WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-09/28/26 0:00:15.099 --> 0:00:18.770 Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. It's Monday and we 0:00:18.770 --> 0:00:21.729 are here live in the studio from now till 4 0:00:21.730 --> 0:00:25.040 o'clock Pacific time. So call in with your questions about 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:25.749 the Bible. 0:00:26.190 --> 0:00:29.110 Uh, the Christian faith, maybe you read something this morning 0:00:29.110 --> 0:00:31.950 as you were studying the scriptures or you read a 0:00:31.950 --> 0:00:35.530 devotional or you heard a video on YouTube or something 0:00:35.530 --> 0:00:37.870 or something your pastor said this past Sunday. Call in, 0:00:37.950 --> 0:00:42.350 we'd love to talk to you about it. 888-564-6173 is 0:00:42.349 --> 0:00:44.510 the number. We've got a couple of pastors in the 0:00:44.510 --> 0:00:48.510 studio to answer those questions. Char Broderson, the lead pastor 0:00:48.510 --> 0:00:49.229 of Calvary Chapel. 0:00:49.575 --> 0:00:53.054 Costa Mesa and Mike Chaddock, the senior pastor of Image 0:00:53.054 --> 0:00:55.895 Church in San Juan Capistrano, both of them here in 0:00:55.895 --> 0:00:59.834 Orange County, Southern California. Guys, good to see you. What's 0:00:59.834 --> 0:01:02.444 new to you? Well, it's good to be here. Yeah, 0:01:02.735 --> 0:01:04.654 missed you guys last week. We're both gone. Yeah, we 0:01:04.654 --> 0:01:07.283 had a Monday off. Now we're back, refreshed, ready. Where 0:01:07.284 --> 0:01:09.654 do you sign up for Mondays off? What's that? Where 0:01:09.654 --> 0:01:11.533 do you sign up for Mondays off? Yeah, I don't know. 0:01:11.654 --> 0:01:12.494 Where is that? 0:01:13.719 --> 0:01:19.250 Great question. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. 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Welcome, Claudia to Pastor's Perspective. Thanks for 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.799 calling 888-564-6173. 0:02:02.450 --> 0:02:06.689 Hi, hi. OK, my que, hi, I hope y'all doing good. Um, 0:02:06.770 --> 0:02:10.570 my question is, I recently heard a pastor say that 0:02:10.570 --> 0:02:14.189 when we pray that we must speak our prayers out loud, 0:02:14.409 --> 0:02:17.889 otherwise our prayers may not be heard, and I wanted 0:02:17.889 --> 0:02:21.650 to know what's, what's your perspective? Does Jesus hear our 0:02:21.650 --> 0:02:24.430 prayers when we say them just in our minds? 0:02:24.585 --> 0:02:27.385 Hm, Char, what would you say? Yeah, well, you know what, 0:02:27.505 --> 0:02:31.434 Jesus actually says these words in Matthew chapter 6. He says, 0:02:31.585 --> 0:02:35.635 do not be like, you know, the certain religious, uh, 0:02:35.745 --> 0:02:38.665 individuals or these pagans who babble on because they think 0:02:38.665 --> 0:02:41.225 they will be heard because of their many words. He says, 0:02:41.264 --> 0:02:44.734 don't be like them, for your father knows what you need, 0:02:44.865 --> 0:02:47.805 even before you ask Him. So, 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.919 And, you know, David says in Psalm 139, before a 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.389 word is on my tongue, you already know it. And so, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.749 you know, just God's comprehensive knowledge of us is something that's, um, 0:03:00.770 --> 0:03:04.320 stated in scripture and actually celebrated in scripture. And so, 0:03:04.590 --> 0:03:07.299 you know, I do think I'm not really sure maybe 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.949 the greater point that this pastor was making, but I 0:03:09.949 --> 0:03:11.380 don't think it's a biblical point. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.559 You know, so I have encouraged some people, you know, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.120 sometimes I know in my own praying life, I feel 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.520 like I'm kind of in my head and I'm kind 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.939 of going around in circles and I'm not fully, um, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.079 clear or articulating what I'm asking for. And so sometimes 0:03:28.079 --> 0:03:31.059 for me it's helpful to say my prayers out loud 0:03:31.359 --> 0:03:34.400 in order to articulate them. Sometimes it's helpful for me 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.880 to say my prayers out loud so that I'm actually, um, 0:03:38.540 --> 0:03:41.960 I'm hearing them prayed and and can even almost like 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.840 agree with myself in it or actually say, actually, Lord, 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:46.779 I don't think that is what I want, you know, like, 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:48.999 now that I'm hearing myself say it, I don't think 0:03:48.999 --> 0:03:51.169 I do believe that or I think actually I'm going 0:03:51.169 --> 0:03:53.270 to change my mind on that request or whatever it 0:03:53.270 --> 0:03:55.480 might be. So I definitely think it can be a 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.840 helpful tool practically to us just in our communication with God. 0:04:00.150 --> 0:04:05.029 Um, but biblically, there's no evidence or place in scripture 0:04:05.029 --> 0:04:06.949 where it says unless you pray out loud, God doesn't 0:04:06.949 --> 0:04:09.370 hear you, you know, no scripture says he already knows, 0:04:09.710 --> 0:04:12.109 you know, the secret intents of our heart, even the 0:04:12.109 --> 0:04:15.270 stuff that we don't actually know that's even there, God 0:04:15.270 --> 0:04:16.029 knows it. 0:04:16.609 --> 0:04:19.130 So it's more of a prince, the principle of the thing, 0:04:19.139 --> 0:04:21.719 and even that in that case it would be an 0:04:21.719 --> 0:04:24.419 optional principle. It's not something in the same way that 0:04:24.419 --> 0:04:27.659 we hear pastors say journal your prayers or read your 0:04:27.659 --> 0:04:30.198 Bible out loud. It's not stuff that has to be done, 0:04:30.620 --> 0:04:32.378 but it might be a good idea. Sure, yeah, and 0:04:32.378 --> 0:04:34.780 I do believe that, I mean, the prayers. 0:04:35.740 --> 0:04:39.259 That, um, the Jewish people prayed, they would pray out loud. 0:04:39.389 --> 0:04:41.270 That was a very common practice for them. But you 0:04:41.270 --> 0:04:44.069 even see, you know, in, again, in the Psalter, in 0:04:44.068 --> 0:04:47.179 the Psalms, you know, that there is, uh, there are 0:04:47.180 --> 0:04:51.220 silent prayers and there's a recognition that God meets His people, 0:04:51.229 --> 0:04:53.620 even in the silence or the way that Paul talks about, 0:04:53.948 --> 0:04:56.870 you know, the Spirit actually intercedes for us with groanings 0:04:56.870 --> 0:04:59.310 that can't be uttered. Sometimes we don't even have words 0:04:59.310 --> 0:05:02.969 to describe the deep grief, uh, we feel or 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:09.199 Uh, the desire again, like to articulate what we're actually wanting. 0:05:09.639 --> 0:05:15.910 And again, this, I think, um, encouragement and peace and, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.120 and comfort just to know God already knows. Like he 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.460 knows actually what you want, Mike, even though you don't. 0:05:21.039 --> 0:05:22.960 You know, he, he knows your fears even though maybe 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.840 you can't articulate them. Like there's something so reassuring and 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.638 comforting about to be fully known like that by God. 0:05:29.529 --> 0:05:32.039 Yeah, what's interesting, I actually was thinking about that this 0:05:32.039 --> 0:05:36.599 morning about where Paul says that the spirit intercedes for 0:05:36.599 --> 0:05:39.758 us with groanings that cannot be uttered, and there's, there's 0:05:39.758 --> 0:05:42.759 a limit even to our language at times that's what 0:05:42.758 --> 0:05:44.020 we realized. So I think. 0:05:44.469 --> 0:05:47.949 It's definitely not true that God can't hear our prayers 0:05:47.948 --> 0:05:53.469 unless he speaks them again, language gives audible form to 0:05:53.479 --> 0:05:56.030 to our thoughts, but you could also say it does 0:05:56.029 --> 0:05:59.068 more than that. It also focuses it as well. So 0:05:59.068 --> 0:06:00.628 I think um. 0:06:01.490 --> 0:06:05.279 I, I think God can hear your, your silent prayers, your, 0:06:05.370 --> 0:06:09.369 your internal prayers that you aren't expressing audibly, yet I 0:06:09.370 --> 0:06:12.969 find practically for me, most of the time, not always, 0:06:13.128 --> 0:06:15.930 most of the time I think I'm a little scattered 0:06:15.930 --> 0:06:18.479 in my thoughts, and I think once I go to 0:06:18.479 --> 0:06:22.169 articulate them in language, it really concentrates and focuses and 0:06:22.169 --> 0:06:25.199 crafts and sometimes might even shape the prayer. It might 0:06:25.198 --> 0:06:27.940 even change a little bit as I'm, as I'm praying 0:06:27.940 --> 0:06:29.819 because I'm actually thinking through because. 0:06:30.190 --> 0:06:33.219 I might start off with feelings, impressions, things like that, 0:06:33.229 --> 0:06:35.378 and as I go to articulate, I go, hey, you know, 0:06:35.469 --> 0:06:38.430 maybe that's, you know, I know there's the scripture about 0:06:38.430 --> 0:06:40.389 that and that's, that's not the thing I actually should 0:06:40.389 --> 0:06:42.589 pray for even though I felt like praying it maybe 0:06:42.589 --> 0:06:44.470 this is what I should pray for. So I think 0:06:44.469 --> 0:06:45.250 it's helpful. 0:06:46.029 --> 0:06:49.900 Uh, to, to pray aloud, um, I think it's interesting 0:06:49.900 --> 0:06:52.599 on a related note, uh, I think studies have shown 0:06:52.599 --> 0:06:55.199 most ancient readers when they would read would not read 0:06:55.198 --> 0:06:58.039 silently either. They would actually read aloud and like you 0:06:58.039 --> 0:06:59.198 were saying, Char, there's some. 0:06:59.609 --> 0:07:03.099 There's something about reinforcing it when we're speaking aloud, whether 0:07:03.099 --> 0:07:05.779 that's reading or whether that's praying. And, and again, does 0:07:05.779 --> 0:07:08.579 that mean you can't read the Bible silently? No, I 0:07:08.579 --> 0:07:11.259 think probably most of us do read it silently, uh, 0:07:11.329 --> 0:07:13.859 but there is actually something in reading it aloud and, 0:07:13.940 --> 0:07:17.859 and hearing it. So, um, I think it's a valuable practice, 0:07:17.919 --> 0:07:20.739 but not an exclusive one. And if you're reading out loud, 0:07:20.780 --> 0:07:23.359 it doesn't mean to read loud like where your neighbors. Yeah, 0:07:23.699 --> 0:07:26.539 depends on where you are. Yes, yes, that depends too. Claudia, 0:07:26.620 --> 0:07:27.199 what do you think? 0:07:28.590 --> 0:07:31.549 I, I agree with you all, um, you know, and 0:07:31.549 --> 0:07:34.759 there's been times where I've said prayers and like you said, 0:07:34.910 --> 0:07:38.060 where they're from the heart and I can't even express them, 0:07:38.259 --> 0:07:42.079 but I know the Lord hears my heart, so, um, 0:07:42.310 --> 0:07:43.690 I agree with you 100%. 0:07:45.099 --> 0:07:47.720 So that leads to a question we often get about prayer. 0:07:48.109 --> 0:07:50.099 Why do we pray? If God already knows our thoughts? 0:07:50.169 --> 0:07:54.449 He knows what we need. He, what, what's the point? 0:07:54.579 --> 0:07:57.419 And also, if, if he's not gonna change his mind, if, 0:07:57.500 --> 0:08:01.139 if this is going to happen, what would you say, Char? 0:08:01.539 --> 0:08:03.489 Yeah, I think obviously there's a number of things that 0:08:03.490 --> 0:08:06.699 we could say on this. And I think I I 0:08:06.699 --> 0:08:10.180 probably lead with the fact that God, you know, desires 0:08:10.180 --> 0:08:14.039 relationship with us. Of course, God can accomplish His will 0:08:14.039 --> 0:08:16.440 all on his own, but he has invited us. 0:08:17.669 --> 0:08:19.509 uh, to be partners with Him, you know, and the 0:08:19.509 --> 0:08:21.750 prayer that Jesus taught us to pray is really a 0:08:21.750 --> 0:08:27.739 prayer of partnership where we're invited into, you know, pursuing God's, um, hallowedness, 0:08:27.789 --> 0:08:30.389 that his name would be seen holy, His kingdom would come, 0:08:30.509 --> 0:08:32.690 his will would be done. And then of course, we're 0:08:32.690 --> 0:08:37.180 invited to bring our need for provision, our need for protection, 0:08:37.310 --> 0:08:41.499 our need for, um, forgiveness of sin to God, you know, 0:08:41.590 --> 0:08:42.650 so we're bringing 0:08:43.129 --> 0:08:45.798 Ourselves into God's world and bringing God into our world. 0:08:45.879 --> 0:08:48.678 There's really this sense of partnership, this uniting, as the 0:08:48.678 --> 0:08:51.389 prayer says, of on earth as it is in heaven, 0:08:51.798 --> 0:08:54.399 this oneness with God in His kingdom. But I heard 0:08:54.399 --> 0:08:57.199 it articulated a number of years ago and I just thought, wow, 0:08:57.357 --> 0:09:00.319 like that really resonated for me. But someone is saying, 0:09:00.598 --> 0:09:03.269 like when you're carrying stuff, um, 0:09:04.078 --> 0:09:08.160 You know, heavy stuff, um, things that concern you, you know, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.280 maybe big picture stuff where it's just particular to you 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.730 in your situation. Do you want to talk to a 0:09:13.730 --> 0:09:16.800 stranger about these things where you're having to inform them 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.360 about every single detail? Oh, well, you don't know my 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.238 family situation, so let me kind of unpack it for you. 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.118 He said, no, of course, you want to go and 0:09:23.119 --> 0:09:26.319 talk to the person that knows you best. And they 0:09:26.319 --> 0:09:26.790 were saying, 0:09:27.179 --> 0:09:30.290 You know, the invitation, go talk to your father, he 0:09:30.290 --> 0:09:32.660 already knows. And that's what Jesus is saying, right, in 0:09:32.660 --> 0:09:36.300 his kind of um preamble into the Lord's Prayer. Just 0:09:36.300 --> 0:09:39.819 this reminder, God already knows all these things, and how 0:09:39.819 --> 0:09:42.179 much more than the invitation to go and talk to 0:09:42.179 --> 0:09:42.489 the one 0:09:42.775 --> 0:09:46.925 already knows you completely, already knows your situation. You aren't 0:09:46.925 --> 0:09:51.655 needing to inform him, but one who knows you, loves you, 0:09:51.855 --> 0:09:55.254 wills your good. This is the place really where we can, 0:09:55.364 --> 0:09:58.873 as Peter says, cast our cares upon him and really 0:09:58.874 --> 0:10:01.454 have that knowledge and confidence that God cares for us. 0:10:01.535 --> 0:10:04.735 I think that is such a gift that prayer gives us. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.509 Yeah, I think it's actually I just heard a message 0:10:09.509 --> 0:10:12.270 on the radio. It wasn't this station, Brian, but, uh, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.389 the guy was basically, uh, just reinforcing the idea that 0:10:15.389 --> 0:10:18.199 prayer is about getting stuff from God and, and I'm 0:10:18.199 --> 0:10:20.819 not saying that doesn't play a part, but I think 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.578 getting God is what is greatest about prayer, not getting 0:10:25.578 --> 0:10:30.600 something from God. He's not just the cosmic Santa Claus that, oh, 0:10:30.650 --> 0:10:32.670 I come to him when I have a wish list or, 0:10:32.889 --> 0:10:35.300 you know, and I, I just think. 0:10:35.869 --> 0:10:37.920 Because really for a lot of people that quit praying, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.339 that's probably the reason why is, you know, hey, well, 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.309 prayer doesn't work. I go, what in the world do 0:10:43.309 --> 0:10:46.238 you mean it doesn't work? Does friendship not work? You know, 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.900 does love not work? What do you mean it doesn't work? 0:10:49.319 --> 0:10:51.400 They look at it as a tool. God is a 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.439 tool to get something else they want more than God, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.520 and I think that is a fundamental problem. 0:10:55.970 --> 0:10:59.290 Ultimately, if the gospel converts our hearts, then God becomes 0:10:59.290 --> 0:11:02.689 our greatest good. He is the chief object of our desire, 0:11:02.770 --> 0:11:05.650 the pearl of great price. I will do anything to 0:11:05.650 --> 0:11:07.889 get more of God, to be with God. And the 0:11:07.889 --> 0:11:10.328 more you read the Bible and all the manifold pictures 0:11:10.689 --> 0:11:13.210 you have of, you know, God is our Father, right, 0:11:13.249 --> 0:11:15.040 in the Lord's Prayer. But then I, one of my 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.489 favorite verses in Exodus, and the Lord spake unto Moses 0:11:18.489 --> 0:11:20.670 face to face as a man speaks with his friend. 0:11:21.129 --> 0:11:22.770 And there was something that when I would read that 0:11:22.770 --> 0:11:25.210 would just move me just the, you know, again this 0:11:25.210 --> 0:11:28.530 is God Almighty, right? Creator of heaven and earth, and, 0:11:28.610 --> 0:11:31.849 and yet at the same time Moses is speaking face 0:11:31.850 --> 0:11:35.488 to face like a man speaks with his friend, and 0:11:35.489 --> 0:11:38.748 I think that's the beauty of prayer. You're communing with 0:11:39.009 --> 0:11:41.369 the God of scripture who is your father who you 0:11:41.369 --> 0:11:44.290 can also speak to face to face as, as though 0:11:44.290 --> 0:11:47.730 a friend and, and I think getting time with God 0:11:47.730 --> 0:11:50.499 and I, and I know that the analogy is imperfect, but. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.119 You know how many of us like it when somebody 0:11:54.119 --> 0:11:57.118 only comes to us when they need something. Um, again, 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:58.879 if we love somebody, we do want them to come 0:11:58.879 --> 0:12:01.079 to us, right when they have needs, you know, they're sick, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.069 they're tired, they, they need some money, whatever it is, 0:12:03.119 --> 0:12:05.319 of course I want you to come to me, but 0:12:05.439 --> 0:12:08.920 if that's the only, you never wanna like just talk 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:10.759 with me, you never want to spend time with me, 0:12:10.819 --> 0:12:12.339 it's just give me, give me, gimme. 0:12:12.900 --> 0:12:16.869 Again, that's just not a real relation that's transactional and 0:12:16.869 --> 0:12:19.910 we have too many transactional relationships in this life and 0:12:19.910 --> 0:12:22.429 I think ultimately the goal of all this it's actually 0:12:22.429 --> 0:12:27.949 is relationship. God is restoring the relationship that was destroyed 0:12:27.949 --> 0:12:30.259 right through sin through the breach of trust through the 0:12:30.259 --> 0:12:32.030 violation of that relationship and. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.879 In prayer, we're communing with God. So that's, that's number one. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.719 And I think that's why even the, the request for 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.118 daily bread, which I think that's the most natural pray, uh, 0:12:43.150 --> 0:12:45.258 prayer for us to, to go to, and it's not wrong. 0:12:45.739 --> 0:12:48.679 But I think the order of the Lord's Prayer matters. 0:12:48.860 --> 0:12:53.220 I think beginning with God, remembering life is not ultimately 0:12:53.220 --> 0:12:56.340 about me. It's not ultimately about what I want, which 0:12:56.340 --> 0:12:59.660 might even be compelling this entire, you know, session of prayer. I'm, 0:12:59.739 --> 0:13:02.179 I'm only doing it, but then the Lord's Prayer reminds me, hey. 0:13:02.780 --> 0:13:05.059 I need more than the thing I'm coming to God for. 0:13:05.139 --> 0:13:07.650 I need more of God. So I think just focusing 0:13:07.650 --> 0:13:10.569 on relationship, thinking about prayer, the best thing about prayer, 0:13:10.619 --> 0:13:14.100 which you won't be disappointed, is getting God. If you 0:13:14.100 --> 0:13:18.139 just want something from God, yes, you'll probably be disappointed 0:13:18.139 --> 0:13:20.499 at times because as it turns out, even in my 0:13:20.499 --> 0:13:23.780 own life, God often disagrees with me with what I 0:13:23.780 --> 0:13:24.499 think I need. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.840 Yeah, I think too there is that aspect, and I 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.809 feel like we're hitting this in some ways, so I 0:13:30.809 --> 0:13:32.270 just want to say it kind of on the nose, 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:37.639 but that we can also pursue prayer properly for a relationship, 0:13:38.078 --> 0:13:40.988 make requests and God not answer, and we can be 0:13:40.989 --> 0:13:43.520 disappointed and we can be hurt. You know, I think 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.639 about even Jesus, right? Like, Father, if it's possible, let 0:13:46.639 --> 0:13:47.679 this cup pass from me. 0:13:48.379 --> 0:13:50.300 Nevertheless, not what I will, but your will be done. 0:13:50.578 --> 0:13:53.219 I don't think, you know, when Jesus, you know, obviously 0:13:53.220 --> 0:13:55.959 receives the answer to, no, you're going to the cross, 0:13:56.170 --> 0:13:58.819 he isn't like, all right, yep, great, cool. But we've 0:13:58.819 --> 0:14:01.619 got relationships, so I'm good. Like, that was 0:14:02.429 --> 0:14:06.839 Definitely disappointing, you know, sorrowful unto death is the way 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.469 that Jesus describes his state. And I think, you know, 0:14:09.670 --> 0:14:11.949 coming out of a season of loss in our family. 0:14:12.550 --> 0:14:14.720 I, I feel like I'm in that space where I'm 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.460 living like, OK, like I have a relationship with God. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.860 I go to him with these things. I also make 0:14:19.860 --> 0:14:23.329 requests and God has not answered those requests, and it hurts. And, 0:14:23.379 --> 0:14:25.259 and there's a reality to that that I don't think 0:14:25.259 --> 0:14:27.619 we want to, we don't want to shy away from 0:14:27.619 --> 0:14:30.379 that we can also be disappointed with God and still 0:14:30.379 --> 0:14:33.739 be in relationship with God, right? We can use prayer 0:14:33.739 --> 0:14:38.220 properly as a place of submission to, you know, man, yes, 0:14:38.420 --> 0:14:41.329 prayer is about relationship with God. It's about 0:14:41.699 --> 0:14:44.929 Um, accomplishing God's will, and it's also about making our 0:14:44.929 --> 0:14:45.989 requests to God. 0:14:46.819 --> 0:14:47.639 And yet 0:14:48.540 --> 0:14:50.689 You know, we might find that God, you know, even 0:14:50.689 --> 0:14:53.619 when we're like, I guess like living in the right 0:14:53.860 --> 0:14:55.699 space of what prayer is supposed to do, we can 0:14:55.699 --> 0:14:59.179 still be disappointed and, and hurt, and that's OK, you know, 0:14:59.259 --> 0:15:02.420 like even in our relation, human relationships, we can still 0:15:02.420 --> 0:15:04.460 have that dynamic. So I just, I think it's just 0:15:04.460 --> 0:15:06.879 important to hit on that. I think I'm more sensitive 0:15:06.879 --> 0:15:09.420 to it now just coming out of this. Well, and again, 0:15:09.460 --> 0:15:12.369 this is why I think like the laments like paying 0:15:12.369 --> 0:15:15.020 attention to this in scripture, like the picture that came 0:15:15.020 --> 0:15:17.540 to my mind is John the Baptist was disappointed with Jesus, 0:15:17.610 --> 0:15:18.270 which is quite. 0:15:18.579 --> 0:15:21.660 Ironic, right? He's the forerunner. He's the prophet in the wilderness. 0:15:21.739 --> 0:15:23.939 Makes straight the way of the Lord. Then he gets 0:15:23.939 --> 0:15:27.619 locked up and actually sends his own disciples. Uh, are 0:15:27.619 --> 0:15:30.420 you the one we're waiting for, or should we look 0:15:30.420 --> 0:15:34.020 for another? Imagine just like linger on those words. What 0:15:34.020 --> 0:15:36.650 kind of disillusion? I mean, John was there baptizing him. 0:15:36.699 --> 0:15:39.410 The heavens were open. The voice of God declaring, this 0:15:39.410 --> 0:15:41.259 is my son and who well pleased the Spirit is, 0:15:41.340 --> 0:15:44.059 I mean, shouldn't he have known, but the experience of 0:15:44.059 --> 0:15:45.280 disappointment can be. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:50.470 So powerful in the experience that we go, is it you, Lord, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.800 and the laments are there. But I think again using 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.280 the analogy of, of marriage, like, are you gonna be 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.600 disappointed with your spouse at times? Are you gonna be hurt? 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.040 Do you say I'm not talking to you anymore? Some 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.920 people do that. That's actually how they manage the pain. 0:16:04.999 --> 0:16:06.759 They go, look, I'm not gonna divorce you. I think 0:16:06.759 --> 0:16:09.160 that'd be wrong. God, I'm not gonna like become not 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:10.179 a Christian anymore. 0:16:10.819 --> 0:16:12.739 But I am gonna stop talking to you because it 0:16:12.739 --> 0:16:15.739 hurts too much and that is a way, and I 0:16:15.739 --> 0:16:17.540 understand that and I'm not like beating people up for 0:16:17.540 --> 0:16:20.079 doing that. I mean, I've probably had my own seasons 0:16:20.300 --> 0:16:23.540 where like God greatly, greatly hurt me and disappointed me 0:16:23.540 --> 0:16:26.540 and or, or I should say this, that was my 0:16:26.540 --> 0:16:30.300 felt experience, right? I believe God of all the earth 0:16:30.300 --> 0:16:33.220 did right. Uh, I trust His sovereign will, but did 0:16:33.220 --> 0:16:36.660 I feel that way? Was it easy? Absolutely not. It 0:16:36.660 --> 0:16:39.400 made zero sense to me, seemed wrong to me. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.329 Um, and I think the safest thing I could do 0:16:43.329 --> 0:16:46.770 was tell God about it, and I think it's unfortunate. I, 0:16:46.889 --> 0:16:49.369 I heard, you know, periodically over the years, more when 0:16:49.369 --> 0:16:51.809 I was growing up, like you can't talk to God 0:16:51.809 --> 0:16:54.530 that way. It would be disrespectful. Don't, don't tell God 0:16:54.530 --> 0:16:57.790 you're angry at Him or you're disappointed or it's wrong. 0:16:57.879 --> 0:17:00.129 It's a lack of faith if you're angry at God 0:17:00.129 --> 0:17:01.170 or whatever, but I'm like. 0:17:01.809 --> 0:17:05.050 The more I read God's own word, I realize that's 0:17:05.050 --> 0:17:09.770 not true. The saints have encountered this. David has encountered this, 0:17:09.850 --> 0:17:13.429 and they're crying out, God, why? Why, you know, Jesus, 0:17:13.570 --> 0:17:16.450 why have you forsaken me? David, why am I crying 0:17:16.450 --> 0:17:19.089 all night long? You know, I'm drowning in tears. Tears 0:17:19.089 --> 0:17:21.560 are my only food. I'm not eating anything else. I 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.479 have a diet of tears. That's all I'm eating right 0:17:23.479 --> 0:17:26.089 now because I'm so hurt. I'm so overwhelmed, and you 0:17:26.089 --> 0:17:27.440 seemingly are doing nothing. 0:17:27.879 --> 0:17:30.688 And we're reminded, hey, this is a part of the 0:17:30.687 --> 0:17:33.208 road that we're on, but what we do know is 0:17:33.208 --> 0:17:36.009 not to give up even the disappointment we can take 0:17:36.009 --> 0:17:36.889 to God in prayer. 0:17:38.020 --> 0:17:41.680 We often close our prayers with in Jesus' name, amen, 0:17:41.940 --> 0:17:42.530 but 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:47.999 Should we close them more often with, nevertheless, not my 0:17:47.999 --> 0:17:52.310 will but thine, because those are hard words to say, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.330 the in Jesus' name, amen part, that's like, oh, yes, 0:17:55.479 --> 0:17:58.119 that we've been taught to end our prayers that way, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.080 but to take it a step further and to realize 0:18:01.089 --> 0:18:05.270 that we're making our petition known, but yeah, I think 0:18:05.270 --> 0:18:09.400 if we understand the phrase in the name of Jesus, 0:18:09.719 --> 0:18:10.940 then we will actually understand. 0:18:11.239 --> 0:18:15.440 I think it's actually synonymous with praying to nevertheless, your will, 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.430 because we're saying, Lord, all of these things bring them 0:18:18.430 --> 0:18:21.359 into alignment with the name of Jesus, the person of Jesus, 0:18:21.469 --> 0:18:23.759 the career of Jesus, the mission of Jesus, the glory 0:18:23.759 --> 0:18:26.749 of Jesus, you know, sometimes we're just signing off is 0:18:26.749 --> 0:18:30.748 like the way we think of sincerely, yeah. So, but yeah, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.599 I think that that is what we're asking all, you know, 0:18:33.700 --> 0:18:35.060 for the sake of his name. 0:18:36.249 --> 0:18:39.509 Yeah, I mean, it's actually implied in the first line 0:18:39.509 --> 0:18:42.050 when you say our Father, who our name in the scripture, 0:18:42.290 --> 0:18:45.259 we have no right to call God our Father but 0:18:45.259 --> 0:18:47.930 through the Son Jesus Christ, you know, what is it, 0:18:48.089 --> 0:18:51.888 John 1:12, to them He gave the right to be. 0:18:52.124 --> 0:18:55.165 Called sons of God, we don't have the right naturally 0:18:55.384 --> 0:18:58.185 we only have the right through Jesus so it's in Jesus' 0:18:58.185 --> 0:19:01.224 name we're able to rightly call on God as our 0:19:01.224 --> 0:19:04.464 father and it's funny because I, I just listened to 0:19:04.464 --> 0:19:11.763 another local, uh, pastor and he was rebuking the congregation 0:19:11.763 --> 0:19:15.613 for praying with doubt and by praying with doubt he meant, um, 0:19:15.624 --> 0:19:19.744 but Lord if it's not your will and I'm like wow. 0:19:20.290 --> 0:19:22.679 I could have sworn I heard somebody pray that and 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.450 I thought it was in the Bible and oh wait, 0:19:24.489 --> 0:19:28.129 it's Jesus. I'm like, well, you know what, if the 0:19:28.129 --> 0:19:31.690 perfect model of prayer is Jesus, which I'm gonna go 0:19:31.690 --> 0:19:34.690 ahead and say it is, um, he prayed that way 0:19:34.690 --> 0:19:38.800 he modeled it for us nevertheless, not my will, but 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.389 thy will be done. That is not a lack of faith. I've, 0:19:41.609 --> 0:19:44.290 I've had people say that over the years and, and 0:19:44.290 --> 0:19:47.050 this can be profoundly hurtful, right? Like I, I think 0:19:47.050 --> 0:19:48.149 one time it came up. 0:19:48.509 --> 0:19:50.450 I was praying for my very sick daughter. 0:19:51.430 --> 0:19:54.359 And, and I prayed, Lord, you know, I, you know, 0:19:54.479 --> 0:19:57.119 prayed for healing and, you know, whether it's supernaturally, I 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.499 believe in that, I believe that's possible, whether it's through 0:19:59.499 --> 0:20:01.869 the natural processes, which I don't take for granted because 0:20:01.869 --> 0:20:04.679 doctors can make mistakes all the time. So that's not 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.099 a cop-out in my opinion, uh, but praying for that, 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:08.479 and then I also prayed nevertheless, not. 0:20:09.020 --> 0:20:11.139 My will, but I will be done just acknowledging I'm 0:20:11.138 --> 0:20:13.738