WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-10/27/26 0:00:15.300 --> 0:00:21.119 Hey everybody, and uh welcome to Pastor's perspective on this 0:00:21.119 --> 0:00:25.979 Tuesday afternoon. Uh, this is not Brian Perez because Brian 0:00:25.979 --> 0:00:30.649 Perez just bolted out the door and said, I'll be 0:00:30.649 --> 0:00:31.780 right back. So, 0:00:32.239 --> 0:00:34.759 Uh, he was planning to get back quicker than he 0:00:34.759 --> 0:00:37.269 actually did, but he did just step back in the room. 0:00:37.399 --> 0:00:42.459 So I am going to allow him to take the wheel, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.498 you're from here. But yes, it's been good to just 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.559 say hi to everybody. And I, I do want to 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:54.299 mention that Phil Metzger is right here with us through 0:00:54.850 --> 0:00:59.580 modern technology and Zoom or Teams or something like that. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:00.200 And we're just. 0:01:01.850 --> 0:01:02.228 No, 0:01:02.569 --> 0:01:05.130 we're, we're gonna have, we're gonna have a fun day, right? 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:05.560 We are, 0:01:05.729 --> 0:01:06.610 yeah, for a whole hour. 0:01:06.770 --> 0:01:07.399 Why did you leave? 0:01:08.049 --> 0:01:11.119 Because I forgot my Facebook question, you know, the questions 0:01:11.119 --> 0:01:14.880 that people submit online, which is an option. They can 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.689 go to Facebook Messenger and or DM us on 0:01:17.688 --> 0:01:18.250 Instagram. 0:01:18.725 --> 0:01:21.265 To know though that you have such a, a great 0:01:21.405 --> 0:01:24.225 teammate that you can just say yes I'm a great backup. Yes, 0:01:24.304 --> 0:01:24.484 I'm 0:01:24.484 --> 0:01:24.725 out 0:01:24.725 --> 0:01:27.044 on a moment's notice. I could have just left for 0:01:27.045 --> 0:01:29.524 the day and just, OK, Brian, Brian's where would you 0:01:29.524 --> 0:01:31.434 be without Brian right now? Where would you be without 0:01:32.825 --> 0:01:34.584 without? Hey, we are the Brian's, you know, it's kind 0:01:34.584 --> 0:01:35.604 of a, you know. 0:01:36.770 --> 0:01:37.609 It's a two in one 0:01:37.609 --> 0:01:38.069 thing. 0:01:38.450 --> 0:01:41.850 I like it. So what's the phone number, Brian Broderson, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:42.809 without looking at 0:01:42.810 --> 0:01:43.100 the wall? 0:01:43.209 --> 0:01:48.409 Yes, 888-564-6173. I mean, you know, Ed always used to 0:01:48.409 --> 0:01:51.089 brag like he could, you know, like he knew that, 0:01:51.210 --> 0:01:53.369 but he was always looking at the wall. And then 0:01:53.369 --> 0:01:56.210 when he wasn't in the studio, you, you asked him 0:01:56.210 --> 0:01:58.000 a couple weeks ago, Hey, Ed, give up the number, 0:01:58.049 --> 0:02:01.649 and he just panicked. He was totally flustered. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.750 I gave that number out so many times over so 0:02:04.750 --> 0:02:07.820 many years that uh I wake up in the morning 0:02:08.359 --> 0:02:16.240 saying 888-564-6173. That's how I begin my prayer in the morning. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.460 Yeah, it's a devotion and the K-wave phone number. That's right. 0:02:23.139 --> 0:02:26.020 So, we do have Brian and Phil here today to 0:02:26.020 --> 0:02:28.219 answer the questions that you guys have. So what kind 0:02:28.219 --> 0:02:30.939 of questions do you have? Call in. We'd love to 0:02:30.939 --> 0:02:37.820 hear from you at 888-564-6173. You can also watch us online, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram. Uh, 0:02:37.939 --> 0:02:42.340 Phil Metzger, you guys doing anything for, uh, October 31st? 0:02:43.139 --> 0:02:44.980 Yeah, well, we're, it looks like we're about to get 0:02:44.980 --> 0:02:48.409 rained out. We normally do an outdoor kind of a, um, 0:02:48.609 --> 0:02:53.980 trunk or treat slash skating night slash food and bouncy houses, 0:02:54.049 --> 0:02:56.999 the whole deal, but it looks like it's gonna, um, 0:02:57.139 --> 0:03:00.020 rain down here pretty good. So we're, we're kind of 0:03:00.020 --> 0:03:03.139 moving indoors. We're still gonna have it 5 to 8 p.m. 0:03:03.139 --> 0:03:03.900 Calvery San Diego. 0:03:04.499 --> 0:03:07.600 And we, you know, recently renovated our sanctuary, so it's 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.779 a nice big open floor. We're gonna bring everything that 0:03:10.779 --> 0:03:13.579 was outside, inside, and, um, it should be a lot 0:03:13.579 --> 0:03:15.340 of fun, you 0:03:15.340 --> 0:03:18.059 know, Phil, are you guys having the tide issue down 0:03:18.059 --> 0:03:21.659 there where you've got, um, you've got water coming up 0:03:21.659 --> 0:03:23.380 and covering the 0:03:23.380 --> 0:03:23.540 streets? 0:03:23.650 --> 0:03:26.139 Most of our coast had the same, same flooding kind 0:03:26.139 --> 0:03:28.299 of things you guys did up there, yeah, Mission Beach 0:03:28.299 --> 0:03:28.680 and 0:03:29.139 --> 0:03:31.960 Uh, had pretty terrible flooding, yeah, yeah, 0:03:32.219 --> 0:03:35.689 I, I saw a bunch of that yesterday on, um, Instagram, 0:03:35.699 --> 0:03:39.340 and I thought, what I mean, is this really happening? 0:03:39.460 --> 0:03:43.419 And the crazy thing is I, I called the Huntington 0:03:43.419 --> 0:03:45.779 Beach surf report and they just gave me the surf 0:03:45.779 --> 0:03:49.320 report and basically said nothing about it. So I thought, 0:03:49.859 --> 0:03:52.130 is this real? But then I saw um. 0:03:52.590 --> 0:03:54.590 I saw a warning, you know, one of those alert 0:03:54.590 --> 0:03:57.549 things come through on the phone today that said PCH 0:03:57.549 --> 0:04:01.020 and Warner were shut down because of, uh, flooding. So, 0:04:01.329 --> 0:04:04.939 so it is really happening and apparently Warner, wow, yeah, 0:04:05.049 --> 0:04:07.710 apparently what it is, um, because, you know, they say 0:04:07.710 --> 0:04:10.079 these king tide, 6 ft tides, a 6 ft tide 0:04:10.079 --> 0:04:12.549 is a normal, I mean they're high, but they're, you know, 0:04:12.790 --> 0:04:13.469 they've always been. 0:04:13.939 --> 0:04:18.230 Uh, but apparently it's this, there's, you know, because of the, um, 0:04:18.350 --> 0:04:22.990 El Nino and there's some other factor there that's causing, 0:04:23.308 --> 0:04:25.280 you know, these surges of, um. 0:04:25.888 --> 0:04:29.768 It's not big surf necessarily. It's just, you know, surges 0:04:29.767 --> 0:04:33.068 bringing the water much further in than it would normally come, 0:04:33.248 --> 0:04:33.539 yeah. 0:04:33.849 --> 0:04:35.528 And what about the Kelvin waves? 0:04:35.808 --> 0:04:36.168 That's what 0:04:36.168 --> 0:04:36.279 it 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:36.448 is, 0:04:36.568 --> 0:04:40.129 yeah, yeah. Got those to contend with too, but you 0:04:40.128 --> 0:04:41.488 still want to get out on the water. I know 0:04:41.488 --> 0:04:42.849 you do as a former 0:04:42.849 --> 0:04:46.358 surfer. Well, you know, I'm not a Calvinist, so I, 0:04:46.488 --> 0:04:49.457 I don't know, you know, if I could actually boom boom. 0:04:51.349 --> 0:04:52.430 Oh 0:04:52.430 --> 0:04:52.770 man. 0:04:55.029 --> 0:04:57.789 I haven't surfed in so long, it's not even funny. 0:04:57.870 --> 0:05:00.389 I mean, it's like a joke. People ask me if 0:05:00.389 --> 0:05:01.690 I'm a surfer. I'm like. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.469 Let me show you a picture from many years ago 0:05:07.039 --> 0:05:09.919 just to prove that I actually could surf at one 0:05:09.919 --> 0:05:11.199 time in my life, but. 0:05:13.139 --> 0:05:14.849 I don't know. At least you got documentation. 0:05:15.060 --> 0:05:16.758 Documentation, yeah, it's important. 0:05:17.139 --> 0:05:19.810 All right, let's begin with a question that was submitted 0:05:19.810 --> 0:05:25.210 online through the pastor's perspective Facebook page using messenger. Zaida 0:05:25.620 --> 0:05:28.659 wrote in a couple of days ago, I went across 0:05:28.659 --> 0:05:31.900 a reel on Instagram, and this lady was saying that 0:05:31.900 --> 0:05:33.079 the FDA. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:38.000 had approved food with the halal seal, which means that 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.479 in any time during the process of making that food, 0:05:40.599 --> 0:05:43.079 a Muslim person offered it to its idols, or at 0:05:43.079 --> 0:05:45.759 least that's what I understood. I want to know if 0:05:45.758 --> 0:05:48.859 you know anything about that symbol on some food products, 0:05:48.878 --> 0:05:53.020 and if we as Christians should consume food with the 0:05:53.020 --> 0:05:56.479 halal label. Thank you so much for taking the time 0:05:56.479 --> 0:06:00.818 to answer my question, and uh this is Aida in Fontana. 0:06:01.039 --> 0:06:01.679 So Phil, 0:06:02.109 --> 0:06:03.628 What do you know about halal? 0:06:04.579 --> 0:06:07.939 Well, as I understand, um, I don't know a lot. 0:06:08.020 --> 0:06:11.099 I'll start there. Uh, how's that? Uh, but as I understand, 0:06:11.198 --> 0:06:15.620 that's just a way of, um, expressing that it was 0:06:15.620 --> 0:06:18.139 prepared and handled in a way that would be what 0:06:18.139 --> 0:06:23.259 we would call kosher, right? Kosher, referring to food that, that, 0:06:23.419 --> 0:06:26.220 that a Jewish person would eat that would have, that 0:06:26.219 --> 0:06:29.179 would be acceptable according to their standards, right? We use 0:06:29.180 --> 0:06:32.539 the word kosher pretty much in, in our regular, you know, 0:06:32.620 --> 0:06:33.818 vocabulary now. 0:06:34.180 --> 0:06:37.349 Um, but that would be referring to food offered that, that, 0:06:37.389 --> 0:06:40.310 that a Jewish person would say is acceptable. Halal would 0:06:40.310 --> 0:06:43.169 be what it would be considered for a Muslim person, 0:06:43.628 --> 0:06:46.400 but I, I don't believe that means it was offered. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.009 Uh, you know, there's no idolatry involved in that. It 0:06:50.008 --> 0:06:52.319 just simply means it's food that like is, it passes 0:06:52.318 --> 0:06:56.129 their criteria, that's it. So, if it's halal and you 0:06:56.128 --> 0:06:59.210 like meat, then it's probably great, great tasting. 0:07:00.219 --> 0:07:04.229 Brian. No, that's, that's exactly what I would have said. Yeah, 0:07:04.349 --> 0:07:08.669 I think, um, you know, especially the part about idols. No, it's, 0:07:08.870 --> 0:07:12.109 I mean, Islam is very, um, 0:07:13.530 --> 0:07:17.840 You know, antagonistic toward idols in, in one sense, obviously, 0:07:17.970 --> 0:07:24.578 you know, rigidly monotheistic with Allah. And so to think 0:07:24.579 --> 0:07:26.270 that it would be offered to idols, I think is 0:07:26.270 --> 0:07:29.129 a is a mistaken notion. And I think that's a 0:07:29.129 --> 0:07:34.370 perfect comparison, Phil, is kosher food is basically food that 0:07:34.370 --> 0:07:39.560 has been approved by a rabbinate, uh, which are the, 0:07:39.650 --> 0:07:41.669 you know, the Jewish religious leaders. 0:07:42.109 --> 0:07:44.119 And so I think you've got the same thing with 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.199 the um halal food. 0:07:47.190 --> 0:07:49.359 So this is just one of those examples of people 0:07:49.359 --> 0:07:54.139 posting allegedly we haven't seen this video that Zaida came across, 0:07:54.259 --> 0:07:58.180 but just people posting this stuff that's supposed to make 0:07:58.340 --> 0:08:01.280 Christians just freak out and say, see, this is what 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.039 the FDA is doing. They're allowing this in the US now. 0:08:04.079 --> 0:08:06.000 There is a lot of stuff that the US is allowing, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:07.859 but you know this, yeah, 0:08:08.039 --> 0:08:08.120 you 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.680 know, the, the, yeah, I mean, it's, you know, I 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.439 think it could be a 0:08:14.210 --> 0:08:21.280 Um, it's just an exaggerated situation, you know, they're, they're accommodating, 0:08:21.569 --> 0:08:27.560 they're not imposing this on the general population. This is 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.590 something they do within their context. So I think that's 0:08:31.210 --> 0:08:34.919 understandable and, you know, it's fine. Uh, there, there's a 0:08:34.919 --> 0:08:39.348 big blow up in the UK, uh, over, um. 0:08:40.139 --> 0:08:44.578 This whole issue of halal, um, food and meat, uh, 0:08:44.828 --> 0:08:48.460 because a particular man who I think was a Sikhkh, uh, 0:08:48.670 --> 0:08:51.189 had a, you know, has a, has a restaurant, and 0:08:51.189 --> 0:08:56.179 he refused to prepare halal food and so they rioted and, 0:08:56.230 --> 0:08:58.989 you know, beat him up and all, all the nice 0:08:58.989 --> 0:09:02.730 things that tolerant, yeah, they, they normally do, but 0:09:03.639 --> 0:09:07.840 Um, but, but again, that was because they were trying 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:09.999 to impose it like, you know, you, you better make 0:09:09.999 --> 0:09:13.059 this food or we're gonna make your life miserable. So, 0:09:13.179 --> 0:09:15.499 I mean that does happen, but that's not what's happening 0:09:15.759 --> 0:09:17.780 here and, and I've not even, I mean, I don't 0:09:17.780 --> 0:09:20.469 even know if that's true if the, if, you know, 0:09:20.759 --> 0:09:25.429 I would imagine it's true just because it's not a 0:09:25.429 --> 0:09:26.520 bad thing, but. 0:09:29.050 --> 0:09:29.939 If the government 0:09:30.970 --> 0:09:32.809 Uh, I was gonna say the amount of videos that 0:09:32.809 --> 0:09:35.449 are out there that are like they only exist to 0:09:35.449 --> 0:09:38.590 get you to watch it long enough so that they 0:09:38.970 --> 0:09:43.559 feed their own marketing system is like unreal. It's just unreal. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.610 I mean like you don't even have to say not 0:09:45.619 --> 0:09:48.090 one word that you use has to be true anymore. 0:09:48.170 --> 0:09:52.449 It's like the whole thing can be a lie and hey. 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.389 They'll even take everybody yelling at them. That's a lie. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.559 That's a lie. That's a lie. Hey, good, keep on 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.280 bringing it. Just keep on, you know, because they make 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.600 money off this stuff. It's pretty wild because I've suddenly 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:07.679 amassed 3 million views and monetized and all that other stuff. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.479 But yeah, if you guys come across these videos, feel 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.040 free to call in or write to. 0:10:12.335 --> 0:10:15.415 Now, keep in mind, we do not watch all these 0:10:15.415 --> 0:10:18.335 videos that come out. I mean, how many of them 0:10:18.335 --> 0:10:21.134 come out every single day, you would imagine, and sometimes 0:10:21.134 --> 0:10:23.974 people will send a link or a photo of something. Here, 0:10:24.085 --> 0:10:25.694 what do you think of this? It's like, yeah, I, 0:10:25.814 --> 0:10:28.334 we don't have 2 hours to listen to this whole 0:10:28.335 --> 0:10:31.194 interview or whatever the case might be, but 0:10:31.739 --> 0:10:34.999 This allows me to make my case for radio, for K-wave, 0:10:35.300 --> 0:10:39.860 and how when you hear Bible teaching here on K-wave, um, 0:10:40.059 --> 0:10:44.170 you can trust it because we vet everybody who's on K-wave, 0:10:44.220 --> 0:10:47.540 we're not just gonna put anyone on, uh, whereas on 0:10:47.540 --> 0:10:52.410 YouTube or Instagram or whatever, anybody can upload anything and, 0:10:52.499 --> 0:10:53.520 and it's 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.800 You know, taken as gospel truth when it may not be. So, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.559 you can trust what you hear on Kwave and uh 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.079 you can call in when you have questions about what 0:11:03.078 --> 0:11:08.160 you hear anywhere else. 888-564-6173 is our number. Gonna be 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.949 here till 4 o'clock. We'd love to hear from you. 0:11:10.199 --> 0:11:12.800 Here's another question that was submitted online. This one is 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:17.840 from Dan in Riverside, who uh says that he was 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:23.439 speaking to a Mormon concerning Colossians 1 verses 15 and 16. 0:11:23.780 --> 0:11:25.559 Let me read that passage really quick. 0:11:26.389 --> 0:11:29.509 The sun is the image of the invisible God, the 0:11:29.509 --> 0:11:33.980 firstborn over all creation, for in Him all things were created, 0:11:34.309 --> 0:11:38.030 things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether 0:11:38.030 --> 0:11:41.989 thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things have 0:11:41.989 --> 0:11:44.110 been created through Him and for Him. 0:11:44.759 --> 0:11:48.379 So, Dan asks, how do I argue for the divinity 0:11:48.379 --> 0:11:52.360 of Christ through these scriptures when the literal meanings of 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.960 image and firstborn are just that, and then also when 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.719 it says all things were created for him. Is this 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:03.879 basically a problem of understanding Christ's dual identities? What would 0:12:03.879 --> 0:12:04.439 you say, Brian? 0:12:06.059 --> 0:12:10.339 Well, first of all, I think it's a common mistake 0:12:10.340 --> 0:12:13.859 to think of first born in the sense of the 0:12:13.860 --> 0:12:19.569 first one born, uh, which is, it can mean that, um, 0:12:19.699 --> 0:12:22.400 but it means more than that in the Bible and 0:12:22.509 --> 0:12:27.100 the the term actually means the, um, probably the best 0:12:27.100 --> 0:12:28.339 way to understand it. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.410 Is the preeminent one or the one who has um 0:12:32.410 --> 0:12:36.929 supremacy overall. So that's that's what it means uh the 0:12:36.929 --> 0:12:42.780 Lord in um I think it's Psalm 78, um, he, 0:12:42.929 --> 0:12:46.248 he speaks of, um, I will make him speaking of 0:12:46.249 --> 0:12:50.410 the Messiah, I will make him my firstborn, the highest 0:12:50.410 --> 0:12:53.050 over the kings of the earth. So that's the idea, 0:12:53.090 --> 0:12:57.628 the highest over. So, so don't, don't interpret that. 0:12:58.100 --> 0:13:03.660 Uh, as a, a statement that Jesus, because what the 0:13:03.790 --> 0:13:05.939 cults will do is they'll say, see right here, Jesus 0:13:05.939 --> 0:13:11.009 was the first, uh, of, of the creation, and, um, 0:13:11.020 --> 0:13:14.400 it doesn't, it says that he's over. He's the firstborn 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.300 over creation. So even the word over kind of gives 0:13:17.300 --> 0:13:21.339 the idea of, of what the word is actually referring to. 0:13:22.210 --> 0:13:24.410 Um, what was the other part of the question? 0:13:25.470 --> 0:13:28.819 Phil, Phil, do you remember? No, I'm, I think you 0:13:28.819 --> 0:13:31.099 answered it, Brian. I was gonna say is that it? I, 0:13:31.179 --> 0:13:32.860 I think you answered it. I was just gonna add 0:13:33.139 --> 0:13:35.579 he should not try to argue, um. 0:13:36.379 --> 0:13:39.379 You know, in just verses 15 and 16, probably like 0:13:39.379 --> 0:13:43.420 read verse 17, it says Jesus existed before anything else 0:13:43.420 --> 0:13:47.420 and he holds all creation together. So, you know, I 0:13:47.420 --> 0:13:50.480 think a lot of times people wanna like pigeon us, like, hey, 0:13:50.699 --> 0:13:52.660 this verse says this, it's like, yeah, but these other 0:13:52.660 --> 0:13:54.979 43 verses say this, like, 0:13:55.650 --> 0:13:57.770 You know, if you, if you wanna try to hold 0:13:57.770 --> 0:14:00.210 one thing, I, I don't know, it was, I heard 0:14:00.210 --> 0:14:02.790 a professor say, basically every 0:14:03.460 --> 0:14:06.429 Like Christian adjacent cults, you know, you can get from 0:14:06.429 --> 0:14:08.179 the book of Job if you just take two verses 0:14:08.179 --> 0:14:11.509 out of context. And uh I think it's pretty true. 0:14:11.749 --> 0:14:13.749 So if you, if you look at verse 17, it's 0:14:13.749 --> 0:14:16.470 pretty clear that he's speaking of the preeminence of Jesus 0:14:16.470 --> 0:14:16.689 as 0:14:16.689 --> 0:14:19.470 Brian used that word as a better word than the 0:14:19.470 --> 0:14:23.819 idea of firstborn being chronological, but firstborn being preeminent. It's a, 0:14:23.869 --> 0:14:25.270 it's a really important distinction. 0:14:25.550 --> 0:14:31.929 And, and the passage goes on to speak of Jesus, um, as, uh, in, 0:14:32.050 --> 0:14:33.230 in him. 0:14:33.989 --> 0:14:37.710 Uh, all the fullness of the deity dwells bodily. 0:14:38.499 --> 0:14:43.660 So that that's pretty clear right there. The fullness of 0:14:43.660 --> 0:14:48.879 God dwells bodily in him. So, you know, uh, yeah, I, 0:14:49.020 --> 0:14:52.300 you know, with the, with the cults, um, regardless of 0:14:52.300 --> 0:14:55.460 which one it is, when it comes to their, their 0:14:55.460 --> 0:15:01.379 teachings on Jesus, they are always taking a few passages. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.480 Uh, most of the time taking them out of context, uh, 0:15:05.679 --> 0:15:09.999 other times misinterpreting what they actually say, and then coming 0:15:09.999 --> 0:15:13.590 up with a wrong view. But like Phil said, you know, 0:15:13.639 --> 0:15:15.809 if you take the other 43 verses, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.639 I, I heard some guy the other day, you know, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:24.829 arguing about, you know, Jesus, the, the deity of Jesus, 0:15:24.879 --> 0:15:27.920 and he was arguing against it because, you know, Jesus 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.920 said this and he did that, and my father is 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.400 greater than I and this sort of thing. And I 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.239 just thought, you know, this poor guy, I could give 0:15:34.239 --> 0:15:37.300 him 10 verses right off the top of my head 0:15:37.759 --> 0:15:41.050 that state, and he was basically saying Jesus never claimed 0:15:41.050 --> 0:15:44.319 to be God. I thought, OK, well, you need to 0:15:44.319 --> 0:15:46.160 read your Bible a little more closely. 0:15:48.569 --> 0:15:51.590 So I found the other question that Dan had, uh, 0:15:52.129 --> 0:15:55.889 it's just, when it says all things were created for him. 0:15:57.170 --> 0:16:00.369 Uh, but we might have answered that already, right? Well, 0:16:00.439 --> 0:16:02.770 I think is just basically a problem of understanding. When 0:16:02.770 --> 0:16:05.290 I heard that, that doesn't make, I, I don't see 0:16:05.290 --> 0:16:09.030 how that would be a contradiction of, you know, understanding 0:16:09.170 --> 0:16:12.610 that there's no duality there. If he is the preeminent one, 0:16:12.689 --> 0:16:14.699 then everything exists for him. 0:16:16.689 --> 0:16:19.660 Yeah, and, and doesn't the passage say by him and 0:16:19.660 --> 0:16:20.059 for him? 0:16:20.819 --> 0:16:23.389 Yeah, in him for by him and through him, I think, 0:16:23.509 --> 0:16:24.670 or for him, yeah, something, 0:16:24.869 --> 0:16:28.069 yeah, and if, if Colossians doesn't say it, Ephesians does. 0:16:29.829 --> 0:16:31.749 All right, Dan, thank you so much for sending in 0:16:31.749 --> 0:16:37.189 that question through the pastor's perspective Facebook page using messenger. And, uh, 0:16:37.230 --> 0:16:42.530 by the way, the number again 888-564-6173. Here's one more 0:16:42.710 --> 0:16:44.670 that was sent in online. It is from Karen. 0:16:46.150 --> 0:16:49.910 She says, I know the Bible does not state our 0:16:49.910 --> 0:16:53.110 pets go to heaven, but in Genesis. 0:16:53.850 --> 0:16:58.929 It states that God also made a covenant with all creatures. 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:04.100 It also states, there are animals in heaven. 0:17:04.910 --> 0:17:08.309 I lost my dog 10 days ago or 10 days 0:17:08.309 --> 0:17:13.869 after major surgery, and I am majorly devastated to the 0:17:13.869 --> 0:17:18.310 point that my psychologist wanted to admit me to the 0:17:18.310 --> 0:17:21.869 psych hospital. I did not go, but, um, what would 0:17:21.869 --> 0:17:25.469 you say to Karen, Phil? Well, I would say that's terrible. 0:17:25.550 --> 0:17:28.349 I'm so sorry. That's awful. Right after surgery and then 0:17:28.349 --> 0:17:28.969 you lose your dog. 0:17:29.729 --> 0:17:32.969 Um, yeah, that's, that's bad, and it sounds like that 0:17:32.969 --> 0:17:35.400 puts you quite in a state. Um, I hope you're 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.009 doing better is what I would say, I guess, uh, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.429 in terms of like pets in heaven and the covenant idea, um, I, 0:17:42.530 --> 0:17:43.179 I do think 0:17:43.869 --> 0:17:47.468 That there's pets in heaven, uh, for sure. Um, I 0:17:47.469 --> 0:17:49.830 don't know that I would use the Genesis covenant to 0:17:49.830 --> 0:17:54.099 animals as like that all animals, like every cockroach that's 0:17:54.099 --> 0:17:57.349 ever existed will be in heaven because of that covenant. 0:17:58.129 --> 0:18:01.249 Um, I wouldn't go so far as that, but because 0:18:01.259 --> 0:18:06.129 God is so, um, so he's a consuming fire. He like, 0:18:06.339 --> 0:18:10.499 he loves humanity so much, and, um, I'm absolutely certain 0:18:10.499 --> 0:18:14.170 that he is thinking of you always, and that'll include 0:18:14.170 --> 0:18:16.900 into your eternity. So, the idea that your pet will 0:18:16.900 --> 0:18:19.619 be there for you when you're there, why not? I 0:18:19.619 --> 0:18:21.619 don't see any reason why that couldn't happen. 0:18:22.450 --> 0:18:23.030 Brian 0:18:25.270 --> 0:18:28.949 Um, I, I agree. I, I agree with Phil. Uh, 0:18:29.030 --> 0:18:32.530 I think I've shared this before, but I remember many, many, 0:18:32.830 --> 0:18:36.869 many years ago where I, um, had a friend who, he, 0:18:36.950 --> 0:18:38.228 he was a friend and he was, he was a 0:18:38.229 --> 0:18:41.770 great brother, but he was so 0:18:42.780 --> 0:18:46.900 Adamant that animals did not go to heaven and if 0:18:46.900 --> 0:18:51.070 you even thought that they might, um, then you, you know, 0:18:51.219 --> 0:18:55.379 you had some serious theological issues and, and I remember 0:18:55.379 --> 0:18:58.609 kind of just debating with them and, and I don't 0:18:58.609 --> 0:19:01.099 even like saying go to heaven because I mean we're, 0:19:01.170 --> 0:19:04.580 you know, but, but meeting us in the place where 0:19:04.580 --> 0:19:09.699 we will be ultimately, uh, I love, you know, Phil's brilliant. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:11.300 Uh 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:17.099 Perspective of uh why not? I mean, you know, why not? 0:19:17.719 --> 0:19:23.320 God loves us. He loves these creatures somehow, uh, we 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.879 fall in love with these animals and um, you know, there's, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.719 I think there's something to, I think there's so much more, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.399 you know, as, as I've mentioned and most people know 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:38.670 about the um the passing of my son-in-law 6 months ago, 0:19:38.859 --> 0:19:39.800 7 months ago now. 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.729 Uh, um, you know, it's caused us to really think 0:19:43.879 --> 0:19:48.119 much more deeply about heaven and about the future and about, 0:19:48.170 --> 0:19:50.718 you know, and, and I think we have just sold 0:19:50.719 --> 0:19:54.599 it so short. I was listening to Randy Alcorn, who, uh, 0:19:54.719 --> 0:19:57.320 is a great, you know, theologian, and he wrote the, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.629 the book called Heaven. And Randy, Randy was saying, um, 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.138 you know, he's he's talking about being in seminary. 0:20:05.540 --> 0:20:08.940 And you know, being in a class where they're talking 0:20:08.940 --> 0:20:12.540 about eschatology, so eschatology is the study of the, the 0:20:12.540 --> 0:20:16.219 end basically, and he said in, in the, in the 0:20:16.219 --> 0:20:22.139 eschatology classes they would spend the majority of time debating 0:20:22.138 --> 0:20:25.899 the rapture and then they would have like 10 minutes 0:20:25.900 --> 0:20:27.659 at the end to talk about the new heaven and 0:20:27.660 --> 0:20:31.239 the new earth and he said, you know, it's like 0:20:31.619 --> 0:20:35.200 this is the place we are going to spend eternity. 0:20:35.749 --> 0:20:41.700 But we put so little thought into really, you know, grasping, 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.020 you know, what it's gonna be about, and I think, 0:20:45.109 --> 0:20:48.879 you know, with our family experience, of course, it's really 0:20:48.879 --> 0:20:52.440 forced us in, in that direction, which, which has been 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.849 beautiful man, Phil, I'll tell you, you know who I 0:20:55.979 --> 0:21:01.560 I I'll tell you a person who just got it is, uh, Spurgeon. 0:21:02.190 --> 0:21:05.989 Man, Spurgeon got it. He just, he has so many 0:21:05.989 --> 0:21:12.109 unbelievably rich things on the future and on heaven and yeah, 0:21:12.550 --> 0:21:14.270 such good stuff, so. 0:21:15.739 --> 0:21:19.379 I think sometimes like theology, which is like the study 0:21:19.379 --> 0:21:21.659 of God, the study of the Bible, and so on 0:21:21.780 --> 0:21:24.259 in a general sense, I think it's almost like we're 0:21:24.259 --> 0:21:27.050 a little, it's like we're, I don't wanna say afraid, 0:21:27.099 --> 0:21:29.910 but like we hesitate too much on 0:21:31.109 --> 0:21:34.399 Heaven because it's like we don't know, like we just 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.649 don't understand, right? So we're gonna like spend all of 0:21:37.650 --> 0:21:40.359 our time on what we think we can understand and then, 0:21:40.759 --> 0:21:42.958 but it really does a disservice to the average person 0:21:42.959 --> 0:21:45.638 like the rest of us because it's like I'm gonna 0:21:45.638 --> 0:21:47.719 spend a lot less time here on earth than I 0:21:47.719 --> 0:21:50.748 do in heaven and um yeah, it's a, it's a, 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.320 that's a really great observation. I wanna, I'm gonna think 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.599 on that a little bit more. I like that. And 0:21:55.599 --> 0:22:00.540 we're gonna spend a lot less time in the rapture than. 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.119 In on earth or in heaven, right? It's like the 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.839 twinkling of an eye, and here we are spending 90% 0:22:06.839 --> 0:22:07.739 of the time. 0:22:08.729 --> 0:22:11.409 Figuring out what it's gonna be like and everything else 0:22:11.410 --> 0:22:14.020 and you'll, you'll have flossed more in your lifetime than 0:22:14.020 --> 0:22:16.739 the rapture will take. I mean, basically everything you do 0:22:16.739 --> 0:22:19.099 will have been faster or longer than the rapture, 0:22:19.450 --> 0:22:20.749 even blinking your eye. 0:22:21.690 --> 0:22:23.589 Yes, a yawn. 0:22:25.030 --> 0:22:28.239 Thank you, Karen, for sending in your question on uh 0:22:28.239 --> 0:22:31.129 Pastor's Perspectives Facebook page, and I will go to the 0:22:31.129 --> 0:22:39.998 phones at 888-564-6173, 888-564-6173. Catherine in Monrovia. Hi, welcome to 0:22:39.999 --> 0:22:43.839 the show. Hi, you guys, thanks for having me. If 0:22:43.839 --> 0:22:45.560 God knows everything, 0:22:45.989 --> 0:22:48.879 including choice, what we make, the choices 0:22:48.879 --> 0:22:49.320 we make. 0:22:49.879 --> 0:22:53.399 What does it mean in the Bible in Genesis 6:6 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:57.339 when God said he regretted making mankind? I'm confused. 0:22:58.950 --> 0:22:59.989 What do you say, Phil? 0:23:01.839 --> 0:23:04.670 Yeah, it's a great question and um thanks for asking that, 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:10.080 and it's, it's not so, so oftentimes the Bible uses 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:15.839 rhetoric or words like linguistic words that we, language that 0:23:15.839 --> 0:23:20.119 we humans would understand so that he can express something 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:21.718 that we could understand. 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:28.270 It, so the language of that God regrets is not the, the, the, the, 0:23:28.349 --> 0:23:31.369 the takeaway is not that God actually felt the emotion 0:23:31.369 --> 0:23:36.109 of regret or that he made a decision and then 0:23:36.109 --> 0:23:38.349 realized he made the wrong decision, but it's a way 0:23:38.349 --> 0:23:42.209 of expressing his sadness. It's a way of God expressing 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.099 His, um, like what the New Testament would call, like, 0:23:45.349 --> 0:23:47.989 would say, do not grieve the Holy Spirit. Well, how 0:23:47.989 --> 0:23:49.790 can you grieve the Holy Spirit if the Holy Spirit 0:23:49.790 --> 0:23:52.270 knew you were going to do that in the first place, right? 0:23:52.339 --> 0:23:55.070 If the Spirit knew I was going to sin, then 0:23:55.070 --> 0:23:57.749 wouldn't he have already prepared himself for that, so as 0:23:57.749 --> 0:23:58.950 not to be grieved. 0:23:59.349 --> 0:24:02.310 And yet that wouldn't, that wouldn't teach me the lesson 0:24:02.310 --> 0:24:04.589 the Bible wants me to learn, and that is that 0:24:04.589 --> 0:24:08.469 my sin impacts God. And so the language that is 0:24:08.469 --> 0:24:12.349 used is used to express a sense of emotion that 0:24:12.349 --> 0:24:15.849 God feels, even though he knows all things, he still 0:24:15.849 --> 0:24:19.589 feels a sense of sorrow and sadness and grief and 0:24:19.589 --> 0:24:21.859 what we would call regret, though it is not the 0:24:21.859 --> 0:24:27.209 regret of human language. Brian. Wow, that was good. 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.839 That was a good answer, pastor. Thank you. I, that 0:24:30.839 --> 0:24:35.280 was my next question, whether he experienced grief. Pastors, thank 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.879 you so much. I love you guys. Keep up the 0:24:38.879 --> 0:24:39.419 great work, 0:24:39.479 --> 0:24:41.638 OK? Thank you. Yes, if 0:24:41.638 --> 0:24:41.800 you 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:42.259 insist, 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:43.719 well, I 0:24:43.719 --> 0:24:45.219 love you. Thank you. 0:24:46.300 --> 0:24:49.248 You know, just looking at that passage, Phil, and that 0:24:49.249 --> 0:24:53.280 was a great answer. Um, you know, verse 5 says, 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.530 and you know, before that we're talking about, um, you know, 0:24:57.660 --> 0:25:01.589 God says that the spirit will not always, uh, contend with, 0:25:01.650 --> 0:25:05.580 with humans and, um, and then the Nephilim were on 0:25:05.580 --> 0:25:08.780 the earth in those days. Sons of God went into 0:25:08.780 --> 0:25:11.949 the daughters of, of humans and and so forth. But then, 0:25:12.310 --> 0:25:17.280 Um, verse 5, the Lord saw how great the wickedness 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.580 of the human race had become on the earth and 0:25:20.580 --> 0:25:23.820 that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart 0:25:23.820 --> 0:25:27.139 was only evil all the time. The Lord regretted that 0:25:27.138 --> 0:25:29.410 He had made human beings on the earth, and you think, OK, 0:25:29.700 --> 0:25:33.060 so God knows in advance that He, of course He 0:25:33.060 --> 0:25:36.180 knows everything, so He knows that this is, I'm gonna 0:25:36.180 --> 0:25:38.419 create this world and this is where it's gonna go. 0:25:38.950 --> 0:25:43.560 But now it's actually it's, it's, it's being actualized. It 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:47.060 it is, it's actually going where he knew it would go, 0:25:47.550 --> 0:25:49.649 and it's a grief to him. 0:25:50.530 --> 0:25:53.150 That and I think, you know, your point, Phil, is, 0:25:53.450 --> 0:25:56.009 is the right point. It's not like God's like, oh 0:25:56.009 --> 0:25:59.050 dang it. Why did I do that? I thought, I 0:25:59.050 --> 0:26:02.450 thought that it was going to go a different direction. Oh, 0:26:02.459 --> 0:26:06.050 I regret that decision. That's not what we're talking about 0:26:06.050 --> 0:26:08.930 because that would be in conflict with other things that 0:26:08.930 --> 0:26:12.989 we're told about God. So yeah, but, but as God is, 0:26:13.810 --> 0:26:18.560 you know, experiencing it in real time, the, the wickedness 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:19.489 of humanity. 0:26:19.940 --> 0:26:21.138 This is the. 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.759 The saddening thing, the grieving thing. 0:26:25.099 --> 0:26:26.979 Phil, any other thoughts? No. 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.089 All right, Catherine, thanks so much for your phone call 0:26:30.089 --> 0:26:36.330 today on Pastor's Perspective. 888-564-6173 is our number. Uh, here's 0:26:36.330 --> 0:26:40.399 one that Martha sent in on Facebook. Uh, you know, 0:26:40.479 --> 0:26:43.429 we're seeing all the Halloween decorations up in the stores, 0:26:43.489 --> 0:26:46.879 which means it's time for a Christmas question. And, uh, 0:26:47.209 --> 0:26:51.530 Martha's question is about Jeremiah 10. Does this refer to 0:26:51.530 --> 0:26:55.969 Christmas trees? Should we not have Christmas trees in our home? 0:26:56.940 --> 0:26:57.300 Brian. 0:26:58.729 --> 0:27:02.589 Uh, well, that all depends. If you like a Christmas tree, 0:27:02.650 --> 0:27:05.530 you should have one. If you don't, then you don't 0:27:05.530 --> 0:27:09.449 have to have one. There's no rule either way, but 0:27:09.450 --> 0:27:15.609 Jeremiah has zero to do with a Christmas tree. Uh, 0:27:15.770 --> 0:27:21.209 Jeremiah is describing the process of making an idol and 0:27:21.209 --> 0:27:24.849 bowing down to it. You're taking the wood, the tree, 0:27:25.170 --> 0:27:27.469 and then decking it with gold. 0:27:27.950 --> 0:27:33.940 And this is the process of, of making an idol. Isaiah, uh, 0:27:33.950 --> 0:27:40.290 chapter maybe 44, 45, 46 in there describes the same, 0:27:40.550 --> 0:27:44.650 almost the same exact thing. And um, so. 0:27:45.660 --> 0:27:52.180 No, nothing to do with the Christmas tree. Um, people think, oh, 0:27:52.300 --> 0:27:56.739 you know, this all originated in Babylon and to be 0:27:56.739 --> 0:28:01.419 participating in this is to be, uh, involving yourself in, 0:28:01.530 --> 0:28:04.138 in pagan idolatry, and this is just not. 0:28:04.888 --> 0:28:07.690 The case and you know there have been people in 0:28:07.690 --> 0:28:11.290 church history that just they just are allergic to fun 0:28:11.638 --> 0:28:15.689 and joy and those kinds of things so they come 0:28:15.690 --> 0:28:19.940 up with dumb ideas and then put everybody under bondage 0:28:20.330 --> 0:28:23.239 so they don't have any fun and whoever came up 0:28:23.239 --> 0:28:23.709 with that. 0:28:24.770 --> 0:28:27.929 Might have been Alexander Hyslop. I, I'm not gonna totally 0:28:27.930 --> 0:28:31.190 blame him, but he did write The Two Babylons, so 0:28:31.450 --> 0:28:32.989 it could have been him, but, um. 0:28:34.109 --> 0:28:36.820 We're not under such superstition 0:28:37.459 --> 0:28:37.530 here, 0:28:37.839 --> 0:28:41.839 but that said, if you read, if anybody just reading 0:28:41.839 --> 0:28:44.160 the verse maybe for the first time ever or something, 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.959 it does talk about, you know, cutting a tree and 0:28:46.999 --> 0:28:49.749 like you read, like you said, Brian, the adorning it 0:28:49.749 --> 0:28:52.680 with silver and gold and everything else, so we can 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.959 see why people would think that. Well, 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.200 I think you would only think it if somebody put 0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:58.920 it in your head that you should think it. I 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:00.139 don't think the average. 0:29:01.129 --> 0:29:02.950 I don't think a new Christian would read that and go, 0:29:03.089 --> 0:29:06.330 oh my gosh, he's talking about a Christmas tree there. 0:29:06.450 --> 0:29:09.359 I mean, maybe they would, but I think you'd have 0:29:09.359 --> 0:29:11.129 to have somebody say to you, hey, did you know 0:29:11.129 --> 0:29:12.310 that that's a Christmas tree. 0:29:13.629 --> 0:29:16.749 Phil, 30 seconds. I was just thinking, 0, 30 seconds. OK, 0:29:16.820 --> 0:29:18.869 here we go. I was just thinking about this is 0:29:18.869 --> 0:29:21.259 one of the actual, like the issue we're talking about, 0:29:21.589 --> 0:29:23.430 and I think of Halloween in the same way. This 0:29:23.430 --> 0:29:25.508 is one of the issues that makes like Google and 0:29:25.509 --> 0:29:28.030 the internet so great because we used to get away 0:29:28.030 --> 0:29:30.989 as pastors with saying things that were just like, we 0:29:30.989 --> 0:29:34.150 heard threads of things from people before and before and before, 0:29:34.469 --> 0:29:36.509 and it was a lot of nonsense. And now people 0:29:36.509 --> 0:29:39.259 will Google that stuff before you finish your sermon, they'll 0:29:39.259 --> 0:29:39.869 have the full answer. 0:29:40.624 --> 0:29:43.124 And I actually think it's really good for the world 0:29:43.124 --> 0:29:46.665 that we have these things now. Yes, I remember when 0:29:46.665 --> 0:29:52.535 Snopes.com came out. Yes, and that was, yeah, because even 0:29:52.535 --> 0:29:55.905 after it came out, I remember pastors telling these tall 0:29:55.905 --> 0:29:59.964 tales of whatever, and I'm like, no, that's been disproven, 0:30:00.264 --> 0:30:01.744 and I wanted to get up from my seat and 0:30:01.744 --> 0:30:03.504 tell them, but I didn't. All right, we'll be back 0:30:03.504 --> 0:30:04.785 on pastor's perspective. 0:30:18.910 --> 0:30:22.530 Hey, we're back on Pastor's Perspective. Phone lines are open 0:30:22.530 --> 0:30:27.379 till 4 o'clock. 888-564-6173 is the number to call. You 0:30:27.379 --> 0:30:32.190 can ask your questions of Pastor Brian Broderson, Pastor Phil Metzger. 0:30:32.310 --> 0:30:37.910 We'd love to hear from you at 888-564-6173. Phil is 0:30:37.910 --> 0:30:39.430 not back yet. 0:30:40.589 --> 0:30:41.310 Uh oh, well, 0:30:41.839 --> 0:30:44.839 You'll have to fill in. OK, so we'll do our best. 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:46.930 I'm gonna ask the next question and I'm gonna give 0:30:46.930 --> 0:30:50.040 it to you. Oh man, wait, no, because you know 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.999 I am actually the host today because remember I started, um, 0:30:54.119 --> 0:30:59.719 but let's go back to the Christmas tree. Oh, sure, sure, OK, so, um, with, 0:30:59.839 --> 0:31:02.359 with the Christmas tree and the idea of, of its 0:31:02.359 --> 0:31:08.650 pagan origins, um, most people believe that, um, Martin Luther. 0:31:09.349 --> 0:31:14.310 was most responsible for what we know today as the 0:31:14.310 --> 0:31:19.550 Christmas tree, and for him there was all this rich symbolism. 0:31:19.589 --> 0:31:22.330 It was an evergreen tree which spoke to us of 0:31:22.629 --> 0:31:26.109 everlasting life, and then the tree was taken and it 0:31:26.109 --> 0:31:29.670 was decorated and it was all decorated. It was decorated 0:31:29.670 --> 0:31:32.889 in gold because of the royalty of Jesus and things 0:31:32.889 --> 0:31:37.749 like that. So I think that's a much better uh. 0:31:38.469 --> 0:31:45.190 Understanding of this tradition than trying to see, um, you know, 0:31:45.290 --> 0:31:49.969 paganism always sort of trying to make its way, you know, 0:31:50.109 --> 0:31:54.830 into the church. I mean, obviously that did happen at 0:31:54.830 --> 0:31:55.709 times and. 0:31:56.550 --> 0:31:58.469 You can read the New Testament and you find that 0:31:58.469 --> 0:32:01.459 there's some of that that they're dealing with then. But, 0:32:01.950 --> 0:32:04.389 but I think, again, I think that there is just 0:32:04.389 --> 0:32:08.879 that tendency sometimes for people to um 0:32:09.849 --> 0:32:12.259 You know, just kind of see a demon under every rock, 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:13.989 and it's just, it's not the case. 0:32:15.820 --> 0:32:20.139 OK, now we'll go to the phones. Soraya, listening to 0:32:20.139 --> 0:32:25.540 K-wave in Irvine, California. Thanks for calling 888-564-6173. 0:32:27.790 --> 0:32:29.950 Hey, hello, what's your question? 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:31.719 Hi, how are 0:32:31.719 --> 0:32:33.430 you? Thank you so much for your time. 0:32:33.759 --> 0:32:34.359 My question 0:32:34.359 --> 0:32:34.839 is, you know, 0:32:35.060 --> 0:32:37.739 in, I'm, I'm not very, uh, 0:32:37.839 --> 0:32:41.700 I haven't been a very good student about reading my Bible, 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:45.599 but in Genesis, there's just Adam and Eve, and then 0:32:45.599 --> 0:32:49.680 we have the, the Cain and the other guy, Cain 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.060 and who is the brother? Abel. 0:32:53.619 --> 0:32:57.020 Abel, OK. And then one of the boys, I guess 0:32:57.020 --> 0:33:00.400 it's Cain, he goes to the other village and marries 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.379 a girl. So where did those people come from? 0:33:05.450 --> 0:33:07.979 If you only have Adam and Eve, and then they 0:33:07.979 --> 0:33:11.800 have their children, right? So one of the boys goes 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:17.459 to the village, cross the whatever, cross this freeway, and 0:33:17.459 --> 0:33:18.379 there's a girl. 0:33:19.190 --> 0:33:23.300 Where did they come from? This is such a great question, 0:33:23.430 --> 0:33:27.339 and I'm really glad you're calling and asking it in, 0:33:27.389 --> 0:33:30.190 in all sincerity. I mean, it's, it's great because it. 0:33:31.119 --> 0:33:33.560 This has been a, this has been a question that 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:37.430 even some leading atheists have brought up in debates to, 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:41.869 you know, try to prove that the idea that all 0:33:41.869 --> 0:33:44.959 of humanity, you know, came from just two people and 0:33:44.959 --> 0:33:48.759 so forth is nonsense. And, you know, where did King 0:33:48.759 --> 0:33:52.160 get his wife? That's been asked many times. Well, here's 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.379 the thing to to know. The Bible. 0:33:56.830 --> 0:34:00.229 It's, it's not a history book in the sense that 0:34:00.229 --> 0:34:03.469 it tells us, you know, all of the details of 0:34:03.469 --> 0:34:07.150 the lives of the people that it discusses. The Bible 0:34:07.150 --> 0:34:10.869 is what you call a history of redemption. So it 0:34:10.869 --> 0:34:14.349 tells us about the people primarily who are involved in 0:34:14.349 --> 0:34:20.659 the redemptive process. And so in the fifth chapter of Genesis, 0:34:20.669 --> 0:34:22.709 we read about Adam. 0:34:23.319 --> 0:34:26.678 Who there it's uh talking to us about another son 0:34:26.678 --> 0:34:30.339 of Adam named Seth and it says that Adam had 0:34:30.839 --> 0:34:36.078 many sons and daughters so we only know the names 0:34:36.079 --> 0:34:40.478 of three Cain, Abel, and Seth but he had many 0:34:40.478 --> 0:34:44.279 sons and daughters and so this would be where the 0:34:44.279 --> 0:34:44.908 um 0:34:46.070 --> 0:34:50.020 The, the woman would have come from, uh, who would 0:34:50.020 --> 0:34:53.820 become the wife of Cain. So, of course, in those times, 0:34:53.899 --> 0:34:56.799 there wasn't the issue of, well, wait, she's your sister, 0:34:56.899 --> 0:34:59.100 you can't marry her. Um, 0:34:59.810 --> 0:35:03.249 You know, all of that would would come later when 0:35:03.248 --> 0:35:07.360 God gave the law to Israel. But at the time, 0:35:07.409 --> 0:35:12.080 the world was repopulated initially through the children of Adam, uh, 0:35:12.370 --> 0:35:15.919 marrying one another and having children and then the the 0:35:15.919 --> 0:35:16.409 population growing. 0:35:17.689 --> 0:35:18.620 What do you think, Soraya? 0:35:21.030 --> 0:35:21.429 Oh. 0:35:22.498 --> 0:35:22.939 Oh, 0:35:23.100 --> 0:35:23.850 wondering. 0:35:24.669 --> 0:35:27.340 OK, I mean, I have to accept 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.699 what, what, what can I say. 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:33.040 The other thing is that when we pray, we say, 0:35:33.149 --> 0:35:33.320 you know, 0:35:33.399 --> 0:35:35.679 we say all of our prayers, and then we say 0:35:35.679 --> 0:35:37.109 in Jesus' name, 0:35:37.399 --> 0:35:39.399 I bring this prayer to you or what. 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:46.479 If we believe in trinity, then why do you say Jesus' name? 0:35:47.439 --> 0:35:48.919 Why don't we say in the name of the Father, 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:50.379 the Son, and the Holy Spirit? 0:35:51.919 --> 0:35:53.320 Right, yeah, Phil. 0:35:54.259 --> 0:35:56.199 I, you know, Brent, I didn't hear, it's, it's a 0:35:56.199 --> 0:35:58.850 little bit bummer, I didn't hear the question. OK, so, 0:35:58.959 --> 0:36:03.409 Soraya's second question was, uh, since we believe in the Trinity, 0:36:03.540 --> 0:36:06.489 why do we close out our prayers, and it sounds 0:36:06.489 --> 0:36:09.419 weird to say close out our prayers. It's like, you know, 0:36:09.530 --> 0:36:13.340 writing a letter and saying sincerely, um, but, uh, why 0:36:13.340 --> 0:36:15.540 do we close out our prayers by saying in Jesus' 0:36:15.540 --> 0:36:18.620 name instead of, you know, the Father, the Son, and 0:36:18.620 --> 0:36:19.380 the Holy Spirit. 0:36:19.989 --> 0:36:22.350 Oh, got it. Well, you know, in like in, in 0:36:22.350 --> 0:36:25.739 the Gospel of John, John 14, probably 15 and 16 too, 0:36:25.790 --> 0:36:28.790 but for sure 14, Jesus says, whatever you ask in 0:36:28.790 --> 0:36:31.350 my name, I will do. So we just kind of 0:36:31.350 --> 0:36:35.070 take that really like right to the point, and, and 0:36:35.070 --> 0:36:37.689 I don't wanna um take away from the fact that 0:36:37.909 --> 0:36:41.390 Jesus is God, right? So when we are praying to, in, 0:36:41.469 --> 0:36:42.790 in Jesus' name. 0:36:43.469 --> 0:36:46.110 We are, it's not just like the name like the 0:36:46.110 --> 0:36:50.259 word Jesus, those letters, but it's also the character, uh, 0:36:50.270 --> 0:36:52.929 like he is God. So we're, we're praying in the, 0:36:53.489 --> 0:36:57.909 in the authority of the triune God. Uh, we just don't, 0:36:57.989 --> 0:36:59.529 that's a lot to say at the end of a 0:36:59.530 --> 0:37:02.509 prayer for dinner. We just, we just were told in 0:37:02.509 --> 0:37:05.509 John 14, Jesus says, whatever you ask in my name, 0:37:05.630 --> 0:37:08.468 I will do it. So, the church has taken on 0:37:08.469 --> 0:37:10.790 the practice of praying in Jesus' name. 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:12.330 What was that, Soraya? 0:37:12.770 --> 0:37:17.129 Whatever we ask is given to us, it's they, he 0:37:17.130 --> 0:37:18.380 sure takes his time, 0:37:18.770 --> 0:37:19.810 the Lord God. 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.919 Really, I mean, 25 years of begging for my pain 0:37:24.919 --> 0:37:25.739 to go away. 0:37:27.380 --> 0:37:32.658 Well, rheumatoid arthritis and it's me crying every day, 3 0:37:32.659 --> 0:37:35.759 or 4 times a day and praying and asking God. 0:37:35.820 --> 0:37:39.899 I mean, really, some of this stuff is really not 0:37:39.899 --> 0:37:43.498 fair for us human beings. And I know they say God, 0:37:43.610 --> 0:37:47.029 you know, gives it in His timing and not our timing, 0:37:47.060 --> 0:37:49.499 and I know that for every question. 0:37:50.748 --> 0:37:55.649 We the human beings to have the answer, and sometimes 0:37:55.989 --> 0:37:59.549 it makes me think about the mullahs in Iran where 0:37:59.550 --> 0:38:04.419 I was born. Everything, every time you ask a contradicting question, 0:38:05.070 --> 0:38:08.120 they give you some kind of answer that to me 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.509 sometimes it doesn't make much sense. But I guess there's 0:38:11.509 --> 0:38:14.229 a lot that we don't know. End of question, right? 0:38:15.050 --> 0:38:17.678 Yeah, and I think too, you know, we, I think 0:38:17.679 --> 0:38:23.890 sometimes we have expectations that are, are not really biblical expectations. 0:38:23.959 --> 0:38:26.689 I mean, we, everybody who's in pain wants to be 0:38:26.689 --> 0:38:29.850 out of pain. No question about it. And everybody wants 0:38:29.850 --> 0:38:33.009 to be out of pain as soon as possible. But 0:38:33.009 --> 0:38:37.130 there's no place in scripture that guarantees that we will 0:38:37.130 --> 0:38:40.449 not experience pain or that if we, you know, ask 0:38:40.449 --> 0:38:42.609 God to deliver us from the pain that he's going 0:38:42.610 --> 0:38:43.249 to do it. 0:38:43.669 --> 0:38:47.449 Um, sometimes we suffer and sometimes it doesn't seem like 0:38:47.449 --> 0:38:51.219 God hears us at all because nothing's changing. Like you said, 0:38:51.340 --> 0:38:53.570 you've been crying out for 25 years and you still 0:38:53.570 --> 0:38:58.020 have this, this tremendous pain. Um, and so I think 0:38:58.020 --> 0:39:01.540 what it comes back to in your case is maybe 0:39:01.540 --> 0:39:02.820 realizing that 0:39:03.459 --> 0:39:07.259 God, it's, let me give you an example from the 0:39:07.259 --> 0:39:12.060 life of Paul. Remember, Paul describes his own experience that 0:39:12.060 --> 0:39:14.310 he has um um 0:39:15.140 --> 0:39:19.689 He has this thorn in the flesh, he calls it, um, to, 0:39:19.780 --> 0:39:22.459 to me was given a thorn in the flesh. And 0:39:22.459 --> 0:39:27.739 I think just that description is, um, indicating that there's 0:39:27.739 --> 0:39:28.159 some 0:39:29.290 --> 0:39:33.839 Uh, amount of, of pretty serious discomfort that he is 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.899 living with. He doesn't tell us what it is, but he, 0:39:36.959 --> 0:39:38.759 he refers to it as a thorn in the flesh, 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:40.820 and then he does say it's a messenger of Satan 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:45.399 to buffet me. And then later he talks about rejoicing 0:39:45.399 --> 0:39:50.300 in his infirmity. So putting all those things together, you think, OK, 0:39:50.679 --> 0:39:56.089 Paul has some physical condition that causes him to suffer. 0:39:56.600 --> 0:40:00.919 And he says, I sought the Lord 3 times, and 0:40:00.919 --> 0:40:02.840 I think when he says I sought the Lord 3 times, 0:40:02.890 --> 0:40:05.209 I don't think he prayed about it 3 times. I 0:40:05.209 --> 0:40:09.570 think he's talking about seasons of really 3 seasons in 0:40:09.570 --> 0:40:12.649 his life where he said, God, you have got to 0:40:12.649 --> 0:40:15.530 deliver me from this. You have got to, uh, help me. 0:40:15.610 --> 0:40:18.130 I can't live with this anymore, you know, that sort 0:40:18.130 --> 0:40:18.770 of thing. 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.719 And then he says, but the Lord spoke to him 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:27.409 and said, My grace is sufficient for you. My strength 0:40:27.409 --> 0:40:31.850 is made perfect in your weakness. So basically God said, 0:40:31.929 --> 0:40:35.569 I'm not gonna heal you. I'm gonna give you grace, uh, 0:40:35.770 --> 0:40:40.800 to persevere. And so Paul said, So then since that. 0:40:41.300 --> 0:40:47.350 I rather rejoice in my infirmities and afflictions, knowing that 0:40:47.350 --> 0:40:51.540 when I am weak, then I am strong. 0:40:52.998 --> 0:40:54.080 Anything to add, Phil? 0:40:56.498 --> 0:40:59.370 No, that was great. Yes, Soraya, thank you for calling 0:40:59.370 --> 0:41:01.239 in today to Pastor's Perspective. 0:41:01.498 --> 0:41:03.580 I, I just want to say that, I love Soraya's honesty. 0:41:03.659 --> 0:41:06.370 I mean, I think that was, that was beautiful, you know. 0:41:06.540 --> 0:41:10.179 It's because it's true. It's like, yes, you know, and, 0:41:10.259 --> 0:41:13.340 and it is confusing sometimes because, you know, Jesus said, 0:41:13.380 --> 0:41:15.340 whatever you ask in my name, I will give it 0:41:15.340 --> 0:41:17.739 to you. And you're like, OK, well, Lord, I've, I'm 0:41:17.739 --> 0:41:20.409 asking these things and you're not giving them to me. Why? Well, 0:41:20.459 --> 0:41:23.860 I think again, I think sometimes we, even when we 0:41:23.860 --> 0:41:26.060 read the Bible, we have to recognize that. 0:41:26.429 --> 0:41:28.390 Uh, you know, somebody put it this way, and I, 0:41:28.469 --> 0:41:30.270 I think there's, I think there's a lot of truth 0:41:30.270 --> 0:41:30.630 to this. 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:34.439 The Bible was not written to us, but it was 0:41:34.439 --> 0:41:38.759 written for us, and I think so often we overlook 0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:44.020 Jesus is talking to certain people when he says these words, 0:41:44.479 --> 0:41:49.748 and sometimes these words apply directly to those people, and 0:41:49.748 --> 0:41:52.399 if we take them and we try to apply them 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:58.699 beyond that, they might apply, but they don't necessarily apply. 0:41:59.110 --> 0:42:04.350 So in John chapter 14 through chapter 7 or 1617 0:42:04.350 --> 0:42:07.979 is a prayer, but in those three chapters, Jesus is making, 0:42:08.070 --> 0:42:11.669 he says, um, uh, the works that I do, you're 0:42:11.669 --> 0:42:15.739 gonna do greater works than these. You're like, Jesus, where, 0:42:15.870 --> 0:42:19.229 where is that? Who is Jesus talking to? He was 0:42:19.229 --> 0:42:21.630 talking to the apostles. He was talking to the people 0:42:21.630 --> 0:42:23.709 that he was going to send into the world who 0:42:23.709 --> 0:42:25.189 did do the things that he did. 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.320 He wasn't talking to everybody. So I think we make 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:33.979 a mistake sometimes of applying to ourselves things that God 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:39.239 uh did not necessarily speak directly to us. Now, could 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:42.279 he speak those things to us? Sure, he could. 0:42:42.860 --> 0:42:46.419 But I think that's where we come to, you know, 0:42:46.498 --> 0:42:49.969 these individual moments where we say, yeah, I know, I 0:42:49.969 --> 0:42:53.259 know God spoke this to the apostles there, but I 0:42:53.259 --> 0:42:56.640 also know that he's spoken this to me as well. 0:42:56.979 --> 0:43:00.569 And that's the beauty of the, the personal relationship that 0:43:00.570 --> 0:43:02.540 we have with the Lord. Sometimes the Lord does do that. 0:43:03.100 --> 0:43:06.179 And we do get the question often, and Amber, we're 0:43:06.179 --> 0:43:07.770 gonna get to you in a moment, so don't hang up, 0:43:07.860 --> 0:43:10.810 but there are some verses that we see in Scripture. 0:43:11.580 --> 0:43:15.540 Jeremiah 29:11 comes up frequently where example, yeah, where people 0:43:15.540 --> 0:43:19.178 will say, well, I claimed this for myself, and can 0:43:19.179 --> 0:43:21.340 I claim this for myself, you know, because it was. 0:43:21.959 --> 0:43:25.120 It was for someone else in that time. So how 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.159 do we apply that to today? Or do we, do 0:43:27.159 --> 0:43:29.959 we just read it as a historical account, or, or what? 0:43:30.199 --> 0:43:31.719 Yeah, and, and I'm glad you brought that up because 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.270 I think that that is a great, a great example because, 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:35.840 you know, what a great passage. I know the thoughts 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.820 that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of 0:43:38.199 --> 0:43:39.919 good and not of evil to give you a future 0:43:39.919 --> 0:43:40.459 and a hope. 0:43:41.130 --> 0:43:46.089 And um if you look at the context, Jeremiah chapter 29, 0:43:46.610 --> 0:43:50.469 God is speaking very specifically to the people of Israel 0:43:50.810 --> 0:43:52.810 about the future blessing that he has for them. 0:43:53.580 --> 0:43:57.319 So that's the first interpretation. That's who it came to 0:43:57.530 --> 0:44:01.060 and that's who it's for, and that will be uh 0:44:01.060 --> 0:44:05.899 the reality at the time. But I think because we 0:44:05.899 --> 0:44:07.959 are also the people of God. 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.989 God can take that same passage that he originally spoke 0:44:11.989 --> 0:44:15.069 to Israel and he could say, hey, guess what? This 0:44:15.070 --> 0:44:18.189 is for you today too. I, I wanna give you 0:44:18.189 --> 0:44:22.270 this truth that you take this truth and you embrace 0:44:22.270 --> 0:44:28.830 it yourself. And, and I believe 100% that we, uh, are, 0:44:28.989 --> 0:44:31.549 are to do it. That's what that's basically what taking 0:44:31.550 --> 0:44:34.350 God at His word means. Now I've heard, I've heard 0:44:34.350 --> 0:44:37.249 people wanna get, you know, super. 0:44:38.189 --> 0:44:42.270 You know, well, theologically this is speaking to Israel, so we, 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:44.179 you know, don't try to take it and make it 0:44:44.179 --> 0:44:47.669 a promise for yourself. Well, if that's your approach to 0:44:47.669 --> 0:44:53.149 the Bible, you're gonna be a very poor Christian because, uh, and, 0:44:53.189 --> 0:44:54.949 and the New Testament tells us that the things that 0:44:54.949 --> 0:44:58.749 were spoken, the things that were written before were written 0:44:58.748 --> 0:45:01.149 for our learning. 0:45:01.570 --> 0:45:03.408 That we through the patience of the and the comfort 0:45:03.409 --> 0:45:05.489 of the scriptures might have hope. So this is a 0:45:05.489 --> 0:45:07.049 bit of a pet peeve, as you can tell because 0:45:07.050 --> 0:45:08.449 I'm off on a tangent. 0:45:09.998 --> 0:45:13.360 Tell us how you really feel about it. No, I 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.560 love it actually. I just, I was gonna kind of 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.679 chime in there too as you were speaking about it 0:45:17.679 --> 0:45:20.679 and just say like it is like a common mistake 0:45:20.679 --> 0:45:22.840 that a lot of us like in, in teaching roles 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.820 will make where, you know, you study something, you learn something, 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:30.080 and then you, you jump immediately more to the application 0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:32.040 element of that and you. 0:45:32.540 --> 0:45:34.380 You know, that's why we always learn like when you're 0:45:34.380 --> 0:45:37.540 learning like how to like study the Bible, the hermeneutics 0:45:37.540 --> 0:45:41.009 behind it, you, we always learn context is king, right? 0:45:41.300 --> 0:45:43.879 So we want to stay within the context and then 0:45:44.020 --> 0:45:46.759 the character of God allows us to extend that beyond 0:45:46.759 --> 0:45:50.100 just that literal context into, you know, if God loves 0:45:50.100 --> 0:45:52.259 Brian and I know the character of God, that means 0:45:52.259 --> 0:45:53.339 he also loves me. 0:45:53.429 --> 0:45:57.780 Or whatever, but sometimes we miss the the earlier steps. And, 0:45:57.870 --> 0:46:00.509 and it does, it becomes confusing to people. I like 0:46:00.509 --> 0:46:02.429 the way you've expressed that, Brian. It was great. Yeah. 0:46:02.630 --> 0:46:05.419 And sometimes too, like when you take, and this is 0:46:05.419 --> 0:46:07.350 where people get into all kinds of trouble with like 0:46:07.350 --> 0:46:10.748 a prosperity doctrine and stuff, because they take promises that 0:46:10.748 --> 0:46:14.350 God gave to the nation of Israel in covenant with him. 0:46:14.790 --> 0:46:18.310 And then they try to apply them broadly to the church, 0:46:18.509 --> 0:46:21.909 or they try to apply them to their own lives, like, 0:46:22.199 --> 0:46:24.149 You know, God says this right here, you know, that 0:46:24.149 --> 0:46:26.040 if you do this and this and that, then he's 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:29.360 gonna prosper you, he's gonna bless you, your, your fields 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.520 are gonna be full of crops and your, uh, you know, 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:36.199 your flocks are gonna flourish and all of this kind 0:46:36.199 --> 0:46:38.919 of stuff. And and basically you're gonna prosper. 0:46:39.929 --> 0:46:46.259 Well, maybe, but the promise was originally there and that's 0:46:46.259 --> 0:46:49.610 where it starts. God might give it to you as 0:46:49.610 --> 0:46:52.770 an individual Christian, but to take it and transfer it 0:46:52.770 --> 0:46:58.779 to the church in its entirety or to your congregation 0:46:58.780 --> 0:46:59.890 if you're a pastor. 0:47:00.229 --> 0:47:02.919 Then that's where you cross a line, I think. 0:47:03.350 --> 0:47:05.469 And, and aren't they making the very same mistake when 0:47:05.469 --> 0:47:08.259 you get into that prosperity doctrine? Is that like, oh, 0:47:08.310 --> 0:47:10.189 you know, if you do this, and God's gonna bless 0:47:10.189 --> 0:47:12.540 you and give you lots of land and flocks, it's like, 0:47:12.860 --> 0:47:15.179 so they, they spiritualize the blessings because none of us 0:47:15.179 --> 0:47:17.609 got land in flocks. I mean the majority of us. 0:47:17.989 --> 0:47:21.320 So they have no problem to spiritualize what blessings looks like, 0:47:21.429 --> 0:47:24.790 but then they claim a promise literally that isn't, you 0:47:24.790 --> 0:47:26.969 know what I mean, it's just out of context completely. 0:47:28.248 --> 0:47:30.570 And I don't own sheep. I don't have any sheep, 0:47:30.649 --> 0:47:32.770 and they wouldn't be a blessing to me in San Diego. 0:47:32.890 --> 0:47:35.649 They would not, I would not see in my little 0:47:35.649 --> 0:47:38.270 home that having a bunch of sheep would actually be 0:47:38.270 --> 0:47:38.850 a blessing. 0:47:39.850 --> 0:47:40.408 This is true, 0:47:40.630 --> 0:47:43.570 but you could get a goat, and man, they, they 0:47:43.570 --> 0:47:46.409 are so fun, you know, the way they run around 0:47:46.409 --> 0:47:50.590 and ram people and jump up and down here and 0:47:50.590 --> 0:47:52.969 there and everywhere. Goats 0:47:52.969 --> 0:47:53.209 are 0:47:53.209 --> 0:47:53.489 really 0:47:53.489 --> 0:47:54.610 fascinating little. 0:47:56.189 --> 0:47:57.609 Pastor Brian wants a goat. 0:47:58.580 --> 0:48:00.238 Uh, well, you know, 0:48:00.498 --> 0:48:03.259 for his birthday we can get him a goat. OK, perfect. 0:48:04.169 --> 0:48:07.459 Amber in Monterey Park watching us on YouTube. Let's wave 0:48:07.459 --> 0:48:12.380 hi to Amber. Thanks for calling 888-564-6173. What did you 0:48:12.380 --> 0:48:13.080 want to ask? 0:48:15.130 --> 0:48:18.610 My question is, I have nieces and nephews that have 0:48:18.610 --> 0:48:21.570 gone through just a horrible time in their home. 0:48:22.259 --> 0:48:25.580 One of them is really struggling right now because she 0:48:25.580 --> 0:48:29.939 has a mom who is really her grandmother that sat 0:48:29.939 --> 0:48:32.379 her down and told her that she was gonna give 0:48:32.380 --> 0:48:35.199 her away because she was such a bad little girl. 0:48:35.540 --> 0:48:39.979 She was already calling residential services when this little girl 0:48:39.979 --> 0:48:42.780 is the sweetest girl on the face of the earth. 0:48:42.929 --> 0:48:45.100 She has an uncle that told her that it was 0:48:45.100 --> 0:48:49.020 her own fault that she got beaten up in mental 0:48:49.020 --> 0:48:50.080 health hospital. 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.859 And I'm wondering, why does it say in the Bible that, um, 0:48:54.870 --> 0:48:58.290 would a parent give their child a stone instead of 0:48:58.290 --> 0:49:01.810 an egg or a snake instead of an egg? Why 0:49:01.810 --> 0:49:05.729 would this parent basically give the worst kind of stone 0:49:05.729 --> 0:49:08.449 or egg to this child when they're supposed to be 0:49:08.449 --> 0:49:12.810 the parent? Or how is it that her angels are 0:49:12.810 --> 0:49:16.489 protecting her? Cause in Matthew, I think it says something 0:49:16.489 --> 0:49:19.729 about a child's angels see the face of God. 0:49:20.290 --> 0:49:23.550 So why is this poor child going through this horrific 0:49:24.909 --> 0:49:30.069 Maltreatment in her home, um, when I ask God every 0:49:30.070 --> 0:49:34.029 single day to protect her, and, um, I have the 0:49:34.030 --> 0:49:36.989 oldest daughter living with me, but I'm not able to 0:49:36.989 --> 0:49:40.509 take this particular one in just at the moment we're 0:49:40.509 --> 0:49:41.390 working on it. 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:45.229 But these children have just been in a horrible home, 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:49.919 and I've been praying for years, decades, actually, and why 0:49:49.919 --> 0:49:53.498 can't we seem to get any help or assistance, or, 0:49:53.748 --> 0:49:56.120 I've been praying for the mother to change her heart, 0:49:56.130 --> 0:49:59.989 and their uncle to change his heart, and to be saved, 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.050 and we're supposed to pray. 0:50:02.669 --> 0:50:06.179 Um, in God's will, isn't it God's will for them 0:50:06.179 --> 0:50:09.259 to be saved when I've been praying for decades for 0:50:09.259 --> 0:50:14.100 these abusive people to be saved, and I would also 0:50:14.100 --> 0:50:17.479 like a prayer request. Yeah, Amber, how old is your niece? 0:50:19.030 --> 0:50:21.880 The particular one I'm talking about is 14. 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:26.520 Yeah, Amber, you know, you've called several times and basically 0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:30.959 told us the story over and over again, and I remember, 0:50:31.199 --> 0:50:34.120 I think you called maybe last week, and I, I 0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.919 remember Phil specifically asked you about, you know, what have 0:50:37.919 --> 0:50:41.739 you done, and, and you told us about the older, um, 0:50:41.748 --> 0:50:44.719 niece that you've taken to, to live with you, uh, 0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:46.370 which is wonderful. 0:50:46.830 --> 0:50:51.009 And uh but my question is, you know, what are you, 0:50:51.590 --> 0:50:54.100 are you calling us and, and repeating this story over 0:50:54.100 --> 0:50:58.350 and over again, um, because you just want more people 0:50:58.350 --> 0:51:02.550 to pray, uh, with you? I mean, it sounds like 0:51:02.550 --> 0:51:05.649 there's always a little bit of a why hasn't God, 0:51:06.350 --> 0:51:09.630 you know, and if God said this and you know, 0:51:09.709 --> 0:51:13.780 why hasn't he done that, um, but I, my question 0:51:13.780 --> 0:51:16.270 to you is what specifically. 0:51:17.449 --> 0:51:22.380 Are you calling us regularly telling us the same story for? 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:28.209 Um, I want prayer and I want answers on what 0:51:28.209 --> 0:51:31.169 to do, how to do it, because I would love 0:51:31.169 --> 0:51:35.249 to take her in at this particular moment. I'm just 0:51:35.248 --> 0:51:37.729 not able to right now, but I'm, I'm trying to 0:51:37.729 --> 0:51:38.370 work on it. 0:51:39.009 --> 0:51:42.498 Um, so I don't know if God, I don't know 0:51:42.498 --> 0:51:45.540 what God wants me to do or how to proceed 0:51:45.540 --> 0:51:49.969 or what I'm supposed to do because if I report it, 0:51:50.248 --> 0:51:53.739 it's their grandmother and she's 70 years old. So do 0:51:53.739 --> 0:51:58.659 you report that? Or what do you do in this situation? I. 0:51:58.735 --> 0:52:01.373 Literally pray every day. I don't know what to do. 0:52:01.455 --> 0:52:04.774 I don't know how to handle it. I'm trying. I used, 0:52:04.854 --> 0:52:08.935 I take the kids in to visit with me all 0:52:08.935 --> 0:52:11.804 the time as often as possible just to get them 0:52:11.804 --> 0:52:15.475 out of the house. So I guess my question is, 0:52:15.975 --> 0:52:17.814 I don't know what to do and this has been 0:52:17.814 --> 0:52:20.755 going on for so long, and I just want it 0:52:20.755 --> 0:52:23.975 to be over and I'm exhausted and I guess I 0:52:23.975 --> 0:52:24.935 just need prayer. 0:52:25.614 --> 0:52:27.235 Yeah, and that's. 0:52:28.310 --> 0:52:32.330 Exactly what, what we are able to do. We can 0:52:32.330 --> 0:52:35.859 pray for you and, and will pray for you. And I, 0:52:36.110 --> 0:52:39.790 you know, I think on one level, you know, you 0:52:39.790 --> 0:52:40.928 are doing. 0:52:42.399 --> 0:52:43.620 You're doing all you can do. 0:52:44.509 --> 0:52:49.370 And I, I don't think you have to live under 0:52:49.370 --> 0:52:53.169 this weight of somehow you have to solve this. So 0:52:53.550 --> 0:52:56.469 you're doing what you can do from a practical standpoint, 0:52:56.748 --> 0:53:03.109 you're praying regularly, um, God, even though the circumstances are 0:53:03.110 --> 0:53:07.219 not what you hope they will be at some point, uh, 0:53:07.350 --> 0:53:12.169 God is still working, um, and I think that there 0:53:12.169 --> 0:53:14.049 is a place where you just have to. 0:53:14.748 --> 0:53:17.030 Just rest and say, OK, I, I'm doing what I 0:53:17.030 --> 0:53:20.640 can do, and you keep praying and you get prayer 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:25.379 like you're doing today and keep trusting the Lord, uh, 0:53:25.659 --> 0:53:29.549 you know, we've all seen so many things where we think, God, 0:53:29.630 --> 0:53:33.880 this is so wrong and it needs to be righted, 0:53:34.449 --> 0:53:39.109 but for whatever reason, God has not seen fit to 0:53:39.110 --> 0:53:42.350 write it at this time and this is life in 0:53:42.350 --> 0:53:43.390 a fallen world. 0:53:43.919 --> 0:53:48.159 And it's just the way it is. One day it'll 0:53:48.159 --> 0:53:51.899 all be fixed, and we will all marvel at the, 0:53:52.050 --> 0:53:56.209 the wisdom of God. But in the meantime we kind 0:53:56.209 --> 0:53:59.130 of scratch our heads sometimes and think, uh, and you know, 0:53:59.169 --> 0:54:01.330 the Psalms are full of this. I would say just 0:54:01.340 --> 0:54:04.130 camp out in the Psalms because the Psalmist have the 0:54:04.130 --> 0:54:07.929 same kind of perplexities that you're experiencing. Lord, why, why 0:54:07.929 --> 0:54:11.408 is this happening? If you said this, how is it 0:54:11.409 --> 0:54:12.459 that this is going on? 0:54:12.959 --> 0:54:15.969 And Lord, we know that you do not delight in 0:54:15.969 --> 0:54:18.589 the wicked, but why do the wicked seem to prosper? 0:54:18.689 --> 0:54:21.290 How come they seem to always get a break? And 0:54:21.290 --> 0:54:25.270 the righteous people, it just seems like all day long 0:54:25.810 --> 0:54:33.009 we are suffering and miserable, and you're not delivering us. So, so, Lord, 0:54:33.090 --> 0:54:36.449 we do pray again for Amber today. We join. 0:54:36.939 --> 0:54:40.299 With her in crying out for these kids, Lord, and 0:54:40.300 --> 0:54:44.739 all of this just sounds like so many uh injustices 0:54:44.739 --> 0:54:49.540 taking place, so many things that just are not right 0:54:49.540 --> 0:54:53.419 with these parents and relatives and God we just pray 0:54:53.419 --> 0:54:57.899 for mercy, we pray for deliverance, we pray, Lord, you're 0:54:57.899 --> 0:55:01.350 able to be with these kids in a way that 0:55:01.620 --> 0:55:03.379 no human can even be with them. 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:07.248 So we just entrust them into your care. Pray that 0:55:07.248 --> 0:55:11.998 you would bring about the right thing at the right 0:55:11.998 --> 0:55:14.159 time in Jesus' name. Amen. 0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:17.199 Amen. Everybody watching and listening is gonna be praying for 0:55:17.199 --> 0:55:19.759 your family, Amber. If we had more time, I would 0:55:19.759 --> 0:55:23.520 have asked you, what is your hesitation in reporting 70 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.100 or 73 year old grandmother, cause I mean, 0:55:27.090 --> 0:55:27.850 Come on, 0:55:28.050 --> 0:55:30.449 I mean, you know, 70 year old people are plenty 0:55:30.449 --> 0:55:36.350 capable of doing bad things and are plenty, uh, accountable 0:55:36.649 --> 0:55:37.060 for them. 0:55:37.489 --> 0:55:37.669 Yeah, yeah. 0:55:37.890 --> 0:55:40.129 So maybe I, I don't know. That's just my opinion. 0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:42.050 I'm not, I'm, it's just me. 0:55:42.169 --> 0:55:43.870 I'm not saying it on behalf of the radio station 0:55:43.870 --> 0:55:46.850 or the church or anything, just, but, um, that might 0:55:46.850 --> 0:55:50.009 be your next step. I don't know. I don't know, 0:55:50.149 --> 0:55:52.169 but we'll be praying for you. God bless you guys. 0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:55.770 Thanks for watching and listening to Pastor's Perspective. Thank you, Brian. 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:57.310 Thank you, Phil. Talk to you guys later.