WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-10/15/26 0:00:17.259 --> 0:00:21.910 Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez. We're 0:00:21.910 --> 0:00:24.690 gonna be here for an hour. The phone lines are open. 0:00:24.870 --> 0:00:28.770 Call in, talk to us, let's dialogue about God's word, 0:00:28.909 --> 0:00:31.349 about the Christian faith, just about anything you want to 0:00:31.349 --> 0:00:34.610 talk about, we can talk about today on Pastor's perspective. 0:00:34.829 --> 0:00:37.989 You don't even have to be a Christian, so to speak. 0:00:38.069 --> 0:00:40.790 Maybe you just found us on the dial by accident 0:00:40.790 --> 0:00:44.569 or something, or you, you got a recommendation on YouTube. 0:00:45.110 --> 0:00:47.670 Click it and you, well, you've already clicked it. Now 0:00:47.670 --> 0:00:52.630 we're gonna dialogue. So call in 888-564-6173 is the number 0:00:52.629 --> 0:00:55.060 to call. We're gonna be here till 4. You can 0:00:55.060 --> 0:00:59.429 also submit your questions online through Facebook or YouTube or 0:00:59.429 --> 0:01:03.510 our radio station's website, Kwave.com. You can also watch us 0:01:03.510 --> 0:01:07.929 live stream on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and that's it. Um, 0:01:08.819 --> 0:01:12.699 Podcast is what I meant. Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. 0:01:12.780 --> 0:01:15.578 But if you're here right now, Thursday afternoon, give us 0:01:15.578 --> 0:01:20.658 a call at 888-564-6173. Answering your questions today, we've got 0:01:20.658 --> 0:01:23.700 Phil Metzger, the pastor of Calvary San Diego, and he 0:01:23.700 --> 0:01:26.780 is not on Zoom today. He is here in the studio. 0:01:27.158 --> 0:01:29.560 It is always good to see you in person, Phil Metzger. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.990 And joining us is Aaron Hale. He's the pastor of 0:01:32.990 --> 0:01:38.600 Calvary Chapel, Forrest Frank, no, Calvary Chapel, uh, Foothill Ranch, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.640 which rhymes with Forrest Frank, so maybe that's what I 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.359 was thinking, but it's in the city of Lake Forest, 0:01:42.719 --> 0:01:44.979 so I guess I got everything confused. But anyway, 0:01:45.688 --> 0:01:47.549 Good to have you both of you here. You guys 0:01:47.969 --> 0:01:50.639 kind of know each other, sort of. So, uh, let's, uh, 0:01:50.649 --> 0:01:53.810 let's reintroduce. Aaron, tell Phil a little bit about yourself 0:01:53.810 --> 0:01:58.049 and then vice versa. So I've been at Calvary Chapel 0:01:58.049 --> 0:02:02.369 Foothill Ranch since 2020, and that year we merged the 0:02:02.369 --> 0:02:05.409 church I pastored prior to that, which was Kingsfield, another 0:02:05.409 --> 0:02:07.289 Calvary Chapel. We were in Mission Viejo. 0:02:07.719 --> 0:02:11.369 Our congregations came together and uh we've we've been doing 0:02:11.369 --> 0:02:14.359 that now for about 7 years. So, uh, before that, 0:02:14.490 --> 0:02:16.288 I was out in the Inland Empire at Calvary Chapel 0:02:16.289 --> 0:02:20.070 of Redlands, the packing house. You were packing. I was, yeah, 0:02:20.210 --> 0:02:23.449 with my best bud. I do, I know your best bud, yeah. 0:02:24.389 --> 0:02:27.790 Greg Opine. Yes, yes, Greg's a good guy. So Phil, 0:02:27.900 --> 0:02:31.230 tell us about you. Yeah, I am 8 years now 0:02:31.230 --> 0:02:35.370 in South San Diego, Calvary, San Diego, and before that, 0:02:35.430 --> 0:02:38.880 22 years in Eastern Europe, church planning in the country 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:44.219 of Hungary, and also in Russia, and but mainly in Hungary. Nice. Yeah, 0:02:44.430 --> 0:02:47.260 now you're, now you're here. I'm here. Yay, I'm right 0:02:47.260 --> 0:02:49.380 next to you guys. Yeah, I get to be in studio. 0:02:49.419 --> 0:02:50.070 It's always fun. 0:02:50.499 --> 0:02:52.740 Get to hang out with the dudes. Yay. All right, 0:02:52.820 --> 0:02:58.579 so call in and talk to Phil and Aaron at 888-564-6173. 0:02:58.820 --> 0:03:00.699 As I mentioned a little while ago, you can also 0:03:00.699 --> 0:03:02.980 submit your questions online. So let's begin with a question 0:03:02.980 --> 0:03:05.579 that was submitted online and then we'll go to the phones, uh. 0:03:05.699 --> 0:03:10.100 Here is Darius in Plano, Texas's question. He writes, In 0:03:10.100 --> 0:03:13.020 my Christian life I desire to be faithful and practicing 0:03:13.020 --> 0:03:18.199 spiritual disciplines like prayer, Bible reading, regular church attendance, etc. However, 0:03:18.380 --> 0:03:20.930 one area that I've been finding myself dormant, 0:03:21.650 --> 0:03:24.659 dormant in is sharing my faith. I believe one of 0:03:24.659 --> 0:03:27.680 the reasons why is that I often find myself feeling 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:32.579 insecure about being open about my Christianity because of my 0:03:32.579 --> 0:03:36.850 awareness of my own personal flaws and shortcomings. Normally we 0:03:36.850 --> 0:03:38.639 get questions like, I'm afraid that 0:03:39.189 --> 0:03:41.279 Someone's gonna ask me a question that I can't answer, 0:03:41.549 --> 0:03:43.859 but that's not what Darius is saying. He says, uh, 0:03:43.909 --> 0:03:46.109 whenever I'm feeling stressed or under pressure, I have a 0:03:46.109 --> 0:03:49.889 tendency to feel irritable, and it can sometimes show through 0:03:49.889 --> 0:03:53.499 in my facial expressions while interacting with people during these times. 0:03:53.710 --> 0:03:55.630 It hasn't been a big enough issue to make people 0:03:55.630 --> 0:03:58.469 dislike me, but it is noticeable at times, so it's 0:03:58.469 --> 0:04:00.889 something I try to be conscious of. 0:04:01.540 --> 0:04:04.409 Things like this can cause me to feel worried about 0:04:04.409 --> 0:04:07.329 people knowing I'm a Christian. I don't want my own 0:04:07.329 --> 0:04:10.969 personal flaws to be something that puts people off from Christianity, 0:04:11.090 --> 0:04:13.469 since it may sometimes seem like it doesn't really make 0:04:13.469 --> 0:04:16.210 me all that different from anybody else. I desire to 0:04:16.210 --> 0:04:18.529 share my faith, but I struggle with feeling like it 0:04:18.529 --> 0:04:21.490 would be hypocritical to be the one telling others about 0:04:21.490 --> 0:04:23.808 Jesus when I know I have a lot of areas 0:04:23.808 --> 0:04:26.318 that I need to grow in myself, even though my 0:04:26.318 --> 0:04:27.089 personal character. 0:04:27.164 --> 0:04:29.883 Isn't the only measure by which people would judge the 0:04:29.883 --> 0:04:33.844 validity of Christianity. I know it makes an impact. Besides this, 0:04:33.924 --> 0:04:35.924 I also struggle to know how to start a conversation 0:04:35.924 --> 0:04:39.864 about Jesus with people without it feeling random and awkward. 0:04:40.044 --> 0:04:42.544 Do you have any biblical advice for someone who desires 0:04:42.544 --> 0:04:45.284 to share their faith but struggles with the fear of 0:04:45.284 --> 0:04:48.714 not representing Christ as they should, and also any practical 0:04:48.714 --> 0:04:52.125 tips on how to start spiritual conversations with people? Aaron, 0:04:52.275 --> 0:04:52.844 we'll start with you. 0:04:54.229 --> 0:04:56.719 I feel like I can relate to you, Darius, um. 0:04:57.789 --> 0:05:00.989 struggling with that that sense of inadequacy or just an 0:05:00.990 --> 0:05:03.138 awareness of sin and that that. 0:05:04.508 --> 0:05:09.198 draining power and boldness. And I, I think maybe there's 0:05:09.198 --> 0:05:12.628 two sides to that, as, as I'm reflecting on your question. 0:05:12.750 --> 0:05:14.829 First of all, my mind goes to Ephesians chapter 2 0:05:14.829 --> 0:05:17.620 verse 8, for by grace you have been saved through faith, 0:05:17.948 --> 0:05:20.270 that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God 0:05:20.270 --> 0:05:24.909 lest anyone should boast. The gospel itself is centered, it's grounded, 0:05:24.969 --> 0:05:28.508 it's rooted in grace, and we have to remember that. 0:05:29.068 --> 0:05:32.219 And you're never gonna get to the place where, or 0:05:32.219 --> 0:05:34.229 at least you shouldn't get to the place where you're, 0:05:34.508 --> 0:05:37.310 you're ministering or sharing the gospel from. 0:05:38.029 --> 0:05:44.409 Uh, personal strength. At the same time, our, our testimony 0:05:44.409 --> 0:05:47.429 and our dependence on the, the, the, the Holy Spirit, 0:05:47.500 --> 0:05:52.029 our nearness to Christ, that is important. And a degree 0:05:52.029 --> 0:05:55.989 of self-examination is healthy. Too much can become, you know, 0:05:56.029 --> 0:06:00.139 an introspection that drowns us in, in condemnation, and that's, 0:06:00.190 --> 0:06:02.479 that's not good. That's, that's not where we want to go. 0:06:02.549 --> 0:06:02.818 But 0:06:03.190 --> 0:06:05.440 But, but I look at Galatians 5 at the fruit 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.638 of the spirit and, and uh repentance, crying out to 0:06:09.639 --> 0:06:14.359 God for help and more grace. Uh, but I, I 0:06:14.359 --> 0:06:14.849 think 0:06:16.049 --> 0:06:22.888 Standing, standing in the reality that it's the message that, that, uh, it's, 0:06:22.930 --> 0:06:26.289 it's the gospel. It's the work that Christ has done, 0:06:26.669 --> 0:06:29.449 not the work that we do, but by which people 0:06:29.448 --> 0:06:32.929 are saved. And just quickly, the, the idea of starting 0:06:32.930 --> 0:06:36.169 a conversation, how do we get there? Um, when I 0:06:36.169 --> 0:06:40.638 heard the question, my mind went to Greg Cochel's book Tactics. It's, 0:06:40.690 --> 0:06:42.888 it's a great resource if you're looking for one. 0:06:43.378 --> 0:06:45.469 To kind of dig into, to stretch yourself a little 0:06:45.469 --> 0:06:47.690 bit and sharing the gospel. He's real big on 0:06:48.579 --> 0:06:52.299 Asking questions and putting, he talks about putting a pebble 0:06:52.299 --> 0:06:56.299 in someone's shoe. Maybe you're too intimidated to share the 0:06:56.299 --> 0:06:58.729 whole message, or you feel like you're not able to, but, 0:06:58.979 --> 0:07:00.729 but you can ask questions and you can listen to 0:07:00.729 --> 0:07:02.819 their answers, and you can leave them with something to 0:07:02.818 --> 0:07:08.279 think about that that leaves them uncomfortable, and, and, uh, 0:07:08.698 --> 0:07:11.849 in comparison to where they were before, and maybe would 0:07:11.849 --> 0:07:15.900 stir them to think more about Christ. Yeah, it's a 0:07:15.900 --> 0:07:16.340 great answer. 0:07:16.879 --> 0:07:19.319 Yeah, I mean, and maybe I'll come at it from 0:07:19.319 --> 0:07:22.189 a different angle, just so there's, there's even more here, 0:07:22.500 --> 0:07:24.359 because that was a great answer, but I'm thinking for 0:07:24.359 --> 0:07:26.979 this guy James and whoever else is wondering that thing, 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.539 I would say like when you're worried that you become 0:07:29.539 --> 0:07:32.199 irritable and defensive in the way that you talk, how 0:07:32.199 --> 0:07:34.079 do you think you're gonna get better? Like, do you 0:07:34.079 --> 0:07:38.150 think by not sharing you're gonna become less irritable? No, 0:07:38.359 --> 0:07:41.078 the way you're gonna get less irritable is to just 0:07:41.079 --> 0:07:42.109 keep sharing. 0:07:42.620 --> 0:07:46.530 Get more comfortable like speaking, speaking it out, like if 0:07:46.530 --> 0:07:50.030 you know that's your, your tendency, then just pay attention 0:07:50.030 --> 0:07:53.569 to that. Um, I, I think there's a real, real, 0:07:53.710 --> 0:07:56.289 real mistake when we as Christians believe 0:07:56.970 --> 0:08:00.009 That our goodness is going to have a greater impact 0:08:00.009 --> 0:08:06.139 upon a person's salvation than our humanity. We are testimonies 0:08:06.139 --> 0:08:12.569 of grace, not of high moral or ethical standard. So 0:08:12.569 --> 0:08:16.770 if you approach evangelism as, well, I need to make 0:08:16.770 --> 0:08:20.009 sure that they get my best foot moving forward, just 0:08:20.009 --> 0:08:23.349 know this, they'll smell your hypocrisy. 0:08:23.940 --> 0:08:26.419 Uh, just like we all can. So just be an honest, 0:08:26.539 --> 0:08:29.139 real person, and I, I didn't, I haven't read that 0:08:29.139 --> 0:08:31.569 book Tactics, that sounds great. I was just gonna say too, 0:08:31.780 --> 0:08:33.930 the way I found the the best way to have 0:08:33.930 --> 0:08:37.520 conversations is to listen to people. Everybody likes to talk, 0:08:37.740 --> 0:08:40.460 and if you let them, you'll have an open door. 0:08:40.780 --> 0:08:43.139 Jesus did this, it was a great practice, we got 0:08:43.139 --> 0:08:46.480 to do the same thing, but stop waiting for 0:08:47.050 --> 0:08:50.309 You to do good because like my experience is, you know, 0:08:50.730 --> 0:08:53.650 doing good enough is like having enough money or being 0:08:53.650 --> 0:08:57.369 prepared for kids you're never there. There's always more. There's 0:08:57.369 --> 0:09:00.988 just always more so stop waiting and get after it 0:09:01.290 --> 0:09:04.429 and sometimes it's not even about starting a spiritual conversation, 0:09:04.910 --> 0:09:05.249 but starting a. 0:09:05.340 --> 0:09:10.138 Conversation period, which you never know, could lead into because 0:09:10.139 --> 0:09:12.170 you're talking to somebody. So where do you live? Oh, 0:09:12.179 --> 0:09:14.910 I just moved into the area. Oh, you did? What 0:09:14.910 --> 0:09:17.059 church are you going to? Well, I haven't found one yet. 0:09:17.139 --> 0:09:19.699 Come to my church, you know, whatever. Who knows? Everything 0:09:19.699 --> 0:09:22.020 is an opportunity. I mean, you know, you think of 0:09:22.020 --> 0:09:23.719 Jesus talking to this woman at a well. 0:09:24.170 --> 0:09:28.530 It didn't start spiritual. It was a simple conversation, and 0:09:28.530 --> 0:09:30.929 we just got to be willing to have, but you got, listen, 0:09:31.050 --> 0:09:34.210 you gotta have simple conversations that don't have to lead there. 0:09:34.328 --> 0:09:37.050 You just hope that the door opens. Sometimes people can 0:09:37.050 --> 0:09:40.170 tell when you're like, I don't care about what you're saying. 0:09:40.290 --> 0:09:42.170 I just want to get to Jesus, you know? And 0:09:42.170 --> 0:09:44.210 you gotta, you just gotta actually care about people, and 0:09:44.210 --> 0:09:46.410 the doors will definitely open brain. That's a really good point. 0:09:47.189 --> 0:09:49.910 OK, Darius, thank you so much for sending in your 0:09:49.910 --> 0:09:54.069 question through the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com, which you 0:09:54.069 --> 0:09:56.150 can easily get to if you scan the QR code 0:09:56.150 --> 0:09:59.050 on Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram right now. Let's go to 0:09:59.050 --> 0:10:04.449 the phones, 888-564-6173 is our number. We're gonna start with 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.869 John in San Juan Capistrano listening to K-Wave. Hey, John, 0:10:07.989 --> 0:10:08.748 what's your question? 0:10:10.090 --> 0:10:13.670 My question is, pastors, uh, 0:10:14.410 --> 0:10:18.819 Um, did the, the Hebrews built the pyramids. I can't, 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.420 I just can't seem to, you know, nobody seems to know. 0:10:22.540 --> 0:10:24.650 So I'm gonna hang up and you, if you have 0:10:24.650 --> 0:10:29.400 any information I could look up or whatever just because 0:10:29.499 --> 0:10:32.980 it seems like it's a mystery to me and uh. 0:10:34.150 --> 0:10:37.540 That's what I would think, that since they were they were, 0:10:37.578 --> 0:10:43.460 you know, captive by, by, uh, the Egyptians, they built it, 0:10:43.699 --> 0:10:45.618 but I, I just don't know, so I'm gonna hang 0:10:45.619 --> 0:10:48.980 up and, and I'm gonna listen to your, uh, what 0:10:48.980 --> 0:10:49.139 you 0:10:49.139 --> 0:10:50.759 have to say. Thanks, pastors. 0:10:50.860 --> 0:10:54.020 Alright, thanks for calling in, John. Yeah, happy to start, John, 0:10:54.100 --> 0:10:57.780 the pyramids, the ones that you're thinking of, were built 0:10:57.780 --> 0:11:00.368 about 1000 years before the Jews were slaves in Egypt, 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.090 so no, they did not build the pyramids. 0:11:03.550 --> 0:11:06.429 They are, you know, when you read about their, their slavery, 0:11:06.509 --> 0:11:09.110 you do read about them making bricks and all. Remember 0:11:09.110 --> 0:11:12.610 the Egyptians were prolific builders, kind of like the Romans, 0:11:12.869 --> 0:11:16.869 most societies were back in those days. They're prolific builders, 0:11:16.939 --> 0:11:20.709 and so in every generation they use slave labor to 0:11:20.710 --> 0:11:24.619 build their monuments, and so we read about the Jews 0:11:24.619 --> 0:11:27.189 building and having certain cities that they were a part of, 0:11:27.270 --> 0:11:29.610 but that would have been 1000 years, give or take. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:34.079 You know, think Abraham's day when the pyramids were being built, not, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.959 not the days of, uh, the, the slavery, the bondage 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:39.748 for the Israelites. 0:11:41.170 --> 0:11:44.400 Oh, nothing to add to that. They, they built some cities. 0:11:44.530 --> 0:11:47.879 Exodus one talks about that, but as Phil pointed out, 0:11:47.939 --> 0:11:51.020 the dates, the dates are different. Can you imagine just 0:11:51.020 --> 0:11:52.819 building those things? I mean, how did they do it? 0:11:52.900 --> 0:11:55.900 Did they have, I mean, did they have cranes and 0:11:55.900 --> 0:11:58.859 things like we have nowadays? It's incredible. I, I love 0:11:58.860 --> 0:12:00.020 all this like, I mean. 0:12:00.379 --> 0:12:02.770 They're like the Mythbusters or people like that that are like, 0:12:02.949 --> 0:12:04.900 you know, they're they're starting to figure out how these 0:12:04.900 --> 0:12:07.139 things happened, and it seems like, you know, they use 0:12:07.139 --> 0:12:09.660 a lot of water, they, they, you know, all of 0:12:09.660 --> 0:12:11.819 a sudden things became more buoyant when you put it 0:12:11.819 --> 0:12:15.578 in water and things like that. It's fascinating stuff. It 0:12:15.578 --> 0:12:18.078 wasn't built just by human, like, you couldn't just lift, 0:12:18.220 --> 0:12:20.340 you can't get enough people around a, a stone that 0:12:20.340 --> 0:12:23.819 big to lift. It's just not. They were very smart. 0:12:23.939 --> 0:12:25.780 Let's put it like that, man. These people were a 0:12:25.780 --> 0:12:27.379 lot smarter than we give them credit for. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.879 Thank you so much for your phone call today, John. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:35.479 888-564-6173 is the number. Let's talk to Tommy and Temecula 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.960 listening to K-wave. What's your question, Tommy? 0:12:40.429 --> 0:12:41.319 How are you guys doing? 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.839 Doing well. You're on with Phil Metzger and Aaron Hale. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:44.699 What did you wanna know? 0:12:46.199 --> 0:12:49.710 Uh, is there a certain way to pray for healing? Like, 0:12:50.530 --> 0:12:53.389 you know, I've been praying for a long time for 0:12:53.489 --> 0:12:54.540 my youngest son. 0:12:55.369 --> 0:12:57.509 He just, he suffers. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.238 From anxiety, like, I mean, it's bad and OCD is 0:13:03.239 --> 0:13:07.499 like bad where like he won't even go outside, you know. 0:13:08.530 --> 0:13:12.389 Um, we, we lost our oldest boy about a year ago. 0:13:13.220 --> 0:13:16.739 My youngest, he was dealing with, with what he's going 0:13:16.739 --> 0:13:20.679 through before my son passed away, but it got worse 0:13:21.259 --> 0:13:25.480 after he passed away, so like I mean. 0:13:26.449 --> 0:13:29.170 I trust God. I know he hears me, but does 0:13:29.170 --> 0:13:32.790 he hear me? Like I'm, I'm praying like, oh Dave, 0:13:33.369 --> 0:13:34.650 how old is your son, Tommy? 0:13:36.780 --> 0:13:37.800 He's 21. 0:13:39.199 --> 0:13:40.230 Aaron, what would you say? 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:41.139 Oh, 0:13:41.759 --> 0:13:42.860 Tommy, I'm sorry. 0:13:44.249 --> 0:13:48.449 That's a really heavy situation. Um, sorry for your, your 0:13:48.449 --> 0:13:51.170 son that you lost and now this one that's struggling, 0:13:51.239 --> 0:13:51.569 I think. 0:13:52.629 --> 0:13:56.109 When our kids are hurting, that's, I, I don't know 0:13:56.110 --> 0:13:58.670 that there are things that are more difficult than that. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:13:59.030 And 0:13:59.790 --> 0:14:02.170 How to, how to pray for them, I think. 0:14:04.980 --> 0:14:08.619 Praying the word, uh, a scripture actually comes to mind. 0:14:08.739 --> 0:14:13.030 Isaiah chapter 57 verse 15. For thus says the high 0:14:13.030 --> 0:14:16.480 and lofty one who inhabits eternity, whose name is holy, 0:14:16.860 --> 0:14:18.840 I dwell in the high and holy place. 0:14:20.270 --> 0:14:23.270 As also the, um, I think it's the ESV that 0:14:23.270 --> 0:14:25.610 adds an as also. So I'm gonna put that in there. 0:14:25.829 --> 0:14:28.350 I'm reading from the New King James with him who 0:14:28.350 --> 0:14:32.110 has a contrite and a humble spirit, to revive the 0:14:32.110 --> 0:14:33.829 spirit of the humble and to revive the heart of 0:14:33.829 --> 0:14:35.869 the contrite ones. And I, I love the picture that 0:14:35.869 --> 0:14:39.030 we're given there of God that although he's, he's high 0:14:39.030 --> 0:14:41.829 and lofty, he's in, he's in the heavens, he also 0:14:41.829 --> 0:14:45.388 makes his abode, his place, his home with the contrite 0:14:45.389 --> 0:14:50.009 and the humble to, to revive and to um 0:14:50.889 --> 0:14:54.290 To restore, to bring, to bring healing, and I think 0:14:55.050 --> 0:14:58.290 In praying for a child that is that is suffering 0:14:58.290 --> 0:15:01.970 in the ways that you're describing, I, I think praying 0:15:01.970 --> 0:15:04.689 and asking that God would, would meet them in that 0:15:04.689 --> 0:15:11.160 place and recognizing that God understands that he knows your 0:15:11.369 --> 0:15:13.090 your son's pain. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.400 I, I would just also add, I know you didn't 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.660 ask this, Tommy, but um. 0:15:19.790 --> 0:15:22.829 I would make sure that he has access to to 0:15:22.829 --> 0:15:25.270 all the tools and the help that he can get, 0:15:25.429 --> 0:15:31.069 that he's getting uh counseling, maybe some pastoral counseling, maybe 0:15:31.069 --> 0:15:34.900 there's some, some Christian therapy that he could get access to, 0:15:35.389 --> 0:15:37.869 to help, help him with the the bearing of those 0:15:37.869 --> 0:15:40.949 burdens and there might actually be an aspect of this 0:15:40.949 --> 0:15:44.869 that enters into the um into the the medical world 0:15:44.869 --> 0:15:48.150 where maybe he can be helped on that end as well. 0:15:49.210 --> 0:15:52.888 I appreciate that that God, he's nearer to the brokenhearted, 0:15:52.970 --> 0:15:57.829 he tells us in the Psalms and sometimes, especially in 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.809 in places like this where it's so close to our heart. 0:16:01.420 --> 0:16:04.889 Um, we, we cry out to him and we enter 0:16:04.889 --> 0:16:09.439 into that place, uh, where the, the spirit intercedes with, 0:16:09.530 --> 0:16:14.239 with groanings, where, where, where they're groaning before the Lord and, 0:16:14.290 --> 0:16:17.369 and in the spirit, and I, I think I heard 0:16:17.369 --> 0:16:22.160 you ask, maybe state that you know God's here, hears, 0:16:22.170 --> 0:16:22.439 but 0:16:22.929 --> 0:16:26.360 How can I know? And I think Isaiah 57 and 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.569 many other passages, they, they remind us that God, He, 0:16:29.889 --> 0:16:34.989 he enters into our, our suffering and our brokenness, our hurt. 0:16:35.369 --> 0:16:40.090 He understands, he cares, he's near, he's listening, and he, 0:16:40.139 --> 0:16:43.629 he desires to answer sometimes in ways we can't see. 0:16:44.079 --> 0:16:47.679 In in ways that we don't know, and not always 0:16:47.679 --> 0:16:52.199 according to our time frame, but he absolutely hears. That's 0:16:52.199 --> 0:16:54.400 great stuff. Yeah, I mean, you know, Tommy, to answer 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.759 your question too, I wanna add this, you know, how 0:16:57.759 --> 0:17:00.079 do I know God's hearing my prayers? If you've asked, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:00.759 he heard. 0:17:01.420 --> 0:17:03.619 The Bible's explicit on that. 0:17:04.340 --> 0:17:08.138 Um, you can't, we draw a false conclusion, like the 0:17:08.139 --> 0:17:10.300 only way I know that God heard my prayers is 0:17:10.300 --> 0:17:13.169 if he answered the way I asked, and that's just not, 0:17:13.379 --> 0:17:16.780 that's not spoken in the scriptures, but that God hears 0:17:16.780 --> 0:17:19.218 you is an absolute. If you've cried out to God, 0:17:19.270 --> 0:17:20.560 He hears every prayer. 0:17:20.950 --> 0:17:22.959 Uh, he makes this clear from the very beginning of 0:17:22.959 --> 0:17:25.469 the Bible all the way through. And then the, the, the, 0:17:25.530 --> 0:17:27.080 the final thing that I would encourage you, how do 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.400 you pray for this? Think of the way Jesus taught 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.479 us to pray, um, Matthew 7, Luke 11, keep asking, 0:17:33.638 --> 0:17:36.879 keep knocking, keep seeking. In other words, the, the verbiage 0:17:36.879 --> 0:17:39.200 there is not ask one time, and I know you 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.320 haven't done that. Listen, we both, all of us in 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.999 this room and everybody listening knows there ain't no pain 0:17:43.999 --> 0:17:46.280 like the pain of a child, but that you're, you know, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.239 as a parent, like it's just painful. It doesn't matter 0:17:48.239 --> 0:17:49.239 what age your kid is. 0:17:49.839 --> 0:17:54.249 So keep asking, keep seeking, keep knocking. Um, persistence is, 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.759 is power, and persistence is something that God, um, God's 0:17:58.759 --> 0:18:00.820 not asking you to do it, and then he'll answer, 0:18:00.930 --> 0:18:04.399 but you'll keep being changed as you keep on seeking 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.300 and knocking and asking. Keep at it, bud, it's hard, 0:18:07.739 --> 0:18:11.479 it's painful, um, but God, as, as Aaron pointed out, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.080 it's a great verse, but God is for the brokenhearted. 0:18:14.239 --> 0:18:17.050 He's for you, bud. Phil, would you pray for Tommy? Yes, 0:18:17.219 --> 0:18:17.790 I'd love to. 0:18:18.249 --> 0:18:20.129 Yeah, Father, I want to pray for Tommy and his 0:18:20.129 --> 0:18:23.089 son and for the pain that his son's going through, 0:18:23.129 --> 0:18:26.770 and it's real, and um it may not be like 0:18:26.770 --> 0:18:30.320 fully understood, but that doesn't change it's, it's, that it's 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:31.969 very real, and I pray that you would bring him 0:18:31.969 --> 0:18:34.929 through that. I pray that you would bring him, you know, 0:18:34.989 --> 0:18:36.930 as your word says, that you bring him into a 0:18:36.930 --> 0:18:41.570 perfect peace, um, whose mind is stayed on you, Isaiah 26. 0:18:41.650 --> 0:18:43.330 I pray this for Tommy, Lord, that you would help 0:18:43.330 --> 0:18:46.190 him to not lose heart in doing well. 0:18:46.619 --> 0:18:49.099 Uh, great is his reward is he just keeps on 0:18:49.099 --> 0:18:52.149 pouring out his heart to you for his son and, um, 0:18:52.379 --> 0:18:55.810 just give him a sense of peace even now that he's, 0:18:56.050 --> 0:18:59.050 he's in it. It doesn't feel good, but he's doing it. 0:18:59.089 --> 0:19:02.249 He's doing what you've called him to do. Bless this family, Lord, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:03.920 in Jesus' name. Amen. 0:19:04.420 --> 0:19:07.259 Amen. And everyone watching and listening, you guys keep Tommy 0:19:07.259 --> 0:19:10.159 and his son in your prayers too. This is Pastor's Perspective, 0:19:10.180 --> 0:19:15.099 888-564-6173 is the number to call. We've got pastors Phil 0:19:15.099 --> 0:19:18.200 Metzger and Aaron Hale here to talk to you until 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.540 4 o'clock. And uh now we're gonna go to Haines City, 0:19:21.650 --> 0:19:26.138 Florida and speak with Brandon who's got a question about boundaries. 0:19:26.259 --> 0:19:29.458 And uh Brandon, how did you know about us there 0:19:29.459 --> 0:19:30.099 in Florida? 0:19:31.999 --> 0:19:34.440 Hey there. So I actually have a um friend who 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.200 listens to you guys up there, and he, I was 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.349 telling him a little bit about what I'm going through, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.080 and he actually forwarded me to you guys. So after 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:44.940 I get off the phone, I need to tune in. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.920 Awesome. Well, thank your friend on our behalf, but what 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:49.700 is your, uh, question? What did you wanna ask? 0:19:51.869 --> 0:19:55.379 So, um, I'll try to keep it, uh, short for you. Um, 0:19:55.430 --> 0:20:01.109 I have a mutual friend, different mutual friend, um, and 0:20:01.109 --> 0:20:05.570 this person that we know, we, I met this stranger yesterday, 0:20:05.749 --> 0:20:09.670 and they've been struggling with some things. They said they 0:20:09.670 --> 0:20:14.040 wanted to talk. They follow Jesus already. And 0:20:15.479 --> 0:20:18.758 I asked them in the beginning, do you want to 0:20:18.759 --> 0:20:20.050 vent or do you want. 0:20:20.719 --> 0:20:21.839 An answer 0:20:22.729 --> 0:20:23.988 To your problem. 0:20:24.719 --> 0:20:27.978 And they told me, um, they didn't really answer that question, 0:20:27.999 --> 0:20:30.859 to be honest with you, and then they just kept um. 0:20:31.810 --> 0:20:35.888 Going on and on. It was about a 6-hour phone 0:20:35.888 --> 0:20:39.509 call and I talked for probably about 30, 45 minutes. 0:20:40.170 --> 0:20:40.969 And 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.839 I work uh 12 hours, then put 2 kids down. 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.040 Hang on, I'm still trying to get past the 6-hour 0:20:49.150 --> 0:20:50.718 conversation part, man. 0:20:51.249 --> 0:20:55.979 Oh man, yeah, you're, you're telling me. I was, uh, 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.800 trying to hear him out as much as I could 0:20:58.800 --> 0:20:59.259 and 0:21:01.170 --> 0:21:03.479 Uh, it was, it was a bit much. So yeah, 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.209 that's why the, the topic is the question about boundaries, 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.030 you know, I keep telling myself what would Jesus do, 0:21:10.050 --> 0:21:13.249 and I don't wanna be, um. 0:21:14.209 --> 0:21:18.770 Um, I don't want to turn someone who is needy away, 0:21:19.129 --> 0:21:21.170 especially a sister in Christ. Yeah, 0:21:21.369 --> 0:21:23.930 but do you think Jesus would hang out with someone 0:21:23.930 --> 0:21:27.800 for 6 hours? Yeah, I mean, it's not recorded in Scripture, but, um, 0:21:27.969 --> 0:21:29.930 you know, what, what, what do you say, Aaron? Start 0:21:29.930 --> 0:21:31.129 with you, um. 0:21:32.270 --> 0:21:34.109 Well, I'm just gonna ask a question real quick. You 0:21:34.109 --> 0:21:35.989 said you put your kids down to bed. This was 0:21:35.989 --> 0:21:37.869 a woman that called you? 0:21:39.780 --> 0:21:41.879 Uh, yes, yes, are, are you married? 0:21:43.540 --> 0:21:46.099 I am married, yes. OK, so, 0:21:46.719 --> 0:21:49.599 I'd be careful. First of all, it's about spending that 0:21:49.599 --> 0:21:52.599 amount of time with, I don't, I don't spend that 0:21:52.599 --> 0:21:55.839 amount of time in counseling or, I mean, I'm not 0:21:55.839 --> 0:21:58.639 having phone calls with women anyway. I try to be 0:21:58.638 --> 0:22:01.560 careful to um talking about boundaries. I try to be 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.560 careful to maintain those boundaries. I want to make sure 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:04.379 I preserve. 0:22:04.830 --> 0:22:08.219 The, um, the intimacy of relationship in my marriage and 0:22:08.219 --> 0:22:12.560 sometimes if a conversation can go too long, there can 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:16.369 be too much of a pouring of of someone's heart 0:22:16.369 --> 0:22:20.859 into another person. Uh, the counseling appointments that I have, they're, 0:22:21.020 --> 0:22:25.619 they're limited in length, and I've always got a secretary 0:22:25.619 --> 0:22:28.219 or a staff member nearby, the door is open, there's 0:22:28.219 --> 0:22:31.718 a window, and I 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.359 You're asking about boundaries, and so yes, they are healthy 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.638 to have in place, Brandon. I, I try to guard 0:22:37.638 --> 0:22:40.179 my heart, like when someone shares with me. 0:22:41.410 --> 0:22:43.930 I, I, I'm not looking to be cold or rude, 0:22:44.050 --> 0:22:45.770 but at the same time, I want to be careful 0:22:45.770 --> 0:22:48.209 not to step into a place that God has not 0:22:48.209 --> 0:22:51.530 asked me to step into that could become for the 0:22:51.530 --> 0:22:54.290 other person a point of a point of stumbling. I'm, 0:22:54.369 --> 0:22:55.969 I'm not, um, 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:00.320 Looking to be that, that, you know, shoulder to cry 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:05.440 on in an unhealthy sense. And, you know, Brian and 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.849 Phil have already commented a little bit about the 6 hours. Yeah, it, 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:15.400 it's OK to interject, interrupt, and say, let's let's get 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:17.440 down to what the main issue is. There, there are 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.879 ways I think that you can pull somebody in. Now, I'm, 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:22.920 I'm fully aware there are those people that will just 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.560 keep going as long as you will allow them. 0:23:25.849 --> 0:23:27.729 And those are those moments where you just have to say, 0:23:27.770 --> 0:23:29.919 you know what, I've I've got work in the morning, um, 0:23:30.009 --> 0:23:32.229 I've got this, I've got that. And sometimes we can 0:23:32.650 --> 0:23:34.729 feel as you've expressed, well, you know, I want to 0:23:34.729 --> 0:23:37.609 be Christ-like, and I want to be sensitive to the 0:23:37.609 --> 0:23:42.800 Holy Spirit. But neither Christ nor the Holy Spirit, I, 0:23:42.888 --> 0:23:46.330 I don't think wants us to be either in unhealthy places. 0:23:47.989 --> 0:23:49.489 or to 0:23:50.770 --> 0:23:53.570 We'll call it, we'll just say be available to the 0:23:53.570 --> 0:23:58.369 point where maybe it's detracting from your own first ministries 0:23:58.369 --> 0:24:00.889 of your family, now you're not able to put in a, 0:24:01.020 --> 0:24:04.729 you know, a good day's work because you're exhausted, etc. etc. 0:24:04.849 --> 0:24:08.170 And so, um, I'll I'll let that be my input 0:24:08.170 --> 0:24:08.509 and 0:24:09.310 --> 0:24:11.228 I have nothing more to add. You shouldn't be in 0:24:11.229 --> 0:24:14.540 a conversation for 6 hours. I mean, even a good 0:24:14.540 --> 0:24:18.228 conversation can't go 6 hours, dude. I, that's just too much, 0:24:18.469 --> 0:24:21.388 that's too much. And my thing on like this is 0:24:21.388 --> 0:24:24.310 a gal that's calling you, even if you just go 0:24:24.310 --> 0:24:27.430 beyond like, hey, maybe I shouldn't or maybe that's inappropriate, 0:24:27.509 --> 0:24:30.989 just assume it's totally appropriate. You're also not capable of 0:24:30.989 --> 0:24:33.060 helping her as much as like your wife could have, 0:24:33.270 --> 0:24:36.550 you know, or like there's there's limits, there's there's, there 0:24:36.550 --> 0:24:37.709 are boundaries and 0:24:38.410 --> 0:24:40.759 To me the boundary is a 6 hour conversation is 0:24:40.759 --> 0:24:42.839 crossing it, so yeah, you don't need to be in that, 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.359 that's not a, the question isn't like would Jesus do that? Well, 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.800 I mean, he wasn't using the phone, so, you know, 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.160 that's not the issue, it's more like, you know, is 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.540 this even like right for you? 0:24:54.930 --> 0:24:58.209 And um you know, free therapy isn't what you signed 0:24:58.209 --> 0:25:00.489 up for, so you know it's cool to be a 0:25:00.489 --> 0:25:02.599 friend and if you're, you know, it's different if the 0:25:02.599 --> 0:25:04.410 person came over for dinner and you and you, you're 0:25:04.410 --> 0:25:06.489 all hanging out and you're having a conversation, but 6 0:25:06.489 --> 0:25:10.439 hour phone calls too much. Well, even like Brandon said that, uh, 0:25:10.450 --> 0:25:13.450 is this person just wanting to vent? Like, are they 0:25:13.450 --> 0:25:15.530 actually going to listen to any of the advice that 0:25:15.530 --> 0:25:18.609 I give them, or are they just venting? And, well, 0:25:18.690 --> 0:25:20.609 if it's 6 hours and you talk for 30 and 0:25:20.609 --> 0:25:21.810 they talk for 5.5 hours, no. 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.180 Uh, at that point, there's no, there's nothing. 0:25:26.369 --> 0:25:27.270 That's painful. 0:25:29.138 --> 0:25:31.699 A few things that, um, well, first off, I just 0:25:31.700 --> 0:25:35.580 wanna say I appreciate the, um, advice, um, on the 0:25:35.580 --> 0:25:39.979 first gentleman who mentioned, uh, to be wary of that. Um, actually, 0:25:40.089 --> 0:25:43.379 whenever I got home after, uh, I, I, I work 0:25:43.379 --> 0:25:46.738 on a UPS truck, so I talk with some friends 0:25:46.739 --> 0:25:50.940 while I work and chit chat. Um, but this person 0:25:50.940 --> 0:25:53.458 got my attention for a little while and the last 0:25:53.459 --> 0:25:57.420 hour of the conversation, my wife joined in whenever I 0:25:57.420 --> 0:25:58.259 got home. 0:25:58.839 --> 0:26:03.218 And I feel like this person was just, um, very 0:26:03.479 --> 0:26:07.040 lonely and does not have a lot of people like 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.349 someone else was saying, um, you know, what, what can 0:26:10.349 --> 0:26:13.780 I do for this person over the phone, you know, you, 0:26:14.479 --> 0:26:20.089 she should definitely be spending this time venting with the 0:26:20.089 --> 0:26:21.759 Lord in prayer and 0:26:21.759 --> 0:26:21.879 does 0:26:21.879 --> 0:26:24.550 she have a counselor or a therapist or 0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:30.359 Um, a spirit counselor and a therapist from what I understand, 0:26:30.479 --> 0:26:34.099 but like I said yesterday, that six-hour conversation was the 0:26:34.499 --> 0:26:36.419 first time I've met this young lady. 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.099 Everybody's wondering what's a spirit counselor. 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:42.540 I, I, I don't know either. 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.479 But wait, can I, can I, hold on, Brandon, you 0:26:45.479 --> 0:26:48.160 just met this gal. You just, you just met her? 0:26:49.930 --> 0:26:55.030 Um, yes, sir. So, uh, there's a Christian, um, there's 0:26:55.030 --> 0:26:57.909 a gaming social platform where you just talk with a 0:26:57.910 --> 0:27:01.609 bunch of people called Discord, and there you make different 0:27:02.310 --> 0:27:03.709 topic of servers, and 0:27:03.709 --> 0:27:06.869 dude, she's just, that's a waste of time, uh, not 0:27:06.869 --> 0:27:08.869 the gaming, whatever, gaming and all that, but you just 0:27:08.869 --> 0:27:11.950 met this person, bro, if you had a six-hour conversation 0:27:11.950 --> 0:27:14.869 with like your best friend, maybe. 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.810 I don't think so, but a complete stranger who you 0:27:17.810 --> 0:27:20.599 just met, no, this is just, no, you don't need 0:27:20.599 --> 0:27:23.919 to do that. This, nobody should be doing that. That person, 0:27:24.190 --> 0:27:27.479 if they're lonely, then you, you know, hey, you should 0:27:27.479 --> 0:27:30.479 go to church. You should get this. Churches are filled, 0:27:30.489 --> 0:27:33.080 and I'm one of those people with lonely people who 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.359 like want friends. It's the best place to make friends. 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.638 So no, you don't have to, you don't have to 0:27:37.638 --> 0:27:39.959 be a, a free chat room for somebody, no. 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:43.439 So to put up the boundary, should Brandon just maybe 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.560 send a text? I, I mean, I don't know how, 0:27:45.638 --> 0:27:48.149 how would that work where he just says, hey, I mean, 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.159 what is that boundary? What do you think it looks like? 0:27:50.859 --> 0:27:53.139 I mean, obviously don't talk for 6 hours, but what, 0:27:53.229 --> 0:27:54.989 don't even talk for half an hour. Don't even, yeah, 0:27:55.030 --> 0:27:57.430 the next one is, hey, I'm not a counselor, and I, I'm, 0:27:57.550 --> 0:28:00.349 I'm not, I got a job and I have a family. 0:28:00.469 --> 0:28:02.699 I'm not the one that you, but there's amazing churches 0:28:02.700 --> 0:28:04.589 in our area. If you want to have somebody you 0:28:04.589 --> 0:28:07.830 could talk to, come with me. I'll introduce you to somebody. Yeah, point, 0:28:07.989 --> 0:28:11.738 point him to the Lord. Point him to the local church. Exactly. Yeah, I, 0:28:11.830 --> 0:28:14.389 I think often as Christians we think, well, we're supposed 0:28:14.388 --> 0:28:17.180 to be kind. We're supposed to give of ourselves to people. 0:28:17.229 --> 0:28:19.729 And so when this happens, and that that's why. 0:28:20.509 --> 0:28:22.320 Like when Brandon was saying it's one of those things 0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.800 that it's hard to, uh, you know, what would Jesus do? 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:30.040 Jesus would give his time for everybody, you know, that 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.349 might be what people think. And so Jesus was so 0:28:33.349 --> 0:28:35.599 discerning in ways that like we're just not right. That's 0:28:35.599 --> 0:28:37.159 just the reality and so. 0:28:37.530 --> 0:28:40.290 But I think for Brandon's sake and anybody else's sake, 0:28:40.339 --> 0:28:41.859 you should hear like, here's 3 of us in this 0:28:41.859 --> 0:28:44.479 room that are all like, yikes, that should be enough. 0:28:44.540 --> 0:28:47.139 Like take the wisdom of, you know, a multitude of 0:28:47.139 --> 0:28:50.859 counselors here who just say that's, that's unnecessary, unnecessary. 0:28:51.580 --> 0:28:53.660 All right, Brandon, thank you for calling us today here 0:28:53.660 --> 0:28:56.300 on Pastor's Perspective. We've got to take a quick break. 0:28:56.379 --> 0:28:58.780 We'll be back with more of your questions, more of 0:28:58.780 --> 0:29:03.900 your calls. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. We've got 0:29:03.900 --> 0:29:07.099 Pastor Phil Metzger and Pastor Aaron Hale here in the 0:29:07.099 --> 0:29:10.900 studio today. Phil's the pastor of Calvary San Diego, and 0:29:10.900 --> 0:29:11.540 Aaron's the pastor. 0:29:11.729 --> 0:29:14.729 of Calvary Chapel Foothill Ranch in Lake Forest, and we 0:29:14.729 --> 0:29:17.170 can't wait to speak with you. We don't have your 0:29:17.170 --> 0:29:19.170 phone number, so you need to call us. Our phone 0:29:19.170 --> 0:29:24.889 number is 888-564-6173. If you're watching on Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, 0:29:24.969 --> 0:29:27.160 you can call too. The number's right there on the 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:31.690 bottom of your screen, 888-564-6173. 0:30:16.709 --> 0:30:22.969 Hey, we're back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number 0:30:22.969 --> 0:30:24.690 to call us. We're gonna be in the studio until 0:30:24.690 --> 0:30:28.109 4 o'clock, so call in. We've got Pastor Phil Metzger 0:30:28.109 --> 0:30:32.450 from Calvary, San Diego, and Pastor Aaron Hale from Calvary Chapel. 0:30:33.609 --> 0:30:36.969 Don't tell me, uh, hold on. Foothill Ranch. I was 0:30:36.969 --> 0:30:38.999 thinking I was still that dumb joke that I told 0:30:38.999 --> 0:30:40.988 half an hour ago was back in my head in 0:30:40.989 --> 0:30:42.810 your head, yeah, so I thought I was gonna say 0:30:42.810 --> 0:30:46.080 it again. We're changing the name actually. Oh, perfect, legitimately to, 0:30:46.209 --> 0:30:48.599 to what I said, which I don't want to say. Oh, 0:30:49.089 --> 0:30:50.869 you are actually changing, but not to what I said, 0:30:51.330 --> 0:30:53.430 not to what I said. No. Is there a spoiler 0:30:53.430 --> 0:30:55.249 that you're gonna give, or no? It's no, I can't, 0:30:55.330 --> 0:30:57.770 I can't. It's like naming a baby. You gotta keep 0:30:57.770 --> 0:30:59.930 that to yourself for a while. Yeah, we're still figuring 0:30:59.930 --> 0:31:00.849 it out, so. 0:31:01.754 --> 0:31:04.604 to tell us. Yes, yes. Although we could, uh, help 0:31:04.604 --> 0:31:09.124 name the church, you know, you can have people call in. Yes, yes, 0:31:09.244 --> 0:31:11.724 people can call in, tell us why. I did ask 0:31:11.724 --> 0:31:14.004 the church to pray with me about it this past Sunday. 0:31:14.925 --> 0:31:18.084 So for now it's Calvary Chapel Foothill Ranch in Lake Forest. 0:31:18.754 --> 0:31:21.165 888-564-6173 0:31:21.165 --> 0:31:23.504 is our number. Let's go to Sam Perdue and speak 0:31:23.504 --> 0:31:27.084 with Lotus. Welcome to Pastor's perspective. What did you want 0:31:27.084 --> 0:31:28.645 to ask Phil and Aaron? 0:31:29.540 --> 0:31:33.619 Well, actually, it's not really a question, but it's a 0:31:33.619 --> 0:31:40.660 more observation. A lot of people are speaking around about AI. Well, 0:31:40.700 --> 0:31:45.139 if you go to Joshua 8 chapter, it'll tell you 0:31:45.139 --> 0:31:47.280 what the Lord did to AI. 0:31:48.369 --> 0:31:50.999 And what Joshua did to you, it's 0:31:51.700 --> 0:31:53.830 He utterly destroyed AI. 0:31:54.910 --> 0:31:57.770 Ah, AI is a 0:31:58.540 --> 0:32:03.009 It's an artificial intelligence, and anything that's artificial is an 0:32:03.009 --> 0:32:04.759 offense to God, so 0:32:05.609 --> 0:32:13.280 Uh, AI is artificial intelligence, and the Lord had Joshua 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.489 destroy the whole city. 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.238 Phil, what would you say to Lotus? Well, I, I 0:32:19.239 --> 0:32:21.719 understand what you're saying, Lotus. I get your, I get 0:32:21.719 --> 0:32:24.229 the kind of, you're, you're using that when what we 0:32:24.229 --> 0:32:27.099 would call like allegorically, you're you're, you're drawing the, the 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.930 the name of the town. The town is actually pronounced AE, 0:32:31.639 --> 0:32:37.400 so it's actually not pronounced AI, that's just English, uh, translation, 0:32:37.479 --> 0:32:40.239 so I, so not to burst the bubble on this 0:32:40.239 --> 0:32:43.300 like fun idea, but it's not there in scripture. 0:32:44.030 --> 0:32:47.349 Lotus, it's um, it's not, this is not the Bible 0:32:47.349 --> 0:32:50.950 giving us some, some kind of like insight into the 0:32:50.950 --> 0:32:56.190 uh future of artificial intelligence. This is, this is just 0:32:56.190 --> 0:32:58.129 happens to be the same letters. 0:33:00.469 --> 0:33:02.229 Yeah, I don't think I would add to that thing. 0:33:02.300 --> 0:33:08.389 Is it Aaron Aaron is what it is. I've seen it. 0:33:08.430 --> 0:33:12.670 It's Aaron. But yeah, I mean, pronunciation does matter, right? 0:33:12.790 --> 0:33:14.790 So for this case, this is an important kind of 0:33:14.790 --> 0:33:17.950 a distinction that like, because we pronounce things in English 0:33:17.950 --> 0:33:20.310 is not, does not mean that's how it was pronounced, 0:33:20.430 --> 0:33:22.910 you know, even the name Jesus, right, where we know 0:33:22.910 --> 0:33:25.950 that's not how they pronounced it back and that's, that's 0:33:25.950 --> 0:33:29.009 an English expression of of Jesus' name. So. 0:33:29.389 --> 0:33:31.540 Um, just to kind of make that clear, Lotus, that 0:33:31.540 --> 0:33:34.670 all those names, Joshua was Yeshua, so we're talking about 0:33:34.670 --> 0:33:39.270 a different name. Um, AI was not AI. It's IE IE. 0:33:39.430 --> 0:33:44.410 Now we all know. 888-564-6173. Lotus, thanks for your question. 0:33:44.790 --> 0:33:48.389 Now here's JJ and San Juan Capistrano. Hello, JJ, what 0:33:48.389 --> 0:33:50.989 is your question for Phil and Aaron? 0:33:51.349 --> 0:33:52.109 Hey Aaron. 0:33:52.940 --> 0:33:53.209 Hey guys, 0:33:56.469 --> 0:33:59.790 um, my question was on, well, I wanted to know 0:33:59.790 --> 0:34:05.109 your perspective on near death experiences, and I asked because, um, 0:34:05.349 --> 0:34:07.550 like a year or two ago, my friend came to 0:34:07.550 --> 0:34:10.430 me and asked me about them, and they weren't a 0:34:10.430 --> 0:34:13.109 Christian yet, but they, they said that later on they 0:34:13.109 --> 0:34:13.690 told me that. 0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.859 Her, her looking up these videos on YouTube and stuff, 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.080 helped her, you know, come to Christ and look at 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.719 that because a lot of these people that had MDs 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:25.320 also said that they came to Jesus after that. And I, 0:34:25.399 --> 0:34:27.759 and I just, I was, when I told her, and 0:34:27.759 --> 0:34:29.509 I was like, I wouldn't put a lot of stock 0:34:29.509 --> 0:34:32.360 into it, but I mean, it's interesting. Because when I 0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.509 was younger, you know, I, I heard stories of that 0:34:34.509 --> 0:34:37.899 and there's like some ridiculous characters that were brought up 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.280 and stuff. So, you know, I was wondering what you 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:41.189 guys thought. Thank you. 0:34:41.439 --> 0:34:42.280 All right, Aaron. 0:34:43.788 --> 0:34:46.598 Well, a few things, uh, a few things come to mind, JJ, 0:34:46.788 --> 0:34:47.698 and 0:34:49.110 --> 0:34:52.989 First of all, there's been, there's been lots of books 0:34:52.989 --> 0:34:57.390 written by people who claim to have honestly either gone 0:34:57.390 --> 0:35:03.509 to heaven or hell. They write about their experiences and I, 0:35:03.590 --> 0:35:05.949 I'll just say at least several of those have ended 0:35:05.949 --> 0:35:08.948 up being debunked after the fact. The person came back 0:35:08.949 --> 0:35:09.749 and admitted. 0:35:10.380 --> 0:35:14.560 Um, that, that in fact it did not take place. Um, 0:35:14.939 --> 0:35:18.600 I'm also aware of someone I knew in Bible college 0:35:18.780 --> 0:35:23.379 who did have an experience like this, and it was legitimate. They, 0:35:23.580 --> 0:35:27.820 they flatlined on the table and, um, and that became 0:35:27.820 --> 0:35:30.699 a part of their testimony and they, I, I won't 0:35:30.699 --> 0:35:32.739 go into detail on it because I don't remember all 0:35:32.739 --> 0:35:34.159 of it. It's not my story. 0:35:35.300 --> 0:35:38.009 But it was used for the glory of God, um. 0:35:38.998 --> 0:35:44.169 And yet I'm also reminded of Luke chapter 16, the 0:35:44.179 --> 0:35:48.270 account of Lazarus and the rich man. 0:35:48.969 --> 0:35:53.969 Uh, both of which died and went to, um, Abraham's bosom, that, 0:35:54.020 --> 0:35:57.060 that holding place before Christ had died on the cross 0:35:57.060 --> 0:35:57.919 and risen again. 0:35:58.890 --> 0:36:03.520 And Lazarus, he, he, he begs Abraham that um, 0:36:04.959 --> 0:36:10.280 That, uh, he might be able to go back and 0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:13.279 share with, um, share with his brothers so that they 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:13.839 would know. 0:36:14.590 --> 0:36:18.319 And, and, and, uh, if, if one goes to them 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.399 from the dead, they will repent. But he said to me, 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.799 Luke 16:31, if they do not hear Moses and the prophets, 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:29.140 neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead. 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.759 And so there's there's an issue of um of condition 0:36:32.759 --> 0:36:37.540 of the heart. And uh I, I think maybe some 0:36:38.090 --> 0:36:40.998 uh can be can be encouraged and ministered to. 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:45.899 And others, others not. And yet at the same time, 0:36:46.439 --> 0:36:46.919 it's 0:36:47.620 --> 0:36:50.498 It's a little bit of a, it's, it's a subjective area. It's, 0:36:50.540 --> 0:36:52.969 it's one that can be difficult to discern between the 0:36:52.969 --> 0:36:56.370 legitimate and the illegitimate and um. 0:36:57.479 --> 0:36:59.770 I'm, I'm not sure I'm able to give a concrete 0:36:59.770 --> 0:37:01.989 answer here, so I'm curious what Phil has to say. 0:37:06.310 --> 0:37:08.449 I mean, we don't want to walk around as skeptics 0:37:08.449 --> 0:37:11.469 to everything that we read, see or hear. On the 0:37:11.469 --> 0:37:14.520 other hand, we live at a time, maybe, maybe more 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.870 than the world has ever seen, that of like so 0:37:17.870 --> 0:37:21.249 much fake news, like so much is fake, and I mean, 0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:25.560 to Lotus's call earlier, AI can create just about anything 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.759 you want these days, you know, cats jumping off of 0:37:28.759 --> 0:37:31.678 the diving board into the pool, you know, and fun stuff, 0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:33.998 and then all the way to very serious things that 0:37:33.998 --> 0:37:35.159 like make it seem 0:37:35.649 --> 0:37:37.839 Uh, very real, but, but I also don't think we 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:41.120 need to walk around, um, so 22 extremes. Let's not 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.209 walk around and believe every single thing that we hear 0:37:43.209 --> 0:37:45.890 or see as if it's gospel truth. On the other hand, 0:37:45.969 --> 0:37:47.560 we don't have to be a bunch of skeptics running 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.129 around saying everything that somebody says is probably a lie. 0:37:50.409 --> 0:37:53.610 Here's where it lands. Aaron gave a great example. He 0:37:53.610 --> 0:37:56.520 knows somebody who had that experience, who's actually shared with 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.610 him that testimony, that becomes a really valid expression. 0:38:00.100 --> 0:38:02.140 I'm not probably gonna encourage anybody to go out and 0:38:02.140 --> 0:38:04.540 buy the books or, you know, watch the movie and 0:38:04.540 --> 0:38:06.899 be like, this is the, like the gospel is the 0:38:06.899 --> 0:38:09.100 gospel and it's the power of God to salvation. 0:38:09.530 --> 0:38:12.459 Everything else is just a testimony, whether that story is 0:38:12.459 --> 0:38:14.820 I flatlined and came back to life, or I was 0:38:14.820 --> 0:38:16.540 a really good person, but I was dead in my 0:38:16.540 --> 0:38:19.360 trespasses and sins, and Jesus brought me back to life. 0:38:19.459 --> 0:38:23.159 That's the same story, like that's actually the same story. 0:38:23.419 --> 0:38:25.459 One will be made a movie, the other one is 0:38:25.459 --> 0:38:28.239 a lot of people's story, and we need to honor 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:32.020 both stories, uh, and not like over-hype, you know, these 0:38:32.020 --> 0:38:33.679 kinds of things. So I know we're not giving you 0:38:33.679 --> 0:38:35.709 a clean answer there, JJ, but 0:38:35.909 --> 0:38:39.149 It sounds like you got some discernment, use it and, um, 0:38:39.229 --> 0:38:41.530 you know, give a lot to the gospel and then 0:38:41.709 --> 0:38:45.189 a little to everything else. Yeah, you know, I, I just, 0:38:45.270 --> 0:38:49.790 I appreciate Phil's encouragement there because sometimes we can forget 0:38:49.790 --> 0:38:52.830 that we do serve God who raises the dead. Whether 0:38:52.830 --> 0:38:55.580 we mean spiritually or or literally, and we see it 0:38:55.580 --> 0:38:56.370 in scripture. 0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:59.540 And he is able to do that. It's not necessarily 0:38:59.540 --> 0:39:03.399 the normative experience, but it is something that God does. I, 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:07.649 I believe, even still to the present day. Totally, totally. Now, JJ, 0:39:07.709 --> 0:39:10.719 did you say that this person came to have faith 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:13.699 in Christ because of these videos and books and everything? 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:20.320 Well, they started to get interested in Jesus and of 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:22.439 course there was some other stuff in their life, but yeah, 0:39:22.479 --> 0:39:26.310 this was like a, like some gasoline in the fire, 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:27.279 I guess, you know. 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.909 And which is great. I mean again, may God use 0:39:32.909 --> 0:39:36.678 all things to bring people to salvation, but again, like 0:39:36.679 --> 0:39:40.820 these are teasers to the real thing, which is Jesus, right? Um, 0:39:40.919 --> 0:39:43.899 that Jesus, you know, that somebody was raised from the dead, 0:39:44.199 --> 0:39:46.520 may they not be the attention, but may it be 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.080 the God who raised them from the dead, that's kind 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:50.199 of our, that's our story. 0:39:50.919 --> 0:39:56.199 Thanks for your phone call today, JJ. 888-564-6173 is the number. 0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.989 And now we're gonna go to Cherry Valley and speak 0:39:58.989 --> 0:40:01.209 with Sue. Hey, Sue, how are you? 0:40:02.419 --> 0:40:04.100 Good afternoon. How are you guys? 0:40:04.300 --> 0:40:06.620 Doing well, thanks. What's your question for us today? 0:40:06.699 --> 0:40:07.159 OK, 0:40:07.998 --> 0:40:10.219 my, I have two questions, but I'll see if I 0:40:10.219 --> 0:40:14.479 have enough time for the second one. quick, quick question. Um, 0:40:14.649 --> 0:40:17.659 I believe in my heart that my husband is not 0:40:17.659 --> 0:40:22.620 a believer. Uh, we've been married 40+ years. Um, a 0:40:22.620 --> 0:40:25.799 lot of stuff is coming out now. I've drawn closer 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:29.979 to the Lord. Um, I listened to, uh, Billy Graham. 0:40:30.669 --> 0:40:35.739 Um, besides, uh, being involved with my church, um, my 0:40:35.739 --> 0:40:39.678 question to you is, I'm starting to bring out questions 0:40:40.140 --> 0:40:45.110 to see where he's at, um, knows nothing about the rapture. 0:40:46.050 --> 0:40:49.979 Um, the other question, he goes, well, we just don't, 0:40:50.060 --> 0:40:54.140 you know, we're not getting along after 40 years. OK, 0:40:54.219 --> 0:40:58.040 it's every day, and I'm getting kind, it's just, uh. 0:40:59.469 --> 0:41:04.949 Mentally wearing on me. Um, even though I pray and 0:41:04.949 --> 0:41:07.509 it's like, Lord, I, I just gotta leave it in 0:41:07.509 --> 0:41:11.560 your hands, um, because I'm not understanding what is going 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.709 on because I really wanna say stuff, but I just 0:41:14.709 --> 0:41:15.469 control my tongue. 0:41:16.199 --> 0:41:19.449 And I'm gonna just leave it in your hands, but. 0:41:20.179 --> 0:41:23.340 I said we don't have God in our marriage. He 0:41:23.340 --> 0:41:25.620 should be number one in our marriage. And he just 0:41:25.620 --> 0:41:31.370 like looked at me like, what? No. Then he said, 0:41:31.550 --> 0:41:34.299 and I says, well, the Bible, you know, this scripture 0:41:34.300 --> 0:41:39.520 and this scripture, he says, I only, uh, I only believe, mm, 0:41:39.850 --> 0:41:41.929 a little bit of the Bible. Mhm. 0:41:43.159 --> 0:41:44.360 And I'm just like, OK, 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:45.719 Lord. Quick 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.159 question for you, Sue, have you had any kind of 0:41:48.159 --> 0:41:50.080 counseling yourself or as a couple? 0:41:51.479 --> 0:41:52.499 Uh, he won't go. 0:41:52.770 --> 0:41:54.529 OK. What about you yourself though? 0:41:56.110 --> 0:42:00.640 Um, I have, it's very hard to find, um, a 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:01.979 woman counselor. 0:42:03.550 --> 0:42:04.290 Um 0:42:05.590 --> 0:42:07.449 Out in this area, OK. 0:42:09.310 --> 0:42:12.060 Let me ask you another question, Sue, for the majority of, 0:42:12.179 --> 0:42:15.419 I mean, 40 years is not nothing, that's congratulations, that's 0:42:15.419 --> 0:42:19.040 pretty impressive. Um, for most of those years, were you 0:42:19.259 --> 0:42:21.140 walking with the Lord, or is this kind of a 0:42:21.140 --> 0:42:23.580 new thing as you're kind of growing in the Lord now? 0:42:25.009 --> 0:42:28.199 Um, no, I was, I was. 0:42:29.759 --> 0:42:33.439 backsliding when I started the first part when we were, 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:34.300 we're married. 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:36.050 And 0:42:37.149 --> 0:42:41.219 He wasn't helping the situation. It was more like, I'm gonna, uh, 0:42:41.270 --> 0:42:44.669 when the grandkids were starting to be born, oh, is 0:42:44.669 --> 0:42:46.709 that the correct, that's not, I shouldn't have said it 0:42:46.709 --> 0:42:51.350 that way. Um, we have grandkids, but he was, there 0:42:51.350 --> 0:42:57.110 was more attentive attention with them, especially because of the girls. He, 0:42:57.229 --> 0:43:01.570 he likes, he, you know, favors girls over the boys. Um, 0:43:02.070 --> 0:43:03.649 and there was a 0:43:04.759 --> 0:43:08.399 Point for at least 4 or 5 years of I 0:43:08.399 --> 0:43:11.459 don't wanna pay attention to you the thing I got 0:43:11.959 --> 0:43:16.040 my daughter's in drugs, um, and so everything was over 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.040 there so I was by myself and I'd go visit 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.499 my mom and dad while they were alive. 0:43:22.189 --> 0:43:25.870 Um, and I didn't want to bring my mom in 0:43:25.870 --> 0:43:28.600 to sit down and talk with him, but I asked 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:34.310 her just this one time, and he kind of mocked her. Um, 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:37.439 so, Sue, I think that, oh, sorry to cut you 0:43:37.439 --> 0:43:39.909 off there, just, um, for, for time's sake, let me 0:43:39.909 --> 0:43:43.159 just try to, I mean, number one, we wanna, we, 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:44.759 we are so, you know, we wanna see. 0:43:45.459 --> 0:43:46.899 It'd be great to see the Lord work in your 0:43:46.899 --> 0:43:49.899 marriage for sure. I think that you have to, and 0:43:49.899 --> 0:43:51.880 it's a, it's a good thing for you to recognize 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:55.419 you're coming into a new renewed faith in Jesus, which 0:43:55.419 --> 0:43:56.320 is wonderful. 0:43:57.489 --> 0:44:00.949 And what you're, you're gonna have to be careful of is, remember, 0:44:00.969 --> 0:44:04.770 the majority of your marriage was not centered around Jesus, 0:44:04.890 --> 0:44:07.370 so you have to kind of, I don't know how 0:44:07.370 --> 0:44:10.520 to say this a better way, soft step into that, uh, 0:44:10.770 --> 0:44:15.090 you can't, it's not gonna help your marriage to put 0:44:15.090 --> 0:44:18.229 this pressure on your husband that was never there before 0:44:18.610 --> 0:44:19.330 from you. 0:44:19.979 --> 0:44:22.860 For the Lord. It's great that you're feeling, you know, sometimes, 0:44:22.929 --> 0:44:24.939 and this is for all of us, when we get 0:44:24.939 --> 0:44:27.330 excited about something, we want everybody else to get excited 0:44:27.330 --> 0:44:29.969 about that. And sometimes like we just have to be there, 0:44:30.100 --> 0:44:32.178 we just have to, I mean, it's great that you're 0:44:32.179 --> 0:44:34.979 getting back with the Lord, that's what God wants for you. 0:44:35.659 --> 0:44:37.790 And I would love to encourage you, and then I'll 0:44:37.790 --> 0:44:42.009 hand it over. I'd love to encourage you if, if, 0:44:42.509 --> 0:44:44.949 if working on your marriage could be not as much 0:44:44.949 --> 0:44:47.669 about having to try to like make your husband want 0:44:47.669 --> 0:44:51.029 to walk with God, but about, listen, um, when we 0:44:51.030 --> 0:44:53.509 raise kids, we're distracted by the kids. Then we get 0:44:53.509 --> 0:44:55.908 the grandkids and we're distracted by the grandkids, and then 0:44:55.909 --> 0:44:57.590 one day we don't got those and we're like, do 0:44:57.590 --> 0:45:00.609 we even like each other? That's where you're at, and 0:45:00.780 --> 0:45:03.959 it's OK to just, just to get back to liking 0:45:03.959 --> 0:45:04.509 each other. 0:45:05.020 --> 0:45:07.020 And you need the Lord to do that, but you 0:45:07.020 --> 0:45:08.620 need the Lord to do that. He's not there yet. 0:45:08.699 --> 0:45:11.040 You guys gotta work on just liking each other again. 0:45:11.380 --> 0:45:15.699 God wants you to finish this life together, um, and strong, 0:45:15.939 --> 0:45:17.698 and I think that if you can just like, let's 0:45:17.699 --> 0:45:20.580 be friends again, let's focus on that, definitely find yourself 0:45:20.580 --> 0:45:22.259 a counselor that could help you with this. 0:45:22.709 --> 0:45:24.709 And um I'll stop talking. I don't know, Erin, if 0:45:24.709 --> 0:45:26.429 you had anything else to add into that. I just 0:45:26.429 --> 0:45:28.899 wanted to suggest to Sue that she said she couldn't 0:45:28.899 --> 0:45:31.630 find a counselor in her area, a woman counselor. A 0:45:31.630 --> 0:45:34.469 lot of these counselors now can do stuff online like 0:45:34.469 --> 0:45:38.589 they can do Zoom, yeah, so yeah, ideally maybe you'd 0:45:38.590 --> 0:45:41.310 want to be in an office with someone, but you 0:45:41.310 --> 0:45:44.050 might be able to find someone who can do something online. Uh, 0:45:44.229 --> 0:45:46.928 maybe contact New Life Ministries. They can help you with that. 0:45:46.949 --> 0:45:51.110 1-800-NewLife or newlife.com. Aaron, what would you suggest for Sue? 0:45:51.439 --> 0:45:55.469 Yeah, um, did, did Sue say that she's, she goes 0:45:55.469 --> 0:45:57.770 to a church, she has a church home. Sue, do 0:45:57.770 --> 0:46:01.310 you have a church that you're attending? Oh, you do. OK. 0:46:01.409 --> 0:46:03.810 I was gonna, I was gonna suggest Calvary Chapel, Beaumont. 0:46:03.890 --> 0:46:06.370 If not, it's real close by. I, I know they've 0:46:06.370 --> 0:46:10.050 got some, some great ladies there that could invest in 0:46:10.050 --> 0:46:13.080 you and encourage you in this. Um, 0:46:14.580 --> 0:46:17.390 can you point me to, um, a couple ladies up there. 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:21.089 Um, now, I was trying to think where Calvary Chapel 0:46:21.090 --> 0:46:23.520 because I thought it was on Bowmant Avenue, but I'm 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:23.770 not 0:46:23.770 --> 0:46:24.249 quite sure. 0:46:24.370 --> 0:46:27.009 I'm not positive of the location, but if you were 0:46:27.009 --> 0:46:30.219 to show up there and go to the women's ministry, 0:46:30.330 --> 0:46:34.489 they will connect you with a, uh, with a small group, and, 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.290 and you'll be, you'll be ministered too. I know the 0:46:37.290 --> 0:46:40.140 pastor and his wife, they're great people. That's Henry Lundy's. 0:46:40.409 --> 0:46:44.649 That's right. That's right, Pastor Henry Lundy, and, uh, and Chantelle, 0:46:44.709 --> 0:46:45.969 I think is his wife, um. 0:46:46.300 --> 0:46:51.780 So, Phil mentioned having fun together. And sometimes that that 0:46:51.780 --> 0:46:54.600 is such an important step when a marriage is struggling. 0:46:55.060 --> 0:46:58.179 Sometimes you have to set aside the things that you 0:46:58.179 --> 0:47:00.699 see as the bigger issues and just get back to 0:47:00.699 --> 0:47:04.140 the basics. What it, what did it look like 40 0:47:04.140 --> 0:47:07.040 years ago, which might just seem like a whole other world. But, 0:47:07.459 --> 0:47:10.939 but let's, let's take a walk together. Let's just do 0:47:10.939 --> 0:47:13.959 something fun or enjoyable. 0:47:14.570 --> 0:47:17.580 And on your own, and in your own heart before 0:47:17.580 --> 0:47:20.719 the Lord, you are pouring out that heart to God 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.820 on behalf of your husband. You're crying out to him, 0:47:22.899 --> 0:47:26.290 you're involved in the women's ministry, you're being encouraged, built up, 0:47:26.350 --> 0:47:31.140 maybe you find, you know, a good female, uh, biblical counselor, 0:47:31.219 --> 0:47:34.520 as we've been talking about, and Brian encouraged you on. 0:47:34.979 --> 0:47:38.100 But just investing in the marriage, because my, my brain 0:47:38.100 --> 0:47:42.968 goes to 1 Peter chapter 3 where the um 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:50.239 Wives are encouraged to be a a a witness through their, um, actually, 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.759 maybe that's Corinthians that I'm thinking of, but first Peter 0:47:52.759 --> 0:47:53.600 talks about it too. 0:47:54.610 --> 0:47:58.330 Being a witness through your behavior, through your conduct, through 0:47:58.330 --> 0:48:02.009 your walk with Christ, and it goes the other way too, 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:08.479 but there's a lot that can be said through your 0:48:08.479 --> 0:48:13.169 decision to be patient with your husband, to love him, 0:48:13.209 --> 0:48:17.209 to invest in him, to look past the inadequacies and 0:48:17.209 --> 0:48:21.998 the problems, and choose to honor him as the man 0:48:21.998 --> 0:48:23.669 that God has put in your life. 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:24.939 And 0:48:25.890 --> 0:48:29.859 Ask God to use that as a way to open, 0:48:29.870 --> 0:48:34.040 open some, some fissures of grace in his life that 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:37.748 whereby God might be able to do a deeper work, um. 0:48:39.439 --> 0:48:42.100 We have to remember though, when, when it's taken us 0:48:42.270 --> 0:48:45.259 a long time to get to a certain place in life. 0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:49.199 The the way out is not necessarily overnight or in 0:48:49.199 --> 0:48:55.239 a moment. Sometimes it's, it's, it's a period of of 0:48:55.239 --> 0:49:01.759 prolonged faithfulness, trusting God, believing him, investing the work and 0:49:01.770 --> 0:49:04.040 and trusting God by his spirit to do what we 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:05.040 cannot on our own. 0:49:05.989 --> 0:49:08.509 Sue, thanks for calling in today. Everybody watching and listening 0:49:08.509 --> 0:49:10.989 is gonna be praying for you and your husband. Thanks 0:49:10.989 --> 0:49:13.669 for calling in today to Pastor's Perspective. Let's go to 0:49:13.669 --> 0:49:16.948 Newport Beach. Here is Brandon. You are on with Phil 0:49:16.949 --> 0:49:18.909 Metzger and Aaron Hale. Brandon, welcome. 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.429 Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. Appreciate it. Hey, 0:49:22.479 --> 0:49:25.870 real quick, so there's a lot of podcasts lately. It's 0:49:25.870 --> 0:49:28.439 in the last couple of years with um whistleblowers coming 0:49:28.439 --> 0:49:32.669 out talking about aliens, um, and I just was curious, 0:49:32.759 --> 0:49:35.679 how would if, let's say hypothetically there was a disclosure 0:49:35.679 --> 0:49:38.659 and the government said, hey, there's aliens that live among us, 0:49:38.998 --> 0:49:42.060 you know, a lot of whistleblowers, I, I, uh, they say, 0:49:42.248 --> 0:49:44.799 oh well, they've been here a long time. I mean, 0:49:44.919 --> 0:49:48.159 is it the Nephilim? Like, would they necessarily be demonic 0:49:48.159 --> 0:49:49.620 if there were aliens. 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:52.880 I mean, like, God doesn't have to put everything in 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.840 the Bible, right? Like maybe there's alien, we could still 0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:59.810 live our faith-based lives, and if there are aliens, you know, I, I, 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.830 I would imagine that would jar a lot of people's faith, um, 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.840 if there was type of some type of disclosure. I 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.999 unders I also understand that in the, in the last days, 0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:12.479 you know, God's going to send a deceit, um, a great. 0:50:12.665 --> 0:50:15.844 Deception, right, but from what I understand, that's to, to 0:50:15.844 --> 0:50:19.284 more non-believers, the ones that maybe didn't get raptured. So 0:50:19.284 --> 0:50:22.314 I have all kinds of questions. I'm sure you guys, uh, 0:50:22.324 --> 0:50:25.524 answer this question a lot. I'd like to hear your perspective. Yeah, 0:50:25.634 --> 0:50:27.165 we get it every now and then, maybe not so 0:50:27.165 --> 0:50:29.794 much lately. Lately the thing has been the Ethiopian Bible. 0:50:29.844 --> 0:50:32.485 That's what everybody's calling about. I don't think we've had 0:50:32.485 --> 0:50:34.804 a call about it this week. I could be wrong, but, uh. 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:38.549 Maybe people finally realized, OK, yeah, I doubt it. We 0:50:38.550 --> 0:50:41.709 know everything we need to know about it now. But anyway, aliens, 0:50:41.890 --> 0:50:43.949 what say you guys, Phil, um. 0:50:46.050 --> 0:50:49.290 Yeah, the idea that it would completely shake our faith 0:50:49.290 --> 0:50:50.429 is such a um 0:50:51.530 --> 0:50:55.580 You know, that's, that's definitely coming from the world's perspective 0:50:55.580 --> 0:50:59.089 of religion, because they see religion is like being held 0:50:59.090 --> 0:51:02.439 up by like toothpicks that if one thing were to go, 0:51:02.699 --> 0:51:05.540 the whole thing goes down and it's like, if, you know, 0:51:05.860 --> 0:51:07.219 and I see that on a lot of podcasts. 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:09.060 Or like, you know, you see it on like Twitter 0:51:09.060 --> 0:51:11.080 all the time, like, you know, here's a new video. 0:51:11.199 --> 0:51:13.799 By the way, the videos of aliens just stink. I'm 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.179 just gonna say it out loud. Can we get one 0:51:17.390 --> 0:51:21.540 clear video of an alien or an alien spacecraft, so 0:51:21.540 --> 0:51:23.080 that that's a concern to me. 0:51:23.390 --> 0:51:25.959 Um, I would, I would, I, I don't put a 0:51:25.959 --> 0:51:27.989 lot of stock in that, you know, I think, um, 0:51:28.070 --> 0:51:32.089 for whatever you think about Elon Musk, good, bad, you know, whatever, 0:51:32.590 --> 0:51:35.189 here's a man that's pretty invested in the space industry, 0:51:35.229 --> 0:51:37.469 we can all agree on that, and has, and has 0:51:37.469 --> 0:51:39.699 said over and over that he believes that life is 0:51:39.699 --> 0:51:42.370 unique to the Earth, and he sees nothing. 0:51:42.998 --> 0:51:44.919 Uh, that has pointed him in any other direction. And again, 0:51:44.998 --> 0:51:47.199 whether you, of course he's just saying that because he's 0:51:47.199 --> 0:51:50.199 part of the conspiracy, he is an alien and therefore 0:51:50.199 --> 0:51:52.748 he's avoiding the, uh, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:54.949 and again, and, but I would say this, like for 0:51:54.949 --> 0:51:57.120 those of us, and I would include you, Brandon, in this, 0:51:57.209 --> 0:51:59.949 like those of us that are actual believers, nothing is 0:51:59.949 --> 0:52:02.509 going to shake our faith, like nothing. If an alien, 0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.040 if ET were to be true, I'm not gonna go, 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:07.979 oh man, what does that do to Jesus? It changes 0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:09.600 absolutely nothing to. 0:52:09.765 --> 0:52:12.594 faith, it adds more questions, but you know what, I 0:52:12.594 --> 0:52:14.235 got a lot of, the longer I've been a Christian, 0:52:14.354 --> 0:52:17.435 the more questions I have. I got tons of questions. 0:52:17.515 --> 0:52:20.114 I have not become more knowledgeable in a way that 0:52:20.114 --> 0:52:22.834 I can say, it's all definitive now. I don't like 0:52:22.834 --> 0:52:24.794 when people talk, so I'm on a show that answers 0:52:24.794 --> 0:52:27.265 Bible questions, but we've got a lot of I don't knows, 0:52:27.715 --> 0:52:29.995 because God's bigger than we are, and if we ever 0:52:29.995 --> 0:52:34.415 lose that sense, we lose everything. God is greater, I'm small, 0:52:34.735 --> 0:52:36.435 he is infinite, I am finite. 0:52:37.679 --> 0:52:38.890 Aaron, amen. 0:52:40.830 --> 0:52:42.839 That's funny, I made that statement just this last Sunday, 0:52:42.919 --> 0:52:44.679 but I, it was second service. I was tired and 0:52:44.679 --> 0:52:46.959 I reversed it and said God was finite and I was. 0:52:49.959 --> 0:52:55.320 That's not good. Uh, anyhow, Brandon, your question, are aliens 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.179 from outer space real? Does it fit in biblically? 0:53:00.590 --> 0:53:06.100 So I've watched lots of videos on this subject, and 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:11.679 I've seen how the discussion has shifted away from aliens 0:53:11.679 --> 0:53:16.870 being corporeal physical beings to being interdimensional beings. 0:53:17.739 --> 0:53:23.709 And there are testimonies of them communicating telepathically, and there 0:53:23.709 --> 0:53:24.370 are 0:53:25.009 --> 0:53:29.770 Um, observations about them communicating about things that have to 0:53:29.770 --> 0:53:34.540 do with our, our origins and where we came from, uh, 0:53:34.550 --> 0:53:40.030 contradicting what we read in Genesis. And I think without 0:53:40.340 --> 0:53:44.689 having seen anything or experienced anything personally, and not knowing 0:53:44.689 --> 0:53:46.370 for sure, um, 0:53:47.110 --> 0:53:50.748 Phil said, you know, some of the evidence so-called is, 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:55.249 is suspect at this point or not super clear, but, 0:53:55.630 --> 0:53:58.689 but there are a lot of people that have had 0:53:59.070 --> 0:54:00.658 personal experiences. 0:54:01.330 --> 0:54:05.219 And I, I am inclined to see it as a 0:54:05.219 --> 0:54:08.178 spiritual reality. It does get a little complicated when it 0:54:08.179 --> 0:54:12.089 crosses over into the physical, but that's not unprecedented in, 0:54:12.169 --> 0:54:16.979 in scripture. Um, I, I don't know or understand Satan's 0:54:16.979 --> 0:54:22.479 full ability to manipulate matter and how that fits in, 0:54:23.140 --> 0:54:23.549 but 0:54:24.390 --> 0:54:30.630 When I, when I hear or read about alien interactions 0:54:30.630 --> 0:54:36.439 that begin to either contradict scripture or have a spiritual 0:54:37.390 --> 0:54:40.819 element or dynamic to them, it definitely makes me 0:54:41.570 --> 0:54:45.120 Look and say, OK, these, these could very well be 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:49.820 beings from another dimension. Ephesians 6 seems to talk about that, 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.120 and there, there appears to be a, a, a willingness 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:59.540 and even a desire from that area to draw attention 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:05.319 away from a, a biblical faith. I don't consider myself 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:06.909 an expert in this area, but 0:55:08.090 --> 0:55:11.330 Time spent on Instagram and YouTube. Well, you're as much 0:55:11.330 --> 0:55:13.330 of an expert as everybody else out there. 0:55:14.860 --> 0:55:17.880 Brandon, thanks for your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective. 0:55:17.979 --> 0:55:20.939 And if you are an alien visiting our planet and 0:55:20.939 --> 0:55:23.140 you happen to be in the Orange County area or 0:55:23.140 --> 0:55:25.550 San Diego area, you can visit one of these two 0:55:25.550 --> 0:55:29.020 churches this weekend. There's Calvary Chapel Foothill Ranch in Lake 0:55:29.020 --> 0:55:32.140 Forest or Calvary San Diego. Thanks for listening to K 0:55:32.140 --> 0:55:35.339 Wave and uh keep on listening, and maybe you can 0:55:35.340 --> 0:55:36.739 call tomorrow with a question that. 0:55:36.834 --> 0:55:39.515 You might have about the Bible, the Christian faith. Yes, 0:55:39.634 --> 0:55:41.675 get yourself a Bible. Stop by the chapel store at 0:55:41.675 --> 0:55:44.395 the Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa campus and, and buy a 0:55:44.395 --> 0:55:47.354 Bible and read it and then call us with your questions. 0:55:47.435 --> 0:55:49.674 And I'm being a little bit facetious here, but I'm 0:55:49.675 --> 0:55:52.873 just having fun. God bless you guys. Phil and Aaron, 0:55:53.034 --> 0:55:55.235 great being on today. Thank you for being on today, 0:55:55.274 --> 0:55:57.054 I should say. We'll talk to you tomorrow right here 0:55:57.155 --> 0:55:58.995 on Pastor's Perspective.