Speaker 1: Hey, hello, welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
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Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa here today to answer those questions
Speaker 1: that you're going to call to ask at 888-564-6173. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: how you doing?
Speaker 1: Well, we're doing well. I was supposed to be here
Speaker 1: last Friday, but I had Grandma duty.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, you did not. You had construction duty. Oh
Speaker 1: construction duty duty that's right over the installment I I
Speaker 1: came to the radio when you were doing all the
Speaker 1: construction work hard hats the way it goes around our place, yeah.
Speaker 1: Honey, don't want people to believe that, so let's just say,
Speaker 1: just kidding. That's not far from the truth. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: we'll attest to that.
Speaker 1: That you do the construction around the house and I,
Speaker 1: I love to build. I love I love tools. I
Speaker 1: was telling him I just went to the most amazing place,
Speaker 1: Harbor Freight. It's all tools. Yeah. Oh my goodness, it's
Speaker 1: so fun just to walk the aisles and look at
Speaker 1: those tools. I just get like like cold sweats when
Speaker 1: I drive by it. I'm like, oh my gosh, don't
Speaker 1: make me go in there. Father's Day used to always
Speaker 1: buy Brian tools and he always resented it, but I
Speaker 1: was like, more for me, more for me.
Speaker 1: In fact, we had one son, Braden, our youngest, when
Speaker 1: he was just like 2, his favorite thing were those um.
Speaker 1: Tool magazines like Home Depot, uh, advertisements that came in
Speaker 1: the mail and he would just look over and go, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, some kids like the toy catalogs, not him.
Speaker 1: He liked the tool catalog gotta love a kid like that. Totally.
Speaker 1: These are, these are the descendants of Chuck Smith. They
Speaker 1: really are. Well, Brian's grandpa was um.
Speaker 1: He built his own house. Well, he was a mechanic.
Speaker 1: He was, yeah, and he built his own house. He
Speaker 1: did all that stuff from the from from the ground up,
Speaker 1: and he's still there. It's called the McDougal Mansion and
Speaker 1: thank God we live in a time where we didn't
Speaker 1: have to build our own houses. You would have Brian,
Speaker 1: I would have you such a nice house.
Speaker 1: But anyway, uh, yeah, so the McDougal Mansion is in,
Speaker 1: you know, it's in, um, Camarillo, but it's interesting because it's,
Speaker 1: I've never heard a two bedroom house called the mansion before,
Speaker 1: but he did the plumbing, he installed the windows. He,
Speaker 1: he did everything he did everything and it was in
Speaker 1: an avocado orchard. Yeah, well, it's just for the record,
Speaker 1: we're slightly exaggerating my lack of involvement in these things slightly, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's like.
Speaker 1: No lack of involvement is that Brian can do it,
Speaker 1: but does he like it? Cheryl loves to do it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my gosh, are you kidding? This
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. So I love IKEA furniture. So
Speaker 1: if the kids got IKEA furniture, they call me up
Speaker 1: and then I bring Brian because I like to put
Speaker 1: it together, read the instructions and tell him, put this
Speaker 1: screw right here and this piece with.
Speaker 1: This piece and he'll be like, this piece with this piece.
Speaker 1: I'm like that piece with that piece just let's do it.
Speaker 1: She's following instructions. I never, yeah, no, he just looks
Speaker 1: at pictures, not instructions or suggestions. Well, isn't that true?
Speaker 1: I don't remember my dad ever reading instructions.
Speaker 1: And and tell.
Speaker 1: You know, it didn't work out the 1st 5 attempts
Speaker 1: and then, you know, if all else fails, reads like
Speaker 1: asking for directions, you know, you're just kind of same thing.
Speaker 1: Get in the car and drive. Yeah, well, not anymore.
Speaker 1: Now we've got GPS. That's true all the fun out
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 1: All right, so here's a question that was sent in
Speaker 1: on our Facebook messenger, which is one of the ways
Speaker 1: you can get your question to us, but not the
Speaker 1: best way. You should call us, 888-564-6173. Cathy and Paul
Speaker 1: wanna know if we know how the altar call originated. Brian.
Speaker 1: How did the altar call originate? Um, wasn't it with
Speaker 1: DL Moody? I think it was with Billy Sunday. Oh, OK, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but it was pretty much with one of the um
Speaker 1: early evangelists from the 1800s. Yeah, so, so before like
Speaker 1: uh Finney came before Moody.
Speaker 1: Uh, and during like the Finney revival period, and everybody
Speaker 1: knows who Finney is, yeah, Charles Finney, he was a
Speaker 1: revivalist and he in the United States, but he had
Speaker 1: people go to, um, what they would call an inquiry room, yeah,
Speaker 1: like an inquiry room and then they would, you know,
Speaker 1: further speak to people about their soul and, you know,
Speaker 1: so forth. And did Moody do that too? Well, something
Speaker 1: really interesting.
Speaker 1: In Moody's like, the first altar call, so to speak,
Speaker 1: is it was always he would direct people to go
Speaker 1: to an inquiry room if they wanted to receive the Lord.
Speaker 1: But when he had gone to Cambridge, England, the students
Speaker 1: mocked him, and they were so awful. And why Ira
Speaker 1: Sankey was trying to sing, they started doing these, you know,
Speaker 1: warbly voices and shouting him down.
Speaker 1: And when Moody began to give his message about Jesus,
Speaker 1: they start going hee haw heehaw because you know Moody
Speaker 1: had that strong Yankee accent having been from Chicago. So
Speaker 1: what DL Moody did is he got all the moms,
Speaker 1: he said you know they said DL Moody, do you
Speaker 1: know Mr. Moody, do you wanna.
Speaker 1: Leave Cambridge, he said, Absolutely not. I want you to
Speaker 1: gather me all the moms in Cambridge that you can
Speaker 1: find Christian moms, and we're going to meet here for
Speaker 1: a prayer meeting. So the next day he prayed with
Speaker 1: all these moms, and then he went back to that
Speaker 1: same assembly hall. Same people came, but he said, Do
Speaker 1: you know what? Tonight the Lord's going to work, and
Speaker 1: I want them to have to walk down this middle
Speaker 1: aisle and for everybody to see them walk down the
Speaker 1: middle aisle, making a profession for Christ, and then we'll
Speaker 1: send them to the inquiry room.
Speaker 1: So as far as I know, that was like the
Speaker 1: first altar call and it kind of alluded to that
Speaker 1: in the book as far as having them come in
Speaker 1: front of everybody because of um.
Speaker 1: It was a way to show true repentance for the
Speaker 1: way they had acted and to show the transformative power
Speaker 1: of the Lord, but I knew I know Billy Graham
Speaker 1: I mean always did altar calls and so did Amy
Speaker 1: Simple McPherson, who was a contemporary of uh Billy Graham
Speaker 1: she also did the altar calls, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was more of a contemporary of Billy Sunday
Speaker 1: actually because she was, you know, before Billy Graham, but yes, right, OK,
Speaker 1: so that's the answer. That's the answer. Charles Finney, the
Speaker 1: inquiry room, DL Moody forcing the bratty kids in Cambridge
Speaker 1: to walk down the aisle and the rest is history. Well,
Speaker 1: one of those bratty kids was CT Stud, who became
Speaker 1: a famous missionary to India and to Africa. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cathy and Paul, thank you for sending in your question
Speaker 1: on Facebook, and now we're.
Speaker 1: And China, yeah, he got around.
Speaker 1: Here's Marissa, who is on her way to Arizona and
Speaker 1: listening to us on FM 107.9. Hello, Marissa, thanks for
Speaker 1: calling in today.
Speaker 1: Thank you for taking my question. Yeah, and what is
Speaker 1: that question? I, I actually, I'm from California, but we
Speaker 1: moved back to Arizona and um the reason why I
Speaker 1: came back to California is because my only friend.
Speaker 1: Ended up passing this morning. Oh, I am so sorry, Marisa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so my question is, she was a believer, um,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately she was a slave to her addiction. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to know.
Speaker 1: What happens to her.
Speaker 1: She's, like I said, she was a believer. I, for
Speaker 1: years I've, I've been, you know, sharing the Lord.
Speaker 1: And I know she believed
Speaker 1: Um, what happens to her?
Speaker 1: You know, that's a, I just feel like the Lord's
Speaker 1: mercy is much greater than we realize.
Speaker 1: And I think he understands the powers of addiction. I'm
Speaker 1: not at all excusing addiction, but there are some people
Speaker 1: in this world who cannot handle life. It's just too
Speaker 1: hard for them. They have these heightened awareness. They feel
Speaker 1: pain at a level that we would never know. And
Speaker 1: I think for them, I think that we have to
Speaker 1: rely on the mercy of God. Years ago, Brandon and
Speaker 1: I had a friend, and she also had a drug addiction.
Speaker 1: And she would be clean and then she would go
Speaker 1: back and um we by this time we were living
Speaker 1: in England and we received word that she had passed
Speaker 1: away and it was unsure whether she relapsed or whether
Speaker 1: uh it was just kind of a latent reaction to
Speaker 1: the drugs she had already done, but we heard she
Speaker 1: passed away.
Speaker 1: And we were just both kind of just shaken by
Speaker 1: it and so sad because of the lost potential. And
Speaker 1: I remember I was inside the supermarket and as I
Speaker 1: was coming out, these snowflakes were falling. It was April
Speaker 1: and snowflakes, April 15th, snowflakes were falling and they were
Speaker 1: the size of silver dollars. They were huge, and they
Speaker 1: were so soft, and I felt like the spirit of
Speaker 1: the Lord said to me, she's safe and she's with me.
Speaker 1: I've got her now.
Speaker 1: And I remember climbing in the car and Brian said
Speaker 1: to me, he was waiting for me, he said, did
Speaker 1: you see those snowflakes? And I said, Yes, I did.
Speaker 1: He said, I just feel like the Lord is saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, our friend is safe and with Jesus. And
Speaker 1: it was interesting because we were both prompted by this
Speaker 1: spirit and I was like that's exactly what I felt
Speaker 1: the Lord was prompting me. So I think Marisa, remember
Speaker 1: God loved your friend or you know your.
Speaker 1: Your daughter, her friend, her friend more than you ever could,
Speaker 1: and his mercies are new every morning, and they never cease.
Speaker 1: And so we fall back on the mercies of the
Speaker 1: Lord that he knew her weakness. He knew that she
Speaker 1: loved him, she knew that, you know, he knew that
Speaker 1: she wanted to be free of this addiction.
Speaker 1: So I think at this point, but even, even if
Speaker 1: she was backsliding and not obeying his words, she can
Speaker 1: still get to heaven. Well, you know, we don't know
Speaker 1: what happened and what transactions went in those last moments.
Speaker 1: But what I like to do is when I don't know,
Speaker 1: I always fall back on the mercies of God. When
Speaker 1: I don't know, when in doubt, fall back on the
Speaker 1: mercies of God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and, and one other thing, so, you need to
Speaker 1: just think in terms of salvation is, um, it's a
Speaker 1: permanent thing. It's, you don't get salvation and then lose salvation.
Speaker 1: Even though you can have salvation but be out of
Speaker 1: fellowship with God because of sin. So, you know, when you,
Speaker 1: when you receive Christ, you become a child of God
Speaker 1: you're um you're brought into this relationship. Now the relationship
Speaker 1: has the fellowship component to it.
Speaker 1: The the relationship remains, but the fellowship component can um
Speaker 1: be interfered with salvation. Well, I don't believe that the
Speaker 1: Bible teaches that you can lose your salvation. Um, you
Speaker 1: can lose your life like she did. You can actually
Speaker 1: cut your life short, um, but
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, think, think of it in in a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a human sense, you know, say
Speaker 1: you have a child and, and your child is your
Speaker 1: child regardless, but say you're estranged from your child and
Speaker 1: everything you've tried to get that to be sorted out, reconciled,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work, um, that they remain your child,
Speaker 1: but they're not in fellowship with you.
Speaker 1: And so I think there's something that we can transfer
Speaker 1: over to our relationship with God that you can, you
Speaker 1: can have the relationship, you're a child of God, but
Speaker 1: you can, your fellowship can be interfered with through, through sin.
Speaker 1: So, um, like Cheryl said, I think just.
Speaker 1: You know, in the end, you don't know 100% where
Speaker 1: she was at, but rather than be fearful that she's
Speaker 1: not with the Lord, just rest in God's goodness and mercy.
Speaker 1: Marissa, thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective,
Speaker 1: and we are so sorry for your loss. 888-564-6173 is
Speaker 1: our number, and now we're gonna go to San Pedro.
Speaker 1: Here is Pete. Thank you for calling us today, Pete.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Brian Perez and, uh, thank you, Brian
Speaker 1: and Cheryl, my favorite couple. You always managed to encourage
Speaker 1: me in some way, and you did today. Cheryl was
Speaker 1: like more of the, do the things, you know, construction
Speaker 1: or whatever around the house. That's the way my wife was,
Speaker 1: you know, she went to heaven 3.5 years ago. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's also my, our spiritual leader. So I
Speaker 1: just want to, you know, say thank you both always.
Speaker 1: And my question is, um, someone was, my nephew was
Speaker 1: trying to tell me that Solomon is in hell. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that, but I just wanted to see what,
Speaker 1: what you think.
Speaker 1: I don't think he is um and I think Brian's
Speaker 1: looking up in Ecclesiastes because Ecclesiastes is kind of Solomon's
Speaker 1: testimony in that book he's kind of saying every other
Speaker 1: pursuit that I did left me empty, and this is
Speaker 1: my advice at the end he says serve God.
Speaker 1: So Brian, you've got the scripture right there in Ecclesiastes,
Speaker 1: and that's his final testament, yeah, yeah. So the 12th
Speaker 1: chapter of Ecclesiastes like Cheryl said, you know, uh, Solomon
Speaker 1: is rehearsing his life in the previous chapters and talking
Speaker 1: about how he pursued this, that and the other thing
Speaker 1: and the emptiness in all of it. And then he
Speaker 1: comes to the final portion and he says, um,
Speaker 1: The the conclusion of the matter.
Speaker 1: is the way he puts it, he says, um, fear
Speaker 1: God and keep His commandments, for this is man's all.
Speaker 1: For God will bring every work into judgment, including every
Speaker 1: secret thing, whether good or evil. So this is the
Speaker 1: conclusion of the matter. So it sounds to me like
Speaker 1: we're talking about somebody who, yes, he did indeed, backslide,
Speaker 1: turned away from the Lord was, was actually, you know,
Speaker 1: disciplined by God for that.
Speaker 1: Uh, with his sons and the monarchy and so forth.
Speaker 1: But it seems that he did return and now he
Speaker 1: advises everyone to make sure they do the same. OK.
Speaker 1: OK, thank you. That's a great answer, and you are
Speaker 1: always a blessing. All right, well, tell your nephew to
Speaker 1: read Ecclesiastes 12, and um I think that should help him. Pete,
Speaker 1: thank you for your phone call today on Pastor's perspective,
Speaker 1: and now let's go to Arizona. Here is Ron who's
Speaker 1: watching us on YouTube. Hi there, Ron, thanks for calling
Speaker 1: in today.
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Pastors uh Brian and Cheryl. In Romans 1
Speaker 1: verses 18 through 20.
Speaker 1: It says that the wrath of God is revealed from heaven.
Speaker 1: And then it says in verse 20 the invisible things
Speaker 1: of him and the creation of the world are clearly seen.
Speaker 1: How exactly do unsave people
Speaker 1: See the invisible things and how is the wrath of
Speaker 1: God revealed.
Speaker 1: Right, the wrath of God, it says the wrath of
Speaker 1: God is being presently revealed against all the ungodliness and
Speaker 1: unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth in unrighteousness. And
Speaker 1: so as, as Paul goes on there in that section,
Speaker 1: what you, what you realize is that the wrath of
Speaker 1: God is um being manifested in the consequences of the
Speaker 1: behavior of the people.
Speaker 1: So the wrath of God begins with God allowing people
Speaker 1: to have their own way, have their own way, and
Speaker 1: then they have to live with the consequences of having
Speaker 1: their own way. So that's the beginning of the wrath
Speaker 1: of God, and we know that there's a point in
Speaker 1: history that is yet ahead of us, where there will
Speaker 1: be a full direct demonstration of the wrath of God
Speaker 1: upon those who have rejected him, but we haven't.
Speaker 1: We haven't come there yet thankfully. I think you said
Speaker 1: that right now we've got a kind of like the
Speaker 1: consequential wrath of God where it's just God gives us
Speaker 1: up to the um the results of our devices, you know,
Speaker 1: of the of our choices he lets us make these
Speaker 1: bad choices and live with the consequences.
Speaker 1: But the wrath of God that is coming, let's say
Speaker 1: in the tribulation is of a whole different nature, different, yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is more this is sort of an indirect
Speaker 1: path of God versus the wrath. But part of it,
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at this, they're burning with lust.
Speaker 1: There there's no satisfaction, and I believe that's part of
Speaker 1: the wrath of God that no matter what they do,
Speaker 1: there's no satisfaction now.
Speaker 1: Um, Brian knows this, and a lot of people who
Speaker 1: have listened to Brian preach before know that I am
Speaker 1: a true crime aficionado. I just, you know, I love
Speaker 1: these true crime programs, books, which is why it kind
Speaker 1: of scares me when Brian's not on time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, she finally got him.
Speaker 1: I'm joking. She snapped, snapped exactly. But I love books
Speaker 1: by Ann Rule. I just, she was my favorite. But
Speaker 1: one of the things that you see is that these
Speaker 1: people who, when they finally get caught, their lives have
Speaker 1: not been prosperous after a crime.
Speaker 1: They've been living with this shame, this guilt, they've been
Speaker 1: trying to hide, they've been on the run, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the people, the narcissists, the egotist, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're so upset when they get caught and when the
Speaker 1: guilty verdict comes down, they're like, what, what, what? Uh,
Speaker 1: there's actually a scripture in Proverbs that says the um
Speaker 1: wicked does not understand justice, and I think that, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of it, the wrath can be the delusion.
Speaker 1: Um, that they're so delusional and they don't think straight anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean there are all sorts of consequences that we
Speaker 1: cannot see and then I think when you were talking
Speaker 1: about the invisible attributes I would say gravity is an
Speaker 1: invisible attribute. We live with laws that we cannot violate.
Speaker 1: And in violate laws like the laws of physics that
Speaker 1: we are so dependent on the uh the, you know,
Speaker 1: oxygen is a law in itself and so we live
Speaker 1: with these things and doesn't anyone stop to think like
Speaker 1: wait a second, what if I didn't have oxygen?
Speaker 1: You know, what if the plants stopped doing the photosynthesis,
Speaker 1: they're living by rules and because the plants and the
Speaker 1: trees abide by these rules of absorbing the sun and
Speaker 1: taking carbon dioxide, mixing it together and um.
Speaker 1: And chlorophyll and producing oxygen we can breathe and you
Speaker 1: know pollution after a while it you know we've got
Speaker 1: radiation we've got some of I think radiation is a
Speaker 1: great result of man's sin that we've got, you know,
Speaker 1: these additives and foods and now people are saying well
Speaker 1: cancer comes from.
Speaker 1: These additives that we've added to food, so I, I
Speaker 1: think again it's these laws of nature that govern us
Speaker 1: that we know and those are some of the invisible
Speaker 1: uh attributes and, and Paul says that the invisible attributes
Speaker 1: are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made.
Speaker 1: So the argument is simply that there there where there's
Speaker 1: a design, there's a designer, where there's a creation, there's
Speaker 1: a creator.
Speaker 1: So you can't look at nature. If you look at
Speaker 1: nature and decide this is just a product of natural processes,
Speaker 1: this is, you know, based on like evolutionary, uh, theory,
Speaker 1: those kinds of things, this is what Paul as he's
Speaker 1: going on there, he's talking about um how, how people
Speaker 1: professing to be wise became fools because the evidence is
Speaker 1: right in front of them, but they won't.
Speaker 1: Um, receive the clear message that's being communicated that where
Speaker 1: there's a creation, there is a creator, where there's a design,
Speaker 1: there is a designer.
Speaker 1: And where there's law, there's a lawgiver. There's a lawgiver. Hey, Ron,
Speaker 1: does this help you?
Speaker 1: Is it also possible, Pastor Brian, that examples in the
Speaker 1: past could be what Paul was talking about, such as
Speaker 1: the flood of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a matter of fact, when you look at
Speaker 1: Romans chapter one, I think what happens sometimes is we, um,
Speaker 1: we try to look at it, you know, very specifically
Speaker 1: in maybe say our own context, sometimes in history it
Speaker 1: really would fit and other times you'd say, well, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't see much of that in.
Speaker 1: Society, but I think what Paul is describing there is he's,
Speaker 1: he's ultimately describing where every society, civilization, people end up
Speaker 1: when they reject the knowledge of the true God. So
Speaker 1: this is a, a cyclical thing, this happened, this is
Speaker 1: repeated over and over again in history because this describes
Speaker 1: Paul's day, this describes what you said, you could go
Speaker 1: back to Sodom and Gomorrah, that's a description of Sodom
Speaker 1: and Gomorrah as well.
Speaker 1: And it now describes um much of the world in
Speaker 1: our day as well, so.
Speaker 1: Ron, thanks for your phone call, and now we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to Evan who is calling in from Los Angeles
Speaker 1: listening on FM 107.9. The number to call, by the way, 888-564-6173.
Speaker 1: We've got a little over a half hour left, so
Speaker 1: call in. Hi, Evan, how can we help you today?
Speaker 1: Hi, Pastor, thanks for taking my call. Um, I have
Speaker 1: a question regarding mediums and spirits. Um, my sister lost
Speaker 1: her son and husband, and she was told like
Speaker 1: That there's this medium or whatever that they can, you know,
Speaker 1: the dead can communicate through these mediums. So she actually
Speaker 1: went to this conference in San Diego and, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of people and the lady walked around
Speaker 1: and um started talking about
Speaker 1: You know, my, my brother-in-law and my nephew didn't say
Speaker 1: the names, but it was clearly them and was was
Speaker 1: even able to tell her how they passed, which was
Speaker 1: only available in a corners report things like that. So
Speaker 1: I was wondering, are these things legitimate? Is it biblical, demonic?
Speaker 1: Can you kind of give your insight on that? I
Speaker 1: would think it was demonic. I mean, the demons know
Speaker 1: they saw.
Speaker 1: They can pick up on that the mediums are they're
Speaker 1: talking to spirits they're talking to strange spirits and remember
Speaker 1: the spirits, the demons, their whole thing is to get
Speaker 1: you away from God and so I think that they
Speaker 1: no doubt knew the situation and they told her um.
Speaker 1: You know, years ago my mom before she married my dad,
Speaker 1: my mom was adopted and she was with some friends
Speaker 1: and she went to a carnival where they went to
Speaker 1: see a medium and the medium told this other couple who, uh,
Speaker 1: she was with a guy and a girl who weren't
Speaker 1: interested in each other at all and she said, you know,
Speaker 1: in 5 years' time you two will get married and
Speaker 1: you know such and such and she looked at my
Speaker 1: mom and she said.
Speaker 1: And my mom wasn't even walking with the Lord at
Speaker 1: the time, but she said the lady's face just turned
Speaker 1: just this like, like she hated my mom, and she
Speaker 1: said there's gonna be nothing for you, nothing good, nothing
Speaker 1: will ever happen with you. You're nothing and just lit
Speaker 1: into my mom and my mom later reflecting on that
Speaker 1: really said it was so demonic and even at the
Speaker 1: time she thought, you know, this is, this is awful.
Speaker 1: And later, you know, my mom was just a huge
Speaker 1: component in the Jesus revolution and everything that happened and
Speaker 1: my mom lived one of the most uh godly joyous
Speaker 1: uh exciting lives of anyone I ever knew. And so she,
Speaker 1: she looked back on that and that couple that she
Speaker 1: was with, they actually did get married and so she
Speaker 1: was like it was so weird that she could know
Speaker 1: this and she really felt that was, it was so.
Speaker 1: Um, demonic and it's a dangerous thing because Satan's a seductor,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's gonna draw you in and he'll
Speaker 1: say a little bit of truth and then surround it
Speaker 1: with a bunch of lies and you know with Eve
Speaker 1: he's like, did God say you couldn't eat of all
Speaker 1: the trees in the garden? Like he knew that there
Speaker 1: was one prohibition, but he was, he was playing uh
Speaker 1: with her with a little bit of truth.
Speaker 1: And a lot of lies. Brain, you've got a scripture there,
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think um this would be a good place
Speaker 1: to to point your sister. Leviticus chapter 20, it says, um,
Speaker 1: It's, it's talking about the person who turns to mediums
Speaker 1: and familiar spirits, and then it says to prostitute themselves.
Speaker 1: And he's talking more here about someone who's giving themselves
Speaker 1: over as a as a medium or, you know, something
Speaker 1: to that effect. But then he goes on and he says,
Speaker 1: a man or a woman who is a medium or
Speaker 1: has a familiar spirit, this is how severe this is.
Speaker 1: He says they shall surely be put to death. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, this was under the law, and that's not
Speaker 1: the same, um.
Speaker 1: Kind of penalty today, but nevertheless, the point is these
Speaker 1: are evil spirits that people are contacting and God is
Speaker 1: prohibiting that. So, um, like Cheryl said, um, now there,
Speaker 1: there's a possibility that this person is actually um a
Speaker 1: very clever and um.
Speaker 1: You know, it just has, has gotten this whole thing down,
Speaker 1: you know, if somebody comes, they have to register or
Speaker 1: something like that, they get information about them. These kinds
Speaker 1: of things have happened over and over again. Uh, even
Speaker 1: with fake Christian ministries, there's a, a person years ago
Speaker 1: who used to go around an audience and he would,
Speaker 1: you know, walk up to somebody and tell them everything
Speaker 1: about themselves and what was actually happening is they had
Speaker 1: Uh, information on the person that somebody was feeding into
Speaker 1: his ear at the time, and he was acting like
Speaker 1: he was prophetically speaking to them and, you know, he
Speaker 1: was busted and uh exposed. So, but this, this is
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing that's quite common with mediums
Speaker 1: and spiritist as well. But like we're saying, scripture does
Speaker 1: warn that there is a real danger with real evil spirits,
Speaker 1: so you don't wanna go down that road.
Speaker 1: Evan, thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break now and then we'll be
Speaker 1: back with more of your questions. 888-564-6173. Richard we'll talk
Speaker 1: to you when we come back first, and everyone else
Speaker 1: who wants to call in, you've got about 30 minutes left.
Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is our number. We've got Brian and Cheryl Broderson
Speaker 1: from Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa here. If you're watching us online,
Speaker 1: call in if you've got a question. It's nice to
Speaker 1: see you guys chatting there amongst each other, but if
Speaker 1: you wanna chat with us.
Speaker 1: We'd love to chat with you too. 888-564-6173.
Speaker 1: We're back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number. I'm
Speaker 1: Brian Perez here with Brian Broderson and Cheryl Broderson from
Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Right before the break, we were
Speaker 1: talking to Evan who was wondering about mediums and
Speaker 1: Consulting them, uh, to talk to the dead and everything else, and, uh,
Speaker 1: reminded me of an article that I recently read that
Speaker 1: said that 25% of Christians I astrology, tarot cards, and
Speaker 1: fortune tellers. What would you guys make of that? Well,
Speaker 1: it said mainly for fun.
Speaker 1: True, mainly for fun, but even for fun, is it
Speaker 1: OK to
Speaker 1: Like I said, I had growing up in the church,
Speaker 1: I had friends who thought that stuff was funny and fun, um, no,
Speaker 1: we don't recommend it. My parents said you stay away
Speaker 1: from that and don't you do it and I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But you know, I was thinking though back to Evan
Speaker 1: how seductive the devil is. He knows our weaknesses, you know,
Speaker 1: it tells us in Ephesians chapter 6 that he strategizes,
Speaker 1: you know, seeking, uh, I'm sorry, it was in Peter
Speaker 1: that first Peter tells us he strategizes he goes around
Speaker 1: like a roaring lion seeking whom he can devour, and
Speaker 1: we're told that he has schemes, the schemes of the
Speaker 1: wicked one in Ephesians chapter 6, and what you see
Speaker 1: is a lion.
Speaker 1: Looks for the most vulnerable in a pack. They look
Speaker 1: for vulnerabilities limping is there, you know, it's interesting today
Speaker 1: I was walking and I saw a coyote and I
Speaker 1: didn't have my dog with me and I was really
Speaker 1: glad I didn't. He's a big guy, but he's got
Speaker 1: a limp right now. He's got a paw that's hurt
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, the coyote would have tracked
Speaker 1: us because he would have seen that limp and considered,
Speaker 1: you know, Barnabas to be vulnerable. Don't say your dog's name.
Speaker 1: The coyote might be listening. Now he's gonna know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, my dog's hanging out with a roadrunner, so I
Speaker 1: think we're going to be OK, but.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the whole thing is you just think about how
Speaker 1: Satan knows how or the demonic powers know how vulnerable
Speaker 1: this woman is and how much she loved her husband
Speaker 1: and how much she loved your son. And this, this
Speaker 1: kind of thing has happened over and over, especially in
Speaker 1: these kinds of contexts where there's grief and longing and so, well,
Speaker 1: you know, your, your husband, your son, you know, they
Speaker 1: just want you to know that they're actually doing really well.
Speaker 1: And then they come with some, yeah, they come up
Speaker 1: with some something that'll sort of and you had you
Speaker 1: had a dog you must no, a cat, right, that's it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry he had said cat. I, I just got
Speaker 1: it mixed up, yeah, that kind of stuff. But you know, I,
Speaker 1: I wanna, I wanna say this again that it, you know,
Speaker 1: the wicked wicked try they take.
Speaker 1: Are virtues and they try to use that, you know,
Speaker 1: as vulnerabilities you know I I was reading that Ted
Speaker 1: Bundy would always fake a broken arm so that you
Speaker 1: know these young victims would think that he was helpless
Speaker 1: and needed help and he would play on people's sympathies
Speaker 1: to um take advantage and hurt them. Remember the Good
Speaker 1: Samaritan scam years ago where people were pulling off on
Speaker 1: the side of the road and putting their.
Speaker 1: Hoods up on their car and a good Samaritan would
Speaker 1: pull over and they would mug them sometimes kill them
Speaker 1: and drive off in their car. It was a different
Speaker 1: way of doing carjackings and it was something that was
Speaker 1: going on. I think it was in the 60s and
Speaker 1: 70s that that was going on and they called it
Speaker 1: the Good Samaritan ploy, you know, or you know, I
Speaker 1: think of uh.
Speaker 1: These older people, um, we know a woman who somebody
Speaker 1: called and said.
Speaker 1: Grandma, and this woman said her grandson's name and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's who I am and I need help
Speaker 1: and so she ended up wiring, uh, was it $5000
Speaker 1: 3000 dollars to um the scam artist, you know, so
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna take, so that's why we've got
Speaker 1: to be aware, you know, Paul said, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but it gets
Speaker 1: spiritual powers.
Speaker 1: And high places and we need to be discerning.
Speaker 1: We need to be smart, and I think those kind
Speaker 1: of things, even if they're just for fun, they dull
Speaker 1: your sys they dull your senses, and I think they
Speaker 1: leave you more vulnerable because if you say, oh, it's
Speaker 1: just for fun, there's nothing to it, you're not realizing
Speaker 1: who you're dealing with that you're playing cards with a monster,
Speaker 1: you know, with a devouring beast. 888-564-6173. Richard in Costa
Speaker 1: Mesa listening on the Kwave app. Hello,
Speaker 2: how
Speaker 1: can we help you today?
Speaker 2: Hi, um, so I want to begin by saying, um,
Speaker 2: when I was young, I used to go to Calvert Chapel,
Speaker 2: Costa Mesa and listen to Pastor Chuck. I was like
Speaker 2: 40 years ago, and I was, you know, this young
Speaker 2: kid and um.
Speaker 2: And now I just started going back again. I, I
Speaker 2: never stopped going to church, but went to a different
Speaker 2: church for many years, and I started going back, and
Speaker 2: I love Char. He's such a great teacher, and I
Speaker 2: love the fact that he is in essence, you know,
Speaker 2: a direct descendant of Pastor Chuck, and that just gives me,
Speaker 2: you know, I think he's a great teacher. I like
Speaker 2: a lot of the things about Calvin.
Speaker 2: I think you guys should be super proud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, his name is Brian Charles. I named him
Speaker 1: after my dad and uh yeah and Charles is the
Speaker 1: one that sticks and not only what interesting about that
Speaker 1: because I always knew I was gonna name if I
Speaker 1: had a son he was gonna be named after my
Speaker 1: dad and uh of course he's always gone by Char
Speaker 1: Charlo like Charles and um.
Speaker 1: When that was our fault, not his that was his
Speaker 1: sister's fault and my mother's fault. She just liked calling
Speaker 1: him Charlo, but one of the interesting things is he
Speaker 1: looks like my dad. He looks, he's a thin version
Speaker 1: of my dad, but even when he was a baby,
Speaker 1: I remember when my dad first held char and I said,
Speaker 1: What do you think, Dad? And he said, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm looking in a mirror.
Speaker 1: And I just think, you know, looking back now you
Speaker 1: see wow, was that prophetic, you know, so thank you
Speaker 1: so much and we feel the same we just, we
Speaker 1: love hearing him preach we just sit on the edge
Speaker 1: of our seats. I take notes I just absolutely uh.
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the most tremendous Bible teachers
Speaker 1: I've ever heard in my entire life. And I'm saying
Speaker 1: that with total uh non-prejudice, non-bias.
Speaker 1: And you can hear Char every Sunday morning at 11
Speaker 1: o'clock here on Kwave if you can't be there in
Speaker 1: person at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. So, uh, what's your
Speaker 1: question for us today, Richard?
Speaker 2: OK, so, uh, my daughter just graduated from Calver Chapel
Speaker 2: High School, Costa Mesa, a couple of weeks ago, maybe
Speaker 2: a week ago, and now she's 18 years old, and, uh,
Speaker 2: she's always seen my wife and I give. She doesn't
Speaker 2: have a job yet, you know, we've always been very
Speaker 2: open and talk talking to her about, you know, giving
Speaker 2: to the church and her church organizations.
Speaker 2: And um since I retired, I received a Social Security
Speaker 2: from her because she's under 18. Anyway.
Speaker 2: My question is,
Speaker 2: And teaching her how to give to God's work.
Speaker 2: I wanna, I wanna be able to, what I do
Speaker 2: is I give part of my tithe to the church
Speaker 2: and part of my tithe to organizations that kind of
Speaker 2: work with what Jesus said. Jesus said things like, when
Speaker 2: I was hungry, you fed me when I was sick.
Speaker 2: He visited me and all these different things and there's
Speaker 2: tons of parent organizations that do those things. My question is.
Speaker 2: How should believers, in your opinion, right, or maybe what
Speaker 2: the Bible says, how should believers give.
Speaker 2: Um, their, their money or God's money to the different
Speaker 2: things that are available to give.
Speaker 1: See, we're, we're just like you. That's what we do. We,
Speaker 1: we give um a certain amount to the church always have, um,
Speaker 1: I believe that a certain amount should go to the
Speaker 1: place that you're fed, you know, I think that that's,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, if you live in the house,
Speaker 1: you pay, you know, rent or you help with the expenses,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it's
Speaker 1: There's a scripture that says communicate or give to those
Speaker 1: who uh is that in Hebrews teach you teach you
Speaker 1: the word so there's a certain obligation we have to
Speaker 1: the place I think to tithe to the place or
Speaker 1: to give to the place where we fellowship and we're
Speaker 1: investing in it. We're saying I'm a part of this.
Speaker 1: I'm invested in that and I think that's good.
Speaker 1: But I also think that there's a place to give
Speaker 1: uh to other ministries, and Brian and I have for years, uh,
Speaker 1: we'll choose one usually a year and we'll give to
Speaker 1: that one, during the year. uh, my son-in-law had a
Speaker 1: church in New York and we were uh tithing, uh,
Speaker 1: we were tithing partially to that church too. And so
Speaker 1: we usually choose kind of something like that, like, uh,
Speaker 1: Compassion International or a ministry like.
Speaker 1: That uh Johnny Ericson Tatter or something like that to
Speaker 1: also uh give to we've we've given to uh voice
Speaker 1: of the refugees we try to we don't give to
Speaker 1: the same one year after year we we kind of
Speaker 1: like to just pray and see where we both feel
Speaker 1: led to give and he'll come to me and say,
Speaker 1: you know, I really feel like we should give to
Speaker 1: this missionary couple and so we'll do that or he'll say,
Speaker 1: I think we should give to this church. It's a startup,
Speaker 1: let's do that so.
Speaker 1: Um, we've done that for years. So I think Richard,
Speaker 1: you're right on the money, so to speak.
Speaker 1: T
Speaker 1: Richard, thanks for your phone call today. Did you have
Speaker 1: anything to add, Brian? No, no. OK, Richard, thanks for
Speaker 1: calling us today on Pastor's Perspective. We've got another question
Speaker 1: about Solomon, uh, that was sent in on Facebook, uh,
Speaker 1: Facebook Messenger. This is from Luce, who asks what happened
Speaker 1: to the manna and Aaron's staff that they were mentioned
Speaker 1: during Solomon's time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't mentioned during, I don't think Solomon's time,
Speaker 1: but they were mentioned that they were in the ark
Speaker 1: um in Exodus. Those are what Moses put in, um,
Speaker 1: some people think that when it went to Philistine territory,
Speaker 1: that that might have been when they were removed or
Speaker 1: that maybe when they were at the house of uh
Speaker 1: Oed Edom or uh remember there's a story of like
Speaker 1: the whole Israeli town.
Speaker 1: Um, they didn't they die because they looked into the
Speaker 1: ark and a lot of people think at that point
Speaker 1: they took the rod and they took the manna, so
Speaker 1: that's pretty much how the, you know, nobody knows though, yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a passage that that.
Speaker 1: It, I don't know if it's in the profits or
Speaker 1: but it talks about what was left from that and
Speaker 1: the Aaron's rod was not there and it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just the 10 commandments, yeah, and that, yeah, the
Speaker 1: tablets and then there was maybe the um.
Speaker 1: The Jerome? No, no, yeah, here we go, yeah, 1
Speaker 1: Kings 8:9. Nothing was in the ark except the two
Speaker 1: tablets of stone which Moses put there. Look at that.
Speaker 1: Our resident, well, Luce had put that in his, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: that's it. So like, um, but again, um, when the
Speaker 1: ark was taken by the Philistines, some people believe that's
Speaker 1: when those items were taken out and
Speaker 1: I don't think the Philistines would have known at all
Speaker 1: what they were or those people in Israel, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know think about it like even in Israel
Speaker 1: when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, the the shepherd
Speaker 1: that found them, um, the first person he sold it,
Speaker 1: he tore up the Dead Sea Scrolls and was selling
Speaker 1: them in fragments.
Speaker 1: They had been like a whole scroll, and he started
Speaker 1: cutting them up and selling them in fragments, not as
Speaker 1: like ancient, ancient, you know, manuscripts like, oh wow this
Speaker 1: is cool. Who was this? The the kid or the,
Speaker 1: you know, the shepherds that found in order we can
Speaker 1: get more money if we cut it out and sell more.
Speaker 1: And so I think probably what happened even in that
Speaker 1: day is they said, oh, we can sell relics.
Speaker 1: From the Ark of the Covenant and you've got to
Speaker 1: remember at that time too, you know, David's trying, uh,
Speaker 1: this is during Saul's time and Israel is not fully
Speaker 1: committed to the Lord during Saul's reign. They've got some
Speaker 1: strange ideas in fact, even Saul has some strange ideas,
Speaker 1: even kills the priest, so it's not a good time
Speaker 1: spiritually for Israel. So, um, you consider that would have
Speaker 1: been the time when, uh, those men in that city
Speaker 1: died and they probably.
Speaker 1: Well, it says they looked into the ark, so that
Speaker 1: might have or they might have disintegrated those items when
Speaker 1: oxygen hit the ark when they, you know, took the
Speaker 1: lid off it could be that they disintegrated with the uh.
Speaker 1: With the air that that got it, there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of speculation, and that's all we're doing is speculating, isn't it, right?
Speaker 1: That's all we're doing that's all Cheryl's doing integration theory,
Speaker 1: that's a new one, but, um, OK, yep, let's uh
Speaker 1: move on to the conference. Let's yes, yes, we have,
Speaker 1: as we have mentioned many times, we have a great,
Speaker 1: great ministry leaders conference coming up a little bit later
Speaker 1: this month, but it's coming quickly.
Speaker 1: It's going to be the 22nd to the 25th of
Speaker 1: this month, June, and it is going to be held
Speaker 1: at Reliance Church in Temecula, California, and the theme is
Speaker 1: the way forward, the ministry according to Jesus, and we've
Speaker 1: got a great, great lineup of uh main session, uh,
Speaker 1: teachers going through that uh portion of scripture, John 13
Speaker 1: to 17.
Speaker 1: And then we've got tons of great seminars and workshops
Speaker 1: for virtually every aspect of ministry in the church. So
Speaker 1: Cheryl's teaching. Cheryl is teaching a workshop, she's doing a
Speaker 1: work on the way forward. Yeah. So anyway, um, conference.
Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel.com, you can get all of the information there.
Speaker 1: You can see the speakers, see the topics and so forth,
Speaker 1: and come out and join us. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: great time.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, conference. Calvary Chapel.com. Here's another question that was
Speaker 1: sent in online. My name is Gloria. I would like
Speaker 1: to know what does it look like to observe the Sabbath.
Speaker 1: Brian, you know, um, speaking of our ar.
Speaker 1: He did a couple of different um messages on what
Speaker 1: the Sabbath observances in our day should look like or
Speaker 1: be like. Yeah, yeah, those are, you can find them
Speaker 1: at CCCM.com. There's uh those, those were actually really good
Speaker 1: messages too. I, I think, you know, there's no obligation
Speaker 1: to keep the Sabbath today and um yet we recognize
Speaker 1: that it is something that God gave us a gift.
Speaker 1: And yet each person really needs to come up with
Speaker 1: their own way of doing that, you know, for some people,
Speaker 1: 11 thing is restful for another person that's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: that that's really, I don't, I don't really get any
Speaker 1: rest from that. I get rest from this. So it's
Speaker 1: the idea though of ceasing from your normal activity, or
Speaker 1: normal labor.
Speaker 1: And giving time to just being refreshed, giving time to reflect,
Speaker 1: giving time to spend.
Speaker 1: Some extra, uh, hours with the Lord, you know, family,
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. So there's a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: It's very individualistic in one sense.
Speaker 1: And Gloria, I found those messages on the Calvary Chapel
Speaker 1: Costa Mesa website, CCCM.com. Click on media, and then scroll
Speaker 1: down to March 16th and March 23rd of this year.
Speaker 1: March 16th, Jesus, Lord of Sabbath, King of Mercy, and, uh,
Speaker 1: March 23rd, Jesus, the Lord of Sabbath rest. So check
Speaker 1: those out. And he did one last year too, in
Speaker 1: May called Sabbath Rest. He really likes the Sabbath. He
Speaker 1: likes the Sabbath, yes. All right, Gloria, thanks for calling in.
Speaker 1: And we've got a follow-up call here from
Speaker 1: Joe, who uh called a while ago from Riverside watching
Speaker 1: us on YouTube. Joe, hi there. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling 888-564-6173.
Speaker 1: Hi Brian. Hi, Carol. Hi Pastor Brian. Hi Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted to let you know that you're
Speaker 1: uh Sheryl, you changed my life a long time ago
Speaker 1: when you were talking about to read part of the of.
Speaker 1: Uh, any of the, uh
Speaker 1: The four Gospels to incorporate that in your, in your
Speaker 1: Bible study, you said that a long time ago. Mhm.
Speaker 1: And, and I, and I did, and it just totally changed.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it, but it just
Speaker 1: changed everything. I started doing it every single time.
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's like.
Speaker 1: Something big happens, you know, with my, with my time
Speaker 1: with God, my, you know, Bible study by my devotion.
Speaker 1: I agree. I still do it. I still read a
Speaker 1: portion of the gospel. In fact, I was in John
Speaker 1: chapter 4 this morning. Um, I was at with the woman, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes such, I, I tell Brian sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like going to my favorite restaurant and you just
Speaker 1: walk in, you're like, Oh, I love this place. I
Speaker 1: love the ambiance. I know exactly what I want to order.
Speaker 1: I just love this place and I feel like sometimes
Speaker 1: when the gospels become
Speaker 1: So familiar in that in that regard that you're like,
Speaker 1: oh I love this one, you know, I just finished
Speaker 1: Luke so I was on the road to Emmaus and
Speaker 1: I think Luke chapter 24 is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: chapters in the whole Bible.
Speaker 1: But I still do it and I'll do it for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life because I feel like it
Speaker 1: just keeps me close to Jesus and reminds me who
Speaker 1: Jesus is so I'm not falling for, you know, these
Speaker 1: crazy wacky ideas about who Jesus is. It's like, no, I,
Speaker 1: I know him. I, I walk with him every day,
Speaker 1: you know, we were just, you know, and Cana yesterday
Speaker 1: in Samaria today, you know, I, I know him.
Speaker 1: So that is so great, Joe. I am so excited.
Speaker 1: So are you in Vermont?
Speaker 1: No, I'm in Riverside. Oh, Riverside. OK, I just saw
Speaker 1: VT afterwards, so I was like, wait, is there a Riverside's. No,
Speaker 1: it's YouTube. YouTube. YouTube. OK. All right. Yeah, we just
Speaker 1: ask people when they call in how it is that
Speaker 1: they're listening or watching. OK, now I'm I'm so tee,
Speaker 1: thanks for calling us today on Pastor's Perspective, and it
Speaker 1: is good.
Speaker 1: Uh, to spend time in the Gospels because like with
Speaker 1: these one year Bibles, these one year reading plans, and
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with them if, if that's, if that
Speaker 1: works for you, great. Go get Chery going on that.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, yes, well, we've only got a few minutes left, so,
Speaker 1: but like for me it it that means you're only
Speaker 1: reading the Gospels once a year. That just doesn't seem like,
Speaker 1: you know, I, I've tried the one year Bible and
Speaker 1: everything dried up for me spiritually, um.
Speaker 1: And then I find like if you, you know, if
Speaker 1: you miss a day or you miss two days, which
Speaker 1: sometimes happens with busyness, then you're reading 20 chapters at
Speaker 1: one sitting and how much are you really getting? Because
Speaker 1: you're trying to catch up then and you're always trying
Speaker 1: to play catch up or I had a woman say, oh,
Speaker 1: I just skip those chapters and just move on. I'm
Speaker 1: not those, I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm not a person who can skip. I have to
Speaker 1: go A, B, C, D. It's the way I, I
Speaker 1: function and so for me it just became so absolutely
Speaker 1: frustrating and I felt like I was doing an Evelyn
Speaker 1: Woods dynamic and I have friends who love the one
Speaker 1: in your Bible. They do it every year and they
Speaker 1: get so much out of it and I have some
Speaker 1: people that, you know, they journal and they do it,
Speaker 1: but you have to have for me because I'm a.
Speaker 1: Brian knows I, I have to like go deep and
Speaker 1: I like to, you know, sometimes I get stuck on
Speaker 1: one word like why that word and what is that
Speaker 1: word in the Greek and what are some different translations
Speaker 1: and where is it found, you know I like to
Speaker 1: I like to really.
Speaker 1: Uh, do deep, deep dives in the word of a
Speaker 1: God and so just reading through it, it's hard for me. We,
Speaker 1: we tried because our church actually did it together and
Speaker 1: so I thought, you know what I'm gonna do is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that part, um, auditory. So I did the, uh,
Speaker 1: is it the you version and I did it through
Speaker 1: the U version. That's how I was able to, but
Speaker 1: even so, I did get behind and then I was
Speaker 1: listening to 40 chapters. I'm like, no, not again.
Speaker 1: So I think I fell behind by March. It's like crazy.
Speaker 1: My life gets so busy. Every February, life gets crazy.
Speaker 1: This last February it was New Zealand and usually it's England,
Speaker 1: so it's just a crazy time to try to keep
Speaker 1: up with something like that.
Speaker 1: And that's when it just becomes legalistic and wrote and
Speaker 1: you're just like, are you really reading to read and
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because I'm in Proverbs right now.
Speaker 1: I'm also in Proverbs and I'm in First Timothy and
Speaker 1: I'm in the gospels always but in Proverbs, he's always
Speaker 1: saying get understanding. He says get wisdom.
Speaker 1: Wisdom is not information, it's the application of knowledge. Knowledge
Speaker 1: by itself, as Paul said, knowledge puffs up but love edifice.
Speaker 1: So some people look at the Bible and it's just
Speaker 1: a source of information. It's all about, you know, um,
Speaker 1: being informed and knowing when what happened and that. But
Speaker 1: for those of us who go deep, it's, it's, it's a,
Speaker 1: it's not just about the information, it's about how that
Speaker 1: information is in me, in my heart.
Speaker 1: And it's become wisdom and is being worked out through
Speaker 1: my words, through my actions, you know, how the Holy
Speaker 1: Spirit is taking residency. Brandon and I were talking about this,
Speaker 1: that the word of God, God's word is not a
Speaker 1: means in itself and it's not the end. It's a
Speaker 1: means to get into a deep relationship with God and
Speaker 1: to know God and to know Jesus. So if you're
Speaker 1: in the gospels and you're getting to know Jesus like
Speaker 1: he's your friend.
Speaker 1: And you know him so well and it becomes more
Speaker 1: and more and more personal that's that's the goal of
Speaker 1: the Bible to make us more like Jesus because we
Speaker 1: know him so well and so um we were talking
Speaker 1: about that because we feel like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who specialize in chapter by chapter verse by verse,
Speaker 1: but they don't understand the the whole message of the
Speaker 1: Bible because you know Paul says the end.
Speaker 1: Of the law is love and we know a lot
Speaker 1: of people that know a lot of information they could
Speaker 1: tell you all about their particular tree, but they cannot
Speaker 1: tell you about the forest and they definitely don't love
Speaker 1: the other trees. And so it's like I think you
Speaker 1: might be missing the forest. This is the best tree
Speaker 1: right here. We're just gonna stare at this one, just
Speaker 1: this one. We like the way the branches are. The
Speaker 1: other branches are crooked. We don't like, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't like the birds in the other trees.
Speaker 1: But you know we're a forest and you know it's
Speaker 1: unity and the forest has an ecosystem and they they
Speaker 1: help each other and so um we need the Bible's
Speaker 1: got a united message. All right, before we go, let's, um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pray for the situation in Israel and Iran
Speaker 1: and all of that. So Father, we, we just want
Speaker 1: to give this to you, Lord, obviously you know way
Speaker 1: more about everything than we do.
Speaker 1: Uh, we think of friends that we have in Israel today,
Speaker 1: and we think of the fact that, you know, missiles
Speaker 1: are coming in and all of that. So Lord, we
Speaker 1: pray for your protection. Uh, Lord, we pray for the
Speaker 1: Iranian people, uh, for your protection over them as well.
Speaker 1: We pray that this, uh, regime that has caused so much, uh,
Speaker 1: evil and, um, trouble, turmoil in the world would be removed,
Speaker 1: and we pray for.
Speaker 1: Uh, a new day of liberty for the Iranian people,
Speaker 1: but Lord, the whole thing is, you know, you know
Speaker 1: what it is, so we just thank you that you
Speaker 1: are the, the God of the universe and that you
Speaker 1: are sovereign over all things. So we just want to
Speaker 1: mention this to you today and commit it to you
Speaker 1: in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 1: Amen. And that's all the time we have on today's
Speaker 1: pastor's perspective. We'll see you at church this Sunday. Service
Speaker 1: times at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa are at 8:30 and
Speaker 1: 11 o'clock. We would love to see you come out.
Speaker 1: You can get more information, the address and everything at CCCM.com,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again on Pastor's perspective on Monday.
Speaker 1: Have a great weekend. God bless. Bye bye.