WEBVTT - Pastors' Perspective-11/05/26 0:00:16.150 --> 0:00:19.628 Hello and welcome to another episode of Pastor's Perspective. I'm 0:00:19.628 --> 0:00:24.190 Michael David. Mr. Brian Perez is on assignment. Here on 0:00:24.189 --> 0:00:27.149 Pastor's Perspective program today, we have Pastor Brian Broderson, who 0:00:27.149 --> 0:00:30.770 is Pastor emeritus at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa in Southern California. 0:00:30.989 --> 0:00:35.329 You can get more information about him at his website, echoesofmercy.com. 0:00:35.589 --> 0:00:38.810 We also have Pastor Phil Metzger of Calvary, San Diego, 0:00:38.879 --> 0:00:43.589 and the church website is CalvarySD.com. Brian and Phil, thanks 0:00:43.589 --> 0:00:44.749 for being on the program today. 0:00:45.549 --> 0:00:48.409 Well, thank you, Michael. Phil, can you see us yet? 0:00:49.349 --> 0:00:51.548 I can see my, oh, I have a, um, I 0:00:51.549 --> 0:00:53.709 get one of you at a time. Oh, I just 0:00:53.709 --> 0:00:57.130 got all of you. I can see you. I can 0:00:57.130 --> 0:00:59.299 see you and you can hear me and Michael, I 0:00:59.299 --> 0:01:01.109 did click on it. It says it's waiting for you 0:01:01.110 --> 0:01:03.429 to accept. OK, all right, I will be looking for that. 0:01:03.510 --> 0:01:04.408 I'll be looking for it. 0:01:04.900 --> 0:01:07.560 Guys, look at us all in our black shirts. Look 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.298 at that. Yes, I was peeking in your both your 0:01:10.299 --> 0:01:12.380 windows this morning. That's how I knew what you guys 0:01:12.380 --> 0:01:13.820 were going to wear, so I decided to just go 0:01:13.819 --> 0:01:15.930 ahead and copy you. That's not true because I was 0:01:15.929 --> 0:01:21.648 wearing a white shirt this morning. I changed, yeah, yeah. 0:01:21.780 --> 0:01:26.459 I actually was spying on Phil and uh I saw 0:01:26.459 --> 0:01:27.719 him with a black shirt on. 0:01:29.339 --> 0:01:31.820 That is wonderful. And Mr. Phil, I think you're gonna 0:01:31.819 --> 0:01:34.079 be gone for the next couple of weeks. Is that right? 0:01:35.039 --> 0:01:38.630 Yeah, I'm gonna be out of country, that's right, um, 0:01:38.700 --> 0:01:42.159 pretty soon I'm gonna be, um, I'm gonna be taking 0:01:42.158 --> 0:01:44.640 a trip over to Eastern Europe. I'm gonna be in Hungary, 0:01:44.719 --> 0:01:47.758 and I'm also gonna be in Ukraine. Oh wow, fantastic. 0:01:47.869 --> 0:01:49.159 What kind of stuff are you gonna be doing over 0:01:49.159 --> 0:01:49.919 there while you're there? 0:01:51.450 --> 0:01:56.350 Um, I'm gonna be in Ukraine. We're gonna be gathering 0:01:56.350 --> 0:02:01.649 churches together and ministries and leaders and kind of just men, women, 0:02:01.770 --> 0:02:05.130 children who are able to come together for a little 0:02:05.130 --> 0:02:08.329 kind of retreat. So letting, letting the people from around 0:02:08.329 --> 0:02:10.909 the country who've been connected to the Ministry of Calvary 0:02:11.130 --> 0:02:13.500 come together, we're gonna have just a good old time 0:02:13.500 --> 0:02:16.850 getting to be together, um, and then kind of similar 0:02:16.850 --> 0:02:18.529 in Hungary, but mainly just at 0:02:19.010 --> 0:02:20.809 You know, I lived there for a couple of decades, 0:02:20.889 --> 0:02:23.370 so I'm gonna go visit our, our, our former church 0:02:23.370 --> 0:02:26.650 and visit with friends, and then, um, yeah, it's gonna be, 0:02:26.730 --> 0:02:28.290 I'm looking forward to it, it's gonna be a great time. 0:02:28.609 --> 0:02:30.730 Oh wow, you're a brave man traveling to that part 0:02:30.730 --> 0:02:32.529 of the world, I would say, yes, I mean, I mean, 0:02:32.570 --> 0:02:35.139 what encourages, you could, you are living in beautiful San Diego. 0:02:35.290 --> 0:02:36.809 Why would you leave beautiful San Diego to go to 0:02:36.809 --> 0:02:39.609 a place that might be maybe not the safest place 0:02:39.609 --> 0:02:40.109 in the world? 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.409 Yeah, I mean, it's certainly not one of the safest places, maybe, 0:02:43.570 --> 0:02:47.350 maybe up there on the least safe places at this time, but, um, 0:02:47.770 --> 0:02:50.770 I mean, the, the plain and simple important answer is 0:02:50.770 --> 0:02:53.210 these are, these are our friends, and we wanna go 0:02:53.210 --> 0:02:55.249 just support them and let them know that they're loved 0:02:55.249 --> 0:02:59.409 and that they're not forgotten. Um, I've taken several trips 0:02:59.409 --> 0:03:02.559 over in the beginning of the war in 20, well, 0:03:02.790 --> 0:03:05.270 the beginning of this part of the war in 2022 0:03:05.689 --> 0:03:08.469 and then in 2023 as well, and almost every year 0:03:08.809 --> 0:03:10.730 I've been able to get back over there and just kinda. 0:03:11.090 --> 0:03:13.290 It's just good to show up, you know, Zoom is 0:03:13.290 --> 0:03:17.029 great and, and texting is good, but to show up 0:03:17.029 --> 0:03:19.130 and to just be there in person just says a 0:03:19.130 --> 0:03:22.630 lot to people and, um, so it's well worth it. It's, 0:03:22.689 --> 0:03:25.809 it's just so well worth it and regardless of the, 0:03:25.850 --> 0:03:28.290 the safety, you know, they, the, the people they're living 0:03:28.290 --> 0:03:31.730 it every single day and so to just come in 0:03:31.730 --> 0:03:34.870 for a little bit of time is, um, it's a privilege. 0:03:35.130 --> 0:03:37.449 I'm gonna get to share at a, at a, at 0:03:37.449 --> 0:03:39.070 a church there on a Sunday. 0:03:39.439 --> 0:03:41.359 That I'm really looking forward to. I'll tell you more 0:03:41.359 --> 0:03:43.520 about it when I get back. I'm usually a little 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.760 bit cagey about what I share before I go, but 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.380 I'm happy to share after I go. But yeah, I'd 0:03:48.380 --> 0:03:51.880 definitely be appreciating everybody's prayers. It's gonna be, uh, it's 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.960 gonna be, uh, we're, I'm just so looking forward to it, 0:03:54.079 --> 0:03:55.320 so ready to get over there. 0:03:56.980 --> 0:03:59.980 I am, I have to say I'm, I'm a little 0:03:59.980 --> 0:04:03.939 bit envious. Um, I wish I was going on this 0:04:03.939 --> 0:04:08.460 trip with you to see many of our friends, but, um, yeah. 0:04:09.260 --> 0:04:12.090 Glad you're going. Glad you have the opportunity. It's gonna 0:04:12.090 --> 0:04:14.999 be great and um. 0:04:16.439 --> 0:04:18.520 Certainly be praying for that. I wish you were going to. 0:04:18.639 --> 0:04:20.240 That would have been awesome. Well, we're gonna get to 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.600 do some other trips together later in, uh, in the 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:27.859 new year. Yes, yes. So, um, speaking of hungry, uh, 0:04:28.139 --> 0:04:30.020 were you able to finish up that podcast? 0:04:30.948 --> 0:04:35.079 I'm, I'm almost done. It is fantastic. I'm, and, and 0:04:35.079 --> 0:04:37.000 the reason I'm almost done is because like I don't 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.839 want to rush any bit of it. It's so it's 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:44.259 those two together are just brilliant, and they're amazing. Yeah, 0:04:44.758 --> 0:04:48.060 I'm loving it. It's interesting listening to it and, um, 0:04:48.359 --> 0:04:50.060 hearing their, their kind of. 0:04:50.639 --> 0:04:54.169 Anglo perspective on how they understand the history as well. 0:04:54.210 --> 0:04:58.529 It's really great. I'm, they, they acknowledge that really well, 0:04:58.650 --> 0:05:01.469 you know, like we're two British guys, so you know, 0:05:01.969 --> 0:05:04.090 take this with a grain of salt. But, uh, yeah, 0:05:04.210 --> 0:05:08.299 it's good, super informative, real. I'm, it's like I, I 0:05:08.549 --> 0:05:10.138 ended up following it like I need to listen to 0:05:10.139 --> 0:05:13.370 all of these. It's just so like calming. They're such 0:05:13.370 --> 0:05:16.789 calming voices, but they're so great, so good, yeah, they did. 0:05:17.049 --> 0:05:19.448 You probably noticed the references because they did. 0:05:20.109 --> 0:05:25.020 Before that, because they're doing like 1956, while the Hungarian 0:05:25.020 --> 0:05:28.509 revolution is taking place in Budapest, uh, the crisis of 0:05:28.508 --> 0:05:33.190 the Suez Canal is going on simultaneously, like literally over 0:05:33.190 --> 0:05:35.698 the same day. So, you know, these were kind of 0:05:35.698 --> 0:05:38.328 like the two headlines at the time. So they did 0:05:38.750 --> 0:05:41.870 the Suez Canal first and then they did the Hungarian Revolution. 0:05:41.948 --> 0:05:44.539 But yeah, and what a lot of people like, um, 0:05:44.589 --> 0:05:47.989 like in Hungary, that was a big kind of sore 0:05:47.990 --> 0:05:48.699 point because 0:05:49.060 --> 0:05:51.578 Eisenhower and the American government had kind of made this promise, 0:05:51.698 --> 0:05:55.060 if you fight, we'll get behind you. And then all 0:05:55.060 --> 0:05:57.609 of a sudden the Suez Canal, and they kind of, 0:05:57.659 --> 0:06:00.690 they chose the Middle East over Eastern Europe, and it's, 0:06:00.740 --> 0:06:03.419 it's always been a point of contention. Yeah, but I 0:06:03.419 --> 0:06:05.599 think you'll find the end, um. 0:06:06.055 --> 0:06:08.494 I, I'd be interesting to to see what you think 0:06:08.495 --> 0:06:13.214 about the end because the end is really insightful, just 0:06:13.214 --> 0:06:16.815 from the point of view of our experience, um, because 0:06:16.815 --> 0:06:20.253 what they say about, you know, although the revolution failed 0:06:20.253 --> 0:06:23.734 on one level, of course, it didn't free them, but 0:06:23.734 --> 0:06:29.965 it weakens the, the, the, the really harsh communist grip 0:06:29.964 --> 0:06:31.534 that had previously been there. 0:06:32.029 --> 0:06:35.198 And it explains why like when I was reading through 0:06:35.198 --> 0:06:40.169 John Lennox's biography, and he's talking about, you know, 10 0:06:40.169 --> 0:06:43.589 to 15 years before we ever went into Hungary, he's 0:06:43.589 --> 0:06:46.750 talking about going in back when it's still part of 0:06:46.750 --> 0:06:47.169 the 0:06:47.539 --> 0:06:51.539 Um, Soviet bloc, and yet there's, there's still an element 0:06:51.539 --> 0:06:53.859 of freedom, you know, he's still able to go to church, 0:06:53.969 --> 0:06:56.259 he's still able to preach and things like that. So 0:06:56.258 --> 0:06:59.079 it really kind of helped me understand a little bit 0:06:59.339 --> 0:07:02.539 more about even our own context. You know, we came 0:07:02.539 --> 0:07:06.659 into Hungary as the Russians were leaving, literally they were 0:07:06.659 --> 0:07:11.180 driving out of the country as we were coming in. Um, 0:07:11.470 --> 0:07:14.280 and remember the Hungarians were there to just say, 0:07:15.319 --> 0:07:19.370 We love Americans. Oh, totally, yeah, the timing of all 0:07:19.370 --> 0:07:22.440 that was like incredible, wasn't it? God, you know, God 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.090 just orchestrated it. It was amazing. Yeah, so cool. Well, 0:07:26.210 --> 0:07:29.440 could you pray for Phil since he's traveling for traveling mercy, Mr. Bryant? 0:07:29.490 --> 0:07:32.449 I would absolutely love to pray for my friend Phil. Lord, 0:07:32.530 --> 0:07:35.889 we do pray. We thank you for this opportunity for 0:07:35.889 --> 0:07:36.729 Phil to go. 0:07:37.690 --> 0:07:41.699 And to minister, Lord, and you know, he's your guy 0:07:41.699 --> 0:07:45.460 and he's got such a connection and influence there. So. 0:07:46.349 --> 0:07:49.349 Use him, have your hand upon him, give him, give 0:07:49.349 --> 0:07:53.590 him words and wisdom and just everything he needs to 0:07:53.590 --> 0:07:57.750 be that ministering spirit as he goes and for those 0:07:57.750 --> 0:08:01.179 who are traveling with him and for the places they'll 0:08:01.180 --> 0:08:03.190 go and the people they'll see, we pray that it 0:08:03.190 --> 0:08:03.789 will be. 0:08:04.199 --> 0:08:11.109 Um, just an amazingly fruitful time in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. 0:08:11.220 --> 0:08:14.590 Thank you so much and, um, for, um, for others 0:08:14.590 --> 0:08:16.429 to know too, like I'm so excited because my wife 0:08:16.430 --> 0:08:19.599 is coming with me. Oh, that is so good. Yeah, 0:08:19.710 --> 0:08:21.710 we're gonna have such a great time. So thank you 0:08:21.710 --> 0:08:25.069 so much for your prayers. Awesome. Alright, 888-5. 0:08:25.174 --> 0:08:30.785 646-173. Again, 888-564-6173. We are going to start with the 0:08:30.785 --> 0:08:35.304 Facebook questions that you can send to us at facebook.com/pastor's perspective, 0:08:35.384 --> 0:08:40.925 but we do like the sound of your voice. So 888-564-6173. 0:08:41.025 --> 0:08:44.225 And now that the election day is finally over, we 0:08:44.225 --> 0:08:46.025 got an election question. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.610 Uh, I personally am just glad that uh we don't 0:08:48.610 --> 0:08:51.520 have to see those annoying political ads anymore now that 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.118 the election's over, but what James from Vancouver, Washington says is, 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.139 I have an election post day, uh, election day post. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.119 I'm wondering, uh, what a disservice, if any, a pastor 0:09:03.119 --> 0:09:03.960 does to bring. 0:09:04.045 --> 0:09:07.155 Politics into the pulpit and pray over the congregation for 0:09:07.155 --> 0:09:10.444 a specific outcome to an election. My question centers on 0:09:10.444 --> 0:09:14.004 a new believer who might start to question why God 0:09:14.004 --> 0:09:17.684 didn't allow our political view to materialize. As a longtime 0:09:17.684 --> 0:09:20.965 Christian myself, I have learned the greatest lesson that God 0:09:20.965 --> 0:09:21.585 is sovereign. 0:09:22.179 --> 0:09:25.300 He has a plan. I know that the things of 0:09:25.300 --> 0:09:27.259 this world are going to get a lot worse, and 0:09:27.259 --> 0:09:29.780 we need to trust in God and lean on him 0:09:29.780 --> 0:09:33.139 as we look toward our eternal reward. What would you 0:09:33.139 --> 0:09:36.059 say to a new believer who might be disappointed with 0:09:36.059 --> 0:09:39.970 the election outcome or questions, where is God? What are 0:09:39.970 --> 0:09:41.619 your thoughts? And we'll start with you, Brian. 0:09:45.129 --> 0:09:47.530 What would you say to a new believer who questions 0:09:47.530 --> 0:09:50.290 the outcome of the election? Um. 0:09:51.020 --> 0:09:53.410 I wonder if this is a hypothetical thing. I mean, 0:09:53.739 --> 0:09:56.900 you know, would new believers be thinking so much about that? 0:09:56.980 --> 0:09:58.699 I don't know. You know, I know when I became 0:09:58.699 --> 0:10:00.300 a new believer, the last thing I was thinking about 0:10:00.300 --> 0:10:03.020 was politics, you know, I was thinking about Jesus and 0:10:03.020 --> 0:10:06.660 the kingdom. Um, but, but I think, you know, look, 0:10:06.780 --> 0:10:11.340 we live in, um, a democracy, we live in a 0:10:11.340 --> 0:10:17.439 place where we have the wonderful privilege and freedom to 0:10:17.449 --> 0:10:18.540 to vote. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:25.090 And to voice our opinion for those who are going 0:10:25.090 --> 0:10:25.550 to 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.280 You know, lead the country. And I think it just 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:34.960 out of simple responsibility, we should take advantage of that 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.639 because not everybody has it, not, and we might not 0:10:38.639 --> 0:10:41.959 always have it. So while we have it, uh, we 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:46.839 should use it. Uh, and so, um, but I, I 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:53.119 think unless you're called specifically to politics, which some people are, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.759 and I thank God for that, um. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.368 I think you, you just do your part, you know, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.110 and which is essentially it's kind of just vote or, 0:11:02.850 --> 0:11:05.290 you know, maybe get the word out if you're zealous 0:11:05.290 --> 0:11:07.400 about a particular thing and you have a passion for 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:08.889 it and you want to share with people like, hey, 0:11:08.970 --> 0:11:10.530 you know, we need to vote on this. I think 0:11:10.530 --> 0:11:13.009 all of that's fine and good. You go with your 0:11:13.009 --> 0:11:17.270 own convictions. When it comes to the church and the pulpit, 0:11:17.770 --> 0:11:20.489 this is where I think we need to be wise 0:11:20.489 --> 0:11:23.488 and I think we need to be careful and I 0:11:23.489 --> 0:11:25.520 think we need to um 0:11:27.179 --> 0:11:29.540 You know, I, I just, I mean, and I have, 0:11:29.699 --> 0:11:31.220 I have an opinion on this that a lot of 0:11:31.220 --> 0:11:34.660 people disagree with. So maybe I'm not the right person 0:11:34.660 --> 0:11:36.499 to answer this question, and I don't think Phil's any 0:11:36.499 --> 0:11:40.859 better than I am. So people aren't gonna get probably 0:11:40.860 --> 0:11:43.939 the best answer today. Um, and we have friends and 0:11:43.939 --> 0:11:47.259 we know guys who are very, very, uh, you know, 0:11:47.340 --> 0:11:50.660 committed to kind of addressing the political thing on a 0:11:50.660 --> 0:11:52.980 regular basis and bringing that in and so forth. 0:11:53.350 --> 0:11:57.520 And of course, there are, uh, you know, politics involves 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:02.119 and and issues and so forth always involve more morality 0:12:02.119 --> 0:12:05.720 and those kinds of things. Um, I think we should 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:10.290 be informed. I think we should be biblically informed mostly, 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.238 and I think we should vote our convictions based on 0:12:14.239 --> 0:12:20.629 what the scripture says. But the idea that, you know, 0:12:20.889 --> 0:12:21.860 you have to 0:12:23.189 --> 0:12:25.900 Get, get the vote out, you know, get people out there. 0:12:25.980 --> 0:12:29.489 Make sure, you know, make sure your people get down. I, 0:12:29.660 --> 0:12:35.220 I don't think that that is my calling as a pastor. 0:12:36.119 --> 0:12:40.238 So, um, I, I do believe that there has to 0:12:40.239 --> 0:12:43.319 be a maturity level on the part of adult human 0:12:43.319 --> 0:12:45.819 beings to be able to figure some of that stuff 0:12:45.819 --> 0:12:48.579 out on their own, and they don't need me to, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.520 you know, be telling them what to do with that. So, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.259 and you know, it's, it's a really touchy thing because 0:12:55.259 --> 0:12:55.350 uh 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.960 I mean, you know, in both parties, you have craziness. 0:12:59.999 --> 0:13:02.480 I do think in one party, you have more craziness 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.639 than the other. But, um, and, and yet I think 0:13:05.639 --> 0:13:08.030 within that same party of craziness, you do have some 0:13:08.030 --> 0:13:12.160 people that are not as, you know, I, I saw 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.828 a guy last night who's who's a well known Democrat. He's, he's, 0:13:16.119 --> 0:13:19.059 you know, kind of a leader in the democratic world. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.400 And he was talking about the the Muslim guy that 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.300 was elected to the Senate in Michigan. 0:13:26.050 --> 0:13:29.340 And this, this guy's a Democrat just saying, uh, I 0:13:29.340 --> 0:13:31.900 disagree with this guy, and I think this guy's position 0:13:31.900 --> 0:13:36.259 is problematic. So I think, well, good. I, you know, 0:13:36.379 --> 0:13:38.828 I'm gonna pray for that guy. It's his own party. 0:13:39.020 --> 0:13:41.480 So they're gonna have to figure that out between themselves. So, 0:13:41.828 --> 0:13:44.259 I don't know, uh, probably just the longer I talk, 0:13:44.489 --> 0:13:46.420 the probably the more trouble I get myself in, so. 0:13:47.650 --> 0:13:50.730 So Phil, come on, jump in. He just wants me 0:13:50.730 --> 0:13:53.090 to talk so that he gets in less trouble. That's 0:13:53.090 --> 0:13:55.590 exactly it. I wanna share the love. 0:13:57.300 --> 0:13:58.889 No, I mean, you know, I, I think of like 0:13:58.889 --> 0:14:01.009 a new believer, like you said, Brian, I, I don't, 0:14:01.100 --> 0:14:03.099 I don't know too many believers that are even or 0:14:03.100 --> 0:14:05.939 new believers that are like kind of focused on that 0:14:05.939 --> 0:14:07.920 or worried about that. But what I do think about 0:14:08.179 --> 0:14:10.179 is I do think of the idea that like, and, 0:14:10.259 --> 0:14:11.900 and I, and I agree, listen, I don't think there's 0:14:11.900 --> 0:14:14.900 anything wrong with us as Christians like being reminded that 0:14:14.900 --> 0:14:17.819 voting has a real important part of our, of our 0:14:17.819 --> 0:14:18.979 society as a democracy. 0:14:19.389 --> 0:14:21.420 Um, it just seems like what we have to do, 0:14:21.470 --> 0:14:23.869 and I think it's critical as pastors, and it seems 0:14:23.869 --> 0:14:25.739 to kind of get lost, the waters get muddy, is 0:14:25.739 --> 0:14:28.379 that like, we have to remind people like this is, 0:14:28.629 --> 0:14:32.869 this is your, um, this is your privilege and obligation 0:14:32.869 --> 0:14:34.869 as a citizen of America. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:40.030 And then you utilize your Christian conviction in doing your 0:14:40.030 --> 0:14:42.199 duty as an American citizen. What I mean by that 0:14:42.199 --> 0:14:45.069 is to separate out, I'm not separating church and state, 0:14:45.119 --> 0:14:48.350 what I'm separating is that, hey, if, if my party 0:14:48.350 --> 0:14:50.800 doesn't win, my God is still on the throne. Like if, 0:14:50.879 --> 0:14:54.319 if we can't keep those two things clear, then we've 0:14:54.319 --> 0:14:56.689 done a disservice, I think as a pastor. If I've 0:14:56.689 --> 0:15:00.520 given people the idea that, you know, we need to win, 0:15:00.639 --> 0:15:03.400 that like this is, we've got to win this one. 0:15:03.739 --> 0:15:06.300 And I'm connecting that to the sovereignty of God, then I'm, 0:15:06.379 --> 0:15:09.179 I'm doing a real disservice because now I'm failing them 0:15:09.179 --> 0:15:12.639 as a pastor, uh, as it relates to Christian teaching. 0:15:13.059 --> 0:15:15.540 Go vote, the majority is gonna win. That's the way 0:15:15.540 --> 0:15:18.040 it works in America, and you go do your part 0:15:18.420 --> 0:15:20.420 under the convictions that you have as a, as a 0:15:20.420 --> 0:15:22.730 Christian believer, and you pray for God to do what 0:15:22.730 --> 0:15:24.420 he's going to do. So I think we just have 0:15:24.420 --> 0:15:26.889 to keep those things separated out. Yeah, and then I, 0:15:26.999 --> 0:15:29.179 I think at the end, whatever the outcome is, you 0:15:29.179 --> 0:15:30.259 just say, OK, Lord. 0:15:30.850 --> 0:15:33.770 Um, it's not the end of the world. You, you, 0:15:33.939 --> 0:15:37.280 you know, you're still at work, so we're gonna just 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.069 carry on, uh, with the mission that God's called us 0:15:41.069 --> 0:15:44.699 to it, you know, I've learned over the years, um. 0:15:45.929 --> 0:15:50.480 That, you know, you could get all worked up about the, 0:15:50.550 --> 0:15:55.530 the political, you know, issues and, and the candidates and 0:15:55.530 --> 0:16:00.290 you can have so much expectation and hope and, and then, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.610 you know, your, your guy wins, you know, they get 0:16:03.610 --> 0:16:07.290 in there and then they, nothing really changes, you know, 0:16:07.369 --> 0:16:09.770 it just kind of stays the same. 0:16:10.530 --> 0:16:13.869 And uh so, you know, I just think it's it's 0:16:14.249 --> 0:16:17.829 it's not it's not not important. I think it obviously 0:16:17.829 --> 0:16:19.790 is important, but 0:16:20.410 --> 0:16:20.980 Um, 0:16:22.139 --> 0:16:25.340 It's not as important as I think sometimes people make 0:16:25.340 --> 0:16:27.579 it out, you know, like, like, I mean, you hear people, 0:16:27.660 --> 0:16:29.660 you know, like this is the end of the republic, 0:16:29.739 --> 0:16:32.780 you know, this is the end of America as we 0:16:32.780 --> 0:16:37.410 know it because the Republicans lost, you know, the House 0:16:37.410 --> 0:16:38.020 and the Senate. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.160 Well, I, and I, I heard Republicans saying this, that 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.999 they were, they lost because they didn't do anything when 0:16:44.999 --> 0:16:49.360 they had the House and the Senate. They sat around. So, OK, 0:16:49.639 --> 0:16:51.639 you know, there's all kinds of opinions out there. So I, 0:16:51.759 --> 0:16:52.160 I don't. 0:16:52.850 --> 0:16:54.710 I, I, I'm too. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.920 Busy with uh other things of life to get super 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.639 immersed in that, you know. 0:17:03.369 --> 0:17:06.920 And I think too, I, I do think it's helpful to, 0:17:07.050 --> 0:17:10.928 to have a little bit of a, of an understanding 0:17:10.929 --> 0:17:12.489 just of history in general. 0:17:13.489 --> 0:17:15.530 Because these things happen over and over again. This is 0:17:15.530 --> 0:17:18.589 not new, that these cycles come and they go and they, 0:17:19.089 --> 0:17:21.290 you know, it's like, OK, we, we've kind of been 0:17:21.290 --> 0:17:21.949 here before. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:22.879 You know. 0:17:23.910 --> 0:17:27.670 So, yeah, anyway, I'm done talking about this. Let's not 0:17:27.670 --> 0:17:32.830 talk about it anymore. All right, 888-564-6173. By the way, 0:17:32.950 --> 0:17:35.709 James from Vancouver, Washington, thank you for your question at 0:17:35.709 --> 0:17:42.629 facebook.com/pastor's perspective. Again, 888-564-6173 is the number to call. We're 0:17:42.629 --> 0:17:46.060 going to start with Bernice and Himmett. Bernice, welcome to 0:17:46.060 --> 0:17:46.530 the program. 0:17:48.050 --> 0:17:49.609 Hi. Hello. 0:17:51.050 --> 0:17:53.810 Um, did you get my question already? Uh, go ahead 0:17:53.810 --> 0:17:54.509 and say it yourself. 0:17:55.790 --> 0:17:59.879 OK, uh, just on Facebook, I get things from Calvary Chapel, 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:05.879 and I'm seeing things like from San Pedro, Pasadena, New 0:18:05.879 --> 0:18:10.400 York that they've not affiliated with Costa Mesa or with 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:15.229 the Views and then reading comments, it's about ordaining female pastors, 0:18:15.239 --> 0:18:16.919 and I just wanna know if that's true or is 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.570 it like a rumor thing going around. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:24.080 OK. Pastor Brian. OK, well, it's um 0:18:25.450 --> 0:18:26.458 It's both 0:18:27.270 --> 0:18:31.349 Uh, it is true that Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa recognizes 0:18:31.349 --> 0:18:34.950 that there are women within the ministry of Calvary Chapel, 0:18:34.989 --> 0:18:40.070 Costa Mesa who serve in a pastoral manner because the 0:18:40.070 --> 0:18:44.790 word pastor simply means shepherd. They shepherd over ministries and 0:18:44.790 --> 0:18:50.249 so they are acknowledging that. Um, that's the true part. The, 0:18:50.349 --> 0:18:55.310 the rumor part is that Calvary Chapel is, you know, 0:18:56.170 --> 0:19:01.810 Left the faith, Calvary Chapels into heresy. Calvary Chapel is, uh, 0:19:01.888 --> 0:19:02.410 you know, 0:19:03.369 --> 0:19:04.589 Departed from 0:19:05.619 --> 0:19:09.239 What Calvary Chapel is and the the will and wishes 0:19:09.239 --> 0:19:12.649 of Chuck Smith and so forth. So, um, 0:19:13.530 --> 0:19:17.129 Yeah, Phil, Phil can talk about this because he spent. 0:19:18.099 --> 0:19:23.060 Several hours today in conversations over these things all day 0:19:23.060 --> 0:19:25.599 long right until pastor's perspective. 0:19:27.479 --> 0:19:31.420 Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, there is the like, 0:19:31.759 --> 0:19:34.709 and I think what Brian shared on Calvary Costa Mesa is, 0:19:34.869 --> 0:19:37.200 is all I would say about that. I'm not, I'm 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:38.839 not a pastor at Calvary Costa Mesa. 0:19:39.849 --> 0:19:41.930 I'm friends with the pastors there and the people there, 0:19:42.009 --> 0:19:44.030 but I, I have a church in San Diego, so 0:19:44.129 --> 0:19:45.770 I think that was as good as could be said 0:19:45.770 --> 0:19:48.800 about what's happening directly there in terms of like the what, 0:19:48.849 --> 0:19:51.560 what people are putting up, there is definitely like what 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.570 we would call an old school witch hunt of just 0:19:54.570 --> 0:19:57.488 kind of slander and, and probably the biggest issue that 0:19:57.489 --> 0:20:00.409 I see right now is this idea that like what 0:20:00.410 --> 0:20:03.150 is very clearly identified in. 0:20:03.940 --> 0:20:09.820 Like historically and like presently in in like good Christian circles, 0:20:09.900 --> 0:20:12.660 this is a secondary issue that we're talking about. 0:20:13.430 --> 0:20:16.790 It's really important, because when, when people are making the 0:20:16.790 --> 0:20:19.229 shout that like, I can't believe this is happening, they've 0:20:19.229 --> 0:20:24.099 gone completely whatever, liberal or progressive or whatever the terminology is, 0:20:24.349 --> 0:20:28.349 I've heard a whole bunch today. And when they say that, 0:20:28.430 --> 0:20:32.749 they're saying that they, that that church is now expressing 0:20:32.749 --> 0:20:35.949 a gospel or a, a, a means of salvation that 0:20:35.950 --> 0:20:38.849 is no longer according to scripture, it's no longer orthodox. 0:20:39.330 --> 0:20:43.330 And that is an absolute lie and should be spoken 0:20:43.330 --> 0:20:46.050 out loud to as many people as we have to, 0:20:46.109 --> 0:20:49.009 to say, you might disagree with the point on a 0:20:49.009 --> 0:20:52.249 secondary matter, but that's like me saying, do you like 0:20:52.249 --> 0:20:55.849 my shirt or not? It's not a life-changing. No, this 0:20:55.849 --> 0:20:58.570 is not heaven or hell, this is not an issue 0:20:58.570 --> 0:21:02.520 of eternal salvation. This is simply, um, there are issues 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.509 in the scriptures that we have. 0:21:05.379 --> 0:21:07.950 Some freedom in. I, I, I'll use an example I've 0:21:07.950 --> 0:21:11.820 used several times today. There are people who baptize by sprinkling, 0:21:11.830 --> 0:21:14.619 and there are people who baptize by immersion. Friends, this 0:21:14.619 --> 0:21:18.780 is a secondary matter. If you are in the desert 0:21:18.780 --> 0:21:21.499 and water is a precious commodity, you probably ain't gonna 0:21:21.499 --> 0:21:25.339 go dunking people. That is a cultural and a contextual 0:21:25.339 --> 0:21:29.129 secondary matter, and I would say the same in this thing. Um, 0:21:29.219 --> 0:21:31.979 there's many great churches that hold to different views than 0:21:31.979 --> 0:21:32.599 we do. 0:21:33.050 --> 0:21:36.050