Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, the 18th of June, and look at that.
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Speaker 1: But I will do that right now, so that, uh, well, first,
Speaker 1: let me introduce my panel here, and then I'll fix
Speaker 1: my phone. We've got Brian Broderson, pastor of Calvary Chapel,
Speaker 1: Costa Mesa in Southern California, and author and apologist, Doctor
Speaker 1: Bobby Conway, the pastor of Image Church in, uh, San Juan. No.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Charlotte, North Carolina. I get the image church
Speaker 1: is confused, so to this day. And then did you
Speaker 1: catch that you said I am the pastor of Gri
Speaker 1: Chapel Costas? Actually I said pastor, not the pastor, but
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't say a pastor I think you said.
Speaker 1: No, I think I said I, I did just say pastor,
Speaker 1: but that opens it up to it could be watch
Speaker 1: YouTube and then send it to you and show you
Speaker 1: that you said it's OK because I was the pastor,
Speaker 1: but for a long time, yes, and now you're a pastor. Yes.
Speaker 1: Hey Bobby, hey bud, you got the, got the prison
Speaker 1: gear on looking good.
Speaker 2: Yes, my wife says I look like what are those
Speaker 2: guys called in Italy, the,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the gondola gondola gondola.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 1: gondola looks like Elvis Presley in jailhouse that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: That was the. I got it in Italy. It's a
Speaker 2: nice comfortable Italian made threads. Very good. All right,
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Speaker 1: Got the uh conference. Calvary Chapel.com coming up. Well, that's
Speaker 1: where you got registered. What is it, Brian? Well, pastors
Speaker 1: and leaders conference, yeah, um, we're actually kind of rebranding
Speaker 1: it as a ministry conference which
Speaker 1: We did intentionally to broaden it because we wanted to
Speaker 1: offer encouragement and so forth to not just senior pastors,
Speaker 1: but to, of course, you know, other
Speaker 1: Of the pastoral staff at churches, but also to the
Speaker 1: different ministries, the youth ministry and the uh worship teams
Speaker 1: and the children's ministry and you know all the different
Speaker 1: aspects of ministry we have.
Speaker 1: Uh, something special for each of them coming up at
Speaker 1: this conference. The theme of the conference is the way forward,
Speaker 1: ministry according to Jesus. And so we're looking at that
Speaker 1: great uh passage of scripture, those chapters in John chapters
Speaker 1: 13 through 17, where Jesus very intimately encourages his uh
Speaker 1: closest disciples about the ministry as as he returns to heaven.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, sends them out into the world. So,
Speaker 1: so that that'll be the text that we're covering and
Speaker 1: you know, the conferences consist of main session teaching, they
Speaker 1: consist of, uh, great workshops that are more specialized like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, uh, really sweet times of worship and prayer
Speaker 1: and a big thing that we focus on is fellowship.
Speaker 1: You know, you come, we, we got people coming from
Speaker 1: all over the world, so it's great.
Speaker 1: Um, to get together, people that you haven't seen maybe
Speaker 1: for some time to just hang out together, just have fun, uh,
Speaker 1: have some coffee, sit around, catch up, uh, all of
Speaker 1: those things are what happens at a conference. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm looking forward to that, and that is actually
Speaker 1: kicking off this Sunday evening. So Sunday night we do
Speaker 1: like a, a kind of it's almost like a soft launch,
Speaker 1: you know, where we get together and it's basically just
Speaker 1: kind of to prepare our hearts.
Speaker 1: For the week we worship, we pray together, and then
Speaker 1: Monday morning is when we really jump into the schedule. So,
Speaker 1: but as you said, conference.covery chapel.com is the place where
Speaker 1: you can get all the details and you can register
Speaker 1: still and of course we will have um registration on
Speaker 1: the day for people who just can't get around to
Speaker 1: registering now and will have to come and register there, but, um,
Speaker 1: that will be fine.
Speaker 1: But this year we are at Reliance Church in Temecula, California.
Speaker 1: So for, for many, many years we've been here with
Speaker 1: the conference and we decided to move it around a
Speaker 1: bit so we're out in Temecula and bring your shorts
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be warm.
Speaker 1: If it's warm today, you can imagine what it'll be
Speaker 1: like next week. Yes, yes, indeed. All right, conference. Calvary
Speaker 1: Chapel.com to get the details. And, uh, let's get to
Speaker 1: some of your questions now, starting with one that was
Speaker 1: sent in on Facebook. This is from Joe and Orange.
Speaker 1: It's more of a prayer request, but um it's kind
Speaker 1: of a question in here too. So Joe says, I'm
Speaker 1: asking for prayer in my family's healing.
Speaker 1: Earlier this year, January, I had to report a sexual
Speaker 1: abuse case for my granddaughter to police. My daughter didn't
Speaker 1: believe her own daughter's words about what was happening. After
Speaker 1: police and CPS backed off, she moved closer to her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: who was the abuser. We haven't seen or heard from
Speaker 1: my daughter or grandchild since April. I would like them
Speaker 1: to come back where it is safe.
Speaker 1: So Joe's asking for a question uh prayer, but I
Speaker 1: guess the question is what can Joe do in the
Speaker 1: meantime as he's navigating this? Of course, pray, but
Speaker 1: You know,
Speaker 1: Is there anything else, Brian, what do you think?
Speaker 1: That, that's really tough and um I, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it sounds like the
Speaker 1: The legal angle has.
Speaker 1: Not produced what it seemed like it it should have
Speaker 1: in this case.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I, you can never go wrong
Speaker 1: praying and you can, uh, in certain circumstances, you really
Speaker 1: can't do anything else. So you can ask God to
Speaker 1: protect the child. You can ask God to expose what's
Speaker 1: really going on, uh, you can ask God to open
Speaker 1: the eyes of the mother to the realization that no, this,
Speaker 1: this is really happening and what is she doing with
Speaker 1: this guy and oh my goodness, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh, and, and God hears our prayer. So, so don't
Speaker 1: lose heart, uh, don't grow weary in praying, keep praying
Speaker 1: and see what the Lord will do. Yeah, so if
Speaker 1: everybody could please keep Joe and his family in your prayers,
Speaker 1: that'd be excellent.
Speaker 1: And, uh, here's one more that was sent in online
Speaker 1: before we go to the phones. It's from Kimberly. Why
Speaker 1: are there many Christians who use curse words? I have
Speaker 1: a few really godly friends whom I look up to,
Speaker 1: but in recent months, I've heard them use a curse
Speaker 1: word at least once. I was extremely.
Speaker 1: To hear a foul word come out of their mouth.
Speaker 1: What was more shocking was how nonchalantly it was said.
Speaker 1: They didn't apologize or seem to be convicted by saying it.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I thought our words should be
Speaker 1: with grace and with the same mouth that we praise
Speaker 1: the Lord, we shouldn't curse others. I didn't take it
Speaker 1: too seriously because they weren't cursing someone or cursing at someone.
Speaker 1: They were simply using the curse word in conversation.
Speaker 1: They also didn't speak this way in front of a
Speaker 1: large group. It always happened in a small group setting
Speaker 1: of people they trust, but I still don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm new to learning God's grace and the freedom we
Speaker 1: have in Christ. I've been walking with the Lord for
Speaker 1: about 4 years. I try not to judge them.
Speaker 1: I would just love to see what you guys think
Speaker 1: about this. PS I'm not talking about Christians who struggle
Speaker 1: with being pure and living in all sorts of sin,
Speaker 1: because I know those kinds of Christians, and they curse
Speaker 1: almost every day. They're easy to figure out. I'm talking
Speaker 1: specifically about Christian leaders in the church who strive to
Speaker 1: be like Christ and be holy in all their conduct
Speaker 1: like he is holy. Bobby, what would you say to Kimberly?
Speaker 2: I, it, it definitely is something that can create a
Speaker 2: sense of confusion, especially for a newer believer. Uh, I
Speaker 2: think what ends up happening in our culture, it is
Speaker 2: very compromised in a lot of ways. I mean, you
Speaker 2: even think about just today's youth, I mean, many of them.
Speaker 2: Just have no shame whatsoever about living with their boyfriend
Speaker 2: or girlfriend. They just don't think that's a big deal
Speaker 2: or having, you know, sex before marriage. It's just no
Speaker 2: big deal. But uh it might not be a big
Speaker 2: deal to them, but if you look at the Bible,
Speaker 2: God cares a lot about sexuality. He also cares about
Speaker 2: our words. The Bible says that we will be accountable for.
Speaker 2: All the words that come out of our mouth, and
Speaker 2: that's pretty frightening if you think about it. Uh, there's
Speaker 2: people that just can end up getting in a habit
Speaker 2: of using language and I think it's important that we
Speaker 2: realize that people are listening to our words, God hears
Speaker 2: our words, and our words are the overflow of our heart,
Speaker 2: and we will be accountable to them. Uh, I, I,
Speaker 2: so the place of language, this, this can be, um,
Speaker 2: You know, something that people end up talking about where
Speaker 2: I've heard the conversations too, and I think, wow, it's,
Speaker 2: we're just kind of minimizing this here, like as if
Speaker 2: our words don't matter, our words matter and our actions
Speaker 2: do matter. Is there ever an appropriate place for it?
Speaker 2: So some would say Paul used the word skubala, which
Speaker 2: would be, uh, you know, basically the Sword.
Speaker 2: Uh, but when he's using it, if that is basically
Speaker 2: a foul word, uh, if, if someone took that stance, uh,
Speaker 2: it would be in a setting where, you know what,
Speaker 2: it's like calling what is is in that sense. But
Speaker 2: when people end up, uh, using a language just freely
Speaker 2: cussing all the time, I just don't think it's a
Speaker 2: good habit.
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, since we're going to
Speaker 2: be held accountable, that's the one argument that people might
Speaker 2: bring up like is there ever a place where it's
Speaker 2: just fitting and that can be an interesting discussion, uh,
Speaker 2: to go into, um, but I, I know that people
Speaker 2: will pull out different Bible references for that, but I
Speaker 2: bring that up saying.
Speaker 2: It's better just to err on the side of just speaking.
Speaker 2: Appropriate words
Speaker 1: Any thoughts, Brian?
Speaker 1: Um, yeah, I, I mean, I agree with, with Bobby.
Speaker 1: The the only thing I would say, which is not
Speaker 1: contrary to what Bobby said, but I would, I would
Speaker 1: be curious about what are the words that are being
Speaker 1: referred to here, because I, I think there are some
Speaker 1: words that truly are inappropriate and I think there are
Speaker 1: other words that are, are not, I mean they're just,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 1: Their, their words. I, I think, you know, obviously we
Speaker 1: don't want to get graphic here on, on here, but
Speaker 1: I think, you know, when you're when you uh use
Speaker 1: that like the S word, Bobby referred to the Sword. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many different
Speaker 1: Ways of referring to this what we're talking about here,
Speaker 1: you know, there's the, there's the C word that is
Speaker 1: the equivalent of the S word, more commonly accepted, and there, yes,
Speaker 1: and then there's the P word, P O OP and
Speaker 1: you know, so it's like, so I, I wonder sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like, OK, why is the S word like we're,
Speaker 1: we're all talking, we're talking about the same stuff. These
Speaker 1: are like 5 different ways to describe the same.
Speaker 1: Gross stuff, the stuff that I picked up in my
Speaker 1: backyard today that my dog left, uh, in the backyard. Um,
Speaker 1: so I, you know, that's the one that I, I
Speaker 1: sometimes wonder like, OK, how, you know, how, how it
Speaker 1: is that that we, we have this sort of graded, um,
Speaker 1: thing and.
Speaker 1: And you know, Bobby, if you go back and you
Speaker 1: think of somebody like Martin Luther, you know, and he,
Speaker 1: he used the S word quite, quite freely and, you know,
Speaker 1: found it very appropriate in many circumstances. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there, there are words that I
Speaker 1: think are clearly words that are that cross the line
Speaker 1: and that coming out of the mouth of, of, of a,
Speaker 1: of a mature Christian, I think, well, that doesn't seem.
Speaker 1: You know that that doesn't seem right. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that I base, I, I mean,
Speaker 1: scriptures says let no filthy language proceed out of your
Speaker 1: mouth and so forth, but then again, OK, well what
Speaker 1: are we talking about? I think a lot of it, um,
Speaker 1: the references are to kind of sexual innuendo, you know,
Speaker 1: things that refer to.
Speaker 1: That's that that sort of thing. But I do know
Speaker 1: that when I became a Christian, before I became a Christian,
Speaker 1: I talked just like everybody else and used all those
Speaker 1: words freely and frequently. And when I became a Christian,
Speaker 1: I stopped and I didn't stop.
Speaker 1: Because somebody told me to stop, and I didn't stop
Speaker 1: because I tried to stop. It just disappeared from my vocabulary.
Speaker 1: And so I think, well, that's something that God obviously did.
Speaker 1: So why, why would I want to reintroduce into my
Speaker 1: vocabulary something the Lord extracted from it?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: I mean, it, it could because if anything, well, you know,
Speaker 2: most people probably won't think much of it, but there
Speaker 2: will be people that might get confused by it. Um,
Speaker 2: I do think that, that if somebody was thoughtful, though,
Speaker 2: like what you're saying and said, so there's a difference
Speaker 2: where I can see like, for example, somebody used the
Speaker 2: S word or the P word.
Speaker 2: Uh, what, what or the C word all referring to
Speaker 2: the same thing. I don't think because somebody leveraged S
Speaker 2: instead of C or P that now they've sent, if
Speaker 2: it's used to describe what S, C, and P is.
Speaker 2: But if you call somebody S C or P.
Speaker 2: Now you're using a word in a put down way.
Speaker 2: So there's like guys and gal anatomy, there's different words
Speaker 2: that can be used and they can be synonymous, but
Speaker 2: those words represent what
Speaker 2: That anatomy is when you call somebody else the anatomy
Speaker 2: in a put down way, I can see that being simple. Uh,
Speaker 2: I just think it's a, uh, is it the best
Speaker 2: use of words? Is it gonna, is it, is it,
Speaker 2: is it the most tasteful? Is it the way you
Speaker 2: want your kids talking, so to speak, but I don't
Speaker 2: think it's sin in the same way as if you
Speaker 2: use the word words have a context. That's exactly what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and, and, you know, Paul's, um,
Speaker 1: Paul's word to the Ephesians, you know, um.
Speaker 1: Let no degrading speech proceed from your mouth. So he's
Speaker 1: talking about speech that degrades, speech that is, um, intended
Speaker 1: to say something negative about a person. So, and you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to use curse words to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's other words too, so true. So yeah, we're,
Speaker 1: but rather words that edify words that build up. So
Speaker 1: and that is something that Kimberly mentioned in her email,
Speaker 1: she said.
Speaker 1: Uh, these people were not cursing someone, they were just
Speaker 1: using the words in general. So yeah, and you know, um.
Speaker 1: I think there, you know, there's a, there's a, there
Speaker 1: really is a cultural thing here too, because I've been
Speaker 1: in places where, um, you know, people will use words freely, um,
Speaker 1: that I, I wouldn't use. It's, it's just like this
Speaker 1: is just the word they use, which I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the best choice of words, but it's the word
Speaker 1: they use. So, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think the, the real key is
Speaker 1: derogatory speech or, or blasphemous speech, things like that are,
Speaker 1: are really the things that, um, and, and like you said, Bobby,
Speaker 1: I think the anatomy thing is, is good, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're calling somebody a, you know, a part of,
Speaker 1: of the male anatomy or, or whatever, you know, the
Speaker 1: female or or both or whatever, you know, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Uh, it just seems like.
Speaker 1: Um,
Speaker 1: You know, what's that, what's that proverb about, um.
Speaker 1: Like, uh, pearls or, uh, it's something about a swine
Speaker 1: and pearls, you know, they, they kind of really don't
Speaker 1: go together in the pig's snout, the, the, the ring
Speaker 1: and a gold ring and a pig's snout, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you know, somebody using that kind of speech,
Speaker 1: and I, I think it's actually a woman that's being
Speaker 1: referred to in the, in the proverb, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a gold ring and a pig snout. Uh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't go, doesn't fit. It's not supposed to be there.
Speaker 2: That's a good way of looking at it too.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed. Now we have calls that we want to
Speaker 1: get to, so that we don't want to keep going
Speaker 1: on this, but I, I just really quick, uh, Kimberly
Speaker 1: mentioned she's been a new believer, uh, she's been walking
Speaker 1: with the Lord for about 4 years, but in recent months,
Speaker 1: she's seeing this. So I don't know if she's saying
Speaker 1: that when she's gathered with these people before for small
Speaker 1: groups or whatever, this didn't happen and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it seems to have come out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: So is it that they're trying to be
Speaker 1: hip and cool and trendy and reaching a younger generation
Speaker 1: for Jesus by talking the way they do. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. What would you? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like people in our culture today. They're
Speaker 2: just maybe.
Speaker 2: Maybe going too far in some ways, but there could
Speaker 2: have been some legalism and about some things, but then
Speaker 2: now people are feeling freed up and now they're shifting
Speaker 2: into a little bit of license that I think can
Speaker 2: happen and
Speaker 2: Uh, the danger will be is we'll shift back into
Speaker 2: legalism again, and we just need to learn how to
Speaker 2: walk holy and humbly and not be legalistic.
Speaker 1: And I, and I think if you're, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're doing it even subconsciously to be cool or to
Speaker 1: fit in or to, yeah, then that's automatically the wrong,
Speaker 1: the wrong thing to be doing, you know what I mean? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: All right, we could take the entire show talking about this.
Speaker 1: We almost have. Uh, Kimberly, thank you for your question
Speaker 1: today on Pastor's perspective. Now let's go to the phones.
Speaker 1: Here is Rudy calling in from Baldwin Park, California. Hi there, Rudy,
Speaker 1: welcome to Pastor's Perspective.
Speaker 1: Hi, Pastor, thank you for taking my call. You bet.
Speaker 1: What's going on? How can we help you? What are
Speaker 1: you wondering about today?
Speaker 1: I just finished reading the book of Job, and what
Speaker 1: I was wondering is Leviathan symbolic or is it actually
Speaker 1: a real creature? And my second question is, what are
Speaker 1: the signs when the Antichrist comes into power? What are
Speaker 1: the first signs that we can recognize them as Antichrist?
Speaker 1: Those are my two questions. Brian.
Speaker 1: Mhm.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, those are good questions. Well, the first one
Speaker 1: I think is easy. Leviathan is, uh, in Job, Leviathan
Speaker 1: is an actual creature, and so you, he, there's a
Speaker 1: pretty clear description given, uh, of Leviathan in Job. And
Speaker 1: so I think that it's a, you know, some sort
Speaker 1: of a, seems like a dinosaur of some sort, but
Speaker 1: a a water, um, dinosaur.
Speaker 1: And then you have the behemoth described as well there.
Speaker 1: So I think both of those are, you know, the
Speaker 1: Lord is even saying like, you know, check these out.
Speaker 1: I mean, and these using them to illustrate something. But
Speaker 1: then there's other places where Leviathan is used, and Leviathan
Speaker 1: is used symbolically of uh Satan. And in Isaiah, for example,
Speaker 1: there's uh references to Leviathan, and the references there are
Speaker 1: um
Speaker 1: Uh, figurative and speaking of of Satan.
Speaker 1: All right, and his anti-Christ question?
Speaker 1: Bobby, you most recently taught the Book of Revelation, so.
Speaker 1: Tell us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so some of this is gonna obviously depend on
Speaker 2: one's eschatology, uh, you know, so there's some people that
Speaker 2: have different interpretations as it relates to the book of
Speaker 2: Revelation and the way things will pan out.
Speaker 2: Uh, but if somebody is a believer and they hold
Speaker 2: to a pre-trib, which I hope is the correct view, uh,
Speaker 2: then the Christians will be out of here and they
Speaker 2: won't even have to worry about recognizing, uh, the anti-Christ, uh,
Speaker 2: but at the midpoint of the tribulation, if, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: people are left behind, uh, and they wanted to know.
Speaker 2: Uh, there'll be things that you have to be mindful of, like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the, the, the mark of the beast taking
Speaker 2: the mark or even when, um, you know, the anti-Christ
Speaker 2: kind of sets up and the abomination of desolation takes
Speaker 2: place at the midpoint. Um, you know, if you're a
Speaker 2: preacher ever ever, uh, here's a good sign that that
Speaker 2: this is going to happen if the church is gone.
Speaker 2: If you, if you're a preacher, uh, if, if, if,
Speaker 2: if you have people that believed in pre-trib and then
Speaker 2: Jesus returns, you can know that this is gonna happen
Speaker 2: pretty quick if the church is out of the place,
Speaker 2: which is astonishing on that view, right? Like to think that,
Speaker 2: but you, we've seen it in the Bible that
Speaker 2: she can be so large. You think that everybody would
Speaker 2: have been warned by their loved ones that are Christians, right?
Speaker 2: That would, that, hey, um, Jesus is coming, you can
Speaker 2: come anytime. Uh, you want to escape the tribulation, and
Speaker 2: then Jesus comes, they reject it, and then they would
Speaker 2: still reject the fact that all these signs are still
Speaker 2: happening right before them.
Speaker 2: That is a, it's astonishing, but it, you do see
Speaker 2: these moments in scripture where the hardness of the heart
Speaker 2: can be just so overwhelming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I, and I think personally, I think we
Speaker 1: have uh there there was always a question.
Speaker 1: In, in the back of a lot of people's minds, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how could, how could the whole world be duped?
Speaker 1: How could the whole world be brought under the control
Speaker 1: of a, of a single person? And I think with
Speaker 1: the events that have happened in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: 10 years, I think those questions have been answered. We
Speaker 1: see how this could actually, uh, roll out pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: And like you said, Bobby, the, the inclination toward deception is,
Speaker 1: it's astounding.
Speaker 1: Uh, how people will just get swept up in, in
Speaker 1: the moment and especially if you have a person who
Speaker 1: comes on the scene who seems to be like the solution,
Speaker 1: he has a solution to everything. It's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, sign me up. I'm gonna be part of
Speaker 1: what this guy's doing. You can see that so easily
Speaker 1: these days.
Speaker 1: Very true, uh, Rudy, thank you for your phone call
Speaker 1: today on Pastor's Perspective. And now let's go to Joe,
Speaker 1: who's watching us on YouTube and Riverside. Hey, Joe, what
Speaker 1: did you want to know?
Speaker 1: Hi, pastors. Um, yeah, in Luke chapter 17, in the
Speaker 1: whole chapter, it looks like, I mean, it looks like
Speaker 1: there is almost 56 different themes to the chapter. Is
Speaker 1: that the case or is it, or is everything connected?
Speaker 1: It's something I'm missing.
Speaker 1: Uh, give us an example. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: OK, uh, let me see, sorry, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at it, let me see. Well, it's
Speaker 1: like the first two verses talk about it'd be better
Speaker 1: if a millstone were hung around the neck of someone
Speaker 1: who's um uh is it offends, yes, I was reading
Speaker 1: that out of order, sorry about that. And then um
Speaker 1: if your brother sins against you, rebuke him, uh, and
Speaker 1: then the part about the mustard seed. So you're saying
Speaker 1: it almost seems like individual thoughts, but are they supposed
Speaker 1: to be all taken together, is that what you mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just wondered if there's something I'm missing
Speaker 1: because I'm, you know, because
Speaker 2: it looks like they're
Speaker 1: totally different themes,
Speaker 2: but pushed into
Speaker 1: just, you know, 10 verses. Is that 10
Speaker 1: verses
Speaker 2: altogether? And Brian, what do you say it's kind of
Speaker 2: just under the category of Jesus teaching how to live
Speaker 2: out the kingdom life and here's some different things that
Speaker 2: are subjects that fall under what that looks like from
Speaker 2: a big idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he, you know, he jumps from, um, you know,
Speaker 1: he
Speaker 1: Then he said to the disciples, uh, it is impossible
Speaker 1: that no offenses should come, but woe to him through
Speaker 1: whom they do come, so he's, uh, giving a warning
Speaker 1: that could be connected back to the previous chapter. But then, um,
Speaker 1: the apostles, so then it changes in verse 5, the
Speaker 1: apostle said, Lord, increase our faith. So then he talks
Speaker 1: to them about
Speaker 1: Um, you know, their faith being increased, but then you
Speaker 1: go in verse 11 to the, a whole new story,
Speaker 1: now it happened as he went to Jerusalem. You have
Speaker 1: the 10 lepers that are being spoken of here, and
Speaker 1: then as they near Jerusalem, when, uh, he was asked
Speaker 1: by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come,
Speaker 1: he answered and said to them, and so it just, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just seems like
Speaker 1: Luke is taking us through both um.
Speaker 1: Things that Jesus was teaching and sort of moving from
Speaker 1: one thing to another and then taking us also chronologically
Speaker 1: on the journey to Jerusalem and the
Speaker 1: The events that were happening conversationally as they were going.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is like in verse 5, he's
Speaker 1: starting a new thought almost. The guy has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with verse 4. It's just a new
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like it could be maybe a chapter break, the
Speaker 1: chapter break maybe you think should have been there or yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be, I mean, you know, it's not, it
Speaker 1: is a different, it is a different subject. So, um,
Speaker 1: but it could just be, you know, like the sermon
Speaker 1: on the Mount, for example, Matthew 5 to 7, uh,
Speaker 1: Jesus starts off with the beatitudes and then he, he
Speaker 1: goes further and he develops all throughout the fifth chapter things.
Speaker 1: In, in one sense that are clarifying the law and
Speaker 1: so forth. Uh, but then you get into chapter 6
Speaker 1: and the topic changes and he's talking about, um,
Speaker 1: Trusting God, not worrying about our lives, uh, knowing that, uh,
Speaker 1: the Lord cares for us, uh, much more than he
Speaker 1: cares for the birds of the air, so we don't
Speaker 1: have to worry, um, your, our Father in heaven. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty consistent the way the gospels are
Speaker 1: laid out that that the writers do take us on
Speaker 1: a journey.
Speaker 1: Um, sometimes from topic to topic and sometimes from event
Speaker 1: to event.
Speaker 1: Joe. Got it.
Speaker 1: That help?
Speaker 1: That sure does. Yeah, and there and you know, Joe,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I mean, there are times, especially
Speaker 1: when you're teaching through the gospels like I've done.
Speaker 1: A number of times, you know, there are times where
Speaker 1: you're trying to find the like, OK, what's the thread here?
Speaker 1: What's what connects this? What is the context? Is he
Speaker 1: saying and sometimes, you know, you read something and you
Speaker 1: realize this is connected back to chapters to what Jesus
Speaker 1: started back here. So it's, it's great to ask that
Speaker 1: question and to wonder about that and it's and and
Speaker 1: to kind of try to follow the thread too.
Speaker 1: So now you know, Joe, thank you for calling us
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Speaker 1: Well, that was a short break. We're back on Pastor's Perspective.
Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is the number to call. I'm Brian Perez here
Speaker 1: with Brian Broderson and Bobby Conway, who will be taking
Speaker 1: your calls for the next few minutes at 888-564-6173. You
Speaker 1: can also send in your questions online, as I said
Speaker 1: a little bit ago, and here's one that Samuel sent in.
Speaker 1: Hello, brothers in the Lord, thank you for your ministry
Speaker 1: that touches lives daily. There are two questions I would
Speaker 1: like to ask. What's the difference between happiness and joy,
Speaker 1: and what's your take on the series, The Chosen? Bobby,
Speaker 1: you want to take one or both, or what do
Speaker 1: you want to do?
Speaker 2: I don't really have a preference, so Brian, do you
Speaker 2: have a leaning on which one you feel?
Speaker 2: Led to talk
Speaker 2: about?
Speaker 1: Well, since I have not watched a single episode of
Speaker 1: The Chosen, it's gonna be hard for me to talk
Speaker 1: about it, um, although I'm, I think it's great, um.
Speaker 1: So happiness and joy, what's the difference between the two? Yes,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the TV show Happiness and joy?
Speaker 1: I'm joking. There's a TV show? Not that I know of.
Speaker 1: There's so many channels nowadays. There could be something. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, um.
Speaker 1: The the the common.
Speaker 1: The way that people define the difference would be that, uh,
Speaker 1: happiness is generally uh based on outward circumstances. I'm happy
Speaker 1: because I'm having a great day. I'm happy because I
Speaker 1: won the lottery. I'm happy because my girlfriend said she
Speaker 1: wants to marry me, um, so I'm happy. Uh, joy.
Speaker 1: Then tends to be something that is more internal and
Speaker 1: it's not so much related to outward circumstances. So your
Speaker 1: outward circumstances might not be ideal, maybe your girlfriend said
Speaker 1: you didn't want to marry you, but inside you still
Speaker 1: have a settled, um,
Speaker 1: A, a joy. So, I mean, you know, a while
Speaker 1: back I was doing a, a teaching on this and
Speaker 1: I was thinking it's, you know, it's kind of hard
Speaker 1: because you get different opinions from different people and it
Speaker 1: it's a little bit hard to
Speaker 1: To separate the ideas. So Jesus says, blessed are the
Speaker 1: poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of God.
Speaker 1: Some translations read, oh, how happy are those who are
Speaker 1: poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of God. So,
Speaker 1: the word, the, the, the Greek word that is used there, um,
Speaker 1: is a word that can be translated happy. So, is
Speaker 1: Jesus talking about happiness or is he talking about joy? So,
Speaker 1: all of that to say.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a distinction, but I don't know that
Speaker 1: it's as sharp as people often imply that it is.
Speaker 1: Bobby
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said. I would say is relating to the Chosen,
Speaker 2: I personally have only seen one or two episodes. Um,
Speaker 2: I've heard wonderful things about it. I, I did watch
Speaker 2: an episode and, uh, I can't remember exactly, but one
Speaker 2: of the disciples, I think, had like cerebral palsy and
Speaker 2: there were a couple of things in it that, that
Speaker 2: They took some license and I'm OK with a little
Speaker 2: bit of license because you're trying to fill up several series. Uh,
Speaker 2: I think you're trying to do your best to be
Speaker 2: as true to the story, and I think that from
Speaker 2: what I understand, they're, they're trying to do that for
Speaker 2: the most part. Uh, I actually really want to see
Speaker 2: it myself. I mean, it's apparently very touching. I don't think,
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot worse things people can watch.
Speaker 2: Probably the one thing that
Speaker 2: You have to be aware of, and I would say
Speaker 2: when you're watching anything that's put out Christian is that
Speaker 2: sometimes we can confuse things with what's in the Bible and,
Speaker 2: and what's not. And so this stuff happens all the
Speaker 2: time as it relates to Christmas time, you know, these
Speaker 2: Christmas greeting cards go out and then people start confusing,
Speaker 2: you know, how many gifts were brought and they start
Speaker 2: mixing up the story and
Speaker 2: We have to be aware that if we don't read
Speaker 2: our Bibles, then we're not gonna even discern what's going on,
Speaker 2: and that would be kind of a hard thing for me, uh,
Speaker 2: if I'm watching the chosen and then I'm touched, but
Speaker 2: now I'm walking around talking about how this disciple had
Speaker 2: cerebral palsy or.
Speaker 2: Uh, there was another thing in that episode. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is just not accurate, but it wasn't inaccurate in
Speaker 2: the sense of, I would say heretical. They're trying to
Speaker 2: fill a story out, and if you know the Bible,
Speaker 2: then you can go through that journey and not freak out.
Speaker 2: The danger is when people start talking about parts of
Speaker 2: the chosen and confusing maybe stories that they see.
Speaker 2: Thinking that that's what's in the Bible and so be
Speaker 2: be in the word more than you are in the show.
Speaker 2: Some people will have spent more time watching the Chosen
Speaker 2: series and ever reading their Bible, and I'm glad that
Speaker 2: they've watched that, but if we're getting our information exclusively
Speaker 2: that way, then we're not going to be able to discern.
Speaker 1: Very good, Samuel, thank you for sending in your questions
Speaker 1: on Kwave.com.
Speaker 1: Do you have another thought, Brian? Uh, no. Oh, OK.
Speaker 1: I would take another call. Go ahead, Bobby.
Speaker 2: No, that was my, um, phone that used my voice
Speaker 2: to say something like, um, and you heard that. So yeah.
Speaker 1: So is it like AI Bobby Conway answering questions today
Speaker 1: on Pastor perspective. We're not gonna put up with it's
Speaker 2: my channel, the graphite apologist a bit, I think that
Speaker 2: I didn't have it on mute and I think it
Speaker 2: captured my voice, and I hate when it does that
Speaker 2: because I don't like listening to my own voice.
Speaker 1: Well, we like listening to your voice for as long
Speaker 1: as we can. You won't be too much longer, uh,
Speaker 1: Pastor Brian.
Speaker 1: Well, that is true. Um, we have an announcement to make.
Speaker 1: We have an announcement to make, yes, and Bobby and
Speaker 1: I had a little, we've we've been having this conversation
Speaker 1: for a long time actually, but we actually had a
Speaker 1: conversation earlier this morning and because I've got traveling coming
Speaker 1: up and all kinds of things like that, um, I
Speaker 1: wanted to take a few minutes and talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about kind of the future direction of this program.
Speaker 1: And the fact that Bobby, who has been the rock
Speaker 1: star of this program for many years now, um, that
Speaker 1: he's going to be transitioning out of his role here
Speaker 1: on the program and focusing on some other things that
Speaker 1: he feels that would be good for him to focus
Speaker 1: on at this time. We've talked about, um, him.
Speaker 1: Coming back on the program, uh, maybe one day a
Speaker 1: week in the future, and I think we feel good
Speaker 1: about that, but I think Bobby, you kind of said you,
Speaker 1: you feel like you could use a bit of a break,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people on the west coast don't
Speaker 1: realize that you're, you know, this is dinner time for you.
Speaker 1: You're like 6 to 7 and we're still hanging out,
Speaker 1: you know, between lunch and getting off work. So, um,
Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about that. But first,
Speaker 1: let me say, um, as I, as I mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: the program's changing a little bit, nothing major, just as
Speaker 1: far as, you know, some of the voices, particularly Bobby's, um,
Speaker 1: that has been such a staple, and I'm so thankful
Speaker 1: for all the years that Bobby's has really, um, held
Speaker 1: down the fort, you know, that's what you've done and
Speaker 1: you've done such an extraordinary job.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that so much and as we as
Speaker 1: we move into the future and some changes here with
Speaker 1: uh our radio ministry, um, I will still be here
Speaker 1: and kind of sitting in that more anchor seat along
Speaker 1: with my good buddy Brian Perez right across from me
Speaker 1: and then a number of the different guests that we
Speaker 1: normally have Phil Metzger and.
Speaker 1: Um, Char Roderson, Richard Cimino, John Wong, um, you know,
Speaker 1: different people that we have, we'll, we'll continue with all that, but,
Speaker 1: but Bobby, um.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about just how much fun
Speaker 1: we've had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right. And just a little bit about, you know,
Speaker 1: what you're thinking for yourself for, you know, the next
Speaker 1: 6 months or so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first off, it, it has truly been, um,
Speaker 2: the highlight of my ministry life working with you guys.
Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed this and it's been so much fun
Speaker 2: and I'm excited for what the future holds for, uh,
Speaker 2: for the radio show and for my own life and, uh,
Speaker 2: I absolutely, um, am, you know, happy to come back
Speaker 2: on and fill in. I think, uh, what.
Speaker 2: I, I'm doing now is, you know, about a year
Speaker 2: and a half ago or whatever, I, as you know,
Speaker 2: I picked up a pencil and started drawing, and I,
Speaker 2: I feel like God has, um, given me something that
Speaker 2: I can use for the kingdom. And so I started
Speaker 2: about two months ago, my YouTube channel that we've talked
Speaker 2: about called the Graphite Apologist.
Speaker 2: And that is basically, uh, I was putting out 1
Speaker 2: video a week and now we're upping the ante and
Speaker 2: we're going to start putting out 3 videos a week.
Speaker 2: So what that means is my drawing, um, it, it's,
Speaker 2: it requires a lot of work to put that level
Speaker 2: of content out.
Speaker 2: And then I'm, I just launched the merchandise to go
Speaker 2: along with the videos. So now we've got 5 t-shirts
Speaker 2: that are up and canvases and much more product line
Speaker 2: where I'm really trying to create cool Christian, um,
Speaker 2: Uh, thought wear, uh, but it's called ponder, so it's,
Speaker 2: you know, wearing clothes that have a meaning, uh, but
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to um get people to think about,
Speaker 2: to ponder, um, things, and I'm taking different angles, and
Speaker 2: so it's almost like a t-shirt that has a video
Speaker 2: along with it that you can watch and you can
Speaker 2: become informed on being an apologist and, uh, and, and
Speaker 2: so it's so exciting to have this, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be putting my attention and my time there, and yes,
Speaker 2: it will be nice because
Speaker 2: Uh, I've had 3 nights a week spoken for, and
Speaker 2: being a lead pastor of a church, we're getting ready
Speaker 2: to launch, um, a discipleship, uh, full on discipleship groups
Speaker 2: this fall, and between the graphite apologists and ponder these
Speaker 2: two entrepreneurial endeavors and then this discipleship, uh, having the
Speaker 2: evenings to do a lot of the ministry that's gonna
Speaker 2: come up it's gonna be really helpful. But from the
Speaker 2: bottom of my heart, just for the audience.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Brian, I have been a Christian for
Speaker 2: over 30 years and working with you, I mean, you
Speaker 2: are like my spiritual hero, uh, you're a friend, a
Speaker 2: dear friend, my boss, uh, a mentor.
Speaker 2: And the relationship that we've had, I just think it, it,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like the, the Jonathan and David thing
Speaker 2: to me, but more like, um, you know, you're definitely
Speaker 2: the David and I'm the, the, the peon, and I
Speaker 2: just thank you for even giving me a seat on
Speaker 2: the show with you has been really a blessing. Just, just,
Speaker 2: we've laughed, we laugh, we laughed a lot and, uh, and,
Speaker 2: and you've just been such, I mean, for if people
Speaker 2: don't know, I mean, heck, I mean,
Speaker 2: After my relapse, you just basically put your spiritual arms
Speaker 2: around me and God used you to um show me
Speaker 2: what it looks like to be a pastor. Uh, I
Speaker 2: wasn't even thinking about being a pastor and you had
Speaker 2: me preaching for you and then you said, I think
Speaker 2: you need to be in the pulpit.
Speaker 2: And then like you planted us out in Charlotte as
Speaker 2: a Calvary Chapel church, so the, the relationship to me
Speaker 2: I trust will always go on and I'm just so thankful.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, um, and it's mutual, and I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember when originally we connected because you were, um,
Speaker 1: brought on staff at the Bible College and we didn't
Speaker 1: really know each other at the time, but I knew
Speaker 1: a little bit about you and Andy Dean, you know,
Speaker 1: was the one who connected with you and told me
Speaker 1: I wanna hire, you know, this Bobby Conway guy, what
Speaker 1: do you think? And I said, yeah, you know, I, I,
Speaker 1: I don't know him, but I think he's a good
Speaker 1: guy and all, all of that. So.
Speaker 1: And then from there, it's just amazing how the Lord
Speaker 1: developed our friendship and then, you know, you transitioning out
Speaker 1: of the school and coming up and joining me on
Speaker 1: the program here and
Speaker 1: And then of course there was a a season where
Speaker 1: you were sitting right next to me in this in
Speaker 1: this room and we were having all kinds of fun
Speaker 1: but then, you know, but then there was that sense,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're a great preacher, you're a great
Speaker 1: Bible teacher and I thought, you know, there's no way
Speaker 1: that the Lord is done with that gift in this
Speaker 1: guy's life. It's just too, too obvious that, you know,
Speaker 1: he's gifted you to do that.
Speaker 1: And so then of course we started talking about the, um,
Speaker 1: you know, a new church and and what would that
Speaker 1: look like and and then going back to North Carolina
Speaker 1: where you had come from and you you'd kind of
Speaker 1: left there feeling I think a bit defeated and and
Speaker 1: then the Lord sends you back and um.
Speaker 1: You know, for a moment you thought maybe the devil
Speaker 1: sent you there to wreck your life,
Speaker 1: but I got myself quite deceived,
Speaker 1: right? I, I made sure that you understood that that
Speaker 1: was not the case. God actually did send you. And, uh,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, it's just been a, a sheer
Speaker 1: delight and, um, I will miss, uh, this, you know,
Speaker 1: this connection that we have regularly throughout the week, but
Speaker 1: Um, I'm gonna, you know, I'm not gonna stop sending
Speaker 1: you funny dancing videos and crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: And, um, and you know, obviously we're going to do
Speaker 1: ministry in the future together and I look forward to,
Speaker 1: you know, different ways the Lord will open, open those
Speaker 1: doors and, and I still am gonna follow through with
Speaker 1: my threat to come and visit you and hang out in, um, uh,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, which I've never even been to North Carolina,
Speaker 1: so I gotta, I gotta do that. So, but I,
Speaker 1: I want to publicly thank you from the bottom of
Speaker 1: my heart for
Speaker 1: You know, your commitment because you've, you've just been really
Speaker 1: solid with your commitment, you know, you've been here, um,
Speaker 1: you've just been here through thick and thin and, and
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And I know that there are
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of our listeners that are
Speaker 1: gonna be super bummed because, you know, you, they tune
Speaker 1: in to to listen to you. So, um, I'll do
Speaker 1: my best to, to keep up the standard.
Speaker 1: And do my best, Bobby impersonations and, uh, and then
Speaker 1: look forward to when things kind of the dust settles
Speaker 1: and then maybe, you know, you can jump back in
Speaker 1: on occasions and we can have some fun.
Speaker 2: You bet, yeah, and for people like if they, they
Speaker 2: can still listen, um, you know, like if they subscribe
Speaker 2: to the graphite apologist, I'm gonna be doing.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping to do one live video a week, uh,
Speaker 2: and where I'm gonna still be kind of like people
Speaker 2: can ask me questions on my YouTube channel. So I'm
Speaker 2: really planning to build a relationship with this new YouTube community, um,
Speaker 2: that can be helpful, um, and just people who believe
Speaker 2: in what we're doing, um.
Speaker 2: what God's doing in my life, uh, I, I, I
Speaker 2: want those kind of people that will, you know, jump
Speaker 2: aboard and be a part of what I'm doing. So
Speaker 2: that's exciting.
Speaker 1: So here, here's a question that I have. This is
Speaker 1: actually just, I'm not, I'm not sure. So Christianity still
Speaker 1: makes sense. Where where does that fit in all of this?
Speaker 1: Is that still kind of the, the base for the
Speaker 1: other stuff you're doing, or is it separate? Are you
Speaker 1: focusing on that still or what's going on with that?
Speaker 2: No, I'm actually, uh, I'm actually not doing anything there
Speaker 2: any longer. I think, uh,
Speaker 2: You know, my sermons, uh, Tim, uh, who's my executive
Speaker 2: pastor sends them over. I think that still plays on
Speaker 2: the radio in California. And so that's kind of what
Speaker 2: gets posted on Christina still makes sense. It's just my sermons, uh,
Speaker 2: but I'm not doing any more apologetic content like that. I'm,
Speaker 2: I'm totally shifting to, um, doing a.
Speaker 2: Apologetics through art now and then speaking at churches in
Speaker 2: conferences and stuff like that but that's kind of what
Speaker 2: I'm doing now and hopefully it'll it'll work because someday,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll be honest, it would ministry gets it,
Speaker 2: it would be really exciting if, uh, you know, down
Speaker 2: the road it would you know as you get older
Speaker 2: and for a new chapter if I was able to,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 2: Be a faithful servant in the local church and, and, and,
Speaker 2: and lead and fill in and just support the leadership
Speaker 2: there and have and and and do art, you know, that's,
Speaker 2: that's something that gives me a lot of, a lot
Speaker 2: of joy. So that's kind of, uh,
Speaker 1: yeah, well, you're still, you know, you're still a youngster,
Speaker 1: so you, you got some time before you
Speaker 2: for sure that that
Speaker 1: old guy that's.
Speaker 1: That old guy that's just hanging out and guest speaking, um, and,
Speaker 1: and you know, with this, I think I'll just take
Speaker 1: a moment to mention too that you know, we talk
Speaker 1: about me being pastor emerituss now, and which means that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm no longer on the, the staff of
Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Um, I have come, come off
Speaker 1: of that and stepped stepped away from that role, and
Speaker 1: I'm still serving at the church a little bit in
Speaker 1: different capacities, you know, the, the, um,
Speaker 1: Back to basic live on Sunday night. And of course
Speaker 1: I did, it's my church, I attend church, I ministers,
Speaker 1: opportunities come, and so forth. And um but the but
Speaker 1: the ministry here, which I have been part of for
Speaker 1: a long, long time.
Speaker 1: Um, I'm gonna continue to, to focus here and then
Speaker 1: Cheryl and I are right on the verge of publicly announcing, uh, the,
Speaker 1: the launch of our new ministry together, which we are
Speaker 1: calling Echoes of Mercy, and Echoes of Mercy is actually
Speaker 1: a phrase that's from a Fanny Crosby hymn.
Speaker 1: Where she's speaking of, uh, you know, the song is
Speaker 1: blessed assurance, but she's talking about the echoes of mercy
Speaker 1: and the whispers of love. And, and we felt like
Speaker 1: that really describes, um,
Speaker 1: What, what our ministry is is about just sharing the
Speaker 1: love and the grace and the mercy of God. So,
Speaker 1: so through echoes of mercy we're gonna be, this will
Speaker 1: be where, you know, people can connect with us for
Speaker 1: speaking and we'll all of our podcast and Bible teaching
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff is gonna be available at
Speaker 1: the new site as it gets launched. Um, we're just
Speaker 1: doing a kind of a
Speaker 1: Um, a landing page initially, uh, next week. And then
Speaker 1: from that, we will build out our, um, back to
Speaker 1: basics and, um, gracious words and all of that. So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, we, we've got, um, some of
Speaker 1: our own fresh new direction going to. So plus there's
Speaker 1: the Calgary Global Network.
Speaker 2: I mean, you
Speaker 1: know,
Speaker 2: you're just getting old and still he had
Speaker 1: to throw in another age,
Speaker 2: you retire, but you really don't retire.
Speaker 1: Bobby, when you were on vacation recently, I did a
Speaker 1: couple of age jokes on your behalf, but, uh, you know, I,
Speaker 1: I couldn't quite do it like you, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: won't be able to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and like you just said, Brian, uh, CGN,
Speaker 1: you know, covered Global Network, that's of course the, uh,
Speaker 1: sponsoring the conference that we're doing next week. Bobby, I
Speaker 1: wish you could come to that, but I know it's, um,
Speaker 1: obviously a little bit late for that, and, and my
Speaker 1: schedule is so crazy right now. Um, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: at the conference only for half of it because my
Speaker 1: 2nd oldest grandson is graduating from high school in New
Speaker 1: York and
Speaker 1: We can't miss that because you know we love that
Speaker 1: boy and um he he really wants, he really wants
Speaker 1: his grandparents to be there which I think, you know,
Speaker 1: if an 18 year old wants you to be there,
Speaker 1: you just need to be there. So, so anyway, things
Speaker 1: are kind of crazy right now but uh it's all good.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed. Wow. What an episode of Pastor's perspective. So
Speaker 1: Bobby's still gonna be here with us for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. He won't be here next week because he
Speaker 1: already planned, uh, some vacation time. But, uh, so the
Speaker 1: following week will be Bobby's last week with us here
Speaker 1: on Pastor's perspective, but yeah, you'll still be able to
Speaker 1: hear him here on Kwave on Saturday evenings at 6.
Speaker 1: 30. Also Sunday afternoons at 3, so that's gonna continue
Speaker 1: and then people can keep up with Bobby on his
Speaker 1: church's website, imagechurch.live. You can follow him on all the
Speaker 1: social media platforms including YouTube. You can find the Graphite Apologist,
Speaker 1: that's the main channel where he's going to be uploading
Speaker 1: videos and things and, uh, yeah, so what about
Speaker 1: Like donations and stuff, Bobby, I mean, would you welcome
Speaker 1: those from our audience so that you can continue with
Speaker 1: your ministry endeavors?
Speaker 2: Oh, heck yeah, like I, you know, I don't like to,
Speaker 2: you know, talk, uh, I, I've never been good on
Speaker 2: talking about that, but, you know, we're definitely trying to
Speaker 2: raise support for the ministry. And so if people did
Speaker 2: want to help, um, they, you know, we would certainly
Speaker 2: welcome that. They can go to Christianity. It's actually Christianity
Speaker 2: still makes sense uh.com and, um, or it might be,
Speaker 2: it might even be on the graphite apologist, but anyway,
Speaker 2: they can just reach out to me.
Speaker 2: And, uh, at the contact if they're interested in being
Speaker 2: a monthly supporter or or investing in the ministry, that
Speaker 2: would be
Speaker 2: wonderful.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, I see also a give link on the
Speaker 1: church's website.
Speaker 1: Images church not live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be, um, you know, for,
Speaker 2: for the church. I'd say this would be, it'd be
Speaker 2: better for this ministry for it to go in this
Speaker 2: new route. But
Speaker 1: yeah, Christianity still makes sense.com. One more question for you,
Speaker 1: not to put you on the spot because it's kind
Speaker 1: of a last minute thing and we're running out of time.
Speaker 1: And you're still going to be with us for 2
Speaker 1: more weeks, but what are some of the favorite questions
Speaker 1: you've received in the last, and how long has it
Speaker 1: been since 7 years now? Has it been 7 years?
Speaker 1: What has it been, Bobby? 6,
Speaker 2: 7 years's almost 7 years, 6, 6.5 years something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's amazing. I cannot believe that it has been
Speaker 1: that long. It's like,
Speaker 2: I know it's
Speaker 1: flies, man. I know we, we love whenever the, the
Speaker 1: kids call in
Speaker 2: some of those
Speaker 1: questions are.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 2: do love when I, I just love when kids call
Speaker 2: for sure. Um, my favorite topics tend to be ones that, um,
Speaker 2: speak directly into people's life. I do love like talking
Speaker 2: about the cultural issues. I love helping people to, I
Speaker 2: think Brian and I both come alive when it's a
Speaker 2: question that's gonna be, how do we think about this
Speaker 2: Christianly in our current context. Uh, those tend to be
Speaker 2: the funnest conversations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. That's for sure. All right, you guys,
Speaker 1: we are out of time on today's episode of Pastor's Perspective,
Speaker 1: which will soon be archived on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts,
Speaker 1: and Spotify and, uh, then we'll be back tomorrow to
Speaker 1: answer the questions you have about the Bible, the Christian faith,
Speaker 1: and Phil Metzger will be joining us tomorrow if all
Speaker 1: goes according to plan. So God bless you all. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks for watching Pastor's Perspective.