 491 00:25:37,109 --> 00:25:39,240 Tiki Barber: of all, I have a long experience with the marathon, 492 00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:41,369 Tiki Barber: but really not in a good way. So I lived 493 00:25:41,369 --> 00:25:44,730 Tiki Barber: on the Upper East Side and so every marathon Sunday, 494 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:49,199 Tiki Barber: I used to go home before games. So wake up 495 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,000 Tiki Barber: at 5: 30 in the morning, I'd go home, see 496 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,850 Tiki Barber: my kids then have to be over at Giants Stadium 497 00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:59,100 Tiki Barber: by around 11:00 or so. I remember the first time 498 00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,220 Tiki Barber: I got caught in marathon traffic on the Upper East 499 00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:05,459 Tiki Barber: Side and I couldn't get across town. And I'm like, " 500 00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:07,709 Tiki Barber: What in the world is going?" I'm panicking because I'm going 501 00:26:07,710 --> 00:26:10,320 Tiki Barber: to be late for the game. And eventually I just 502 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,570 Tiki Barber: went to the outsides and went all the way down. 503 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:18,570 Tiki Barber: It took forever. But CC Sabathia, CC and Amber Sabathia 504 00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:20,879 Tiki Barber: have a foundation. And we were over at their house 505 00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:23,580 Tiki Barber: one Memorial Day and they started talking about ways to 506 00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:27,960 Tiki Barber: raise money for PitCCh In which is their foundation. And 507 00:26:28,650 --> 00:26:31,380 Tiki Barber: I said, " Yeah, let's look at the marathon." So they said, " 508 00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:34,169 Tiki Barber: Yeah, let's do a marathon team." I was like, "Yeah, I can do that. 509 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:37,650 Tiki Barber: It's easy." And so I kind of trained but didn't 510 00:26:37,650 --> 00:26:42,149 Tiki Barber: really know how to train and got hooked because the PitCCh 511 00:26:42,150 --> 00:26:45,419 Tiki Barber: In Foundation was sponsoring a bunch of runners to run 512 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,109 Tiki Barber: that first marathon in 2014. And the thing I remember most about 513 00:26:49,109 --> 00:26:53,609 Tiki Barber: it is it was freezing. I'm scared of heights, not 514 00:26:53,609 --> 00:26:55,980 Tiki Barber: really, but just if I feel like I can fall, 515 00:26:56,910 --> 00:27:00,720 Tiki Barber: I get scared being at altitude. And so we start, 516 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,750 Tiki Barber: we're on the Verrazzano Bridge and we're running up this 517 00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:07,139 Tiki Barber: bridge and I'm like, " It is windy and this wind 518 00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:10,410 Tiki Barber: might throw me over the side." You know the barrier 519 00:27:10,410 --> 00:27:14,670 Tiki Barber: in the middle? I hug that thing like it was like my child. 520 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:14,820 Becs Gentry: Oh, no. 521 00:27:14,820 --> 00:27:19,200 Tiki Barber: I was so scared running over this bridge, but I 522 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,530 Tiki Barber: was flying. I mean I'm naturally about a, I don't 523 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:25,170 Tiki Barber: know, I run nine and a half, 10 minute miles 524 00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:29,100 Tiki Barber: maybe. I think I did that first mile in seven minutes. 525 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:30,991 Becs Gentry: Oh, gosh. Took a bunch of that downhill. 526 00:27:30,991 --> 00:27:37,230 Tiki Barber: And that was uphill. And then going down, I did it in probably 6: 50. 527 00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:37,801 Becs Gentry: Oh my God. 528 00:27:37,801 --> 00:27:39,630 Tiki Barber: And then we get to the bottom, I'm like, " I am 529 00:27:39,630 --> 00:27:43,169 Tiki Barber: going way too fast. I'm basically sprinting right now." So 530 00:27:43,170 --> 00:27:45,450 Tiki Barber: I had to pull myself, I tried to pull myself 531 00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:52,530 Tiki Barber: back and it was challenging, but it was awesome. Running 532 00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:56,250 Tiki Barber: through the burrows and the support that's out there, it's 533 00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:57,960 Tiki Barber: something that you never get tired of. 534 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,040 Becs Gentry: No. And I can imagine for you having been supported by 535 00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:06,209 Becs Gentry: New Yorkers for your whole career, having New Yorkers show 536 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:08,790 Becs Gentry: up to every game you played, even if you were 537 00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:11,490 Becs Gentry: on the bench for some reason, they were there screaming 538 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:14,970 Becs Gentry: and shouting and supporting you, and then it's like you're in 539 00:28:15,090 --> 00:28:16,800 Becs Gentry: a different role. 540 00:28:16,859 --> 00:28:17,430 Tiki Barber: It's true. 541 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,190 Becs Gentry: And they're truly getting you through in this one. 542 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:23,790 Tiki Barber: Well, the beauty of running is that it is all encouragement. 543 00:28:24,270 --> 00:28:27,840 Tiki Barber: Unlike in football, there are times where they will boo 544 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,300 Tiki Barber: the hell out of you. That happened to me often. 545 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,770 Tiki Barber: And so the one thing I always felt that running 546 00:28:34,859 --> 00:28:39,210 Tiki Barber: before I got really involved with it was a solitary 547 00:28:39,210 --> 00:28:42,300 Tiki Barber: event. You train, maybe you train with a partner, but 548 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,810 Tiki Barber: when you're out there, you're running by yourself. It's a 549 00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:49,230 Tiki Barber: mental fortitude that you have to have. But the reality 550 00:28:49,230 --> 00:28:52,770 Tiki Barber: is it is so collective. And after my third or 551 00:28:52,770 --> 00:28:56,700 Tiki Barber: fourth one, I kept hearing this mantra, right? You're not 552 00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:02,310 Tiki Barber: going to win, so just best yourself. I found myself 553 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:05,280 Tiki Barber: always just challenging myself, but then as I got to 554 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,680 Tiki Barber: six or seven or eight of them, you realize that 555 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,670 Tiki Barber: everybody there that you're running with is your teammate. And so 556 00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:14,970 Tiki Barber: that's what I've come to love most about running is the 557 00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:18,420 Tiki Barber: community of it. And you don't have to know anybody yet 558 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,090 Tiki Barber: you do know them and they will pick you up, 559 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,860 Tiki Barber: especially if you're struggling. And it's a beautiful thing. It's 560 00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:29,220 Tiki Barber: a solitary thing, but it's also a collective beauty that 561 00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:32,340 Tiki Barber: comes with being out on the pavement and trying to complete 562 00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:34,680 Tiki Barber: a marathon or a half- marathon or a 10K or 563 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,510 Tiki Barber: whatever race you happen to be in. 564 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:41,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm always curious with people who have crossed over to 565 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: running marathons from other super successful athletic careers and other 566 00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:48,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: sports where they see the similarities and the differences. I 567 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:51,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: think you just talked about one, I mean the community 568 00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:53,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: and the support you get from other people. I know 569 00:29:53,910 --> 00:29:57,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: on a, certainly on a team, an NFL team, obviously 570 00:29:57,570 --> 00:30:00,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: the support you get from your, especially on the offensive 571 00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:03,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: side, you've got linemen and people who are there and you 572 00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:07,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: can't be successful without them so it's a different kind of 573 00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:10,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: community. What about the differences? What's the biggest difference for 574 00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:13,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: you other than no one trying to take you out 575 00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:14,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: when you're running the marathon? 576 00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:18,900 Tiki Barber: Right, you're not getting knocked out and blindsided. I would 577 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:23,130 Tiki Barber: say the biggest difference is the length of focus that 578 00:30:23,130 --> 00:30:27,479 Tiki Barber: you have to have. As a football player. People always think, " 579 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,640 Tiki Barber: Oh, you guys played perfect." I'm like, " No, we didn't. 580 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,370 Tiki Barber: We messed up a lot." You just can't tell, right? 581 00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:35,220 Tiki Barber: Because you don't know. You see a successful play, but 582 00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:38,280 Tiki Barber: 10 things might've went wrong, but the play could still 583 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,460 Tiki Barber: somehow be successful. But it happens like that, right? There's 584 00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:45,750 Tiki Barber: an immediacy to it. And after every play, after every 585 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:48,930 Tiki Barber: quarter, after every game, whether or not you are successful 586 00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:52,500 Tiki Barber: or not, but in running, you have to have a 587 00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:55,229 Tiki Barber: plan. So that's the similarity. Same thing, game plan. You 588 00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:56,940 Tiki Barber: have to have it. You have to follow it. And 589 00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:58,440 Tiki Barber: if you don't have a plan, you're going to be 590 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,450 Tiki Barber: all over the place. Kind of like my first marathon 591 00:31:00,450 --> 00:31:04,920 Tiki Barber: where I'm running 14 miles in the first two 14 592 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,590 Tiki Barber: minutes in the first two miles. And so you have 593 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:10,620 Tiki Barber: to have a plan, you have to be consciously sticking 594 00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:14,760 Tiki Barber: to it, but always aware. Right? There's no bench time, 595 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,490 Tiki Barber: there's no defense taking the field while you no special 596 00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:21,150 Tiki Barber: teams. It's a constant awareness that you have to be 597 00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:26,100 Tiki Barber: dialed into. And that took some getting used to. I 598 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:27,870 Tiki Barber: think the first couple I ran, I didn't have a 599 00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:29,640 Tiki Barber: plan. I was just like, " All right, just run as 600 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,350 Tiki Barber: you feel," right? Because you know you have those training 601 00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:33,540 Tiki Barber: runs, run as you feel. I said, " I'll just run as I 602 00:31:33,540 --> 00:31:36,540 Tiki Barber: feel." And that's why I started getting in trouble around the 603 00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:37,770 Tiki Barber: 59th Street Bridge. 604 00:31:37,950 --> 00:31:38,880 Becs Gentry: As a lot of people do. 605 00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:39,750 Tiki Barber: Don't worry. 606 00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:43,050 Becs Gentry: That is one of those sneaky bridges that people are like, " There's another one. 607 00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:45,750 Becs Gentry: Really? Really Rob and Ted?" 608 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:46,710 Tiki Barber: Another mile uphill? 609 00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:52,140 Becs Gentry: Another one. All right, so let's talk about the other ways 610 00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:56,040 Becs Gentry: that running has changed or added value and love to 611 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:56,191 Becs Gentry: your life. 612 00:31:56,191 --> 00:31:56,611 Tiki Barber: Yeah. 613 00:31:57,030 --> 00:31:59,640 Becs Gentry: And you've mentioned before that you've used running as a way 614 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,000 Becs Gentry: to travel. And when Rob interviewed you, there are some 615 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,020 Becs Gentry: really cool places that you've run marathons. So talk us 616 00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:09,780 Becs Gentry: through your favorite destinations, reasons why. 617 00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:15,030 Tiki Barber: Yeah. I did a lot of national ones, meaning United 618 00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:19,380 Tiki Barber: States first, so Chicago and Boston and Big Sur. And 619 00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:23,160 Tiki Barber: Big Sur was just gorgeous out on the Pacific, right 620 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,660 Tiki Barber: on the water, it was amazing. But I also realized 621 00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:30,930 Tiki Barber: that, man, this is an opportunity for me to go do something 622 00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:33,600 Tiki Barber: that I never would've thought of. And because of a 623 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,060 Tiki Barber: relationship with a buddy of mine, Ron Berkowitz, who was 624 00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:39,900 Tiki Barber: working with the Israeli Ministry of Tourism, they invited me 625 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:43,440 Tiki Barber: over to run the Jerusalem Marathon and I'd been to 626 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,100 Tiki Barber: Israel before back in 2005 and I had seen it in a 627 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,100 Tiki Barber: different context. And so when I went over for this 628 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,770 Tiki Barber: marathon, I had no idea what to expect. I know 629 00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:55,050 Tiki Barber: that it's somewhat hilly, but I didn't expect it to 630 00:32:55,050 --> 00:32:57,360 Tiki Barber: be this hilly. And in fact, when people ask me 631 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,000 Tiki Barber: about it, I say it's punitive because it's that much 632 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,030 Tiki Barber: of an incline over the course of the marathon. But 633 00:33:03,210 --> 00:33:06,840 Tiki Barber: it was my favorite because at mile 10, almost exactly 634 00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:11,400 Tiki Barber: at mile 10, you're on top of the mountain and 635 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,370 Tiki Barber: you're looking down at the Wailing Wall and the Dome 636 00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:20,670 Tiki Barber: of the Rock. It's just this gorgeous view of the bed 637 00:33:20,670 --> 00:33:25,380 Tiki Barber: of Biblical and religious history for so many cultures and 638 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,760 Tiki Barber: it just moves you. It was emotional. I stopped and 639 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,740 Tiki Barber: took a picture and it was crying a little bit 640 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,500 Tiki Barber: because of what it meant, and then you're running through 641 00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:39,540 Tiki Barber: the old city and the cobblestone roads. I love that 642 00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:44,760 Tiki Barber: marathon for what it brought to me emotionally. It's Jerusalem. 643 00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:47,220 Tiki Barber: How many people can say that they've run that marathon? 644 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,350 Tiki Barber: It was an odd start because the half and the full 645 00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:54,930 Tiki Barber: start at the same spot, and if you take the wrong 646 00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:57,600 Tiki Barber: turn, you're running the half as opposed to the full, 647 00:33:58,020 --> 00:33:59,820 Tiki Barber: so you really have to be aware. 648 00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:02,670 Becs Gentry: Bonus or not, it depends on your mood that day. 649 00:34:03,060 --> 00:34:05,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, your day could end a little early and you're like, " 650 00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:06,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh sweet, okay, I'm going." 651 00:34:06,510 --> 00:34:09,540 Tiki Barber: Right, Rob, it's not like in New York where everything 652 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:15,420 Tiki Barber: is so corralled and perfect and you can't mess it 653 00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:18,660 Tiki Barber: up in New York, you get directed to where you're 654 00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:21,930 Tiki Barber: supposed to go. In Jerusalem, it's like you're just wandering 655 00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:24,450 Tiki Barber: around, all right, we're going to start now. 656 00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:25,650 Becs Gentry: Do whatever. 657 00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:28,860 Tiki Barber: But it was an awesome experience. 658 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,800 Becs Gentry: I just saw that, I just looked up and it 659 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,819 Becs Gentry: says it's just over 3000 feet of elevation gain. 660 00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:35,851 Tiki Barber: Oh my goodness. Wow. 661 00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:40,980 Becs Gentry: Just under 1, 000 meters. That is unreal. So it's just rolling 662 00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:42,570 Becs Gentry: hill after hill after hill. 663 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,680 Tiki Barber: Becs, I felt like I was constantly going up. I was like, " 664 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,320 Tiki Barber: All right, I just went up. I know I have 665 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,660 Tiki Barber: to go down and here comes another hill." And I'm like, " 666 00:34:51,660 --> 00:34:52,620 Tiki Barber: God, here's another hill?" 667 00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:54,779 Becs Gentry: Was that when you were hoping someone would come and 668 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:55,170 Becs Gentry: take you out? 669 00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:55,410 Tiki Barber: Exactly. 670 00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:57,780 Becs Gentry: You're like, where's that big guy coming to tackle me, please? 671 00:34:58,140 --> 00:35:02,730 Tiki Barber: You know what was crazy? We live on such a small 672 00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:07,650 Tiki Barber: world. So Amar'e Stoudemire has became friends of ours just 673 00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:08,970 Tiki Barber: because he was in New York. He lived in former- 674 00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:12,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: Former great Knicks and Phoenix Suns forward, yep. 675 00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:15,570 Tiki Barber: Right, so he lived in Israel at the time and 676 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,489 Tiki Barber: we knew his wife, obviously Alexis. I'm running through this 677 00:35:20,489 --> 00:35:22,980 Tiki Barber: neighborhood now. We're off the mountain and we're going through 678 00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:27,540 Tiki Barber: these neighborhoods. I come right on this corner and I see 679 00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:30,840 Tiki Barber: Alexis right in front of me, out of all of 680 00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:34,739 Tiki Barber: places in Israel, we're running right by their home. And 681 00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:37,469 Tiki Barber: I stopped. I was like, " Alexis, what's happening?" She's like, " 682 00:35:37,469 --> 00:35:40,020 Tiki Barber: What the hell are you doing here?" And so the 683 00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:43,500 Tiki Barber: world is just tiny and you have these experiences when 684 00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:47,820 Tiki Barber: you live experiences. It's one of the reasons I love 685 00:35:48,540 --> 00:35:51,989 Tiki Barber: marathoning. Paris was another one that I thought was amazing. 686 00:35:53,070 --> 00:35:56,190 Tiki Barber: It was unfortunate that day because I stayed with a 687 00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:58,000 Tiki Barber: buddy of mine who was out in (inaudible) , which 688 00:35:58,140 --> 00:35:59,880 Tiki Barber: is a little bit about an hour away outside of 689 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,969 Tiki Barber: Paris. And I drove in that morning, my plan was 690 00:36:02,969 --> 00:36:06,390 Tiki Barber: to just find some place to park the car, go 691 00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:08,400 Tiki Barber: run a marathon, and then literally get on a plane and 692 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,480 Tiki Barber: come home. I parked the car in the garage, I had 693 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,180 Tiki Barber: five bottles of water so after I was done running, 694 00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:18,090 Tiki Barber: I could just drench myself with water, put my clothes 695 00:36:18,090 --> 00:36:21,029 Tiki Barber: on and get on a plane and come home. And as 696 00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:24,120 Tiki Barber: I'm getting on the plane, I hear the news that 697 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,800 Tiki Barber: Notre Dame is on fire. And so that happened the 698 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,020 Tiki Barber: day of the marathon in Paris and I was there 699 00:36:31,469 --> 00:36:33,540 Tiki Barber: and my brother was texting me on the plane. He 700 00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:35,070 Tiki Barber: was like, " Dude, what'd you do?" I'm like, "I didn't do anything." 701 00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:40,290 Rob Simmelkjaer: I actually did not know that that fire started on 702 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:42,151 Rob Simmelkjaer: the day of the marathon, I never put those two and two together. That's crazy. 703 00:36:42,151 --> 00:36:42,152 Tiki Barber: It was insane. And I happened to be there. 704 00:36:42,152 --> 00:36:42,362 Becs Gentry: It started small, I think. 705 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,870 Tiki Barber: Right. So there's been a lot of experiences from running 706 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:51,330 Tiki Barber: and I'll never forget any of them. 707 00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:52,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: So you are- 708 00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:52,920 Becs Gentry: And still, you didn't get out of them. 709 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:57,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah. So you're halfway to the Abbott Six Star Medal right 710 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: now. Which are the three that you still need? 711 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,989 Tiki Barber: Well now I'm three- sevenths of the way. Because of- 712 00:37:03,989 --> 00:37:05,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: You still get a medal for six though, Tiki. So 713 00:37:05,969 --> 00:37:08,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: you can still focus on the six, and then worry 714 00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:10,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: about seven afterwards if you choose. 715 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:13,380 Tiki Barber: I was on a grind. I had done 15 in 716 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,960 Tiki Barber: seven years and then COVID happened. I was booked for 717 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:22,440 Tiki Barber: Tokyo and 2020 shut down the world, and I was 718 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,850 Tiki Barber: going to go, even though they weren't going to run 719 00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:27,210 Tiki Barber: the Amateur, I had never been to Japan. And a 720 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,040 Tiki Barber: buddy of mine was like, " You're not going to be 721 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,650 Tiki Barber: able to come home if you go, you're going to 722 00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:34,799 Tiki Barber: get stuck in Japan because of this COVID thing." And 723 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,430 Tiki Barber: so we ended up canceling that trip and I haven't 724 00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:40,650 Tiki Barber: done that one yet. I still need to do London 725 00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:45,750 Tiki Barber: and obviously Berlin, and so I can now I think 726 00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:49,020 Tiki Barber: try to make time for them. The hardest one is 727 00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:52,860 Tiki Barber: Berlin because it's in the fall during football season, but 728 00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:56,040 Tiki Barber: I think Tokyo and London are around the corner in 729 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,410 Tiki Barber: the next couple of years. And then now obviously I have 730 00:37:58,410 --> 00:37:59,370 Tiki Barber: to go do Sydney. 731 00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:02,941 Becs Gentry: Which is not a shame to go all that way. 732 00:38:02,941 --> 00:38:03,210 Tiki Barber: No. 733 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:06,120 Becs Gentry: That will be amazing. All right, Tiki, let's talk recovery 734 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:09,180 Becs Gentry: because I have no idea how a football player would 735 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:13,080 Becs Gentry: recover other than I'm guessing massages and I don't know, 736 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,500 Becs Gentry: ice bars to get the bruises away. I just think 737 00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,259 Becs Gentry: it's a violent sport. That's why I'm saying that, compared 738 00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:19,680 Becs Gentry: to running. 739 00:38:20,219 --> 00:38:22,170 Tiki Barber: It is. It's much more violent than you can even imagine. 740 00:38:22,259 --> 00:38:27,330 Becs Gentry: Yeah. So how did your training and your pre- hab, 741 00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:31,230 Becs Gentry: rehab routine change from being a football player to being 742 00:38:31,230 --> 00:38:33,510 Becs Gentry: a runner, and especially now at 50? 743 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,610 Tiki Barber: Yeah, so it's interesting. As a football player, you get 744 00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:44,820 Tiki Barber: beat up so much and you're ridiculously high after a 745 00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:48,660 Tiki Barber: game, meaning emotionally it's like, man, that moment, just whatever, 746 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,110 Tiki Barber: and so it was always hard to come down and 747 00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:54,090 Tiki Barber: honestly, and this isn't a good thing, it's just the 748 00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:58,770 Tiki Barber: reality of athletes. Sometimes guys would turn to alcohol, and 749 00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:01,170 Tiki Barber: now as the case is, it's mostly legal and not 750 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,540 Tiki Barber: punitive to cannabis to bring themselves to a homeostasis or 751 00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:09,600 Tiki Barber: at least what they think it is. But as I've 752 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,029 Tiki Barber: gotten older, I realize how bad that is for your 753 00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:16,799 Tiki Barber: body and how much alcohol breaks down your muscles. And 754 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,280 Tiki Barber: so if you're beat up, it only doubles the damage, 755 00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:23,910 Tiki Barber: so to speak. And so now as more of a 756 00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:27,150 Tiki Barber: runner than a football player, I take so much care 757 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,950 Tiki Barber: to first of all, hydrate, but then also stretch because 758 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:34,290 Tiki Barber: we used to just finish a game and go take 759 00:39:34,290 --> 00:39:36,989 Tiki Barber: a shower, do the interviews and go home, and we'll 760 00:39:36,989 --> 00:39:39,180 Tiki Barber: worry about how we feel the next day. You do 761 00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:41,130 Tiki Barber: this inventory check when you get out of bed. All 762 00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:43,529 Tiki Barber: right, does my foot hurt? Nope, that's good. Does my 763 00:39:43,530 --> 00:39:45,900 Tiki Barber: ankle? It's all right. All right, my back feels all 764 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:49,109 Tiki Barber: right. You had to check yourself and then you'd go 765 00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:52,530 Tiki Barber: get worked on. I think as an older now runner, 766 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,779 Tiki Barber: it's more about preemptive maintenance, and so I still get 767 00:39:57,780 --> 00:40:00,450 Tiki Barber: worked on a lot. You talk about massage, I try to 768 00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:03,180 Tiki Barber: go at least once every two weeks. Sometimes I'll go 769 00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:09,060 Tiki Barber: every week if I'm training heavily. Stretching, sometimes I'll go 770 00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:15,899 Tiki Barber: acupuncture in just different ways to get myself feeling emotionally 771 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:20,549 Tiki Barber: and physically with myself. And it's definitely harder now that 772 00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:24,300 Tiki Barber: I'm 50 because I can't run five days a week 773 00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:28,020 Tiki Barber: anymore. And so it's three a week schedule. If I'm 774 00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:29,820 Tiki Barber: going to train for something, maybe I'll kick it up 775 00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:32,790 Tiki Barber: to four, but I have to supplement it with other 776 00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:38,009 Tiki Barber: types of workouts now and high intensity training, complex movements, 777 00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:41,640 Tiki Barber: things of that nature to get my heart beating and 778 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:48,000 Tiki Barber: sustaining this 30 or 40 minutes of pump without actually pounding on 779 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,630 Tiki Barber: my legs. 780 00:40:49,469 --> 00:40:52,260 Becs Gentry: It is so important to mix it up as you 781 00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:54,750 Becs Gentry: get older. Just, we all need to keep looking after 782 00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:58,920 Becs Gentry: our bones, our joints and running is a fantastic gentle 783 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,060 Becs Gentry: cardiovascular exercise for sure. But to stay healthy as we 784 00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:06,210 Becs Gentry: get into our later decades, yeah, we need that strength 785 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,200 Becs Gentry: training. We need that multi- plane movement exercise. So our 786 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,020 Becs Gentry: brains are also getting that like, " Oh, which way am 787 00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:15,570 Becs Gentry: I going to go now?" Instead of just la, la, la, la la. 788 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,859 Tiki Barber: It's funny because I tell my wife all the time, 789 00:41:19,859 --> 00:41:21,540 Tiki Barber: and she's younger than I am, but I was like, " 790 00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:24,150 Tiki Barber: I'm 50, you'll be there in a decade or so." 791 00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:27,540 Tiki Barber: But the most important thing, and I've heard this often 792 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,850 Tiki Barber: is protecting yourself against false as you get older, because 793 00:41:32,850 --> 00:41:36,569 Tiki Barber: that's what kills you. You break a hip, you do 794 00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:40,170 Tiki Barber: something that keeps you, makes you sedentary for an extended 795 00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:44,310 Tiki Barber: amount of time, your body doesn't respond well. So building 796 00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:48,660 Tiki Barber: muscle is so critical, one, to protect yourself and keep 797 00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:51,210 Tiki Barber: you from having weaknesses and muscles, but also if you 798 00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:55,290 Tiki Barber: should fall, at least you have some girth there. I 799 00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:59,759 Tiki Barber: know for especially women who are focused on their body 800 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,540 Tiki Barber: image, they think they're going to build muscle by lifting 801 00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:07,080 Tiki Barber: and doing squats and things of that nature. But in 802 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,739 Tiki Barber: order to put significant muscle on your body, you'd have 803 00:42:10,739 --> 00:42:14,640 Tiki Barber: to squat at least double your body weight. And most 804 00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:17,370 Tiki Barber: people, they're not going to do that. 805 00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:17,790 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 806 00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:23,370 Tiki Barber: And so it's all about cardio, physical strengthening of your 807 00:42:23,370 --> 00:42:25,710 Tiki Barber: bones and your muscles and your tendons, and the only 808 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:27,510 Tiki Barber: way you can do that is by lifting weights. I 809 00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:29,670 Tiki Barber: know people are so scared of it sometimes they're like, "Oh, 810 00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:30,779 Tiki Barber: I'm going to get bulky." 811 00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:31,410 Becs Gentry: Yeah. 812 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,719 Tiki Barber: It's hard to get bulky. It really is hard to 813 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,529 Tiki Barber: get bulky. You can do it. 814 00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:36,630 Becs Gentry: You really must take my classes because I do it 815 00:42:36,810 --> 00:42:39,930 Becs Gentry: often when we're running up hills and I'm like, " Anyone 816 00:42:39,930 --> 00:42:42,150 Becs Gentry: out there who's worried about the aesthetics of running up 817 00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:45,450 Becs Gentry: hills, your calves are not going to bulk up unless 818 00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:48,931 Becs Gentry: you eat a cow and directly put it into your calf." 819 00:42:48,931 --> 00:42:51,750 Tiki Barber: That's right. That's exactly right. 820 00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:56,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: Tiki, I'm wondering about the best reaction you've had in a 821 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: corral when someone is lined up, ready to run and 822 00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:03,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: they just turn to their left or their right. And 823 00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:06,989 Rob Simmelkjaer: there's Tiki Barber because you're still a pretty recognizable guy 824 00:43:06,989 --> 00:43:09,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: around New York from your playing career and then also 825 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:12,360 Rob Simmelkjaer: from all the work you do on TV, so have 826 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: you had some pretty funny reactions from folks who realize 827 00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:16,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: they're running next to Tiki Barber? 828 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,550 Tiki Barber: Yes, but Rob, it's not even in the corral, it's 829 00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:26,730 Tiki Barber: on the course. And it's funny because I wear my 830 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:30,090 Tiki Barber: name just like everybody, and sometimes people will be like, " 831 00:43:30,810 --> 00:43:36,270 Tiki Barber: Tiki, Tiki, Tiki." They can't say it. I'm like, "It's all good. I know you're talking about me," 832 00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:37,710 Tiki Barber: just smile. So they don't know who I am, but 833 00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:39,840 Tiki Barber: they're still screaming my name. But then every now and 834 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,170 Tiki Barber: then I'll get the guy I'll either pass or I'll 835 00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:45,719 Tiki Barber: be running next to, and then they'll speed up and be like, " 836 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,060 Tiki Barber: Hey man, can I get a selfie?" And so I 837 00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:52,500 Tiki Barber: can't tell you how many running selfies I've taken over 838 00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:56,700 Tiki Barber: the last 10 years or so, and so it's kind 839 00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,239 Tiki Barber: of awesome, but it just goes back to that community thing. 840 00:44:00,390 --> 00:44:03,569 Tiki Barber: We're not winning, we're out for a nice little stroll. 841 00:44:03,660 --> 00:44:06,719 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, and you make somebody's day with that selfie out 842 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: there at mile 13, whatever it is, it's a beautiful thing. 843 00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:13,380 Tiki Barber: But there's something about people yelling your name, and this 844 00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:16,920 Tiki Barber: is why everybody should wear a name when they're running 845 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,739 Tiki Barber: because you just hear it and it just lifts you up. 846 00:44:20,850 --> 00:44:23,760 Tiki Barber: And you talked about when I was ambassador for Team 847 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,819 Tiki Barber: for Kids, I love the Go Team for Kids, you 848 00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:30,120 Tiki Barber: see it all the time. Now I'm doing some work 849 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:35,370 Tiki Barber: with Achilles International and they're amazing. I forgot I was 850 00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:39,390 Tiki Barber: at a run down in Spring Lake, New Jersey, they 851 00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:42,839 Tiki Barber: had a five- mile run and I ran with my 11- year- 852 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,450 Tiki Barber: old daughter and she did it in 55 minutes, which I 853 00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:46,259 Tiki Barber: was impressed by. 854 00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:46,350 Becs Gentry: Wow. 855 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,770 Tiki Barber: Five miles. I know, I was shocked, but I saw an Achilles 856 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:53,790 Tiki Barber: athlete running, being guided, a blind runner being guided, and 857 00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:56,190 Tiki Barber: I was shocked because I usually only see them in 858 00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:58,440 Tiki Barber: the New York Road Runners events, but the Achilles athletes 859 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,810 Tiki Barber: are everywhere. And so I ran by and I was like, " 860 00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:05,070 Tiki Barber: Let's go Achilles." And so that encouragement is so meaningful, 861 00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:09,239 Tiki Barber: especially when you get to latter parts of marathons and 862 00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:11,250 Tiki Barber: you read the signs and you know they're lying to you. " 863 00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:15,509 Tiki Barber: It's not that much farther. You only got a couple miles left." 864 00:45:15,509 --> 00:45:16,081 Becs Gentry: The worst couple of miles of my life. 865 00:45:16,081 --> 00:45:22,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. Can you talk, Tiki, about your time with 866 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: Team for Kids and what drove you to do that and 867 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: what's your memories are? I mean, I know it meant a ton 868 00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:30,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: to the people at Road Runners to have someone like 869 00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:33,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: you involved with these kids. I mean, I can only 870 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:35,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: imagine what it meant to the kids who you were 871 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,219 Rob Simmelkjaer: with, but talk about that and what did you most 872 00:45:38,310 --> 00:45:39,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: get from that experience? 873 00:45:40,590 --> 00:45:43,860 Tiki Barber: I first got introduced to it because of the 5th 874 00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:47,250 Tiki Barber: Avenue Mile, and so I went and ran the mile. 875 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,580 Tiki Barber: Christopher Susan, who was in the PR a couple years ago, 876 00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:53,520 Tiki Barber: invited me. And so I see they had the kids 877 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,310 Tiki Barber: race before and I see these kids that are running and 878 00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:59,430 Tiki Barber: it got explained to me what Team for Kids does. 879 00:45:59,850 --> 00:46:04,020 Tiki Barber: And because running is so simple, all you need is 880 00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:06,810 Tiki Barber: a pair of shoes and a place to go get 881 00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:11,520 Tiki Barber: out and run around, and it's a great activity for kids 882 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,050 Tiki Barber: who are becoming, unfortunately, a lot more sedentary and at 883 00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:18,870 Tiki Barber: home and they want to be on their games and 884 00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:21,420 Tiki Barber: not outside and playing. It was a way for me 885 00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:25,770 Tiki Barber: as a former athlete to talk about how important it 886 00:46:25,770 --> 00:46:31,290 Tiki Barber: is to just be athletic, and that's anything. Jim Harbaugh, 887 00:46:31,290 --> 00:46:35,489 Tiki Barber: who's a football coach now for the Chargers, the Los 888 00:46:35,489 --> 00:46:39,000 Tiki Barber: Angeles Chargers, when he was a coach at Michigan, we 889 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,270 Tiki Barber: had him on one of my radio shows and we 890 00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:45,810 Tiki Barber: were talking about these odd ways that he recruits athletes. 891 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,800 Tiki Barber: And so one thing he started talking about climbing trees. 892 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,860 Tiki Barber: We're like, " Why are you climbing trees?" And he's like, " 893 00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:57,480 Tiki Barber: It's an athletic rep. It's just something that gets you 894 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,930 Tiki Barber: active and moving." And it's really the philosophy that I 895 00:47:00,930 --> 00:47:04,920 Tiki Barber: have for kids is just be active. Go play, go 896 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,800 Tiki Barber: run. And running is so simple. And the fact that 897 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,640 Tiki Barber: Team for Kids had those programs for young kids and 898 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,830 Tiki Barber: young adults to get them out and effectively competing was 899 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,969 Tiki Barber: something that I really galvanized and felt really strongly about. 900 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,470 Becs Gentry: Absolutely. You have six kids? 901 00:47:25,469 --> 00:47:29,010 Tiki Barber: I have six kids, yes. I have a 23 year old who just graduated from Princeton. 902 00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:30,029 Becs Gentry: Oh, congratulations. 903 00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:33,210 Tiki Barber: Thank you. A 21 year old who's at Brown, 15- year- 904 00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:35,940 Tiki Barber: old twins who were getting ready to go into their 905 00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:39,120 Tiki Barber: sophomore year in high school, and then a 11 year 906 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,219 Tiki Barber: old, and a soon to be 9 year old. 907 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:41,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. 908 00:47:41,969 --> 00:47:45,450 Becs Gentry: Oh my gosh. You are spread in all of the moods. 909 00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:51,089 Tiki Barber: Yeah, 23 to nine, right? It's kind of crazy, but it's 910 00:47:51,090 --> 00:47:55,680 Tiki Barber: awesome. It keeps me young and I'm lucky. I have 911 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,340 Tiki Barber: great kids. 912 00:47:57,210 --> 00:47:59,460 Becs Gentry: And they're all, I'm getting active. I mean, you already 913 00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:02,161 Becs Gentry: said your one daughter crushed the five miler there with you. 914 00:48:02,161 --> 00:48:06,569 Tiki Barber: Right. My oldest played football, so both my boys played 915 00:48:06,570 --> 00:48:09,810 Tiki Barber: football. AJ at Princeton. Chason is going into his senior 916 00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:14,549 Tiki Barber: year at Brown. My twins are running track in high 917 00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:18,660 Tiki Barber: school at Greenwich High School, they're both sprinters. And then 918 00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:24,239 Tiki Barber: my two youngest daughters, Brooklyn and Teagan, are competitive cheerleaders. 919 00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:25,141 Becs Gentry: Oh, no way. 920 00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:29,580 Tiki Barber: Now I know some people don't know cheer, but cheer 921 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,540 Tiki Barber: is as intense as anything any of my kids have 922 00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:37,109 Tiki Barber: done because it's serious. They're there to win. It's not 923 00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:41,940 Tiki Barber: participation. They travel, they've been to Oklahoma, this is yearly, 924 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:47,489 Tiki Barber: Dallas. They go to Nashville, Maryland. The Summit Championship is 925 00:48:47,489 --> 00:48:52,200 Tiki Barber: down in Orlando, and so it's a massive commitment, but 926 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:57,810 Tiki Barber: it teaches them about teamwork and focus and dedication to 927 00:48:57,810 --> 00:49:01,410 Tiki Barber: a team, and they're good at it and we love it. 928 00:49:01,410 --> 00:49:03,000 Tiki Barber: And I've become a cheer dad. 929 00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:07,739 Becs Gentry: Aw, that's really cute. Also kind of brutal as well. 930 00:49:07,739 --> 00:49:07,771 Tiki Barber: Oh, yeah. 931 00:49:07,771 --> 00:49:10,529 Becs Gentry: Because those falls are like you getting slammed by that big guy. 932 00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:16,140 Tiki Barber: No, that's exactly right. I'm knocking on wood, luckily my girls 933 00:49:16,140 --> 00:49:19,920 Tiki Barber: have not fallen yet. They've gotten very close. Back last 934 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,980 Tiki Barber: year, Brooklyn, one of the bases just was just a 935 00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:25,830 Tiki Barber: little bit too far apart from each other, and her 936 00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:28,290 Tiki Barber: head got that close to hitting the ground. 937 00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:29,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: Ooh. 938 00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:29,219 Becs Gentry: Oh God. 939 00:49:29,219 --> 00:49:31,680 Tiki Barber: They caught her and pulled her back up and she 940 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,680 Tiki Barber: got right back into the stunt and everything was fine. 941 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,460 Tiki Barber: But I get nervous watching her as a flyer because 942 00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:40,350 Tiki Barber: she gets tossed up in the air, all this other 943 00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:44,460 Tiki Barber: stuff. But she's a great athlete and she, like me 944 00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:48,330 Tiki Barber: I think as a football player, doesn't have fear. So 945 00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:52,110 Tiki Barber: when you have fear, it gets hard to perform and 946 00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:57,870 Tiki Barber: she doesn't think about what negative could happen. It's all 947 00:49:57,870 --> 00:50:01,110 Tiki Barber: positive and trust. It's really what comes from team sports. 948 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,100 Becs Gentry: Yeah, and I'm sure they've seen that from you, living your life as a football player and 949 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,780 Becs Gentry: now being not afraid to change to an endurance athlete. 950 00:50:09,810 --> 00:50:11,101 Tiki Barber: Right, exactly. Even though that's harder. 951 00:50:11,101 --> 00:50:13,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: All right, Tiki, so we got to get you on the 952 00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:16,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: record now for when we're getting you back out there 953 00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:17,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: running another marathon. 954 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,030 Becs Gentry: I knew this was coming. 955 00:50:18,030 --> 00:50:21,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: This is when we put the pressure on. So what's your plan? 956 00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:24,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: It sounds like London maybe is the next thing you 957 00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:28,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: have circled. It's in the spring. It's outside NFL season, 958 00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:32,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: so are you going to try to go for that in 2026? 959 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,810 Tiki Barber: Yes, 2026. London is going to be on the docket. 960 00:50:39,989 --> 00:50:40,411 Tiki Barber: I'll probably run. 961 00:50:40,410 --> 00:50:40,411 Becs Gentry: You've got a coach right here. 962 00:50:40,411 --> 00:50:40,412 Tiki Barber: Right, there you go. 963 00:50:40,412 --> 00:50:40,413 Becs Gentry: I'm in. 964 00:50:40,413 --> 00:50:45,540 Tiki Barber: I'll probably run with Achilles, but in the very short term, not 965 00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:48,120 Tiki Barber: very because it's actually in the fall, I'm going to 966 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,739 Tiki Barber: be running the Staten Island Half with Francesco, who is a 967 00:50:52,739 --> 00:50:56,400 Tiki Barber: blind runner. Francesco is a great runner, and so when 968 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,779 Tiki Barber: I guide him, he's actually guiding me because he pulls 969 00:51:00,780 --> 00:51:04,680 Tiki Barber: me along, and so I'm going to do the Staten Island 970 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,600 Tiki Barber: Half in October, whenever that is, and then shoot for 971 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,100 Tiki Barber: London in 2026. 972 00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:13,770 Becs Gentry: What a great race to do. I love that you're 973 00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:15,510 Becs Gentry: guiding him, but he's pacing you. 974 00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:18,750 Tiki Barber: Yes, that's exactly right, Becs. That's the perfect way to 975 00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:19,050 Tiki Barber: put it. 976 00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:23,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: He's a very good runner, Francesco from Achilles International. Yes, 977 00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:26,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: that sounds like a killer combination right there. Tiki and 978 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: Francesco, he's got the speed. You'll get anybody out of 979 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:30,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: the way, right? 980 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:30,690 Tiki Barber: Right. 981 00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:33,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: Anybody's in the way, you will clear a running lane 982 00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:34,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: for Francesco. 983 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,330 Tiki Barber: I just got to get myself back in shape, Rob. I'm in sprint 984 00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:42,270 Tiki Barber: shape right now, I'm not in half- marathon shape yet. 985 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's a great race, Staten Island Half, so I ran 986 00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:46,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: it a couple of years ago. You'll have a really good 987 00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:49,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: time out there. All right, well, we can't wait to 988 00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:52,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: see you back in a New York Road Runners Corral. 989 00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:54,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's been a minute. Can't wait to see you back 990 00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:59,009 Rob Simmelkjaer: out there with Francesco out in Staten Island. And yeah, 991 00:51:59,010 --> 00:52:02,069 Rob Simmelkjaer: you've just been, you've done so much for the organization. 992 00:52:02,070 --> 00:52:06,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: You're such a great ambassador for running as well of 993 00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:08,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: course, as for football. Have you gotten any of your former 994 00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:11,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: teammates to try running any Giants that you've tried to 995 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:13,080 Rob Simmelkjaer: convert into marathoners? 996 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,310 Tiki Barber: I did. I got Jason Sehorn to come run. God, 997 00:52:17,310 --> 00:52:20,489 Tiki Barber: this was before COVID, so I can't remember how long, so it 998 00:52:20,489 --> 00:52:25,649 Tiki Barber: was six or so years ago, and he absolutely crushed 999 00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:30,330 Tiki Barber: it. I think he ran 3: 30 or something. 3:20. 1000 00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:33,571 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. He was a defensive back, as I recall. Is that right? 1001 00:52:33,571 --> 00:52:36,840 Tiki Barber: Defensive back. It was his first marathon. And I saw afterwards, 1002 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,880 Tiki Barber: he's like, " Yeah, I'm done. Not doing that ever again." 1003 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:38,971 Becs Gentry: Made it. 1004 00:52:38,970 --> 00:52:43,050 Tiki Barber: He's like, " I killed it and I'm not doing it again. Bucket 1005 00:52:43,230 --> 00:52:44,399 Tiki Barber: list checked. I'm good." 1006 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,225 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hey, we love the bucket listers in the New York City 1007 00:52:48,225 --> 00:52:50,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon. They are a big part of our community and 1008 00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:53,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: we love that because let's face it, if you're a New 1009 00:52:53,820 --> 00:52:57,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yorker and at this point, Tiki, you are very much a 1010 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: New Yorker, it's just one of those New York City 1011 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: passport stamps you have to have to be a true 1012 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:06,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: New Yorker, and you've had it stamped many times. 1013 00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:09,630 Tiki Barber: You're right, and New York Road Runners, I commend you 1014 00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:13,980 Tiki Barber: guys because your races have become iconic. They're part of 1015 00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:17,340 Tiki Barber: the fabric of this city. And whenever there's a big 1016 00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:21,690 Tiki Barber: marathon, especially the New York City Marathon, the 60 plus 1017 00:53:21,690 --> 00:53:24,300 Tiki Barber: thousand people that run this thing and all the supporters 1018 00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:28,020 Tiki Barber: that are out there, it takes over New York for 1019 00:53:28,020 --> 00:53:31,620 Tiki Barber: a day and it's awesome. And I commend you guys 1020 00:53:31,620 --> 00:53:35,550 Tiki Barber: because I can't imagine that's easy to do and coordinate 1021 00:53:35,969 --> 00:53:39,000 Tiki Barber: yet. You give so many people from all across the 1022 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,230 Tiki Barber: world this amazing memory that will last their entire lives. 1023 00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:46,170 Tiki Barber: So I thank you guys for what you all do. 1024 00:53:46,260 --> 00:53:49,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: Thank you. Tiki, you took over New York a few 1025 00:53:49,230 --> 00:53:53,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: times yourself on a lot of Sundays wearing the blue 1026 00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: and the red out in New Jersey technically, but it 1027 00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:56,970 Rob Simmelkjaer: was for New York. 1028 00:53:56,969 --> 00:53:57,600 Tiki Barber: Right. 1029 00:53:57,690 --> 00:54:01,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: And we certainly, we love you, New Yorkers love you, 1030 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: and it's great to still have you as part of 1031 00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:06,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: this community through running as well as through the broadcasting 1032 00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:08,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: so great to have you, Tiki. Thanks for being on. 1033 00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:11,850 Tiki Barber: Good to see you. And Becs, one of these days, I want 1034 00:54:11,850 --> 00:54:12,630 Tiki Barber: to meet you in person. 1035 00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:16,109 Becs Gentry: Oh my gosh. Anytime. You're welcome in the studio, anytime. 1036 00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:17,101 Becs Gentry: And we'll go for a run when you're in the city. I'd love it. 1037 00:54:17,101 --> 00:54:17,251 Tiki Barber: I would love that. 1038 00:54:32,550 --> 00:54:35,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners is a nonprofit organization with a 1039 00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:38,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: vision to build healthier lives and stronger communities through the 1040 00:54:38,969 --> 00:54:43,080 Rob Simmelkjaer: transformative power of running. The support of members and donors 1041 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: like you helps us achieve our mission to transform the 1042 00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:50,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: health and wellbeing of our communities through inclusive and accessible 1043 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: running experiences, empowering all to achieve their potential. Learn more 1044 00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:59,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: and contribute at nyrr. org/ donate. And now it's time 1045 00:54:59,910 --> 00:55:02,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: for today's Meb Minute with Meb Keflezighi. 1046 00:55:03,090 --> 00:55:07,110 Meb Keflezighi: Smart summer training. Summer is a fun way to train 1047 00:55:07,110 --> 00:55:10,410 Meb Keflezighi: to be able to just do gradual mileage. Sometimes we 1048 00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:12,509 Meb Keflezighi: want to run as many miles as we can, but 1049 00:55:12,569 --> 00:55:14,489 Meb Keflezighi: this is a good time to be able to do 1050 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,609 Meb Keflezighi: drills, to be able to just be smart, when to 1051 00:55:17,610 --> 00:55:20,969 Meb Keflezighi: run, and also be wise to be able to do 1052 00:55:20,969 --> 00:55:24,960 Meb Keflezighi: the... Sometimes let the body, it's not about the mileage, 1053 00:55:24,989 --> 00:55:27,660 Meb Keflezighi: but going out and doing a little bit of stretching. 1054 00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:31,739 Meb Keflezighi: Run five minutes, stretch a little bit in the shade, and continue with your 1055 00:55:31,739 --> 00:55:34,860 Meb Keflezighi: run. It is good time to be able to just 1056 00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:38,070 Meb Keflezighi: visualize your workouts or what is going to look like 1057 00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:41,010 Meb Keflezighi: because you have to be able to just see yourself 1058 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,250 Meb Keflezighi: run those miles, do the cool down, do the stretch. 1059 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,680 Meb Keflezighi: Sometimes in the winter, you can't wait to get fast 1060 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,600 Meb Keflezighi: enough to the house to be in a warmer place, 1061 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,640 Meb Keflezighi: but in the summer you can go in the shade 1062 00:55:50,910 --> 00:55:54,060 Meb Keflezighi: and be able to just stretch the muscles, and the mileage 1063 00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:57,480 Meb Keflezighi: is important, but the speed is more important on this day. 1064 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: That does it for another episode of Set the Pace. 1065 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: Thanks again to our listeners on WOR 710 in New 1066 00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:07,800 Rob Simmelkjaer: York, and to all of our regular listeners on all 1067 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: the podcast places. We want to thank our guest today, 1068 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,919 Rob Simmelkjaer: Tiki Barber. And hey, if you like this show, make 1069 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,440 Rob Simmelkjaer: sure you go on to wherever you get your podcasts, 1070 00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:20,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: follow the show, subscribe to it, leave it a rating 1071 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: as well, we like five stars, so that folks can 1072 00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:24,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: find it as well. And we'd love to hear from 1073 00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:26,819 Rob Simmelkjaer: you so you can leave a comment because I love 1074 00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:29,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: reading the comments of how people enjoy listening to this 1075 00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:32,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: show. Thanks for joining us. We will see you next 1076 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: week. Enjoy the miles.