WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-10/19/26 0:00:17.790 --> 0:00:25.140 Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number 0:00:25.140 --> 0:00:28.069 to call us today to ask your questions about the Bible, 0:00:28.149 --> 0:00:30.929 the Christian faith, just about anything that's on your mind. 0:00:31.179 --> 0:00:33.630 My name is Brian Perez, thank you so much for watching. 0:00:33.849 --> 0:00:37.669 And listening, yes, you can watch on Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram. 0:00:37.929 --> 0:00:40.830 You can also listen to this show as a podcast. 0:00:41.010 --> 0:00:44.670 We release it shortly after 4:00 p.m. Pacific time each day. 0:00:44.929 --> 0:00:47.850 Make sure to like and subscribe if you're watching on YouTube, 0:00:47.970 --> 0:00:50.248 leave a comment there in the chat. We'd love to 0:00:50.248 --> 0:00:52.770 hear from you guys. But, uh, if you have a question, 0:00:53.010 --> 0:00:55.650 call in. You've got an hour to do so. 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So if you have a question today, 0:01:57.811 --> 0:02:03.211 right now, call in 888-564-6173. Let's go right to the phones, 0:02:03.291 --> 0:02:06.611 why not? Beginning with Natalie in Las Vegas, who is 0:02:06.611 --> 0:02:09.990 listening to us on the K-Wave app. Thank you, Natalie, 0:02:10.010 --> 0:02:13.010 for downloading the KWave app and for calling in today. 0:02:13.090 --> 0:02:13.851 What's your question? 0:02:16.039 --> 0:02:19.919 Um, I was watching. First of all, thank you guys 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:24.680 for doing this. I love this. Been listening forever. Thank you, Natalie. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.600 And come from Mission Viejo, so not too far from 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:32.840 Foothill Ranch, right down the street. Anyways, yeah, anyways, and 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.079 thank you, Brian. Uh, I know that sometimes you don't 0:02:36.079 --> 0:02:37.219 get enough praise. 0:02:38.460 --> 0:02:41.139 I praise myself all the time, so that, that I 0:02:41.139 --> 0:02:44.020 do get plenty of praise. I always pat myself on 0:02:44.020 --> 0:02:47.139 the back and no, I'm joking. Well, I always try 0:02:47.139 --> 0:02:50.130 to stay humble that the Lord allows, I always say 0:02:50.130 --> 0:02:52.900 that the Lord allows us to humbly both in the 0:02:52.900 --> 0:03:00.540 right parameters. So there we go. Anyways, um, my question is, um. 0:03:01.859 --> 0:03:04.870 I was watching a scene from The Chosen. 0:03:05.710 --> 0:03:09.829 And it showed the valley like it was doing like 0:03:09.829 --> 0:03:11.609 the valley of dry bones. 0:03:12.669 --> 0:03:16.490 And I know it comes from Ezekiel 37. 0:03:17.210 --> 0:03:20.049 But can you just give me some quick like I'm 0:03:20.049 --> 0:03:24.370 trying to learn better because I struggle with retaining things. 0:03:25.210 --> 0:03:28.210 And so I'm just trying to get a better understanding 0:03:28.210 --> 0:03:32.329 of what that was about and was it, did it 0:03:32.329 --> 0:03:36.689 have anything to do with Elijah or Elijah, like I, 0:03:37.130 --> 0:03:41.270 I'm a little bit confused, so if you wouldn't mind elaborating. 0:03:43.329 --> 0:03:45.329 So did you guys see this episode? Did either of 0:03:45.329 --> 0:03:46.120 you see this episode? 0:03:46.210 --> 0:03:48.909 I did not. I'm one of the few that's never 0:03:49.249 --> 0:03:50.719 watched The Chosen, to be honest. 0:03:50.809 --> 0:03:51.120 I've 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.150 watched the first couple of seasons, I think. 0:03:53.359 --> 0:03:55.919 All right, so Aaron is the resident chosen X. 0:03:59.380 --> 0:04:03.969 Basically, it just shows, it basically just shows the valley 0:04:03.969 --> 0:04:08.699 of dry bones and the Lord walking through it. And 0:04:08.699 --> 0:04:12.579 I just wanted to get an understanding better for just 0:04:12.579 --> 0:04:16.230 for learning purposes and even not even based on the chosen, 0:04:16.339 --> 0:04:20.779 just based on that passage of scripture, just. So like 0:04:20.779 --> 0:04:22.739 what is the valley of dry bones? What is the 0:04:22.740 --> 0:04:26.409 whole uh reason for that passage in Ezekiel? Is it 0:04:27.810 --> 0:04:30.379 And like just what is it about? What is it, 0:04:30.659 --> 0:04:34.529 I know it's referencing Israel and about like the exile, 0:04:34.609 --> 0:04:39.020 but is there, I don't know, whatever you have to 0:04:39.020 --> 0:04:42.059 go on, like whatever you can throw out to me 0:04:42.060 --> 0:04:43.758 just to educate me. 0:04:44.139 --> 0:04:44.719 All right. 0:04:45.219 --> 0:04:48.009 Yeah, well, I mean, uh, again, I can't speak to the, 0:04:48.128 --> 0:04:51.779 the chosen and exactly what their interpretation is there, but 0:04:51.779 --> 0:04:53.940 as far as the scripture is concerned, 0:04:54.549 --> 0:04:57.508 Ezekiel is what we call an exilic prophet. So when 0:04:57.508 --> 0:04:59.729 you're reading the prophets, one of the things you can 0:04:59.729 --> 0:05:04.150 always always ask yourself interpretively is, is this a pre-exilic prophet, 0:05:04.389 --> 0:05:07.659 an exilic prophet, or a post-exilic prophet that kind of 0:05:07.659 --> 0:05:12.029 gives you major historical redemptive context. What's going on? What 0:05:12.029 --> 0:05:14.990 are they speaking to? What is God speaking to this 0:05:14.990 --> 0:05:17.669 prophet about? And so Ezekiel is in that middle group. 0:05:17.750 --> 0:05:22.029 He's an exilic prophet. So at this time, Israel is 0:05:22.029 --> 0:05:23.469 captive in Babylon. 0:05:23.690 --> 0:05:27.810 Um, they've been decimated. They've lost their land. They've lost 0:05:27.810 --> 0:05:30.448 their temple. They've seemingly lost everything. 0:05:30.789 --> 0:05:33.599 And that's when you get this vision that God gives 0:05:33.599 --> 0:05:37.270 Ezekiel in this moment of despair, not just for Ezekiel, 0:05:37.318 --> 0:05:40.669 but this would be national despair that the Israelites feel 0:05:40.669 --> 0:05:42.839 and God promises, he says, hey, look at this valley 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.460 of dry bones. You look at it and there's nothing 0:05:45.460 --> 0:05:48.078 to hope for here, right? This is a valley of death, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.349 you know, there was life here, but the bones picture death, 0:05:51.359 --> 0:05:54.389 and he says this valley is going to be a 0:05:54.389 --> 0:05:57.318 picture of Israel and then in the vision Ezekiel sees 0:05:57.318 --> 0:05:59.520 all of a sudden these bones are coming back. 0:05:59.664 --> 0:06:02.875 Back to life and the flesh is being renewed and 0:06:02.875 --> 0:06:05.874 uh the sinews and everything and giving life to this 0:06:05.875 --> 0:06:09.954 valley and it's a picture of both spiritual and national 0:06:09.954 --> 0:06:13.775 restoration of Israel in the future. So it's this vision 0:06:14.154 --> 0:06:17.514 of hope, some good news for Ezekiel and for the 0:06:17.514 --> 0:06:21.275 people of Israel. So basically, while you're in exile, while 0:06:21.275 --> 0:06:25.974 everything looks completely hopeless, continue to trust in the Lord 0:06:26.073 --> 0:06:28.375 who's gonna be faithful to his promises. 0:06:29.310 --> 0:06:30.049 OK. 0:06:31.150 --> 0:06:34.289 Aaron, any thoughts? I think Mike's covered that well. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:37.609 What were you saying, Natalie? 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.770 So does it basically mean like the Lord will breathe 0:06:42.770 --> 0:06:44.719 new life back into 0:06:45.849 --> 0:06:48.628 Like Israel in that regard. 0:06:49.258 --> 0:06:52.589 Yeah, so again, it's remember, so this is, you know, 0:06:52.969 --> 0:06:55.969 500+ years before the time of Christ. 0:06:56.448 --> 0:06:59.848 So this is a picture that God is going even 0:06:59.849 --> 0:07:03.270 though remember they're not in Israel at this time they're 0:07:03.270 --> 0:07:05.609 outside they're in Babylon and what this vision is is 0:07:05.609 --> 0:07:09.090 I'm going to bring you back to your land you're 0:07:09.089 --> 0:07:11.530 gonna come back to the land of Israel, you're gonna 0:07:11.530 --> 0:07:14.690 rebuild your temple and then of course this is, this 0:07:14.690 --> 0:07:17.889 is where some people get into differences of opinion about 0:07:17.889 --> 0:07:20.810 the details of the vision does it refer to multiple. 0:07:20.970 --> 0:07:24.949 Timelines? Is it, is it just national political, um, some 0:07:24.949 --> 0:07:28.160 people see, you know, even resurrection, like bodily resurrection. Some 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.520 people point to that, but I think certainly what it 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.829 has to do with is restoring Israel as a nation, 0:07:34.060 --> 0:07:36.869 being brought back to the homeland, rebuilding the temple. And 0:07:36.870 --> 0:07:39.759 of course, in Ezekiel and in Jeremiah, you also get 0:07:39.759 --> 0:07:41.949 this picture because at the end of the day, the 0:07:41.949 --> 0:07:44.539 goal is not just to bring Israel back to the land, 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:45.479 it's to get. 0:07:45.590 --> 0:07:48.750 Give them a new heart to take out that heart 0:07:48.750 --> 0:07:50.840 of stone and to give them the heart of flesh 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.819 because that's the fundamental problem. Israel keeps lapsing over and 0:07:55.819 --> 0:07:58.990 over again and in as far as it relies on 0:07:58.990 --> 0:08:02.150 Israel's faithfulness to keep the land, they're never gonna be 0:08:02.150 --> 0:08:04.910 able to keep it. God's gonna have to actually give 0:08:04.910 --> 0:08:08.870 them a new covenant so it points to spiritual uh 0:08:08.870 --> 0:08:09.690 return as well. 0:08:11.220 --> 0:08:14.569 OK. Does that help you, Natalie? Actually, a valley of dry, 0:08:14.759 --> 0:08:17.940 is there actually a valley of dry bones, or should 0:08:17.940 --> 0:08:23.549 I not take the clipping or the passage of the chosen? 0:08:24.609 --> 0:08:28.000 Too much to, not to heart, but just 0:08:29.660 --> 0:08:34.220 Did you see that? No, yeah, so 11 thing I 0:08:34.220 --> 0:08:38.099 don't know because, and this is where, um, the, I 0:08:38.099 --> 0:08:41.050 think the shows and like people ask my opinion on it, um, 0:08:41.179 --> 0:08:43.220 I think it can be helpful and good, so I'm, 0:08:43.259 --> 0:08:45.090 I'm not like against it. On the other hand, I 0:08:45.090 --> 0:08:49.340 think it can be confusing, um, so if someone's first 0:08:49.340 --> 0:08:51.699 exposure to a passage like the one. 0:08:52.050 --> 0:08:55.610 Uh, you're referring to is really the chosen. I could 0:08:55.610 --> 0:08:58.839 see how, again, uh, Brian just pulled up a, a 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.350 little clip and it shows Jesus walking through it. So 0:09:01.569 --> 0:09:04.809 that might be a little confusing because, of course, the 0:09:04.809 --> 0:09:08.210 passage in Ezekiel was, you know, half a millennia before. 0:09:08.340 --> 0:09:11.449 Jesus. So they're doing, it seems like they're doing some 0:09:11.449 --> 0:09:15.139 interpretive work there. So that could be putting some images 0:09:15.139 --> 0:09:18.860 and timelines and stuff that could actually make it harder 0:09:18.860 --> 0:09:21.889 for you to understand what's here. So in that remember, 0:09:21.900 --> 0:09:25.660 this is a vision. He's not literally showing him, you know, uh, 0:09:25.739 --> 0:09:28.319 an actual historical site. Hey, look, look, they're doing an 0:09:28.319 --> 0:09:31.618 archaeological dig. Ezekiel see all these bones? Hey, you know, 0:09:31.809 --> 0:09:33.579 he's actually showing him a vision. 0:09:33.999 --> 0:09:37.639 So this is not a historical site that he's looking at. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.879 He wants to give him a vision, which is a 0:09:39.879 --> 0:09:44.420 picture of something else, of what he's gonna do with Israel. 0:09:44.879 --> 0:09:47.599 It's not a historical site that people can visit on 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.759 the next trip to Israel that Mike Chattick, yeah, 0:09:50.078 --> 0:09:52.520 exactly like, hey, we think we found the valley. You, you're, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.699 you're missing it. This was a vision. 0:09:55.889 --> 0:09:57.709 All right, Natalie, thank you for your phone call today 0:09:57.710 --> 0:10:03.059 here on Pastor's Perspective at 888-564-6173. Now we'll talk to 0:10:03.059 --> 0:10:08.460 Rudy in Baldwin Park. Hey there, Rudy, what's your question today? Hi, pastors. 0:10:08.699 --> 0:10:09.660 Hi pastors. How are you? How are you 0:10:09.660 --> 0:10:11.189 doing? Good. How are you, Rudy? 0:10:11.619 --> 0:10:12.400 Hey Rudy. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.800 Good. Thanks for taking my question. My question is about, um, 0:10:17.179 --> 0:10:19.840 when you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior 0:10:19.900 --> 0:10:21.420 and receive the Holy Spirit. 0:10:21.860 --> 0:10:24.730 It says that we're under grace now, not under the law. 0:10:25.100 --> 0:10:29.009 So my question is, when we send, because we do send, um, 0:10:29.179 --> 0:10:32.379 it says in Romans 5:13 that since we are no 0:10:32.379 --> 0:10:33.360 longer under the law. 0:10:35.220 --> 0:10:35.530 Um, 0:10:37.619 --> 0:10:42.679 Oops, I think we lost you there, Rudy, because, well, um. 0:10:43.369 --> 0:10:46.929 In Romans 5:13, it says sin is not charged against 0:10:46.929 --> 0:10:50.050 anyone's account where there is no law. And since we 0:10:50.050 --> 0:10:53.540 are under grace, there's no more, no, no law for us, right? 0:10:53.970 --> 0:10:56.110 And it because in Romans, um 0:10:56.809 --> 0:11:00.319 Romans chapter 8 I believe or chapter 8 I believe 0:11:00.319 --> 0:11:04.619 it says, it says um because through through Christ Jesus, 0:11:04.730 --> 0:11:07.410 the law of the Spirit, it gives you life, has 0:11:07.410 --> 0:11:10.189 set you free from the law of sin and death. 0:11:10.689 --> 0:11:14.209 So my question is, um, according to Romans 5:13, if 0:11:14.210 --> 0:11:17.569 we sin, does that mean as as Christians it's not 0:11:17.569 --> 0:11:18.790 charged or put on our account? 0:11:19.689 --> 0:11:20.540 What would you say, Aaron? 0:11:22.819 --> 0:11:25.819 We are responsible for our, our sin and choices in 0:11:25.819 --> 0:11:32.100 the sense of um needing to repent of that, to 0:11:32.309 --> 0:11:35.150 clear that before the Lord. But, but when we place 0:11:35.150 --> 0:11:38.429 our faith in Christ, Rudy, our, our sins are, are 0:11:38.429 --> 0:11:41.350 washed away past, present and future. It's not as though 0:11:41.350 --> 0:11:45.150 when we struggle with sin, we're back under the law. 0:11:45.230 --> 0:11:48.579 We're under a new covenant of grace. In fact, the 0:11:48.578 --> 0:11:50.350 book of Galatians speaks to that. 0:11:50.860 --> 0:11:53.920 A church that was tempted to go back to the law. 0:11:54.259 --> 0:11:56.739 And Paul writes to them and he says, are you 0:11:56.739 --> 0:11:58.829 so foolish, having begun in the spirit of you now 0:11:58.828 --> 0:12:02.160 being made perfect by the flesh. And sometimes we can, 0:12:02.499 --> 0:12:06.980 in our failure, misinterpret and think, well, well now because 0:12:06.980 --> 0:12:10.360 I've sinned, because I've, I've not been able in my, 0:12:10.540 --> 0:12:15.498 in my own strength to walk uprightly before the Lord consistently. I, I, 0:12:15.578 --> 0:12:16.160 I'm 0:12:17.499 --> 0:12:21.878 I'm outside of God's grace, but, but God's grace is 0:12:22.139 --> 0:12:26.689 there for us in those very moments. And, uh, Paul, he, 0:12:26.780 --> 0:12:30.369 he speaks to that. I, I actually think Romans 67 0:12:30.369 --> 0:12:35.139 and 8 is a beautiful pathway that that takes us 0:12:35.139 --> 0:12:38.739 back to the grace of God as Paul writes about 0:12:38.739 --> 0:12:41.999 his own struggle against the flesh, the things that I, I, 0:12:42.379 --> 0:12:44.579 I want to do, I don't do and what I 0:12:44.578 --> 0:12:47.220 don't want to do that I do, and he, he 0:12:47.819 --> 0:12:50.600 Speaks to his frustration there in that chapter. 0:12:51.639 --> 0:12:55.129 And says, who will deliver me from this body of 0:12:55.129 --> 0:12:57.738 death in my struggle against sin. But then in Romans 0:12:57.739 --> 0:13:02.889 chapter 8, we, we find that there is no condemnation 0:13:02.889 --> 0:13:05.329 for those that are in Christ Jesus who don't walk 0:13:05.328 --> 0:13:08.040 according to the spirit. Don't walk rather according to the flesh, 0:13:08.090 --> 0:13:11.089 but according to the, the spirit. And I, I think 0:13:11.090 --> 0:13:14.449 a commentator from a generation ago spoke of our need 0:13:14.449 --> 0:13:17.309 to flee to the 8th of Romans. 0:13:20.139 --> 0:13:22.719 Yeah, um, I think, you know, sometimes. 0:13:23.819 --> 0:13:29.578 Salvation, um, people use the term in different ways. Typically, what, 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:34.619 for example, uh, the reformers, they broke up salvation into 0:13:34.619 --> 0:13:40.369 three separate pieces, or not, I shouldn't say separate, distinct justification, sanctification, 0:13:40.660 --> 0:13:41.900 and glorification. 0:13:42.210 --> 0:13:45.139 And the important thing to say is, how are we justified? 0:13:45.220 --> 0:13:49.540 We're justified by grace through faith alone. So once we 0:13:49.540 --> 0:13:52.979 are justified, you've placed faith in Christ, you are now 0:13:52.980 --> 0:13:57.819 declared in the right. You have a right standing with God. 0:13:58.124 --> 0:14:00.744 Now that's how God looks at you, that's how God 0:14:00.744 --> 0:14:03.525 treats you. He adopts you into his family, and if 0:14:03.525 --> 0:14:05.684 you mess up today, you do not get kicked out 0:14:05.684 --> 0:14:08.634 of the family, you do not lose your justification because 0:14:08.634 --> 0:14:11.965 that would be justification based on works, but rather by 0:14:11.965 --> 0:14:15.804 faith in the gospel, it's the righteous work of Christ 0:14:15.804 --> 0:14:18.804 that is imputed to us, so we're in the right. 0:14:19.069 --> 0:14:23.110 Insofar as we're talking about sanctification though, because remember God's 0:14:23.110 --> 0:14:24.869 the goal in the gospel is not merely, OK, I 0:14:24.869 --> 0:14:28.030 wanna declare sinners right through what Christ did he actually 0:14:28.030 --> 0:14:31.629 wants to sanctify us and make us more like Jesus. 0:14:31.939 --> 0:14:36.119 This is where again some people get accused of actually Paul, uh, 0:14:36.389 --> 0:14:40.069 anticipates that he's being falsely accused of saying, oh hey, 0:14:40.110 --> 0:14:43.069 you know, let's just live however we wanna live because 0:14:43.069 --> 0:14:46.410 of grace. He says, no, that's, that's utterly foolish if 0:14:46.410 --> 0:14:48.509 you've truly received and received. 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.759 Grace, how could you live in sin any longer? One 0:14:51.759 --> 0:14:54.639 of the signs that you have genuine faith that you've 0:14:54.639 --> 0:14:57.679 received God's grace is you begin to change and you 0:14:57.679 --> 0:15:01.280 live a life of repentance. So for example, like in 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.800 First John, if we confess present tense, which means ongoing action, 0:15:05.999 --> 0:15:08.239 if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just 0:15:08.239 --> 0:15:12.420 to forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. So again, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.499 we're in a right standing with God because of Jesus. 0:15:15.559 --> 0:15:18.119 We don't lose that, but why do we. 0:15:18.210 --> 0:15:22.410 Then have to confess regularly as John says, because of sanctification. 0:15:22.689 --> 0:15:25.770 The goal is we've got to continually grow. God does 0:15:25.770 --> 0:15:29.170 not want us to continue in sin any longer. So 0:15:29.170 --> 0:15:32.809 on the one hand, salvation is secure through justification that's 0:15:32.809 --> 0:15:35.610 received by faith in Christ alone. But then we are 0:15:35.610 --> 0:15:39.530 called to cooperate with God, to partner with God in 0:15:39.530 --> 0:15:43.090 obeying the, not the law of Moses, but actually as 0:15:43.090 --> 0:15:46.749 Paul says in Galatians, the Hanamas to Christu, the law 0:15:46.749 --> 0:15:47.650 of Christ. 0:15:48.429 --> 0:15:49.749 Does this help you, Rudy? 0:15:51.829 --> 0:15:53.900 Yeah, those are great answers. I just, yeah, those are 0:15:53.900 --> 0:15:56.179 great answers. I appreciate it. I just, yeah, so that 0:15:56.179 --> 0:15:58.730 makes me feel like as a Christian, as long as I, uh, 0:15:59.020 --> 0:16:00.660 like I said, if I make a mistake, I, I 0:16:00.660 --> 0:16:03.739 ask for repentance. I repent and ask for forgiveness. There's 0:16:03.739 --> 0:16:06.220 no reason for me to ever feel, um, guilty, 0:16:07.139 --> 0:16:07.720 you know what I mean? 0:16:08.059 --> 0:16:08.600 Exactly. 0:16:09.509 --> 0:16:09.610 sin-wise, you know. 0:16:10.460 --> 0:16:12.739 Exactly. And I think, you know, for example, where this 0:16:12.739 --> 0:16:15.210 is the, the fall season in our church, we kind of, 0:16:15.300 --> 0:16:17.520 we do like a celebration of the Reformation. 0:16:17.869 --> 0:16:21.429 Uh, every, uh, because, you know, famously on October 31st, 0:16:21.489 --> 0:16:21.869 while 0:16:21.869 --> 0:16:22.030 everybody 0:16:22.030 --> 0:16:22.389 else is 0:16:22.389 --> 0:16:22.989 celebrating 0:16:22.989 --> 0:16:26.829 Halloween, uh, we're celebrating the day that Martin Luther famously 0:16:26.829 --> 0:16:30.090 nailed the 95 theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church. 0:16:30.759 --> 0:16:33.170 In Germany, and again, one of Luther's things is he's 0:16:33.170 --> 0:16:36.210 wrestling with a guilty conscience. Um, he had this great 0:16:36.210 --> 0:16:38.569 little line because he was an Augustinian monk. He was 0:16:38.569 --> 0:16:41.449 trying zealously to be as right with God as he 0:16:41.449 --> 0:16:44.809 possibly could, do everything the Catholic Church told him to do, 0:16:45.050 --> 0:16:49.340 you know, do penance, confession, indulgences, like anything you can do. 0:16:49.429 --> 0:16:51.889 He even became a monk, and he said if any 0:16:51.889 --> 0:16:55.610 monk could have attained heaven through his monkey, it should 0:16:55.610 --> 0:16:58.050 have been I, but he was left with this guilty 0:16:58.050 --> 0:16:59.889 conscience of, man, you know, even though I'm. 0:17:00.329 --> 0:17:03.369 Working hard and I'm trying, I know I'm still not 0:17:03.369 --> 0:17:06.650 good enough. And this is when he was driven to 0:17:06.650 --> 0:17:09.609 study the New Testament and Romans in particular, some of 0:17:09.610 --> 0:17:13.580 the passages we both cited so far, and he realized 0:17:13.580 --> 0:17:15.869 what is the answer to this guilty conscience, it really 0:17:15.869 --> 0:17:16.450 is the gospel. 0:17:16.729 --> 0:17:20.420 It's the gospel of justification by faith. It's no longer 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.479 about you and even your guilty conscience. God is greater 0:17:25.479 --> 0:17:28.670 than our conscience. Paul even says, so trusting in Christ, 0:17:28.759 --> 0:17:32.119 we have a secure grounding we can know that we 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:32.879 are saved. 0:17:33.638 --> 0:17:35.969 Thank you so much for calling us, Oh wait, Aaron, 0:17:36.129 --> 0:17:38.950 did you wanna add something? Amen. Oh yeah, that's a good, 0:17:39.050 --> 0:17:43.669 good thing to add. Rudy, thanks for your phone call. 888-564-6173. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.530 Now we'll talk to Paul in Highland who listens to 0:17:46.530 --> 0:17:50.489 Pastor's perspective on the Kwave app. What's your question for us, Paul? 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.800 Uh, basically it has to do with modern translation since 0:17:55.800 --> 0:18:01.089 the vines are no longer used in modern translation, mostly, um, 0:18:01.599 --> 0:18:04.520 when the pastors come to a passage like that where 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.479 there's a singular pronoun talking to, um, uh. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.638 To an individual that unless the person is pointed is 0:18:13.638 --> 0:18:17.040 pointed out that that's being done, a person may not 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.629 know that it's talking to an individual, not a group. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:25.790 And then of course there's also cases where the plural pronoun, uh, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.680 second person pronoun is being used talking to an individual 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.800 such as Peter when he was being told by Jesus 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.349 that he was being shifted like wheat by Satan. Uh, 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.379 Jesus used the plural pronoun telling Peter this. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.910 And then it wasn't to the singular when he told 0:18:41.910 --> 0:18:45.649 Jesus said that I pray for you and then it's 0:18:45.650 --> 0:18:50.749 then it's singular and so and then the similaration happens 0:18:50.749 --> 0:18:52.040 with Nicodemus. 0:18:53.540 --> 0:18:56.219 where Jesus said, except a man be born again, he 0:18:56.219 --> 0:19:00.020 cannot see the kingdom of God. He tells Nicodemus that 0:19:01.129 --> 0:19:01.138 he 0:19:01.780 --> 0:19:04.369 He uses a plural when you, when you, when he 0:19:04.369 --> 0:19:09.919 says to Nicodemus, I say unto you, that's singular, except 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.589 ye must be born again or you must be born again. 0:19:12.709 --> 0:19:16.190 That's the plural being used, and he's telling Nicodemus not 0:19:16.190 --> 0:19:19.888 just Nicodemus, but everyone needs to be born again. Anyway, the, the, 0:19:19.900 --> 0:19:21.988 the question is, is when you go through verse by 0:19:21.989 --> 0:19:25.589 verse and you come to these pronouns that they're being 0:19:25.589 --> 0:19:28.790 pointed out when they're plural or singular talking to an 0:19:28.790 --> 0:19:29.589 individual or group. 0:19:32.030 --> 0:19:34.339 So are you saying then that like the King James 0:19:34.339 --> 0:19:39.709 Version will distinguish between uh singular and plural, while the 0:19:39.709 --> 0:19:42.989 modern translations do not, and does that confuse people nowadays 0:19:42.989 --> 0:19:44.349 because they're not getting the full picture. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:46.479 It can, 0:19:46.570 --> 0:19:47.300 yes. 0:19:47.839 --> 0:19:49.599 OK, is that the question? 0:19:51.209 --> 0:19:54.489 Yeah, I'm, I'm so you laid out what a concern was. 0:19:54.570 --> 0:19:55.770 What's the question you're saying? 0:19:57.330 --> 0:19:59.849 As a pastor going through, do you go to the 0:19:59.849 --> 0:20:02.009 trouble to point out that whether it's the plural or 0:20:02.009 --> 0:20:04.489 singular that's being used talking to an individual or a group? 0:20:05.810 --> 0:20:09.699 Um, I can, yeah. If, if, I mean, I look 0:20:09.700 --> 0:20:10.879 at the Greek, so. 0:20:11.759 --> 0:20:16.060 If it's singular or plural and it makes a conceptual difference, 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.639 then yeah, I mean it, it does that it does 0:20:18.638 --> 0:20:20.958 that all the time, you know what I mean? So there's, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.320 for example, if, if you look at Greek, I mean 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.869 I'm talking about New Testament here of course Hebrew and 0:20:25.869 --> 0:20:27.679 then a little bit of Aramaic in the Old Testament, 0:20:27.759 --> 0:20:31.249 but there's a ton of things to point out constantly, 0:20:31.259 --> 0:20:32.280 to be honest with you. 0:20:32.550 --> 0:20:36.189 Um, I can point out the, the tenses, the moods, 0:20:36.550 --> 0:20:38.849 you know, the, you know, is it in the indicative? 0:20:38.910 --> 0:20:41.530 Is it in the air as passive, particip? I mean, 0:20:41.759 --> 0:20:44.540 I don't sit there and do a, a lecture. Um, uh, 0:20:44.709 --> 0:20:47.030 to be honest, I used to do that, uh, years 0:20:47.030 --> 0:20:49.270 ago when I was in seminary, and, uh, 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.919 Thank God I have an understanding patient congregation because, um, I, 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.200 I would major on the minors, uh, too often and 0:20:58.200 --> 0:20:58.849 I think 0:20:59.109 --> 0:21:01.509 The longer I've been a pastor, again, like if you 0:21:01.509 --> 0:21:04.589 give me 3 hours to do a lecture, uh, on 0:21:04.589 --> 0:21:07.400 a Saturday or something, I can give you plurals and 0:21:07.550 --> 0:21:10.949 singulars all you want and, you know, masculine plurals, but 0:21:10.950 --> 0:21:13.430 in a Sunday sermon, I think I try to keep 0:21:13.430 --> 0:21:16.290 the main thing the main thing, and if pointing out 0:21:16.290 --> 0:21:18.589 a singular or plural, and, and sometimes, by the way, 0:21:18.830 --> 0:21:20.609 the answer is yes, it, it does make. 0:21:20.950 --> 0:21:23.060 Uh, quite a bit of difference. Other times it's a, 0:21:23.109 --> 0:21:26.270 a relatively minor thing, um, then I wouldn't make a 0:21:26.270 --> 0:21:28.409 point of it unless I believe it actually is making 0:21:28.410 --> 0:21:31.169