WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-09/30/26 0:00:19.799 --> 0:00:24.349 Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez, 0:00:24.439 --> 0:00:27.860 and uh we are here live in the studio today. 0:00:28.319 --> 0:00:31.159 What's your question about the Bible, the Christian faith? We 0:00:31.159 --> 0:00:36.220 would love to hear it. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:42.970 That's 888-564-6173. 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DM 0:01:27.188 --> 0:01:29.710 us there on the pastor's perspective Instagram, but 0:01:30.060 --> 0:01:32.180 We'll get to your calls, your questions in just a moment. 0:01:32.289 --> 0:01:34.680 Let me introduce who we got on the show today. 0:01:34.780 --> 0:01:39.298 Brian Broderson is here. He's the pastor emeritus at Calvary Chapel, 0:01:39.339 --> 0:01:41.740 Costa Mesa. You can also learn more about him and 0:01:41.740 --> 0:01:47.100 his wife Cheryl on their website, echoesofmercy.com. Brian, so good 0:01:47.100 --> 0:01:49.979 to see you, man. It's been a few years. Yes, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.139 it seems like a while. It is great to see 0:01:52.140 --> 0:01:55.770 you too. It's good to be here. I was here, uh, 0:01:56.839 --> 0:01:59.320 Yesterday was I here? Yeah, yeah, I was here yesterday, 0:01:59.359 --> 0:02:04.719 but you weren't here. But today we're together and we're 0:02:04.719 --> 0:02:08.759 trying to get our good friend Bobby Conway on with 0:02:08.759 --> 0:02:14.390 us and he just texted me as well saying help, help. 0:02:14.490 --> 0:02:18.859 I just sent him some information that might help, help. OK, we'll, uh. 0:02:19.669 --> 0:02:22.669 We'll see. All right. All right, so we're working on that. 0:02:23.809 --> 0:02:28.960 Yeah, so, you know, when I am coming in on Zoom. 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.840 I've had those same kinds of issues, you know, where 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:33.559 I click on it and it tells me, you know, 0:02:33.719 --> 0:02:35.749 meeting ID number and all this stuff. I'm like, what? 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.559 I don't have a meeting ID number. And then my 0:02:38.559 --> 0:02:42.109 computer says, oh, you have to allow for pop-ups. I 0:02:42.109 --> 0:02:45.400 never disallowed for pop-ups. Why are you, you know, it's 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:51.079 just the crazy computer, the crazy tech world that we inhabit. 0:02:52.159 --> 0:02:57.559 That is generally good, but sometimes completely frustrating. So this 0:02:57.559 --> 0:03:00.600 is true. All right, so, uh, while we're waiting for 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.480 the connection to happen, here's a question that, uh, was, well, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.719 this one wasn't called in or emailed in or anything, 0:03:07.799 --> 0:03:08.490 there's a 0:03:09.290 --> 0:03:13.570 Young man, 15-year-old Baxter in Costa Mesa, who happens to 0:03:13.570 --> 0:03:16.210 know one of our staff members here, so he wrote 0:03:16.210 --> 0:03:18.570 down his question on a 3x5 card, gave it to him, 0:03:18.650 --> 0:03:21.809 and then he passed it on. So here is Baxter's question. 0:03:22.169 --> 0:03:25.370 How do I know that I have a mustard seed 0:03:25.370 --> 0:03:27.609 of faith? Brian, what would you say to Baxter? 0:03:30.590 --> 0:03:34.770 Well, um, you know, I, I would say if you 0:03:35.189 --> 0:03:38.749 know that you have put your trust in Jesus. 0:03:39.790 --> 0:03:44.790 Um, that's of course how salvation occurs. That's faith. You, you, 0:03:44.990 --> 0:03:47.730 you put your faith in Him. Trust and faith are 0:03:47.730 --> 0:03:49.730 the same thing. So you put your faith in Him. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.359 And OK, so you know you have faith and that 0:03:54.359 --> 0:04:01.189 faith would qualify as a mustard seed or, you know, 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.520 something larger perhaps, but I think the fact that you 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.389 have the faith that you you have trusted the Lord, 0:04:07.919 --> 0:04:10.240 that's proof that you do have faith. 0:04:11.370 --> 0:04:16.249 Sounds good. Baxter. Thanks for uh getting your question to 0:04:16.249 --> 0:04:20.049 us somehow. Not the most traditional method, but uh, that's OK, 0:04:20.130 --> 0:04:25.770 we'll use it. 888-564-6173 and it appears we have made 0:04:25.770 --> 0:04:30.849 contact with the great doctor, Doctor, Doctor Bobby Conway. What's up? 0:04:31.909 --> 0:04:34.909 What's the haps guys? Good to see you. Yes, look 0:04:34.909 --> 0:04:40.049 at that hair, man. That's always Brian's first comment to you, Bobby. 0:04:40.150 --> 0:04:43.849 I've noticed that just always so impressive. It's like, OK, 0:04:44.349 --> 0:04:47.270 kind of got the Andy Warhol hair dude today, you know, 0:04:47.460 --> 0:04:51.099 kind of, kind of poured up, you know, swept over 0:04:51.099 --> 0:04:54.929 to the side a little bit. So it's usually just vertical. 0:04:55.650 --> 0:04:59.370 Yeah, yeah, I've, uh, I've been, uh, letting it fall 0:04:59.370 --> 0:05:03.449 down instead of something. You gotta mix stuff up, you know. Yeah, well, 0:05:03.568 --> 0:05:05.770 you know, I just finally got a haircut the other 0:05:05.770 --> 0:05:10.849 day from my daughter and, um, I was the last 0:05:10.849 --> 0:05:12.279 few weeks I was in my 0:05:12.690 --> 0:05:16.250 I was in my little space in um, Somerville, a 0:05:16.250 --> 0:05:19.430 place that Bobby is familiar with, a place that we 0:05:19.430 --> 0:05:22.039 both really like, but I was in my little bed 0:05:22.039 --> 0:05:25.329 and breakfast and, you know, just like the lighting and 0:05:25.329 --> 0:05:29.329 everything and, and my hair was kind of grown wild 0:05:29.329 --> 0:05:32.120 and I've got this beard and I'm and I'm looking 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.190 at myself and it's a little bit of a silhouette 0:05:35.650 --> 0:05:38.169 and I'm thinking, I don't know, Bobby, if you've ever 0:05:38.169 --> 0:05:38.909 seen like 0:05:39.579 --> 0:05:41.940 I, I think it's on, I, I don't know if 0:05:41.940 --> 0:05:43.799 it's Barnes and Noble or whatever, but one of the, 0:05:43.979 --> 0:05:45.940 one of the copies of the Odyssey, they have like 0:05:45.940 --> 0:05:48.520 an image of Homer on it, like what they imagined 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.299 Homer would look like. And he's, you know, it's like 0:05:51.299 --> 0:05:54.079 I'm looking in the mirror thinking I am Homer right now. 0:05:54.180 --> 0:05:56.538 I look like Homer. I've got the, you know, kind 0:05:56.539 --> 0:06:00.440 of crazy hair. I've got the crazy beard. 0:06:01.299 --> 0:06:05.339 And I decided I'm gonna ditch the Homer look and 0:06:05.339 --> 0:06:08.568 uh so got not Homer Simpson just to be clear, 0:06:08.650 --> 0:06:12.469 not Homer Simpson because he doesn't have hair, does he? No, 0:06:12.930 --> 0:06:16.008 he's got another look. For one thing, he's got jaundice 0:06:16.008 --> 0:06:17.489 or something I don't know, but. 0:06:19.770 --> 0:06:22.169 I'm trying to get on my laptop with you guys 0:06:22.169 --> 0:06:25.429 so I can um I'm I'm on my phone but 0:06:26.669 --> 0:06:29.758 the link issues that we're having is uh it, it's 0:06:29.758 --> 0:06:31.448 gonna make it challenging because I don't wanna hold my 0:06:31.448 --> 0:06:32.750 phone the whole time, you know. 0:06:33.490 --> 0:06:33.750 Yeah. 0:06:34.669 --> 0:06:37.819 Yeah, OK, we'll keep working on it and we'll just. 0:06:38.669 --> 0:06:42.030 We'll just hang tight until you get it. Yes, we will. 0:06:42.359 --> 0:06:44.319 All right, let's go to the phones. Got some calls 0:06:44.318 --> 0:06:50.520 coming in at 888-564-6173. Here's Jenny in San Clemente. Welcome 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.078 to Pastor's Perspective, Jenny. You're on with Brian Broderson and 0:06:54.079 --> 0:06:54.719 Bobby Conway. 0:06:55.990 --> 0:07:00.150 Hi, I love when Bobby's on the show. I just 0:07:00.150 --> 0:07:03.150 think he is just a genius. My ears perk up 0:07:03.150 --> 0:07:05.949 when I hear anything he has to say. Um, but 0:07:05.948 --> 0:07:08.150 I would love to get, I would love to get 0:07:08.150 --> 0:07:14.289 everybody's opinion here on Luke 10:19, uh, the verse that says, 0:07:14.750 --> 0:07:15.970 you know, we've been given. 0:07:17.190 --> 0:07:21.979 Uh, authority, um, you know, to trample on, let's see, 0:07:22.150 --> 0:07:23.690 scorpions and serpents, 0:07:24.349 --> 0:07:26.930 yeah, yeah, certain, you know, all the power of the enemy, 0:07:27.030 --> 0:07:31.660 nothing will harm you. So one of my study Bibles, uh, 0:07:31.789 --> 0:07:35.229 in the margin, OK, it says, um. 0:07:35.770 --> 0:07:39.770 Uh, basically, uh, uh, a figurative way to speak of 0:07:39.770 --> 0:07:43.609 us trampling over evil, um, and some people do see 0:07:43.609 --> 0:07:46.329 it as a literal promise, but I have a Bible 0:07:46.569 --> 0:07:52.280 where that scripture is actually in parentheses and on the 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:53.710 side margin. 0:07:54.069 --> 0:07:59.220 It says, um, something to the effect of some scholars 0:07:59.220 --> 0:08:02.870 believe this verse, um, uh, basically how it's like up 0:08:02.870 --> 0:08:06.059 in the air of whether to include it in the Bible, um, 0:08:06.150 --> 0:08:08.710 or they're not serve the original text. I don't have 0:08:08.710 --> 0:08:12.150 that Bible in front of me, but, um, 0:08:12.789 --> 0:08:15.259 This is one of my favorite verses. So I'm like, 0:08:15.340 --> 0:08:17.460 wait a minute, I want that to be a strong 0:08:17.460 --> 0:08:22.578 scripture that is definitely biblical. And I was wondering why, 0:08:22.699 --> 0:08:24.859 why did some of my, one of my Bibles kind 0:08:24.859 --> 0:08:32.060 of try to say that verse is up for, you know, um, interpretation, or, 0:08:32.340 --> 0:08:34.859 you know, I'd love to get a scholar's perspective on 0:08:34.859 --> 0:08:35.419 that Bible 0:08:35.419 --> 0:08:35.879 verse. 0:08:36.180 --> 0:08:39.020 All right, Doctor, Doctor Bobby Conway, what do you tell Jenny? 0:08:40.090 --> 0:08:43.400 Well, uh, unfortunately, I'm in a bit of an ADD 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.969 mode trying to figure out tech stuff. And so I 0:08:47.970 --> 0:08:51.050 am gonna have to punt, uh, by the way, if 0:08:51.050 --> 0:08:53.069 you guys are watching on Facebook and YouTube and Instagram, 0:08:53.119 --> 0:08:55.759 you're seeing Bobby in 3D right now or something. The 0:08:55.850 --> 0:08:58.730 camera's like right up on him. That was, yeah, I'm 0:08:58.730 --> 0:09:00.920 trying to figure out how to get off my phone, uh, 0:09:01.009 --> 0:09:02.290 so I can, uh. 0:09:03.119 --> 0:09:05.599 But whatever reason, my phone I'm on with you, but 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.809 when I try to get on my with my laptop, 0:09:07.889 --> 0:09:11.170 it's saying that it's invalid, so it won't let me connect. 0:09:11.290 --> 0:09:13.629 So oh my goodness anyway. 0:09:14.749 --> 0:09:17.790 I'm hoping I'll figure it out. That is so nerve-wracking 0:09:17.790 --> 0:09:19.509 when that kind of stuff happens, isn't it. 0:09:21.540 --> 0:09:26.759 Um, OK, so Bobby has to punt. 0:09:28.050 --> 0:09:34.160 Uh, to me, and so I will, uh, take it away. 0:09:35.119 --> 0:09:35.470 So 0:09:36.119 --> 0:09:40.290 Yeah, it's a great passage. I agree, um, Jenny, it's, 0:09:40.439 --> 0:09:43.670 it's a great text that I have, um, at times 0:09:43.670 --> 0:09:46.050 as well, just thought, you know, thank you Lord for 0:09:46.050 --> 0:09:49.239 this promise. So, um, 0:09:51.790 --> 0:09:52.969 Is there 0:09:54.110 --> 0:09:56.499 Uh, you know, you do have, um. 0:09:58.540 --> 0:10:02.509 Different manuscripts, of course, that are the basis for our 0:10:02.770 --> 0:10:07.748 New Testaments. And you have one set of manuscripts that 0:10:08.290 --> 0:10:09.480 is um 0:10:10.749 --> 0:10:14.579 Used by the King James Version and then the New 0:10:14.578 --> 0:10:19.530 King James use that same set of manuscripts, and they're, 0:10:19.828 --> 0:10:23.350 they're known as the received text. And then you have 0:10:23.350 --> 0:10:27.229 what's called the critical text, and the critical text is 0:10:27.230 --> 0:10:31.389 basically the basis for every other translation, the NIV, the ESB, 0:10:31.550 --> 0:10:35.709 the NASB, uh, the CSB, you name it, every, everything 0:10:35.710 --> 0:10:39.988 else is from the critical text. And so, um, 0:10:41.590 --> 0:10:46.819 What it is, is sometimes what, you know, the received 0:10:46.819 --> 0:10:49.100 text will have um 0:10:50.470 --> 0:10:54.489 A portion that the the critical text will not contain. 0:10:54.910 --> 0:10:57.829 And so they will go then with the critical text 0:10:57.828 --> 0:11:00.910 because they believe the critical text is more accurate. And 0:11:00.910 --> 0:11:03.920 there's a big debate about, you know, which is more accurate. 0:11:04.030 --> 0:11:08.710 So some scholars think because the critical text is based 0:11:08.710 --> 0:11:11.709 on older manuscripts, it's more accurate. 0:11:12.239 --> 0:11:17.249 Uh, but others think that the, uh, the received text 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:22.319 is actually a more pure text, so it's more accurate. And, um, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.839 you know, when it comes down to it, the, the 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.839 differences are so minor, it doesn't really amount to any 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:34.189 kind of a doctrinal issue. But in this particular place, um, 0:11:34.980 --> 0:11:39.459 I'm curious what version of yours omits it. 0:11:40.328 --> 0:11:43.929 Because I'm not seeing it being omitted here. 0:11:45.929 --> 0:11:46.879 OK, so, 0:11:47.059 --> 0:11:51.499 yeah, I, I actually couldn't find that Bible, but um 0:11:51.499 --> 0:11:54.420 I do have it, and it's, it's, it's in probably 0:11:54.420 --> 0:11:57.939 on my bookshelf somewhere, but they have it in parentheses, 0:11:58.300 --> 0:12:01.619 and it just, I don't know if it's because it's 0:12:01.619 --> 0:12:05.020 whether it's literal or whether, like this Bible says it's 0:12:05.020 --> 0:12:07.980 a figurative way to trample over evil, but some do 0:12:07.980 --> 0:12:08.540 think it's 0:12:09.110 --> 0:12:11.829 Um, literal, so I don't know if they're saying, you know, 0:12:11.949 --> 0:12:14.970 but it's literally in parentheses in one of my 0:12:14.970 --> 0:12:20.910 Bibles. Yeah, well, in parentheses doesn't all in parentheses means is, um. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.160 You know, it's kind of a 0:12:23.860 --> 0:12:27.850 You know, a parenthetical statement is, you kind of break 0:12:27.850 --> 0:12:30.749 away from the main point you're making, and then you 0:12:30.749 --> 0:12:35.550 say something that's related, but not necessary, and then you 0:12:35.550 --> 0:12:40.350 resume with what you were saying, you know, uh, so 0:12:40.350 --> 0:12:44.030 the parentheses, um, doesn't mean that it's not in any 0:12:44.030 --> 0:12:45.910 of the other texts, because as far as I can see, 0:12:45.949 --> 0:12:48.629 it's in all of the, uh, both the critical text 0:12:48.629 --> 0:12:49.650 and the received text. 0:12:50.259 --> 0:12:53.988 So the the parentheses would just be the translators um 0:12:53.989 --> 0:12:57.550 interpreting it as, um, you know, a bit of a 0:12:57.550 --> 0:13:00.550 side statement. Jesus is making a statement, but then he 0:13:00.550 --> 0:13:03.379 kind of, you know, he, he veers off just slightly. 0:13:03.429 --> 0:13:05.689 He's still on the point, but he veers off just slightly. 0:13:06.030 --> 0:13:08.129 And then it comes and then it comes right back 0:13:08.129 --> 0:13:09.949 to the main point. 0:13:11.139 --> 0:13:12.738 Do you, do you understand what I say, what I'm 0:13:12.739 --> 0:13:13.699 saying when I say that? 0:13:15.780 --> 0:13:18.339 So it is to be taken serious this text. 0:13:18.429 --> 0:13:19.449 Oh yeah, absolutely, 0:13:19.639 --> 0:13:24.090 yes, to be discounted or lightened, and OK, that's, that's 0:13:24.090 --> 0:13:26.379 really just what, what I wanted to know because it's 0:13:26.379 --> 0:13:27.709 one of my favorite verses. 0:13:27.819 --> 0:13:29.980 Yeah, and like I said, you're gonna find a lot 0:13:29.980 --> 0:13:33.488 of times in scripture where you're gonna find parenthetical statements, 0:13:33.739 --> 0:13:35.980 and a parenthetical statement, like I said, is just a 0:13:35.980 --> 0:13:37.900 slight diversion from the main point. 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.050 Um, but it's part of the main point, but it's 0:13:41.050 --> 0:13:44.889 just not, it's kind of like something that's non-essential to 0:13:44.889 --> 0:13:47.970 the main point, but it's related to it. And so 0:13:47.970 --> 0:13:51.360 like when Paul is writing to the Romans, for example, 0:13:51.730 --> 0:13:54.569 you'll find a number of parenthetical statements there because Paul's 0:13:54.569 --> 0:13:58.369 making an argument, and then he slightly deviates, and then 0:13:58.369 --> 0:14:00.650 he comes back to his main point. And the, the 0:14:00.650 --> 0:14:04.150 parentheses are the, are around the brackets are around the, 0:14:04.249 --> 0:14:05.050 the deviation. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:08.770 Excellent. Thank you. 0:14:09.009 --> 0:14:09.650 You're welcome. 0:14:11.119 --> 0:14:13.480 So, but then, you know, going back to kind of 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.559 the question, um, like she said, one of the Bible's 0:14:17.569 --> 0:14:22.119 sort of says that this is, um, maybe not literal 0:14:22.119 --> 0:14:24.819 in the sense that you're not literally going to trample 0:14:25.199 --> 0:14:28.879 on serpents and scorpions. And I think that that's that's 0:14:28.879 --> 0:14:34.679 it is figurative. It's serpents and scorpions are representative of 0:14:34.679 --> 0:14:37.239 evil powers, because it goes on to say in all 0:14:37.239 --> 0:14:38.280 the power of the enemy. 0:14:39.059 --> 0:14:41.770 So you're not literally going to go around stomping on. 0:14:42.579 --> 0:14:46.579 Scorpions and serpents, but you are as a Christian gonna 0:14:46.579 --> 0:14:48.230 have authority over the 0:14:49.100 --> 0:14:52.020 The demonic realm. I think the real miracle would be 0:14:52.020 --> 0:14:56.739 to have all the serpents out of our periphery. I 0:14:56.739 --> 0:14:59.739 prefer to not even encounter them altogether. 0:15:01.540 --> 0:15:04.629 Well, Bobby, I hate to tell you this, but 0:15:05.439 --> 0:15:06.900 I had a gardener come by. 0:15:07.670 --> 0:15:10.229 The house the other day and he wanted to tell 0:15:10.230 --> 0:15:14.629 me about all the copperhead snakes that are out and 0:15:14.629 --> 0:15:19.009 about that I need to be cautious of and I said, well, 0:15:19.309 --> 0:15:20.470 I'm from California. 0:15:21.410 --> 0:15:25.059 Where we have rattlesnakes as pets, so I'm not really 0:15:25.059 --> 0:15:30.579 worried about it, right? Yeah. Oh man, did you see 0:15:30.579 --> 0:15:32.770 the story in the news the other day about the 0:15:32.770 --> 0:15:36.220 it turned out to be a fake AI, uh, photo, whatever? 0:15:36.369 --> 0:15:39.639 Was it really? Yeah, yeah. So there was a story. 0:15:40.329 --> 0:15:43.650 Circulating here locally that uh not far from here in 0:15:43.650 --> 0:15:47.050 Santa Ana on uh Eddinger and Maine I think in 0:15:47.050 --> 0:15:51.729 that area uh some guy posted a photo online that 0:15:51.730 --> 0:15:53.689 there was this uh some kind of viper, some kind 0:15:53.689 --> 0:15:56.170 of venomous viper African viper yes yes. 0:15:56.270 --> 0:15:58.550 So people were freaking out. Oh my goodness, it's on 0:15:58.550 --> 0:16:01.210 the loose. What's gonna happen? And then they determined later on, 0:16:01.290 --> 0:16:03.720 oh no, he, he did that with AI. He even 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.590 called the police and everything. So yeah, I mean, really, guy? Well, 0:16:07.670 --> 0:16:09.900 I saw it and I thought, you know, I, I mean, 0:16:09.949 --> 0:16:13.749 I have heard of situations where people will bring different. 0:16:14.619 --> 0:16:17.780 Species from different places and you know, they, they can 0:16:17.780 --> 0:16:20.069 get loose. So that's kind of what I thought it was, 0:16:20.189 --> 0:16:23.400 but AI is is a much more obvious. 0:16:26.749 --> 0:16:30.389 What's AI generated, please say that is so good. 0:16:31.550 --> 0:16:35.989 All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call. Now that 0:16:35.989 --> 0:16:39.780 Bobby's all situated. Uh, here's a question just for Bobby. 0:16:39.829 --> 0:16:43.869 It's from Denise who sent this in online. Uh, Bobby, 0:16:43.949 --> 0:16:47.389 how do you handle spiritual warfare? What steps did you 0:16:47.389 --> 0:16:50.829 take to make it go away? I experienced things like 0:16:50.829 --> 0:16:54.069 the things that you've experienced all my life. I do 0:16:54.069 --> 0:16:56.670 have people that have, that have witnessed some of these 0:16:56.670 --> 0:16:57.350 things with me. 0:16:57.790 --> 0:17:00.020 I've tried to rationalize most of it, but I do 0:17:00.020 --> 0:17:01.949 not have answers for them. So my question is, how 0:17:01.949 --> 0:17:04.749 do I make this stop? I believe God led me 0:17:04.749 --> 0:17:07.790 to pastor's perspective because I have searched my entire life 0:17:07.790 --> 0:17:11.710 for answers, and nobody has been able to help me. So, Bobby, 0:17:11.749 --> 0:17:14.170 in times past when you've been on the show, you've 0:17:14.170 --> 0:17:16.869 you've told us about the experiences you have, so for 0:17:16.869 --> 0:17:19.790 anyone who hasn't heard that, maybe give us an overview 0:17:19.790 --> 0:17:22.270 of that before you answer Denise's question. 0:17:23.529 --> 0:17:29.868 Sure. Um, and this directly relates to God's providence and bringing, uh, 0:17:29.888 --> 0:17:33.129 Pastor Brian and I together, um, because where I'm gonna 0:17:33.129 --> 0:17:36.159 head here is how God used him in a message 0:17:36.328 --> 0:17:40.409 when I was just a kid, uh, to literally bring 0:17:40.408 --> 0:17:42.769 me out of a dark night of the soul. Um, 0:17:42.929 --> 0:17:46.529 what took place with me is when I was getting 0:17:46.529 --> 0:17:49.169 my life cleaned up, all of a sudden I was 0:17:49.168 --> 0:17:51.328 beginning to feel, and 0:17:51.690 --> 0:17:55.910 I was feeling loudly, and I was catching fire for Jesus, 0:17:56.170 --> 0:18:00.849 and sharing Christ constantly with them, praying. I mean, I 0:18:00.849 --> 0:18:06.228 was just a little zealot, and I started experiencing weird 0:18:06.369 --> 0:18:11.208 phenomenon that I couldn't even, um, hardly explain, and I 0:18:11.209 --> 0:18:14.849 felt weird talking about it to others because I would 0:18:14.849 --> 0:18:17.070 literally be in my bed, for example, 0:18:17.499 --> 0:18:20.229 Um, and I don't like walk around and talk about 0:18:20.229 --> 0:18:22.869 this a whole lot in, in my experience, because it's 0:18:22.869 --> 0:18:26.550 so crazy, but I can remember like, my bed would 0:18:26.550 --> 0:18:30.070 start shaking violently, and then I would think, am I 0:18:30.070 --> 0:18:33.109 being rational right now? Is this happening? And so I 0:18:33.109 --> 0:18:36.369 would literally be thinking to myself, yeah, I'm, I'm laying 0:18:36.369 --> 0:18:39.849 in an earthquake right now in my bed, and 0:18:40.450 --> 0:18:40.969 And 0:18:41.709 --> 0:18:43.910 I don't understand what's going on. There would be things 0:18:43.910 --> 0:18:47.389 like the sink turning off and on. Um, I had 0:18:47.388 --> 0:18:54.450 very weird, strange emotions that I'd never felt before. Almost, um, 0:18:54.790 --> 0:18:59.229 just feelings of a, of a dark spiritual sense that I, I, I, 0:18:59.310 --> 0:19:01.550 I don't even know what the emotion is outside of 0:19:01.550 --> 0:19:04.709 just saying that it's a, an emotion of spiritual warfare. 0:19:05.430 --> 0:19:09.499 And, um, I ended up going to a doctor. Uh, 0:19:09.550 --> 0:19:13.229 I was losing weight, I couldn't eat. Um, I thought 0:19:13.229 --> 0:19:16.228 I was dying, literally. I thought I had cancer. And 0:19:16.229 --> 0:19:17.979 then when I went to the doctor, I think I 0:19:17.979 --> 0:19:20.129 was 21, and they said, you have high blood pressure, 0:19:21.030 --> 0:19:23.709 that's what's going on. Now, I do think some of 0:19:23.709 --> 0:19:28.109 my anxiety, natural anxiety was a part of this. But 0:19:28.109 --> 0:19:30.469 I think on top of that, there was a lot 0:19:30.469 --> 0:19:34.070 of bizarre things, uh, like I said, lights going off 0:19:34.070 --> 0:19:34.599 and on. 0:19:34.910 --> 0:19:38.400 And this was a season, I remember specifically, my foot 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.998 wasn't even on the gas at the Ritz-Carlton, while I 0:19:40.999 --> 0:19:45.599 was going up a hill, and my car starts accelerating. 0:19:46.290 --> 0:19:48.440 I mean, and I, I don't even know how to 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.080 explain this outside of like, it brought me to my knees, 0:19:52.410 --> 0:19:54.728 and I told a, a lady at the Ritz-Carlton where 0:19:54.729 --> 0:19:56.290 I worked, she was a Christian. I said, I don't 0:19:56.290 --> 0:19:58.050 know what's going on with me. She said, I think 0:19:58.050 --> 0:20:01.770 you're going through spiritual warfare. Well, a week later, she 0:20:01.770 --> 0:20:05.009 shows up at work, and she said, I got this 0:20:05.009 --> 0:20:06.150 package in the mail. 0:20:06.530 --> 0:20:09.409 And I never ordered this tape, but I think it's 0:20:09.410 --> 0:20:11.930 for you. I think the Lord sent it to my 0:20:11.930 --> 0:20:14.920 house for you. And she said, it's a tape called 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:20.009 Spiritual Warfare by Brian Broderson. I began listening to that tape, 0:20:20.369 --> 0:20:22.810 and my dad, I had him listen to it, and 0:20:22.810 --> 0:20:26.208 he couldn't believe it because he would watch me, and 0:20:26.209 --> 0:20:27.849 I was scared to sleep in the dark. So I 0:20:27.849 --> 0:20:30.950 was sleeping in my parents' family room with the lights on, 0:20:30.969 --> 0:20:33.030 because I didn't want all the, the chaos. 0:20:33.619 --> 0:20:37.479 And surely that tape really began to be the thing 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.540 that walked me out of that dark night. And then 0:20:40.540 --> 0:20:45.879 you fast forward about 25 years later, or whatever it is, 0:20:46.170 --> 0:20:49.300 and I'm on staff at Calvary Chapel Bible College and 0:20:49.300 --> 0:20:52.219 never met Pastor Brian, and I tell him this story. 0:20:52.839 --> 0:20:56.159 About how God used this tape, and it just began 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.879 this amazing relationship that we have to this day. And 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:04.958 I still, there are about 3 specific times where he 0:21:04.959 --> 0:21:07.030 has clearly spoken to me, and God will put people 0:21:07.030 --> 0:21:09.320 in your life, and he's a, he's kind of prophetic, 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.479 he'll just cut through things. And it was amazing how 0:21:12.479 --> 0:21:14.280 he's done that in my life. But what he brought 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.780 out in that tape is that Satan will use doubt. 0:21:18.570 --> 0:21:20.270 Uh, depression. 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:27.089 Uh, fear, worry, anxiety. Uh, he'll use those type of 0:21:27.089 --> 0:21:31.530 things in an unexplained weird emotions. And it was exactly 0:21:31.530 --> 0:21:34.729 the whole thing. And he said, when depression's there, it's 0:21:34.729 --> 0:21:37.280 just kind of the, the powerhouse. And I had all 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.290 that going on, and I made my dad listen to it. I. 0:21:40.374 --> 0:21:42.964 I flew to Arkansas from California to show, uh, and I, 0:21:43.004 --> 0:21:44.935 when I got picked up at the airport, I put 0:21:44.935 --> 0:21:48.175 it in the cassette player for her to hear, and 0:21:48.175 --> 0:21:50.494 the tape got 8 on the spot. And I thought, oh, well, 0:21:50.575 --> 0:21:52.055 I guess I'll just have to tell you what was 0:21:52.055 --> 0:21:55.334 going on. But that tape was huge in my life. 0:21:55.415 --> 0:21:56.474 So get Brian's book. 0:21:58.810 --> 0:22:01.770 Because we don't make the cassette tapes anymore. But you know, 0:22:01.930 --> 0:22:04.929 every time I hear that story, Bobby, it's just still, 0:22:05.170 --> 0:22:08.530 I mean, and I think that the, the most, the 0:22:08.530 --> 0:22:11.649 craziest thing about it is the lady gets the tape 0:22:11.650 --> 0:22:16.208 in the mail that she doesn't even order and she says, yeah, 0:22:16.290 --> 0:22:19.089 I think this is for you. It's like, what? 0:22:20.369 --> 0:22:22.879 Isn't that amazing? And it was the very thing that 0:22:22.879 --> 0:22:26.200 God took me out of. I mean, he used your teaching. 0:22:26.290 --> 0:22:29.330 I listened to that tape. I listened to that tape 0:22:29.330 --> 0:22:31.849 probably more than anybody's ever listened to a single sermon 0:22:31.849 --> 0:22:33.660 of yours. I just kept listening to it and listening, 0:22:34.009 --> 0:22:36.089 and I, and I loved your voice because it was 0:22:36.089 --> 0:22:40.089 just like very calming. You were just real chill, just 0:22:40.089 --> 0:22:42.968 laying out the Bible, and I was like, oh man, 0:22:43.330 --> 0:22:45.670 I love the way this guy teaches, and I just 0:22:45.959 --> 0:22:47.259 chewed it all up. 0:22:48.180 --> 0:22:51.950 I love it. Then 25 years later, we stumble into 0:22:51.950 --> 0:22:55.458 each other. It's amazing. It's, it's incredible. And you know, 0:22:55.509 --> 0:22:58.160 the other thing about all that too, I didn't ever 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.989 really know what to make sense of that, but that trial, 0:23:01.070 --> 0:23:04.339 you know how that trial ended up helping me? Years later, 0:23:04.349 --> 0:23:07.540 when I went through doubt, and I was in that 0:23:07.540 --> 0:23:08.570 for like 10 years. 0:23:09.619 --> 0:23:13.900 For whatever reason, the, the spiritual warfare was so powerful 0:23:13.900 --> 0:23:18.770 that I couldn't even entertain atheism in my doubts because 0:23:18.780 --> 0:23:21.780 I knew there was an unseen realm because of all 0:23:21.780 --> 0:23:23.900 that happened. So sometimes God lets us go through a 0:23:23.900 --> 0:23:25.940 trial in our life, and we don't even know what's 0:23:25.940 --> 0:23:27.729 going on, and 20 years later, we'll be able to 0:23:27.729 --> 0:23:30.638 make sense of it in light of another trial. Yeah, wow. 0:23:30.940 --> 0:23:33.498 Anything to add, Brian? I mean, you wrote the book, 0:23:33.729 --> 0:23:35.619 you recorded that tape. I did. 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:40.659 Um, well, you know, I, I do think that sometimes we. 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.999 We forget that that there really is a battle that 0:23:44.999 --> 0:23:48.800 we are living in the midst of. And um I 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:54.670 think sometimes, I mean, obviously it's possible to sort of 0:23:54.670 --> 0:23:58.499 overstate the case and, you know, some people get into 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.999 kind of a superstitious mode where sort of like everything's 0:24:01.999 --> 0:24:04.400 the devil, you know, all the devil is and and 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.988 I think we we definitely want to be on our 0:24:06.989 --> 0:24:08.369 guard against that, but 0:24:09.138 --> 0:24:11.259 We also have to realize, no, there, there is a 0:24:11.259 --> 0:24:16.080 battle and Paul in Ephesians chapter 6, verses 10 through, 0:24:16.540 --> 0:24:21.239 you know, 18, uh, he, he spells out the reality. 0:24:21.300 --> 0:24:25.699 We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against these 0:24:25.700 --> 0:24:28.180 forces of darkness and so forth. That's a, that's a 0:24:28.180 --> 0:24:31.300 real thing. And so we want to recognize that it's 0:24:31.300 --> 0:24:32.629 a real thing and we wanna 0:24:33.099 --> 0:24:36.060 Uh, avail ourselves of the, the help that God's given 0:24:36.060 --> 0:24:39.609 us through the what Paul there calls the armor of God, 0:24:39.900 --> 0:24:46.530 which is essentially an understanding and application of God's word. So, yeah, but, um, I, 0:24:46.739 --> 0:24:51.499 the book, I, you know, kind of updated. So anyway, yeah, the, 0:24:51.690 --> 0:24:55.999 the tape series was originally um where it started. 0:24:56.349 --> 0:24:59.638 But then I, I wrote a book based on that series, 0:24:59.950 --> 0:25:02.629 and for many years it was just simply called Spiritual Warfare. 0:25:02.830 --> 0:25:04.430 And then I changed the name to the Powers of 0:25:04.430 --> 0:25:07.589 Darkness and the People of God. And I'm gonna do 0:25:07.589 --> 0:25:10.589 an update in the near future and I'm gonna keep 0:25:10.589 --> 0:25:12.310 the Powers of Darkness and the people of God, but 0:25:12.310 --> 0:25:16.349 I'm gonna put the subtitle Spiritual Warfare because people, people 0:25:16.349 --> 0:25:18.780 think like, no, I don't want that book Powers of Darkness, 0:25:18.830 --> 0:25:21.429 People of God. I want your book Spiritual Warfare. It's like, well, 0:25:21.509 --> 0:25:24.708 actually it is the same book. So it's expanded, but 0:25:24.709 --> 0:25:25.749 it's the same book, so. 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.478 Yes, I was typing it up online just to get 0:25:28.479 --> 0:25:30.959 the title and something else came up. Powers of Darkness, 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.499 The Lost Version of Dracula. That is not the book 0:25:33.499 --> 0:25:36.320 you want. That is not Brian's book. No, it's the 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.669 Powers of Darkness and the people of God. That's Bram Stoker. 0:25:38.719 --> 0:25:39.939 That's not me. Nope. 0:25:40.739 --> 0:25:43.700 Hey, and for the record, for those that are watching, um, I, 0:25:43.780 --> 0:25:46.780 my hair didn't turn white in the past year. Uh, 0:25:46.859 --> 0:25:49.020 I'm not on my Ecam and I'm noticing it looks 0:25:49.020 --> 0:25:52.619 like I've got like this completely head of white hair. 0:25:52.940 --> 0:25:55.699 It's actually got a lot of brown left still, so 0:25:55.700 --> 0:25:58.920 I'm kind of bummed about, like, the glowing effect. So, 0:25:59.300 --> 0:26:01.939 just know that like the guy hasn't went that downhill 0:26:01.940 --> 0:26:04.900 that bad in one year, because I'm, I'm sitting here going, wow, 0:26:05.020 --> 0:26:07.419 these lights are popping on me, and I'm just looking, 0:26:07.540 --> 0:26:08.259 it looks like. 0:26:08.609 --> 0:26:10.540 It looks like Moses just came down from the mountain 0:26:10.540 --> 0:26:12.080 in this moment, right? Pastor B. 0:26:14.290 --> 0:26:17.609 Well, you know, it's actually on our part now. We 0:26:17.609 --> 0:26:21.290 have these new filters because we don't want anybody here 0:26:21.290 --> 0:26:24.330 to feel like ageism is going on, so we all 0:26:24.330 --> 0:26:29.988 need to look the same. Therefore, we all have gray hair. 0:26:30.530 --> 0:26:35.050 Brian's hair is actually dark black, but on the program 0:26:35.050 --> 0:26:36.369 it looks like he's gray. 0:26:37.570 --> 0:26:40.290 Well, my identity is derived from Jesus and my due. 0:26:40.759 --> 0:26:44.208 So when I saw it just being completely white light, 0:26:44.290 --> 0:26:47.248 I thought this is, uh, an unfortunate moment. But we 0:26:47.249 --> 0:26:49.729 just thought that was kind of like a, you know, 0:26:49.810 --> 0:26:52.969 a halo, like a sort of a glow, a spirit 0:26:52.969 --> 0:26:54.589 glow for sure. 0:26:56.170 --> 0:27:01.119 888-564-6173 is the number to call and in case you've 0:27:01.300 --> 0:27:04.009 just tuned in right now and you're hearing Bobby Conway's 0:27:04.009 --> 0:27:06.249 voice and you're thinking, oh, this must be a rerun, 0:27:06.580 --> 0:27:09.929 Bobby Hayes isn't on the show anymore. Well, he's on today. So, uh, 0:27:09.940 --> 0:27:13.660 call in. We still air his radio program, Christianity Still 0:27:13.660 --> 0:27:16.739 Makes Sense on the weekends here on KWave. That's also 0:27:16.739 --> 0:27:19.780 the name of his book. He's written a few books, um, 0:27:19.940 --> 0:27:23.379 Doubting Toward Faith is another one, The Fifth Gospel. Any 0:27:23.379 --> 0:27:25.060 other books in the works, Bobby? 0:27:26.709 --> 0:27:30.468 No, um, I haven't been doing much writing. My biggest 0:27:30.469 --> 0:27:34.469 thing right now is just, um, art, art. Yeah. That's, um, 0:27:34.550 --> 0:27:36.869 my goal and my dream is to be able to 0:27:36.869 --> 0:27:39.830 serve the church for free and use my gifts in 0:27:39.830 --> 0:27:42.969 the church, but to be a full-time artist. And so, 0:27:42.999 --> 0:27:46.649 that's kind of the dream. And so, yeah, I've started 0:27:47.070 --> 0:27:50.869 another Instagram channel 3 months ago, Bobby Conway Art. 0:27:51.310 --> 0:27:54.229 And so, um, if anybody would be willing to check 0:27:54.229 --> 0:27:56.619 that out, you can see, uh, I'm putting out like 0:27:56.619 --> 0:27:58.530 10 videos a week, would love to have you guys 0:27:58.530 --> 0:28:00.550 jump on and see what I'm up to. But yeah, 0:28:00.619 --> 0:28:05.790 the goal is to start, um, eventually selling t-shirts and prints, 0:28:05.830 --> 0:28:11.550 and I'm doing commission pieces, and teaching drawing courses, um, 0:28:11.670 --> 0:28:14.619 and then just serving in the church faithfully. But right now, that, 0:28:14.830 --> 0:28:16.709 that could take years for that dream to come true, 0:28:16.810 --> 0:28:19.209 but it's become, um, something. 0:28:20.239 --> 0:28:24.290 That I spend quite a bit of time focused on. Yeah, so, 0:28:24.729 --> 0:28:28.229 so Bobby, is it, is it a, um, it's an Instagram. 0:28:29.420 --> 0:28:31.810 Uh, what did you call it, an Instagram channel? 0:28:32.770 --> 0:28:37.030 Yeah, it's my Instagram account Bobby Conway Art. Yeah, is 0:28:37.030 --> 0:28:40.739 it you're a subscriber to it? Is it videos or just, um, 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:45.700 just like a regular Instagram thing? Yeah, so like for example, 0:28:46.639 --> 0:28:49.359 today I've been working on, uh, 0:28:50.190 --> 0:28:52.160 Let's see here. Yeah, yeah, hold it in front of me. Yeah, 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.719 we can see it right there. Yeah, yeah. So I'm 0:28:54.719 --> 0:28:57.359 working on the Steph Curry, but I'm videoing it. It's 0:28:57.359 --> 0:29:01.999 not done, but what I'll do is I time lapse 0:29:01.999 --> 0:29:03.959 it and so you can see the whole, maybe a 0:29:03.959 --> 0:29:08.080 20 hour drawing process come together in 30 seconds. That 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.759 is amazing. So that's a lot of fun. Yeah, I've, 0:29:10.959 --> 0:29:12.560 I've watched those and I'm just like. 0:29:13.290 --> 0:29:18.830 I mean, beside the, you know, just the extraordinary art gift, 0:29:19.209 --> 0:29:21.770 I think this is a cool video. I saw you 0:29:21.770 --> 0:29:23.729 do the Taylor Swift one and it was just cool 0:29:23.729 --> 0:29:25.849 to see all the little, you know, all the little 0:29:25.849 --> 0:29:28.089 bits and pieces that go into it. 0:29:29.070 --> 0:29:31.810 Yeah, the most amazing part is that he just picked 0:29:31.810 --> 0:29:35.479 up a pencil, 2 years ago, 3 years ago, and 0:29:35.479 --> 0:29:38.560 just so unfair. Yeah, it's just some guys have all 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:41.520 the luck. Some guys have all the great hair. Well, hey, 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:43.160 I was driving today and I was like, oh, I 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:44.839 like the sound of this song. I'm gonna see if 0:29:44.839 --> 0:29:45.780 I can sing it. 0:29:46.139 --> 0:29:48.940 So I turned it down and I sang out loud 0:29:48.940 --> 0:29:51.420 for a moment, which I never do, and I said 0:29:51.420 --> 0:29:53.660 out loud in the car, nope, you can't sing, and 0:29:53.660 --> 0:29:56.540 I turned it back down. So I don't think it would, 0:29:56.609 --> 0:30:00.020 it would require a bona fide miracle for me to sing. So, well, 0:30:00.060 --> 0:30:01.979 that'll be, I don't have it. That'll be in your 0:30:01.979 --> 0:30:04.459 next decade. I don't know. OK, we'll be right back 0:30:04.459 --> 0:30:05.959 on Pastor's perspective. 0:30:14.650 --> 0:30:17.969 We are back on Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez here 0:30:17.969 --> 0:30:22.790 with Pastor Brian Broderson and our special guest, Doctor Bobby Conway. 0:30:23.209 --> 0:30:25.160 Haven't had him on in a while, 2nd time this year, 0:30:25.209 --> 0:30:27.488 I think. He was one of our regulars here on 0:30:27.489 --> 0:30:29.530 the show. It's always good to have him back on 0:30:29.530 --> 0:30:31.570 with us. So Bobby, good to see you. We were 0:30:31.810 --> 0:30:35.430 Talking about his Instagram channel, Bobby Conway Art. You can 0:30:35.430 --> 0:30:38.509 go check that out. Bobby. I'm watching right now in 0:30:38.509 --> 0:30:41.339 your studio there up on the wall. It looks like 0:30:41.339 --> 0:30:44.349 an Ella Langley portrait that you did, and I'm one 0:30:44.349 --> 0:30:47.020 of the original Ella fellas, so I might have to 0:30:47.020 --> 0:30:49.650 get that on a t-shirt or something. I don't know. Yeah, 0:30:50.150 --> 0:30:52.489 that's Ella Langley. That's my son Dawson. 0:30:53.540 --> 0:30:55.589 Uh, it's just kind of a cool picture that I 0:30:55.589 --> 0:30:57.900 saw of a, I think it's a boy or a girl. 0:30:58.150 --> 0:31:00.310 I can't tell which way, if you can see it all, 0:31:00.389 --> 0:31:01.800 but yeah, yeah. 0:31:02.930 --> 0:31:06.619 Is that Angelina Jolie on the left? Who's that? It 0:31:06.619 --> 0:31:08.619 kind of looks like her. No, I, I don't know 0:31:08.619 --> 0:31:11.820 who it is. I just saw this picture, and I 0:31:11.820 --> 0:31:15.869 thought it was really cool, like this warrior, uh, girl. 0:31:16.259 --> 0:31:20.959 And so, I draw, I try to go between guy, girl, guy, girl, 0:31:21.099 --> 0:31:23.139 because if I, if I just draw all dudes, then 0:31:23.139 --> 0:31:25.160 it would be like a little sexism. 0:31:25.660 --> 0:31:28.979 So, I'll draw, I'll draw both. And I, and just 0:31:28.979 --> 0:31:31.459 for the listeners too, I drew, my, my strategy is 0:31:31.459 --> 0:31:33.859 I draw a lot of famous people, and the reason 0:31:33.859 --> 0:31:37.180 that I do that is because that's not the long 0:31:37.180 --> 0:31:41.020 term goal. If I draw a stranger, nobody knows. 0:31:41.389 --> 0:31:44.959 That I can capture essence. So if I draw familiar faces, 0:31:45.070 --> 0:31:48.959 then people know I can capture essence, and people search those, 0:31:49.239 --> 0:31:52.599 those stars. So I'm drawing people. It doesn't make my 0:31:52.599 --> 0:31:55.339 drawings are nothing to do with an endorsement of the, 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:59.359 of the people. It's just a face. And then eventually 0:31:59.359 --> 0:32:02.988 when I grow enough, then I'll start creating faces out 0:32:02.989 --> 0:32:03.810 of my own head. 0:32:04.290 --> 0:32:07.969 Because you can't sell Taylor Swift when you're done, uh, 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.290 or whatever. So it's just part of the growth strategy, 0:32:10.330 --> 0:32:13.089 because sometimes Christians will be like, oh, that's so ungodly, 0:32:13.129 --> 0:32:16.420 you drew Mick Jagger. Well, look, I mean, he's a 0:32:16.420 --> 0:32:20.920 human being, uh, you know, I mean, it's, it's, so you, it, it, it, 0:32:21.129 --> 0:32:24.009 it doesn't mean that I'm like behind everything that Mick's 0:32:24.009 --> 0:32:26.969 said and done, it just means that there's a cool picture, 0:32:27.290 --> 0:32:29.869 and I appreciate the picture for the picture's sake. 0:32:30.660 --> 0:32:32.639 So, Bobby, what's the um 0:32:33.950 --> 0:32:35.930 You know, like the average. 0:32:38.410 --> 0:32:42.810 Time, uh, frame for, for start from start to finish 0:32:42.810 --> 0:32:46.109 with one of those portraits. I mean, they're, they're really 0:32:46.290 --> 0:32:49.410 detailed and amazing. And I just, I just try to 0:32:49.410 --> 0:32:52.650 imagine sometimes like, how long are you actually at this? 0:32:54.099 --> 0:32:57.420 Yeah. Well, it takes a long time. I mean, I'm 0:32:57.420 --> 0:32:59.700 getting up at, I mean, I was up at 2:30 0:32:59.700 --> 0:33:02.229 in the morning yesterday, I'm, but that was earlier. And typically, 0:33:02.259 --> 0:33:05.700 I'm up in the 4 o'clock hour. And I'm doing, I'm, 0:33:05.780 --> 0:33:07.820 I'm going from 4 in the morning until 6 at 0:33:07.820 --> 0:33:12.619 night in order to manage my church responsibilities and to 0:33:12.619 --> 0:33:17.800 build this drawing, uh, opportunity. So, it can take like, 0:33:18.509 --> 0:33:21.560 That Stephen Curry piece is a 5 by 7, and 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.859 that can end up taking 15 to 20 hours for 0:33:23.859 --> 0:33:29.489 a piece that size. So, um, it's just insane, you know, 0:33:29.780 --> 0:33:32.349 this was a commission piece that I, that I didn't fit, 0:33:32.430 --> 0:33:34.749 that I messed up. I don't know if you can 0:33:34.749 --> 0:33:37.180 see it. So I messed this up. This isn't the 0:33:37.180 --> 0:33:40.950 final piece. It took me 7 times. Wait, that's something 0:33:40.950 --> 0:33:43.129 you messed up. That's something you messed up. 0:33:43.869 --> 0:33:47.349 Well, I'm an, I'm an aesthetic perfectionist, so, like, you 0:33:47.349 --> 0:33:49.810 wanna see, you wanna see insanity. 0:33:50.739 --> 0:33:51.580 I'll show it to you. 0:33:54.249 --> 0:33:55.109 Watch this. 0:33:56.030 --> 0:33:58.999 We love seeing insanity. Sting, I didn't like it. I 0:33:58.999 --> 0:34:02.800 started over. I didn't like it. I started over. I 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.469 didn't like it. I started over. I didn't like it. 0:34:06.719 --> 0:34:09.520 I started over. I didn't like it. I started over. 0:34:10.379 --> 0:34:13.889 6 stings, but I keep doing it until I get it. 0:34:14.180 --> 0:34:17.100 But I think when you're trying to pursue hyperrealism, which 0:34:17.100 --> 0:34:19.820 I think is, again, the classical music of art, it's 0:34:19.820 --> 0:34:23.209 highly technical. I, you have to have a lot of patience. 0:34:23.300 --> 0:34:26.239 So I, there's, there's an example of all my failures. So, 0:34:26.380 --> 0:34:28.770 I actually am going to be doing posts about that, 0:34:28.780 --> 0:34:30.178 because I don't want people to think, oh, you just 0:34:30.179 --> 0:34:32.739 put together this great piece and it's done. No, a 0:34:32.739 --> 0:34:36.540 lot of failure involved and frustration, where I even doubt myself. 0:34:36.620 --> 0:34:38.520 Last week, I was doubting whether I was an artist. 0:34:41.929 --> 0:34:46.199 Well, let us dispel the doubt. Yes, for sure, for sure. 0:34:49.259 --> 0:34:51.939 I never doubt whether I'm an artist. I, I know 0:34:51.939 --> 0:34:55.198 for sure I'm not. I have absolute clarity on that. 0:34:55.590 --> 0:34:57.929 I think Brian and I can have stick figure drawing 0:34:57.929 --> 0:35:02.100 competitions and, uh, yeah, you don't mind. Um, it's funny 0:35:02.100 --> 0:35:06.219 because both of my daughters and my wife are, they're, 0:35:06.340 --> 0:35:09.499 they're gifted in artistically like that, you know, they can 0:35:09.498 --> 0:35:11.279 paint and draw and things like that. 0:35:11.939 --> 0:35:17.069 Um, both of my sons are, I think, musically, you know, pretty, 0:35:17.229 --> 0:35:20.630 pretty capable, both of them. And I got a little 0:35:20.630 --> 0:35:22.908 bit of music and I, you know, kind of inspired them, 0:35:22.989 --> 0:35:26.270 but I could only take them so far before it 0:35:26.270 --> 0:35:28.830 was like they left Dad in the dust. Uh, but 0:35:28.830 --> 0:35:32.209 apart from that, I just have, um, nothing, you know, 0:35:32.469 --> 0:35:35.860 I love art and art stuff and 0:35:36.770 --> 0:35:38.189 I mean, I can't even. 0:35:39.189 --> 0:35:40.830 You know, make a clay. 0:35:42.439 --> 0:35:42.979 Gumby 0:35:45.498 --> 0:35:47.580 I bet you can. One day we'll sit down next 0:35:47.580 --> 0:35:49.520 to each other and I'm gonna prove you wrong. 0:35:50.649 --> 0:35:54.209 Well, I'll get some play-dough and we'll see how you do. 0:35:55.429 --> 0:35:57.589 You know what though, for, uh, here's a, here's a, 0:35:57.709 --> 0:36:00.850 here's a thought. Being in ministry for so many years, 0:36:01.149 --> 0:36:06.109 you know, pursuing academics for 30 years with, you know, bachelor's, master's, 0:36:06.219 --> 0:36:09.630 2 doctorates, I mean, you can imagine all that obsession 0:36:09.630 --> 0:36:12.630 and studies. And I didn't have a hobby. I mean, 0:36:12.709 --> 0:36:16.259 I just, reading was my hobby. And you had like 0:36:16.259 --> 0:36:19.249 surfing as a hobby. I just didn't have a hobby. 0:36:19.790 --> 0:36:20.248 And 0:36:20.689 --> 0:36:23.530 I didn't realize how much I paid a price for 0:36:23.530 --> 0:36:26.209 not having a hobby. And how do you know when 0:36:26.209 --> 0:36:30.370 it's a hobby? It's a hobby when you're able to 0:36:30.370 --> 0:36:34.350 just be present and not look at the clock and 0:36:34.530 --> 0:36:37.810 just be totally involved in the moment. In fact, when 0:36:37.810 --> 0:36:42.249 you're doing your hobby, time goes by so fast, you 0:36:42.248 --> 0:36:44.509 just can't believe what happened to it. And 0:36:44.919 --> 0:36:47.449 You know, I just think it's important that we all 0:36:47.449 --> 0:36:50.360 have a hobby in our life, because when you have 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.520 a space where you can just be present, it's good 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.140 for your mental health too. Yeah. 0:36:56.060 --> 0:37:01.409 That is for sure. 888-564-6173 is our number. Rhonda, we'll 0:37:01.409 --> 0:37:04.600 talk to you after we speak with Pete in San Pedro. 0:37:04.870 --> 0:37:06.699 Hey Pete, what's your question for us today? 0:37:07.179 --> 0:37:09.939 Yes, hi guys. My question is, um, 0:37:10.820 --> 0:37:14.739 I came from it, it's coming from uh this pamphlet, 0:37:14.820 --> 0:37:18.169 this notes I get from through the Bible, Dr. McGee, 0:37:18.540 --> 0:37:22.179 and it was like, uh, talking about five reasons we 0:37:22.179 --> 0:37:22.799 can know. 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:27.540 The Bible, we know the Bible is from God. OK, 0:37:28.199 --> 0:37:30.560 my question is, the um. 0:37:31.830 --> 0:37:34.029 The second one I think is uh we can know 0:37:34.030 --> 0:37:36.669 the Bible is the word of God through, wait, no, 0:37:36.709 --> 0:37:40.709 that's not it. OK, I'll, I'll try to save time. 0:37:40.790 --> 0:37:43.870 I'll just get to the point. One of the, one 0:37:43.870 --> 0:37:47.989 of the points he's talking about how he can know 0:37:47.989 --> 0:37:53.219 that it is the word of God, and then he says, unfortunately, 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:57.709 it's not the number one selling book in the world anymore. 0:37:59.370 --> 0:38:02.449 From my knowledge, I thought it always has been and 0:38:02.449 --> 0:38:05.569 I was hoping it always will be, but my question is, 0:38:05.689 --> 0:38:08.209 is that true? It's not. And if it's not, do 0:38:08.209 --> 0:38:09.248 you know what is? 0:38:09.919 --> 0:38:12.330 Yeah, we have always heard that statistic that the Bible 0:38:12.330 --> 0:38:14.469 is the best selling book of all time. And it's true. 0:38:14.729 --> 0:38:16.890 It is currently true and it has been true for 0:38:16.890 --> 0:38:21.409 a long time. Well, Dr. McGee died in the 80s, 0:38:21.489 --> 0:38:24.090 so you know, his information is gonna be a little 0:38:24.090 --> 0:38:27.649 bit dated. And so I, you need to be careful 0:38:27.649 --> 0:38:32.120 with that and maybe at that particular moment when he 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.850 was saying that, you know, he was very smart. 0:38:35.699 --> 0:38:38.899 Guy and well informed. So, you know, there might have 0:38:38.899 --> 0:38:44.129 been a, a brief season where that was the case. But, um, 0:38:44.790 --> 0:38:50.229 The Bible is the best selling book of all time, and, uh, 0:38:50.350 --> 0:38:54.748 every year it outsells everything else. So I think the 0:38:54.748 --> 0:38:57.189 reason we might dispute this is because when we look 0:38:57.189 --> 0:39:00.270 at the New York Times or something, their bestseller list, 0:39:00.350 --> 0:39:03.909 it's not like the Bible has been number one or 0:39:03.909 --> 0:39:05.870 anything like that, but I just did a quick search online. 0:39:06.070 --> 0:39:08.498 According to AI, which take that with a grain of salt, 0:39:08.590 --> 0:39:08.880 but 0:39:09.100 --> 0:39:13.850 According to Guinness World Records, an estimated 5 to 7 0:39:13.850 --> 0:39:16.759 billion copies of the Bible have been sold and distributed 0:39:16.979 --> 0:39:20.860 over the last 1500 years. So, I mean, that's an 0:39:20.860 --> 0:39:23.380 amazing figure right there. And the top line there, uh, yes, 0:39:23.498 --> 0:39:26.310 the Christian Bible is the best selling and most distributed 0:39:26.310 --> 0:39:29.020 book of all time. And, and I know that this 0:39:29.020 --> 0:39:31.899 is the case right now because I just did, um, 0:39:32.300 --> 0:39:35.399 I did a lecture back in the summer in England. 0:39:36.110 --> 0:39:38.509 And I did a lecture on William Tyndale, who was 0:39:38.509 --> 0:39:42.949 a translator of the English Bible, and um I did 0:39:42.949 --> 0:39:46.669 it with the Bible Society in the UK and you know, 0:39:46.790 --> 0:39:51.069 those stats were exactly what theirs were. So Pete, thanks 0:39:51.070 --> 0:39:54.259 for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective. Now we'll 0:39:54.259 --> 0:39:58.748 talk to Rhonda in Fontana. It looks like a follow-up question. Hey, Rhonda, 0:39:58.790 --> 0:40:00.649 what's your uh question for us today? 0:40:02.330 --> 0:40:03.350 Hi, um 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:07.850 Actually, it's kind of about spiritual warfare, but it's not 0:40:07.850 --> 0:40:11.689 really a question. Uh, I loved your conversation. I loved 0:40:11.689 --> 0:40:17.229 hearing Bobby's, uh, story about it. Uh, I love Bobby's drawings. 0:40:17.370 --> 0:40:22.669 I've seen them. Um, anyway, um, you're welcome. 0:40:23.709 --> 0:40:24.379 Um, 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.209 I kind of wanted to tell you guys so you 0:40:27.209 --> 0:40:33.109 can pray. I've been kind of under some weird spiritual warfare. Uh, 0:40:33.489 --> 0:40:35.949 I work for a school district, so we've been back 0:40:35.959 --> 0:40:39.610 to school since August 5th or 6th, something like that. 0:40:40.350 --> 0:40:43.498 And since then till now I've been in 3 car 0:40:43.498 --> 0:40:48.509 accidents on the way to or on the way home 0:40:48.509 --> 0:40:49.330 from work. 0:40:50.310 --> 0:40:54.870 Wow. Uh, 2 of them were rear-ending and one of 0:40:54.870 --> 0:40:57.489 them was, um, in a parking lot. 0:40:58.340 --> 0:41:01.669 And for the last two, which was the parking lot 0:41:01.669 --> 0:41:06.069 and the rear ending, um, I've had to get lawyers 0:41:06.429 --> 0:41:11.550 and I have never had to deal with lawyers. So, um, yeah, 0:41:11.669 --> 0:41:14.149 because the, the parking lot guy where from the pictures 0:41:14.149 --> 0:41:19.189 I have, it's pretty obvious who hit who, but either way, and, uh, 0:41:19.270 --> 0:41:21.449 he was trying to say it was 100% my fault. 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.929 And so then he got a lawyer and I'm like, what? 0:41:25.350 --> 0:41:26.448 I gotta get one now too. 0:41:27.290 --> 0:41:31.370 Um, and then the last one that I had happened 0:41:31.370 --> 0:41:33.149 on September 11th. 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:40.060 And uh that was, I was at a signal, stopped 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.498 at a light and um 0:41:43.489 --> 0:41:46.529 She rear-ended me and I went to turn into the 0:41:46.530 --> 0:41:49.919 parking lot and I thought I saw following me, but 0:41:49.919 --> 0:41:51.290 then she ended up taking off. 0:41:52.090 --> 0:41:54.330 And at first I was like, great, a hit and run. Now, 0:41:54.340 --> 0:41:56.060 what is this gonna do to me? But I had 0:41:56.060 --> 0:41:59.498 a good Samaritan guy. He came up a little bit 0:41:59.498 --> 0:42:02.310 later and he said, Are you the one that got rear-ended? 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.738 I said, yes, I am. And he said, I got 0:42:05.739 --> 0:42:08.359 a picture and you can take my name and number. 0:42:08.699 --> 0:42:10.640 This is the license plate. Here's my name and number 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.340 for witness. So I said, oh, I'm gonna get a 0:42:13.340 --> 0:42:14.399 lawyer for this one too. 0:42:15.729 --> 0:42:15.739 Man. 0:42:17.290 --> 0:42:19.279 I don't know if it's right or not, but 0:42:19.929 --> 0:42:20.479 Um, 0:42:21.380 --> 0:42:23.499 Hey, one piece of advice on that, and I'm sorry 0:42:23.498 --> 0:42:26.979 you're getting in these car accidents, uh, that I've, I've 0:42:26.979 --> 0:42:30.020 been in several when I was young, and it made 0:42:30.020 --> 0:42:32.899 me very nervous to drive for a long time, and 0:42:32.899 --> 0:42:36.640 it's crazy how vulnerable we are. But my son was rear-ended, 0:42:36.659 --> 0:42:40.340 and in hindsight, uh, it's possible you're gonna get a 0:42:40.340 --> 0:42:42.169 call from a lawyer and they're gonna try to settle 0:42:42.169 --> 0:42:42.780 with you. 0:42:43.159 --> 0:42:46.890 And they're gonna lowball something. Um, I don't know if 0:42:46.890 --> 0:42:51.370 you're injured. My, my son had some difficult issues going 0:42:51.370 --> 0:42:52.449 on with his back. 0:42:52.870 --> 0:42:56.270 And I think sometimes what ends up happening is, uh, 0:42:56.429 --> 0:42:58.350 they'll make it sound like, oh, you know, just take 0:42:58.350 --> 0:43:01.350 this or leave it. And then sometimes people will take 0:43:01.350 --> 0:43:06.350 a lot less, but then they might struggle with lifelong pain. So, really, um, get, 0:43:06.530 --> 0:43:10.149 get some legal advice about what to accept and what 0:43:10.149 --> 0:43:14.709 not to accept, so that if there has been like injury. 0:43:15.199 --> 0:43:19.570 That's going to require a lot of adjustment, you're compensated 0:43:19.570 --> 0:43:24.149 for that. Um, obviously, if there's not that kind of 0:43:24.149 --> 0:43:25.959 a thing going on, then, you know, we don't just 0:43:25.959 --> 0:43:30.080 want to milk the system. But sometimes people have genuine injuries, 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.009 and they can use the help, and then they're cheated 0:43:33.009 --> 0:43:36.549 out of that opportunity because maybe they didn't have legal counsel. Yeah. 0:43:38.149 --> 0:43:41.749 Yeah, for the first, um, accident, it was another rear end, 0:43:41.850 --> 0:43:44.509 but she stayed, she was really nice. But, um, 0:43:45.459 --> 0:43:49.050 I ended up settling real quickly with that one because 0:43:49.060 --> 0:43:53.399 I wasn't really hurt that bad. But then the other two, 0:43:53.419 --> 0:43:56.339 which have kind of impounded the pain that I had 0:43:56.340 --> 0:43:58.698 from the first one, I'm like, I'm not gonna settle 0:43:58.699 --> 0:44:02.020 on these ones because now I have neck and upper 0:44:02.020 --> 0:44:06.360 back pain that I've never had to deal with before. Yeah. So. 0:44:07.159 --> 0:44:12.419 Yeah. Um, I do have a lawyer, but 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.259 I don't know. I haven't heard much from him. It's 0:44:16.259 --> 0:44:18.429 kind of like he's giving me the, give us the 0:44:18.429 --> 0:44:21.360 paperwork and we'll get back to them. Like, it's how 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.239 it's supposed to be, or are they supposed to call 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:23.658 me more? 0:44:24.909 --> 0:44:25.850 I don't know. 0:44:27.259 --> 0:44:30.659 So you're calling basically just for prayer because of everything 0:44:30.659 --> 0:44:33.459 that's been going on these past 2 to 8 weeks 0:44:33.459 --> 0:44:34.020 or something. 0:44:35.169 --> 0:44:36.320 Yeah, yeah. 0:44:37.110 --> 0:44:38.999 But it feels like it's spiritual. 0:44:40.130 --> 0:44:43.929 Warfare because like even this last weekend, I, I was 0:44:43.929 --> 0:44:47.879 struggling with my depression, which I deal with, and I'm like, 0:44:47.929 --> 0:44:50.890 what is this? What is this? And at first I 0:44:50.890 --> 0:44:53.780 was like almost to it and then I'm like, no, 0:44:54.209 --> 0:44:59.009 he's at it again, stupid devil. You know, he's trying 0:44:59.009 --> 0:45:01.569 to mess me up. And after the, the 3rd accident, 0:45:01.649 --> 0:45:04.229 I was, I was actually in the car by myself 0:45:04.489 --> 0:45:07.090 and I was like, I'm still gonna have faith in God. 0:45:07.130 --> 0:45:08.290 I don't care what you do. 0:45:08.939 --> 0:45:12.419 My faith is strong and this little accident is not 0:45:12.419 --> 0:45:14.499 gonna turn me away from God. So why don't you 0:45:14.498 --> 0:45:15.479 just stop right now? 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:18.759 If only it were that easy, right? Brian, would you 0:45:18.759 --> 0:45:22.390 pray for Rhonda? Yeah, sure. Lord, we do pray for 0:45:22.390 --> 0:45:25.080 Rhonda and um, you know, it could be that there 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:31.129 is something going on here with warfare with these um 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:35.820 kind of back to back accidents and things like that. 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:39.080 And with the depression and all that, Lord, we know 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:45.649 that the enemy has lots of different uh tactics and things. So. 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:51.009 Wherever he's active in regard to Rhonda, we pray that 0:45:51.009 --> 0:45:55.270 you would just push back on the enemy and um 0:45:56.259 --> 0:45:57.909 Keep her um. 0:45:59.110 --> 0:46:02.140 In your care, watch over her, guard her, keep her. 0:46:02.630 --> 0:46:04.229 Thank you, Lord, that um. 0:46:05.219 --> 0:46:08.540 You are in us and greater is the one in 0:46:08.540 --> 0:46:12.050 us than the one in the world. And so pray 0:46:12.050 --> 0:46:16.860 that she wouldn't be overly concerned or fearful in regard 0:46:16.860 --> 0:46:20.840 to the warfare, but just recognizing that it does exist 0:46:20.909 --> 0:46:25.169 and recognizing that you're the one that will um 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.290 Help us through it, so do that for her, we pray. 0:46:29.439 --> 0:46:34.479 In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Rhonda. Thanks for calling 0:46:34.479 --> 0:46:38.799 us today here on Pastor's Perspective. And yeah, those hit 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:42.439 and run accidents are the worst. I was in one 0:46:42.439 --> 0:46:44.640 a few months ago and a person just took off 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:45.520 and I'm thinking. 0:46:45.989 --> 0:46:49.949 Wait a minute. So I chased her down because I'm 0:46:49.949 --> 0:46:52.589 just crazy that way. But, uh, you know, at first 0:46:52.590 --> 0:46:54.219 she was like, I didn't hit you. I didn't hit you. 0:46:54.290 --> 0:46:56.790 Then I'm, I hadn't even started talking to her about anything. 0:46:56.870 --> 0:46:59.330 She's like, Why are you chasing me? Who are you? 0:46:59.949 --> 0:47:01.630 I didn't hit you. And I'm like, Wait, wait, wait. 0:47:01.830 --> 0:47:04.859 I haven't even said that you hit me, so I 0:47:04.860 --> 0:47:09.229 don't know. People are nuts, but whatever it seems, it seems, 0:47:09.310 --> 0:47:11.549 I mean, people are nuts. It does seem like the 0:47:11.550 --> 0:47:14.179 hit and run thing is more common today than it's 0:47:14.179 --> 0:47:18.550 ever been. Just like it almost always happens. People are like, yeah, 0:47:18.590 --> 0:47:20.189 I just crashed into that guy, but I'm getting out 0:47:20.189 --> 0:47:21.749 of here, you know. 0:47:22.669 --> 0:47:24.469 Yeah, and then there's times where people take off and 0:47:24.469 --> 0:47:26.259 they don't even know if they killed somebody or not. 0:47:26.350 --> 0:47:28.520 It's like, how do you live with that? Like, you could, 0:47:28.630 --> 0:47:30.749 you could be tormented the rest of your life because 0:47:30.748 --> 0:47:34.939 you took off wondering, did the person even survive the accident, 0:47:34.949 --> 0:47:37.669 and you don't even know. Um, it's just a, it's 0:47:37.669 --> 0:47:40.030 just a mess. Like we shouldn't operate like that. 0:47:40.735 --> 0:47:45.495 All because they were watching a YouTube video while driving, 0:47:45.655 --> 0:47:47.154 you know, I could have waited till you got home. 0:47:47.334 --> 0:47:51.574 I mean, I don't know. That's just me. Abigail in 0:47:51.574 --> 0:47:57.495 Hemet listening to K Wave and calling in to 888-564-6173. Hello. 0:47:59.070 --> 0:48:00.290 Hi, how are you? 0:48:00.429 --> 0:48:01.890 Doing well, thanks. What's going on? 0:48:03.580 --> 0:48:07.419 Um, uh, my husband is here too, and my family 0:48:07.419 --> 0:48:10.860 and I, him, me and my stepson, um, started a 0:48:10.860 --> 0:48:14.759 family Bible study, and we're, um, our study guide is 0:48:14.759 --> 0:48:20.620 52 weeks through the Bible by John MacArthur, and then 0:48:20.620 --> 0:48:24.060 we were studying Genesis 3 the other day, and we're 0:48:24.060 --> 0:48:26.040 all wondering how 0:48:26.780 --> 0:48:31.439 Did this serpent get there and if he was possessed 0:48:32.199 --> 0:48:34.320 or if it was possessed by 0:48:35.050 --> 0:48:39.009 Lucifer, right? Is that your question? Yeah, yeah. 0:48:40.140 --> 0:48:40.580 That's all right. 0:48:41.550 --> 0:48:42.509 So Brian, what do you say? 0:48:44.009 --> 0:48:47.739 Ah, yes, of course, that is the case, um. 0:48:48.669 --> 0:48:55.770 As to how all we know is that apparently before. 0:48:57.030 --> 0:48:58.449 The um. 0:48:59.310 --> 0:49:04.620 Creation of human beings. Um, the, the person that we 0:49:04.620 --> 0:49:09.659 call the devil, devil means slanderer, um, had already rebelled 0:49:09.659 --> 0:49:13.699 against God. So in two passages in the Old Testament, uh, 0:49:13.850 --> 0:49:17.439 Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, we kind of are given 0:49:17.790 --> 0:49:18.959 a little bit of a 0:49:20.370 --> 0:49:26.810 Of a look behind the curtain at what happened with 0:49:26.810 --> 0:49:30.969 the fall of the of Lucifer, we can we can 0:49:30.969 --> 0:49:35.110 call him Lucifer. Um, there's some, some debate about that 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:39.330 that word, but it's, it's no big deal. Um, so, 0:49:39.689 --> 0:49:42.408 you know, the recording of of the fall of Lucifer 0:49:42.409 --> 0:49:48.229 comes in those chapters. And then we know from 0:49:48.979 --> 0:49:53.859 Further revelation, say, in the New Testament, Jesus says, I 0:49:53.860 --> 0:49:57.899 saw Satan fall as lightning from heaven. And um, and 0:49:57.899 --> 0:50:01.479 then we go further into the New Testament, we find 0:50:01.780 --> 0:50:04.859 in the book of Revelation, you know, we have references 0:50:04.860 --> 0:50:09.540 to the serpent, the dragon, and the serpent of old 0:50:09.540 --> 0:50:13.899 who is the devil in Satan. So, um, the, the 0:50:13.899 --> 0:50:17.350 scriptures identify the creature in the garden as 0:50:18.810 --> 0:50:24.350 Satan as the adversary or the devil, the slanderer, um, 0:50:24.620 --> 0:50:27.830 and just exactly, you know, how 0:50:29.699 --> 0:50:36.179 All of that developed with the um this spirit possessing 0:50:36.179 --> 0:50:37.999 this um creature. 0:50:38.780 --> 0:50:42.810 is beyond us. We don't know because the Bible doesn't 0:50:42.810 --> 0:50:45.820 tell us. It just simply says that, um, 0:50:46.530 --> 0:50:49.009 The serpent was more subtle than the other beast, and 0:50:49.009 --> 0:50:50.409 the serpent said to the woman, 0:50:51.219 --> 0:50:55.570 And so, um, you know, and the word serpent, there 0:50:55.570 --> 0:51:01.819 is even a word that is not necessarily uh serpent, 0:51:02.060 --> 0:51:06.810 although it can be serpent. Uh, some translated the shining one. 0:51:07.419 --> 0:51:11.899 So there's some mystery around it, but not mystery as 0:51:11.899 --> 0:51:14.939 to who it is, but mystery as to how it 0:51:14.939 --> 0:51:17.939 all came about. Bobby, what do you think? 0:51:19.060 --> 0:51:22.169 Yeah, I think that's good. I mean, when I'm reading 0:51:22.169 --> 0:51:27.580 Genesis 3, I think I'm looking for, on an application level, um, 0:51:28.009 --> 0:51:33.749 how do we resist temptation, because that Genesis 3 story 0:51:33.748 --> 0:51:38.209 repeats itself several times a day in many of our lives, 0:51:38.530 --> 0:51:42.810 and the principles are there. We are to be aware that, well, 0:51:42.890 --> 0:51:45.310 what does Satan do? He, well, he twists scripture. 0:51:45.939 --> 0:51:49.939 Uh, did God actually say, um, he'll exaggerate it or 0:51:49.939 --> 0:51:53.498 he'll eliminate it. Um, and so he'll even say things 0:51:53.498 --> 0:51:57.370 like in that text, um, you're not gonna die. So, 0:51:57.380 --> 0:52:02.249 in other words, there's not gonna be consequences for your action. You're, you, so, 0:52:02.459 --> 0:52:05.499 what will Satan do? He'll twist God's word, he'll tell 0:52:05.498 --> 0:52:08.979 you there's not gonna be any consequences. He'll make it 0:52:08.979 --> 0:52:12.658 look really appealing, and then he'll take off on you 0:52:12.659 --> 0:52:13.659 once you. 0:52:14.469 --> 0:52:17.350 You know, take the bait. So I do think it's 0:52:17.350 --> 0:52:20.989 important that we know God's word. What's interesting in Matthew 4, 0:52:21.070 --> 0:52:24.069 when Jesus is tempted by the evil one in the wilderness, 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:29.360 Um, you know, Satan tempts them using Deuteronomy on 3 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:34.060 different occasions, twisting the scripture, and Jesus was able to 0:52:34.479 --> 0:52:37.439 rebuke that and be able to resist what was going on. 0:52:37.509 --> 0:52:41.179 And I think, wow. Well, if we were being tempted 0:52:41.679 --> 0:52:44.779 based on our knowledge of the Book of Deuteronomy, how 0:52:44.780 --> 0:52:46.020 well would we do? 0:52:46.659 --> 0:52:49.739 You know, so we need to know God's word, so 0:52:49.739 --> 0:52:53.780 that we can discern when the enemy's twisting scripture, and 0:52:53.780 --> 0:52:55.820 he does it today. I see so many people that 0:52:55.820 --> 0:53:00.409 have caved into the culture, and then they have this Luke, uh, 0:53:00.459 --> 0:53:04.179 this wishy-washy view of scripture that's rooted in their feelings, 0:53:04.199 --> 0:53:07.739 and it's obvious that the enemy is using scripture in 0:53:07.739 --> 0:53:11.439 a twisted way, and they have failed to discern the truth, 0:53:11.709 --> 0:53:13.380 and as a result, we have to clean up the 0:53:13.380 --> 0:53:15.100 mess in the Christian community. 0:53:15.459 --> 0:53:17.830 It is, as it relates to some of the poor 0:53:17.830 --> 0:53:19.609 doctrines that are out there because of this. 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:22.629 Abigail, does this help you and your family? 0:53:24.100 --> 0:53:27.179 Yeah, it does. Yeah, we also compared it with um 0:53:27.179 --> 0:53:31.149 Matthew 4 somehow it's like a spirit, and then we're 0:53:31.149 --> 0:53:33.658 just wondering too like why of all animals it was 0:53:33.659 --> 0:53:37.659 the serpent, but I guess it's not really, it's not clear. 0:53:37.739 --> 0:53:40.140 It's not that clear or it's not, it's not the 0:53:40.140 --> 0:53:40.800 first snake. 0:53:40.939 --> 0:53:43.659 Yeah, and, and you know, like I said, the, the 0:53:43.659 --> 0:53:47.319 Hebrew word sometimes people will translate it the shining one, 0:53:47.659 --> 0:53:52.580 and then, um, dragon is also the way um he 0:53:52.580 --> 0:53:53.699 is referred to. 0:53:54.498 --> 0:53:57.110 As well. Um, you know, we think, I think we 0:53:57.110 --> 0:53:59.350 mostly think of a serpent, a snake, you know, crawling 0:53:59.350 --> 0:54:02.498 on the ground. But the interesting thing is, it was 0:54:02.498 --> 0:54:06.949 a result of the curse that, um, God says to 0:54:06.949 --> 0:54:12.149 this creature, you shall now go on your belly, and 0:54:12.149 --> 0:54:15.109 dust shall be your food all the days of your life. 0:54:15.229 --> 0:54:20.719 So apparently that wasn't the case before. And um, so yeah, it's, 0:54:20.748 --> 0:54:22.790 it's one of those mystery things that we just 0:54:23.209 --> 0:54:25.120 You know, so you see a snake today and you're like, 0:54:25.130 --> 0:54:28.009 oh my gosh, you know, it, you know, some people 0:54:28.009 --> 0:54:33.199 just are freaked out by snakes just naturally. Bobby and some, uh, 0:54:33.370 --> 0:54:35.090 Cheryl wrote, I'd be freaked out if I saw a 0:54:35.090 --> 0:54:38.890 snake walking too. So yeah, yeah, that's right. And, uh, 0:54:39.009 --> 0:54:42.840 but other people are, you know, freaked out, kind of like, well, 0:54:43.050 --> 0:54:46.050 snakes are evil, you know, because the devil, and it's like, well, no, 0:54:46.169 --> 0:54:48.199 snakes are still cuds creatures, but 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.140 Yeah, you don't want to mess around with them, especially 0:54:51.140 --> 0:54:54.199 the AI type. Oh yeah, those are the scariest ones. Yes, 0:54:54.998 --> 0:54:58.919 Bobby Conway, 30 seconds. I think Satan created all the 0:54:58.919 --> 0:55:01.498 snakes post, uh, fall. 0:55:03.850 --> 0:55:09.270 Now that, that could borderline on Harris here. Yes, yes. Well, Bobby, 0:55:09.330 --> 0:55:12.178 it was great seeing you today here on Pastor's Perspective. 0:55:12.248 --> 0:55:14.880 We hope to have you back again soon. In the meantime, everyone, 0:55:14.929 --> 0:55:18.759 you can follow Bobby and his latest masterpieces on his 0:55:18.759 --> 0:55:23.020 Instagram channel. It's called Bobby Conway Art. But, uh, yeah, 0:55:23.169 --> 0:55:23.929 good seeing you, man. 0:55:24.748 --> 0:55:27.070 Hey, great being with you guys as always. Yeah, thanks 0:55:27.070 --> 0:55:31.149 for being willing to just jump on at, uh, you know, 0:55:31.429 --> 0:55:34.640 spur of the moment. So happy to, yeah, all right, man, 0:55:34.748 --> 0:55:37.350 we'll see you soon, Brian Broderson. We'll talk to you 0:55:37.350 --> 0:55:41.580 next week. Next week, yep, very cool. All right, guys, 0:55:41.669 --> 0:55:43.870 God bless you. We're gonna archive today's episode, by the way, 0:55:43.909 --> 0:55:47.270 on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. If you missed 0:55:47.270 --> 0:55:48.830 any part of it, just wanna hear it again or 0:55:48.830 --> 0:55:50.949 share it with your friends, it'll be there in a 0:55:50.949 --> 0:55:52.249 matter of moments. 0:55:52.689 --> 0:55:55.409 And we'll talk to you tomorrow here on Pastor's Perspective.