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Peloton, the official 10 00:00:32,670 --> 00:00:35,010 Speaker 1: digital fitness partner for New York Road Runners. 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,409 Speaker 2: Thank you, New York. Today we're reminded of the power 12 00:00:43,409 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: of community and the power of coming together. Athletes, on 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: your mark. 14 00:00:50,970 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: The first woman to finish for the second straight year 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,140 Speaker 3: here in the New York City Marathon is Miki Gorman, a smiling 16 00:00:58,140 --> 00:01:01,140 Speaker 3: Miki Gorman, and why not? 2: 29:30, the time for Grete Waitz. 17 00:01:02,910 --> 00:01:05,550 Speaker 4: Look at the emotion of Shalane Flanagan as she comes 18 00:01:05,550 --> 00:01:08,910 Speaker 4: to the line. Pointing to his chest, pointing to the 19 00:01:08,910 --> 00:01:11,430 Speaker 4: USA he so proudly wears across his chest, a great day for Meb Keflezighi. 20 00:01:11,429 --> 00:01:22,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: Hello, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Set the 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: Pace presented by Peloton, it's the official podcast of New 22 00:01:26,430 --> 00:01:28,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: York Road Runners. I am your host and the CEO 23 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:31,709 Rob Simmelkjaer: of New York Road Runners, Rob Simmelkjaer, great to have 24 00:01:31,709 --> 00:01:35,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: you with us this week. Sadly, my amazing co- host, 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: Becs Gentry, she's where I was a few weeks, not 26 00:01:38,310 --> 00:01:41,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: feeling great, and so I am flying solo today. I 27 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:44,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: tell you, there's something going around that people are getting 28 00:01:44,940 --> 00:01:47,009 Rob Simmelkjaer: left and right, so it looks like it hit Becs 29 00:01:47,010 --> 00:01:49,830 Rob Simmelkjaer: since she's taken the week off. I have to tell 30 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:54,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: you that I really feel very lucky that I got 31 00:01:54,420 --> 00:01:57,000 Rob Simmelkjaer: sick when I got sick because if you listen to 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: the show a lot, you'll remember I got some sort 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: of a bug right after Labor Day and knocked me 34 00:02:03,510 --> 00:02:06,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: out for a week, but it was fortunate in the 35 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:09,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: timing of it because I've had that time to recover. 36 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:12,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: I got my training back on track for the BMW 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: Berlin Marathon that's coming up this Sunday, and I have 38 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:18,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: to tell you, I feel so fortunate. I was out 39 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:22,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: there on Sunday with 12,000 of you at the New 40 00:02:22,620 --> 00:02:25,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: Balance Bronx 10 Miler on a gorgeous day in the 41 00:02:25,620 --> 00:02:30,209 Rob Simmelkjaer: Bronx, and it was perfect. I had an amazing day, 42 00:02:30,570 --> 00:02:35,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: which I say secretly, this is really one of my 43 00:02:35,340 --> 00:02:38,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: absolute favorite races on the New York Road Runners race 44 00:02:38,910 --> 00:02:43,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: calendar, and it lived up to its name again this 45 00:02:43,110 --> 00:02:47,790 Rob Simmelkjaer: year. Beautiful weather, amazing course, great energy, and I had 46 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:50,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: a tremendous day out there. I felt back to the 47 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,889 Rob Simmelkjaer: way I felt before I got sick, had a really 48 00:02:52,889 --> 00:02:56,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: nice day, and so it really gave me that confidence 49 00:02:56,460 --> 00:02:58,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: to feel ready as I get on a plane this 50 00:02:58,980 --> 00:03:00,780 Rob Simmelkjaer: week and head over to Berlin. By the time this 51 00:03:01,020 --> 00:03:03,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: episode of Set the Pace drops, I will be in 52 00:03:03,150 --> 00:03:06,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: Germany getting ready. So thanks to all of you who 53 00:03:06,210 --> 00:03:09,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: have given me support. So many of you said at 54 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:11,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: the finish line in the Bronx wish me luck in 55 00:03:11,610 --> 00:03:14,639 Rob Simmelkjaer: Berlin. I can't thank you enough for all that. Also, 56 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: thanks to all of you who have actually supported my 57 00:03:17,430 --> 00:03:20,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: run for Team for Kids. I'm running to support Team 58 00:03:20,490 --> 00:03:24,269 Rob Simmelkjaer: for Kids, of course, that's the program that helps fund 59 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:27,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: the incredible youth and community programs that we have at 60 00:03:27,630 --> 00:03:30,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners. So many of you, many of you I don't even 61 00:03:30,570 --> 00:03:34,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: know have contributed to this run. There's still time to 62 00:03:34,650 --> 00:03:37,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: support it. You can go to my Instagram page, look 63 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:39,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: in the bio, and there's a link to my Team 64 00:03:39,810 --> 00:03:43,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: for Kids page, and thank you all so much for 65 00:03:43,230 --> 00:03:46,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: supporting me. Can't tell you how much it means to 66 00:03:46,170 --> 00:03:49,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: me as I get ready to head over to Berlin. 67 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:53,369 Rob Simmelkjaer: And at Road Runners races, I love going to our races. 68 00:03:53,370 --> 00:03:56,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: I always say my favorite place to be is at 69 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:58,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: the finish line of one of our races. I get 70 00:03:58,620 --> 00:04:01,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: so much support, love taking pictures with all of you. 71 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: I also have so many of you come up to 72 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:05,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: me and tell me that you listen to the podcast 73 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:08,670 Rob Simmelkjaer: during your training. I love that. And I always say, hey, 74 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:12,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: if you have a question for me or for Becs or for Meb 75 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,880 Rob Simmelkjaer: about your training, you just want to give us a shout- 76 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: out, love it at the finish line, also love it 77 00:04:17,310 --> 00:04:18,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: if you leave a comment. You can do that on 78 00:04:18,990 --> 00:04:22,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: Apple Podcasts or your platform of choice, so go ahead 79 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:24,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: and send us a question, we'd love to hear from 80 00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:27,690 Rob Simmelkjaer: you as well. But thanks to everybody, congrats to everybody 81 00:04:27,870 --> 00:04:32,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: who ran the 12, 000 runner plus New Balance Bronx 10 82 00:04:32,220 --> 00:04:35,159 Rob Simmelkjaer: Miler on this past Sunday, and how about a shout- 83 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,349 Rob Simmelkjaer: out to our winners? We had some great winners. On 84 00:04:37,350 --> 00:04:40,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: the men's side, it was Ryan Cutter of Brooklyn Track 85 00:04:40,170 --> 00:04:44,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: Club with a time of 48 minutes and 47 seconds, 86 00:04:45,029 --> 00:04:49,620 Rob Simmelkjaer: unbelievable. 48:57, I should say. Congrats to Ryan Cutter. On 87 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:53,609 Rob Simmelkjaer: the women's side, it was Amelework Fikadu Bosho. Hope I got that 88 00:04:53,610 --> 00:04:56,909 Rob Simmelkjaer: pronunciation right of West Side Runners with a time of 89 00:04:56,910 --> 00:05:01,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: 55:23. And in the non- binary category, it was our friend Jacob 90 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:04,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: Caswell of FrontRunners New York coming in with a time of 57: 91 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: 38. So congrats to all of our winners. Well, today 92 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:13,589 Rob Simmelkjaer: we've got an incredible conversation. I think personally, one of 93 00:05:13,589 --> 00:05:17,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: the most inspiring interviews that we've had here on Set 94 00:05:17,430 --> 00:05:20,099 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Pace. You might wonder, what do New York Road 95 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:24,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: Runners and pie crust cookies have in common? Well, not 96 00:05:24,450 --> 00:05:27,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: only are they both fun and somewhat delicious, if you 97 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:30,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: can taste the deliciousness of a good run, I kind 98 00:05:30,420 --> 00:05:32,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: of feel like I had a great meal after a 99 00:05:32,970 --> 00:05:36,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: run, but no, there's more. We've got a member of 100 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners who is not only a member 101 00:05:39,029 --> 00:05:41,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: and not only a three- time TCS New York City 102 00:05:41,430 --> 00:05:44,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: Marathon finisher about to take on her fourth this fall, 103 00:05:44,970 --> 00:05:47,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: but she's also the founder of New York City based 104 00:05:47,850 --> 00:05:51,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: Janie's Life Changing Baked Goods, a home of the famous 105 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:54,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: pie crust cookie. And let me tell you something, not 106 00:05:54,870 --> 00:05:57,359 Rob Simmelkjaer: only does she make an incredible cookie, and I had 107 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: a chance to try a bunch of them, I got 108 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,469 Rob Simmelkjaer: a box of them handed to me right at the 109 00:06:01,470 --> 00:06:04,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: finish line of the New Balance Bronx 10 Miler, and they 110 00:06:04,410 --> 00:06:08,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: were delicious, so I can't recommend them enough. But Janie 111 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:12,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: also just has an incredible story. She overcame addiction and 112 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: homelessness to get to where she is now, a New 113 00:06:15,570 --> 00:06:19,500 Rob Simmelkjaer: York City native, successful business owner now. And you talk 114 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:22,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: about the transformative power of running, you're not going to 115 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:24,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: find a better example of it than Janie. So she's 116 00:06:24,990 --> 00:06:28,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: coming up playing double duty today as both our member 117 00:06:28,529 --> 00:06:31,349 Rob Simmelkjaer: guest and our featured guest today on Set the Pace. 118 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:34,589 Rob Simmelkjaer: So Janie's coming up in just a minute. By the 119 00:06:34,589 --> 00:06:37,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: way, speaking of the TCS New York City Marathon, we are 120 00:06:37,740 --> 00:06:41,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: now at a little more than five weeks until 50, 000 121 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:43,799 Rob Simmelkjaer: runners will toe the line at the foot of the 122 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: Verrazzano Bridge for the 26. 2 mile journey through all 123 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: five boroughs of New York City. And that means of 124 00:06:50,430 --> 00:06:53,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: course you've got questions, you need information, those of you 125 00:06:53,970 --> 00:06:57,479 Rob Simmelkjaer: out there training, our man, the great Meb Keflezighi will 126 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,940 Rob Simmelkjaer: be here in a little while to give us today's 127 00:06:59,940 --> 00:07:03,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: Meb Minute. He'll talk about what we should be focusing 128 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:07,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: on during week 11 of our 16- week TCS New 129 00:07:07,470 --> 00:07:10,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: York City Marathon training program. So stay tuned for that. 130 00:07:11,490 --> 00:07:14,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York Road Runners is a non- profit organization with 131 00:07:14,460 --> 00:07:17,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: a vision to build healthier lives and stronger communities through 132 00:07:17,850 --> 00:07:21,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: the transformative power of running. The support of members and 133 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: donors like you helps us achieve our mission to transform 134 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:28,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: the health and well- being of our communities through inclusive 135 00:07:28,380 --> 00:07:32,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: and accessible running experiences, empowering all to achieve their potential, 136 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:40,470 Rob Simmelkjaer: learn more and contribute at nyrr. org/ donate. From overcoming 137 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:45,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: homelessness and addiction to becoming a celebrated entrepreneur and marathon 138 00:07:45,090 --> 00:07:49,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: runner, Janie Deegan has charted an inspiring path of resilience 139 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,220 Rob Simmelkjaer: and transformation. As the founder of Janie's Life Changing Baked 140 00:07:53,220 --> 00:07:57,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: Goods, she turned a therapeutic hobby into a thriving business, 141 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,870 Rob Simmelkjaer: and her company's open- door hiring policy reflects her commitment 142 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:04,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: to giving second chances to other people facing similar life 143 00:08:04,890 --> 00:08:08,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: challenges. We are so excited to have Janie as our 144 00:08:08,130 --> 00:08:10,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: guest on Set the Pace today. And by the way, 145 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:12,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: I want to say I'm so excited to have just 146 00:08:13,050 --> 00:08:15,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: eaten a box of her cookies over the weekend after 147 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: the Bronx 10 Miler. Janie, is so great to have 148 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: you here on Set the Pace, welcome. 149 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:24,810 Janie Deegan: I'm so thrilled to be here. I'm a lifelong fan 150 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:27,240 Janie Deegan: of New York Road Runners, and it's just so great to 151 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:29,550 Janie Deegan: sit down and chat with you about all things that 152 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:33,089 Janie Deegan: I love and everybody loves. 153 00:08:34,230 --> 00:08:37,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: Thank you, thank you so much. You are a native 154 00:08:37,530 --> 00:08:42,210 Rob Simmelkjaer: New Yorker, grew up in the Upper West Side, truly 155 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,900 Rob Simmelkjaer: New York through and through, but your story's just incredible. 156 00:08:46,770 --> 00:08:51,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: You went through some really difficult times, addiction and homelessness, 157 00:08:52,380 --> 00:08:55,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: and now you have found your way to this place 158 00:08:55,170 --> 00:08:59,760 Rob Simmelkjaer: as an entrepreneur baking these amazing baked goods. How did 159 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,059 Rob Simmelkjaer: it start, Janie? I always think it's interesting to kind 160 00:09:03,059 --> 00:09:06,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: of start with someone where they were at their bleakest 161 00:09:06,510 --> 00:09:11,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: moment and talk about kind of how that transformation began. 162 00:09:11,490 --> 00:09:15,179 Rob Simmelkjaer: Can you take us back to that place? Where were 163 00:09:15,179 --> 00:09:18,809 Rob Simmelkjaer: you, what was happening in your life, and how did 164 00:09:18,809 --> 00:09:20,640 Rob Simmelkjaer: you kind of start turning things around? 165 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:27,929 Janie Deegan: Yeah, so I mean, crazy story, but not unfamiliar to 166 00:09:27,929 --> 00:09:32,790 Janie Deegan: so many people. I'm an addict and an alcoholic in 167 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:37,530 Janie Deegan: recovery, and I've been sober for 11 and a half years now. But 168 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,050 Janie Deegan: when I was in my early 20s is when sort 169 00:09:40,050 --> 00:09:45,600 Janie Deegan: of my addiction first became really apparent and I couldn't 170 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,599 Janie Deegan: stop drinking on my own or taking drugs. And I 171 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:52,890 Janie Deegan: ended up, sort of everybody in my life was like, " 172 00:09:52,890 --> 00:09:56,010 Janie Deegan: You need to stop." And I would try, and I 173 00:09:56,010 --> 00:09:58,380 Janie Deegan: couldn't. And it was like if I did stop, my 174 00:09:58,380 --> 00:10:02,250 Janie Deegan: life would get worse because drugs and alcohol were my 175 00:10:02,250 --> 00:10:05,850 Janie Deegan: tools. When I found them, when I was younger, I 176 00:10:05,850 --> 00:10:11,189 Janie Deegan: was always filled with anxiety and insomnia and just really, 177 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:15,569 Janie Deegan: just it wasn't comfortable to be me as a child 178 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:18,090 Janie Deegan: or a young adult. And so when I found drugs 179 00:10:18,090 --> 00:10:20,309 Janie Deegan: and alcohol, which I think most addicts would agree with, 180 00:10:20,309 --> 00:10:22,320 Janie Deegan: it was my solution for a little while. And it 181 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,800 Janie Deegan: just made me brighter and clearer- headed and happier and 182 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,500 Janie Deegan: feel more popular and prettier and all of the above. 183 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,949 Janie Deegan: But at some point, that stops working and that catches 184 00:10:31,950 --> 00:10:34,170 Janie Deegan: up with us. And luckily that caught up with me 185 00:10:34,830 --> 00:10:39,510 Janie Deegan: when I was pretty young, but I started trying to 186 00:10:39,510 --> 00:10:43,500 Janie Deegan: get sober when I was around 22, and then didn't 187 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:47,370 Janie Deegan: get continuous sobriety until I was 25. And in between 188 00:10:47,370 --> 00:10:50,040 Janie Deegan: that it just sort of got worse and worse, and 189 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,940 Janie Deegan: eventually the last year that I was out there, I 190 00:10:53,940 --> 00:10:56,459 Janie Deegan: ended up homeless. Everybody in my life was like, " We 191 00:10:56,460 --> 00:10:58,319 Janie Deegan: love you, but it hurts to be around you." And 192 00:10:59,730 --> 00:11:01,980 Janie Deegan: it was twofold, it was like I was so toxic 193 00:11:01,980 --> 00:11:07,380 Janie Deegan: to be around. And so I don't want to say 194 00:11:07,380 --> 00:11:09,569 Janie Deegan: nobody wanted to help me because people did, but I 195 00:11:09,570 --> 00:11:13,590 Janie Deegan: was not going to be helped. I had everybody pushed 196 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:17,910 Janie Deegan: away. And so for the last year of my drinking 197 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:21,150 Janie Deegan: and drug use, I was homeless, and it was such 198 00:11:21,150 --> 00:11:23,219 Janie Deegan: a... I knew where the solution was. I knew the 199 00:11:23,220 --> 00:11:27,929 Janie Deegan: solution was to stop drinking and drugging, but I just couldn't 200 00:11:27,929 --> 00:11:31,679 Janie Deegan: get there. And I'm sure many addicts would share the 201 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,610 Janie Deegan: same thing. It's so insurmountable and overwhelming. It's like, okay, 202 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:37,920 Janie Deegan: tomorrow I'm going to stop, tomorrow I'm going to stop. 203 00:11:38,309 --> 00:11:40,740 Janie Deegan: But then you're in this cycle of shame and lies 204 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:48,420 Janie Deegan: and addiction, which is chemical addiction. And I just didn't 205 00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:53,610 Janie Deegan: feel like I had any self- worth or confidence. And 206 00:11:53,610 --> 00:11:55,890 Janie Deegan: you have to have self- love to get sober, right? 207 00:11:56,010 --> 00:12:02,640 Janie Deegan: And in May of 2013, something kind of clicked and 208 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,540 Janie Deegan: I was like, I'm going to die if I keep 209 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:09,120 Janie Deegan: doing this, which I already knew, and that was my 210 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Janie Deegan: type of addiction was that I was going to die 211 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:17,069 Janie Deegan: a young, awful death. And I just decided to be 212 00:12:17,070 --> 00:12:20,339 Janie Deegan: honest to one person, one person who was still left in 213 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:25,050 Janie Deegan: my life about the exact details of my circumstances. And 214 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:31,140 Janie Deegan: he was sort of angry, but not shocked, and not 215 00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:33,420 Janie Deegan: that angry. He was just like, thank God you're finally 216 00:12:33,420 --> 00:12:37,080 Janie Deegan: telling the truth. And for me to have someone accept 217 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,620 Janie Deegan: all of me was just that first inkling that maybe 218 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,130 Janie Deegan: I've been drinking and drugging for a long time and 219 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:46,890 Janie Deegan: just sort of not being comfortable in my own skin 220 00:12:46,890 --> 00:12:52,500 Janie Deegan: for 25 years, maybe if I just am my authentic self people... 221 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:55,410 Janie Deegan: And I didn't actively think that, but that's what I 222 00:12:55,410 --> 00:12:58,920 Janie Deegan: realized was deep down maybe if I'm honest about who 223 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,860 Janie Deegan: I am and what I need, I can lead a 224 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:04,530 Janie Deegan: happier life. And so I ended up getting sober June 225 00:13:04,530 --> 00:13:09,120 Janie Deegan: of 2013. And it was rough. I was homeless, at 226 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,829 Janie Deegan: that point I was living in a three- quarter house 227 00:13:10,830 --> 00:13:15,059 Janie Deegan: in the Bronx that has been since federal charges have 228 00:13:15,059 --> 00:13:19,380 Janie Deegan: been brought against this organization by the government for Medicaid 229 00:13:19,380 --> 00:13:23,100 Janie Deegan: fraud, and I don't know, misusing funds allocated for addicts 230 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:27,420 Janie Deegan: and people out of prison. And I had always said, 231 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:29,340 Janie Deegan: if I have a safe place to get sober, I'll 232 00:13:29,340 --> 00:13:31,860 Janie Deegan: get sober. But I had had so many safe places 233 00:13:31,860 --> 00:13:33,780 Janie Deegan: and now I was in an unsafe place, but I 234 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:39,689 Janie Deegan: had the willingness to change my life, and I became 235 00:13:39,690 --> 00:13:42,720 Janie Deegan: a superintendent in the East Village taking care of buildings 236 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,949 Janie Deegan: and got an apartment, a free apartment, and worked for 237 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:50,970 Janie Deegan: free. And it was just the humbling. I just learned 238 00:13:50,970 --> 00:13:53,640 Janie Deegan: what gratitude was. I'd be walking down the street with 239 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,640 Janie Deegan: rats skimpering down the street at 5: 00 AM, emptying 240 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,120 Janie Deegan: people's beer cans and sorting recycling, which is just disgusting 241 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,490 Janie Deegan: in New York. And I'd be like, " I can't believe this 242 00:14:02,490 --> 00:14:03,360 Janie Deegan: is my life." 243 00:14:03,870 --> 00:14:08,280 Rob Simmelkjaer: And Janie, I saw a story about you in that 244 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: building where you were a super on the Lower East Side, 245 00:14:12,450 --> 00:14:16,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: that's where the baking kind of started, right? Tell that 246 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:22,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: story. What first made you see baking and this unique 247 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:26,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: type of baking that you do as a path for 248 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:29,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: you that's led you to the great place you're at now? 249 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:32,310 Janie Deegan: So yeah, I mean, good question. It was a couple 250 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:35,430 Janie Deegan: things. I could not connect with people at all. I 251 00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:38,190 Janie Deegan: just felt that I had nothing to offer to the 252 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:41,610 Janie Deegan: world. I felt that I couldn't look people in the 253 00:14:41,610 --> 00:14:44,970 Janie Deegan: eyes. I was so just overwhelmed with self- loathing and 254 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:49,050 Janie Deegan: shame, and food really connects people, right? And then the 255 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:52,800 Janie Deegan: other side was that I needed an artistic outlet, and 256 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,310 Janie Deegan: my life was so out of control and so unmanageable, 257 00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:59,370 Janie Deegan: but baking is such a precise... baking in particular over 258 00:14:59,370 --> 00:15:01,710 Janie Deegan: cooking is so precise and you have to follow the 259 00:15:01,710 --> 00:15:03,780 Janie Deegan: steps to get the result you want. So it was 260 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:07,530 Janie Deegan: this form of art and meditation for me and just 261 00:15:07,650 --> 00:15:11,040 Janie Deegan: really taught me about just follow- through. And I always 262 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,860 Janie Deegan: loved... I come from a family where we would eat 263 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:16,230 Janie Deegan: around the table every night when I was a child. 264 00:15:16,350 --> 00:15:19,035 Janie Deegan: I come from a family of cooks and a family 265 00:15:19,035 --> 00:15:22,859 Janie Deegan: of artists. And so I knew that if I was 266 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:25,740 Janie Deegan: going to stay sober, I needed to have joy and 267 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:28,440 Janie Deegan: a practice of meditation, which I couldn't sit down and 268 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:33,330 Janie Deegan: do in the traditional sense. And then I needed to connect 269 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:36,240 Janie Deegan: with people, and so I would bring baked goods everywhere I went. 270 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,340 Janie Deegan: I thought it was the only thing I had to contribute, 271 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:43,380 Janie Deegan: and it would... people's whole demeanors change when they eat 272 00:15:43,380 --> 00:15:46,740 Janie Deegan: good food, and it really does, it's the ultimate connector 273 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:53,490 Janie Deegan: worldwide, and just pure love. I could hide behind it 274 00:15:53,490 --> 00:15:58,560 Janie Deegan: and just be like, this is me, take me, and 275 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:04,680 Janie Deegan: people would take that and give me the validation that 276 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,830 Janie Deegan: I needed in a small way and give me kind 277 00:16:07,830 --> 00:16:10,109 Janie Deegan: words that I needed to hear but didn't know how 278 00:16:10,110 --> 00:16:12,300 Janie Deegan: to ask for. 279 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:16,380 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, it makes sense. If you don't want to look 280 00:16:16,380 --> 00:16:18,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: someone in the eye and you're not ready to do 281 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: that, you can be in a kitchen baking all day 282 00:16:21,930 --> 00:16:24,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: and never have to look anyone in the eye, right? 283 00:16:24,270 --> 00:16:29,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: You're working on your recipes, you're working with your materials, 284 00:16:29,130 --> 00:16:32,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: and then yeah, you've got something to give people and 285 00:16:32,250 --> 00:16:33,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: make them happy when you do step out into the 286 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:37,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: world, so it does make sense, it really does. What 287 00:16:37,710 --> 00:16:42,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: was the first step, Janie, towards this becoming a livelihood 288 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: for you, an actual way to make money and support 289 00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:45,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: your life? 290 00:16:46,020 --> 00:16:52,020 Janie Deegan: I mean, it was totally not by my own design. 291 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,830 Janie Deegan: I was about two years sober, and I had been 292 00:16:55,830 --> 00:16:59,040 Janie Deegan: working as a nanny, and I had no resume, right? 293 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,850 Janie Deegan: And the idea of I know 27's not old, and 294 00:17:02,850 --> 00:17:06,090 Janie Deegan: now I'm a decade older, and I'm like, that's so young. 295 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:09,930 Janie Deegan: But in New York City, it's really hard to enter 296 00:17:10,260 --> 00:17:16,890 Janie Deegan: the corporate non- service job world at 27. I was 297 00:17:16,890 --> 00:17:18,900 Janie Deegan: really good with kids, and people would say, " Oh, maybe 298 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:20,760 Janie Deegan: you should be a teacher." And I didn't want to 299 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,830 Janie Deegan: be a teacher. And that was sort of the only 300 00:17:22,830 --> 00:17:24,615 Janie Deegan: way the world was helping is telling me to be 301 00:17:24,615 --> 00:17:27,629 Janie Deegan: a teacher. And I reached this point in my life 302 00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:29,939 Janie Deegan: where I was like, okay, I'm two and a half 303 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:35,130 Janie Deegan: years sober. I know how to not drink. What's next? 304 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,660 Janie Deegan: And my baking was really, it was all the time 305 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:44,430 Janie Deegan: now. And I had built a community around me, and 306 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:48,840 Janie Deegan: a friend of mine sort of pulled me aside, or 307 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,899 Janie Deegan: actually what happened was two or three weeks before, I 308 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:54,240 Janie Deegan: just had this sort of nervous breakdown in front of 309 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,750 Janie Deegan: her. And I'm not a crier, and I'm not super 310 00:17:57,810 --> 00:18:00,000 Janie Deegan: outwardly emotional. And I was just like, I don't know what 311 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,699 Janie Deegan: I'm doing with my life. And I was starting to 312 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:05,850 Janie Deegan: feel depressed, which is I'm not a depressive person. And so 313 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:10,770 Janie Deegan: to be sober and depressed was really alarming to me. 314 00:18:11,310 --> 00:18:13,800 Janie Deegan: And about two or three weeks after that, she pulled 315 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,119 Janie Deegan: me aside, and I thought it was totally unrelated, but 316 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,840 Janie Deegan: she was like, " I'm having a huge party for my 317 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,669 Janie Deegan: 50th birthday, and I'd love for you to make a 318 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:29,369 Janie Deegan: cake." And I was like, " Oh, of course I'll make 319 00:18:29,369 --> 00:18:31,500 Janie Deegan: a cake." And she's like, " But I'd like to pay 320 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:36,180 Janie Deegan: you for a cake." And it was this what, someone 321 00:18:36,180 --> 00:18:40,020 Janie Deegan: wants to pay for this? Was the first time. And 322 00:18:40,020 --> 00:18:41,730 Janie Deegan: people had said to me in the past, " When are 323 00:18:41,730 --> 00:18:43,410 Janie Deegan: you going to open up bakery? When are you going 324 00:18:43,410 --> 00:18:46,020 Janie Deegan: to go to culinary school?" And I just was like, " 325 00:18:46,020 --> 00:18:48,959 Janie Deegan: Well, I can't afford culinary school. And I'm like an 326 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,149 Janie Deegan: addict who's a nanny and was a super until a 327 00:18:51,150 --> 00:18:55,139 Janie Deegan: year ago. I've never been in the business world." There 328 00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:57,810 Janie Deegan: were so many things that I didn't even imagine, I 329 00:18:57,810 --> 00:18:59,970 Janie Deegan: didn't even dream about opening a bakery because there were 330 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:03,630 Janie Deegan: so many things that were just in my mind impossible 331 00:19:03,630 --> 00:19:07,439 Janie Deegan: and in the way. But her putting sort of her 332 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,950 Janie Deegan: money where her mouth was, and just being like, I'm 333 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:14,250 Janie Deegan: willing to back you in this little way or there 334 00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:18,600 Janie Deegan: is a market for this was such a huge gesture 335 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,540 Janie Deegan: to me and such a... And I remember turning to my 336 00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:24,060 Janie Deegan: partner at the time next to me and being like... it was 337 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:27,630 Janie Deegan: right before Thanksgiving, her birthday, and I was like, " Is 338 00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:30,330 Janie Deegan: it totally crazy? I make really good pies. Is it 339 00:19:30,330 --> 00:19:35,130 Janie Deegan: totally crazy if I sell pies for Thanksgiving?" And gave 340 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:38,280 Janie Deegan: him all the reasons why it's crazy and thinking he'd 341 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,369 Janie Deegan: be like, " Yeah, that's crazy. Don't do that." And he 342 00:19:41,369 --> 00:19:43,320 Janie Deegan: was like, " No, I think it's a great idea." And 343 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,770 Janie Deegan: so I just started this little Facebook page, and word 344 00:19:46,770 --> 00:19:50,310 Janie Deegan: of mouth. And what was amazing was I probably sold 345 00:19:50,550 --> 00:19:54,240 Janie Deegan: four dozen pies that first Thanksgiving, and over half of 346 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,040 Janie Deegan: the pies I sold were to people I had never 347 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,859 Janie Deegan: met in my life. And I was just like, " Wow, 348 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:02,250 Janie Deegan: my community supports me, right? Word of mouth is so 349 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:05,430 Janie Deegan: powerful." And not only that, but it's people who have never 350 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:08,879 Janie Deegan: heard of me are willing to... they're excited for me, 351 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,850 Janie Deegan: right? There's a whole community of New Yorkers who's excited 352 00:20:11,850 --> 00:20:15,330 Janie Deegan: for the growth and the seeds of a small business 353 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:20,698 Janie Deegan: and an entrepreneur. And so it was just like, I get chills thinking about that. 354 00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:26,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: I get chills listening to that. It's pretty amazing. So you 355 00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:30,240 Rob Simmelkjaer: started with a cake and then pies, and for those 356 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,740 Rob Simmelkjaer: who don't know your cookies now, pie is still very 357 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:37,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: much a part of it. You have made this kind 358 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: of pie cookie essentially as that's your signature thing, right? And 359 00:20:41,730 --> 00:20:44,130 Rob Simmelkjaer: I had a chance to have some. Thank you so 360 00:20:44,130 --> 00:20:47,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: much for having some sent to me at the finish line 361 00:20:47,550 --> 00:20:49,859 Rob Simmelkjaer: of the New Balance Bronx 10 Miler the other day. 362 00:20:50,369 --> 00:20:52,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: Let me tell you right now, there's nothing better than 363 00:20:52,650 --> 00:20:55,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: running 10 miles, you get there, you drink some water, 364 00:20:55,770 --> 00:20:59,669 Rob Simmelkjaer: and then someone hands you a box of cookies. Nothing 365 00:20:59,670 --> 00:21:01,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: better than that. That was perfect, so thank you so much. 366 00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:03,900 Janie Deegan: You're like, I don't need the pretzels, no apple. 367 00:21:04,290 --> 00:21:05,100 Rob Simmelkjaer: No, no cookies. 368 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:05,340 Janie Deegan: I'm good. 369 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: It was perfect. And the cookies were amazing. There was one, I 370 00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:11,609 Rob Simmelkjaer: think it was a triple berry cookie, and so it's 371 00:21:11,609 --> 00:21:14,159 Rob Simmelkjaer: like a little mini pie cookie. How do you describe 372 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: your signature creation? 373 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:18,540 Janie Deegan: Yeah, so we call it a pie crust cookie. And 374 00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:22,140 Janie Deegan: I say it's like, I'm not a pie person, but 375 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:25,169 Janie Deegan: I love making pies. So I consider this the best 376 00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:27,720 Janie Deegan: bites of the pie. You push aside all the soggy, 377 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,970 Janie Deegan: overly sweet fruit filling, you get that salty flaky crust, 378 00:21:32,970 --> 00:21:36,420 Janie Deegan: and then we put it together with streusel, so it's 379 00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:38,550 Janie Deegan: just like I'm like, it's the perfect bite of a 380 00:21:38,550 --> 00:21:41,189 Janie Deegan: pie in this little hand- hold form. 381 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:44,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: It's so good, it really is. And by the way, 382 00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:47,580 Rob Simmelkjaer: don't sell yourself short on just your flat- out cookies 383 00:21:47,580 --> 00:21:52,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: because I am a chocolate chip cookie guy, the old 384 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: desert island question, what three things would you want? It's 385 00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:57,929 Rob Simmelkjaer: always a chocolate chip cookie is always going to be 386 00:21:57,930 --> 00:22:00,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: on my list of three things I want anywhere that 387 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:03,840 Rob Simmelkjaer: I'm stranded. But your chocolate chip cookie was fantastic as 388 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: well. So it's not just the pie crust cookies, there's 389 00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:07,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: a lot more where that came from. 390 00:22:07,888 --> 00:22:10,980 Janie Deegan: Thank you. That was a day old. Imagine what they're 391 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:12,510 Janie Deegan: like right out of the oven. 392 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: Ah, amazing, it was so good. 393 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:17,639 Janie Deegan: They're one of our bestsellers too. Thank you. 394 00:22:17,639 --> 00:22:21,540 Rob Simmelkjaer: So good, they're so good. And you now are up to, is it two 395 00:22:21,540 --> 00:22:24,180 Rob Simmelkjaer: or three locations? I know you passed over a million 396 00:22:24,180 --> 00:22:28,590 Rob Simmelkjaer: dollars in sales. So this business is humming for you. Congratulations. 397 00:22:28,859 --> 00:22:31,889 Janie Deegan: Yeah, it's wild, it's wild. I think about we're coming 398 00:22:31,890 --> 00:22:34,230 Janie Deegan: up on nine years since I started it from my 399 00:22:34,590 --> 00:22:38,130 Janie Deegan: home kitchen in Washington Heights, and now I have three 400 00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:42,960 Janie Deegan: brick and mortars all across Manhattan in different neighborhoods and 401 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:50,400 Janie Deegan: three commercial leases. It's totally wild to me. I mean, 402 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,800 Janie Deegan: it's just such evidence to me of what putting one foot 403 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,750 Janie Deegan: in front of the other and just keeping your head 404 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:57,210 Janie Deegan: down and being like, I will not quit no matter what, rain 405 00:22:57,210 --> 00:23:01,109 Janie Deegan: or shine, sales or no sales, this is my path. 406 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:03,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love what you just said about putting one foot 407 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:06,359 Rob Simmelkjaer: in front of the other because that was a beautiful 408 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: opening to a segue to actually talk about running on 409 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,650 Rob Simmelkjaer: this running podcast. I've just loved talking about your story. 410 00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:18,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: So you are training for your fourth TCS New York 411 00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:21,151 Rob Simmelkjaer: City Marathon this fall, which is incredible. 412 00:23:21,151 --> 00:23:21,152 Janie Deegan: I am. I am. 413 00:23:21,152 --> 00:23:24,990 Rob Simmelkjaer: Can you talk about...? Okay, so we've talked about this 414 00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:30,959 Rob Simmelkjaer: journey from addiction and homelessness to baking and entrepreneurship and 415 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: everything you are now, where did running enter the conversation 416 00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:35,340 Rob Simmelkjaer: for you? 417 00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:39,420 Janie Deegan: Oh, yeah, it's so cool to see how those two 418 00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:43,859 Janie Deegan: things just completely line up like puzzle pieces. Well, first 419 00:23:43,859 --> 00:23:46,709 Janie Deegan: off, I ran a little cross country and track. In 420 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:48,600 Janie Deegan: high school, I went to a New York City public 421 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:54,600 Janie Deegan: school and actually, our school's coach worked for Road Runners, 422 00:23:54,869 --> 00:23:57,480 Janie Deegan: and so that was sort of my first introduction back 423 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,600 Janie Deegan: when you guys had the little run house right on 424 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,270 Janie Deegan: the reservoir. And then I think there was a little 425 00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:05,369 Janie Deegan: run club on, I don't know, 90th between Fifth. 426 00:24:05,370 --> 00:24:09,869 Rob Simmelkjaer: East 89 Street. That's right between Fifth and Madison. Yes, 427 00:24:09,869 --> 00:24:13,260 Rob Simmelkjaer: that would be global headquarters of New York Road Runners for quite 428 00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:13,561 Rob Simmelkjaer: a long time. 429 00:24:13,561 --> 00:24:17,070 Janie Deegan: It's so funny because I have vivid memories of walking 430 00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:19,440 Janie Deegan: up the steps, pushing open, I think there were two 431 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,439 Janie Deegan: sets of doors and dropping our backpacks off or using 432 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,290 Janie Deegan: the bathroom. It was like, " Ah, let's wait to use 433 00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:28,890 Janie Deegan: the bathroom until we get back to the headquarters." So 434 00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:31,890 Janie Deegan: really fond memories there. And then he also pulled us 435 00:24:31,890 --> 00:24:34,919 Janie Deegan: in and got us jobs on the weekends working at 436 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,280 Janie Deegan: the kids' races. And I remember whatever money we were making, 437 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,330 Janie Deegan: it just seemed like an extraordinary amount of money. It's 438 00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:46,410 Janie Deegan: probably minimum wage now, but really good memories of Road 439 00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:52,920 Janie Deegan: Runners from my high school years. But obviously you're not 440 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,980 Janie Deegan: going to be running a lot when you're hung over 441 00:24:55,980 --> 00:25:01,200 Janie Deegan: and high, and so running didn't really come through with 442 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,570 Janie Deegan: me for my... And I don't think of myself as 443 00:25:03,570 --> 00:25:07,619 Janie Deegan: a natural- born athlete. Sports and athleticism don't come easily 444 00:25:07,619 --> 00:25:12,660 Janie Deegan: to me, and I was always last picked on teams. 445 00:25:12,660 --> 00:25:18,270 Janie Deegan: So it didn't occur to me that beyond high school 446 00:25:18,270 --> 00:25:22,530 Janie Deegan: running, there would be a path out there for me 447 00:25:22,530 --> 00:25:27,720 Janie Deegan: to continue. But when I got sober, I remember I 448 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,900 Janie Deegan: was smoking cigarettes at the time, I had clearly just 449 00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:34,530 Janie Deegan: destroyed my body for the past however many years. And 450 00:25:34,530 --> 00:25:36,840 Janie Deegan: I remember trying to run a little bit, and just 451 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,810 Janie Deegan: being like, this is so much harder than it was 452 00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:42,719 Janie Deegan: when I was 14. It was like I could do 453 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,390 Janie Deegan: a six- minute mile, no problem when I was 14, 454 00:25:45,390 --> 00:25:47,520 Janie Deegan: and now I'm doing, I'm like, what do you mean 455 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,680 Janie Deegan: a 13- minute mile? This is insane. What happened? And 456 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,320 Janie Deegan: I actually didn't put two and two together that it 457 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Janie Deegan: was lack of practice that was making it so hard. 458 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,929 Janie Deegan: I was just like, well, these are my abilities and 459 00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:07,920 Janie Deegan: they cannot change. And this is in stone, so why 460 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,159 Janie Deegan: bother? But okay, so around the two- year mark, two 461 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,050 Janie Deegan: and a half year mark of my sobriety, which we 462 00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:15,750 Janie Deegan: just talked about, I was in this pretty dark place, 463 00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:20,490 Janie Deegan: and two things happened. One, I was diagnosed with a 464 00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:26,369 Janie Deegan: pretty serious autoimmune disorder, and I had delayed seeking medical 465 00:26:26,369 --> 00:26:29,760 Janie Deegan: attention for about a year because I was so ashamed. 466 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,100 Janie Deegan: I thought it was something that I had created and 467 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:37,170 Janie Deegan: given myself through drinking and drug use. And so I was just so ashamed, 468 00:26:37,170 --> 00:26:40,470 Janie Deegan: and I ended up just being in so much pain 469 00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:42,750 Janie Deegan: and finally being brought down to my knees and seeking 470 00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:47,940 Janie Deegan: medical. It was like, oh, this autoimmune disorder that really 471 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:51,419 Janie Deegan: has nothing to do with alcoholism or addiction and isn't 472 00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:55,950 Janie Deegan: caused by that. And then at the same time, a 473 00:26:55,950 --> 00:26:58,890 Janie Deegan: friend of mine who I was nannying for her daughter, 474 00:27:00,210 --> 00:27:02,129 Janie Deegan: I saw her, she had just given birth, her daughter 475 00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:05,609 Janie Deegan: was, I don't know, three months, four months, or maybe 476 00:27:05,609 --> 00:27:07,440 Janie Deegan: a little later, it was probably a year after her 477 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,629 Janie Deegan: daughter was born, and I was nannying for her daughter, 478 00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:13,530 Janie Deegan: so I was seeing her every day, and she started running, 479 00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:15,240 Janie Deegan: and I remember I'd be out with her daughter in 480 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,760 Janie Deegan: the park and I'd see my friend running around us, 481 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,129 Janie Deegan: and I saw her over the course of a couple 482 00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:23,760 Janie Deegan: months going from not being able to run more than 483 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,180 Janie Deegan: a quarter mile at a time and doing quarter mile, 484 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:30,030 Janie Deegan: walking a quarter mile, running a quarter mile. I saw 485 00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:34,020 Janie Deegan: her go from that in a really physical way to being 486 00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:36,390 Janie Deegan: able to run a whole mile and then two miles, 487 00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:38,880 Janie Deegan: and then all of a sudden her sister lives at Atlanta, 488 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,350 Janie Deegan: they were training for the New York Half Marathon in 489 00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:47,970 Janie Deegan: March together. It's still the United Half, right? 490 00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:49,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: That's right, yep. 491 00:27:49,140 --> 00:27:51,689 Janie Deegan: Yeah, so they were training for the United Half together, 492 00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:54,960 Janie Deegan: and I was like, this is wild, right? And not 493 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,480 Janie Deegan: only did I see her physically change, but I saw 494 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,910 Janie Deegan: her spirits change and she had this light in her 495 00:27:59,910 --> 00:28:03,810 Janie Deegan: eyes, and I was like, oh, my God, if she 496 00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:05,910 Janie Deegan: can do that, she just had a child, if she 497 00:28:05,910 --> 00:28:09,150 Janie Deegan: can do that, maybe I can. And then another thing 498 00:28:09,150 --> 00:28:12,420 Janie Deegan: happened is that I heard that exact same time all 499 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,390 Janie Deegan: within a month or two, I heard this woman who 500 00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:18,209 Janie Deegan: probably had 20 years sober, and it was November and 501 00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:20,520 Janie Deegan: it was the day after the marathon, and I was 502 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,669 Janie Deegan: in a conversation listening to her with a bunch of 503 00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:26,250 Janie Deegan: other people, and I didn't know her very well. And she was 504 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:28,410 Janie Deegan: talking about how she had just run the New York City 505 00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:32,100 Janie Deegan: Marathon yesterday, and this woman has tried every drug in 506 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:36,060 Janie Deegan: the world. And she was like, " The New York City 507 00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:39,540 Janie Deegan: Marathon was the best high I've ever had in my 508 00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:44,310 Janie Deegan: life." And I'm tearing up a little thinking about it. And I was like, 509 00:28:44,370 --> 00:28:49,650 Janie Deegan: sign me up. These three things together were just this 510 00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:53,040 Janie Deegan: magic little open the door a little bit in my 511 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:59,670 Janie Deegan: mind. And a couple months later, it was time to 512 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:04,050 Janie Deegan: sign up for Road Runner's races, and it was probably 513 00:29:04,050 --> 00:29:08,370 Janie Deegan: January of two months later, and my friend who was 514 00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:12,120 Janie Deegan: training for the New York half was like, " Oh, why 515 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,510 Janie Deegan: don't we sign up? There's this women's race called the 516 00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:20,640 Janie Deegan: Mini 10K, and only women run it. And why don't 517 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,710 Janie Deegan: we sign up for that together? And that can sort 518 00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:27,480 Janie Deegan: of be your next goal is running 6.1 miles." And 519 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,040 Janie Deegan: so I signed up for that. And then thinking back, 520 00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:37,320 Janie Deegan: heard this woman speak and was like, there's this thing 521 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,090 Janie Deegan: called the 9+ 1, why stop at one race? Let's 522 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:46,530 Janie Deegan: do nine this year, like a true addict. And she 523 00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:49,710 Janie Deegan: was like, " That's crazy." And I was like, " Just do 524 00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:53,250 Janie Deegan: it. Just give in. You're running 13 miles, why can't 525 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:56,610 Janie Deegan: you run twice that in a year and a half? You have a year and 526 00:29:56,610 --> 00:29:59,190 Janie Deegan: a half to train and I have a year and 527 00:29:59,190 --> 00:30:02,580 Janie Deegan: a half to train." And so that's sort of what 528 00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:04,650 Janie Deegan: started it off. And it was just, so I think 529 00:30:04,650 --> 00:30:07,890 Janie Deegan: the Mini 10K I signed up for. It was when 530 00:30:07,890 --> 00:30:09,780 Janie Deegan: it was much easier to sign up for races. And 531 00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:15,420 Janie Deegan: so this is 2016, so I signed up for the Mini 10K 532 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:19,950 Janie Deegan: and was just like, I was like, there's no way 533 00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:21,660 Janie Deegan: I'm going to be able to run six miles, and 534 00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:24,030 Janie Deegan: that one foot in front of the other, it was 535 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:29,640 Janie Deegan: just such a miracle. And what was crazy was that 536 00:30:30,210 --> 00:30:35,850 Janie Deegan: for me, running is always synced up with huge personal 537 00:30:35,850 --> 00:30:38,580 Janie Deegan: growth, sprouts to personal growth. And that's sort of at 538 00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:43,410 Janie Deegan: the same time, 2015 I had started the business, but 539 00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:47,280 Janie Deegan: 2016 is when I really pushed forward. And same with 540 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,970 Janie Deegan: 2017, right before the marathon in 2017. So a year 541 00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:54,300 Janie Deegan: and a half later, I was able to go full- time with my 542 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,420 Janie Deegan: business and quit my day job. And then on top 543 00:30:57,420 --> 00:31:01,530 Janie Deegan: of that, my autoimmune disorder went into remission. And I 544 00:31:01,530 --> 00:31:04,290 Janie Deegan: remember a doctor being like, "Well, you're training for a marathon, 545 00:31:04,290 --> 00:31:07,290 Janie Deegan: right?" And I was like, " Yeah." He's like, " Exercise is 546 00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:11,490 Janie Deegan: the most powerful antiinflammatory. Isn't that interesting?" 547 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:18,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: Wow. It's amazing. And so you look back, you say 548 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: that they synced up, the running and the periods of 549 00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:25,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: running kind of synced up with these periods of personal 550 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: growth. And so were they synced up, do you think, 551 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,420 Rob Simmelkjaer: coincidentally? Do you see a connection? Do you think that 552 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: the more you ran, what did it do that perhaps 553 00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:42,300 Rob Simmelkjaer: allowed this personal growth to happen, allowed you to achieve 554 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:45,930 Rob Simmelkjaer: these milestones and build this business? What do you think 555 00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:46,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: the connection has been? 556 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:55,680 Janie Deegan: Because a lot about this, and I think that, so most people 557 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,210 Janie Deegan: in recovery have an active spiritual and/ or meditation practice. 558 00:32:00,210 --> 00:32:02,100 Janie Deegan: And I'm like, I can't sit still. I have terrible 559 00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:05,760 Janie Deegan: ADD. So one thing is that running is daily or 560 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,390 Janie Deegan: every other day daily meditation for me, and it clears 561 00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:13,770 Janie Deegan: my mind, and I'm just... My mind wanders, but then 562 00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:15,090 Janie Deegan: at the end of the day, it's like if you're 563 00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:19,920 Janie Deegan: running however long you're running, it's like you firmly have 564 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,620 Janie Deegan: to be there to be able to finish. And so 565 00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:25,710 Janie Deegan: I think that's one big thing is that mental health- 566 00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:32,220 Janie Deegan: wise, it just, nothing is better for me personally. And 567 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:40,470 Janie Deegan: then goal achieving, right? I am a procrastinator. I have 568 00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:47,550 Janie Deegan: really bad ADD. I have a big imagination, but running 569 00:32:47,550 --> 00:32:50,760 Janie Deegan: is just such a tangible way of goal setting and follow- 570 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,400 Janie Deegan: through. And I don't want to say it's easy, but 571 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,989 Janie Deegan: it's simple. It's like there's a prescribed plan that you 572 00:32:57,990 --> 00:33:01,170 Janie Deegan: can find or you can make, and it's like you 573 00:33:01,170 --> 00:33:04,500 Janie Deegan: do those things and treat your body right and stave 574 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,410 Janie Deegan: off injury, and you most likely will get a result 575 00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:11,400 Janie Deegan: close to what you want as long as you're like, 576 00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:15,900 Janie Deegan: I'm not aiming for an under four- hour marathon, but 577 00:33:16,140 --> 00:33:20,850 Janie Deegan: I'm just aiming to run 26 miles, 26.2. And so 578 00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:22,739 Janie Deegan: I think those two things. And I'm very, as an 579 00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:26,370 Janie Deegan: addict, I'm all or nothing. So if I'm sort of 580 00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:29,790 Janie Deegan: in this not doing anything kind of depressive state of 581 00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:32,430 Janie Deegan: sitting on my couch and being like, yeah, I guess 582 00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:35,820 Janie Deegan: I'll go to work, that doesn't do anything for me. 583 00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:40,080 Janie Deegan: It snowballs, right? It snowballs in a healthy way if 584 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,000 Janie Deegan: I'm doing a lot and it snowballs in a bad 585 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,470 Janie Deegan: way if I'm not doing anything. 586 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,070 Rob Simmelkjaer: I talk about the snowball effect, Janie, all the time. 587 00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:47,220 Janie Deegan: You do. 588 00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:50,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: People ask me about my running routine, and those who listen to 589 00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,490 Rob Simmelkjaer: this podcast or know me know that I'm all about 590 00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:57,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: running in the morning. And I talk about how getting 591 00:33:57,630 --> 00:34:00,720 Rob Simmelkjaer: a run in in the morning creates a little snowball 592 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,230 Rob Simmelkjaer: effect for my day where now I've got some positive 593 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:07,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: momentum and something good happened and I can build off 594 00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:09,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: of that for the next thing and the next thing 595 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:13,170 Rob Simmelkjaer: and the next thing. Whereas if I've been in periods 596 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: of my life where I wasn't feeling motivated, depressed, whatever 597 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: was going on, it would be the not getting up, 598 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,120 Rob Simmelkjaer: the not doing anything. The fact that I stayed in 599 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,520 Rob Simmelkjaer: bed that extra 45 minutes when I could have been 600 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,689 Rob Simmelkjaer: doing something that creates the negative snowball effect, and then 601 00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:33,570 Rob Simmelkjaer: that builds on itself too. So that's how I've talked 602 00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:33,960 Rob Simmelkjaer: about it. 603 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,840 Janie Deegan: That's it. I mean, teach me how to get up 604 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,480 Janie Deegan: in the morning and run because that's the one thing that 605 00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:41,940 Janie Deegan: now that I... I used to do it, but now that 606 00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:44,430 Janie Deegan: I own my own business and (inaudible) are pretty 607 00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:47,670 Janie Deegan: smooth. I was listening to one of your podcasts with Becs 608 00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:53,219 Janie Deegan: the other day, and I literally on Sunday spent five 609 00:34:53,219 --> 00:34:56,370 Janie Deegan: hours thinking about a long run, and then finally at 2: 610 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,609 Janie Deegan: 00 PM went on a 17 miler long run and was 611 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,600 Janie Deegan: just like I wasted the five or six hours previous 612 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,940 Janie Deegan: to that. But you're I'm sure waking up at what time, 6: 613 00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:07,770 Janie Deegan: 00 AM or 5:00 AM or 4: 00 AM or? 614 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,450 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, like 5: 30 typically, something like that. Yeah, hey, 615 00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:15,390 Rob Simmelkjaer: I will happily take you on a morning run if 616 00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:17,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: there are cookies waiting at the finish. I am down. 617 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,210 Janie Deegan: Yeah, I'll take you up on that. 618 00:35:20,969 --> 00:35:23,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. Okay, so I'm doing this thing I 619 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:25,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: do to our guests sometimes. I'm looking back at your 620 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:31,350 Rob Simmelkjaer: race results, and I'm looking at your first marathon, 2017. 621 00:35:32,070 --> 00:35:34,860 Rob Simmelkjaer: I want you to take me to that finish line. 622 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:39,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: You finished in 4 hours, 57 seconds, sorry, 4 hours, 623 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:44,339 Rob Simmelkjaer: 57 minutes, and 39 seconds. Amazing, under five hours. But 624 00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:45,989 Rob Simmelkjaer: I want you to take me there, forget about the 625 00:35:45,989 --> 00:35:50,549 Rob Simmelkjaer: time, and just take me to that finish line because given what 626 00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:54,299 Rob Simmelkjaer: you had been through, where you had come from to 627 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,030 Rob Simmelkjaer: get to the finish line of the TCS New York 628 00:35:57,030 --> 00:36:00,330 Rob Simmelkjaer: City Marathon, what was that moment like for you? 629 00:36:01,710 --> 00:36:06,750 Janie Deegan: I mean, it's so interesting because I thought in the 630 00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:09,509 Janie Deegan: year and a half basically that I trained from the 631 00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:11,820 Janie Deegan: time of signing up for the 9+ 1 and actually 632 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:16,830 Janie Deegan: running the marathon, I thought so much about what that 633 00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:23,250 Janie Deegan: would feel like, and plans are, they never actually happen 634 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:29,310 Janie Deegan: that way. I think that for me, and it's interesting, 635 00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:34,080 Janie Deegan: I'm a self- proclaimed sort of non- crier, but for me, 636 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,100 Janie Deegan: what's interesting is that every single New York Road Runners 637 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,250 Janie Deegan: race that I do, marathon or not, I always at 638 00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:44,430 Janie Deegan: the start line when I start running and just see 639 00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:47,219 Janie Deegan: the crowds and the people running and everybody's so happy, 640 00:36:47,219 --> 00:36:50,280 Janie Deegan: I get a little teary- eyed because for me, the 641 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,370 Janie Deegan: biggest part of running a race versus running on your 642 00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:56,100 Janie Deegan: own is just seeing we're all in it together and 643 00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,770 Janie Deegan: there's so many people trying to achieve the same things 644 00:36:58,770 --> 00:37:01,319 Janie Deegan: that I'm trying to achieve and have their own story 645 00:37:01,770 --> 00:37:06,960 Janie Deegan: that's probably so as powerful as mine. And so I 646 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,739 Janie Deegan: think that for me, what I thought was that I 647 00:37:10,739 --> 00:37:15,450 Janie Deegan: would feel a certain way when I crossed the finish 648 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:18,510 Janie Deegan: line, but the result was that it was five hours 649 00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:21,870 Janie Deegan: of feeling that way. And I think the biggest feelings 650 00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:24,210 Janie Deegan: I felt were on the Staten Island Ferry and on 651 00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:27,360 Janie Deegan: the bus and getting in the corrals, those were sort 652 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,960 Janie Deegan: of the biggest feelings I felt. And then the race, 653 00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:33,360 Janie Deegan: it was pretty hard for me. We thought we'd do 654 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,270 Janie Deegan: a quicker race just because our long runs we'd track 655 00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:41,250 Janie Deegan: quicker. It rained a lot of that day, and I 656 00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:45,390 Janie Deegan: ended up running the same friend that I spoke about 657 00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:50,040 Janie Deegan: earlier. We trained for the marathon together, but we also 658 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,210 Janie Deegan: ran it together. 659 00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:51,600 Rob Simmelkjaer: Beautiful. 660 00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:54,750 Janie Deegan: And so I would never change that for anything. It 661 00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:58,170 Janie Deegan: was the most beautiful experience running with her. At mile 662 00:37:58,170 --> 00:38:00,750 Janie Deegan: 23, I started cramping up and hit a wall, and 663 00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:03,420 Janie Deegan: I was like, " I can't finish.' And she was at 664 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:06,840 Janie Deegan: Central Park when you get off of Fifth Avenue punching 665 00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:11,850 Janie Deegan: my leg, and I remember at mile 25 being like, " 666 00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:14,070 Janie Deegan: I'm going to faint if I stop running." And she was like, " 667 00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:16,440 Janie Deegan: That's fine, just don't stop till you're at the finish 668 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,040 Janie Deegan: line." And so I think that to describe to your 669 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,890 Janie Deegan: original question, what was it like crossing that finish line? 670 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,770 Janie Deegan: It was... And I guess here's the other piece is 671 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:28,770 Janie Deegan: at mile 24- ish, I was like, " What hell did 672 00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:33,089 Janie Deegan: I get myself into? I will never do this again." And 673 00:38:33,090 --> 00:38:36,630 Janie Deegan: then I crossed the finish line, and it's a loss 674 00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:41,730 Janie Deegan: for words, just almost no emotion because it's just so 675 00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:45,960 Janie Deegan: overwhelming. And then we're walking out of... And that year 676 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,450 Janie Deegan: it took forever to get out of the park, and 677 00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:53,280 Janie Deegan: I just remember by the time we were out of 678 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,020 Janie Deegan: the park, I was like, " Oh, when am I going 679 00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:58,500 Janie Deegan: to do this again?" But it's just, I think the 680 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,560 Janie Deegan: best parts for me are just watching other people have 681 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,719 Janie Deegan: the same experience that you're having. 682 00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:08,010 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. I love it. It reminds me of 683 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,200 Rob Simmelkjaer: what I said last year, and I think I'll say 684 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,090 Rob Simmelkjaer: every year, at the starting line, I always say congratulations 685 00:39:15,090 --> 00:39:19,469 Rob Simmelkjaer: at the starting line because it's so hard to get 686 00:39:19,469 --> 00:39:23,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: to the starting line, and listening to you reminds me 687 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: of that, how you felt on the ferry, how you 688 00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:30,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: felt getting into the corrals, and what you must have 689 00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:34,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: felt is, wow, I got here, because I mean, it 690 00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:37,050 Rob Simmelkjaer: was really something for you to get there, forget about 691 00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:39,270 Rob Simmelkjaer: the finish line, to get to the starting line. 692 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,839 Janie Deegan: And that's what I've thought about every... That is so 693 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,130 Janie Deegan: astute. Every marathon since then, I've been like, I worked 694 00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:50,730 Janie Deegan: so hard to get to this point. The time, the 695 00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:55,620 Janie Deegan: race, the whatever, doesn't matter. Have a good time. And 696 00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:59,760 Janie Deegan: I ran my second marathon, I was really aiming for a 4:10, 4: 697 00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:04,110 Janie Deegan: 20 marathon, and I was in really good shape. I 698 00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:06,660 Janie Deegan: was coming out of COVID and just opening a business 699 00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:09,989 Janie Deegan: and a big breakup. I was on the path, and 700 00:40:09,989 --> 00:40:14,129 Janie Deegan: I ran almost a sub two half, and then my 701 00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:16,980 Janie Deegan: whole bottom started cramping up, and I ended up in 702 00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:20,670 Janie Deegan: the med tent for 40 minutes, and really walked a 703 00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:23,549 Janie Deegan: lot of the second part of the marathon and was 704 00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:25,950 Janie Deegan: in so much pain. And it was just such a 705 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,610 Janie Deegan: good reminder to me... And I actually ended up finishing a 706 00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:34,530 Janie Deegan: couple seconds, despite the med tent, despite the walking, finished 707 00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:37,710 Janie Deegan: a couple seconds quicker than the previous one. But it 708 00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:40,529 Janie Deegan: was such a good reminder to me that at least 709 00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:43,890 Janie Deegan: for me, because I am not a pro athlete, it's not about 710 00:40:44,310 --> 00:40:49,290 Janie Deegan: the time, it's about the why ruin my day that 711 00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:52,950 Janie Deegan: I've worked so hard for by setting these expectations. And 712 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:55,560 Janie Deegan: I know that sounds totally crazy because so many people 713 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,900 Janie Deegan: are like PR, PR, and a part of me is 714 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:02,790 Janie Deegan: I would love to someday run a sub four hour 715 00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:04,770 Janie Deegan: marathon, but I don't know if that'll happen for me, 716 00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:05,729 Janie Deegan: and I'll be okay with that. 717 00:41:05,729 --> 00:41:10,140 Rob Simmelkjaer: It is so not crazy. I am constantly thinking about that 718 00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:13,980 Rob Simmelkjaer: and trying to remind myself and other runners that that 719 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:17,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: it doesn't really matter. I mean, yes, it's great to 720 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:21,149 Rob Simmelkjaer: accomplish those goals, it does matter, but at the end 721 00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:26,040 Rob Simmelkjaer: of the day, don't let that goal, that PR insight, 722 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:29,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: even that Boston qualifying time, if that's what you're going 723 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:31,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: for, don't let it ruin your day if it doesn't 724 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,680 Rob Simmelkjaer: turn out that way because you're still there doing this 725 00:41:35,070 --> 00:41:38,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: incredible thing for yourself and you're having this experience. And 726 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,250 Rob Simmelkjaer: so this is a great reminder, and I know a lot 727 00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:44,279 Rob Simmelkjaer: of people out there listening are going to appreciate that 728 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: reminder from you Janie, it's great. So all right, so 729 00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:50,820 Rob Simmelkjaer: I have to ask you, first of all, how's the 730 00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:52,020 Rob Simmelkjaer: training going for this year? 731 00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:57,450 Janie Deegan: It's good. I mean, I'm getting married in a week and a half. 732 00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:59,009 Janie Deegan: We're in our busy season at work. 733 00:41:59,009 --> 00:41:59,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, my gosh, congratulations. 734 00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:04,350 Janie Deegan: Thank you. So again, it's like all or nothing. And 735 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:09,239 Janie Deegan: so it's pretty good. I actually downloaded, you guys have 736 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,900 Janie Deegan: the collaboration with Runna, the app, and so this year I 737 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,060 Janie Deegan: was like, I've done a Peloton training plan before, I've 738 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:17,100 Janie Deegan: done a Hal Higdon, is that how you say it, 739 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:20,340 Janie Deegan: Hal Higdon, training plan before. So I was like, okay, why not 740 00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:23,730 Janie Deegan: do this adaptive app training plan? And so I'm on 741 00:42:23,730 --> 00:42:27,900 Janie Deegan: that. It's pretty good. I'm just, again, last year when 742 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:29,969 Janie Deegan: I ran the marathon, I didn't train as much as 743 00:42:29,969 --> 00:42:33,299 Janie Deegan: I usually do, and I ran with my best friend 744 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,340 Janie Deegan: who had won the lottery, and we ran hand in 745 00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:37,890 Janie Deegan: hand, and it was like me going into it with 746 00:42:37,890 --> 00:42:41,009 Janie Deegan: less training, but a more positive attitude just like let's 747 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,790 Janie Deegan: let go of the results in a complete way. My 748 00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:48,210 Janie Deegan: time was, I don't know, probably 22 seconds, a minute less than the 749 00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:51,239 Janie Deegan: previous time. So I'm like, okay, that's proof to me 750 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,340 Janie Deegan: that it's more about attitude and willingness than it is to 751 00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:59,069 Janie Deegan: just be perfect on a training plan. 752 00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:03,451 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, you were almost 10 minutes faster. 753 00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:03,451 Janie Deegan: But I'm hitting my long runs. 754 00:43:03,451 --> 00:43:03,452 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. 755 00:43:03,452 --> 00:43:03,453 Janie Deegan: Yeah, it's crazy, yeah. 756 00:43:03,453 --> 00:43:07,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: Yeah, you're almost 10 minutes faster in '23 than in '21, 4: 48, so congrats, and yeah, 757 00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:10,530 Rob Simmelkjaer: keep that positive trend going. But again, it doesn't matter 758 00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:12,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: as we're talking about, you'll have a great day, hopefully 759 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,850 Rob Simmelkjaer: will have a great weather day for you. And so 760 00:43:14,850 --> 00:43:18,719 Rob Simmelkjaer: the last thing I want to ask you, Janie, is I know people 761 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,819 Rob Simmelkjaer: listen to this podcast who are going through really difficult 762 00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:26,550 Rob Simmelkjaer: things. I've had people walk up to me at finish 763 00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:30,779 Rob Simmelkjaer: lines and tell me what some conversation meant to them 764 00:43:31,830 --> 00:43:34,710 Rob Simmelkjaer: that we had on this podcast, whatever it was that 765 00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:39,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: they were going through, addiction. And we've got nonprofits that 766 00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: are part of our marathon who are specifically focused on 767 00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:47,219 Rob Simmelkjaer: people recovering from addiction or other personal challenges, divorce or 768 00:43:47,219 --> 00:43:50,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: joblessness or whatever. And so for someone like you who's 769 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:53,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: been there and now you're here, what do you tell 770 00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:56,370 Rob Simmelkjaer: them? What would you say to that person who's there 771 00:43:56,670 --> 00:43:59,430 Rob Simmelkjaer: now where you were once? 772 00:43:59,969 --> 00:44:03,150 Janie Deegan: Yeah. I mean, for me it always goes back to 773 00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:06,989 Janie Deegan: the classic saying is don't quit before the miracle, right? 774 00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,830 Janie Deegan: And for me it's always like, don't give up sight 775 00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:15,270 Janie Deegan: of hope just because, what's the line, this too shall 776 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:21,390 Janie Deegan: pass. Just because you're feeling this way now and just 777 00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:24,689 Janie Deegan: because you're in this dark space now doesn't mean that 778 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,540 Janie Deegan: it will always be that way if you don't want 779 00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:30,060 Janie Deegan: it to be that way. And that's what it is 780 00:44:30,060 --> 00:44:35,430 Janie Deegan: it's like anything, sobriety, marathon running, apply it to anything, 781 00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:37,440 Janie Deegan: it's not for people who need, it's for people who 782 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,280 Janie Deegan: want it, right? And so sobriety... I always say to people 783 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,050 Janie Deegan: who are like, " I could never run a marathon." I'm like, " 784 00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:45,510 Janie Deegan: You'd have to want to before. That's the first step. 785 00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:48,180 Janie Deegan: And that's the same with sobriety or any sort of 786 00:44:49,469 --> 00:44:57,029 Janie Deegan: mental health journey is that there is hope, but you 787 00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:01,680 Janie Deegan: have to actively seek it." And God, my life is 788 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,520 Janie Deegan: so beautiful, right? It is so beautiful. The way I 789 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,100 Janie Deegan: feel about myself at 11 and a half years sober, 790 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:12,630 Janie Deegan: having three marathons under my belt is a way that 791 00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:15,570 Janie Deegan: I could have never imagined that I'd feel about myself. 792 00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:19,140 Janie Deegan: If you had told me at age 24 or 25 that I would feel 793 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:24,660 Janie Deegan: this way about me, I would be like, that's impossible, that's impossible. You're 20 794 00:45:24,660 --> 00:45:28,049 Janie Deegan: pounds heavier than you want to be, all these things, 795 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,110 Janie Deegan: you don't own your apartment, all these things that I 796 00:45:31,110 --> 00:45:34,410 Janie Deegan: thought were the material things and the really things you can 797 00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:36,960 Janie Deegan: hold I thought were more important. And now I'm just 798 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,010 Janie Deegan: like the way I feel about myself on a day- to- 799 00:45:41,010 --> 00:45:42,870 Janie Deegan: day basis when I look in the mirror and when 800 00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:46,049 Janie Deegan: I'm interacting with loved ones, when I'm running is strong, 801 00:45:46,050 --> 00:45:50,580 Janie Deegan: powerful, confident, beautiful, and those are things that I achieve 802 00:45:50,580 --> 00:45:56,100 Janie Deegan: through getting and staying sober and running. So yeah, don't 803 00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:59,790 Janie Deegan: give up hope, if you're in the darkness, don't give 804 00:45:59,790 --> 00:46:03,000 Janie Deegan: up hope, and ask for help, right? And that goes 805 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,050 Janie Deegan: for everything, ask for help. I always tell people who 806 00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:12,450 Janie Deegan: are interviewing for jobs at Janie's, I think of asking 807 00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:16,650 Janie Deegan: for help as the biggest asset, the most beautiful quality 808 00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:19,680 Janie Deegan: and trait. Please ask for help. We want you to 809 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:20,279 Janie Deegan: ask for help. 810 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,460 Rob Simmelkjaer: And one of the things that we didn't touch on is 811 00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:27,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: the fact that you're hiring at Janie's is reflective of 812 00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:30,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: that. You are bringing people in to work for you 813 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,589 Rob Simmelkjaer: who have been through these things, addiction, homelessness, other problems, 814 00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:39,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: formerly incarcerated, people who really can have a hard time 815 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:44,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: finding work, you're bringing those people in, so you're reflecting 816 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,009 Rob Simmelkjaer: your journey in the people that you hire. What does 817 00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:51,480 Rob Simmelkjaer: that do for both the culture of your business and 818 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,089 Rob Simmelkjaer: also for you as someone who founded it? 819 00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,980 Janie Deegan: I think it's a couple things because we hire all 820 00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:01,170 Janie Deegan: of what you just mentioned, but we also hire people 821 00:47:01,170 --> 00:47:04,379 Janie Deegan: who are in mid- career changes or have never worked 822 00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:06,540 Janie Deegan: in a bakery, and there's a big barrier to entrance 823 00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:10,080 Janie Deegan: there. And so I think having this open door hiring policy, we 824 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,880 Janie Deegan: look just at attitude and willingness and positivity and can 825 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,210 Janie Deegan: you learn and work ethic, right? And so for me, 826 00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:21,690 Janie Deegan: that's 1 out of 10 times it backfires, but 9 827 00:47:21,690 --> 00:47:24,630 Janie Deegan: out of 10 times it's like we're breeding an atmosphere 828 00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:28,380 Janie Deegan: where people are just like, they feel safe, they feel 829 00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:34,620 Janie Deegan: understood. It's a pretty positive... I went into work yesterday 830 00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:37,800 Janie Deegan: to one of our locations, and the 20 minutes I 831 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,510 Janie Deegan: was there, it was so much laughter. And so I think 832 00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:47,760 Janie Deegan: about how when I got sober, and two years later 833 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,549 Janie Deegan: when I was looking for a job, having no work 834 00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:53,910 Janie Deegan: experience, I was the hardest worker you would ever meet. 835 00:47:54,090 --> 00:47:56,760 Janie Deegan: I was so dedicated and diligent, and the fact that 836 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,000 Janie Deegan: I had not a lot of job experience under my 837 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,870 Janie Deegan: belt besides service injury, street jobs, was not going to 838 00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:06,210 Janie Deegan: get in the way of me learning about what an 839 00:48:06,210 --> 00:48:09,719 Janie Deegan: LLC was or all of these things. And so if 840 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,500 Janie Deegan: I'm the hardest worker ever because I want opportunity and 841 00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:15,900 Janie Deegan: I want a chance, and please just give me a 842 00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:21,330 Janie Deegan: chance, why wouldn't millions of other people operate that way 843 00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:25,050 Janie Deegan: too as they're looking to make big life changes and 844 00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:26,700 Janie Deegan: bring positivity into their life? 845 00:48:27,450 --> 00:48:31,890 Rob Simmelkjaer: Beautiful. And yet another reason to buy your cookies because 846 00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:35,700 Rob Simmelkjaer: there's a great story and great people behind them who 847 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:38,160 Rob Simmelkjaer: are trying to make their lives better. So all right, 848 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: for those out there who want to check out your 849 00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:44,610 Rob Simmelkjaer: amazing cookies and creations, where do they go? You've got 850 00:48:44,610 --> 00:48:46,560 Rob Simmelkjaer: the locations and then also online, right? 851 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,830 Janie Deegan: Yeah, so you can check out our website, janiebakes. com, 852 00:48:49,830 --> 00:48:52,380 Janie Deegan: which lists all three locations. We have a location in 853 00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:55,200 Janie Deegan: East Harlem, Upper West Side, and West Village, and we 854 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,339 Janie Deegan: also ship nationally. So if you are not here in 855 00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:01,500 Janie Deegan: the city, you can still get cookies. 856 00:49:01,710 --> 00:49:05,190 Rob Simmelkjaer: I love it. Janie, it has been amazing talking to 857 00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:11,730 Rob Simmelkjaer: you. You are just a perfect example of what I think of when I think of what we 858 00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:16,920 Rob Simmelkjaer: call the transformative power of running. It's you. You tell 859 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: the story beautifully, both when it comes to running and 860 00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:24,630 Rob Simmelkjaer: everything else you've done in your life, so congratulations. Congratulations 861 00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:27,841 Rob Simmelkjaer: on your upcoming nuptials as well. Good luck with the wedding. 862 00:49:27,841 --> 00:49:28,710 Janie Deegan: Thank you, thank you. 863 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:29,611 Rob Simmelkjaer: And we can't wait to- 864 00:49:29,611 --> 00:49:29,612 Janie Deegan: And good luck with Berlin. Oh, my gosh. 865 00:49:29,611 --> 00:49:35,310 Rob Simmelkjaer: Oh, thank you, Janie, thank you so much. We can't wait to 866 00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:39,060 Rob Simmelkjaer: celebrate you as a newlywed at the starting line of TCS New 867 00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:39,510 Rob Simmelkjaer: York City Marathon. 868 00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:42,600 Janie Deegan: Yeah, yeah, yes, I'm so excited. 869 00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:45,810 Rob Simmelkjaer: Absolutely. Best of luck, and thank you so much. 870 00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:46,591 Janie Deegan: Thank you, Rob. 871 00:49:46,591 --> 00:50:03,150 Rob Simmelkjaer: Now it's time for this week's Meb Minute. Meb, take it away. 872 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,529 Meb Keflezighi: Week 11, practice race pace. During my training, I would 873 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,100 Meb Keflezighi: often run my target marathon pace to get accustomed to 874 00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:15,690 Meb Keflezighi: that. This practice is crucial and pacing strategy on race 875 00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:19,140 Meb Keflezighi: day, try to incorporate race pace runs on your training 876 00:50:19,469 --> 00:50:24,810 Meb Keflezighi: to build a confidence and familiarities. Pace is important, varies 877 00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:28,260 Meb Keflezighi: for everybody, but for me, I was pretty intense on 878 00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:31,230 Meb Keflezighi: my tempo runs, which it means race pace or faster 879 00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:34,980 Meb Keflezighi: intervals are a lot faster than race pace, but long runs 880 00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:39,210 Meb Keflezighi: are crucial as it helps you to be efficient, especially 881 00:50:39,210 --> 00:50:44,070 Meb Keflezighi: by midway. For example, I would do about 10 to 12 miles 882 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,399 Meb Keflezighi: at race pace, and long runs are slower than race 883 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,310 Meb Keflezighi: pace, but with accumulation of the rate faster than race 884 00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:53,040 Meb Keflezighi: pace and long runs, it will help you to be 885 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,529 Meb Keflezighi: a complete 26. 2 mile marathon runner. Competition versus your 886 00:50:58,530 --> 00:51:01,469 Meb Keflezighi: own pace. As an elite athlete, I was so focused 887 00:51:01,469 --> 00:51:06,570 Meb Keflezighi: on competition, I did practice tempos and intervals faster than 888 00:51:06,570 --> 00:51:09,840 Meb Keflezighi: race space, but it just helps you to be competitive. 889 00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:13,260 Meb Keflezighi: But as an everyday runner, you can run your own 890 00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:16,290 Meb Keflezighi: race. As elite athlete, we can't really do that because 891 00:51:16,290 --> 00:51:19,770 Meb Keflezighi: we have to respond to other competitors, but you can 892 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,650 Meb Keflezighi: always negative split the second half of the marathon. So 893 00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:25,109 Meb Keflezighi: be patient, be efficient, and have a great time. 894 00:51:25,710 --> 00:51:29,219 Rob Simmelkjaer: That does it for another inspiring episode of Set the 895 00:51:29,219 --> 00:51:32,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: Pace presented by Peloton. We want to thank our guest 896 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,660 Rob Simmelkjaer: today, Janie Deegan of Janie's Life Changing Baked Goods for 897 00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:40,110 Rob Simmelkjaer: a life- changing story and a great conversation. If you like 898 00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:43,410 Rob Simmelkjaer: this episode, please go ahead, subscribe, rate, leave a comment 899 00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:46,770 Rob Simmelkjaer: for the show on whatever platform you're listening on. I want 900 00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:49,950 Rob Simmelkjaer: to wish you all luck this week as your training continues. 901 00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:52,739 Rob Simmelkjaer: I want to wish everybody out there who's running Berlin 902 00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:54,750 Rob Simmelkjaer: luck as well. I know a lot of you out 903 00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:56,969 Rob Simmelkjaer: there are making the trip over to Germany. If you 904 00:51:56,969 --> 00:51:59,400 Rob Simmelkjaer: see me, please say hi. I wish you luck. Have 905 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,910 Rob Simmelkjaer: a great, great race wherever you are, great runs. Enjoy 906 00:52:02,910 --> 00:52:04,529 Rob Simmelkjaer: the miles. We'll see you next week.