WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-09/23/26 0:00:19.829 --> 0:00:25.089 Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez. 0:00:25.190 --> 0:00:28.290 It is 3 o'clock up and down the West Coast, 0:00:28.790 --> 0:00:31.220 and that means we are ready to answer the Bible 0:00:31.220 --> 0:00:40.050 questions you have. So start calling in 888-564-6173 is the number. 888-564-6173. 0:00:40.190 --> 0:00:43.029 You can also watch us live streaming and uh if 0:00:43.028 --> 0:00:47.048 you're on Facebook, YouTube or Instagram, scan the QR code there. 0:00:47.290 --> 0:00:51.209 It'll take you to the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com 0:00:51.209 --> 0:00:54.569 where you can send in your question. We probably won't 0:00:54.569 --> 0:00:56.330 see it today though, so if you have a question 0:00:56.330 --> 0:01:01.880 for us today, call in 888-564-6173. We've got Brian Broderson 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.809 here today. He's the pastor emeritus at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. 0:01:05.889 --> 0:01:06.729 How's it going, Brian? 0:01:08.369 --> 0:01:10.889 Doing great, thank you. Good to be here. Yes, good 0:01:10.889 --> 0:01:13.250 to have you here. And joining us is Eric Thomas. 0:01:13.328 --> 0:01:15.770 He's one of the professors at the Talbot School of 0:01:15.770 --> 0:01:19.809 Theology at Viola University. He's also a teaching pastor at 0:01:19.810 --> 0:01:23.089 Grace EV Free Church in Lamerada. Eric, good to see 0:01:23.089 --> 0:01:24.130 you again, sir. 0:01:24.839 --> 0:01:27.158 Good to be with you guys again. Always is. Yeah, 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.078 what's new with you, Eric? It's been a while. Yeah, we're, 0:01:31.259 --> 0:01:34.279 we've gotten around a little traveling, went to Scotland for 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.680 a couple of weeks and really enjoyed that and nice 0:01:37.679 --> 0:01:43.909 back at it. Very cool. All right, 888-564-6173 is the 0:01:43.908 --> 0:01:45.759 number to call us, and you know what, let's just 0:01:45.759 --> 0:01:49.439 go right to the phones. Why not? Here is, oh wait, 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:50.880 I did that thing again. I've got. 0:01:52.009 --> 0:01:53.250 Sorry, it's been one of those days. 0:01:54.189 --> 0:01:57.270 Like a Monday happening on a Wednesday. All right, here 0:01:57.270 --> 0:01:59.890 we go. Click this button, now I can push it. 0:02:00.060 --> 0:02:02.259 But see, I've gotten a lot quicker at fixing it now, so. 0:02:03.119 --> 0:02:05.689 Let's talk to Honey in Lake Forest who listens to 0:02:05.689 --> 0:02:08.240 us on K-wave. How can we help you? What's your 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.570 question today? Hi there. I've been, I listen to you 0:02:11.570 --> 0:02:15.130 guys all the time. So thank you nice to actually 0:02:15.130 --> 0:02:19.480 talk to you guys. Um, so I was watching YouTube and, 0:02:19.490 --> 0:02:22.249 uh oh, I know why you're laughing because we always 0:02:22.249 --> 0:02:23.790 warn you about watching YouTube. 0:02:24.820 --> 0:02:27.189 What's the warning about watching YouTube, honey? 0:02:28.359 --> 0:02:32.999 I know. I saw this priest and um before I continue, I, 0:02:33.079 --> 0:02:37.240 I call myself a recovering Catholic. Um, I was raised Catholic, so, 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.340 but when I left home, of course, I was just 0:02:39.340 --> 0:02:42.680 all about me, you know, uh, uh, I was not Catholic. So, 0:02:42.719 --> 0:02:45.359 I mean, just raised. Anyways, uh, so I saw this 0:02:45.359 --> 0:02:48.659 priest saying about how 0:02:49.199 --> 0:02:54.639 He literally saw someone become possessed by the enemy while 0:02:54.639 --> 0:03:01.540 they were in lotus pose, and he was saying that, um, basically, 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.840 so I, I, I struggle with, uh, cause I know 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.960 they're all about possessions and stuff. First of all, I 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.680 think it's pretty hard to possess someone if you're a 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.320 believer because those, you know, he that is in me 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.279 is stronger than he that is of the world, so 0:03:14.279 --> 0:03:16.499 I don't know how he's gonna do that, but 0:03:17.299 --> 0:03:18.820 So 2 things he said that. 0:03:19.669 --> 0:03:21.549 That practicing it. 0:03:22.439 --> 0:03:29.159 Would um open up someone to demonic forces. And when 0:03:29.159 --> 0:03:32.880 I practice it, you you know, cause one of my friends, she's, 0:03:32.999 --> 0:03:35.880 she's also a believer, and a fellow yogi, months ago, 0:03:35.999 --> 0:03:37.499 she told me that she, cause I hadn't seen her 0:03:37.499 --> 0:03:40.439 in class, she said she no longer does it because 0:03:41.109 --> 0:03:43.350 Um, she doesn't want to open herself up. 0:03:44.059 --> 0:03:47.699 Certain forces and we were just doing it for 0:03:48.469 --> 0:03:52.949 Just the physical benefits. Nothing about, you know, when I 0:03:52.949 --> 0:03:56.949 was doing stuff in certain studios, you know, when they 0:03:56.949 --> 0:04:01.350 would do the chiming or when they would do that 0:04:01.350 --> 0:04:05.029 big gong or whatever, I would be, you know, when they, 0:04:05.189 --> 0:04:07.790 especially when they would like the umming, the, the um 0:04:07.790 --> 0:04:12.870 like that, I would literally start doing the, um, the 0:04:12.870 --> 0:04:14.829 Our Father in my head because I was not about 0:04:14.829 --> 0:04:15.309 to do that. 0:04:15.659 --> 0:04:17.620 You know what I mean? I'm not about to do that. So, 0:04:17.659 --> 0:04:20.739 but the fact is that I don't, I already don't 0:04:20.740 --> 0:04:22.620 believe that I'm gonna be, you know, possessed by the 0:04:22.620 --> 0:04:25.138 enemy because, you know, the Holy Spirit's in me, but 0:04:25.139 --> 0:04:29.698 it's just the spiritual forces, would I be opening a 0:04:29.698 --> 0:04:32.259 door to that? What do you think, Pastor Brian? 0:04:34.049 --> 0:04:37.940 Um, I don't, I, I, look, I think there's, you know, 0:04:38.020 --> 0:04:40.960 it's sort of like martial arts. They, they all come 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.539 from a similar origin in eastern. 0:04:45.568 --> 0:04:49.770 Religions and meditations and so forth, but they obviously all 0:04:49.770 --> 0:04:55.099 have a physical, um, a, a strong physical component. Yoga 0:04:55.448 --> 0:04:58.049 is a lot more about stretching and things like that, 0:04:58.210 --> 0:04:59.690 so I think, 0:05:00.779 --> 0:05:04.169 If you engage in the spiritual side of it, then 0:05:04.750 --> 0:05:08.669 you could be vulnerable, ah, but if you're just simply 0:05:08.669 --> 0:05:13.870 exercising and you're in the lotus position, there's, I, I 0:05:13.870 --> 0:05:18.190 don't think Hinduism has the market on the particular position 0:05:18.190 --> 0:05:22.609 of your body, so I would not think that, um, 0:05:22.990 --> 0:05:27.099 there would be any risk or danger. Again, if you're, 0:05:27.329 --> 0:05:28.348 like you said, you're not, 0:05:28.969 --> 0:05:32.370 Oh mean or you're not involving yourself at all in 0:05:32.370 --> 0:05:36.849 the spiritual side of it, so, um, so I would, um, 0:05:36.969 --> 0:05:40.639 I mean, I didn't hear what the, what the priest said. 0:05:40.650 --> 0:05:42.989 I'm just taking your word for it. I would disagree 0:05:42.990 --> 0:05:44.889 with him on that. I was gonna say, why would 0:05:44.889 --> 0:05:49.529 he say that he literally or physically, whatever, saw someone 0:05:49.529 --> 0:05:53.490 get possessed when they were in a, in the lotus position. 0:05:53.940 --> 0:05:55.859 I mean, what do you think he might have seen, 0:05:55.900 --> 0:05:57.629 if that's what he said, because like you said, we 0:05:57.628 --> 0:05:58.789 didn't hear this ourselves. 0:06:00.190 --> 0:06:01.828 Um, I don't know. Yeah. 0:06:02.609 --> 0:06:05.419 No idea what he, I mean, where was he, you know, 0:06:05.698 --> 0:06:09.569 maybe he was in Tibet or something, I don't know. So, I, 0:06:09.698 --> 0:06:12.979 I'm sure Eric's got a, a brilliant thought on this though, 0:06:13.139 --> 0:06:16.779 so I'm gonna pass, I'm gonna pass it over to him. 0:06:18.859 --> 0:06:22.940 Yeah, I, I, I think Brian's on the money when 0:06:22.940 --> 0:06:27.900 he says Hindu Hinduism doesn't have a monopoly on certain 0:06:27.900 --> 0:06:31.299 positions of our bodies. It's a really helpful way to 0:06:31.299 --> 0:06:36.919 put it. And there's nothing sort of objectively demonic or 0:06:36.919 --> 0:06:41.930 idolatrous about a, a particular way of stretching, as he said. 0:06:43.270 --> 0:06:47.710 In the context of yoga, I, I do think it's 0:06:47.710 --> 0:06:51.449 important to realize that there are deep spiritual and religious 0:06:51.448 --> 0:06:54.810 elements to that, and that becomes a real 0:06:56.008 --> 0:06:59.699 Need for wisdom to know how much you're actually engaging 0:06:59.698 --> 0:07:04.220 in something that could open you up to spiritual influences 0:07:04.219 --> 0:07:07.939 you don't want to. I actually think about giving respect 0:07:07.940 --> 0:07:11.060 to people who do believe those things and realizing I 0:07:11.060 --> 0:07:14.099 don't get my version of it, you know, I, I 0:07:14.099 --> 0:07:15.660 don't get to say, well, I. 0:07:16.310 --> 0:07:19.410 I practice this part of that religion, but I, I 0:07:19.410 --> 0:07:22.669 don't include all of it in it. There is something 0:07:22.669 --> 0:07:24.989 about that. We have good friends who are missionaries in India, 0:07:25.109 --> 0:07:29.190 and they're constantly trying to figure out what in that 0:07:29.190 --> 0:07:31.990 culture is perfectly fine for them to bring into their 0:07:31.990 --> 0:07:35.989 family and their regular practices like henna on her arms 0:07:35.990 --> 0:07:40.160 during her wedding is a real Indian tradition that has 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.310 spiritual and religious elements to it, but it's become so 0:07:44.310 --> 0:07:46.179 secularized that. 0:07:46.799 --> 0:07:50.559 Um, for, for most people, it doesn't have any, any anymore. You, 0:07:50.639 --> 0:07:55.530 you could say, well, non-Christians have Christmas trees, and that's, uh, that's, 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.270 that's religious appropriation, I guess you could say, but, you know, 0:07:59.359 --> 0:08:03.439 there's some things that become pretty disconnected from the religious 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.440 roots of it. Uh, so I think it requires being 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:11.280 careful with wisdom to not open ourselves up to spiritual 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.759 and religious influences we don't want to, and at the 0:08:13.759 --> 0:08:14.660 same time, 0:08:15.259 --> 0:08:19.810 Not think that things in themselves hold those powers like a, a, 0:08:19.870 --> 0:08:22.819 a bodily position. It, you know, if, if it's just 0:08:22.819 --> 0:08:25.280 stretching to me, I think we should call it stretching. 0:08:25.660 --> 0:08:27.859 If it's just exercise, I think we should call it 0:08:27.859 --> 0:08:30.299 exercise as soon as you start bringing all the terminology 0:08:30.299 --> 0:08:33.020 in and, and those things, then it starts to head 0:08:33.020 --> 0:08:36.759 down that road and I keep thinking of First Corinthians. 0:08:37.370 --> 0:08:41.400 Uh, 8, where, where Paul says about eating food sacrifice idols. 0:08:41.410 --> 0:08:44.559 I think this, that that's a really relevant passage to this. 0:08:44.809 --> 0:08:48.050 And he says an idol has no real existence. There's 0:08:48.050 --> 0:08:51.360 no God but one. But he does talk about opening 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.249 yourselves up to demonic, uh, a presence and influence in 0:08:55.249 --> 0:08:59.009 an idolatrous way if you go about things in a 0:08:59.009 --> 0:09:01.480 way that's embracing that. So I guess it just boils 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.439 down to how much you're actually embracing these ideas behind it. 0:09:06.379 --> 0:09:09.300 You know, a while ago I was doing, um, I 0:09:09.300 --> 0:09:12.360 don't know, you, you guys have probably seen it on 0:09:12.470 --> 0:09:17.999 advertised on the internet, um, chair yoga, and you know. 0:09:19.439 --> 0:09:23.040 It's, it's for old people, Eric. No, no, no, Brian, 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.720 I'm getting the same stuff across my screen. We're in 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:32.079 the same. I think we're getting all the same stuff. Yes. So, 0:09:32.239 --> 0:09:35.720 so anyway, um, I, I did the chair yoga for, 0:09:35.809 --> 0:09:38.520 you know, mean you gotta pay like 30 bucks or 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.550 something for a month. So I, so I did it, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.199 and it, you know, it was totally benign. There was 0:09:43.199 --> 0:09:44.660 nothing even. 0:09:45.230 --> 0:09:48.829 Remotely spiritual about it really. I think they started off with, 0:09:49.030 --> 0:09:51.230 you know, some Hindu greeting, and then that was the 0:09:51.230 --> 0:09:54.170 end of it, but there was another um, 0:09:55.020 --> 0:09:56.699 I can't remember what the other one was, but there 0:09:56.699 --> 0:09:58.809 was another one you could click on and go to 0:09:58.809 --> 0:10:01.920 that one if you wanted to. And that one was weird, 0:10:02.009 --> 0:10:04.699 and it started, you know, it was just like some 0:10:04.699 --> 0:10:08.009 weird stuff, and I thought, OK, no, I'm not gonna 0:10:08.009 --> 0:10:11.939 do this one, because I'm not gonna repeat the, you know, 0:10:12.020 --> 0:10:14.840 they give you a little thing that you're supposed to repeat. So, 0:10:15.340 --> 0:10:17.379 so I do think, like you said, there is a 0:10:17.379 --> 0:10:18.160 place where 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.559 You know, you, you just wanna be careful. But I 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.559 also wanted to comment on, Eric, on what you said 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.280 about the disconnection. I mean, so many things in our 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.639 present world have ancient connections to paganism, like the days 0:10:31.639 --> 0:10:35.079 of our week. I mean, who knows that the days 0:10:35.078 --> 0:10:38.590 of the week are actually named after the Greek gods? 0:10:38.999 --> 0:10:43.679 That is what it is. So, anyway. And so does 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.319 the Christmas tree for that matter. Yeah, so. 0:10:48.290 --> 0:10:49.829 What Greek god is Wednesday? 0:10:50.949 --> 0:10:52.759 I know that's a character in the Addams Family, but, 0:10:52.879 --> 0:10:57.119 but it's Odin. Odin. Ah, OK, so we gotta, we 0:10:57.119 --> 0:11:00.600 gotta think of another name besides Wednesday because, you know, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:05.520 and then Thursday is Thursday, you know, Thursday. That's right, yep, yeah. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.720 All right, honey, thank you so much for calling us 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:16.998 today here on Pastor's Perspective at 888-564-6173 888-564-6173. 0:11:17.970 --> 0:11:20.520 Here's a couple of questions that were submitted online from 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.129 Robert and Duarte. His first one is, how do you 0:11:24.129 --> 0:11:27.790 know if the person you're talking to has a demonic spirit? 0:11:28.050 --> 0:11:30.369 Is there a way to test the spirit of the 0:11:30.369 --> 0:11:32.410 other person? Eric, what do you say? 0:11:36.689 --> 0:11:43.730 Occurrences of demons in the Bible manifest themselves through sometimes 0:11:43.730 --> 0:11:47.609 things we would just consider physical illnesses, but because we 0:11:47.610 --> 0:11:50.920 get an interpretation from God's perspective through the inspired word, 0:11:51.009 --> 0:11:54.770 we know there's a spiritual reality behind this. Now, everything 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.328 has a spiritual component to it. Nothing is purely physical 0:11:58.328 --> 0:12:01.439 or purely spiritual in this world. So, so we can 0:12:01.439 --> 0:12:02.389 always assume. 0:12:02.889 --> 0:12:06.629 A spiritual component to everything. We can always assume that 0:12:06.819 --> 0:12:11.089 there's spiritual warfare all the time and everything, but I 0:12:11.090 --> 0:12:15.569 think we need to be very careful in attributing the 0:12:15.569 --> 0:12:19.689 demonic or spiritual reasons behind things when it may just 0:12:19.689 --> 0:12:22.610 be a headache because you haven't had enough blood sugar 0:12:22.610 --> 0:12:25.889 boost today. So, so I, I think we need to, 0:12:25.929 --> 0:12:29.129 on one hand, never minimize the reality of the spiritual realm. 0:12:29.939 --> 0:12:32.020 And on the other hand, not see a demon behind 0:12:32.020 --> 0:12:36.378 every bush and, and attribute spiritual reasons behind everything. So 0:12:36.379 --> 0:12:40.210 it really takes great discernment to know what we're dealing with, 0:12:40.290 --> 0:12:43.110 and I think it's always appropriate to pray about a 0:12:43.110 --> 0:12:47.800 spiritual reality. I've had encounters with, I think there's no doubt, 0:12:47.939 --> 0:12:51.059 demonic realities that are having an effect on people, and 0:12:51.059 --> 0:12:55.020 I pray accordingly, and I've seen results from those prayers. 0:12:55.828 --> 0:12:58.389 Uh, but there are other times I, I, it could 0:12:58.389 --> 0:13:01.258 just be a, a depth of anger in someone's life, 0:13:01.389 --> 0:13:05.230 but there are times I, I just believe that there 0:13:05.230 --> 0:13:08.069 was a demonic presence that we prayed against and have 0:13:08.069 --> 0:13:11.470 done that, quite a few times. And so, so I 0:13:11.470 --> 0:13:14.350 think it takes discernment and leading of the spirit to 0:13:14.350 --> 0:13:19.059 know how to pray and deal with different situations in 0:13:19.059 --> 0:13:20.069 the lives of people. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.800 Brian Broderson, what do you say? 0:13:25.350 --> 0:13:28.800 Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, over, over the years 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.378 of pastoring, I 0:13:31.730 --> 0:13:34.350 encountered, you know, many people who 0:13:35.809 --> 0:13:40.368 Sometimes even thought they were demon possessed and sometimes even 0:13:40.369 --> 0:13:42.100 behaved in a way that you would. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.759 Sort of think like, wow, that could be demon possession. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.878 Most of the time, it was a person who had 0:13:49.879 --> 0:13:54.238 a history of mental illness and was not ah taking 0:13:54.239 --> 0:13:54.910 their medication. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.369 And when they were taking their medication faithfully, none of 0:13:59.369 --> 0:14:04.650 those symptoms existed. So I think in that case, you 0:14:04.650 --> 0:14:08.689 figured that, you know, the, the root of this behavior 0:14:08.689 --> 0:14:13.720 is the mental disorder, and not to say that the 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.079 devil can't poke his fingers into something like that and, 0:14:17.249 --> 0:14:20.860 you know, stir it up a little bit, um, but 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.879 over the years, I, you know, I've met people that 0:14:24.610 --> 0:14:27.699 The funny thing is I've met people that were, I think, demonized, 0:14:27.780 --> 0:14:29.540 but not in the way that you would think, not 0:14:29.540 --> 0:14:31.819 in like sort of the exorcist way, like, you know, 0:14:31.900 --> 0:14:36.020 their head was spinning around or whatever, but they're more 0:14:36.020 --> 0:14:41.579 diabolical in the sense of their, their deception and their 0:14:41.579 --> 0:14:42.258 um 0:14:43.020 --> 0:14:46.900 You know, what, what's the word I'm looking for, just, ah, there's, 0:14:47.020 --> 0:14:51.900 there's subtle evil, ah, but very, very deeply committed to 0:14:51.900 --> 0:14:57.179 this particular evil, and I think sometimes, ah, we don't 0:14:57.179 --> 0:15:01.139 realize that that also can be a manifestation of the 0:15:01.139 --> 0:15:03.900 devil's work in somebody's lives. You, you guys probably saw 0:15:03.900 --> 0:15:06.480 that thing a couple of weeks ago on the flight 0:15:07.329 --> 0:15:08.319 where the guy, 0:15:08.749 --> 0:15:12.639 Um, was sitting next to this guy Jonathan Kahn, and 0:15:12.639 --> 0:15:15.759 they were having a conversation, and somehow, I guess, you know, 0:15:15.829 --> 0:15:17.910 he started sharing the gospel and the guy, you know, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.749 flipped out and saw the pictures of him duct taped 0:15:20.749 --> 0:15:23.840 to his seat and everything. Well, I don't know if 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.949 you saw the follow-up, but they brought the guy in and, 0:15:27.030 --> 0:15:29.400 you know, he was arraigned, I guess, because, of course, 0:15:29.439 --> 0:15:32.639 that was a crime, and they asked him about it 0:15:32.639 --> 0:15:34.860 and he had no recollection of it whatsoever. Mm. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:40.280 Wow. Which I thought was really interesting and it was 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.319 kind of centered around, he just lost his mind when 0:15:43.319 --> 0:15:47.840 uh Jonathan Kahn started talking to him about Jesus, and 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:54.100 he started blaspheming, but he said he absolutely has no recollection. Wow. 0:15:55.410 --> 0:15:58.199 Yeah, that was a story that broke a few weeks ago. 0:15:58.249 --> 0:15:59.999 You guys can find it online. Just do a search 0:15:59.999 --> 0:16:03.809 for Jonathan Kahn, C A H N is how you 0:16:03.809 --> 0:16:06.929 spell it. Jonathan Kahn airplane incident, that would help you 0:16:06.929 --> 0:16:09.129 find it a little bit faster, but yeah, and the 0:16:09.129 --> 0:16:13.609 New Testament, there are three terms it uses demonized, which 0:16:13.610 --> 0:16:17.369 is what we usually would call demon possession, but it 0:16:17.369 --> 0:16:19.829 also talks about having an unclean spirit. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:26.050 And, and so, uh, depending on how the Bible's coming 0:16:26.050 --> 0:16:29.800 at it, sometimes it'll talk about an influence, an unclean 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:35.170 spirit to be demonized in that way, um, but demon 0:16:35.170 --> 0:16:38.090 possession is the overtaking in a way where I think 0:16:38.090 --> 0:16:40.809 you don't remember it, where it really is the taking 0:16:40.809 --> 0:16:43.970 over of someone, not to do something they have no 0:16:43.970 --> 0:16:46.949 capacity for in themselves, but. 0:16:47.509 --> 0:16:50.040 But to, to really have power in that way, the 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.600 Holy Spirit is intended to have sway in our lives 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.550 in a dominant way where he's carrying us along, not 0:16:57.550 --> 0:17:01.439 in the absence of us, but in a, a possessing 0:17:01.439 --> 0:17:04.399 kind of way where, where he is the one controlling us, 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.530 you know, I I'm thinking of. 0:17:06.300 --> 0:17:10.619 The Bible saying don't, don't be taken over by, for instance, alcohol. 0:17:11.369 --> 0:17:14.229 Uh, but be taken over by the spirit, and so 0:17:14.530 --> 0:17:16.689 I think, I think that's what we're talking about. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.320 You know, I think, I think too, um, but just 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.550 thinking of the, the different, even in the New Testament, 0:17:24.599 --> 0:17:27.859 you know, you have, ah, in Gadera, you have the 0:17:27.859 --> 0:17:31.459 severely possessed man, you know, chained and breaks the chains and, 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.439 you know, very fearsome and, and so forth. But then 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:39.660 in Acts 16, you have the young girl in Philippi, 0:17:39.839 --> 0:17:42.810 who's following the apostles around and she's just saying, 0:17:43.270 --> 0:17:46.469 Hey, these are the servants of the Most High God, 0:17:46.790 --> 0:17:50.330 and yet Paul discerns that she has, you know, this 0:17:50.330 --> 0:17:54.749 Python spirit, this evil spirit, so yeah, it's, it's interesting. 0:17:56.719 --> 0:18:00.509 Here is Robert's other question. It's from Deuteronomy chapter 11, 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.339 verses 26 through 28. Let me read the passage really quick. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.580 This is the Lord speaking. See, I am setting before 0:18:07.580 --> 0:18:10.439 you today a blessing and a curse. The blessing if 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.790 you obey the commands of the Lord your God that 0:18:12.790 --> 0:18:15.430 I am giving you today. The curse if you disobey 0:18:15.430 --> 0:18:17.919 the commands of the Lord your God and turn from 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.520 the way that I command you today by following other 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.999 gods which you have not known. So Robert's question is, 0:18:25.550 --> 0:18:29.709 Is the house of Israel still under this curse in 0:18:29.709 --> 0:18:33.869 Deuteronomy 11:26-28? Brian, what do you think? 0:18:37.180 --> 0:18:37.759 Well, 0:18:38.469 --> 0:18:43.429 I, I don't know that it's under that specific, um, curse, 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:49.759 but obviously because of the national rejection of the Messiah, 0:18:50.349 --> 0:18:52.709 they have been 0:18:53.430 --> 0:18:57.950 Um, set aside by God as a as a favored nation, 0:18:58.489 --> 0:19:01.709 and Romans 11, you know, makes that clear. 0:19:02.759 --> 0:19:05.359 And it also makes clear that there is a, a 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.759 time of restoration that's coming to them as well, so I, 0:19:08.839 --> 0:19:11.399 I don't know that it would fit exactly with the 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.639 Deuteronomy passage. I think the Deuteronomy passage was in effect 0:19:15.638 --> 0:19:21.400 throughout their, their history leading up to the time of Jesus, 0:19:21.479 --> 0:19:24.800 but um I don't think it's necessarily in effect afterward. 0:19:24.839 --> 0:19:27.040 But that's just my opinion about it. Eric might have 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:28.200 a different take on it. 0:19:29.430 --> 0:19:32.950 No, I'm, I'm in agreement with that. I mean, now 0:19:32.950 --> 0:19:35.389 this is one of those areas, the, the place of 0:19:35.388 --> 0:19:40.820 Israel in God's current plans, past plans, future plans. There's 0:19:40.820 --> 0:19:45.249 some difference among Bible believing Christians on exactly what this is. 0:19:45.550 --> 0:19:48.708 I hold to a view that still has a future 0:19:48.709 --> 0:19:51.149 in God's plan for ethnic Israel, Romans. 0:19:51.940 --> 0:19:56.060 Romans, that the Romans passage gets us there where he's 0:19:56.060 --> 0:20:01.660 promises are irrevocable and so I think those basic principles 0:20:01.660 --> 0:20:04.009 of when, when you're faithful to God, there's blessing that 0:20:04.009 --> 0:20:07.180 comes with that, and when you're unfaithful, there's curse that 0:20:07.180 --> 0:20:11.780 comes with that applied to ancient Israel and the judgments 0:20:11.780 --> 0:20:12.680 that came upon her. 0:20:14.030 --> 0:20:19.580 And still have implications, but it's still true in general 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:23.159 as well for, for everyone. It's not just Israel that 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.670 basic idea applies to that when you walk in God's ways, 0:20:26.719 --> 0:20:29.589 there's blessing that comes with that, and when you don't, 0:20:29.759 --> 0:20:32.070 there's curse that comes with it. And so, you know, 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:36.550 we're grafted into the covenant promises, so those apply to 0:20:36.550 --> 0:20:40.359 all of God's people as well. Yeah, I agree, yeah. 0:20:41.020 --> 0:20:43.189 Robert, thank you so much for sending in your questions 0:20:43.190 --> 0:20:49.748 through the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com. 888-564-6173 is the 0:20:49.749 --> 0:20:52.650 number to call today. We're gonna be here until 4 o'clock. 0:20:52.910 --> 0:20:56.290 That's the same number Silas called. He's in California listening 0:20:56.290 --> 0:21:03.070 on KWave 888-564-6173. Hey, Silas, what's your question for us today? 0:21:05.629 --> 0:21:10.550 Oh, you are, OK. Yeah, I'm, I'm asking why your 0:21:10.550 --> 0:21:15.060 opinion on why Jesus had to wait until he started 0:21:15.060 --> 0:21:18.409 his ministry or baptized by John the Baptist. 0:21:19.330 --> 0:21:23.099 And he was the son of God. He could have 0:21:23.099 --> 0:21:27.800 raised or prevented his dad Joseph from dying. 0:21:28.879 --> 0:21:33.200 So, I just want your opinion as to why he 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.900 had to wait that long time. 0:21:36.749 --> 0:21:40.530 And yet he had the power, divine powers he could use. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.649 OK, Eric, what do you say? Why did Jesus wait 0:21:44.650 --> 0:21:47.089 so long to be baptized? I, I just think that's 0:21:47.089 --> 0:21:51.089 a great question. So it is amazing that Jesus spent 0:21:51.089 --> 0:21:54.369 the 1st 30 years of his life in relative obscurity 0:21:54.369 --> 0:21:55.869 in a backwater village. 0:21:56.869 --> 0:22:00.349 Where the people in his own hometown were offended at 0:22:00.349 --> 0:22:03.589 him when he finally came out as the Messiah because 0:22:03.589 --> 0:22:05.770 of the normalcy of his life. 0:22:06.589 --> 0:22:10.950 And I think that's a great example for us that 0:22:10.950 --> 0:22:17.540 complete faithfulness to God doesn't look like really big dramatic things. 0:22:17.670 --> 0:22:20.949 It's being faithful to what God calls you to. So 0:22:20.950 --> 0:22:23.150 we're told Jesus grew in wisdom and in stature and 0:22:23.150 --> 0:22:25.389 pray with God and man. Those, that's, those are the 0:22:25.388 --> 0:22:29.550 summary statements two times for those 30 years, which meant. 0:22:30.030 --> 0:22:32.540 He obeyed God. He became a man of the word. 0:22:32.589 --> 0:22:35.550 He was committed to fellowship. He was committed to prayer. 0:22:35.749 --> 0:22:37.989 He took care of his family and his mom when 0:22:37.989 --> 0:22:40.540 his dad died. He took over the family business and, 0:22:40.830 --> 0:22:45.219 and did what a faithful man does without any impressive 0:22:45.219 --> 0:22:48.988 external evidence for that. And then the 3 years of 0:22:48.989 --> 0:22:53.229 his public ministry are really a continuation of those 1st 0:22:53.229 --> 0:22:54.209 30 years. 0:22:54.900 --> 0:22:58.060 Of relative normalcy because that's what most of our lives 0:22:58.060 --> 0:23:00.219 look like. I'm reading a book by Mike Horton right 0:23:00.219 --> 0:23:04.419 now called Ordinary, and it's such an important thing to 0:23:04.420 --> 0:23:06.619 realize that most of the Christian life, although it has 0:23:06.619 --> 0:23:07.859 dramatic moments. 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:12.040 At times is mostly changing diapers, sitting in traffic, going 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:16.160 to work, being faithful in the little things. And, and 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:19.739 I think the American church in particular has really lost 0:23:19.739 --> 0:23:22.680 the sense of that in many ways where big superficial 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.940 impressive displays are what we test a work of God 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.800 rather than simple faithfulness. You know what I stopped saying 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:30.739 quite a while ago? 0:23:31.570 --> 0:23:35.030 Things like, oh, be faithful working with those middle schoolers 0:23:35.030 --> 0:23:37.540 because the next Billy Graham may be there. You know what? 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.790 Probably not. And is that really what you're shooting for, 0:23:41.070 --> 0:23:44.150 or are you're shooting for faithful people wherever they are, 0:23:44.229 --> 0:23:47.349 wherever God has them? Mm, Brian. 0:23:48.638 --> 0:23:51.440 No, that's so good. I wouldn't even add a word 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.580 to that, and I, I really like that order, changing diapers, 0:23:54.709 --> 0:23:58.239 sitting in traffic, um, you know, it's kind of my 0:23:58.239 --> 0:24:01.939 life right now, and um I'm trying to be faithful. 0:24:03.629 --> 0:24:05.389 Silos, what do you think of the answer? 0:24:08.388 --> 0:24:11.679 10. What do you think of the answers that we're given? 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:18.530 Yeah, yeah, I see. He had to live an ordinary 0:24:18.530 --> 0:24:20.930 human being life. 0:24:21.660 --> 0:24:27.419 Uh, before he really exercised his divine sonship. 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:33.680 Authority of healing and raising the dead and doing all 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.040 that he did in his ministry for three years. It's 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:38.300 all going to be closed. 0:24:40.910 --> 0:24:44.170 Yeah, all right. Uh, Silas, thank you so much for 0:24:44.170 --> 0:24:49.629 calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective at 888-564-6173. Here's 0:24:49.629 --> 0:24:52.709 another question that was submitted online through the Pastor's Perspective 0:24:52.709 --> 0:24:56.560 Facebook page on Kwave.com. I'm sorry, I'm mixing the two up. 0:24:56.790 --> 0:25:01.129 The Pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com. It is from Flor, 0:25:01.388 --> 0:25:03.869 who says, hello, I'm currently reading Matthew. 0:25:04.300 --> 0:25:06.660 And I'm at the part where Jesus was standing with 0:25:06.660 --> 0:25:11.020 Moses and Elias. I think she means Elijah unless Elias 0:25:11.020 --> 0:25:14.280 is another name for Elijah. Can you explain what it is, OK. 0:25:14.580 --> 0:25:17.459 Can you explain what's happening and does this mean some 0:25:17.459 --> 0:25:20.458 people are already in heaven? I thought we had to 0:25:20.459 --> 0:25:23.379 wait for Jesus to come back. Brian, what say you? 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.229 Uh, first of all, Elias is the King James Version, 0:25:28.349 --> 0:25:31.719 it translates, uh, what, you know, we normally say Elijah 0:25:31.719 --> 0:25:35.238 as Elias. Just, that's for you, Brian Perez. Thank you. 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.619 I haven't read King James in a very long time, so, 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.070 although I memorized most of my Bible verses in King James, 0:25:41.150 --> 0:25:43.839 but right, um. 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:49.339 Yes, uh, yeah, um, we don't have to wait for 0:25:49.339 --> 0:25:53.208 Jesus to return when people, um, 0:25:54.150 --> 0:25:56.989 Die today, they go to be with the Lord, to 0:25:56.989 --> 0:25:58.669 be absent from the body is to be present with 0:25:58.670 --> 0:26:02.389 the Lord. Now, there is some difference of opinion about 0:26:02.388 --> 0:26:07.229 Old Testament saints, like, when they died, like Moses and Elijah, 0:26:07.270 --> 0:26:12.489 for example, before Jesus went to the cross and rose again, ah, 0:26:12.739 --> 0:26:14.989 did Old Testament saints go to heaven or did they 0:26:14.989 --> 0:26:20.550 go to, ah, a different place, ah, Paradise, um, the 0:26:20.550 --> 0:26:21.888 bosom of Abraham. 0:26:22.330 --> 0:26:25.968 So there there's different opinions on that. Um, in some way, 0:26:26.129 --> 0:26:27.649 shape or form, they went to be with the Lord 0:26:27.650 --> 0:26:31.869 and then had, of course, in this particular case, ah, 0:26:32.150 --> 0:26:37.330 were obviously sent by God to speak with Jesus about 0:26:37.330 --> 0:26:43.249 his upcoming sacrifice. Um, but yeah, they, and Elijah, of course, went, 0:26:43.729 --> 0:26:45.859 we know that Elijah was taken up in a, 0:26:46.109 --> 0:26:49.509 In a fiery chariot, uh, into heaven, it doesn't tell 0:26:49.509 --> 0:26:52.270 us where he actually, uh, you know, ended up in 0:26:52.270 --> 0:26:55.270 the fiery chariot, but we know that he was taken 0:26:55.270 --> 0:26:56.430 up in a whirlwind, so. 0:26:57.489 --> 0:27:02.200 Yeah, Eleanor sent in a similar question. She's in Juneau, Alaska, 0:27:02.219 --> 0:27:04.820 listening on Kwave.com, and she asks, where do we go 0:27:04.820 --> 0:27:08.660 after we die? Is it true our spirit or soul 0:27:08.660 --> 0:27:10.619 goes to be with Jesus and we go into a 0:27:10.619 --> 0:27:14.599 deep sleep until Jesus returns, even if we are saved 0:27:14.599 --> 0:27:16.540 or not saved. What do you say, Eric? 0:27:17.989 --> 0:27:20.020 Um, I mean, the Bible says to be absent from 0:27:20.020 --> 0:27:22.430 the body is to be present with the Lord. Jesus 0:27:22.430 --> 0:27:24.670 tells the thief on the cross this very day you'll 0:27:24.670 --> 0:27:27.749 be with me in paradise. So I think that when 0:27:27.749 --> 0:27:31.109 we die, those of us who've trusted Christ are in 0:27:31.109 --> 0:27:34.139 the presence of the Lord spiritually. We do await the 0:27:34.138 --> 0:27:37.349 future resurrection, and that's something I think a lot of 0:27:37.349 --> 0:27:40.708 Christians don't realize that when the trumpet sounds, the dead 0:27:40.709 --> 0:27:43.229 in Christ will rise, and we will be joined to 0:27:43.229 --> 0:27:45.270 meet with them in the air, those of us who 0:27:45.270 --> 0:27:46.429 haven't died, and so. 0:27:46.810 --> 0:27:50.530 So there is a future resurrection where the tragic separation 0:27:50.530 --> 0:27:54.208 of body and soul in death is done away with 0:27:54.209 --> 0:27:57.008 what we what we call the intermediate state now, and 0:27:57.009 --> 0:27:59.650 we long for the day of resurrection when the dead 0:27:59.650 --> 0:28:02.889 in Christ will rise. It's just awesome to think that 0:28:02.888 --> 0:28:04.910 you and I are going to get our resurrection bodies 0:28:04.910 --> 0:28:05.810 with King David. 0:28:06.599 --> 0:28:10.050 And with the apostle Paul, it's just an awesome unifying 0:28:10.050 --> 0:28:13.589 reality that we look forward to. So it's not technically 0:28:13.589 --> 0:28:16.570 accurate to say your grandmother is dancing in heaven in 0:28:16.570 --> 0:28:21.570 her new body yet, although that day is coming. And 0:28:21.570 --> 0:28:25.219 so we have an appearance of Elijah and 0:28:25.950 --> 0:28:29.869 Uh, Moses with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, which 0:28:29.869 --> 0:28:33.270 is as much for the disciples as anybody. I, I 0:28:33.270 --> 0:28:36.170 think it's important to realize that Moses represents the law 0:28:36.349 --> 0:28:42.389 and Elijah represents the prophetic word that Jesus perfectly fulfills 0:28:42.389 --> 0:28:44.509 and completes in that sense. 0:28:44.900 --> 0:28:49.129 And so he fulfills the ministry of Moses and Elijah 0:28:49.129 --> 0:28:52.889 in those big major ways as the prophet and the 0:28:52.889 --> 0:28:55.759 priest and the king that we need him to be. 0:28:56.099 --> 0:29:00.050 And so spiritual beings, the, the, the current state of 0:29:00.050 --> 0:29:01.520 Elijah having been 0:29:02.170 --> 0:29:04.770 Taken away like Enoch, the only two we know of 0:29:04.770 --> 0:29:08.619 that didn't seem to die in the conventional way. Well, whether, 0:29:08.889 --> 0:29:11.690 whether he died or was just taken away and has 0:29:11.690 --> 0:29:15.810 a body that's resurrected, I, I don't know, but spiritual 0:29:15.810 --> 0:29:24.410 beings can be made tangibly sensory uh tangible by created means. 0:29:24.530 --> 0:29:25.989 Angels make themselves. 0:29:26.910 --> 0:29:32.469 Um, sensible, uh, able to be seen and heard and experienced, 0:29:32.830 --> 0:29:35.759 and so, uh, that's what's going on there. God creates 0:29:35.759 --> 0:29:38.920 an ability for the disciples to see Moses and Elijah 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.040 with Jesus as a, as an image of the fulfillment 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:43.499 of their ministry in Christ. 0:29:44.139 --> 0:29:46.999 Flor and Eleanor, thank you so much for sending in 0:29:46.999 --> 0:29:52.330 your questions through the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com. We've 0:29:52.330 --> 0:29:54.609 got to take a break. Jay and Santa Monica, you'll 0:29:54.609 --> 0:29:58.830 be up first when we return, 888-564-6173. 0:30:37.119 --> 0:30:43.219 We are back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number 0:30:43.219 --> 0:30:48.959 to call. 888-564-6173. If you're watching on Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, 0:30:49.070 --> 0:30:51.190 we've got the number right there on the bottom of 0:30:51.190 --> 0:30:54.520 your screen. So call in. We'd love to have you participate. 0:30:54.629 --> 0:30:57.540 Don't just sit in the bleachers. Call in and ask 0:30:57.540 --> 0:31:01.119 your question. We've got Eric Thomas answering today. He's one 0:31:01.119 --> 0:31:02.479 of the professors at the Talbot. 0:31:02.629 --> 0:31:06.800 School of Theology at Viola University and Brian Broderson, Pastor 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:10.229 Emeritus at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. Oh, also forgot to 0:31:10.229 --> 0:31:13.609 mention that uh Eric is a teaching pastor at Grace 0:31:13.609 --> 0:31:21.229 EV Free Church in Lamerada. 888-564-6173. Let's go to Santa Monica. 0:31:21.379 --> 0:31:25.070 Here is Jay listening on the KWave app. Hey there, Jay, 0:31:25.180 --> 0:31:28.229 thanks for downloading the app and thanks for calling in today. 0:31:29.530 --> 0:31:31.920 Yeah, for sure. Thank you guys for taking my call. 0:31:32.139 --> 0:31:32.629 You bet. 0:31:34.330 --> 0:31:36.879 All right, so, uh, the other day I was working 0:31:37.180 --> 0:31:39.859 in Beverly Hills and I'm driving by. 0:31:40.859 --> 0:31:43.099 And I noticed that people were dressed up and a 0:31:43.099 --> 0:31:44.758 lot of people walking the streets. So 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.200 I began to think like, why is there so many 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.080 people out here dressed so nice? And then I passed 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.550 the temple and I'm like, oh wait, it's a holiday today. 0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:57.339 So I go to my location with a potential client 0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.800 and asked if they were there and the guy was like, no, he's, 0:32:00.879 --> 0:32:03.700 he's off for the holiday. And, um, so I was like, OK. 0:32:04.239 --> 0:32:05.540 So the next day I 0:32:06.420 --> 0:32:09.050 Meet the guy and, um, I said, oh, how was 0:32:09.050 --> 0:32:11.379 your holiday? He's like, oh, it's just a, it's a 0:32:11.379 --> 0:32:13.459 good excuse to have good food and dress up nice 0:32:13.459 --> 0:32:15.089 and have the day off. And I was like, oh, OK. 0:32:15.180 --> 0:32:18.530 So he's like a secular Israeli or something. And so 0:32:18.530 --> 0:32:22.020 I said, uh, oh, what's your nationality? All Moroccan and Israeli. 0:32:22.099 --> 0:32:22.820 I was like, all right. 0:32:23.660 --> 0:32:26.739 Um, so it got me thinking after I, I met 0:32:26.739 --> 0:32:31.129 with him, just like, who started, um, the, 0:32:32.109 --> 0:32:36.910 The new way of how Jews are atoned when it 0:32:36.910 --> 0:32:37.109 comes 0:32:37.109 --> 0:32:37.270 to 0:32:37.270 --> 0:32:37.499 Yom 0:32:37.499 --> 0:32:37.989 Kippur. 0:32:38.070 --> 0:32:38.229 Like, 0:32:38.430 --> 0:32:38.670 what was 0:32:38.670 --> 0:32:39.349 the rabbi's 0:32:39.349 --> 0:32:39.589 name? 0:32:39.660 --> 0:32:39.830 What 0:32:39.830 --> 0:32:40.229 year was 0:32:40.229 --> 0:32:41.249 that? And then 0:32:41.629 --> 0:32:43.609 how did they justify it not being, 0:32:43.749 --> 0:32:43.989 it 0:32:43.989 --> 0:32:44.229 being 0:32:44.229 --> 0:32:46.150 no more of a blood sacrifice, 0:32:46.270 --> 0:32:47.109 but it's just a thing 0:32:47.109 --> 0:32:47.550 of like 0:32:47.550 --> 0:32:50.150 reflection. Hmm, Brian, do you know? 0:32:52.339 --> 0:32:55.859 Well, it started, you know, centuries and centuries ago in 0:32:55.859 --> 0:32:56.599 the early 0:32:57.859 --> 0:33:02.020 Early period, even, even by the time of Jesus, um, 0:33:02.379 --> 0:33:08.219 among the rabbinical thinkers, the sacrificial system was, 0:33:09.050 --> 0:33:11.849 You know, it's part of the ritual and ceremony, but it, 0:33:12.810 --> 0:33:15.900 but the, uh, the rabbis thought that you could be 0:33:15.900 --> 0:33:20.320 justified through good works. Now, when the temple was destroyed, 0:33:20.330 --> 0:33:23.410 it was obvious that you could no longer offer sacrifices. 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:29.430 So this is when the idea really took root that, um, 0:33:30.099 --> 0:33:33.050 it's basically your keeping of the law that's going to 0:33:33.050 --> 0:33:36.580 either justify you or your failure to keep the law is, 0:33:36.609 --> 0:33:37.950 is going to condemn you. 0:33:38.430 --> 0:33:43.859 And so even today with Yom Kippur, which was the holiday, 0:33:44.190 --> 0:33:47.988 the Day of Atonement, there is leading up to the 0:33:47.989 --> 0:33:51.989 Day of Atonement, there is this time of, of confession, 0:33:52.150 --> 0:33:57.349 sort of repentance, um, looking back over the year, kind 0:33:57.349 --> 0:34:00.310 of weighing out your good deeds, seeing, you know, do 0:34:00.310 --> 0:34:01.989 your good deeds outweigh your bad. 0:34:02.410 --> 0:34:07.488 actions and so forth. So this is rooted way, way 0:34:07.489 --> 0:34:12.040 back in Jewish tradition, but really began, like I said, 0:34:12.089 --> 0:34:14.770 to take root after the destruction of the temple in 0:34:14.770 --> 0:34:18.748 70 AD and then developed further over the centuries. 0:34:19.630 --> 0:34:21.580 What do you think, Jay, before we go to Eric? 0:34:23.189 --> 0:34:25.229 Yeah, it was a more collective group, basically. 0:34:26.049 --> 0:34:26.688 Decision 0:34:28.870 --> 0:34:31.509 Ah yes, it was, yeah, it's certainly, no, it wasn't, 0:34:31.620 --> 0:34:34.070 it wasn't one man. It was, uh, I mean, there 0:34:34.070 --> 0:34:38.310 were ancient rabbis that had sway over people. They were 0:34:38.310 --> 0:34:42.988 seen as very, um, you know, godly men, and, and 0:34:42.989 --> 0:34:47.509 therefore their words were, were ones that were really taken 0:34:47.509 --> 0:34:52.959 to heart. But, but among, uh, even modern Jews today, um, 0:34:53.149 --> 0:34:56.560 it's kind of a consensus as to what 0:34:56.928 --> 0:35:02.369 The position is that they take on, on various things. Eric, 0:35:02.768 --> 0:35:03.238 got you. 0:35:04.128 --> 0:35:07.627 Right, so the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, literally mean 0:35:07.628 --> 0:35:12.808 the Day of Atonement Kippur is instituted in the Old Covenant, 0:35:12.928 --> 0:35:15.769 Leviticus 16, the, the priest goes into the, the high 0:35:15.768 --> 0:35:18.167 priest goes in the holy of holies. He offers sacrifice 0:35:18.168 --> 0:35:22.549 that one day a year, and over time these things become. 0:35:23.580 --> 0:35:26.899 Part of tradition in a ways that in ways that 0:35:26.899 --> 0:35:31.520 can get disconnected from the intentional biblical purpose of them, 0:35:31.820 --> 0:35:34.399 but it's very similar in Christianity as well. You get 0:35:34.939 --> 0:35:40.169 liberal versions of Christianity where people call themselves Christians, they, it, 0:35:40.219 --> 0:35:43.540 it becomes a very just cultural thing rather than something 0:35:43.540 --> 0:35:46.880 connected to the biblical teaching of it. So reform Judaism 0:35:47.419 --> 0:35:50.498 very often is a more liberal version where they don't 0:35:50.498 --> 0:35:51.560 necessarily believe. 0:35:52.030 --> 0:35:55.350 The things in the Bible are literal, similar to liberal Christianity, 0:35:55.390 --> 0:35:59.530 and so you just get different traditions and streams where 0:35:59.748 --> 0:36:02.908 you hang on to the cultural aspects of it, but 0:36:02.909 --> 0:36:05.749 not the theological and biblical aspects of it. So you 0:36:05.748 --> 0:36:10.390 can get very conservative Judaism, Hasidic Judaism, and you can 0:36:10.390 --> 0:36:13.590 get very liberal Judaism, but that's true in every religion. 0:36:13.709 --> 0:36:14.209 You get. 0:36:14.689 --> 0:36:20.409 Uh, Muslims who you'd consider don't keep, uh, the Koran's laws, 0:36:20.489 --> 0:36:23.229 but you get ones that are, are very committed to it. So, 0:36:23.770 --> 0:36:28.719 it all depends which version of that religion you're talking to, 0:36:29.050 --> 0:36:31.759 and you obviously were talking to a guy who was 0:36:31.770 --> 0:36:34.610 buying into the more cultural version of it rather than 0:36:34.610 --> 0:36:36.850 the biblical and theological version of it. 0:36:38.060 --> 0:36:38.570 Mhm. 0:36:39.770 --> 0:36:43.409 All right, Jay, does this help you? Yeah, I, I, I, yeah, definitely. 0:36:43.489 --> 0:36:46.049 I got one follow-up question based on what he just 0:36:46.050 --> 0:36:49.729 said that is there anybody that holds to, like, you know, 0:36:49.810 --> 0:36:51.520 we need to get back to being able to do 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:55.549 sacrifices and so realistically, we're just waiting for that day 0:36:55.550 --> 0:36:57.390 where we can sacrifice again. 0:36:58.219 --> 0:36:58.620 Eric 0:36:59.489 --> 0:37:03.890 Oh yeah, when I, I've been in, in Israel, and 0:37:03.890 --> 0:37:07.649 there are, there are Jews who have, have bred the 0:37:07.649 --> 0:37:10.810 red heifer that had fallen out of existence that you 0:37:10.810 --> 0:37:15.130 need to keep the, the ritual sacrifices, and they've made 0:37:15.130 --> 0:37:18.649 all of the temple furniture, and sometimes you'll hear about 0:37:18.649 --> 0:37:22.370 a riot happening on the Day of Atonement, and it's 0:37:22.370 --> 0:37:28.949 because those committed conservative Jews symbolically are bringing those temple. 0:37:29.380 --> 0:37:33.658 Objects toward the Temple Mount where there's a mosque on 0:37:33.659 --> 0:37:36.380 top of it now, and that usually leads to a 0:37:36.380 --> 0:37:39.419 riot of some kind, but, but they will say there's 0:37:39.419 --> 0:37:44.340 coming a day when temple worship and sacrifice will be restored, and, 0:37:44.489 --> 0:37:47.069 and we're just showing you that we intend to do that. 0:37:47.179 --> 0:37:50.239 So yeah, there are, there are Jews and, and, and 0:37:50.620 --> 0:37:55.669 depending on how Christians interpret the restoration of God's kingdom. 0:37:56.050 --> 0:38:01.199 I believe that that those things will be reinstituted as well. But, 0:38:01.248 --> 0:38:05.850 but even with those Jews, it's not that they feel like, oh, 0:38:06.009 --> 0:38:09.729 you know, we, our, our sins can't be forgiven and 0:38:09.729 --> 0:38:14.370 we're in sin until we can get this reestablished. It's 0:38:14.370 --> 0:38:18.248 more of a re-establishing of the institution as kind of 0:38:18.248 --> 0:38:19.029 a statement. 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:23.659 That, you know, Israel is back. This is our history. 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:30.719 This is our tradition fully restored, and for, for some, 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.600 like Eric, I've been to Israel many times, it's, it's 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:35.939 really interesting the difference of opinions among 0:38:36.919 --> 0:38:39.919 You know, Israeli Jews, when it comes to the stuff 0:38:39.919 --> 0:38:42.399 that is, and I know some Israeli Jews that are 0:38:42.399 --> 0:38:45.590 very much Orthodox, but they think the Temple Institute people 0:38:45.590 --> 0:38:48.909 are nuts. They think, oh, these crazy people, you know, they're, 0:38:49.679 --> 0:38:53.739 you know, trying to talk about a rebuilt temple. So 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:59.429 there's a ton of variation in the thinking of of 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.040 Israelis and of course of Jews in general. 0:39:04.270 --> 0:39:09.449 Jay, thanks so much for your phone call. 888-564-6173 is 0:39:09.449 --> 0:39:12.979 the number, and now we're gonna go to Danny in California. 0:39:13.419 --> 0:39:16.140 What is your question here on Pastor's Perspective? 0:39:17.350 --> 0:39:19.870 Hi, my question is, how do you know if you're 0:39:19.870 --> 0:39:24.030 truly safe compared to just soothing your conscience? Hm, why 0:39:24.030 --> 0:39:25.270 do you ask this question, Danny? 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.238 I feel like sometimes I've, I grew up in the church, 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.840 so I have a hard time seeing if I'm just 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.239 growing up because my parents grew up with me with having, 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.270 you know, good morals or if I'm being genuine in, 0:39:37.340 --> 0:39:38.100 in my walk. 0:39:39.229 --> 0:39:40.149 OK, Brian. 0:39:42.169 --> 0:39:45.819 Um, well, let me just ask you this. Do you 0:39:45.820 --> 0:39:46.919 believe that 0:39:47.620 --> 0:39:50.179 Um, Jesus is the Son of God and that He 0:39:50.179 --> 0:39:53.100 died for your sins and that he rose again. 0:39:54.399 --> 0:39:54.790 Yes. 0:39:56.070 --> 0:39:59.790 OK. And have you asked him to, you know, forgive 0:39:59.790 --> 0:40:03.390 your sins and committed your life to him as your Lord? 0:40:05.169 --> 0:40:08.029 I have just struggling with committing. 0:40:08.790 --> 0:40:09.350 OK. 0:40:10.179 --> 0:40:14.419 Well, listen, that, that's what to be a Christian is 0:40:14.419 --> 0:40:17.739 to believe in Jesus, and to believe in the biblical Jesus, 0:40:17.820 --> 0:40:21.219 to believe in the Jesus who did die, and rose 0:40:21.219 --> 0:40:23.540 again and he did die, um. 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.409 As an atoning sacrifice for our sin. 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:31.570 If you believe that, then you are a Christian. 0:40:32.300 --> 0:40:39.020 And your commitment level, although we're all, you know, working toward, uh, 0:40:39.149 --> 0:40:43.310 probably serious Christians are all working toward a deeper level 0:40:43.310 --> 0:40:44.270 of commitment. 0:40:44.669 --> 0:40:50.759 It's not our level of commitment that determines whether we're 0:40:50.759 --> 0:40:54.600 Christians or not. It's the genuineness of our belief that 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:59.509 Jesus is who he said he is. And, um, I think, 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:01.759 you know, I've been a Christian for many, many, many, 0:41:01.860 --> 0:41:05.999 many years now, and could I be more committed to 0:41:05.998 --> 0:41:09.179 the Lord? Yeah, I, I'm sure I can, and I, 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:12.679 I want to keep pursuing that, but it's not that 0:41:12.679 --> 0:41:13.739 I have some. 0:41:14.149 --> 0:41:17.049 A level of commitment that I have to attain before 0:41:17.350 --> 0:41:21.229 I can finally feel like, you know, I really am 0:41:21.229 --> 0:41:24.149 a Christian now. No, I'm really a Christian once I 0:41:24.149 --> 0:41:27.069 believe in Jesus and I receive Him, and then he 0:41:27.070 --> 0:41:31.429 comes into my life. And so it just sounds a 0:41:31.429 --> 0:41:32.489 little bit like. 0:41:33.399 --> 0:41:37.679 There's a little bit of confusion, and it's not on um. 0:41:38.439 --> 0:41:43.040 Common that many Christians, even though we know we're saved 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.239 by grace, even though we know that it's about faith 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:49.020 in Jesus, we get easily kind of tripped up into 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.939 sort of a works thing and. 0:41:53.330 --> 0:41:55.929 Start to wonder at times, you know, am I really 0:41:55.929 --> 0:41:59.729 saved because, you know, is this a real commitment and 0:41:59.729 --> 0:42:00.489 so forth, so. 0:42:01.699 --> 0:42:04.580 I just want to encourage you that I, from everything 0:42:04.580 --> 0:42:05.399 you just said. 0:42:06.159 --> 0:42:08.439 Um, you know, if you confess with your mouth the 0:42:08.439 --> 0:42:10.649 Lord Jesus, believe in your heart that God raised from 0:42:10.649 --> 0:42:13.428 the dead. You shall be saved. Those are the words 0:42:13.429 --> 0:42:16.759 of the apostle Paul in Romans chapter 10, and you've 0:42:16.759 --> 0:42:17.759 done that, so. 0:42:18.489 --> 0:42:21.249 You're safe. Now, Danny, what is it that you mean 0:42:21.248 --> 0:42:23.149 when you say that you're struggling to commit? 0:42:25.140 --> 0:42:27.659 Um, I feel like I'm very selfish with my time. 0:42:27.739 --> 0:42:31.779 I'd rather, you know, watch TV or, you know, do 0:42:31.780 --> 0:42:34.540 anything else than, you know, read the Bible, pray a 0:42:34.540 --> 0:42:37.060 little bit more, have that time with the Lord. I've 0:42:37.060 --> 0:42:39.999 kind of been slacking. It feels like forever, but it's 0:42:40.140 --> 0:42:42.178 probably just been a couple of years since I've been 0:42:42.179 --> 0:42:45.540 as dedicated as I was before. Eric, what do you 0:42:45.540 --> 0:42:46.100 say to Danny? 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:48.959 Well, Danny, I, I want to. 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:53.880 Um, just tell you, I, I'm grateful you're asking these questions. 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:59.080 There is a troubling cultural Christianity or a moralism or 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.998 a religiosity that Jesus and throughout the whole Bible, God 0:43:02.998 --> 0:43:06.560 is going after as not the real thing. And so, 0:43:07.248 --> 0:43:12.259 I, I really appreciate that you're asking these questions, and 0:43:12.259 --> 0:43:14.979 I must say some of the most troubling passages in 0:43:14.979 --> 0:43:19.229 the Bible are the ones where Jesus confronts really religious 0:43:19.229 --> 0:43:22.939 people and he says, you're not really one of mine. You're, 0:43:23.020 --> 0:43:24.659 you're not part of my kingdom. 0:43:25.370 --> 0:43:27.370 And do you know what they never say? 0:43:28.540 --> 0:43:30.080 You know, I was wondering about that. 0:43:31.350 --> 0:43:34.589 They never say, I've been really wrestling with, with how 0:43:34.590 --> 0:43:39.560 real I am. They never say, uh, you know, I'm busted. I, 0:43:39.630 --> 0:43:43.169 I've been faking it. They're offended that he would say that, 0:43:43.189 --> 0:43:46.429 and they start giving their religious credentials and saying, Do 0:43:46.429 --> 0:43:48.890 you know who we're children of Abraham? Do you know 0:43:48.890 --> 0:43:52.850 we've kept the law? And, and they, they present their 0:43:52.850 --> 0:43:56.790 moral and religious accomplishments as the, as the evidence, and 0:43:56.790 --> 0:43:58.928 Jesus says, no, you're missing the whole point. 0:43:59.739 --> 0:44:03.380 And so the fact is, Danny, people who are are 0:44:03.380 --> 0:44:04.890 cultural Christians only. 0:44:05.850 --> 0:44:08.178 I, I don't think they ask the kind of questions 0:44:08.179 --> 0:44:08.999 you're asking. 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.759 The fact that you're wrestling with the authenticity of your 0:44:13.759 --> 0:44:16.719 faith is a really good sign, and the people who 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:20.110 get challenged are like the Corinthians who are just an 0:44:20.110 --> 0:44:21.280 unrepentant sin. 0:44:21.998 --> 0:44:24.640 Who it doesn't seem to be bothering them, and he 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.719 says you need to examine yourselves to see if you're 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:31.040 in the faith. You're examining yourself already, and if there 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.159 isn't a calloused hardcore God whether you don't even care 0:44:34.159 --> 0:44:36.640 about sin in your life and you're not asking the 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.040 kinds of questions you are, that's when I think there's 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:40.359 reason for concern. 0:44:40.860 --> 0:44:43.820 But, but I will also say it's very important that 0:44:43.820 --> 0:44:46.179 you do avail yourself to the means of grace where 0:44:46.179 --> 0:44:49.259 you do grow and you do validate your faith with 0:44:49.259 --> 0:44:51.419 fruit of the spirit and you do commit to the 0:44:51.419 --> 0:44:53.499 fellowship of the saints and becoming a woman of the 0:44:53.498 --> 0:44:56.819 word and a woman of prayer and worship and serving 0:44:57.100 --> 0:44:58.890 and I, I think it's good to say, yeah, I, 0:44:58.939 --> 0:45:01.439 I want to go deeper in my relationship with the Lord, 0:45:01.459 --> 0:45:03.340 so I'm going to avail myself to the means of 0:45:03.340 --> 0:45:05.080 grace he's given me for that. 0:45:06.498 --> 0:45:09.580 Mm, well, it's awesome. Thank you. Any tips for Danny 0:45:09.580 --> 0:45:12.020 on how to cut back on the TV time and 0:45:12.020 --> 0:45:15.979 maybe the doom scrolling on social media and oh yes. 0:45:16.419 --> 0:45:17.659 Do you have family, by the way, Danny? 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.120 Yes, I do. I come from a big family. OK, 0:45:21.310 --> 0:45:23.080 but like, are you married with kids or anything? 0:45:24.409 --> 0:45:26.640 No, I, I'm not. OK, that was the reason I 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:28.229 was asking that, but, uh, Brian. 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:33.249 Yeah, you know, I mean, it, it is a matter 0:45:33.248 --> 0:45:37.989 of discipline, uh, to some degree, because, um, you know, 0:45:38.060 --> 0:45:42.060 we have seasons where we just feel so close to God, 0:45:42.070 --> 0:45:45.630 and we're so excited about, man, I'm so excited to 0:45:45.630 --> 0:45:48.790 get into my Bible today. Oh, gosh, I'm going to 0:45:48.790 --> 0:45:51.929 church tonight, you know, I'm looking forward to worshiping, and, uh, 0:45:52.030 --> 0:45:54.669 you know, oh, it's a ministry opportunity, and, oh, I 0:45:54.669 --> 0:45:55.509 can't wait for that. 0:45:55.998 --> 0:45:59.699 And then there are times where all of those feelings 0:45:59.699 --> 0:46:03.949 are kind of turned off, and this is where discipline 0:46:03.949 --> 0:46:05.229 comes in and you say, 0:46:05.570 --> 0:46:08.810 You know what? I, I'm gonna do this because this 0:46:08.810 --> 0:46:13.890 is just what Christians do. Um, you know, so having a, 0:46:13.969 --> 0:46:18.110 a consistent devotional life, whether you feel like reading your 0:46:18.110 --> 0:46:20.449 Bible or not, you know, sometimes, I mean, let's face it, 0:46:20.689 --> 0:46:24.209 sometimes there's things that happen during a day that just, 0:46:24.449 --> 0:46:26.050 you know, it, it gets away from us. The other day, 0:46:26.090 --> 0:46:28.290 I had a whole day. Um, I didn't read my 0:46:28.290 --> 0:46:30.169 Bible at all, but, you know, I listened to some 0:46:30.169 --> 0:46:32.630 podcasts and I prayed and I did some stuff, but 0:46:32.850 --> 0:46:33.830 I was so 0:46:34.248 --> 0:46:37.130 Over my head with all the different things I was 0:46:37.130 --> 0:46:40.589 doing that day, it was, I just never got the opportunity. 0:46:41.090 --> 0:46:44.530 And so, of course, God understands that, and, you know, 0:46:44.610 --> 0:46:47.830 it's not like you have to read your Bible every day, um, 0:46:47.969 --> 0:46:50.169 but we wanna be in the word, we wanna be 0:46:50.169 --> 0:46:52.370 strengthened through it, we wanna be cleansed through it and 0:46:52.370 --> 0:46:53.209 so forth, so. 0:46:53.659 --> 0:46:56.380 So, I would just say simply, I think in certain areas, 0:46:56.419 --> 0:46:59.259 it doesn't mean you can't watch your favorite TV program 0:46:59.259 --> 0:47:01.939 or whatever, unless God just really convicts you like, hey, 0:47:01.979 --> 0:47:05.620 don't watch that anymore. Um, but, you know, make a 0:47:05.620 --> 0:47:12.380 priority out of your spiritual development. Discipline yourself if you 0:47:12.380 --> 0:47:13.979 don't have the feelings for it. 0:47:14.300 --> 0:47:19.390 And trust that in time the feelings will emerge. Eric. Mm. 0:47:20.140 --> 0:47:22.969 And I would invite other people into your growth. My 0:47:22.969 --> 0:47:26.060 wife has been going through the Bible in a year 0:47:26.060 --> 0:47:27.820 with a handful of women. 0:47:28.459 --> 0:47:31.300 And every day they all check in with each other 0:47:31.300 --> 0:47:33.748 and send an email, just a couple sentences on what 0:47:33.748 --> 0:47:35.459 they got out of the word today. It has been 0:47:35.459 --> 0:47:40.179 incredibly motivating and enlivening for the word. So, you know, 0:47:40.189 --> 0:47:42.340 one of those mornings where you're not sure what you're 0:47:42.340 --> 0:47:43.580 supposed to get out of this, one of the other 0:47:43.580 --> 0:47:46.060 ladies just weighs in and just has a great insight 0:47:46.060 --> 0:47:46.520 and so. 0:47:46.949 --> 0:47:49.520 The fellowship is so important. And the other thing I 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.279 would add, Danny, is I think it's important to realize 0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.439 that we go to things like doom scrolling or too 0:47:55.439 --> 0:48:01.069 much time wasted or things that actually don't refresh you. I, 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:02.759 I've never talked to anybody who says, you know, I 0:48:02.759 --> 0:48:05.669 laid in bed for 2 hours just mindlessly scrolling and 0:48:05.669 --> 0:48:09.169 I got up feeling way better about my life. We're, 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:13.159 we're created to be productive and bear fruit and 0:48:13.570 --> 0:48:17.290 And, and so just realize that what you think you're 0:48:17.290 --> 0:48:21.449 going to get out of major time wasters don't actually 0:48:21.449 --> 0:48:23.729 give you what you're wanting. You don't feel better, you 0:48:23.729 --> 0:48:27.229 don't feel refreshed when you just sort of mindlessly shut off. 0:48:27.669 --> 0:48:30.560 Now I'm, I, I've actually written on recreation and play. 0:48:30.610 --> 0:48:32.969 It's one of my main areas of research interest, and 0:48:32.969 --> 0:48:34.408 so there's great value in it. 0:48:35.090 --> 0:48:37.020 But because you've been working. 0:48:37.929 --> 0:48:42.399 Hard, the diversion, the rest, the recreation, the play is 0:48:42.399 --> 0:48:45.810 what it's intended to be, uh, rather than the pattern. 0:48:48.229 --> 0:48:49.779 OK. All right, Danny. 0:48:51.060 --> 0:48:53.179 All righty, thank you guys so much. I really appreciate 0:48:53.179 --> 0:48:55.620 the reminders and the tips for that. I'll definitely get 0:48:55.620 --> 0:48:58.739 involved with my uh siblings who are, you know, following Christ. 0:48:58.810 --> 0:49:02.100 Thank you guys so much. Yeah, great, awesome. You know, 0:49:02.189 --> 0:49:06.339 isn't it funny, um, you know, we've got this thing 0:49:06.340 --> 0:49:09.459 now called doom scrolling, you, you know, and you think of, 0:49:09.979 --> 0:49:12.459 sometimes I think when I spend too much time looking 0:49:12.459 --> 0:49:13.520 at my phone, I think, 0:49:14.330 --> 0:49:17.370 All of the years I didn't, I didn't have such 0:49:17.370 --> 0:49:22.770 a device. There, this didn't even exist, and I sometimes 0:49:22.770 --> 0:49:25.009 I have to kind of get my head back in. 0:49:25.929 --> 0:49:28.779 Back in time and say, OK, you know, I don't 0:49:28.780 --> 0:49:30.739 need this thing in my hand. I don't need to 0:49:30.739 --> 0:49:34.100 be looking at the same stuff over and over and 0:49:34.100 --> 0:49:39.239 over again endlessly. So, the need for discipline again. Yeah, 0:49:39.620 --> 0:49:41.939 even with TV shows, I mean, back in the day 0:49:41.939 --> 0:49:44.340 it was you'd watch one show a week because they 0:49:44.340 --> 0:49:47.409 would only release one every Wednesday night or whatever. You'd 0:49:47.409 --> 0:49:49.340 watch an episode, you'd have to wait till next Wednesday 0:49:49.340 --> 0:49:51.449 to watch. Now you can binge watch and 0:49:51.709 --> 0:49:54.489 You know, taking 5 hours of TV in one night, 0:49:54.550 --> 0:49:55.948 it's like, where did the time go? 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:59.120 It's crazy. You had to wait for the radio to 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:02.719 play your favorite song. Yes, yes. 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:08.319 What a concept. But yeah, one other reminder, Danny, the 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.299 phone isn't going to shut off automatically. It's not gonna 0:50:11.419 --> 0:50:13.640 disappear out of your hand at 8 o'clock at night 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.199 or 9 o'clock at night. The TV isn't going to 0:50:16.199 --> 0:50:18.360 shut off automatically. It's, it's one of those things. You 0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:20.839 can maybe set a reminder on your phone at whatever time, 0:50:20.909 --> 0:50:23.529 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock, and then just follow through with 0:50:23.530 --> 0:50:27.540 that commitment. OK, I'm turning this off, opening the Bible, 0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:30.199 and uh going from there. But thank you so much 0:50:30.199 --> 0:50:32.439 for calling in today and if everybody watching and listening 0:50:32.439 --> 0:50:33.520 can pray for Danny. 0:50:33.790 --> 0:50:39.890 In her spiritual growth. 888-564-6173 is our number today. 0:50:41.110 --> 0:50:43.350 Here are two questions that were submitted online from the 0:50:43.350 --> 0:50:48.239 same person. Robert and Alicia had a question about John 11, 0:50:48.310 --> 0:50:52.509 where Jesus raises Lazarus from the dead. Um, they ask, 0:50:52.590 --> 0:50:55.109 what are the various views for John 11 when it 0:50:55.110 --> 0:50:59.149 says that Jesus was greatly moved and troubled, and the 0:50:59.149 --> 0:51:03.020 actual Greek also means to sternly warn in other places. 0:51:03.149 --> 0:51:07.229 What was Jesus strongly bothered and troubled by? 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:11.390 I've heard their lack of belief, but I don't see 0:51:11.390 --> 0:51:14.459 how he would expect them to believe so radical a 0:51:14.459 --> 0:51:18.390 view enough to be bothered. But I also heard that 0:51:18.390 --> 0:51:21.870 he experienced their suffering and might have been severely bothered 0:51:21.870 --> 0:51:24.390 that humanity had to suffer so badly. 0:51:24.929 --> 0:51:28.209 Hence he right away said, Take me to where he 0:51:28.209 --> 0:51:31.629 is buried. Lazarus is buried. Then the verse Jesus wept 0:51:31.770 --> 0:51:35.330 as him joining in our shared experience of sorrow caused 0:51:35.330 --> 0:51:38.340 by sin and death. What are your thoughts, since I've 0:51:38.340 --> 0:51:41.810 only read one commentary with this view, but it sounds 0:51:41.810 --> 0:51:44.570 like the best one I've heard. What do you say, Eric? 0:51:46.759 --> 0:51:48.319 So Dylan Thomas wasn't. 0:51:49.290 --> 0:51:50.149 A Christian 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:54.880 But it it is probably his most famous poem is 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:57.949 called uh The Dying of the Light, and the refrain 0:51:57.949 --> 0:52:01.009 throughout the poem is, do not go gentle into that 0:52:01.009 --> 0:52:05.609 good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light. 0:52:05.729 --> 0:52:08.009 And when I, I think of that poem when I, 0:52:08.090 --> 0:52:13.280 I read that passage sometimes because I think there's a 0:52:13.290 --> 0:52:13.870 deep 0:52:14.860 --> 0:52:18.540 Uh, troubled. I, I think there's empathy for his friends 0:52:18.540 --> 0:52:22.340 who are grieving the loss of their brother, and, but 0:52:22.340 --> 0:52:26.759 I do think Jesus is raging in that moment against 0:52:27.130 --> 0:52:29.729 the reality of death, the effects of our sin, the 0:52:29.729 --> 0:52:33.820 darkness in this world, his brokenhearted friends. I, I think 0:52:33.820 --> 0:52:37.739 Jesus is deeply troubled by the fallenness of the, the 0:52:37.739 --> 0:52:42.279 world in that moment, and he's raging against the darkness. He's, he's. 0:52:42.679 --> 0:52:46.259 He's raging against the dying of the light, and I 0:52:46.259 --> 0:52:48.799 mean the word is you can use it for a 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:54.080 snorting horse. There's an anger to it. It's not just sadness. It's, 0:52:54.149 --> 0:52:57.799 it's not just being troubled. There, he's like a warrior 0:52:57.800 --> 0:52:59.140 going into battle. 0:52:59.709 --> 0:53:02.449 I remember I played football for 16 years and boy 0:53:02.449 --> 0:53:04.580 we would get ready to go to war and I, 0:53:04.630 --> 0:53:07.110 I think that's part of what's going on there. Calvin 0:53:07.110 --> 0:53:10.429 has a great passage where he talks about Jesus as 0:53:10.429 --> 0:53:14.749 the champion who is taking on death and hell and 0:53:14.748 --> 0:53:18.540 sin as a victorious warrior and I, and I think, 0:53:18.870 --> 0:53:21.009 I think that's a lot of what's going on there. 0:53:21.929 --> 0:53:22.739 What do you think, Brian? 0:53:24.229 --> 0:53:28.270 Yeah, that's great. I think, absolutely. And, and I think, um, you, 0:53:28.429 --> 0:53:31.390 you know, the, the person who asked the question, I 0:53:31.390 --> 0:53:35.069 think he, they got it right when they said, ah, 0:53:35.509 --> 0:53:37.870 you know, some say Jesus is upset at the people 0:53:37.870 --> 0:53:42.350 around him. No, he, that's not where his anger is directed, 0:53:42.429 --> 0:53:47.929 I think, like Eric's saying, it's directed at, um, the 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:53.419 The catastrophe that's happened to the creation that he loves, 0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:56.860 and so, and you know, this is where of course 0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:03.759 he's going to face death head on himself and so 0:54:03.759 --> 0:54:06.719 that's all kind of right there, you know, in that 0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:11.040 moment as he's facing it with Lazarus. 0:54:12.399 --> 0:54:15.219 Robert and Alicia, thank you for sending in your question 0:54:15.219 --> 0:54:19.259 through the Pastor's Perspective Facebook page using messenger. I don't 0:54:19.259 --> 0:54:22.860 think there's enough time to read your other question. Sorry, I, 0:54:22.939 --> 0:54:24.600 I thought I'd have time to read both of them. 0:54:24.939 --> 0:54:26.739 I could read the question, but I don't think there'd 0:54:26.739 --> 0:54:27.979 be uh enough time to 0:54:28.380 --> 0:54:30.899 Give you a good answer, so we'll maybe save that 0:54:30.899 --> 0:54:33.489 one for some other time. And you guys that are 0:54:33.489 --> 0:54:35.498 on the phone right now, sorry that we couldn't get 0:54:35.498 --> 0:54:38.658 to you, but we'll be back tomorrow between 3 and 0:54:38.659 --> 0:54:42.359 4 p.m. Pacific time. Start calling about 7 minutes before 3. 0:54:42.659 --> 0:54:44.449 That's when we open up the phone lines and we'd 0:54:44.449 --> 0:54:47.939 love to hear from you. Eric Thomas, teaching pastor at 0:54:47.939 --> 0:54:50.939 Grace EV Free Church in La Morada and professor at 0:54:50.939 --> 0:54:54.100 the Talbot School of Theology at Viola University. Thanks for 0:54:54.100 --> 0:54:55.020 joining us today, man. 0:54:55.459 --> 0:54:58.060 You're welcome. I love doing this with you guys. I, I'm, 0:54:58.140 --> 0:54:59.939 I'm so grateful for both of you and for the 0:54:59.939 --> 0:55:03.659 people calling. You're both so good at this. I really 0:55:03.659 --> 0:55:07.459 appreciate it. Thanks, man. It's, it's mutual, Eric. We, we 0:55:07.459 --> 0:55:09.600 enjoy it so much when you're on. So thank you 0:55:09.979 --> 0:55:13.459 for sure. And Brian Broderson, of course, Pastor Emeritus at 0:55:13.459 --> 0:55:17.249 Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. Thank you for being on, and, uh, 0:55:17.498 --> 0:55:20.100 we'll talk to you tomorrow, I believe. And everyone else, 0:55:20.259 --> 0:55:24.459 thanks for watching and listening today to Pastor's perspective. God bless.