WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-09/24/26 0:00:19.780 --> 0:00:24.819 Hey gay guys, guys, hey guys, welcome to Pastor's perspective. 0:00:24.860 --> 0:00:28.169 I don't know what I was my tongue got twisted there, but, uh, 0:00:28.220 --> 0:00:31.339 hey everybody, yeah, reverse, yes, put it in reverse. Put 0:00:31.339 --> 0:00:33.659 it in reverse. Start over. Wish we could do that. 0:00:33.748 --> 0:00:39.140 Welcome to Pastor's perspective. I'm your host Brian Perez. It's Thursday. 0:00:39.450 --> 0:00:40.859 We are here to answer the question. 0:00:41.054 --> 0:00:44.263 you have about the Bible, the Christian faith, just about 0:00:44.263 --> 0:00:49.825 anything that's on your mind, 888-564-6173 is the number to call. Uh, 0:00:49.903 --> 0:00:52.984 we'd love chatting with you guys, however, uh, there is 0:00:52.985 --> 0:00:55.744 a way that you can send your question in online, 0:00:56.063 --> 0:00:58.545 in case you can't call when we're here in the studio, 0:00:58.735 --> 0:01:01.854 but we are here in the studio. So call, make 0:01:01.854 --> 0:01:02.345 every effort. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:07.520 To call between now and 4 o'clock. 888-564-6173 is the 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.438 number to call. And uh answering your questions today, we've 0:01:10.438 --> 0:01:15.000 got Brian Broderson, the Pastor Emeritus of Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa. 0:01:15.069 --> 0:01:17.600 You can find out what he's been up to on 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.219 his website, echoesofmercy.com. And Tommy Coda is joining us today. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.969 He's the pastor of Hope Alive Church in Santa Ana. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.289 You also hear him on K-Wave on the weekends. Hope 0:01:28.289 --> 0:01:31.520 Alive Radio, heard Sunday afternoons at 2. 0:01:31.979 --> 0:01:35.109 Welcome guys. Tommy, thanks for coming in. Oh, you're welcome. Yeah, 0:01:35.219 --> 0:01:36.820 it's a joy. I get to, I get to hang 0:01:36.819 --> 0:01:38.979 out with, uh, Pastor Brian. At least I get to 0:01:38.979 --> 0:01:41.538 see him. Here he is. Yes, yeah, it's been a while. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.520 Yeah, yeah, so, um, 0:01:46.179 --> 0:01:47.859 Saturday I'm, I'm coming home Saturday, 0:01:48.339 --> 0:01:48.600 yeah, 0:01:49.420 --> 0:01:52.119 and I will be home till Thursday. 0:01:54.780 --> 0:01:57.280 OK, so like a little for the weekend almost, 0:01:58.180 --> 0:02:04.180 yeah, just Cheryl said get home and we need to 0:02:04.180 --> 0:02:09.089 plant new grass and you need to get here and 0:02:09.089 --> 0:02:10.060 do that, so. 0:02:11.119 --> 0:02:14.089 Then you'll have meetings and whatnot and who knows, who 0:02:14.089 --> 0:02:16.180 knows if we'll actually see you in the studio, but 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:16.859 that would be nice. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.079 Oh no, I'll be in the studio. 0:02:19.559 --> 0:02:21.960 That's good, yeah, yeah. Hopefully we can catch up and 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.460 get some coffee if we have some time. 0:02:24.370 --> 0:02:26.570 After you plant your grass, I was gonna say you 0:02:26.570 --> 0:02:29.049 can maybe go help him plant, plant the grass, and 0:02:29.049 --> 0:02:32.290 then you can have his attention that way. But you 0:02:32.290 --> 0:02:36.210 throw some grass, throw some seed on it, yeah, and 0:02:36.210 --> 0:02:37.010 water it well. 0:02:37.779 --> 0:02:41.939 That's the way to do it. 888-564-6173 is the number 0:02:41.939 --> 0:02:45.350 to call, so call. Uh, before we go to the phones, 0:02:45.430 --> 0:02:47.669 we're going to answer part two of a question that 0:02:47.669 --> 0:02:51.230 we started answering yesterday. Robert and Alicia sent in a 0:02:51.230 --> 0:02:56.449 question on Facebook, and they actually sent in two questions, and, uh, 0:02:56.469 --> 0:02:59.579 so we read the first one, answered it, and ran 0:02:59.579 --> 0:03:02.630 out of time before we could get to the second question, but, um, 0:03:03.290 --> 0:03:07.230 The question is about the, the saying in the Bible, 0:03:07.490 --> 0:03:09.730 it says here, the promise of Jeremiah, but I thought 0:03:09.730 --> 0:03:12.189 it was in Ezekiel, but I was proven wrong yesterday 0:03:12.189 --> 0:03:14.689 with another Bible passage, so I could be wrong on 0:03:14.689 --> 0:03:16.850 this too, but, uh, the question is, how can the 0:03:16.850 --> 0:03:19.689 promise of Jeremiah of the heart of stone and heart 0:03:19.689 --> 0:03:21.549 of flesh apply today. 0:03:22.159 --> 0:03:25.449 When that covenant says that they will obey my commands 0:03:25.449 --> 0:03:28.290 and in the church, it is clear that nobody truly 0:03:28.290 --> 0:03:32.609 obeys fully, and many don't even obey partially. Is it 0:03:32.609 --> 0:03:36.320 possible that this is a future covenant to Israel and 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.370 our covenant is from the Last Supper and the promise 0:03:39.370 --> 0:03:41.529 of Jesus for the gift of the Holy Spirit in 0:03:41.529 --> 0:03:44.570 the Gospels and early Acts? Brian, what say you? 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:51.430 Yes, well, Brian, I want to commend you. You're right, 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:56.919 it is Ezekiel who says that, and um of course 0:03:56.919 --> 0:03:58.579 this is the. 0:03:59.340 --> 0:04:01.730 You know, God is talking about the new covenant that 0:04:01.730 --> 0:04:05.680 he will make with them, and there, of course, Jeremiah chapter, 0:04:06.139 --> 0:04:10.340 what is it, 31, um, talks about, I will make 0:04:10.340 --> 0:04:13.340 a new covenant with the house of Israel, not according 0:04:13.340 --> 0:04:15.980 to the covenant that I made with them when I 0:04:16.419 --> 0:04:17.820 took them by the hand and led them out of 0:04:17.820 --> 0:04:21.120 Egypt because they did not continue in that covenant, but 0:04:21.540 --> 0:04:23.980 um this is a covenant that I will make with 0:04:23.980 --> 0:04:27.020 them after those days, says the Lord. I will write 0:04:27.020 --> 0:04:28.739 my law in their heart. 0:04:29.620 --> 0:04:36.539 So that is Jeremiah, and the author of Hebrews quotes 0:04:36.539 --> 0:04:37.799 that exactly. 0:04:38.669 --> 0:04:42.940 And this will be the covenant that Israel. 0:04:43.948 --> 0:04:47.310 Finally enters into in the future. So it is the 0:04:47.310 --> 0:04:50.949 new covenant, it's the covenant that um we have entered 0:04:50.948 --> 0:04:54.270 into with the Lord, those who have put their trust 0:04:54.270 --> 0:04:58.229 in Jesus, um, our sins and our iniquities are remembered 0:04:58.229 --> 0:05:01.310 no more. He's written his law in our hearts. We 0:05:01.310 --> 0:05:04.109 don't need someone to say know the Lord, for all 0:05:04.109 --> 0:05:07.749 of us are capable of knowing the Lord, every, every 0:05:07.750 --> 0:05:10.448 single person from the least to the greatest, so. 0:05:11.389 --> 0:05:11.680 Yeah, 0:05:12.549 --> 0:05:14.310 what would you add, Tommy? I don't know if I 0:05:14.310 --> 0:05:17.430 can add anything to that other than, you know, it's 0:05:17.430 --> 0:05:18.439 just the 0:05:19.299 --> 0:05:23.250 The mercy and the grace of God to transform our 0:05:23.250 --> 0:05:26.698 lives because today with the power of the gospel and 0:05:26.698 --> 0:05:30.900 the gospel message transforms us, like, you know, for, for 0:05:30.900 --> 0:05:33.180 all of us who've said, Jesus, come into my life. 0:05:33.219 --> 0:05:35.258 It's like, you know, we can look back at it, man. 0:05:35.659 --> 0:05:38.060 My heart, my life was so, you know, it was 0:05:38.060 --> 0:05:40.109 like a stone, it was a rock, it was dead. 0:05:40.219 --> 0:05:42.849 And now look, this is what God has done. He's 0:05:42.849 --> 0:05:44.660 given us a new heart, you know, and it just 0:05:44.659 --> 0:05:47.659 always makes me think of like God is a God 0:05:47.659 --> 0:05:51.758 of new things. He gives us a new life, new creations, 0:05:51.979 --> 0:05:55.509 a new heart, a new mind, you know, and, um, 0:05:55.659 --> 0:05:57.979 and that's just the the goodness of God. And so yeah, 0:05:58.099 --> 0:06:01.120 that that that goodness of God I'm always reminded of 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:02.859 when he takes the heart of stone and gives a 0:06:02.859 --> 0:06:04.319 heart of flesh. I love that. 0:06:05.150 --> 0:06:08.789 Thank you so much to Robert and Alicia for sending 0:06:08.789 --> 0:06:13.750 in your question through the pastor's perspective Facebook page using messenger. 0:06:14.068 --> 0:06:17.169 Here's another question that was submitted online. It's from Lucy 0:06:17.469 --> 0:06:18.460 and um 0:06:19.870 --> 0:06:25.469 The question is, uh, please summarize scriptures on pre-med and 0:06:25.469 --> 0:06:29.029 post tribulation rapture. I'm having a hard time trying to 0:06:29.029 --> 0:06:33.969 figure out why our pastor is post-rib without providing scripture reference. 0:06:34.539 --> 0:06:34.789 Brian, 0:06:34.849 --> 0:06:35.469 we'll start with you. 0:06:38.089 --> 0:06:38.739 Um, 0:06:40.659 --> 0:06:47.229 Well, I, yeah, I mean, provide scripture for pre-mit and post. Ah, 0:06:47.318 --> 0:06:52.339 I happen to be pre-trip, so the passages that I 0:06:52.339 --> 0:06:59.379 would refer to, like 1 Corinthians chapter 15 or 1 0:06:59.378 --> 0:07:04.359 Thessalonians chapter 4, which neither one of them actually, ah, 0:07:06.940 --> 0:07:08.430 Clearly state. 0:07:09.270 --> 0:07:15.000 The timing of the rapture, this is the problem with the, um, 0:07:15.349 --> 0:07:19.669 you know, pre-med and post. I think 1 Corinthians 15 0:07:19.669 --> 0:07:25.069 and 1 Thessalonians 4 teach unequivocally that there is what 0:07:25.069 --> 0:07:28.349 we call a rapture. There are people who are alive 0:07:28.349 --> 0:07:31.590 and remain and who are caught up in the clouds 0:07:31.590 --> 0:07:34.750 in the uh to meet the Lord in the air. Um, 0:07:34.949 --> 0:07:36.910 so that's, that's the rapture. 0:07:37.669 --> 0:07:44.989 But neither of the passages speak of the timing, so 0:07:44.990 --> 0:07:50.190 you're left to kind of uh piece together from other 0:07:50.190 --> 0:07:58.289 passages a picture of what it seems to be the, 0:07:58.349 --> 0:08:02.549 the most likely case. Now, I happened to land in 0:08:02.549 --> 0:08:03.310 the pre-trib. 0:08:04.359 --> 0:08:08.119 Camp, like I said, uh, others happen to land in 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:12.419 the post-trip camp, um, and then of course there are those, um, 0:08:12.879 --> 0:08:16.479 who land in the mid-trip camp as well. But my 0:08:16.479 --> 0:08:18.960 point in saying all of this is that there is 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.440 no clear statement. I wish there was, I wish there 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.520 was a just a super clear statement where, you know, 0:08:26.599 --> 0:08:28.699 maybe the apostle Paul would have said, hey, listen. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.069 Before the tribulation comes and the antichrist, all the stuff 0:08:32.069 --> 0:08:35.069 I'm talking to you about in Thessalonians, don't worry, before this, 0:08:35.150 --> 0:08:36.549 the church is going to be taken out of the 0:08:36.549 --> 0:08:38.859 world in the rapture. That would have been awesome. 0:08:39.910 --> 0:08:40.030 He 0:08:40.030 --> 0:08:41.509 could have did that in one, he could have done 0:08:41.509 --> 0:08:41.819 it in one 0:08:41.819 --> 0:08:42.328 verse. 0:08:43.230 --> 0:08:46.360 Yes, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.100 would be no debates. A bunch of people would have 0:08:48.100 --> 0:08:50.210 never written or sold any books, 0:08:51.069 --> 0:08:51.469 but. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.720 Pray less, less division in the church. 0:08:55.619 --> 0:08:56.150 Exactly, that's 0:08:56.150 --> 0:08:58.300 what I was gonna say, less Christians and we'd be 0:08:58.300 --> 0:09:03.498 mad at each other over different opinions, but, um, you know, 0:09:03.569 --> 0:09:08.300 there are passages that I think, um, Jesus in Luke 21, 0:09:08.460 --> 0:09:12.339 he's talking about the end times and he's talking about 0:09:12.340 --> 0:09:14.360 the judgment that's going to come up on the whole 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.860 world to test those who dwell on the face of 0:09:16.860 --> 0:09:18.900 the earth, and he says, pray that you may be 0:09:18.900 --> 0:09:20.639 counted worthy to escape these things. 0:09:21.059 --> 0:09:25.980 So Jesus talks about escaping them, and then in Revelation 0:09:25.980 --> 0:09:31.459 chapter 3 to the um to the Church of Philadelphia, 0:09:31.980 --> 0:09:35.460 Jesus says a similar thing. He says, because you have 0:09:35.460 --> 0:09:41.599 kept my word to persevere, I will keep you. 0:09:42.619 --> 0:09:46.059 From the hour of trial, which will come upon the 0:09:46.059 --> 0:09:49.979 whole earth. So there again is a promise, there's Luke 0:09:49.980 --> 0:09:54.179 21 and there's Revelation 3, and then if you look 0:09:54.179 --> 0:09:56.498 at Revelation, you see it as futuristic. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.759 You see the divisions where the first portion of it 0:09:59.759 --> 0:10:04.030 is dealing with the church, and then chapter 4 begins 0:10:04.030 --> 0:10:07.150 with the words after these things, which you could, I think, 0:10:07.199 --> 0:10:11.319 interpret to be after the things of the church. He's 0:10:11.319 --> 0:10:14.069 been talking about the church through the letters to the 0:10:14.069 --> 0:10:17.238 seven churches, and then there is no reference to the 0:10:17.239 --> 0:10:18.079 church again. 0:10:18.410 --> 0:10:25.179 Until Revelation 19, when Jesus is returning and he's coming 0:10:25.179 --> 0:10:27.979 with the saints and um. 0:10:28.780 --> 0:10:33.900 So, you know, the church reappears at that point. So 0:10:33.900 --> 0:10:36.220 anyway, and there are some that, well, I think isn't 0:10:36.220 --> 0:10:38.619 that where like some who, who kind of land in 0:10:38.619 --> 0:10:42.720 the position of post tribulation, they kind of land and that's, 0:10:42.860 --> 0:10:45.100 that's the point of the rapture because, uh, I think 0:10:45.100 --> 0:10:47.280 it's in Matthew chapter 24. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.730 And Jesus, he, he talks about that, you know, he 0:10:50.730 --> 0:10:54.610 says like, um, and, and, and he will, he will 0:10:54.610 --> 0:10:57.319 send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and 0:10:57.319 --> 0:10:59.969 they will gather his elect from the four winds from 0:10:59.970 --> 0:11:03.129 the one end, um, of heaven into the other. And that's, 0:11:03.199 --> 0:11:06.369 and that's in reference to his second coming. And so 0:11:06.369 --> 0:11:10.770 I think that's where a passage where people who say the, they, 0:11:10.850 --> 0:11:13.850 they put their, uh, their position in the post-tribulation. 0:11:14.739 --> 0:11:20.280 Yeah, and I think most, most, um, support for post-rib 0:11:20.730 --> 0:11:24.699 would be drawn from Matthew 24. Matthew 24 is a 0:11:24.699 --> 0:11:29.780 big text for, um, post-rib, and then, uh, First Thessalonians, 0:11:29.970 --> 0:11:34.579 they also, uh, talk about, um, you know, those who 0:11:34.578 --> 0:11:36.179 are alive and remain being caught up. 0:11:36.939 --> 0:11:39.309 to meet the Lord in the air, they have this 0:11:39.970 --> 0:11:43.650 idea that, well, this is the church meeting Jesus as 0:11:43.650 --> 0:11:47.249 he's coming back for his second coming. Just like in 0:11:47.249 --> 0:11:49.889 the ancient world, people would go out to meet the 0:11:49.889 --> 0:11:54.770 triumphant general who's coming back from a conflict, and I've 0:11:54.770 --> 0:11:57.729 heard that one over and over and over again, which 0:11:57.730 --> 0:12:00.628 that might have happened in the ancient world. 0:12:01.059 --> 0:12:04.660 Uh, but that's not necessarily what the text says, and 0:12:04.660 --> 0:12:08.179 I've even heard guys say, this word meet, you know, 0:12:08.300 --> 0:12:11.138 we will meet the Lord in the air. This means 0:12:11.139 --> 0:12:13.220 to meet, like you go out and meet a, a 0:12:13.220 --> 0:12:17.379 victorious general coming back. Well, no, it doesn't mean that. 0:12:17.460 --> 0:12:17.780 It just 0:12:17.780 --> 0:12:18.059 means 0:12:18.059 --> 0:12:18.559 meet. 0:12:18.980 --> 0:12:19.960 You have to 0:12:20.340 --> 0:12:23.439 interject this other 0:12:23.439 --> 0:12:23.868 idea 0:12:23.869 --> 0:12:24.300 context, yeah. 0:12:25.259 --> 0:12:25.559 Yeah, 0:12:25.759 --> 0:12:26.160 so 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:31.110 anyway, it seems like there's more like biblical references, um, 0:12:31.319 --> 0:12:34.920 at least in, in my opinion regarding pre-tribulation, you know, 0:12:34.999 --> 0:12:36.840 and again, it's not very clear, but there seems to 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.679 be more references to that. And I think that's why, 0:12:39.790 --> 0:12:43.699 you know, there's probably people who land in that camp. 0:12:43.850 --> 0:12:46.329 Right there. And I would, I would encourage Lucy. Her 0:12:46.328 --> 0:12:48.129 name's Lucy, right? Yeah, I would encourage Lucy, you know, 0:12:48.210 --> 0:12:51.800 this is something that, you know, she's probably asking questions about. Well, 0:12:52.259 --> 0:12:55.420 she obviously, she's got some questions for her pastor. I 0:12:55.420 --> 0:12:57.280 would encourage her to to have a conversation with her 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.650 pastor because maybe he's got some really good, you know, 0:12:59.809 --> 0:13:03.050 some really good insights on that. And you know what I, 0:13:03.129 --> 0:13:07.670 if I can add anything, you know, there's, there's so many, um, different, uh, 0:13:08.150 --> 0:13:10.379 pastors and, and church, um. 0:13:11.199 --> 0:13:14.879 Church churches that have different positions when it comes to 0:13:14.879 --> 0:13:20.199 eschatology and and pre-tribulation, mid tribulation, post tribulation, and um. 0:13:20.980 --> 0:13:24.960 These are, these are, aren't things that really that we should, uh, 0:13:25.220 --> 0:13:27.999 hold on to to bring to be divisive over either. 0:13:28.578 --> 0:13:30.410 And I just want to, I feel like just sharing 0:13:30.410 --> 0:13:33.569 that because sometimes we can have these things and it's like, oh, 0:13:33.660 --> 0:13:35.420 this is how I interpret it. This is how I 0:13:35.420 --> 0:13:39.059 view it. You view it differently. Therefore, I, I can't 0:13:39.059 --> 0:13:41.280 fellowship with you or I can't hang out with you 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.290 or anything like that, you know, I can't, um, you know, 0:13:44.900 --> 0:13:47.819 agree to a partner with you, even in ministry or 0:13:47.819 --> 0:13:48.840 something like that. And I think 0:13:49.410 --> 0:13:52.410 That's where, uh, that's exactly what the enemy wants, you know, 0:13:52.489 --> 0:13:54.709 and we have to guard our hearts from really being 0:13:54.970 --> 0:13:58.009 letting the enemy bring division over these things because this, 0:13:58.050 --> 0:14:01.610 this really is unclear, you know, from the Bible's perspective. 0:14:02.328 --> 0:14:04.730 Lucy, thanks for sending in your question through the pastor's 0:14:04.730 --> 0:14:08.650 perspective page at Kwave.com, which you can easily get to 0:14:08.650 --> 0:14:11.759 if you scan the QR code. 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Yeah, what's going on? 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.739 Well, there's a lot of spiritual warfare going on because 0:14:49.739 --> 0:14:52.999 of prayers that we've made and experiences that we've been 0:14:52.999 --> 0:14:54.780 through with some people. 0:14:55.660 --> 0:14:59.639 And we really need some prayer against this cause it's heavy. 0:15:00.100 --> 0:15:07.259 It's affecting people mentally, emotionally, and even physically with sleep deprivation, anxiety, stress. 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.439 It's just like I recognize what it is and it's 0:15:10.439 --> 0:15:15.030 getting really intense, it's looking like migraines that hadn't been 0:15:15.030 --> 0:15:18.319 there for a couple of years, and because they wanna 0:15:18.319 --> 0:15:21.790 sober up, and because they've been sober, all of a sudden, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.379 all these things are coming back. 0:15:24.489 --> 0:15:28.850 And then with my, my friend going through a lot 0:15:28.850 --> 0:15:33.739 of physical ailments and she needs healing, and so it's, 0:15:34.170 --> 0:15:34.540 it's 0:15:36.009 --> 0:15:39.309 Difficult. We've been praying about this for a while, but 0:15:39.569 --> 0:15:41.050 it's preventing her from walking. 0:15:42.199 --> 0:15:46.050 And we know it's warfare because what we're praying for 0:15:46.050 --> 0:15:47.650 are things like people's salvation. 0:15:48.650 --> 0:15:49.610 What we're doing is 0:15:50.629 --> 0:15:54.508 Going in the community and doing different things that, I mean, 0:15:54.910 --> 0:15:56.629 we don't do things to be seen, so I don't 0:15:56.629 --> 0:15:57.550 really want to mention them. 0:15:58.379 --> 0:16:02.429 But I know that's what's going on, and it's attack 0:16:02.429 --> 0:16:05.999 after attack after attack after attack, and I can't take 0:16:05.999 --> 0:16:08.100 it anymore. I'm a seasoned believer and I'm like, I'm tired, 0:16:08.110 --> 0:16:12.230 and I cried out to God today and then bam, 0:16:12.429 --> 0:16:14.559 the other person got a migraine. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.119 Brian, you wrote a book about spiritual warfare. Why don't 0:16:19.119 --> 0:16:19.679 you start? 0:16:22.929 --> 0:16:23.340 Yeah, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:30.840 Yeah, well, there are, um, there are seasons where the 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:36.550 battle intensifies and, um, and we're, we're always walking in 0:16:36.550 --> 0:16:41.239 the midst of a conflict. We're, we're in a battle, 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:46.280 a spiritual battle as believers, and yet there are times 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:51.319 when we are right in the trenches and just getting bombarded, 0:16:51.759 --> 0:16:53.989 and it sounds like that's what's happening. 0:16:54.509 --> 0:17:00.210 With you and of course prayer is a great weapon 0:17:00.429 --> 0:17:01.590 against the 0:17:03.050 --> 0:17:08.230 Various schemes and tactics of the devil. And so I 0:17:08.230 --> 0:17:11.480 would just encourage you to keep praying, keep looking to 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.570 the Lord, um. 0:17:14.629 --> 0:17:19.929 You know, don't overspiritualize everything. I mean, it could be 0:17:20.550 --> 0:17:23.910 that the migraine is part of the warfare. It could 0:17:23.910 --> 0:17:26.770 be that the migraine is just part of life because 0:17:27.150 --> 0:17:31.609 that does happen and you know we suffer and not. 0:17:33.479 --> 0:17:37.439 Uh, not always because, uh, Satan is behind it. We 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.839 just suffer because we live in a broken world and 0:17:39.839 --> 0:17:42.520 we live in broken bodies and things like that. So 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.259 I think, I think you have to be careful not to. 0:17:46.300 --> 0:17:49.939 Just look at everything through that lens, um, because you 0:17:49.940 --> 0:17:53.540 can get super discouraged. You have to recognize, OK, this 0:17:53.540 --> 0:17:55.339 is some of these things are just part of life 0:17:55.339 --> 0:18:01.180 and the Lord is greater and the Lord is with us, 0:18:01.619 --> 0:18:04.379 and we're going to call upon Him and we're going 0:18:04.379 --> 0:18:09.119 to keep trusting Him and this will pass, you know, these, 0:18:09.270 --> 0:18:12.659 these are seasons of um. 0:18:13.580 --> 0:18:19.180 Intense conflict, thankfully they don't go on indefinitely, but it's 0:18:19.180 --> 0:18:22.790 important that we get support in prayer. 0:18:23.719 --> 0:18:27.389 Stand on God's word, stay in fellowship, you know, do 0:18:27.388 --> 0:18:30.599 all the things that you know that you are to 0:18:30.599 --> 0:18:33.638 do and trust the Lord to bring you through. Tommy, 0:18:33.709 --> 0:18:38.839 you've been through some challenging seasons and moments, and, um, 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:39.399 what would 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:39.950 you say? 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.638 Yeah, you know what, Laura, and, uh, I, I, when 0:18:42.638 --> 0:18:47.040 you're talking about, you're saying you're, you're praying and interceding for, uh, 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.040 for people for their salvation, and I was like, praise 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.280 the Lord, keep praying. 0:18:51.739 --> 0:18:54.499 You know, and there's going to be that temptation, you know, 0:18:54.820 --> 0:18:57.780 because of, you know, these things that we go through 0:18:57.780 --> 0:18:59.920 just as Pastor Brian said, you know, we, we go 0:18:59.920 --> 0:19:02.509 through life and, and things aren't always going to be perfect, 0:19:02.660 --> 0:19:05.700 you know, um, I think when Jesus calls us to 0:19:05.700 --> 0:19:08.218 any kind of ministry or, or, you know, even if 0:19:08.219 --> 0:19:10.979 it's just a prayer ministry, you know, we think we 0:19:10.979 --> 0:19:13.530 might be safe, but, you know, he never calls us 0:19:13.530 --> 0:19:15.900 to do anything that is easy, you know, there's going 0:19:15.900 --> 0:19:18.099 to be some challenges and the, the enemy is going 0:19:18.099 --> 0:19:20.359 to come up, want, want to come against us and 0:19:20.619 --> 0:19:24.520 And even exploit those things that we just go through 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.810 to put this thought in our minds to quit, you know, I, 0:19:28.940 --> 0:19:31.020 let me just stop. I'm done. I'm too tired of this. 0:19:31.060 --> 0:19:34.419 It's like you're making a difference. Your prayers are, are 0:19:34.420 --> 0:19:37.249 make a difference, you know, I'm, you know, I, for, 0:19:37.379 --> 0:19:40.099 for me, I know that I lived a life of 0:19:40.099 --> 0:19:43.979 addiction and, and just chaos and criminal lifestyle that led 0:19:43.979 --> 0:19:44.999 me to prison for. 0:19:45.589 --> 0:19:48.410 For a long time, for almost 15 years of my life, I, 0:19:48.499 --> 0:19:51.800 I lived that way, but there was people praying, and, uh, 0:19:51.810 --> 0:19:54.209 I remember the day that I got saved, and I, 0:19:54.290 --> 0:19:56.810 I just started to share with people that I got 0:19:56.810 --> 0:19:58.958 saved and, and people had come up to me and said, man, 0:19:59.009 --> 0:20:00.770 I've been praying for you, and it wasn't that. 0:20:00.854 --> 0:20:03.013 They were praying for me just for that, that morning 0:20:03.013 --> 0:20:05.134 or that day, but they were, you know, especially my, 0:20:05.435 --> 0:20:07.084 some of my family members, you know, they had been 0:20:07.084 --> 0:20:10.695 praying for me for years and, and they discontinued, you know, 0:20:10.775 --> 0:20:13.254 and I'm sure because of my life and the things 0:20:13.254 --> 0:20:16.244 that I was doing and the, the circumstances of our family, 0:20:16.655 --> 0:20:18.814 you know, they, they probably might have thought, you know, 0:20:19.084 --> 0:20:21.244 let me give up on this guy, you know, he 0:20:21.244 --> 0:20:23.334 ain't never going to change, but I'm so glad that 0:20:23.334 --> 0:20:26.535 they didn't, you know, um, and, you know, so just 0:20:26.535 --> 0:20:27.593 continue to persevere. 0:20:28.099 --> 0:20:30.639 In prayer, you know, and that's part of the, that's 0:20:30.820 --> 0:20:33.180 part of the element of, you know, just the, the, 0:20:33.259 --> 0:20:36.660 the spiritual battle and, and, um, I think the warfare 0:20:36.660 --> 0:20:39.099 that we go through and, and the armor of God, 0:20:39.509 --> 0:20:41.580 you know, I think when we read that passage in 0:20:41.580 --> 0:20:45.320 Ephesians in chapter number 6 and we're given all these elements, 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.498 you know, the gear, you know, the warfare, uh, the, 0:20:48.580 --> 0:20:50.619 the uniform, you know, from our, our feet all the 0:20:50.619 --> 0:20:53.169 way to our head with the helmet of salvation and 0:20:53.170 --> 0:20:54.020 everything else in between. 0:20:54.629 --> 0:20:58.349 Um, where Paul says to pray, you know, to, to keep, 0:20:58.469 --> 0:21:01.270 you know, just to pray and to keep on praying 0:21:01.270 --> 0:21:04.429 with all this supplication and so interceding. So Laura, I 0:21:04.430 --> 0:21:07.709 would encourage you, you know, uh, don't let the enemy, um, 0:21:07.869 --> 0:21:12.719 discourage you, um, in giving up on prayer, but continue. And, 0:21:12.790 --> 0:21:14.790 and it may, it may very well be, you know, 0:21:14.910 --> 0:21:17.388 like the, the enemy is just wanting to, to put 0:21:17.388 --> 0:21:20.509 a stop to this prayer because it's effective, you know, 0:21:20.629 --> 0:21:21.550 and so, um, 0:21:22.030 --> 0:21:25.030 Praise the Lord, you know, something, something good's happening in 0:21:25.030 --> 0:21:27.369 the kingdom of God. So keep on praying. 0:21:28.950 --> 0:21:29.909 Does this help you, Laura? 0:21:32.940 --> 0:21:36.839 Yes, it does. I, I know prayer is powerful. 0:21:37.420 --> 0:21:39.580 I'm just getting tired because I'm losing a lot of 0:21:39.580 --> 0:21:42.179 sleep and I don't usually lose sleep. It's been going 0:21:42.180 --> 0:21:43.180 on for months. 0:21:43.940 --> 0:21:48.660 I just need some prayer for strength. For sure, Tommy, 0:21:48.810 --> 0:21:50.089 would you do that? Yeah, I would love, love to 0:21:50.089 --> 0:21:50.859 pray for you, Laura. 0:21:52.050 --> 0:21:55.888 Father, God, I'm so grateful um for Laura and so 0:21:55.888 --> 0:22:00.530 many others, Lord, that you have impressed upon their hearts, Lord, 0:22:00.729 --> 0:22:01.160 to 0:22:01.959 --> 0:22:06.270 To be prayer warriors, Lord, and to intercede, um, for, 0:22:06.369 --> 0:22:10.070 for people's salvation, Lord, for people to be uh just 0:22:10.070 --> 0:22:12.749 set free from the bondage of of darkness and the 0:22:12.749 --> 0:22:15.790 grip of Satan and, and Lord, I, I pray that 0:22:15.790 --> 0:22:18.270 you would give to Laura the strength that she needs. Lord, 0:22:18.339 --> 0:22:20.430 give her the rest also that she needs or give 0:22:20.430 --> 0:22:21.920 her wisdom, Lord, to 0:22:22.190 --> 0:22:25.989 Um, also to, to that she would be able to manage, um, 0:22:26.070 --> 0:22:28.580 the margins of her life or that she can, uh, 0:22:28.790 --> 0:22:31.430 not only get the, the physical rest, but also even 0:22:31.430 --> 0:22:35.820 the spiritual rest and the recuperation, Lord, from, um, just the, 0:22:35.830 --> 0:22:39.670 the battlefield of, of prayer. And so God, I pray 0:22:39.670 --> 0:22:42.109 that you would encourage her and and the others that 0:22:42.109 --> 0:22:45.459 are coming alongside her, Lord, to uh to pray. 0:22:45.869 --> 0:22:48.729 And give her the words to pray. I, I pray that, um, 0:22:48.830 --> 0:22:52.469 that as she just seeks you and intercedes for others, Lord, 0:22:52.550 --> 0:22:55.190 that you, God would fill her with her spirit, with 0:22:55.190 --> 0:22:58.030 your spirit, Lord, and, and that, um, that she would 0:22:58.030 --> 0:23:01.129 pray accordingly in the name of Jesus. Amen. 0:23:02.239 --> 0:23:05.089 Amen. Laura, thank you for calling us today here on 0:23:05.089 --> 0:23:07.969 Pastor's Perspective and everyone watching and listening is gonna be 0:23:07.969 --> 0:23:13.489 praying for you and your friends as well. 888-564-6173. Sandra 0:23:13.489 --> 0:23:16.410 in Orange County, hello, how can we help you today? 0:23:17.950 --> 0:23:21.909 I, I had a question about um First Timothy, I 0:23:21.910 --> 0:23:23.530 think I said 58. 0:23:24.540 --> 0:23:25.099 Yes, 0:23:26.459 --> 0:23:29.629 It reads, Anyone who does not provide for their relatives 0:23:29.629 --> 0:23:33.469 and especially for their own household has denied the faith 0:23:33.469 --> 0:23:35.270 and is worse than an unbeliever. 0:23:37.459 --> 0:23:42.780 Yes. So I have um a, a gay daughter that 0:23:42.780 --> 0:23:45.020 her and her partner, we allowed them to live with 0:23:45.020 --> 0:23:48.770 us for close to a year and we're not contributing 0:23:48.770 --> 0:23:52.379 to the household, so, um, for a long time, I 0:23:52.379 --> 0:23:57.080 was kinda like keeping silent and um trying to 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:00.560 Take my tongue and put a guard over my mouth 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.020 to not say the wrong thing, so I prayed on it. 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:06.180 I really wanted this girl to leave the house and 0:24:06.180 --> 0:24:10.320 I prayed and I prayed to how to approach this topic. 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:15.638 But it ended up being that this girl um approached 0:24:15.638 --> 0:24:20.479 me and said that I was being mean and disrespectful 0:24:20.479 --> 0:24:23.670 because I was not speaking to them and being 0:24:24.790 --> 0:24:28.749 Friendly, I guess, when they stepped into the house and 0:24:28.749 --> 0:24:32.330 she basically um told me that I was not being 0:24:32.330 --> 0:24:36.670 a good follower of Christ because of my behavior. So 0:24:36.670 --> 0:24:39.669 after they left in a bad, in a bad way, they, 0:24:39.790 --> 0:24:42.109 my daughter's no longer talking to me, she left the house, 0:24:42.469 --> 0:24:44.410 no longer wants a relationship with me. 0:24:45.839 --> 0:24:47.589 So now it's stuck in my head that I 0:24:47.589 --> 0:24:48.780 misrepresented 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:49.580 the Lord. 0:24:50.300 --> 0:24:50.310 Mm. 0:24:52.469 --> 0:24:54.149 Brian, how do you reassure Sandra? 0:24:57.969 --> 0:25:03.160 Well, Sandra, um, you know, look, everything you just described 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:08.248 is something that any one of us as Christians can 0:25:08.249 --> 0:25:13.208 relate to because we've all had those kinds of, you know, 0:25:13.330 --> 0:25:17.060 moments and maybe even seasons where 0:25:17.810 --> 0:25:21.070 Something is really bothering us and it's caused us to 0:25:22.729 --> 0:25:27.440 You know, have a communication breakdown or, or whatever, um, I, 0:25:27.530 --> 0:25:30.170 I think you have to consider that, you know, your 0:25:30.170 --> 0:25:32.889 daughter and her partner are living in sin. 0:25:33.759 --> 0:25:42.719 And so, I, I wouldn't take their perspective too seriously. It's, um, 0:25:42.879 --> 0:25:45.969 you know, it's like Jesus said, uh, you, 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.679 You wanna take the splinter out of someone's eye, but 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.520 you have a plank in your own. So, you know, 0:25:52.638 --> 0:25:54.468 here they are with the, you know, she's got a 0:25:54.469 --> 0:25:58.638 big plank in her eye, a 2x4, and she's talking 0:25:58.638 --> 0:26:00.839 to you. Now, maybe. 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:05.089 As you think about it, you think, you know, maybe 0:26:05.089 --> 0:26:07.670 I could have handled this a little bit differently. Maybe I, 0:26:08.050 --> 0:26:11.089 maybe I could have been more patient or kind or whatever, 0:26:11.330 --> 0:26:15.929 but you know, when people are, are living irresponsibly, taking 0:26:15.930 --> 0:26:19.440 advantage of you, and all of that kind of stuff, 0:26:20.170 --> 0:26:24.810 you know, it's difficult. And just because we're Christians doesn't 0:26:24.810 --> 0:26:30.089 mean that we don't at times have to deal with 0:26:30.089 --> 0:26:31.050 people firmly. 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:35.759 And so, you know, there's nothing the matter with you. 0:26:36.650 --> 0:26:39.129 As a Christian, as a mom, as a person who 0:26:39.129 --> 0:26:43.359 is constantly dealing with irresponsible people, to put your foot 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.570 down at a certain point and say, hey, we're done 0:26:45.570 --> 0:26:47.770 with this, you know, you guys either kind of fall 0:26:47.770 --> 0:26:50.330 in line with the house rules or you need to 0:26:50.330 --> 0:26:53.239 move on. That, that's OK. We have to do that 0:26:53.239 --> 0:26:57.889 at times. And you know, there's another passage that says 0:26:57.888 --> 0:27:02.849 Paul writes to the Thessalonians. He says, if anyone does 0:27:02.849 --> 0:27:04.589 not work, neither shall they eat. 0:27:05.420 --> 0:27:09.109 So basically he's calling for people to carry their own weight, 0:27:09.580 --> 0:27:12.450 and it doesn't sound like they were doing that at all, so, 0:27:12.979 --> 0:27:16.020 so all of that to say, I would just, you know, 0:27:16.180 --> 0:27:16.959 let the spirit. 0:27:18.129 --> 0:27:21.359 Search your heart and maybe, you know, maybe you will 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.330 find like, yeah, you know, I could have, I could 0:27:23.330 --> 0:27:26.270 have been different in a lot of ways in this, 0:27:26.729 --> 0:27:30.379 but don't be condemned over it, just know that um 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.208 even if you did fail, the Lord forgives you. You 0:27:33.209 --> 0:27:35.330 ask Him to forgive you, he says, OK, you know, 0:27:35.450 --> 0:27:37.739 you're forgiven and let's, let's move on. 0:27:38.430 --> 0:27:41.680 And learn a lesson, and yet I think that 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:46.679 You know, you, you put yourself out of love into 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:51.359 a very difficult situation, and so I'm not surprised that 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:55.159 it went in the, in the direction that it went, um. 0:27:55.910 --> 0:27:56.379 So 0:27:57.310 --> 0:27:59.849 So, uh, Tommy, do you think Sandra feels so condemned 0:27:59.849 --> 0:28:02.489 because maybe she felt like, especially with this girl, her 0:28:02.489 --> 0:28:06.839 daughter's partner or whatever, uh, she felt like maybe this 0:28:06.839 --> 0:28:09.989 was her mission field and it was Sandra's responsibility to 0:28:10.209 --> 0:28:12.929 reach her for Jesus and for her to say, well, 0:28:12.969 --> 0:28:15.320 you're the furthest thing from Christ I've ever seen, so 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.790 now Sandra's feeling like, wow, I really messed up. 0:28:18.619 --> 0:28:21.419 Yeah, you know, and, and the devil will use that 0:28:21.420 --> 0:28:24.580 to bring condemnation and, and I, you know, I'm glad 0:28:24.580 --> 0:28:27.180 that Pastor Brian said that, you know, not to condemn yourself, 0:28:27.259 --> 0:28:29.099 you know, because there is no condemnation for those who 0:28:29.099 --> 0:28:32.379 are in Christ Jesus, and I think we can look at, 0:28:32.410 --> 0:28:34.180 at our past. I know I do. I can look 0:28:34.180 --> 0:28:37.020 at even just my last weeks like, man, I could have, I, 0:28:37.099 --> 0:28:40.249 I could have done, approached this a little bit differently, 0:28:40.580 --> 0:28:42.619 you know, and everything, and those are some, these are 0:28:42.619 --> 0:28:45.859 good learning moments. However, I would encourage you, Sandra, not 0:28:45.859 --> 0:28:47.020 to allow the enemy. 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:52.839 You know, to really, um, bring this condemnation in your heart. Uh, 0:28:52.959 --> 0:28:55.639 and you know, when you were talking, I was thinking of, 0:28:55.719 --> 0:28:57.839 I just had my wife and I, we just met 0:28:57.839 --> 0:29:00.479 with a couple of from our church and um they 0:29:00.479 --> 0:29:03.060 we were just have over lunch, we were talking and 0:29:03.719 --> 0:29:06.639 they were talking to us about um their daughter and 0:29:06.639 --> 0:29:09.119 some of the decisions that they had to make that 0:29:09.119 --> 0:29:11.060 they felt led to make in the past. 0:29:11.900 --> 0:29:15.450 And they were very like rigid kind of things because 0:29:15.450 --> 0:29:19.690 her daughter was living in a same sex uh relationship 0:29:19.690 --> 0:29:23.050 as well and well long story short is that her 0:29:23.050 --> 0:29:26.690 daughter ends up getting saved years later and has has 0:29:26.690 --> 0:29:29.550 a really thriving relationship with the mom and. 0:29:29.969 --> 0:29:31.969 The daughter came to the mom and said thank you 0:29:31.969 --> 0:29:35.349 for being how you were. I know it wasn't easy, 0:29:35.489 --> 0:29:37.729 you know, for some of the decisions to say, hey, 0:29:37.930 --> 0:29:41.109 not in my house you can't live like this, you know, and, uh, 0:29:41.119 --> 0:29:44.070 and she was very grateful, you know, for that and so, 0:29:44.330 --> 0:29:47.089 you know, um, God can turn things around, so just 0:29:47.089 --> 0:29:49.050 continue to trust the Lord Sandra. 0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:51.520 Yeah, a good resource for you, Sandra, might be a 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.999 book by my friend Doctor Jim Burns. It's called When 0:29:53.999 --> 0:29:58.040 Your Adult Child Strays, Trading Heartache for Hope. Check that out. 0:29:58.150 --> 0:29:59.599 We've got to take a break. We'll be back on 0:29:59.599 --> 0:30:03.280 Pastor's Perspective, 888-564-6173. 0:30:15.070 --> 0:30:19.119 OK, we're back on the Thursday edition of Pastor's Perspective. 0:30:19.190 --> 0:30:24.129 888-564-6173 is the number to call us until 4 o'clock. 0:30:24.229 --> 0:30:27.709 We've got Pastors Brian Broderson and Tommy Coda here. Again, 0:30:27.790 --> 0:30:34.790 the number 888-564-6173. Here is Maria in Moreno Valley. Welcome 0:30:34.790 --> 0:30:36.509 to Pastor's Perspective, Maria. 0:30:38.139 --> 0:30:42.629 Hi, hello, Double Brian and Tommy. Double Brian and Tommy, yes, 0:30:42.900 --> 0:30:43.499 love that. 0:30:45.089 --> 0:30:47.190 So today I just had a 0:30:48.180 --> 0:30:49.790 I don't know, just a thought. It was just like 0:30:49.790 --> 0:30:53.800 a normal question. I was thinking if you guys all 0:30:54.060 --> 0:30:57.369 were to identify to any person in the Bible, who 0:30:57.369 --> 0:30:58.499 would it be and why? 0:30:59.820 --> 0:31:02.339 What do you mean by identify? What, what do you mean? Yeah, 0:31:02.499 --> 0:31:06.420 like closest, like, like more to your like personal like. 0:31:07.099 --> 0:31:11.739 I don't know, maybe like behaviors or like personality. Oh, OK. 0:31:12.099 --> 0:31:17.869 What would you say, Tommy? OK. Well, that's a great question, Maria, um. 0:31:18.770 --> 0:31:23.030 Well, I think for, for me my goal, my aim 0:31:23.030 --> 0:31:26.770 is to be like Jesus and um that that is 0:31:26.770 --> 0:31:28.570 my goal and I hope that's the goal for many, 0:31:28.609 --> 0:31:33.200 many Christians is to, to be like Jesus, um, so I, 0:31:33.249 --> 0:31:35.009 I don't know if that kind of answers your question 0:31:35.009 --> 0:31:36.489 or if you wanted to be a little bit more 0:31:36.489 --> 0:31:40.560 creative and I never thought of that, you know, it's like, oh, who, 0:31:40.589 --> 0:31:44.009 as far as personality or anything like that, um, let's see, 0:31:44.050 --> 0:31:45.690 that's what it says here on the screen, like, you know, 0:31:45.770 --> 0:31:47.589 as far as personality, I, I don't know. 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:52.109 Um, who I would be closely, uh, just as far 0:31:52.109 --> 0:31:54.989 as personality goes. I never met those guys in reality. 0:31:55.150 --> 0:31:56.430 So I don't, I don't know. 0:31:57.459 --> 0:32:00.739 Maybe I would hope to be like Andrew, you know, Andrew, uh, 0:32:00.979 --> 0:32:03.339 one of the disciples and followers, one of the first 0:32:03.339 --> 0:32:06.619 followers of Jesus, actually, you know, he, he, he seems 0:32:06.619 --> 0:32:10.810 to be someone who was constantly bringing people to Jesus, 0:32:11.139 --> 0:32:13.940 you know, from, uh, his, his friends and family members 0:32:13.940 --> 0:32:16.139 and stuff like that. So, hey, come, come meet Jesus. 0:32:16.219 --> 0:32:19.580 So hopefully I can be like him, yeah, as far 0:32:19.580 --> 0:32:21.979 as personality, but yeah, Brian, what say 0:32:21.979 --> 0:32:22.219 you? 0:32:23.989 --> 0:32:27.190 Well, like Tommy said, I mean, we're all aspiring to 0:32:27.190 --> 0:32:30.109 be like Jesus, and we're all ultimately going to be 0:32:30.109 --> 0:32:32.239 like Jesus because the Holy Spirit is 0:32:32.910 --> 0:32:39.989 Is forming us into the image of Christ, which is wonderful. Um, 0:32:40.589 --> 0:32:43.249 I think that probably 0:32:44.209 --> 0:32:46.259 I, I would think of it more in terms of 0:32:46.259 --> 0:32:52.770 like who I identify with in scripture, um, not that 0:32:52.770 --> 0:32:55.440 I necessarily, you know, feel like, oh yeah, I'm just 0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:59.690 like that, but, um, I, I think Paul probably is 0:32:59.690 --> 0:33:04.369 the person that I identify with very deeply, ah, his 0:33:04.369 --> 0:33:09.190 life and ministry, uh, not that mine is, you know, um, 0:33:09.859 --> 0:33:12.619 there are, you know, maybe a few parallels, but, um, 0:33:13.190 --> 0:33:15.839 But I just resonate with him, you know, Paul is 0:33:15.839 --> 0:33:18.280 a person that I feel like I know, I know 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:23.119 him well, and uh the way he thinks and his 0:33:23.119 --> 0:33:26.859 reasoning abilities and his arguments and things, I just, 0:33:27.869 --> 0:33:33.270 I, I read those things and I just, yeah, this really, really, um, 0:33:33.349 --> 0:33:35.748 connects with me. So, and then of course when you 0:33:35.749 --> 0:33:40.889 look at his story in the Book of Acts, his journeys, his, um. 0:33:41.639 --> 0:33:45.969 Fearless efforts to get the gospel out around the world. 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:47.759 I love all of that stuff, so. 0:33:48.479 --> 0:33:49.410 Yeah, so 0:33:49.410 --> 0:33:51.650 I, I, I was, I was thinking that too. I, I, 0:33:51.950 --> 0:33:54.209 as far as for Pastor Brian getting to, to serve 0:33:54.209 --> 0:33:56.910 under you for so many years, and, and I was like, man, 0:33:57.249 --> 0:33:59.849 this apostolic kind of nature that you have and how 0:33:59.849 --> 0:34:01.410 you think, and I was like, oh, he's like the 0:34:01.410 --> 0:34:04.009 apostle Paul, you know, it just has that great vision 0:34:04.009 --> 0:34:06.008 and everything. Yeah, so, yeah, I, 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:06.369 I'd 0:34:06.369 --> 0:34:09.520 agree. Thank you. Thank you, Tommy. I, I take that 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:10.650 as a great compliment. 0:34:11.190 --> 0:34:13.259 Maria, thank you so much for your phone call today 0:34:13.259 --> 0:34:19.419 here on Pastor's Perspective at 888-564-6173. Who does she think she, uh, who, 0:34:19.540 --> 0:34:22.100 who does she identify with? I wonder. Let's, that's a 0:34:22.100 --> 0:34:24.580 good question, Maria. Who do you identify with? 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.810 Uh, I was thinking that too. I'm thinking, I was 0:34:27.810 --> 0:34:31.409 thinking maybe, uh, Mary Magdalene because she was just always 0:34:31.409 --> 0:34:34.509 around the boys and like just following Jesus and I 0:34:34.509 --> 0:34:37.509 grew up kinda getting more along with boys because I just, 0:34:37.890 --> 0:34:40.890 no disrespect, but a lot of girls could be gossipy and, 0:34:40.969 --> 0:34:41.890 and that's boring. 0:34:42.009 --> 0:34:44.969 I just wanted to have fun and enjoy whether they're 0:34:44.969 --> 0:34:48.330 playing video games or something. So I feel like Mary Magdalene. 0:34:49.169 --> 0:34:51.870 Awesome, yep, that's cool. It's good, yeah. 0:34:53.649 --> 0:34:58.840 888-564-6173. Daniel in Los Angeles. You're next. Welcome 0:34:58.840 --> 0:34:59.020 to 0:34:59.020 --> 0:35:00.259 Pastor's Perspective. 0:35:01.329 --> 0:35:02.289 Hey, thanks for 0:35:02.288 --> 0:35:04.848 taking my call. I just had a question regarding context 0:35:04.849 --> 0:35:06.869 in the Bible. Um, I know a lot of 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:11.080 Pastors and heard a lot of teachers, uh, always refer 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.569 to Isaiah 41:15, Fear not, Brian with you, Jeremiah, for 0:35:14.570 --> 0:35:16.640 I know the thoughts that are with you, Malachi, bring 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:18.219 all the ties into the storehouse. 0:35:19.020 --> 0:35:21.159 But try me now, um. 0:35:21.870 --> 0:35:25.189 And I wanted to know why um is it in 0:35:25.189 --> 0:35:27.290 the context it's towards Israel, correct? 0:35:29.169 --> 0:35:34.830 Yes, so, then how is it poor application or misinterpretation 0:35:34.830 --> 0:35:38.529 that they apply it to an individual person that is 0:35:38.530 --> 0:35:39.169 born again. 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.590 Yeah. Well, Daniel, that's, that's a great question. And, uh, yeah, 0:35:44.748 --> 0:35:47.709 and those passages that you read off, you know, those are, 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:52.459 are passages for, you know, regarding the children of Israel. Um, however, I, I, 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.299 when we look and, and study the new, the Old Testament, 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.870 excuse me, when we look and study the Old Testament, um, 0:35:57.949 --> 0:36:00.509 and we, you know, it is important to, you know, 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:04.719 read it and study it and teach it in its context. 0:36:05.330 --> 0:36:08.199 And, and at the same time, you know, um, as, 0:36:08.229 --> 0:36:11.560 as Christians, we can look at at some of the 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:16.050 principles that we find there in those passages, some of 0:36:16.050 --> 0:36:19.279 the passages kind of like what you quoted there, you know, um, 0:36:19.370 --> 0:36:22.729 and apply some of these principles into our individual lives, 0:36:23.090 --> 0:36:26.140 knowing that, yeah, this was a promise or something specific 0:36:26.140 --> 0:36:28.489 for the children of Israel. However, I can apply this 0:36:28.489 --> 0:36:30.229 principle in my life today. 0:36:30.550 --> 0:36:33.360 You know, to help me and to encourage me in 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.159 my journey with the Lord. So, um, and this is 0:36:36.159 --> 0:36:38.640 the reason why it is so, you know, important that we, 0:36:38.759 --> 0:36:41.520 we study the scripture in its context, you know, the 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.040 full counsel of God, not just the New Testament or 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.320 not just the Old Testament, but the entire, um, the 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.360 entire Bible and, and find, you know, some of these 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:51.840 biblical principles that we can. 0:36:52.570 --> 0:36:55.929 Apply to our lives, um, so that we can bring 0:36:55.929 --> 0:36:58.830 more glory to Jesus. What do you think of that, Daniel? 0:36:59.959 --> 0:37:03.080 I think it's uh helpful. Um, yeah, I just, you 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:03.279 know 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.359 what, I just always used to hear a pastor talk 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.439 about the storehouse and pouring out a blessing that there's 0:37:09.439 --> 0:37:11.560 no room to receive it. And I always used to 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:12.498 think like, well, 0:37:13.219 --> 0:37:15.699 I don't, I was, I just needed clarification because 0:37:15.699 --> 0:37:16.140 I always 0:37:16.140 --> 0:37:16.379 thought 0:37:16.380 --> 0:37:20.020 maybe they're like misapplying the, the, the lesson there, but 0:37:20.020 --> 0:37:22.020 that was for Israel, not for us at the 0:37:22.020 --> 0:37:22.699 church, you know 0:37:22.699 --> 0:37:24.979 what I mean? Oh yeah, and, and I think that's true. 0:37:25.060 --> 0:37:27.499 Like some, some, there are pastors who can take, you know, 0:37:27.659 --> 0:37:30.020 passages just like what you're talking about that, you know, 0:37:30.300 --> 0:37:32.998 especially when it comes to, you know, the storehouse and, 0:37:33.009 --> 0:37:35.140 and money and all this other stuff, and they, they 0:37:35.140 --> 0:37:36.040 can actually. 0:37:36.419 --> 0:37:39.860 You know, uh, take these passages and take it out 0:37:39.860 --> 0:37:43.679 of its context and kind of really be an influence 0:37:43.679 --> 0:37:47.439 to cause a person to, you know, out of guilt 0:37:47.659 --> 0:37:51.540 and constraint to want to, I better give more, you know, 0:37:51.659 --> 0:37:53.899 and that is, you know, that's not. 0:37:54.050 --> 0:37:57.009 Good. That's not healthy, uh, when it comes to, you know, 0:37:57.209 --> 0:37:59.820 just looking and reading scripture or anything like that. Yeah, 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:01.949 Pastor Brian, what I took it, 0:38:02.130 --> 0:38:03.969 what I took it as is that it just gives 0:38:03.969 --> 0:38:07.050 us more clarification in God's heart for us, you know, 0:38:07.248 --> 0:38:09.810 believers and as a family, you know, the tribes of 0:38:09.810 --> 0:38:11.489 Israel at the time. It's good. 0:38:12.439 --> 0:38:16.360 Mhm. Yeah, I think to just keep in mind and 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.239 everything that was said was great. Tell me what you 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.919 said was really good and the just to follow up 0:38:20.919 --> 0:38:25.820 on the Malachi passage because that has been abused, um, 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:33.179 but remember these are God's words written to God's people 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:37.600 at the time that was Israel, God's writing to his 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:38.439 people Israel. 0:38:39.149 --> 0:38:43.479 We are the people of God today, so what was written, ah, 0:38:43.630 --> 0:38:48.310 even back then, like Tommy said, in principle, ah, can 0:38:48.310 --> 0:38:51.860 still apply to us. Obviously some of the details won't 0:38:51.860 --> 0:38:56.620 apply to us because it's a different context, but, um, 0:38:56.630 --> 0:39:00.989 those promises of God, that God gave to Israel, there 0:39:00.989 --> 0:39:02.049 have been many times, 0:39:03.350 --> 0:39:07.380 When those promises have been spoken right directly to my heart, 0:39:07.669 --> 0:39:09.310 but the great thing is we find that this is 0:39:09.310 --> 0:39:12.179 what happens in the New Testament as well. Ah, the 0:39:12.179 --> 0:39:15.899 apostles are quoting the Old Testament and applying it to themselves, 0:39:16.310 --> 0:39:19.669 and so we have, ah, the freedom to do that. 0:39:19.780 --> 0:39:21.669 Of course, we need to make sure we just do 0:39:21.669 --> 0:39:22.489 it wisely. 0:39:24.070 --> 0:39:29.709 All right, Daniel, thanks for your phone call today. 888-564-6173. Let's, uh, 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.899 let's talk to Tyson and Rialto. Hello. 0:39:33.439 --> 0:39:37.620 Hi, um, I was wondering, what are your guys' perspective 0:39:37.620 --> 0:39:40.179 on eating pork and other unclean animals? 0:39:40.759 --> 0:39:43.839 Eating pork. Do you like eating bacon, Tyson? 0:39:44.899 --> 0:39:46.199 Um, no, I do not 0:39:46.199 --> 0:39:46.449 unless 0:39:46.449 --> 0:39:46.679 it's 0:39:46.679 --> 0:39:47.830 turkey or beef. 0:39:48.810 --> 0:39:52.089 There you go. It's healthier, right? Yeah, I hear you there. 0:39:52.969 --> 0:39:54.449 Yeah. What do you think, Brian? 0:39:55.449 --> 0:39:57.030 Well, Tyson, um, 0:39:57.890 --> 0:40:03.159 God gave the law to Israel that had these dietary. 0:40:04.060 --> 0:40:08.179 Aspects to it and it prohibited the people of Israel 0:40:08.179 --> 0:40:13.640 from eating certain foods, and yet that law was strictly 0:40:14.179 --> 0:40:17.560 for them for the time in which they were in 0:40:18.140 --> 0:40:21.659 that covenant relationship with God. When we come to the 0:40:21.659 --> 0:40:29.140 New Testament, we're told twice specifically that God has made 0:40:29.140 --> 0:40:33.259 everything clean and that we're no longer bound by. 0:40:33.919 --> 0:40:39.479 Those rules that ancient Israel was was bound by in 0:40:39.479 --> 0:40:41.689 regard to things that you can eat and not eat. 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:47.159 If you choose to not eat bacon or sausage or 0:40:47.159 --> 0:40:51.399 pork of whatever sort it is uh because you just 0:40:51.399 --> 0:40:56.310 think I don't, I don't like it, well, that's fine, um, 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:59.239 but you never want to get into a place where 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:00.040 you think like. 0:41:00.469 --> 0:41:03.748 Well, God loves me more if I don't have bacon 0:41:03.748 --> 0:41:06.689 and eggs, if I have turkey sausage. 0:41:08.189 --> 0:41:09.159 What were you gonna say, Tyson? 0:41:09.870 --> 0:41:16.040 Um, and, um, Peter in Acts 10 chapter 28, it 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:17.319 says Peter told them, you know, 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.040 it is against our laws for Jewish men to enter 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:24.360 a Gentile home like this or to associate with, but 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:28.498 God has shown me that it says no one, no 0:41:29.498 --> 0:41:35.178 think of anyone, no man impure or unclean. It says man. 0:41:36.748 --> 0:41:41.050 So what about in Matthew 5:7? Yeah, but remember, remember 0:41:41.050 --> 0:41:45.090 Tyson in the same passage that you're quoting from, Remember 0:41:45.090 --> 0:41:48.610 that Peter saw that sheet coming down from heaven, and 0:41:48.610 --> 0:41:51.570 it had all of those animals on it, and the 0:41:51.570 --> 0:41:55.249 voice of Jesus said, rise, Peter, kill and eat. And 0:41:55.248 --> 0:41:59.169 Peter says, Lord, I've never eaten anything unclean, and Jesus said, 0:41:59.248 --> 0:42:03.530 do not call unclean what I have cleansed. So. 0:42:04.580 --> 0:42:09.459 Even though the bigger application is to the Gentiles, God's 0:42:09.459 --> 0:42:12.499 going to bring the Gentiles in, and they're not to 0:42:12.498 --> 0:42:17.040 be considered unclean anymore by the Jews, but he specifically 0:42:18.179 --> 0:42:20.939 shows them a picture of those animals and tells them 0:42:20.939 --> 0:42:25.659 to rise, kill, and eat it. And in Mark, I 0:42:25.659 --> 0:42:28.860 can't remember the chapter in Mark, but Mark tells us 0:42:28.860 --> 0:42:32.479 that Jesus declared all foods clean. 0:42:34.949 --> 0:42:35.810 Tyson, back to you. 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:37.600 Oh, it 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:38.600 says that was 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:39.360 declared clean 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:39.678 in the 0:42:39.679 --> 0:42:43.380 Torah. No, that food was declared. Food was declared clean, 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:47.479 but we already have what is declared food from the Torah. 0:42:48.248 --> 0:42:51.090 Well, we, even Jesus comes down. He says not one 0:42:51.090 --> 0:42:54.780 jot or tittle will be changed or done away with 0:42:54.780 --> 0:42:57.850 until heaven and earth pass away. Heaven and earth hasn't 0:42:57.850 --> 0:42:58.669 passed away. 0:43:00.310 --> 0:43:03.790 But Jesus fulfilled everything. Jesus said that he would be 0:43:03.790 --> 0:43:06.350 the fulfillment. He still has to come back for those 0:43:06.350 --> 0:43:07.189 fall feasts. 0:43:08.810 --> 0:43:11.339 OK, well, haven't been um. 0:43:12.219 --> 0:43:16.419 Well, according to the New Testament now, um, 0:43:17.429 --> 0:43:23.550 Jesus said that he's made everything clean, and all of 0:43:23.550 --> 0:43:27.509 this idea about, um, you know, the law, if you, 0:43:27.949 --> 0:43:30.390 I mean, you're, you're a smart kid, and it's really 0:43:30.390 --> 0:43:31.158 great to 0:43:32.020 --> 0:43:35.569 Here you read the scripture and see your, your desire 0:43:35.570 --> 0:43:38.299 and your passion. That's really beautiful, but you want to 0:43:38.300 --> 0:43:43.979 make sure you're getting things right. And if you read Galatians, 0:43:44.509 --> 0:43:51.699 for example, you're going to see very clearly that that 0:43:51.699 --> 0:43:56.179 covenant is no longer intact. If you read Hebrews, which 0:43:56.179 --> 0:43:58.590 is a pretty difficult book to read. 0:43:58.979 --> 0:44:03.409 But if you read it, you're going to discover that 0:44:03.790 --> 0:44:09.169 all of the past, the law, Moses, all of those things, 0:44:09.630 --> 0:44:13.570 they are part of a covenant that no longer exists. 0:44:13.949 --> 0:44:20.929 And so that's the end of the 8th chapter of, of, um, 0:44:21.429 --> 0:44:27.109 Hebrews tells us that the old covenant is ready to vanish. 0:44:27.530 --> 0:44:30.540 And it did vanish and it became very evident in 0:44:30.540 --> 0:44:34.249 70 AD when the temple was destroyed and the sacrifices 0:44:34.248 --> 0:44:39.080 were discontinued and have been discontinued for 2000 years. 0:44:39.699 --> 0:44:40.020 Tommy. 0:44:41.070 --> 0:44:44.659 No, I mean, I'm just like fascinated with Tyson's questions and, 0:44:44.780 --> 0:44:48.350 and his insight on on some of these things, you know, 0:44:48.509 --> 0:44:48.929 and 0:44:49.409 --> 0:44:52.189 Um, there was a passage that I was thinking of 0:44:52.189 --> 0:44:54.929 in regards to, you know, just what we eat and 0:44:54.929 --> 0:44:58.090 everything in 1 Corinthians in chapter 8 where Paul says, 0:44:58.209 --> 0:45:00.969 you know, he says, therefore if food makes any brother stumble, 0:45:01.050 --> 0:45:04.810 I will never eat meat lest I make my brother stumble, 0:45:05.130 --> 0:45:06.890 you know, and so it kind of it wasn't so 0:45:06.890 --> 0:45:10.449 much like I'm not going to eat particular meats, um, 0:45:10.570 --> 0:45:12.840 you know, this would be meats I would offer to idols, 0:45:12.890 --> 0:45:14.689 but if I'm not going to eat like pork or 0:45:14.689 --> 0:45:15.209 anything like that. 0:45:15.739 --> 0:45:17.860 Because I, I want to make sure I'm in good 0:45:17.860 --> 0:45:20.499 standing with God. Well, that's God, you know, as Pastor 0:45:20.498 --> 0:45:23.999 Brian shared that he, that is done away with. However, 0:45:24.659 --> 0:45:27.100 I do want to be mindful of other people. So 0:45:27.100 --> 0:45:28.939 it comes to the point of like, hey, I don't 0:45:28.939 --> 0:45:32.259 want to make someone stumble. So if, if me eating pork, 0:45:32.380 --> 0:45:34.520 like if I'm, you know, hanging out with Tyson and 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:36.449 I said, I want, you know, I'm gonna have a 0:45:36.449 --> 0:45:39.179 slice of ham and some bacon, but this might be 0:45:39.179 --> 0:45:41.820 a stumbling thing for Tyson, you know, I, I, I 0:45:41.820 --> 0:45:44.020 wouldn't want to do that, you know, I'd rather order 0:45:44.020 --> 0:45:46.699 a rib eye steak because he likes steak and uh 0:45:46.699 --> 0:45:48.959 so we'll order some rib eye steaks and hang out 0:45:48.959 --> 0:45:50.840 and have a conversation. So it comes more. 0:45:51.290 --> 0:45:54.530 Down to, you know, just really making the gospel message 0:45:54.530 --> 0:45:58.729 effective and not wanting to cause anybody else to stumble 0:45:58.729 --> 0:46:02.050 in these things, but it's not according to like dietary 0:46:02.050 --> 0:46:06.040 laws or anything like that. Yeah, for sure. Final thoughts, Tyson. 0:46:06.090 --> 0:46:09.130 I pray that you guys see that one day because 0:46:09.130 --> 0:46:11.679 Jeremiah 30:31 says the Torah is going to be written 0:46:11.679 --> 0:46:17.428 on our hearts in the new covenant. Jesus himself cannot change. 0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:19.880 And 0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:23.640 do away with the law itself. The law 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.459 is even now this isn't Tyson still, right? 0:46:27.439 --> 0:46:28.850 This is his mother, OK. 0:46:30.979 --> 0:46:33.659 Well, Mom, you're kind of getting, you're kind of getting 0:46:33.659 --> 0:46:37.820 a little bit imbalanced here with your Torah talk. Um, 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.698 I would recommend that you stick more to your New 0:46:40.699 --> 0:46:43.929 Testament for a while, and, you know, the word Torah 0:46:43.929 --> 0:46:47.689 just means instruction, it doesn't even mean law. So when 0:46:47.689 --> 0:46:50.770 God says he's gonna write His law in our heart, 0:46:50.899 --> 0:46:54.659 he's talking about his truth, his precepts. He's not talking 0:46:54.659 --> 0:46:59.658 about the entirety of the books of Moses, and so. 0:47:00.189 --> 0:47:02.949 You know, it sounds like maybe you've got an influence 0:47:02.949 --> 0:47:08.179 coming that's not totally healthy, and I would encourage you 0:47:08.179 --> 0:47:11.749 to um move away from that. It's not gonna do 0:47:11.748 --> 0:47:13.790 you or anybody else any good in the long run. 0:47:14.969 --> 0:47:17.779 All right. Thanks for your phone call today on Pastor's Perspective. 0:47:17.850 --> 0:47:21.248 Now here's Jose in San Jose. Welcome. 0:47:23.959 --> 0:47:26.600 Jose, you there? Are you guys? How are you pastors? Yeah, 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:28.100 can you hear me? Yeah, now we can. 0:47:29.469 --> 0:47:30.050 OK 0:47:30.780 --> 0:47:32.100 So, um, 0:47:33.020 --> 0:47:35.530 Thank you for having me on here, um. 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.899 At work, I'm having, um, 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.199 I'm having some issues at work, um. 0:47:43.149 --> 0:47:48.110 My coworkers just say the cruelest things, you know, and 0:47:48.110 --> 0:47:52.949 it's never direct, you know, it's very indirect, you know, but, 0:47:53.229 --> 0:47:55.949 you know, I, I, I know they're, you know, it's 0:47:55.949 --> 0:47:59.110 directed towards me and these things are so, so cruel, 0:47:59.229 --> 0:48:01.600 you know, so, so heartless, you know, and 0:48:02.259 --> 0:48:06.580 It's just so discouraging, you know, and like, I try 0:48:06.580 --> 0:48:08.860 to be nice to them, you know, I try my best, 0:48:09.020 --> 0:48:12.140 you know, to be nice to them, to help them out, 0:48:12.248 --> 0:48:14.060 you know, to do teamwork with them. 0:48:14.850 --> 0:48:19.060 And, um, it's, it's just, it's just undeserved, you know, like, 0:48:19.949 --> 0:48:22.249 I don't know. I don't know why they. 0:48:23.219 --> 0:48:25.819 I, I guess it's just human nature. I'm not sure, 0:48:25.899 --> 0:48:28.620 but can we ask for an example, Jose? 0:48:30.459 --> 0:48:35.820 Sure. So last night, um, they were talking, they, so they, they, 0:48:35.899 --> 0:48:39.140 they speak in Spanish, right? They speak Spanish. They say these, 0:48:39.219 --> 0:48:42.979 these things in Spanish, but they were, they were, they 0:48:42.979 --> 0:48:44.219 said something like, oh, 0:48:45.689 --> 0:48:49.350 I, I forgot what they were doing, but they were, 0:48:49.689 --> 0:48:53.179 they said, um, oh, this, this thing doesn't, I think 0:48:53.179 --> 0:48:55.449 they're changing the trash bag or something and, and it 0:48:55.449 --> 0:48:58.249 was getting hard. They're struggling with it, right? And they're like, oh, 0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:02.130 this thing doesn't let us, doesn't let us, you know, it's, 0:49:02.179 --> 0:49:04.509 it's giving us a hard time, doesn't let us do it, 0:49:04.810 --> 0:49:06.409 you know. And 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:08.489 Like 0:49:09.340 --> 0:49:12.499 It's, it's, it's, it's hard to explain, but then they, 0:49:12.580 --> 0:49:13.719 they kinda, they kinda. 0:49:14.699 --> 0:49:16.780 Switched it up and, and like, 0:49:17.570 --> 0:49:20.739 It, it's like they're, they're talking about me and, and like, 0:49:21.530 --> 0:49:25.120 They, they started like laughing like, oh, you know, it doesn't, it, it, 0:49:25.209 --> 0:49:27.489 it doesn't, it doesn't let us do it, you know, like. 0:49:28.350 --> 0:49:30.270 It's just hard, it's, it's hard to explain it. Pretty 0:49:30.270 --> 0:49:32.989 much they're saying, oh, you know, this, um, 0:49:34.110 --> 0:49:35.989 Like, oh, it's it. 0:49:36.790 --> 0:49:40.350 You know, I, I'm not letting somebody do me harm, 0:49:40.509 --> 0:49:43.949 you know, like, you know, like, let's say that kind 0:49:43.949 --> 0:49:45.310 of like they're clowning on you, right. 0:49:47.130 --> 0:49:49.370 Is that what you're trying to say? They're just clowning 0:49:49.370 --> 0:49:50.979 on you. Yeah, they are, but it's 0:49:51.739 --> 0:49:55.280 They are, but it's, it's, it's, it's very, it's very cold. 0:49:56.550 --> 0:49:59.310 Yeah, you know, Jose, if I, if I can, man, I, 0:49:59.390 --> 0:50:01.550 I just wanna say, you know, um, man, my heart 0:50:01.550 --> 0:50:03.739 goes out to you and, you know, because I, I, 0:50:03.790 --> 0:50:07.469 I know that kind of experience firsthand, you know, one 0:50:07.469 --> 0:50:09.229 of the things I want to start off with like 0:50:09.229 --> 0:50:12.790 just reminding, reminding you, you know, Jesus, Jesus said, hey, before, 0:50:13.070 --> 0:50:16.070 before they hated you, they hated me, you know, and 0:50:16.070 --> 0:50:19.270 uh there's, there's a reason why, you know, this, this 0:50:19.270 --> 0:50:21.880 kind of opposition is coming against, you know, your, your, 0:50:21.909 --> 0:50:24.630 your life is making a difference, you know, and I 0:50:24.630 --> 0:50:25.489 want to encourage you. 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:29.009 To stand strong and to continue to keep your faith 0:50:29.009 --> 0:50:31.489 and trust in the Lord and be led by the 0:50:31.489 --> 0:50:35.029 Holy Spirit, how you behave and how you act and, 0:50:35.060 --> 0:50:38.859 and even how you respond and during these moments is 0:50:38.860 --> 0:50:42.770 a big thing, you know, because they're expecting a certain response. 0:50:42.850 --> 0:50:45.049 But if you respond, you know, in according to the 0:50:45.050 --> 0:50:47.529 Holy Spirit being led by the Lord, I, I'm telling 0:50:47.530 --> 0:50:49.689 you that your response is gonna make a difference in 0:50:49.689 --> 0:50:51.729 their life, you know, uh, and the reason why I 0:50:51.729 --> 0:50:54.709 was saying that I, I know just from firsthand experience. 0:50:55.780 --> 0:50:57.840 right after I got saved, I was able to, to 0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:00.630 get a job and, and I worked in a warehouse, uh, 0:51:01.030 --> 0:51:04.380 which sounds very similar to where you're at, and, uh, 0:51:04.479 --> 0:51:07.659 you know, I, it, it was just crazy this opposition 0:51:07.659 --> 0:51:09.600 that I would get from, from some of these men 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:10.998 and it's like they didn't even know me, you know, 0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:13.120 they didn't even know my past, you know, and, and 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:14.759 maybe if they knew my past they wouldn't have acted 0:51:14.759 --> 0:51:15.350 that way, but. 0:51:15.699 --> 0:51:18.739 Uh, that's, that's not the case, you know, and they 0:51:18.739 --> 0:51:23.739 would just do so many things just to get me. I, 0:51:23.780 --> 0:51:25.819 I felt like they were just wanting me to sin. 0:51:25.899 --> 0:51:28.719 They wanted me to act out violently. They were doing, 0:51:29.179 --> 0:51:31.149 you know, uh, whether it would be, you know, like 0:51:31.149 --> 0:51:36.100 just sexual things, you know, uh, in my locker to, 0:51:36.179 --> 0:51:39.179 you know, just, uh, uh, in, in reference to me and, 0:51:39.219 --> 0:51:41.939 and just crazy things where, you know, I. 0:51:42.449 --> 0:51:46.209 Had to go, you know, down into the, the warehouse 0:51:46.209 --> 0:51:48.169 and I would just weep with the Lord for like 0:51:48.169 --> 0:51:50.850 5 minutes like, Lord, why is this happening? I just wanna, 0:51:51.090 --> 0:51:52.569 you know, I was like I wanna wring their necks 0:51:52.570 --> 0:51:55.209 or or something, you know, or, or, but I just 0:51:55.209 --> 0:51:57.409 felt like God would say, hey, just catch your breath, 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:59.370 go back out there, you can just trust me, do 0:51:59.370 --> 0:52:01.229 your work, you know, just do your job and you 0:52:01.229 --> 0:52:03.649 continue to be a light, you know, and, um, and 0:52:03.649 --> 0:52:06.050 so I, I understand that struggle and, and I just 0:52:06.050 --> 0:52:07.839 want to encourage you, man, your life is making a 0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:09.689 difference and the reason why I say that is because 0:52:09.689 --> 0:52:11.630 years later I, I was able to. 0:52:12.209 --> 0:52:13.850 Get a job. I got a job at, you know, 0:52:13.929 --> 0:52:16.570 I got on staff at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa eventually, 0:52:16.610 --> 0:52:19.290 and I was working as an assistant pastor and serving 0:52:19.290 --> 0:52:21.448 the serving the Lord, and I got a message through 0:52:21.449 --> 0:52:24.810 social media one day, random message, and it was a 0:52:24.810 --> 0:52:28.248 guy that I worked with at this warehouse, and he 0:52:28.248 --> 0:52:31.029 wrote me this long message thanking me. 0:52:31.370 --> 0:52:34.890 And saying, man, I remember you. You always wrote, read 0:52:34.890 --> 0:52:37.969 your Bible during break time. You'd always do this and 0:52:37.969 --> 0:52:41.890 you never, you never reacted to, you know, the, the 0:52:41.890 --> 0:52:44.928 stuff that was going on in the warehouse. And now 0:52:44.929 --> 0:52:46.929 that I see you're a pastor and, and, you know, 0:52:47.669 --> 0:52:49.689 his life obviously had gotten changed or something like that. 0:52:49.759 --> 0:52:52.089 And so he just wanted to reach out and thank me, 0:52:52.199 --> 0:52:54.689 you know, for that because he remembered that. 0:52:55.209 --> 0:52:58.640 And Jose, I'm sure that this is what the Lord 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.209 will do. You know, you just continue to stay faithful 0:53:01.209 --> 0:53:05.948 because you never know, you know, how impactful your response, um, 0:53:06.489 --> 0:53:08.610 is gonna be, is gonna be in the lives of 0:53:08.610 --> 0:53:12.050 these guys that you're working with. Brian, 90 seconds. 0:53:13.310 --> 0:53:17.239 Yeah, no, that's great. And I think that, um, you know, I, 0:53:17.310 --> 0:53:20.179 I was just thinking, Jesus said it, Blessed are you 0:53:20.179 --> 0:53:23.658 when they revile you, persecute you, say all kinds of 0:53:23.659 --> 0:53:28.179 evil against you falsely for my sake. Rejoice and be 0:53:28.179 --> 0:53:30.439 exceedingly glad. Great is your reward in heaven. 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:34.419 This is how they treated the prophets who were before you. So, 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.110 I mean, it is kind of par for the course, 0:53:37.159 --> 0:53:40.800 like Tommy shared his story, I could share a similar story, 0:53:40.919 --> 0:53:45.320 you know, being a Christian on the construction site and 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:49.998 all the joking and mocking, and oh, there's the preacher boy, 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:52.320 you know, what's he going to say today and all 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:54.020 of that kind of stuff, you know. 0:53:54.770 --> 0:53:59.679 Um, hey, it's just what it is, but, like Tommy shared, 0:53:59.780 --> 0:54:04.209 I mean, how powerful later, and that's the thing, you know, in, in, 0:54:04.259 --> 0:54:07.219 when people are in a group, they're real brave, and they're, 0:54:07.340 --> 0:54:09.640 you know, they can be, um, 0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:14.179 You know, rude and aggressive and all that, but individually, 0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:17.759 you know, they're, they see what's going on. And when 0:54:17.759 --> 0:54:21.149 they're not with the group, they're probably thinking like, man, Jose, man, 0:54:21.199 --> 0:54:24.360 that guy's pretty, guy's pretty amazing, you know, he takes 0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:26.749 a lot of stuff from us, but he's, you know, 0:54:26.830 --> 0:54:31.279 he's still kind and he's still, you know, uh, that, 0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:34.259 that goes up, that goes a long way with people. 0:54:35.439 --> 0:54:40.080 What do you think, Jose? Yeah, um. 0:54:41.110 --> 0:54:42.949 It, um, man, you 0:54:42.949 --> 0:54:43.110 know, 0:54:43.229 --> 0:54:46.790 like weeping with the Lord, like the, the, uh, other 0:54:46.790 --> 0:54:49.830 pastor shared. Yeah, man, like I feel like weeping with 0:54:49.830 --> 0:54:52.509 the Lord sometimes too, you know, and I go to 0:54:52.509 --> 0:54:55.469 the bathroom and, you know, sometimes I weep a little 0:54:55.469 --> 0:54:56.550 bit and, um, 0:54:57.399 --> 0:54:59.880 You know, but, um, I just, I just want to 0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:02.179 know what kind of relationship to have, you know, cause 0:55:02.679 --> 0:55:03.359 last night, 0:55:04.050 --> 0:55:08.189 You know, after they said that last, that last, you know, little, 0:55:09.370 --> 0:55:11.969 little comment, like I just stopped talking to him. 0:55:13.100 --> 0:55:16.029 Yeah, well, Jose, that, that might be, you know, as 0:55:16.030 --> 0:55:18.029 for right now, that might be the best thing for you, 0:55:18.149 --> 0:55:19.709 you know, it's just like, hey, I, I, you know, 0:55:19.830 --> 0:55:22.189 know your boundaries, know your limits, you know, I think 0:55:22.189 --> 0:55:25.589 that's very important. Know your limits and, um, and seek 0:55:25.590 --> 0:55:27.610 the Lord, you know, cause you, I, I think the 0:55:27.790 --> 0:55:29.390 best thing that you wanna do is just make sure 0:55:29.390 --> 0:55:32.070 you have a, a healthy and strong witness there in 0:55:32.070 --> 0:55:35.310 your workplace. Yeah, Jose, thanks for calling us today here 0:55:35.310 --> 0:55:39.909 on Pastor's Perspective. Fay, here is a fast pass for tomorrow. 0:55:40.110 --> 0:55:42.310 Call in and, uh, we'll try to get to you sooner. 0:55:42.669 --> 0:55:44.229 Uh, but thank you so much, all of you for 0:55:44.229 --> 0:55:47.310 joining us today here on Pastor's Perspective. We're gonna archive 0:55:47.310 --> 0:55:52.468 today's episode on Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify, in 0:55:52.469 --> 0:55:53.949 case you missed any part of it or just wanna 0:55:53.949 --> 0:55:57.110 hear it again. 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