Speaker 1: Hey, hello. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez. I'm
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Speaker 1: introduce him, and we've also got author and apologist Doctor
Speaker 1: Bobby Conway, the pastor of Image Church in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Hello. Well, hello. That was a long intro. I'm out
Speaker 1: of breath.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bit long-winded, and about the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, where is he going? I agree. Well, I was
Speaker 1: kind of distracted, you know, having to put my own
Speaker 1: equipment together here and no respect around this place, you know,
Speaker 1: for pastor emeritus just.
Speaker 1: Gotta do everything yourself. Yeah, well, you know, you're not
Speaker 1: the lead guy anymore. Yeah, I know. I mean, it's obvious.
Speaker 1: People are just crying like, what are you doing here? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you work here? What's your name?
Speaker 1: Uh, just having fun. Bobby, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing really good. Yeah, good. I think it's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's been a nice day and just, uh, launched our
Speaker 1: product line at pondermerch.com. And so that's pretty cool. We've got, uh,
Speaker 1: 5 t-shirts and 5 canvases now available, uh, that correlate
Speaker 1: to the drawings and so I designed our logo for Ponder.
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, a lot of fun, looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing this clothing line.
Speaker 1: Uh, and slapping the art on there, so we'll see
Speaker 1: how it comes together.
Speaker 1: Cool, very nice. pondermerch.com. And uh so, so what kind
Speaker 1: of products are they? T-shirts or yeah, so t-shirts and canvas.
Speaker 1: So nice. It's the whole idea is the graphite apologist
Speaker 1: puts out these short videos of long drawings with a
Speaker 1: Hopefully meaningful message and then the art that I drew
Speaker 1: turns into t-shirt and canvas at ponder, and the idea
Speaker 1: behind ponder is it's art that we want you to
Speaker 1: think about that has a meaning, not just something cool.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of two things I'm launching at once
Speaker 1: graphite apologist and ponder.
Speaker 1: So the tortured soul, um.
Speaker 1: Is that your favorite one, Brian?
Speaker 1: That was just a product of my brain. I just
Speaker 1: envisioned a tortured soul with just a bunch of mental
Speaker 1: mental pictures. Yeah, that was on mental health awareness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's um.
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. Pretty, yeah, got some today that we're done,
Speaker 1: 5 done today, 1 on CS Lewis, 1 on.
Speaker 1: Um, Socrates, one on Soaring Kierkegaard, and then a few others,
Speaker 1: one coming up on, oh, another one on CS Lewis.
Speaker 1: So I'll be doing a lot of stuff. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do Augustine. You'll like this, Brian, so you know, Augustine
Speaker 1: of Hippo. So I'm gonna do a drawing of Saint Augustine,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have him riding a hippo as he's
Speaker 1: leading the city of man headed toward the city of
Speaker 1: God while he's reading his confessions.
Speaker 1: I'll, I'll take that one. That'll be good. And what,
Speaker 1: what's the Lewis one look like? Is it just, uh,
Speaker 1: like a portrait, like a facial? Um, yeah, the CS
Speaker 1: Lewis one is.
Speaker 1: Well, it's on my graphite apologist one, but it's, it's
Speaker 1: not up as the actual video. It's basically what I
Speaker 1: did is I, I created Aslan and I put Aslan
Speaker 1: at a desk and then behind the desk is all
Speaker 1: these books, but then it's the desk of CS Lewis,
Speaker 1: and so he's Aslan sitting there and drawing.
Speaker 1: Very cool. That's good. Oh yeah, I see it. I see.
Speaker 1: I see it at the desk, yes, next, next to
Speaker 1: Francis Schaffer. Next to Francis Schaffer. That's right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: those will all be shirts too. I just, we only
Speaker 1: released 5, but the Francis Schaffer one will be up and, uh,
Speaker 1: so yeah, be, be fun. I don't know what's too
Speaker 1: many products to put out, but you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there's, uh, this is, this is cool stuff. I
Speaker 1: got a.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's on Bobby's rap Topologist YouTube channel. You just
Speaker 1: need to get a t-shirt for everybody in the Calvary
Speaker 1: network as a gift from you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's Winston playing the guitar. I just saw that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 1: Very cool. All right. I like it. 888-564-6173 is the
Speaker 1: number to call us today here on Pastor's Perspective, and
Speaker 1: let's start with a question that was sent in online.
Speaker 1: This is from Evan who called in, you might remember Brian,
Speaker 1: this past Friday. He had a question about, um, mediums, and, uh,
Speaker 1: he also had a follow up regarding spirits. Can people
Speaker 1: who passed.
Speaker 1: Are there spirits around us and can they communicate?
Speaker 1: No, no, OK, that was easy. Next question. Well, that would,
Speaker 1: that would be uh
Speaker 1: You know, like a ghost, and there, there's no.
Speaker 1: There's nothing in scripture that, now, of course, in scripture,
Speaker 1: we do have spirits, yes, but they're not the spirits
Speaker 1: of people. So, a a person's spirit, when the person's
Speaker 1: spirit leaves the body, the person's spirit goes to
Speaker 1: Whatever
Speaker 1: Depending on their, their position with God, that kind of
Speaker 1: determines where they go, but they're in
Speaker 1: They're in that place, be it heaven or be it
Speaker 1: um hell, and they're not able to reaccess the the
Speaker 1: this realm. So, so the spirits that can access this
Speaker 1: realm are not human spirits, but what we would call demons,
Speaker 1: demonic spirits. Bobby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would add that
Speaker 1: If somebody has had an experience where they feel like
Speaker 1: a loved one maybe has shown up to them, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't, um, question the fact that somebody had an experience.
Speaker 1: I question the source of the experience. So I do
Speaker 1: believe that the demonic realm, uh, they can, you know,
Speaker 1: appear as an angel of light and bring about deception.
Speaker 1: So it's not unthinkable to think that demons could mimic.
Speaker 1: Something um of a loved one, and that's just for
Speaker 1: the purpose of confusing theology, of creating, you know, a
Speaker 1: sense of, you know, belief that you can talk to
Speaker 1: the dead. I mean, I, I talked to a lady
Speaker 1: last week that she's talking to a loved one that's
Speaker 1: passed on and convinced there's something going on there.
Speaker 1: And I think as Christians that we have to put
Speaker 1: what we see in the scriptures ahead of our experience.
Speaker 1: So if you lose a loved one, and you feel
Speaker 1: convinced that your loved one's communicating with you.
Speaker 1: Well, we're up against the problem because the Bible forbids necromancy. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Bible lets us know very clearly that, you know,
Speaker 1: our loved ones aren't interacting with us. So what do
Speaker 1: we do with that experience? Well, we would go to
Speaker 1: the scriptures and we would see that, you know, to
Speaker 1: be absent from the bodies to be present with the
Speaker 1: Lord if someone's a believer, but we would recognize that
Speaker 1: even the evil one could do something.
Speaker 1: And you might feel good and think, well, how in
Speaker 1: the world, you know, could a demon make me feel
Speaker 1: good like I'm connecting with a loved one. Well, if
Speaker 1: it means that you start to compromise scripture by putting
Speaker 1: experiences over
Speaker 1: The truth, then we played right into his hand.
Speaker 1: Any other thoughts, Brian?
Speaker 1: Uh, well, yes and no. I mean, I, I think
Speaker 1: just that this is real stuff, and I think we
Speaker 1: need to keep that in mind and we need to,
Speaker 1: as we, as we both have said, we need to
Speaker 1: make sure that we're understanding the spirit world.
Speaker 1: Through the biblical lens because like, like Bobby says, you know,
Speaker 1: there are people who do have these experiences and they
Speaker 1: can become emotionally attached to one of these kinds of experiences,
Speaker 1: but in doing that, they're, they're setting themselves up, you know, demons, they,
Speaker 1: they're on a mission. They're not benign. They're not just
Speaker 1: gonna show up and.
Speaker 1: Make you feel better because you miss your loved one.
Speaker 1: They have an agenda and the agenda is destructive. So
Speaker 1: I think, um, but sometimes they like, like Bobby referred
Speaker 1: to the passage from Paul and Corinthians, um, Satan transforms
Speaker 1: himself into an angel of light and, and then Paul
Speaker 1: goes on to say, and so it's no.
Speaker 1: Um, big surprise that his ministers will do the same thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, did you ever listen to the podcast, The
Speaker 1: Exorcist Files?
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 1: I still think if you went back to season one,
Speaker 1: it's just so you know how like Justin Briley like
Speaker 1: or Dixon, just the production is so through the roof.
Speaker 1: It is, it is the production levels insane and I
Speaker 1: think on like Spotify, it was the number one download
Speaker 1: for a while there, but they just came out with
Speaker 1: a new season.
Speaker 1: And the stories, uh, they're just, they're, they're mesmerizing. I,
Speaker 1: I don't think we would agree with everything, uh, coming
Speaker 1: out of it, but I did find it really, really, um,
Speaker 1: just intriguing to listen to. You know, I was listening to, um, did,
Speaker 1: did you ever listen to the Devil in the Deep
Speaker 1: Blue Sea podcast?
Speaker 1: No. So somebody just mentioned that to me the other
Speaker 1: day and it was or it is a podcast done
Speaker 1: by Mike Cosper and remember Mike was the one who
Speaker 1: did the uh the Mars Hill podcast. um, so it's
Speaker 1: one of those kind of long form documentary things, but
Speaker 1: he was dealing with the subject of demonization, demon possession,
Speaker 1: and he, he actually had a um.
Speaker 1: He, he had a recording of a so-called exorcism of
Speaker 1: being led by um
Speaker 1: Oh, what was his name? Larson, Bob Larson. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember that name. Yeah, uh, boy, that
Speaker 1: guy's still going and he's, it's as kooky as ever.
Speaker 1: I was shocked, you know, because it's gotta be, gotta
Speaker 1: be in his 80s, but I mean, you know, they're
Speaker 1: supposedly casting out this demon and it was just wild.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were actually casting out a demon.
Speaker 1: I think it was all, uh, fabricated, but, um, but anyway,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, 81 years old, look at that.
Speaker 1: My goodness, he's still around, still around, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call us today.
Speaker 1: And Darnell, we're gonna go to you after I read
Speaker 1: one more question that was sent in online. This one
Speaker 1: is from Graciela from Anaheim. I reconciled with the Lord
Speaker 1: eight years ago after walking away for 20 years from church.
Speaker 1: During that time, I was an addict to meth, and
Speaker 1: I now have schizophrenia.
Speaker 1: Now I serve the Lord a church, yet I struggle
Speaker 1: so bad with sinful thoughts, and I'm not being guided
Speaker 1: from the Holy Spirit. My question is, the Lord delivered
Speaker 1: me from addiction and alcohol. Why doesn't he help me
Speaker 1: in renewing my mind? Bobby, what do you tell Graciela?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I do think it probably depends on
Speaker 1: the nature of what one is struggling with. Um, uh,
Speaker 1: let's just say it has to do with lust. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, there can be all sorts of connections that, uh, relationally, uh,
Speaker 1: you get connected to and it can be a deeper
Speaker 1: form of attachment that you struggled with. So,
Speaker 1: Uh, it, it, I don't think it's a God won't
Speaker 1: deliver you. Um, it could just be that this is
Speaker 1: the harder one of the different addictions that you may
Speaker 1: have struggled with to deal with. Uh, you know, let's
Speaker 1: just say it's lust. We don't know what the issue is,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to speak directly to it. Well, she
Speaker 1: said it was schizophrenia. That's what she has after all
Speaker 1: those years of doing.
Speaker 1: Meth. She now has schizophrenia, so she's wondering why the
Speaker 1: Lord won't, uh, OK, renew her mind. Yeah, that's, that's,
Speaker 1: that's kind of a mental health issue that it's different. Like,
Speaker 1: for example, you take um some of the addiction that
Speaker 1: you've found freedom in. Well, there's freedom in Christ to
Speaker 1: overcome that, but when it comes to something like schizophrenia,
Speaker 1: this is a mental health issue that requires, um, God
Speaker 1: to do. We can't just heal ourselves from.
Speaker 1: You know, having some of these type of, um, mental
Speaker 1: health issues in and of ourselves. So yes, God can
Speaker 1: show up and heal somebody that's an addict, but if
Speaker 1: somebody has MS or, uh, Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or schizophrenia
Speaker 1: or borderline personality disorder, I mean, you, you can do
Speaker 1: the work to help keep it at bay as best
Speaker 1: as you can.
Speaker 1: Uh, but here's the thing that's different when you're acting
Speaker 1: out in addiction and drugs and just burying yourself, there's
Speaker 1: a violation there. When you're struggling with a true mental
Speaker 1: health condition like schizophrenia, uh, you know, it could be
Speaker 1: that maybe some of the drugs or whatever contributed.
Speaker 1: To the cause of that, but not maybe even exclusively,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that you're in a sense sinning
Speaker 1: against God if you're suffering from some type of a
Speaker 1: mental health issue in your life. And so the key
Speaker 1: is how do you glorify Him with this and how
Speaker 1: do you become informed so that you um aren't incapacitated
Speaker 1: by it? Those would be just a few thoughts. Brian.
Speaker 1: Well,
Speaker 1: Yeah, and, and I think too there are.
Speaker 1: Some situations that we are just having to, to live
Speaker 1: with and and battle through by the grace of God.
Speaker 1: He, he gives us the
Speaker 1: The strength and the grace that we need to to persevere, but, um,
Speaker 1: because the question is why hasn't God taken us away?
Speaker 1: And um,
Speaker 1: You know, there, there could be some uh damage, irreversible
Speaker 1: damage that was done by the drugs that does happen
Speaker 1: at times. And yet I think by God's mercy, we
Speaker 1: do have medications and things these days that can stabilize
Speaker 1: people with schizophrenia and allow them to live, you know,
Speaker 1: a somewhat normal life, but of course you've always got
Speaker 1: the issues of
Speaker 1: The obsessive thoughts and things like that that can come
Speaker 1: and sometimes even voices and that.
Speaker 1: And I've known so many people over the years and
Speaker 1: years of ministry that have battled with this and.
Speaker 1: And a lot of them have had the same question,
Speaker 1: why hasn't the Lord healed me? And we don't know
Speaker 1: the answer to that, but it, I mean, it is
Speaker 1: a it is an, uh, it's a legitimate ailment of
Speaker 1: of physiological nature. It's not like, you know, like mental
Speaker 1: illness sometimes is.
Speaker 1: It's kind of, um, even when you talk about mental illness,
Speaker 1: it's almost like well the mind's intangible, the mind is
Speaker 1: non-material so then you sort of think of mental illness as.
Speaker 1: Not related to you and your body, but of course
Speaker 1: your brain and your mind are in some way related.
Speaker 1: Nobody understands exactly what the relationship is, but, but the
Speaker 1: way your body works will affect the way your your
Speaker 1: brain works and the way your brain works will, will
Speaker 1: affect the way you think and and so forth. So
Speaker 1: all of that to just say that don't, don't be
Speaker 1: discouraged that you haven't been healed.
Speaker 1: Know that the Lord has
Speaker 1: He's embraced you as his own. He's obviously forgiven your sins,
Speaker 1: he's restored you on many levels and just keep trusting
Speaker 1: him for the grace that he will give you to,
Speaker 1: to make it a kind of one day at a time,
Speaker 1: a really good friend in the UK who.
Speaker 1: Uh, battled with severe mental illness for many years and
Speaker 1: came to faith and then, um, the Lord did a
Speaker 1: lot to, to bring him to a fairly normal living experience,
Speaker 1: but he had lapses at times and, and one of
Speaker 1: the things that happens a lot of times with people
Speaker 1: who are on medication for mental illness is they.
Speaker 1: They feel guilty that they're taking medication. They feel like, well,
Speaker 1: if I had more faith, God would probably heal me,
Speaker 1: so I shouldn't be on this medication. So they go
Speaker 1: off of their medication and then their symptoms, uh, their,
Speaker 1: their symptoms come back, you know, sometimes with a vengeance,
Speaker 1: and this, this happened to him a few times. I
Speaker 1: remember where he was very stable, doing great.
Speaker 1: Still had his struggles, but he coped and lived relatively
Speaker 1: normal life and then he would decide, oh, I, I
Speaker 1: can't be on these meds. I need, I need to
Speaker 1: get off these and he'd go off of them and
Speaker 1: then next thing you know, he's walking down the middle
Speaker 1: of the street naked, you know, and stuff like that. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, again, thank God for.
Speaker 1: Good people in the medical world, the psychiatrist who understand
Speaker 1: these things and can help people, um, but
Speaker 1: Thank God for His grace to that even sustains us
Speaker 1: even though there's not a complete healing and there might
Speaker 1: never be, but there could be, um, you know, Brian
Speaker 1: Wilson died last week of the Beach Boys and he
Speaker 1: battled with mental illness for many years. It was drug
Speaker 1: induced probably the majority of it, um, but he battled
Speaker 1: through it and he came through.
Speaker 1: The other side and lived again, you know, a, a
Speaker 1: fairly normal life. So, um, but you have the Lord
Speaker 1: and he's with you and and he's helping you and just,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a day at a time Bobby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be kind of like if again.
Speaker 1: Mental health issues like Brian said, can be induced through
Speaker 1: drug use. In particular, schizophrenia, if there was cocaine or
Speaker 1: LSD usage, if somebody has a genetic predisposition, um, toward
Speaker 1: that kind of thing that is, um, you know, Alzheimer and, and, and, and, um,
Speaker 1: or schizophrenia, excuse me, in the parent's history, uh, that
Speaker 1: can kind of trigger that quicker.
Speaker 1: Uh, but then it comes to like, let's say somebody
Speaker 1: struggled with cutting their physical body, and they become a
Speaker 1: believer and God delivered them from cutting, but it, it
Speaker 1: would be kind of equivalent to saying like, well, why
Speaker 1: doesn't God, you know, remove my scars? I mean, he
Speaker 1: delivered me from cutting. Well, those are scars from the
Speaker 1: past and sometimes drug use leads to scarring and and it.
Speaker 1: And it's something that you go, OK, I got to
Speaker 1: figure out how to make the most of this. What
Speaker 1: can I do to, to live in this? And so
Speaker 1: just as sometimes people can cut and then they have
Speaker 1: these scars and they're delivered from that, um, use this
Speaker 1: as an example if it was drug induced to help others, um,
Speaker 1: you know, to stay away from it, to know what
Speaker 1: the consequences can be if if it's used in, in,
Speaker 1: in the kind of extremes that can produce something like that.
Speaker 1: Graciela, thank you for sending in, I should say Graciela
Speaker 1: Gracias for sending in your question, uh, through the Kwave.com
Speaker 1: pastor's perspective page, and now we're gonna go to the
Speaker 1: phones 888-564-6173. We will start with Darnell in Fullerton. Hi there, Darnell,
Speaker 1: thanks for calling in today.
Speaker 2: Hey, may Christ bless all three of you. Likewise.
Speaker 2: Regarding Isaiah, I'm sorry, Ezekiel 33:6, I realized that this
Speaker 2: was written 23 1000 years ago. I was just wondering, um,
Speaker 2: how does this apply to us today and who is
Speaker 2: the watchman in 2025?
Speaker 1: Brian, what's say to you?
Speaker 1: Well, I
Speaker 1: I don't
Speaker 1: I think um we have an equivalent.
Speaker 1: Of that today, um, of course, Ezekiel was a prophet, uh,
Speaker 1: directed by the Lord to prophesy concerning, uh, the nation
Speaker 1: of Judah. And so, you know, there are certain things
Speaker 1: there that were just very specific to him and his calling.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that they're necessarily transferable.
Speaker 1: Um
Speaker 1: That the kind of prophetic ministry that Ezekiel had, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know that we have those kinds of prophetic
Speaker 1: ministries today where people are talking about a judgment that's
Speaker 1: coming or uh details about in times events and things,
Speaker 1: you know, we have, we have a lot of scripture
Speaker 1: and we have hints and indicators about, you know, what
Speaker 1: things will look like, but whenever anybody gets
Speaker 1: Down to trying to get really specific about uh this
Speaker 1: is what God told me and this is what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen and there's going to be a judgment here, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be an earthquake there and uh uh a massive
Speaker 1: tsunami is gonna come and wipe this out, you know,
Speaker 1: because these things have been predicted, but they don't, they
Speaker 1: never happen. So I don't, I don't know that there
Speaker 1: is such um
Speaker 1: An appointment by God to people with that kind of
Speaker 1: ministry today. I think in what we call the tribulation period,
Speaker 1: there will be that, and we know that there are
Speaker 1: going to be two witnesses that will prophesy in Jerusalem, uh,
Speaker 1: during the tribulation period, and I think that they will be, uh,
Speaker 1: they will be once again like the prophets of old.
Speaker 1: So Bobby, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean, if you're teaching this passage,
Speaker 1: you want to be faithful to the original context and
Speaker 1: Ezekiel being the watchman, he's sent by God to warn
Speaker 1: the people of coming judgment and how to kind of
Speaker 1: get around that, right? When it comes to an application level,
Speaker 1: if I was teaching through this chapter.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to say that we have the same message,
Speaker 1: but I would say something like, all of us, um,
Speaker 1: have warnings that we have to offer and sometimes God
Speaker 1: calls you to be a watchman in someone else's life
Speaker 1: and you might need to
Speaker 1: Somebody, uh, needs to hear the gospel, and they need
Speaker 1: to be warned, uh, of, of what it looks like
Speaker 1: to reject him or you know, it can play out, um,
Speaker 1: you know, with the spouse warning their husband or wife
Speaker 1: that if they don't change their behavior, it's going to
Speaker 1: lead to consequences or warning your kids. So there's an
Speaker 1: element where all of us have to be willing to
Speaker 1: be God's watchman, the message looks different.
Speaker 1: Uh, I guess today we share the gospel to warn people.
Speaker 1: We're sort of watchmen in that way, but then as
Speaker 1: Pastor Brian said, you'll see more of that crystallize in
Speaker 1: the escaton. Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 1: I'm, I'm listening to this, um, history on, um, Savonarola,
Speaker 1: and some, some people would know that name. Savonarola was a, uh,
Speaker 1: 15th century, um,
Speaker 1: Reformer, like, like a, a Catholic uh friar who became
Speaker 1: a reformer who was um
Speaker 1: Considered to be.
Speaker 1: Very prophetic and he was um he was in the
Speaker 1: city of Florence at the time and he was predicting
Speaker 1: judgment and doom and the French army is gonna come
Speaker 1: and all of this, some of which did happen, but
Speaker 1: at the same time he was also included in that
Speaker 1: the return of Jesus and you know, very detailed descriptions
Speaker 1: about the the wrath of God and the judgment that
Speaker 1: Jesus was going to bring when he came and so forth.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, the, the places where it seemed
Speaker 1: like he might have been getting a few things right
Speaker 1: in the big picture, he was getting a ton of
Speaker 1: it wrong. And, um, you know, so and I think
Speaker 1: this is what happens he was all involved in the
Speaker 1: politics of, of the, the city at the time and
Speaker 1: and and I think when when you get into that
Speaker 1: place like, like today, if we were to start.
Speaker 1: Saying things very specifically about world leaders and you know
Speaker 1: this world leader is, is, is this and he's a
Speaker 1: type of the antichrist and he's gonna do this and
Speaker 1: this nation's gonna do that and you know, Israel's gonna
Speaker 1: and and some people do, they cross over the boundary
Speaker 1: and they start speaking like they are an Old Testament prophet.
Speaker 1: And yet it always has proven over and over again
Speaker 1: that um they weren't because the things that they say
Speaker 1: uh ultimately don't happen. And so that's where you
Speaker 1: See that uh people can really get carried away with
Speaker 1: some of this, and especially if you get an audience
Speaker 1: and people are listening and they want to hear more
Speaker 1: than you, you just keep going further down that road.
Speaker 1: And what better way to get an audience than to
Speaker 1: upload videos on YouTube? I mean, that's what people do
Speaker 1: nowadays and then they got all these followers and crazy stuff, man, Darnell.
Speaker 1: Thank you for calling us today on Pastor's Perspective. Gonna
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Speaker 1: of your questions. Pastor Brian, tell us about the conference
Speaker 1: going on at Calvary Chapel or the Calvary Chapel conference
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Speaker 1: be happening next week, as a matter of fact, 22nd
Speaker 1: through the 25th.
Speaker 1: At Reliance Church in Temecula, California, the Way Forward ministry
Speaker 1: according to Jesus, it's going to be a great time
Speaker 1: of encouragement for all of those who attend, uh, who
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Speaker 1: looking to encourage everybody who's serving in whatever capacity. So, conference.
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Speaker 1: Christian faith at 888-564-6173. Jack and Laine from Costa Mesa,
Speaker 1: California are on the line, and they've got a question
Speaker 1: for Brian Broderson and Bobby Conway. Welcome folks to Pastor's Perspective.
Speaker 1: Hi, pastors, um, the passage that we're, that we're, uh,
Speaker 1: been reading and, and, in hopes that you could, uh,
Speaker 1: shed some light on and possibly even pray with us
Speaker 1: is James 5:14 through 16.
Speaker 1: Um, and it's are, are any among you sick, they,
Speaker 1: they should call the elders of the church and have
Speaker 1: them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the
Speaker 1: name of the Lord. And their prayer offered in faith
Speaker 1: will heal the sick, and the Lord will make them well.
Speaker 1: And anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. Confess
Speaker 1: your sins to each other and pray for each other
Speaker 1: so that you may be healed. The earnest prayer of
Speaker 1: a righteous person has great power and wonderful results. And
Speaker 1: so we just found out today that my wife Leine
Speaker 1: um tested positive for breast cancer.
Speaker 1: So, we're um on lean on the Lord and um
Speaker 1: And so we just wanted your thoughts and possibly um
Speaker 1: I mean I have some olive oil, I mean uh
Speaker 1: possibly some prayer, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, absolutely you can, and I'm sure you,
Speaker 1: you will pray for your wife, but the passage is
Speaker 1: is speaking of um going to the church leadership, the
Speaker 1: spirit spiritual leaders of the church.
Speaker 1: And asking them to do that, um, kind of officially,
Speaker 1: you know, coming and just we would like to be
Speaker 1: anointed with oil. My wife has been diagnosed with breast cancer.
Speaker 1: Would you pray for her? And then the elders of
Speaker 1: the church, so the elders would be the spiritual leaders
Speaker 1: of the church, the pastors would be the way we
Speaker 1: would normally refer to it today, um, and that's what
Speaker 1: James is instructing, uh, the, the sick to do.
Speaker 1: Hm. I got you. Our church.
Speaker 1: My church is, um, we, we have, uh, an online
Speaker 1: thread where we read a chapter a day. It's like
Speaker 1: 12 of us. And yeah, the pastors in there, um,
Speaker 1: but we don't have a physical church that we go to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're a part of the church, but we don't go
Speaker 1: to a building. Yeah. Or do you connect with those folks, um,
Speaker 1: other than online? Do you guys ever meet up anywhere
Speaker 1: or anything like that?
Speaker 1: Uh, no, but we're real close to you guys, and,
Speaker 1: and I have a church building that I used to
Speaker 1: go to, and, uh, and I am a part of
Speaker 1: their ministry. Yeah. One of the trees, and so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll reach out to them and just let them know
Speaker 1: that you'd like to come in and receive prayer and
Speaker 1: I'm sure they would love to pray for you, pray
Speaker 1: for your wife.
Speaker 1: OK, and so they're, they're speaking of physical members of
Speaker 1: the church, right, yeah, OK.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can we pray for the Dean?
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. Lord, we do pray for Ladine and we
Speaker 1: know that this.
Speaker 1: This news, um, comes with a, with a jolt, and
Speaker 1: so we pray for your peace to be upon her,
Speaker 1: and we pray for wisdom and how to proceed and
Speaker 1: we pray for healing, we pray for your touch. And
Speaker 1: so Lord, open up that door for the elders of
Speaker 1: the church to be able to anoint her and to
Speaker 1: pray for her. But Lord, thank you that we don't
Speaker 1: have to do that.
Speaker 1: That you hear our prayers as we lift them up
Speaker 1: to you any time and any place. So we're praying
Speaker 1: today that you would touch and minister to Ludin in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 1: Jesus.
Speaker 1: Amen. Thank you for calling in, Jack, and if everyone
Speaker 1: listening can keep Laine and Jack in your prayers, that'd
Speaker 1: be great. Now, let's talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: anointing oil. Does it have, I mean, what is it about?
Speaker 1: And what kind of oil, like Jack mentioned, olive oil.
Speaker 1: I mean, is there some kind of, what is it?
Speaker 1: Because before people run out to the stores and buy
Speaker 1: olive oil, thinking it's going to cure everything, uh, explain
Speaker 1: the significance.
Speaker 1: Well, there's different opinions about this, you know, um, and Bobby,
Speaker 1: jump in anytime you want, uh, you know, some, some
Speaker 1: people saw this, uh, you know, the good, good Christian, um,
Speaker 1: Bible teachers would have different perspectives on it. So somebody
Speaker 1: like Jay Vernon McGee, who most people have heard on
Speaker 1: this radio station for many, many years, he would look
Speaker 1: at this as the oil was medicinal. And so this
Speaker 1: was something that was going to
Speaker 1: Um, you know, the properties in the, in the oil
Speaker 1: were going to lend to the healing of the person.
Speaker 1: So he wasn't looking at this as, um, there was
Speaker 1: a miraculous healing that was gonna take place. It's very,
Speaker 1: very practical. And, and yet others, of course, would see
Speaker 1: it as, you know, something supernatural is gonna occur, the
Speaker 1: oil is symbolic, say, of the Holy Spirit, doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what kind of oil it is, doesn't specify. In those days,
Speaker 1: of course, it would have been olive oil, um.
Speaker 1: So, but the oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 1: so it's symbolic of the spirit coming upon a person,
Speaker 1: the elders are laying their hands on them, so it's,
Speaker 1: you know, the idea is that you're being touched by
Speaker 1: God through this and and healed through this. And of course,
Speaker 1: I've done this many, many times, and Bobby's done this, and,
Speaker 1: you know, as pastors, we have anointed many people with
Speaker 1: oil and prayed for them.
Speaker 1: The tricky part of the passage is um kind of
Speaker 1: what appears to be uh the promise of healing. So
Speaker 1: the prayer of faith will save the sick and the
Speaker 1: Lord will raise him up. So,
Speaker 1: We've all also had the experience of laying hands on
Speaker 1: people and putting oil on them and praying for them
Speaker 1: and them not recovering. So that's the challenge. OK, so what,
Speaker 1: what is James saying here? And that's why Bobby gets
Speaker 1: answered that part of the question because he is the
Speaker 1: great doctor. That's right, doctor, doctor Bobby. I thought you
Speaker 1: answered it great, you know, but what about the same thing?
Speaker 1: I'm like some people say medicinal, some people believe.
Speaker 1: But there was something special to it. But what do
Speaker 1: we do? But what do we do with the seeming
Speaker 1: sort of almost guarantee in the, in the, you know,
Speaker 1: language that's used there.
Speaker 1: Well, I do think that I look at that like
Speaker 1: I would the Book of Proverbs. Um, the book of
Speaker 1: James is called the New Testament, uh, Proverbs, and the
Speaker 1: book of Proverbs, it's a mistake to take all of
Speaker 1: those proverbs as promises. Though you can, um, read it
Speaker 1: like that, they're almost like, I mean, Proverbs is wisdom
Speaker 1: and James is wisdom.
Speaker 1: Uh, I believe that if God is in it to heal,
Speaker 1: then the faith will do that very thing. But you
Speaker 1: think of James, for example, uh, we know that he
Speaker 1: died a martyr's death, or we think of Paul the Apostle.
Speaker 1: And he had his own, you know, thorn in the flesh.
Speaker 1: We know that Timothy, the pastor of Ephesus, struggled with
Speaker 1: stomach issues. So this is not a guarantee for praying
Speaker 1: away all sickness. In other words, that would be a
Speaker 1: real problem because we know that the reason that there's,
Speaker 1: you know, sickness is because of the fall, and
Speaker 1: Faith, no matter how much faith we have, we're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to faith away all sickness this
Speaker 1: side of heaven. But when God is in it for
Speaker 1: His glory to heal and faith meets him with trust,
Speaker 1: the healing will be accomplished. But it's still not because
Speaker 1: of that person's faith, it's ultimately because of what God
Speaker 1: did and God even gives the faith.
Speaker 1: So he gets all the glory. Yeah, yeah, and, and
Speaker 1: some have thought, and I, I think there could be
Speaker 1: something to this, that the prayer of faith is.
Speaker 1: The same thing as Paul talks about in Romans chapter 12,
Speaker 1: the gift of faith, where this is not faith that
Speaker 1: we have that saves us, but it's a special gift
Speaker 1: of faith at the moment that God gives where there's
Speaker 1: a certainty to the outcome rather than, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not, we're not sure where this is gonna go. And,
Speaker 1: and so the gift of faith is like, um, faith
Speaker 1: for the extraordinary, I think is a way that we could.
Speaker 1: We could define it. And I know that um I've
Speaker 1: experienced at times the, the gift of faith where God
Speaker 1: had just given me faith to know.
Speaker 1: That this particular thing was
Speaker 1: Going to certainly um happen the way we had asked
Speaker 1: for it to happen, you know, so often when we're praying, we're,
Speaker 1: you know, we're praying in faith, but we're praying with
Speaker 1: the Lord. We don't really know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We hope, hope you're gonna do this, but when the
Speaker 1: gift of faith is in action, there's like a certainty
Speaker 1: to it, you know, it's not, we're wondering, uh, if
Speaker 1: this is gonna go this way or not. We, God
Speaker 1: gives that faith to know that.
Speaker 1: The healing is gonna come. So, and some have thought
Speaker 1: that maybe that's the answer to the question of what,
Speaker 1: what is the prayer of faith.
Speaker 1: The important thing is to pray. There might be even
Speaker 1: people who are listening thinking, well, maybe that's why there's
Speaker 1: so much sickness in the world and in the church
Speaker 1: nowadays because there's not enough of an emphasis on prayer,
Speaker 1: especially like this, where you actually go to the elders
Speaker 1: of the church and they anoint you with oil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I think, you know, I, I do think
Speaker 1: that we should, we should be more inclined toward that.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times we, you know, we
Speaker 1: have modern medicine and so the natural go to is
Speaker 1: I got to go to the doctor, aspirin and call me, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's fine too, but we should.
Speaker 1: Start with prayer and see where we go from there.
Speaker 1: Uh prayer, um, in these moments, it, it's kind of tricky, um,
Speaker 1: when it comes to somebody asking because you want to
Speaker 1: pray believing.
Speaker 1: And then yet, there's a part of you that's, you've
Speaker 1: been in ministry a while, you've been a Christian for
Speaker 1: a while, and you also are aware of so many
Speaker 1: people that had greater faith than maybe yourself, right? That
Speaker 1: you can think as you reflect on your own prayer
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 1: You realize that these prayers weren't answered, so I, I
Speaker 1: struggle with like that tension, you know, how do you
Speaker 1: deal with that, Brian, when you're praying?
Speaker 1: And you know that you believe God can heal, but
Speaker 1: then closing out the prayer, but if you so desire
Speaker 1: not to heal, we trust you anyway. And then that
Speaker 1: almost sounds like a faith cop out, but it's, it
Speaker 1: feels like faith either way to me. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: and some people would say if you, if you include, uh,
Speaker 1: your will be done, that right there is a lack
Speaker 1: of faith, you know, you just, you just.
Speaker 1: He demonstrated that he don't really have faith. Well, Jesus
Speaker 1: said in his prayer, not my will but yours be done.
Speaker 1: So I think we're on good ground to say, uh, nevertheless,
Speaker 1: your will be done. But you know what I do, um,
Speaker 1: I always ask very specifically for healing. It's like, OK, Lord,
Speaker 1: we're right now we're asking you to heal. That's what
Speaker 1: we're asking you to do. And so we ask, and then,
Speaker 1: but
Speaker 1: If you have a plan that we're not aware of,
Speaker 1: then of course, we're gonna go with that plan because
Speaker 1: we don't really have a choice. So Lord, just give
Speaker 1: us wisdom, um, if you have something else in mind
Speaker 1: here and the strength to go through that because, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call us for
Speaker 1: the next 10 or 12 minutes or so. We'd love
Speaker 1: to hear from you. Here's a question that was sent
Speaker 1: in online from Andrea.
Speaker 1: I work for a company where the owner says they
Speaker 1: are a follower of Christ, but their actions don't reflect that.
Speaker 1: How should I go about working with them when I
Speaker 1: feel like my values are being compromised and I don't
Speaker 1: agree with what they are doing? Bobby, what would you
Speaker 1: say to Andrea?
Speaker 1: I just think in this world, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: know how to not allow the way other people live, uh,
Speaker 1: influence the way that we live. We're called to be influencers,
Speaker 1: and when we're bumping into believers, that might not be
Speaker 1: living it out, we might, you know, in a loving way, ask,
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on.
Speaker 1: Um, anything that you're struggling with, sometimes people have found
Speaker 1: a way to rationalize their behavior in the name of scripture.
Speaker 1: Uh, if it's non-believers that we're dealing with, well, you
Speaker 1: would expect that, and I would say that when you're
Speaker 1: in an environment and the darker the culture is, uh,
Speaker 1: if we realize our missions to be light, then the
Speaker 1: darker it is, the greater opportunity for our light to shine. Uh,
Speaker 1: and so we don't want to blame, uh, the darkness
Speaker 1: for being dark.
Speaker 1: But if we have people professing to be in the
Speaker 1: light that are living like the dark, then we should
Speaker 1: just try to be a friend with them and ask
Speaker 1: what's going on and realize that, hey, we too could
Speaker 1: slip up and have some dark days as well and
Speaker 1: lose our witness. Uh, so Jesus, what's so beautiful about
Speaker 1: him is he came as the light of the world
Speaker 1: in a dark world.
Speaker 1: And he influenced everywhere he went, and his prayer requests weren't, hey,
Speaker 1: how do I get myself separated from these people? Uh,
Speaker 1: they're going to mess me up. It was a solid faith,
Speaker 1: and it flowed out of a connection to the Father.
Speaker 1: He knew what his mission was, and I'd say just
Speaker 1: remember your mission, that you're to be a disciple of
Speaker 1: Christ and to shine for him.
Speaker 1: Andrea, thank you for sending in your question on Kwave.com.
Speaker 1: Let's go down to Vista. Scott, thank you for calling
Speaker 1: in today. How can we help you?
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, thank you so much for taking my call, and
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I listened to you on the
Speaker 1: way home from work every day, and it's just a
Speaker 1: pleasure to hear the show, the program of everything, all
Speaker 1: the subjects, all the callers and your opinions, and thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I look forward to it every day. Well, great,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, Scott.
Speaker 1: And I'm one of these guys that lot of pastors
Speaker 1: talk about in their uh podcasts and things I listen
Speaker 1: to on occasion where I'm one of those new excited, uh,
Speaker 1: guys that gave the life to Christ and I 44
Speaker 1: months ago I did that. That's great about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is so exciting.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And um I've got my story,
Speaker 1: my testimony as you, if you will, and um I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to do my part uh until I can start.
Speaker 1: Uh, continuing through Bible study and learning more and more scripture, um.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I just wanted to call up and say this
Speaker 1: and thank you guys and tell you uh just a
Speaker 1: little bit about my opinion, if you don't mind, on
Speaker 1: the gal with the schizophrenia that wrote in or whatever. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think, uh, if it's, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's God's will, it's gonna happen here on Earth. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't,
Speaker 1: You just gotta be patient and, uh, if, and still,
Speaker 1: you know, reach out and serve God as much as
Speaker 1: you can. And if he decides that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: thing he's gonna do for you here on earth, then
Speaker 1: so be it. Maybe she'll lose that, you know, and,
Speaker 1: you know, sadly, I, I'm a type that doesn't believe
Speaker 1: always in Western medicine, but I, I'm kind of a
Speaker 1: natural kind of a guy, and I, but I just, I,
Speaker 1: I just pray to God that, you know,
Speaker 1: This is, um, this will work for me. If it doesn't,
Speaker 1: you've got a reason for it. And, um, and I
Speaker 1: think that's really the thing I, I would say that
Speaker 1: we got to take home. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I think in the
Speaker 1: end that's, that's what we tried to encourage her with,
Speaker 1: you know, we, we, we live on this earth in
Speaker 1: this day and age. It's, there's so much greed and
Speaker 1: so much hatred and so much division and all kinds
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff, and, uh, we have the best of foods,
Speaker 1: the quickest access to things, the foods coming to your
Speaker 1: door and you know it we.
Speaker 1: Uh, we sadly as as a whole get can get
Speaker 1: caught up in
Speaker 1: You know, all the things like gluttony and greed and
Speaker 1: all that, and I, I just believe that um
Speaker 1: If we stay focused on God, you know, we can
Speaker 1: That we're, we're in good hands and, and I'm just
Speaker 1: over overly excited but I also know that when I
Speaker 1: have issues at whatever I'm going through, whether it's work
Speaker 1: related or personal related, I just turned over to the
Speaker 1: Lord and you know something, uh, I stay focused and I,
Speaker 1: you know, I, I've slipped on my thing sometimes and
Speaker 1: I felt the wrath of that, so to speak, um.
Speaker 1: And then I, I said no, no, no, I pushed
Speaker 1: back and I push back and things get better and better,
Speaker 1: and I, I say to the devil, throw it at
Speaker 1: me because you know what?
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep pushing back against you, buddy. Good.
Speaker 1: We'll keep doing that, Scott, and it's, it's great that
Speaker 1: you're following Jesus for 4 months. That is fantastic and
Speaker 1: Um, yeah, just keep pressing, pressing forward, and I'm sure that, uh,
Speaker 1: the encouragement is appreciated. Thank you for calling in today
Speaker 1: here on Pastor's Perspective. Here's another online question. This one
Speaker 1: is from Letti.
Speaker 1: I've been asked by my daughter to respect her marriage
Speaker 1: and not intervene, but my daughter is in a very
Speaker 1: bad relationship. Her dad and I have been contacted many
Speaker 1: times because the cops have been called to her home
Speaker 1: due to their fighting that she claims has not been violent,
Speaker 1: but we all believe otherwise.
Speaker 1: My daughter has told me that God wants her in
Speaker 1: this marriage and that we need to respect her boundaries,
Speaker 1: but I fear for her safety. I know God hates divorce,
Speaker 1: and I would never ask her to divorce her husband,
Speaker 1: but deep down inside, I selfishly wish she would. What
Speaker 1: does Scripture say about this? And as a mother, how
Speaker 1: do I just simply back off in a situation like this? Bobby,
Speaker 1: what would you say to Letty?
Speaker 1: Well, this is difficult because your gut feels one thing,
Speaker 1: but your daughter's telling you another thing. And if you
Speaker 1: end up kind of saying what your gut thinks, then
Speaker 1: she might say you're overreacting, or she might put boundaries
Speaker 1: up with you, uh, or she might not feel safe
Speaker 1: sharing with you. So this is a tricky situation. And
Speaker 1: yet police are being called and typically we're not calling police.
Speaker 1: Uh, just because we're, you know, yelling at each other. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's some kind of deeper fear going on, so my
Speaker 1: gut would say the same thing, and, um, I guess
Speaker 1: what I probably would try to do there is obviously,
Speaker 1: if you ever know anything's physical going on, uh, that's
Speaker 1: just whether it's a parent or a pastor or a friend, uh,
Speaker 1: you do whatever you can to help. I think.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, uh, really just stressing to your daughter
Speaker 1: that that instead of just saying, hey, this is what
Speaker 1: I believe is happening, just say something like, I hear
Speaker 1: you saying this and I know that you're calling.
Speaker 1: And as your mom, I just want you to know
Speaker 1: that if there is anything else going on and you
Speaker 1: don't even feel safe sharing with me.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know that that anything we
Speaker 1: can do to help protect you is of utmost importance
Speaker 1: to us, and I don't want to jump to conclusions
Speaker 1: if you're telling me this, but you know how stuff
Speaker 1: goes like this in abusive situations, people are fearful to talk.
Speaker 1: And so even if I have to use code language
Speaker 1: with you like.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, so you feel like he's getting extra
Speaker 1: loud and that means something, uh, then you can let
Speaker 1: me know because if she's fearful to say, hey, he's
Speaker 1: doing this because he might ask and then she's not
Speaker 1: going to feel comfortable lying, then I would come up
Speaker 1: with some kind of code language.
Speaker 1: That would say all you have to do is let
Speaker 1: me know this and I'm here for you. I want
Speaker 1: to respect you. Tell her that, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to cause drama and I don't wanna create some weird scenario,
Speaker 1: but you need to realize that calling police is not
Speaker 1: a healthy thing in a marriage. Yeah, Brian, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, I think she mentioned her and
Speaker 1: her husband are deeply concerned, understandably.
Speaker 1: And I would say everything Bobby said, absolutely. I would
Speaker 1: say just, you know, man, try to break through this
Speaker 1: with prayer, just you and your husband covenant with each other. We're,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pray until we get a breakthrough here one
Speaker 1: way or the other and for protection over your daughter
Speaker 1: at that, at that same time. So that's what I
Speaker 1: would encourage and, you know, it is hard, uh.
Speaker 1: I, we don't know any of the details, so we
Speaker 1: don't know why she's insisting that she's supposed to stay
Speaker 1: in the relationship. Um, that, that's a little bit perplexing, but, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, prayer will, will break through it, so.
Speaker 1: So we were talking about prayer earlier too, when it
Speaker 1: comes to sickness, is
Speaker 1: And I think it is the anointing of oil and
Speaker 1: all that that we just read about in the book
Speaker 1: of James.
Speaker 1: That's only mentioned for sickness. Like there's nothing, I mean,
Speaker 1: so the, the thing about putting oil on somebody, it
Speaker 1: doesn't talk about doing that for other, other things, yeah,
Speaker 1: like a crazy, you know, bad marriage or a child
Speaker 1: who's rebelling. There's nothing like that. Yeah, because I, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, sickness is something that's that's out
Speaker 1: of a person's entirely.
Speaker 1: And yet bad behavior is not. So bad behavior needs
Speaker 1: to be repented of, you know, it's not like you'd
Speaker 1: like put put oil on somebody and they're gonna be nice.
Speaker 1: They need to repent and they need to be, you know,
Speaker 1: convicted of their behavior is, is being sinful. So, but
Speaker 1: praying through these strongholds, you know, there are places where
Speaker 1: the devil.
Speaker 1: We read in scripture that he gets a foothold in
Speaker 1: in people's lives and it sounds like with this anger
Speaker 1: and and this kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like there's something close to violence anyway.
Speaker 1: You know, this is, this is the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that the devil gets in and really stirs up. So
Speaker 1: I think the prayer is against those.
Speaker 1: Dark forces and the sinful person who is the the
Speaker 1: perpetrator as well, praying that God would, you know, restrain
Speaker 1: that and break through and if need be, get her
Speaker 1: out of that situation. Bobby, 30 seconds.
Speaker 1: I would just say that if you're a guy out
Speaker 1: there and you struggle being verbally abusive or even physical
Speaker 1: with your spouse, uh, get some help. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is like the worst form of bullying, uh, when it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like a, a big brother just kicking
Speaker 1: the tail out of his toddler brother. It's, it, there's
Speaker 1: just no place for that and and realize that that's
Speaker 1: a problem and get some help and find God's grace
Speaker 1: to change in that.
Speaker 1: For sure. Thank you for those words of wisdom, Bobby,
Speaker 1: and we are out of time. Letti, thank you for
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