WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-10/06/26 0:00:13.710 --> 0:00:18.369 Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez, 0:00:18.410 --> 0:00:21.730 and we are here live in the studio to talk 0:00:21.730 --> 0:00:24.270 to you, answer questions you might have about the Bible. 0:00:24.429 --> 0:00:29.329 888-564-6173 is our number, not just the Bible, but anything 0:00:29.749 --> 0:00:32.870 having to do with, you know, religion or Christianity or 0:00:32.870 --> 0:00:38.970 church or just about anything. Call in to 888-564-6173. 0:00:39.429 --> 0:00:41.708 Uh, I said we are live in the studio. Well, 0:00:41.830 --> 0:00:43.989 I'm live in the studio and we have a couple 0:00:43.989 --> 0:00:46.310 of guys that are live somewhere else, but they are 0:00:46.310 --> 0:00:49.068 live and they are alive and they are alive in 0:00:49.069 --> 0:00:54.630 Christ as well. So, call in to 888-564-6173. 1 of 0:00:54.630 --> 0:00:59.029 those guys is Brian Broderson, the pastor emeritus of Calvary Chapel, 0:00:59.069 --> 0:01:00.429 Costa Mesa, and the other. 0:01:00.659 --> 0:01:03.979 There is Phil Metzger, the pastor of Calvary San Diego, 0:01:04.279 --> 0:01:09.779 and we're ready. 888-564-6173. What do you want to ask your, 0:01:10.639 --> 0:01:13.069 what question do you want to ask a pastor? I 0:01:13.069 --> 0:01:15.200 shouldn't say your pastor because these two guys may not 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.478 be your pastor, but they are pastors. So call in 0:01:18.719 --> 0:01:24.438 to 888-564-6173. Brian Broderson, hello, what's new, man? 0:01:25.700 --> 0:01:31.059 Hello Brian Perez and Phil Metzger. I am, uh, once 0:01:31.060 --> 0:01:33.479 again on the East Coast and um. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:38.579 Yeah, I had a great weekend in Florida with Cheryl 0:01:38.679 --> 0:01:43.999 and um she spoke for a women's event and I 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.490 uh did a church service on Sunday at 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.359 Calvary Chapel, Palm City and hung out with some good 0:01:51.359 --> 0:01:52.419 friends and. 0:01:53.289 --> 0:01:55.829 Lots of key lime pie, which was really 0:01:56.570 --> 0:02:01.600 Enjoyable, really, I almost sounded like Trump for a second there, but, 0:02:01.609 --> 0:02:07.039 you know, I was near the Donald Trump airport, so that's, uh, 0:02:07.049 --> 0:02:12.839 explains that. And yes, back in, uh, South Carolina and 0:02:13.609 --> 0:02:17.469 Bill and I were on a call together earlier today. So, 0:02:18.180 --> 0:02:20.329 so we've seen each other, but yeah, it's good to 0:02:20.329 --> 0:02:22.290 be here, you know, last week, remember I was sitting 0:02:22.290 --> 0:02:25.409 in that chair right across from you and um. 0:02:26.290 --> 0:02:28.199 Here I am, not there again, but 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.650 It's funny that I'm here in the Zoom, the Zoom studio. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.480 It's funny that you mentioned the Donald Trump Airport because 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.279 I drove by the Donald Trump Golf Club here in 0:02:37.279 --> 0:02:41.279 Southern California yesterday. I was just driving and it's like, whoa, 0:02:41.439 --> 0:02:44.880 there it is. So that was interesting, but, uh, yeah, 0:02:44.990 --> 0:02:46.659 so I was in that neck of the woods. But 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.279 you were, you had key lime pie in Florida. Is 0:02:49.279 --> 0:02:51.559 that what they eat in Key West, Florida? I mean, what, 0:02:51.659 --> 0:02:53.719 what's the connection? Is there a connection or you were 0:02:53.719 --> 0:02:54.799 just talking in general? 0:02:55.499 --> 0:02:59.680 The limes are key, uh, key limes, they're from the Keys, 0:03:00.059 --> 0:03:03.809 and so they have a unique sort of, um, flavor 0:03:03.809 --> 0:03:06.980 to them, but you know, uh, Charleston's big on key 0:03:06.980 --> 0:03:10.260 lime pie too, so it's not exclusively a Florida deal, but. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:12.549 Boy, I'll tell you, it's good. 0:03:13.529 --> 0:03:16.240 You learn something new every day. I had no idea 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.540 they're called key limes because they're from the Keys. Art 0:03:19.540 --> 0:03:22.939 is Kiwi. Is that from the Keys also? I'm joking. 0:03:23.059 --> 0:03:24.299 I'm totally joking about that. 0:03:27.270 --> 0:03:34.329 Kiwie is from New Zland. Yes, yes. All right, Phil Metzger, 0:03:34.449 --> 0:03:37.689 what's new with you, man? I think Brian got away 0:03:37.689 --> 0:03:41.249 from Los Angeles and San Diego because of Donald Trump 0:03:41.249 --> 0:03:44.969 saying we're all going to, uh, we're doomed over here. 0:03:45.169 --> 0:03:48.309 So he went to the East Coast, uh, and he got, 0:03:48.370 --> 0:03:49.100 that's it. 0:03:51.370 --> 0:03:53.840 So I had to just round off all the Trump talk. 0:03:53.889 --> 0:03:56.309 We had a Trump airport, Trump golf course, and then, 0:03:56.490 --> 0:03:59.400 of course, we're in LA and San Diego, and we're, 0:03:59.490 --> 0:04:02.939 we're doomed, apparently. I, I just read that literally on 0:04:03.329 --> 0:04:08.770 on Instagram that Newsom's Newsom's upset because Trump said that 0:04:09.290 --> 0:04:12.650 like Iran could take out LA or San Diego or something. 0:04:13.859 --> 0:04:17.549 Oh, San Diego, come on, not San Diego. Leave us alone. 0:04:17.808 --> 0:04:18.460 Come on. 0:04:21.010 --> 0:04:26.099 888-564-6173 is the number to call and we're gonna go 0:04:26.099 --> 0:04:30.000 right to the phones. Why not? Because we can. Danny 0:04:30.020 --> 0:04:34.819 in Covina listening on K-wave 1110, a couple of options 0:04:34.818 --> 0:04:38.020 here in Southern California to listen on your radio, either 0:04:38.020 --> 0:04:42.799 FM 107.9 or AM 11:10. Danny, welcome to Pastor's Perspective. 0:04:44.289 --> 0:04:46.299 Thank you. What's going on? 0:04:47.310 --> 0:04:51.008 Um, I had a question, uh, Revelation 22:14. 0:04:51.719 --> 0:04:56.599 Uh, blessed are those who do his commandments, that they 0:04:56.599 --> 0:04:59.120 may have the right to the tree of life, and 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.759 they enter the gates into the city. But outside are 0:05:02.758 --> 0:05:09.199 dogs and sorcerers, and sexually immoral murderers and idolaters, and 0:05:09.198 --> 0:05:14.119 whoever loves and practices the life. This is after everybody's 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:15.539 been put into the lake of fire. 0:05:16.750 --> 0:05:18.549 Do these people exist or is this? 0:05:19.299 --> 0:05:23.020 Uh, just a warning in general because it, it sort 0:05:23.020 --> 0:05:25.440 of puts it there where it's like part of the 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.780 chronological narrative. Hm, Brian, what do you say? 0:05:31.419 --> 0:05:35.500 Yeah, I, I would say that they, the outside that 0:05:35.500 --> 0:05:38.440 is referred to is also 0:05:39.190 --> 0:05:42.568 The lake of fire, so you know, there's different. 0:05:43.318 --> 0:05:48.270 Um, metaphors that the scripture uses, um, outer darkness where 0:05:48.270 --> 0:05:52.229 there's weeping and gnashing of teeth, uh, the lake of fire, 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:57.479 and so I think that we're talking about the same place. 0:05:57.599 --> 0:06:03.400 So those outside are those who are, have been cast 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.620 into the lake of fire. Now some people believe that there, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.639 there is an annihilation of 0:06:12.289 --> 0:06:16.568 Each person ultimately and that they will not go on 0:06:16.568 --> 0:06:21.869 suffering endlessly, but there is a point in time when 0:06:22.409 --> 0:06:28.690 their punishment, if you will, will be sufficient for the 0:06:28.690 --> 0:06:33.690 crime and then they will just vanish, go out of existence. 0:06:34.169 --> 0:06:38.400 And there's a, there's a theological debate over that, um, 0:06:38.448 --> 0:06:41.089 but I, I tend to believe even though some people 0:06:41.089 --> 0:06:41.810 think it's 0:06:42.329 --> 0:06:45.650 Too harsh. I do think the scriptures teach that there 0:06:45.650 --> 0:06:51.049 is a separation from God, that people are consciously aware 0:06:51.049 --> 0:06:54.169 of that separation from God forever. 0:06:55.299 --> 0:06:55.819 Phil Metzger. 0:06:56.909 --> 0:06:59.960 Yeah, and I, I, I, I think that that passage 0:06:59.960 --> 0:07:05.068 is speaking to all generations, not just, this isn't, don't 0:07:05.068 --> 0:07:07.429 think of that passage as the timeline of like, wait, 0:07:07.479 --> 0:07:10.309 I thought everything is done and who's, who's left? Who 0:07:10.310 --> 0:07:12.828 is he talking to? I think that this is a recap, 0:07:12.910 --> 0:07:15.280 this is like a, uh, these are part of the 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.840 final thoughts of the book of Revelation. So, when, when 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.440 John writes those things, he's saying that to all of us, right? 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.240 That we would, that we would heed the warnings of God, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.179 that we would put our faith in Jesus. So it's not. 0:07:26.470 --> 0:07:29.229 You know, who's on the outside, he's still talking about all, 0:07:29.310 --> 0:07:32.349 all of us, all people, um, unless we come to 0:07:32.349 --> 0:07:34.848 faith in Christ. So, does that make sense? It's not a, 0:07:35.470 --> 0:07:38.910 he's not talking about after the millennial reign, after this 0:07:38.910 --> 0:07:41.069 and after that, then those people that are still on 0:07:41.069 --> 0:07:43.828 the outside, this is a, a sum, uh, a sum, 0:07:43.910 --> 0:07:46.470 a summation of the whole of, of the book of 0:07:46.470 --> 0:07:48.629 Revelation for us. What do you think, Danny? 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.039 That made more sense to me than some of the 0:07:53.039 --> 0:07:56.770 explanations I was getting. That was my, my thought. I, 0:07:56.919 --> 0:08:00.439 I was curious, um, did you have time for another 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:01.759 just quick question? Sure. 0:08:03.109 --> 0:08:05.319 Uh, in Genesis 3:6. 0:08:05.979 --> 0:08:08.579 Um, hang on, I gotta flip my Bible the other 0:08:08.579 --> 0:08:10.590 way now because I was just in Revelation. Now I 0:08:10.590 --> 0:08:13.270 gotta go all the way to the front. So, Genesis 3:6, 0:08:13.379 --> 0:08:17.150 go ahead. OK, 3:6 where, um, 0:08:18.169 --> 0:08:20.349 Eve is being spoken to by the serpent. 0:08:21.629 --> 0:08:23.929 And uh then she 0:08:24.810 --> 0:08:25.770 Takes the fruit. 0:08:26.410 --> 0:08:29.759 And she gives it to her husband who's with her. 0:08:30.210 --> 0:08:34.328 So was Adam always there just listening silently while the 0:08:34.329 --> 0:08:37.509 serpent was speaking to her, and he just 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.170 Silently just takes it, takes the fruit from her, both 0:08:42.170 --> 0:08:43.290 listening to the serpent. 0:08:44.199 --> 0:08:45.638 Hm, what do you think, Phil? 0:08:46.509 --> 0:08:48.670 I think that um it's a great question, and I, I, 0:08:48.749 --> 0:08:51.059 I think that we put too much into that phrase, 0:08:51.230 --> 0:08:54.139 like for, for one, like, and again, it's a translation issue, 0:08:54.470 --> 0:08:56.748 I would take away the word is with her, like 0:08:56.749 --> 0:08:59.509 when you said that, um, uh she also gave to 0:08:59.509 --> 0:09:02.550 her husband, who, who, uh who is with her, it's 0:09:02.550 --> 0:09:05.100 just says husband with her. My guess is it's just 0:09:05.100 --> 0:09:07.509 a reference to the fact that she was the wife 0:09:07.509 --> 0:09:10.850 of that guy, not, uh, you know, like they're together. 0:09:10.910 --> 0:09:13.109 I think that's just a statement of their togetherness. I 0:09:13.110 --> 0:09:13.988 don't think that's an indication. 0:09:14.259 --> 0:09:17.578 that Adam was just there and listening to this conversation 0:09:17.578 --> 0:09:21.259 between the serpent and Eve. And then, you know, the 0:09:21.259 --> 0:09:23.900 serpent deceived Eve, and then Adam was like, yeah, I'll 0:09:23.900 --> 0:09:26.900 eat it. Ultimately, he did do that, but I, I, I, 0:09:26.980 --> 0:09:29.459 I tend to believe that he probably may not have 0:09:29.460 --> 0:09:31.160 been present. 0:09:31.780 --> 0:09:35.868 Uh, when it actually occurred, but then she gave it 0:09:35.869 --> 0:09:39.110 to her husband who was with her, the one that 0:09:39.110 --> 0:09:41.309 was with her. She gave it to him and he 0:09:41.309 --> 0:09:43.109 ate it that. So I'm not sure that Adam was 0:09:43.110 --> 0:09:45.590 like standing around there just not paying attention, and then 0:09:45.869 --> 0:09:48.790 Eve's like, Hey, eat this. Uh, OK, um, I have 0:09:48.790 --> 0:09:50.949 a feeling that he was not there, and then she 0:09:50.949 --> 0:09:53.470 later offered it to him. What do you think, Brian? 0:09:55.509 --> 0:09:56.480 Yeah, I, I think 0:09:57.328 --> 0:09:59.259 Bill's right, as, uh, you know, as much as we 0:09:59.259 --> 0:10:02.259 could give an educated guess on it, um, it, it 0:10:02.259 --> 0:10:04.738 would be odd, I think, if, 0:10:05.759 --> 0:10:09.280 You know, to think, just to think about, you know, 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.790 Adam and Eve are together, they're going to the garden, 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.889 and then, you know, the serpent just comes up to 0:10:13.889 --> 0:10:16.800 Eve and starts this conversation, and Adam, I don't know, 0:10:16.879 --> 0:10:20.319 what's he doing, like looking at the trees, expecting, inspecting 0:10:20.319 --> 0:10:25.989 some of the other fruit, the devil's, you know, deceiving Eve, 0:10:25.999 --> 0:10:29.319 and then, uh, oh yeah, this, you know, the serpent 0:10:29.319 --> 0:10:32.118 gave me this, told me to eat this one, let's 0:10:32.119 --> 0:10:34.579 try it. I, yeah, I, I think. 0:10:35.350 --> 0:10:38.328 I, I think he wasn't there. Um. 0:10:39.420 --> 0:10:41.710 Where was he? We don't know. And some people have 0:10:41.710 --> 0:10:44.868 even preached sermons on, you know, the fact that he 0:10:44.869 --> 0:10:47.369 wasn't there, that the husband wasn't where he was supposed 0:10:47.369 --> 0:10:50.030 to be, uh, uh, sort of protecting his wife, and 0:10:50.030 --> 0:10:53.819 that's how she ended up in that predicament. So, um, 0:10:53.949 --> 0:10:55.629 but we don't know, but I do, I do think 0:10:55.629 --> 0:11:00.030 the best way to understand, um, who, who was with 0:11:00.030 --> 0:11:03.629 her is with her more in a general sense rather 0:11:03.629 --> 0:11:05.050 than with her at the moment. 0:11:05.879 --> 0:11:07.360 And if you look at, yeah, if you look at 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.839 that verse, Genesis 3:6, the very end, that phrase could 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.439 have been removed and just said she also gave some 0:11:13.439 --> 0:11:17.679 to her husband and he ate it. So, uh, the 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.720 fact that that extra few words is in there, you wonder, well, 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.840 why is that in there? Who I would, I, I 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.839 would even just since we're talking about it, the more 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.040 that I'm thinking on it too. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.800 I would say, yeah, I'm not a, I, I, I 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.600 get the point, like you're right, Brian, I've heard that 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.400 same thing too, like, you know, had Adam been there, you, 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.559 you know, been there, you know, protecting his wife, maybe, 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.670 maybe not, but what I, what I tend to think 0:11:40.670 --> 0:11:44.079 is that like, there's, there's so much power, you know, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.850 like a, a two-fold cor cord is not easily broken, right? 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.840 There's like an accountability that would have been harder to 0:11:51.319 --> 0:11:54.270 Like I, I'm almost, I mean, I'm certain that Adam 0:11:54.270 --> 0:11:57.280 was not there because had he been there, the two 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.040 of them together probably would have been able to say, hey, 0:12:00.139 --> 0:12:03.480 hold on a second, what's going on right now? Not 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.480 because he's stronger, but because, you know, just when you 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.839 have another, yeah, how, I mean, how many of us 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.079 have had the, the ideas that we're like, these are 0:12:10.078 --> 0:12:11.879 the best ideas I've ever had, then you tell it 0:12:11.879 --> 0:12:13.739 to somebody and you're like, that's the worst idea I've 0:12:13.739 --> 0:12:15.988 ever had, cause you just said it out loud to 0:12:15.989 --> 0:12:16.999 somebody else, right? 0:12:17.449 --> 0:12:19.809 And the fact that like Adam wasn't there, there was 0:12:19.809 --> 0:12:23.030 that lack of accountability, that was probably a very significant element. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:30.459 Danny, thanks for your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:35.578 Let's go to Fall. Brooke, speak with Lucretia, listening to 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.579 K Wave there. Hello, Lucretia, what's your question for us today? 0:12:39.869 --> 0:12:43.329 Oh, my question is that, um, I used to be Catholic, 0:12:43.350 --> 0:12:47.189 and I am a Christian, but I do still have 0:12:47.189 --> 0:12:49.989 some friends, Catholics, and they don't know that I'm a Christian. 0:12:50.309 --> 0:12:53.410 But I, um, I have a Bible study with them. 0:12:54.078 --> 0:12:57.720 And so for them, I'm still Catholic. So, um, but 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:02.509 I have a question for you that regarding the, uh, 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:08.949 difference between the Catholic Bible and the Christian Bible, regarding, uh, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:13.340 the Book of Judas, and the Book of Wisdom and 0:13:13.340 --> 0:13:17.040 Zirak and Barak, and all these books that they are 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.220 not in the Christian Bible. 0:13:20.090 --> 0:13:22.970 But, uh, I decided today, I said, OK, I have 0:13:22.970 --> 0:13:25.970 to read this book, so that if they ask me, 0:13:26.090 --> 0:13:29.520 at least I know exactly what's going on. But, um, 0:13:29.530 --> 0:13:33.129 I'm a little confused. I am reading the book of Judith, 0:13:33.770 --> 0:13:38.629 and I find that when is it true, this book? 0:13:39.369 --> 0:13:42.429 Why these books are not included in the Christian Bible? 0:13:43.239 --> 0:13:49.160 Uh, and if it's true, apparently this happened after they 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.360 came back from being slaves. 0:13:52.319 --> 0:13:58.319 Uh, in, um, uh, with the Nabucadeser, right, they, they 0:13:58.319 --> 0:14:01.410 make them slaves. So when they came back, they make 0:14:01.410 --> 0:14:06.090 the temple again. Apparently this happened after the temple, uh, 0:14:06.170 --> 0:14:10.050 the new temple, and, and it's very confusing to me 0:14:10.050 --> 0:14:14.489 because they're talking about the same king, Nebucadezzar. And are 0:14:14.489 --> 0:14:19.730 they two Nobucadezzars, or, or it's different Nobukatesar? Brian, what 0:14:19.730 --> 0:14:20.119 do you say? 0:14:22.790 --> 0:14:27.199 Ah, yeah, so, so first of all, um, those books 0:14:27.199 --> 0:14:30.319 are commonly referred to as the Apocrypha. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:36.160 And um these are books that were, uh, you know, 0:14:36.239 --> 0:14:42.720 they're ancient Jewish literature, but among the Jews there was not. 0:14:43.460 --> 0:14:50.429 Um, agreement as to their significance, um, generally they were 0:14:50.429 --> 0:14:58.090 not seen as, uh, inspired like we would think of, um, in, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.879 in the Jewish Bible. So the Jewish Bible of the time, 0:15:02.970 --> 0:15:06.199 the Hebrew Bible, that Jesus would have. 0:15:07.230 --> 0:15:13.170 Known did not contain those books. Those books were around, 0:15:13.670 --> 0:15:17.590 but they were not seen as part of the canon. 0:15:18.980 --> 0:15:23.660 When the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek 200 years 0:15:23.660 --> 0:15:27.379 before the time of Jesus, in the Greek translation, some 0:15:27.379 --> 0:15:31.780 thought that they were inspired, so they had some sort 0:15:31.780 --> 0:15:34.179 of place in the Greek translation, but they did not 0:15:34.179 --> 0:15:35.999 hold a place in the Hebrew translation. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:41.280 And nor, nor did Jesus or the apostles actually quote 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.400 from them, so. 0:15:44.410 --> 0:15:45.710 The um 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.579 Early Christians followed. 0:15:50.309 --> 0:15:54.040 A set of, a set of books that were established 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.059 that did not contain 0:15:56.910 --> 0:16:02.710 Those books, so they're again they're Hebrew literature. A lot 0:16:02.710 --> 0:16:04.850 of it has to do with um 0:16:06.210 --> 0:16:10.489 You know, sort of in times, prophetic type of stuff, uh, 0:16:10.610 --> 0:16:12.290 but they were not seen as inspired. 0:16:13.020 --> 0:16:15.699 So the book of wisdom, that's different from the book 0:16:15.699 --> 0:16:19.449 of Proverbs, that's in the Protestant Bible. 0:16:20.850 --> 0:16:21.689 Yeah, yeah. 0:16:22.629 --> 0:16:25.329 Yeah, so the Catholic Church, um, 0:16:26.629 --> 0:16:32.939 The Catholic Church reinserted those books as a response to Protestantism. 0:16:33.949 --> 0:16:36.829 So it was at the Council of Trent that it 0:16:36.829 --> 0:16:41.929 was decided that they would reinsert the apocryphal book. So 0:16:42.270 --> 0:16:46.499 the Catholic Bible is based on the translation of Jerome. 0:16:46.989 --> 0:16:51.309 So Jerome is a 4th century church father who was 0:16:51.309 --> 0:16:55.829 a scholar, and he translates the scriptures from Hebrew and 0:16:55.829 --> 0:16:57.309 Greek into Latin. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.199 So this is, we, we call it the Latin vulgate, 0:17:00.319 --> 0:17:03.840 meaning the ah the common Latin. 0:17:04.639 --> 0:17:10.559 And so Roman Catholicism used the Vulgate as their basis 0:17:10.559 --> 0:17:14.439 for their translation. So the English translation of the Catholic 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.239 Bible comes from the Vulgate rather than from the Greek text, 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.200 which the Protestant Bible comes from the Greek text, and 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:26.200 Jerome did not um. 0:17:28.388 --> 0:17:33.580 Believe that those apocryphal books were part of the canon, 0:17:33.629 --> 0:17:36.950 and the canon means those those books that were identified 0:17:36.950 --> 0:17:40.790 and recognized as inspired. Jerome did not believe that they were, 0:17:41.070 --> 0:17:43.709 but he did believe that they were, they could be helpful, 0:17:44.190 --> 0:17:48.228 so he put them in the Vulgate, not, he didn't 0:17:48.229 --> 0:17:52.388 intersperse them into the Old Testament, but he put them 0:17:52.388 --> 0:17:55.790 in a section by themselves, and so those books were 0:17:55.790 --> 0:17:57.950 in the Vulgate, but they were separated. 0:17:58.420 --> 0:18:02.770 Uh, to mark the fact that they were not, um, 0:18:03.138 --> 0:18:07.580 inspired like the rest of the text was. Phil, did 0:18:07.580 --> 0:18:10.810 you have any wisdom to add to that yourself? Nope, no, 0:18:10.888 --> 0:18:13.820 that was great. Yeah, what, um, what that, that last 0:18:13.820 --> 0:18:16.619 thing Brian was mentioning there is for the Catholic faith, 0:18:16.638 --> 0:18:21.138 they have two groupings of what they would call canonical 0:18:21.138 --> 0:18:22.439 or canon scripture. 0:18:22.979 --> 0:18:26.419 The original proto and then the Deutero they call it 0:18:26.420 --> 0:18:29.089 the second canon, which is what happened at the Council 0:18:29.089 --> 0:18:32.540 of Trent in the 1500s. So yeah, yeah, it's, uh, 0:18:32.780 --> 0:18:35.020 those books were around for a long, long time but 0:18:35.020 --> 0:18:38.060 not quoted by the, the, the, the apostles or the 0:18:38.060 --> 0:18:42.379 New Testament. Um, that was a great answer that Brian gave. Fantastic. Lucretia, 0:18:42.450 --> 0:18:45.138 thank you for your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective. Oh, 0:18:45.209 --> 0:18:47.849 go ahead, ask her though, sure, if that helps that help. 0:18:48.070 --> 0:18:49.219 Does it help you, Lucretia? 0:18:50.540 --> 0:18:55.420 Oh, yes, yes, they, they do, um, but I still 0:18:55.420 --> 0:18:59.300 have to be careful with my, um, Bible study group 0:18:59.300 --> 0:19:04.609 because they are all Catholics, and, and this is in Spanish, uh, consequently, um, 0:19:04.739 --> 0:19:08.729 it's not that common that people have Bible study in Spanish. Consequently, 0:19:08.780 --> 0:19:12.638 I have this group of people, uh, from a Catholic church. 0:19:12.900 --> 0:19:14.540 So when you say you have to be careful, what 0:19:14.540 --> 0:19:15.759 do you mean by be careful? 0:19:17.229 --> 0:19:21.229 Uh, because they are so afraid. Catholic Church has so 0:19:21.229 --> 0:19:27.030 much fear that the Christians are not the real, um, 0:19:27.430 --> 0:19:31.550 you know, religion, that the real God is, is really, 0:19:31.660 --> 0:19:34.909 they have been taught a lot of lies. I know, 0:19:34.950 --> 0:19:37.129 they're lies, but I cannot tell them, look, this is 0:19:37.270 --> 0:19:41.070 a lie, because they might not trust me anymore. So 0:19:41.070 --> 0:19:43.330 it's kind of a very delicate issue. 0:19:43.790 --> 0:19:47.560 And I already have problem for a little bit there, 0:19:47.759 --> 0:19:50.280 so I just don't want to touch that. I'm just 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.680 going to focus just in the Bible and period. And 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:58.109 we have a Christian Bible and, and that's that. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:03.440 that's good. And remember, remember that the, um, the New 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.320 Testament is identical, so there's no difference between the Catholic 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:08.719 New Testament and the. 0:20:10.239 --> 0:20:14.099 Protestant New Testament, um, they're the same, the same number 0:20:14.099 --> 0:20:17.409 of books. There's some translation differences of words and things, 0:20:17.499 --> 0:20:21.499 but they're minor, uh, in many, many ways. In most 0:20:21.499 --> 0:20:24.530 ways they're very minor. They're, you know, theological, but they 0:20:24.530 --> 0:20:31.080 wouldn't necessarily be picked up by, you know, the average person. So, 0:20:31.138 --> 0:20:34.420 if you, if you're focusing on the New Testament, then 0:20:34.420 --> 0:20:35.479 you don't have anything. 0:20:35.820 --> 0:20:38.869 To worry about and then there's so many other books 0:20:38.869 --> 0:20:42.249 of the Old Testament, you know, I don't know why 0:20:42.670 --> 0:20:45.959 you would even need to go into the apocryphal books 0:20:45.959 --> 0:20:48.749 because um there are so many others. When I first 0:20:48.749 --> 0:20:54.189 became a Christian, I had been um reading my Catholic 0:20:54.190 --> 0:20:58.830 Bible because I was raised in Roman Catholicism and in 0:20:58.830 --> 0:21:02.030 kind of my journey of coming to uh faith in 0:21:02.030 --> 0:21:02.649 Jesus I. 0:21:03.770 --> 0:21:07.209 Sort of went back to my roots in Catholicism and 0:21:07.209 --> 0:21:09.248 so I had a Catholic Bible and I read it 0:21:09.489 --> 0:21:12.409 and I remember uh then, you know, coming to really 0:21:12.410 --> 0:21:17.290 know the Lord and I remember, um, you know, finding 0:21:17.290 --> 0:21:23.969 out that, uh, Daniel uh only had 12 chapters, not 0:21:23.969 --> 0:21:27.910 14 chapters in my Catholic Bible, Daniel had 14 chapters. 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:32.359 And there was um an additional story there that I 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.520 thought was amazing, and yet I found out later it 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.399 was more of a myth that was sort of tacked 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.099 on to the end of Daniel, so. 0:21:40.300 --> 0:21:40.709 Anyway, 0:21:42.629 --> 0:21:44.530 Stick with the New Testament and you won't. 0:21:45.469 --> 0:21:47.690 You won't have any, any trouble. 0:21:48.589 --> 0:21:50.869 This is true. Lucretia, thank you for your phone call 0:21:50.869 --> 0:21:53.229 today on Pastor's Perspective, and I will talk to Paul 0:21:53.229 --> 0:21:56.499 in Riverside who watches us on YouTube. So let's wave 0:21:56.499 --> 0:22:01.349 hi to Paul. Thank you, Paul, for calling 888-564-6173. 0:22:02.619 --> 0:22:05.379 Oh, thank you for taking my call. Um, I'm studying 0:22:05.379 --> 0:22:08.259 the book of Judges in the chapter 14 verse 1 0:22:08.259 --> 0:22:13.349 to 3. Samson wants a wife from the Philistines, and 0:22:13.349 --> 0:22:16.389 uh verse 3, his mom and dad trying to convince 0:22:16.388 --> 0:22:18.969 her that it's not a good idea. What I'm concerned 0:22:18.969 --> 0:22:23.020 is verse 4. It says, um, mom and dad, they 0:22:23.020 --> 0:22:26.849 don't know this is of the Lord. What does that mean? 0:22:29.339 --> 0:22:31.459 His parents did not know that this is from the Lord, 0:22:31.540 --> 0:22:35.499 that Samson, Samson said to his father, get her for me, 0:22:35.619 --> 0:22:38.139 she's the right one for me. His parents didn't know 0:22:38.138 --> 0:22:41.119 that this was from the Lord. Phil, what does that mean? 0:22:41.790 --> 0:22:44.550 Yeah, that's, yeah, I, I could see where that would 0:22:44.550 --> 0:22:48.070 be confusing, very, very good question because it, it reads 0:22:48.070 --> 0:22:51.989 kind of confusing. The idea is that God was working 0:22:51.989 --> 0:22:56.190 something out. He was gonna, even through Samson's disobedience, the 0:22:56.190 --> 0:22:58.988 Lord was still working, and so his parents are kind 0:22:58.989 --> 0:23:01.749 of unaware of it, and so, but they didn't know 0:23:01.749 --> 0:23:03.869 that it was of the Lord, not meaning that God, 0:23:03.950 --> 0:23:06.869 it was like that the, the, the direct will of God, 0:23:06.950 --> 0:23:10.349 but that God was going to use this for his purposes. So, 0:23:10.670 --> 0:23:14.458 It's a bit of a tricky way of saying that, uh, it, 0:23:14.670 --> 0:23:16.629 but it, it just simply means his parents were trying 0:23:16.629 --> 0:23:18.709 to do what they knew was right, but they didn't 0:23:18.709 --> 0:23:21.219 know that this was also going to be used of God. 0:23:22.940 --> 0:23:23.879 Does that make sense, Paul? 0:23:24.989 --> 0:23:27.349 Yeah, it is. It's what I thought. It is uh 0:23:27.349 --> 0:23:32.388 similar to when God order the prophet, uh, what it 0:23:32.388 --> 0:23:34.050 was Josea to marry a prostitute. 0:23:36.900 --> 0:23:39.749 Um, well, I don't know. Yeah, go ahead, Brian. Yeah, please, 0:23:39.950 --> 0:23:40.690 please go ahead. 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.080 Yeah, I, I don't, I don't think it's, it's that 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:51.429 similar because remember the prostitute that God was calling Hosea 0:23:51.430 --> 0:23:54.599 to marry was his wife who had gone into prostitution 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:59.229 and he was calling him to take her back. So, um, 0:23:59.599 --> 0:24:02.259