WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-10/09/26 0:00:20.030 --> 0:00:24.630 Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez, 0:00:24.669 --> 0:00:27.870 and it is Friday. We are here live in the 0:00:27.870 --> 0:00:30.950 studio until 4 o'clock to answer the questions you have 0:00:30.950 --> 0:00:34.579 about God's word, the Christian faith, just about anything that's 0:00:34.579 --> 0:00:38.419 on your mind. Grab an open line while there's still time. 0:00:38.509 --> 0:00:40.989 I love rhyming. Don't always rhyme, but sometimes I do. 0:00:41.188 --> 0:00:46.069 888-564-6173 is the number to call. Don't forget we're also 0:00:46.069 --> 0:00:46.708 live streaming. 0:00:47.069 --> 0:00:50.589 On Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram, so you can watch us 0:00:50.589 --> 0:00:53.339 as we do the show. 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We probably won't 0:01:19.607 --> 0:01:21.608 see your question today though, so if you need an 0:01:21.607 --> 0:01:24.008 answer today, if you need an answer before the weekend, 0:01:24.089 --> 0:01:27.349 maybe you've got friends coming over this weekend and uh 0:01:27.478 --> 0:01:29.728 the last time you got together, they asked you a 0:01:29.728 --> 0:01:34.797 question that you weren't sure how to answer, call in 888-564-6173. 0:01:35.048 --> 0:01:38.508 We've got Pastor Brian Broderson here today answering your questions. 0:01:38.569 --> 0:01:39.607 What's going on, Brian? 0:01:41.619 --> 0:01:43.020 Well, Brian, um, 0:01:44.089 --> 0:01:50.130 I had Cheryl right next to me and then she 0:01:50.130 --> 0:01:51.270 just um 0:01:51.839 --> 0:01:54.960 It slipped away. I, I tried to hold on to her, 0:01:55.079 --> 0:01:59.130 but she said, nope, I'm going. Ah, the truth is 0:01:59.719 --> 0:02:03.130 she has wanted a haircut for a really long time, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.119 and our daughter, you know, is her hairstylist, so she 0:02:07.119 --> 0:02:10.399 has not had a haircut for about 6 months because 0:02:10.399 --> 0:02:13.100 my daughter's been, you know, here on the East Coast. So, 0:02:13.479 --> 0:02:16.100 so anyway, today was the day, it was the moment. 0:02:16.710 --> 0:02:19.439 Elsie said, Mom, I'll cut your hair right now, and 0:02:19.439 --> 0:02:20.320 Cheryl said, Brian. 0:02:20.999 --> 0:02:23.790 Adios, you're on your own, you can handle it, you're 0:02:23.790 --> 0:02:29.480 a big boy, and, um, yeah, so here I am. Sorry. Well, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.320 that's fine, but you know, Kelsey could have cut Cheryl's 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.680 hair there on camera. That would have been cool to 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.439 see a live haircut. 0:02:39.219 --> 0:02:41.939 Yeah, it would have been awesome. We could have done that, yeah, yeah, 0:02:42.029 --> 0:02:44.150 you know, Cheryl, she's a little shy though. She doesn't 0:02:44.150 --> 0:02:46.249 like to really get in front of the camera too much, so. 0:02:47.889 --> 0:02:53.520 Well, that's OK. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. Let's 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.409 answer at least one question that was submitted online, this 0:02:56.409 --> 0:03:01.049 one through the, I have to first um respond to 0:03:01.049 --> 0:03:03.630 the chatter that I heard before we came on the air. 0:03:04.010 --> 0:03:07.609 Somebody said they thought I was in South Connecticut, so, uh, 0:03:07.689 --> 0:03:09.730 there is not a South Connecticut, I guess there's a 0:03:09.730 --> 0:03:11.609 southern part of Connecticut, um. 0:03:12.850 --> 0:03:15.520 I was combining the two because I couldn't remember if 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.169 you were in South Carolina or Connecticut, so I just 0:03:18.169 --> 0:03:22.570 said South Connecticut. I think it was somebody else who said. OK, yes, 0:03:22.650 --> 0:03:24.809 it was somebody else. It was, it wasn't me, it 0:03:24.809 --> 0:03:27.320 wasn't me. I would not think of saying anything like that. 0:03:27.370 --> 0:03:29.689 It wasn't. I would, I, you know, I would, you 0:03:29.689 --> 0:03:33.210 are such a well informed person. I would never ever 0:03:33.210 --> 0:03:33.969 think that you did that. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.730 I know my 50 states. I know South Connecticut is 0:03:37.730 --> 0:03:42.680 not one of them. So, so there, neither is East Virginia. 0:03:43.469 --> 0:03:46.990 I just wanna make sure that um I'm OK with 0:03:46.990 --> 0:03:50.189 the camera because you know sometimes that's right in a 0:03:50.189 --> 0:03:53.210 little bit of trouble my chin get gets cut off 0:03:53.210 --> 0:03:55.909 but I think I'm OK. Can we see all the 0:03:55.909 --> 0:03:57.630 hairs on Brian's chinny chin chin? 0:03:58.809 --> 0:04:01.790 Yeah, there's plenty of those. OK, yeah, yes. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:08.279 This is true. All right, 888-564-6173. Here's a question that 0:04:08.279 --> 0:04:13.260 was submitted online from Thomas in Fallbrook, and he writes, 0:04:13.329 --> 0:04:15.279 I have a question and I'm hoping you can help 0:04:15.279 --> 0:04:19.058 clarify it. I would like to understand whether we are 0:04:19.058 --> 0:04:22.919 born with only a soul or with both a soul 0:04:22.919 --> 0:04:26.839 and a spirit. If the spirit is attached to our soul, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.198 is it the same spirit as the Holy Spirit, the 0:04:30.198 --> 0:04:32.799 one who gives us connection to God? 0:04:33.229 --> 0:04:35.240 Thank you for your guidance. Brian, what would you say 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:36.198 to Tomas? 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:40.339 Well 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:45.409 The Holy Spirit is obviously the Holy Spirit. The Holy 0:04:45.409 --> 0:04:49.539 Spirit is God. He's the third person of the Triune God, 0:04:50.079 --> 0:04:54.560 and so he's distinct from us, but he comes and 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:59.440 takes up a residence in us. But um we do 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:04.679 have a spirit that is not the Holy Spirit. So, 0:05:04.919 --> 0:05:07.220 you know, we are, um, 0:05:08.460 --> 0:05:12.128 Spirit beings, ah, of course, we're material, we have a 0:05:12.128 --> 0:05:16.779 physical body, ah, we have some, some people, you know, 0:05:16.859 --> 0:05:20.579 there's a debate over whether we are a, um, 0:05:22.258 --> 0:05:25.120 Uh, kind of a 2. 0:05:25.990 --> 0:05:29.089 Oh, I forget the word right now, but, um, you know, 2. 0:05:29.870 --> 0:05:34.960 Two part being or a tripart. I remember the tripart, 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.280 I can't remember the two part one, so I'll just 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.180 call it two part, um, so there is bipartite theological. 0:05:43.389 --> 0:05:49.049 Bipart is the is the 3, yeah, yeah, but then, um, oh, 0:05:49.089 --> 0:05:51.529 I forget, I, my mind just like right now, but it, 0:05:51.729 --> 0:05:55.090 but anyway, so, you know, there's like a long, it's, 0:05:55.169 --> 0:05:58.969 it's more of a philosophical discussion, um, but it is 0:05:58.969 --> 0:06:02.789 theological as well. So anyway, are we body, soul, and spirit? 0:06:02.889 --> 0:06:07.810 Are those all three distinct, or is the spirit and 0:06:07.810 --> 0:06:11.059 the soul synonymous? And 0:06:11.508 --> 0:06:15.310 I know you could kind of argue both ways, although 0:06:15.310 --> 0:06:20.869 in Thessalonians, the apostle Paul does refer to our spirit, soul, 0:06:20.948 --> 0:06:23.909 and body, so he refers to all three. So anyway, 0:06:23.990 --> 0:06:27.549 this is a long way of just saying that we 0:06:27.549 --> 0:06:31.869 do possess a spirit, and that spirit is brought to 0:06:31.870 --> 0:06:35.910 life by the Holy Spirit when we come into a 0:06:35.909 --> 0:06:37.508 relationship with Jesus. 0:06:39.448 --> 0:06:45.609 Yes, and um something else Thomas asked is, is the 0:06:45.609 --> 0:06:48.169 spirit in us the Holy Spirit? Is it the same 0:06:48.169 --> 0:06:49.729 spirit as the Holy Spirit? 0:06:51.139 --> 0:06:53.460 If we've received Jesus, yes, we're in dwelt by the 0:06:53.460 --> 0:06:56.339 Holy Spirit, but the Spirit that's in us naturally, no, 0:06:56.430 --> 0:06:59.619 it's not the Holy Spirit, it's, it's our spirit. Tomas, 0:06:59.729 --> 0:07:01.378 thank you so much for sending in your question through 0:07:01.378 --> 0:07:06.258 the pastor's perspective page at kwave.com, which you can easily 0:07:06.258 --> 0:07:08.339 get to if you're watching right now on Facebook, YouTube, 0:07:08.359 --> 0:07:09.000 or Instagram. 0:07:09.448 --> 0:07:12.490 Scan that QR code there and that'll take you right 0:07:12.490 --> 0:07:16.889 to the page. Let's go to the phones now. 888-564-6173 0:07:16.889 --> 0:07:18.609 is the number to call and we're gonna begin our 0:07:18.609 --> 0:07:23.199 time on the phones with Desiree. Oh, Desiree, listening in Fontana, 0:07:23.770 --> 0:07:25.690 welcome to Pastor's perspective, Desiree. 0:07:26.789 --> 0:07:28.250 Hi, hello. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:34.500 Hi. So, um, I had a question, um, in regards 0:07:34.509 --> 0:07:39.549 to some 3 visitors that I had today who were Mormons. Um, 0:07:39.900 --> 0:07:42.549 and I'm always open to anyone who wants to talk 0:07:42.549 --> 0:07:46.780 about Jesus Christ, and, and, um, so I had 23 0:07:46.780 --> 0:07:50.609 visitors that were coming in to talk to me about 0:07:50.829 --> 0:07:55.389 their beliefs in, um, Christianity and Mormon, and, um, 0:07:56.060 --> 0:07:59.020 They were talking to me about what makes a person 0:07:59.020 --> 0:08:02.199 saved and asked me what made me saved as a Christian, 0:08:02.259 --> 0:08:04.619 and I said that I believed in what Jesus did 0:08:04.900 --> 0:08:09.060 for me on the cross, and, um, and that, that 0:08:09.060 --> 0:08:11.280 I'm saved by the blood of Christ. 0:08:11.829 --> 0:08:15.190 And um they added some stuff to it and said 0:08:15.190 --> 0:08:19.349 that um that I'm not saved unless someone of a 0:08:19.349 --> 0:08:25.069 priesthood from, from Mormons or a church that has that 0:08:25.079 --> 0:08:32.608 that anointing to, to basically save me with, with their baptism, 0:08:32.629 --> 0:08:35.349 and I said, so what you're saying is there's a 0:08:35.349 --> 0:08:36.970 middleman besides Jesus. 0:08:37.479 --> 0:08:40.370 And they said, well, no, but there's a priesthood, and 0:08:40.370 --> 0:08:43.329 it made me think of, um, I, I believe it's 0:08:43.328 --> 0:08:48.369 First Peter of, of chapter two. I think it's talking 0:08:48.369 --> 0:08:53.129 about where, uh, we are considered royal priesthood as well 0:08:53.129 --> 0:08:54.089 and set apart. 0:08:54.929 --> 0:08:58.650 And um they just kept putting themselves in the middle 0:08:58.650 --> 0:09:02.329 as you cannot be saved, and I said, OK, so 0:09:02.328 --> 0:09:06.719 I have Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and, um, 0:09:06.730 --> 0:09:10.290 I live for Him and, um, and I have given 0:09:10.290 --> 0:09:11.809 my life for Him. He died for me. I live 0:09:11.809 --> 0:09:15.410 for Him. So what made, what are you saying? What 0:09:15.410 --> 0:09:17.050 happens to me when I die? Do I not go 0:09:17.050 --> 0:09:18.110 to heaven? And he says, 0:09:18.730 --> 0:09:21.939 Uh, no, you, you, you, I think you'll have to 0:09:21.939 --> 0:09:25.220 go through some kind of suffering, and, and I said 0:09:25.220 --> 0:09:28.660 that I'm sorry, but that's a lie, and, um, I 0:09:28.660 --> 0:09:31.559 guess it, it kind of made me think of, um, 0:09:32.100 --> 0:09:35.800 I wanna say Acts chapter 17 with Simon, the sorcerer of, 0:09:35.900 --> 0:09:37.629 of wanting to buy. 0:09:38.759 --> 0:09:41.479 The, uh, maybe I'm, I'm, I'm saying it wrong, but 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.879 he wanted to be the one to basically have the 0:09:44.879 --> 0:09:49.160 power to, uh, baptize and for the wrong motive. 0:09:50.059 --> 0:09:53.679 And that's what it felt like. It just felt so 0:09:54.420 --> 0:09:57.900 like man-centered. And so before they left, I shook their 0:09:57.900 --> 0:10:00.959 hand and I said, you know, I appreciate you guys, um, 0:10:01.139 --> 0:10:04.119 going from door to door because they were saying basically 0:10:04.300 --> 0:10:06.499 the word of God is not gonna go around the 0:10:06.499 --> 0:10:10.339 world without them only because the word that I have, 0:10:10.379 --> 0:10:13.800 the Bible that I stand on firmly, is not enough 0:10:14.139 --> 0:10:16.939 unless they give me the Book of Mormon. I rejected 0:10:16.939 --> 0:10:18.780 it and I said the book that I have. 0:10:19.350 --> 0:10:22.670 Is enough and that's the very word that I stand 0:10:22.670 --> 0:10:25.979 on and um so what's your main question for us Desiree? What, 0:10:25.989 --> 0:10:27.530 what part did you want us to clarify? 0:10:28.578 --> 0:10:32.100 I, I just would like to clarify of what, what, 0:10:32.259 --> 0:10:36.460 what was that about? What, what really, I just wanted 0:10:36.460 --> 0:10:40.499 that clarification of that assurance of what truly gives you 0:10:40.499 --> 0:10:44.819 space for everyone to hear clearly that what it is. Yeah, 0:10:45.009 --> 0:10:45.780 all right, Brian. 0:10:47.429 --> 0:10:49.550 Well, that's right. Let me commend you because you did a, 0:10:49.670 --> 0:10:53.349 I think you did a fantastic job in talking to, um, 0:10:53.509 --> 0:10:55.550 the fact that she didn't slam the door on them, 0:10:55.629 --> 0:10:58.509 I mean that right there is because that's usually what 0:10:58.509 --> 0:11:00.589 Brian does when they come to my house, and you know, me, 0:11:00.670 --> 0:11:04.069 I mean Brian, me, they, they travel in, in groups 0:11:04.069 --> 0:11:06.389 of two or three, and you know they do that 0:11:06.389 --> 0:11:08.309 for a purpose. They, they gang up on you a 0:11:08.309 --> 0:11:11.469 little bit, and it's great that you held your own. 0:11:11.949 --> 0:11:15.139 And yeah, I, I remember a conversation I had with 0:11:15.139 --> 0:11:17.470 some Mormons ages ago, and they, they came to my 0:11:17.470 --> 0:11:20.309 house as, as well, and we were talking and, you know, 0:11:20.350 --> 0:11:22.749 I was talking about being saved, and they're like, oh, saved, 0:11:22.860 --> 0:11:24.050 do you think you're saved? 0:11:24.499 --> 0:11:27.660 And, you know, for them, you can't be saved. Like 0:11:27.660 --> 0:11:31.118 you can't know you're saved. You've got to keep working 0:11:31.119 --> 0:11:33.729 and making sure you do all the, you know, the 0:11:33.730 --> 0:11:37.249 right things and of course, be part of the Latter-day 0:11:37.249 --> 0:11:40.460 Saints is, is that goes along with it, you know, so, 0:11:40.739 --> 0:11:42.280 so I, you know, I would just take them to 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.770 the Bible and show them, for by grace you are saved, 0:11:44.939 --> 0:11:50.559 past tense, through faith, and, you know, the sad thing is, with, 0:11:50.578 --> 0:11:51.960 as it is with so many. 0:11:52.259 --> 0:11:55.719 Um, there's kind of a brainwashing that's gone on, and they, 0:11:56.059 --> 0:11:59.579 they've just been sold, um, you know, a spiritual bill 0:11:59.578 --> 0:12:03.179 of goods that's phony, and they, they bought it, which 0:12:03.179 --> 0:12:06.259 is crazy. Ah, you know, when you really start looking 0:12:06.259 --> 0:12:08.379 into Mormonism and the things they believe, you just think, 0:12:08.509 --> 0:12:09.179 how do 0:12:10.078 --> 0:12:13.719 Otherwise intelligent people even believe this stuff because it really 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:18.360 is wild, a lot of it. And so I, I 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.639 think you did great, ah, you obviously are saved, you've 0:12:22.639 --> 0:12:25.949 trusted in Jesus, that's what you do to be saved, 0:12:26.059 --> 0:12:30.119 and Joseph Smith lived in the 1800s and he claimed 0:12:30.119 --> 0:12:34.840 that he saw an angel, um, you know, Moronai appeared 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.488 to him and told him all of the 0:12:36.879 --> 0:12:39.239 All of the churches were wrong and now he was 0:12:39.239 --> 0:12:43.160 going to be the, the founder of, of a new movement, 0:12:43.170 --> 0:12:46.999 and you know, there's good evidence that he was pretty 0:12:46.999 --> 0:12:52.360 much a con artist and probably a criminal as well, so, um, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.910 but that doesn't seem to dissuade anybody, which is crazy. 0:12:57.170 --> 0:13:00.300 11 thing I will say though, it's interesting because they do. 0:13:00.809 --> 0:13:03.439 Like they were saying to you, they really put stock 0:13:03.439 --> 0:13:06.050 in this whole priesthood thing, and you know, they claim 0:13:06.050 --> 0:13:11.449 to have 12 living apostles, and they claim to possess 0:13:12.009 --> 0:13:17.729 the priesthood of Melchizedek, which is wild, and of Aaron also. So, 0:13:17.780 --> 0:13:22.008 you know, the priesthood of Aaron was the priesthood of um, 0:13:22.629 --> 0:13:25.550 The Old Testament. Aaron was the brother of Moses, and 0:13:25.550 --> 0:13:28.429 he became the first priest, high priest, and then his, 0:13:28.629 --> 0:13:32.309 his descendants were the priests after him. And, um, and 0:13:32.309 --> 0:13:38.829 then Jesus is, according to Psalm 110 and according to 0:13:38.828 --> 0:13:41.530 Hebrews chapter 6. 0:13:41.970 --> 0:13:45.090 Ah, chapter 5. He, he is a priest according to 0:13:45.090 --> 0:13:47.759 the Order of Melchizedek. So, so here's the point. The 0:13:47.759 --> 0:13:52.480 funny thing is they claim to possess the priesthood of Aaron. Well, um, 0:13:52.730 --> 0:13:56.199 Hebrews chapter 8 tells us the, or chapter 7, the 0:13:56.199 --> 0:13:58.410 end of chapter 7 tells us the priesthood of Aaron 0:13:58.410 --> 0:14:01.550 is obsolete, doesn't exist anymore. It went out of existence, 0:14:02.009 --> 0:14:04.170 and then it tells us it went out of existence 0:14:04.170 --> 0:14:07.290 because a new priest arose who was not a descendant 0:14:07.290 --> 0:14:07.889 of Aaron. 0:14:09.050 --> 0:14:11.800 Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, but he's a 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.840 priest according to the Order of Melchizedek, and he holds 0:14:15.999 --> 0:14:18.248 an untransferable priesthood. 0:14:19.059 --> 0:14:22.699 So his priesthood is not transferable. It can't be passed 0:14:22.699 --> 0:14:26.460 on to anybody else. It's his and his alone. So 0:14:26.460 --> 0:14:28.900 they claim to be have the priesthood of Aaron, which 0:14:28.900 --> 0:14:32.059 no longer exists. They claim to have the priesthood of Melchizedek, 0:14:32.090 --> 0:14:36.819 which can't be passed on from Jesus. He, he forever 0:14:36.819 --> 0:14:41.460 is a priest. And um so anyway, that's just a 0:14:41.460 --> 0:14:45.300 little side note, if they come back, maybe you can 0:14:45.300 --> 0:14:48.179 remember that and talk to them about that, but. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:53.210 Again, good job, and, um, you know, pray for him. 0:14:53.290 --> 0:14:54.739 I mean, who knows? 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.119 So you never know, God, God can break through with some, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.600 and I, and I have seen like in even in 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.280 the situation where they travel together in teams or groups, 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.759 and I, I've even seen situations where one person in 0:15:06.759 --> 0:15:07.999 the group, you can tell that. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.160 Something's not sitting quite right with them, and they could 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.460 be the very one that the, the Holy Spirit is targeting. So, 0:15:15.879 --> 0:15:18.199 so it's not in vain when you do that. I'm 0:15:18.199 --> 0:15:20.999 glad you mentioned all that extra stuff too, Brian, because 0:15:20.999 --> 0:15:23.150 there's a lot of people who listen to K-wave, a 0:15:23.150 --> 0:15:25.679 lot of Mormons who listen to K-wave, and they've called 0:15:25.679 --> 0:15:29.329 into the show before. They've, you know, written emails to us, whatever, 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:30.379 and they'll say, 0:15:31.009 --> 0:15:34.809 I wish you guys would stop putting down Mormons. We're 0:15:34.809 --> 0:15:38.638 your brothers and sisters too, so they're listening right now. 0:15:38.730 --> 0:15:40.369 I'm glad you gave that extra information. 0:15:41.079 --> 0:15:43.359 Yeah, and, you know, we 0:15:43.989 --> 0:15:47.429 We are glad they're listening and, and, but, but we 0:15:47.429 --> 0:15:50.790 really want them to come to know the real Jesus 0:15:50.790 --> 0:15:56.059 because you can't, you can't be saved by a Jesus who, um, 0:15:56.189 --> 0:15:58.860 is not the Jesus of the Bible. And the Jesus 0:15:58.860 --> 0:16:00.710 of the Bible, as we know in John chapter one, 0:16:00.790 --> 0:16:03.110 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was 0:16:03.110 --> 0:16:05.110 with God and the Word was God. 0:16:05.470 --> 0:16:08.350 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. So, 0:16:08.660 --> 0:16:12.340 so Jesus is God. There's only one God. There's not, 0:16:12.540 --> 0:16:16.840 you know, it's not Adam who ascended to be God. 0:16:17.540 --> 0:16:23.210 There's one God, the eternal Creator, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, 0:16:23.300 --> 0:16:24.900 and we must. 0:16:25.489 --> 0:16:28.809 Embrace him by faith and what he did on the 0:16:28.809 --> 0:16:32.129 cross in order to be saved, and we don't add 0:16:32.129 --> 0:16:32.569 to that. 0:16:33.319 --> 0:16:37.960 We don't add to it joining another denomination or organization 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:43.460 or even going from door to door and telling people 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.079 about our beliefs. That doesn't save anybody, so only trust 0:16:48.079 --> 0:16:50.739 in Jesus. That's right. Desiree, thanks for your phone call 0:16:50.739 --> 0:16:57.020 today here on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173. Let's go to Buena Park. 0:16:57.790 --> 0:17:00.840 And uh William, are you at Knott's Berry Farm right now? 0:17:02.170 --> 0:17:04.889 Yeah, well, I'm scared of rides, but, you know, I've 0:17:04.889 --> 0:17:07.470 had my own life of, uh, you know, thrill seeking. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.079 So what do you want to know today? 0:17:12.239 --> 0:17:15.599 Sir, all I can say is this, uh, God bless 0:17:15.599 --> 0:17:17.680 you guys for what you do because growing up, my 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.639 grandma always had you guys on and it's honestly, it's great, 0:17:21.839 --> 0:17:25.759 it's just so encouraging, so encouraging. Y'all doing the Lord's work. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.839 God bless you. God bless you guys. 0:17:28.718 --> 0:17:32.879 Mm, well, thank you. That's great. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.459 Uh, I'm a thinker and then I, I'm, I'm always thinking. 0:17:38.209 --> 0:17:39.849 You know, I'm always thinking about everything. 0:17:41.290 --> 0:17:44.489 But, um, and, and today, in today's passage I, I 0:17:44.489 --> 0:17:48.109 wanted to know about was the Joel 2:28 when it says, 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:49.888 and I have my Bible right here on me, you 0:17:49.888 --> 0:17:52.759 gotta keep the sword on me just like Peter and all. And, um, 0:17:52.888 --> 0:17:53.469 and it says, 0:17:54.489 --> 0:17:57.129 The Lord will pour out His Spirit, that's the title, 0:17:57.369 --> 0:17:59.649 and it shall come to pass afterward that I will 0:17:59.650 --> 0:18:01.950 pour out my Spirit unto all flesh. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.290 Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy. Your old men 0:18:05.290 --> 0:18:08.810 shall dream dreams. Your monks, your young men shall see visions. 0:18:09.089 --> 0:18:11.450 It's highlighted here in my passage. It's been on my 0:18:11.450 --> 0:18:14.719 mind for like, man, a while. I don't even know, probably, 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.458 probably a while, probably like 2020, maybe 2019. I don't 0:18:18.459 --> 0:18:21.958 even know. But, um, in this regard, in this regard, 0:18:22.009 --> 0:18:24.129 I wanna know what that pertains to because like, is it, 0:18:24.209 --> 0:18:25.570 is it pertaining to. 0:18:26.489 --> 0:18:30.409 You're oneself, like maybe the goals or aspirations, and then 0:18:30.410 --> 0:18:32.410 stepping out of faith and if you're fearful, you could 0:18:32.410 --> 0:18:33.790 see yourself doing these things. 0:18:34.989 --> 0:18:37.190 Like whatever it may be, some things of the Lord, 0:18:37.270 --> 0:18:39.388 like you don't even speak, it just comes and then 0:18:39.388 --> 0:18:42.109 it's like almost confirmation where you're, you, I work in 0:18:42.109 --> 0:18:44.300 customer service, so I talk to different people every day, 0:18:44.388 --> 0:18:46.430 what they do about their job, and it gives me 0:18:46.430 --> 0:18:48.649 just my insight on what direction I should go to 0:18:48.969 --> 0:18:50.070 because I, I just turned to. 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.839 Just turned 26, so I'm a young man trying to 0:18:52.839 --> 0:18:55.040 find my way, you know, but, um, his way is 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.469 the best way, and you know, the life, you know, 0:18:58.759 --> 0:19:01.239 and then, so I wanna know what that means as 0:19:01.239 --> 0:19:03.399 well as to pertain to old man child your dreams. 0:19:03.479 --> 0:19:05.670 Now I have a, I have a grandfather. He'll be 0:19:05.670 --> 0:19:10.638 turning 90, 92 in October, uh, 21st. Thank God for 0:19:10.638 --> 0:19:12.719 his health. Thank you. Wow, that's great. 0:19:13.930 --> 0:19:16.599 His, his mind is, is, is, uh, his mind is, 0:19:16.650 --> 0:19:19.689 you know, so sometimes it, it takes an effect where 0:19:19.690 --> 0:19:22.290 he has, he has these things, there are little episodes 0:19:22.290 --> 0:19:23.969 and all that, but for the most part, his body 0:19:23.969 --> 0:19:26.969 is healthy, like clean bill of health, thank God, thank God. 0:19:27.089 --> 0:19:30.189 That's awesome, William. So is your question like does this 0:19:30.729 --> 0:19:34.909 Bible verse pertain to you? Is this something you're experiencing, 0:19:35.089 --> 0:19:37.649 dreams and visions and everything, and you're wondering if this is, I, 0:19:37.660 --> 0:19:41.830 I want, yeah, yeah. Mhm, mhm. All right, Brian, what 0:19:41.830 --> 0:19:42.530 do you say to William? 0:19:43.310 --> 0:19:44.719 Yeah, William, um, 0:19:45.729 --> 0:19:48.609 So glad you called, and it's great that you're thinking 0:19:48.609 --> 0:19:51.888 about this stuff. That's, that's good. It's good to think 0:19:51.888 --> 0:19:55.729 on ah the things of God. So, so the passage 0:19:55.729 --> 0:19:59.690 from Joel, and maybe you, maybe you're familiar with this, 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.930 but if you go over to the New Testament, to 0:20:01.930 --> 0:20:06.729 the second chapter of Acts, um, and we come to 0:20:06.729 --> 0:20:08.649 what's called the Day of Pentecost. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.680 So Jesus has died, he's risen again, he's promised the 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.759 disciples that the Holy Spirit is going to be poured out, 0:20:14.839 --> 0:20:19.200 he's ascended back into heaven, and he says, wait, um. 0:20:20.570 --> 0:20:27.109 Till you're empowered from, from heaven. And so then in 0:20:27.109 --> 0:20:29.659 chapter two, it says, so when the day of Pentecost 0:20:29.660 --> 0:20:36.859 fully came, um, the Holy Spirit came down and rested 0:20:36.859 --> 0:20:40.459 on the disciples as they were gathered together, and they 0:20:40.459 --> 0:20:43.820 began to speak with other tongues, and there was a, um, 0:20:44.020 --> 0:20:48.020 over each of their heads there was what looked like 0:20:48.020 --> 0:20:49.520 a flame of fire. 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.920 And so they, they began to speak with tongues, and 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:59.359 they began to praise God, and all kinds of people 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.040 from all around the world were in Jerusalem at the 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.479 time because this is the feast of Pentecost and all 0:21:05.479 --> 0:21:09.739 of the adult males come to Jerusalem during this feast, 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.040 but they come from all over the world because they're 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:13.800 spread from all over the world at this time, so 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.639 they speak a variety of different languages. 0:21:16.290 --> 0:21:19.910 But they all hear this small group of people. They 0:21:19.910 --> 0:21:23.589 hear them speaking the praises of God in their languages 0:21:23.589 --> 0:21:26.950 from their country. And so their big question is, wow, 0:21:27.109 --> 0:21:30.770 what is going on? These people are, they're kind of 0:21:31.070 --> 0:21:33.589 freaked out a bit. It's like, wow, how, how do 0:21:33.589 --> 0:21:36.619 these people know these languages and what, what, what is 0:21:36.619 --> 0:21:39.129 happening here? And somebody even said, oh yeah, they're drunk, 0:21:39.190 --> 0:21:39.669 you know. 0:21:40.060 --> 0:21:43.589 And Peter stands up and he says, No, they're not drunk. 0:21:43.910 --> 0:21:46.589 It's only 9 in the morning. He says, but this 0:21:46.589 --> 0:21:50.030 is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel. In 0:21:50.030 --> 0:21:52.259 the last days, I will pour out my Spirit on 0:21:52.259 --> 0:21:55.469 all flesh. So, so Peter tells us that on the 0:21:55.469 --> 0:21:59.509 day of Pentecost, Joel's prophecy was fulfilled. So the Spirit 0:21:59.509 --> 0:22:03.810 was poured out on the disciples, and they were empowered 0:22:04.150 --> 0:22:06.150 to serve Jesus. 0:22:06.650 --> 0:22:11.349 So we who are believers today and everybody in between, 0:22:12.249 --> 0:22:15.810 the day of Pentecost and today, um, as we put 0:22:15.810 --> 0:22:19.530 our trust in Jesus, we are also filled with the 0:22:19.530 --> 0:22:23.129 Holy Spirit and we are empowered to serve the Lord 0:22:23.129 --> 0:22:26.009 and God gives us a calling and He gives us 0:22:26.009 --> 0:22:28.369 gifts in order to fulfill the calling. 0:22:28.969 --> 0:22:32.089 And, um, he, like he, like you said there, he says, 0:22:32.170 --> 0:22:36.089 you know, prophesying and having dreams and visions, and these 0:22:36.089 --> 0:22:40.129 are the things that began to happen when the Holy 0:22:40.129 --> 0:22:43.030 Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost. So, 0:22:43.369 --> 0:22:45.560 that was the beginning of what the Bible calls the 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.650 last days, and we're still in that period known as 0:22:48.650 --> 0:22:51.050 the last days. We're just, I think we're just at 0:22:51.050 --> 0:22:53.910 the other end, the far end of the last days, 0:22:54.050 --> 0:22:55.629 getting ready for Jesus to return. 0:22:56.369 --> 0:22:58.770 But the same Holy Spirit that was poured out on 0:22:58.770 --> 0:23:02.430 that day and that was promised in Joel, the Holy Spirit. 0:23:03.099 --> 0:23:08.580 Is um with us today as well and so as you, William, 0:23:08.700 --> 0:23:11.109 you just say, Lord, you know, fill me with your spirit. 0:23:11.180 --> 0:23:12.939 I want to be full of the spirit in you. 0:23:13.790 --> 0:23:16.150 Just trust him like you're doing, you know, you're going 0:23:16.150 --> 0:23:19.030 to work and you're in fellowship and you're in the 0:23:19.030 --> 0:23:23.910 word and you're looking for opportunities to serve the Lord, God. 0:23:25.050 --> 0:23:29.290 is empowering you in those things. So that's what that 0:23:29.290 --> 0:23:30.169 passage is about. 0:23:31.410 --> 0:23:34.709 William, thanks for calling in today to Pastor's Perspective. Early 0:23:34.709 --> 0:23:38.410 happy birthday to your grandpa and thank your grandma for 0:23:38.410 --> 0:23:41.810 always listening to K-Wave and, you know, training up her 0:23:41.810 --> 0:23:44.410 grandchild and the way he should go, and all these 0:23:44.410 --> 0:23:49.728 years later, he's listening to Kwave for himself. God bless you, man. Yes, 0:23:49.810 --> 0:23:55.609 it is. 888-5864-6173. Rachel and Dana Point watching us on YouTube. 0:23:55.770 --> 0:23:58.239 We'll wave hi to Rachel. How can we help you today? 0:24:00.410 --> 0:24:04.869 Hi, so thanks for the call. Let me take my question. 0:24:05.249 --> 0:24:09.349 The question is I have um 3 of us girlfriends 0:24:09.489 --> 0:24:10.229 who got together. 0:24:11.138 --> 0:24:14.580 And two of the ladies were talking about how their 0:24:14.580 --> 0:24:19.339 grown children are just a little bit discouraged because they're 0:24:19.339 --> 0:24:22.109 home kids. It's like the same story. They're both home. 0:24:22.509 --> 0:24:26.060 We're homeschoolers and just told their kids all their life 0:24:26.060 --> 0:24:29.978 that God has a, um, someone special to wait on 0:24:29.979 --> 0:24:32.979 the Lord. Well, now they're in their mid-30s. I, I 0:24:32.979 --> 0:24:34.888 don't wanna give any names just in case, you know, 0:24:34.950 --> 0:24:39.020 just to protect their image and whatnot, but, um, they 0:24:39.020 --> 0:24:40.119 said that, um. 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.560 Maybe, it depends on how the Lord wants to work 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.060 it out, um. 0:24:46.959 --> 0:24:50.619 Having the kids introduced, boy and girl, obviously. 0:24:51.629 --> 0:24:56.670 So, um, the other sister was like, that's not right, 0:24:56.770 --> 0:24:59.570 you can't do that, you guys are meddling. 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.810 But everyone seems to be open. Even I've shared the 0:25:03.810 --> 0:25:09.229 story with, uh, is it, um, Isaac's wife where the 0:25:09.229 --> 0:25:13.359 servant went out and they asked for a guy to, uh, 0:25:13.369 --> 0:25:17.810 water the camels, um, and I think, um, she was 0:25:17.810 --> 0:25:21.389 a Gentile. She wasn't even a, you know, part of the. 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.320 You know, Israel and all that. I think she was 0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:25.580 a Gentile, Rachel. 0:25:27.550 --> 0:25:28.249 Um, 0:25:30.249 --> 0:25:33.849 Yeah, Rebecca, yeah, but she was part of Abraham's family, 0:25:34.050 --> 0:25:37.330 so there was, um, at this point, there wasn't really 0:25:37.330 --> 0:25:39.729 a nation of Israel yet, so that, that would come 0:25:39.729 --> 0:25:46.089 later because her grandson Jacob would become Israel. Yeah, so, yes, exactly. 0:25:46.170 --> 0:25:49.369 And so I was giving my girlfriend that story to 0:25:49.369 --> 0:25:53.070 remember what, and then even with how Naomi kind of 0:25:53.219 --> 0:25:54.889 intermingled again, I guess. 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:56.869 Yeah, right, yeah. 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.520 And it was pretty, pretty hardcore the way Naomi told 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:05.530 her to do it because I would assume having a 0:26:05.530 --> 0:26:09.109 woman at your feet, you know, would be such a scandal. 0:26:09.249 --> 0:26:12.208 But yet, um, that's how the Lord put it all 0:26:12.209 --> 0:26:14.290 together and, and, and they were blessed. I mean, we 0:26:14.290 --> 0:26:18.070 were blessed. She isn't she the great, great grandma of Jesus? 0:26:19.509 --> 0:26:22.690 So I was telling them, yeah, so as I was 0:26:22.690 --> 0:26:24.030 telling my girlfriends about. 0:26:24.379 --> 0:26:27.259 They're heavy hearts for their kids, and one's a boy, 0:26:27.339 --> 0:26:29.560 one's like, they're around the same age, almost the same 0:26:29.660 --> 0:26:33.660 uh upbringing, Calvary Chapel. It's like, it's like very parallel, 0:26:33.739 --> 0:26:34.339 both of them. 0:26:35.138 --> 0:26:39.169 But this other um ladies like you guys are wrong 0:26:39.170 --> 0:26:41.708 and that's not right and that's not of the Lord 0:26:41.709 --> 0:26:44.270 and so then are you asking, is it OK to 0:26:44.270 --> 0:26:48.109 like set up your kids with people you might know 0:26:48.109 --> 0:26:52.050 or whatever, Rachel? Well, yeah, yeah, because it sounds like 0:26:52.150 --> 0:26:55.030 their kids are, it's kind of like the same storyline 0:26:55.030 --> 0:26:57.629 where they tried even the online when it was in 0:26:57.629 --> 0:26:57.888 and 0:26:58.330 --> 0:27:00.900 And everything's just not, it's just been a mess because 0:27:00.900 --> 0:27:03.259 these people who say they're Christians, they end up not 0:27:03.259 --> 0:27:07.780 being Christians and drinking and you know, so the mom's like, well, 0:27:07.820 --> 0:27:10.859 my daughter doesn't drink and she's like, my son doesn't 0:27:10.859 --> 0:27:14.920 drink and they're built, they're both musical, raised in Calvary. 0:27:15.180 --> 0:27:16.570 There you go. Maybe it's uh 0:27:18.349 --> 0:27:20.910 I guess, you know, I guess the big, I mean, 0:27:20.989 --> 0:27:23.729 I don't, it's not wrong to do that. I mean, it, 0:27:23.869 --> 0:27:27.810 it might not work out, but, you know, if you're just, 0:27:28.450 --> 0:27:32.509 obviously you can't force anybody in that direction, although many 0:27:32.509 --> 0:27:35.070 people in the world today, in different parts of the world, 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:39.748 actually do have arranged marriages, you know, I know people 0:27:39.749 --> 0:27:41.349 that were, um, 0:27:42.219 --> 0:27:46.060 Sort of promised to one another when they were little 0:27:46.060 --> 0:27:49.619 children and they grew up and then they married because 0:27:49.619 --> 0:27:54.129 that was the culture and um so all that to say, 0:27:54.180 --> 0:27:56.420 you know, that that that still happens. It doesn't really 0:27:56.420 --> 0:28:00.060 happen in our Western culture, but um. 0:28:00.888 --> 0:28:05.969 To suggest that maybe there could be a match here 0:28:05.969 --> 0:28:08.979 and to pray about it, that's great. Obviously, at the 0:28:08.979 --> 0:28:11.300 end of the day, it's the couple that's going to 0:28:11.300 --> 0:28:15.659 make the decision whether or not this is, you know, 0:28:15.820 --> 0:28:19.219 God bringing them together, and they might, they might come 0:28:19.219 --> 0:28:22.459 together and realize, oh wow, you know, this is it, 0:28:22.530 --> 0:28:25.439 this is God's plan, and they might. 0:28:26.170 --> 0:28:29.570 Meet each other and say, oh, you know, you're nice and, 0:28:29.650 --> 0:28:32.450 you know, this is good and fine, but it doesn't 0:28:32.450 --> 0:28:35.170 go anywhere beyond that. So, so I think the only 0:28:35.170 --> 0:28:37.959 issue would be if, if they're trying to force something, 0:28:38.410 --> 0:28:41.209 then that would be concerning, but it doesn't sound like 0:28:41.209 --> 0:28:43.570 they're trying to force anything. It just sounds like they're 0:28:44.089 --> 0:28:46.320 maybe just dreaming like, wow, wouldn't it be great if 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:47.910 our kids got together? Well. 0:28:48.650 --> 0:28:50.009 It sounds like it could be great. 0:28:50.979 --> 0:28:53.540 I looked up, uh, earlier this week on Monday, I 0:28:53.540 --> 0:28:56.900 think it was when Char was on and, uh, the, 0:28:57.020 --> 0:28:59.440 the topic got brought up about Christian dating, and I 0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.879 think he mentioned that he met Grace through a friend, 0:29:02.499 --> 0:29:05.099 that a friend kind of told him, oh, hey, I 0:29:05.099 --> 0:29:06.780 want to introduce you to this girl or something. 0:29:09.790 --> 0:29:12.599 I don't remember the details, but you know, I'm, I'm 0:29:12.599 --> 0:29:16.989 sure glad they met. Yeah, that's true. So, uh, because 0:29:16.989 --> 0:29:20.229 I got a great daughter-in-law and some really great grandkids 0:29:20.229 --> 0:29:22.660 out of it. So awesome. Rachel, thanks for calling in 0:29:22.660 --> 0:29:25.239 and yeah, maybe go back and listen to Monday's episode, 0:29:25.310 --> 0:29:30.680 October 5th, 2026. It's archived on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, 0:29:30.759 --> 0:29:34.119 and Spotify, and it is break time here on Pastors. 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:39.759 Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. We're gonna be 0:29:39.759 --> 0:29:45.700 in the studio for another half hour, so call in 888-564-6173. 0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:52.080 Pastor Brian Broderson answering your questions till 4 o'clock. 888-564-6173. 0:30:20.459 --> 0:30:28.739 We are back here on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173, 888-564-6173. Pastor 0:30:28.739 --> 0:30:31.940 Brian Broderson answering your Bible questions till 4 o'clock, so 0:30:31.940 --> 0:30:35.700 call in to 888-564-6173. 0:30:37.469 --> 0:30:42.310 I just realized that I made a mistake and I 0:30:42.310 --> 0:30:48.060 said that Rebecca was the grandmother of Jacob who became Israel. 0:30:48.229 --> 0:30:51.589 Rebecca was the mother of Jacob who became Israel. Sarah 0:30:51.589 --> 0:30:55.910 was the grandmother, so just, you know, wanted to correct 0:30:55.910 --> 0:30:58.089 that in case there were some. 0:30:59.099 --> 0:31:02.619 Some people concerned out there that I didn't know my 0:31:02.619 --> 0:31:04.859 Bible that well. It's hard to keep track of all 0:31:04.859 --> 0:31:09.780 the books and characters and everything. The other day I 0:31:09.780 --> 0:31:13.280 was talking about the, um, which, which is a good 0:31:13.900 --> 0:31:16.139 topic to bring up, but we do have phone calls 0:31:16.139 --> 0:31:19.020 that we want to get to. But, um, the verse 0:31:19.020 --> 0:31:22.479 in Acts, and I can't think of it right now, 0:31:23.060 --> 0:31:23.639 where 0:31:24.420 --> 0:31:28.499 Paul is quoting Jesus, but we don't have anything in 0:31:28.499 --> 0:31:31.219 the gospel where Jesus actually said these words, and I 0:31:31.219 --> 0:31:33.660 can't remember what it is right now. But because I could, 0:31:33.820 --> 0:31:36.219 I was like, wait a minute, did Jesus, I, I 0:31:36.219 --> 0:31:38.139 don't remember reading that in the Gospels, but it is 0:31:38.139 --> 0:31:41.229 in there, it's just in Acts where Paul refers to 0:31:41.229 --> 0:31:43.879 Jesus saying these words, so I, I should not have 0:31:44.099 --> 0:31:46.499 doubted myself, but I did. What passage is that? Do 0:31:46.499 --> 0:31:47.080 you remember? 0:31:48.570 --> 0:31:51.950 Well, uh, there, there is a passage in, um, 0:31:54.379 --> 0:31:56.540 I think it's a, there, there is a passage where 0:31:56.540 --> 0:31:59.339 Paul says Jesus said it is more blessed to give 0:31:59.339 --> 0:32:01.560 than yes, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, yeah, 0:32:01.660 --> 0:32:04.320 it's in Corinthians, it's not in Acts. Oh, OK, you're right. 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.589 Yeah, and so yes, but right, there is no record 0:32:08.589 --> 0:32:11.879 of Jesus saying that, um, but of course, we know 0:32:11.879 --> 0:32:14.280 from John's Gospel that Jesus said and did many things 0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.040 that are not recorded, and if they were recorded, all 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.759 the books in the world couldn't contain the things that 0:32:19.759 --> 0:32:21.119 would be written therein, so. 0:32:21.999 --> 0:32:26.330 Yes, but that's it. That's it. Thank you. All right, um, 0:32:26.509 --> 0:32:29.700 so we were done with Rachel, but, um, how was that? 0:32:29.749 --> 0:32:32.150 And we do have other calls, Rachel, so what else 0:32:32.150 --> 0:32:33.020 did you want to ask quickly? 0:32:33.969 --> 0:32:36.609 I, I, I try not to call if I really 0:32:36.609 --> 0:32:39.369 have to. It's just, uh, I've been trying for a 0:32:39.369 --> 0:32:44.290 week already. So, so, um, both, um, children are well 0:32:44.290 --> 0:32:48.209 off already. They're, they're established. He's like, OK, mom, I 0:32:48.209 --> 0:32:50.639 have the house, I have the, I have everything. I'm 0:32:50.639 --> 0:32:53.060 ready for my wife. Where is she? It's been 40, 0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.030 about 30 years that you've been telling me. 0:32:55.709 --> 0:32:58.190 They don't know each other. And the girl from the 0:32:58.190 --> 0:33:01.969 other um girlfriend, she's like, OK, mom, you know, I'm ready. 0:33:02.349 --> 0:33:04.690 I got my ducks in order. Where's he at? It's 0:33:04.690 --> 0:33:08.619 been 30 years. Well, maybe this is the case, right, Brian? 0:33:08.660 --> 0:33:09.070 Who knows? 0:33:10.479 --> 0:33:15.030 Yeah, I mean, you know, they maybe, uh, you know, again, 0:33:15.930 --> 0:33:18.520 they could meet and it could be love at first sight. 0:33:18.570 --> 0:33:21.330 Oh my gosh, this is the person that I'd be 0:33:21.330 --> 0:33:24.330 prepared for for 30 years, or they could meet and 0:33:24.330 --> 0:33:27.209 just say, it's nice to meet you. Yeah. So, those 0:33:27.209 --> 0:33:28.830 are the things that I think. 0:33:29.629 --> 0:33:33.940 You don't want to meddle beyond just maybe suggesting or, 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:36.320 you know, setting up an opportunity. People do that all 0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.879 the time, right? I mean, my wife has been, um, 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:44.639 you know, she's in our younger years, you know, she 0:33:44.639 --> 0:33:49.639 was always matchmaking, always thinking like, ah, oh, they would 0:33:49.639 --> 0:33:52.200 be amazing. And in some cases, um, 0:33:53.509 --> 0:33:57.050 People, you know, we, we have so many friends that 0:33:57.910 --> 0:33:58.930 met through. 0:33:59.879 --> 0:34:04.589 Kind of relationships with us, and then they ended up, um, 0:34:04.839 --> 0:34:07.030 you know, meeting each other and falling in love. I 0:34:07.030 --> 0:34:10.680 think of, um, uh, Brian, you know, you know, Neil 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:14.719 Goding and Romy, um, you know, Romy. 0:34:15.780 --> 0:34:18.040 was a young girl who 0:34:18.890 --> 0:34:21.689 Ah, you know, came to the Lord and was part 0:34:21.689 --> 0:34:25.729 of our ministry in Vista in the early days. And 0:34:25.729 --> 0:34:28.009 then when we moved to England, you know, she, she 0:34:28.009 --> 0:34:30.520 became a really good friend. So she, uh, she had 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:32.290 gone with us on some of the outreaches. So anyway, 0:34:32.399 --> 0:34:34.790 when we finally moved there, she came over to visit. 0:34:35.248 --> 0:34:38.189 And in the meantime, I'd lived in England for a while, 0:34:38.248 --> 0:34:41.919 and I met this guy, Neil, and he was really great. And, uh, 0:34:41.929 --> 0:34:43.850 one night we all went out to dinner and 0:34:45.209 --> 0:34:49.199 Lo and behold, there were, uh, love was in the 0:34:49.199 --> 0:34:54.969 air sparks and butterflies, fireworks, yeah, yeah, so they, you know, 0:34:55.009 --> 0:34:57.529 they've been married a long time now, and, uh, yeah, 0:34:57.630 --> 0:35:01.340 it's great. So that does happen. It does. Rachel, thanks 0:35:01.340 --> 0:35:03.770 for your phone call today on Pastor's Perspective. And now 0:35:03.770 --> 0:35:09.569 here's Michelle in San Diego. Thank you, Michelle, for calling 888-564-6173. 0:35:11.439 --> 0:35:12.429 Hello. Hi. 0:35:13.169 --> 0:35:13.689 Hi. 0:35:15.070 --> 0:35:18.149 So my husband keeps asking me this, to ask you 0:35:18.149 --> 0:35:20.949 guys this question. He wanted to know what happened to 0:35:20.949 --> 0:35:24.580 the spirit of the Nephlins, if it's, he thinks it's, 0:35:24.709 --> 0:35:27.949 they're still roaming around the earth today. 0:35:28.709 --> 0:35:30.370 And why can't your husband call and ask? 0:35:32.229 --> 0:35:35.790 I don't know. Just wondering. No, I'm joking. Brian, what 0:35:35.790 --> 0:35:38.270 do you say to Michelle's husband, Mr. Michelle? 0:35:41.149 --> 0:35:43.748 Well, you know, here's, here's the thing, we, we don't 0:35:43.748 --> 0:35:48.350 know much about that. Um, the Bible doesn't give us 0:35:48.350 --> 0:35:52.140 a whole lot. There, there are some people who don't 0:35:52.140 --> 0:35:57.649 even believe that the Nephilim were, um, the sort of half, 0:35:58.540 --> 0:36:04.330 Spirit, half human beings, um, or, or they were the 0:36:04.330 --> 0:36:07.620 ones who, you know, caused that kind of offspring to 0:36:07.620 --> 0:36:08.820 come into existence. 0:36:09.669 --> 0:36:11.550 So we know that um 0:36:12.969 --> 0:36:15.020 Everyone perished in the flood. 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.939 They would have perished in the flood if they had 0:36:19.709 --> 0:36:24.468 physical bodies, but then of course if they're also spirit beings, 0:36:24.590 --> 0:36:27.209 you know, demonic beings or something like that, then they would, 0:36:27.590 --> 0:36:29.189 they would go on, but they would go on in 0:36:29.189 --> 0:36:33.810 a place of judgment. So there's a passage in 2 Peter, 0:36:34.110 --> 0:36:39.529 and there's also one in Jude that talk about the 0:36:39.530 --> 0:36:43.259 angels who did not, it says they did not keep 0:36:43.259 --> 0:36:44.850 their first estate. 0:36:45.469 --> 0:36:49.239 And because of that, they are reserved in chains of darkness. 0:36:49.949 --> 0:36:52.909 So that could be a reference to them, that they 0:36:52.909 --> 0:36:55.209 didn't keep their first estate. In other words, they didn't 0:36:55.899 --> 0:36:58.030 remain in the place that God had created them in, 0:36:58.100 --> 0:37:01.810 but they stepped out of that and crossed a boundary, 0:37:01.909 --> 0:37:05.189 and this is where the idea that, you know, spirit 0:37:05.189 --> 0:37:08.949 beings and human beings had cohabited and produced offspring. 0:37:09.498 --> 0:37:12.219 So maybe that is a reference, but we just don't 0:37:12.219 --> 0:37:15.979 know because the Bible doesn't really give us any more 0:37:15.979 --> 0:37:19.499 detail on it. Some ancient literature, Jewish literature like the 0:37:19.498 --> 0:37:24.140 Book of Enoch, for example, goes into extensive detail about 0:37:24.140 --> 0:37:27.819 all of this, but it's just, it's not inspired, so 0:37:27.820 --> 0:37:30.299 we can't take it and say, oh, this is exactly 0:37:30.300 --> 0:37:32.939 what happened. This is kind of the mythology of the 0:37:32.939 --> 0:37:37.259 time that's rooted in what we read in Genesis, but, 0:37:37.689 --> 0:37:43.130 Uh, it's kind of the imagination of humans, uh, kind 0:37:43.130 --> 0:37:45.850 of run wild, so, so we don't know really. 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:47.409 What do you think, Michelle? 0:37:49.030 --> 0:37:51.550 Yeah, no, yeah, he did say something about the book 0:37:51.550 --> 0:37:55.020 of Enoch too. He must have been reading something or 0:37:55.020 --> 0:37:58.179 watching something on TikTok, and that's why he had all 0:37:58.179 --> 0:38:00.300 these questions, and he was, he was asking me and 0:38:00.300 --> 0:38:02.140 I was like, I don't know. I'm gonna ask the 0:38:02.140 --> 0:38:03.959 pastor's perspective, they know everything. 0:38:05.419 --> 0:38:07.509 Yeah, I think there's so much talk about that today, 0:38:07.590 --> 0:38:09.590 you know, lots of, I mean, the, these things kind 0:38:09.590 --> 0:38:12.248 of come and go in cycles, you know, I remember, 0:38:12.709 --> 0:38:15.149 I don't know, 30 years ago or whatever, a lot 0:38:15.149 --> 0:38:17.590 of people were talking about the Nephilim, and then, you 0:38:17.590 --> 0:38:19.489 didn't hear so much about them. We always did on 0:38:19.489 --> 0:38:22.929 pastor's perspective, because it's always a topic that comes up. 0:38:23.350 --> 0:38:26.988 But now, again, with, like you said, TikTok and things 0:38:26.989 --> 0:38:31.110 like that, ah, it's all kind of back, front and center, 0:38:31.149 --> 0:38:33.350 and everybody's talking about the Book of Enoch, and they're 0:38:33.350 --> 0:38:34.469 reading the Book of Enoch. 0:38:34.919 --> 0:38:36.320 You know, you can read the book of Enoch if 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.520 you want, but just make sure you understand it's not 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.280 the Bible, it's not God's word, it's not inspired, and 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.759 so it's not gonna give you accurate information. 0:38:45.380 --> 0:38:48.419 I think the Nephilim of uh 2026 though is the 0:38:48.419 --> 0:38:51.899 Ethiopian Bible. We get like at least once a week 0:38:51.899 --> 0:38:54.299 it seems. It's kind of died down recently, but I 0:38:54.300 --> 0:38:57.060 remember earlier this year it seemed like once a week 0:38:57.060 --> 0:39:00.380 or something we'd be getting. It's true. And now that 0:39:00.380 --> 0:39:03.320 you brought it up again, someone's gonna call next week. 0:39:03.860 --> 0:39:08.880 Next week we're gonna be answering questions on the Ethiopian Bible. 0:39:09.370 --> 0:39:12.219 It's how it works. All right, Michelle, thanks for calling 0:39:12.219 --> 0:39:12.739 in today. 0:39:13.899 --> 0:39:16.270 OK, Brian, I've, I've gotta tell you this, um, 0:39:17.340 --> 0:39:21.280 I talked to our good friend, Doctor Ed Stetzer last night, 0:39:21.290 --> 0:39:25.560 and he said, hey, let's be in the studio together 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.429 next week. And I said, well, 0:39:28.340 --> 0:39:30.299 How about you go in the studio and I'll go 0:39:30.300 --> 0:39:34.140 on Zoom so that might show up next week. Nice. 0:39:34.429 --> 0:39:36.540 On Wednesday and I'll, and I'll, and I'll meet you, yeah, 0:39:36.659 --> 0:39:40.189 on Wednesday. Yeah, we're, we're here for a little bit longer. 0:39:40.259 --> 0:39:42.850 We're gonna come home on Friday, next Friday, a week 0:39:42.850 --> 0:39:45.300 from today. So, um, yeah. 0:39:46.110 --> 0:39:50.469 Got it. OK, well, it's been months since Ed's been on, 0:39:50.669 --> 0:39:54.709 and I mean he's a little reminder. Hold him to it. Yes, yes, 0:39:54.790 --> 0:39:58.149 I will send him a text right now. Uh, see 0:39:58.149 --> 0:40:00.748 what he says. All right, uh, Denise in Los Angeles 0:40:00.748 --> 0:40:04.270 listening on the Kwave app. Hello, thanks for downloading the 0:40:04.270 --> 0:40:08.189 app and thanks for calling 888-564-6173. 0:40:10.030 --> 0:40:12.600 Thank you for taking my call. Thank you for all 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.600 that you guys do. I really appreciate, uh, being able 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.229 to call in and get answers from time to time. 0:40:20.229 --> 0:40:21.819 And my question is. 0:40:23.060 --> 0:40:24.979 How do you decipher? 0:40:25.748 --> 0:40:30.239 If it's yourself, your own temptations and your desires, um, 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:35.678 thinking of James 1:4-16, uh, temptation comes from our own 0:40:35.679 --> 0:40:39.080 desires which entice us and drag us away. These desires 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:42.479 give birth to simple actions, and when sin is allowed 0:40:42.479 --> 0:40:46.229 to grow, it gives birth to death. So don't be misled, 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.939 my dear brothers and sisters, but how do you know 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:51.969 if it's the devil? 0:40:53.390 --> 0:40:56.498 Or you and 0:40:57.409 --> 0:41:01.770 Well, I hate to say it loud, but when I 0:41:01.770 --> 0:41:06.110 come to the Gospels, I read through the Bible every year, 0:41:06.530 --> 0:41:08.830 and when I come through the Gospels. 0:41:09.830 --> 0:41:13.290 Everything, it's like so much doubt. 0:41:14.199 --> 0:41:14.880 Comes 0:41:15.709 --> 0:41:18.709 And that God has such an awesome track record in 0:41:18.709 --> 0:41:21.498 my life. I've been a Christian all my life that 0:41:21.498 --> 0:41:24.350 I know that God is real. I know the Holy Spirit. 0:41:24.429 --> 0:41:29.029 I know Jesus. But what, what, why is there so 0:41:29.030 --> 0:41:32.550 much doubt when I get to the gospel? It's just, 0:41:32.669 --> 0:41:36.640 I know it's just, it's unbelievable and incomprehendible what Jesus 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:40.229 did to us, but there's so much proof that's outside 0:41:40.229 --> 0:41:44.129 of the Bible that he is who he says he is, so. 0:41:44.610 --> 0:41:46.689 It's kind of a two-part question. 0:41:47.870 --> 0:41:48.350 Yeah. 0:41:49.149 --> 0:41:52.560 Yeah, well, you know, I, I wrote a 0:41:53.290 --> 0:41:57.859 A book on the subject of spiritual warfare, and it's 0:41:57.860 --> 0:41:59.859 called The Powers of Darkness and the People of God. 0:42:00.729 --> 0:42:05.860 And I talked about the temptation to doubt in there. 0:42:06.060 --> 0:42:08.939 Now Satan is the tempter. That's one of his titles. 0:42:09.020 --> 0:42:13.320 He's a tempter. So, um, but of course he plays 0:42:13.530 --> 0:42:17.689 on our weaknesses and he plays on our sinful nature 0:42:17.689 --> 0:42:20.100 at times. So everyone is tempted, like you just read 0:42:20.100 --> 0:42:22.089 in James, everyone is tempted when they are led away 0:42:22.090 --> 0:42:23.459 by their own desire. 0:42:24.340 --> 0:42:27.380 And so there is that combination, but 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:29.909 When it comes to something like doubt. 0:42:30.899 --> 0:42:33.299 There's, we have to make sure we understand that there's 0:42:33.300 --> 0:42:36.569 a difference between being tempted to doubt and actually doubting. 0:42:37.219 --> 0:42:41.080 So just because you're tempted to doubt doesn't mean you're doubting. 0:42:41.419 --> 0:42:45.859 It just means you're being tempted. You're being, you know, assailed, 0:42:45.939 --> 0:42:50.689 and many Christians have experienced this where I've had that 0:42:51.100 --> 0:42:54.498 same experience that you're talking about where, you know, reading through. 0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.040 Parts of the Bible, but you know, the Gospels, where 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.399 you read something and suddenly there's a thing in your 0:43:00.399 --> 0:43:02.669 mind like, how could that have really happened? Come on, 0:43:02.759 --> 0:43:05.499 do you really believe that? You know, these subtle little 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:10.509 suggestions just start coming into your mind and you're like, oh, 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:12.840 I hate that. I, no, I don't think that, I 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:16.439 don't believe that. I don't feel that way, and that's 0:43:16.439 --> 0:43:19.279 where I think we need to discern that this is, 0:43:19.439 --> 0:43:21.640 this is the devil, he's tempting us to doubt. 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:24.850 And so we resist the temptation, we just say, you 0:43:24.850 --> 0:43:27.249 know what, I'm gonna press in and I'm gonna trust 0:43:27.248 --> 0:43:29.850 the Lord and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna give 0:43:29.850 --> 0:43:32.469 into this and um. 0:43:33.370 --> 0:43:35.820 But it is not uncommon. 0:43:36.759 --> 0:43:38.439 The experience that you just described. 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:41.239 Right. 0:43:42.459 --> 0:43:46.799 Does that help? Uh, he's, the devil is not omnipresent. 0:43:48.399 --> 0:43:52.919 No, but he has, he has a multitude of, you know, forces, 0:43:52.959 --> 0:43:56.199 and they all basically do the same thing, so it 0:43:56.199 --> 0:43:59.919 doesn't have to be the devil himself, ah, and it's 0:43:59.919 --> 0:44:04.199 probably not the devil himself, but his, his, um, 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:07.219 His, um, 0:44:08.498 --> 0:44:12.580 You know, proteges, they're very capable. I mean, you think 0:44:12.580 --> 0:44:15.780 of the, the demon possessed people in the New Testament 0:44:15.780 --> 0:44:18.800 that you read about, um, and then we read about 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.199 Satan coming to Jesus and we read about him tempting Jesus. 0:44:22.699 --> 0:44:25.050 So when we read about the people in the, in 0:44:25.050 --> 0:44:28.439 the New Testament that were demonized, that's what it's called, ah, 0:44:28.580 --> 0:44:33.939 literally they were demonized, um, it doesn't necessarily speak of 0:44:33.939 --> 0:44:35.350 Satan himself. 0:44:35.759 --> 0:44:39.609 But it is the demonic hordes which are under his 0:44:40.149 --> 0:44:41.959 um direction. 0:44:43.390 --> 0:44:47.189 So I, I, I, I just, I, I can't comprehend 0:44:47.189 --> 0:44:50.050 what it, how do they know our thoughts. 0:44:51.550 --> 0:44:54.939 You know, if I'm not saying it out loud, how 0:44:56.649 --> 0:45:00.169 Well, the spiritual realm is, you know, we, there's a 0:45:00.169 --> 0:45:03.698 lot about it that we don't understand, but they, um, 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.090 you know, they do, they're able to influence even our 0:45:07.090 --> 0:45:13.408 thinking process we know because remember when Jesus, um, when 0:45:13.409 --> 0:45:18.449 he's talking about the fact that he is, um, you know, 0:45:18.570 --> 0:45:20.489 he is the Christ, he is the Son of the 0:45:20.489 --> 0:45:22.130 living God, just as Peter said. 0:45:22.709 --> 0:45:25.290 Ah, but then he goes on to talk about, um, 0:45:25.350 --> 0:45:29.948 the cross, and Peter jumps in and he says, Lord. 0:45:31.110 --> 0:45:35.429 Forbid that should ever happen. That will never happen to you. 0:45:36.189 --> 0:45:40.830 And Jesus says to Peter, get behind me, Satan. So 0:45:40.830 --> 0:45:44.909 Peter is influenced by Satan to say the things that 0:45:44.909 --> 0:45:48.729 he says. Now how that actually works out. 0:45:49.498 --> 0:45:53.379 We don't know because we don't have the, the understanding 0:45:53.380 --> 0:45:57.140 or the insight into the spiritual realm, but it is clear, 0:45:57.219 --> 0:46:00.860 there's many passages, it's clear where the devil influences our thinking. 0:46:01.140 --> 0:46:03.780 So if he can influence our thinking, I don't think 0:46:03.780 --> 0:46:07.009 it would be a problem for him to also know 0:46:07.009 --> 0:46:07.779 what we're thinking. 0:46:09.020 --> 0:46:11.640 I've always thought that maybe he can influence our thinking. 0:46:12.580 --> 0:46:15.739 We act out on that influence in one way or 0:46:15.739 --> 0:46:18.380 another by either telling a friend or saying something out 0:46:18.380 --> 0:46:22.698 loud and then that's what he hears or maybe not 0:46:22.699 --> 0:46:26.090 him himself like you said, but one of his minions 0:46:26.090 --> 0:46:29.560 or whatever and and that that's why we think. 0:46:30.540 --> 0:46:32.739 Yeah, I mean, for some reason it is a hang 0:46:32.739 --> 0:46:34.699 up for many people. I've talked to many people over 0:46:34.699 --> 0:46:36.899 the years that have, they're hung up on the idea 0:46:36.899 --> 0:46:39.100 that the devil could read our mind. I, I don't 0:46:39.100 --> 0:46:43.178 honestly don't understand why that bothers people so much. It's like, well, 0:46:43.550 --> 0:46:45.459 who cares if he could read our mind? It's just 0:46:45.459 --> 0:46:48.330 what he does, um, but 0:46:49.739 --> 0:46:55.219 We do again, we, we see, um, you know, places 0:46:55.219 --> 0:46:58.229 in scripture and from our own human experience. Let's just 0:46:58.229 --> 0:47:02.499 say the scenario you just gave, Brian. Let's just take 0:47:02.498 --> 0:47:05.080 that off the table and just say you don't say 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:09.729 anything to anybody. Think about it. Think about when you're praying. 0:47:09.969 --> 0:47:14.459 Think about sometimes when you're praying and nobody knows you're praying. 0:47:14.949 --> 0:47:18.199 You are praying silently. You're praying in your mind. You're 0:47:18.199 --> 0:47:20.149 not even in a posture, like you don't have your 0:47:20.149 --> 0:47:22.739 head bowed, you don't have, you're not on your knees, 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.320 but you know, there's something really on your heart and 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:29.340 you're praying, and then suddenly you get this crazy interference 0:47:29.340 --> 0:47:32.659 in your mind that's disrupting your prayer. 0:47:33.709 --> 0:47:35.939 How is that happening? Well, 0:47:36.909 --> 0:47:39.560 Good point. The devil obviously knows, the demons obviously know 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.640 your brain, and they don't like that, so they want 0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:43.239 to mess with it. 0:47:44.409 --> 0:47:47.270 Very interesting. Denise, thanks for calling in today to Pastor's 0:47:47.270 --> 0:47:54.060 perspective at 888-564-6173. Maybe, Denise, um, it might be helpful 0:47:54.060 --> 0:47:55.580 if you wanted to take a little bit of a 0:47:55.580 --> 0:47:58.699 deeper dive to, um, to pick up the book, Powers 0:47:58.699 --> 0:47:59.919 of Darkness, People of God. 0:48:00.860 --> 0:48:06.479 Um, and you can find that at echoes of Mercy.com 0:48:06.479 --> 0:48:09.600 and then go to Back to Basics Radio and um 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.219 you can, you can um get the book there. 0:48:13.100 --> 0:48:18.080 So from echoes of Mercy.com, click Back to Basics radio 0:48:18.820 --> 0:48:21.520 and then and then on Back to basics it says 0:48:21.649 --> 0:48:26.020 books and, you know, other materials from Pastor Brian. Uh-huh, 0:48:26.140 --> 0:48:28.780 very good. All right, Denise, thanks for calling in today 0:48:28.780 --> 0:48:32.419 to Pastor's perspective. Let's uh uh read at least one 0:48:32.419 --> 0:48:35.860 more question that was submitted online. This one is from John. 0:48:36.350 --> 0:48:39.709 And he asks, he watches us on YouTube, by the way, 0:48:39.830 --> 0:48:42.709 John asks, when or where in the Bible is the 0:48:42.709 --> 0:48:47.580 earliest statement of God's eternal salvation with Him in heaven? 0:48:47.870 --> 0:48:51.748 Is it Psalm 23? What do you say to John, Brian? 0:48:54.300 --> 0:48:54.899 Mm. 0:48:56.580 --> 0:48:57.060 With 0:48:57.830 --> 0:49:01.310 The earliest statement regarding eternal salvation. 0:49:03.130 --> 0:49:03.140 Mm. 0:49:08.209 --> 0:49:13.050 Um, I, I'm trying to think, you know, is it, I, 0:49:13.130 --> 0:49:15.790 I think honestly it would probably be. 0:49:16.570 --> 0:49:19.130 Uh, something in Job, um. 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.080 You know, Job 19, where Job says, I know that 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:24.340 my Redeemer lives. 0:49:25.060 --> 0:49:28.879 And um one day he will stand upon the earth 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.658 and although my flesh is destroyed, although my skin is 0:49:32.659 --> 0:49:34.739 dissolved or destroyed, I know that in my flesh I 0:49:34.739 --> 0:49:36.820 will see God, um. 0:49:37.989 --> 0:49:40.469 I mean, it doesn't say, it doesn't use the term 0:49:40.469 --> 0:49:44.189 eternal salvation, but it's talking about the future, it's talking 0:49:44.189 --> 0:49:48.549 about a resurrected body. It's talking about the redeemer living 0:49:48.550 --> 0:49:51.949 and standing on the earth in the last days. So I, 0:49:52.030 --> 0:49:55.248 I'm sure there's probably something else, but um. 0:49:55.979 --> 0:49:59.049 Ah, but Psalm 23, you know, of course if it's Job, 0:49:59.149 --> 0:50:04.189 then Job precedes, uh, David, David wrote Psalm 23. Ah, 0:50:04.429 --> 0:50:07.070 Job probably lived around the time of Abraham, which would 0:50:07.070 --> 0:50:12.109 maybe be 1800 to 2000 BC, and David lived 1000 BC. So, yeah. 0:50:12.929 --> 0:50:16.219 John, I hope that helps. Yeah, yeah, not sure. 0:50:17.199 --> 0:50:19.759 John, thanks for uh sending in your question through the 0:50:19.759 --> 0:50:23.759 pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com. I think Eric is calling 0:50:23.759 --> 0:50:25.840 in with uh somewhat of a follow-up question 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:26.080 to what 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:26.239 we 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:26.560 were 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:26.919 discussing 0:50:26.919 --> 0:50:27.419 earlier. 0:50:27.679 --> 0:50:30.120 He's in San Bernardino. What did you want to know, Eric? 0:50:31.229 --> 0:50:33.509 Hey, yeah, I got a comment and a question. I'm 0:50:33.509 --> 0:50:36.189 gonna make it quick. Um, a lot of times when 0:50:36.189 --> 0:50:38.810 we have doubts, I mean, because we're reading some amazing 0:50:38.810 --> 0:50:41.310 things in scripture, and a lot of times when we 0:50:41.310 --> 0:50:44.110 have doubts, it doesn't even have to be Satan, even 0:50:44.110 --> 0:50:46.350 though Satan's the first one who said, did God really 0:50:46.350 --> 0:50:49.748 say that. But secondly, though, um, a lot of times 0:50:49.748 --> 0:50:52.830 just our own human, because we're still falling, we're still 0:50:52.830 --> 0:50:54.219 susceptible to sin. 0:50:54.550 --> 0:50:57.600 And we doubt. Sometimes we just doubt. Satan doesn't have 0:50:57.600 --> 0:50:59.520 anything to do with it. We do a good enough 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:04.719 job on our own sometimes. But my question though, is, 00, 0:51:04.759 --> 0:51:06.759 and then I was gonna say that, um, a lot 0:51:06.759 --> 0:51:09.560 of times what has helped me is when I said, OK, 0:51:09.679 --> 0:51:13.299 so let's, let's say, so can I honestly say now, 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.070 this scripture is not real. And I've actually tried to 0:51:16.070 --> 0:51:18.459 do that. I said, no way did Jesus do that miracle. 0:51:18.679 --> 0:51:21.560 And instantly, it's like the spirit said, why not? Why 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:23.939 would it not be possible for Jesus to do that? 0:51:25.100 --> 0:51:29.070 I found myself in a real quarry and I realized, OK, it, it, 0:51:29.189 --> 0:51:33.499 if it's possible, then it's real. And my question though, was, 0:51:33.509 --> 0:51:37.830 what scripture, and just as we're talking, um, I actually 0:51:37.830 --> 0:51:39.140 got the answer, but I want to see if there's 0:51:39.140 --> 0:51:43.009 something else. My question is, what scripture could we use 0:51:43.350 --> 0:51:45.830 when we have these doubts? And I instantly went to 0:51:45.830 --> 0:51:48.949 all scripture is inspired with by God. 0:51:49.330 --> 0:51:52.020 Uh, by the Holy Spirit, and, uh, so I just 0:51:52.020 --> 0:51:54.419 wanna know if you guys know of any other scripture. 0:51:54.498 --> 0:51:56.979 I just thought of that one when I asked the 0:51:56.979 --> 0:51:59.020 question right now. So I just wanna know if you 0:51:59.020 --> 0:52:01.899 guys have any thoughts or any other scripture that we 0:52:01.899 --> 0:52:02.919 can rely on. 0:52:03.459 --> 0:52:04.339 All right, Brian. 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:07.919 Yeah, um, 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:12.199 Yeah, and I just to say, I agree, I think with, 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:15.239 with your first statement that, um, you know, sometimes the 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:19.179 doubt is, it is just us, it is us doubting 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:20.629 and um. 0:52:21.790 --> 0:52:24.890 Regarding that, I mean, you know, Paul in writing to 0:52:24.939 --> 0:52:29.020 the church in Ephesus, he talks about the armor of God, um, 0:52:29.229 --> 0:52:31.270 putting on the whole armor of God, put on the 0:52:31.270 --> 0:52:35.860 belt of truth, the breastplate of righteousness, the helmet of salvation, 0:52:35.989 --> 0:52:37.870 taking out the sword of the Spirit, which is the 0:52:37.870 --> 0:52:41.560 word of God. Um, so I think, you know, those are, 0:52:42.590 --> 0:52:45.479 you know, Paul's giving us their, uh, I think a 0:52:45.479 --> 0:52:48.149 description of how we are to. 0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:54.739 Apply God's word to the various struggles and temptations and, 0:52:54.759 --> 0:52:57.640 you know, the battle that we have with the forces 0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:01.279 of darkness that he mentions there, so, but the passage 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:04.679 from um 2 Timothy 3, you know, all scripture is 0:53:04.679 --> 0:53:08.279 given by inspiration of God, is, it's a great text, 0:53:08.340 --> 0:53:12.999 it's a vitally important text because it reminds us that, um, 0:53:13.350 --> 0:53:16.870 You know, God's word is God's word, and it is 0:53:16.870 --> 0:53:20.509 profitable for everything we need as God's people. But then 0:53:20.509 --> 0:53:24.390 I think too, Jesus is another great example. Matthew chapter 4, 0:53:24.449 --> 0:53:27.370 when you read through the temptation, Satan comes to Jesus, 0:53:27.469 --> 0:53:28.939 he says, if you're the Son of God, turn these 0:53:28.939 --> 0:53:32.988 stones into bread. Jesus says, it is written, man shall 0:53:32.989 --> 0:53:35.370 not live by bread alone. If you're the Son of God, 0:53:35.429 --> 0:53:37.949 cast yourself down from this, for it is written. It 0:53:37.949 --> 0:53:40.949 is also written, Jesus said, you shall not tempt the 0:53:40.949 --> 0:53:41.590 Lord your God. 0:53:41.989 --> 0:53:45.679 And then, you know, the devil took him to a 0:53:45.679 --> 0:53:47.198 high place, showed him all the kingdoms of the world 0:53:47.199 --> 0:53:49.560 in their glory, and said, If you bow down and 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:52.520 worship me, all these things will be yours. Jesus said, 0:53:52.590 --> 0:53:57.040 Get behind me, Satan. It is written, You shall worship 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.919 the Lord, your God and serve Him only. So the 0:54:00.919 --> 0:54:04.719 point is, Jesus said every time it is written, so 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:09.159 he drew on scripture to defeat the efforts of the 0:54:09.159 --> 0:54:10.239 enemy to trip him up. 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:13.840 That's like a master class in people who take scripture 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:14.840 out of context. 0:54:15.780 --> 0:54:20.319 Because it's like, you know, Satan himself comes up with 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:24.489 a verse and Jesus says, yeah, but this. So yeah, 0:54:25.419 --> 0:54:29.140 that's why the more we know our Bible, the better, 0:54:29.580 --> 0:54:33.239 the better off we're gonna be, you know. This is true. Eric, 0:54:33.340 --> 0:54:35.819 thanks for your phone call, man. We are out of 0:54:35.820 --> 0:54:38.850 time on today's episode of Pastor's Perspective. Well, we do 0:54:38.850 --> 0:54:40.179 have a few seconds left, but 0:54:40.850 --> 0:54:43.080 Yeah, by the time we introduced the caller and they 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:46.399 ask their question, there'd probably be like 5 seconds for 0:54:46.399 --> 0:54:48.319 Pastor Brian to give an answer. So, um, 0:54:48.909 --> 0:54:51.509 I will give you instead a fast pass. If you're 0:54:51.509 --> 0:54:53.580 on hold right now, here's your fast pass, you can 0:54:53.580 --> 0:54:55.589 and if you're on hold and you weren't already on 0:54:55.590 --> 0:54:57.948 today's show, here's a fast pass for you. You can 0:54:57.949 --> 0:55:01.189 call us on Monday and ask your question, but uh 0:55:01.189 --> 0:55:03.070 thanks so much for watching, thanks so much for listening. 0:55:03.140 --> 0:55:05.199 We'll see you at church on Sunday and then we'll 0:55:05.199 --> 0:55:09.870 be back here on Pastor's perspective on Monday. Pastor Brian 0:55:09.870 --> 0:55:12.830 will be back on the show on Tuesday, and Ed 0:55:12.830 --> 0:55:14.590 Stetzer has confirmed via text. 0:55:14.998 --> 0:55:19.120 He will be here on Wednesday. My biggest question for 0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:22.040 Ed is, does he still remember the phone number, because 0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.719 it's been, I don't know, 4 or 5 months. It's 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:27.280 been a long time. I wonder if he still says 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:29.919 it in his sleep or something. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:32.149 take it down off the wall and make him, you know, 0:55:32.229 --> 0:55:33.800 he's got to do it by memory. None of this, 0:55:33.959 --> 0:55:36.739 none of this looking at it. That's right. That's right. 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:38.560 All right, God bless you guys. Talk to you next 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:40.479 time here on Pastor's perspective.