Speaker 1: Hello. Excuse me, hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I
Speaker 1: am so sorry. It's Friday, June 20th, 2025. We are
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Speaker 1: And Brian Broderson is here. He's the pastor emeritus of
Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Last time he'll be here for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, so if you've got a question
Speaker 1: for him, call in today, because he's gonna be at
Speaker 1: the Calvary Global Network conference next week, and then, uh,
Speaker 1: he'll be traveling. So call up today at 888-564-6173. Hello, Brian. Well, hello, Brian.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Well, you know, I'm in moving mode.
Speaker 1: As dad and grandpa been uh loading up.
Speaker 1: The truck hauling away the furniture and getting it situated
Speaker 1: in my daughter's new place. Now I don't see Cheryl
Speaker 1: here today, so isn't it her that's loading up the furniture? Well,
Speaker 1: she's packing up, yeah, so she's packing up. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we're, we're right down to the wire. We
Speaker 1: have a conference that's starting Sunday.
Speaker 1: Um, and then, you know, next week we're back in
Speaker 1: New York with our other children and a and a
Speaker 1: grandchild graduation and so it's pretty wild, pretty crazy, yes,
Speaker 1: and had uh emergency car repair and a dryer went
Speaker 1: out and we had to get a new one.
Speaker 1: And we have painters at the house, so yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if anybody thinks pastors live some sort of different life, uh,
Speaker 1: we don't, we just live a normal life like everybody else,
Speaker 1: full of crazy moments, frustrating moments. I went to my
Speaker 1: daughter's new place today to um unload some stuff and
Speaker 1: as I pulled up, I saw the, the water company
Speaker 1: was there and.
Speaker 1: I that just crossed my mind like what what are
Speaker 1: they doing here? And then before I could say anything, they,
Speaker 1: they left. And so I was putting stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: away in the house and and I just had this
Speaker 1: thought like, I gotta check the water.
Speaker 1: Went over, checked the water, they had turned it off.
Speaker 1: I went out to the meter, they had a big
Speaker 1: old paddle lock on it. So, I mean, it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they turned the electricity off the other day,
Speaker 1: then they turned the water off today. So, you know,
Speaker 1: they're moving into this place and the, the, you know,
Speaker 1: people they're renting from said, oh yeah, you've got 2
Speaker 1: weeks till, uh, you know, after the 20th, you got
Speaker 1: 2 weeks to get all your um utilities sorted out
Speaker 1: and everything, but no, no, no.
Speaker 1: So I am just thanking God that he let me
Speaker 1: see that water truck because I would have never thought
Speaker 1: about it and then we would have moved them all
Speaker 1: down and they would have gone to turn on the
Speaker 1: faucet and there would be no water and it's the
Speaker 1: weekend and there would be no water company to come
Speaker 1: and turn it back on. So by the grace of God.
Speaker 1: We got it sorted. Oh, good, good. So the water's
Speaker 1: back on and everything. Yes, they came right before I left.
Speaker 1: Oh good, back on and happy to. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's been my day, Brian Perez.
Speaker 1: My day not as hectic as yours. I can't complain, but, uh,
Speaker 1: good to have you here. Thank you for, uh, adding
Speaker 1: to your craziness by coming in here and, uh, you
Speaker 1: could have just called out and, uh, we would have
Speaker 1: figured something out. I could have just said, hey, could
Speaker 1: you do a, um, you know, like a recording? Yes,
Speaker 1: I could have said that. We would have scrambled and
Speaker 1: gotten one somehow from the archives or something, and we
Speaker 1: would have played and I did say that for a minute, didn't, yeah,
Speaker 1: you did. But then you said never mind. I'd sent
Speaker 1: a text.
Speaker 1: Say never mind. Before I could see the first message
Speaker 1: you had sent the second one that said never mind. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I was, I was on my way back from there
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, gosh, am I even gonna make it
Speaker 1: and but here I am.
Speaker 1: Yay, glad you're here. All right, good to be here.
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Speaker 1: that's what Lawrence did today.
Speaker 1: He walks in, he sees me, and goes, Are you Brian?
Speaker 1: I said, Yes. He goes, Oh, so we chatted for
Speaker 1: a few minutes and he asked for prayer for his
Speaker 1: daughter Zoe, and then he said, Oh, I do have
Speaker 1: a question for you guys. So, Lawrence, nice meeting you
Speaker 1: today if you're listening right now. He wanted to know
Speaker 1: about the Assyrians, and he said that Pastor Chuck has
Speaker 1: always said that all the Assyrians were
Speaker 1: You know, wiped out and all, but as an Uber driver,
Speaker 1: he'll meet people and on 3 different occasions, oh, so
Speaker 1: where are you from? Oh, we're Assyrian. Yeah. And he thought,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I thought they were all gone. So
Speaker 1: who are these people? Yeah, um, yeah, we, as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I, I don't think Chuck ever said
Speaker 1: the Assyrians were wiped out. There's a difference between I might,
Speaker 1: I might have used the wrong word. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the Canaanites, of course, were, were wiped out,
Speaker 1: but the Assyrians we had.
Speaker 1: Uh, some families in the church that were, um, Assyrian.
Speaker 1: And so Assyria is, um, now kind of Iraq, uh, Armenia,
Speaker 1: you know, tho those kind of there's a.
Speaker 1: Part part of that uh Iraq area I think is
Speaker 1: where modern day Assyrians would come from.
Speaker 1: And
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and you know, oftentimes they will talk about.
Speaker 1: Uh, the, the family in the church, I remember that
Speaker 1: I knew from who were assyrian Christians, they would, they
Speaker 1: were very proud in a good way to
Speaker 1: Say that, you know, we have been Christians for 2000
Speaker 1: years and, you know, going right back, you know, as
Speaker 1: a as a people back to those earliest days of
Speaker 1: the church. So, so yeah, so they are um part
Speaker 1: of that world.
Speaker 1: OK. And they're, they're, I mean, they're a distinct ethnicity
Speaker 1: as well, but they're very small. And they're not Syrians.
Speaker 1: No yeah, Syrians are are different. Yeah. As Syria, Assyria was, so,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at Iraq today and Iraq it
Speaker 1: was ancient Babylon, it was ancient Assyria as well, but
Speaker 1: they were different parts of what we know today as Iraq.
Speaker 1: So Syria, Syria was more
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking, thinking of a map, it's kind of more
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 1: Um, eastern, northern eastern side and then um.
Speaker 1: Uh, Babylon was, was a little more, I think Southwestern.
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, see, look at the uh you see
Speaker 1: ay there.
Speaker 1: Well, it was there. OK, there it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway,
Speaker 1: Got it. That's what you got. All righty. Very good. Lawrence,
Speaker 1: thank you for asking me your question earlier today when
Speaker 1: I was at lunch. 888-564-6173 is our number, and here's
Speaker 1: another one that was sent in online. It is from
Speaker 1: Martha on Instagram. She sent a video and uh did,
Speaker 1: can't you guys send us videos and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't have the
Speaker 1: Manpower or anything to watch them all the way through.
Speaker 1: I had no idea how long this video was either,
Speaker 1: because I clicked on it. There's no little timer on it,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, am I gonna be sitting here watching
Speaker 1: this for 45 minutes? I don't have that time. So,
Speaker 1: but there was a caption on the video that says,
Speaker 1: Is America supposed to back the current political state of
Speaker 1: Israel under all circumstances?
Speaker 1: Uh, no, and especially under all circumstances, no.
Speaker 1: Um, I mean, America.
Speaker 1: You know, America's not supposed to do anything, really. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, that this is a country, and uh we're
Speaker 1: gonna make decisions based on what our
Speaker 1: Uh, elected officials believe is the thing to do at
Speaker 1: the time. Some people are gonna agree with what they
Speaker 1: decide to do, some people are gonna disagree with what
Speaker 1: they decide to do, but, um, but to say, you know,
Speaker 1: that there's a blanket, yes, America has to endorse everything
Speaker 1: Israel does, there, there's nothing in the Bible that would
Speaker 1: say that. Um, but I think on many levels, I
Speaker 1: think it's uh the right thing for America to do.
Speaker 1: And backing Israel, when you consider what Israel is is
Speaker 1: seeking to accomplish, which is free the world from the
Speaker 1: threat of uh a nuclear situation, which Iran is uh determined.
Speaker 1: To bring about and have been very.
Speaker 1: Vocal about it and you know, somebody said the other day,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of truth that since
Speaker 1: 1979 Iran has been at war with the US and
Speaker 1: through terrorism primarily. And so you think of Hamas, you
Speaker 1: think of Hezbollah, you think of the Houthis, you know,
Speaker 1: all of these groups are proxies of Iran, and so
Speaker 1: Iran is is really
Speaker 1: Kind of the number one,
Speaker 1: Sponsor of terrorism throughout the world. Uh, so, uh, Israel.
Speaker 1: In doing what they did for their own.
Speaker 1: Protection to keep themselves from being obliterated as Iran has
Speaker 1: promised to do, they're actually indirectly doing a big favor
Speaker 1: for the whole world, but
Speaker 1: I mean, quite frankly, people are so stupid, they can't
Speaker 1: see it. And so, you know, sometimes you just think,
Speaker 1: you gotta get your head on straight here because this, you,
Speaker 1: you think Iran is not a real threat? I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the Iranian people. Look at, look at what
Speaker 1: they go through. 800, I just saw this 880 something
Speaker 1: people were hanged in Iran for opposition to the government.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like,
Speaker 1: And some of them were kids, 5 of them were kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was like a, a lady took off her,
Speaker 1: you know, her hijab or, uh, you know, they said
Speaker 1: something that was, um, deemed disrespectful or or something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, horrific crimes and, you know, they, they're taken
Speaker 1: out in their, they're hands. So this is a
Speaker 1: This is a murderous regime that I know ever since
Speaker 1: I remember when the Ayatollah came to power in the 1970s, 1979,
Speaker 1: and uh you know, they've been shaking their fist and
Speaker 1: cursing the great Satan, which is the US ever since. So, yeah.
Speaker 1: Martha, thanks for sending in your question. I hope that
Speaker 1: helps you. Now we'll go to the phones and we've
Speaker 1: got Mark in San Diego with another question about Israel.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Mark, thanks for calling in today.
Speaker 1: Oh boy. I'll tell you what, God, Brian, I'm so,
Speaker 1: I'm amazed that you're talking about this right now. I
Speaker 1: was just driving down the road thinking about this whole thing,
Speaker 1: and I'll cut right to the chase. What I've heard
Speaker 1: is that Israel doesn't have the kind of bomb to
Speaker 1: take out that last nuclear facility. I know we're not
Speaker 1: supposed to do politics, but like Brian says, these guys
Speaker 1: are bad news.
Speaker 1: Uh, if I'm firmly believe if we don't take out
Speaker 1: that last nuclear site they have, they could develop an
Speaker 1: atom bomb, and I think they're crazy enough to, to
Speaker 1: drop one on Israel or on America. And so I
Speaker 1: was just gonna ask, I get a look in my throat.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask if we could pray that
Speaker 1: Trump would make the right decision. He's supposed to make
Speaker 1: a decision in the next week or so that we
Speaker 1: could just pray as an audience and as a group
Speaker 1: of Christians, uh, that Trump would make the right choice
Speaker 1: on that or any of, uh, what you, your take
Speaker 1: on it, you guys, OK.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're, we're, you know, we're praying that this situation
Speaker 1: would be resolved, um, and, and like I said, they're
Speaker 1: the Iranian people, so 80% of the, of the Iranian
Speaker 1: population does not support the government. So 20% of the 20%
Speaker 1: of the population ruled the other 80%.
Speaker 1: So it was a um a religious coup back in
Speaker 1: the 1970s when the Ayatollah came in, the Shah was
Speaker 1: driven out. And so they've been under this radical Islamist
Speaker 1: Shiite thing for, you know, a long, long, long time.
Speaker 1: And um we've seen a few years ago we saw
Speaker 1: that there were uprisings among the people that looked like
Speaker 1: the the regime might be toppled, but it was um
Speaker 1: subdued by the regime. It looked like an opportunity where
Speaker 1: Westerners could have come in and maybe, you know, helped,
Speaker 1: but they didn't. And so we're, we, we have a
Speaker 1: population 90 million people in Iran.
Speaker 1: And so 80% of the population lives under this radical,
Speaker 1: radical um regime.
Speaker 1: And
Speaker 1: A regime that is committed to
Speaker 1: World dominance and destruction along the way if that's what's necessary.
Speaker 1: So I, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I, I mean, this is just my opinion. What, you know,
Speaker 1: what do I know, but I think this, this looks
Speaker 1: like an opportune moment. Um, but I listened to an
Speaker 1: interesting interview yesterday with um a expert, uh uh a
Speaker 1: physicist and an expert in all of the going all
Speaker 1: the way back to the Iraq war was boots on
Speaker 1: the ground, going into Iraq and dealing with the uranium
Speaker 1: and all that Saddam Hussein.
Speaker 1: Had stockpiled and so this person said something interesting because
Speaker 1: we've all heard about this, um, the need for this
Speaker 1: um bunker busting bomb, uh, to eliminate the the Forow um.
Speaker 1: Facility. And he actually said, although that would do it, obviously, um,
Speaker 1: nobody has the capacity to do that except the US, uh,
Speaker 1: but he said Israel actually could take out Fordow without it.
Speaker 1: So he thinks that they
Speaker 1: He, he doesn't necessarily think that the US will have
Speaker 1: to get involved, which was interesting to me because, you know,
Speaker 1: going into listening to the interview, I was, that was
Speaker 1: my thinking as well. And then to hear what he said.
Speaker 1: And you know, this is a guy with 40 years
Speaker 1: of experience of, you know, this is his world, so I, OK, interesting.
Speaker 1: But yes, we need to pray and we need to
Speaker 1: pray for the Iranian people because of course, and you know,
Speaker 1: Israel is not targeting civilians like the Iranians are and
Speaker 1: like Hamas did and like Hezbollah would do. uh Israel
Speaker 1: is targeting military, um.
Speaker 1: Sites and you know, infrastructure that has to do with
Speaker 1: their capacity to make a nuclear war. So.
Speaker 1: But yes, Lord, we pray for help, and we pray for,
Speaker 1: you know, people making decisions, uh, that the right decisions
Speaker 1: would be made for the right outcome for what you're
Speaker 1: doing in the world today.
Speaker 1: In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Mark, thank you for calling
Speaker 1: in today on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number, and
Speaker 1: now we're going to talk to Joe in Orange County.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling us today, Joe. How can we help you?
Speaker 2: Uh, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I was, uh,
Speaker 2: just wondering about the, the First Timothy 2 passage on, um,
Speaker 2: you know, woman, submissiveness, no authority over men, um, rather,
Speaker 2: she has to remain quiet. Um, I think in recent,
Speaker 2: in just the past few months, I've seen this used
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 2: Um, usually in a kind of demeaning, degrading way towards women,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking, I wonder if there's any more
Speaker 2: context to this that you guys would be able to provide.
Speaker 2: And the reason why I say that is, um, I
Speaker 2: actually heard, uh, I was at a workshop by a
Speaker 2: biola professor who um talked about the
Speaker 2: The history and the culture and the values of the
Speaker 2: people that were being written to for First Corinthians. And
Speaker 2: it just brought so much more insight into why Paul
Speaker 2: was writing about honor and wisdom versus foolishness, and I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, that's, that's really insightful. I wonder if
Speaker 2: there's something kind of like that for this passage if
Speaker 2: he's speaking to a specific situation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, great question, Joe. And um, yeah, I think, um, I,
Speaker 1: I don't even think you have to look so, so
Speaker 1: deeply into the culture to recognize if you, if you really,
Speaker 1: you know, if you really spent some time just looking
Speaker 1: at the text, it's obvious that Paul is addressing something
Speaker 1: that is happening right before Timothy's eyes. And so it's
Speaker 1: a very specific um issue.
Speaker 1: And you know, the word women, here, here's one thing
Speaker 1: that's a little bit challenging, the word woman or wife
Speaker 1: is the same word. So is he talking to women
Speaker 1: in general or about women in general? Is he talking
Speaker 1: about wives? I, I think there's a good reason to
Speaker 1: think that he's talking about wives, uh, specific wives in
Speaker 1: a specific situation who are trying to take over the church.
Speaker 1: So he says, um,
Speaker 1: I, I do not permit a woman to um teach
Speaker 1: or to exercise authority over the man. Uh, the word
Speaker 1: to exercise authority actually means to usurp authority, it means
Speaker 1: to take it.
Speaker 1: So this is a situation, it seems to me that
Speaker 1: uh is what's happening right there in Ephesus, certain women
Speaker 1: in the church are basically trying to to take over
Speaker 1: the church and Paul says, no, this is not this
Speaker 1: is not right and this is not what's to be done.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't think that the text, and then the
Speaker 1: First Corinthians text that speaks about women keeping silent in
Speaker 1: the church and so forth. I think in all of those,
Speaker 1: if you look closely at the context, uh, when Paul
Speaker 1: is speaking to the Corinthian situation, the speech that he's
Speaker 1: talking about or the or the silence that they, that
Speaker 1: he's calling for is in relation to disruptive activity. It's
Speaker 1: not just simply like, hey, at church, women can't can't
Speaker 1: do anything, they can't talk.
Speaker 1: And we know that because earlier in 1 Corinthians in
Speaker 1: the 11th chapter, he talks about women praying and prophesying
Speaker 1: in the church, and he talks about it in a
Speaker 1: way like it's, it's fine, it's, it's a, you know,
Speaker 1: it's OK. It's, it's what it's what's happening. He doesn't
Speaker 1: criticize it or correct it or anything. Um, so when
Speaker 1: you go back to the Timothy passage, I think it
Speaker 1: When, when Paul gives the, uh, kind of like, OK,
Speaker 1: this is what I want you to do instead, this
Speaker 1: is where it becomes crystal clear that he's talking about
Speaker 1: wives because he says the the kind of the answer
Speaker 1: to this problem of trying to take over is, um,
Speaker 1: Child rearing.
Speaker 1: Um, it, it says bear bearing children, and it's and
Speaker 1: it says that um,
Speaker 1: You know, she shall be saved through childbearing. Now, this
Speaker 1: is where it gets really perplexing. It's like, what in
Speaker 1: the world is Paul talking about? He's saying that women
Speaker 1: Are saved through bearing kids well.
Speaker 1: Only if we fail to realize that the word saved
Speaker 1: doesn't always mean what we usually think it means. So
Speaker 1: we think saved means salvation, like, you know, eternal salvation,
Speaker 1: not going to hell, my sins are forgiven, and so forth.
Speaker 1: The word saved just it could easily be translated delivered.
Speaker 1: So it could be, seems to me like Paul is saying, OK, these,
Speaker 1: you know, these women are trying to do this, or
Speaker 1: trying to take over.
Speaker 1: Uh, they're not to do that, and they will be
Speaker 1: delivered from this, um, effort if they focus on the
Speaker 1: thing that God has given them to do, and in
Speaker 1: this case, it's to take care of their families.
Speaker 1: So
Speaker 1: Paul is clearly talking to married women.
Speaker 1: That that's something that a lot of people aren't seeing.
Speaker 1: It's not, he can't be talking to women in general
Speaker 1: because not every woman is married, not every woman has kids. Uh,
Speaker 1: Paul was associated with women in the ministry who were
Speaker 1: single women, Phoebe, for example. Um, so that wouldn't even
Speaker 1: apply to her because she didn't have any kids to
Speaker 1: take care of. So,
Speaker 1: So all that to say, I think if you just
Speaker 1: think harder about the passage, and that's without going into
Speaker 1: maybe the cultural aspects that were also uh a factor
Speaker 1: in what Paul was saying. But I, and I do
Speaker 1: think that those have a place to understand that Adam
Speaker 1: and Eve part is where it gets sometimes it's like, OK,
Speaker 1: what does he mean by, well, Adam came first, uh,
Speaker 1: Eve was deceived, um, so,
Speaker 1: The conclusion is that women are more prone to deception,
Speaker 1: so that's what Paul is talking about. That's why women
Speaker 1: can't teach. But, um, I think history could easily verify
Speaker 1: that that's not even the case. There's been more men
Speaker 1: have been deceived spiritually, but, but the cultural background is that, uh,
Speaker 1: because this was the city where Diana or Artemis was
Speaker 1: the goddess of the city.
Speaker 1: That there was the idea that the woman came first.
Speaker 1: And so Paul is correcting that by saying, no, the
Speaker 1: man came first, not the woman. So anyway, there there's
Speaker 1: a lot there, um, I personally do not think that
Speaker 1: Paul is saying, uh, women can't teach a mixed group of, um,
Speaker 1: Christians that they can't teach the Bible publicly, that they
Speaker 1: can't teach doctrine. I, I don't think that Paul is
Speaker 1: saying that there.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Joe?
Speaker 2: Thank you. Uh, no, that was very helpful. I appreciate it. Thanks.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you. Yes, very in-depth answer there. Now,
Speaker 1: is there a better way to study the Bible, to
Speaker 1: study God's word, so that
Speaker 1: The average person would know that like woman and wife
Speaker 1: are the same word and usurping authority and exercising authority,
Speaker 1: the difference between that and because there's so much in
Speaker 1: there that sometimes we read it at face value and we,
Speaker 1: and I mean this is where, uh, you know, God
Speaker 1: did ordained pastors and teachers, you know, people that he,
Speaker 1: he gives to teach and so I think we have
Speaker 1: the responsibility to
Speaker 1: I, I don't, I don't necessarily think that the average
Speaker 1: Christian has to do the deep dive and just find
Speaker 1: out like all, all of this kind of stuff. But
Speaker 1: this is, this is what our job is. Our job
Speaker 1: is to do this. And you know, for many years,
Speaker 1: I would have just looked at it on a, on
Speaker 1: a more surface level and drawn the same conclusion, basically. Um,
Speaker 1: I might have applied it a little bit differently, but
Speaker 1: I would draw that same conclusion. Uh, today, I, there
Speaker 1: was a point in my life where nobody.
Speaker 1: Influenced me. It wasn't like I read a book and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my gosh, I've got this all wrong.
Speaker 1: I just started thinking more deeply about the passage as
Speaker 1: I was teaching it and thinking, I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: know if this says exactly what I've been thinking that
Speaker 1: it says over the years, you know, and then I've
Speaker 1: I've listened to and read others who now there is the.
Speaker 1: You know, my, my position.
Speaker 1: Is that Paula is not prohibiting a woman from teaching.
Speaker 1: But he is prohibiting them from taking control of the church.
Speaker 1: So a woman who is in submission to the leadership
Speaker 1: of the church, if she is gifted to teach, I
Speaker 1: think that that's fine for her to teach. I, I
Speaker 1: think when it comes to the primary leadership of the
Speaker 1: church or the, the overseer, the word is the the episcopas,
Speaker 1: it's commonly the bishop, um.
Speaker 1: I, I do think that Paul explains who is to
Speaker 1: be in that role right in the next verses when
Speaker 1: he says, if a man desires the office of the overseer,
Speaker 1: he desires a good thing, and so forth. And he
Speaker 1: goes on to talk about, you know, uh the qualifications for,
Speaker 1: for that role. But it's in the context of that
Speaker 1: kind of leadership that I think women have a lot
Speaker 1: more freedom than maybe we have uh given them.
Speaker 1: In the past, at least some, and, and still for
Speaker 1: some in the present, obviously, you know, for some people
Speaker 1: this is like a hill to die on. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, you.
Speaker 1: A lot of women to preach. I mean, oh my goodness, you're,
Speaker 1: it's a slippery slope, you know, you're, you're on your
Speaker 1: way down to the slippery slope. Yes, we've heard that before.
Speaker 1: All right, 888-564-6173 is our number. Here's a question that
Speaker 1: was sent in on Instagram from Johnny in Tustin. I
Speaker 1: think I know Johnny. Johnny's question is about Proverbs 9:10,
Speaker 1: which reads in the CSB, the fear of the Lord
Speaker 1: is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the
Speaker 1: Holy One is understanding.
Speaker 1: So John says I was reading that and I, um, uh,
Speaker 1: first of all, I know that fear can mean respect
Speaker 1: or to trust in, so would it be all right
Speaker 1: if I were to say, trusting in the Lord is
Speaker 1: the beginning of wisdom. And then the second half of
Speaker 1: the verse, and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Can you elaborate on that phrase?
Speaker 1: Yeah, um, trusting in the Lord, I think is, is
Speaker 1: probably not strong enough. I think that fear, fear meaning respect,
Speaker 1: that's reverence, respect, you know, giving God the the honor
Speaker 1: that is due to him. Uh, the, the Lord said,
Speaker 1: said this, um, to the people of Israel, to the
Speaker 1: prophet Jeremiah, he said.
Speaker 1: Um, don't you fear me? he said, don't you realize
Speaker 1: that I actually put the boundaries on the sea so
Speaker 1: that the waves can go no further? I say to
Speaker 1: the waves go this far and go no further. Um,
Speaker 1: think about that. So when you think about God,
Speaker 1: Remember, he puts the boundaries on the sea. So that's
Speaker 1: that's someone that we should really stand in awe of,
Speaker 1: and that that's the idea too, standing in awe of him. So, uh,
Speaker 1: the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
Speaker 1: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. So, understanding,
Speaker 1: you know, we live our lives based on understanding. We
Speaker 1: make decisions based on our understanding of things. So,
Speaker 1: What the Proverbs is telling us that that at the
Speaker 1: foundational level.
Speaker 1: We, if, if we have the knowledge of the Lord,
Speaker 1: we will have the proper understanding.
Speaker 1: To live life the way it's supposed to be lived.
Speaker 1: Very good, Johnny, thank you for sending in your question
Speaker 1: on the pastor's perspective Instagram, and we're going to take
Speaker 1: a break now. 888-564-6173 is the number to call if
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Speaker 1: Here's a question that was sent in through Kwave.com. It's
Speaker 1: from Renee. Jesus told the apostles that they will do
Speaker 1: greater miracles than Him.
Speaker 1: That if they have faith and ask a mountain to move,
Speaker 1: it will move. From his time until now, do we
Speaker 1: have any evidence of someone with the great faith he
Speaker 1: is speaking about doing something so miraculous like moving a mountain.
Speaker 1: Uh, don't, you have to understand that Jesus, like, um,
Speaker 1: all of us at times would use what is called hyperbole.
Speaker 1: And you know, hyperbole is, is, you know, saying something
Speaker 1: to make a point that is not necessarily literally the
Speaker 1: case like I am starving to death. That is hyperbole.
Speaker 1: I might be hungry, but I'm not starving to death.
Speaker 1: So when Jesus is trying to just show them the
Speaker 1: importance of faith, he uses some hyperbole when he says
Speaker 1: something like, you can say to this mountain bee.
Speaker 1: Removed and cast into the midst of the sea, and
Speaker 1: it's going to do what you said. If you, if
Speaker 1: you have faith the size of a monster seed. So
Speaker 1: he wants them to understand the power of faith. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's no record anywhere in history, and of course, if,
Speaker 1: if that did happen, I think it would have happened
Speaker 1: through the apostles, and we would have it recorded somewhere.
Speaker 1: In the book of Acts, you know, Paul was journeying
Speaker 1: through this mountain pass and actually they couldn't get through,
Speaker 1: so he just spoke a word and the mountain dissolved
Speaker 1: and he walked, you know, but, but that didn't happen so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh, and then Jesus has greater works than these. Um,
Speaker 1: when you think about what Jesus did, there's no way
Speaker 1: you could do any greater works than Jesus did. I mean,
Speaker 1: he raised the dead, you know, he gave sight to
Speaker 1: the blind. He gave a speech to the those who
Speaker 1: couldn't speak and uh hearing to the deaf and cleanse
Speaker 1: the lepers and all of that. So you, you can't
Speaker 1: do any better than that. Um, but what would happen
Speaker 1: is that, uh, greater in
Speaker 1: Uh, number. So Jesus is here for a period of time.
Speaker 1: It's a limited period of time. He's limited locationally. He's
Speaker 1: only in one place, but when the gospel goes out
Speaker 1: through his followers empowered by the Holy Spirit, these works
Speaker 1: are going to be multiplied, um, innumerably on time. So
Speaker 1: that would be the greater, I think that's the greater
Speaker 1: that he's referring to. Some people say, oh, the greater
Speaker 1: work is the work of
Speaker 1: Um, bringing people to, um, a saving knowledge of Jesus. And, OK,
Speaker 1: that's fine too.
Speaker 1: So like, it's like in math, when we, greater than
Speaker 1: less than.
Speaker 1: That kind of thing. So it's, it's a numerical value,
Speaker 1: not necessarily. I, I, I never claimed to be a mathematician,
Speaker 1: so don't start bringing math into this. You've had coffee
Speaker 1: today though. You can do a little bit of math.
Speaker 1: I've had 2 coffees today. 2, see? You should be
Speaker 1: able to do at least a little bit of math. Really?
Speaker 1: Does coffee help you do math? Well, all I know
Speaker 1: is that early in the morning before coffee, yeah, I
Speaker 1: couldn't balance my checkbook or anything, but Renee, thank you
Speaker 1: for sending in your question online. And, uh, here's another
Speaker 1: online question. It's from Marisol, and, uh, she writes, How
Speaker 1: do I know if my marriage to my husband is
Speaker 1: truly from God?
Speaker 1: How do I know if we are or are not
Speaker 1: meant for each other? We truly love one another and
Speaker 1: are committed to one another, but no matter how hard
Speaker 1: we try to get out of a storm, we just
Speaker 1: can't get out of it. We've been stuck for 9 years.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I wonder if God is telling us we're just
Speaker 1: not meant for each other, if we should separate to
Speaker 1: see if our life gets better without one another being
Speaker 1: in each other's lives.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that you have the wrong idea that
Speaker 1: that God's will is, is going to be decided.
Speaker 1: By
Speaker 1: How well your life is going, and that's not necessarily
Speaker 1: the case because uh not only do we have lots
Speaker 1: and lots of examples in the Bible that show us
Speaker 1: that that's not the case. I'll give you a quick one.
Speaker 1: Joseph in the Old Testament, remember Joseph, he was sold
Speaker 1: into slavery and cast into prison and went through a
Speaker 1: 13 year ordeal, um, where he had been rejected by
Speaker 1: his brothers and so forth.
Speaker 1: Now that was not pleasant at all. And yet this
Speaker 1: was God working out his plan and purpose through Joseph
Speaker 1: to get him to the place where he would eventually
Speaker 1: come into a position of power in order to save
Speaker 1: his family from the famine that was coming in the world. Um,
Speaker 1: but of course, he might have looked at his life
Speaker 1: and thought, you know, there's a lot of trouble here.
Speaker 1: I must be out of the will of God. What
Speaker 1: am I doing?
Speaker 1: But he wasn't. And Jesus said, in the world you
Speaker 1: will have trouble. So you're, you're gonna have difficulty, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have challenges. You love each other. I think this
Speaker 1: is a question that shouldn't even come up. Don't even
Speaker 1: ask this question. Yes, it's God's will that you're married.
Speaker 1: You're married. So that's, it's too late to ask the question,
Speaker 1: is it God's will, uh, that's already determined. Married, it's
Speaker 1: God's will that you stay married.
Speaker 1: And it's God's will that you seek Him together and
Speaker 1: as you do that.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean everything's gonna get better overnight or even in
Speaker 1: 9 years, um, but it does mean that you're on
Speaker 1: the right path to progress and the Lord's gonna bring you, uh,
Speaker 1: through these times. My wife and I have been married
Speaker 1: 45 years, and you know, at 10 years, we, we
Speaker 1: had some rough patches, and at 15 years we had
Speaker 1: some rough passage, and at 20 years we had some
Speaker 1: rough passage.
Speaker 1: Patches, patches, that's the word, yeah, so and you know
Speaker 1: we're still going. So because we committed to each other,
Speaker 1: we stood up there and said, you know, in the
Speaker 1: presence of God in this company we took vows of
Speaker 1: love and faithfulness to one another and then you just
Speaker 1: stick with it.
Speaker 1: Through thick and thin, through richer or poorer, through sickness
Speaker 1: and in health. Now are those those words aren't in
Speaker 1: the Bible per se. Those words actually were crafted in
Speaker 1: the 16th century by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did not know that. Yes, it's a trivia question.
Speaker 1: Now I'm ready for Trivial Pursuit tonight. Yeah, Thomas Kremer,
Speaker 1: he was the
Speaker 1: Uh, he was the archbishop that was, um, burned at
Speaker 1: the stake by, um.
Speaker 1: By Bloody Mary. Oh my. Mhm.
Speaker 1: That wasn't nice. No, no, not at all. I don't
Speaker 1: think she should have done that. All right, 888-564-6173. Here's
Speaker 1: another online question. It's from Christian on Facebook about Ephesians 2:15.
Speaker 1: Which reads, having abolished in his flesh the enmity that
Speaker 1: is the law of commandments contained in ordinances so as
Speaker 1: to create in himself one new man from the two,
Speaker 1: thus making peace. So Christian wants to know, can someone
Speaker 1: explain this verse, especially where it says that the law
Speaker 1: is enmity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the, the enmity of the law is that uh
Speaker 1: the law condemns us and so the law is is
Speaker 1: against us in regard to the fact that uh because
Speaker 1: we failed to keep it.
Speaker 1: We are condemned by it.
Speaker 1: But Jesus took that condemnation on himself. Jesus died in
Speaker 1: our place for our violations of the law, so he
Speaker 1: removed that, um, that, that passage is talking about how
Speaker 1: the law, it separated us from God and it separated
Speaker 1: Jews and Gentiles from one another.
Speaker 1: And so Jesus took it and he nailed it to
Speaker 1: the cross. He, he wiped it out by fulfilling it
Speaker 1: in his flesh, uh, and fulfilling it on our behalf.
Speaker 1: And so we're no longer in that position where the
Speaker 1: law is our judge, um.
Speaker 1: Jesus took that judgment.
Speaker 1: Christian, thank you for sending in your question on Facebook Messenger.
Speaker 1: And now we've got uh Cathy and Wendy, whose questions
Speaker 1: are very similar, so let's knock them both out at
Speaker 1: the same time, shall we? Cathy asks.
Speaker 1: I have a question about adultery. If someone divorces due
Speaker 1: to irreconcilable differences and then remarries, isn't that person considered
Speaker 1: an adulterer according to the Bible? Does that mean they
Speaker 1: won't go to heaven even if they are Christians? Would
Speaker 1: you or have you ever counseled couples seeking divorce under
Speaker 1: these terms that they would have to live the rest
Speaker 1: of their lives in celibacy to avoid becoming adulterers?
Speaker 1: And Wendy's question, Scripture seems to say that men nor
Speaker 1: women can remarry if they have been previously divorced, but
Speaker 1: there are many, many marriages that consist of previously divorced
Speaker 1: men and women. I'm confused.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these, these are
Speaker 1: These are good questions. They're they're hard. Um, I think
Speaker 1: the first thing you have to take into consideration is
Speaker 1: that
Speaker 1: There, there's not a um.
Speaker 1: One size fits all here. You have to look at
Speaker 1: every situation. Uh, for example, um, there is a biblical
Speaker 1: basis for divorce. So if, um,
Speaker 1: If a person is a victim in an in an
Speaker 1: adulterous situation, then that person is free to remarry. Uh,
Speaker 1: the perpetrator is not free to remarry.
Speaker 1: Um, so let's just say the perpetrator does get remarried.
Speaker 1: Are they living in a continued state of adultery? Well,
Speaker 1: until they really repent, I think they're living in a
Speaker 1: state that that is sinful. uh, but to repent doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that you can go back and reverse everything
Speaker 1: you've done.
Speaker 1: So God knows the heart, and there's when when a
Speaker 1: person is genuinely repentant,
Speaker 1: God knows that. So I've, I've known people over the
Speaker 1: years who
Speaker 1: Let's just say in a in a marital situation, they
Speaker 1: were guilty. They, they sinned against their spouse, uh, they
Speaker 1: went off and got remarried and started a new life
Speaker 1: and sometimes the whole time talk tried to talk themselves into,
Speaker 1: you know, God understands and he he's with me and
Speaker 1: and you know, he forgives me and and all of that.
Speaker 1: And basically fooling themselves, but then.
Speaker 1: There is a moment of reckoning.
Speaker 1: And they do have a a real awakening and they really,
Speaker 1: really recognize how wrong they've been, the fact that they
Speaker 1: have sinned against God, they've sinned against their spouse, and
Speaker 1: even though they can't reverse what they've done, there is
Speaker 1: a genuine repentance that comes. They go back to the
Speaker 1: person that they left and they say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm completely guilty and I'm sorry and I sinned against
Speaker 1: you and please forgive me, and so on.
Speaker 1: Now that's a contrite heart and when that is a genuine.
Speaker 1: Response, then I think we can expect that God forgives
Speaker 1: that and and so you go on with your life,
Speaker 1: you're you're always going to, when you willfully sin, you're
Speaker 1: always gonna have consequences to that. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: um like David, you know, David sins he commits adultery
Speaker 1: with Bathsheba.
Speaker 1: And not only that, but he's, he, um, you know,
Speaker 1: is responsible for the for the death of her husband
Speaker 1: in order to try to hide his own sin.
Speaker 1: And God forgives him. Nathan calls him out on it. David,
Speaker 1: you are the man, and David says, you're right, I
Speaker 1: am the man. God forgives him, but there's consequences that
Speaker 1: David is going to live with now for the rest
Speaker 1: of his life. And the immediate consequences that the child
Speaker 1: that Bathsheba is pregnant with is going to die at birth,
Speaker 1: and then the extended consequences are going to be the
Speaker 1: things that you see happen.
Speaker 1: In the family of David as time goes on, where
Speaker 1: his one of his sons, Amnan, he rapes his daughter Tamar,
Speaker 1: who's the half sister of his other son, Absalom, and
Speaker 1: Absalom is gonna kill uh Amman Amnan and uh it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be one.
Speaker 1: You know, terrible thing after another. As a consequence, David
Speaker 1: is forgiven, David is still God's man and all of that,
Speaker 1: but he's, but he now has to live with these things, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cathy and Wendy, thank you, ladies for sending in your
Speaker 1: question through Kwave.com. 888-564-6173 is the number John dialed to
Speaker 1: call in today from Escondido. Hey, John, how can we
Speaker 1: help you today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hi, I was uh curious about where the story
Speaker 1: of Peter being crucified upside down came from because he
Speaker 1: wasn't worthy to die the same way Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is a tradition, um, and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure who if if there is a source, like an
Speaker 1: exact source where it is written.
Speaker 1: Um, it could be something like, uh, Eusebius, the early
Speaker 1: church historian, he recorded, you know, some things like that,
Speaker 1: but I don't, I don't know where that
Speaker 1: Originated, although, like you said, it's, it's not in the Bible. Uh,
Speaker 1: did it really happen? Maybe likewise John John being boiled
Speaker 1: in oil.
Speaker 1: Again, it's a, it's another, it's another tradition and, you know,
Speaker 1: it comes, it comes down to us uh again with
Speaker 1: that one, I'm not sure the source either if there
Speaker 1: is an actual written source on it or just allusions
Speaker 1: to it um but the funny thing is, you know.
Speaker 1: I, I, this is, this is where you have to
Speaker 1: really be.
Speaker 1: You kind of have to be on your guard when
Speaker 1: it comes to these traditional types of things, you know,
Speaker 1: some of them are are great and legit, uh, and
Speaker 1: you know, some of the sources, you're like, oh yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: the source is reliable, this is what they said about this.
Speaker 1: But then you see they said, you know, something else
Speaker 1: over here you're like, wait, wait a second, that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound right to me, so.
Speaker 1: Um, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, if you know your scripture, then you'll just stick
Speaker 1: to that, right? Yeah, I mean, that's the that's the
Speaker 1: best thing, but what is it? OK, so here, Brian
Speaker 1: pulled up a website, it says, um, this is AI, AI. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, AI is good. I mean, OK, so according
Speaker 1: to Christian tradition, Peter was crucified upside down. This tradition
Speaker 1: is based on the belief that he felt unworthy and
Speaker 1: so on. The story originates uh from the acts of Peter. OK, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Um, at a late 2nd century apocryphal text and uh
Speaker 1: later writings by the church fathers. OK, so that's good.
Speaker 1: So then you have church tradition, you have later church
Speaker 1: fathers like Origin of Alexandria and Jerome also mentioned this
Speaker 1: tradition of further solidifying it in Christian lore.
Speaker 1: So, so the Acts of Peter is another book that's
Speaker 1: out there that would be, this would be an apocryphal book, uh,
Speaker 1: a book that obviously was not and then the John
Speaker 1: Boy and oil comes from the writings of Tertullian, according
Speaker 1: to AI.
Speaker 1: OK, yeah, yeah, it knows a lot from the writings
Speaker 1: of Tulian, who mentioned it as a widely known event
Speaker 1: around 200 AD. Uh, it is said that the Roman
Speaker 1: Emperor Domitian ordered John to be plunged into boiling oil,
Speaker 1: but he emerged unharmed, seemingly unscathed, and so, OK, well.
Speaker 1: Right, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't doubt it. Take it, take it or leave it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it, it might have been.
Speaker 1: We'll know when we get there. For a long time.
Speaker 1: I've been listening for years and years, so I just,
Speaker 1: I love the show, and I just wanna thank you
Speaker 1: all for what you do. Great. Well, well, thanks for
Speaker 1: that question because it made us, uh, you know, cause
Speaker 1: I've I've heard that for years and I'm, I've probably
Speaker 1: even mentioned John being boiled in oil. I don't think
Speaker 1: I ever did.
Speaker 1: I, I, I've always been a little bit skeptical about
Speaker 1: the upside down crucifixion of Peter. Really, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just seems a bit apocryphal to me, but you
Speaker 1: never know. You never know. What are the other ones
Speaker 1: that some, uh, well, Son and two, we do read
Speaker 1: that in Hebrews that did happen, yeah, but I'm talking
Speaker 1: about with the apostles. Yeah, with the apostles, you know,
Speaker 1: Fox's Book of martyrs is kind of the place where
Speaker 1: most of this stuff is, uh, accessible.
Speaker 1: Um, and he compiled it from over over the centuries
Speaker 1: he he wrote in the 17th century, I think, um.
Speaker 1: So, and, and you know, I've read Fox's Book of
Speaker 1: Martyrs years ago, and even as I was reading it,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, some of these stories just sound
Speaker 1: so fantastical. I don't know that I actually
Speaker 1: Um
Speaker 1: Believe them.
Speaker 1: All right, very good. Uh, here's another Facebook question. It
Speaker 1: is from Denise, and she wants to know how to
Speaker 1: go about handling my brother-in-law. He's upset with any family
Speaker 1: members or church members who voted for Donald Trump. He said,
Speaker 1: look what we voted for, because ICE is taking the immigrants.
Speaker 1: He's a Christian and I just don't know how to
Speaker 1: handle the situation.
Speaker 1: Um
Speaker 1: Well, uh, I mean, I don't know either. I mean
Speaker 1: he's your brother-in-law.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, you know, any anybody like that, I think
Speaker 1: what
Speaker 1: I think what we need to do is we need
Speaker 1: to um.
Speaker 1: We just need to be gracious, um.
Speaker 1: We, we don't need to apologize if, if we've, you know,
Speaker 1: we made a decision to vote in one direction, and
Speaker 1: we thought it was a better option than the other direction.
Speaker 1: And I think you just have to let people feel
Speaker 1: the way they feel about this stuff. I don't think
Speaker 1: you need to convince them that they're right and or
Speaker 1: or you're right and they're wrong or vice versa. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I did a little devotional yesterday, uh, here
Speaker 1: on Kwave and the verse that I focused on was
Speaker 1: Philippians 4:5 and it says, let your graciousness be known
Speaker 1: to all people. But another way to translate that is
Speaker 1: let your reasonableness.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like your brother-in-law is being a bit
Speaker 1: unreasonable because he thinks that, you know, he's got the
Speaker 1: right take on everything. You're probably not gonna change his mind.
Speaker 1: So I would think that it's probably the best to
Speaker 1: just agree to disagree on this and just say, oh, OK, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I respect your opinion. I respect what you
Speaker 1: feel about that, but uh I don't necessarily feel the
Speaker 1: same way and try to
Speaker 1: As much as depends on you, live peaceably with all people,
Speaker 1: Paul said in in Romans, and I think that that's
Speaker 1: all we can do.
Speaker 1: Yes indeed. Yes, indeed. All right, so one more question
Speaker 1: that was sent in online, this one is uh
Speaker 1: For Cheryl, who I thought was gonna come in today,
Speaker 1: but she didn't, so you're gonna have to answer for Cheryl,
Speaker 1: and I know you can do that because I know Cheryl, yes.
Speaker 1: Patricia wrote in, I would like to get recommendations for
Speaker 1: solid Bible study lesson books, maybe input from Cheryl if
Speaker 1: she's available. We are a handful of women who love
Speaker 1: God and would love to get deeper in the word.
Speaker 1: Our small group spans from new believers to seasoned Christians, mothers, grandmothers,
Speaker 1: college graduates, etc. I lean more towards verse by verse study,
Speaker 1: but I'm open to anything. I've loved studying Max Lucado,
Speaker 1: Warren Weirsby, Priscilla Shire, to name a few, something easy
Speaker 1: enough for a new believer and rich enough for someone
Speaker 1: that has been going to church for a while. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your input. I listen to the
Speaker 1: show every weekday on my way home. It's been a blessing.
Speaker 1: Well, I can, I can easily answer that. Um, Cheryl
Speaker 1: over the years has uh written along with a team,
Speaker 1: she has written some fantastic, uh, Bible studies for the
Speaker 1: women's ministry that she led for so many years. And
Speaker 1: so I would highly recommend any and all of those
Speaker 1: and they there's probably 10 or 12 different.
Speaker 1: Uh, options there. I know they recently did the, the
Speaker 1: Book of Colossians, that was kind of her swan song. Uh,
Speaker 1: she finished up with the women's ministry here, but she
Speaker 1: wrote that, um, along with uh a team over the years. Uh,
Speaker 1: her and a girl named Jasmine used to be her
Speaker 1: ministry partner. They wrote a lot together, then Jasmine moved on,
Speaker 1: and Cheryl had a team that they would all work
Speaker 1: together on those, but um there's there's ones that are
Speaker 1: more in depth.
Speaker 1: And
Speaker 1: Kind of, you know, a bigger sort of a workbook,
Speaker 1: and then they ended up doing uh some, some smaller
Speaker 1: ones that were a little, you know, some people, maybe
Speaker 1: it was a little bit challenging to to go through
Speaker 1: a whole thick workbook. And so they did some um
Speaker 1: Some smaller versions, like I can't remember what they called them,
Speaker 1: but Brian, you're looking at that page, gracious words, um.
Speaker 1: Joyful life lessons that that would be the the place
Speaker 1: to go there.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, gracious words.com, that's Cheryl's website, and if you
Speaker 1: click on resources, you'll get to this page here. So
Speaker 1: these lessons have all been written by Cheryl and her
Speaker 1: team at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa.
Speaker 1: Are these the ones that we're talking about? Yeah, these
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