1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,009 Speaker 1: I kind of just fell into my mom's arms, like 2 00:00:02,009 --> 00:00:03,930 Speaker 1: if I was a kid again, I was three years 3 00:00:03,930 --> 00:00:06,420 Speaker 1: old or something like that. It was crazy. I was 4 00:00:06,420 --> 00:00:13,410 Speaker 1: so tired and emotional. Honestly, it was one of the greatest days in 5 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: my life. 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,030 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody. And welcome to Set the Pace, the official 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,988 Speaker 2: podcast of New York Road Runners, presented by Peloton. I 8 00:00:21,989 --> 00:00:24,540 Speaker 2: am your host, Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of New York 9 00:00:24,540 --> 00:00:29,250 Speaker 2: Road Runners. And with me, Peloton instructor, Becs Gentry. And 10 00:00:29,340 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: Becs, happy week after Marathon. And I've got to go 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:40,830 Speaker 2: right to saying congratulations to all the runners. 59, 226 finishers- 12 00:00:41,130 --> 00:00:41,131 Speaker 3: Wow. 13 00:00:41,131 --> 00:00:43,350 Speaker 2: ... of this year's TCS New York City Marathon. 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: Unreal. The largest marathon ever, which means every single one 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:54,810 Speaker 3: of those 59,226 finishers are not only TCS New York finishers, but 16 00:00:54,810 --> 00:01:00,450 Speaker 3: they are world record breakers too. That is so awesome. 17 00:01:00,930 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: And Rob, the numbers within that huge number are also 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:12,900 Speaker 3: astounding, right? The countries, 132 countries, and all 50 states, 19 00:01:13,170 --> 00:01:16,050 Speaker 3: plus D. C., Puerto Rico, U. S. Virgin Islands, and 20 00:01:16,050 --> 00:01:23,700 Speaker 3: Guam. This was a massively international and national collaboration of 21 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:28,410 Speaker 3: humans coming together. So from half a New York Road Runner 22 00:01:28,530 --> 00:01:32,790 Speaker 3: here, to all of you, huge congratulations to New York Road Runners for 23 00:01:32,790 --> 00:01:33,900 Speaker 3: an epic weekend. 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,130 Speaker 2: Thank you, Becs. And the first thing I want to say is just 25 00:01:38,130 --> 00:01:41,729 Speaker 2: thank you to our incredible team at New York Road 26 00:01:41,730 --> 00:01:45,630 Speaker 2: Runners. Of course, we're happy to have the largest New 27 00:01:45,630 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: York City Marathon ever, the largest marathon in the world. 28 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,500 Speaker 2: That's all great, the numbers are great, but what's even 29 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: better is the quality. The quality, not just the quantity, 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,090 Speaker 2: and the quality of experience that our runners had on 31 00:02:00,090 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: Sunday. And I've seen it, I've heard it on social 32 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,580 Speaker 2: media, from text messages, from emails, the messages keep rolling 33 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 2: in from people about what an incredible experience it was 34 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: for them to be a part of this event. And 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: that only happens because of an unbelievable team that we 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,430 Speaker 2: have at New York Road Runners, who is focused on 37 00:02:20,490 --> 00:02:24,300 Speaker 2: every detail of executing this event, from the start, to 38 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: the course to the finish, from the expo, to Marathon 39 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,490 Speaker 2: Monday after the race. I mean, everything was tied up 40 00:02:32,490 --> 00:02:36,750 Speaker 2: so well. Almost everything went perfectly for us this weekend, 41 00:02:36,750 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: and I'm just so proud of our team for the 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,290 Speaker 2: effort that they put into making this an incredible experience. 43 00:02:43,889 --> 00:02:46,590 Speaker 2: I'm blown away by them every single year, and I think 44 00:02:46,590 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: this year more than ever, blown away at what we 45 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,989 Speaker 2: were able to deliver for people, and the life- changing 46 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:55,290 Speaker 2: experience that we were able to give so many people. 47 00:02:55,290 --> 00:02:58,710 Speaker 2: So I'm very proud of the team. Congratulations to all 48 00:02:58,710 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: of them. And it was just a special thing to 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,540 Speaker 2: be a part of. And Becs, one of the hardest things for me is, 50 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:07,139 Speaker 2: as CEO, I'm so busy on race day, I'm running 51 00:03:07,139 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: around, I'm pulled in a million different directions, you are 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,660 Speaker 2: very busy on race day too, obviously as part of 53 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: the broadcast, and I wish I could be everywhere. 54 00:03:15,450 --> 00:03:15,690 Speaker 3: Same. 55 00:03:15,690 --> 00:03:18,780 Speaker 2: I wish I could be at every moment, at every 56 00:03:18,780 --> 00:03:20,821 Speaker 2: single person crossing the finish line, at every- 57 00:03:20,821 --> 00:03:21,871 Speaker 3: Every cheer zone. 58 00:03:21,871 --> 00:03:24,570 Speaker 2: ... great cheering location on the course, everywhere. I want 59 00:03:24,570 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: to be in all the places, and I can only be 60 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,780 Speaker 2: in one. And so that always is hard for me, 61 00:03:30,780 --> 00:03:32,850 Speaker 2: but what I do is spend days, and I'm still 62 00:03:32,850 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: in the middle of it, just going through social media. 63 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: This is social media at its best, because it allows 64 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,230 Speaker 2: me to go back and see so many of these 65 00:03:40,230 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: great moments that happened over the course of the day. 66 00:03:42,210 --> 00:03:47,580 Speaker 3: Absolutely. It was an unreal day. And we got to 67 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:52,529 Speaker 3: see obviously some incredible professional athlete performances on the day. 68 00:03:52,530 --> 00:03:57,570 Speaker 3: We saw some of the most heartwarming performances of the 69 00:03:57,570 --> 00:04:04,530 Speaker 3: day. And final finishes were a huge highlight, as always. 70 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,540 Speaker 3: So everybody had an astounding day, but selfishly, I want 71 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:11,460 Speaker 3: to talk about the women's race, because I was lucky 72 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:13,110 Speaker 3: enough to have what I deemed to be the best 73 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:15,450 Speaker 3: seat in the house, which was on the professional women's 74 00:04:15,450 --> 00:04:20,700 Speaker 3: moto, right there with the elite women's field. And I 75 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:25,739 Speaker 3: got to watch just pure class in action all the 76 00:04:25,740 --> 00:04:30,060 Speaker 3: way through 26. 2 miles of these five boroughs. My 77 00:04:30,060 --> 00:04:32,700 Speaker 3: jaw was just constantly on the floor, from wondering whether 78 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:36,630 Speaker 3: Sifan was going to kick and come to the lead 79 00:04:36,630 --> 00:04:40,500 Speaker 3: of the pack, whether Sheila Chepkirui, who was last year's 80 00:04:40,500 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 3: champion, was going to hold it all the way to 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:48,150 Speaker 3: the finish and take another win. A wonderful Sharon Lokedi, 82 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:50,490 Speaker 3: who I love, and slightly biased, because I just think she 83 00:04:50,490 --> 00:04:53,310 Speaker 3: is just the most wonderful human on this planet, she 84 00:04:53,310 --> 00:04:56,430 Speaker 3: was there leading the way in Central Park, and then 85 00:04:58,110 --> 00:05:03,659 Speaker 3: that legend, that is the awesome Helen Obiri, I cannot 86 00:05:03,660 --> 00:05:05,820 Speaker 3: explain to you, unless you were some of those people 87 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:08,910 Speaker 3: right there in the moment on the sidelines, the kick 88 00:05:09,210 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: that she mustered up was... Literally, as you can hear, 89 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,610 Speaker 3: I can't put it into words, how as a runner, how 90 00:05:20,610 --> 00:05:24,089 Speaker 3: incredible it was to watch her do it. It looked 91 00:05:24,089 --> 00:05:27,089 Speaker 3: like she was fading in her energy, and out of 92 00:05:27,089 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: nowhere... She didn't take a gel. I was right there. 93 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:32,580 Speaker 3: She took nothing. She just dug so deep into her 94 00:05:32,910 --> 00:05:38,190 Speaker 3: intrinsic power, and she broke out of her stride, and took 95 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,940 Speaker 3: off from Sharon Lokedi, with about a mile to go, 96 00:05:41,940 --> 00:05:45,659 Speaker 3: which is gutsy at that point in a race, but especially in the 97 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:51,180 Speaker 3: TCS New York City Marathon. And she got that willpower 98 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:53,970 Speaker 3: and that determination to take her to that finish line and 99 00:05:53,970 --> 00:06:01,589 Speaker 3: break a 22- year- old course record. It was just 100 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:05,370 Speaker 3: wow. And I will add, Sharon also got a course 101 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:07,620 Speaker 3: record, to be fair. She also broke the course record, 102 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: but Helen, unreal. I mean, all the women, unreal. We'll 103 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,990 Speaker 3: go through all of the Americans who performed brilliantly that day 104 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: too, but congratulations to the women's winner there, Helen Obiri. 105 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,770 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredible. And if you go back and 106 00:06:22,770 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: listen to the interview I did with Helen a little 107 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,230 Speaker 2: later in the day on Marathon Day on a special 108 00:06:28,230 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: edition of Set the Pace, it's so interesting to hear 109 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,410 Speaker 2: her talk about the strategy that they had, Helen, Sharon, 110 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:38,370 Speaker 2: Sheila, they had a plan together to make sure that 111 00:06:38,370 --> 00:06:41,969 Speaker 2: Sifan Hassan was not around at the end of that 112 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:43,710 Speaker 2: race, because they knew it would be tough if she 113 00:06:43,710 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: was given her speed. They were able to get the 114 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,260 Speaker 2: pace to a point where she just wasn't able to 115 00:06:49,260 --> 00:06:52,289 Speaker 2: stay with them. And Sharon said to me at the 116 00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:54,420 Speaker 2: finish line that she felt she played a pretty big 117 00:06:54,450 --> 00:06:57,089 Speaker 2: role in Helen breaking that record. It really was a 118 00:06:57,089 --> 00:07:00,180 Speaker 2: team effort. So we were thrilled at Road Runners, because 119 00:07:00,180 --> 00:07:02,460 Speaker 2: we knew it was time for that course record to 120 00:07:02,460 --> 00:07:05,610 Speaker 2: go down. Given the weather, given the feel that we 121 00:07:05,610 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 2: had, we felt it was going to happen, and it 122 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,460 Speaker 2: did happen. So congratulations to Helen Obiri. Meanwhile, on the 123 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: men's side, an incredible story in that finish. The closest 124 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: in the history of the New York City Marathon Men's 125 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: Open Division, Benson Kipruto out kicking Alexander Mutiso at the 126 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,510 Speaker 2: tape, this went down to. I mean, it was incredible. 127 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 2: And I talked to Benson during the interview on Set 128 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,570 Speaker 2: the Pace as well, and I asked him, " Did you know 129 00:07:33,570 --> 00:07:36,630 Speaker 2: that Mutiso was gaining on you? Did you feel him 130 00:07:36,630 --> 00:07:38,820 Speaker 2: coming?" And he said he did, he knew he was 131 00:07:38,820 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: coming, but he knew that he had it, and we 132 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,580 Speaker 2: didn't all know for sure at the finish line he had 133 00:07:44,580 --> 00:07:49,260 Speaker 2: it, it was that close, but 0. 03 seconds. That was 134 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,410 Speaker 2: the closest finish in the history of the New York Marathon on the men's 135 00:07:52,410 --> 00:07:54,870 Speaker 2: side, Benson Kipruto. 136 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:55,261 Speaker 3: That's like track. That's track levels. 137 00:07:55,261 --> 00:07:55,501 Speaker 2: It was. It was like track. 138 00:07:55,530 --> 00:08:00,990 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like watching the Olympics, and you're seeing many athletes coming through 139 00:08:00,990 --> 00:08:04,050 Speaker 3: that tape, shoulder to shoulder, and it comes down literally 140 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:05,580 Speaker 3: to who's hair went first? 141 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:10,290 Speaker 2: Yeah. The second incredibly close finish at a marathon this 142 00:08:10,290 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: fall, of course, there was a finish like that at 143 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: the World Championships in Tokyo as well. So the racing 144 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,690 Speaker 2: was simply incredible. I think it was the best professional 145 00:08:18,690 --> 00:08:21,210 Speaker 2: racing that we've ever had at the TCS New York City 146 00:08:21,210 --> 00:08:24,390 Speaker 2: Marathon, so it was pretty amazing. On the wheelchair side, 147 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: Marcel Hug extended his record of Men's Wheelchair Division wins 148 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,750 Speaker 2: to seven. Unbelievable. I loved talking to him in that 149 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: Set the Pace episode, because we really talked about his 150 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,370 Speaker 2: challenges over the last year. He had some injuries. It 151 00:08:41,370 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: sounds like he also had some real mental challenges in 152 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: the last year to try to get himself motivated, and 153 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 2: being able to take one race at a time. He really 154 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: opened up about some of the struggles he had in 155 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: 2024 that got him to where he's been this year. 156 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,260 Speaker 2: So really got to know Marcel in a new way. 157 00:09:01,260 --> 00:09:05,580 Speaker 2: Congrats to him. And of course, Susannah Scaroni, she's just- 158 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:06,002 Speaker 3: (inaudible) . 159 00:09:06,002 --> 00:09:08,429 Speaker 2: ... really the absolute cream of the crop in the 160 00:09:08,429 --> 00:09:12,330 Speaker 2: Women's Wheelchair Division. Defended her women's wheelchair title here in 161 00:09:12,330 --> 00:09:16,770 Speaker 2: New York, her third in four years here in New 162 00:09:16,770 --> 00:09:20,490 Speaker 2: York as well. So Susannah continues to just absolutely dominate. 163 00:09:20,610 --> 00:09:24,750 Speaker 3: She really did. Amazing performances by all of the champions there. 164 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,570 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the four American women who placed in 165 00:09:27,570 --> 00:09:32,429 Speaker 3: the top 10. Again, watching Susanna Sullivan just lead the 166 00:09:32,429 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: way on the bridge at the start was epic. I 167 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,450 Speaker 3: have such a huge amount of love for Susanna. We've 168 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:43,860 Speaker 3: had her on the podcast before, and her whole ethos 169 00:09:43,950 --> 00:09:47,459 Speaker 3: of running and training is super cool. So I would 170 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:49,380 Speaker 3: check that out if you haven't, check out that episode. 171 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:54,420 Speaker 3: But the biggest breakthrough for me was watching Fiona O'Keeffe 172 00:09:54,570 --> 00:09:59,069 Speaker 3: just shine bright. She obviously was the 2024 US Olympic Marathon 173 00:09:59,070 --> 00:10:04,530 Speaker 3: Trials champion. She came in forth this weekend. She's come 174 00:10:04,530 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 3: back from some professional disappointments, some heartbreak in Paris last 175 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:15,150 Speaker 3: summer. And you could just see with every step how 176 00:10:15,150 --> 00:10:20,099 Speaker 3: strong she is, both mentally and physically. It looked like she 177 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: had a blast out there, and she ran an incredible 2:22: 178 00:10:24,660 --> 00:10:29,189 Speaker 3: 49, which is the fastest time ever by an American 179 00:10:29,190 --> 00:10:34,050 Speaker 3: woman at New York. So huge congrats to her. But 180 00:10:34,050 --> 00:10:39,540 Speaker 3: she was not trailed far behind by another legend and 181 00:10:39,540 --> 00:10:43,260 Speaker 3: teammate, Annie Frisbie, who came in fifth with a 2: 24: 182 00:10:43,290 --> 00:10:47,099 Speaker 3: 12. The awesome Emily Sisson, the American record holder, with 183 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:50,730 Speaker 3: a 2: 25:05. She came in eight. And then making 184 00:10:50,730 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: her marathon debut with another strong run, I mean, I 185 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 3: saw her surge up into the middle front of the 186 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,309 Speaker 3: pack a couple of times, testing herself out, but she 187 00:11:02,309 --> 00:11:04,050 Speaker 3: knocked it out of the park for her marathon debut, 188 00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:06,238 Speaker 3: Amanda Vestri. She came in ninth with a 2: 25: 189 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:10,860 Speaker 3: 40. So to all of them, and all of the other 190 00:11:10,860 --> 00:11:13,860 Speaker 3: American women who ran the whole race, and all of the 191 00:11:13,860 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 3: women full stop who ran the race, thank you for 192 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:21,810 Speaker 3: showing us how strong the whole female crew are. 193 00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:27,090 Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely. A great, great day on the women's side. On the 194 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 2: men's side for Americans, three American men finished in the 195 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: top 10. Joel Reichow finished six, 2: 09:56. Charles Hicks, 196 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:42,210 Speaker 2: seventh, 2: 09:49, and Joe Klecker, 10th at 2: 10: 37. 197 00:11:42,210 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: By the way, both Hicks and Klecker making their marathon 198 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: debuts, and finishing in the top 10. So pretty, pretty 199 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,670 Speaker 2: good for the guys as well. Congratulations to them. But 200 00:11:53,670 --> 00:11:57,030 Speaker 2: most of all, just congratulations to every single one of 201 00:11:57,030 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: that 59,226. And lastly, I want to say thank you 202 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:02,730 Speaker 2: New York- 203 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:02,821 Speaker 3: Yes. 204 00:12:02,821 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: ... because all the runners at the finish line just 205 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,370 Speaker 2: kept telling me over and over again how incredible the 206 00:12:11,370 --> 00:12:14,220 Speaker 2: crowds were this year. We're used to great crowds, but 207 00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:17,189 Speaker 2: people who'd run it many times told me that they 208 00:12:17,190 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: felt there was just something different about the crowds this 209 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: year. There was an energy, there was an excitement, there 210 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: was an atmosphere that they'd never seen before. And people 211 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: always ask me, " What makes New York special? The New 212 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,650 Speaker 2: York City Marathon special?" It's New York. It's New York 213 00:12:31,740 --> 00:12:35,100 Speaker 2: that does it, and once again, New York came, and 214 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:36,361 Speaker 2: they showed up, and they showed out- 215 00:12:36,361 --> 00:12:36,362 Speaker 3: Sure did. 216 00:12:36,362 --> 00:12:38,969 Speaker 2: ... and they showed what a great city this is, 217 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: and why we say it's the best day of the 218 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,650 Speaker 2: year in New York City. And once again, it really 219 00:12:43,650 --> 00:12:46,380 Speaker 2: delivered. So thank you everybody who came out and supported 220 00:12:46,380 --> 00:12:49,980 Speaker 2: these runners. Well, we've got a great show today, and 221 00:12:49,980 --> 00:12:52,980 Speaker 2: really one of the truly great stories of this year's 222 00:12:52,980 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: TCS New York City Marathon was the star of Hamilton, 223 00:12:57,390 --> 00:12:59,580 Speaker 2: as well as A House of Dynamite, and In the 224 00:12:59,580 --> 00:13:03,630 Speaker 2: Heights, Anthony Ramos. Anthony ran the TCS New York City 225 00:13:03,630 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: Marathon this past Sunday with a very special mentor and 226 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: a famous marathon champion at his side, and Anthony's experience 227 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,730 Speaker 2: was amazing. If you haven't seen it, go follow him 228 00:13:14,730 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: on Instagram, check out his finish line video. His mom, 229 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,970 Speaker 2: his sister were there. His mom gave him the medal, 230 00:13:20,970 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: and you could just see the emotions that were flowing 231 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,330 Speaker 2: from him. A native New Yorker, ran through a lot 232 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:29,460 Speaker 2: of the neighborhoods he grew up in. This is really 233 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:32,550 Speaker 2: what it's all about. His first ever marathon. Anthony and 234 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: his mentor will join us to talk about an incredible 235 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: day that he had on Sunday. Then a little later 236 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,690 Speaker 2: in our Member Moment, Sandra Garcia, she joined Anthony in 237 00:13:42,690 --> 00:13:47,250 Speaker 2: the first marathon club this past Sunday, but her connection 238 00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:49,530 Speaker 2: to New York Road Runners goes way back, all the 239 00:13:49,530 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: way back to 1998, and the launch of the New 240 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: York Road Runners Foundation, which today we refer to as 241 00:13:55,230 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: New York Road Runners Community Impact Programs. Sandra's here to 242 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,250 Speaker 2: share that story, including a pretty amazing pen pal experience 243 00:14:02,490 --> 00:14:04,950 Speaker 2: later in the show. And then finally, in today's Meb 244 00:14:04,950 --> 00:14:07,650 Speaker 2: Minute, Meb's got some advice on how to choose your 245 00:14:07,650 --> 00:14:10,860 Speaker 2: next race, if you're already ready to think about your 246 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:12,750 Speaker 2: next race. It's okay if you don't want to think 247 00:14:12,750 --> 00:14:12,991 Speaker 2: about that, you've just got to- 248 00:14:12,991 --> 00:14:12,992 Speaker 3: I agree. 249 00:14:12,992 --> 00:14:12,993 Speaker 2: ... relax, right? 250 00:14:12,993 --> 00:14:12,994 Speaker 3: Yeah. 251 00:14:12,994 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: Savor it. 252 00:14:15,929 --> 00:14:17,610 Speaker 3: Savor it. Yes, I like that, Rob. 253 00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: That's fine. But we get it, a lot of people 254 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: do get that post- marathon blues. We understand that. And a lot 255 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,020 Speaker 2: of them immediately start trying to think of their next 256 00:14:28,020 --> 00:14:30,570 Speaker 2: race. So Meb will give you some advice on how to choose 257 00:14:30,570 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: that next race, and his advice might surprise you, so 258 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:34,530 Speaker 2: stay tuned for that. 259 00:14:35,940 --> 00:14:38,430 Speaker 3: Shake Shack is proud to be the official burger of the 260 00:14:38,430 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: TCS New York City Marathon, and they're happy to announce 261 00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: their biggest burger yet, The Big Shack. Two 100% Angus 262 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: beef patties, three buns, and new secret sauce. It's stacked, 263 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:56,970 Speaker 3: balanced, and built the right way, with 56 grams of 264 00:14:56,970 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 3: protein. Get it today at Shake Shack. 265 00:15:01,710 --> 00:15:05,130 Speaker 2: Anthony Ramos is best known for his breakout role on 266 00:15:05,130 --> 00:15:08,790 Speaker 2: Broadway in Hamilton, and his starring turn in In the 267 00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:11,550 Speaker 2: Heights on the big screen. But this year, the Brooklyn 268 00:15:11,550 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: native took on a whole new challenge, training for his 269 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,515 Speaker 2: first ever running race at all, it was the 2025 TCS 270 00:15:19,515 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: New York City Marathon. And it wasn't just his first 271 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,660 Speaker 2: marathon, as I said, he'd never run in any race 272 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:28,020 Speaker 2: before. Luckily, he did not do it alone. Running beside 273 00:15:28,020 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: him was Jason Jacobs, his former high school guidance counselor, 274 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,050 Speaker 2: and one of the first people to encourage Anthony to 275 00:15:34,050 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: pursue a career in the arts, along with a very 276 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:42,570 Speaker 2: special pacer, Olympian, and Boston Marathon champion, Des Linden. What 277 00:15:42,570 --> 00:15:45,180 Speaker 2: a pacer that is to have. Anthony joins us, along 278 00:15:45,180 --> 00:15:48,690 Speaker 2: with Jason today. Jason, by the way, no stranger to 279 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:52,140 Speaker 2: the marathon course. He's an accomplished runner who overcame series 280 00:15:52,140 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: health challenges to complete the 2024 Tokyo Marathon. And yesterday, 281 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,030 Speaker 2: he added another medal to his collection here in New 282 00:16:00,030 --> 00:16:02,610 Speaker 2: York. Welcome, Anthony. Welcome, Jason. 283 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:03,961 Speaker 1: What's up, what's up? 284 00:16:03,961 --> 00:16:04,261 Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 285 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,290 Speaker 2: Congratulations on the big finish. 286 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:08,940 Speaker 1: What's good? 287 00:16:10,020 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: Thank you. 288 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:10,201 Speaker 1: Yeah, man. Crazy. 289 00:16:10,201 --> 00:16:10,202 Speaker 4: Thank you. 290 00:16:10,202 --> 00:16:10,203 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. 291 00:16:10,203 --> 00:16:10,204 Speaker 3: Congrats. What a day. 292 00:16:10,204 --> 00:16:10,263 Speaker 4: What a day. 293 00:16:13,470 --> 00:16:16,260 Speaker 3: What a day. We have so much to talk about 294 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:19,770 Speaker 3: here. So much to unpack. Not just from Sunday, but 295 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: the lead up to Sunday, and everything that got you 296 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,340 Speaker 3: both to that finish line. But let's talk about the 297 00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: finish line, because it was magnificent. You all crossed the 298 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:37,950 Speaker 3: line together, which Jason said was intentional and planned. How 299 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:43,170 Speaker 3: did it feel to see 4: 44:31, Anthony, with Jason, 300 00:16:43,170 --> 00:16:45,900 Speaker 3: Des, and your team by your side? What was going 301 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: through your mind? 302 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:52,740 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just grateful to finish, to be 303 00:16:52,740 --> 00:16:57,869 Speaker 1: honest. I hit mile 20, and I just hit a 304 00:16:57,870 --> 00:17:04,650 Speaker 1: wall, and it just felt so good to finish. And 305 00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:11,609 Speaker 1: to Des, and Garrett Heath, they were by my side 306 00:17:11,609 --> 00:17:16,230 Speaker 1: the entire time. My agent, Jordan Solomon, Jay was running 307 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: up ahead, he was leading us, and it was just... 308 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:22,830 Speaker 1: Just all of us being able to stay together that 309 00:17:22,830 --> 00:17:27,210 Speaker 1: whole time, and being able to finish together. Us finishing 310 00:17:27,210 --> 00:17:31,590 Speaker 1: together, I think made it even sweeter. My mom just 311 00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:35,459 Speaker 1: giving me that medal at the end. My mom and 312 00:17:35,460 --> 00:17:38,250 Speaker 1: my sister being at the finish line, and getting to hug 313 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:44,609 Speaker 1: them. I kind of just fell into my mom's arms 314 00:17:44,609 --> 00:17:46,950 Speaker 1: like if I was a kid again, I was three years old or 315 00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:50,010 Speaker 1: something like that. It was crazy. I was so tired 316 00:17:50,010 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: and emotional. Honestly, it was one of the greatest days in 317 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,510 Speaker 1: my life. I really don't even say that. I kept 318 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,710 Speaker 1: saying that. I've been texting friends, explaining to them what 319 00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:06,810 Speaker 1: that day was like, and I'm like, "It was probably one of 320 00:18:06,810 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: the best days in my whole life." 321 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's- 322 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: Excited to do another one. 323 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: Did I hear that just now? You're excited to do 324 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:14,430 Speaker 2: another one? 325 00:18:14,430 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 326 00:18:14,970 --> 00:18:16,020 Speaker 2: Is that an announcement? 327 00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 100%. 100%. 328 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:18,388 Speaker 2: All right. 329 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: He's got the bug. 330 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:20,580 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 331 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:20,580 Speaker 1: He's got the bug. 332 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:22,649 Speaker 2: No one and done here. I love it. 333 00:18:22,980 --> 00:18:23,369 Speaker 1: Nah. 334 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:27,869 Speaker 2: Jason, from your perspective as an experienced runner, you've run 335 00:18:27,869 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: this distance before, how do you think Anthony did? What 336 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,390 Speaker 2: was it like running alongside him? 337 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,859 Speaker 4: He did fantastic for his first marathon, very proud of 338 00:18:37,859 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: him. He learned, this is not for the faint of 339 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,990 Speaker 4: heart, but he finished, and that's all that matters. And 340 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:49,859 Speaker 4: he never stopped, he kept moving even when there were periods 341 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 4: where he walked, and I was grateful. But yeah, he 342 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: kept putting one foot in front of the other, and 343 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,660 Speaker 4: kept moving throughout. We found those hard spots, like that 344 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:09,629 Speaker 4: Fifth Avenue... That slow ascent on Fifth Avenue is killer 345 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,220 Speaker 4: for everybody, even the pros, even myself. So it was 346 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:18,690 Speaker 4: good to walk a little bit. But yeah, he did 347 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:22,530 Speaker 4: great. He did fantastic. I think it's miraculous that we 348 00:19:22,530 --> 00:19:25,830 Speaker 4: came in on 4: 44 with... I don't know if 349 00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 4: you know the implications of what 444 means, that there were angels 350 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 4: around us, that reassurance and guidance was leading us, that we're on 351 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 4: the right path, and I think that's just a literal divine 352 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,429 Speaker 4: intervention to show us, " Yeah, we're doing the right thing." We're- 353 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:41,431 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to talk about that too. 354 00:19:41,431 --> 00:19:46,650 Speaker 4: ... where we supposed to be. We were where we were supposed to be, exactly at 355 00:19:46,650 --> 00:19:48,869 Speaker 4: the time we were supposed to be there. And Des 356 00:19:49,020 --> 00:19:54,510 Speaker 4: did 4: 44:29, I was 4: 44:30, he was 4:44: 31. 357 00:19:54,510 --> 00:19:58,980 Speaker 4: It was amazing. And then I'm sure Heath and Solomon were right in the 4: 358 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,820 Speaker 4: 44 as well. We were all in a line, we 359 00:20:03,030 --> 00:20:04,859 Speaker 4: tried to all put our hands up at the same 360 00:20:04,859 --> 00:20:05,970 Speaker 4: time coming through the finish line. 361 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:07,230 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. 362 00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:09,090 Speaker 4: Amazing photo finish. 363 00:20:09,090 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 3: It was. 364 00:20:09,629 --> 00:20:13,350 Speaker 4: Not as good as the first two guys, but... Well, 365 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 4: I'll personally- 366 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:14,671 Speaker 3: Well, We'll talk about that- 367 00:20:14,671 --> 00:20:14,791 Speaker 4: We'll take it. 368 00:20:16,290 --> 00:20:19,410 Speaker 3: Yeah. Anthony, how does that make you feel, just hearing 369 00:20:19,410 --> 00:20:22,530 Speaker 3: that... Jason's someone so important to you, saying that it 370 00:20:22,530 --> 00:20:24,510 Speaker 3: was divine, it was meant to be? 371 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,609 Speaker 1: No, it means a lot, man. Jay's been trying to 372 00:20:29,670 --> 00:20:32,250 Speaker 1: get me to do this for years with him, and 373 00:20:32,250 --> 00:20:37,410 Speaker 1: I've been like, " Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not yet, we're going to do it. I'll 374 00:20:37,410 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: let you know." My birthday was November 1st, so it 375 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,820 Speaker 1: was the night before the marathon, so I didn't go 376 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:53,070 Speaker 1: out or anything, I went to bed pretty early, and I 377 00:20:53,670 --> 00:20:57,450 Speaker 1: had a brunch with some friends, and we just had 378 00:20:57,450 --> 00:21:01,350 Speaker 1: a little lunch at a spot I like in Queens. 379 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,889 Speaker 1: I just kind of came home and rested, and I 380 00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: went to bed. I think about my 33rd year, it's 381 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: probably the healthiest I've been ever in my life. I 382 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: don't know, something kind of switched in me, and I 383 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: really started to prioritize my health, and my sleep, and 384 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:40,379 Speaker 1: my... My fitness. I've always been a person that... I 385 00:21:41,670 --> 00:21:43,379 Speaker 1: try to stay in shape all the time, but it 386 00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:46,830 Speaker 1: was just something different about this year, and I just 387 00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:53,220 Speaker 1: feel like... Anyway, to speak to Jason's point, the divine 388 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:57,030 Speaker 1: intervention, this has been a really challenging year, and it's 389 00:21:57,030 --> 00:22:01,410 Speaker 1: been challenging in the most beautiful ways. And I've had 390 00:22:01,410 --> 00:22:05,340 Speaker 1: to make some hard decisions in this year that... Decisions 391 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: that were tough, just life stuff. And I've had to 392 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,980 Speaker 1: trust in a way that I don't think I've had 393 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: to trust in the past, or maybe have been parallel 394 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:21,060 Speaker 1: to certain moments in my life, but... Uncomfortable, rather. But 395 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:24,629 Speaker 1: this year, was this... I had moments like, " Wow, God. 396 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,449 Speaker 1: Dang, what's..." Even this marathon, I'm like, " Yo, can I 397 00:22:27,450 --> 00:22:30,660 Speaker 1: finish this? Can I even do this?" And just along 398 00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:34,500 Speaker 1: the way, seeing... I was explaining this yesterday at dinner 399 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:39,210 Speaker 1: with some friends, I said, " Yo, finishing at 4: 44, 400 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:41,070 Speaker 1: and then reading up..." One of my friends is like, " 401 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,770 Speaker 1: I've got to tell you about what 444 means." I was like, " 402 00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:46,770 Speaker 1: What are you..." " That's an angel number. It means you've 403 00:22:46,770 --> 00:22:50,790 Speaker 1: got the angels around you, and that you're protected, and it's 404 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: just to stay on the right path, and to follow 405 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,869 Speaker 1: your instincts." And I was like, " Wow." That hit me 406 00:22:57,869 --> 00:23:01,109 Speaker 1: really hard. But the race was like a microcosm of 407 00:23:01,109 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: my life. At mile eight, I see my dog, and 408 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: my best friend, Ron, and his girlfriend. Mile 11, I 409 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,030 Speaker 1: see another friend. Then 15, I see a teacher from 410 00:23:12,030 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: College. Mile 22, there's the whole... I want to pass 411 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,770 Speaker 1: out, and then I see a cardboard cut- out of 412 00:23:19,770 --> 00:23:23,609 Speaker 1: my head, and then I see a whole cheering section 413 00:23:23,609 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: with all my best friends, my family, the closest people 414 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,369 Speaker 1: to me all lined up, and just all the angels 415 00:23:36,930 --> 00:23:39,690 Speaker 1: that are getting me through this race, but have also 416 00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: helped me get through my life. And I'm seeing them, 417 00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like... And then I'm also running with Jason, 418 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,690 Speaker 1: who raised me. This guy basically raised me, was like 419 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:54,510 Speaker 1: a dad to me. He's running in front of me. 420 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:58,770 Speaker 1: I'm following him the whole time. Next to me on 421 00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:02,910 Speaker 1: my... Des, Garrett to the side of me. Angels, Jordan, 422 00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:08,369 Speaker 1: who got me hooked up with Brooks, who... This Brook 423 00:24:08,369 --> 00:24:11,550 Speaker 1: partnership has been probably the... I mean, I love every 424 00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: partnership I've done, but this has definitely been the most meaningful partnership 425 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,450 Speaker 1: I've had with anybody in my life, because of what 426 00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:20,790 Speaker 1: it has signified, and what it has done for me 427 00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:24,630 Speaker 1: this year, and leading up to this moment, to completing 428 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:29,790 Speaker 1: this. And just all these angels with me, and then 429 00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:32,700 Speaker 1: to finish, and then the angel of them all, my 430 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:38,010 Speaker 1: mom giving me the medal, my sister there, them just 431 00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:42,300 Speaker 1: being there at the end being like, " Yo, you made 432 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: it." It's crazy, yo. It's bugged out. 433 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,020 Speaker 4: Wow. 434 00:24:47,550 --> 00:24:47,551 Speaker 3: You're going to get me crying over here. 435 00:24:47,551 --> 00:24:50,002 Speaker 1: See, look, I'm trying (inaudible) . 436 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:54,002 Speaker 3: (inaudible) . 437 00:24:54,002 --> 00:24:54,003 Speaker 2: Jason is tearing up. We're all tearing. 438 00:24:54,003 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 3: Jason's tearing up. I'm tearing up. But it's incredible because 444 is 439 00:24:58,170 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 3: said to be everything you said, but it's also said 440 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,139 Speaker 3: to be progress in decision- making. And it's so strange 441 00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:06,300 Speaker 3: that you talked about all those hard decisions that you've 442 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:07,770 Speaker 3: had to make this year. 443 00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:08,011 Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot. A lot. 444 00:25:08,011 --> 00:25:11,820 Speaker 3: A lot of decisions, and we're not going to pry into 445 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: those, they're your personal decisions. But the only one I want 446 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,300 Speaker 3: to know about though is the initial decision to take 447 00:25:18,510 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: Jason up on his offer to run this race, and 448 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,750 Speaker 3: what was the progress that made you say yes this 449 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:29,550 Speaker 3: time, that you're going to actually do it? 450 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,510 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even going to lie, just kind 451 00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: of woke up one morning, and I was like... I've 452 00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:41,070 Speaker 1: got to find the text. Because the first text I 453 00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:43,409 Speaker 1: sent was to my manager, I was like, " Yo, how do 454 00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:44,940 Speaker 1: I get into a... I don't know how to get 455 00:25:44,940 --> 00:25:47,460 Speaker 1: into a marathon. I don't know how to do that." 456 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: I probably should have texted Jay first, but I texted 457 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,050 Speaker 1: my manager, I was like, " Jill, how do we do this? 458 00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: How do we get into a marathon?" She figured it out. 459 00:25:57,630 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: She got in touch, I think with you, maybe Rob, or 460 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,810 Speaker 1: somebody over there. And thank God I was able... You 461 00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:11,190 Speaker 1: guys helped me out, and it was just like... It 462 00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:13,949 Speaker 1: became real really fast. It was crazy. It was like, "All right, you're 463 00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:22,020 Speaker 1: doing this." And then the Brooks partnership came a month 464 00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: or two after that. I didn't join the race particularly 465 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: to partner with anyone. I was just doing it just 466 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,710 Speaker 1: for me. It was a life goal I've been wanting 467 00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: to do for years, like, " Oh, I want to go 468 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,140 Speaker 1: to Greece." Or whatever country. You have a goal, like, " 469 00:26:37,140 --> 00:26:38,850 Speaker 1: I want to learn how to scuba dive. I want 470 00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:43,410 Speaker 1: to finish a marathon. I want one under my belt." 471 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,430 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank God. I woke up that day, and then it was like, 472 00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: boom, it started happening real fast. And then Brooks was like, " 473 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,859 Speaker 1: Hey, we want to partner with him." I'm grateful, and 474 00:26:58,859 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: I was surprised, and I was excited. And they've just 475 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: been the best supporters. The coaches, the gear, everything, just 476 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,540 Speaker 1: really getting me as prepared as possible while I've been... 477 00:27:15,869 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about... The training was crazy. I 478 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: was traveling. I was in different countries, different states. I 479 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: flew to Venice for two days. I did a midnight 480 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,010 Speaker 1: run when I got there. 481 00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:30,150 Speaker 2: Wow. 482 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: I looked at my Strava, I did a midnight... I 483 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,820 Speaker 1: got to Venice, we did a cast dinner for the 484 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: movie House of Dynamite that's out right now on Netflix. 485 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:39,510 Speaker 3: It's great. 486 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:40,530 Speaker 1: Everybody go see it. 487 00:27:40,530 --> 00:27:40,771 Speaker 3: It's great. 488 00:27:40,771 --> 00:27:47,550 Speaker 1: It's a wild ride. But we get to Venice, we 489 00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: do the cast dinner that night. I get back to 490 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,730 Speaker 1: the hotel, and I'm trying to... I'm chilling with my brother in the 491 00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: hotel room, I'm just like, " Dang, bro, I've got to go on this run right 492 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: now." And my brother starts snoring and falls asleep, and 493 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, " Dang, I really want to go to sleep 494 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,389 Speaker 1: right now." I put my running stuff on, and I 495 00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:08,490 Speaker 1: just went out. Went out for a midnight run, running 496 00:28:08,490 --> 00:28:10,350 Speaker 1: through them alleys in Venice. I don't know where I'm 497 00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: at, it's mad dark. And just little things, like, went to a 498 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,540 Speaker 1: wedding in Colorado, I'm running in the mountains of Colorado. 499 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:19,002 Speaker 3: (inaudible) . 500 00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm in Puerto Escondido in Mexico, I was running in 501 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,649 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. Soon I'm going to post a video of 502 00:28:25,650 --> 00:28:26,401 Speaker 1: all the places I ran. 503 00:28:26,401 --> 00:28:26,402 Speaker 3: Yes. 504 00:28:26,402 --> 00:28:32,100 Speaker 1: I'm going to do a video on Instagram, a cut of all the... I took little short 15- 505 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: second videos, and I took pictures, so I'm going to work 506 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,340 Speaker 1: with my boy Rio, who does all my... He helps 507 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: me with all my video stuff, all my content, to cut 508 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,390 Speaker 1: that together. But we're going to do that soon, because 509 00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: it was just crazy. I'd be looking back on these 510 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,350 Speaker 1: videos, and I'm like, " Dang, I can't believe I traveled..." 511 00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:52,050 Speaker 1: All that. I probably took the most flights this year 512 00:28:52,050 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: than any year in my life, and was able to 513 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: keep running. I don't even know if I answered the 514 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,681 Speaker 1: question. I kind of went off on tangent- 515 00:29:01,681 --> 00:29:01,682 Speaker 2: No, it was great. 516 00:29:01,682 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: No. I feel like it's all part of it, and it's- 517 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,002 Speaker 1: (inaudible) . 518 00:29:05,002 --> 00:29:08,700 Speaker 3: ... definitely what highlights there, and that's probably to a 519 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: lot of our listeners as well who have maybe not 520 00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:14,970 Speaker 3: that level of travel intensity during their training, but every 521 00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:19,590 Speaker 3: single time your schedule gets a little bit intense, it's 522 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:21,781 Speaker 3: an opportunity to quit. It really is. 523 00:29:21,781 --> 00:29:21,782 Speaker 4: 100%. 524 00:29:21,782 --> 00:29:23,101 Speaker 3: You could have just been like- 525 00:29:23,101 --> 00:29:23,102 Speaker 4: Say that again. 526 00:29:23,102 --> 00:29:28,020 Speaker 3: ... " I've too much going on." And we all have it. It's 527 00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:31,290 Speaker 3: maybe not just travel, it's just workload, it's family life, 528 00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:37,020 Speaker 3: personal life. You took so many steps, and so many 529 00:29:37,290 --> 00:29:41,610 Speaker 3: more progressions along this journey, because you went, " Oh, damn, 530 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:44,580 Speaker 3: he's snoring. I want to be snoring, but I'm going 531 00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: to go out and do this run." And you did 532 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,660 Speaker 3: that countless times, in many different countries, on many different 533 00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:52,650 Speaker 3: time zones, and it's just so empowering. Doesn't it just 534 00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:55,171 Speaker 3: feel like, " Yes, I can do anything"? 535 00:29:55,171 --> 00:29:55,741 Speaker 1: Yeah. 536 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,050 Speaker 3: Because when you went to sleep that night, you're like, " 537 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,490 Speaker 3: Wow, I'm literally a better person than I was when I was 538 00:30:02,490 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 3: sitting in the bed listening to my brother snoring." 539 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:13,170 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Also shout out to my brother, he really- 540 00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:14,002 Speaker 4: Yes, (inaudible) . 541 00:30:14,002 --> 00:30:17,700 Speaker 1: ... did this... He was like, " All right, you're going 542 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: to do it?" I love my brother, man. He's just 543 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: so... He's like, " Let's go. We're in this together. Let's 544 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,550 Speaker 1: do this." And he wasn't running with the group like... 545 00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:32,700 Speaker 1: He was running on his own, and he was like, " 546 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: Man, I got emotional at least four times on that run." 547 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,350 Speaker 1: And I just really commend him on his mental toughness, 548 00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:44,310 Speaker 1: man. Yo, my brother's always been tough mentally. He's always 549 00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:50,370 Speaker 1: been an amazing athlete, and I really... It was just 550 00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:55,050 Speaker 1: awesome. Seeing him cross the finish line was incredible. Me, 551 00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:57,570 Speaker 1: and my sister, and my mom being able to greet 552 00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:59,430 Speaker 1: him at the finish line, and my mother... I took my 553 00:30:59,430 --> 00:31:01,290 Speaker 1: medal off my mother, gave him my medal. Because you 554 00:31:01,290 --> 00:31:02,820 Speaker 1: know you've got to get your medal at the thing, 555 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:07,709 Speaker 1: but they only get... So I was like, " Here, just... We're going to do 556 00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:15,060 Speaker 1: this moment again. This is fire." He's a warrior, man. 557 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:18,630 Speaker 1: I really get a lot of that spirit, that mentality 558 00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:23,550 Speaker 1: from him, watching him growing up, and watching the way 559 00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: he's... His work ethic, and the way he was always... 560 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: He was athletic, but he worked hard. He wasn't out 561 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: here, like, " Yeah, I'm going to just show up, and I can 562 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,830 Speaker 1: do it." It was like, " Nah." It was like, " No, 563 00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:36,660 Speaker 1: I'm going to work at it." He always worked. 564 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:42,690 Speaker 2: Jason, I have to go to you, and just get 565 00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:46,890 Speaker 2: your perspective on... First of all, you were there at 566 00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: the beginning for Anthony Ramos. I mean, it seems to 567 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: me just from this conversation that Anthony is a very, 568 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,940 Speaker 2: very lucky guy to have a mentor like you. I 569 00:31:56,940 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: mean, not everybody gets somebody like this in their life, 570 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,910 Speaker 2: a high school guidance counselor who sees something. You saw 571 00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:09,930 Speaker 2: something in Anthony at a young age, that you helped... 572 00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:13,470 Speaker 2: You kind of push him towards the direction he took 573 00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:16,410 Speaker 2: in life, going into the arts, which is why we 574 00:32:16,410 --> 00:32:21,270 Speaker 2: all know Anthony Ramos today, the actor, the performer. What 575 00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: did you see in Anthony at that young age to 576 00:32:25,650 --> 00:32:29,310 Speaker 2: make you believe he should pursue a career in the 577 00:32:29,310 --> 00:32:33,330 Speaker 2: arts? And I'm curious also, what did you see in 578 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: him during this marathon as well? And was there much 579 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,430 Speaker 2: connection between those things you saw? 580 00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: Okay, that's a loaded question. His demonstration, his... What he 581 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,380 Speaker 4: did in the school plays gave us a snapshot of 582 00:32:55,380 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 4: the potential. Like I said, his other mentor, teacher, English 583 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 4: teacher, Sarah Steinweiss, my good sister, and friend, and colleague, 584 00:33:09,630 --> 00:33:11,940 Speaker 4: we worked at New Utrecht together, and he was in 585 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 4: the plays early on, probably by... If not freshman year, 586 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 4: by sophomore year, I think you acted in your first 587 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 4: play at the school. And each year, the progression of 588 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,140 Speaker 4: his ability, and his honing that craft got better, got 589 00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 4: better, and you can see it. And he was thinking baseball 590 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 4: or whatever else, and he had a good friend named Jason 591 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,150 Speaker 4: Bolido, who was a little actor as well, and still 592 00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:43,020 Speaker 4: is. And the three of us kind of nudged him in 593 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 4: that direction, like, " No, baseball's nice, but I think you 594 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,220 Speaker 4: should be doing this." I have a back- 595 00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:50,550 Speaker 1: Yeah. Miss H too. 596 00:33:51,510 --> 00:33:52,770 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes. Miss H. 597 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,021 Speaker 1: (inaudible) Miss Hanvielette, yo. My Shakespearean teacher. 598 00:33:55,021 --> 00:33:55,022 Speaker 4: Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. 599 00:33:55,022 --> 00:33:58,110 Speaker 1: It was my only honors class. I was like- 600 00:33:58,590 --> 00:33:58,591 Speaker 3: Shakespeare. 601 00:33:58,591 --> 00:34:00,630 Speaker 1: I didn't even have good grades, but she put me in that class, 602 00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:02,070 Speaker 1: because she was like, " Yeah, you've got potential." 603 00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:07,710 Speaker 4: Yes, Miss Hanvielette. My other good colleague and friend. Yeah, we 604 00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:10,739 Speaker 4: kind of all just nudged him in that direction. And 605 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,739 Speaker 4: it wasn't like he listened to any one of us, 606 00:34:13,739 --> 00:34:17,070 Speaker 4: he listened to the collective, and he took our advice. 607 00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:21,030 Speaker 4: And then he applied for AMDA, American Music and Dramatic 608 00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:23,730 Speaker 4: Arts Academy, and Sarah was able to get him a 609 00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 4: scholarship there. And I remember him being in the city, 610 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,630 Speaker 4: and periodically asking me for money for this and for 611 00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:33,421 Speaker 4: that, even post- AMDA. 612 00:34:33,421 --> 00:34:34,500 Speaker 1: Broke. I was broke, bro. 613 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,630 Speaker 4: Rent, and things like that. He's like, " Yo, Jay, can 614 00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:40,049 Speaker 4: you help me out?" I'm like, " We got you. We got you. We 615 00:34:40,049 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 4: got you." 616 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,229 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 617 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:47,820 Speaker 4: It speaks to community. It speaks to unity. I'm a 618 00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 4: SAPIS, so I hear you saying guidance counselor a lot, 619 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 4: and I'm comparable to a guidance counselor, kudos to the 620 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,450 Speaker 4: New York City Department of Education, guidance counselors and all 621 00:34:57,450 --> 00:35:00,750 Speaker 4: you folks, but I'm a SAPIS, a substance abuse prevention 622 00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 4: intervention specialist, so I'm an addiction specialist. Anthony became one 623 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,870 Speaker 4: of many of students that sat in my office, and 624 00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:15,029 Speaker 4: that I counseled individually. Also, I teach classes. I pushed 625 00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:19,140 Speaker 4: into Sarah's English class, and taught social- emotional intellect, which 626 00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 4: I still do at Forest Hills High School in Queens. 627 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,410 Speaker 4: So as opposed to being in Brooklyn 15 years ago, 628 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,890 Speaker 4: I moved back to my home borough, and had been 629 00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:31,710 Speaker 4: at Forest Hills High School in Queens, the school of 630 00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:35,790 Speaker 4: good old Peter Parker, for the last decade, and kudos- 631 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,002 Speaker 2: (inaudible) . 632 00:35:36,002 --> 00:35:38,430 Speaker 4: ... to my folks at Forest Hills, and to all the 633 00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:43,469 Speaker 4: SAPIS of the city of New York. So that was 634 00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:47,730 Speaker 4: the beginning of the journey. And then in the marathon, 635 00:35:47,969 --> 00:35:52,860 Speaker 4: what is most amazing, Anthony lived in Bushwick, I lived 636 00:35:52,860 --> 00:35:56,010 Speaker 4: in Bedford- Stuyvesant at the time, and we both went 637 00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:59,550 Speaker 4: out to Bensonhurst, to New Utrecht to school every day, 638 00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:03,540 Speaker 4: and traveling to and fro, we ran into each other 639 00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:07,950 Speaker 4: on the B38 bus, which runs down Lafayette, along the 640 00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:11,610 Speaker 4: route of the marathon. And I just reminded him of 641 00:36:11,610 --> 00:36:15,630 Speaker 4: this yesterday. And I remember seeing him on the bus, 642 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 4: and I was like, "That kid goes to my school." And I said, " 643 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,969 Speaker 4: What are you doing..." I think it was his sophomore year, " What 644 00:36:20,969 --> 00:36:22,650 Speaker 4: are you doing on this bus? Why are you all 645 00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 4: the way over here?" He said, " I live over here." I said, "What do 646 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 4: you mean you live over here? You go to New 647 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 4: Utrecht?" He said, " We use my aunt's address." I gave 648 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,070 Speaker 4: away one of the secrets to the Board of Ed. 649 00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:35,969 Speaker 4: How to get your child into a better school. But 650 00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:39,030 Speaker 4: we would ride the bus to and fro, and it was like, " 651 00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:41,968 Speaker 4: What time do you leave in the morning?" We'd run into 652 00:36:41,969 --> 00:36:45,780 Speaker 4: each other, and it just became a thing for three 653 00:36:45,780 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 4: years, literally. We would pray together on the bus and 654 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 4: train going to school. We would have Bible studies. It 655 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,110 Speaker 4: was really profound. 656 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: And you had that little silver phone with them headphones 657 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,989 Speaker 1: that were kind of muffled, yo. We used to be 658 00:37:00,989 --> 00:37:02,401 Speaker 1: listening to worship music on the bus. 659 00:37:02,401 --> 00:37:04,981 Speaker 4: All of this, all of this. So it's- 660 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:07,770 Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to meet him on DeKalb Avenue, and then I 661 00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:10,469 Speaker 1: knew I was going to pass his apartment on the way. 662 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,002 Speaker 4: On the way. (inaudible) . 663 00:37:12,002 --> 00:37:14,430 Speaker 1: And then sooner or later, we started syncing up. Be like, "All right, Jay, 664 00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:16,049 Speaker 1: I'm on the bus. I just got on the bus." He'd be like, " 665 00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:18,420 Speaker 1: All right, bro. All right, I'm here." 666 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,989 Speaker 2: What strikes me is, okay, this wasn't just any student 667 00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:24,420 Speaker 2: advisor kind of relationship, I mean, this was really a 668 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:27,780 Speaker 2: deep relationship, and it's kept going. I mean, here you 669 00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:31,109 Speaker 2: are years later, and such a big part of each 670 00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:34,770 Speaker 2: other's lives, which I think is just phenomenal, and it's 671 00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:38,670 Speaker 2: why we're all sitting here today, because Jason's the reason 672 00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:40,500 Speaker 2: Anthony, or a large part of the reason that you 673 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,010 Speaker 2: took on this challenge of running a marathon. You just don't 674 00:37:44,010 --> 00:37:47,219 Speaker 2: see that every day, that kind of a mentorship relationship 675 00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:49,230 Speaker 2: that lasts that long, Anthony? 676 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm grateful, man. Like Jay said, he 677 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,110 Speaker 1: raised me, man. Some days I'd come to school, I'd 678 00:37:58,110 --> 00:38:01,589 Speaker 1: be broke, him and Sarah, they would feed me, give 679 00:38:01,590 --> 00:38:07,290 Speaker 1: me food, things like that. Jay used to take me 680 00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:10,739 Speaker 1: to Coney Island Boardwalk on the weekends, so that's where 681 00:38:10,739 --> 00:38:12,391 Speaker 1: I learned how to dance, on the boardwalk- 682 00:38:12,391 --> 00:38:15,210 Speaker 4: With mom, and with the whole family. 683 00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:19,020 Speaker 1: They used to DJ from about four to 9: 00 684 00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:21,420 Speaker 1: PM or something, or 10:00 PM or whatever it was. 685 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:26,969 Speaker 1: I remember, it was DJ Ray Vazquez, and he used 686 00:38:26,969 --> 00:38:30,089 Speaker 1: to DJ in this gazebo that was on the boardwalk, 687 00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:32,700 Speaker 1: and then it was just, all the OGs would be out there, and they'd all 688 00:38:32,969 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: be dancing, and some... You see the same heads out 689 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,790 Speaker 1: there every weekend, and that's how I learned... I'm 16 690 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 1: years old, and I'm watching these dudes dancing, I'm like, "All right. 691 00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:55,049 Speaker 1: I'm learning." It was just how the evolution of my... 692 00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:59,070 Speaker 1: The performance started to happen, and the dancing was meeting 693 00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:01,049 Speaker 1: the singing, was meeting the acting, and then it was 694 00:39:01,050 --> 00:39:03,180 Speaker 1: all coming together, which led to me then going to 695 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:06,900 Speaker 1: musical theater school, which eventually led to me being on 696 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:10,020 Speaker 1: Broadway, and then all the other stuff that happened after that. 697 00:39:11,489 --> 00:39:11,850 Speaker 4: Unreal. 698 00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 3: That's a journey. Yeah. I mean, what a journey, and 699 00:39:14,759 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 3: what an experience to have somebody to allow you to 700 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 3: do that with real passion, and real love. And continued 701 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:28,469 Speaker 3: to do it, because clearly, as you said, many a 702 00:39:28,469 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 3: time, Jason's given you the opportunity, or asked you to 703 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,050 Speaker 3: join him running the marathon, and it took a few 704 00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:39,660 Speaker 3: years. But Jason, to your story, you had some unfortunate 705 00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:41,730 Speaker 3: health issues back in 2024- 706 00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:41,790 Speaker 4: Two. 707 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,941 Speaker 3: 2022, but you decided- 708 00:39:44,941 --> 00:39:45,451 Speaker 4: '22, '23. 709 00:39:45,451 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 3: ... to continue training, and you were not going to 710 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,739 Speaker 3: let your spot go for the 2024 Tokyo Marathon. Is 711 00:39:52,739 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 3: that right? 712 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:53,219 Speaker 4: Yeah. 713 00:39:53,219 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 3: You were like, " I'm going to do this. I'm going 714 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,341 Speaker 3: to see this." 715 00:39:56,341 --> 00:39:56,821 Speaker 4: Yeah. 716 00:39:57,180 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 3: And you ran it, you completed it. Congratulations. I also 717 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:09,029 Speaker 3: ran it that year, so I feel you. It was a great year. What was it like 718 00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:13,455 Speaker 3: for you though, as somebody who has had so much 719 00:40:13,455 --> 00:40:18,540 Speaker 3: impact on youth, not just Anthony and his incredible level of 720 00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:24,150 Speaker 3: success? Does that drive you to kind of continue going 721 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:29,610 Speaker 3: through those incredibly hard days, hoping to inspire some other 722 00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:32,190 Speaker 3: youngster in a different position? 723 00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 4: Yes. Yes. So I teach social- emotional intellect. I'm teaching 724 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:44,489 Speaker 4: coping skills for life. I call it your toolbox of 725 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,050 Speaker 4: coping skills for all the lemons life throws at you. 726 00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 4: If you don't have a myriad, if you don't have 727 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,430 Speaker 4: a multitude of different methods to cope, different tools in 728 00:40:56,430 --> 00:41:00,510 Speaker 4: your toolbox, life will overwhelm you, and you'll sink to 729 00:41:00,510 --> 00:41:04,530 Speaker 4: the bottom real fast. As an addiction specialist and a 730 00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:07,739 Speaker 4: social worker, kudos to Hunter College School of Social Work, 731 00:41:08,610 --> 00:41:11,700 Speaker 4: this job chose me. I have a background in film 732 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:15,270 Speaker 4: and entertainment. I went to undergrad, and wanted to be 733 00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 4: a producer/ director, never in a million years wanted to 734 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,620 Speaker 4: be an educator or work with kids. I would joke 735 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:28,710 Speaker 4: back then and say, "I'm finna choked somebody's child." And still today, " 736 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,089 Speaker 4: Don't choke them, Jason." But the list- 737 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 738 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:38,310 Speaker 4: ... of students that have come through my office is 739 00:41:38,310 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 4: vast, is far and wide. Anthony is one of many. 740 00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 4: And I tell him this all of the time, " You've got a lot of 741 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 4: brothers and sisters." My film and entertainment background, I think... 742 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,609 Speaker 4: I come from a family of film and entertainers, as 743 00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 4: well as educators, that duality. I did my senior internship 744 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,690 Speaker 4: undergrad at Walt Disney, literally, in Burbank- 745 00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:01,021 Speaker 3: Very cool. 746 00:42:01,021 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 4: ... under Marc Jacobs Studio Productions, and I just knew... 747 00:42:06,989 --> 00:42:10,500 Speaker 4: My uncle was an assistant director at Disney back then, 748 00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:13,500 Speaker 4: and afforded me that opportunity. I got 15 credits towards 749 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 4: college, towards my bachelor's from Virginia State University. I took 750 00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 4: classes at Cal State at Northridge. I don't want to 751 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,950 Speaker 4: say I have the Midas touch, but I spot talent, 752 00:42:28,110 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 4: and I'm able to see it. Even students from Forest 753 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,450 Speaker 4: Hills now that have gone to AMDA, or gone to NYU, and are breaking 754 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,900 Speaker 4: into the industry now. It just has been a gift 755 00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:43,140 Speaker 4: that I have to identify and spot that talent. So 756 00:42:43,140 --> 00:42:49,500 Speaker 4: I need Jacobs... JJJ's Talent Agency under my belt- 757 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:49,711 Speaker 3: You should do it. Do it. 758 00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 4: ... or something like that. 759 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,090 Speaker 2: You've been doing pretty well with clients like Anthony Ramos. 760 00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:55,171 Speaker 3: Yeah. 761 00:42:55,171 --> 00:42:55,172 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 762 00:42:55,172 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 4: So it just all kind of built up. So back 763 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,030 Speaker 4: in 2022, having a great year. I'm trying to think, 764 00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:04,980 Speaker 4: did I even run? I think I ran New York. 765 00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:07,710 Speaker 4: That was the last New York I had run. 766 00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:10,049 Speaker 3: Tough one that year. 767 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,899 Speaker 4: Actually, no, I didn't run New York that year, because 768 00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:21,570 Speaker 4: in July or August I had an unfortunate experience where 769 00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:24,690 Speaker 4: I went to go to the bathroom, and it was 770 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:30,781 Speaker 4: blood and not urine, and it was jolting to say the least. 771 00:43:30,781 --> 00:43:33,270 Speaker 1: You was actually staying with me while I was shooting 772 00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:34,140 Speaker 1: out there in Atlanta. 773 00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:36,810 Speaker 4: This is before that. 774 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,002 Speaker 1: (inaudible) . 775 00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:40,620 Speaker 4: This is before that. Yeah, I'll lead up to that. This is before that. 776 00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:43,710 Speaker 4: Try to give you the short version. I'm at Astoria 777 00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 4: Pool. I took my niece to the pool. We are 778 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,299 Speaker 4: having a great day. I'm swimming laps, I'm throwing her 779 00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 4: around. I go to the bathroom, a cup of blood, 780 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 4: and I'm like, " This can't be good." I went to 781 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:01,260 Speaker 4: the hospital that night out in Long Island, they basically... 782 00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:04,980 Speaker 4: It cleared up by the end of the night, probably 2:00 or 3: 783 00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:07,290 Speaker 4: 00 in the morning, I'm in the emergency room. It 784 00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:10,260 Speaker 4: cleared up, and it wasn't blood anymore, so I was like, " 785 00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:14,070 Speaker 4: Okay, maybe..." They had to send me to a specialist. 786 00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:17,700 Speaker 4: I go to the specialist, he tells me, " We can't 787 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 4: do anything until you come back from vacation." Long story 788 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,460 Speaker 4: short, I go on vacation for three weeks. I went 789 00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 4: to Virginia, I went to Philadelphia, I went to Puerto 790 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,150 Speaker 4: Rico, and I ended up lastly in Atlanta. I ended 791 00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:37,830 Speaker 4: up with him in his beautiful apartment as he's filming 792 00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:40,650 Speaker 4: Ironheart, and I stay with him for a week and 793 00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:46,770 Speaker 4: a half. A good portion of that time were bloody 794 00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:51,180 Speaker 4: nights, days, where for 3 or 4 days straight, my 795 00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:56,730 Speaker 4: urine was straight blood. I don't wish it on anybody. 796 00:44:58,830 --> 00:45:02,969 Speaker 4: And I got displeased with the system, the hospital system I 797 00:45:02,969 --> 00:45:06,330 Speaker 4: was utilizing in Queens and Long Island. And he's one 798 00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:09,390 Speaker 4: of my angels, and I called him and said, " Listen, 799 00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:14,100 Speaker 4: I am not appreciating how... I feel like I'm being 800 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:17,250 Speaker 4: passed around, like a science project, where I've had three 801 00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:21,210 Speaker 4: urologists already in the same hospital system. Can you help 802 00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:24,660 Speaker 4: me find something?" I said to him, " Can you help 803 00:45:24,660 --> 00:45:27,030 Speaker 4: me find the best?" That's what I said. I said, " 804 00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:29,820 Speaker 4: I have a funny feeling your people can get access 805 00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:33,150 Speaker 4: to people I can't. Find me the best." He hit 806 00:45:33,150 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 4: me back within two hours with a Dr. Michael Pitman, 807 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,870 Speaker 4: who said, " I want you to go to MSK, Memorial 808 00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:41,940 Speaker 4: Sloan Kettering, and I want you to look for Dr. 809 00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 4: Iyer and Dr. Goh." It took me days. They bugged 810 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,890 Speaker 4: me to make that call. I was in my flow, " 811 00:45:50,370 --> 00:45:53,940 Speaker 4: What would happen..." A switch went off, and all of 812 00:45:53,940 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 4: my social work skills went into play for myself. I'm 813 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:06,180 Speaker 4: getting emotional, because I'm standing in front of classrooms teaching 814 00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:11,700 Speaker 4: kids mindfulness breathing, and meditation, and affirmations like, " I love 815 00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:14,940 Speaker 4: me. I am present. I got this. This shall be 816 00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:18,540 Speaker 4: a great day." I'm teaching them mudra hand positions, I'm 817 00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:22,770 Speaker 4: teaching all... I'm pulling every tool out of my toolbox, 818 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,530 Speaker 4: out of my hat. And sometimes I could be sitting 819 00:46:25,530 --> 00:46:27,930 Speaker 4: in front of a class where kids aren't even responding. 820 00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:30,779 Speaker 4: They're looking at me with blank stares, and I stood 821 00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 4: up there doing it for myself. I'm being my own 822 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 4: social worker first. I'm being an advocate for myself first, 823 00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:45,150 Speaker 4: and focusing on what I could do, and being utilized 824 00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:48,270 Speaker 4: as a tool and instrument for other people's healing, and 825 00:46:48,270 --> 00:46:51,540 Speaker 4: focused on helping those kids get through what they were 826 00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:54,779 Speaker 4: going through at that time. Nobody on the job even 827 00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:58,169 Speaker 4: knew I was diagnosed with bladder cancer. And I had 828 00:46:58,170 --> 00:47:01,739 Speaker 4: my first surgery in October, and three weeks post- op, 829 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 4: I went back and she said, " Good news, we got 830 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 4: rid of the tumor. Bad news, you have a very 831 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,529 Speaker 4: rare and aggressive cancer called plasmacytoid urothelial that comes back and 832 00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:16,230 Speaker 4: kills 5 out of 7 people. We need your bladder." 833 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,100 Speaker 4: And I've ran marathons, and I said, " You what?" All 834 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:26,250 Speaker 4: I saw was my dreams dashed on the rocks, like, " 835 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,410 Speaker 4: How am I going to be able to run anymore 836 00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:34,859 Speaker 4: with a coloscopy bag, or something to that effect?" And I 837 00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:38,790 Speaker 4: went through another surgery where the last doctor at Northwell 838 00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:43,260 Speaker 4: Health did something called a scraping, and to determine that 839 00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:47,968 Speaker 4: it didn't permeate through my bladder wall and metastasize into 840 00:47:47,969 --> 00:47:50,339 Speaker 4: the rest of my body, which might be a very 841 00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:55,380 Speaker 4: different story right now. And I started at MSK right 842 00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:58,770 Speaker 4: after that in November. I went through two months of 843 00:47:58,770 --> 00:48:03,750 Speaker 4: chemo. I went through a radical cystectomy. They took my 844 00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:08,910 Speaker 4: bladder, they took my prostate, they took part of my 845 00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 4: large intestines, and made me a new bladder called neobladder, 846 00:48:13,110 --> 00:48:17,250 Speaker 4: all laparoscopically within my body at the same time. It 847 00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:21,029 Speaker 4: was scheduled to be a 10- hour surgery, and I told 848 00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 4: Dr. Goh at MSK, " I promise you, I will be 849 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 4: your best surgery ever. Mark my words." My prayer over 850 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 4: his hands before I went into that surgery was accuracy, 851 00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:39,210 Speaker 4: precision, and efficiency. And he came back and said, " You 852 00:48:39,210 --> 00:48:42,750 Speaker 4: are truly my best surgery ever. You are the mannequin 853 00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:46,290 Speaker 4: I worked on in medical school." And it took him 854 00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:49,350 Speaker 4: five and a half hours of 10 to complete my surgery. 855 00:48:49,350 --> 00:48:49,351 Speaker 2: Wow. Oh my goodness. 856 00:48:49,350 --> 00:48:53,250 Speaker 4: It took me two weeks of healing, and I was 857 00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:58,650 Speaker 4: right on 68th Street, and we ran past MSK, where 858 00:48:58,650 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 4: my surgery was, where Anthony visited me in the hospital 859 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,149 Speaker 4: twice, and I cried as I ran up the east 860 00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:13,770 Speaker 4: side of Manhattan, and past MSK. And 11 months to 861 00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:18,150 Speaker 4: the exact day, I ran the Tokyo Marathon, which I 862 00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:23,790 Speaker 4: got in by the lottery. And I had to do a GoFundMe page to help 863 00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:26,850 Speaker 4: me just finance that, because I was going through hospital 864 00:49:26,850 --> 00:49:31,500 Speaker 4: payments, and bills beyond my wildest imagination because of my 865 00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:36,570 Speaker 4: healthcare concerns. Thank God for good medical. That's what we're 866 00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 4: fighting for today in America. Literally, it made the difference. 867 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,730 Speaker 4: And it was surreal. Number- wise is so literal for 868 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:50,370 Speaker 4: everything that happened, and the way it happened, and the 869 00:49:50,370 --> 00:49:53,819 Speaker 4: way things fell, and I remember running that Tokyo... I 870 00:49:53,820 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 4: got approved by my urologist and by my oncologist to 871 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,670 Speaker 4: do Tokyo, and they said, " We would never let a 872 00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:07,140 Speaker 4: patient do this. You are an anomaly, and you can 873 00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:09,630 Speaker 4: do this, Jay. You are ready for this, and we 874 00:50:09,630 --> 00:50:13,320 Speaker 4: give you permission and our blessing." So thanks to the 875 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,469 Speaker 4: good doctors at Memorial Sloan Kettering, and Northwell Health- 876 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,590 Speaker 2: Shout out. Shout out to Memorial Sloan Kettering. 877 00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:20,851 Speaker 4: Because I'm here. I'm here. 878 00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:21,180 Speaker 2: You're here. 879 00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 4: So this was my return to New York. This was my return to New York. 880 00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 2: We're so glad that you're here. We're so glad that 881 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 2: that went well. And thank you for sharing all that. 882 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,260 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just so much of- 883 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,250 Speaker 4: I'm working on the book. 884 00:50:32,580 --> 00:50:34,259 Speaker 2: That's right. It's going to be a heck of a 885 00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:41,250 Speaker 2: book. No doubt about it. Wow, such a real story. 886 00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:45,330 Speaker 2: I have to ask before we go, on a lighter 887 00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:50,190 Speaker 2: note, Anthony, Des Linden, how did that happen? How did 888 00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:53,460 Speaker 2: you end up with Des Linden running with you? You're 889 00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 2: running beside an Olympian, a Boston Marathon champion, how did 890 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 2: it happen? What was it like? And what role did 891 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 2: she play in your marathon day? 892 00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:10,500 Speaker 1: Yeah, Des just walked me through all the training, man, the 893 00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:13,500 Speaker 1: whole time. We were on a text thread, me, her, and Garrett, 894 00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: and it was... We were just there, just on this text 895 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,989 Speaker 1: thread. She's like, "All right, this is what you're going to do this week." 896 00:51:24,989 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: Every week. Top of the week. It was on Sunday. 897 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,590 Speaker 1: On Sundays, I think she would hit me up, and 898 00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:33,030 Speaker 1: let me know what I was doing for the week. 899 00:51:33,029 --> 00:51:33,569 Speaker 2: How'd you first connect with her, Anthony? 900 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: I connected with her through Brooks. She's been working with 901 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,980 Speaker 1: them for a while now, and I connected with her, 902 00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:46,739 Speaker 1: and they were like, " All right, these are going to 903 00:51:46,739 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: be your coaches, Des Linden." And then they're like, " All 904 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,030 Speaker 1: right, she's done this, this, this, this and that." I didn't 905 00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:55,440 Speaker 1: know anything about running, I didn't know anything about who 906 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,470 Speaker 1: won any marathon, anything like that. I was just like, " 907 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,489 Speaker 1: I just joined." And they're like, " All right, so you're 908 00:52:02,489 --> 00:52:04,770 Speaker 1: going to be working with Des, and then Garrett Heath." And I'm 909 00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:09,480 Speaker 1: looking, and I'm like, " Damn, these people are serious." I'm like, " 910 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: Yo, she won?" I honestly thought she was just going 911 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,270 Speaker 1: to be tough, and she was, but in a good way. 912 00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:31,500 Speaker 1: She wasn't tough in a way like... She was really 913 00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,860 Speaker 1: patient with me. Because there would be some weeks where 914 00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:38,460 Speaker 1: I couldn't do everything she asked me to do. She'd 915 00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:40,739 Speaker 1: be like, " You've got to run five times this week." 916 00:52:40,739 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, " Yo, Des. I can't run five times this... I can't. 917 00:52:46,350 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: Can't run five times this week. I'm going to run 918 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,370 Speaker 1: 3 to 4, and we're going to hope that that's going 919 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,110 Speaker 1: to suffice." But I'm going hard, I'm doing my best 920 00:52:55,110 --> 00:53:02,969 Speaker 1: to do everything she's telling me to do. Yeah, we 921 00:53:02,969 --> 00:53:05,100 Speaker 1: got hooked up with Brooks, and she... I'm talking about, 922 00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:09,360 Speaker 1: man, she's just so incredible, so supportive the whole time, 923 00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:13,350 Speaker 1: walking me through step by step. One of the funniest 924 00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:17,100 Speaker 1: things was, we were shooting one of the commercials for 925 00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: Brooks together in Central Park, and she's like, " Yo, bro, 926 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: make sure you use the bathroom, because the one thing 927 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 1: you don't want to do is be in the middle 928 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: of the race and have to take a ( beep)." Because she's like, " That 929 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,630 Speaker 1: happens to so many people, you don't want to be 930 00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:34,620 Speaker 1: one of them." And I was like, " Okay. Good. All right." 931 00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:34,739 Speaker 4: Facts. 932 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,170 Speaker 1: Took her advice, and it was... TMI, sorry for the 933 00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:49,739 Speaker 1: listeners. She's like, " Hydrate this much." Or, " Do this or 934 00:53:49,739 --> 00:53:55,140 Speaker 1: do that." Even her last text to me was something 935 00:53:55,140 --> 00:53:57,029 Speaker 1: like... What was it, her last text? Let me just 936 00:53:57,030 --> 00:54:01,140 Speaker 1: look it up. But basically she's like, " Next time you 937 00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:03,330 Speaker 1: hear that little voice inside your head that says you 938 00:54:03,330 --> 00:54:06,330 Speaker 1: can't, you know have so much more to give, you can 939 00:54:06,330 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: and you will. The city loves you. Thanks for letting 940 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,489 Speaker 1: us tag along for the ride. Hope you woke up 941 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 1: with battered legs in a full heart. You're a marathoner 942 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,420 Speaker 1: now." And then the last part of message is, " Coaching 943 00:54:18,450 --> 00:54:21,450 Speaker 1: tip," she's like, " Get a massage this week, a gentle one." 944 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:21,002 Speaker 4: (inaudible) . 945 00:54:21,002 --> 00:54:23,759 Speaker 1: " Take some time off running for a bit, but 946 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,510 Speaker 1: if you can do some short leisurely walks this week, 947 00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:30,810 Speaker 1: it'll help shake the soreness out of your legs. Wear 948 00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:33,420 Speaker 1: your medal today, but not the entire week." 949 00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:35,581 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's brilliant. 950 00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: She's like, "Get some protein back in the diet in next couple of days 951 00:54:39,870 --> 00:54:41,399 Speaker 1: for recovery purposes." But just- 952 00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:43,561 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's still with you? 953 00:54:43,561 --> 00:54:47,280 Speaker 1: ... still coaching me, still with me, race is done- 954 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:47,002 Speaker 3: (inaudible) . 955 00:54:47,002 --> 00:54:54,509 Speaker 1: ... but she's still with me. Just Des was so 956 00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:57,420 Speaker 1: amazing the whole time, and I'm just so grateful for 957 00:54:57,420 --> 00:55:02,580 Speaker 1: her. She's such an incredible human, and amazing coach. And 958 00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: Garrett, same. Honestly, they were really godsends, yo, angels. They 959 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,140 Speaker 1: were on the race giving me the gels when I 960 00:55:13,140 --> 00:55:16,770 Speaker 1: needed the... Des giving me candy. She had this pack 961 00:55:16,770 --> 00:55:17,580 Speaker 1: of gummies- 962 00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:17,911 Speaker 3: Brilliant. 963 00:55:17,911 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: ... and she's popping them, she's handing them to me. Yeah, 964 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,190 Speaker 1: it was so dope. 965 00:55:26,370 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 2: Wow. 966 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: It was amazing. 967 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,550 Speaker 3: That's the way to do it. The inspiration. Okay, before we let 968 00:55:29,550 --> 00:55:33,540 Speaker 3: you go, because taking up a lot of your day, you insinuated 969 00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:36,780 Speaker 3: earlier, and I think Rob said you're not one and 970 00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:40,410 Speaker 3: done. Can we confirm that we will be seeing you 971 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,670 Speaker 3: towing the line to another 26.2? 972 00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:43,411 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I'm doing another one. 973 00:55:43,411 --> 00:55:43,412 Speaker 3: Yay. 974 00:55:43,412 --> 00:55:47,610 Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, I'm doing another one. 100%. 975 00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:47,821 Speaker 2: You think New York, or you think you'll go somewhere else? 976 00:55:47,821 --> 00:55:54,060 Speaker 1: Nah, I want to do them all. I want to 977 00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:57,390 Speaker 1: do Berlin, London. I know Australia's got one now. 978 00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 3: Yep. 979 00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:58,109 Speaker 2: That's right. 980 00:55:58,290 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 1: I want to do Tokyo. I think there's one in China now. 981 00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:05,701 Speaker 1: Yo, we do a little vacation out of it, three weeks- 982 00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:05,701 Speaker 3: Exactly. 983 00:56:05,701 --> 00:56:10,350 Speaker 1: ... two weeks in the spot. Get my runs in 984 00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:14,100 Speaker 1: or whatever, and then... But I post up, just travel, 985 00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:17,460 Speaker 1: run during the week. But then in that last week, you're 986 00:56:17,460 --> 00:56:20,070 Speaker 1: only doing really tune up run, so it really is kind 987 00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:23,280 Speaker 1: of a vacation, and then you do the marathon, then- 988 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,240 Speaker 3: Then you celebrate. 989 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:25,621 Speaker 1: ... go for a couple of days after and be out. 990 00:56:25,621 --> 00:56:26,580 Speaker 2: Hey, Becs and I have both done it. 991 00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:28,890 Speaker 3: That sounds like such a great plan. Yep. It is. 992 00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:29,041 Speaker 2: It's a great way- 993 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:29,671 Speaker 3: It's a wonderful way to see the world. 994 00:56:29,671 --> 00:56:31,291 Speaker 2: That's right. 995 00:56:31,291 --> 00:56:31,292 Speaker 1: Yeah. 996 00:56:31,292 --> 00:56:34,799 Speaker 2: A great way to see new places. And we've got officially 997 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,250 Speaker 2: somebody else now new, Anthony Ramos on the six- star 998 00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 2: journey, as they call it at AWMM. This has been amazing. Anthony, 999 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,941 Speaker 2: Jason, congratulations to you both. Congratulations on the marathon- 1000 00:56:47,941 --> 00:56:47,942 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you. 1001 00:56:47,942 --> 00:56:52,379 Speaker 2: ... on everything you've accomplished. Thank you for sharing so 1002 00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:53,580 Speaker 2: much with us today. 1003 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:54,060 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you. 1004 00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:57,031 Speaker 2: This is what it's all about. This is really what this- 1005 00:56:57,031 --> 00:56:57,032 Speaker 3: Sure is. 1006 00:56:57,032 --> 00:57:01,530 Speaker 2: ... event is all about, is... Yes, it's the running, 1007 00:57:01,530 --> 00:57:04,110 Speaker 2: but it is so much more, and you all both 1008 00:57:04,110 --> 00:57:06,509 Speaker 2: did a beautiful job of sharing what it meant, what it meant and 1009 00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 2: what it means to so many. So thank you, and congrats. 1010 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:09,601 Speaker 1: Thank you. 1011 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,290 Speaker 4: Could I say a special thanks to you guys at New York 1012 00:57:13,290 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 4: Road Runners? 1013 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:14,130 Speaker 1: Yep. 100%. 1014 00:57:15,330 --> 00:57:18,870 Speaker 4: And one of your employees, Maria Romano, who is my 1015 00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:23,070 Speaker 4: coach for the Quicksilver Striders out of Queens, as well as 1016 00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:27,270 Speaker 4: your other employee, Juan Lopez, who actually played baseball with 1017 00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:28,440 Speaker 4: Anthony as a child- 1018 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:28,651 Speaker 1: That's right. 1019 00:57:28,651 --> 00:57:29,851 Speaker 4: ... who helped train me this season. 1020 00:57:29,851 --> 00:57:30,361 Speaker 1: I saw him on the race. 1021 00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:33,810 Speaker 4: I literally just met him, and I didn't even know they 1022 00:57:33,810 --> 00:57:38,550 Speaker 4: were childhood baseball players together. So the irony, it's like... 1023 00:57:38,550 --> 00:57:38,940 Speaker 3: Cool. 1024 00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:42,060 Speaker 4: You can't make this stuff up. You can't. So kudos 1025 00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 4: to you guys at New York Road Runners. 1026 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,341 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank y'all. Thank y'all just for giving us the opportunity. 1027 00:57:47,341 --> 00:57:49,710 Speaker 4: And I look forward to many more things together. 1028 00:57:50,070 --> 00:57:50,430 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1029 00:57:50,430 --> 00:57:54,810 Speaker 2: Thank you. We appreciate that. Thank you, guys. Peloton is leveling 1030 00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:57,990 Speaker 2: up. With the launch of their Peloton cross- training series, 1031 00:57:58,290 --> 00:58:02,580 Speaker 2: they're redefining what race training can look like. 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Sandra Garcia's running story began in 1998 with 1040 00:58:36,030 --> 00:58:38,610 Speaker 2: the launch of New York Road Runners' free youth running 1041 00:58:38,610 --> 00:58:41,610 Speaker 2: programs in New York City schools. As a Harlem kid 1042 00:58:41,610 --> 00:58:44,910 Speaker 2: in that program, she raced city courses, and even became 1043 00:58:45,090 --> 00:58:48,180 Speaker 2: pen pals with New York City Marathon legend, Greta Waitz. 1044 00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 2: Sandra is the founder of Encounter Your Potential, a marketing 1045 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,939 Speaker 2: and DEI consulting firm. And she's recently rediscovered her joy 1046 00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:59,850 Speaker 2: of running. This past Sunday, she and her husband, Dwight 1047 00:58:59,850 --> 00:59:04,830 Speaker 2: Green, ran the 2025 TCS New York City Marathon together as 1048 00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:07,770 Speaker 2: part of the New York Urban League's charity team, raising 1049 00:59:07,770 --> 00:59:11,460 Speaker 2: funds for education and opportunity in the community that means 1050 00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 2: so much to them. 1051 00:59:13,950 --> 00:59:17,970 Speaker 5: Thanks, Rob. Sandra, welcome to Set the Pace podcast, how 1052 00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:18,780 Speaker 5: are you feeling? 1053 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,690 Speaker 6: (inaudible) . I'm sore, but I'm so happy to be 1054 00:59:21,690 --> 00:59:25,260 Speaker 6: here. I'm still coming down from the high of just 1055 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:28,950 Speaker 6: running through all the boroughs of New York City, but still 1056 00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:32,220 Speaker 6: sore. My big toes are still feeling it. 1057 00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:38,250 Speaker 5: The toes. I know. I can relate. I've done tough courses and 1058 00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:41,910 Speaker 5: marathon many times. I usually feel about Thursday... For Sunday 1059 00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:43,770 Speaker 5: race, Thursday is when I feel like I can get 1060 00:59:43,770 --> 00:59:46,560 Speaker 5: up without an assistance. So I'm pretty sure you're feeling 1061 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,560 Speaker 5: a little bit better now, but you see the light 1062 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,340 Speaker 5: at the end of the tunnel? 1063 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,910 Speaker 6: Correct. So I have basically another day to go before 1064 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 6: I can go down some stairs comfortably, is what you're 1065 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:57,270 Speaker 6: telling me? 1066 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,980 Speaker 5: Absolutely. You did a great job, and just keep wearing 1067 01:00:01,980 --> 01:00:02,490 Speaker 5: that medal. 1068 01:00:03,209 --> 01:00:04,470 Speaker 6: You're right. I should be wearing the medal. 1069 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,970 Speaker 5: Yeah. Let's get back to how you start running, what 1070 01:00:08,970 --> 01:00:12,690 Speaker 5: do you remember about running those NYRR youth races when 1071 01:00:12,690 --> 01:00:15,450 Speaker 5: you were a kid in the late- 1990s with the 1072 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,930 Speaker 5: then brand new NYRR Foundation? 1073 01:00:19,470 --> 01:00:26,430 Speaker 6: Yeah. So that timing really also creates some information around 1074 01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:29,850 Speaker 6: age, because I don't feel like it was all the way in the 1075 01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:35,700 Speaker 6: 1990s. But it was my introduction to running. I actually 1076 01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:38,970 Speaker 6: don't remember what I was doing with my time before 1077 01:00:38,970 --> 01:00:42,750 Speaker 6: then, but the New York Road Runners Foundation came to 1078 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:46,169 Speaker 6: my charter school at the time, and I remember that 1079 01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:50,370 Speaker 6: we would train over on Central Park North. There's a 1080 01:00:50,370 --> 01:00:55,320 Speaker 6: hill over by a 110th Street, 109th Street, so that was our 1081 01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 6: training ground. 1082 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:57,002 Speaker 5: (inaudible) . 1083 01:00:57,390 --> 01:01:01,500 Speaker 6: And one of the things that is super memorable to 1084 01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:05,400 Speaker 6: me, early training points, is light posts to light posts. 1085 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,190 Speaker 6: Because around this time of the year, it starts to 1086 01:01:08,190 --> 01:01:11,370 Speaker 6: get dark, and that was the marker that we could 1087 01:01:11,370 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 6: see, and that is still a marker that I use today. 1088 01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:19,740 Speaker 5: Pretty awesome to get to know your body, and your pacing, and 1089 01:01:19,830 --> 01:01:24,720 Speaker 5: sense of directions. Talk about some amazing stuff, the marathon 1090 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,169 Speaker 5: legend, Greta Waitz became your pen pal. What was like 1091 01:01:28,170 --> 01:01:31,200 Speaker 5: corresponding with a legend like that when you were a 1092 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,460 Speaker 5: young person? 1093 01:01:32,790 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 6: Well, the beauty of youth is that you sometimes don't 1094 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:41,280 Speaker 6: even realize the reality of things. So now an adult, 1095 01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:45,060 Speaker 6: I see what a privilege that was, what an honor 1096 01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:49,830 Speaker 6: it was. But she was so friendly, so warm, so 1097 01:01:49,830 --> 01:01:55,410 Speaker 6: approachable. And at the time, we were sending letters back and 1098 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,760 Speaker 6: forth to one another. So I remember I could type 1099 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,230 Speaker 6: the letters, which was also great practice, but then I 1100 01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:08,070 Speaker 6: would handwritten, or print letter off to someone at the 1101 01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:11,370 Speaker 6: New York Road Runners, and they will mail it out 1102 01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:13,890 Speaker 6: to Greta, and then it would be the same vice 1103 01:02:13,890 --> 01:02:18,780 Speaker 6: versa. So it was almost like Christmas, just the anticipation 1104 01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:23,580 Speaker 6: of receiving her letters and her communications. And sometimes she 1105 01:02:23,580 --> 01:02:27,570 Speaker 6: would send over additional things, not just a letter, have some 1106 01:02:27,570 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 6: socks from one of her races. She would send me 1107 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,280 Speaker 6: booklets and updates. So it was a beautiful experience that 1108 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,600 Speaker 6: now in adulthood I get to appreciate, which then I 1109 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,970 Speaker 6: was just communicating with someone who had ran the marathon 1110 01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:42,780 Speaker 6: many times. 1111 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,580 Speaker 5: That's amazing, to be able to be correspondence with a nine- 1112 01:02:47,580 --> 01:02:51,390 Speaker 5: time New York City Marathon champion at your fingertip, and 1113 01:02:51,390 --> 01:02:54,300 Speaker 5: some memorabilia that she would send you. It's just incredible 1114 01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:54,690 Speaker 5: to hear. 1115 01:02:54,690 --> 01:02:58,290 Speaker 6: Right. I wish I could tell her now that I did it, I 1116 01:02:58,290 --> 01:02:59,340 Speaker 6: finally did it. 1117 01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:02,730 Speaker 5: It's amazing. I'm pretty sure she'll be very proud of 1118 01:03:02,730 --> 01:03:05,430 Speaker 5: you. And I just remember when I used to live 1119 01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:08,820 Speaker 5: in Italy, I was corresponding with letter with my teacher 1120 01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:13,170 Speaker 5: and also my classmates. So without emails or FaceTime, all 1121 01:03:13,170 --> 01:03:16,020 Speaker 5: those things, they were really anticipation, and when they see 1122 01:03:16,020 --> 01:03:18,210 Speaker 5: it come, I'm pretty sure you were very excited. 1123 01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:19,590 Speaker 6: Correct. Exactly. 1124 01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:24,930 Speaker 5: Did anything go from the letter that she wrote to 1125 01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:28,500 Speaker 5: you while you were running the TCS New York City Marathon 1126 01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:32,100 Speaker 5: just few days ago on this Sunday with your husband, 1127 01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 5: Dwight Green? And did any of that advice or something 1128 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 5: happen? And how was that experience to run together? 1129 01:03:39,450 --> 01:03:44,700 Speaker 6: Yeah, so we did run together. 2025 has been, I 1130 01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:48,870 Speaker 6: say a year of milestones for our family. So my 1131 01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:52,710 Speaker 6: husband turned 50 this year. We have a two- year- 1132 01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:56,130 Speaker 6: old, well, he's almost two years old. So part of 1133 01:03:56,130 --> 01:03:59,430 Speaker 6: my running the marathon was to rekindle my love with 1134 01:03:59,430 --> 01:04:07,050 Speaker 6: running, but to also get back into shape for me, 1135 01:04:07,950 --> 01:04:13,110 Speaker 6: and athletic shape for me, which meant finishing the marathon. 1136 01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:17,970 Speaker 6: So there were various different reasons for why we did 1137 01:04:17,970 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 6: it, personal reasons, and it was amazing that we were 1138 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,320 Speaker 6: able to do it together, because once the body started 1139 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,610 Speaker 6: to question our decision, we were able to keep each 1140 01:04:29,610 --> 01:04:35,640 Speaker 6: other motivated and keep going. And what was also special, 1141 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:36,420 Speaker 6: I'm a New Yorker- 1142 01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:36,421 Speaker 5: Nice. 1143 01:04:36,421 --> 01:04:40,350 Speaker 6: ... grew up in New York, and to be able 1144 01:04:40,350 --> 01:04:42,450 Speaker 6: to run through all the boroughs, one, I can't say 1145 01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:45,120 Speaker 6: I've ever done that, ever visited all five boroughs in 1146 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:50,640 Speaker 6: a day, but to also follow the footsteps of many 1147 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,390 Speaker 6: other people before me, including Greta, that was just phenomenal. 1148 01:04:55,830 --> 01:04:58,530 Speaker 5: Just wonderful. What a big milestone for you guys to 1149 01:04:58,530 --> 01:05:01,350 Speaker 5: do it together, in training, and also doing the five 1150 01:05:01,350 --> 01:05:03,900 Speaker 5: boroughs as a New Yorker, (inaudible) treat yourself. So 1151 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:09,000 Speaker 5: congratulations. You're running a team, NYUL, for the New York 1152 01:05:09,090 --> 01:05:12,540 Speaker 5: Urban League. Why is supporting the cause important to you? 1153 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,350 Speaker 6: Again, I'm a native New Yorker, and the New York 1154 01:05:16,350 --> 01:05:19,500 Speaker 6: Urban League in particular has been serving New Yorkers for 1155 01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:25,650 Speaker 6: over 100 years, and creating equitable opportunities for Black and 1156 01:05:25,650 --> 01:05:29,310 Speaker 6: brown New Yorkers in particular. That was my introduction to 1157 01:05:29,310 --> 01:05:32,940 Speaker 6: running, via the New York Road Runners Foundation. I've been 1158 01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:36,660 Speaker 6: working with the New York Urban League as a program manager 1159 01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:41,970 Speaker 6: for their equity innovation lab since 2021, and they've had 1160 01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:47,130 Speaker 6: a marathon team for a few years, and the stars 1161 01:05:47,130 --> 01:05:49,680 Speaker 6: were aligned this year, so it was perfect to do 1162 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:54,300 Speaker 6: so. The city that I love that raised me, for 1163 01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:58,950 Speaker 6: an organization that I've been able to create opportunity for, 1164 01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:02,310 Speaker 6: but that I'm super passionate about, and super passionate about the work 1165 01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:07,770 Speaker 6: that we do. And also very similar missions, to some 1166 01:06:07,770 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 6: regard, to that of the New York Road Runners Foundation as well. 1167 01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:16,860 Speaker 5: Great work all around. And you just mentioned you have a two- 1168 01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:21,270 Speaker 5: year-old, and you have a full- time career as a business owner. How 1169 01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:23,610 Speaker 5: do you fit marathon training in your busy schedule? 1170 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:30,540 Speaker 6: Crazy town. Crazy. Crazy days. By the way, he was 1171 01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:33,510 Speaker 6: present, and he was waiting for mommy and daddy- 1172 01:06:34,170 --> 01:06:34,171 Speaker 5: Nice. 1173 01:06:34,171 --> 01:06:38,490 Speaker 6: ... at mile 23. So we were able to see 1174 01:06:38,490 --> 01:06:41,010 Speaker 6: him. He took a little nap before we finally made it. 1175 01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:43,230 Speaker 5: He gave you a little push. 1176 01:06:43,290 --> 01:06:45,420 Speaker 6: Absolutely. Because we were like, " We need to get there. 1177 01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:47,730 Speaker 6: He's waiting for us, and it's cold. We need to 1178 01:06:47,730 --> 01:06:56,189 Speaker 6: hurry up." It was crazy. You make a plan, and 1179 01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:59,160 Speaker 6: then just be prepared to pivot, and adjust, and adapt 1180 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:06,480 Speaker 6: as needed. I primarily ran during the day while he 1181 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,939 Speaker 6: was in school, so we enrolled him in Montessori school. 1182 01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:13,200 Speaker 6: It's the only way that I could 80% be sure that 1183 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,230 Speaker 6: I could actually get a run in, and also allocate 1184 01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:19,440 Speaker 6: two hours, three hours to go out for a run, 1185 01:07:19,770 --> 01:07:23,580 Speaker 6: because I got myself a jogging stroller. We did do 1186 01:07:23,580 --> 01:07:27,480 Speaker 6: a run through Central Park while we visited my parents 1187 01:07:27,780 --> 01:07:31,290 Speaker 6: one weekend, but then I discovered he had allergies. 1188 01:07:32,850 --> 01:07:33,090 Speaker 5: Oh, wow. 1189 01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:38,520 Speaker 6: So it was a learning experience. But I also discovered 1190 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,740 Speaker 6: a local road where I live. So it was crazy. 1191 01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:48,030 Speaker 6: A lot of unpredictability, but that also added to the 1192 01:07:48,030 --> 01:07:50,040 Speaker 6: fun of just getting to Sunday. 1193 01:07:51,210 --> 01:07:53,430 Speaker 5: Just amazing. You're going to look back and say, " How 1194 01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:55,530 Speaker 5: did I do that?" But you have a very well- 1195 01:07:55,530 --> 01:07:58,110 Speaker 5: balanced life, and we're so grateful to have you here, 1196 01:07:58,110 --> 01:07:59,100 Speaker 5: and keep up the great work. 1197 01:07:59,430 --> 01:08:03,480 Speaker 6: Thank you so much. It was an experience, and I 1198 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,380 Speaker 6: went ahead and entered the drawing for the NYC Half 1199 01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:08,670 Speaker 6: in March- 1200 01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:08,671 Speaker 5: Nice. 1201 01:08:08,671 --> 01:08:14,130 Speaker 6: ... because now a half seems like nothing after running 26. 1202 01:08:14,130 --> 01:08:15,930 Speaker 6: 2 miles. I can definitely- 1203 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:16,002 Speaker 5: (inaudible) . 1204 01:08:16,002 --> 01:08:17,490 Speaker 6: ... do a half over and over again. 1205 01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:19,530 Speaker 5: That's the way to do it. Do the full first, 1206 01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:20,520 Speaker 5: and then go to the half. 1207 01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:22,140 Speaker 6: Exactly. 1208 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,460 Speaker 5: Awesome. Wonderful. 1209 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,379 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Sandra, and for being a member 1210 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,450 Speaker 2: of New York Road Runners. Now to the final part 1211 01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:32,490 Speaker 2: of our show, today's Meb Minutes. 1212 01:08:33,689 --> 01:08:37,800 Speaker 5: I know we all loved getting the medals, all getting 1213 01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,250 Speaker 5: the camaraderie of races with people, talk about PRs and 1214 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,000 Speaker 5: how we did, but sometimes the body needs a break. 1215 01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:48,360 Speaker 5: And don't be in a rush to get into competition. 1216 01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:53,460 Speaker 5: Sometimes after a marathon, especially for the lead runners, like we 1217 01:08:53,460 --> 01:08:55,320 Speaker 5: said, you're good as your last race. If you did 1218 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,080 Speaker 5: really well, for example, win the New York City Marathon, you want to 1219 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,650 Speaker 5: sign up for the next Boston Marathon, or London Marathon right 1220 01:09:01,650 --> 01:09:05,430 Speaker 5: away, because you're hot. But also, you need to be 1221 01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:09,180 Speaker 5: able to rejuvenate your body a little bit. For me, it's 1222 01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:11,790 Speaker 5: always been, no matter what the race is, take two 1223 01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:14,430 Speaker 5: weeks off. One week completely off, and then the next 1224 01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:18,269 Speaker 5: week run every other day. I go for walking, I 1225 01:09:18,270 --> 01:09:22,349 Speaker 5: do yoga, I go for cross- training, cycling, or elliptical riding. 1226 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,660 Speaker 5: And sometimes you just get together with friends for easy runs 1227 01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,830 Speaker 5: with friends, and to be able to just go. I 1228 01:09:31,830 --> 01:09:34,110 Speaker 5: know some people say don't take the watch. I like 1229 01:09:34,110 --> 01:09:36,269 Speaker 5: to run the watch, whether it's I ran 30 minutes, 1230 01:09:36,270 --> 01:09:38,460 Speaker 5: but I'm not worried about the pace. Just go out 1231 01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:41,040 Speaker 5: there, say, " I'm..." You know your routines that you have 1232 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,750 Speaker 5: done in the past, " I'm going to do the four- 1233 01:09:42,750 --> 01:09:44,880 Speaker 5: mile loop. Have the watch, but you don't have to 1234 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,310 Speaker 5: worry about, " I have to hit this time." Don't do 1235 01:09:47,310 --> 01:09:51,090 Speaker 5: that. And focus also on people that are in your 1236 01:09:51,090 --> 01:09:54,510 Speaker 5: community. Sometimes we're so busy, so stern on doing our 1237 01:09:54,510 --> 01:09:57,330 Speaker 5: own ways, it's okay to let your hair down a little 1238 01:09:57,510 --> 01:10:00,478 Speaker 5: bit, and join the community runs, because they will appreciate 1239 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,939 Speaker 5: you, to see you, and have fun with them as 1240 01:10:02,939 --> 01:10:10,620 Speaker 5: well. Curiosity is important, of new routes. For me, I 1241 01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:14,670 Speaker 5: am always been stern about my routines, but it's only 1242 01:10:14,670 --> 01:10:16,979 Speaker 5: after I retire, I'm going to say, " Let me see the way this trail goes." Or, " 1243 01:10:16,979 --> 01:10:19,200 Speaker 5: Let me see..." Go out and back, because sometimes I 1244 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,660 Speaker 5: like loops. When I get to the finish line, I don't 1245 01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:22,950 Speaker 5: want to have to add up, so I try to 1246 01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 5: do as much as I can. Out and back, and things like 1247 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,160 Speaker 5: that. But I love trying trails. Be able to go 1248 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,549 Speaker 5: out there, and see something different, and go... Don't worry 1249 01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:36,570 Speaker 5: about the pace, just you there with nature. And remember 1250 01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:40,978 Speaker 5: that recovery doesn't mean doing nothing. It means moving around, 1251 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,000 Speaker 5: doing something that is like stretching, or strength training. Be 1252 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,910 Speaker 5: able to just do something different. Get away from running, 1253 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,210 Speaker 5: but being able to help you do other things that 1254 01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:55,979 Speaker 5: can help you return faster. Don't lose the passion, even 1255 01:10:55,979 --> 01:10:58,500 Speaker 5: though... Keep your heart in it, and your excellence to 1256 01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:03,060 Speaker 5: pursue something, and not just about able to say about 1257 01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:05,189 Speaker 5: time. It's not all about time, it's about getting out 1258 01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:07,800 Speaker 5: there, getting the most out of yourself. Have fun, enjoy 1259 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,890 Speaker 5: it. And sometimes you get two weeks, three weeks out 1260 01:11:10,890 --> 01:11:13,620 Speaker 5: of running, like, " Oh, I miss running." So that's a 1261 01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:15,599 Speaker 5: great thing to be able to just say, " Hey, come 1262 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,270 Speaker 5: back renewed and re- energized." 1263 01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,540 Speaker 2: All right, that does it for another episode of Set 1264 01:11:21,540 --> 01:11:23,910 Speaker 2: The Pace. I want to thank our guest today, Jason 1265 01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:27,900 Speaker 2: Jacobs, Sandra Garcia, and Anthony Ramos. By the way, don't 1266 01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:31,290 Speaker 2: forget to look for Anthony and Kathryn Bigelow's A House 1267 01:11:31,290 --> 01:11:34,320 Speaker 2: of Dynamite, out now on Netflix. And coming up in 1268 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:39,180 Speaker 2: 2026, Ryan Murphy's The Beauty. And Becs, after talking to 1269 01:11:39,180 --> 01:11:41,431 Speaker 2: Anthony today, I will watch anything that he is in. 1270 01:11:41,431 --> 01:11:46,020 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, absolutely. I'm a huge Anthony Ramos fan, and 1271 01:11:46,020 --> 01:11:50,700 Speaker 3: I can confirm, A House of Dynamite is awesome. My mother- in- 1272 01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:53,549 Speaker 3: law actually told me to watch it, and I fully, 1273 01:11:53,610 --> 01:11:57,090 Speaker 3: fully back you all putting your feet up after this 1274 01:11:57,180 --> 01:12:00,150 Speaker 3: wild weekend, and watching that as soon as you can 1275 01:12:00,180 --> 01:12:05,400 Speaker 3: on Netflix. Again, thank you to everybody who helped make 1276 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,420 Speaker 3: this weekend. Just through the roof awesome. All the runners, 1277 01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:14,250 Speaker 3: congratulations on training yourselves so well, and getting to the 1278 01:12:14,250 --> 01:12:20,969 Speaker 3: finish line, and helping make this a world record- breaking marathon. Congratulations. 1279 01:12:20,970 --> 01:12:26,670 Speaker 2: Congratulations, everybody. You did it. Can't be more excited for 1280 01:12:26,670 --> 01:12:28,800 Speaker 2: each and every one of you. So hopefully you've been 1281 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,559 Speaker 2: joining us along the way, we've loved having you. Don't 1282 01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,990 Speaker 2: leave us now. Stay with us. We do this every 1283 01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:36,900 Speaker 2: week. So we'll talk you through your next race, whether 1284 01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:39,870 Speaker 2: it's a 5K or a half- marathon. Please stay with 1285 01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:42,000 Speaker 2: us on Set the Pace, we'd love to have you 1286 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,210 Speaker 2: continue your running journey with us. Thanks for listening everybody. 1287 01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:46,950 Speaker 2: Enjoy the miles. We'll see you next week.