WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-10/29/26 0:00:17.240 --> 0:00:22.799 Hello. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.720 and we're here until 4 o'clock. Call in and ask 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.960 your questions about the Bible, the Christian faith, just about 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.640 anything that's on your mind. If you've got questions about 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.399 any of those books on Phil Metzger's shelf, I'm sure 0:00:35.399 --> 0:00:37.120 you can zoom in and see which ones they are. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:42.199 You can call in to 888-564-6173. If you're watching on Facebook, 0:00:42.310 --> 0:00:45.068 YouTube or Instagram, you guys can call in too. The 0:00:45.069 --> 0:00:46.388 number's right there on the bottom of your 0:00:46.540 --> 0:00:50.068 Screen, same one I just gave a moment ago. And 0:00:50.069 --> 0:00:52.240 you can also scan that QR code and that'll take 0:00:52.239 --> 0:00:55.839 you to the pastor's perspective page at Kwave.com, where you 0:00:55.839 --> 0:00:58.479 can submit your question online. You can also do that 0:00:58.479 --> 0:01:00.950 on the Pastor's perspective Instagram using DM. 0:01:02.049 --> 0:01:05.650 Or, yeah, DMing us on the pastor's perspective Instagram or 0:01:05.650 --> 0:01:09.330 by using Messenger on the Pastor's Perspective Facebook page. But yes, 0:01:09.490 --> 0:01:12.310 Phil Metzger from Calvary San Diego is here joining us 0:01:12.310 --> 0:01:15.969 on the show, as well as Brian Broderson. How are 0:01:15.969 --> 0:01:16.649 you guys doing? 0:01:17.270 --> 0:01:17.280 Well, 0:01:18.719 --> 0:01:20.869 I, I want to speak for Phil. Phil is doing 0:01:21.770 --> 0:01:26.209 extremely well. He is, he just looks so pastoral today. 0:01:26.289 --> 0:01:30.390 He's just, you know, bright faced and he's nicely shaved 0:01:30.390 --> 0:01:32.609 and his hair looks good and he's got a collared 0:01:32.609 --> 0:01:36.188 shirt on, which I am so impressed by all these things. 0:01:36.569 --> 0:01:40.449 And as you can probably tell, I have not followed 0:01:40.450 --> 0:01:42.909 Phil's example today. Um. 0:01:44.490 --> 0:01:50.130 I'm still wearing my pajamas actually. Well, not this is 0:01:50.130 --> 0:01:52.770 what a Sunday pastor looks like and Brian's what a 0:01:52.770 --> 0:01:59.119 Monday pastor looks like. Brian is what a, uh, packing boxes, uh, 0:02:00.089 --> 0:02:04.829 remodeling your house, uh, looks like, yeah, so. 0:02:05.859 --> 0:02:07.880 Well, I'm glad you took time away from that to 0:02:08.539 --> 0:02:11.009 come in here to the studio today. We so appreciate it. Yeah, I, 0:02:11.339 --> 0:02:13.979 but I was wondering about that book on Phil's shelf, um, 0:02:14.579 --> 0:02:18.020 when I met the Nephilim, I wondered, uh, is that 0:02:18.380 --> 0:02:21.340 he wrote that. That's what I thought. That's my new 0:02:21.340 --> 0:02:25.090 book that's coming out in, uh, yeah, it's coming out soon. I, 0:02:25.340 --> 0:02:27.100 I was hoping to get a foreword by you, but 0:02:27.100 --> 0:02:28.380 I guess, you know, I don't know. 0:02:31.180 --> 0:02:32.740 Well, I know a few people that could give you 0:02:32.740 --> 0:02:35.549 one actually. I know some that would want to give 0:02:35.549 --> 0:02:35.820 you one. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.770 All right, Phone lines are open at 888-564-6173 if you 0:02:42.770 --> 0:02:45.159 want to talk about the Nephilim or anything else, uh, 0:02:45.449 --> 0:02:48.169 preferably not the Nephilim, but, uh, I think we've exhausted 0:02:48.169 --> 0:02:50.669 that topic. I don't know if there's, if there's anything 0:02:51.130 --> 0:02:53.590 new we could say about it, but you could call in. 0:02:53.730 --> 0:02:56.480 The Nephilim are making a comeback. I mean, it's, are they, yeah, they're, 0:02:56.570 --> 0:02:59.370 they're big, big news these days. A lot of people 0:02:59.370 --> 0:03:03.930 talking about the Nephilim, uh, yeah, of course, online, where 0:03:03.930 --> 0:03:06.010 all the wacky stuff gets posted, right. 0:03:06.900 --> 0:03:08.749 Where the Nephilim hang out. Yes, yes. 0:03:10.559 --> 0:03:13.409 Let's go to the phones right away and uh maybe 0:03:13.409 --> 0:03:16.240 we'll read some of these questions later that were submitted online. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:22.439 Phone number again, 888-564-6173. And here's Mary in Chino Hills, 0:03:22.449 --> 0:03:25.600 who's listening on the KWave app. Thank you, Mary, for 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.630 downloading the app and thanks for calling in today. 0:03:29.430 --> 0:03:33.510 Good afternoon. I would like to have, I'm working on 0:03:33.510 --> 0:03:37.949 my Women's weekly Bible study, and I'm going over 2 0:03:37.949 --> 0:03:46.579 Corinthians 11:23-27 where it goes into detail of the persecution, um, 0:03:46.590 --> 0:03:49.669 that Paul went through. And I was just wanting to 0:03:49.669 --> 0:03:55.990 get some commentary of the, uh, 40 lashes minus 1. 0:03:58.100 --> 0:04:01.260 Yeah, that's a reference to the times that he was 0:04:01.260 --> 0:04:03.299 um beaten. 0:04:04.090 --> 0:04:07.680 And it was beaten at the um. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:15.579 The command of of some magistrate. So, um, the 40 0:04:15.919 --> 0:04:21.438 lashes minus 1 was, that was the number of lashes, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.880 and they, they were 40, but then they would stop 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.689 at 39 as sort of a show of, of mercy. Uh, 0:04:27.799 --> 0:04:31.139 so he's just commenting on the fact that he had, um, 0:04:31.159 --> 0:04:34.750 what does he say, 5 times that he received 40 stripes, 0:04:34.758 --> 0:04:37.299 or is it, yeah, I think it's, yeah. 0:04:38.258 --> 0:04:39.990 Yeah, so that's what that's what he's referring to there. 0:04:42.349 --> 0:04:45.739 OK, I was just wondering if there was a significance 0:04:45.740 --> 0:04:52.620 for the actual phrase of 40 minus 1 opposed to 0:04:52.620 --> 0:04:56.460 just saying 39 lashes. I was just curious if that 0:04:56.460 --> 0:05:01.310 had any significance. Yeah, I think if you read the 0:05:01.310 --> 0:05:05.229 new translation, it would probably say 39. It does. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.280 Yeah, so it's just a, I look at every, I'm sorry, 0:05:08.359 --> 0:05:10.799 I look everything up in the New King James Version, 0:05:10.878 --> 0:05:13.549 but that gives me a good reference to look at 0:05:13.549 --> 0:05:16.440 a different, yeah, yeah, and the, and the, um. 0:05:17.810 --> 0:05:21.250 The new, the New Living Translation is a good, it's 0:05:21.250 --> 0:05:24.119 good to read alongside of the New King James, uh, 0:05:24.128 --> 0:05:26.650 because it will, it'll just kind of update some of 0:05:26.650 --> 0:05:27.579 those types of things. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.329 OK, great. Thank you very much. You're welcome. 0:05:33.139 --> 0:05:36.219 God bless you. Bye bye. You too. Thanks, Mary. Thanks 0:05:36.219 --> 0:05:40.169 for calling in today. So yeah, instead of 40 lashes, 0:05:40.219 --> 0:05:44.489 we stopped at 39. How nice. I mean, right, that's mercy. Yeah, yeah, and, 0:05:44.539 --> 0:05:47.900 and I think the indicator too is that um those 0:05:47.900 --> 0:05:50.939 were administered by the Jewish authorities because it was only 0:05:50.940 --> 0:05:55.520 the Jewish authorities that had the, you know, the display, 0:05:55.579 --> 0:05:58.539 the great display of mercy to give you one less 0:05:58.539 --> 0:05:59.279 than 40. 0:06:00.770 --> 0:06:03.729 Fill in a commentary on that from you. Well, does 0:06:03.729 --> 0:06:06.049 it wait, um, I'm looking because in the new Living 0:06:06.049 --> 0:06:09.609 it actually says the Jewish leaders. Oh, does it really? Yeah. 0:06:09.729 --> 0:06:12.870 And so now I'm flipping over to my new king Jimmy, 0:06:12.889 --> 0:06:17.758 and yeah, from the Jews, 500 from the Jews, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:06:18.008 --> 0:06:20.060 So good, good catch on that. That's important, yeah. 0:06:21.349 --> 0:06:25.960 Thank you Mary for your phone call at 888-564-6173. Now 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.479 let's read at least one question that was submitted online. 0:06:28.568 --> 0:06:31.960 This one is from Sarah, who, uh, reached out to 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.698 us on Instagram. She DM'ed us and wrote, I'm grateful 0:06:35.698 --> 0:06:39.559 for the biblical insights and perspectives of the pastors and 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.068 for Brian's eloquent, warm, and gracious hosting. I think she's 0:06:43.068 --> 0:06:45.359 talking about you. Remember, remember the other day when you 0:06:45.359 --> 0:06:47.919 were hosting for 90 seconds, 30 seconds? Oh, of course 0:06:47.919 --> 0:06:49.538 it was me, to be, I mean. 0:06:50.409 --> 0:06:54.388 It's obvious. It's obvious in the countless hours and hours 0:06:54.389 --> 0:06:59.169 of Brian Perez's hosting, she was certainly referencing that she 0:06:59.169 --> 0:07:03.569 was deeply moved by, yes, I was too, so yeah, 0:07:03.609 --> 0:07:06.849 I'm with her. I got it because you were very eloquent, warm, 0:07:06.859 --> 0:07:10.079 and gracious. Oh, I must remember that very much so, yes. OK, 0:07:10.210 --> 0:07:13.810 so Sarah says, my question is, um, my understanding is 0:07:13.810 --> 0:07:15.009 that God. 0:07:15.085 --> 0:07:18.405 Father and God the Son are distinct persons, yet both 0:07:18.405 --> 0:07:21.525 are fully God. Before Jesus was born as a human 0:07:21.525 --> 0:07:24.764 being on earth, did he already exist eternally as God 0:07:24.764 --> 0:07:28.484 the Son? If so, how should we understand his relationship 0:07:28.484 --> 0:07:32.365 with God the Father before the incarnation? Were they always 0:07:32.365 --> 0:07:35.884 distinct persons, and how can we understand this while still 0:07:35.884 --> 0:07:38.974 believing there is only one God? Phil Metzger, what do 0:07:38.974 --> 0:07:39.684 you say to Sarah? 0:07:40.430 --> 0:07:42.329 Yeah, well, Sarah, you know, you're, you're, you're. 0:07:43.490 --> 0:07:45.759 This is a topic that obviously has been 0:07:46.810 --> 0:07:48.289 You know, it's one that, I mean, we're, we've been 0:07:48.289 --> 0:07:50.930 discussing for thousands of years is that trying to understand 0:07:50.930 --> 0:07:53.479 like how do you, how do you express and, you know, 0:07:53.569 --> 0:07:56.129 we've got analogies of the Trinity and like, and things 0:07:56.129 --> 0:07:58.410 like that and really what it comes down to is we, 0:07:58.470 --> 0:08:01.328 we take the scriptures for, I mean, the, the Bible 0:08:01.329 --> 0:08:04.810 gives us this, this clarity of Trinity, but in terms 0:08:04.810 --> 0:08:08.229 of like how can you perfectly understand it, that'll be 0:08:08.370 --> 0:08:11.449 for you and me in heaven one day. But yes, 0:08:12.139 --> 0:08:16.379 Three persons, one God, unique, but also one God. And 0:08:16.379 --> 0:08:19.340 so we see from the very beginning in Genesis, we 0:08:19.340 --> 0:08:23.210 see God, and even just the very term that is 0:08:23.210 --> 0:08:27.569 used for God is God's Elohim, but it is one God. 0:08:27.639 --> 0:08:32.639 Let us make man in our image, so God speaking 0:08:33.099 --> 0:08:37.799 to Himself, the three persons speaking to each other throughout, um, 0:08:37.979 --> 0:08:40.060 you know, I think it's in John 17 that it 0:08:40.060 --> 0:08:40.969 says that there was 0:08:41.309 --> 0:08:44.028 Uh, Jesus said of the Father, you loved me before 0:08:44.028 --> 0:08:46.867 the foundation of the world. In other words, there's been 0:08:46.867 --> 0:08:51.149 unity and harmony and love among the, the triune God 0:08:51.588 --> 0:08:56.769 since before Jesus was incarnated as, as a person. 0:08:57.319 --> 0:08:59.839 So, God the Son and God the Father and God 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:05.119 the Spirit in eternal love, relationship, one God, three persons, 0:09:05.199 --> 0:09:08.520 is it confusing? Absolutely. From the, from our kind of 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.879 like temporal perspective, it's like, how, how can that be? What, how, 0:09:12.989 --> 0:09:15.520 how is that possible? But of course we're talking about 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.828 God and so, uh, what becomes possible is possible because 0:09:18.828 --> 0:09:22.520 he made it possible and so we accept it by faith. 0:09:22.929 --> 0:09:25.249 And we accept the word of God by faith, and 0:09:25.249 --> 0:09:27.920 we accept the, because the Bible tells us of the 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.809 triune God, we accept that by faith. 0:09:30.670 --> 0:09:32.559 Pastor Bryant. Mhm. 0:09:33.540 --> 0:09:34.129 Um, 0:09:35.699 --> 0:09:37.660 Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know that there's 0:09:37.660 --> 0:09:40.139 really anything that I would add. I mean there, there 0:09:40.139 --> 0:09:46.420 has been a historic debate regarding the eternal sonship, uh, 0:09:46.619 --> 0:09:49.340 so not, not regarding the eternal nature of Jesus because 0:09:49.340 --> 0:09:53.800 of course we of course know that he, uh, you know, 0:09:54.030 --> 0:09:57.699 has been God always from eternity. But the the question 0:09:57.699 --> 0:10:02.699 has been, would the sun apply to him before the incarnation? 0:10:03.470 --> 0:10:08.350 And, um, or in in some cases before the resurrection 0:10:08.350 --> 0:10:14.329 because uh when Peter is referencing um. 0:10:15.210 --> 0:10:19.520 The the passage that says, uh, you are my son today. 0:10:19.770 --> 0:10:23.040 I have begotten you, he, he puts it in the 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.488 context of the resurrection. And so again, there, you know, 0:10:26.569 --> 0:10:31.850 there has been some historic debate about not whether Christ 0:10:31.850 --> 0:10:35.290 is eternal and distinct from the Father, but whether we 0:10:35.290 --> 0:10:39.969 should see him as eternally the Son. And um, so, 0:10:40.090 --> 0:10:42.090 you know, some people have landed on one side of 0:10:42.090 --> 0:10:43.770 that and others have landed. 0:10:44.230 --> 0:10:47.030 On a different side of that, and um I think 0:10:47.030 --> 0:10:47.770 that the 0:10:48.999 --> 0:10:49.710 The 0:10:51.110 --> 0:10:53.170 And, and I, I've, I've thought about it, and I, 0:10:53.249 --> 0:10:55.230 I do think that the uh 0:10:56.069 --> 0:11:01.480 To refer to the eternal sun, I think is, I 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.480 think it is actually the the proper way to understand. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.079 That Jesus has been the son in in the sense of, 0:11:09.199 --> 0:11:12.360 you know, you know, this, this idea of begotten to 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.078 the Father again, these are, these are complicated things in 0:11:15.078 --> 0:11:19.439 the sense that, um, you know, to be begotten means 0:11:19.439 --> 0:11:25.639 to proceed from, you know, to be born from and so, um, 0:11:26.239 --> 0:11:28.559 you know, we know that, you know, Jesus. 0:11:28.929 --> 0:11:32.249 Is the brightness of God's glory and the express image 0:11:32.249 --> 0:11:36.150 of His person or the exact representation of His person. 0:11:36.689 --> 0:11:38.259 So I, I think it's 0:11:39.730 --> 0:11:44.099 I think it's proper to refer to the eternal Son 0:11:44.100 --> 0:11:44.520 of God. 0:11:45.319 --> 0:11:47.480 Hope that helps you, Sarah. Thank you so much for 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:53.229 DMing us on the Pastor's Perspective Instagram. 888-564-6173 is the 0:11:53.230 --> 0:11:55.259 number to call us today with your questions. Phil, do 0:11:55.259 --> 0:11:57.030 you ever feel like, um, 0:11:58.429 --> 0:12:00.258 Gosh, I need to do like a whole deep dive 0:12:00.259 --> 0:12:03.939 into the Trinity again, you know, people, people ask you 0:12:03.939 --> 0:12:06.389 questions about it and you're like, you know, I haven't 0:12:06.389 --> 0:12:12.030 really thought about that topic specifically, and you know, you 0:12:12.030 --> 0:12:15.110 get a little bit rusty in the sense of like 0:12:15.110 --> 0:12:19.230 all of the, the technicalities and the different perspectives and 0:12:19.230 --> 0:12:21.910 arguments and things. So, um, I came across a book 0:12:21.910 --> 0:12:23.629 in my library the other day just because I've been 0:12:23.629 --> 0:12:24.270 cleaning it out. 0:12:24.689 --> 0:12:26.369 And it was a, a study I had on the 0:12:26.369 --> 0:12:28.850 Trinity that I, I forgot that I even had that 0:12:28.850 --> 0:12:31.860 particular book and I thought, I should probably read this, just, 0:12:32.170 --> 0:12:33.868 you know, just to brush up my 0:12:35.369 --> 0:12:38.530 To stay sharp on the, on the topic. I feel 0:12:38.530 --> 0:12:41.009 like I can answer a question on the Nephilim easier 0:12:41.009 --> 0:12:45.290 than the Trinity. And I mean, you know, we get 0:12:45.290 --> 0:12:48.170 used to hearing certain questions, right? And then when somebody says, hey, 0:12:48.290 --> 0:12:51.170 can you explain, you know, I remember just like to 0:12:51.170 --> 0:12:53.328 the point that you're making there, Brian, when I first 0:12:53.328 --> 0:12:55.170 moved to Russia back in 1992. 0:12:55.725 --> 0:12:57.634 And I remember like thinking I got to be prepared, 0:12:57.675 --> 0:12:59.554 you know, I got to be ready to share my 0:12:59.554 --> 0:13:01.915 faith and all that. And then people are like, who 0:13:01.915 --> 0:13:05.324 is God? It's like, what do you mean? Who is God? 0:13:05.395 --> 0:13:09.234 Like I wasn't thinking that, that, you know, like, it's 0:13:09.235 --> 0:13:12.275 like you go back to like such a, a basic, 0:13:12.345 --> 0:13:15.494 but yet like, oh my gosh, that's really hard to explain. 0:13:17.780 --> 0:13:21.210 That's great. All right, here's Gary in Moreno Valley who 0:13:21.210 --> 0:13:26.819 listens to us on K-wave. Thank you, Gary, for calling 888-564-6173. 0:13:26.900 --> 0:13:28.420 What's your question for Brian and Phil? 0:13:30.020 --> 0:13:33.339 Oh yeah, hey, Miranda Phil. My question is, uh, when 0:13:33.340 --> 0:13:35.040 Jesus healed people, 0:13:35.819 --> 0:13:38.660 he would tell them not to tell anybody about it. 0:13:38.900 --> 0:13:40.210 What's the reason behind that? 0:13:41.759 --> 0:13:42.488 What do you think, Brian? 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.119 Well, I think we're told in the scriptures themselves that 0:13:47.119 --> 0:13:53.460 um Jesus was wanting to prevent um 0:13:54.489 --> 0:13:57.290 An effort on the part of the people to take 0:13:57.290 --> 0:13:59.809 him and to make him a king by force. John's 0:13:59.809 --> 0:14:02.368 Gospel actually tells us that when it, uh, I think 0:14:02.369 --> 0:14:04.509 it's in the 6th chapter where it's dealing with Jesus, 0:14:04.929 --> 0:14:08.290 you know, having multiplied, uh, the, the loaves and the 0:14:08.290 --> 0:14:10.020 fishes and um. 0:14:11.059 --> 0:14:15.619 So the people, you know, seeing those miracles, they, they 0:14:15.619 --> 0:14:18.819 were inclined to take him and, you know, to kind 0:14:18.819 --> 0:14:21.020 of force him to um 0:14:22.389 --> 0:14:23.389 Publicly 0:14:24.509 --> 0:14:28.020 Take his position as king. And so I think that 0:14:28.020 --> 0:14:30.910 all of the different times, which are just a 22 0:14:30.910 --> 0:14:35.350 or 3, where he tells people not to, not to 0:14:35.350 --> 0:14:38.199 spread it, um, I think that's the purpose. 0:14:39.910 --> 0:14:43.389 For preventing a premature, um, you know, there, there's God 0:14:43.389 --> 0:14:45.869 has an appointed time where Jesus is going to be 0:14:45.869 --> 0:14:48.670 announced to the nation as the Messiah. And so this 0:14:48.670 --> 0:14:49.249 is like. 0:14:50.239 --> 0:14:54.639 To prevent that from happening prematurely, so, yeah, that's, that, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.759 that is it, and that, and that has like, I 0:14:56.759 --> 0:14:59.079 mean that is the core of it. On top of that, 0:14:59.119 --> 0:15:01.119 we could say like there's all these like little side 0:15:01.119 --> 0:15:03.829 branches that come out from that, the idea that Jesus 0:15:03.829 --> 0:15:07.150 wanted people to understand way more than just miracles, right? 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.119 So miracles weren't gonna be the, the epitome or the 0:15:11.119 --> 0:15:14.850 like the foundation of his ministry wasn't a miracle, and 0:15:14.850 --> 0:15:16.910 people like, like Brian said though, the very core of 0:15:16.910 --> 0:15:18.559 that is, is at that level. The other thing I 0:15:18.559 --> 0:15:19.759 was thinking about too is like. 0:15:20.300 --> 0:15:23.489 Um, he didn't want people to misunderstand his mission. His 0:15:23.489 --> 0:15:26.369 mission wasn't just to do miracles, and that's the John 0:15:26.369 --> 0:15:28.989 6 passage you were talking about, um, but that he 0:15:28.989 --> 0:15:31.869 came to die and that he came to pay for 0:15:31.869 --> 0:15:34.429 the sins of the world. So, he definitely, he didn't 0:15:34.429 --> 0:15:37.139 want to have any mission confusion there. He wanted it 0:15:37.139 --> 0:15:39.110 to be really clear, so nobody was gonna mess with 0:15:39.110 --> 0:15:43.270 the timing that the father had established. It's great. Does 0:15:43.270 --> 0:15:44.110 this help you, Gary? 0:15:45.590 --> 0:15:47.929 Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. All right, 0:15:48.069 --> 0:15:51.989 thanks for calling 888-564. What was that? 0:15:53.220 --> 0:15:55.780 Have a good day. Oh yes, thank you. You too. 0:15:56.210 --> 0:16:00.220 888-564-6173 is the number to call us today here on 0:16:00.220 --> 0:16:03.819 Pastor's Perspective. Gonna be here till 4 o'clock, so call 0:16:03.819 --> 0:16:06.100 in if you've got a question about the Bible, the 0:16:06.100 --> 0:16:09.530 Christian faith, just about anything that's on your mind. You know, I, I, 0:16:09.660 --> 0:16:13.429 I do wanna say something. Um, I can't remember exactly 0:16:13.429 --> 0:16:18.139 who it was, um, but somebody was telling me the 0:16:18.139 --> 0:16:21.258 other day just how much. 0:16:22.199 --> 0:16:26.280 They appreciate Brian Perez hosting this program. 0:16:26.970 --> 0:16:28.929 It was my mom. What a great job. It was 0:16:28.929 --> 0:16:30.960 your mom. You know what? That's, I forgot I ran 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.559 into her at, uh, Target. 0:16:35.079 --> 0:16:39.300 She was buying you, she's buying you a, a new suit. Yes, yes, 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.759 probably a razor not wearing, by the way, he's not 0:16:41.759 --> 0:16:45.819 wearing today, so not at all, uh, it wasn't your mom, 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.679 I can assure you of that. But it was, it 0:16:48.679 --> 0:16:50.439 was a person who, I mean, I thought they were 0:16:50.439 --> 0:16:52.119 talking about me at first because they were just going 0:16:52.119 --> 0:16:55.559 on about Brian just gushing like how amazing he is, 0:16:55.629 --> 0:16:58.759 and I was like, of course. And then Brian's used 0:16:58.759 --> 0:17:00.520 to people talking to him, yeah, of course. And then 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.879 they dropped the Brian Perez thing, and I was like, Oh, 0:17:03.110 --> 0:17:04.020 are you talking about him. 0:17:06.179 --> 0:17:11.970 I am joking about everything except somebody's really complimenting you and, uh, 0:17:11.980 --> 0:17:15.859 I had to agree. I said, Brian is a phenomenal 0:17:15.859 --> 0:17:18.290 host and you know, you weren't always the host of 0:17:18.290 --> 0:17:20.619 this program. That you're gonna say you weren't always phenomenal, 0:17:20.739 --> 0:17:22.679 which I wasn't. No, but you weren't always the host. 0:17:22.719 --> 0:17:26.520 And I think the program went up to another level 0:17:26.700 --> 0:17:29.160 when you stepped into 0:17:29.830 --> 0:17:32.270 When you sat in that seat is what the way 0:17:32.270 --> 0:17:35.099 I'm gonna phrase it. Thank you. It's been nine years now. 0:17:35.349 --> 0:17:38.690 Can you believe that? Are you kidding me? 2017. That 0:17:38.690 --> 0:17:42.310 is August 2017. I still remember that. I would, I, 0:17:42.388 --> 0:17:44.509 I would not have guessed that. I mean that, that 0:17:44.509 --> 0:17:46.989 is crazy, you know, I saw a picture the other 0:17:46.989 --> 0:17:49.859 day actually. I was gonna post it. Um, it was 0:17:49.859 --> 0:17:53.129 Chuck and I sitting in the 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.979 Where were we? We were somewhere in this building. 0:17:58.180 --> 0:17:59.030 And 0:17:59.849 --> 0:18:01.499 But it was, it was before, I think it was 0:18:01.499 --> 0:18:04.300 before the studio was here, I think we were, uh, 0:18:04.379 --> 0:18:08.738 we just had a little makeshift, um, pastor's perspective thing 0:18:08.739 --> 0:18:10.369 set up in, in one of the rooms, you know, 0:18:10.459 --> 0:18:13.300 where we had mics and stuff, but was it, was it, 0:18:13.660 --> 0:18:15.540 had the studio moved here yet? I can't remember. No, 0:18:15.700 --> 0:18:17.708 we definitely were not in the studio. We were in 0:18:17.709 --> 0:18:20.259 just a, a room. Well, remember this studio used to 0:18:20.259 --> 0:18:23.339 be half the size that it was, so from there 0:18:23.339 --> 0:18:23.940 to there. 0:18:24.420 --> 0:18:26.790 There was a wall. There was a studio here. That 0:18:26.790 --> 0:18:28.790 studio was my office, and it was also where I 0:18:28.790 --> 0:18:31.070 did the news in the morning. And then on the 0:18:31.070 --> 0:18:34.469 other side of that was the studio where it was 0:18:34.469 --> 0:18:38.228 a long table with 4 seats, and we didn't have 0:18:38.229 --> 0:18:43.369 all this room. I us. This was probably 2001 or 2002. OK, 0:18:43.830 --> 0:18:45.749 so that was before I got here. Were we here then? 0:18:46.540 --> 0:18:48.320 That was around the time we got here, OK, yeah, 0:18:48.580 --> 0:18:50.889 but anyway, I, I saw this picture, you know, we're 0:18:50.888 --> 0:18:53.700 both wearing Hawaiian shirts and we both are looking really, 0:18:54.209 --> 0:18:57.459 you know, like we just stepped off the Newport Beach. 0:18:57.540 --> 0:19:00.659 I was gonna say off a surfboard, yeah, yeah, but 0:19:00.660 --> 0:19:02.708 it was, it was cool. Just like, oh wow, yeah, 0:19:02.820 --> 0:19:05.859 I for I forgot about, you know, those moments. My, 0:19:05.940 --> 0:19:08.849 my son called me today, uh, Char, and it was 0:19:08.859 --> 0:19:09.259 just so. 0:19:09.499 --> 0:19:12.180 He did an interview today. There's a guy that's writing 0:19:12.180 --> 0:19:16.820 a book on, um, the history of Calvary and so forth, and, and, uh, 0:19:16.900 --> 0:19:18.619 he was telling me, he said, you know, Dad, it 0:19:18.619 --> 0:19:23.320 was just so great to talk to this guy about 0:19:23.700 --> 0:19:24.499 my grandpa. 0:19:24.739 --> 0:19:28.060 And not talk to him about Pastor Chuck or the 0:19:28.060 --> 0:19:31.020 movement or any of that stuff, but just to be 0:19:31.020 --> 0:19:33.919 able to tell him this is who he was to me, 0:19:34.339 --> 0:19:37.040 you know, as my grandpa and I, he, he was, yeah, 0:19:37.138 --> 0:19:39.520 he was, he was really, he said it was really, uh, 0:19:39.820 --> 0:19:45.138 a joyful experience to just reminisce over, you know, just 0:19:45.138 --> 0:19:48.229 the relationship that he had with his grandpa. 0:19:49.570 --> 0:19:55.849 How neat. 888-564-6173. Uh, here's another question that was submitted online. 0:19:55.900 --> 0:19:59.520 This one is from Carol, somewhat of a follow-up question, uh, 0:19:59.690 --> 0:20:04.560 regarding Tuesday's show, uh, this past Tuesday, the 27th of October, 0:20:05.009 --> 0:20:08.700 Pastor Phil said context is king, or maybe he said 0:20:08.700 --> 0:20:11.169 context is key, one of those. But either way, he 0:20:11.170 --> 0:20:14.729 is very right. A church that I went to put 0:20:14.729 --> 0:20:16.580 Luke 6:38. 0:20:16.930 --> 0:20:19.739 On their tithe and offering envelopes, and it made me 0:20:19.739 --> 0:20:21.718 want to get up and shout, this verse has nothing 0:20:21.719 --> 0:20:22.560 to do with money. 0:20:22.888 --> 0:20:25.138 But I was afraid of being escorted off the premises. 0:20:25.430 --> 0:20:29.359 If leaders would read Luke 6:27-42, they would have to 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.320 stop manipulating and getting people's hopes up. Jesus is not 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:37.239 talking about giving money in that verse. Other places, yes, 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.780 but not Luke 6:38. The context is about giving forgiveness 0:20:41.839 --> 0:20:45.560 and mercy and judging rightly. Would you pastors agree with 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.999 this or not? Luke 6:38. 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.320 Well, Luke 6:38, of course, I mean, that's just, you know, 0:20:52.479 --> 0:20:52.849 I 0:20:54.499 --> 0:20:56.660 Wake up in the morning quoting Luke 16 rolls off 0:20:56.660 --> 0:20:59.300 the tongue, doesn't it? It just rolls right off there. Is, 0:20:59.339 --> 0:21:02.379 is this the, um, it will be given to you 0:21:02.379 --> 0:21:06.200 good measure pressed down running over, OK, uh. 0:21:08.930 --> 0:21:12.009 You know, so I, I mean, you know, it's, of course, 0:21:12.089 --> 0:21:15.609 people think these guys are answering the Bible question. So they, 0:21:15.729 --> 0:21:17.599 but the fact that you just did that right now, 0:21:17.729 --> 0:21:19.609 it did just kind of roll off your tongue. He 0:21:19.609 --> 0:21:22.530 did just do that. Yes, yes. Well, you know, I 0:21:22.530 --> 0:21:25.009 had to think like, OK, what, what passages are they 0:21:25.009 --> 0:21:29.629 talking about? But anyway, uh, yes, I think to limit that, 0:21:29.770 --> 0:21:33.369 you know, to, to limit that to just giving financially 0:21:33.369 --> 0:21:36.570 would be a mistake. I think the context makes it much, 0:21:36.729 --> 0:21:37.810 much broader than that. 0:21:38.339 --> 0:21:42.780 So, and Phil's right, context is king or key or 0:21:42.780 --> 0:21:43.379 either one. 0:21:44.869 --> 0:21:49.030 It's both, it's both. Yeah, that context definitely, I mean 0:21:49.030 --> 0:21:52.669 that you have to really twist that passage and you know, 0:21:53.150 --> 0:21:55.388 completely orphan it from the rest of the chapter to 0:21:55.388 --> 0:22:00.430 be able to make that message tithing and you'll receive 0:22:00.430 --> 0:22:03.629 it right back, and uh yeah, that's the, that's where 0:22:03.629 --> 0:22:07.790 context is king and it, it's definitely, contextually, it has 0:22:07.790 --> 0:22:10.089 nothing to do with tithing in that way. 0:22:10.619 --> 0:22:12.669 Is it wrong to use that entire thing? I don't 0:22:12.670 --> 0:22:16.349 think it's wrong, but to make the takeaway, you're gonna 0:22:16.349 --> 0:22:21.099 get back financially what you gave financially. That's a massive, 0:22:21.170 --> 0:22:23.988 massive breach of, of the context. 0:22:24.999 --> 0:22:27.199 Carol, thanks so much for sending in your question through 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.219 the pastor's perspective page at kwave.com. But I must say, 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.599 Pastor Brian, even though you were joking about, you know, 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.570 I don't wake up every morning, the fact that you were, OK, 0:22:36.749 --> 0:22:39.639 Book of Luke chapter 6, verse 30, like in your 0:22:39.638 --> 0:22:43.239 mind you could kind of pinpoint, oh yes, it's the 0:22:43.239 --> 0:22:45.759 verse about this, right? How does, how do you do that? 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.080 How does that happen? Just years of reading. I mean, it's, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:52.560 you know, 50 years of reading my Bible. That's what 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.599 it is. And, and of course, you know. 0:22:55.540 --> 0:22:58.379 The older you get, as you guys will figure out 0:22:58.379 --> 0:23:02.638 as you go, uh, the memory isn't as sharp as 0:23:02.638 --> 0:23:06.849 it once was, so you're like, oh wait, where, um, 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.800 but yeah, thankfully, you know, I, I can still have 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:12.909 pretty good recall. No, I thought that was amazing. I 0:23:12.910 --> 0:23:14.739 wasn't trying to say. 0:23:15.999 --> 0:23:17.959 You couldn't quote the verse. I mean, I was saying you, 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:19.800 you did quote it. You, you knew exactly what it 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.439 was impressive. You're correct. I, I was impressive, especially when 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:24.359 he went on, Oh, I don't wake up and remember 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.468 the verse, but you're talking about the one that says, 0:23:26.599 --> 0:23:29.879 and then he quoted it. That was, uh, that was 0:23:29.879 --> 0:23:31.920 a Chuckism right there. Chuck would go up to our 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:33.920 youth camps, you know, when I was a kid and like. 0:23:34.570 --> 0:23:37.180 I remember one dude getting so mad because Chuck Smith 0:23:37.180 --> 0:23:39.060 went up there and didn't have a Bible, but he 0:23:39.060 --> 0:23:43.759 literally verbatim quoted like the entire story of Daniel. Like, 0:23:43.940 --> 0:23:47.300 we walked through, it felt like 3 chapters of Daniel 0:23:47.300 --> 0:23:50.080 and somebody was like, he didn't have a Bible. It's like, bro. 0:23:50.259 --> 0:23:53.369 He is the Bible. He just quoted. He's he's a 0:23:53.369 --> 0:23:56.659 walking Bible, you know, that where I remember that. I 0:23:56.660 --> 0:23:59.219 mean that happened lots of times like, like you're saying, Phil, 0:23:59.300 --> 0:24:04.200 but I remember so vividly being, being in Israel and 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.570 being at the Sea of Galilee and just, you know, on, 0:24:07.690 --> 0:24:09.780 on one of the hillsides, you know, with a group 0:24:09.780 --> 0:24:10.440 of people. 0:24:10.810 --> 0:24:14.690 And he basically just stood up and he taught the 0:24:14.690 --> 0:24:18.270 whole Sermon on the Mount without ever opening the Bible. 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.888 And it was one of the best, um, expositions of 0:24:22.888 --> 0:24:24.930 the Sermon on the Mount. I remember sitting there just 0:24:24.930 --> 0:24:28.478 thinking this is absolutely phenomenal. He just goes right through 0:24:28.479 --> 0:24:30.530 each of the beatitudes and then from there he just 0:24:30.530 --> 0:24:31.489 keeps going and. 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:36.159 It's like, wow, amazing. So, but he didn't have his Bible. Well, 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.759 he did have his Bible. He just never opened it. Yeah, 0:24:38.959 --> 0:24:41.280 it was, he put it in his heart, but I'll, 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.639 I'll tell you a funny Israel story with Chuck was, um, 0:24:43.759 --> 0:24:45.189 like I think it was the last trip that I 0:24:45.190 --> 0:24:46.920 went with him and I was leading worship. He had 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:48.958 me there to lead worship with him, so I'm, you know, 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.429 around him a lot, and I'd literally pull out my 0:24:51.430 --> 0:24:53.310 guitar and get ready with songs to do, and then 0:24:53.310 --> 0:24:54.530 he would lean over and say, 0:24:55.239 --> 0:24:57.420 And this was, you know, later on, he's like, hey, 0:24:57.520 --> 0:24:58.959 can you play this song? And he would pick some 0:24:58.959 --> 0:25:03.919 like random hymn that we didn't even sing it. I mean, 0:25:03.999 --> 0:25:06.458 I've never heard, and then, and he would do like 0:25:06.459 --> 0:25:08.759 3 or 4 different times, he would like, hey, can 0:25:08.759 --> 0:25:11.400 you play this I'm like, no, I don't know that song. 0:25:11.599 --> 0:25:13.839 He was so mad, he wasn't really mad, but he 0:25:13.839 --> 0:25:17.759 was so perturbed at how limited my worship skills were 0:25:17.759 --> 0:25:21.270 to not knowing how to play, you know, anything other 0:25:21.270 --> 0:25:22.109 than kumbaya. 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:24.669 Yeah, 4 square songs that they used to sing in 0:25:24.670 --> 0:25:26.209 the 1950s. 0:25:28.109 --> 0:25:32.389 Right, exactly. He had a memory, that's for sure. But then, 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.570 so the point that we were making, Brian Broderson, is 0:25:34.570 --> 0:25:37.489 that you're there. You have arrived, you did it. You 0:25:37.489 --> 0:25:39.170 just did that right in front of us. It was 0:25:39.170 --> 0:25:39.989 pretty impressive. 0:25:41.020 --> 0:25:44.270 OK, thank you guys. Now we want you to quote 0:25:44.270 --> 0:25:46.469 the Sermon on the Mount. OK, here we go. We'll 0:25:46.469 --> 0:25:47.580 follow along as you. 0:25:48.499 --> 0:25:51.369 Jesse in Santa Ana listening on K-wave. Thank you for 0:25:51.369 --> 0:25:55.249 calling 888-564-6173. What did you want to know? 0:25:56.999 --> 0:25:59.359 Um, I have a question. It's, it's kind of, uh, 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:01.719 I was reading the book of Job and I've read 0:26:01.719 --> 0:26:04.679 it many times, but this time I really, really trying 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.228 to do a study on it. And I noticed, uh, 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.119 his friends or so-called friends, his three buddies come in 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.149 and they have their little talks and going back and forth, 0:26:13.239 --> 0:26:16.040 back and forth. And then Job has the final word 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.379 of what he's gonna say and he said, I'm done speaking. 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.560 Right after that, then this other young kid, I think 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:22.718 his name was Elihu. 0:26:23.379 --> 0:26:25.899 Comes in and says, well, I'm younger than you. I 0:26:25.900 --> 0:26:28.458 may not have as much knowledge as you, but let 0:26:28.459 --> 0:26:30.820 me say my piece. He said all his words, and 0:26:30.820 --> 0:26:34.520 then God intervened and said, Job, where were you when 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.339 I created the play, you know, all the different things. 0:26:37.739 --> 0:26:39.258 And then at the end, he said, Job, I want 0:26:39.259 --> 0:26:40.979 you to pray for your 3 friends. 0:26:41.719 --> 0:26:44.849 Um, and which he did, but he never mentions Elihu, 0:26:44.888 --> 0:26:47.728 and Ellie who kind of appeared out of nowhere, and 0:26:47.729 --> 0:26:49.770 I don't remember God asking him to pray for him, 0:26:49.780 --> 0:26:52.879 and that was just my question, like, you guys have many, many, 0:26:52.969 --> 0:26:54.249 any more insight on that? 0:26:56.239 --> 0:26:57.249 He wasn't his friend. 0:26:59.979 --> 0:27:02.888 You could tell by the things he said to him. Yeah, well, 0:27:03.138 --> 0:27:06.609 he comes into the picture and you know, he's arrogant 0:27:06.609 --> 0:27:08.888 and he's kind of like a young know it all, 0:27:09.219 --> 0:27:10.699 you know, he says, I don't know as much as 0:27:10.700 --> 0:27:12.989 you guys, but then he basically goes on to say, 0:27:13.180 --> 0:27:15.780 you guys are stupid. I know everything and you should 0:27:15.780 --> 0:27:16.459 listen to me. 0:27:16.888 --> 0:27:18.790 And then when God appears to Job, he says, Who's 0:27:18.790 --> 0:27:21.820 this that darkens counsel with words without knowledge? I think 0:27:21.820 --> 0:27:25.030 he's referring to Elihu. Oh, not all, not all four 0:27:25.030 --> 0:27:26.989 of them. Yeah, not all four of them. Yeah. So he, 0:27:27.270 --> 0:27:29.509 so he kind of just dismisses him. And of course 0:27:29.509 --> 0:27:31.469 the three friends are the ones that are with Job 0:27:31.469 --> 0:27:36.070 throughout the duration. And so I think that's the reason why, um, 0:27:36.190 --> 0:27:39.629 it's the 3 that are to be prayed for. Phil, yeah, 0:27:39.709 --> 0:27:41.509 I agree. I think it, uh, I hadn't thought of 0:27:41.509 --> 0:27:44.149 that first part. I love that. I think deadly accurate. 0:27:44.589 --> 0:27:46.599 But I think that the, you know, again, if you 0:27:46.599 --> 0:27:48.639 read the book of Job, the focus is on the 0:27:48.638 --> 0:27:51.639 three friends. They're the ones that are just always there. 0:27:51.999 --> 0:27:54.359 And so for God to then say, hey, let me 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.020 talk about your three friends, that doesn't have to mean 0:27:57.020 --> 0:27:59.259 that nobody else is included, it's just they were the focus. 0:28:00.129 --> 0:28:00.138 Hm, 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:01.179 what do you think, Jesse? 0:28:01.869 --> 0:28:03.839 I think it's great. Yeah, I just, I never thought 0:28:03.839 --> 0:28:06.910 about it. He was specifically speaking to him alone cause 0:28:06.910 --> 0:28:09.580 I was just kind of curious cause, you know, always 0:28:09.580 --> 0:28:12.508 pray for everybody. Jesus says always, so I kinda like, 0:28:12.589 --> 0:28:14.109 why didn't he pray for him? That kind of just 0:28:14.109 --> 0:28:14.708 threw me off a 0:28:14.709 --> 0:28:15.248 little bit. 0:28:15.790 --> 0:28:20.419 All right, great. Thanks for calling. Um, so Cheryl, Cheryl's 0:28:20.420 --> 0:28:22.609 actually been reading Job the past. 0:28:23.599 --> 0:28:27.129 Week or whatever and so we've been having little uh 0:28:27.129 --> 0:28:30.680 fun Job conversations, but she, she, you know, sometimes my wife, 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:34.270 she just gets the most amazing insights. I'm like how 0:28:34.270 --> 0:28:37.388 did you, um, you know, how did you get that? But, 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.359 but she was saying about the friends of Job and 0:28:39.359 --> 0:28:41.440 I thought, you know, it was a good perspective. She said, 0:28:41.479 --> 0:28:43.950 you know, they, they weren't bad guys, they really were 0:28:43.950 --> 0:28:45.759 trying to help Job. They just didn't know what they 0:28:45.759 --> 0:28:49.920 were talking about and they couldn't imagine, they just couldn't 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:51.060 imagine that you. 0:28:52.369 --> 0:28:57.150 You know, that your life being in such a mess 0:28:58.119 --> 0:29:01.739 couldn't be connected to somehow you, you must have sinned. Job, 0:29:01.820 --> 0:29:04.300 you just have to think harder about it. You have 0:29:04.300 --> 0:29:06.560 to go deeper, you have to be more honest. 0:29:06.950 --> 0:29:08.979 So you know she saw them as, you know, they were, 0:29:09.060 --> 0:29:13.099 they were sincere but they were just completely wrong and 0:29:13.099 --> 0:29:15.459 so I like that. Yeah, I, I, I actually really 0:29:15.459 --> 0:29:17.219 like that. I thought that was good too and then 0:29:17.219 --> 0:29:19.020 she had another cool insight that I'll tell you about 0:29:19.020 --> 0:29:22.170 when we come back. Oh, a cliffhanger, a cliffhanger. We 0:29:22.170 --> 0:29:22.599 love those. 0:29:23.499 --> 0:29:28.479 888-564-6173 is our number. Jesse, thank you for your phone call, 0:29:28.540 --> 0:29:30.339 and we are gonna take a quick break and then 0:29:30.339 --> 0:29:32.820 we'll be back with more of your questions. What do 0:29:32.820 --> 0:29:36.020 you want to ask Pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger? 0:29:36.129 --> 0:29:44.339 Now's your chance. You've got like 30 minutes left. 888-564-6173. 888-564-6173. 0:30:19.910 --> 0:30:25.619 We are back on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number 0:30:25.619 --> 0:30:29.389 to call. Pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger here answering 0:30:29.389 --> 0:30:34.709 your questions. Again, the number 888-564-6173. And this from our 0:30:34.709 --> 0:30:38.670 unofficial historian Deloit. K Wave moved here into this building 0:30:38.670 --> 0:30:40.709 in March of 2002. 0:30:41.940 --> 0:30:44.830 2002, 2002, which means next year will be the 25 0:30:44.830 --> 0:30:48.469 year anniversary of us being in this building. We've been 0:30:48.469 --> 0:30:51.160 on the air for 41 years, but in this building, 0:30:51.580 --> 0:30:53.738 time for a party. That makes sense because like I said, I, 0:30:53.869 --> 0:30:57.430 I think it was about 2001, 2002 that that picture 0:30:57.430 --> 0:30:58.349 of us, yeah. 0:30:59.359 --> 0:31:05.560 Fun stuff, right? All right, let's go back to the phones. 888-564-6173. 0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:10.839 Gonna talk to Brenda. Whoops, Brenda. Hi, Brenda, what's your 0:31:10.839 --> 0:31:11.479 question for us today? 0:31:13.050 --> 0:31:17.690 Hi. Thank you for this ministry. Um, I'm studying 1 0:31:17.690 --> 0:31:24.099 Samuel 16. I just wanted clarification on verse 14. Now, 0:31:24.129 --> 0:31:27.410 the spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul and 0:31:27.410 --> 0:31:31.489 an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him. 0:31:32.489 --> 0:31:36.030 Is this because it's like a vacuum and the spirit, uh, 0:31:36.089 --> 0:31:41.209 Holy Spirit left Saul and inner David, or is God 0:31:41.209 --> 0:31:43.170 directing evil spirits? 0:31:44.129 --> 0:31:45.209 Hm, what do you think, Phil? 0:31:45.859 --> 0:31:48.499 I think this should speak more to like God allowed 0:31:48.499 --> 0:31:52.040 rather than God like forced, but God allowed a a 0:31:52.050 --> 0:31:55.459 a tormenting spirit. And so, yeah, does that make sense? 0:31:55.469 --> 0:31:58.070 Like it's not a um it's not God's spirit, but 0:31:58.070 --> 0:32:01.560 a demonic, a demonic thing and God allowed that to happen. 0:32:04.999 --> 0:32:09.989 Brenda, OK, yeah, so, and it, it sounds like from 0:32:10.009 --> 0:32:13.570 below the evil spirit would leave him when David was 0:32:13.570 --> 0:32:16.489 playing the harp and then apparently would come back and 0:32:16.489 --> 0:32:19.170 then they would call for David again. 0:32:20.030 --> 0:32:20.889 But it's 0:32:21.670 --> 0:32:23.310 Alright, just allowed. 0:32:25.030 --> 0:32:27.629 What do you think, Brian? Yeah, I think, you know, 0:32:27.709 --> 0:32:30.310 I mean, it says specifically that the spirit of the 0:32:30.310 --> 0:32:34.349 Lord departed from Saul and then an evil spirit, and 0:32:34.349 --> 0:32:37.790 I think it's almost like the um. 0:32:38.509 --> 0:32:41.709 You know, the protection of the of the spirit of 0:32:41.709 --> 0:32:46.139 God is removed from Saul. And so now Saul is, um, 0:32:46.270 --> 0:32:51.349 you know, he's subject to these, um, demonic, uh, spirits 0:32:51.349 --> 0:32:55.400 harassing him, which of course he's given himself over to 0:32:55.910 --> 0:33:03.320 because when Samuel rebuke rebukes Saul, uh, he tells him that, uh, 0:33:03.430 --> 0:33:05.129 his disobedience. 0:33:05.670 --> 0:33:11.229 is equivalent to witchcraft, he says uh for. 0:33:11.940 --> 0:33:16.999 Um, rebellion is, what, what, what are the words, but 0:33:17.180 --> 0:33:22.389 something as iniquity and a rebellion is as witchcraft. So 0:33:22.389 --> 0:33:26.379 he's giving himself over to the demonic by, by rebelling 0:33:26.379 --> 0:33:28.820 against God's word. And so now this is just kind 0:33:28.820 --> 0:33:31.859 of like the natural consequence of doing that. 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:34.009 Does this help you, Brenda? 0:33:35.009 --> 0:33:38.489 Yeah, all right, thank you. Awesome. Thanks for calling us 0:33:38.489 --> 0:33:42.369 today at 888-564-6173. Let's 0:33:43.639 --> 0:33:45.749 Dive a little deeper with that. So what does that 0:33:45.749 --> 0:33:49.320 say about maybe the power of music, or is this 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.869 something that was just for that time, or, you know, 0:33:51.950 --> 0:33:56.400 when you feel tormented or something, uh, will turning on 0:33:56.400 --> 0:34:01.989 K-wave weekend praise all of a sudden alleviate your, your torment, or, 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.800 or does it, is it only certain types of music 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.719 that might do it, if at all? What do you 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:09.440 guys think, Phil? 0:34:10.129 --> 0:34:12.609 I, I think, um, I think it, you're, you're talking 0:34:12.609 --> 0:34:15.200 in varying degrees of, I, I don't wanna use the 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.159 word torment, but since that's the word used there, tormenting spirit, 0:34:18.649 --> 0:34:21.850 you know, for some people like, and we all know 0:34:21.850 --> 0:34:24.090 this to be true, like, if you're just having like 0:34:24.090 --> 0:34:28.049 seasonal depression, then like music, of course, can be really uplifting. 0:34:28.689 --> 0:34:31.330 Right, or for other people, like certain songs in kind 0:34:31.330 --> 0:34:34.130 of invoke like a evoke like a torment as well, 0:34:34.248 --> 0:34:35.729 you know, right? Like, oh my gosh, I broke up 0:34:35.729 --> 0:34:37.850 to my, my girlfriend dumped me and that was the 0:34:37.850 --> 0:34:40.300 song that was playing or whatever. So there's like a, a, 0:34:40.330 --> 0:34:44.969 a lower level of like emotional, spiritual kind of emotional. 0:34:45.209 --> 0:34:46.979 torment that we all feel that like I think music 0:34:46.979 --> 0:34:49.520 does have a, an up and down. I would, I 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.719 would say at the very top of that, what we're 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.320 talking about with Saul and with David is not necessarily, 0:34:55.479 --> 0:34:57.919 at least this is my opinion, it's not necessarily the 0:34:57.919 --> 0:35:01.600 music itself, but that the spirit was in that. 0:35:02.009 --> 0:35:05.090 As David is worshiping, as David is, is singing to 0:35:05.090 --> 0:35:08.169 the Lord, there's like the spirit was in it, and that, 0:35:08.489 --> 0:35:11.009 that is what Saul was missing in his life, was 0:35:11.009 --> 0:35:14.810 the presence of God to bring peace. He had rejected 0:35:14.810 --> 0:35:17.810 the Lord and was constantly being tormented. So I, I 0:35:17.810 --> 0:35:20.649 would say it at that level. Though I do shout out, 0:35:20.748 --> 0:35:24.229 I think good worship can always change our emotional state, 0:35:24.570 --> 0:35:27.189 but in terms of like spiritual torment, I would say, 0:35:27.530 --> 0:35:30.020 you know, that's the presence of God in music. 0:35:31.919 --> 0:35:34.469 That's not, that's a great answer. That's a great insight 0:35:34.469 --> 0:35:36.709 to that, that last part, that the part that you 0:35:36.709 --> 0:35:41.149 had before, um, of the fact that the spirit is 0:35:41.149 --> 0:35:45.109 with David and so David's presence in the spirit through David, 0:35:45.189 --> 0:35:48.748 that's what's having the, the calming effect on Saul. I 0:35:48.748 --> 0:35:50.498 think that's really good. That's a great insight. 0:35:51.530 --> 0:35:54.060 Well, because you, you think later when like when, when 0:35:54.060 --> 0:35:56.560 Saul's chasing David and like David like would go in 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.179 and grab the staff and grab a part of the robe, 0:35:59.419 --> 0:36:01.780 it was like the only time that Saul seemed reasonable 0:36:01.780 --> 0:36:04.300 all of a sudden. Oh my, oh my son, he 0:36:04.300 --> 0:36:07.229 seemed like it was like the calming presence of God 0:36:07.419 --> 0:36:09.870 in the life of David, and it was no music 0:36:09.870 --> 0:36:10.989 at that time, so no. 0:36:12.149 --> 0:36:15.469 All right. Another call now, this one from Ron and 0:36:15.469 --> 0:36:19.350 Tribuco Canyon, watching us on YouTube. Hey there, Ron, welcome 0:36:19.350 --> 0:36:20.630 to Pastor's Perspective. 0:36:22.300 --> 0:36:25.658 Hello pastors, thank you for taking my call. Um, I 0:36:25.659 --> 0:36:29.020 had a question. I just wanted your thoughts on it. Um, 0:36:29.498 --> 0:36:32.380 I was reading through Revelation lately, and I, you know, 0:36:32.419 --> 0:36:34.580 I've read it many times over the years, and I've 0:36:34.580 --> 0:36:39.499 always kind of assumed that when Babylon falls, that it 0:36:39.498 --> 0:36:42.459 was God who judged it and destroyed it. 0:36:43.179 --> 0:36:48.029 Uh, and primarily because in 188, uh, it sort of 0:36:48.030 --> 0:36:51.479 says for these reasons, the plagues will come, pestilence, morning famine, 0:36:51.590 --> 0:36:53.749 she'll be burned with fire, for the Lord God who 0:36:53.748 --> 0:36:54.890 judges her is strong. 0:36:55.679 --> 0:36:58.439 But I happened to notice a couple weeks ago when 0:36:58.439 --> 0:37:00.860 I was reading through it in 17. 0:37:01.469 --> 0:37:05.830 It says that at the end of 17, um, 0:37:07.830 --> 0:37:12.989 In verse 17, chapter 17, and the end of verse 16, 0:37:13.110 --> 0:37:16.989 the beast, uh, and the 10 the beast and the 0:37:16.989 --> 0:37:20.949 10 horns will hate the harlot and make her desolate, naked, 0:37:21.060 --> 0:37:22.989 eat her flesh and burn her with fire, for the 0:37:22.989 --> 0:37:26.350 Lord God has, uh, put it in their hearts to 0:37:26.350 --> 0:37:30.989 execute his purpose. So is God using the beast to 0:37:30.989 --> 0:37:34.908 judge Babylon? I kind of thought the beast was the 0:37:34.909 --> 0:37:36.380 creator of Babylon, but 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:38.649 Maybe you could help me understand. 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:43.810 Brian, um, yeah, those are great questions, Ron, and this, 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:51.669 this is one of the more difficult passages of scripture to, 0:37:51.919 --> 0:37:55.469 to really untangle and um. 0:37:56.380 --> 0:37:58.399 I, I, I think here. 0:37:59.179 --> 0:38:03.399 You do have, it seems like 17 and 18, you 0:38:03.399 --> 0:38:08.419 have different facets of Babylon, where 18 is clearly the 0:38:08.419 --> 0:38:08.969 um 0:38:10.189 --> 0:38:15.640 Uh, like, like the economic and, um, you know, all 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.239 of the, it's all, it's all about the trade and 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:22.620 everything that's going to be destroyed. And, and, um, you know, the, the, 0:38:22.689 --> 0:38:25.999 the part of it that is what you just might 0:38:25.998 --> 0:38:29.719 say the secular aspect of it. But then it seems 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:34.130 like 17 is addressing more like the spiritual nature of it. 0:38:35.959 --> 0:38:38.248 So it's a two-sided thing. It's a 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.040 Um, there's a spiritual element to it. This is where 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:45.080 some people in the, in the past would see something 0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:46.300 like um. 0:38:47.709 --> 0:38:51.409 You know, in the end, people used to make reference to, 0:38:51.748 --> 0:38:55.409 you know, thinking, thinking it was Rome, thinking that the, the, 0:38:55.790 --> 0:39:01.009 the whore herself would be like, um, the church, the, 0:39:01.070 --> 0:39:05.270 the apostate Church. And so it's the apostate Church that 0:39:05.270 --> 0:39:09.100 is actually the one that's coming under the judgment, um, 0:39:09.469 --> 0:39:12.850 by God, but through these, um, through these kings that 0:39:12.850 --> 0:39:13.739 take over the 0:39:14.370 --> 0:39:20.120 You know, just the more um secular aspect of everything. So, it's, 0:39:20.130 --> 0:39:22.129 it's kind of like at this point, um, 0:39:23.100 --> 0:39:25.070 Let's just say for argument's sake. So let's just say 0:39:25.070 --> 0:39:27.370 there is an apostate church that plays a big role 0:39:27.590 --> 0:39:30.390 in this. There's a certain point where that's just eliminated. 0:39:30.989 --> 0:39:34.520 And now it's just pure, because you know, the kingdom 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:37.390 of the antichrist is going to come down to the 0:39:37.390 --> 0:39:40.199 worship of the beast himself. So there's not going to 0:39:40.199 --> 0:39:43.600 be any allowance for the worship of anything else. And 0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.640 so it could be that this is what's being referred 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:50.620 to there. And as I said, could be, because it's, 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:54.830 it's very difficult to say, you know, with any certainty exactly, 0:39:54.959 --> 0:39:56.199 you know, what is happening there. 0:39:56.929 --> 0:39:57.810 Does this help you, Ron? 0:39:59.590 --> 0:40:00.419 Yeah, I mean it, 0:40:00.469 --> 0:40:05.310 it sort of almost made me think that the Babylon 0:40:05.310 --> 0:40:09.999 represents the false church, false religion. God has the beast 0:40:09.998 --> 0:40:14.149 destroy that to worship him, and then at the end 0:40:14.149 --> 0:40:17.469 of 18, God destroys him. So it's like all sort 0:40:17.469 --> 0:40:19.830 of cascades to a final end, but 0:40:19.830 --> 0:40:20.350 that's just 0:40:20.350 --> 0:40:21.089 my. 0:40:21.649 --> 0:40:27.339 Yeah, and it's, you know, another difficulty is that you have, um, in, 0:40:27.419 --> 0:40:30.259 in Revelation, even, you know, back in 13, you, you 0:40:30.259 --> 0:40:36.540 do have like parts where is it the kind of 0:40:36.540 --> 0:40:37.520 like the kingdom. 0:40:38.630 --> 0:40:40.908 So let's just say you have a revived, let's just 0:40:40.909 --> 0:40:43.929 say for argument's sake, you have a revived Roman Empire. 0:40:44.390 --> 0:40:47.669 Is so when the beast is being referred to, is 0:40:47.669 --> 0:40:51.589 it the empire or is it the, the emperor? So, 0:40:51.669 --> 0:40:54.310 and I think sometimes there's a, there's a, there's a 0:40:54.310 --> 0:40:57.790 blending between the two. And it's hard to distinguish between 0:40:57.790 --> 0:41:01.429 is this the individual leader, or is this the empire 0:41:01.429 --> 0:41:03.390 that is revived. So. 0:41:07.100 --> 0:41:10.580 Ron, thank you for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective. OK, 0:41:10.759 --> 0:41:13.060 remember I told you about, yeah, I just wrote it 0:41:13.060 --> 0:41:14.939 down because I remembered that we were supposed to come 0:41:14.939 --> 0:41:18.089 back from the break. OK, and it's not that big 0:41:18.090 --> 0:41:21.299 of a deal, but, um, you know, in the, in 0:41:21.300 --> 0:41:28.600 the Job story, I have read, strangely enough, that Elihu 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.219 is supposed to be a type of Christ. 0:41:31.969 --> 0:41:35.299 And you know, some commentators have said that. And then 0:41:35.300 --> 0:41:36.530 when you read it, you're like, 0:41:37.330 --> 0:41:39.049 What? Yeah, I mean. 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.959 How, how could they get that? So, uh, so just 0:41:42.959 --> 0:41:45.840 in our conversations, Cheryl and I, she said, and do 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.419 you know that some people try to say that Eli, Eli, 0:41:48.429 --> 0:41:49.830 who is a type of Christ, that is the most 0:41:49.830 --> 0:41:52.080 ridiculous thing in the world. And I thought, you know what? 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.159 You're right, honey, that is a ridiculous. 0:41:56.199 --> 0:41:59.360 Perspective, but you know, it's funny what you'll read in 0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:03.759 Bible commentary sometimes that people thought you're like, wait, how 0:42:03.759 --> 0:42:04.560 did you think that? 0:42:05.439 --> 0:42:09.649 Now everybody tonight is gonna go read Job chapters 332 0:42:09.649 --> 0:42:13.560 through 37 to see how in the world, I mean, how, 0:42:13.679 --> 0:42:15.949 why do people think that though? I, it could be 0:42:15.949 --> 0:42:18.800 some commentators said it one time and then somebody else 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:22.189 thought it sounded possible. What examples or do you know 0:42:22.189 --> 0:42:23.759 any of that? What, well, it's a. 0:42:23.870 --> 0:42:26.140 You know, supposedly here, you know, these guys are all 0:42:26.140 --> 0:42:29.949 exhausted with none of the right answers, and now this 0:42:29.949 --> 0:42:32.709 person comes on and he claims to be, you know, 0:42:32.909 --> 0:42:35.100 full of wisdom, and I'm gonna sort it all out 0:42:35.100 --> 0:42:37.428 for you. So I, I don't know. I mean, it's 0:42:37.429 --> 0:42:40.189 like the, the, you know, the publisher should have read 0:42:40.189 --> 0:42:43.799 that paragraph in that commentary and said, uh, let's leave 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:44.659 this out. Let's leave that, yeah, yeah. 0:42:47.759 --> 0:42:51.989 So, good idea. All right, uh, Christian and Pomona listening 0:42:51.989 --> 0:42:54.999 on K Wave. Hello. What's your question for pastors Brian 0:42:54.998 --> 0:42:55.800 and Phil Metzko today? 0:42:57.390 --> 0:43:00.948 Good evening, pastors. Um, a while ago, you folks were 0:43:00.949 --> 0:43:03.979 talking about, um, Luke 6:38. 0:43:04.070 --> 0:43:05.830 Oh yeah, that was, uh, earlier in the program. 0:43:06.959 --> 0:43:11.600 Yeah, used to justify tithing. Well, how do we compare 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:19.669 that against Malachi 3:10, which encourages giving for the apparent 0:43:19.669 --> 0:43:25.120 purpose of being blessed in manifold blessings. Um, how do 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:29.860 we reconcile those two scriptures to avoid any contradiction? 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:31.640 OK, Phil, what say you? 0:43:32.248 --> 0:43:34.249 Yeah, I, I would say it's a great question, thanks, 0:43:34.330 --> 0:43:36.290 and thank you for asking it. It's, it's, it's good 0:43:36.290 --> 0:43:38.679 to see that. So in Malachi, I would say the 0:43:38.679 --> 0:43:41.209 difference between Luke 6, at least the way that people have, 0:43:41.290 --> 0:43:43.428 when they try to take that out of context, which again, 0:43:43.570 --> 0:43:45.290 if you keep it in the context, you won't have 0:43:45.290 --> 0:43:47.609 to worry about that. If you take it out of context, 0:43:47.850 --> 0:43:49.529 what you're doing is you're trying to make it a 0:43:49.530 --> 0:43:55.290 reciprocal relationship. I give $10 I get $10 or I 0:43:55.290 --> 0:43:57.729 get that back, where Malachi, 0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:01.520 is very explicit in the idea that like, as you give, 0:44:01.770 --> 0:44:03.090 God is gonna bless you. 0:44:03.969 --> 0:44:08.830 It isn't a reciprocated, like a a direct reciprocation where 0:44:08.830 --> 0:44:11.610 I gave shekels, I get back shekels, I gave dollars, 0:44:11.689 --> 0:44:14.179 I get back dollars. It means as I give of 0:44:14.179 --> 0:44:16.248 what God's given to me, he is going to be 0:44:16.248 --> 0:44:19.679 blessing my life, and that is a promise, that is 0:44:19.679 --> 0:44:23.449 a guarantee. God will never be outgiven by us. He 0:44:23.449 --> 0:44:26.870 will bless us, but when we, when we make that. 0:44:26.929 --> 0:44:29.050 Out of context in Luke 6, it's as if I 0:44:29.050 --> 0:44:31.488 gave money and I'm, I'm gonna, it's better than the 0:44:31.489 --> 0:44:33.649 stock market. I'm gonna get that same thing back and 0:44:33.649 --> 0:44:37.649 that's unbiblical. But it's, but it's even, you know, it's 0:44:37.649 --> 0:44:41.919 not even exactly that, Phil, because especially in the prosperity world, 0:44:41.969 --> 0:44:48.259 it's give 10, get 1000. Right? Exactly. That's the big draw, 0:44:48.370 --> 0:44:49.709 you know, exactly. 0:44:50.689 --> 0:44:53.780 We all agree you give, you give 10, God's going 0:44:53.780 --> 0:44:56.479 to bless your life, but it may not come back 0:44:56.479 --> 0:44:58.839 in the, in the, um, it might not be a Benjamin, 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:00.759 you know, or, or anything like that, you know. 0:45:02.090 --> 0:45:03.209 Does this help you, Christian? 0:45:04.370 --> 0:45:07.290 It does. You know, I was just guessing, but you 0:45:07.290 --> 0:45:10.890 guys nailed it exactly where I had it. So thank you. 0:45:11.009 --> 0:45:14.609 And one more thing, um, I wanna thank Michael David 0:45:14.610 --> 0:45:18.110 because I was saying, um, Luke 8:38, and he knew 0:45:18.110 --> 0:45:19.830 that it was 6:38. So, 0:45:20.090 --> 0:45:23.580 uh, that Michael David Bible scholar there. Yeah, you gotta watch. 0:45:24.449 --> 0:45:26.409 That's why we have him around. That's right, can keep 0:45:26.409 --> 0:45:26.909 us all. 0:45:27.540 --> 0:45:29.949 We gotta have a, a, a match between you and 0:45:30.070 --> 0:45:35.489 you and Mike to see who can find the addresses quicker. Uh, well, 0:45:36.070 --> 0:45:36.929 I know the 0:45:37.899 --> 0:45:38.429 General 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:39.709 location. 0:45:40.679 --> 0:45:44.969 But I've kind of lost the address thing. That's how 0:45:44.969 --> 0:45:48.709 it goes. The address goes. I know the street. 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:52.299 Somewhere over here in this vicinity. 0:45:53.479 --> 0:45:55.739 I like that. That's a good, that's a good description. 0:45:56.600 --> 0:46:00.479 Scott in Menefee watching us on YouTube. Hi Scott, waving 0:46:00.479 --> 0:46:01.560 at you there. Uh, thanks 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:01.719 for 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:01.939 calling 0:46:01.939 --> 0:46:04.439 888-564-6173. 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:05.729 What did you want to ask today? 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.439 Hey, how are you doing guys? I really appreciate your ministry. 0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:10.419 I've been listening. 0:46:11.729 --> 0:46:15.590 I, I told, uh, Michael David probably 30 or 40 years. 0:46:15.739 --> 0:46:17.620 Oh my goodness, whoa, that is 0:46:17.620 --> 0:46:21.498 great. Hannagraph was honored. remember Hank Hanagraph, was that him? 0:46:22.540 --> 0:46:25.459 Yeah, Hank, before, yeah, Hank was around, yeah, and that's how, 0:46:25.580 --> 0:46:28.499 how far back it, how far back it goes. Anyhow, 0:46:28.540 --> 0:46:31.259 my question is, uh, I listen to a couple of 0:46:31.259 --> 0:46:33.698 Catholic channels just because I kind of, when I'm listening 0:46:33.699 --> 0:46:35.640 to the radio as I'm driving, I think, well, 0:46:36.219 --> 0:46:37.899 You know, it's better to listen to that if I 0:46:37.899 --> 0:46:41.100 can't get anything else, uh, you know, and some of them, 0:46:41.259 --> 0:46:43.779 some of the shows are pretty good, but I, what 0:46:43.780 --> 0:46:46.580 my question was about, and this came up on one 0:46:46.580 --> 0:46:50.219 of the shows, my question was one of about the 0:46:50.219 --> 0:46:53.259 perpetual virginity of, uh, of Mary. 0:46:54.350 --> 0:46:57.879 And what came to mind are the scriptures I think 0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.479 that they, they, uh, put out there was, and let 0:47:01.479 --> 0:47:02.439 me see if I. 0:47:03.300 --> 0:47:08.819 Just lost my page here. Oh boy. Anyhow, talks about 0:47:08.820 --> 0:47:12.020 how when Jesus was uh uh uh uh on the 0:47:12.020 --> 0:47:14.620 cross and he looked to his mother. 0:47:15.330 --> 0:47:17.050 And he looked to John. 0:47:17.830 --> 0:47:22.029 The beloved, and he said to his mother, to John, 0:47:22.100 --> 0:47:24.810 this is your mother, and to Mary, this is your son. 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:30.439 And what they were discussing, they were saying that in that, 0:47:30.540 --> 0:47:34.669 that society back then, or, you know, the custom wouldn't 0:47:34.669 --> 0:47:37.969 be to give your mother a way to live with 0:47:37.969 --> 0:47:40.020 somebody that's not part of your family. 0:47:41.498 --> 0:47:46.020 And I'm thinking, well, did he do that because there 0:47:46.020 --> 0:47:47.620 wasn't anybody else but him. 0:47:48.570 --> 0:47:51.489 You know, he was the only son, meaning Jesus. 0:47:52.229 --> 0:47:52.239 Hm. 0:47:54.060 --> 0:47:54.989 Does that make sense? 0:47:55.770 --> 0:47:59.679 Yes, that doesn't make sense. And um I read that 0:47:59.679 --> 0:48:03.880 passage this morning actually. The the um. 0:48:05.770 --> 0:48:07.839 You know, I think, I think what's happening there is 0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:08.360 that 0:48:09.090 --> 0:48:12.319 At this stage, you have to remember that the brothers 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:17.249 of Jesus are not believers at this stage. Um, and so, 0:48:17.449 --> 0:48:21.870 of course, John is, and there's there's speculation that John 0:48:21.870 --> 0:48:25.699 and Jesus were cousins. We don't know that that is 0:48:25.780 --> 0:48:28.259 actually the case, but you know, there are those who 0:48:28.259 --> 0:48:32.390 think that um there's the reference to Mary's sister and 0:48:32.390 --> 0:48:34.569 um there are those who think that the sister of 0:48:34.570 --> 0:48:37.219 Mary was the mother of James and John. Um, whether 0:48:37.219 --> 0:48:37.870 or not that's 0:48:38.370 --> 0:48:42.800 True, we, we can't prove that one way or the other, but, um, 0:48:42.899 --> 0:48:45.899 we know that, you know, Jesus, of course, had a 0:48:45.899 --> 0:48:49.149 special relationship with John that is hinted at throughout the 0:48:49.149 --> 0:48:53.390 Gospel of John, and then I think it's simply the 0:48:53.580 --> 0:49:00.270 the responsibility of the family was upon the firstborn son. 0:49:00.820 --> 0:49:03.499 So now Jesus is departing. 0:49:04.110 --> 0:49:08.540 And he's passing on that responsibility to John because like 0:49:08.540 --> 0:49:11.880 I said, at the present moment there are no, it's 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.040 not that he doesn't have brothers because we know he 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:17.719 does have brothers from other passages. The Catholic Church would 0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:20.520 say that, oh well, those references to brothers are not, 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:24.179 they're not actual brothers, they're more like cousins. Well, no, 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.459 I mean there is a word for cousin in Greek 0:49:26.459 --> 0:49:28.959 and the the word that's used there is not a 0:49:28.959 --> 0:49:32.029 word for cousin, it's a word for brother. So, um, 0:49:33.540 --> 0:49:35.790 Yeah, I think that's what's going on there. 0:49:36.780 --> 0:49:38.810 Does that help you, Scott? Yeah, 0:49:39.380 --> 0:49:43.540 yeah, I was just looking also at, uh, uh, Matthew 0:49:43.540 --> 0:49:49.620 13:55 where it says, isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't 0:49:49.620 --> 0:49:54.299 his mother's name Mary and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, 0:49:54.380 --> 0:49:56.299 and Judas? Right, exactly. 0:49:56.959 --> 0:49:59.380 That, yeah, I, so that's kind of a good 0:50:00.340 --> 0:50:02.679 too, yeah, and the James, the James and the Judas 0:50:02.679 --> 0:50:06.469 there are the authors of the epistle of James and 0:50:06.469 --> 0:50:07.479 the letter of Jude. 0:50:08.590 --> 0:50:12.860 So then the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is taught 0:50:12.860 --> 0:50:16.428 by the Roman Catholic Church, yeah, well, this is, I 0:50:16.429 --> 0:50:19.630 think it's, this is part of the Roman Catholic mythology, 0:50:19.790 --> 0:50:22.530 you know, that there's the, the, the idea that somehow, 0:50:23.310 --> 0:50:26.070 so the, the, the immaculate conception is the idea that 0:50:26.070 --> 0:50:30.630 Mary was also born sinless and because she had to 0:50:30.630 --> 0:50:33.799 be born sinless in order to have a sinless son 0:50:34.429 --> 0:50:37.189 and then, um, that. 0:50:38.659 --> 0:50:40.379 You know, then the. 0:50:40.989 --> 0:50:45.830 The incarnation, the virgin birth, somehow, um, you know, she 0:50:45.830 --> 0:50:47.870 remains a virgin because she doesn't. 0:50:49.100 --> 0:50:53.248 Have any other children, um, but she does have a husband, 0:50:53.649 --> 0:50:57.248 you know Joseph is her husband and Matthew specifically tells 0:50:57.248 --> 0:51:00.909 us that they did not have a sexual relationship until. 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:05.199 The birth of Jesus and a till means yes there 0:51:05.199 --> 0:51:08.159 was a till there or whatever. Phil, any thoughts? 0:51:09.009 --> 0:51:11.320 I know, I think every bit of that was great, 0:51:11.489 --> 0:51:14.530 good answers. I love that. I just taught that passage 0:51:14.530 --> 0:51:17.199 in John too. It's so powerful. Yeah, yeah, I was 0:51:17.199 --> 0:51:19.030 reading this today. I just thought, wow, you know. 0:51:20.748 --> 0:51:24.948 Melinda and Murrieta, you are up next on Pastor's Perspective. Hi. 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:26.880 Hi, how are 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.979 you? Doing well, thanks. What did you want to know? 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:31.949 Um, I just have a question. I know that, um, 0:51:31.998 --> 0:51:34.229 in the Bible, it says that yes, God gives, um, 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:37.689 spiritual insight and wisdom to, um, those who seek it, 0:51:37.790 --> 0:51:41.080 but I have had this like, I, it's kind of 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:44.589 scary to see on, um, national, like radio, but, uh, 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.699 like 1/6 sense of like a scene is like spice of, um, 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:49.319 like death. 0:51:49.998 --> 0:51:52.810 And whenever I see it, usually somebody dies within that 0:51:52.810 --> 0:51:54.850 person dies within like a couple of months. I don't 0:51:54.850 --> 0:51:56.689 know if it's because I'm close to them, but do 0:51:56.689 --> 0:51:59.209 you think that is like of God, or do you 0:51:59.209 --> 0:52:00.860 think that is of the devil? 0:52:01.370 --> 0:52:02.540 Phil Metzger, what do you think? 0:52:04.030 --> 0:52:06.669 Well, um, I don't think those are our only two choices. 0:52:06.748 --> 0:52:09.189 That's where I would start. I don't think the two 0:52:09.189 --> 0:52:11.749 choices are, it's either God or the devil, not to, 0:52:11.890 --> 0:52:14.429 you know, kind of minimize your experiences, but you also 0:52:14.429 --> 0:52:17.790 got to account for how the brain can play some 0:52:17.790 --> 0:52:21.270 pretty wonky tricks on us, like, you know, the idea 0:52:21.270 --> 0:52:24.149 of deja vu, for instance, is the concept of, I 0:52:24.149 --> 0:52:27.790 have a short-term memory that, that, that my brain wires 0:52:27.790 --> 0:52:30.229 into my long-term memory bank, so it makes me feel 0:52:30.229 --> 0:52:31.969 like I've known that forever. 0:52:32.350 --> 0:52:34.339 And so, you know, when, when we say, oh, I 0:52:34.340 --> 0:52:37.830 have 1/6 sense of something, you might be having this 0:52:37.830 --> 0:52:41.189 long-term brain wiring that made you feel like I've had 0:52:41.189 --> 0:52:43.590 this thought about that, but it only happened after that 0:52:43.590 --> 0:52:46.030 person died, but then your brain is telling you it 0:52:46.030 --> 0:52:48.429 happened months before. I'm not trying to say that that's 0:52:48.429 --> 0:52:51.229 what you've done. I'm just simply saying there's probably more 0:52:51.229 --> 0:52:55.290 than those two options. Obviously, the easy answer would be, um, 0:52:55.669 --> 0:52:57.909 if it happened, then it could be from God. If 0:52:57.909 --> 0:53:00.069 it didn't happen, then it's definitely not from God, cause 0:53:00.070 --> 0:53:01.570 God ain't gonna lie about anything. 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.679 And what good did that accomplish? Is there a, is 0:53:04.679 --> 0:53:07.080 there a spiritual value to that? God's not giving a 0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.399 sense for things that doesn't have value. So if it 0:53:10.399 --> 0:53:13.439 has eternal value, maybe it, it turned you to go 0:53:13.439 --> 0:53:15.959 share Christ with that person or whatnot, then, then I 0:53:15.959 --> 0:53:17.840 would say that could be from the Lord. If it's 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:22.189 purely informational, I think the devil loves information, um, God 0:53:22.189 --> 0:53:24.989 loves restoration. So I, I, I think those two things 0:53:24.989 --> 0:53:29.120 are very different. 90 seconds, Brian. Oh, go ahead, Melinda. 0:53:29.159 --> 0:53:29.540 I'm sorry. 0:53:30.550 --> 0:53:33.189 Sorry, I cut you off too. Um, no, I, that's 0:53:33.189 --> 0:53:35.149 a different perspective. I've never looked at it cause, you know, 0:53:35.229 --> 0:53:37.390 I used to write letters and like my uncle passed 0:53:37.390 --> 0:53:39.229 away and then I would write a letter before he 0:53:39.229 --> 0:53:41.870 even passed away and it would tell my dad that, hey, 0:53:42.030 --> 0:53:44.050 like when he was alive, like, you know, I saw 0:53:44.350 --> 0:53:47.469 Uncle Delbert die and maybe my sister's listening right now too, 0:53:47.550 --> 0:53:51.129 but um, uh, yeah, but then he would pass away. 0:53:51.149 --> 0:53:53.709 And then my sister, same thing with my sister, and 0:53:53.870 --> 0:53:57.159 I don't think it was um maybe because of. 0:53:58.340 --> 0:54:01.209 Uh, like, yeah, just for information, but maybe, yeah, maybe 0:54:01.209 --> 0:54:04.300 it was because those families needed to say like, you know, 0:54:04.419 --> 0:54:06.949 goodbye and lead them to Christ because my family's always been, 0:54:07.060 --> 0:54:09.499 you know, believers in the Lord Jesus Christ as our 0:54:09.498 --> 0:54:12.969 savior ever since we were children, so I think that, um, yeah, 0:54:13.110 --> 0:54:15.140 maybe it was a different perspective I've never saw like 0:54:15.140 --> 0:54:17.939 when I was younger, so, but thank you so much 0:54:17.939 --> 0:54:18.859 for that information. 0:54:19.780 --> 0:54:22.469 One minute, Brian. That's great. No, I would just say, I, I, 0:54:22.580 --> 0:54:25.509 I would just say it's not the devil. So, because 0:54:25.509 --> 0:54:27.669 the devil doesn't know when people are gonna die. He's 0:54:27.669 --> 0:54:31.429 not in charge. God is in charge. So, so we're 0:54:31.429 --> 0:54:34.509 gonna eliminate the devil. And then I think, I think 0:54:34.509 --> 0:54:37.229 that was a good, good insight, Phil, with the, when 0:54:37.229 --> 0:54:39.229 you said deja vu, I thought, I haven't had a 0:54:39.229 --> 0:54:40.790 deja vu for a while, but it's like. 0:54:41.110 --> 0:54:44.790 Yeah, when you have those, they are so weird. I mean, 0:54:44.830 --> 0:54:47.469 you're just like, wait, I've, I've I've done this before. 0:54:47.550 --> 0:54:50.399 I've been, you know, you're just in this moment where 0:54:51.229 --> 0:54:54.498 you're like, I already lived this moment, but you didn't 0:54:54.498 --> 0:54:56.909 live this moment. I'm having deja vu right now that 0:54:56.909 --> 0:54:59.350 I've been in a room with you and with Phil 0:54:59.350 --> 0:55:03.989 Metzger on the screen. Oh wait, I have. Yesterday, no, Tuesday, yes, but. 0:55:04.709 --> 0:55:08.110 Yes, but that is crazy how the, the mind works, 0:55:08.189 --> 0:55:10.749 the brain works, and crazy stuff that, yeah, yeah. 0:55:12.810 --> 0:55:14.979 That is all the time we have on today's episode 0:55:14.979 --> 0:55:18.649 of Pastor's Perspective. Melinda, thank you for calling in today 0:55:18.649 --> 0:55:21.850 and uh yeah, we're gonna archive this one like we 0:55:21.850 --> 0:55:25.890 archive all of them on Facebook, YouTube, and snow. Facebook, YouTube, 0:55:25.969 --> 0:55:29.689 Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. I get confused with all those 0:55:29.689 --> 0:55:32.830 different platforms and uh we will be here live again 0:55:32.830 --> 0:55:35.569 tomorrow from 3 to 4 p.m. Pacific time. Thank you, 0:55:35.610 --> 0:55:38.959 Phil Metzger. Thank you, Brian Broderson, and uh God bless 0:55:38.959 --> 0:55:41.830 you all. Thanks for watching and listening to Pastor's Perspective.