WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-10/01/26 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:26.280 Well, hello. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez. 0:00:26.390 --> 0:00:28.139 Oh good, a pastor just walked in. 0:00:28.700 --> 0:00:31.249 Got freaked out for a moment there. You were locked out. 0:00:31.569 --> 0:00:33.890 Oh man. Well, maybe you shouldn't be here. No, I'm joking. 0:00:34.009 --> 0:00:36.759 Stay right here. It's Tommy Coda, pastor of Hope Alive 0:00:36.759 --> 0:00:40.120 Church in Santa Ana, joining me today to answer your 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.089 questions about the Bible, the Christian faith, just about anything 0:00:43.089 --> 0:00:48.028 that's on your mind. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. 0:00:48.290 --> 0:00:50.209 That's 888-564-6. 0:00:50.354 --> 0:00:54.505 173. We are live streaming right now on Facebook, YouTube, 0:00:54.595 --> 0:00:57.714 and Instagram so you can watch what's going on there. 0:00:57.834 --> 0:00:59.834 Not a whole lot going on. You'll just see, well, 0:00:59.915 --> 0:01:03.194 you'll see Tommy's cool hat. Well, there you go, yeah, that's, 0:01:03.313 --> 0:01:06.154 that's enough for people to log in and comment. Make 0:01:06.154 --> 0:01:08.673 sure you comment if you like Tommy's hat there on Facebook. 0:01:08.795 --> 0:01:10.615 Make sure you tell people how you feel about it. 0:01:10.755 --> 0:01:13.875 I like it personally. Uh, I don't look good in hats, so. 0:01:14.339 --> 0:01:16.619 I couldn't do it. Plus the headphones over the hat 0:01:16.619 --> 0:01:20.140 wouldn't work. Well, maybe a Dodger hat. Definitely not a 0:01:20.140 --> 0:01:23.490 Dodger hat. Not gonna do that. No, no, no, no. 0:01:24.130 --> 0:01:28.020 Speaking of Dodgers though, well, I mean, because he's the, 0:01:28.219 --> 0:01:29.140 the archrival. 0:01:29.578 --> 0:01:33.890 Yes, San Diego Padres fan Phil Metzger is here joining 0:01:33.890 --> 0:01:37.179 us from Calgary, San Diego. We're not rivals. They, they 0:01:37.179 --> 0:01:39.539 dominate us. You can't be a rival if you can't 0:01:39.539 --> 0:01:41.780 beat them. You gotta beat them to be a rival. 0:01:42.060 --> 0:01:44.359 They acknowledge that. Yes, and this, this is true. 0:01:46.298 --> 0:01:49.490 However, we did, we did, um, we've been in a 0:01:49.490 --> 0:01:53.689 pretty dominating position right now. We're doing pretty good, but again, I'm, I'm, 0:01:53.770 --> 0:01:56.640 let's be humble here, Padre fans. We, uh, we haven't 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.210 beat the Dodgers, so, yeah, the past two games for 0:01:59.210 --> 0:02:02.159 the Padres, they, you know, I think they, they're so, uh, 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.570 they got so emotional. Maybe they, they got all those 0:02:04.570 --> 0:02:07.530 wiggles out, and now they're gonna come back down to reality. 0:02:07.689 --> 0:02:10.740 We'll see. You hope so. You hope so. 0:02:12.640 --> 0:02:14.978 I was there at the game last night. What a fun, fun. Oh, 0:02:15.170 --> 0:02:18.850 were you really? Absolute party in San Diego. Yeah, I mean, just, 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.779 you know, it's, yeah, I'm not, you know, baseball is whatever, 0:02:21.850 --> 0:02:23.540 but it was just a fun, fun time to be 0:02:23.540 --> 0:02:25.520 with a bunch of San Diegans. Well, when it comes 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.939 time to, uh, in October and, and baseball playoffs and 0:02:28.939 --> 0:02:31.689 all that stuff, that's always, it's always fun. That's, that's 0:02:31.689 --> 0:02:34.659 kind of like the second season, you know, that gets you, 0:02:34.900 --> 0:02:36.760 that's the problem. We wouldn't know. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.320 We definitely in the first half, huh? Yeah, it's, yeah, 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:46.159 it's a month long. So yeah, the Angels, we scored 100% this. Oh, no, no, 0:02:46.279 --> 0:02:50.139 that's 100 games lost. Well, I, you know, there's, there's a, 0:02:50.230 --> 0:02:52.680 there's a, there's a few Angel fans that, that come 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.120 to Hope Life Church, and, and I think their biggest 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.079 win last night at church, one of the guys like, well, 0:02:58.279 --> 0:03:00.159 we got a, we got a new owner. I, that's 0:03:00.159 --> 0:03:03.079 what they were really happy about. So everyone's really excited 0:03:03.079 --> 0:03:05.760 about that. Yeah, yeah, we'll see for sure. Hopefully that'll. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.749 Help a little bit, at least, maybe at least get, 0:03:09.079 --> 0:03:11.719 make us a 500 team. That'd be nice. 0:03:12.219 --> 0:03:15.859 Uh, 888-564-6173 is the number to call us today here 0:03:15.859 --> 0:03:19.100 on Pastor's Perspective. You can also submit your questions online 0:03:19.340 --> 0:03:23.699 through the Pastor's Perspective Facebook page using Messenger, or you 0:03:23.699 --> 0:03:27.380 can DM us on the Pastor's Perspective Instagram, or look 0:03:27.380 --> 0:03:30.699 for the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com where you can 0:03:30.699 --> 0:03:33.260 fill out that form there, that'll get to us. We 0:03:33.260 --> 0:03:35.659 probably won't see any of those today though, so if 0:03:35.659 --> 0:03:37.139 you've got a question, make sure to call in. 0:03:37.919 --> 0:03:42.240 To 888-564-6173 and we'll see if we can help. Let's 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.919 begin with a question that was submitted on Instagram. It 0:03:44.919 --> 0:03:49.760 is from Edward, who writes, I keep sinning. How can 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:54.359 I stop? I keep praying over and over. How can 0:03:54.359 --> 0:03:57.449 I follow Jesus? Tommy, what do you say to Edward? 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.710 You know, uh, well, Edward, you know, I, I would say, uh, 0:04:01.919 --> 0:04:04.359 in some ways, join the club. Uh, we all sin. 0:04:04.919 --> 0:04:07.199 You know, uh, but I, I think I understand, you know, 0:04:07.439 --> 0:04:10.520 where maybe his, uh, his question is coming from it, 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.070 you know, again, I think this might, we might be 0:04:13.070 --> 0:04:15.760 the reason why it's good to have, have people call in, 0:04:15.999 --> 0:04:18.779 you know, because it could be a habitual same kind 0:04:18.779 --> 0:04:22.439 of sin is, you know, and everything, um, and I 0:04:22.439 --> 0:04:26.280 think this is one of the wonderful things about the 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:30.120 church and, you know, God's God's design in the church and, 0:04:30.229 --> 0:04:32.378 and just being with one another. 0:04:32.829 --> 0:04:34.629 I, I think of a passage in the book of 0:04:34.628 --> 0:04:36.409 James in chapter number 5 where. 0:04:37.150 --> 0:04:39.500 Uh, the writer there, James, he says to confess our 0:04:39.500 --> 0:04:44.020 sins one to another, and there's something powerful about that, yeah, 0:04:44.139 --> 0:04:47.999 because when we do confess our sin, uh, to the Lord, 0:04:48.539 --> 0:04:52.060 you know, he is faithful and, and just to forgive 0:04:52.060 --> 0:04:54.500 us of our sins and, and to wash us and 0:04:54.500 --> 0:04:57.539 to cleanse us. That's the faithfulness of God, that's the 0:04:57.539 --> 0:04:59.939 grace of God, that's the mercy of God, that's, that's 0:04:59.940 --> 0:05:02.500 the character of God and, and yet at the same time. 0:05:02.969 --> 0:05:06.219 You know, we, this side of heaven, we may find 0:05:06.219 --> 0:05:10.099 ourselves like in this, these moments and areas of bondage 0:05:10.099 --> 0:05:11.799 where it's just a a. 0:05:12.139 --> 0:05:15.779 It is just really hard to get through some things and, 0:05:16.020 --> 0:05:18.259 and that's where, again, that's where the beauty of the 0:05:18.258 --> 0:05:22.460 church and the power of, of just being connected with 0:05:22.460 --> 0:05:24.979 the body of Christ. And so I would encourage Edward, 0:05:25.339 --> 0:05:27.729 you know, to this might be something, whatever it is 0:05:27.729 --> 0:05:30.279 that he might be wrestling with, if it's something specific, 0:05:30.698 --> 0:05:33.180 which it may be, uh, that's where you just get 0:05:33.180 --> 0:05:36.619 some accountability or or talk with his pastor, talk with some, 0:05:36.900 --> 0:05:40.329 some spiritual leaders there in his church, um, that he can. 0:05:40.568 --> 0:05:42.448 You know, say, hey, these are some things that I 0:05:42.448 --> 0:05:45.568 keep falling in and I keep wrestling with and I, I, 0:05:45.650 --> 0:05:48.288 I can't seem to get through it. And I, I want, 0:05:48.378 --> 0:05:50.560 you know, I want to get through this and, um, 0:05:50.690 --> 0:05:53.370 and prayerfully, that's where, where that comes in because then 0:05:53.370 --> 0:05:56.490 it's like, hey, someone else, you know, can look at 0:05:56.490 --> 0:05:58.758 me with, you know, hearts of, uh, a heart of 0:05:58.758 --> 0:06:00.828 love and, and prayer, but also be real and say, 0:06:00.889 --> 0:06:03.479 hey man, how are you doing today with this, whatever 0:06:03.479 --> 0:06:05.599 it is that you're, you're wrestling with, you know, are you, 0:06:06.008 --> 0:06:07.930 you know, having a good day with it and stuff. So. 0:06:08.719 --> 0:06:11.569 I think that's something that's important to do. Yeah, Phil, 0:06:11.650 --> 0:06:13.529 what would you say, Phil, your lights just went out. 0:06:13.639 --> 0:06:18.250 That was weird. Oh, we lost Phil. Nope, there he's back. No, 0:06:18.529 --> 0:06:20.970 that was so weird. Did you? OK, you saw it too. 0:06:21.128 --> 0:06:25.339 Me too. I thought it was just on our end. Yeah, man. No. 0:06:25.448 --> 0:06:26.929 All right, it was on. 0:06:27.779 --> 0:06:29.930 No, because my computer is going crazy on me. Yeah, 0:06:30.039 --> 0:06:34.279 I completely and, oh, go ahead. There, there you are. 0:06:34.579 --> 0:06:36.940 You're back. Am I back now? OK. 0:06:38.719 --> 0:06:42.878 No, you're not. Um, no, it's terrible. Might have to, uh, yeah, 0:06:43.039 --> 0:06:46.560 might have to reboot or something. Or is that on 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.279 our end that we have to reboot? Maybe we'll both 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.400 do it, and then, you know, on the count of 3123, reboot, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.479 and then everything will work again. All right, am I 0:06:54.479 --> 0:06:57.719 back on now? I can hear you. Your lips don't 0:06:57.719 --> 0:06:59.999 match the video, so you know, but go ahead I'll 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.520 even come back. Well, go ahead and give the answer first, 0:07:02.599 --> 0:07:04.500 and if it, it doesn't work, then we'll stop. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.539 Um, I was gonna say I loved what Tommy shared. 0:07:09.599 --> 0:07:12.759 I think accountability is the thing that's always lacking when people, 0:07:12.879 --> 0:07:18.180 when Christians want help, is we, you cannot pray away what, um, 0:07:18.639 --> 0:07:21.840 oftentimes the body of, like, this is why God made 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.439 us a part of a body, where we are, you know, 0:07:24.579 --> 0:07:27.039 iron sharpening iron, we're a part of a body, and 0:07:27.039 --> 0:07:29.960 so we need to lean in, um, on that, like 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.120 you're not, you're not meant to try to live out 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:33.379 your Christian life. 0:07:33.900 --> 0:07:37.740 Incognito or on your own, it's just that's just not feasible. 0:07:37.780 --> 0:07:42.579 It's not realistic. And so, um, I'd, I'd really encourage 0:07:42.579 --> 0:07:45.660 this person to like, you know, a, a prayer is great, 0:07:45.940 --> 0:07:48.259 but when you're praying and nobody else is like you're 0:07:48.259 --> 0:07:51.889 not like speaking out loud sometimes you're, you're the things 0:07:51.889 --> 0:07:54.819 that you need help with, uh, you just don't get 0:07:54.819 --> 0:07:57.789 the help. That's just the reality and, um. 0:07:58.250 --> 0:08:00.609 And so, you know, speak it out, have a friend 0:08:00.609 --> 0:08:02.710 that you can talk to that will hold you accountable. 0:08:03.009 --> 0:08:04.930 I loved it. I thought it was a great answer, Tommy. Oh, 0:08:05.049 --> 0:08:07.530 praise the Lord. Yeah, you know, another thing I think, 0:08:07.609 --> 0:08:10.449 you know, as you're sharing feels like it, it's um. 0:08:12.479 --> 0:08:14.910 The enemy will condemn us, you know, and I think 0:08:14.910 --> 0:08:17.379 when we, when we are confessing and we're connecting with 0:08:17.379 --> 0:08:20.190 other people and, and within the church and within the 0:08:20.190 --> 0:08:22.660 body of Christ, you know, it, it has, there's a, 0:08:23.069 --> 0:08:26.669 it kind of removes this hindrance of guilt, you know, um, and, 0:08:26.710 --> 0:08:30.949 and condemnation, you know, that we have and so yeah, I, 0:08:31.030 --> 0:08:33.709 I would encourage that and you know, also too, I 0:08:33.710 --> 0:08:35.910 think sometimes, you know, um. 0:08:36.569 --> 0:08:38.689 Like when a person may read this passage and they'll 0:08:38.690 --> 0:08:40.370 be like, oh man, I'm just gonna go and confess 0:08:40.370 --> 0:08:42.650 my sin, and you know, I was gonna go tell 0:08:42.650 --> 0:08:45.410 anybody and everybody like all these things that I'm going through, 0:08:45.449 --> 0:08:48.889 it's like, well, I, I would encourage people like, um, that's, yeah, 0:08:48.970 --> 0:08:51.569 I'm glad that you wanna share with people and you wanna, 0:08:51.809 --> 0:08:54.249 you know, find some accountability, but I would also encourage 0:08:54.249 --> 0:08:56.719 like find that right person, like, you know, people that's 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.770 gonna point you to Jesus and, and, and, and truly, 0:09:01.090 --> 0:09:03.969 you know, keep you, um, in prayer and constantly point 0:09:03.970 --> 0:09:05.369 you to the Lord, you know, so. 0:09:05.809 --> 0:09:07.780 Yeah, that, because that can be a dangerous thing is, 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:12.100 it's like, you know, all this, you know, you tell your, your, yeah, 0:09:12.650 --> 0:09:15.059 everybody now knows all these struggles and you're like, hey, 0:09:15.139 --> 0:09:17.900 what's going on here, you know, man, during church, turn 0:09:17.900 --> 0:09:20.339 around and say hi to the person next to you 0:09:20.340 --> 0:09:22.420 and tell them a little bit about yourself. Yeah, tell 0:09:22.420 --> 0:09:23.840 them the worst thing you did this week. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.989 No, no, no, may not be the best place to be. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.960 Share that with Jesus. That's right, Edward. Thank you so 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.520 much for sending in your question through the pastor's perspective Instagram. 0:09:34.929 --> 0:09:37.009 Uh, by DMing us, that's one of the ways that 0:09:37.009 --> 0:09:39.170 you can get your question to us also by using 0:09:39.170 --> 0:09:43.089 Messenger on the pastor's perspective Facebook page or by scanning 0:09:43.090 --> 0:09:46.209 the QR code if you're watching on Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram. 0:09:46.328 --> 0:09:49.729 That'll take you to the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com 0:09:50.050 --> 0:09:53.170 where you can submit that form there and that'll get 0:09:53.170 --> 0:09:55.078 your question to us. We won't see it today, like 0:09:55.078 --> 0:09:56.839 I said a little bit ago. So if you 0:09:57.129 --> 0:09:59.770 Have a question today, call us and we'll try to 0:09:59.770 --> 0:10:05.069 get to you at 888-564-6173. Let's uh do one more 0:10:05.530 --> 0:10:08.410 for now anyway, uh, that was sent in online, this 0:10:08.410 --> 0:10:13.670 one through the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com. Vince writes 0:10:13.850 --> 0:10:19.730 regarding Luke chapter 14, verses 25 through 33. I'm not 0:10:19.730 --> 0:10:22.530 gonna read the whole passage there, but the heading in 0:10:22.530 --> 0:10:25.949 my Bible at least says the cost of being a disciple. 0:10:26.270 --> 0:10:30.530 So, um, Vince wants to know, uh, Jesus is calling 0:10:30.530 --> 0:10:33.379 the crowds to discipleship by loving Him more than their 0:10:33.379 --> 0:10:37.730 earthly family, bearing their cross, renouncing all that they have. 0:10:38.100 --> 0:10:41.110 Can you help me understand the parable in verses 28 0:10:41.110 --> 0:10:42.410 through 32? 0:10:43.309 --> 0:10:46.189 Uh, is he calling them to consider if they're really 0:10:46.189 --> 0:10:48.939 willing to go all in on being a disciple, or 0:10:48.939 --> 0:10:51.988 is he challenging them to consider if they're willing to 0:10:51.989 --> 0:10:56.110 renounce their earthly building projects and plans for war? I 0:10:56.110 --> 0:10:59.020 believe both of these are part of discipleship, but I 0:10:59.020 --> 0:11:02.738 usually hear the former mentioned and not the latter when 0:11:02.739 --> 0:11:07.748 teaching this passage. So, uh, 28 through 32. 0:11:08.139 --> 0:11:10.020 It's kind of a lot too, but, uh, you know, 0:11:10.259 --> 0:11:12.300 suppose one of you wants to build a tower, won't 0:11:12.300 --> 0:11:15.540 you first sit down and estimate the cost, uh, or 0:11:15.540 --> 0:11:17.179 suppose a king is about to go to war against 0:11:17.179 --> 0:11:19.499 another king, won't he first sit down and consider whether 0:11:19.499 --> 0:11:24.209 he's able, uh, to fight in the battle? So what 0:11:24.210 --> 0:11:27.499 do these passages mean for us when it comes to 0:11:27.499 --> 0:11:28.719 discipleship and our 0:11:29.550 --> 0:11:32.378 Our walk with Jesus. What would you say, Tommy? 0:11:33.929 --> 0:11:36.689 This is a great question. Also, it's also a great 0:11:36.689 --> 0:11:40.449 passage here because it's always a reminder that, you know, um, 0:11:41.210 --> 0:11:44.129 there is, there is a cost, you know, to, to 0:11:44.129 --> 0:11:46.999 consider that cost, you know, and it's, um, you know, 0:11:47.090 --> 0:11:48.069 when I think of. 0:11:48.619 --> 0:11:51.460 When, when it coming to, to the thing of of 0:11:51.460 --> 0:11:55.780 Christianity and and serving, see, there is no room for 0:11:55.780 --> 0:12:01.259 spectators in, in, in, in Christianity. You know, we've all 0:12:01.259 --> 0:12:04.089 been given a gift. We've all been called to serve somehow, 0:12:04.179 --> 0:12:08.349 some way, you know, some in greater capacities than others. Um, 0:12:08.499 --> 0:12:10.340 but at the same time, there is, there is a 0:12:10.340 --> 0:12:11.628 cost and 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.639 You know, God, when the Lord calls us to do something, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.280 it's rare, rare. It's, I don't see any place where 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.959 he calls us to do things that that is easy 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.839 and it's simple. You know, there's always going to be 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.960 um some kind of cost that that is to it. 0:12:27.999 --> 0:12:30.559 And so I think when you're looking at here when 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.869 Jesus uses this analogy and and 0:12:33.150 --> 0:12:36.860 In regards to, like, you know, war and battle, you know, there's, 0:12:36.910 --> 0:12:41.069 there's consideration of what's gonna, you know, it, what, what's 0:12:41.069 --> 0:12:44.270 required of, um, or required, excuse me, what's required of 0:12:44.270 --> 0:12:46.988 all these things, you know, to serve, and it's not 0:12:46.989 --> 0:12:49.550 gonna necessarily be an easy thing, you know, Jesus does 0:12:49.550 --> 0:12:51.189 call us to pick up our cross, you know, so 0:12:51.189 --> 0:12:54.629 it's a, it's a life of sacrifice, you know, and, 0:12:54.689 --> 0:12:57.210 and laying it down before him and, and prioritizing. 0:12:58.009 --> 0:13:00.610 You know, the things of God in my life rather 0:13:00.610 --> 0:13:04.119 than my comfort, you know, because, um, you know, that 0:13:04.119 --> 0:13:06.679 can be an, you know, an easy thing to do. So, 0:13:06.770 --> 0:13:09.090 you know, I'd rather be comfortable, but we have to 0:13:09.090 --> 0:13:11.910 consider the cost when we're following, when we're following the Lord. 0:13:12.489 --> 0:13:16.559 So does being comfortable about something automatically mean, like we 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.089 often hear the phrase in Christian circles, I prayed about 0:13:21.090 --> 0:13:23.530 something and I, I felt a piece about it. 0:13:24.059 --> 0:13:26.499 So, I mean, are we always going to feel a 0:13:26.499 --> 0:13:28.980 piece about it because sometimes we've got to do those 0:13:28.980 --> 0:13:31.379 hard things. Carrying a cross, I don't think it's something 0:13:31.379 --> 0:13:33.179 that you could just say, oh yeah, I felt a 0:13:33.179 --> 0:13:37.110 piece about carrying it, or, or whatever, whatever you're going through. 0:13:37.179 --> 0:13:40.499 You're not carrying a physical literal cross, of course, but 0:13:40.499 --> 0:13:43.139 whatever it is that you might be going through. Um, Phil, 0:13:43.210 --> 0:13:45.259 want to start on that one? Yeah. 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.520 Yeah, I'm happy to. And then, uh, and maybe I 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.139 can say a little bit more on the, on the 0:13:49.139 --> 0:13:51.589 first issue too, but no, that's a great point, Brian, 0:13:51.639 --> 0:13:52.998 and I think you're, you're, you put the ball in 0:13:52.999 --> 0:13:55.429 the tee to make it very easy. It's so true. We, 0:13:55.879 --> 0:13:58.960 we have this tendency of, you know, I think especially 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.600 for those of us that live in the Western world, um, 0:14:01.710 --> 0:14:06.960 it's easy to confuse, uh, Christianity with the, like, uh, 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.319 With the prosperity kind of mindset of like. 0:14:12.069 --> 0:14:14.759 You know, um, you know, life and liberty, kind of 0:14:14.759 --> 0:14:17.078 the American way, but, you know, even just in the 0:14:17.078 --> 0:14:20.540 Western world, like, you know, hey, isn't life about getting, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.179 you know, things getting better, right? I, um, life is 0:14:24.179 --> 0:14:29.079 supposed to keep progressing in a better direction for me, right? I, I'm, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.840 I'm not married and then I get married. I, I'm 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.040 in an, uh, uh, I, I'm in a lousy apartment 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:35.759 and I got into a better apartment. It's like, it's 0:14:35.759 --> 0:14:37.569 like we have this idea that things are supposed to 0:14:37.569 --> 0:14:38.439 get better and that's like, 0:14:38.809 --> 0:14:41.770 And when we mix that with our Christianity, we, we 0:14:41.770 --> 0:14:44.609 miss a really fundamental, like really critical part of the 0:14:44.610 --> 0:14:47.970 Christian faith, and that is that Jesus took up his cross, 0:14:48.050 --> 0:14:51.980 like literally and physically took up his cross. And so, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.400 He then calls us to do the same thing. And so, yeah, there, 0:14:56.710 --> 0:14:59.199 you know, you can overextend that to the, the idea 0:14:59.199 --> 0:15:01.800 that like, you know, if you're ever happy, it's probably 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.949 not God because you're supposed to suffer as a Christian. 0:15:03.999 --> 0:15:07.069 I hear that too. On the other hand, you know, oh, 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:08.800 if I don't have a piece about it, then it 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.800 can't be the Lord, and the truth is, is like, 0:15:11.239 --> 0:15:13.160 And I, I used to always say this to Bible 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:14.350 college students, and I'll say it here, and I don't 0:15:14.350 --> 0:15:16.679 mean it as a joke, but dude, sometimes I don't 0:15:16.679 --> 0:15:18.639 have peace because of what I ate last night. It 0:15:18.639 --> 0:15:21.150 has nothing to do with the will of God. I 0:15:21.150 --> 0:15:23.679 didn't sleep good. I, or I don't like what it 0:15:23.679 --> 0:15:26.600 is that God's showing me. And I mean, man, I've 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.980 had to have, hard conversations. Dude, you know, the hardest 0:15:29.980 --> 0:15:31.920 conversations I've ever had in my life? When people tell 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.900 me how wrong I am, and I have to admit it. 0:15:34.650 --> 0:15:34.999 Those are. 0:15:35.134 --> 0:15:38.715 Awful. Those are, I have no peace when that happens, 0. 0:15:39.095 --> 0:15:44.134 I have zero peace. I'm angry or I'm sad that 0:15:44.134 --> 0:15:46.614 I was that way, or I'm just bummed that I'm 0:15:46.614 --> 0:15:50.175 still like a lousy person. I have no peace at all. 0:15:50.254 --> 0:15:53.254 So peace is not an indicator of the will of 0:15:53.254 --> 0:15:55.504 God at all. The only thing, and then I'd love 0:15:55.504 --> 0:15:57.494 to have Tommy, if you wanted to say something to that. 0:15:57.535 --> 0:16:00.014 I just wanted to say really quickly, that passage is 0:16:00.014 --> 0:16:01.814 a great passage, and I think Tommy did a good 0:16:01.814 --> 0:16:04.085 job of reminding the, the, the writer that. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.759 Or the questioner, that the, the two analogies that Jesus 0:16:08.759 --> 0:16:11.800 uses there are about counting cost. 0:16:12.639 --> 0:16:15.119 So, then when he says likewise, you know, that last 0:16:15.119 --> 0:16:18.389 verse or likewise, whoever you, whoever of you does not 0:16:18.389 --> 0:16:21.800 forsake all that he has cannot be my disciples. Jesus 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.239 is not saying you have to throw down your building 0:16:24.239 --> 0:16:27.079 plans or you have to go away from war. What 0:16:27.079 --> 0:16:30.319 he's saying is, if you're gonna build something, it's gonna 0:16:30.319 --> 0:16:31.160 cost something. 0:16:31.699 --> 0:16:33.340 And I, and I don't mean money. It's gonna cost 0:16:33.340 --> 0:16:35.259 you your time, it's gonna cost you your investment, it's 0:16:35.259 --> 0:16:38.059 gonna cost your, you know, hey, if you can't build 0:16:38.059 --> 0:16:40.429 two towers, you can build one. You, you, you, you 0:16:40.429 --> 0:16:41.770 don't have the money for that. You don't have the 0:16:41.770 --> 0:16:43.600 time for that, you don't have the resource for that. Uh, 0:16:43.739 --> 0:16:45.619 you don't go to war. I mean, and I think 0:16:45.619 --> 0:16:48.369 we're experiencing this right here in the United States right now. 0:16:48.530 --> 0:16:50.540 You don't go to war without a plan to get out. 0:16:51.239 --> 0:16:54.280 You don't go to war without clear understanding of what 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.559 it's going to cost and what it's going to take. And, 0:16:56.639 --> 0:16:59.699 and most of our, you know, most stories of war, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.920 and I don't mean just America, but just generally, you know, 0:17:03.079 --> 0:17:04.999 there's two world wars that we all look back and 0:17:04.999 --> 0:17:07.079 say we got into it with a clear purpose for 0:17:07.079 --> 0:17:09.119 what we were there to do, and we came out 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:10.759 and did exactly what we want to do. 0:17:11.309 --> 0:17:13.989 But Vietnam didn't have that same effect. We certainly don't 0:17:13.989 --> 0:17:16.508 see that right now with Iran. We, we have questions, right? 0:17:16.589 --> 0:17:18.389 Why are we here? What are we doing? This is 0:17:18.388 --> 0:17:21.660 not a political rant. I'm saying there's a cost, and 0:17:21.660 --> 0:17:24.109 if we didn't know what it was, we're confused. And 0:17:24.109 --> 0:17:27.020 Jesus says, if you're gonna follow me, just know that 0:17:27.020 --> 0:17:29.770 there are, it's gonna cost everything that you are and 0:17:29.770 --> 0:17:32.430 that you have. Be ready for that, so that when 0:17:32.430 --> 0:17:34.820 it does cost you, you're not like, Where's God? Where's 0:17:34.820 --> 0:17:37.599 my peace? You knew it's gonna cost me. 0:17:38.339 --> 0:17:40.979 Yeah, well, I was gonna just make a mention to, 0:17:41.129 --> 0:17:43.800 to just one of the question that you had, Brian, 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.770 you know, um, and, and when Phil was talking about the, 0:17:46.820 --> 0:17:50.089 the whole thing about peace, you know, and it's like, yeah, I, I, 0:17:50.138 --> 0:17:52.999 I totally agree it's like you don't always have this 0:17:53.180 --> 0:17:57.650 like wonderful fluffy thing of peace that that God has 0:17:57.650 --> 0:17:59.458 given to you. I, I think of the writer, I 0:17:59.459 --> 0:18:02.619 think of Jeremiah, some of the, the prophets, like, you know, when, 0:18:02.700 --> 0:18:05.138 when God had called Jeremiah to go and to be 0:18:05.138 --> 0:18:06.899 a prophet to, to Israel, I. 0:18:07.270 --> 0:18:10.388 I have a hard time finding anywhere where Jeremiah was like, 0:18:10.469 --> 0:18:12.629 oh man, this looks, I'm so excited to go and 0:18:12.629 --> 0:18:15.869 be a prophet for God. Like this was, this was horrible. 0:18:15.989 --> 0:18:18.509 You know, he had a horrible mission. It wasn't, it 0:18:18.509 --> 0:18:21.070 wasn't a fun mission that he had had called to do, 0:18:21.180 --> 0:18:23.660 but he was obedient and he was faithful to what 0:18:23.660 --> 0:18:26.989 God was calling him to do. And there was a huge, 0:18:27.070 --> 0:18:29.339 you know, I think with that with Jeremiah, you know, 0:18:29.388 --> 0:18:32.030 it's a huge cost for him, you know, um, to, 0:18:32.150 --> 0:18:34.589 to go out and to, you know, be that, that 0:18:34.589 --> 0:18:36.129 voice for, for the Lord. 0:18:37.450 --> 0:18:40.330 Where does the idea of I have a piece about 0:18:40.330 --> 0:18:42.690 it come from? Is there a Bible verse that people 0:18:42.690 --> 0:18:47.089 either read or take out of context, or, or what 0:18:47.089 --> 0:18:49.290 is it that I'm not thinking of that that people 0:18:49.290 --> 0:18:51.489 might I don't know. I don't know. The only verse 0:18:51.489 --> 0:18:52.759 I can think of is that, you know, the peace 0:18:52.759 --> 0:18:55.209 of God will pass all understanding. And so it's just 0:18:55.209 --> 0:18:58.849 like this, this confirmation like, OK, I am, this is 0:18:58.849 --> 0:19:01.159 where the Lord has me. And so. 0:19:01.469 --> 0:19:03.950 I think that that piece of God that passes all 0:19:03.950 --> 0:19:06.469 understanding is like this human understanding, you know, I think 0:19:06.469 --> 0:19:09.430 going back to even Phil's point, it's like this, there's no, 0:19:09.869 --> 0:19:13.468 there's no understanding this side of heaven of why I 0:19:13.469 --> 0:19:16.270 should be or where, you know, why this is happening, 0:19:16.379 --> 0:19:19.190 but God has given me the peace that he's this 0:19:19.190 --> 0:19:22.389 confirmation that God is leading me in, you know, in 0:19:22.388 --> 0:19:25.300 this direction, you know, to do this. I, I've, I've 0:19:25.300 --> 0:19:27.439 had conversations with, with people who. 0:19:27.759 --> 0:19:31.920 You know, they, they had made decisions, um, to, you know, 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.560 get involved and, and to do the work of the ministry, 0:19:34.839 --> 0:19:37.280 you know, and I praise God for that because God 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.959 has been using them, you know, in, in, in ministry 0:19:40.959 --> 0:19:45.320 and they're flourishing and, and, but they like before they 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.200 were called to do the work of the ministry is 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.639 like they were in places of the world where they were, 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.570 you know, making a large amount of money, you know, um, 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:55.719 annually and. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.489 Um, you know, and God gave them a, a call, 0:19:59.660 --> 0:20:01.849 you know, and they had this piece, so it's like 0:20:01.849 --> 0:20:03.609 this side of heaven is like, wait a minute, you're 0:20:03.609 --> 0:20:06.889 gonna leave, you know, uh, you know, like a million 0:20:06.888 --> 0:20:12.359 dollars a year annual job wages for to do the 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.129 work of the ministry and for many of us who 0:20:15.129 --> 0:20:17.849 are in the work of the ministry, you know that 0:20:17.849 --> 0:20:21.909 you're walking away from probably some buckets of money, right, um. 0:20:22.580 --> 0:20:25.190 And people like, I don't understand this. Like why are you, 0:20:25.270 --> 0:20:26.869 they'll get questioned. Why are you doing this? Why are 0:20:26.869 --> 0:20:30.060 you doing this? But this is God just impressed upon 0:20:30.060 --> 0:20:32.310 my heart. This is where I'm called to this is 0:20:32.310 --> 0:20:34.709 what I'm called to do. It doesn't, I know it 0:20:34.709 --> 0:20:36.830 kind of doesn't make sense this side of heaven, but 0:20:37.070 --> 0:20:41.530 I have this piece, you know, this piece that passes understanding. So, um, 0:20:41.550 --> 0:20:44.499 I think it's a confirmation, more, more sense, like, you know, 0:20:44.589 --> 0:20:46.310 just in your heart that this is what the Lord 0:20:46.310 --> 0:20:47.280 is doing. Yeah. 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.629 I was just gonna add another verse that gets thrown 0:20:50.629 --> 0:20:56.009 into this is John 14 verse, what is it 2027, 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:57.919 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you, 0:20:57.999 --> 0:21:00.440 not as the world gives, I give to you. So, 0:21:00.719 --> 0:21:01.420 so the, you know. 0:21:01.879 --> 0:21:05.379 So we're, nobody's wrong when we have the assumption that, hey, 0:21:05.450 --> 0:21:10.080 Jesus promised us peace. He did. He absolutely promised us peace. 0:21:10.310 --> 0:21:11.920 Where we get off a little bit is we think 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.160 that every circumstance, every situation, every moment, peace has to 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:17.959 look a certain way, right? It has to, I, I 0:21:17.959 --> 0:21:21.820 have to feel good about it, and that's peace. When 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.280 Jesus didn't feel good about the cross, but he certainly 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.879 was walking in the peace of, of his own peace. 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:33.820 He was in the will of God. That's where peace lives. And, um, 0:21:33.869 --> 0:21:36.599 and yet he was suffering tremendously. So it's just the 0:21:36.599 --> 0:21:41.320 misguided idea that like peace means I feel good. And, uh, golly, 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.369 it just doesn't happen that way always. So that James 0:21:44.369 --> 0:21:46.839 Brown song is not about the peace of God. I 0:21:46.839 --> 0:21:50.259 feel good. Yeah, no, it's a good song though. Good song, yeah. 0:21:50.989 --> 0:21:55.270 888-564-6173 is the number to call us today here on 0:21:55.270 --> 0:21:59.170 Pastor's Perspective. Speaking about feeling good, Charlie's got a question 0:21:59.709 --> 0:22:02.790 kind of along that line. What is it, Charlie, in 0:22:02.790 --> 0:22:04.129 El Paso, Texas? 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:07.719 Well, first of all, I'd like to thank you all 0:22:07.719 --> 0:22:10.359 for what you do, your service. I've been listening to 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:14.959 you for several years now and truly enjoy you guys. Thanks, man. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.780 Thank you. And my question is, uh, in the last 0:22:19.780 --> 0:22:23.839 few months, I've been serving in on the worship team 0:22:23.839 --> 0:22:27.439 at my church, and, uh, recently I've just been getting 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:32.919 very a big emotional, you know, charge and feeling when 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.310 I play. I some would say that's the Holy Spirit, 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.599 or is it just me getting a feeling? That's my question. Hm, 0:22:40.820 --> 0:22:41.440 what do you say, Phil? 0:22:43.550 --> 0:22:45.258 Yeah, I say, um, 0:22:46.719 --> 0:22:48.759 Gosh, it could be one or the other or it 0:22:48.759 --> 0:22:51.999 could be both, uh, boy, how does that not help 0:22:51.999 --> 0:22:54.959 you at all? I was gonna say pastor's perspective where 0:22:54.959 --> 0:22:58.899 we give you no good answer on that one. Yeah, well, 0:22:58.999 --> 0:23:01.680 you know, sometimes it can be hard to separate, and, but, 0:23:01.790 --> 0:23:04.119 but I'll try to do my best. I, and I 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.440 got to be, I used to be a worship leader, um, 0:23:06.839 --> 0:23:08.389 I mean, I think I'm still a worship leader at 0:23:08.388 --> 0:23:10.638 heart in the sense of I wanna lead people to worship, 0:23:10.719 --> 0:23:13.239 but in terms of like actually leading the, the music 0:23:13.239 --> 0:23:15.920 part of that, and you know, there were some times when, man, 0:23:15.959 --> 0:23:16.509 I just 0:23:17.089 --> 0:23:19.869 I just didn't um feel like it went very good. 0:23:20.810 --> 0:23:22.930 But then you, then you go, gosh, God is moving 0:23:22.930 --> 0:23:26.530 in people and he's still faithful, and then you go, 0:23:26.650 --> 0:23:29.009 that's the, that's the spirit, like, or, or times when 0:23:29.009 --> 0:23:31.249 I've not been doing well in life, but yet I'm 0:23:31.249 --> 0:23:34.050 just able to meet God, and it didn't feel very emotional, 0:23:34.129 --> 0:23:36.489 but I just knew I was really meeting God. Other 0:23:36.489 --> 0:23:38.379 times where I felt super emotional, 0:23:38.709 --> 0:23:40.940 And I wonder, am I just, is this just the, 0:23:41.270 --> 0:23:43.790 is this the musicality that I'm feeling? Uh, you know 0:23:43.790 --> 0:23:45.830 where it really comes down to for me, if this 0:23:45.830 --> 0:23:48.709 is moving me closer to Jesus, I'm not worried about 0:23:48.709 --> 0:23:51.839 whether it's my emotion or the Holy Spirit. The Holy 0:23:51.839 --> 0:23:55.070 Spirit's working. His, his job, the Gospel of John tells 0:23:55.070 --> 0:23:57.830 us Jesus says that the Spirit will come to lead 0:23:57.830 --> 0:24:00.209 you and to bring us closer to Jesus. So, 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.359 I wouldn't really worry about trying to separate out, is 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.440 it just emotion? Uh, you'll know if it's just emotion, 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.479 but you have no interest in Jesus, you're not even 0:24:08.479 --> 0:24:10.749 thinking about Him, you have no concerns about Him, yeah, 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.440 that's an emotionalism. But if the whole goal is to 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.919 move you towards Jesus and it is emotional, I think 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.839 the spirit's working. Mhm. Let me see what Charlie thinks 0:24:19.839 --> 0:24:20.839 before we hear from Tommy. 0:24:23.138 --> 0:24:26.780 Um, that sounds good. Thank you. All right, Tommy, well, hey, 0:24:26.859 --> 0:24:29.060 that sounds good. Maybe not, not much to add. I 0:24:29.060 --> 0:24:31.218 was just gonna basically share, share the same thing. I 0:24:31.219 --> 0:24:33.459 was like, you know, if, if the focus is more 0:24:33.459 --> 0:24:36.138 on how you feel, then, then this probably emotion, but 0:24:36.138 --> 0:24:38.219 if the folk, you know, if the focus is more 0:24:38.219 --> 0:24:41.699 like God-centered, you know, that, that is the Holy Spirit and. 0:24:42.379 --> 0:24:44.609 Yeah, it is kind of like that's a hard question 0:24:44.670 --> 0:24:46.430 to ask, you know, is it the Holy Spirit or 0:24:46.430 --> 0:24:50.570 is it me and it's moments of worship because, you know, um, I, 0:24:50.830 --> 0:24:54.429 I think I've never been a worship leader, uh, practically 0:24:54.430 --> 0:24:58.150 with music, um, and there was a mistake one time, um. 0:24:58.900 --> 0:25:01.619 My microphone was left on, you know, I was up 0:25:01.619 --> 0:25:04.969 on the platform and my microphone was left on and, uh, 0:25:04.979 --> 0:25:07.978 the worship team was singing the song and I was, man, 0:25:08.020 --> 0:25:10.939 I was getting into it, you know, um, and just 0:25:10.940 --> 0:25:13.638 really singing and, and afterwards. 0:25:14.138 --> 0:25:16.780 Someone said, hey, you know, uh, they heard the live 0:25:16.780 --> 0:25:19.180 stream and they heard me singing and I was like, 0:25:19.259 --> 0:25:21.780 oh wow, and they're like, yeah, you might wanna hear 0:25:21.780 --> 0:25:24.060 it and I was like, oh no, it, it was horrible. 0:25:24.070 --> 0:25:27.259 So but at heart like Phil at heart I'm a 0:25:27.259 --> 0:25:31.200 worship leader. I wanna lead people to worship however, um, 0:25:31.219 --> 0:25:32.239 in saying that. 0:25:33.129 --> 0:25:35.989 My, my point is, like I know that there's been, 0:25:36.489 --> 0:25:39.129 you know, the very, the day that I got saved, I, 0:25:39.209 --> 0:25:41.239 I'll never forget the day that I got saved, the, 0:25:41.489 --> 0:25:44.009 you know, the, the muse, the, the team, the worship team, 0:25:44.089 --> 0:25:46.629 the praise and worship team was leading in music, and, 0:25:47.050 --> 0:25:51.449 and that was such and again it was the Holy Spirit. 0:25:51.489 --> 0:25:53.419 It was, I know it was God, the Holy Spirit 0:25:53.420 --> 0:25:57.050 just moving, you know, in that moment of worship and 0:25:57.050 --> 0:26:01.800 praise where my heart just melted before the Lord and 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:02.689 I could not. 0:26:03.310 --> 0:26:08.228 Control this emotion of, um, you know, of of repentance 0:26:08.229 --> 0:26:12.669 and of confessing my sin and just like I I 0:26:12.670 --> 0:26:15.310 like I had this feeling. It was it really was 0:26:15.310 --> 0:26:18.989 a feeling of like just being in this holy holy 0:26:18.989 --> 0:26:21.389 presence of God and it was, you know, and it 0:26:21.388 --> 0:26:24.209 and it was good, you know, and I remember, you know, my, 0:26:24.388 --> 0:26:26.440 I was, I was weeping and crying and 0:26:26.709 --> 0:26:29.228 You know, asking God to forgive me. So, you know, 0:26:29.349 --> 0:26:32.560 God works in those ways and, and we have emotions. 0:26:32.629 --> 0:26:34.989 So I think we do have to be very careful 0:26:34.989 --> 0:26:38.149 when it comes time to like when we're in these 0:26:38.150 --> 0:26:42.149 church services because we can be so emotionally charged that 0:26:42.150 --> 0:26:44.950 the focus gets off of Christ, but. 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.910 Uh, there are times I do believe, not maybe not 0:26:47.910 --> 0:26:50.040 all the time, but when the Holy Spirit is moving 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.999 it brings, you know, the glory and the, the, the 0:26:51.999 --> 0:26:55.839 holy presence of God is, is so tangible that there 0:26:55.839 --> 0:27:00.119 is an emotion that we, that we begin to experience 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.239 at times, you know, um, and so I would just 0:27:03.239 --> 0:27:06.839 encourage people, don't chase after the emotion, um, chase after 0:27:06.839 --> 0:27:07.900 the presence of God. 0:27:08.729 --> 0:27:10.570 Phil, has your mic ever been left on when it 0:27:10.570 --> 0:27:11.330 wasn't supposed to be? 0:27:13.099 --> 0:27:15.459 Well, more times than I, than I could count, yeah. 0:27:15.739 --> 0:27:17.839 And that, that just makes you go, your sound guy 0:27:17.839 --> 0:27:19.599 does not love you, you know, that's what it comes 0:27:19.599 --> 0:27:23.320 down to. We had a long talk. Uh, we, we 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:24.599 had a long talk after that. 0:27:25.999 --> 0:27:27.540 They were having so much fun. 0:27:28.410 --> 0:27:31.609 Yeah, they probably were put it up on some Facebook 0:27:31.609 --> 0:27:33.849 page or something, but, uh, Charlie, thank you so much 0:27:33.849 --> 0:27:37.009 for calling in today on Pastor's perspective. And yeah, so much, 0:27:37.290 --> 0:27:41.479 so often we equate emotionalism. Like if you try out 0:27:41.479 --> 0:27:44.159 a new church or something and you don't get the feels, 0:27:44.410 --> 0:27:47.489 you might say, oh, that church doesn't have the Holy Spirit. 0:27:47.849 --> 0:27:51.200 There's no anointing there, not going back. There's nothing there 0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.119 for me. Didn't make me cry, didn't make me come 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.080 forward at the end of the service, nothing like that. 0:27:56.770 --> 0:27:57.369 Got to be careful. 0:27:57.660 --> 0:28:01.849 Yeah, 100%. All right, uh, Charlie, thank you for calling 0:28:01.849 --> 0:28:04.458 us from El Paso, Texas. All right, man, have a 0:28:04.459 --> 0:28:04.899 great day. 0:28:06.339 --> 0:28:09.419 Thank you. You too. All right, this is Pastor's perspective. 0:28:09.499 --> 0:28:12.540 I'm Brian Perez. Today we've got Phil Metzger, the pastor 0:28:12.540 --> 0:28:19.180 of Calvary San Diego, with Sunday service times at 10:00 a.m. OK, 0:28:19.339 --> 0:28:23.660 Sunday service time at time, yeah, it's singular, singular. We, 0:28:23.820 --> 0:28:26.179 we have one service at 1:0:00 a.m., baby, and then 0:28:26.180 --> 0:28:27.020 he's one and done. 0:28:27.749 --> 0:28:29.869 One and done. That's all I got, man. I'm not 0:28:29.869 --> 0:28:32.099 cool like them other dudes. You mean like Tommy Coda? 0:28:32.190 --> 0:28:34.469 I think Tommy's got two services, right? Yeah, well, one's 0:28:34.469 --> 0:28:36.310 in Spanish and the other one's in English. That still 0:28:36.310 --> 0:28:38.070 counts as too. Yeah, that is, that is true. Yeah, 0:28:38.180 --> 0:28:41.270 9 a.m., uh, here in Santa Ana, 9 a.m. for 0:28:41.270 --> 0:28:45.509 Spanish service and 11:00 a.m., uh, for English Spanish. No, 0:28:45.790 --> 0:28:48.670 it's not, not me. Um, we have someone else there. Yeah, 0:28:48.749 --> 0:28:50.889 I'm not, I'm not bilingual. I don't give him any credit. 0:28:51.190 --> 0:28:54.550 Don't give him credit. He's doing one service. Good point, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.080 No, I was about to be super impressed, man. I 0:28:58.080 --> 0:28:59.920 was about to say you got 5 services and you're 0:28:59.920 --> 0:29:03.160 doing 2 languages, bro. Yeah, that's, that's a double up. Yeah, yeah. 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.040 So we got, we got that going on and, and 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.599 just looking forward, you know, looking forward to what the 0:29:07.599 --> 0:29:11.280 Lord has this fall season. Can't believe August or not August, October, 0:29:11.359 --> 0:29:14.680 October 1st, it's happening, yeah, so we got a lot 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:16.800 of cool things that are coming up. So looking forward 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.709 to that. I thought today was September 31st, but no, 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:21.959 it's October, just like that. 0:29:22.599 --> 0:29:27.020 Give us a call 888-564-6173. Gonna take a quick break 0:29:27.020 --> 0:29:29.229 and then we'll be back with more of the questions 0:29:29.229 --> 0:29:32.330 that you've got for Pastors Tommy Coda and Phil Metzger 0:29:32.550 --> 0:29:37.830 right here on Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173. 0:30:18.729 --> 0:30:21.099 All right, so we've got a change of plans. I'm 0:30:21.099 --> 0:30:23.780 gonna be teaching at Hope Alive Church this Sunday, and 0:30:23.780 --> 0:30:27.259 Tommy's gonna host Pastor's Perspective now. Go. Welcome back to 0:30:27.259 --> 0:30:30.099 Pastor's Perspective to the second half of the show, and 0:30:30.099 --> 0:30:34.099 we're here with Brian Perez and Phil Metzger. He did it. Yeah, 0:30:34.180 --> 0:30:35.749 there you go, and I'm kidding, I'm not gonna teach 0:30:35.749 --> 0:30:36.139 at Hope Al Life. 0:30:36.359 --> 0:30:39.070 Church doesn't and that's all I got for pastor's perspective 0:30:39.070 --> 0:30:41.830 as a host. There it is. And you, you introduced Phil. 0:30:41.910 --> 0:30:43.670 You introduced me. I think he did pretty good. Yeah, well, 0:30:43.749 --> 0:30:45.810 you're the host with the most, bro. Oh boy, he is, 0:30:45.830 --> 0:30:49.190 he is. Thank you. You're the best. Oh, all right. 0:30:49.229 --> 0:30:50.910 And I'll bet you'd be a great Bible teacher, by 0:30:50.910 --> 0:30:52.709 the way, Brian Pres. It might be. I don't know. Yeah, 0:30:52.830 --> 0:30:54.748 I don't think it's my calling, but I'm sure I 0:30:54.749 --> 0:30:56.629 could do that's different. That's different, but I'll bet you 0:30:56.629 --> 0:30:59.670 could do a good job. Oh well, yeah, if small 0:30:59.670 --> 0:31:01.430 group or something, I might be able to do something. 0:31:01.589 --> 0:31:02.790 What about the phone number, Tommy? 0:31:03.180 --> 0:31:09.430 The phone number is 888-564-6173. Call now with your question 0:31:09.430 --> 0:31:11.889 to pastor's perspective. All right, who's next? 0:31:12.910 --> 0:31:17.310 Tom from Ontario, California, you are next with your question. Welcome, Tom. 0:31:18.999 --> 0:31:21.820 Uh, thank you very much. I appreciate you guys' time. 0:31:23.109 --> 0:31:24.119 What's going on, man? 0:31:25.550 --> 0:31:28.099 So, you know, I'm just trying to, to get the 0:31:28.099 --> 0:31:33.989 perspective between uh Christians and Catholics. It seems like there's 0:31:33.989 --> 0:31:37.790 uh some volatile uh questions and things. So the way 0:31:37.790 --> 0:31:40.030 they think. I had one person, how can you be 0:31:40.030 --> 0:31:40.810 a Christian if 0:31:41.530 --> 0:31:44.180 The president and some of these other Christians are, are 0:31:44.180 --> 0:31:47.580 willing to go ahead and uh uh deport and do 0:31:47.580 --> 0:31:51.339 all these other negative things. And I, I just don't 0:31:51.339 --> 0:31:51.609 understand it. 0:31:51.660 --> 0:31:53.479 I just wanted to get you guys' a point of view. 0:31:55.839 --> 0:31:58.190 I'm, I'm trying to, uh, correlate the two. So what 0:31:58.190 --> 0:31:59.400 does that have to do with 0:32:00.729 --> 0:32:02.139 So what side are you on? I'm trying to figure 0:32:02.139 --> 0:32:02.509 that out. 0:32:03.550 --> 0:32:06.420 Yeah, well, I, I'm, I'm a Christian, and I, you know, 0:32:06.509 --> 0:32:09.739 I don't get mad at these, at the, the Catholics, 0:32:09.749 --> 0:32:12.869 the way they're thinking, but I'm just wondering, why is 0:32:12.869 --> 0:32:17.310 it that uh they're, they're kind of like uh slamming the, 0:32:17.389 --> 0:32:21.690 the Christianity and the Christians itself, the difference between uh 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.290 Catholics and, and Christians itself. I just want to get 0:32:24.290 --> 0:32:25.109 you guys' point of view. 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:30.869 OK, because one side is taking more of a pro-immigrant 0:32:31.330 --> 0:32:33.690 stance as opposed to the other side. Is that what 0:32:33.690 --> 0:32:37.450 you mean? OK, you wanna start, Phil? 0:32:38.369 --> 0:32:40.369 Sure, um, 0:32:41.570 --> 0:32:45.070 Tom, I, I, this is a bit tough because I, I, 0:32:45.249 --> 0:32:47.989 I'm still, I thank you, Brian, for getting some clarity, 0:32:48.050 --> 0:32:49.849 but I think we're all a little bit like, I 0:32:49.849 --> 0:32:51.889 don't get the immigration thing. I'm just gonna say that I, 0:32:51.969 --> 0:32:53.609 I'm not, I don't know. Well, we can go back 0:32:53.609 --> 0:32:56.009 to Tom just to get some more clarification. Yeah, that 0:32:56.009 --> 0:32:58.580 would be great. Tom, can you explain what you mean 0:32:58.580 --> 0:33:01.690 when you say this group thinks this about immigration? What 0:33:01.690 --> 0:33:02.509 are we talking about? 0:33:04.430 --> 0:33:07.988 Well, I'll, I'll, I'll give you an example. Um, again, 0:33:08.070 --> 0:33:10.270 I had a friend of mine tell me, you're, you're 0:33:10.270 --> 0:33:15.430 a Christian, yet your, uh, religion, and the way he 0:33:15.430 --> 0:33:17.690 said it, your religion is, uh, 0:33:18.599 --> 0:33:22.719 Supporting uh the people that are being deported, supporting the 0:33:22.719 --> 0:33:25.020 people that are getting beat up and things like that. 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:27.629 And I, I didn't feel good about that. I said, no, 0:33:27.759 --> 0:33:29.759 I don't know where you're coming from with that. uh, 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:34.830 and he just said, well, you know, Catholics are, are supporting, uh, 0:33:34.839 --> 0:33:36.800 you know, the, the people that want to be here 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.160 and that should be here and so on and so forth. 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.599 So that just kind of bothered me how, how that 0:33:41.599 --> 0:33:42.040 came out. 0:33:43.139 --> 0:33:47.209 All right, that, that helps. Uh, yeah, I think that helped, um, 0:33:47.580 --> 0:33:49.979 because the, the question of like what's the difference between 0:33:49.979 --> 0:33:53.900 Catholics and Christians, uh, is very different with, with what 0:33:53.900 --> 0:33:56.820 you're talking about. I, I would maybe say that the 0:33:56.820 --> 0:34:00.330 person who you're speaking with doesn't, maybe they're born Catholic, 0:34:00.410 --> 0:34:02.940 but maybe they're not like practicing, um. 0:34:04.009 --> 0:34:09.999 Christianity does not support any one particular political party. That's not, 0:34:10.290 --> 0:34:14.560 Christianity has existed far before any of these political parties, before, uh, 0:34:14.570 --> 0:34:18.640 any of these systems. So, you can't associate it with that. Now, 0:34:18.649 --> 0:34:21.169 what you can do is you can say, OK, what, 0:34:21.530 --> 0:34:25.339 what thing, what party, what position is probably the best 0:34:25.340 --> 0:34:26.989 way to say that. What position. 0:34:27.579 --> 0:34:30.579 is most aligned to my Christian faith. It's the other 0:34:30.579 --> 0:34:33.138 way around, right? So you're like, what, what position is 0:34:33.138 --> 0:34:36.978 most aligned to my Christianity? So if somebody's saying to you, hey, 0:34:37.099 --> 0:34:40.769 you Christians are against immigration and you're against, I, I 0:34:40.768 --> 0:34:44.339 would say they're mixing up um Americanism with the gospel. 0:34:44.418 --> 0:34:46.218 Those two things are not meant to be in the 0:34:46.218 --> 0:34:50.498 same category. There's many Christians who have very different views. 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.560 Than that one that was described by your friend. That's 0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.520 not a difference between Catholic or Christian at all. That's 0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:02.439 a difference between America as a, as a, uh, a 0:35:02.439 --> 0:35:07.239 version of religion versus like actual Christianity. And there's plenty 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.399 of actual Christians who are very supportive of immigration and 0:35:11.399 --> 0:35:13.659 immigrants and the, and people who are suffering. 0:35:13.979 --> 0:35:16.819 And there's also very many born again Christians who say, no, 0:35:16.939 --> 0:35:20.259 we really think this is important. My point is, that's 0:35:20.259 --> 0:35:23.540 not a defining line of Christianity at all. That's what 0:35:23.540 --> 0:35:26.540 the media is pushing, and that's a kind of a 0:35:26.540 --> 0:35:31.100 Christian nationalistic view, that's not Christianity. Tommy, yeah, no, I 0:35:31.100 --> 0:35:32.819 was gonna say the same thing as far as like 0:35:32.820 --> 0:35:35.379 this kind of this point of view, um. 0:35:35.899 --> 0:35:39.939 You know, getting to be uh very active, uh, and 0:35:39.939 --> 0:35:42.779 doing ministry in the city of Santa Ana, there's a, 0:35:42.899 --> 0:35:47.050 there is a large community of Catholicism, you know, it's 0:35:47.050 --> 0:35:48.169 very dominant and 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.989 Um, and I, I've come across the exact same thing, Tom, where, where, uh, 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.640 they would say, well, Christians, you know, they support, you know, 0:35:56.959 --> 0:36:00.520 Christians are the ones that support ICEE and Catholics don't 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.800 support ICE. I'm like, well, where is that in the Bible, 0:36:03.159 --> 0:36:05.759 you know, and this is, there's nothing in the Bible 0:36:05.759 --> 0:36:09.040 biblically that, that says that, you know, and, and so 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.380 the whole thing with, with Christianity, I, I think. 0:36:11.748 --> 0:36:14.140 You know, the, the biggest thing is, is, uh, for 0:36:14.140 --> 0:36:16.749 us as Christians, you know, at least for here at 0:36:16.748 --> 0:36:19.310 Hope of Life Church, you know, our, our, our desire 0:36:19.310 --> 0:36:23.169 is to, um, to live our life, you know, according 0:36:23.169 --> 0:36:25.969 to what the, what the Bible says, and, and to teach, 0:36:26.390 --> 0:36:29.850 you know, um, to teach the word of God systematically 0:36:29.850 --> 0:36:33.630 and get to know who Jesus is and who, who 0:36:33.630 --> 0:36:36.140 God is through, through the Bible and through the teaching 0:36:36.140 --> 0:36:38.029 of the word of God and to live that out. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.439 You know, and so I think sometimes when you look 0:36:40.439 --> 0:36:44.880 at even some biblical principles, you know, there's gonna be 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.159 a lot of times where there's, you know, um, maybe some, 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.999 some progressive ideas and then very conservative ideas, you know, 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.320 so you can't, and so the Bible kind of like 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:59.040 talks to both of these points, but it is not 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:03.678 saying or it doesn't lead us to one political ideology 0:37:03.679 --> 0:37:06.280 or the next, and it, and it, it should not either. 0:37:07.009 --> 0:37:10.649 Tom, thanks for your question today here on Pastor's Perspective 0:37:10.649 --> 0:37:15.850 at 888-564-6173. Got about 20 minutes left, so you can 0:37:15.850 --> 0:37:19.799 still call in. Let's talk to Joan in Aliso Viejo, 0:37:19.969 --> 0:37:21.620 listening to K Wave. Hello, Joan. 0:37:22.498 --> 0:37:26.959 Oh thank you. Um, my question is about tithing. I, 0:37:27.100 --> 0:37:31.999 I was listening recently to you and I heard someone, um, 0:37:33.140 --> 0:37:35.540 say that tithing is not. 0:37:36.219 --> 0:37:39.929 In the New Testament it's not required of a person 0:37:39.949 --> 0:37:44.770 in the New Testament, and I, I've heard conflicting things 0:37:44.770 --> 0:37:51.810 about tithing, but in Matthew 20:23, um, where Jesus talks about, 0:37:52.030 --> 0:37:55.469 you know, you strain out a net gnat and let 0:37:55.469 --> 0:37:59.989 a camel pass through, and he's saying, um, you tithe 0:37:59.989 --> 0:38:02.359 your mint and cumin and dill. 0:38:02.870 --> 0:38:05.140 You know, you do all these things meticulously, but you've 0:38:05.140 --> 0:38:08.498 neglected justice and mercy and 0:38:09.449 --> 0:38:11.498 Something else because I'm not reading it faithfulness. 0:38:12.899 --> 0:38:18.959 Faithfulness. Yes, OK, and you ought to have done. 0:38:20.130 --> 0:38:24.100 You, you ought to have done the weightier ones that 0:38:24.100 --> 0:38:29.080 he's saying, the, the latter and not neglected the former. 0:38:29.790 --> 0:38:33.509 And when he says, and, and not neglect the former, 0:38:33.669 --> 0:38:35.749 which was the tithing of the mint and the dill 0:38:35.748 --> 0:38:39.380 and the cumin tithing, so I feel like that is 0:38:39.380 --> 0:38:45.270 a New Testament verse where Jesus affirms tithing, even though, 0:38:45.429 --> 0:38:48.248 even though the verse is actually, you know, really about 0:38:48.630 --> 0:38:54.669 something else weightier than what I'm pointing it I feel 0:38:54.669 --> 0:38:57.169 like that is a New Testament verse. 0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.998 That affirms tithing, and I just wondered what the pastor 0:39:00.998 --> 0:39:02.359 say about tithing. 0:39:02.479 --> 0:39:02.678 I 0:39:02.679 --> 0:39:05.439 see what you're saying because, uh, it's not saying you 0:39:05.439 --> 0:39:07.880 don't have to tithe anymore. That particular verse isn't saying 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.350 you don't have to tithe anymore. It's in fact saying 0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:11.629 don't neglect. 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:13.679 Don't neglect it, yeah, neglect 0:39:13.679 --> 0:39:13.999 it. 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.799 So Tommy, what say you? Yeah, well, here what Jesus 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.360 is doing is, is he's really, he's addressing the Pharisees 0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:24.479 and the scribes and, and, um, and the Pharisees, you know, 0:39:24.590 --> 0:39:26.120 these religious leaders, they were. 0:39:26.649 --> 0:39:30.489 They were out to get Jesus, you know, and they weren't, 0:39:30.610 --> 0:39:33.610 they weren't friends of Jesus at all and, and so 0:39:33.610 --> 0:39:36.529 what Jesus is doing, he's pointing out a practice that 0:39:36.530 --> 0:39:39.689 they have been doing. It wasn't something that they just 0:39:39.689 --> 0:39:43.069 started doing, but something that they have just started, uh, 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:44.570 that they have been doing, excuse me. 0:39:44.810 --> 0:39:47.880 You know, and, and so he's just pointing out their 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.729 flaws of like, hey, you, you, you're, you're straining all 0:39:50.729 --> 0:39:54.459 these things out, but you're forgetting the most important thing 0:39:54.459 --> 0:39:57.130 and really what Jesus is pointing out is like the 0:39:57.130 --> 0:40:00.489 intention of the heart, you know, the, the, the justice 0:40:00.489 --> 0:40:03.050 and the faithfulness and, and what was, uh, what was 0:40:03.050 --> 0:40:05.209 the other thing there, um, mercy. 0:40:05.449 --> 0:40:08.428 You know, so he's, what that's what Jesus is pointing out. 0:40:08.449 --> 0:40:10.330 And so when I, I think when we look into 0:40:10.330 --> 0:40:13.089 the New Testament because Jesus is a fulfillment of the 0:40:13.090 --> 0:40:18.330 law and, and giving, you know, the, the tithe, um, was, 0:40:18.449 --> 0:40:21.419 was something, you know, according to the law, and, and 0:40:21.419 --> 0:40:24.330 Jesus fulfilling that law, and I think, you know, a better, 0:40:24.409 --> 0:40:27.129 a really good text that kind of highlights this is 0:40:27.130 --> 0:40:30.800 the apostle Paul in, in 2 Corinthians and, and it's 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:32.850 there in chapter number 9. 0:40:33.570 --> 0:40:36.270 And he says each one must give as he has 0:40:36.270 --> 0:40:38.870 decided in his heart again, so I think there's, there's 0:40:38.870 --> 0:40:41.570 the issue like it's, it's, it's what's coming from the heart, 0:40:42.270 --> 0:40:46.270 not reluctant to give not reluctantly or under compulsion for 0:40:46.270 --> 0:40:51.270 God loves a cheerful giver and, and so really what 0:40:51.270 --> 0:40:54.310 even with Jesus and, and, and Matthew and chapter number 0:40:54.310 --> 0:40:57.669 23 and, and other passages that we see, you know, here. 0:40:57.745 --> 0:41:01.064 Like in in 2 Corinthians chapter number 9, the, the 0:41:01.064 --> 0:41:03.424 issue is the heart, you know, what are we giving 0:41:03.425 --> 0:41:05.705 from the heart? And I think there's even another place 0:41:05.705 --> 0:41:09.705 where Jesus is pointing out, um, the, the, the widow, 0:41:09.864 --> 0:41:12.675 you know, when they're all going and they're giving their tithe, 0:41:12.745 --> 0:41:13.245 they're giving. 0:41:13.820 --> 0:41:17.830 There and everyone is giving from their abundance, you know, 0:41:17.969 --> 0:41:21.820 and Jesus points out the one widow who goes with 0:41:21.820 --> 0:41:24.339 her little mite, you know, it's like her, her little 0:41:24.340 --> 0:41:27.209 nickel that she has, you know, that's all she's got, 0:41:27.219 --> 0:41:30.419 and she gives, and Jesus brings attention to her, to 0:41:30.419 --> 0:41:34.020 the disciples, you know, and says she gave all that 0:41:34.020 --> 0:41:37.120 she had, like she gave sacrifice, she gave from her heart, 0:41:37.620 --> 0:41:40.379 you know, and so, and that's the point that Jesus 0:41:40.380 --> 0:41:42.279 is making there, I believe. 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:44.759 What do you think, Joan, before we go to Phil? 0:41:46.429 --> 0:41:50.989 Um, I'm, I'm rapidly listening and I appreciate the answers. 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:53.158 OK, Phil, 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.839 Well, I was rapidly listening too. It's a great answer. Um, 0:41:56.919 --> 0:41:59.199 there's a, there's another verse I'd give to you, Joan. I, 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.600 I think, by the way, let me clarify, I, I 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:05.360 do believe the New Testament teaches the importance of generosity 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.239 and giving. When we try to connect that to a 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:12.320 mandated 10% tithing, as in the Old Testament, it gets 0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.399 a little trickier. There's some pastors who do believe that 0:42:14.409 --> 0:42:17.360 that's still the case. I am one who believes that 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.259 there's nothing wrong with, um, 0:42:19.998 --> 0:42:22.899 Giving people like a sense of what that could look like. So, 0:42:22.959 --> 0:42:25.340 to say, hey, you know, and the idea of tithe 0:42:25.340 --> 0:42:28.820 is just means 10th. It means literally means a 10th. 0:42:29.199 --> 0:42:32.810 And so, the New Testament doesn't teach to give a 10th, 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:34.840 it actually says that we should be, as, as Tommy 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.800 pointed out, cheerful givers. We should be, uh, giving in proportion. 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:42.549 1 Corinthians 16:2, uh, we should be storing up and 0:42:42.550 --> 0:42:44.880 we should be giving. There should be a consistency to 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.040 our giving. We're not just like, um, 0:42:47.590 --> 0:42:50.459 Emotional givers as New Testament Christians that are like, oh 0:42:50.459 --> 0:42:52.669 my gosh, I, I, I haven't given in a while 0:42:52.669 --> 0:42:54.149 and I need to give. It's like, no, we wanna 0:42:54.149 --> 0:42:57.790 be consistent, we wanna be thoughtful, um, we should be 0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:02.350 generous in our giving, uh, but we don't have a 0:43:02.350 --> 0:43:04.179 tax that we're paying like the Jews did in the 0:43:04.179 --> 0:43:06.669 Old Testament. We don't have a temple that we're keeping 0:43:06.669 --> 0:43:09.709 up as a part of our national system. Um, we're 0:43:09.709 --> 0:43:13.050 already paying that to the IRS. That's not required by God, 0:43:13.390 --> 0:43:17.229 but what is, um, expected of us is just a, a, a, a. 0:43:18.199 --> 0:43:19.498 Cheerful generosity. 0:43:20.689 --> 0:43:23.850 Joan, thanks for your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective. 0:43:23.929 --> 0:43:27.209 She wanted to know about Matthew 23, and here's Tanner 0:43:27.209 --> 0:43:30.810 with a question on the following page. Matthew 24. Go ahead, Tanner, 0:43:31.020 --> 0:43:32.749 and Temecula, thanks for calling. 0:43:34.340 --> 0:43:35.509 Hi, can you hear me? Yeah. 0:43:37.270 --> 0:43:40.939 Awesome awesome. So yeah, my question is about, uh, it's 0:43:40.939 --> 0:43:46.850 an eschatology question preacher rapture pusher. So Matthew 24:29 says 0:43:46.850 --> 0:43:50.739 after the tribulation, after the great tribulation, then you'll see 0:43:51.340 --> 0:43:54.120 kind of, you know, coming on the clouds of glory, um, 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.380 you know, so after the tribulation, but then the parallel. 0:43:57.709 --> 0:44:03.370 Passage to to Matthew 24 would be the Mark 13, same, 0:44:03.630 --> 0:44:06.550 same account. The only difference in Mark in verse 37, 0:44:06.590 --> 0:44:11.489 the little detail is he says in verse 37 in this, 0:44:11.949 --> 0:44:16.029 I say to all, which, you know, I'm a Calvary 0:44:16.030 --> 0:44:18.929 Chapel guy, and in class we were always taught that 0:44:18.929 --> 0:44:22.310 Matthew 24 was only applicable to the Jews and so 0:44:22.729 --> 0:44:24.350 with the Mark 13, you know. 0:44:25.350 --> 0:44:28.090 1337, it's saying, I say to all. 0:44:28.870 --> 0:44:32.509 So the question is based off those two scriptures in 0:44:32.509 --> 0:44:36.070 Matthew it's saying after the tribulation Jesus, or, you know, 0:44:36.149 --> 0:44:38.770 namely the rapture is happening after the tribulation. 0:44:39.810 --> 0:44:44.739 And then Mark parallel passage, everything's the same just besides 0:44:44.739 --> 0:44:48.379 the detail in verse 37 and this I say to all, 0:44:48.498 --> 0:44:50.999 so maybe not just saying it to the Jews. So 0:44:51.659 --> 0:44:53.419 that's my question. How do, how do we clear that up? 0:44:53.489 --> 0:44:55.380 Thank you. All right, Phil. 0:44:56.870 --> 0:44:59.550 Uh, good job, Tanner. We, you, you got that question 0:44:59.550 --> 0:45:02.429 out really well, really clear. Um, I would, well, I, I, 0:45:02.540 --> 0:45:04.749 first I would caution, I love what you said there 0:45:04.748 --> 0:45:06.259 as a Calvary guy, you know, you're like, when I 0:45:06.259 --> 0:45:08.380 hear the word all, we know it means all, but actually, 0:45:08.669 --> 0:45:10.630 we never know if it always means all. We gotta, 0:45:10.709 --> 0:45:14.749 we gotta take its context. Like, for instance, in this context, when, when, 0:45:14.830 --> 0:45:16.590 when Jesus says, and what I say to you, I 0:45:16.590 --> 0:45:19.069 say to all, you, you can't say that that means 0:45:19.070 --> 0:45:21.429 to all of all generations of all times. 0:45:21.909 --> 0:45:25.830 It's a little bit more uh expressive of, hey, what 0:45:25.830 --> 0:45:27.070 I'm saying to those of you in front of me, 0:45:27.149 --> 0:45:31.429 I'm saying to everybody right now, that doesn't necessarily immediately 0:45:31.429 --> 0:45:34.429 mean of every generation of every time. That's the first thing. 0:45:34.509 --> 0:45:36.830 The second thing I would say, you know, it. 0:45:37.790 --> 0:45:40.909 I mean, listen, you, you're not gonna, um, Tommy and 0:45:40.909 --> 0:45:43.390 I might be, uh, different, and I don't mean him 0:45:43.390 --> 0:45:45.399 and I different, but like we might have a softer 0:45:45.399 --> 0:45:49.100 approach than others would have, where we recognize, and I think, 0:45:49.149 --> 0:45:52.909 you know, Matthew's Gospel, Mark's Gospel, uh, the scriptures can 0:45:52.909 --> 0:45:55.070 give you a sense in which like, for some of us, 0:45:55.110 --> 0:45:59.469 we're like, yeah, we see pretty thoroughly a pre-tribulation. 0:45:59.959 --> 0:46:02.879 rapture of the church. Others read some of these, and 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.080 there's verses like this, and you go, oh, that seems 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:09.560 to point more towards maybe a post-tribulational perspective. And right away, 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:11.199 and I, I think I speak for you, Tommy, when 0:46:11.199 --> 0:46:12.909 I say this, though, you can correct me if I'm, 0:46:12.998 --> 0:46:15.640 if I'm not, we're not interested in a fight with 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.919 nobody over those things. Uh, we love a good debate 0:46:18.919 --> 0:46:21.790 and conversation on it because it's fun and because it, 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:22.319 it stirs. 0:46:22.498 --> 0:46:25.669 Us on to good works, uh, in Christ, but in 0:46:25.669 --> 0:46:29.189 terms of like, oh, you, that's wrong, you're unbiblical, we 0:46:29.189 --> 0:46:31.870 just don't take that approach. We, we think that there's 0:46:31.870 --> 0:46:34.449 really godly people who have a very different view on 0:46:35.030 --> 0:46:37.779 eschatology than we do. Now, if I could say one 0:46:37.780 --> 0:46:39.469 more thing and then tell me, you can tell me, no, 0:46:39.550 --> 0:46:44.550 I disagree and, uh, I hate post-ribbers. No, um, just kidding. Uh, 0:46:45.669 --> 0:46:48.270 I would also say that, um, the passage just before 0:46:48.270 --> 0:46:50.509 Jesus says, and what I say to you, I say 0:46:50.509 --> 0:46:51.070 to all. 0:46:52.229 --> 0:46:54.189 he's telling us that nobody knows the day or the hour. 0:46:55.050 --> 0:46:56.810 Some of the problem that we have when we try 0:46:56.810 --> 0:47:00.350 to read eschatological passages is we try to timeline everything 0:47:00.770 --> 0:47:03.169 from the time that Jesus starts talking to the very 0:47:03.169 --> 0:47:06.399 end of it, we assume it all follows this perfect timeline. 0:47:06.729 --> 0:47:08.149 And the truth of the matter, it's not how they, 0:47:08.290 --> 0:47:10.790 that's not how they spoke back then. They weren't thinking 0:47:10.790 --> 0:47:13.189 in movie scripts like we do today. 0:47:13.689 --> 0:47:15.819 You start something and then the end is the end. 0:47:16.060 --> 0:47:18.899 Sometimes it was more circular, a little bit more topical, 0:47:18.939 --> 0:47:23.419 a little bit more, uh, thematical, and so, um, we 0:47:23.419 --> 0:47:25.290 have to be careful when we try to pin the 0:47:25.290 --> 0:47:28.330 words of Jesus here as he started at this point 0:47:28.330 --> 0:47:29.540 and then he ended here, and look at what he 0:47:29.540 --> 0:47:34.219 says at the end, therefore it must mean this particular view. So, OK, Tommy, 0:47:34.459 --> 0:47:37.300 correct it all, dude, get it. No, that was, that 0:47:37.300 --> 0:47:39.699 was great, yes, and, and I think I love the 0:47:39.699 --> 0:47:42.399 fact that you brought up, you know, just the, the different. 0:47:42.890 --> 0:47:45.779 Uh, positions when it comes to eschatology, you know, whether 0:47:45.780 --> 0:47:49.860 it be pre-tribulation, a mid-tribulation, post-tribulation, and I, I believe, 0:47:49.939 --> 0:47:52.659 you know, even in this, this passage in, in Matthew 0:47:52.659 --> 0:47:56.339 chapter number 24 there verse 29, that that's a, that's 0:47:56.340 --> 0:47:59.219 a passage that, that many kind of, that's where they 0:47:59.219 --> 0:48:01.739 camp or, or they rest, you know, in, in regards 0:48:01.739 --> 0:48:03.219 to like a post-tribulation. 0:48:03.620 --> 0:48:05.850 Um, and that's, and that is fine because there's a 0:48:05.850 --> 0:48:09.370 lot of great pastors and, and Bible teachers that, that, 0:48:09.489 --> 0:48:14.729 you know, that's their position. However, these aren't things to where, um, we, 0:48:14.810 --> 0:48:18.249 we really should find a divide over, you know, and 0:48:18.248 --> 0:48:21.610 I think there's gonna be, um, a moment, you know, 0:48:21.729 --> 0:48:24.890 when we are all one day we will all be 0:48:24.890 --> 0:48:27.790 there in heaven together and we're gonna understand, you know, 0:48:27.929 --> 0:48:31.408 we're gonna all we have all knowledge and we'll, we'll 0:48:31.409 --> 0:48:32.350 know like, OK. 0:48:32.709 --> 0:48:34.748 And I think at that moment it won't even matter. 0:48:34.850 --> 0:48:38.630 It's like we made it. We're here, you know. So yeah, anyways, yeah, 0:48:38.780 --> 0:48:41.549 that was good. Loved it, Phil. Yes, Phil, I need 0:48:41.550 --> 0:48:45.070 you to clarify the all means all comment because I 0:48:45.070 --> 0:48:47.110 think half the audience listening was like, what do you 0:48:47.110 --> 0:48:49.549 mean all doesn't always mean all? because I was taught 0:48:49.550 --> 0:48:52.390 that too, right? OK. What I, what I meant is 0:48:52.390 --> 0:48:54.790 it certainly means all, but like when we, when we 0:48:54.790 --> 0:48:56.570 take the word all like here. 0:48:57.149 --> 0:48:59.310 You, you have to have the context of what Jesus 0:48:59.310 --> 0:49:03.189 saying all of all the people in that place, in 0:49:03.189 --> 0:49:06.140 that area, in that time, is he saying it's for 0:49:06.140 --> 0:49:09.189 all generations? Do we have the clarity to prove that 0:49:09.189 --> 0:49:11.739 just because he used the word all, that it means, hey, 0:49:11.870 --> 0:49:16.060 Tommy Code, that means you right here, you know, now, 0:49:16.229 --> 0:49:18.310 do I believe that the Bible, the New Testament calls 0:49:18.310 --> 0:49:19.509 us to watch, to be. 0:49:19.736 --> 0:49:23.415 Ready to be looking, to be anticipating, but there's just 0:49:23.415 --> 0:49:25.325 times in the New Testament you have to understand, and 0:49:25.325 --> 0:49:27.654 in the Old Testament where it'll say the word all 0:49:27.655 --> 0:49:31.545 actually means all for all those people right there. It's not, 0:49:31.575 --> 0:49:33.976 it's not an all for all. It's like the context 0:49:33.976 --> 0:49:37.176 will really tell you, right? Exactly. But are we called 0:49:37.176 --> 0:49:40.726 to watch as God's people? Absolutely. And there's multiple passages 0:49:40.726 --> 0:49:41.976 that tell us that, not just right there. 0:49:42.442 --> 0:49:46.761 There's multiple passages that say, be ready, be watchful, because, 0:49:46.882 --> 0:49:49.241 you know, it's about time. So, when I, I, I 0:49:49.241 --> 0:49:51.321 guess I'm, I, I hope I don't confuse people when 0:49:51.322 --> 0:49:54.701 I say that all means all, but the question always is, is, 0:49:54.801 --> 0:49:58.681 who is the all that they're talking about? For God 0:49:58.681 --> 0:50:01.281 so loved the world is a very clear one. Now 0:50:01.281 --> 0:50:04.521 we know we're talking about all people of all time. 0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:07.748 All of you listen to me right now. Well, I 0:50:07.748 --> 0:50:10.479 can't mean the whole world because not everybody's listening to K-wave. 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.749 They should be, but not all people are listening to. 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:15.120 But I, when I say that at church, I need 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:16.799 all of you to hear me right now. I don't 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.520 mean all people of all time. I mean everybody that's 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:22.580 in that room at that moment. Does that make sense? Yeah. 0:50:23.130 --> 0:50:26.759 All right, Tanner, thanks for your phone call. Mario in 0:50:26.759 --> 0:50:31.879 Los Angeles. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. Thanks for calling 888-564-6173. 0:50:33.998 --> 0:50:35.310 Hello. Hi, Mario. 0:50:36.748 --> 0:50:39.989 I, am I life? Yeah, what's your question, man? All 0:50:39.989 --> 0:50:40.610 the way live. 0:50:42.169 --> 0:50:46.209 So, uh, I generally flick through your show just now 0:50:46.209 --> 0:50:48.850 for the first time ever and been listening for like 0:50:48.850 --> 0:50:51.279 the last hour. So how'd you find out about it? 0:50:51.300 --> 0:50:54.810 It's very interesting. You were just flipping around on the radio. No, just, no, 0:50:54.969 --> 0:50:59.749 just by chance, um, it, um, and I had a question. 0:51:00.870 --> 0:51:05.770 About Jesus. Um, so, me, myself, I wouldn't say I'm 0:51:05.770 --> 0:51:10.130 the most devoted Christian or serious Christian throughout my life. Um, 0:51:10.209 --> 0:51:11.169 I'm 28 now. 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:14.620 And I've been going through a lot in my life, 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:19.419 a lot of hardships, personal stuff, nothing too crazy. I, 0:51:19.479 --> 0:51:20.439 I say I'm blessed. 0:51:21.140 --> 0:51:23.459 I do believe in God. I do feel like he 0:51:23.459 --> 0:51:27.020 is fair, but he does put us through a lot. 0:51:27.820 --> 0:51:31.270 And I'm trying to lean towards a religion. I'm pretty 0:51:31.270 --> 0:51:35.929 open to things. I even explored Islam a little bit, 0:51:36.830 --> 0:51:39.340 trying to like find out about it and what it's about. 0:51:39.669 --> 0:51:39.908 I'm 0:51:39.909 --> 0:51:40.080 way 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:42.270 more catered towards Christianity, Jesus. 0:51:42.350 --> 0:51:43.509 I'm more fond of it, more 0:51:43.509 --> 0:51:44.390 familiar with it. 0:51:45.140 --> 0:51:46.248 My main question, uh, 0:51:46.259 --> 0:51:46.449 my 0:51:46.449 --> 0:51:46.820 main 0:51:46.820 --> 0:51:47.640 issue I have 0:51:48.100 --> 0:51:49.498 is with Jesus. 0:51:49.580 --> 0:51:49.979 I love 0:51:49.979 --> 0:51:52.890 Jesus, the idea of him, all the stories in the Bible, 0:51:53.259 --> 0:51:54.080 everything about him 0:51:54.259 --> 0:51:54.959 seems great, 0:51:55.580 --> 0:51:55.998 but 0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:57.919 The credibility is where I 0:51:57.919 --> 0:51:58.399 struggle 0:51:58.399 --> 0:52:01.640 with, uh, was he really like 0:52:02.509 --> 0:52:03.090 Uh, 0:52:03.630 --> 0:52:07.729 beyond human entity that God sent, 0:52:08.270 --> 0:52:08.669 was he 0:52:08.669 --> 0:52:10.989 just a very illuminated human? 0:52:11.070 --> 0:52:13.159 I like to believe that disciples and all those people 0:52:13.159 --> 0:52:15.459 were just very smart people that people were like, damn, 0:52:15.810 --> 0:52:17.709 they can't, where else are they getting all this? 0:52:18.630 --> 0:52:21.310 Enlightenment from, it has to be from God. Was Jesus 0:52:21.310 --> 0:52:25.989 just a human who was extremely enlightened and people just 0:52:25.989 --> 0:52:28.609 made a big fuss about, or was he really God 0:52:29.070 --> 0:52:31.749 coming in the shape of, you know, in some type 0:52:31.748 --> 0:52:35.229 of physical form here, and was that really just the 0:52:35.229 --> 0:52:37.949 one time? Like why did he only come once in 0:52:37.949 --> 0:52:41.350 all of history and he actually did like God, cause 0:52:41.350 --> 0:52:43.908 we're always waiting for God, some type of sign, some 0:52:43.909 --> 0:52:45.489 type of huge thing to event. 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:48.600 And um I also, that's also what it makes me 0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:50.959 think that's why is there so many religions? Why doesn't 0:52:50.959 --> 0:52:54.919 everyone follow Jesus? If he was actually the one sent 0:52:54.919 --> 0:53:00.659 by God with superhuman powers, god-like powers, he was God personified. 0:53:00.998 --> 0:53:03.759 He wasn't a human, really. He was more than that. 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:07.149 But was he really? Why was it that just then, 0:53:07.159 --> 0:53:08.919 in that specific point in time, 0:53:09.550 --> 0:53:11.719 OK, so Mario, I have to interrupt you only because 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.419 the show's almost over and we're gonna try to answer 0:53:14.419 --> 0:53:16.870 as many of those questions as we can in the 0:53:16.870 --> 0:53:19.759 next 2.5 minutes. And if you still have questions, please 0:53:19.759 --> 0:53:22.070 call us back tomorrow. We'll be here between 3 and 4. 0:53:22.399 --> 0:53:24.239 Call closer to the beginning of the show and, and 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.640 we'll put you on sooner. But Tommy, we'll start with you. 0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:29.689 You know, Mario, uh, first of all, man, great, great question, 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:31.718 and I just wanna say, man, I, I think the 0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.600 fact that one of the biggest things is that you 0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:38.709 just scrolling or just happened to come across this is 0:53:38.709 --> 0:53:41.840 the Lord, like God is leading you, you know, here 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.479 to this, to this, uh, radio station right now to, 0:53:44.739 --> 0:53:46.949 to ask this kind of a question, and I would say, 0:53:47.199 --> 0:53:49.399 you know, to answer your question as far as, you know, God, 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:52.439 you know, Jesus being human and, and God and deity, yes, 0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:54.320 like he was fully human. 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.280 And fully God that this, this is what the Bible 0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:02.159 teaches us, you know, and he was here and he did, 0:54:02.270 --> 0:54:05.998 you know, have a miraculous birth that was prophesized, you know, 0:54:06.090 --> 0:54:08.040 that he would come in, he would be born of 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:11.759 a virgin, and that prophecy was fulfilled. It was, you know, 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:14.020 it was fulfilled that for him to live a. 0:54:14.524 --> 0:54:18.674 life that was fulfilled. It was fulfilled for him to die, uh, 0:54:18.685 --> 0:54:21.574 on a cross for our sins. So Jesus, you know, 0:54:21.655 --> 0:54:24.935 fulfilled all these prophetical passages that we read about in 0:54:24.935 --> 0:54:28.094 the scriptures, and he rose again from the dead. Not 0:54:28.094 --> 0:54:30.254 only did he die for the sin of the whole world, 0:54:30.373 --> 0:54:32.975 but he rose again from the dead three days later 0:54:32.975 --> 0:54:33.655 and again. 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:37.590 You know, fulfilling the prophetical word that we find in 0:54:37.590 --> 0:54:40.479 the scriptures, you know, and, and, and here's the thing 0:54:40.479 --> 0:54:43.919 is that Jesus is coming back, you know, um, that's 0:54:43.919 --> 0:54:48.120 it again, those are, these are prophetic prophetical passages about 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.669 his return, and he will return one day and 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:55.149 And in regards to his disciples, you know, the, the guy, 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:58.509 the people that God had called, you know, they weren't, 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.879 they weren't mighty men, they weren't men of, of great 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:05.520 wisdom or any they were fishermen, you know, and, um, 0:55:05.630 --> 0:55:08.840 and they were just like normal, normal guys whose lives 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:12.640 were transformed and got to see Jesus, you know, and 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.909 so I'm glad that you called that is who Jesus 0:55:15.909 --> 0:55:18.759 is he loves you and I would encourage you, you know, 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.719 to give your heart over to the Lord fully and completely. 0:55:22.449 --> 0:55:25.290 I would echo what Tommy said. It is not coincidence. 0:55:25.330 --> 0:55:30.009 It's not perchance that you stumbled upon K wave 107.9 0:55:30.009 --> 0:55:32.390 or maybe K wave 11:10 on the a.m. dial. 0:55:32.949 --> 0:55:36.178 Um, keep listening. Hope he calls back. I hope you 0:55:36.179 --> 0:55:38.479 do call back, Mario. We'll be here tomorrow between 3 0:55:38.479 --> 0:55:41.399 and 4, but in the next 23 hours, just keep 0:55:41.399 --> 0:55:44.959 it locked on this radio station. For one thing, tonight 0:55:44.959 --> 0:55:47.959 at 8 o'clock, we're gonna replay today's episode, but, uh, 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:50.030 we've just got a lot of great Bible teaching that 0:55:50.030 --> 0:55:52.699 will probably answer a lot of the questions that you have. 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:55.630 And if not, call us back tomorrow. God bless you all. 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:59.620 We're out of time today. Thank you, Phil. Thank you, Tommy. 0:55:59.959 --> 0:56:01.780 Talk to you next time on Pastor's Perspective.