WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-09/29/26

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to the Pastor's Perspective Program. 888-564-6173 is

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<v Speaker 1>the number to call. Again, 888-564-6173 is the number to

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<v Speaker 1>call if you'd like to talk to Brian Broderson. He

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<v Speaker 1>is pastor emeritus at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa in Southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>California. You can get more information about his ministry at echoesofmercy.com.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have Pastor Phil Metzger of Calvary Chapel San Diego.

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<v Speaker 1>The church website there is uh CalvarySD.com. And I see

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<v Speaker 1>Phil has his San Diego Padres cap on to represent

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego today.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta do it, man. Gotta do it. Gotta give them

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<v Speaker 2>a shot. Hopefully we, uh, pull off this wild card

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<v Speaker 2>we lost to them last year. This is our, this

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<v Speaker 2>is our year to then, yeah. Oh wow. So it's like, um,

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<v Speaker 2>baseball playoff and World Series time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the wild card like week, and then, uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it's, yeah, so Padres made an incredible second half

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<v Speaker 2>of the year comeback to put themselves here and

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<v Speaker 2>And um they still got to get through arguably, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Brewers and then the Dodgers so that's really exciting always, always,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I'm in, I know you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>in Dodger land, so there's no love for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>get it, but I don't care. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was raised an Angel fan and we did horrible

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<v Speaker 1>this year, so I can't defend anybody, even though there's

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<v Speaker 1>people asking me to defend the Dodgers. I can't quite

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<v Speaker 1>do it because, uh, my team is long gone. So, uh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope, I hope whoever team you root for root for,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you are, I hope your team wins. That's, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm at, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've

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<v Speaker 1>never, I don't have a dog in the

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<v Speaker 2>fight. I've never had, uh, a baseball team that I've,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, grew up in LA when I was young, so

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<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers were the Dodgers, and, but, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>never really gave much thought to that. I never, I

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<v Speaker 2>never was much of a baseball guy. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>last time I was interested in

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, baseball was when the Padres.

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<v Speaker 2>With Steve Garvey.

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<v Speaker 2>Went to the World Series and did they win it?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I don't remember. Padres have never won the

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<v Speaker 2>World Series. OK, but they did go, uh, and they

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<v Speaker 2>went with Garvey and I remember watching that, that World Series. So, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, 1984,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Johnny Gordon says.

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny, 1984, that's the year they went. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Johnny says. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>really,

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<v Speaker 1>1984,

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<v Speaker 2>was it? Yeah, I mean, they're, they're the, they're the

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<v Speaker 1>Clippers. Deloitte say that. I stand corrected.

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<v Speaker 2>We're the, we're the Los Angeles Clippers of like the, um,

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<v Speaker 2>MLB where, you know, you go, wow, this is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a great year, and then it, it just falls apart. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>falls apart, yeah, you know, I got it with football.

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<v Speaker 2>I got stuck with just being a Rams fan, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>There and then my, my stepdad, his uncle.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, was a guy named Crazy Legs Hirsch who

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<v Speaker 1>played

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<v Speaker 2>for the Rams back in the, yeah, like the 40s,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so it was a Rams, um, definitely a

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<v Speaker 2>Rams vibe around the house and, and, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of sticks with you and then you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even wanna be a Rams fan and, and then you're like, why,

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<v Speaker 2>why do I even care.

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<v Speaker 2>And I saw they lost to who did they lose to?

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<v Speaker 2>They lost to somebody yesterday to the 49ers week one, babe. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>week 1 49er victory, 3 and 0, but they, but

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<v Speaker 2>they lost, uh, but the Rams lost to somebody else yesterday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they lost to, um, they lost to Denver. Denver, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, it was to Denver, yeah, yeah, so you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What a, what a lame, what a lame start.

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<v Speaker 1>So were you ever a fan of any team growing up?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, baseball, football, hockey, basketball, anything? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah, yeah. I mean, I was a, I was a

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<v Speaker 2>Rams fan. I hate to admit it, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>I was. But then, you know, they moved to Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Louis and it was like, OK, I'm, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>follow them to Saint Louis. You know, I was a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a Charger fan for a while, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in San Diego County for 13 years, so,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, had to, had to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Swing a little bit toward the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, like I said, they're the Clippers of the NFL. They're,

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<v Speaker 2>they're the NFL Clippers. That's the way it goes. That's

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<v Speaker 2>so true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so true, and uh, so, um.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I, the last few years I've, I've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of liked the Forty-Niners, but man, they just got

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<v Speaker 2>slacked last year. It's like what happened because they looked

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<v Speaker 2>like they had such a strong thing going and then

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<v Speaker 2>it all just unraveled, I think, in the, we get

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<v Speaker 2>injured so much, man, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>We already have 9 starters injured after 3 games if

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<v Speaker 2>you could believe it. So, but, but we're, um, we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting most of them back and, um, yeah, I think overall,

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<v Speaker 2>so is, is Purdy still the quarterback? Oh, and he's,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the, he's got the most, um, thrown.

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<v Speaker 2>Touchdowns of anybody in the league so far. He's having

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<v Speaker 2>a phenomenal. So, hey, so far, knock on wood, Niners

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<v Speaker 2>look pretty good and we're having fun. One last sports thing,

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<v Speaker 2>even I know people tuned in today to just get

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<v Speaker 2>the sports report from people who have no idea what

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<v Speaker 2>they're talking about. Obviously faster in sports.

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<v Speaker 2>But what, what about, what about the Chiefs? Are they,

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<v Speaker 2>are they making it some kind of a comeback, or

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<v Speaker 2>are they still, they're, they're, they're, I think they're 3

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<v Speaker 2>and 0 as well, and, um, the Taylor Swift effect

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<v Speaker 2>is in full, is in full effect. And no, it's awesome. They're,

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<v Speaker 2>they're great. It's a great team. They always find a

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<v Speaker 2>way to win, you know. That's the, so is Kelsey

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<v Speaker 2>still playing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's still, he, he's not just playing, he's still

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<v Speaker 2>stinking great. It's like I thought he was retiring with

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<v Speaker 2>his Taylor Swift now why they're gonna pay him 30

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<v Speaker 2>million to play off.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's so Taylor shows up at the games, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and sits in the booth. Honestly, honestly, they're paying to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that the stadium is filled with Swifties. I

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<v Speaker 2>love it. I think it's great for football. I love sports, man.

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<v Speaker 2>It brings people together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I, one last thing, Michael, I was a big, um,

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<v Speaker 2>Bruins fan back in the, back in the early days

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<v Speaker 2>when they had all of the guys, yeah, back in

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<v Speaker 2>Wooden's time, when

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<v Speaker 1>Kareem, well, Lou Elcinder was there,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah, uh, Sidney Wicks, uh, gosh, who, who else, so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they, they had guys that went into the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA and you know, nobody even remembers him anymore. Henry Bippy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was like 5'3.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the good days, the glory days of UCLA.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no question about that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>those were

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<v Speaker 1>good.

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<v Speaker 2>Those were good days.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess the Padres play against the Chicago Cubs

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<v Speaker 1>tonight at 7 p.m. Is that right, Mr. Phil? I

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<v Speaker 1>think

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<v Speaker 1>that's when,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah, they, they play tonight, and I get to go

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night. I'm excited. It's a 23 game.

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<v Speaker 2>Series. So I'm gonna go tomorrow night. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so fun. You get to go hang out with people,

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<v Speaker 2>with friends, and just have a big old party and

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully your team wins. And if they lose, you still

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<v Speaker 2>had a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Good memory. You put good memories together there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope everybody enjoys watching all the sports going

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<v Speaker 1>on during this sports season we're in with, uh, baseball and, uh, football.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, and enjoy. And call 888-564-6173. This is the pastor's

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<v Speaker 1>perspective program. So if you have questions on the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>the Christian faith, or how to live the Christian life,

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<v Speaker 1>now is your chance to get your answer. Or sports,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to ask about the Padres or the

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<v Speaker 1>Chiefs or, or Taylor Swift, you can call in at

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<v Speaker 1>888-564-6173 and you can get the answers to your questions right.

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<v Speaker 1>Here on the air from Pastor Brian and Pastor Phil. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we are gonna start off with some of the Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>questions that you can send to us at facebook.com/pastor's perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do prefer to hear the sound of your voice. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you can call 888-564-6173. Again, 888-564-6173. This first

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<v Speaker 1>one comes from Kevin.

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<v Speaker 1>From Riverside County, and he writes, I'll try to be brief, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and you may have already discussed this, but on the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of no more tears in heaven, is that before

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<v Speaker 1>the millennial rain or after? I ask because we have

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<v Speaker 1>been discussing this lately since some recent messages I, uh, heard, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>say that there are no more tears in heaven. You

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<v Speaker 1>won't be crying over loved ones that didn't receive the

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<v Speaker 1>new life in Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, all pastors have agreed that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get dumber in heaven, but simply no more, so

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<v Speaker 1>you surely aren't going to forget your loved ones, even

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<v Speaker 1>those who didn't make it to heaven, right? I know

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<v Speaker 1>we are to do our best to bring everyone we

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<v Speaker 1>know along with us to heaven, but I have some

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<v Speaker 1>family members that are hard against the truth of Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we all have until our last breath, and

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<v Speaker 1>God wants all to come to repentance.

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<v Speaker 1>But we know many won't. So, do you have an

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<v Speaker 1>opinion as to when we stop crying for our loved

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<v Speaker 1>ones who are lost?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, we'll start with Phil on that one. What would

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<v Speaker 1>you say?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would, I would start by saying that when

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible says no more tears, it doesn't say no

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<v Speaker 2>more tears because you're sad about your lost loved ones.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would be a.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what the tears, that's not what that's a

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<v Speaker 2>reference to. Um, when we talk about like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in heaven, like, yeah, we're gonna all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>not know what we didn't know, and there's some people who,

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<v Speaker 2>I think even Bobby, Brian, didn't Brian, Bobby used to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that, like the belief that like we just

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<v Speaker 2>don't have knowledge of certain people anymore or you don't remember, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I don't remember that, um, but it could

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<v Speaker 2>be because Bobby had a lot of weird ideas about

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he's listening. I wish he was just for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell him next time I talk to him that

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<v Speaker 2>we were bragging about his weird idea. Yeah, we're picking

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<v Speaker 2>on him. But I mean, and I've heard, I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>others talk about the idea like, you know, in heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what you know, and you don't know, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember what you didn't, what's not there. And I,

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to think, I don't, I don't hold that

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<v Speaker 2>particular view. I tend to believe that in heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>We have, we're now we're made new, we're, we're, we're

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<v Speaker 2>made the way that we were made to be originally,

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<v Speaker 2>and so now our knowledge is no longer filtered by our,

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<v Speaker 2>like our temporary emotional mindset. So when we, when we

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<v Speaker 2>consider like God's righteousness, and those that are there and

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<v Speaker 2>those that are not there, we, we're able to process

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<v Speaker 2>that with like a holiness that we just don't have

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we're, we're gonna see, uh, in ways we

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<v Speaker 2>don't see today, and I don't just mean like colors,

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<v Speaker 2>but just, we're gonna understand reality and truth and, and

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<v Speaker 2>what is right, um, not through our own lens, right? Even,

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<v Speaker 2>even now as a believer, I see right through what

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<v Speaker 2>benefits me, even if I don't want to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But in heaven I'm gonna see and know and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna understand rightness, righteousness in ways that I don't today. So,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of tears, um, is not about me not

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<v Speaker 2>seeing people that I wish were there, um, I would,

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<v Speaker 2>I would, and, and by the way, the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>no more tears is after everything, it's kind of at

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<v Speaker 2>the very end of all things. And so I would

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<v Speaker 2>suggest that the idea of no more tears isn't even

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<v Speaker 2>like a, it's not even a physical thing, like I

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<v Speaker 2>know some people love to cry, like and like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get to heaven and not be allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>cry anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the concept there is, it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more metaphorical to like, there's, there's the disappointments are gone,

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<v Speaker 2>like all of life's sorrow and pain and disappointment, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just eradicated. We're now with the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>And those things are no more. Yeah, and that's what,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really what the passage says, you know, God will

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<v Speaker 2>wipe away every tear from their eyes. There shall be

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<v Speaker 2>no more sorrow, crying, pain, or death for the former

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<v Speaker 2>things have passed away. But Phil, I think you're absolutely right,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've, I've thought that for a long time, and I,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, Job, um.

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<v Speaker 2>God revealing Himself to Job and Job's response is to

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<v Speaker 2>me kind of a picture of where we will all

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<v Speaker 2>be in the future, you know, because everybody at times

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<v Speaker 2>these days will say, man, you know, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>people will say God's got a lot of explaining to do,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give him a piece of my mind or,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some, some people go that far. Other people

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<v Speaker 2>are just saying, you know, I, I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>ask God why this, that or the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the reality is when we see the Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what you see with Job, when Job

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<v Speaker 2>sees the Lord, because Job has all kinds of legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>questions because his whole life has just been completely wrecked,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from his, the death of his children, the

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<v Speaker 2>loss of his possessions to the loss of his health

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<v Speaker 2>and the tremendous suffering that he goes through. And so

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a bunch of legitimate questions.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet when the Lord finally, you know, reveals Himself

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<v Speaker 2>to Job and says basically, OK, Job, here's your chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask me your questions, Job says, I have no questions. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I repent and dust and ashes, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>because of that when we see God for who He

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<v Speaker 2>actually is, that just clears up everything. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we're going to.

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<v Speaker 2>have those kinds of concerns. When we see the Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>we will know that God is right, and that's all

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<v Speaker 2>that matters in the end. So, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you were saying, right? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't imagine a scenario where we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Something like where we just don't know, like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about your cousin? Oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember a cousin. I, I just, it just doesn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 2>but what does make sense is me being able to

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<v Speaker 2>say through a holy perspective that is like given by

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<v Speaker 2>God now, I'm able to understand his ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And, and, and, and we will forever say you are right, God,

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<v Speaker 2>you are totally right. You are, you're perfect in all

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<v Speaker 2>your ways, yeah, holy and true, just and righteous, yeah, that,

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<v Speaker 2>that will be the

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<v Speaker 1>word.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, great answers from Pastor Brian and Pastor Phil.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Kevin, for contacting us on Facebook, on Facebook.com/pastor's perspective. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>888-564-6173 is the number to call and we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>to Julie in San Marino who called 888-564-6173. Julie, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Good, good afternoon. Good afternoon. Thank you for calling.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, my question is about tithing. Um, I tithe to

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<v Speaker 1>my church.

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<v Speaker 1>And there, I know in the scriptures, it says to, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>regard with respect those who bring you godly wisdom. And

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<v Speaker 1>I stumbled across Kwave, oh, maybe a year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half ago, I don't know. And every time I walk

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<v Speaker 1>into the back bedroom, almost every time I turn it on.

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<v Speaker 1>It keeps me from turning on the radio and listening

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<v Speaker 1>to things that are not edifying. And I get the

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<v Speaker 1>most amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wisdom and help. And my question is, if we are

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to regard those who bring us godly wisdom, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I'm supposed to do financially. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a particular, uh, pastor that I now have

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<v Speaker 1>been giving something to, not on K wave, but monthly,

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<v Speaker 1>along with a Christian station because the station brings me

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<v Speaker 1>many people and I've been doing that for years. But

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<v Speaker 1>now I've got this addition.

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<v Speaker 1>Of wonderful people on K wave and I thought, am

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<v Speaker 1>I supposed to give something to every pastor, or do

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<v Speaker 1>I give something to K wave?

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<v Speaker 1>Or what do I do?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question. What would you say, Pastor Brian?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Julie, I think, I think your first commitment.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe it is, um, should be to your local

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<v Speaker 2>church where you go, where you are, uh, part of

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<v Speaker 2>that community, where you're, you know, you're getting fed by

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<v Speaker 2>those who are ministering God's word to you and you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're contributing to the to the work there. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the first, um, place. And then I think with

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<v Speaker 2>these other areas, I think that with these, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not like an obligation, so I think you can

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<v Speaker 2>be selective.

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<v Speaker 2>And just.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, open to the spirit leading, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord would just put on your heart at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're listening to the station and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>a teaching and something really, really speaks to you and

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<v Speaker 2>you say, you know what, I, I wanna contribute to

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<v Speaker 2>that ministry. So you just make that decision that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this month or whatever it is, I'm gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna send my check to this ministry here.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I, I think, again, as long as you

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<v Speaker 2>have as your, um, I I think your base idea

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<v Speaker 2>for giving being the place where you are primarily ministered to,

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<v Speaker 2>I think everything else is just it it is really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of selective and you, you make the choices based

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<v Speaker 2>upon what

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<v Speaker 2>You sense at the moment and how God's working in

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<v Speaker 2>your life through that speaker or maybe that station or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the case. Phil, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I totally agree. I think you just have to, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's important to stay, stay connected to your local

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<v Speaker 2>church in that sense, but then after that, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>we have so much freedom in the Lord, right, to

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of go, you know, I, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>always feel like if somebody has it.

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<v Speaker 2>In their heart to do something, you have to stop

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<v Speaker 2>and ask yourself like, am I, do I consider myself

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<v Speaker 2>just a generally generous human being, or is it possible

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<v Speaker 2>that the Holy Spirit is leading me to do something?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think most of us are not generally generous people,

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<v Speaker 2>and so then you say, well, gosh, if I sense that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's probably from the Lord, then I should do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but to not feel any like obligation outside of, you know, what,

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<v Speaker 2>how the Lord's already leading you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, very good. Uh, Julie, did that help? Um, yes, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the issue is sort of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Kwave is so good. I get, I mean, some days

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<v Speaker 1>I go, oh, I want that CD. I, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get these things. I did call once, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know whether to give a little to Kwave because they

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<v Speaker 1>support these fantastic pastors. And, um, I think I'm asking

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<v Speaker 1>partly because I,

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<v Speaker 1>If I had a bunch of money, it wouldn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>I would simply start giving, passing it out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I already give primarily, as you say, to my church, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I, I'm just really excited about the people that

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<v Speaker 1>changed my life, and I hear things that I've never heard.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear teaching I haven't heard, and I'm very grateful,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I will just try to do what

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<v Speaker 1>you said, do the best I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and

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<v Speaker 1>uh

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<v Speaker 1>Occasionally, um,

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<v Speaker 1>Give a donation because these pastors are asking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're asking

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<v Speaker 1>for donations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and, and of course, because, you know, it cost

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<v Speaker 2>money to, um, you know, produce a radio program and

0:20:03.410 --> 0:20:06.899
<v Speaker 2>it costs money to purchase airtime and so forth, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we do need um the support of others and

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<v Speaker 2>we're all very thankful when that happens. But, but the

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<v Speaker 2>station also um has its own needs, you know, the

0:20:17.979 --> 0:20:22.248
<v Speaker 2>station has a number of employees and all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>equipment and things like that. So, um, I think, again, I,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Lord will show you. I know once

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<v Speaker 2>in a while for me, I will have that sense like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I, I wanna give to that. I need

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<v Speaker 2>to give to that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, and thankfully today you can do like GoFundMe

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, you know, sometimes for me it's

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<v Speaker 2>more a person in a crisis, you know, somebody recently

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<v Speaker 2>died and the family is

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<v Speaker 2>Left and you're, you know, somebody set up a GoFundMe

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, yeah, I want to help out with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 1>yes, and it's good to be generous, no question about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So Julie, thank you for your generous heart and if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody does want to donate to KWave, you can just

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<v Speaker 1>go to Kwave.com and click on the donate button if

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to do that. So thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>calling Julie from, uh, San Marino. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>from San Marino to Riverside and talk to Genevieve. Genevieve,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, thank you. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. So my question was,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just wondering, like, does it automatically mean you

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<v Speaker 1>go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus, like,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you weren't, like, even if you grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in a place where let's say like Christianity is completely

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<v Speaker 1>banned and you don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything about Jesus. I was just wondering. So in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying if uh people have never heard the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Jesus, is that what you're saying? Or would they

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<v Speaker 1>go to hell too? Is that what you're saying, Genevieve?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. OK, that's a great question. OK, um, uh, Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you say to Genevieve?

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<v Speaker 2>Um, well, I, I would say it's a great question

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<v Speaker 2>and um it's a great like, we, we call that

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<v Speaker 2>a great like apologetics question. What about those people that

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<v Speaker 2>have never heard the gospel, and the Bible does speak

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<v Speaker 2>to that though, maybe not in the way that we

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<v Speaker 2>would like, maybe it's not as clear as we would

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<v Speaker 2>actually like it to be, but we, we, we put

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<v Speaker 2>a few things together when we talk about like how

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<v Speaker 2>does God deal with people that have never heard the gospel,

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, what happens to those people? And so what we

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<v Speaker 2>do is we're putting a few things, there's no one

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<v Speaker 2>Bible verse that says, this is what happens, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are several different, um, angles that we come at from

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<v Speaker 2>this to help us. The first one is the most important,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, and that is this, we take into account

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<v Speaker 2>the character of God. Who is God?

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<v Speaker 2>What does the Bible tell us about God, right? Um,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible certainly makes very clear that like for those

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<v Speaker 2>of us, like, there is, there is incredible accountability with

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<v Speaker 2>what we do know, right? So like, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus is the way, the truth, the life, and if

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<v Speaker 2>I were to reject that, I, I'm accountable to a

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<v Speaker 2>level of knowledge that, that I've been given. But what

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<v Speaker 2>about those people that have none of that? And so

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<v Speaker 2>we start with the character of God. God is so loving,

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<v Speaker 2>God is so gracious.

0:23:14.959 --> 0:23:18.109
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't wish that anyone would perish, the Bible says.

0:23:18.599 --> 0:23:21.869
<v Speaker 2>Here's another angle, the Bible tells us that he will,

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.599
<v Speaker 2>he will make himself known for all of us. Like

0:23:25.599 --> 0:23:28.119
<v Speaker 2>God is more interested in making himself known to people

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.999
<v Speaker 2>than I am in people knowing Jesus. Like I, I'm

0:23:30.999 --> 0:23:35.580
<v Speaker 2>pretty passionate about people knowing the gospel, God is more interested,

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>infinitely more interested, and so that means where he is

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:40.478
<v Speaker 2>not known, um, where

0:23:40.525 --> 0:23:44.364
<v Speaker 2>The gospel is not revealed. God is revealing Himself to people.

0:23:44.665 --> 0:23:48.574
<v Speaker 2>In fact, there's great books that cover that historically in, in, um,

0:23:48.925 --> 0:23:51.474
<v Speaker 2>there's a great book called Eternity in Their Hearts. For

0:23:51.474 --> 0:23:53.445
<v Speaker 2>those of you that are readers, it's just a great

0:23:53.445 --> 0:23:57.445
<v Speaker 2>book outlining that God has made Himself known in cultures

0:23:57.445 --> 0:23:59.994
<v Speaker 2>where he is not known. He still has a way

0:23:59.994 --> 0:24:02.524
<v Speaker 2>of making himself known and revealed, and so.

0:24:02.989 --> 0:24:05.270
<v Speaker 2>I'm a real big believer that God and, and the

0:24:05.270 --> 0:24:08.229
<v Speaker 2>scriptures would point to this, that God will reveal Himself

0:24:08.229 --> 0:24:11.670
<v Speaker 2>in ways to help people to know Him, even if

0:24:11.670 --> 0:24:13.310
<v Speaker 2>they don't hear the gospel the way you and I

0:24:13.310 --> 0:24:15.349
<v Speaker 2>are used to that, and you take into account the,

0:24:15.420 --> 0:24:18.869
<v Speaker 2>the nature of God's, you know, being love, he's going

0:24:18.869 --> 0:24:21.509
<v Speaker 2>to reveal Himself. He's going to judge the world that

0:24:21.509 --> 0:24:22.489
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know Him.

0:24:23.050 --> 0:24:26.369
<v Speaker 2>In a way that would make sense. Um, and so

0:24:26.369 --> 0:24:27.810
<v Speaker 2>I know that's not the, you know, we all want

0:24:27.810 --> 0:24:29.488
<v Speaker 2>an answer that says, here's the Bible verse that'll tell

0:24:29.489 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 2>you exactly what's gonna happen, but the truth of the

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:33.729
<v Speaker 2>matter is that we account for the character of God,

0:24:33.969 --> 0:24:37.080
<v Speaker 2>his love for the world that he created, and his, his,

0:24:37.170 --> 0:24:41.070
<v Speaker 2>his absolute passion for people to be born again.

0:24:41.580 --> 0:24:43.899
<v Speaker 2>And um you put that all together. God is making

0:24:43.900 --> 0:24:46.089
<v Speaker 2>Himself known. I love that book Eternity in The Hearts.

0:24:46.150 --> 0:24:48.989
<v Speaker 2>I think it's one of the greatest resources we have

0:24:48.989 --> 0:24:49.989
<v Speaker 2>looking at that topic.

0:24:50.930 --> 0:24:52.219
<v Speaker 1>You know that Don Richardson? Richardson,

0:24:52.869 --> 0:24:55.468
<v Speaker 2>Don Richardson, Eternity in The Hearts. And I'll just mention

0:24:55.469 --> 0:24:56.830
<v Speaker 2>one last thing and then I'll hand it over to

0:24:56.830 --> 0:24:59.070
<v Speaker 2>Brian on this, and that is, gosh, I, I've spent

0:24:59.070 --> 0:25:01.790
<v Speaker 2>enough time with, with pastors and, and, and just Christians

0:25:01.790 --> 0:25:04.509
<v Speaker 2>who were in the Muslim world who came to faith

0:25:04.509 --> 0:25:06.830
<v Speaker 2>because God gave them a dream.

0:25:07.629 --> 0:25:09.708
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not talking about books that I've read about that.

0:25:09.719 --> 0:25:12.670
<v Speaker 2>I've talked to these, these people who, who have told

0:25:12.670 --> 0:25:14.988
<v Speaker 2>me firsthand, looking, I mean, having breakfast with them and

0:25:14.989 --> 0:25:16.888
<v Speaker 2>having them look me in the eye and say, God

0:25:16.888 --> 0:25:19.550
<v Speaker 2>revealed Himself to me through a dream. That's how I

0:25:19.550 --> 0:25:22.099
<v Speaker 2>came to know Jesus. And there's plenty of books that

0:25:22.099 --> 0:25:24.388
<v Speaker 2>are on that topic as well. I just wanna give

0:25:24.388 --> 0:25:27.429
<v Speaker 2>you full assurance that the, the God that we love,

0:25:27.509 --> 0:25:31.030
<v Speaker 2>that we know through scripture is revealing Himself to people

0:25:31.030 --> 0:25:34.179
<v Speaker 2>all over the world in dreams, and visions. He's making

0:25:34.180 --> 0:25:35.349
<v Speaker 2>Himself known to people.

0:25:38.009 --> 0:25:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, there's not much more to say.

0:25:40.249 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>That was fantastic. Um, but I think if you, for

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:49.849
<v Speaker 2>a biblical text that I think just kind of confirms

0:25:49.849 --> 0:25:55.509
<v Speaker 2>everything Phil is saying, read Romans chapter one, verse 18 through,

0:25:55.888 --> 0:26:02.208
<v Speaker 2>let's say 2024 or so, and then look at Romans

0:26:02.209 --> 0:26:04.150
<v Speaker 2>chapter two. And I think, I think what we see

0:26:04.150 --> 0:26:04.950
<v Speaker 2>in Romans.

0:26:05.489 --> 0:26:11.349
<v Speaker 2>Uh, is that God judges people based on what they know,

0:26:11.709 --> 0:26:16.129
<v Speaker 2>not based on what they don't know. And so everybody

0:26:16.129 --> 0:26:16.719
<v Speaker 2>has had some

0:26:18.379 --> 0:26:21.300
<v Speaker 2>Sort of a revelation of God. That's what Paul is

0:26:21.300 --> 0:26:24.379
<v Speaker 2>saying there. Creation itself is is a revelation that there

0:26:24.379 --> 0:26:29.339
<v Speaker 2>is a God. And so people respond when you respond

0:26:29.339 --> 0:26:34.859
<v Speaker 2>to the revelation you have, then more revelation.

0:26:36.999 --> 0:26:39.020
<v Speaker 2>And and I think we, that's what I think the

0:26:39.020 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 2>scriptures are teaching overall and I think that's what experience

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:47.339
<v Speaker 2>is is showing us as well. So I was just

0:26:47.339 --> 0:26:51.159
<v Speaker 2>uh last night, Cheryl's reading this book and then she

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.939
<v Speaker 2>decided to put it on, you know, kind of the

0:26:53.940 --> 0:26:56.459
<v Speaker 2>audio part of it, and I just happened to be

0:26:56.459 --> 0:27:01.379
<v Speaker 2>listening and it was a story of this it's amazing

0:27:01.379 --> 0:27:04.718
<v Speaker 2>talking about Muslims in the context of Egypt.

0:27:05.330 --> 0:27:10.270
<v Speaker 2>And this guy who is an evangelist and he's a,

0:27:10.379 --> 0:27:14.968
<v Speaker 2>he's a believer, he's an Egyptian, but he's, um, you know,

0:27:15.099 --> 0:27:18.580
<v Speaker 2>very outspoken with his faith. And so one night he's

0:27:18.580 --> 0:27:20.219
<v Speaker 2>asleep and all of a sudden he's got a gun

0:27:20.219 --> 0:27:22.499
<v Speaker 2>at his head and he thinks, oh no, you know,

0:27:22.540 --> 0:27:24.339
<v Speaker 2>this is it. They they caught up with me and

0:27:24.339 --> 0:27:26.050
<v Speaker 2>somebody puts a bag over his head and then takes

0:27:26.050 --> 0:27:28.459
<v Speaker 2>him on a journey through the city and he thinks

0:27:28.459 --> 0:27:30.859
<v Speaker 2>he's being taken to be executed.

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:35.089
<v Speaker 2>And finally he ends up through all of these different

0:27:35.089 --> 0:27:39.129
<v Speaker 2>little alleyways and, you know, back entrances and stuff. He

0:27:39.129 --> 0:27:42.290
<v Speaker 2>ends up in a mosque and he's surrounded by a

0:27:42.290 --> 0:27:47.940
<v Speaker 2>group of imams and the imams are are Muslim, you know, leaders,

0:27:48.469 --> 0:27:51.170
<v Speaker 2>but like, you know, the equivalent of a pastor or

0:27:51.170 --> 0:27:54.530
<v Speaker 2>theologian or whatever. And he thinks, OK, this is it.

0:27:54.609 --> 0:27:57.550
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna, you know, pronounce a condemnation on me and

0:27:57.589 --> 0:27:58.849
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to be dead.

0:27:59.388 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 2>And instead, they one by one said we've had dreams

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:06.609
<v Speaker 2>and Jesus has appeared to us and we know that

0:28:06.609 --> 0:28:09.649
<v Speaker 2>he's the truth and we know that you know about Jesus,

0:28:09.729 --> 0:28:12.530
<v Speaker 2>so we want you to tell us everything you know

0:28:12.530 --> 0:28:17.129
<v Speaker 2>about Jesus. So, so, you know, I think it's like

0:28:17.129 --> 0:28:23.030
<v Speaker 2>10 imams basically are putting their faith in Jesus because

0:28:23.290 --> 0:28:25.929
<v Speaker 2>every one of them had a dream.

0:28:26.550 --> 0:28:29.430
<v Speaker 2>And it was different, but at the end it was

0:28:29.430 --> 0:28:32.709
<v Speaker 2>all Jesus revealing Himself. So, and I think I can

0:28:32.709 --> 0:28:35.468
<v Speaker 2>say this on air, um, we have a, we have

0:28:35.469 --> 0:28:38.150
<v Speaker 2>imam that came to faith in, um, in an African

0:28:38.150 --> 0:28:41.479
<v Speaker 2>country and was a part of one of our churches there.

0:28:41.749 --> 0:28:44.310
<v Speaker 2>And he actually the Lord really raised him up and

0:28:44.310 --> 0:28:46.389
<v Speaker 2>he actually went back to his home area and he

0:28:46.389 --> 0:28:49.570
<v Speaker 2>started a church that operates like a mosque.

0:28:50.810 --> 0:28:53.499
<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean the teaching, but the methodology of

0:28:53.499 --> 0:28:56.739
<v Speaker 2>like women on one side, the men, and because he's

0:28:56.739 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>like a respected leader, and now he's just telling people, Jesus.

0:29:01.259 --> 0:29:04.300
<v Speaker 2>It's like, it's wild, man. I love it.

0:29:04.459 --> 0:29:04.820
<v Speaker 1>That's so

0:29:04.820 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>great. Wow, that's amazing. Genevieve, did that help?

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that helped. All right, well, thank you so much.

0:29:12.359 --> 0:29:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for calling Genevieve from Riverside. We

0:29:14.719 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that great question. If you have a question to

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>ask Pastor Brian or Pastor Phil, call now 888-564-6173. We're

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>going to take a break and we'll be back and

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:28.119
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk to Robert and Pamela and you. So give

0:29:28.119 --> 0:29:32.339
<v Speaker 1>us a call 888-564-6173. We'll see you in a few minutes.

0:30:15.940 --> 0:30:18.759
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the second half of Pastor's Perspective. I'm

0:30:18.759 --> 0:30:21.930
<v Speaker 1>Michael David in for Brian Perez. On today's program, we

0:30:21.930 --> 0:30:26.609
<v Speaker 1>have Brian Bruderson and Phil Metzger, and, uh, Brian, you

0:30:26.609 --> 0:30:27.570
<v Speaker 1>wanted to say something.

0:30:27.770 --> 0:30:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I did want to say something, but Phil's gone missing. He's, um,

0:30:31.290 --> 0:30:35.129
<v Speaker 2>either the rapture happened and Phil was the only one

0:30:35.129 --> 0:30:39.550
<v Speaker 2>that went, because we're still here, or

0:30:40.009 --> 0:30:45.369
<v Speaker 2>Uh, feel, his calculation is off and he's, um, or

0:30:45.369 --> 0:30:48.129
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's lost in his church building somewhere. I don't know.

0:30:48.839 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>But sometimes if he's at his church building, somebody can

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.950
<v Speaker 1>snag you and have to tell you, tell pour their

0:30:53.950 --> 0:30:56.119
<v Speaker 1>life story to you and then you say, I've got

0:30:56.119 --> 0:30:57.359
<v Speaker 1>to get back over there.

0:30:57.719 --> 0:31:00.869
<v Speaker 2>That could, that could be happening. So yeah, so we'll

0:31:00.869 --> 0:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>wait till he comes back and um.

0:31:04.469 --> 0:31:07.389
<v Speaker 2>Oh, there he is. Look at him. He finally

0:31:07.389 --> 0:31:07.410
<v Speaker 1>made it.

0:31:08.670 --> 0:31:10.820
<v Speaker 2>All right, we were a little concerned that the rapture

0:31:10.820 --> 0:31:13.869
<v Speaker 2>had taken place and Michael and I missed it, but, um,

0:31:13.989 --> 0:31:19.209
<v Speaker 2>thankfully we didn't. And so, um, but I wanted to

0:31:19.629 --> 0:31:20.869
<v Speaker 2>mention Phil.

0:31:21.770 --> 0:31:26.570
<v Speaker 2>That you are a grandfather once again.

0:31:27.550 --> 0:31:31.550
<v Speaker 2>I am, yes, grandbaby number 6, if you can believe it.

0:31:31.790 --> 0:31:35.550
<v Speaker 2>That is great. Congratulations. Now is that Judith's baby? Yes,

0:31:35.629 --> 0:31:39.540
<v Speaker 2>it's his 2nd. So my 3, my 3 oldest are, um,

0:31:39.589 --> 0:31:42.790
<v Speaker 2>3 of my 4. My 3 oldest are married and

0:31:42.790 --> 0:31:44.849
<v Speaker 2>each have 2 kids now. So wow.

0:31:45.820 --> 0:31:48.589
<v Speaker 2>That is great. Yeah, man. I saw you. I saw

0:31:48.589 --> 0:31:51.190
<v Speaker 2>you holding the little, is it a boy? It's a

0:31:51.190 --> 0:31:55.589
<v Speaker 2>little girl. So, yeah, a little girl. Her name is Jayden, and, um,

0:31:55.989 --> 0:31:57.930
<v Speaker 2>she is, yeah, she's, um.

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Her, she's got an older sister that's a year and

0:32:00.479 --> 0:32:04.060
<v Speaker 2>a half years, so they're really close together, and, uh,

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.119
<v Speaker 2>that little sister's name is Alma and she's not happy.

0:32:07.489 --> 0:32:09.719
<v Speaker 2>She calls me Papa, and every time I hold the baby,

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:15.479
<v Speaker 2>she says, no, Papa, no. Isn't it amazing how young

0:32:15.479 --> 0:32:20.259
<v Speaker 2>they get so possessive? It's true. And like, and she's the,

0:32:20.359 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 2>she was the youngest until this one came, and so

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.739
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't realize she knocked a whole bunch of other

0:32:24.739 --> 0:32:25.849
<v Speaker 2>people out of that spot.

0:32:28.369 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we're, we're, we're really happy. Yeah, Judah leads

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>our kids' ministry here at the church, but he, yeah,

0:32:34.690 --> 0:32:36.849
<v Speaker 2>a dad of two little girls, he's a girl dad,

0:32:36.930 --> 0:32:38.629
<v Speaker 2>all girl dad. That's great.

0:32:39.410 --> 0:32:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Now, since you guys have both been fathers and grandfathers,

0:32:41.709 --> 0:32:45.489
<v Speaker 1>what is the tip on, uh, when a baby replaces

0:32:45.489 --> 0:32:47.170
<v Speaker 1>the older child and they don't want you to give

0:32:47.170 --> 0:32:49.009
<v Speaker 1>attention to the younger child? What, what advice

0:32:49.009 --> 0:32:50.209
<v Speaker 1>do you give the

0:32:50.209 --> 0:32:54.249
<v Speaker 2>grandfathers that I, that almost always happens. I mean, you know,

0:32:54.369 --> 0:32:55.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe there's a few.

0:32:56.509 --> 0:33:00.150
<v Speaker 2>Situations where it doesn't happen, but you know, because in,

0:33:00.270 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 2>in like, like as Phil is saying, you know that.

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.998
<v Speaker 2>That child has been sort of the focus of everybody's

0:33:06.999 --> 0:33:09.099
<v Speaker 2>attention and then all of a sudden, wait a second,

0:33:09.389 --> 0:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, so, um, yeah, we, our youngest is 16

0:33:15.839 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>months now and she's, and she has a 6 year

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:22.119
<v Speaker 2>old brother and he, he's pretty good, you know, he,

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 2>it's funny because he's never really been, maybe because he's

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.959
<v Speaker 2>a little bit older, so he's never been that.

0:33:28.450 --> 0:33:31.690
<v Speaker 2>Like, hey, wait, you know, give me attention because he's

0:33:31.690 --> 0:33:35.290
<v Speaker 2>kind of self-sufficient anyway, but um, yeah, but you know,

0:33:35.410 --> 0:33:39.550
<v Speaker 2>the grandpa thing is just amazing and Lila has become

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>just such a delight, you know, for, for me. So I,

0:33:44.489 --> 0:33:46.009
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was with her for the past few

0:33:46.009 --> 0:33:50.599
<v Speaker 2>months and then, um, getting home, I have to FaceTime

0:33:50.599 --> 0:33:55.239
<v Speaker 2>her because uh she, she wants to see Grandpa and

0:33:55.239 --> 0:33:57.969
<v Speaker 2>grandpa wants to see her. So yeah, it's very good.

0:33:59.180 --> 0:34:01.339
<v Speaker 2>So special. I can't believe she's 16 months old already.

0:34:01.849 --> 0:34:05.259
<v Speaker 2>Thank goodness, crazy, yeah, and she's a riot, and she

0:34:05.259 --> 0:34:07.499
<v Speaker 2>is absolutely hilarious.

0:34:08.629 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh, there's nothing. Grandparenting is the best parenting of all.

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:12.499
<v Speaker 2>It's

0:34:12.499 --> 0:34:12.709
<v Speaker 1>amazing, yeah.

0:34:15.700 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, 888-564-6173 is the number to call and

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.810
<v Speaker 1>as promised, we're going to go to Robert in Hemet. Robert,

0:34:23.919 --> 0:34:24.709
<v Speaker 1>welcome to the program.

0:34:26.498 --> 0:34:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Hey, glad to be here. Uh, I have called before, but, uh,

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:36.330
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Pastor Phil and Pastor Brian, I listened to both

0:34:36.330 --> 0:34:42.658
<v Speaker 1>of you guys, uh, otherwise, other modes and really enjoy, uh,

0:34:42.890 --> 0:34:46.169
<v Speaker 1>your commentary on the Bible and your insight. So you're

0:34:46.169 --> 0:34:49.209
<v Speaker 1>so down to earth and uplifting. And,

0:34:49.259 --> 0:34:49.909
<v Speaker 2>uh,

0:34:50.530 --> 0:34:50.610
<v Speaker 1>anyway,

0:34:50.689 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 2>my question is, thank you,

0:34:51.870 --> 0:34:52.469
<v Speaker 1>Robert.

0:34:54.330 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>You're welcome. Uh, my question is about, uh, the, uh,

0:35:00.380 --> 0:35:05.060
<v Speaker 1>Between David and Goliath, the old classic, uh, story that,

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've heard since I was, you know, just

0:35:06.759 --> 0:35:09.979
<v Speaker 1>a toddler myself, but I heard a commentary, uh, last

0:35:09.979 --> 0:35:14.340
<v Speaker 1>night from, uh, the Bible best man J. Vernon McGee,

0:35:15.060 --> 0:35:15.419
<v Speaker 2>and

0:35:15.419 --> 0:35:15.779
<v Speaker 1>he was

0:35:15.780 --> 0:35:16.699
<v Speaker 2>talking about,

0:35:16.780 --> 0:35:17.449
<v Speaker 1>uh,

0:35:17.899 --> 0:35:18.299
<v Speaker 2>how,

0:35:18.380 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>uh, Goliath had

0:35:19.689 --> 0:35:20.100
<v Speaker 2>4

0:35:20.100 --> 0:35:21.679
<v Speaker 1>brothers, and, you know, I'm,

0:35:21.939 --> 0:35:23.649
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting this vision in my head that

0:35:23.969 --> 0:35:26.529
<v Speaker 2>You know, you're not just seeing Goliath in the army

0:35:26.530 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 2>there in front of him, but these 4 giant brothers also, uh, but, uh,

0:35:32.090 --> 0:35:33.509
<v Speaker 2>it also says, uh,

0:35:34.290 --> 0:35:37.249
<v Speaker 2>That he, he also mentioned that, uh, he picked up

0:35:37.248 --> 0:35:43.130
<v Speaker 2>5 smooth stones from the brook. Like, uh, maybe he

0:35:43.130 --> 0:35:46.908
<v Speaker 2>was gonna go after, you know, the brothers too. Uh,

0:35:47.330 --> 0:35:49.248
<v Speaker 2>I was wondering what, what do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, talk about brave, man, he's not only going

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<v Speaker 2>after Goliath, but he's thinking about going after these big

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<v Speaker 2>brothers too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that does very much and and I've heard, I've

0:36:00.060 --> 0:36:02.089
<v Speaker 2>heard people say that before. And you know, it's a

0:36:02.090 --> 0:36:04.959
<v Speaker 2>little bit tongue in cheek, I think, and from uh

0:36:05.380 --> 0:36:08.890
<v Speaker 2>Jay Vernon, it would, it would be that definitely. Um,

0:36:09.070 --> 0:36:11.780
<v Speaker 2>Goliath did have brothers though, and we do know from

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:16.679
<v Speaker 2>later on in the scriptures that um in future battles,

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Goliath's brothers were engaged and uh it it makes a

0:36:20.759 --> 0:36:23.870
<v Speaker 2>point to say that um all of the

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<v Speaker 2>Relatives, some say it's brothers, some say it's sons of

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<v Speaker 2>the giant fell by the hand of David indirectly because

0:36:32.100 --> 0:36:37.620
<v Speaker 2>they fell through David's men. Now, um, I don't think

0:36:37.620 --> 0:36:40.819
<v Speaker 2>they were all necessarily.

0:36:41.310 --> 0:36:44.020
<v Speaker 2>You know, backing Goliath as he was coming out, and

0:36:44.020 --> 0:36:48.189
<v Speaker 2>David's like, oh, wait a second, there's. Yeah. Oh, there's

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<v Speaker 2>5 of them. Let me grab 5 stones. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>David is, I mean, the sling was his weapon. And

0:36:55.189 --> 0:36:59.069
<v Speaker 2>so he's gonna just have, he's gonna have enough ammo. He,

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<v Speaker 2>David doesn't, I, I, I mean, he doesn't have any

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee that the first stone is gonna do what it did.

0:37:04.909 --> 0:37:08.110
<v Speaker 2>But that's what it did because, of course, God was directing.

0:37:08.649 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>David. So I think it was just really practically speaking,

0:37:11.890 --> 0:37:14.530
<v Speaker 2>it was just preparation for a battle that could have

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<v Speaker 2>taken 1 stone, and could have taken 5.

0:37:18.850 --> 0:37:21.130
<v Speaker 2>I would add, yeah, I, I totally agree. I think it's,

0:37:21.209 --> 0:37:25.248
<v Speaker 2>it's prudence. This, I, I, and I've heard this, you know,

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.899
<v Speaker 2>taught my whole life, my Christian life was this like,

0:37:28.330 --> 0:37:30.689
<v Speaker 2>you know, it doesn't matter what direction David threw that

0:37:30.689 --> 0:37:34.049
<v Speaker 2>stone in, it was gonna kill Goliath. And, um, that's

0:37:34.050 --> 0:37:40.049
<v Speaker 2>not true. That's just not true. Like, um, God brought

0:37:40.050 --> 0:37:44.429
<v Speaker 2>Goliath down through a man who was a really faithful,

0:37:44.850 --> 0:37:45.709
<v Speaker 2>faithful tool.

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.919
<v Speaker 2>And so, like, uh, you know, David was really good

0:37:48.919 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 2>at what he did and it's like, it's like anything, man,

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.589
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna go into battle, go prepared, right? Like,

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.909
<v Speaker 2>don't grab one stone when you could grab 5. Why

0:37:55.909 --> 0:37:57.659
<v Speaker 2>would you do that? Like, there's no,

0:37:58.340 --> 0:38:00.259
<v Speaker 2>You know, and we, we also assume that like the

0:38:00.259 --> 0:38:03.749
<v Speaker 2>whole army, the Philistine army, like, just like.

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:08.070
<v Speaker 2>Stopped fighting the second that Goliath died, but the truth is,

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.370
<v Speaker 2>that would have incited a total battle, like a raging battle.

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 2>And so for David to be prepared for, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just about killing Goliath, but others are gonna be, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not Goliath's brothers, but he has no other weapon, right?

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 2>So he's, he's just, you just gotta be prudent. God

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<v Speaker 2>was faithful, but David was prudent.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, um, Robert, did that answer your question?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, very insightful. Thank you. All right, thank you, Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>for calling us at 888-564-6173 from Hemet. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go from Hemet to uh Menefee and talk to Pamela. Pamela,

0:38:42.159 --> 0:38:43.049
<v Speaker 1>welcome to the program.

0:38:44.530 --> 0:38:47.408
<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. Thank you for taking my, my

0:38:47.409 --> 0:38:50.959
<v Speaker 1>call and my question. I hope I can, um, get

0:38:50.959 --> 0:38:53.810
<v Speaker 1>my question now because I get so nervous. So I'm sorry, uh,

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:58.610
<v Speaker 1>Pastor Brian and Pastor Phil, but my voice will be shaky, but, um,

0:38:58.729 --> 0:39:04.189
<v Speaker 1>I'm very strong and, um, my belief. My question is,

0:39:04.570 --> 0:39:08.870
<v Speaker 1>we are studying, um, now in my Bible study, we're studying, uh,

0:39:09.530 --> 0:39:10.530
<v Speaker 1>the book of Mark.

0:39:11.110 --> 0:39:15.729
<v Speaker 1>And a market says that um Jesus sort of just

0:39:15.989 --> 0:39:18.790
<v Speaker 1>got up one day in Nazareth and walked over to

0:39:18.790 --> 0:39:22.790
<v Speaker 1>um uh the Jordan and John the Baptist was there

0:39:22.790 --> 0:39:26.149
<v Speaker 1>because it was prophesized uh many years before and he

0:39:26.149 --> 0:39:26.549
<v Speaker 1>gets back.

0:39:26.810 --> 0:39:31.259
<v Speaker 1>Baptized. My question is, that was um sort of shared

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.779
<v Speaker 1>uh thought in our Bible study was Jesus didn't know

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>that he was the Son of God and when when

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.679
<v Speaker 1>God speaks to him out of heaven, that's when he

0:39:43.679 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 1>got the Holy Spirit. He came down, that's when he

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:50.939
<v Speaker 1>had the Spirit, but before that, he didn't have the Spirit.

0:39:51.550 --> 0:39:55.229
<v Speaker 1>And I disagree with that, but I don't have the

0:39:55.229 --> 0:39:59.069
<v Speaker 1>scriptures to back that up. That's what I'm hoping you

0:39:59.070 --> 0:39:59.729
<v Speaker 1>can help me.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, um.

0:40:03.790 --> 0:40:05.050
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>That's, that's, that's a great question, Pamela, and uh, you're

0:40:10.050 --> 0:40:14.529
<v Speaker 2>doing very well asking that question. So don't worry about

0:40:14.530 --> 0:40:17.330
<v Speaker 2>being a little bit nervous because you're coming across loud

0:40:17.330 --> 0:40:21.810
<v Speaker 2>and clear and it's, it's great that you're calling. Thank you. Um.

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<v Speaker 2>So remember Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit. So

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<v Speaker 2>to say that Jesus didn't have the Holy Spirit before

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:35.529
<v Speaker 2>his baptism would be a mistake. Um, he's filled with

0:40:35.530 --> 0:40:40.280
<v Speaker 2>the Spirit from the, the moment, you know, of his conception, really.

0:40:40.820 --> 0:40:44.380
<v Speaker 2>And the Gospel of Matthew makes that clear. The Gospel

0:40:44.380 --> 0:40:47.149
<v Speaker 2>of Luke makes that clear, that which is born.

0:40:47.729 --> 0:40:49.850
<v Speaker 2>The angel says to Mary, that which is born of

0:40:49.850 --> 0:40:53.709
<v Speaker 2>you shall be called the Son of the Most High,

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:58.270
<v Speaker 2>and you will conceive and, you know, bear a child.

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:02.890
<v Speaker 2>This Holy Spirit will come upon you. And so we

0:41:02.890 --> 0:41:06.509
<v Speaker 2>have that there. What happens at the baptism of Jesus

0:41:06.890 --> 0:41:11.370
<v Speaker 2>is the Spirit comes upon Him now in an empowering

0:41:11.370 --> 0:41:12.380
<v Speaker 2>way for the

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<v Speaker 2>For the fulfillment of the mission that God has sent

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 2>him on, because remember, it was at the baptism of

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:21.219
<v Speaker 2>Jesus that he really did enter now into the mission.

0:41:21.479 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Up to that point, he's living in obscurity. Um, only

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:29.998
<v Speaker 2>Mary and a few, maybe a few people would even

0:41:29.998 --> 0:41:34.439
<v Speaker 2>know about his past and the, you know, the miraculous

0:41:34.439 --> 0:41:38.709
<v Speaker 2>things surrounding his birth and so forth. So, um, Jesus,

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.100
<v Speaker 2>when he arrives on the scene,

0:41:41.530 --> 0:41:44.169
<v Speaker 2>And and God had told John.

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<v Speaker 2>That the one on whom the Spirit descends and remains,

0:41:48.959 --> 0:41:54.199
<v Speaker 2>he is the Messiah. So Jesus, the Spirit came upon

0:41:54.199 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 2>him partially as a, as a sign for John to

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 2>know that the Messiah had indeed come, and he was

0:42:04.759 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 2>now entering his ministry. So the, the, the baptism of

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Jesus by John, which then included the Spirit descending upon him.

0:42:14.479 --> 0:42:17.229
<v Speaker 2>That was the empowerment for the ministry that he was

0:42:17.229 --> 0:42:20.419
<v Speaker 2>now to embark on over the next 3+ years.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Phil, did you want to say anything?

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<v Speaker 2>I, I, I just throw a verse into there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>John chapter 3, I love this verse, verse 34, for

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<v Speaker 2>he whom God sent, he's speaking about the Son Himself,

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<v Speaker 2>speaks the words of God, for God does not give

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<v Speaker 2>the Spirit by measure. In other words, the Son has

0:42:38.540 --> 0:42:44.340
<v Speaker 2>the Spirit in full measure, um, not contingent upon his

0:42:44.340 --> 0:42:48.060
<v Speaker 2>baptism at all. This is, he has the Spirit, like Brian,

0:42:48.140 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 2>like Pastor Brian said.

0:42:49.780 --> 0:42:52.499
<v Speaker 2>He always has the spirit. He is God the Son.

0:42:52.659 --> 0:42:55.739
<v Speaker 2>He's never without the Spirit. And like you're saying, Phil,

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<v Speaker 2>that the idea there is that everyone before and after

0:43:01.300 --> 0:43:04.899
<v Speaker 2>would have the Spirit by measure. So, you know, we,

0:43:05.259 --> 0:43:08.299
<v Speaker 2>the old, the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit, but

0:43:08.300 --> 0:43:12.100
<v Speaker 2>it was not the fullness of the totality of the Spirit.

0:43:12.219 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 2>But Jesus, he has a spirit without measure. So he

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.399
<v Speaker 2>has the fullness of the Spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that help, Pamela?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me bring her back on. Pamela, does that help?

0:43:22.860 --> 0:43:26.090
<v Speaker 1>It does. Thank you. Do you think, I, I can't

0:43:26.090 --> 0:43:30.219
<v Speaker 1>imagine because he's God, but do you think Jesus was

0:43:30.219 --> 0:43:33.499
<v Speaker 1>surprised by me, me, I'm the one called? Or do

0:43:33.498 --> 0:43:38.100
<v Speaker 1>you think he knew? And, and it just confirmed mostly

0:43:38.100 --> 0:43:42.580
<v Speaker 1>to others, maybe not even to himself, like he already

0:43:42.580 --> 0:43:47.739
<v Speaker 2>knew. Yeah, well, remember when Jesus was a boy, when

0:43:47.739 --> 0:43:49.860
<v Speaker 2>he was 12 years old, he went.

0:43:50.350 --> 0:43:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh, with his family up to Jerusalem for the feast,

0:43:54.259 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and then as they were leaving, remember he stayed behind

0:43:57.979 --> 0:44:00.339
<v Speaker 2>and they were worried about him, they were concerned because

0:44:00.340 --> 0:44:02.439
<v Speaker 2>a couple of days passed and they couldn't find him.

0:44:02.699 --> 0:44:04.739
<v Speaker 2>And when they found him, they found him in the

0:44:04.739 --> 0:44:09.020
<v Speaker 2>temple speaking with the doctors and the, you know, the

0:44:09.020 --> 0:44:10.779
<v Speaker 2>rabbis and and all of that.

0:44:11.060 --> 0:44:15.669
<v Speaker 2>And remember the the words of Mary to him, you know,

0:44:15.870 --> 0:44:19.509
<v Speaker 2>speaking to him, you know, your father and I were

0:44:19.509 --> 0:44:22.290
<v Speaker 2>so concerned about you. What, where have you been? Why,

0:44:22.509 --> 0:44:25.270
<v Speaker 2>why did you do this? And he said, Didn't you

0:44:25.270 --> 0:44:29.870
<v Speaker 2>know that I should be about my father's business? Jesus

0:44:29.870 --> 0:44:34.748
<v Speaker 2>knew at 12 years old that he was God's, you know,

0:44:34.830 --> 0:44:36.550
<v Speaker 2>the one God sent into the world.

0:44:37.179 --> 0:44:37.270
<v Speaker 1>His son.

0:44:38.620 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you. I, I couldn't imagine, uh, Jesus not knowing,

0:44:46.009 --> 0:44:49.479
<v Speaker 1>and it just, I, I, I'm just so thankful.

0:44:49.939 --> 0:44:51.409
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then I mean, you know,

0:44:52.060 --> 0:44:52.380
<v Speaker 1>Savior.

0:44:52.580 --> 0:44:53.479
<v Speaker 2>So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for answering my question.

0:44:55.620 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 2>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and Pamela, you did a wonderful job from

0:44:58.899 --> 0:45:01.969
<v Speaker 1>Menefee on, uh, that question on the air. You did great.

0:45:02.140 --> 0:45:02.419
<v Speaker 1>You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Phil, I don't know, you, you've probably read some different

0:45:06.169 --> 0:45:07.879
<v Speaker 2>authors too, but I, I've read.

0:45:08.469 --> 0:45:09.409
<v Speaker 2>Guys who

0:45:10.229 --> 0:45:12.949
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, they, I, I mean, I think you have,

0:45:13.110 --> 0:45:13.810
<v Speaker 2>you have.

0:45:14.770 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Two mistakes in

0:45:18.489 --> 0:45:23.689
<v Speaker 2>A perspective on Jesus. Sometimes we so focus on his

0:45:23.689 --> 0:45:27.689
<v Speaker 2>divinity that we lose sight of his humanity and we

0:45:27.689 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 2>forget that Jesus is a human being like like we are,

0:45:30.770 --> 0:45:33.489
<v Speaker 2>except without sin. But then the other side of it

0:45:33.489 --> 0:45:36.630
<v Speaker 2>is you so emphasize his humanity.

0:45:37.439 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 2>That and not, not denying his divinity, but emphasize I

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 2>think some have overemphasized his humanity. I've I've read authors

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 2>who said that Jesus probably felt that he was having

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 2>a mental breakdown at times, that he was kind of

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:57.479
<v Speaker 2>going through like a schizophrenia because of this emergence of

0:45:57.479 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the Gods, you know, the, the divinity within him and stuff.

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:06.199
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just like, I, I don't think so. You know, so.

0:46:07.699 --> 0:46:12.169
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we, we just have to be careful and not

0:46:12.469 --> 0:46:16.469
<v Speaker 2>go either direction too far. It's almost like it's so

0:46:16.469 --> 0:46:18.790
<v Speaker 2>hard to not too, right? It's like, so we're trying

0:46:18.790 --> 0:46:21.550
<v Speaker 2>to be balanced, but you realize it's, man, that's a

0:46:21.550 --> 0:46:23.709
<v Speaker 2>tough one. But you're right, I've, I, I've read that too,

0:46:23.748 --> 0:46:26.449
<v Speaker 2>where you have people that are too extreme on either side,

0:46:26.739 --> 0:46:29.390
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, yeah, but you're missing is humanity, or wait,

0:46:29.469 --> 0:46:32.449
<v Speaker 2>you're missing is divinity. And, uh, yeah.

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Boy, heaven is gonna be quite the place when we

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.029
<v Speaker 2>just grasp it all in its fullness. It's gonna be incredible.

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:46:40.919 --> 0:46:43.998
<v Speaker 1>I think we've got another deep question from, uh, Hannah

0:46:43.998 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 1>from Newport Beach. Hannah, go ahead. You're on Pastor's perspective.

0:46:48.130 --> 0:46:52.770
<v Speaker 1>Hi, um, yes, my question is I've decided to read

0:46:52.770 --> 0:46:56.609
<v Speaker 1>the Bible cover to cover, um, and so thank you.

0:46:56.709 --> 0:47:00.689
<v Speaker 1>I'm in Judges now, but one of the very first

0:47:00.689 --> 0:47:03.649
<v Speaker 1>things that I came across that I didn't know how

0:47:03.649 --> 0:47:08.370
<v Speaker 1>to feel about was Genesis 6:6, which says, um, the

0:47:08.370 --> 0:47:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Lord regretted that He made human beings on the earth

0:47:11.399 --> 0:47:14.890
<v Speaker 1>and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said,

0:47:14.969 --> 0:47:15.330
<v Speaker 1>I will.

0:47:15.455 --> 0:47:18.334
<v Speaker 1>Wipe them away and you know he regrets that he

0:47:18.334 --> 0:47:22.475
<v Speaker 1>made them and I'm struggling with the word regret because

0:47:22.685 --> 0:47:26.274
<v Speaker 1>at least in today's definition of regret, it's something that

0:47:26.284 --> 0:47:29.614
<v Speaker 1>you didn't see coming or a decision that you made

0:47:29.614 --> 0:47:34.435
<v Speaker 1>that was like potentially a mistake and through reading the Bible,

0:47:35.445 --> 0:47:38.004
<v Speaker 1>obviously I'm getting a sense of God's personality, which is

0:47:38.005 --> 0:47:42.424
<v Speaker 1>really fun, but this has stumped me. I've looked at other.

0:47:43.759 --> 0:47:48.419
<v Speaker 1>Um, translations, and the only other translation that I've seen

0:47:48.419 --> 0:47:52.630
<v Speaker 1>was repented, and that's like very similar. So I just

0:47:52.630 --> 0:47:55.669
<v Speaker 1>didn't know how to feel about the word regret and

0:47:55.669 --> 0:47:59.350
<v Speaker 1>like can God regret something and does he make mistakes

0:47:59.350 --> 0:48:02.100
<v Speaker 1>and I don't believe that he does, but I just

0:48:02.100 --> 0:48:03.908
<v Speaker 1>didn't know how to feel about that and maybe you

0:48:03.909 --> 0:48:06.249
<v Speaker 1>guys had more of a perspective of what that means.

0:48:06.870 --> 0:48:08.050
<v Speaker 1>All right, Phil, what would you say?

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.830
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hannah, great question. Um, two things I want to

0:48:11.830 --> 0:48:15.969
<v Speaker 2>mention on this. The first one is the word regret,

0:48:16.270 --> 0:48:19.310
<v Speaker 2>like we, it means something to us that it doesn't

0:48:19.310 --> 0:48:22.229
<v Speaker 2>mean when it's being used towards God. So the word

0:48:22.229 --> 0:48:26.189
<v Speaker 2>regret here for in Genesis 6 is more the idea

0:48:26.189 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 2>of like sorrow.

0:48:27.909 --> 0:48:32.110
<v Speaker 2>And it's not sorrow as in um like like um

0:48:32.110 --> 0:48:34.390
<v Speaker 2>I made a mistake and now I need to fix

0:48:34.390 --> 0:48:39.870
<v Speaker 2>that mistake. It's just purely sorrow, profound disappointment. God is disappointed.

0:48:39.909 --> 0:48:44.050
<v Speaker 2>He is, he is sad at the state of humanity.

0:48:44.149 --> 0:48:46.830
<v Speaker 2>That's the same word in Hebrew that we would use

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<v Speaker 2>for sorrow. They would use, they use the word regret.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the first point. The second point is connected

0:48:51.649 --> 0:48:52.969
<v Speaker 2>to that. The Bible.

0:48:53.489 --> 0:48:56.890
<v Speaker 2>Uses what we call, I think it's called anthropomorphisms, which

0:48:56.890 --> 0:48:59.669
<v Speaker 2>is the idea, and this is pretty common in scripture,

0:49:00.090 --> 0:49:04.969
<v Speaker 2>where it's using human words to help us understand God.

0:49:05.899 --> 0:49:09.140
<v Speaker 2>And this is one of those moments where, um, you know,

0:49:10.070 --> 0:49:12.908
<v Speaker 2>God is genuinely emotional about the concept of like, I'm

0:49:12.909 --> 0:49:16.790
<v Speaker 2>sorrowful for what's happening, what's happened in humanity, but we

0:49:16.790 --> 0:49:19.350
<v Speaker 2>use the word regret differently than the way God uses

0:49:19.350 --> 0:49:22.509
<v Speaker 2>that word. So, it's used to help us to understand,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not in the same way that we do

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<v Speaker 2>understand it, if that makes sense. So, those two things,

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<v Speaker 2>when the Bible uses the word regret for God, it's

0:49:30.429 --> 0:49:33.459
<v Speaker 2>the word, it's the idea of sorrow, he's sad about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's used that way because it helps.

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<v Speaker 2>Us humans understand what that must have felt like for God.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Hannah, how about, how did that help you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then just to kind of round it out,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>He

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't see it coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he saw it coming, but I think the reality

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:03.419
<v Speaker 2>of the, you know, the manifestation of it.

0:50:04.110 --> 0:50:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Of course God sees everything coming because he knows everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but as it's playing itself out in real time and

0:50:11.790 --> 0:50:16.380
<v Speaker 2>all of the, you know, tragedy of it, it, it's uh.

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:21.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's, it's impacting God in this emotional way. And,

0:50:21.759 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and like Phil said, the word, the word literally means

0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:27.939
<v Speaker 2>to be sorry. That's the actual, that's the literal rendering

0:50:27.939 --> 0:50:30.770
<v Speaker 2>of the word. Regret is a

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a translation that's allowable, uh, but you could argue

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 2>whether it's the best translation. Maybe it would have just

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 2>been better to just put it in English to be sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>All right,

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<v Speaker 2>does that help very much?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it does. I appreciate it. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Great. Yeah, thanks for calling and it's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>So glad you're thinking about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's

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<v Speaker 2>awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Thank you, Hannah from Newport Beach, uh, calling at

0:50:55.909 --> 0:51:01.069
<v Speaker 1>888-564-6173 from Newport Beach to Hemmett we go and talk

0:51:01.070 --> 0:51:03.790
<v Speaker 1>to Lemay. Lemay, welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I appreciate your call, um, taking this. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>my question is, I've been tithing since I was a

0:51:11.270 --> 0:51:17.029
<v Speaker 1>teenager on everything, and now I'm 83 and on Social Security, uh,

0:51:17.140 --> 0:51:19.630
<v Speaker 1>and tithing on it, but haven't I already tithed on

0:51:19.630 --> 0:51:20.050
<v Speaker 1>it once?

0:51:21.540 --> 0:51:24.689
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question because it is money she's already

0:51:24.689 --> 0:51:27.550
<v Speaker 1>tithed on. So, uh, we're going to go to Pastor Brian.

0:51:27.630 --> 0:51:29.299
<v Speaker 1>What do you say? What do you say to Lemay?

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<v Speaker 2>Um, yeah, you have, you've tithed on it already. So

0:51:32.790 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that you need to do a double,

0:51:35.550 --> 0:51:38.830
<v Speaker 2>a double tithe. But Lemay, what I would say too

0:51:38.830 --> 0:51:45.830
<v Speaker 2>is that tithing, uh, and then people will consider this controversial, um.

0:51:46.090 --> 0:51:49.790
<v Speaker 2>I, I don't believe that the New Testament requires tithing. Now,

0:51:50.090 --> 0:51:54.370
<v Speaker 2>tithe means 1/10th, and I think it's fine to give 10th.

0:51:54.409 --> 0:51:56.589
<v Speaker 2>I think in some cases we should give more than 1/10.

0:51:56.729 --> 0:52:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Some people don't, you know, can give less than 1/10. Um,

0:52:01.489 --> 0:52:05.949
<v Speaker 2>tithing is an Old Testament principle. We find it, um,

0:52:05.959 --> 0:52:09.209
<v Speaker 2>in the Gospels because the gospels are still set historically

0:52:09.209 --> 0:52:13.080
<v Speaker 2>really in an Old Testament kind of mode of things. Um,

0:52:13.169 --> 0:52:15.870
<v Speaker 2>but when we come to the letters,

0:52:16.429 --> 0:52:19.748
<v Speaker 2>To the churches written by the apostles, whether it's Paul

0:52:19.748 --> 0:52:23.589
<v Speaker 2>or Peter or John or whoever it might be. Um,

0:52:23.748 --> 0:52:26.509
<v Speaker 2>there's never any instruction on tithing.

0:52:26.820 --> 0:52:30.459
<v Speaker 2>There is instruction on giving, and probably the best place

0:52:30.459 --> 0:52:33.100
<v Speaker 2>to find that is 2 Corinthians chapters 8 and 9,

0:52:33.140 --> 0:52:36.979
<v Speaker 2>where Paul talks pretty extensively about giving and he, he

0:52:36.979 --> 0:52:39.620
<v Speaker 2>kind of lays down these principles. Uh, and one of

0:52:39.620 --> 0:52:42.739
<v Speaker 2>the principles is let each person give whatever they determine

0:52:42.739 --> 0:52:45.779
<v Speaker 2>in their own heart. So it starts with you making

0:52:45.780 --> 0:52:48.939
<v Speaker 2>the determination on the amount you're going to give, and

0:52:48.939 --> 0:52:53.679
<v Speaker 2>then make sure you, you give it joyfully. And then

0:52:53.899 --> 0:52:55.498
<v Speaker 2>he reminds us, you know,

0:52:55.909 --> 0:53:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Remember, God appreciates generosity. And so, but the idea that

0:53:01.439 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 2>there is a strict, every Christian must give 10%, I

0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:07.719
<v Speaker 2>don't think that you can build a case from the

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:09.799
<v Speaker 2>New Testament for that. Now, if you want to pull

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:13.509
<v Speaker 2>from the Old Testament, which many people do, uh, that's how,

0:53:13.630 --> 0:53:16.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, they come up dogmatically with that. So, I

0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:19.719
<v Speaker 2>think just giving is something that we always wanna do

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.479
<v Speaker 2>because you can't outgive God. God is the giver.

0:53:23.030 --> 0:53:26.969
<v Speaker 2>And I, you know, never wanna be stingy when it

0:53:26.969 --> 0:53:30.969
<v Speaker 2>comes to giving to God because I know that, um,

0:53:31.199 --> 0:53:34.998
<v Speaker 2>God's given me so much. So, but thinking about like

0:53:34.998 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I have to be very precise here and I've gotta

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 2>make sure that I get my 10%, I don't think

0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:43.149
<v Speaker 2>that's something that you need to uh

0:53:43.909 --> 0:53:44.810
<v Speaker 2>be concerned about.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Phil, did you want to do something?

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<v Speaker 2>Just, thank you for your faithfulness for so many years.

0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:55.729
<v Speaker 2>That's really, really, really beautiful and amazing, and I just

0:53:55.729 --> 0:53:59.360
<v Speaker 2>wholeheartedly agree with what Pastor Brian said. I don't think

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:02.109
<v Speaker 2>there's any, there's never been a hard and fast rule.

0:54:02.159 --> 0:54:04.929
<v Speaker 2>It's always been about what's God doing in our hearts,

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:09.669
<v Speaker 2>and you've lived a life of incredible generosity. I would say, um,

0:54:09.679 --> 0:54:12.209
<v Speaker 2>finish well, but that doesn't mean you have to be tithing,

0:54:12.399 --> 0:54:14.620
<v Speaker 2>just finish well with the kind of person you've already

0:54:14.620 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 2>been and let God just keep showing you what that

0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:17.550
<v Speaker 2>looks like.

0:54:18.370 --> 0:54:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Keep the money if you're supposed to keep the money.

0:54:19.998 --> 0:54:21.659
<v Speaker 2>Let's do whatever you're supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Lemay, what do you say?

0:54:25.998 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Let me, what do you say to that? No, I

0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:31.719
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that, um, because I just always had that question

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 1>mark in my brain, and it finally, I don't know,

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.959
<v Speaker 1>I thought, I heard the tithing me mark earlier, bless

0:54:38.959 --> 0:54:39.679
<v Speaker 1>that little lady.

0:54:40.030 --> 0:54:43.290
<v Speaker 1>Um, and I thought, you know, I gotta ask this sometimes,

0:54:43.748 --> 0:54:45.390
<v Speaker 1>and so I was just curious.

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<v Speaker 2>Well,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, I love the Lord. I'm not gonna rob God,

0:54:48.550 --> 0:54:53.149
<v Speaker 1>and I want to be generous, but still, Social Security

0:54:53.149 --> 0:54:57.149
<v Speaker 1>isn't a whole lot to live on. OK, thank you, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>All right,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for calling. Thank you for calling. We really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny that, you know, because I've talked

0:55:01.909 --> 0:55:03.630
<v Speaker 2>to many people so many times like, am I supposed

0:55:03.630 --> 0:55:05.908
<v Speaker 2>to tithe on my net or my gross, and people,

0:55:06.070 --> 0:55:07.090
<v Speaker 2>people get all

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, just stressed out about it. And it's like,

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:13.419
<v Speaker 2>you know, God, God's not stressing out about that. Just

0:55:13.679 --> 0:55:17.239
<v Speaker 2>give and give generously and trust God, you know, it'll

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:17.759
<v Speaker 2>be OK.

0:55:18.199 --> 0:55:21.649
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely. Well, Lemay from Hemmett, thank you for calling

0:55:21.649 --> 0:55:24.509
<v Speaker 1>us on Pastor's Perspective today. Uh, some of you are

0:55:24.509 --> 0:55:27.469
<v Speaker 1>on hold. If you're on hold right now, you get

0:55:27.469 --> 0:55:30.979
<v Speaker 1>a pass for tomorrow. You can talk to Brian Perez and, uh,

0:55:30.989 --> 0:55:33.929
<v Speaker 1>the pastors and get your questions answered. We do appreciate

0:55:33.929 --> 0:55:38.390
<v Speaker 1>you calling. Um, I'm, uh, Michael David in for Brian Perez,

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:41.659
<v Speaker 1>for Pastor Brian Broderson and Pastor Phil Metzger. Thank you

0:55:41.659 --> 0:55:43.669
<v Speaker 1>for joining us today, and we will see you next

0:55:43.669 --> 0:55:45.629
<v Speaker 1>time on Pastor's Perspective. Bye-bye.