WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-10/28/26

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez,

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<v Speaker 1>Answering your questions today, we've got Pastors Brian Broderson and

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Coda. Welcome guys. What's up? Thanks for coming in today, Tommy.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't seen you here in, well, it's been a few weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>at least. You're one

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<v Speaker 1>of our regulars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it's all good. It's been, been busy. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we just got done with our trunk or treat. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like our, I think our 3rd annual, um, trunk

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<v Speaker 2>or treat event that we had at, at the church.

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<v Speaker 2>In the parking lot and man it was, it was

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. It was uh

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<v Speaker 1>did you bring any leftover candy you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's

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<v Speaker 2>all at the house, yeah, so all the chocolate and

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<v Speaker 2>think of us, you know, actually, you know what we

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<v Speaker 2>ran out of candy we had so much candy and

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<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't believe we ran out of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like we're, we're gone like it's gone and, and, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so we went and did another candy run and, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was, it was really cool just to see.

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<v Speaker 2>The city of Santa Ana, uh, where our church is

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<v Speaker 2>located right behind, there's just tons of, of apartments, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of apartments, and so we've just been canvassing that

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<v Speaker 2>area with flyers and, and, um.

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<v Speaker 2>The the city had come out, you know, a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of kids and, and so it was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun and the gospel message just was going out in

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<v Speaker 2>each of the, the cars, so our church, we invited

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<v Speaker 2>our church family to like decorate their cars and everything

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of, you know, um, and just it was

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<v Speaker 2>very uh an opportunity for our church just to be

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<v Speaker 2>evangelical because every.

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<v Speaker 2>Every car that was decorated had like this theme of

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<v Speaker 2>of the gospel sharing the gospel and so um yeah

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<v Speaker 2>it was really cool just to you know I was

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<v Speaker 2>I got to I dressed up well I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>dress up but I I had like a just a

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<v Speaker 2>big giant wig like a a Jheri curl wig, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I put my glasses on and and they're like

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<v Speaker 2>hey who are you? I said, man, I'm, I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>original Jesus freak from Hope of Life Church just telling

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<v Speaker 2>everybody about Jesus, you know, and uh yeah it was,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a bunch of fun, you know, um, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Lord showed up and did some really cool

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<v Speaker 2>things and, and, uh, one of the guys from our church, he, he's, I,

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<v Speaker 2>I was told that he said, you know, for sure

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<v Speaker 2>someone got saved, people got saved for sure because the

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<v Speaker 2>gospel was just continuing to go out and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really cool to see the kids as well,

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<v Speaker 2>the response of all the kids, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of like, uh, elementary school age kids all dressed up

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<v Speaker 2>in their, you know, costumes and, and whatever, and.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were giving the gospel at the platform in

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<v Speaker 2>the stage, it was just full of little kids, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so we were able to share the gospel to, to,

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<v Speaker 2>to kids, you know, and plant that seed so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was, it was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever run out of, uh, chocolate again, you

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<v Speaker 1>can pray maybe Jesus will turn broccoli into chocolate the

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<v Speaker 1>same way he turned water into wine, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>never know, yeah, that would be a great miracle because

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<v Speaker 2>I like chocolate more than broccoli, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's make it happen. Lord, Brian, what's new? Haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>you in 23 hours. 23

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<v Speaker 2>hours, yeah, um, Tommy, so why did you guys do

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<v Speaker 2>the date you did, because, of course, the 31st is still.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple days away, yeah, it is so, um, we decided

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<v Speaker 2>to do that because, um, the 30, it was just,

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<v Speaker 2>it made more sense for us as a church, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to do it we've been doing it Sundays after church, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>from 5 to 8 and, and so it just made

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<v Speaker 2>more sense for us and our team because a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what is it? Is the 31st on a Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>this year? Yeah, it's on a Saturday. So I, I,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember we decided, you know what, we don't wanna

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<v Speaker 2>do a Saturday and then a full day Sunday less

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<v Speaker 2>we're already gonna be here Sunday. And so, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been something that we've actually been doing, um, the past

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years is like that Sunday before Halloween, you know, um.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's cool, you know, because I, I, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize this, but a lot of other like churches and

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<v Speaker 2>parks and, you know, I, I, I believe like the

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<v Speaker 2>Santa Ana Police Department did their trunk or treat like

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<v Speaker 2>a few days before ours and everything. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of really cool given opportunity for the city to

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<v Speaker 2>really enjoy. Yeah, plus I heard what we heard yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>from Phil that.

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<v Speaker 2>And they had had a big event planned, but they,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they're expecting rain, some pretty serious rain down

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<v Speaker 2>in San Diego. So I don't know about the forecast here.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it, is it gonna rain?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't looked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I haven't looked. I

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<v Speaker 1>did see,

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<v Speaker 2>now I think, you know, yeah, on Saturday it's supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to rain Saturday into Sunday morning, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just curious. I mean, that'll kind of determine

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<v Speaker 2>what costume I wear, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Might be Aquaman. It might be Aquaman, I think. There

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<v Speaker 2>you go. And if you live down in, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on the Balboa Peninsula or, you know, Long Beach or, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>even Sunset Beach, you might get your Aquaman or your, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>mermaid thing because isn't that crazy? Like the what the

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<v Speaker 2>king tide is just flooding all that whole area right there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is wild. I know, yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny because I've been of course on

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<v Speaker 2>the East Coast and you know, you've seen some of

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<v Speaker 2>the Instagram pictures and stuff and, and sometimes I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>little skeptical because it's like, oh come on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're a king tide and that's 6 ft tide,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like there's always been 6 ft tides, but this

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<v Speaker 2>unique sort of um

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<v Speaker 2>El Nino.

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<v Speaker 2>John Kelvin, uh, the, the Calvinist wave, it's coming in

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<v Speaker 2>and obliterating everything, but, um, but it's, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>happening on the East Coast too. Is it really? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw some, uh, footage of Fort Lauderdale. A lot of,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people walking around. Usually they get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of, uh, uh, hurricanes, and they haven't had that

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<v Speaker 2>many hurricanes.

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<v Speaker 2>had any. I mean, you know, on that side, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>usually I've already had like 5 or 6. Yes, exactly. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they heard that I was moving there and that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a big fan of hurricanes, so the Lord just

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<v Speaker 2>said we're gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>so now South Carolina is gonna get earthquakes.

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<v Speaker 2>God's grace, yeah, yeah, earthquakes. Now here's a crazy thing, um,

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't think too much of the East Coast

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<v Speaker 2>having earthquakes, but

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Charleston, the city of Charleston was wrecked by an

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<v Speaker 2>earthquake back in the late 1800s, like knocked the buildings down.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you go into Charleston today, you'll see these

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<v Speaker 2>old buildings and you'll see that all of them have.

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<v Speaker 2>A big, uh, like a bolt, uh, with a big

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<v Speaker 2>like a giant screw. Well, it's a rod. When they rebuilt,

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<v Speaker 2>they ran these rods all the way through these houses

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<v Speaker 2>to protect them from earthquakes, but they did that in

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<v Speaker 2>like 18, you know, the late 1800s. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>was shocked. It's like, wow, earthquake in South Carolina. OK, hm,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there's

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<v Speaker 2>a, what

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<v Speaker 1>learn something new every day, earthquake

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<v Speaker 2>fault over there, yeah, must be,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the San Andreas fault.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, for sure. So looking at the forecast for Saturday, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>starting at, uh, 56 o'clock, that's when, as of now, it's,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right when the little trick

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<v Speaker 1>or treaters, that's when they are, yeah, yeah. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they'll trick or treat in the daytime or who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>just prepared. They might show up on Friday, have the

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<v Speaker 1>door open so that in case they show up.

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<v Speaker 1>888-564-6173 is our number. And let's go to the phones now.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Dolores listening to K Wave and Riverside. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>question for Brian and Tommy, Dolores?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 1>I really, really need prayer for my daughter. It, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like the more I pray, it seems like the

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<v Speaker 1>enemy just full force. I don't know if that makes

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<v Speaker 1>any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seems like the more I pray for her,

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<v Speaker 1>she gets more animosity and hate, and she just complains

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<v Speaker 1>and blames me for all the wrong that's happened in

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<v Speaker 1>her life, and I try and I stay quiet because

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord says, just be silent, you know, just I

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<v Speaker 1>got this, but it seems like then I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>I start smelling marijuana.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking, OK, now, now I got it, now,

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<v Speaker 1>now the enemy's really coming full force at me. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Lord put it into my heart for you to

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<v Speaker 1>pray for my daughter Laura. She is just, she's, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to reach her, but God can only do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I need prayer for her. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>lose her to the enemy. I don't want her to, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I need help. How old is your daughter, Dolores?

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<v Speaker 1>She's 42. OK, so she lives with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she does, and I don't know any of what

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<v Speaker 1>she's going, none of that is here. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about her. I say, read the Bible. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>ain't going to read the Bible. God, if God's real,

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<v Speaker 1>why is all this going on in the world and

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<v Speaker 1>she's got so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Animosity and everything, and I don't know what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with her heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dolores has, has,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you need God. You need Jesus. She just

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<v Speaker 1>storms out of the room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dolores, has your, has, did your daughter at one point, um,

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<v Speaker 2>believe in the Lord? Is she, is she backslidden? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that what's going on? Or what, what's, you know, her, OK,

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<v Speaker 2>so she, she grew up knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>She is, so she at one point confessed Jesus as

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<v Speaker 2>her Lord and Savior, and now she's just in a

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<v Speaker 2>backslidden kind of a state.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she confessed to her Lord and

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<v Speaker 1>Savior that part. God only knows, but it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>because the enemy's got such a grip on her.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think what you're doing, Dolores, uh, by calling

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<v Speaker 2>and asking for prayer is the best thing that that

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<v Speaker 2>you can do is not just for you but to

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<v Speaker 2>to share with others, you know, um, to, to agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you in prayer and intercede for your daughter Laura

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<v Speaker 2>that God would, um, capture her life, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>intervene in her life because God is certainly able to

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<v Speaker 2>do that even in the midst of, of like rebellion and,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. I, I think of.

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<v Speaker 2>Saul of the story of Saul of Tarsus that we

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<v Speaker 2>read about in the in the book of Acts in

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<v Speaker 2>chapter number 9, he was, you know, he was on

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<v Speaker 2>this journey, like on this, this, uh, like personal mission.

0:11:29.059 --> 0:11:31.699
<v Speaker 2>He actually thought he was doing some, you know, good

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<v Speaker 2>things for God by, by imprisoning and even killing Christians,

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<v Speaker 2>people of the way, people who follow Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was on that road where, where God like

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<v Speaker 2>had this holy interruption. God, like Jesus invaded his life

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<v Speaker 2>in that very moment and revealed, revealed himself to, to Saul,

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<v Speaker 2>who became Paul, uh, who wrote, you know, most, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>many of, you know, I think over 2/3 of, of

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<v Speaker 2>the New Testament, you know, he ended up writing and

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<v Speaker 2>so God is definitely able to intervene into your daughter's

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<v Speaker 2>life and.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would encourage you to keep on praying and

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<v Speaker 2>ask and ask people to, to intercede, um, and to

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you in prayer for your daughter Laura.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>wanna pray?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, yeah, and I would just say, um, because I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to a friend today about, um.

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<v Speaker 2>His, his daughter actually and

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<v Speaker 2>He was telling me that, you know, it's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a struggle right now and then, but then he

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned another friend and um he mentioned his daughter and

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<v Speaker 2>he said an interesting thing. He said that the other

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<v Speaker 2>friend was telling him like, man, for like a year

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<v Speaker 2>I just totally thought that I'd lost my daughter, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she just seemed distant, disconnected, didn't wanna, you know, even

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<v Speaker 2>be close to the family or church.

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<v Speaker 2>And, and he, and then he said just, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just suddenly she changed, just boom, just like a light switch,

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<v Speaker 2>and she, you know, started following Jesus and everything turned

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<v Speaker 2>around and, um, and he didn't do anything except, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just pray during that time that God would work so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is and you know there's those times

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<v Speaker 2>where that's really.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't wanna say that's all you can do because prayer, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>prayer is way more powerful than we give it credit

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of times. But, but, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't talk to them. You can't reason with them. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't force them to do the right thing. So you

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<v Speaker 2>do have to pray. And that was, that was my,

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<v Speaker 2>that was my experience, you know, uh, Dolores, and, and

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<v Speaker 2>that my experience was for many years I was, you know, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>you know this, I, I was a, a drug addict,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in and out of prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, just chaotic life, you know, for 15 years,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, um, from the time I was a, a

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<v Speaker 2>teenager up until I was 29 years old, and, um,

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<v Speaker 2>it was my wife who got saved and she started

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<v Speaker 2>praying and, as a matter of fact, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of when we look back at this timeline is

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<v Speaker 2>the moment she got saved and started praying and things

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get better for her, you know, my life actually

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<v Speaker 2>I started living, you know, very, uh, rebelliously and, and

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<v Speaker 2>wickedly and, you know, very devious in, in my behavior and,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, um, so, you know, it didn't get better

0:14:20.629 --> 0:14:23.770
<v Speaker 2>for her. It actually, it, it did get worse and I,

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<v Speaker 2>and Diana, my wife, and her, her testimony, she, when

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<v Speaker 2>she shares her testimony.

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<v Speaker 2>About maybe about 6 months, um, before I got saved,

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<v Speaker 2>like when I paroled, came out of prison, um, her

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<v Speaker 2>prayer because of my behavior was God, take him out

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<v Speaker 2>of my life because I can't handle it or change him,

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<v Speaker 2>but I, I just don't know what else to do.

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<v Speaker 2>That was her prayer, you know, and for the next

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<v Speaker 2>6 months, you know, um, God was working in my life.

0:14:51.679 --> 0:14:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know it, but there came a point in

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<v Speaker 2>time where, where, you know, it just.

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<v Speaker 2>That day June 11th of 2000 when I, it, it

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<v Speaker 2>things changed, you know, it was a very radical experience

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<v Speaker 2>and so, you know, Dolores, I, I get it, you know, um,

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<v Speaker 2>well I think my wife would totally understand more from

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<v Speaker 2>your standpoint of like things don't seem to be getting better, um,

0:15:11.980 --> 0:15:15.350
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes maybe that's when things seem to be getting worse.

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<v Speaker 2>God's getting closer to knocking down some barriers, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's causing your daughter Laura to just be rebellious towards

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<v Speaker 2>the things of God. So don't give up, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it hard to believe that Tommy could ever be

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<v Speaker 2>rebellious or, you know, any of those things he described.

0:15:34.689 --> 0:15:38.309
<v Speaker 2>He's just the nicest person and pray, praise the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>Praise God. That's all Jesus. It is. It

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<v Speaker 1>is all God. We don't want to know BC

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah, but we did, we, you know, years ago we

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<v Speaker 2>made a film together that kind of talked about, you know,

0:15:50.449 --> 0:15:52.610
<v Speaker 2>not just Tommy's life, but a few of the other guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And um so we got a little glimpse into that

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<v Speaker 2>that previous some of those realities and that God is

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<v Speaker 2>able to just deliver people from so don't ever give

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<v Speaker 2>up yeah so Father, we pray for uh Dolores just

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<v Speaker 2>give her hope, Lord, and maybe even as Tommy shared

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<v Speaker 2>his own story a bit, maybe that will encourage her.

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<v Speaker 2>We pray that it will and others too that are

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<v Speaker 2>listening that are maybe feeling similarly that, you know, everything just.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems to be going from bad to worse. And even

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<v Speaker 2>though they're praying, nothing's changing. And God, we thank you that, um,

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<v Speaker 2>like Tommy said, he didn't even know that you were working.

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<v Speaker 2>And then boom, one day you just showed up and

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<v Speaker 2>changed everything. So we thank you that you can do

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<v Speaker 2>that and do do that. And we pray for Dolores's daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>Lourda she, you know, just that description of her, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not wanting to hear anything, getting up and leaving the room,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't care what the Bible says.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, she just seems like a great candidate for like

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<v Speaker 2>a Saul of Tarsus experience, Lord, that she would just

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<v Speaker 2>meet you on this road. And so we pray that

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<v Speaker 2>for her, that you bring her to yourself and that

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<v Speaker 2>there would be a great story that would come out

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<v Speaker 2>of this, uh, difficult season. So encourage Dolores, give her,

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<v Speaker 2>give her hope and give her peace. We pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen. You guys can find out or find this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called The Neighborhood Our Side of the Story. It

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<v Speaker 1>came out in 2015 and might be streaming online. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Uh, I know we had DVDs available years

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<v Speaker 1>ago at the chapel.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's it's available on iTunes. iTunes,

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<v Speaker 1>OK, check that out again called The Neighborhood Our Side

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<v Speaker 1>of the Story. There's another movie that came out a

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<v Speaker 1>few years ago also called The Neighborhood. That's not the

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<v Speaker 1>one you want, um, but anyway, thanks you guys for

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<v Speaker 1>praying for Dolores.

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<v Speaker 1>888-564-6173 is our number and here is Greg in Huntington Beach.

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<v Speaker 1>You are on with Pastors Brian Broderson and Tommy Coda.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your question, Greg?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>hi and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for taking my

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<v Speaker 1>call. Um, I, and I,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanna be careful because I'm not very articulate and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't wanna confuse people, but I have a really

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<v Speaker 2>strong belief in Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've had it for, I've had it for my

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<v Speaker 2>whole life, and I know that, um, when I think

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<v Speaker 2>about them, um, my insides just, they like expand where

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there's a God. And I just wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if other people,

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<v Speaker 2>People with other religions, um, feel that way about their

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<v Speaker 2>God because those kind of feelings are what make me

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<v Speaker 2>never believe in anything other than Jesus. And if somebody

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<v Speaker 2>was to try to pull me towards their religion, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what keeps me in my own religion, um, believing in

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<v Speaker 2>God and Jesus. And I was just curious if people

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<v Speaker 2>that believe in other gods.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel that way about their God and how would it

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<v Speaker 2>be possible to bring them to Jesus if that were

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<v Speaker 2>the case, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that, that's a, that's a good question. And, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think, um.

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<v Speaker 2>When you understand other religions outside of the biblical faith

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<v Speaker 2>in Jesus, what you begin to realize is that the

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<v Speaker 2>idea

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<v Speaker 2>Of a personal God that you have a personal experience

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<v Speaker 2>with who your experience with Him is is love and

0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:37.239
<v Speaker 2>mercy and, you know, compassion and kindness and guidance and provision.

0:19:37.879 --> 0:19:41.478
<v Speaker 2>There's no God outside of Jesus, the God in the

0:19:41.479 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 2>Bible like that. So, you know, of course, we can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Islam for a moment. So you know, Islam,

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<v Speaker 2>you have Allah is God in Islam.

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<v Speaker 2>But what Allah is not is he's not accessible to

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<v Speaker 2>the average Muslim. It's not like the average Muslim just goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I just love Allah. I just have such a deep

0:20:03.469 --> 0:20:05.638
<v Speaker 2>relationship with him. Oh, I just experience his love and

0:20:05.638 --> 0:20:08.040
<v Speaker 2>his peace and joy. That's not even an option. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not even offered in the context of what Islam is.

0:20:11.959 --> 0:20:14.899
<v Speaker 2>Islam is submission. You just, you submit to the rules

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<v Speaker 2>and basically, you know, hope for the best.

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<v Speaker 2>And um so there's when you do find, and you

0:20:22.099 --> 0:20:25.150
<v Speaker 2>do find occasionally some, you know, Muslim people who will

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<v Speaker 2>talk more like kind of personally about God, but it's,

0:20:30.170 --> 0:20:32.869
<v Speaker 2>it's really fascinating that a lot of that is borrowed

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<v Speaker 2>from Christianity. A lot of it is borrowed from Christian

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<v Speaker 2>testimonies even, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, so, so, OK, so there's Islam. Uh, in Judaism,

0:20:42.450 --> 0:20:44.639
<v Speaker 2>you have a similar thing, you know, Judaism's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit different, but the average Jewish person doesn't think in

0:20:47.930 --> 0:20:51.690
<v Speaker 2>terms of, um, you know, a personal relationship with God.

0:20:51.770 --> 0:20:53.689
<v Speaker 2>They think of a collective relationship with God. You know,

0:20:53.729 --> 0:20:56.729
<v Speaker 2>we're part of this collective, we're we're Jews and we're

0:20:56.729 --> 0:21:02.030
<v Speaker 2>people of God, but it's not like God is intimately

0:21:02.030 --> 0:21:04.530
<v Speaker 2>associated with their lives. I mean, there there are some

0:21:04.530 --> 0:21:06.450
<v Speaker 2>Jews who think that way, but mostly they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, because again, the presentation of the message of Judaism

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<v Speaker 2>or the message of Islam, uh, or, you know, Hinduism

0:21:14.930 --> 0:21:17.570
<v Speaker 2>is a whole another story because it's a multiplicity of

0:21:17.570 --> 0:21:20.050
<v Speaker 2>gods and then of course Buddhism is really not even

0:21:20.050 --> 0:21:25.550
<v Speaker 2>a a theistic religion. Uh, so, but the point is,

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<v Speaker 2>what we have in the gospels, you know, Jesus says, um,

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<v Speaker 2>I thank you, you know, he's he's praying to the Father.

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<v Speaker 2>He says that you have given.

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<v Speaker 2>Me authority over all humanity and um.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that I may give eternal life to as

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<v Speaker 2>many as you've given me, and this is eternal life

0:21:48.249 --> 0:21:52.129
<v Speaker 2>that they might know you, the only true God and

0:21:52.129 --> 0:21:54.790
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ whom you have sent. So this, this idea

0:21:54.790 --> 0:21:59.770
<v Speaker 2>of a, of an experiential knowledge of God is exclusively Christian.

0:22:00.509 --> 0:22:04.530
<v Speaker 2>So that's, I think, you know, when you're thinking about this, Greg,

0:22:04.670 --> 0:22:08.738
<v Speaker 2>you're describing what you have, that's not just based on

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<v Speaker 2>feelings or you, you know, you think Jesus is probably

0:22:11.349 --> 0:22:14.030
<v Speaker 2>a good idea. But the other factor with Jesus is

0:22:14.030 --> 0:22:18.310
<v Speaker 2>he's a historical figure and our, our faith in him

0:22:18.310 --> 0:22:21.458
<v Speaker 2>is based upon objective, um.

0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:27.550
<v Speaker 2>The objective objective activity of God. So God did this

0:22:27.550 --> 0:22:30.709
<v Speaker 2>in history, and he proved that he did this in

0:22:30.709 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 2>history by his miracles, most extraordinarily by his resurrection from

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<v Speaker 2>the dead and things like that. So.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg, does this help you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I just, I'm just,

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<v Speaker 2>I just know I'm very lucky to feel the way

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<v Speaker 2>I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thank God for that. Thank you guys very much. Thanks, Greg.

0:22:51.109 --> 0:22:53.729
<v Speaker 2>You know, and I think that it's also, it's also Greg, the,

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<v Speaker 2>the power of the gospel, you know, that's, that's in essence,

0:22:57.089 --> 0:22:59.489
<v Speaker 2>that's what the gospel does, you know. It, it, it

0:22:59.489 --> 0:23:03.729
<v Speaker 2>brings this relationship that we get, get to now have

0:23:03.729 --> 0:23:06.488
<v Speaker 2>with Christ, you know. And so I would encourage you

0:23:06.489 --> 0:23:07.849
<v Speaker 2>because I think part of your question was like how

0:23:07.849 --> 0:23:10.008
<v Speaker 2>can I share this? How can I live this out?

0:23:10.089 --> 0:23:12.050
<v Speaker 2>How can I communicate this, and, and.

0:23:12.349 --> 0:23:14.830
<v Speaker 2>I would say, you know, not just by your testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>but by sharing the gospel message of Jesus, you know, um,

0:23:18.830 --> 0:23:20.988
<v Speaker 2>he who, who, who the sun sets free is free

0:23:20.989 --> 0:23:25.270
<v Speaker 2>indeed and you know, just, just look over the, the

0:23:25.270 --> 0:23:28.629
<v Speaker 2>gospel messages and, and just what Jesus has done and

0:23:28.629 --> 0:23:30.708
<v Speaker 2>the words of Jesus, you know, that you find in

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<v Speaker 2>the gospel, specifically I think in the Gospel of John.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, uh, uh, you know, there's no, we can't

0:23:36.910 --> 0:23:39.270
<v Speaker 2>get to him, right? There's no other way, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus is the only way to the Father, that's what

0:23:42.349 --> 0:23:44.388
<v Speaker 2>he tells us, you know, in, in the Gospel of

0:23:44.388 --> 0:23:47.469
<v Speaker 2>John chapter 14. So I think it's just sharing these things,

0:23:47.629 --> 0:23:51.150
<v Speaker 2>knowing these things, and keep communicating the power of the

0:23:51.150 --> 0:23:54.950
<v Speaker 2>gospel because that's what changes people's lives, uh, is, is

0:23:54.950 --> 0:23:57.509
<v Speaker 2>the power of the gospel. Yeah, and like, like you, you,

0:23:57.629 --> 0:23:59.129
<v Speaker 2>you said, um.

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<v Speaker 2>The, the difference in all of those really is simply

0:24:02.499 --> 0:24:06.550
<v Speaker 2>that we have a living savior. He's a person who's alive.

0:24:06.739 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 2>So it's not just like it's not a philosophical idea.

0:24:10.888 --> 0:24:14.810
<v Speaker 2>It's not something that happened with some human a long

0:24:14.810 --> 0:24:17.050
<v Speaker 2>time ago that we're looking back and saying, well, yeah,

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.489
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, like a Moses, for example, you know, like, no,

0:24:20.729 --> 0:24:25.888
<v Speaker 2>Jesus is the reason you feel things is because Jesus

0:24:25.888 --> 0:24:29.290
<v Speaker 2>is real. He's alive and he comes he comes into

0:24:29.290 --> 0:24:34.410
<v Speaker 2>your life and he, um, you know, as he said in, uh, Revelation.

0:24:34.859 --> 0:24:38.030
<v Speaker 2>Uh, he sups with us, which is a word for supper,

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<v Speaker 2>which means he has fellowship, relationship, relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg, thanks for calling 888-564-6173. Now here's Sarah in Rancho Cucamonga.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Sarah, for calling into Pastor's Perspective today. You're

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<v Speaker 1>on with Brian Broderson and Tommy Coda.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah,

0:25:00.719 --> 0:25:01.540
<v Speaker 1>thanks for calling.

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm calling because uh my family and I are

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:12.879
<v Speaker 1>going through the hardest, the hardest time that we've ever

0:25:12.879 --> 0:25:15.700
<v Speaker 1>been through together and it's just

0:25:16.859 --> 0:25:19.339
<v Speaker 1>I, I, I don't know what to do. I, I

0:25:19.339 --> 0:25:23.820
<v Speaker 1>wanna turn to God. Um, I want, I need Jesus

0:25:23.820 --> 0:25:27.179
<v Speaker 1>so much right now. My, we have, um, I have

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<v Speaker 1>an 11 year old son and, uh, a 9 month

0:25:31.138 --> 0:25:34.900
<v Speaker 1>old baby, and I know this is a lot to

0:25:34.900 --> 0:25:37.649
<v Speaker 1>say at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, but my, I

0:25:37.650 --> 0:25:41.020
<v Speaker 1>caught my husband having an affair a couple of months

0:25:41.020 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 1>ago and uh it's really torn our family.

0:25:45.290 --> 0:25:49.609
<v Speaker 1>Apart really bad, but thank God, thank you Jesus, that

0:25:49.609 --> 0:25:53.170
<v Speaker 1>my husband is saying it's, you know, it was the

0:25:53.170 --> 0:25:57.050
<v Speaker 1>biggest mistake. He wants to be with me for the

0:25:57.050 --> 0:25:59.570
<v Speaker 1>rest of our lives and work on our family, but

0:25:59.570 --> 0:26:03.649
<v Speaker 1>it's so hard for me to forgive him, and I'm

0:26:03.650 --> 0:26:06.369
<v Speaker 1>still in the thick of it because it was, it's

0:26:06.369 --> 0:26:11.050
<v Speaker 1>so fresh and it hurts so much every day. I

0:26:11.050 --> 0:26:12.388
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I can't even

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<v Speaker 1>Focus and think about anything else and I just, I'm

0:26:17.219 --> 0:26:20.430
<v Speaker 1>suffering sometimes from it and I think, should I leave?

0:26:20.509 --> 0:26:24.909
<v Speaker 1>What does, what does God want me to do? Um, what,

0:26:25.030 --> 0:26:28.900
<v Speaker 1>you know, where, what does the Bible say about dealing

0:26:28.900 --> 0:26:33.649
<v Speaker 1>with something like this? I never thought I would experience

0:26:33.950 --> 0:26:36.869
<v Speaker 1>this in my life. I, I love my husband so

0:26:36.869 --> 0:26:40.089
<v Speaker 1>much and odd oddly enough,

0:26:41.989 --> 0:26:45.509
<v Speaker 1>I, I feel like I love him more and because

0:26:45.509 --> 0:26:48.989
<v Speaker 1>it hurts so much and I realized I, I wish

0:26:48.989 --> 0:26:50.988
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have done that. I, I don't want to

0:26:50.989 --> 0:26:55.589
<v Speaker 1>be without him, but it hurts. I'm just struggling. Are

0:26:55.589 --> 0:26:58.030
<v Speaker 1>you guys doing any kind of marriage counseling or anything?

0:26:59.910 --> 0:27:04.670
<v Speaker 1>Not yet. I've, um, I've asked him to, but I haven't.

0:27:05.509 --> 0:27:08.270
<v Speaker 1>I've been very scattered and all over the place with

0:27:08.270 --> 0:27:11.189
<v Speaker 1>the kids and, and trying to figure everything out, so

0:27:11.190 --> 0:27:15.869
<v Speaker 1>I just, I haven't pushed it further, but I, I

0:27:15.869 --> 0:27:20.790
<v Speaker 1>think that's necessary or even just for you yourself. But Tommy,

0:27:20.869 --> 0:27:21.429
<v Speaker 1>what would you say to

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah? Yeah, first of all, Sarah, I'm, I'm so sorry

0:27:23.830 --> 0:27:27.169
<v Speaker 2>that you and your family, your children, um, are having

0:27:27.170 --> 0:27:30.629
<v Speaker 2>to deal with this. This is a very heavy, heavy thing, and,

0:27:30.739 --> 0:27:31.089
<v Speaker 2>and

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I, I, there's, there's a whole lot, you know,

0:27:34.310 --> 0:27:36.550
<v Speaker 2>like probably a lot, a lot of questions that I

0:27:36.550 --> 0:27:39.988
<v Speaker 2>would encourage just what, what, uh, what Brian had shared

0:27:39.989 --> 0:27:43.719
<v Speaker 2>to maybe seek some counsel. Um, you know, I, and I,

0:27:43.790 --> 0:27:46.430
<v Speaker 2>is your, is your husband a Christian? Does he believe

0:27:46.430 --> 0:27:47.089
<v Speaker 2>in the Lord?

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:53.839
<v Speaker 1>He does, but he, I think he's 1 ft in,

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.739
<v Speaker 1>1 ft out because he doesn't wanna let go of

0:27:56.739 --> 0:28:01.719
<v Speaker 1>his party life, and he, I mean he has, but

0:28:01.719 --> 0:28:04.899
<v Speaker 1>he admitted to me recently that, um.

0:28:05.229 --> 0:28:09.099
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he wants to, to be good to me and

0:28:09.099 --> 0:28:12.708
<v Speaker 1>our family, but he still wants to go to, um,

0:28:12.770 --> 0:28:17.950
<v Speaker 1>like festivals, like music festivals where, you know, that type

0:28:17.950 --> 0:28:21.869
<v Speaker 1>of atmosphere is, is not somewhere I don't think a

0:28:21.869 --> 0:28:25.270
<v Speaker 1>Christian should be. Him and I, before we became, before

0:28:25.270 --> 0:28:27.629
<v Speaker 1>I became a born again Christian, I used to go

0:28:27.629 --> 0:28:29.030
<v Speaker 1>to those festivals with

0:28:29.030 --> 0:28:29.310
<v Speaker 1>him.

0:28:29.599 --> 0:28:31.790
<v Speaker 2>So you know what they're, you know what they're like and,

0:28:32.070 --> 0:28:34.830
<v Speaker 2>and everything. It's just a big giant party scene.

0:28:35.450 --> 0:28:37.899
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, Sarah, I, I think, you know, again, I,

0:28:37.979 --> 0:28:39.820
<v Speaker 2>I am very sorry that you're going through all these

0:28:39.820 --> 0:28:43.739
<v Speaker 2>things and I would very much recommend, you know, you,

0:28:43.900 --> 0:28:46.780
<v Speaker 2>you know, if not with your husband, but you really

0:28:46.780 --> 0:28:49.820
<v Speaker 2>connect with your, with your local church, the church that

0:28:49.820 --> 0:28:53.180
<v Speaker 2>you go to, um, and, and share, you know, just

0:28:53.180 --> 0:28:56.660
<v Speaker 2>let your pastor know, you know, what is, is going

0:28:56.660 --> 0:28:57.619
<v Speaker 2>on because.

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.389
<v Speaker 2>You know, there is God is able to heal. God

0:29:01.389 --> 0:29:04.879
<v Speaker 2>is able to redeem and restore these things, but it's

0:29:04.879 --> 0:29:07.959
<v Speaker 2>gonna take a work of the Holy Spirit. Obviously it's

0:29:07.959 --> 0:29:10.589
<v Speaker 2>not a work of man and and when that happens,

0:29:10.599 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>that means there's there's forgiveness, there's confession, there's true repentance,

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.900
<v Speaker 2>and those things don't happen overnight. There is.

0:29:19.270 --> 0:29:22.389
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's time that goes by and, and God

0:29:22.389 --> 0:29:25.820
<v Speaker 2>reveals the heart, you know, God will reveal the heart,

0:29:25.989 --> 0:29:28.410
<v Speaker 2>you know, his heart to you and, and.

0:29:28.770 --> 0:29:31.330
<v Speaker 2>And also reveal some things to you, you know, about

0:29:31.330 --> 0:29:34.410
<v Speaker 2>yourself perhaps that you can bring into the marriage and

0:29:34.410 --> 0:29:36.410
<v Speaker 2>for it to be restored and all that stuff. So

0:29:36.410 --> 0:29:39.009
<v Speaker 2>God is truly able to do these things, but I

0:29:39.009 --> 0:29:42.770
<v Speaker 2>would really recommend that you get some spiritual counsel in

0:29:42.770 --> 0:29:43.729
<v Speaker 2>all of this. Yeah,

0:29:43.810 --> 0:29:45.609
<v Speaker 1>we've got to take a break now, but Sarah, stay

0:29:45.609 --> 0:29:48.050
<v Speaker 1>on the line and we'll continue our conversation with you

0:29:48.050 --> 0:29:50.469
<v Speaker 1>and the phone lines are open for the next 30 minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Call in 888-564-6173 is the number to call. That's 888-564-6173.

0:30:16.359 --> 0:30:21.629
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the

0:30:21.629 --> 0:30:24.238
<v Speaker 1>number to call. We've got Pastors Brian Broderson and Tommy

0:30:24.239 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Coda here answering your questions, and we were just speaking

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:32.430
<v Speaker 1>with Sarah, who called. She's asking for advice on what

0:30:32.430 --> 0:30:35.020
<v Speaker 1>to do about her marriage. Found out that her husband

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.879
<v Speaker 1>was having an affair. I guess your husband was having

0:30:37.879 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>an affair during the time you were pregnant because you

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:42.719
<v Speaker 1>said you have a nine month old baby, right?

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Sarah, are you there?

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.300
<v Speaker 1>Did you press mute on your phone? I'm so sorry

0:30:51.300 --> 0:30:54.238
<v Speaker 1>that my phone was on mute. I apologize. I knew it.

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:55.459
<v Speaker 1>That's always what it is.

0:30:57.349 --> 0:31:02.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you're correct, um, his affair was happening, uh,

0:31:02.989 --> 0:31:05.749
<v Speaker 1>during the time that I was, well, right before I

0:31:05.749 --> 0:31:11.249
<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, while I was pregnant, and, um, during my, um, recovery,

0:31:11.589 --> 0:31:12.009
<v Speaker 1>and

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that makes it hurt even more and um I,

0:31:17.839 --> 0:31:18.389
<v Speaker 1>I just

0:31:19.389 --> 0:31:21.619
<v Speaker 1>Some days it's just so difficult. I don't know how

0:31:21.619 --> 0:31:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to deal.

0:31:22.580 --> 0:31:25.820
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it, it, you know, stuff like this takes

0:31:25.820 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 2>a long time and it's, and it, of course it.

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:33.780
<v Speaker 2>is only going to heal if there is a genuine,

0:31:34.239 --> 0:31:35.379
<v Speaker 1>um,

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>repentance on his part. I'm, I'm curious, Sarah, did, how

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.879
<v Speaker 2>did you find out about this? Did he confess it

0:31:43.879 --> 0:31:47.259
<v Speaker 2>to you? Did it get exposed some other way?

0:31:47.999 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh, how is it that

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:49.599
<v Speaker 1>you know?

0:31:51.719 --> 0:31:55.099
<v Speaker 1>I wish that he had confessed it to me, um,

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:59.839
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't. I had, uh, he came home from, well,

0:31:59.879 --> 0:32:01.650
<v Speaker 1>it was supposed to be work at about

0:32:02.859 --> 0:32:06.139
<v Speaker 1>2 in the morning and was acting a little strange

0:32:06.139 --> 0:32:07.820
<v Speaker 1>and then when I woke up to take our oldest

0:32:07.820 --> 0:32:11.139
<v Speaker 1>son to school at 6 o'clock I had a feeling

0:32:11.139 --> 0:32:14.259
<v Speaker 1>to look at his phone and I did and I

0:32:14.259 --> 0:32:18.180
<v Speaker 1>saw a message from the other woman thanking, thanking him

0:32:18.180 --> 0:32:22.300
<v Speaker 1>for that night and so I decided to speak with

0:32:22.300 --> 0:32:26.219
<v Speaker 1>her and I messaged her and that's pretty much how

0:32:26.219 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it all started and so I

0:32:28.999 --> 0:32:32.820
<v Speaker 1>She admitted to me um what was going on. They've

0:32:32.820 --> 0:32:35.550
<v Speaker 1>been doing it for almost 2 years and

0:32:36.300 --> 0:32:39.700
<v Speaker 1>Then I, I told him after I took my son

0:32:39.700 --> 0:32:43.180
<v Speaker 1>to school that I read the messages and he denied

0:32:43.180 --> 0:32:46.950
<v Speaker 1>it up until he realized there was no denying it anymore.

0:32:47.580 --> 0:32:49.489
<v Speaker 1>Then he admitted it to me and it's been a

0:32:49.489 --> 0:32:49.999
<v Speaker 1>very

0:32:50.780 --> 0:32:55.339
<v Speaker 1>Long process of trying to get information out and um

0:32:55.410 --> 0:32:58.700
<v Speaker 1>it's all out in the open, but uh something I've

0:32:58.700 --> 0:33:02.580
<v Speaker 1>also been concerned about is I think she might possibly

0:33:02.580 --> 0:33:06.889
<v Speaker 1>be pregnant. So um that also is like a

0:33:07.660 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Big, a big kick to my heart.

0:33:11.599 --> 0:33:14.420
<v Speaker 2>So, well, that, that makes a, that makes a huge

0:33:14.420 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 2>difference of, you know, just finding out that way rather than, um,

0:33:19.540 --> 0:33:20.459
<v Speaker 2>confessing it.

0:33:21.310 --> 0:33:24.270
<v Speaker 2>I, you know, and, and like you said, I mean,

0:33:24.430 --> 0:33:27.050
<v Speaker 2>you know, you started off by saying he had an affair, but,

0:33:27.070 --> 0:33:30.489
<v Speaker 2>you know, thankfully he wants to stay together and, and

0:33:30.489 --> 0:33:34.940
<v Speaker 2>work through it. But does he really? and is he really, um,

0:33:35.190 --> 0:33:37.749
<v Speaker 2>you know, willing to take the steps, and I think

0:33:37.749 --> 0:33:40.180
<v Speaker 2>when he's saying things like, yeah, but I, I still wanna,

0:33:40.310 --> 0:33:42.070
<v Speaker 2>you know, go to my parties and I wanna.

0:33:42.489 --> 0:33:44.530
<v Speaker 2>You know, that doesn't sound to me like a person

0:33:44.530 --> 0:33:48.670
<v Speaker 2>who really wants to see a change in their situation.

0:33:48.810 --> 0:33:49.249
<v Speaker 2>So

0:33:49.249 --> 0:33:52.089
<v Speaker 1>is he just afraid of having to pay you alimony

0:33:52.089 --> 0:33:54.170
<v Speaker 1>and pay child support and all that other stuff?

0:33:55.889 --> 0:33:59.998
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was wondering too, but he has

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>He told me, um, a few times that he hates

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.759
<v Speaker 1>seeing me hurt and he's, he hates that he hurt

0:34:07.759 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>me so much and he was being selfish and he

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:16.180
<v Speaker 1>just wanted something on the side and, and, uh, and he,

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.748
<v Speaker 1>he should have cut it off a long time ago and,

0:34:19.759 --> 0:34:22.998
<v Speaker 1>you know, things like that and, and he said um

0:34:22.998 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>he wants to grow old with me and make me happy,

0:34:26.159 --> 0:34:28.439
<v Speaker 1>but it scares me. I

0:34:28.939 --> 0:34:31.709
<v Speaker 1>I told him, you know, these are just things that

0:34:31.709 --> 0:34:35.350
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, but it's going to require you to take action,

0:34:35.469 --> 0:34:39.590
<v Speaker 1>some sort of action for me to see you making

0:34:39.590 --> 0:34:39.790
<v Speaker 1>a

0:34:39.790 --> 0:34:40.149
<v Speaker 1>change.

0:34:40.270 --> 0:34:42.669
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, he could sweet talk

0:34:42.669 --> 0:34:45.270
<v Speaker 2>you all day with that stuff, and it doesn't necessarily

0:34:45.270 --> 0:34:47.820
<v Speaker 2>mean anything. It's only going to mean something if you

0:34:47.820 --> 0:34:51.479
<v Speaker 2>see that there really is change, which obviously the first

0:34:51.479 --> 0:34:54.629
<v Speaker 2>thing is that he's completely disassociated from this woman.

0:34:55.209 --> 0:34:58.530
<v Speaker 2>And from other women too. So, uh, and I, I

0:34:58.530 --> 0:35:01.209
<v Speaker 2>just want to say this too, you know, you're from

0:35:01.209 --> 0:35:05.310
<v Speaker 2>a biblical standpoint, you are free to make the decision

0:35:05.310 --> 0:35:07.810
<v Speaker 2>that you feel is best for you. So there's nothing

0:35:07.810 --> 0:35:09.739
<v Speaker 2>in the Bible that binds you to

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, well, I have to stay in this marriage. Um,

0:35:12.998 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 2>so I'm not saying to get out of it, but

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:17.999
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying don't, don't think that that isn't a

0:35:17.998 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 2>possibility or that if, if you decided to do that,

0:35:21.159 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 2>that you would somehow be, you know, falling out with

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.218
<v Speaker 2>God or displeasing God, you know, that's a lot of times,

0:35:27.390 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, especially with, I, I think with women, more,

0:35:30.199 --> 0:35:34.159
<v Speaker 2>more sense, uh, more women have this kind of a

0:35:34.159 --> 0:35:37.939
<v Speaker 2>feeling like, you know, husband has been doing this, been

0:35:37.939 --> 0:35:39.810
<v Speaker 2>cheating and behaving this way, but

0:35:40.169 --> 0:35:43.050
<v Speaker 2>I can't divorce him because that's, you know, it's going

0:35:43.050 --> 0:35:44.929
<v Speaker 2>to break God's heart or I'm going to be sinning

0:35:44.929 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 2>against God. And, and that's not the case, you know,

0:35:47.919 --> 0:35:50.959
<v Speaker 2>from a bib biblical standpoint, that's not the case for you, Sarah,

0:35:51.409 --> 0:35:53.370
<v Speaker 2>you know, and, um, you know, it is, it is

0:35:53.370 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 2>hard just, just to hear what you're going through, you know, uh,

0:35:56.248 --> 0:35:59.449
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like he's very sorrowful for the consequences, you know,

0:36:00.050 --> 0:36:03.590
<v Speaker 2>rather than, um, you really being upfront, you know, um, so.

0:36:04.060 --> 0:36:06.540
<v Speaker 2>I would encourage you, Sarah, for, for you and, and

0:36:06.540 --> 0:36:09.969
<v Speaker 2>if he's willing to get some, you know, biblical counsel and,

0:36:10.020 --> 0:36:14.540
<v Speaker 2>and really have this discussion about confessing and repenting and

0:36:14.540 --> 0:36:18.620
<v Speaker 2>healing and and redeeming and really allowing the Lord and,

0:36:18.699 --> 0:36:21.659
<v Speaker 2>you know, just a life transformation where there's no other

0:36:21.659 --> 0:36:24.259
<v Speaker 2>desire to go out, but just really to be the

0:36:24.259 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 2>husband that God wants him to be.

0:36:26.219 --> 0:36:29.140
<v Speaker 2>Um, to really seek that counsel, whether he wants to

0:36:29.140 --> 0:36:31.459
<v Speaker 2>join you or not. I think even if it's just

0:36:31.459 --> 0:36:33.419
<v Speaker 2>going to be you, I, I would encourage you with

0:36:33.419 --> 0:36:36.140
<v Speaker 2>your local church and your pastor that, you know, that

0:36:36.140 --> 0:36:38.300
<v Speaker 2>you have, you know, prayfully you have, you know, a

0:36:38.300 --> 0:36:40.890
<v Speaker 2>local church that you have a relationship with, you know, um,

0:36:41.020 --> 0:36:42.739
<v Speaker 2>that you can connect with so that.

0:36:43.330 --> 0:36:47.090
<v Speaker 2>You can get the good biblical insight from, uh, you know,

0:36:47.169 --> 0:36:50.169
<v Speaker 2>a faith community that you're a part of to help

0:36:50.169 --> 0:36:52.249
<v Speaker 2>you with this journey because this is a very hard

0:36:52.248 --> 0:36:54.290
<v Speaker 2>thing to deal with, you know, over a phone call

0:36:54.290 --> 0:36:56.130
<v Speaker 2>like this. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,

0:36:56.759 --> 0:36:56.770
<v Speaker 1>yeah.

0:36:57.219 --> 0:36:59.780
<v Speaker 1>There's a radio program that airs here on KWave on

0:36:59.780 --> 0:37:04.130
<v Speaker 1>the weekends on our AM station. It's called New Life Live, and, uh,

0:37:04.140 --> 0:37:08.100
<v Speaker 1>that ministry has a, uh, program. They have one coming

0:37:08.100 --> 0:37:09.859
<v Speaker 1>up in a couple of weeks. In fact, it's called

0:37:09.860 --> 0:37:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Restore Healing After Betrayal. It's just for women who have

0:37:15.259 --> 0:37:17.739
<v Speaker 1>been through something like this, and the next one is

0:37:17.739 --> 0:37:20.339
<v Speaker 1>happening in Washington DC. It begins in a couple of weeks.

0:37:20.380 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>You can find out more about it online at newlife.com/restore.

0:37:25.429 --> 0:37:27.630
<v Speaker 1>But uh Sarah, we're gonna be praying for you. Everybody

0:37:27.630 --> 0:37:29.729
<v Speaker 1>watching and listening is gonna be praying for you as well.

0:37:30.429 --> 0:37:31.350
<v Speaker 1>In fact, Brian, would you pray

0:37:31.350 --> 0:37:34.909
<v Speaker 2>for her? Yeah, we happily, Lord, we pray for Sarah

0:37:34.909 --> 0:37:39.780
<v Speaker 2>and our hearts break over this story and we just

0:37:39.780 --> 0:37:44.209
<v Speaker 2>pray that you would just somehow meet her where she's at,

0:37:44.509 --> 0:37:47.469
<v Speaker 2>that you would comfort her, and that you would give

0:37:47.469 --> 0:37:51.550
<v Speaker 2>her wisdom, Lord, on what the future does look like.

0:37:51.590 --> 0:37:55.209
<v Speaker 2>And we pray for her husband that he would really turn.

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Away from sin and turn away from self that he

0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 2>would turn to you, Lord, and we know, you know, yeah,

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>he feels bad about it right now, but there needs

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>to be more than just feeling bad about it. There

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 2>needs to be change and Lord, so we pray for

0:38:12.399 --> 0:38:15.419
<v Speaker 2>deep conviction. We pray for the conviction of the Holy

0:38:15.419 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Spirit to bring him to.

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:22.989
<v Speaker 2>Uh, a place of repenting, turning away from sin and

0:38:22.989 --> 0:38:26.009
<v Speaker 2>turning to you. And because Lord, we know that his,

0:38:26.989 --> 0:38:29.709
<v Speaker 2>you know, even his best intentions are, are not gonna

0:38:29.709 --> 0:38:34.060
<v Speaker 2>be sufficient for, uh, what, what the need is ahead. So,

0:38:34.390 --> 0:38:36.949
<v Speaker 2>but for Sarah too, as she daily, like she said,

0:38:37.030 --> 0:38:40.189
<v Speaker 2>you know, just the thoughts come to her mind and

0:38:40.189 --> 0:38:41.550
<v Speaker 2>she struggles with that and.

0:38:41.939 --> 0:38:44.810
<v Speaker 2>That's totally understandable. We, we pray that you would shield

0:38:44.810 --> 0:38:49.270
<v Speaker 2>her and, um, just watch over her and, um, we

0:38:49.270 --> 0:38:52.419
<v Speaker 2>pray that you would bless her. Jesus' name. Amen.

0:38:52.820 --> 0:39:00.209
<v Speaker 1>Amen. 888-564-6173. Let's talk to Isaiah in Whittier. Hi Isaiah,

0:39:00.259 --> 0:39:02.860
<v Speaker 1>thanks for downloading the Kwave app. Thanks for calling in today.

0:39:04.350 --> 0:39:05.489
<v Speaker 1>Hey, how's it going, guys?

0:39:05.929 --> 0:39:10.630
<v Speaker 1>Good. I had a question. Um, what's the best way

0:39:10.630 --> 0:39:17.469
<v Speaker 1>to defend the faith, um, in a non-combative way, um,

0:39:17.669 --> 0:39:20.020
<v Speaker 1>and just for a little bit of context, um,

0:39:20.149 --> 0:39:20.429
<v Speaker 2>I

0:39:20.429 --> 0:39:20.830
<v Speaker 1>kind of

0:39:20.830 --> 0:39:21.189
<v Speaker 2>bumped

0:39:21.189 --> 0:39:23.169
<v Speaker 1>into some Jehovah Witnesses,

0:39:23.830 --> 0:39:25.790
<v Speaker 2>and they were speaking to me and I was speaking

0:39:25.790 --> 0:39:28.830
<v Speaker 2>to them, and, uh, a scripture I had mentioned was, well,

0:39:28.929 --> 0:39:33.009
<v Speaker 2>why did Thomas call Jesus my God and my Lord?

0:39:33.890 --> 0:39:36.489
<v Speaker 2>But that was as far as I can go, um,

0:39:36.959 --> 0:39:39.679
<v Speaker 2>comfortably and from my memory, so I just was hoping

0:39:39.679 --> 0:39:41.380
<v Speaker 2>maybe you guys can give a little bit better.

0:39:42.140 --> 0:39:45.959
<v Speaker 2>Um, advice or context on what's the best way to

0:39:46.580 --> 0:39:48.770
<v Speaker 2>You know, and talk to people that are either not

0:39:48.770 --> 0:39:52.020
<v Speaker 2>of the faith or trying to dispute that this is God.

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:56.198
<v Speaker 2>What, what, what did they say when you said that

0:39:56.199 --> 0:39:56.479
<v Speaker 2>to him?

0:39:57.699 --> 0:40:01.219
<v Speaker 2>Um, shoot, I have a, sometimes I have a bad memory,

0:40:01.259 --> 0:40:04.580
<v Speaker 2>but I, when I was speaking to her, um, and

0:40:04.580 --> 0:40:07.580
<v Speaker 2>her husband, they were bringing up like different scriptures from

0:40:07.580 --> 0:40:09.999
<v Speaker 2>like the book of John where you say if you

0:40:09.998 --> 0:40:12.658
<v Speaker 2>believe in the Father, you believe in the Son, she's like, see,

0:40:12.739 --> 0:40:16.770
<v Speaker 2>he's the son, but I'll, I, my response was like,

0:40:16.860 --> 0:40:17.399
<v Speaker 2>you know,

0:40:18.550 --> 0:40:20.390
<v Speaker 2>Us as humans, why is it that we try to

0:40:20.390 --> 0:40:22.390
<v Speaker 2>put God in a box, you know, who, who are

0:40:22.390 --> 0:40:26.029
<v Speaker 2>we to say that, you know, God can't become a

0:40:26.030 --> 0:40:30.110
<v Speaker 2>human and, and Jesus can't be God either, you know? And, um,

0:40:30.229 --> 0:40:31.870
<v Speaker 2>you know, she was just, she was going on her

0:40:31.870 --> 0:40:35.009
<v Speaker 2>phone looking up different Bible verses, trying to dispute it,

0:40:35.989 --> 0:40:37.988
<v Speaker 2>and then I just asked her, you know, like, well,

0:40:38.110 --> 0:40:40.609
<v Speaker 2>why did, why did he say to the Pharisees, um,

0:40:40.830 --> 0:40:44.399
<v Speaker 2>before Abraham was, I am, and then they were just kept,

0:40:44.509 --> 0:40:46.330
<v Speaker 2>you know, sticking to their, you know.

0:40:47.810 --> 0:40:51.270
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sticking to their, their point. I was like, oh man,

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I gotta get better at this. Yeah, well, that, you know, that's,

0:40:54.479 --> 0:40:55.909
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of the way they operate. I mean, they,

0:40:55.969 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, they have their scriptures that they lock into

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.850
<v Speaker 2>and then that's just where they go and they take

0:41:02.850 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 2>refuge in that. And even if you're showing them scriptures

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:09.479
<v Speaker 2>that say something different, they, you know, they, they tend

0:41:09.479 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 2>to hold on. I, I think, you know, there really

0:41:11.759 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 2>is a spiritual blindness there, and that's why they just

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:17.169
<v Speaker 2>can't see.

0:41:17.739 --> 0:41:20.979
<v Speaker 2>But the best, the best bet is just what you did.

0:41:21.140 --> 0:41:24.159
<v Speaker 2>And I, I think the Gospel of John, I just

0:41:25.219 --> 0:41:27.919
<v Speaker 2>read John chapter 18 this morning. So that's I've been

0:41:27.919 --> 0:41:29.580
<v Speaker 2>on my journey for the last, I don't know, a

0:41:29.580 --> 0:41:32.729
<v Speaker 2>week or whatever, uh, reading through John's Gospel and it's like,

0:41:32.820 --> 0:41:35.929
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I mean this, this gospel is just,

0:41:35.979 --> 0:41:38.979
<v Speaker 2>it's written. John says that he wrote it, that you

0:41:38.979 --> 0:41:40.830
<v Speaker 2>may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,

0:41:40.969 --> 0:41:42.919
<v Speaker 2>and that believing you may have life in his name.

0:41:43.409 --> 0:41:49.009
<v Speaker 2>Um, John highlights the divinity of Jesus in.

0:41:49.709 --> 0:41:54.350
<v Speaker 2>In more and clearer ways than any of the other

0:41:54.350 --> 0:41:57.549
<v Speaker 2>gospel writers. They all do it, but John does it

0:41:57.550 --> 0:41:59.589
<v Speaker 2>like in a way where he's just, you know, putting

0:41:59.590 --> 0:42:02.870
<v Speaker 2>it out there over and over and over again, beginning

0:42:02.870 --> 0:42:04.609
<v Speaker 2>with the very first verse of the Bible.

0:42:04.979 --> 0:42:06.969
<v Speaker 2>The very 1st 3 verses in the beginning, I mean,

0:42:07.248 --> 0:42:09.540
<v Speaker 2>of the gospel. Uh, you know, in the beginning was

0:42:09.540 --> 0:42:11.299
<v Speaker 2>the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word

0:42:11.300 --> 0:42:14.498
<v Speaker 2>was God. Now, the New World translation, the Jehovah's Witness

0:42:14.498 --> 0:42:16.939
<v Speaker 2>Bible says, uh, in the beginning was the Word and

0:42:16.939 --> 0:42:19.540
<v Speaker 2>the Word was with God and the Word was a God. Well,

0:42:19.659 --> 0:42:22.659
<v Speaker 2>they just decided to put the A in there because they,

0:42:24.300 --> 0:42:27.179
<v Speaker 2>that's that's their theology. There's no basis for it in the,

0:42:27.580 --> 0:42:30.860
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing in the Greek text that allows for it

0:42:30.860 --> 0:42:33.060
<v Speaker 2>or there's no Greek text in the world that actually

0:42:33.060 --> 0:42:34.100
<v Speaker 2>has that in it.

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:38.049
<v Speaker 2>Um, and then, you know, if you go to verse 18,

0:42:38.449 --> 0:42:41.569
<v Speaker 2>verse 18 says no one has ever seen God speaking

0:42:41.570 --> 0:42:44.009
<v Speaker 2>of the Father, but the one and only Son who

0:42:44.009 --> 0:42:47.489
<v Speaker 2>is also Himself God, He has brought him out into

0:42:47.489 --> 0:42:51.130
<v Speaker 2>the open. That's the NIV translation of John 1:18. And

0:42:51.130 --> 0:42:53.529
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like you can't get any clearer than this,

0:42:53.610 --> 0:42:55.810
<v Speaker 2>you know, the only, the one and only Son who

0:42:55.810 --> 0:42:59.689
<v Speaker 2>is also Himself God. It's like, OK, well, but.

0:43:00.159 --> 0:43:03.959
<v Speaker 2>Again, you know, with Jehovah's Witnesses, and I've been to

0:43:03.959 --> 0:43:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Kingdom Hall. I've sat in the Kingdom Hall and debated

0:43:07.199 --> 0:43:09.110
<v Speaker 2>with the elders and everything, and

0:43:09.479 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, sometimes it's, it's just unbelievable the, the tenacity

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.719
<v Speaker 2>with which they will hold on to the deception. And it,

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 2>it is, I, I think it is a spiritual stronghold,

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're just, uh, the, the enemy has truly

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.620
<v Speaker 2>blinded them and they are very, I think when they go,

0:43:26.759 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, house to house, you know, I, you always

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.320
<v Speaker 2>see them early in the morning on Saturdays, right down

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.248
<v Speaker 2>the street, you know, and it's like, all right, I'm,

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting ready, they're gonna come.

0:43:33.399 --> 0:43:35.399
<v Speaker 2>My house, I think they came to my house twice

0:43:35.399 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 2>and so now they skip my house, you know, I, but,

0:43:39.310 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 2>but the thing is, is like they come, you know,

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:45.050
<v Speaker 2>they come rehearsed. They have, they have like a, a

0:43:45.050 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 2>pocket full of, of, you know, verses to from their

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:55.589
<v Speaker 2>translation and, and, in anticipation of engaging, you know, like

0:43:55.590 --> 0:43:57.280
<v Speaker 2>a debate with Christians.

0:43:57.759 --> 0:44:00.130
<v Speaker 2>You know, who will say, well, you know, when you

0:44:00.130 --> 0:44:01.899
<v Speaker 2>go to these doors they're probably gonna ask you about

0:44:01.899 --> 0:44:04.159
<v Speaker 2>this verse, and when they do bring up this, this

0:44:04.159 --> 0:44:07.249
<v Speaker 2>and this and say it like this, you know, and, uh, and,

0:44:07.370 --> 0:44:10.428
<v Speaker 2>and they always have someone like, you know, kind of like, uh,

0:44:10.449 --> 0:44:13.899
<v Speaker 2>an elder that might be with them that, you know, if, um,

0:44:14.009 --> 0:44:15.070
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason.

0:44:15.610 --> 0:44:18.570
<v Speaker 2>Uh, they're having a challenge, then the elder will come

0:44:18.570 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and step in and, and usually when that happens, the

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:24.810
<v Speaker 2>conversation gets shut down very quickly and here you want

0:44:24.810 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 2>to take this magazine or not, you know, and, uh,

0:44:27.050 --> 0:44:28.469
<v Speaker 2>they move on to the next house, but.

0:44:29.199 --> 0:44:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it, it is. I think the best thing, Isaiah,

0:44:31.439 --> 0:44:32.999
<v Speaker 2>you know, what, what you did is, is, you know,

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.310
<v Speaker 2>sharing the word of God and, and, you know, ask,

0:44:35.479 --> 0:44:38.919
<v Speaker 2>bringing up these questions because a lot of times, you know, like,

0:44:38.998 --> 0:44:41.429
<v Speaker 2>like when you brought up the question to them about,

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.209
<v Speaker 2>you know, when Jesus said, I, you know, before Abraham was,

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.748
<v Speaker 2>I am, you know, that's, that's a very, there you go.

0:44:48.149 --> 0:44:50.199
<v Speaker 2>So now what do you say? And a lot of

0:44:50.199 --> 0:44:55.020
<v Speaker 2>times I, I, I wanna believe that a lot of these, um.

0:44:55.649 --> 0:44:58.469
<v Speaker 2>People like say with Jehovah's Witness, they'll they'll go home

0:44:58.469 --> 0:45:02.169
<v Speaker 2>and maybe begin to wrestle with that question that you

0:45:02.169 --> 0:45:02.969
<v Speaker 2>had asked them.

0:45:03.399 --> 0:45:07.870
<v Speaker 2>And prayerfully it'll cause them to dig a little deeper.

0:45:07.949 --> 0:45:10.790
<v Speaker 2>I've actually come in contact with, and I even think

0:45:10.790 --> 0:45:12.550
<v Speaker 2>there's probably a couple of people at our church that

0:45:12.550 --> 0:45:15.870
<v Speaker 2>at one point were, you know, looking or we're going

0:45:15.870 --> 0:45:19.429
<v Speaker 2>to Jehovah Witness, we're, we're going to Kingdom Hall and had,

0:45:19.509 --> 0:45:22.590
<v Speaker 2>you know, some of these thoughts planted in their hearts

0:45:22.590 --> 0:45:24.748
<v Speaker 2>and in their minds, you know, and so now, you know,

0:45:24.949 --> 0:45:28.229
<v Speaker 2>now because of wrestling with some of these questions, they've

0:45:28.229 --> 0:45:30.620
<v Speaker 2>they've come to full faith in Christ Jesus and so.

0:45:30.998 --> 0:45:33.679
<v Speaker 2>I think those are great ways to do that and

0:45:33.679 --> 0:45:36.600
<v Speaker 2>just keep asking these questions, kind of reverse it, you know,

0:45:36.679 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 2>with them and ask them to think about some of

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:43.469
<v Speaker 2>the passages in the gospels. Yeah, here, here's a great one. I, this,

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I would recommend this is a, this is a good

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.759
<v Speaker 2>one just to ask them this question. Isaiah, um,

0:45:50.219 --> 0:45:56.370
<v Speaker 2>Isaiah 44:6, the Lord says, um, I am the first

0:45:56.370 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 2>and the last, and it's Yahweh speaking, who of course

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.550
<v Speaker 2>they would call Jehovah. Um, so he makes this declaration,

0:46:02.630 --> 0:46:04.350
<v Speaker 2>he is the first and the last, the beginning and

0:46:04.350 --> 0:46:07.669
<v Speaker 2>the end, and so forth. Um, when you go to

0:46:07.669 --> 0:46:12.949
<v Speaker 2>Revelation 1:17, Jesus says, I am the first and the last,

0:46:13.189 --> 0:46:15.370
<v Speaker 2>and then just so we know who's talking, he says,

0:46:15.630 --> 0:46:17.570
<v Speaker 2>I am the one who was dead.

0:46:17.979 --> 0:46:20.870
<v Speaker 2>And behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the

0:46:20.870 --> 0:46:23.060
<v Speaker 2>keys of hell and death. So it's crystal clear Jesus

0:46:23.060 --> 0:46:25.549
<v Speaker 2>is the one talking. He says, I'm the first and

0:46:25.550 --> 0:46:30.909
<v Speaker 2>the last. So which is it? Well, could it be

0:46:30.909 --> 0:46:33.749
<v Speaker 2>that we have the same person talking here? See, that's

0:46:33.748 --> 0:46:37.860
<v Speaker 2>when they give you the magazine and they, and you know,

0:46:38.590 --> 0:46:42.748
<v Speaker 2>the problem is, of course, they, they can't envision.

0:46:43.459 --> 0:46:47.658
<v Speaker 2>This idea, you know, that there is a tri-unity within

0:46:47.659 --> 0:46:52.060
<v Speaker 2>the nature of God. So, you know, um, they, they

0:46:52.060 --> 0:46:56.899
<v Speaker 2>just think of a singular person can't be two or three.

0:46:57.219 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 2>It's just a singular person. So it's, it's just there

0:47:01.580 --> 0:47:04.449
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the, the, the idea of the Trinity is,

0:47:04.498 --> 0:47:05.919
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit hard to get your head around,

0:47:06.030 --> 0:47:06.469
<v Speaker 2>but

0:47:07.030 --> 0:47:11.790
<v Speaker 2>It's stated in scripture, so it's not necessary to fully

0:47:11.790 --> 0:47:15.989
<v Speaker 2>comprehend it. It's what's necessary is to believe what it says,

0:47:16.149 --> 0:47:20.630
<v Speaker 2>and there's, there's evidence everywhere that Jesus is, He is

0:47:20.748 --> 0:47:23.819
<v Speaker 2>the first and the last. He is God in the flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>Isaiah, thanks for calling

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<v Speaker 2>us

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<v Speaker 1>today. And now we'll talk to Laura in Upland listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Kwave. What's your question for us, Laura?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi there. Um, well, first I want to thank Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>for praying for me weeks ago. It happened the very

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<v Speaker 1>next day, so things were cleared up.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I also prayed today about something and it

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<v Speaker 1>happened right away this morning. And so, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know about the knowledge back in Genesis with Adam

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<v Speaker 1>and Eve before.

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<v Speaker 1>They sinned. God said, you know, don't eat from this

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<v Speaker 1>tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's the tree of life. And then, so if they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have any knowledge because they were naked and unashamed,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were unknowing, all they had to go on

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<v Speaker 1>was just listen to God, which is good, you know, obedience.

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<v Speaker 1>How would they know when the serpent came to him,

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<v Speaker 1>whether the serpent was lying to him or not? How

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<v Speaker 1>would they know anything because they didn't know anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I, I, they, they knew enough from what

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<v Speaker 2>God had shared with them because God is the one

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<v Speaker 2>who said, you know, do not eat of the tree

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<v Speaker 2>of the knowledge of good and evil there because in

0:48:32.979 --> 0:48:35.060
<v Speaker 2>the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there was an understanding for, for, for Adam,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to, when he received that, like this is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in a sense, this is, if I eat

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<v Speaker 2>of this fruit, this is in complete rebellion and disobedience,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to what the Lord had said.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so, um, and that's, that's what they had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's what they had to go off of.

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<v Speaker 2>And because of the temptation of the devil, uh, tempting Eve,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Bible says she saw the fruit that it

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<v Speaker 2>was good, you know, good to eat, and it was attractive,

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<v Speaker 2>and so she ate of it and, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she also gave to her husband, and when he ate,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when their eyes were opened to their sin and

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<v Speaker 2>to their shame, just as what God had said.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that sin would come in. Um, in other words, this, this,

0:49:20.219 --> 0:49:23.169
<v Speaker 2>you know, you shall surely die. This, this separation, death

0:49:23.169 --> 0:49:29.330
<v Speaker 2>was then entered into mankind, humankind, because of this rebellion. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the consequence of that, you know, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with now because of that rebellion towards the Lord.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think, Laura?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I, I was thinking that. I mean, we only

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<v Speaker 1>know from obedience, so we wouldn't have known anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, our eyes are open now, so we get

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<v Speaker 1>it now, but I'm just wondering how we wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>before just a serpent. The serpent really bothers me. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have to understand that, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis is not telling us everything that happened. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>giving us all the background, the detail.

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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't like this is all that happened and

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<v Speaker 2>this is all God said, and the day you eat

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<v Speaker 2>of it, you will, you will die. Um, you'll know

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<v Speaker 2>good and evil. And they're like, what does that mean? Die,

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<v Speaker 2>good and evil. So, obviously we would have to assume

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<v Speaker 2>that they had some knowledge of this. So God must

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<v Speaker 2>have instructed them, but the text doesn't tell us that

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<v Speaker 2>because the text is focusing on, you know, the event

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<v Speaker 2>rather than the background of the event.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for your phone call today on Pastor's Perspective. And

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<v Speaker 1>now here's Alisa in Ontario listening to us on the

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<v Speaker 1>KWave app. What's your question for us today, Alisa?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, um, I was just wondering, um, in First Timothy,

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<v Speaker 1>it says that women should not be teachers but to

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<v Speaker 1>be quietly learning and to be submissive.

0:50:58.959 --> 0:51:01.239
<v Speaker 1>And if you have any questions,

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<v Speaker 1>Um, to ask the, the, their husband. Um, in recent years,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been standing out more to me that women have

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<v Speaker 1>been teaching.

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<v Speaker 1>But there, there's some that aren't, um, rightly dividing God's word,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are, uh, women teachers who are rightly diviating

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<v Speaker 1>God's word. How does the scripture pertain to today's versus, um,

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<v Speaker 1>And, uh, versus the biblical, uh, days.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it's

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<v Speaker 1>Worth ending a friendship over and if there's great for

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<v Speaker 1>the women teachers. Ending a friendship. So are you friends

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<v Speaker 1>with a woman pastor, woman teacher, or is a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of yours for or in support of women pastors? What's

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<v Speaker 1>the story?

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<v Speaker 1>Um, I have a friend that's, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Against, um, women teachers, she's more legal, legalistic, legal, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanna say.

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<v Speaker 1>Hm

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<v Speaker 1>And

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<v Speaker 2>yeah, OK, yeah, this, this is a question that comes up, um,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fairly often these days, and, uh, as a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, Tommy and I were on a

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Zoom call the other day with some friends and

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<v Speaker 2>we were, we were talking about some of this. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the, the first thing to understand is

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<v Speaker 2>that whatever you believe about that passage, uh, you, you don't,

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<v Speaker 2>every Christian doesn't have to believe the exact same thing

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and you're, you're still a Christian and you're still,

0:52:56.780 --> 0:52:59.870
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the good graces of God. You know,

0:53:00.020 --> 0:53:03.540
<v Speaker 2>some people wanna make a, a bigger deal out of

0:53:03.540 --> 0:53:07.649
<v Speaker 2>certain issues and, and texts and I think is warranted.

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<v Speaker 2>In the scripture. So, the question is, um, what is

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<v Speaker 2>happening in 1 Timothy chapter 2, where Paul says, I

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<v Speaker 2>do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise

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<v Speaker 2>authority over men. So, I think the problem a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times is that you, you know, verse 12 is

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<v Speaker 2>the only verse that's read without a consideration of the

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<v Speaker 2>previous verses and the verses that follow. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the context of the statement and remember that

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<v Speaker 2>this was written.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, this wasn't written to us. This was written to, uh, Timothy,

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<v Speaker 2>who was leading a church in Ephesus, and there's something

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<v Speaker 2>very specific that is happening in that church that Paul

0:53:47.550 --> 0:53:50.999
<v Speaker 2>is addressing. And I think if we recognize that Paul

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<v Speaker 2>is addressing something very specific, then we realize, OK, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a random like, hey, we don't want women teaching,

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<v Speaker 2>we just want men doing it. Um, there's a reason

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<v Speaker 2>why he's saying what he's saying. And it seems to

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<v Speaker 2>me

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<v Speaker 2>That he's saying what he's saying because there is a

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<v Speaker 2>group of women in this congregation who are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like hijack the church. That's what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's telling Timothy, don't let that happen. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he goes on and he explains some things that are

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<v Speaker 2>still for even scholars today, they don't know exactly why

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<v Speaker 2>Paul said some of the things he said at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>he talks about women being saved in childbirth, and he

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<v Speaker 2>talks about Eve and

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so there's like, OK, why, why is he

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<v Speaker 2>saying that? And frankly, we don't know for sure. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish he would have just said this is why I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying this for you guys 2000 years ago or 2000

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<v Speaker 2>years from now. This is, this is what it would

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<v Speaker 2>be extremely extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Extremely, extremely clear. And, you know, I also think that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is not, this is not something to

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<v Speaker 2>lose a friendship over either. You know, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>like an essential thing to where you lose a friendship

0:54:56.564 --> 0:54:58.685
<v Speaker 2>over and say, OK, you know what, just because you

0:54:58.685 --> 0:55:01.844
<v Speaker 2>believe a certain way or, you know, you're you're, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is your, you know, this is what you believe. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. I can't be your friend no more. That's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's the right thing either, you know, um,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's, and there's two different positions where, you know,

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:19.330
<v Speaker 2>people are OK with, you know, women being pastors and, and,

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<v Speaker 2>or women teaching and communicating because they are gifted, you know,

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:27.600
<v Speaker 2>God does gift people and then there's another group, you know, of,

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<v Speaker 2>of people who take the position where, no, a woman

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<v Speaker 2>is not allowed to preach and to teach, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we, there should be any division over those things,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, um, because, you know, friendships matter.

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<v Speaker 2>And, and, and so I would encourage you to.

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<v Speaker 2>To sew into your friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>Amen.

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<v Speaker 1>Alyssa, thank you so much for your phone call today

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<v Speaker 1>on Pastor's Perspective, and we're out of time, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be here again tomorrow between 3 and 4. Pastor Brian

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<v Speaker 1>will be here tomorrow. Tommy Coda, thanks for joining us again, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep your phone on because we might be calling you

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<v Speaker 1>again soon here on Pastor's Perspective.