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<v Speaker 1>Because I want to say hello and welcome to Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>Van Neuen. How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, fine. Hi, Patrick. I feel good. Perfect. I'm uh

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<v Speaker 2>in a good moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm relaxing. I'm enjoying football and there are periods in

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<v Speaker 2>life and especially in life of a football coach or

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<v Speaker 2>a football manager that you always

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<v Speaker 2>get offered a break if you want or not. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is the period that I'm in now and uh

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<v Speaker 2>trying to fill it with football, trying to discuss about football,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to meet different types of, of let's say football

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<v Speaker 2>related uh people and yeah, I'm enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't seen you. Uh I haven't seen you for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Uh, but we did saw you on the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of weeks watching some games of Moab Tel

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<v Speaker 1>Aviv in the youth department and we saw you watching,

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<v Speaker 1>I think on the leg. What are you doing in, in,

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<v Speaker 1>in those current days?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, uh let's say the period I was first here

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<v Speaker 2>in December, I was one of the countries that's still

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<v Speaker 2>playing football. The rest of the country is taking a break.

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<v Speaker 2>So I try to, to use that period also.

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<v Speaker 2>Um and yeah, I, I like to be in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to enjoy the life here.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh This, this last week I also gave a presentation

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<v Speaker 2>to the coaches of the pro license of uh of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>So more or less sharing knowledge, uh at some moments

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<v Speaker 2>that I can doing it here in Israel, doing it in,

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<v Speaker 2>uh

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<v Speaker 2>in Poland or in the Netherlands. So these kind of things,

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<v Speaker 2>uh keep me busy at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that I spoke with some guys on the

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<v Speaker 1>Youth Department of Mobi Tel Aviv, um let's say around

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<v Speaker 1>November and I asked them if someone is, is, is

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<v Speaker 1>checking what is, what is up with them with the

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<v Speaker 1>youth guys with the players. And they told me that

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<v Speaker 1>you called some of them in the department and asked

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<v Speaker 1>them if everything is ok during the war

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<v Speaker 1>and that they appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>it a lot when II I try to, to be

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with them. You have some, some coaches in,

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<v Speaker 2>in the academy that still reach out at some moments

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<v Speaker 2>or for football questions or to check how our life

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<v Speaker 2>is going and how the new club is going. Um

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, it's not, not only returning the favor, what

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<v Speaker 2>it's being correct to the people that assisted you in, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>in developing a youth department. And with some of them,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm more in touch with David. We have regular contact

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<v Speaker 2>speaking and discussing about football, watching games together. So these

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<v Speaker 2>are the things that come out of a long period

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<v Speaker 2>being in

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<v Speaker 1>Israel. I remember in 2021 when there was the, the

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<v Speaker 1>firing rockets from Gaza, you weren't at the beach like

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't really affected you and you came here doing

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<v Speaker 1>war

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<v Speaker 2>at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the period of war. A lot of foreigners

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<v Speaker 2>leaving the country because it was

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<v Speaker 2>uh for them, a new situation. Um for me in

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<v Speaker 2>that period to, to be the head coach, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you can leave the ship and uh you need to,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to be, he

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<v Speaker 1>did the semi final against the without the

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<v Speaker 2>foreigners. So this, uh this was not in my mind and,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't have, I didn't have the feeling at

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<v Speaker 2>that time and I don't have it, let's say now that, um,

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<v Speaker 2>that you are under threat, I think a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the country don't feel scared, you don't feel it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel scared. I think that the Israeli army is

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<v Speaker 2>doing a good job in that to

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<v Speaker 2>take away the feeling of, of being afraid and continuing

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<v Speaker 2>your life. This, this I knew from situations before that

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<v Speaker 2>there were smaller threats, but also in, in my experience,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say it helped me living in the last two

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<v Speaker 2>years in Ukraine by having it, having the knowledge and

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<v Speaker 2>not to be nervous about it. Were you

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<v Speaker 1>safer here or in Ukraine?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that both the countries did are doing a

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<v Speaker 2>good job. The start of the war in Ukraine. I,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't, I came in summer

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<v Speaker 2>so the bad part for the Ukrainians, I didn't, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't notice.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, so in the moment I stepped into Ukraine again,

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<v Speaker 2>it was already more of an organized, safer situation with,

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<v Speaker 2>at some moment, some, some threats.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we can say that where people see a threat

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<v Speaker 1>or fear, you see an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see, especially if I'm on the job that

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<v Speaker 2>I should, I can leave my job for this. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>it shows leadership. If you, if you move out, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that uh it comes with the position and I

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<v Speaker 2>think also that uh

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<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't come from you. Uh If the c really

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<v Speaker 2>thinks or the government really thinks it's, it's unsafe what

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<v Speaker 2>we have here. We want all foreigners to leave, then

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<v Speaker 2>you create a different situation. But if it's my own choice,

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<v Speaker 2>then I prefer to continue the job. And especially if

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<v Speaker 2>the situation where I am, is, is organized in a

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<v Speaker 2>safe way. And that time

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<v Speaker 2>we moved away from Tel Aviv and trained in, in Netanya.

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<v Speaker 2>So at that time, just 20 minutes was already a

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<v Speaker 2>more safe uh safe area.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So we see you now in Israel, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been here before you came back now again. Um

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<v Speaker 1>Is it uh to see football maybe to learn new

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<v Speaker 1>things about football or is it just you missing Israel

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<v Speaker 1>on the personal level.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh I think it's both I, I like to, to

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<v Speaker 2>keep in touch with the people that I work with

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<v Speaker 2>how the development is going. I like to see also

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<v Speaker 2>the development with my own eyes are players making the

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<v Speaker 2>progress that you want because a lot of players could

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<v Speaker 2>play in Europe. So this is always on my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>So in, in the, in the way that I work

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<v Speaker 2>outside of Israel, now, Israel is like also a scouting

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity for me

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<v Speaker 2>to see players that or grow from youth into professional

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<v Speaker 2>players or the younger professional players that I worked with

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<v Speaker 2>to see if they can make a next step. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the examples is, is Edoardo, another example is uh

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<v Speaker 2>Novato that didn't make Maccabi first team officially but was

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<v Speaker 2>with me in the training camp at that time. And then, yeah, for,

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<v Speaker 2>for that reason, I knew the player and I brought

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<v Speaker 2>him to Shaktar

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<v Speaker 2>Eduardo to, to Zoya, more or less also

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<v Speaker 1>knew Lemkin when he took him to.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I I didn't take staff Lemkin to, to Shakin

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<v Speaker 2>was on the list of, of the Shakta scouting. And

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, in from when I, when I came

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<v Speaker 2>uh to to Shakta, they asked me to speak

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<v Speaker 2>uh with, with the family because they had a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>that I maybe would be against him, his signing because

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<v Speaker 2>at the time that I started because at the time

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<v Speaker 2>I started in Maccabi, Tel Aviv, they come to come

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<v Speaker 2>to Tel Aviv at that time, he was injured. They

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<v Speaker 2>asked me like, like all the parents do in Israel

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<v Speaker 2>at 1515 years old, they think they need a contract.

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<v Speaker 2>So I refused for the simple reason that at that

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<v Speaker 2>time he was injured, I didn't have a good view

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<v Speaker 2>on him.

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<v Speaker 2>They left. So in that whole period, he developed himself

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<v Speaker 2>in a different club. And uh for me, if, if

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<v Speaker 2>Shakai has him on the radar as a scouted player,

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<v Speaker 2>as a talented player that showed qualities in uh M

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<v Speaker 2>Alito and in the under 21 and in the main

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<v Speaker 2>national team,

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<v Speaker 2>then I cannot be uh be against it. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is also, and this is just a coincidence of me

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<v Speaker 2>coming to Shag and him being scouted by, by them,

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<v Speaker 2>we

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<v Speaker 1>will, we will get to the other, but it's nice

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<v Speaker 1>to know that like he was in some, he had

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<v Speaker 1>some opinion about him and then he can change it

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, he developed to be another player for him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Um We will get to the players was

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<v Speaker 1>with you on the, on the department further on. But

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<v Speaker 1>uh

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you before maccabi Tel Aviv in

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<v Speaker 1>the recent days, appointed Gadi Boer as the academy director.

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<v Speaker 1>If I remember correctly, he worked on your U department

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<v Speaker 2>was his brother, worked, worked with, his brother was in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning period in,

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<v Speaker 1>was there any chance that you will come back to

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<v Speaker 1>that position? No,

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<v Speaker 2>no, why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for that, you need to get a question. And

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<v Speaker 2>uh what I said when we spoke before the, the,

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast is that, yeah, I'm still on the contract of,

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<v Speaker 2>of another club that finishes soon. So for me, the

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<v Speaker 2>urge to start is not there and also to, to,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say coming from a coach position to step back

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<v Speaker 2>into the youth department, but not now like in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>oh, in the future, I don't say no to, to

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of opportunities, especially if there is talent and

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<v Speaker 2>if it's in a club that wants to correctly invest

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<v Speaker 2>in the department,

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<v Speaker 1>I must say because I know a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>when he was uh uh in control of everything like

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<v Speaker 1>in the yacht academy and everything and uh it was,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I must say that everything was organized, all

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<v Speaker 1>the coaches know what to do in training and to

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<v Speaker 1>how they go to the match. Um

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<v Speaker 1>the strategy of everything. Now you think that as you

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<v Speaker 1>see Macabe, I know that he was uh you, you

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<v Speaker 1>were yesterday in the game against uh against ma under 19.

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<v Speaker 1>You think that now as you see, Maccabe, not in the,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not your first time that you see maab with

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<v Speaker 1>the under 19, you think they do the same things,

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<v Speaker 1>same principles that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>no uh this, this is not the case and this,

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<v Speaker 2>this I recognize on the field

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<v Speaker 2>uh in, in a different age because in the whole

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<v Speaker 2>period that, that I was on and off in Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw also on the 16 or on the 17 games.

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<v Speaker 2>So I try to, to see the different levels how

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<v Speaker 2>they are progressing. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>um

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<v Speaker 2>that, that the way of developing talent is differently than

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<v Speaker 2>I see it, our experience. Well, I like uh I

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<v Speaker 2>like the, I believe that from a good organization, a

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<v Speaker 2>child or a coach has the opportunity to grow because

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't need to think about it. So that means

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<v Speaker 2>that his mind is, is focused on football.

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<v Speaker 2>If I take that uh part away from a coach,

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<v Speaker 2>it means also that the coach doesn't need to think

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<v Speaker 2>about that part because he's more or less obligated to

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<v Speaker 2>do certain things because that's the philosophy of the club

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<v Speaker 2>and the club wants to go in a certain direction.

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<v Speaker 2>And there you have the coaches that assist and there

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<v Speaker 2>you have the opportunity for players to become better when

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<v Speaker 2>you are working, let's say, for maccabi Tel Aviv, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the leading clubs in Israel, then you know that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things uh will come

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<v Speaker 2>uh by itself because you will have more talent than

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<v Speaker 2>any other club. That's simply because of the logo and

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<v Speaker 2>the attraction of uh of, of the club. But you

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<v Speaker 2>need to manage it, you need to bring it all

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<v Speaker 2>in the same direction, uh to get a team to

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<v Speaker 2>get a philosophy and at the end to get an

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<v Speaker 2>end product to come into the first team.

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<v Speaker 2>And for that, you need to take decisions, uh not

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<v Speaker 2>by the coach, but by the management or by the

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<v Speaker 2>manager of the academy or by the manager of the

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<v Speaker 2>football department.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you saw the under 16, under 17, under 19,

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<v Speaker 1>you recognize that there is no like someone leading the

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<v Speaker 1>path for

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<v Speaker 2>those teams. I think it's, it's visible that coaches learn something.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's say in, in all the years that they

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<v Speaker 2>are in maccabi or that they entered maccabi,

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a certain uh professionalism in coaches. But

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<v Speaker 2>that I think there is a lack of, of uh

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<v Speaker 2>has been a lack of control on the people to

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<v Speaker 2>push them uh to a

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<v Speaker 1>higher. And I see that there is not the same philosophy,

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<v Speaker 2>ok? But this, this, this can also be a philosophy

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<v Speaker 2>from the person that comes after if, if it is

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<v Speaker 2>connected to mine. No, because I think that

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<v Speaker 2>we educate Children in school for a lot of years,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say in being better in mathematics or in English

0:12:35.099 --> 0:12:36.869
<v Speaker 2>or in any language or any subject

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<v Speaker 2>that I look a little bit the same way to football.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you learn everything in three months, in

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<v Speaker 2>four months, in five months.

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<v Speaker 2>And that there need to be a certain basic understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of football before you can make uh another step or

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<v Speaker 2>another development or another tactics. And that is by age

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<v Speaker 2>or by level that you are playing on

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<v Speaker 1>when you see um the guys that grew up in,

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<v Speaker 1>in your academy now becoming the top players of the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli football. Of course, we can speak about Daniel Perez

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<v Speaker 1>or Oscar. But we also see now in this Maccabi

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<v Speaker 1>to German and Roy Vivo and others.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And now you see the new, let's say, uh

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<v Speaker 1>Maccabi Academy,

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<v Speaker 1>what goes through your mind on the personal level

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<v Speaker 2>that I think that the boys that are now in

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<v Speaker 2>the first team or that moved away from the first

0:13:33.659 --> 0:13:36.789
<v Speaker 2>team to play abroad, that they had a decent

0:13:38.260 --> 0:13:42.760
<v Speaker 2>foundation of, of making the step into professional football. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>because they knew that what was done with them was

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<v Speaker 2>also with the intention to bring them to the first team.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no other uh let's say, thought behind it.

0:13:53.530 --> 0:13:56.510
<v Speaker 2>We needed those players for the first team to be ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh which is more or less a task of any

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<v Speaker 2>academy director to bring the players and Macabi if it,

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<v Speaker 2>it was at the beginning, very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>uh because OK, the thought was there was no quality slowly.

0:14:09.669 --> 0:14:14.369
<v Speaker 2>Every year there was quality uh or players uh return

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<v Speaker 2>to Macabe after being on loan. So you saw that

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<v Speaker 2>uh more or less in that period

0:14:20.580 --> 0:14:25.460
<v Speaker 2>things that just happened started to happen with, with an idea,

0:14:25.859 --> 0:14:28.799
<v Speaker 2>players were developed with an idea, players were sent alone

0:14:28.809 --> 0:14:32.640
<v Speaker 2>with an idea, uh players were loaned to the second

0:14:32.650 --> 0:14:36.520
<v Speaker 2>division all in one team with a certain idea which

0:14:36.530 --> 0:14:40.840
<v Speaker 2>guarantees for me, uh a higher percentage of players that

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<v Speaker 2>are ready for a Maccabi first team

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<v Speaker 1>when you were the head coach of Macabe for 10

0:14:46.090 --> 0:14:49.090
<v Speaker 1>months and you started the season after winning the cup,

0:14:49.479 --> 0:14:53.549
<v Speaker 1>you had an option to decide which guys like that

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<v Speaker 1>will stay in your team and which will go out

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<v Speaker 1>for a loan or, or will be sold.

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<v Speaker 1>And you stayed with Daniel Perez. It was your decision

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<v Speaker 1>to make him the first goalkeeper at that season and

0:15:03.059 --> 0:15:07.210
<v Speaker 1>you stayed with Eduardo Guerrero. Uh but as we see

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<v Speaker 1>now

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<v Speaker 1>the other guys and now they developed maybe uh it

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<v Speaker 1>was not enough, uh you know, there was no, there

0:15:16.419 --> 0:15:20.229
<v Speaker 1>wasn't enough players coming into the team from that group

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<v Speaker 1>of players like Ido Shaha was sent on loan and

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar stayed another year in the youth, maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>right for him to get up before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't, I, I don't, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that a lot of the development of players

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<v Speaker 2>is also done on the background. If uh let's say

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<v Speaker 2>one of the advantages for M de Aviv was when

0:15:43.450 --> 0:15:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I moved into that code position is that I knew

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<v Speaker 2>all the academy players, let's say from 16 years old

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<v Speaker 2>that were able to train or would should be able

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<v Speaker 2>to train with the first team.

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<v Speaker 2>So when there were difficulties or injuries for me, it

0:15:57.109 --> 0:16:00.409
<v Speaker 2>was easy to call the coach or the manager and say, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>give me the left wing or under 17. I need

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<v Speaker 2>the left wing.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh the same with under 19. I think a lot

0:16:07.190 --> 0:16:10.969
<v Speaker 2>of the development that let's say fans don't see or

0:16:10.979 --> 0:16:14.640
<v Speaker 2>our club doesn't see is happened on those days for

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<v Speaker 2>me on purpose in international breaks, knowing that 67 players

0:16:18.750 --> 0:16:21.969
<v Speaker 2>would move to the main team. 34 would move into

0:16:21.979 --> 0:16:24.729
<v Speaker 2>the under 21 meaning you have a gap of 10 players.

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<v Speaker 2>So that means that you need to continue the development

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<v Speaker 2>of another 15 with the help of academy players. And

0:16:31.650 --> 0:16:33.950
<v Speaker 2>at those moments to, to bring in players from the

0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.070
<v Speaker 2>academy was for me a pleasure because I could just

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<v Speaker 2>fill up the spots that I needed with talented players

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<v Speaker 2>that I knew should be able to train with the

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<v Speaker 2>first team.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh And to, to have, let's say, have the purpose

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<v Speaker 2>of developing continuing the fitness of of the other first

0:16:50.130 --> 0:16:50.789
<v Speaker 2>team players.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you can you explain the idea of taking a

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<v Speaker 1>guy like I Shaar and sending him to a high

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<v Speaker 1>five that time instead of keeping him inside

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<v Speaker 1>your team at that

0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:05.199
<v Speaker 2>moment. No, it was not a discussion in the way

0:17:05.209 --> 0:17:07.829
<v Speaker 2>of that. He should move out. The discussion is always

0:17:07.839 --> 0:17:11.510
<v Speaker 2>with players like Ido or Nadav Needham. Can we give

0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.448
<v Speaker 2>them enough minutes for them to keep, uh the, the

0:17:14.459 --> 0:17:18.819
<v Speaker 2>the progress also, uh another problem is his parents or

0:17:18.829 --> 0:17:22.349
<v Speaker 2>agents because I can tell as a head coach, listen,

0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.400
<v Speaker 2>train with me for six months. Be quiet, be every

0:17:25.410 --> 0:17:27.430
<v Speaker 2>day on the field. Do your job get better

0:17:27.959 --> 0:17:30.780
<v Speaker 2>and you will get your chances like that because that

0:17:30.790 --> 0:17:34.030
<v Speaker 2>gives an opportunity for a player to get used to

0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.290
<v Speaker 2>the professional level to show to the head coach. Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>different than let's say the experienced midfielder because that is

0:17:41.530 --> 0:17:43.660
<v Speaker 2>uh that's decisions you have to make. Do you keep

0:17:43.719 --> 0:17:46.910
<v Speaker 2>Yani or do you bring uh Io Shao or do

0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.479
<v Speaker 2>you keep Not of Needham? And, and this is something

0:17:50.489 --> 0:17:50.859
<v Speaker 2>that

0:17:52.900 --> 0:17:55.910
<v Speaker 2>players at some moment, some other understand, say, listen, I

0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.849
<v Speaker 2>stay five months. I want to fight for my chance.

0:17:57.859 --> 0:18:00.260
<v Speaker 2>If I don't play, it's my decision, then I have

0:18:00.270 --> 0:18:04.969
<v Speaker 2>the winter transfer window. But uh most of the time

0:18:04.979 --> 0:18:07.520
<v Speaker 2>players are pushed in a direction you need to play,

0:18:07.530 --> 0:18:10.180
<v Speaker 2>you need to have minutes. We need to make sure

0:18:10.189 --> 0:18:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that you uh that you play for some players like

0:18:13.369 --> 0:18:17.099
<v Speaker 2>I know he made at that time. He and Bar

0:18:17.109 --> 0:18:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Cohen

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<v Speaker 2>went earlier from, from the under 19 to by the

0:18:21.489 --> 0:18:24.329
<v Speaker 2>Tel Aviv at that time than other players. Normally they

0:18:24.339 --> 0:18:27.199
<v Speaker 2>one season on you and then they get so they

0:18:27.209 --> 0:18:29.410
<v Speaker 2>make the step. So that means also that you need

0:18:29.420 --> 0:18:32.218
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that you continue the development of those players.

0:18:32.479 --> 0:18:35.099
<v Speaker 2>And at that time, if there's not enough minutes and

0:18:35.109 --> 0:18:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the player has,

0:18:36.719 --> 0:18:40.199
<v Speaker 2>let's say the urge to play professional football, you need

0:18:40.209 --> 0:18:43.159
<v Speaker 2>to find the right way for him to develop. I

0:18:43.439 --> 0:18:43.819
<v Speaker 2>think

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<v Speaker 1>that when he go to, when he went to Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good, it was a good loan because there

0:18:49.859 --> 0:18:52.719
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of center midfielder in Aviv and it

0:18:52.729 --> 0:18:55.630
<v Speaker 1>was a, it's not easy competition, but in the year

0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.670
<v Speaker 1>after you put the blame on

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<v Speaker 1>more than I think you should take him and make

0:19:02.375 --> 0:19:07.435
<v Speaker 1>him play even more than g can we say that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in the way that use of football? Maccabi Tel

0:19:11.625 --> 0:19:15.314
<v Speaker 1>Aviv is more like, let's say real Madrid than Barcelona

0:19:15.505 --> 0:19:17.844
<v Speaker 1>and how they are putting the guys from the youth

0:19:17.854 --> 0:19:18.834
<v Speaker 1>inside the first team.

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<v Speaker 2>Um Well, I think you, I think

0:19:23.130 --> 0:19:25.660
<v Speaker 1>because we will not see at the age of 16,

0:19:25.670 --> 0:19:29.379
<v Speaker 1>like Lain Malo Kali play for Aviv, I see it

0:19:29.420 --> 0:19:30.119
<v Speaker 1>in Barcelona.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that an Israeli 16 year old is

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<v Speaker 2>not as far as a Spanish 16 years old.

0:19:35.670 --> 0:19:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Um So that is a huge difference and that's purely

0:19:38.770 --> 0:19:43.089
<v Speaker 2>because of the country. Spain having 120 million people living

0:19:43.099 --> 0:19:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and 5 million playing football. And here it's a lot

0:19:46.569 --> 0:19:50.060
<v Speaker 2>less and a lot less Children playing football and adults

0:19:50.069 --> 0:19:53.849
<v Speaker 2>playing football. So uh to be a 16 year old

0:19:53.859 --> 0:19:56.160
<v Speaker 2>and making your debut in Maccabi, Tel Aviv. It means

0:19:56.170 --> 0:19:59.969
<v Speaker 2>also that you need to have the qualities to stay directly.

0:20:00.319 --> 0:20:01.810
<v Speaker 2>And I think that, um,

0:20:02.739 --> 0:20:04.229
<v Speaker 2>the, the youth,

0:20:05.150 --> 0:20:08.689
<v Speaker 2>the level of youth football is not that strong, that

0:20:08.699 --> 0:20:11.180
<v Speaker 2>the 16 year old will be ready for, uh, for

0:20:11.189 --> 0:20:14.780
<v Speaker 2>the first team. I think that, uh, I'm always afraid that, uh,

0:20:14.790 --> 0:20:17.890
<v Speaker 2>16 year old will be sent out after a few

0:20:17.900 --> 0:20:18.250
<v Speaker 2>months

0:20:18.890 --> 0:20:21.510
<v Speaker 2>and that you don't see him anymore. So I rather make,

0:20:21.719 --> 0:20:27.780
<v Speaker 2>make a slower development with having more guarantee of the

0:20:27.790 --> 0:20:29.909
<v Speaker 2>players staying in the first team because we are

0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.129
<v Speaker 1>touching the subject. I want to ask you because we

0:20:32.140 --> 0:20:34.709
<v Speaker 1>are already in the subject. We got ahead of the

0:20:34.719 --> 0:20:38.500
<v Speaker 1>questions uh in your first in your season when you

0:20:38.510 --> 0:20:42.430
<v Speaker 1>started the preseason, the camp and everything, the training games,

0:20:42.770 --> 0:20:44.030
<v Speaker 1>you had a game against A P for

0:20:45.250 --> 0:20:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And you, and you took Oscar

0:20:47.250 --> 0:20:49.310
<v Speaker 2>in an international break. Yeah. And

0:20:49.319 --> 0:20:50.859
<v Speaker 1>he scored in that game also. Yeah.

0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.649
<v Speaker 1>Um, a few months after you left came, um LA

0:20:54.729 --> 0:20:58.179
<v Speaker 1>and cast and he put Oscar on the first team

0:20:58.189 --> 0:21:00.349
<v Speaker 1>for the playoffs of this, of the, of the finish

0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.109
<v Speaker 1>of the season. And a lot of fans and media

0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.439
<v Speaker 1>people asked, how is it possible? All that? We haven't

0:21:07.449 --> 0:21:10.500
<v Speaker 1>heard the name of Oscar before. I mean, he was here,

0:21:10.510 --> 0:21:13.520
<v Speaker 1>he was in the club, you know, him better than us.

0:21:14.260 --> 0:21:16.719
<v Speaker 1>What made you took the decision that he needs to

0:21:16.729 --> 0:21:19.119
<v Speaker 1>stay on the youth level on that season.

0:21:19.219 --> 0:21:21.599
<v Speaker 2>I think they made already their official debut in a

0:21:21.609 --> 0:21:25.030
<v Speaker 2>total cup game. So that was already before that and

0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.160
<v Speaker 2>that is the whole group more or less that is

0:21:27.170 --> 0:21:30.438
<v Speaker 2>now coming into the first team. And

0:21:30.930 --> 0:21:34.069
<v Speaker 1>but isn't Oscar, is Yogi La Mal, let's say like

0:21:34.079 --> 0:21:36.050
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't he like that? Not

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:40.739
<v Speaker 2>at, not at 1616, not at 16. Because

0:21:42.739 --> 0:21:45.660
<v Speaker 2>let's say like this Oscar always played up, played always

0:21:45.670 --> 0:21:46.540
<v Speaker 2>with one year older

0:21:46.550 --> 0:21:48.349
<v Speaker 1>until, until the under, under

0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:52.430
<v Speaker 2>15 in the under 15. I decided that I think

0:21:52.439 --> 0:21:54.560
<v Speaker 2>it's the best that he doesn't move to the under

0:21:54.569 --> 0:21:57.829
<v Speaker 2>16 because of the size and I don't want the

0:21:57.839 --> 0:22:00.400
<v Speaker 2>player to be left out because of the size. So

0:22:00.410 --> 0:22:03.000
<v Speaker 2>there are two things or I let him play under

0:22:03.010 --> 0:22:05.239
<v Speaker 2>pressure in the under 16 and tell the coach you

0:22:05.250 --> 0:22:08.849
<v Speaker 2>need to play him, which is, which is an opportunity.

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.290
<v Speaker 2>But I took the decision and said, listen, uh Oscar

0:22:13.310 --> 0:22:15.739
<v Speaker 2>and it was, I don't want to say it tough,

0:22:15.750 --> 0:22:18.218
<v Speaker 2>but to explain it to a child that always played

0:22:18.229 --> 0:22:23.260
<v Speaker 2>up and is considered as being talented to, to explain him. Listen,

0:22:23.270 --> 0:22:25.579
<v Speaker 2>stay in the under 15, stay with your age group.

0:22:25.589 --> 0:22:28.419
<v Speaker 2>Be the best, be the best every day, be the

0:22:28.430 --> 0:22:32.239
<v Speaker 2>best every game because that's also a way of developing

0:22:32.540 --> 0:22:36.420
<v Speaker 2>because his mentality is, is not to slow down.

0:22:36.930 --> 0:22:39.400
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not taking a risk that uh that he

0:22:39.410 --> 0:22:43.469
<v Speaker 2>will become lazy because he will only do more. And

0:22:43.530 --> 0:22:45.630
<v Speaker 2>that was the decision at that time. And I think

0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.979
<v Speaker 2>it was the the the perfect decision for him to

0:22:48.989 --> 0:22:51.829
<v Speaker 2>also start believing in himself to dominate the games and

0:22:51.839 --> 0:22:55.409
<v Speaker 2>to be, be the best because that, that was the

0:22:55.420 --> 0:22:58.699
<v Speaker 2>moment where he started to, to, to grow in all

0:22:58.709 --> 0:23:02.310
<v Speaker 2>facets of football, not only the, the, the football part,

0:23:02.319 --> 0:23:04.469
<v Speaker 2>but also the physical part. So it started to

0:23:04.939 --> 0:23:08.239
<v Speaker 2>come a little bit together where you could start recognizing

0:23:08.250 --> 0:23:10.938
<v Speaker 2>this is the one that most likely, in my opinion

0:23:10.949 --> 0:23:12.319
<v Speaker 2>will make it at 18 years old.

0:23:13.260 --> 0:23:13.770
<v Speaker 2>Um

0:23:14.550 --> 0:23:17.479
<v Speaker 2>Because then he will make the next step. He will

0:23:17.489 --> 0:23:20.010
<v Speaker 2>be under 17, he will go to under 19 and

0:23:20.020 --> 0:23:21.750
<v Speaker 2>from there at the moment will come that he needs

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.510
<v Speaker 2>to start making his debut and more or less that

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:28.130
<v Speaker 2>plan worked and he was on the verge of, of

0:23:28.140 --> 0:23:31.270
<v Speaker 2>making his debut. And one of the things that uh

0:23:31.750 --> 0:23:35.109
<v Speaker 2>that uh before I started the, the second, let's say

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:36.229
<v Speaker 2>the second, uh

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.180
<v Speaker 2>the new season after the first six months was one

0:23:41.189 --> 0:23:45.020
<v Speaker 2>of the requests from from the club. We want you

0:23:45.030 --> 0:23:48.829
<v Speaker 2>to bring more younger players slowly into the squad because

0:23:48.839 --> 0:23:51.500
<v Speaker 2>you have developed them and and

0:23:53.150 --> 0:23:58.810
<v Speaker 2>Oscar Vivo, a lot of other players guy Mizrahi at

0:23:58.819 --> 0:24:02.060
<v Speaker 2>that time, also players that, that made already, let's say

0:24:02.069 --> 0:24:04.839
<v Speaker 2>a move from under 92 2nd division slowly to bring

0:24:04.849 --> 0:24:08.170
<v Speaker 2>them inside because there was a lot of talent and

0:24:08.180 --> 0:24:09.550
<v Speaker 2>there still is a lot of talent.

0:24:09.780 --> 0:24:11.919
<v Speaker 1>I, I must say from my point of view, ok.

0:24:12.270 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Um I was coaching against Oscar so it was like,

0:24:16.569 --> 0:24:19.239
<v Speaker 1>uh you can, you can, you can do nothing against him.

0:24:19.550 --> 0:24:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And uh when I know that under 15, when he

0:24:22.930 --> 0:24:26.229
<v Speaker 1>was playing with the, with the year that uh bigger

0:24:26.239 --> 0:24:29.489
<v Speaker 1>than him, he was, he was also like, he, he

0:24:29.500 --> 0:24:32.569
<v Speaker 1>was the top goal scorer in the team. And the

0:24:32.579 --> 0:24:35.089
<v Speaker 1>year after he stay in the under 15, as you say,

0:24:35.099 --> 0:24:37.510
<v Speaker 1>and every year, stay with his team with his age.

0:24:37.780 --> 0:24:38.170
<v Speaker 1>And

0:24:39.020 --> 0:24:42.540
<v Speaker 1>it was like, not, it's quality for me when I

0:24:42.550 --> 0:24:44.369
<v Speaker 1>saw him, I must to say for my opinion when

0:24:44.380 --> 0:24:47.400
<v Speaker 1>he was like in the under 17, under under 16,

0:24:47.609 --> 0:24:50.909
<v Speaker 1>he was like a player that can play in the

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:52.839
<v Speaker 1>first team, not in the capital Avi but maybe in

0:24:52.849 --> 0:24:53.770
<v Speaker 1>the second division.

0:24:53.959 --> 0:24:56.349
<v Speaker 2>OK. But this is, this is a different subject. The

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.650
<v Speaker 2>two things that, that you don't know of as a

0:24:58.660 --> 0:25:01.869
<v Speaker 2>coach of, of another team is that outside of him

0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.750
<v Speaker 2>playing in his own age group, the matches, he's training

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.589
<v Speaker 2>with the under 19 or as under 15, he's training

0:25:07.599 --> 0:25:08.479
<v Speaker 2>with the under 16

0:25:08.699 --> 0:25:10.859
<v Speaker 2>as on the 16 is training with the under 17.

0:25:10.869 --> 0:25:15.139
<v Speaker 2>So there are uh decisions in his development that still

0:25:15.150 --> 0:25:17.939
<v Speaker 2>give him the challenge of competing with others or with

0:25:17.949 --> 0:25:21.750
<v Speaker 2>older and that, that happened every year. So his challenges

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.989
<v Speaker 2>were always there but it was not in an official game.

0:25:25.270 --> 0:25:27.660
<v Speaker 2>I know it was in training sessions was old, it

0:25:27.670 --> 0:25:30.229
<v Speaker 2>was in training sessions with the first team or it

0:25:30.239 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 2>was in friendly games with the under 19 or with

0:25:32.290 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 2>the first team. And these are things that are happening.

0:25:36.939 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but on training, on training when, when you see

0:25:39.569 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 1>Oscar again against the players that like bigger than him

0:25:43.329 --> 0:25:46.448
<v Speaker 1>and you see the quality that he has. I know

0:25:46.459 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, I think that he could like play in, in,

0:25:52.010 --> 0:25:54.689
<v Speaker 1>in the second division when he was like that in

0:25:55.380 --> 0:25:56.540
<v Speaker 2>that same season.

0:25:57.180 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 2>This is your opinion, in my opinion. And, and if you,

0:26:00.689 --> 0:26:03.290
<v Speaker 2>if you would have worked for Maccabi Tel Aviv, you

0:26:03.300 --> 0:26:07.639
<v Speaker 2>worked for him, for him to,

0:26:11.109 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>if I was his coach, ok. If I was his

0:26:13.530 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>coach in the under 15, under 16, I would tell

0:26:16.770 --> 0:26:19.969
<v Speaker 1>you immediately take him up, but

0:26:20.109 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 2>that's supposed to be and this is, and you, you,

0:26:23.650 --> 0:26:26.319
<v Speaker 2>that's now one of the problems in Israeli football.

0:26:26.630 --> 0:26:28.430
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to win games because of him. I

0:26:28.439 --> 0:26:32.109
<v Speaker 2>want, no, no, no, but you are not looking at

0:26:32.430 --> 0:26:35.929
<v Speaker 2>what is the best in development. And I think that

0:26:37.469 --> 0:26:41.619
<v Speaker 2>the development has to come from, from taking the right decision.

0:26:41.979 --> 0:26:44.649
<v Speaker 2>If it's for three months, it's for three months to

0:26:44.660 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>just send talented players up.

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.468
<v Speaker 2>Israeli football loses a lot of talented players in this way.

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:55.239
<v Speaker 2>So you are responsible, the excuse of the army. It's

0:26:55.250 --> 0:26:59.208
<v Speaker 2>a fake excuse. It's, it's an excuse is the development,

0:26:59.219 --> 0:27:02.968
<v Speaker 2>the way coaches are approaching football, the way coaches are

0:27:02.979 --> 0:27:08.400
<v Speaker 2>approaching talented players because what uh what would stop you

0:27:08.410 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>as a coach of a talented player to give him

0:27:11.010 --> 0:27:14.339
<v Speaker 2>extra attention or to ask for, for extra.

0:27:15.069 --> 0:27:15.569
<v Speaker 2>Um

0:27:16.479 --> 0:27:19.500
<v Speaker 2>And, and the other thing I want to tell you,

0:27:19.510 --> 0:27:23.310
<v Speaker 2>and this is that too many coaches think they know

0:27:23.319 --> 0:27:27.188
<v Speaker 2>the philosophy of the club. Uh if an academy as

0:27:27.199 --> 0:27:29.790
<v Speaker 2>an academy director, he's the one to take that decision,

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.540
<v Speaker 2>not the coach because he's the one that is looking

0:27:32.550 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 2>for the long term or he knows that the first

0:27:35.569 --> 0:27:37.839
<v Speaker 2>team is not waiting for this player. So I need

0:27:37.849 --> 0:27:41.109
<v Speaker 2>to find a different path for him to develop. But

0:27:41.180 --> 0:27:43.219
<v Speaker 2>next summer, I can get him into the training camp.

0:27:43.599 --> 0:27:46.619
<v Speaker 2>And this is exactly the steps I like to make,

0:27:46.910 --> 0:27:49.219
<v Speaker 2>not only to predict but also as I said in

0:27:49.229 --> 0:27:52.260
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, not to get players back to the academy.

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 2>If you deliver a player to the first team, it

0:27:55.170 --> 0:27:58.469
<v Speaker 2>means he needs to stay or he needs to stay

0:27:58.479 --> 0:28:00.530
<v Speaker 2>or go on loan from, from with you and

0:28:00.609 --> 0:28:02.380
<v Speaker 1>with you on this and with you totally. And I

0:28:02.390 --> 0:28:07.149
<v Speaker 1>would never say like on even or or something, everything

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.430
<v Speaker 1>was perfect. But with Oscar, I think that Maccabi, the

0:28:11.439 --> 0:28:13.219
<v Speaker 1>first team of Maccabi could like

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.409
<v Speaker 1>to see more can benefit

0:28:16.420 --> 0:28:19.169
<v Speaker 2>more from him. I don't, I don't agree. I don't

0:28:19.180 --> 0:28:22.619
<v Speaker 2>agree in this. I think that the moment he started now,

0:28:22.630 --> 0:28:25.089
<v Speaker 2>let's say to make his debut in the first team

0:28:25.170 --> 0:28:27.829
<v Speaker 2>was the moment because he didn't return to the youth.

0:28:28.829 --> 0:28:32.089
<v Speaker 2>And still there were moments that I think this, the

0:28:32.099 --> 0:28:33.069
<v Speaker 2>coach that, that

0:28:33.770 --> 0:28:37.699
<v Speaker 2>so called me made him debut in professional football, didn't

0:28:37.709 --> 0:28:41.319
<v Speaker 2>play him for 10 games also. So there is, there

0:28:41.329 --> 0:28:44.030
<v Speaker 2>are moments in a young player development

0:28:44.729 --> 0:28:48.060
<v Speaker 2>that it's all all too excited or he gets an

0:28:48.069 --> 0:28:52.530
<v Speaker 2>overload of, of training and Oscar likes to train. So

0:28:52.540 --> 0:28:56.060
<v Speaker 2>that means that every day he will be tired as

0:28:56.069 --> 0:28:58.750
<v Speaker 2>if he needs to be with the adults. And I

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:02.199
<v Speaker 2>think that you need to protect also. But to recognize

0:29:02.209 --> 0:29:04.310
<v Speaker 2>the talent is not difficult and there is a lot

0:29:04.319 --> 0:29:05.550
<v Speaker 2>of talented players that

0:29:06.250 --> 0:29:08.550
<v Speaker 2>didn't come to the first team of Maccabi, Tel Aviv

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.349
<v Speaker 2>also in the period that I was not there that

0:29:10.359 --> 0:29:12.930
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised that they didn't make it. So we didn't

0:29:12.939 --> 0:29:13.119
<v Speaker 2>get

0:29:13.130 --> 0:29:15.209
<v Speaker 1>the chance. I want to ask you for a capital Aviv,

0:29:15.219 --> 0:29:18.599
<v Speaker 1>the different of Oscar to Maccabi, what the different like

0:29:18.609 --> 0:29:21.099
<v Speaker 1>from Gavi to Barcelona or from Yin

0:29:21.935 --> 0:29:24.974
<v Speaker 1>Barcelona. But you don't think that like they are in

0:29:24.984 --> 0:29:27.314
<v Speaker 1>the same age, they play like for Barcelona, it's like

0:29:27.324 --> 0:29:28.944
<v Speaker 1>the best team supposed to be the

0:29:28.954 --> 0:29:30.795
<v Speaker 2>best team in the world. No one grows up in

0:29:30.805 --> 0:29:33.395
<v Speaker 2>Spain and one grows up in Israel. That's one. The

0:29:33.405 --> 0:29:36.714
<v Speaker 2>second is that I think in that time, uh Barcelona

0:29:36.724 --> 0:29:41.464
<v Speaker 2>probably also evaluated or scout at Oscar and they didn't

0:29:41.474 --> 0:29:42.275
<v Speaker 2>make the offer,

0:29:42.854 --> 0:29:45.805
<v Speaker 1>uh, only after they got the offer from Red Bull.

0:29:45.814 --> 0:29:49.464
<v Speaker 2>So, and if you look at choices that he could make,

0:29:50.099 --> 0:29:52.790
<v Speaker 2>he made the best choice for his football career by

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.469
<v Speaker 2>going to Salzburg because he's playing, he's playing in a

0:29:56.479 --> 0:30:00.109
<v Speaker 2>team that, that wants to dominate the games. But he

0:30:00.119 --> 0:30:01.699
<v Speaker 2>is also playing a little bit in a, in a

0:30:01.709 --> 0:30:02.599
<v Speaker 2>physical way.

0:30:02.979 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>So he needs to continue his development at a young age.

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I think they made the right choice and that he

0:30:07.810 --> 0:30:10.910
<v Speaker 2>now comes at a stage in his football career that

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:12.349
<v Speaker 2>the next step should come

0:30:13.010 --> 0:30:16.010
<v Speaker 1>as an as an academy director because you are the

0:30:16.020 --> 0:30:18.130
<v Speaker 1>one that is leading the pat when you got that,

0:30:18.140 --> 0:30:21.589
<v Speaker 1>that position and you did it in a few clubs. It's,

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:25.089
<v Speaker 1>it's I want to speak about coaches, it's difficult and

0:30:25.099 --> 0:30:27.410
<v Speaker 1>we see it in all football. We brought Castell Lega,

0:30:27.609 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>we brought Caster. There are not many coaches who are

0:30:30.689 --> 0:30:31.599
<v Speaker 1>the protagonist

0:30:31.910 --> 0:30:34.930
<v Speaker 1>who knows how to dominate the game and how to

0:30:34.939 --> 0:30:37.119
<v Speaker 1>lead the game and how to be the one with

0:30:37.130 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the possession and how to do the build up. And

0:30:40.010 --> 0:30:43.319
<v Speaker 1>when you came to Cait Aviv Academy, did you recognize

0:30:43.329 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that the coaches that you have in, in the academy

0:30:45.689 --> 0:30:47.550
<v Speaker 1>knows how to do it or they are more the

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:49.569
<v Speaker 1>one that's reacting to the game.

0:30:51.459 --> 0:30:51.969
<v Speaker 2>Um

0:30:53.239 --> 0:30:57.790
<v Speaker 2>Well, my, my, my impression of, of the coaches before

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.199
<v Speaker 2>I started to work at Maccabi Tel Aviv, I was, uh,

0:31:00.209 --> 0:31:03.380
<v Speaker 2>let's say, six months before that, I finished the job

0:31:03.390 --> 0:31:06.790
<v Speaker 2>in Kazakhstan. I was invited by, uh, by Jordy and

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:10.189
<v Speaker 2>Martin Bain at that time to, to give my view on,

0:31:10.199 --> 0:31:13.109
<v Speaker 2>on the academy. So I, I spent a few days

0:31:13.369 --> 0:31:16.199
<v Speaker 2>at the Maccabi Tel Aviv Academy at that time and

0:31:16.209 --> 0:31:17.930
<v Speaker 2>gave my findings to, uh,

0:31:18.780 --> 0:31:21.380
<v Speaker 2>to, to the management of, of the club at that time.

0:31:21.890 --> 0:31:22.390
<v Speaker 2>Um

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:24.099
<v Speaker 2>I think that

0:31:25.530 --> 0:31:27.650
<v Speaker 2>a lot of coaches were doing their own thing

0:31:28.449 --> 0:31:32.300
<v Speaker 2>and, and one coach is influenced by the first team coach,

0:31:32.310 --> 0:31:36.069
<v Speaker 2>another coach is influenced by youtube. Another coach thinks that

0:31:36.079 --> 0:31:39.410
<v Speaker 2>he is the pep Guardiola of the under 15. So

0:31:39.430 --> 0:31:43.099
<v Speaker 2>you have too much uh of own ideas.

0:31:43.790 --> 0:31:46.839
<v Speaker 2>And I think to what I said, also to develop players,

0:31:46.849 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you need a philosophy for a few seasons to be

0:31:50.650 --> 0:31:53.109
<v Speaker 2>sure that it comes out and also to be sure

0:31:53.260 --> 0:31:56.119
<v Speaker 2>what his best position will be. Um

0:31:57.180 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 2>And I think that that is one of the things

0:31:59.290 --> 0:32:02.579
<v Speaker 2>that I noticed that uh some coaches had their own

0:32:02.589 --> 0:32:06.199
<v Speaker 2>idea about how to play football, which was not always

0:32:06.209 --> 0:32:09.140
<v Speaker 2>beneficial or for the long term or for the players

0:32:09.729 --> 0:32:12.109
<v Speaker 2>and especially not for the club. So I think that

0:32:12.119 --> 0:32:13.869
<v Speaker 2>if you analyze clubs

0:32:14.589 --> 0:32:15.219
<v Speaker 2>that's who

0:32:16.239 --> 0:32:19.530
<v Speaker 2>let's say have been known to develop players, speaking about Ajax,

0:32:19.540 --> 0:32:22.979
<v Speaker 2>speaking about Barcelona, speaking about Manchester United for a long period,

0:32:23.380 --> 0:32:26.300
<v Speaker 2>speaking about some of the Eastern European clubs

0:32:27.310 --> 0:32:29.219
<v Speaker 2>is that, that are the examples that you need to

0:32:29.229 --> 0:32:31.140
<v Speaker 2>take a look at? Ok. How much time did they

0:32:31.150 --> 0:32:36.010
<v Speaker 2>take to develop these players? Uh, did the coach or

0:32:36.020 --> 0:32:38.869
<v Speaker 2>an academy coach have his own idea or was there

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.890
<v Speaker 2>one idea of developing the players? And this is something that,

0:32:42.910 --> 0:32:48.130
<v Speaker 2>uh is difficult for coaches that are not, let's say,

0:32:48.140 --> 0:32:51.599
<v Speaker 2>from a leading football country to accept that somebody comes in,

0:32:51.609 --> 0:32:53.650
<v Speaker 2>walks in a foreigner to tell them what to do.

0:32:54.380 --> 0:32:55.229
<v Speaker 2>And a,

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.010
<v Speaker 2>yeah, this is, this is something that, uh, that I

0:32:59.020 --> 0:33:03.530
<v Speaker 2>believe strongly and, and which also let's say, made me

0:33:03.540 --> 0:33:08.689
<v Speaker 2>successful in developing academies and developing teams for a longer period.

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:12.010
<v Speaker 1>I must say that I really like your way of football,

0:33:12.020 --> 0:33:14.739
<v Speaker 1>the 4 to 3 and the rotation in the middle

0:33:14.790 --> 0:33:18.329
<v Speaker 1>and that you have two players wide on the line.

0:33:18.660 --> 0:33:22.119
<v Speaker 1>And uh the way as you see football just, I

0:33:22.130 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>wanna have, uh one question that I, I want to

0:33:24.810 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>know like, why do you prefer from what I know?

0:33:28.260 --> 0:33:31.900
<v Speaker 1>Like the wing girls with the, with the, with the

0:33:32.219 --> 0:33:32.849
<v Speaker 1>foot

0:33:35.050 --> 0:33:36.729
<v Speaker 2>if you want an honest and I think it's a

0:33:36.739 --> 0:33:40.599
<v Speaker 2>stupid question. Stupid question. Yes, I know that he uh

0:33:40.900 --> 0:33:44.069
<v Speaker 2>started this on, uh, on, uh the, the, the, what

0:33:44.079 --> 0:33:45.510
<v Speaker 2>is it Twitter or whatever?

0:33:46.790 --> 0:33:50.439
<v Speaker 2>You are so funny in this, that if I put

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.329
<v Speaker 2>Cohen on the left and Eduardo on the right,

0:33:55.140 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>then why is it like that? Why not? If I

0:33:57.930 --> 0:34:00.540
<v Speaker 2>have a striker like Pica, that is also good with

0:34:00.550 --> 0:34:03.329
<v Speaker 2>the head? Do I expect go ahead to give me

0:34:03.339 --> 0:34:05.489
<v Speaker 2>a cross with the right foot from the, from the

0:34:05.500 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>O Eduardo. So that's one the second is, is, is

0:34:10.330 --> 0:34:13.029
<v Speaker 2>that the style of football that at some moments you

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>want to play is, is deciding for me 433 is

0:34:17.010 --> 0:34:17.679
<v Speaker 2>deciding

0:34:18.310 --> 0:34:22.449
<v Speaker 2>play with one controlling midfielder or with two is a choice.

0:34:22.459 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I make it a choice that also an opponent forces

0:34:25.370 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 2>you to make uh to play with left footed or

0:34:28.570 --> 0:34:31.570
<v Speaker 2>right footed. Opposite is a choice that you make.

0:34:32.270 --> 0:34:36.030
<v Speaker 2>The funny thing is that this question never comes when

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.370
<v Speaker 2>I play with Coenen and Jos to left foot at once.

0:34:39.688 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't come when I play with two right foot once.

0:34:42.248 --> 0:34:42.819
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying

0:34:42.829 --> 0:34:43.668
<v Speaker 1>this about it. No, no,

0:34:43.678 --> 0:34:47.127
<v Speaker 2>no. But I mean, I mean that the choice of

0:34:47.138 --> 0:34:50.599
<v Speaker 2>wingers depends on what you, how you want to play.

0:34:50.608 --> 0:34:52.989
<v Speaker 2>Do you want crosses for pr or do you want

0:34:52.998 --> 0:34:57.658
<v Speaker 2>short combinations with Eduardo or with Alo? No, have them

0:34:57.668 --> 0:35:00.188
<v Speaker 1>both. If you have like the wing back or the

0:35:00.198 --> 0:35:03.059
<v Speaker 1>full back, he can make the course. This is the

0:35:03.418 --> 0:35:04.388
<v Speaker 1>that can shoot,

0:35:04.708 --> 0:35:07.658
<v Speaker 2>this is, this is a choice of tactics. It doesn't,

0:35:07.668 --> 0:35:08.739
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:11.500
<v Speaker 2>come from the fact that I have a left footed

0:35:11.510 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 2>or a right footed on the wing. It's the style

0:35:13.370 --> 0:35:14.989
<v Speaker 2>of play that you want to do. The overlap will

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.330
<v Speaker 2>come with the right footed player or with the left

0:35:17.340 --> 0:35:21.500
<v Speaker 2>footed player. So that means also that uh the cross

0:35:22.090 --> 0:35:26.158
<v Speaker 2>gives me two opportunities from the right footed winger or

0:35:26.169 --> 0:35:27.968
<v Speaker 2>the left footed winger or from the one that makes

0:35:27.979 --> 0:35:29.060
<v Speaker 2>the overlap. But you don't have

0:35:29.219 --> 0:35:32.939
<v Speaker 1>if, if them both, like if there are two left

0:35:32.949 --> 0:35:35.949
<v Speaker 1>foot on the left side, ok. So you can't, they

0:35:35.959 --> 0:35:38.138
<v Speaker 1>can't like shoot to go from that, that,

0:35:38.149 --> 0:35:40.299
<v Speaker 2>that is your choice as a co and this is

0:35:40.310 --> 0:35:43.449
<v Speaker 2>my choice. And this is, these are the things that,

0:35:44.229 --> 0:35:45.159
<v Speaker 2>that, that are

0:35:45.169 --> 0:35:48.649
<v Speaker 1>not the reason was because you, you, you, you wanted

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:50.489
<v Speaker 1>the crosses to, this is the old,

0:35:51.399 --> 0:35:55.659
<v Speaker 2>not the parents take, for example, uh the first month

0:35:55.669 --> 0:35:58.529
<v Speaker 2>that I did when that we played by sheer for

0:35:58.540 --> 0:36:02.729
<v Speaker 2>the Super Cup. Blackman scored a goal because of a

0:36:02.739 --> 0:36:06.610
<v Speaker 2>good action of Eduardo until the end and him being

0:36:06.620 --> 0:36:08.939
<v Speaker 2>able to give the cross with the right foot, a

0:36:08.949 --> 0:36:11.739
<v Speaker 2>left footed player would have not given me this, a

0:36:11.750 --> 0:36:13.290
<v Speaker 2>left footed player under pressure

0:36:13.590 --> 0:36:15.979
<v Speaker 2>on the right side can never deliver a good cross.

0:36:15.989 --> 0:36:18.339
<v Speaker 2>He will always control the ball. So a defender is

0:36:18.350 --> 0:36:21.370
<v Speaker 2>always uh if he reads the moment, well, he can

0:36:21.379 --> 0:36:24.100
<v Speaker 2>always wait for that moment that he will control the

0:36:24.110 --> 0:36:26.439
<v Speaker 2>ball and then find the ball or find the moment

0:36:26.449 --> 0:36:30.530
<v Speaker 2>to tackle, um its choices, it's a style of play.

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:31.770
<v Speaker 2>It is something that

0:36:33.110 --> 0:36:37.330
<v Speaker 2>one season, let's say Guardiola plays with opposite winger the

0:36:37.340 --> 0:36:40.050
<v Speaker 2>other season, he plays with the left footed on the

0:36:40.060 --> 0:36:42.590
<v Speaker 2>left and the right on the right. It is choices.

0:36:42.750 --> 0:36:45.929
<v Speaker 2>It is any choices. It is choices that coaches make. Yeah,

0:36:45.939 --> 0:36:46.158
<v Speaker 2>but

0:36:46.169 --> 0:36:48.810
<v Speaker 1>when it happened, I don't remember when Guardiola played with

0:36:48.820 --> 0:36:51.149
<v Speaker 1>some winger on the right foot in the right side

0:36:51.159 --> 0:36:53.050
<v Speaker 1>and the left foot on the, on the left side,

0:36:53.219 --> 0:36:55.340
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember something like this, but

0:36:55.350 --> 0:36:56.489
<v Speaker 2>go, go check it

0:36:57.469 --> 0:37:00.709
<v Speaker 2>with Sterling or if it's with man or if it's

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 2>with grill or if it's with like on the opposite side,

0:37:04.850 --> 0:37:05.879
<v Speaker 2>they are not always like

0:37:05.889 --> 0:37:08.479
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like for on the left side, he put him now,

0:37:08.570 --> 0:37:13.259
<v Speaker 1>but it's not like us one side, he put like

0:37:13.270 --> 0:37:16.090
<v Speaker 1>with the other with the opposite side in one side,

0:37:16.100 --> 0:37:18.639
<v Speaker 1>if it's for sure, like or on the right or

0:37:18.649 --> 0:37:20.939
<v Speaker 1>on the left, he put like opposite for sure.

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.780
<v Speaker 2>And for me, honestly, I don't care,

0:37:24.449 --> 0:37:29.149
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. It's the, it's the choice that you make.

0:37:29.159 --> 0:37:33.669
<v Speaker 2>It's the availability of players and it's a moment in

0:37:33.679 --> 0:37:36.939
<v Speaker 2>developing your team that is there. It's an opportunity and

0:37:36.949 --> 0:37:38.709
<v Speaker 2>I don't see it as an extra

0:37:40.030 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 2>what

0:37:40.129 --> 0:37:42.888
<v Speaker 1>you prefer. This is, it's true that you prefer that

0:37:42.909 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 1>the strong foot on the, on the, on the side

0:37:46.409 --> 0:37:49.649
<v Speaker 1>that if there are, if I'm right, strong foot on

0:37:49.669 --> 0:37:51.149
<v Speaker 1>the line you prefer me on the right?

0:37:51.159 --> 0:37:56.659
<v Speaker 2>No, this is not correct. OK, because in, in, in Zoya,

0:37:56.729 --> 0:38:02.449
<v Speaker 2>I played with opposite. I played with same size, same side,

0:38:02.459 --> 0:38:05.590
<v Speaker 2>I play with opposite. I play the chapter the same,

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.830
<v Speaker 2>it's everywhere, the same discussion

0:38:08.300 --> 0:38:11.169
<v Speaker 2>in a way of uh and, and part comes how

0:38:11.179 --> 0:38:13.649
<v Speaker 2>the player grew up, did he grow up on the

0:38:13.659 --> 0:38:14.979
<v Speaker 2>right side or did he grow up on the left?

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:18.060
<v Speaker 2>So the choice, the

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:19.250
<v Speaker 1>choice for the

0:38:19.879 --> 0:38:24.219
<v Speaker 2>discussion in, in, in a player is sometimes because simply

0:38:24.229 --> 0:38:25.290
<v Speaker 2>he played for four years

0:38:25.919 --> 0:38:29.158
<v Speaker 2>in that position. And now coach tells him to play

0:38:29.169 --> 0:38:29.750
<v Speaker 2>on the other

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>side. What I'm saying, what I tried to say in

0:38:31.610 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the start when you say it's a stupid question when

0:38:33.729 --> 0:38:36.020
<v Speaker 1>I spoke with like coaches that was like coaching the

0:38:36.030 --> 0:38:38.770
<v Speaker 1>new Maha Aviv in the yard development.

0:38:39.350 --> 0:38:41.860
<v Speaker 1>So they told me that if I want to put

0:38:41.870 --> 0:38:44.840
<v Speaker 1>like my wing, if he was like in the right foot,

0:38:44.850 --> 0:38:46.850
<v Speaker 1>if I want to put him on the left side,

0:38:46.860 --> 0:38:49.609
<v Speaker 1>so you said, tell them no, only on the right.

0:38:50.219 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>So this is why

0:38:51.729 --> 0:38:55.639
<v Speaker 2>this question, but this is, this is part of a

0:38:55.649 --> 0:39:00.699
<v Speaker 2>bigger plan. This is the one because at the end,

0:39:01.989 --> 0:39:04.830
<v Speaker 2>at the end, they were allowed to

0:39:05.530 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 2>change sides to let players change side, to give the

0:39:10.129 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 2>signal to the players, to change side. If a player

0:39:12.530 --> 0:39:16.350
<v Speaker 2>is not, let's say giving his best or looking unhappy

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>or he has some pit bull that's killing him on

0:39:18.570 --> 0:39:21.379
<v Speaker 2>that side. Ok. Go 5, 10 minutes to the other side,

0:39:21.389 --> 0:39:22.830
<v Speaker 2>come back into the game. And

0:39:23.659 --> 0:39:28.139
<v Speaker 2>uh, starting, let's say if we speak about football development

0:39:28.149 --> 0:39:32.959
<v Speaker 2>for me, there are certain things players coaches need to do.

0:39:33.860 --> 0:39:36.540
<v Speaker 2>And that means also that there is no other option.

0:39:37.020 --> 0:39:39.549
<v Speaker 2>That means also that not only the player will be,

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.699
<v Speaker 2>let's say brainwashed. Also the culture will be brainwashed for

0:39:42.709 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 2>his feeling. Um But it is part of the bigger

0:39:46.129 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>picture that I want. First one

0:39:48.909 --> 0:39:52.060
<v Speaker 2>philosophy to be inside everybody's head

0:39:52.699 --> 0:39:56.689
<v Speaker 2>before I started at maccabi Tel Aviv without one training session,

0:39:56.699 --> 0:40:01.959
<v Speaker 2>without one moment of them showing me something. I told

0:40:01.969 --> 0:40:03.678
<v Speaker 2>them this is the way you are going to play.

0:40:03.729 --> 0:40:06.649
<v Speaker 2>This is the way you are going to train, everybody

0:40:06.659 --> 0:40:08.590
<v Speaker 2>is going to do it. You're the coach of under eight,

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 2>you do it like this, you're the coach of under 19,

0:40:10.929 --> 0:40:11.959
<v Speaker 2>you do it like this

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:15.299
<v Speaker 2>and this, this is the way I think

0:40:16.229 --> 0:40:20.030
<v Speaker 2>to start. And that means that ok, I don't, I don't,

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to be the popular guy. I'm not

0:40:21.810 --> 0:40:24.929
<v Speaker 2>here to be the guy. And that means also that

0:40:24.939 --> 0:40:27.270
<v Speaker 2>I have to stop people from doing their own thing.

0:40:27.590 --> 0:40:31.259
<v Speaker 2>And to get in that direction, you need to be,

0:40:31.270 --> 0:40:33.760
<v Speaker 2>uh you need to be ready to lose people and

0:40:33.770 --> 0:40:37.330
<v Speaker 2>I lost coaches. And I know that when you start

0:40:37.340 --> 0:40:40.779
<v Speaker 2>to develop players and the philosophy you will lose people,

0:40:40.790 --> 0:40:41.649
<v Speaker 2>you will lose players,

0:40:42.139 --> 0:40:44.479
<v Speaker 2>you should never be afraid of that because the next

0:40:44.489 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 2>one is waiting or the next one is waiting to

0:40:47.010 --> 0:40:50.620
<v Speaker 2>be developed. So that is something that is part of

0:40:50.629 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>my philosophy that I like to develop. Not only players,

0:40:54.250 --> 0:40:56.709
<v Speaker 2>uh I like to develop a philosophy that is there

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:00.929
<v Speaker 2>for the club. And that guarantees, let's say players for

0:41:00.939 --> 0:41:03.429
<v Speaker 2>the first team. But it also more or less gives

0:41:03.439 --> 0:41:05.770
<v Speaker 2>opportunities for coaches to grow into

0:41:06.550 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>professional football coaches. And some like to be a specialist

0:41:09.570 --> 0:41:12.459
<v Speaker 2>in under 15, some like to be in under 19

0:41:12.469 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 2>and some have the ambitions to, to go into adult football.

0:41:15.860 --> 0:41:18.199
<v Speaker 2>And this is something they will find out. But one

0:41:18.209 --> 0:41:19.250
<v Speaker 2>thing will always stay

0:41:20.189 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 2>is that the coaches that, that, that grow up in

0:41:23.090 --> 0:41:28.310
<v Speaker 2>a philosophy like that for, for, for their personal philosophy,

0:41:28.530 --> 0:41:31.399
<v Speaker 2>go in the same direction, go in the same direction of,

0:41:31.409 --> 0:41:35.449
<v Speaker 2>of developing football in believing in it. It stays with

0:41:35.459 --> 0:41:39.709
<v Speaker 2>people because it's an organized structured way of, of looking

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:40.290
<v Speaker 2>at football,

0:41:40.570 --> 0:41:43.300
<v Speaker 2>which is assisting you and making life easy, not life

0:41:43.310 --> 0:41:47.179
<v Speaker 1>difficult. I just, I must say that you benefit a

0:41:47.189 --> 0:41:50.699
<v Speaker 1>lot from, from your philosophy also for winger because they

0:41:50.709 --> 0:41:54.110
<v Speaker 1>like they know how to go forward if they, if they,

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.510
<v Speaker 1>if they have like the strong foot on the line.

0:41:56.689 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>So there there a possibility to go forward if you

0:41:59.570 --> 0:42:01.709
<v Speaker 1>are in the oppo opposite side,

0:42:01.969 --> 0:42:05.570
<v Speaker 1>they try with the technique, like to get into the middle. OK.

0:42:05.580 --> 0:42:09.100
<v Speaker 1>So it's better to, um, uh, for the game, like

0:42:09.110 --> 0:42:12.100
<v Speaker 1>if you want to take it forward. But the creativity,

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:14.989
<v Speaker 1>it's like, uh, the, it's, you don't think like, uh,

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.810
<v Speaker 1>you lose something from this, from the, from the windows.

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.179
<v Speaker 1>You don't think that they lo lose something or all

0:42:21.189 --> 0:42:23.969
<v Speaker 1>the things that they on, one on one, the dribbles everything.

0:42:24.439 --> 0:42:25.949
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.218
<v Speaker 2>because uh I'm not looking at the point of view

0:42:29.229 --> 0:42:31.870
<v Speaker 2>that from the 25 players in a group, let's say

0:42:31.879 --> 0:42:32.819
<v Speaker 2>in a youth team,

0:42:33.399 --> 0:42:35.020
<v Speaker 2>25 are talented,

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I think in every group. And this is something I

0:42:39.409 --> 0:42:43.129
<v Speaker 2>took from a long time. My aim as an academy

0:42:43.139 --> 0:42:47.020
<v Speaker 2>director is to deliver 4 to 8 talent, talent

0:42:47.790 --> 0:42:51.020
<v Speaker 2>and um for at the end for the head coach

0:42:51.030 --> 0:42:53.020
<v Speaker 2>and the sport director to make the choice which one

0:42:53.030 --> 0:42:56.250
<v Speaker 2>we keep, which one goes out, which one? Uh we,

0:42:56.260 --> 0:42:56.969
<v Speaker 2>we can sell

0:42:57.689 --> 0:43:00.030
<v Speaker 2>and this is the way I look at it. So

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.229
<v Speaker 2>the two players that are overly talented like the gloss

0:43:03.469 --> 0:43:07.250
<v Speaker 2>or uh Vivo or Tuman, they will find their way,

0:43:07.610 --> 0:43:10.370
<v Speaker 2>but they will benefit from the discipline and the demands

0:43:10.379 --> 0:43:14.620
<v Speaker 2>that they have every day. Uh players like like uh

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:20.169
<v Speaker 2>or a Vivo or needs or shaka, they benefit also

0:43:20.179 --> 0:43:23.580
<v Speaker 2>from putting their energy into a system and knowing my

0:43:23.590 --> 0:43:27.929
<v Speaker 2>teammates are responsible for certain parts also, instead of going

0:43:27.939 --> 0:43:29.919
<v Speaker 2>all over the place and with

0:43:29.929 --> 0:43:34.020
<v Speaker 1>the academic discussion behind us, uh we just another two

0:43:34.030 --> 0:43:35.459
<v Speaker 1>questions about it. Um

0:43:37.459 --> 0:43:43.350
<v Speaker 1>You had a strong view regarding what you allow your

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:48.529
<v Speaker 1>players during the contract uh discussions and you lost talented

0:43:48.540 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 1>guys because of that guys that wanted a release to Europe.

0:43:53.969 --> 0:43:56.879
<v Speaker 1>Basically a poll took you at that time. It was

0:43:56.889 --> 0:44:00.139
<v Speaker 1>Lemkin but you just came, it was also Senio, it

0:44:00.149 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 1>was ta abed, I think on that same uh same discussion.

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:05.580
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't remember the

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.179
<v Speaker 2>story was already gone before me. OK?

0:44:08.350 --> 0:44:10.959
<v Speaker 1>But, but you lost some guys on that or I

0:44:11.060 --> 0:44:13.979
<v Speaker 1>think they took you some guys because of that. When

0:44:13.989 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>you look back on that retrospect, do you think it

0:44:17.610 --> 0:44:20.199
<v Speaker 1>was still the right decision to insist on them not

0:44:20.209 --> 0:44:22.100
<v Speaker 1>getting the release close to Europe?

0:44:22.870 --> 0:44:26.010
<v Speaker 2>Uh Yes, there are two things for that. First of all,

0:44:26.020 --> 0:44:27.750
<v Speaker 2>I think that Maccabi Tel Aviv puts a lot of

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.060
<v Speaker 2>money in the academy. So that means also that Maccabi

0:44:31.070 --> 0:44:34.250
<v Speaker 2>Tel Aviv is taking charge of the development of uh of,

0:44:34.260 --> 0:44:35.689
<v Speaker 2>of let's say the sun.

0:44:36.870 --> 0:44:40.959
<v Speaker 2>That means also that uh before, before I came because

0:44:40.969 --> 0:44:42.889
<v Speaker 2>that is one of the things I try to uh

0:44:42.899 --> 0:44:45.110
<v Speaker 2>reduce or to take out is that parents need to

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.129
<v Speaker 2>pay because if you pay, you have a feeling that

0:44:48.139 --> 0:44:51.219
<v Speaker 2>you are in charge of your son's career because I

0:44:51.229 --> 0:44:53.729
<v Speaker 2>pay you to develop my son. So that means that

0:44:53.739 --> 0:44:56.199
<v Speaker 2>I need to get something back. So that more or

0:44:56.209 --> 0:44:58.219
<v Speaker 2>less was one of the things that changed directly is

0:44:58.229 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>that from, from a certain age you don't, players are

0:45:01.810 --> 0:45:05.010
<v Speaker 2>not paying anymore. Macabi Tel Aviv takes charge, you train extra,

0:45:05.020 --> 0:45:06.129
<v Speaker 2>you get extra coaches,

0:45:06.489 --> 0:45:09.620
<v Speaker 2>you don't uh uh you only have to come, you

0:45:09.629 --> 0:45:10.509
<v Speaker 2>only have to show up.

0:45:11.330 --> 0:45:14.729
<v Speaker 2>Um That's one the second thing that you take away

0:45:14.739 --> 0:45:18.060
<v Speaker 2>also directly is the feeling of, of parents thinking they

0:45:18.070 --> 0:45:19.790
<v Speaker 2>are in charge of their son's career.

0:45:20.469 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 2>The play is mentioned by you

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.379
<v Speaker 2>for me, they were not on the list of top talents.

0:45:26.020 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 2>So being being let's say, evaluated as not being a

0:45:30.610 --> 0:45:33.040
<v Speaker 2>top talent, my advice to a club is differently

0:45:35.429 --> 0:45:39.979
<v Speaker 2>worth it or not worth it. I think that salaries

0:45:40.090 --> 0:45:42.750
<v Speaker 2>shoot up to be 18 years old should not be

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:43.370
<v Speaker 2>important

0:45:44.070 --> 0:45:50.179
<v Speaker 2>because you are willing to develop my remark to parents

0:45:50.189 --> 0:45:52.500
<v Speaker 2>was always why you don't ask me why my son

0:45:52.739 --> 0:45:53.889
<v Speaker 2>doesn't train extra.

0:45:54.989 --> 0:45:59.330
<v Speaker 2>Why parents hire a psychologist? Why parents hire a fitness coach?

0:45:59.340 --> 0:46:03.219
<v Speaker 2>Why parents hire a technical coach? Why parents uh need

0:46:03.229 --> 0:46:07.679
<v Speaker 2>to hire a mathematics teacher extra or something? Why you

0:46:07.689 --> 0:46:09.679
<v Speaker 2>don't demand this from me? You want my son to

0:46:09.689 --> 0:46:12.649
<v Speaker 2>play football eight times in the week, make sure that

0:46:12.659 --> 0:46:15.330
<v Speaker 2>all these things are arranged and then you have him

0:46:17.340 --> 0:46:20.489
<v Speaker 2>the age of 15 in the ruling in Israeli football

0:46:20.500 --> 0:46:24.070
<v Speaker 2>is an age where some of the parents go crazy

0:46:24.870 --> 0:46:26.689
<v Speaker 2>speaking about. Ok, my son

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:31.810
<v Speaker 2>football is finished football becomes business. I want this amount

0:46:32.610 --> 0:46:35.419
<v Speaker 2>for my son and I want the contract, ok? If

0:46:35.429 --> 0:46:36.718
<v Speaker 2>you then confront them

0:46:37.399 --> 0:46:40.330
<v Speaker 2>with your son is not a talented player, so we

0:46:40.340 --> 0:46:42.620
<v Speaker 2>are not going to pay you money, but he can

0:46:42.629 --> 0:46:45.459
<v Speaker 2>continue his development within the club. And if he does

0:46:45.469 --> 0:46:47.179
<v Speaker 2>well in one year, two years and we

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.149
<v Speaker 2>want him to offer a contract, we will get back

0:46:50.159 --> 0:46:51.540
<v Speaker 2>to you and some

0:46:52.229 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 2>parents try also to play the, the,

0:46:56.399 --> 0:47:00.489
<v Speaker 2>the the how to say it training in a foreign academy. Yeah,

0:47:00.500 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. But if a club put so much money

0:47:03.370 --> 0:47:06.340
<v Speaker 2>in an academy, it is a very unpolite question

0:47:07.179 --> 0:47:09.549
<v Speaker 2>to ask for your son to train somewhere else. But

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:10.129
<v Speaker 2>this is a deal

0:47:10.139 --> 0:47:11.100
<v Speaker 1>breaker because think

0:47:11.110 --> 0:47:14.729
<v Speaker 2>that why is it a deal breaker in Israel? It's

0:47:14.739 --> 0:47:14.909
<v Speaker 2>a deal

0:47:16.219 --> 0:47:18.649
<v Speaker 1>only in Israel. But what I want to ask, like

0:47:19.199 --> 0:47:23.110
<v Speaker 1>you prefer to lose them all this kind of talented

0:47:23.129 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and to another club in Israel.

0:47:26.820 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I don't care. But

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 1>in this thing, you said something else, you said that

0:47:31.669 --> 0:47:34.770
<v Speaker 1>in those moments when there was the age of 15,

0:47:34.780 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you didn't saw them as top talent.

0:47:37.409 --> 0:47:40.129
<v Speaker 1>The names dimension wasn't

0:47:41.020 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 2>a is a different story. He was injured, he broke

0:47:43.530 --> 0:47:46.069
<v Speaker 2>his leg, he was injured for six months and we

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:49.479
<v Speaker 2>just simply told him, listen, get fit soon, first play

0:47:49.489 --> 0:47:52.060
<v Speaker 2>in the under 16, we will get back the moment

0:47:52.070 --> 0:47:53.919
<v Speaker 2>that you are playing. Ok? If then

0:47:54.649 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the parents think, ok, I'm sorry, my son broke his leg.

0:47:58.010 --> 0:47:59.830
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for the medical care. But we

0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:03.350
<v Speaker 2>go to another club. It's something else. It's their decision.

0:48:03.870 --> 0:48:06.429
<v Speaker 2>It has nothing to do with giving them the money.

0:48:06.439 --> 0:48:09.350
<v Speaker 2>It's purely a point of view of football development. You

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:11.939
<v Speaker 2>have been injured for a long period. Show us that

0:48:11.949 --> 0:48:13.639
<v Speaker 2>you are fit again and we get back on the

0:48:13.649 --> 0:48:14.820
<v Speaker 2>table and it was about

0:48:14.830 --> 0:48:17.859
<v Speaker 1>money because I know that didn't like bring them money

0:48:20.050 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 1>to go to a play, a board like to play

0:48:23.139 --> 0:48:23.689
<v Speaker 1>for free.

0:48:23.699 --> 0:48:26.229
<v Speaker 2>That is maybe what they tell you. But I,

0:48:26.750 --> 0:48:30.649
<v Speaker 2>what I'm telling was part of it. That means that,

0:48:30.659 --> 0:48:34.159
<v Speaker 2>that you are not informed correctly because the simple fact

0:48:34.169 --> 0:48:36.429
<v Speaker 2>was he broke his leg before. No,

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:38.689
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying about s and Lemkin.

0:48:39.219 --> 0:48:41.949
<v Speaker 2>Ok. But listen, but with all these names so we

0:48:41.959 --> 0:48:44.570
<v Speaker 2>can speak about names. The point of view of parents

0:48:44.580 --> 0:48:47.830
<v Speaker 2>is my son turns 15. You need to give me money.

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:49.399
<v Speaker 2>If not, I go. Ok.

0:48:50.429 --> 0:48:53.459
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sorry if I don't think at that moment

0:48:53.469 --> 0:48:56.770
<v Speaker 2>that and I'm responsible for it to advise the club

0:48:56.780 --> 0:48:58.969
<v Speaker 2>not to do it, then I have my reasons for that.

0:48:59.189 --> 0:49:00.350
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think I'm wrong

0:49:01.310 --> 0:49:02.299
<v Speaker 2>in this way. That's,

0:49:02.310 --> 0:49:05.149
<v Speaker 1>that's, that's only because the under 15 rule in Israel.

0:49:05.159 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean it wouldn't happen in

0:49:07.449 --> 0:49:09.620
<v Speaker 2>be no, but the question would not come in pay

0:49:10.169 --> 0:49:14.280
<v Speaker 2>because because the the compensation starts at 12 years old.

0:49:14.929 --> 0:49:17.830
<v Speaker 2>So to pay and any amount is different if you

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:20.100
<v Speaker 2>need to pay after four years of, let's say maha

0:49:20.270 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 2>T Aviv $100,000 you think he will even call? No,

0:49:24.050 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 2>because he knows he will not get $100,000. So simply

0:49:28.090 --> 0:49:28.770
<v Speaker 2>the ruling

0:49:29.100 --> 0:49:33.350
<v Speaker 2>uh is, is, is creating in part of the parents

0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:37.239
<v Speaker 2>uh even in the not talented parents and a moment

0:49:37.250 --> 0:49:39.899
<v Speaker 2>where they think, OK, my son can get some money.

0:49:40.290 --> 0:49:42.669
<v Speaker 1>OK. Do you, do you have any regret on, on

0:49:42.679 --> 0:49:44.279
<v Speaker 1>your time? On the? No, no,

0:49:44.429 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 2>no, no, not one in this case, uh

0:49:47.689 --> 0:49:50.870
<v Speaker 2>players come and go. I think that at all times,

0:49:50.879 --> 0:49:55.179
<v Speaker 2>Maccabi Tel Aviv had talented players to reach the first team.

0:49:55.350 --> 0:50:00.379
<v Speaker 2>Uh some talent, some generations are more talented, but I

0:50:00.389 --> 0:50:03.090
<v Speaker 2>think that's why I called the number 4 to 8

0:50:03.100 --> 0:50:06.429
<v Speaker 2>talented players to deliver. Uh I think this should always

0:50:06.439 --> 0:50:10.399
<v Speaker 2>be possible to come from uh from under 19 and

0:50:10.409 --> 0:50:13.389
<v Speaker 2>even better in a solution of an under 21 team.

0:50:13.689 --> 0:50:15.939
<v Speaker 2>You should make it possible to have 4 to 8

0:50:15.949 --> 0:50:18.729
<v Speaker 2>talented players to make the squad and some of them

0:50:18.739 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 2>to make the 1st 11. I

0:50:20.570 --> 0:50:24.149
<v Speaker 1>want to take you back to the 2020. It's the,

0:50:24.159 --> 0:50:27.949
<v Speaker 1>it's the COVID uh time you took the team to

0:50:27.959 --> 0:50:32.949
<v Speaker 1>the training uh training camp in Jerusalem if I remember correctly.

0:50:33.370 --> 0:50:36.250
<v Speaker 1>And then uh uh G Donis came to be the

0:50:36.260 --> 0:50:38.989
<v Speaker 1>head coach things didn't work out. You took the job

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.770
<v Speaker 1>uh near theem. Then came the amazing run

0:50:43.929 --> 0:50:45.989
<v Speaker 1>at that point for you.

0:50:46.979 --> 0:50:49.179
<v Speaker 1>When you saw the opportunity to become the coach of

0:50:49.370 --> 0:50:51.439
<v Speaker 1>Maccabi Tel Aviv, did you thought it will be your

0:50:51.449 --> 0:50:53.969
<v Speaker 1>direction for the next years or? So,

0:50:55.060 --> 0:50:59.270
<v Speaker 2>let's say like this the first, what was it? We started,

0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.679
<v Speaker 2>I think around 20th on a Monday

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.830
<v Speaker 2>until the beginning of August. I think we finalized the

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:09.389
<v Speaker 2>two State Cup matches at that time. The Super Cup,

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.340
<v Speaker 2>the Super Cup was on two games at that time

0:51:13.350 --> 0:51:14.739
<v Speaker 2>against Beersheba.

0:51:15.500 --> 0:51:16.370
<v Speaker 2>And, uh,

0:51:17.969 --> 0:51:21.029
<v Speaker 2>at that time, Barack and me, we, we had some

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.100
<v Speaker 2>talks with different, uh, coaches

0:51:24.639 --> 0:51:28.379
<v Speaker 2>and more or less. We were not joking but looking at, ok,

0:51:28.389 --> 0:51:30.620
<v Speaker 2>what will happen? We have only a few days left

0:51:31.110 --> 0:51:35.819
<v Speaker 2>and it's ok bringing candidates to the owner,

0:51:36.530 --> 0:51:40.319
<v Speaker 2>um, for them to decide. And Barack looked at me

0:51:40.330 --> 0:51:42.158
<v Speaker 2>and said, listen, Patrick, if it goes wrong,

0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:46.009
<v Speaker 2>you need to start the season because then you are

0:51:46.020 --> 0:51:49.279
<v Speaker 2>the only one candidate that we have for us to

0:51:49.290 --> 0:51:53.040
<v Speaker 2>start the season. Uh, can we offer this? I said, listen,

0:51:53.050 --> 0:51:54.959
<v Speaker 2>if this is the only way, of course, I do it,

0:51:55.659 --> 0:51:58.870
<v Speaker 2>I'm, I'm here. I know the players. I know, uh,

0:51:59.620 --> 0:52:01.899
<v Speaker 2>what they have done. I said, but you have to

0:52:01.909 --> 0:52:04.199
<v Speaker 2>imagine that I want to do it

0:52:04.850 --> 0:52:08.429
<v Speaker 2>my way. So don't tell me what to do or

0:52:08.439 --> 0:52:11.530
<v Speaker 2>tell me to play with five or whatever. I said,

0:52:11.540 --> 0:52:14.350
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing it because I saw it as an

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:16.509
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to show the academy coaches

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:20.939
<v Speaker 2>what we are doing for this whole period in the

0:52:20.949 --> 0:52:23.189
<v Speaker 2>academy can work on the first team. We'll work in

0:52:23.199 --> 0:52:25.589
<v Speaker 2>the first team also because this is the way you

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.509
<v Speaker 2>speak with coaches and the way to, to show them

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.419
<v Speaker 2>that it's possible. So this is what we were doing.

0:52:32.010 --> 0:52:35.550
<v Speaker 2>Um, ok, there was no coaching stuff. So at that time,

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:38.679
<v Speaker 2>I said, ok, then the two coaches, then the 19

0:52:38.689 --> 0:52:40.770
<v Speaker 2>head coach and I'm the 17 head coach at that time,

0:52:40.780 --> 0:52:43.479
<v Speaker 2>only David and a, as I said, you guys will

0:52:43.489 --> 0:52:45.949
<v Speaker 2>assist me and, uh, more or less, we decided this

0:52:45.959 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 2>on a Sunday and a Monday we needed to start. Um,

0:52:50.479 --> 0:52:54.229
<v Speaker 2>so we started and, uh, ok, you, you, you meet

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:57.050
<v Speaker 2>the team, everybody knows. Of course, yes, it's for the

0:52:57.060 --> 0:52:59.899
<v Speaker 2>moment until, uh, head coach is coming.

0:53:00.979 --> 0:53:03.070
<v Speaker 2>And I explained also at that time, I said, I'm

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:06.280
<v Speaker 2>here to make you fit for the season. And I

0:53:06.290 --> 0:53:09.679
<v Speaker 2>have my ideas and some of them, of course, had

0:53:09.689 --> 0:53:12.179
<v Speaker 2>our younger brothers in the, in the team, so they

0:53:12.189 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 2>knew what, what could happen or which direction it would go.

0:53:15.469 --> 0:53:17.638
<v Speaker 2>And we started to work from the first day with,

0:53:17.649 --> 0:53:21.540
<v Speaker 2>with playing football and playing a different style of football

0:53:21.550 --> 0:53:25.979
<v Speaker 2>because that was also, uh, I told him also that

0:53:25.989 --> 0:53:28.179
<v Speaker 2>time and I also said it here and the, the

0:53:28.189 --> 0:53:28.759
<v Speaker 2>coaches

0:53:29.639 --> 0:53:32.389
<v Speaker 2>in the IFA, I said I'm not a fan of five.

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:36.479
<v Speaker 2>I will play from 433. Whatever happens within the 433

0:53:36.489 --> 0:53:40.388
<v Speaker 2>is a possibility. I said done by you or done by, by,

0:53:40.399 --> 0:53:41.310
<v Speaker 2>by my decisions.

0:53:42.379 --> 0:53:45.649
<v Speaker 2>And, uh we started to work and I tried to,

0:53:45.659 --> 0:53:47.689
<v Speaker 2>to implement all the things we were doing in the

0:53:47.699 --> 0:53:51.750
<v Speaker 2>academy from, from the team sessions to align training sessions

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:55.739
<v Speaker 2>to work individually and, and to do more or less

0:53:55.750 --> 0:53:58.739
<v Speaker 2>in the com combination with uh you sign on the

0:53:58.750 --> 0:54:01.250
<v Speaker 2>physical coach to make sure that the team would be

0:54:01.260 --> 0:54:02.729
<v Speaker 2>ready for when the coach was coming

0:54:03.610 --> 0:54:06.270
<v Speaker 2>and you won the Super Cup. We, we, well, the

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 2>most important thing for me was that we changed the

0:54:09.610 --> 0:54:13.250
<v Speaker 2>style of football within one month because we, we try

0:54:13.260 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 2>to press, we tried to play higher and we

0:54:16.530 --> 0:54:20.409
<v Speaker 1>tried to, even though it was a champion team. Yes,

0:54:20.959 --> 0:54:24.299
<v Speaker 2>but it was also a team that played more from

0:54:24.310 --> 0:54:28.908
<v Speaker 2>defense than, than from dominating with uh with attacking football

0:54:28.919 --> 0:54:29.790
<v Speaker 2>or with high press.

0:54:30.479 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 2>So this is something that we did in the academy

0:54:33.050 --> 0:54:35.050
<v Speaker 2>and what I wanted to try to do in the

0:54:35.060 --> 0:54:37.580
<v Speaker 2>first day, that was the intention, it was not the

0:54:37.590 --> 0:54:38.540
<v Speaker 2>intention to

0:54:39.350 --> 0:54:41.899
<v Speaker 2>stay the head coach for a longer period because otherwise

0:54:41.909 --> 0:54:44.949
<v Speaker 2>they could have made the decision directly, more or less

0:54:44.959 --> 0:54:45.149
<v Speaker 2>you

0:54:45.159 --> 0:54:48.158
<v Speaker 1>knew from the get go that eventually there will be

0:54:48.169 --> 0:54:48.229
<v Speaker 1>a

0:54:48.379 --> 0:54:51.149
<v Speaker 2>because I was involved in, in in the, in the

0:54:51.159 --> 0:54:58.388
<v Speaker 2>interviews with, with different, no, you cannot say this. No

0:54:58.399 --> 0:55:02.840
<v Speaker 2>because at the end, Barack and I spoke with the,

0:55:02.850 --> 0:55:04.800
<v Speaker 2>with the candidates and at the end it's

0:55:05.219 --> 0:55:08.259
<v Speaker 2>is the owner and this representative to

0:55:08.270 --> 0:55:09.489
<v Speaker 1>give a good on,

0:55:10.179 --> 0:55:14.799
<v Speaker 2>we checked, let's say the things B and I agreed

0:55:14.810 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 2>on football needs to come from 433. We want to

0:55:17.610 --> 0:55:20.659
<v Speaker 2>play an attacking style of football. We want to implement

0:55:20.669 --> 0:55:22.399
<v Speaker 2>younger players was much, much

0:55:22.409 --> 0:55:25.129
<v Speaker 1>more fit to ma than what I can

0:55:25.139 --> 0:55:28.330
<v Speaker 2>say. So this, this was our intention and we spoke

0:55:28.340 --> 0:55:30.320
<v Speaker 2>with different ones and at the end,

0:55:31.110 --> 0:55:33.719
<v Speaker 2>people need to enjoy to take the decision about you.

0:55:33.739 --> 0:55:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Enjoy the three months. No, no what we do. I

0:55:36.689 --> 0:55:38.590
<v Speaker 1>want to ask you if you enjoy to be a

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:40.750
<v Speaker 1>coach of the first team more than to be in

0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:42.129
<v Speaker 1>control of the art academy.

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:46.719
<v Speaker 2>What let's say at, at after a few years. No,

0:55:46.729 --> 0:55:49.939
<v Speaker 2>it's not about what you prefer. After a few years

0:55:49.949 --> 0:55:52.810
<v Speaker 2>being an academy director, you want also to develop and

0:55:52.820 --> 0:55:55.859
<v Speaker 2>make your next step. That step for me was to

0:55:55.870 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 2>be together with Barack and to mentor Barack also a

0:55:58.610 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 2>little bit and ok, this is the way you develop

0:56:01.570 --> 0:56:05.419
<v Speaker 2>players or you develop coaches and um and to make

0:56:05.429 --> 0:56:08.659
<v Speaker 2>sure that we, we grow the club further and also

0:56:08.669 --> 0:56:11.379
<v Speaker 2>to bring more the the academy and closer

0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:15.209
<v Speaker 2>to uh to the first day. And this was something

0:56:15.219 --> 0:56:18.569
<v Speaker 2>that was interesting for me without, right, because then you

0:56:18.580 --> 0:56:20.780
<v Speaker 2>have to think about the next step for me would

0:56:20.790 --> 0:56:23.800
<v Speaker 2>be or to be sport director. And, and I never

0:56:23.810 --> 0:56:26.759
<v Speaker 2>closed the door because I took the, the pro license

0:56:26.770 --> 0:56:27.429
<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine

0:56:28.139 --> 0:56:32.320
<v Speaker 2>in 2009 with the intention to help the club to

0:56:32.330 --> 0:56:35.989
<v Speaker 2>get a better evaluation as an academy. But also for

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:38.669
<v Speaker 2>me to take the opportunity that if somebody opens the

0:56:38.679 --> 0:56:41.159
<v Speaker 2>door to evaluate if it's possible

0:56:41.449 --> 0:56:42.120
<v Speaker 1>and, and

0:56:42.750 --> 0:56:45.780
<v Speaker 1>Donny started the season, he did well on Europe. Uh

0:56:45.790 --> 0:56:50.090
<v Speaker 1>Then the league started, it was a mess. We saw it.

0:56:50.100 --> 0:56:50.489
<v Speaker 1>Uh

0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:53.780
<v Speaker 1>Even though the result in the beginning was a little

0:56:53.790 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 1>bit shaky. We saw that it is not like something

0:56:57.010 --> 0:56:59.639
<v Speaker 1>that uh we didn't see a pat of football from,

0:56:59.649 --> 0:57:03.010
<v Speaker 1>from Donny. So he, he got dismissed and you got

0:57:03.020 --> 0:57:05.469
<v Speaker 1>the job. But I want to ask you about because

0:57:05.479 --> 0:57:08.570
<v Speaker 1>you haven't comment on that. I think since you left

0:57:08.750 --> 0:57:11.429
<v Speaker 1>Maccabi Tel Aviv, when Donny left Maccabi Tel Aviv, he

0:57:11.439 --> 0:57:14.310
<v Speaker 1>said on an interview that he felt that you and

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Barack are pushing him outside of the club. So you

0:57:17.050 --> 0:57:18.540
<v Speaker 1>will take the job as the head coach.

0:57:19.129 --> 0:57:21.179
<v Speaker 1>That was an interview that he gave to Ye Tuchman

0:57:21.189 --> 0:57:26.209
<v Speaker 1>at that time. Um I want to hear your version

0:57:26.219 --> 0:57:28.030
<v Speaker 1>to that uh to that story.

0:57:29.389 --> 0:57:29.860
<v Speaker 2>Um

0:57:30.929 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 2>No, uh we at that time because let's say we

0:57:35.090 --> 0:57:38.929
<v Speaker 2>were part of the search for, for a candidate. Uh We,

0:57:38.939 --> 0:57:41.290
<v Speaker 2>we gave it to the management. And after that, our

0:57:41.300 --> 0:57:44.550
<v Speaker 2>job was to, to assist him in getting the best

0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:48.330
<v Speaker 2>opportunity and so on because my, my job was not

0:57:49.479 --> 0:57:52.649
<v Speaker 2>to follow the first team in all activities. That was

0:57:52.659 --> 0:57:56.860
<v Speaker 2>Bak's part in, let's say, in the football department that

0:57:56.870 --> 0:57:58.179
<v Speaker 2>Maccabi Tel Aviv created.

0:57:58.959 --> 0:58:02.010
<v Speaker 2>So we were together at some moments, we were evaluating

0:58:02.020 --> 0:58:04.979
<v Speaker 2>our situation. What we wanted. Are we going in the direction?

0:58:05.639 --> 0:58:09.659
<v Speaker 2>Uh Simple thing, are we playing 4, 33 or 532?

0:58:09.669 --> 0:58:12.219
<v Speaker 2>So these are the things that you, that you evaluate,

0:58:12.229 --> 0:58:15.020
<v Speaker 2>which is not done by, by us. And

0:58:15.679 --> 0:58:18.780
<v Speaker 2>as I said before, uh to start the season, as

0:58:18.790 --> 0:58:21.250
<v Speaker 2>a coach was for me an opportunity to show the

0:58:21.260 --> 0:58:24.530
<v Speaker 2>academy coaches if you ever come to a first team

0:58:24.540 --> 0:58:25.780
<v Speaker 2>or you get an opportunity,

0:58:26.729 --> 0:58:29.310
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter what you do, you can do the same.

0:58:29.330 --> 0:58:31.709
<v Speaker 2>It is how you bring it and how you explain it.

0:58:32.489 --> 0:58:36.669
<v Speaker 2>Um So in that period, we just shared our opinion

0:58:36.679 --> 0:58:39.820
<v Speaker 2>also with, with him but was close to the players.

0:58:39.830 --> 0:58:42.899
<v Speaker 2>He came from that group so he could share the

0:58:42.909 --> 0:58:46.149
<v Speaker 2>feeling of, of players with, uh with the coach and,

0:58:46.610 --> 0:58:49.370
<v Speaker 2>and this, this is merely what we did so

0:58:49.550 --> 0:58:51.979
<v Speaker 1>interpreted it like you are trying to push him out

0:58:52.199 --> 0:58:53.979
<v Speaker 1>when you, when you told him the players

0:58:55.179 --> 0:58:58.669
<v Speaker 2>put himself out, I think. Well, what you say is

0:58:58.679 --> 0:58:59.899
<v Speaker 2>correct is, is

0:59:00.820 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 2>international campaign, let's say was good.

0:59:05.449 --> 0:59:09.750
<v Speaker 2>And um but it didn't match with the, with the league.

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:13.310
<v Speaker 2>Um And it is luck in the, in the COVID

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:16.370
<v Speaker 2>period was only one game each round. So you make

0:59:16.379 --> 0:59:19.909
<v Speaker 2>quicker success if you draw until the, if you make

0:59:19.919 --> 0:59:22.639
<v Speaker 2>a good draw. Yeah, then, uh so yeah,

0:59:23.870 --> 0:59:26.320
<v Speaker 1>so you took the job, you won the cup. Is

0:59:26.330 --> 0:59:27.949
<v Speaker 1>this the best moment for you as a coach, the

0:59:27.959 --> 0:59:28.850
<v Speaker 1>cup or not?

0:59:29.020 --> 0:59:32.889
<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I, I must say that the best

0:59:33.739 --> 0:59:37.949
<v Speaker 2>feeling from, from that period was the winning of the

0:59:37.959 --> 0:59:41.080
<v Speaker 2>games and the winning of the games with different lineups

0:59:41.409 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 2>because more or less if, if candle played or Geralda,

0:59:45.300 --> 0:59:49.010
<v Speaker 2>it was no different. David Zada or Sabo it and

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<v Speaker 2>this was more or less, uh

0:59:52.659 --> 0:59:56.659
<v Speaker 2>coming from the, from the tight schedule 34 days. And

0:59:56.669 --> 1:00:00.000
<v Speaker 2>at that time, the group was with the right quality

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<v Speaker 2>of being able to still play at a high level

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<v Speaker 2>with different types of players.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the biggest pleasure because there you could

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<v Speaker 2>see that working every day with the team, uh and

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<v Speaker 2>players more or less flipping the coin. Will I play

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow or not? On a Friday

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<v Speaker 2>was giving a lot of motivation and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>good feeling within the team that everybody was part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 1>must say something. It's interesting that you are saying this

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<v Speaker 1>because also when you was like on the academy for you,

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<v Speaker 1>there is never like 1st 1st 11 and that's it always,

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<v Speaker 1>you really care about also the other players

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<v Speaker 1>and then there is no not substitution players in the

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<v Speaker 1>first team. You, you take care of it. Like for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone you want to play in you, you didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to lose anyone

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<v Speaker 2>on the youth academy. I think up to uh to

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<v Speaker 2>under 17, you cannot demand every week to play with

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<v Speaker 2>the same 11 years, I think. Yes, under 17. Um

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it from 16 years old, you can

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<v Speaker 2>make your debut in the first team. There are players

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<v Speaker 2>that could be ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Ok? In Israel, I think it's less than in Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>but you should be ready. So there a coach has

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more opportunity to play the 1st 11

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<v Speaker 2>and more often, but still substitutions have to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember at my discussions with at that time

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<v Speaker 2>or about a player of a central defender, tall guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You have youth players that

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<v Speaker 2>if you are close to 2 m and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to play against 1 m, 50 players, sometimes you can

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<v Speaker 2>look bad. But if you play against 181 190 you

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<v Speaker 2>look good.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to uh to show or that the

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<v Speaker 2>players should have more uh more opportunity to play.

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<v Speaker 2>And he looked at me. I said, ok, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe me. Ok, send them to me. So that was

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<v Speaker 2>on the 19th to first off as soon he made

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<v Speaker 2>his debut in the whole group of total, uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>total cup.

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<v Speaker 2>And I showed him and I spoke with him after

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<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, you have to trust more in, in

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<v Speaker 2>qualities of players and sometimes to look beyond what you

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<v Speaker 2>see on the field, you have to look at the

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<v Speaker 2>qualities

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<v Speaker 2>and, uh, these are sometimes moments for coaches to, to understand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to trust one player more or I have

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<v Speaker 2>to trust my team more, um,

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<v Speaker 2>to, to, to that they are able to deliver a

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<v Speaker 2>higher quality because playing, let's say young in, in by

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<v Speaker 2>the Tel Aviv or playing with under 19 against second division,

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<v Speaker 2>with under 17 against the under 19 is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the development and part of the trust that the coach

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<v Speaker 2>gets in his players.

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<v Speaker 1>I will take you now for the summer of, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>after the winning the cup,

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<v Speaker 1>you got the appointment as the, as the head coach regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>not as an intern.

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<v Speaker 1>And, uh, it was after a good finish to the

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<v Speaker 1>season even though it ended without the championship. But the

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<v Speaker 1>gap was bigger when you came.

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<v Speaker 1>Um, and

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<v Speaker 1>you spoke about the Twitter before I got at that summer,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of feedback from players inside of a dressing

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<v Speaker 1>room saying like waving some red flags that this won't

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<v Speaker 1>work that if Patrick stays the head coach, we will

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<v Speaker 1>not succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>And most of the complaint wasn't about your football style

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. It was on the personal level.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them felt that you are treating them as

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<v Speaker 1>they are still in the youth in terms of maybe

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<v Speaker 1>being too stiff with them. Uh Maybe, maybe, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know something about the dynamic group wasn't working

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<v Speaker 1>and they raised that red flag very on before even

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<v Speaker 1>training camp. It resulted at the end by, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. Uh The team didn't succeed many things. It

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<v Speaker 1>was because of the, the, the poor situation in the,

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<v Speaker 1>in the dressing room.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was the one writing a lot about it

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<v Speaker 1>uh as you know, uh and we didn't have, I

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<v Speaker 1>think even once your reaction to that, your comments to that. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, um

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<v Speaker 2>um let's say like that, I think uh uh a

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<v Speaker 2>player of a professional team is, is paid to play

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<v Speaker 2>football

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<v Speaker 2>and part of a top club means also that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to do what is asked,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that players are part of a team but

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<v Speaker 2>also have to show their qualities.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that the players without asking who were

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<v Speaker 2>players that are playing less.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh because this is the way this is the way

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<v Speaker 2>you get your information. It's not from the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are playing because the, the these are the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>get the attention and more or less deserve the attention

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<v Speaker 2>and deserve to play.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned the name of your uh colleague, journalist. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>um He told me once that for you guys, it's

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<v Speaker 2>only our festival festival of ban that is giving you

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<v Speaker 2>the information. So I know that it will come and

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<v Speaker 2>I know from which players it will be and uh

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<v Speaker 2>for me or not to speak to them or to

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<v Speaker 2>being stiff or it's for me, it's, it's a reason

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<v Speaker 2>that um

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot do a lot with because they don't come

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<v Speaker 2>to me so to speak after

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<v Speaker 2>is, is, is for me not polite or it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>help me to comment on players. It doesn't help me

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<v Speaker 2>because uh I I will not change the player and

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<v Speaker 2>the player will not change me. And that I'm uh

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<v Speaker 2>how to say it

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<v Speaker 2>strong or demanding or, or strong in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so that I'm that strong that that

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<v Speaker 2>players cannot perform. I think a player needs to look

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<v Speaker 2>at himself. Do I give everything that I can? And

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<v Speaker 2>that is something that uh

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<v Speaker 1>no, but there were other players that did spoke by

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<v Speaker 1>their name. One of them was Tim.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that you were doing him wrong and you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't respect him and that you froze him and

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<v Speaker 2>listen, I think that uh you mentioned a player that

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<v Speaker 2>that should be lucky that I keep quiet. Why is that? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let me stay quiet because I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that um

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<v Speaker 2>let's say he could,

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<v Speaker 2>we pushed him in certain situations because you want more

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<v Speaker 2>out of a player. And I think he grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in a generation that they decided what to do on

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<v Speaker 2>the field. And I'm not from that generation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you have a responsibility and uh pushing

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<v Speaker 2>a player to be in a position to score, I

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<v Speaker 2>think should benefit him. And this was more or less

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<v Speaker 2>situations where uh you need to push players

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not there to, to be friendly, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>And this and mentioning this name, yeah, I, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing to say to it. It says all by

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<v Speaker 2>itself the point of, of his career

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<v Speaker 1>in your eyes. What were the reasons for you not

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<v Speaker 1>succeeding at the following season after, after the first six months?

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<v Speaker 1>Um you were at the end of the day, 10

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<v Speaker 1>months overall in, in that job, six of them was

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<v Speaker 1>really good. The next four months wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And this, I don't agree with you. I will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you why. I don't agree. First of all, we were

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<v Speaker 2>successful in Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>uh still doing a lot of good things

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<v Speaker 2>pushing. Um

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that the team

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<v Speaker 2>was, let's say ready to perform that well, on both levels.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that a lot of clubs and owners

1:08:07.580 --> 1:08:12.229
<v Speaker 2>decide too quickly if something is not going well,

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<v Speaker 2>having the experience myself as a coach by taking the

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<v Speaker 2>team in a, in a position that was not leading,

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<v Speaker 2>but bringing it back

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<v Speaker 2>and, and still regretting not to take the championship also

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<v Speaker 2>because that was still possible, but we lost it in

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<v Speaker 2>the game in Kona where we got the red card

1:08:30.529 --> 1:08:33.549
<v Speaker 2>and we lost the game. If we didn't get the

1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:36.000
<v Speaker 2>red card with TB, we finished the game, we win

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<v Speaker 2>the game, we would still be on, on the way

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<v Speaker 2>to have, let's say the double. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think that a little bit more time

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<v Speaker 2>in correcting, um,

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<v Speaker 2>correcting the situation in the league

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<v Speaker 2>would have been, would have been the best

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<v Speaker 2>because this, this is what, what I believe in and

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<v Speaker 2>which is what I think would be possible.

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<v Speaker 1>But you haven't that the atmosphere surrounding is not the

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<v Speaker 1>one that you can,

1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:08.899
<v Speaker 2>you have. Uh this is what at that time we

1:09:08.910 --> 1:09:11.939
<v Speaker 2>spoke about, we had, let's say one month until the

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<v Speaker 2>next window to clean up.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh

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<v Speaker 1>so that was your plan

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<v Speaker 2>if that was the, the thought and uh, ok, any

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<v Speaker 2>player that didn't perform or felt that he needed to

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<v Speaker 2>move out, you had an opportunity to, to let's say

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<v Speaker 2>refresh the group. Um

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that that uh a little bit more time,

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks more would have been easy because if

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<v Speaker 2>I look at facts,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the coach that finished the season,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was on the second position with, uh

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<v Speaker 2>with one point more or one point less finished up.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when I went out, you understand? So this,

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<v Speaker 2>these are things that I must

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<v Speaker 1>say that uh you lost against Macabe natanya in Natanya Stadium.

1:10:03.779 --> 1:10:07.990
<v Speaker 1>And uh I was there and when I saw Barack

1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and Shaon leaving from the stadium, I saw the faces,

1:10:12.279 --> 1:10:15.269
<v Speaker 1>it was clear for me that uh it, it will

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<v Speaker 1>come to an end now that they will not wait

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<v Speaker 1>until uh January.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that, in that discussion with them,

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<v Speaker 2>did you

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<v Speaker 1>expect you to do different? I don't know.

1:10:27.939 --> 1:10:30.709
<v Speaker 2>No, I, I don't know what at that time these

1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:33.799
<v Speaker 2>two persons could have told me to do differently, one

1:10:33.810 --> 1:10:38.490
<v Speaker 2>without any football background and one just starting from, let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>changing his point of view as a player to, to

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<v Speaker 2>a manager.

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<v Speaker 2>Um Well, we, that game, we, we lost, we should

1:10:47.270 --> 1:10:50.430
<v Speaker 2>have scored 234 goals in the first half. We, we

1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:52.938
<v Speaker 2>outplayed them, we didn't score enough. We catch,

1:10:53.629 --> 1:10:56.818
<v Speaker 2>go in the second half and, and uh natanya with

1:10:56.830 --> 1:10:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the fans, get the enthusiasm into the team and uh

1:10:59.209 --> 1:11:04.019
<v Speaker 2>you totally lose control and that is something that, uh

1:11:04.029 --> 1:11:07.700
<v Speaker 2>of course, it cannot happen, it will happen in, in

1:11:07.709 --> 1:11:11.930
<v Speaker 2>any coaching career. But at that time, you, you should

1:11:11.939 --> 1:11:14.660
<v Speaker 2>have finished the game already in the first half.

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<v Speaker 1>So you didn't get any feedback from Barack telling you, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>let's try to do something else and, and bring back

1:11:22.569 --> 1:11:26.450
<v Speaker 1>this team together. It wasn't any discussion regarding that

1:11:27.129 --> 1:11:27.870
<v Speaker 1>at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't remember any discussion that, that, that would

1:11:32.799 --> 1:11:33.979
<v Speaker 2>lead to,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say a situation of not being able to work

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<v Speaker 2>together anymore. No,

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<v Speaker 1>let's speak about uh in Zoya. Um How do you

1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:48.108
<v Speaker 1>sum up your time in, in Ukraine? Totally.

1:11:48.870 --> 1:11:49.410
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:11:50.529 --> 1:11:55.379
<v Speaker 2>after, after Maccabi, uh we, we, I had some time

1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:58.700
<v Speaker 2>I saw a lot of, let's say good contacts in,

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh Ukraine is like our country where you still can

1:12:03.740 --> 1:12:08.019
<v Speaker 2>develop football and, and teams, a country that started because

1:12:08.029 --> 1:12:11.490
<v Speaker 2>of the war and the total football situation changed. All

1:12:11.500 --> 1:12:15.779
<v Speaker 2>foreigners left a lot of clubs uh having to, to

1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:22.450
<v Speaker 2>use academy players or or 1st 1st division players or

1:12:22.459 --> 1:12:25.500
<v Speaker 2>second division players to create teams to still participate.

1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:27.140
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:12:28.240 --> 1:12:31.930
<v Speaker 2>Zoya opportunity came at the moment that there was some

1:12:31.939 --> 1:12:33.790
<v Speaker 2>interest from other club, but it was the most

1:12:34.430 --> 1:12:37.629
<v Speaker 2>concrete one and the one where I knew the club

1:12:37.640 --> 1:12:40.169
<v Speaker 2>as being a club that always wanted to or was

1:12:40.180 --> 1:12:43.009
<v Speaker 2>able to play in, in Europe at that time, they

1:12:43.020 --> 1:12:45.890
<v Speaker 2>also had difficulties making the team.

1:12:46.830 --> 1:12:50.200
<v Speaker 2>So we started with a lot of young players, a

1:12:50.220 --> 1:12:53.209
<v Speaker 2>lot of players that let's say played in the previous seasons,

1:12:53.220 --> 1:12:56.540
<v Speaker 2>8 to 10 games, maybe in other clubs, but had

1:12:56.549 --> 1:12:59.250
<v Speaker 2>the talent coming over from the Namo Kev Academy or

1:12:59.259 --> 1:13:00.399
<v Speaker 2>from Shaktar Academy.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was an interesting uh start. I also there,

1:13:04.910 --> 1:13:06.890
<v Speaker 2>it was a little bit like I had one month

1:13:06.899 --> 1:13:09.609
<v Speaker 2>to prepare them for the qualification for uh

1:13:10.589 --> 1:13:15.979
<v Speaker 2>for Europe and like like similar style of working as

1:13:15.990 --> 1:13:18.339
<v Speaker 2>the one month in, in Macabe to do it. We

1:13:18.350 --> 1:13:20.148
<v Speaker 2>need to change the style quick. We need to make

1:13:20.160 --> 1:13:23.349
<v Speaker 2>it a team of, of a group of players that

1:13:24.200 --> 1:13:26.959
<v Speaker 2>never play together or come from the under 19 or

1:13:26.970 --> 1:13:28.100
<v Speaker 2>come from reserve teams

1:13:29.379 --> 1:13:34.769
<v Speaker 2>and that, that connected and like uh some, some difficulties in,

1:13:34.779 --> 1:13:37.330
<v Speaker 2>in scoring goals, in creating a lot of opportunities

1:13:38.109 --> 1:13:40.040
<v Speaker 2>that didn't work out in the, in the, in the

1:13:40.049 --> 1:13:42.890
<v Speaker 2>first part of the season. And we were,

1:13:43.939 --> 1:13:46.919
<v Speaker 2>let's say on the run of maybe going into the

1:13:46.930 --> 1:13:50.639
<v Speaker 2>winter break for the first position, but making two draws

1:13:50.649 --> 1:13:52.680
<v Speaker 2>brings us back to the third position.

1:13:53.819 --> 1:13:56.358
<v Speaker 2>But going into the winter break with a lot of

1:13:56.669 --> 1:14:01.810
<v Speaker 2>positive feelings like if we can connect, let's say our

1:14:01.819 --> 1:14:06.479
<v Speaker 2>defense a little bit better to not giving uh goals away.

1:14:06.589 --> 1:14:10.209
<v Speaker 2>We have an opportunity to score more goals and, and to,

1:14:10.220 --> 1:14:11.729
<v Speaker 2>to get back to stay in the race

1:14:13.450 --> 1:14:17.830
<v Speaker 2>worked out well. We did the preseason, we had some

1:14:17.839 --> 1:14:21.100
<v Speaker 2>difficulties in the second preseason by having

1:14:21.799 --> 1:14:24.609
<v Speaker 2>an incident on the training field of a player receiving

1:14:24.620 --> 1:14:27.720
<v Speaker 2>a heart attack. So more or less all the positive

1:14:27.729 --> 1:14:30.189
<v Speaker 2>that you were building drops a little bit. A lot

1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:33.568
<v Speaker 2>of team feeling came inside because of this incident.

1:14:34.399 --> 1:14:35.740
<v Speaker 2>We start the leak

1:14:36.529 --> 1:14:39.640
<v Speaker 2>at that time. We also brought Eduardo Guerrero so we

1:14:39.649 --> 1:14:42.370
<v Speaker 2>knew that the strike that we were missing. We, we

1:14:42.379 --> 1:14:43.200
<v Speaker 2>would have now

1:14:44.200 --> 1:14:47.740
<v Speaker 2>um you came, I think four days before the start

1:14:47.750 --> 1:14:49.580
<v Speaker 2>of the first game.

1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:53.609
<v Speaker 2>Um We start the game, we are 20 down after

1:14:53.620 --> 1:14:55.620
<v Speaker 2>20 minutes. We come at the half time.

1:14:56.549 --> 1:15:00.540
<v Speaker 2>We go and we speak a little bit direct to

1:15:00.549 --> 1:15:03.069
<v Speaker 2>the players that everything we did and what we showed

1:15:03.080 --> 1:15:04.870
<v Speaker 2>in the first part of the season we need to do.

1:15:04.879 --> 1:15:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Now

1:15:06.240 --> 1:15:10.740
<v Speaker 2>we get back into the game assist of Eduardo 2122

1:15:11.250 --> 1:15:14.379
<v Speaker 2>and we make 32 before the end of the game

1:15:15.330 --> 1:15:19.129
<v Speaker 2>and we start also there a very positive run. We

1:15:19.140 --> 1:15:21.169
<v Speaker 2>had 15 games in the second part of the season

1:15:21.180 --> 1:15:25.769
<v Speaker 2>with only two losses. So we secured the third position

1:15:25.779 --> 1:15:28.810
<v Speaker 2>making it possible for Zoya to even participate in the

1:15:28.819 --> 1:15:31.330
<v Speaker 2>Europa League. And um

1:15:32.379 --> 1:15:34.359
<v Speaker 2>and if they would lose, they would be automatically in

1:15:34.370 --> 1:15:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the group stage of conference. So that was a good

1:15:36.729 --> 1:15:40.560
<v Speaker 2>position for the club with at that time, an extra

1:15:40.569 --> 1:15:42.939
<v Speaker 2>income from UEFA would be welcome in the, in the

1:15:42.950 --> 1:15:43.709
<v Speaker 2>time of war.

1:15:44.669 --> 1:15:45.139
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:15:46.299 --> 1:15:50.180
<v Speaker 2>I went with the intention to do well knowing that

1:15:50.189 --> 1:15:52.959
<v Speaker 2>the club would do well or give me the opportunity

1:15:52.970 --> 1:15:55.599
<v Speaker 2>to do well to see if I maybe can make

1:15:56.589 --> 1:15:59.709
<v Speaker 2>the other clubs interested in uh in me as a,

1:15:59.720 --> 1:16:03.470
<v Speaker 2>as a coach. We did well, there was some interest and,

1:16:03.479 --> 1:16:03.750
<v Speaker 2>and

1:16:04.569 --> 1:16:08.240
<v Speaker 2>at the end, Shaktar asked if, if, if I was,

1:16:08.250 --> 1:16:10.459
<v Speaker 2>was interested, a new, a new one

1:16:10.470 --> 1:16:12.330
<v Speaker 1>for before we need to say that

1:16:12.339 --> 1:16:15.490
<v Speaker 2>I worked for Shakta before. So I was an older

1:16:15.500 --> 1:16:16.790
<v Speaker 2>period that I was not

1:16:17.410 --> 1:16:18.770
<v Speaker 1>at, but they knew you.

1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:21.450
<v Speaker 2>The new Patrick. Yes. The head coach Patrick,

1:16:22.669 --> 1:16:23.319
<v Speaker 1>the old Patrick,

1:16:23.419 --> 1:16:27.359
<v Speaker 2>not the, not the old Patrick. Yeah. So, um yeah, from,

1:16:27.370 --> 1:16:31.919
<v Speaker 2>from one company to another Shaktar knowing Shakta from, let's

1:16:31.930 --> 1:16:35.129
<v Speaker 2>say the good period because also they had to make

1:16:35.140 --> 1:16:36.830
<v Speaker 2>a lot of changes because of the war. A lot

1:16:36.839 --> 1:16:38.660
<v Speaker 2>of talented Brazilians left

1:16:39.419 --> 1:16:43.439
<v Speaker 2>used the UEFA ruling to get out and they also

1:16:43.450 --> 1:16:44.879
<v Speaker 2>needed to start a new

1:16:45.950 --> 1:16:51.009
<v Speaker 2>with the younger team, younger Ukrainians, talented Ukrainians after they

1:16:51.020 --> 1:16:52.600
<v Speaker 2>became champion. Also, they,

1:16:53.509 --> 1:16:56.430
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to change the style of football still to

1:16:56.439 --> 1:17:00.109
<v Speaker 2>continue with bringing in younger players and also younger players

1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:01.450
<v Speaker 2>from scouting to. Uh

1:17:03.299 --> 1:17:04.830
<v Speaker 2>so we started on the job

1:17:05.899 --> 1:17:10.339
<v Speaker 2>training camp in Holland the first two weeks because of the,

1:17:10.350 --> 1:17:12.549
<v Speaker 2>the under 21 championship and uh

1:17:13.359 --> 1:17:17.979
<v Speaker 2>qualification games for the main national team. Uh After two weeks,

1:17:17.990 --> 1:17:20.849
<v Speaker 2>I had only the, the full group which was more

1:17:20.859 --> 1:17:22.500
<v Speaker 2>or less one week before the start of the league

1:17:22.509 --> 1:17:25.919
<v Speaker 2>because there was only a three week preparation until the

1:17:25.930 --> 1:17:27.810
<v Speaker 2>first official game in the in the league.

1:17:28.580 --> 1:17:29.049
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:17:30.310 --> 1:17:33.089
<v Speaker 2>They're also, and like we discussed

1:17:33.709 --> 1:17:38.000
<v Speaker 2>about Mugabe, OK, some crest changing the style, bringing in

1:17:38.009 --> 1:17:38.680
<v Speaker 2>some players

1:17:39.399 --> 1:17:41.979
<v Speaker 2>also there. I started with OK guys, this is the

1:17:41.990 --> 1:17:45.858
<v Speaker 2>way I want to play and we have enough quality to,

1:17:45.870 --> 1:17:49.410
<v Speaker 2>to bring it to dominate the 19 game 90 minutes

1:17:49.419 --> 1:17:52.319
<v Speaker 2>in the game, in attacking or defending. But we need

1:17:52.330 --> 1:17:55.740
<v Speaker 2>to deliver quality from that point of view. I also

1:17:55.750 --> 1:17:59.060
<v Speaker 2>train because I want everybody to be fit enough to,

1:17:59.069 --> 1:18:00.339
<v Speaker 2>to be dominating

1:18:01.020 --> 1:18:02.839
<v Speaker 2>the game and also in the

1:18:04.109 --> 1:18:07.439
<v Speaker 2>in, in Europe because yeah, Champions League is a different story.

1:18:08.580 --> 1:18:11.439
<v Speaker 2>We start, ok. In the league, we take some points,

1:18:11.450 --> 1:18:13.700
<v Speaker 2>we dominate parts of the game, but we are not

1:18:14.149 --> 1:18:16.559
<v Speaker 2>how to say dominating the 90 minutes as I would

1:18:16.569 --> 1:18:17.278
<v Speaker 2>like to see

1:18:17.910 --> 1:18:21.959
<v Speaker 2>had some injuries in preseason of, of players that, that

1:18:21.970 --> 1:18:24.450
<v Speaker 2>are important for the team. They are young, but they

1:18:24.459 --> 1:18:26.689
<v Speaker 2>already had some seasons in professional football.

1:18:27.790 --> 1:18:32.509
<v Speaker 2>Um Some of the transfers didn't work out as we planned.

1:18:32.520 --> 1:18:35.649
<v Speaker 2>So a different quality of players came younger.

1:18:36.529 --> 1:18:37.109
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:18:38.339 --> 1:18:41.430
<v Speaker 2>Some of them came also coming also from a different background.

1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:42.779
<v Speaker 2>So a different training background.

1:18:43.649 --> 1:18:47.310
<v Speaker 2>Um So yeah, there were some difficulties but we took

1:18:47.319 --> 1:18:50.149
<v Speaker 2>our points. We were, let's say in the first position

1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:53.220
<v Speaker 2>of the league still we lost already. Let's say some

1:18:53.229 --> 1:18:57.229
<v Speaker 2>points that we shouldn't have lost. Um starting the Champions

1:18:57.240 --> 1:18:57.528
<v Speaker 2>League

1:18:58.339 --> 1:19:00.080
<v Speaker 2>in the League from the, from the

1:19:00.870 --> 1:19:05.419
<v Speaker 2>first position, the first Champions League game against Porto, uh

1:19:05.430 --> 1:19:09.099
<v Speaker 2>not in Ukraine but playing the games in, in Hamburg,

1:19:09.109 --> 1:19:12.930
<v Speaker 2>in Germany. So meaning that the traveling for every game

1:19:12.939 --> 1:19:13.720
<v Speaker 2>continues

1:19:14.589 --> 1:19:15.140
<v Speaker 2>um

1:19:16.020 --> 1:19:18.528
<v Speaker 2>very good team to play. So as a coach, you

1:19:18.540 --> 1:19:20.160
<v Speaker 2>try to eliminate

1:19:20.890 --> 1:19:22.790
<v Speaker 2>as much as possible, the

1:19:24.029 --> 1:19:27.569
<v Speaker 2>the the the good qualities of the team. We,

1:19:29.209 --> 1:19:31.839
<v Speaker 2>we lose the game but we showed some opportunities for

1:19:31.850 --> 1:19:34.680
<v Speaker 2>us to score on 11. We make two mistakes. We

1:19:34.689 --> 1:19:37.640
<v Speaker 2>give them an opportunity to score another two goals. And

1:19:37.649 --> 1:19:39.709
<v Speaker 2>in the second half, we had one or two chances

1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:40.950
<v Speaker 2>extra to score.

1:19:41.790 --> 1:19:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Um continuing in the league

1:19:44.709 --> 1:19:47.259
<v Speaker 2>come the second Champions League game against an,

1:19:49.890 --> 1:19:52.229
<v Speaker 2>we start, we start

1:19:52.879 --> 1:19:55.649
<v Speaker 2>bad in a way that we don't show the aggression

1:19:55.660 --> 1:19:56.879
<v Speaker 2>that we need it

1:19:57.500 --> 1:20:00.549
<v Speaker 2>at half time. You try to correct and to new

1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:02.290
<v Speaker 2>one and we in the 32

1:20:03.259 --> 1:20:05.370
<v Speaker 2>with a little bit luck because they get a penalty

1:20:05.379 --> 1:20:08.709
<v Speaker 2>in the 93rd minutes which uh they don't score. So

1:20:08.910 --> 1:20:11.169
<v Speaker 2>we take the first point in, in the group states

1:20:11.180 --> 1:20:13.779
<v Speaker 2>from two games and more or less after that. Uh

1:20:13.790 --> 1:20:16.839
<v Speaker 2>It starts in a way that uh

1:20:18.910 --> 1:20:19.689
<v Speaker 2>I get some,

1:20:21.819 --> 1:20:24.509
<v Speaker 2>I have my ideas of continuing of developing players go

1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:26.809
<v Speaker 2>to the national team after the and weapon game. Uh

1:20:26.819 --> 1:20:28.370
<v Speaker 2>The club was able to move

1:20:29.419 --> 1:20:33.100
<v Speaker 2>the league game to gain some extra rest. We have

1:20:33.109 --> 1:20:35.819
<v Speaker 2>a friendly game. I planned a friendly game for the

1:20:35.830 --> 1:20:38.470
<v Speaker 2>players that uh that are not part of the national team.

1:20:38.970 --> 1:20:41.709
<v Speaker 2>We play the game, we win, we have some difficulties

1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:43.959
<v Speaker 2>10 minutes in the beginning of it's a friendly game.

1:20:44.279 --> 1:20:48.568
<v Speaker 2>We end with uh seven players of the under 19

1:20:48.580 --> 1:20:50.799
<v Speaker 2>in the second half. So I think a good job

1:20:51.689 --> 1:20:55.469
<v Speaker 2>and the next day the general director called me. He said, listen,

1:20:55.479 --> 1:20:56.629
<v Speaker 2>the president didn't like

1:20:57.580 --> 1:21:01.120
<v Speaker 2>the friendly game. So, uh, but you want the friendly game,

1:21:01.609 --> 1:21:04.930
<v Speaker 2>but you have to understand that this is not the reason,

1:21:05.310 --> 1:21:08.279
<v Speaker 2>like in, in the way the team played or the

1:21:08.290 --> 1:21:09.769
<v Speaker 2>team performed, he

1:21:09.779 --> 1:21:11.200
<v Speaker 1>sacked you after a friendly game

1:21:11.299 --> 1:21:14.959
<v Speaker 2>more or less. Uh, this was, uh, this was the,

1:21:14.970 --> 1:21:18.068
<v Speaker 2>this was what usual, this is what, what they told

1:21:18.080 --> 1:21:18.680
<v Speaker 2>to me.

1:21:18.689 --> 1:21:20.430
<v Speaker 1>But what, what is the real reason in your eyes?

1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:22.669
<v Speaker 2>The real reason? Yeah,

1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:28.459
<v Speaker 2>I think I don't, I shouldn't share. But um, ok, this,

1:21:28.470 --> 1:21:31.959
<v Speaker 2>this ends and you start the season knowing that there

1:21:31.970 --> 1:21:35.769
<v Speaker 2>are more demands. You also start the season where you think, ok,

1:21:35.779 --> 1:21:37.299
<v Speaker 2>we need to build something together

1:21:37.990 --> 1:21:40.970
<v Speaker 2>and this is something that at the end wasn't

1:21:41.129 --> 1:21:43.899
<v Speaker 1>first place in the league when you got fired and

1:21:43.910 --> 1:21:44.970
<v Speaker 1>now they are not first place,

1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:49.410
<v Speaker 2>they are first now they, they had some games to

1:21:49.419 --> 1:21:50.140
<v Speaker 2>from this weekend.

1:21:50.149 --> 1:21:53.608
<v Speaker 1>They first maybe I think before they were second. Yeah. Ok.

1:21:54.399 --> 1:21:55.439
<v Speaker 2>So, um

1:21:58.229 --> 1:22:01.560
<v Speaker 2>and end of the story. So let's say a second

1:22:01.569 --> 1:22:02.209
<v Speaker 2>spell of

1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:05.830
<v Speaker 1>coach. It's not, it's not how good you are. There

1:22:05.839 --> 1:22:07.020
<v Speaker 1>is also one other things,

1:22:07.109 --> 1:22:10.049
<v Speaker 2>you have a lot of things in a club like that,

1:22:10.109 --> 1:22:13.720
<v Speaker 2>but that is around the team that is not directly

1:22:13.729 --> 1:22:14.740
<v Speaker 2>happening on the field

1:22:15.580 --> 1:22:19.209
<v Speaker 1>on a successful period when he left. Mabe. Mabe wasn't

1:22:19.220 --> 1:22:21.930
<v Speaker 1>reaching the goals that he should have been. That's different.

1:22:22.589 --> 1:22:25.919
<v Speaker 2>It's, it's, it's the same for me. It feels in the,

1:22:25.930 --> 1:22:28.669
<v Speaker 2>in the, in the same because more or less you

1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:32.250
<v Speaker 2>have to see through things. And if you're doing well, uh,

1:22:32.259 --> 1:22:35.520
<v Speaker 2>you're on the way, uh, in, in the point of

1:22:35.529 --> 1:22:39.938
<v Speaker 2>view of, let's say Macabe, the results in Europe, you

1:22:39.950 --> 1:22:42.259
<v Speaker 2>would be first or second. That was the, the direction

1:22:42.270 --> 1:22:44.830
<v Speaker 2>we were going in that group. And

1:22:46.149 --> 1:22:49.620
<v Speaker 2>in the league, I still think that the points

1:22:50.279 --> 1:22:52.330
<v Speaker 2>to overcome and to get back in the door top

1:22:52.430 --> 1:22:54.589
<v Speaker 2>as a Maccabi Tel Aviv, you always have because you

1:22:54.600 --> 1:22:55.910
<v Speaker 2>have a more quality group

1:22:56.640 --> 1:22:57.229
<v Speaker 2>um

1:22:58.100 --> 1:23:00.609
<v Speaker 2>in the way of uh of Shakhtar, I, I look

1:23:00.620 --> 1:23:03.540
<v Speaker 2>at it in a similar way, you're starting something

1:23:04.390 --> 1:23:07.100
<v Speaker 2>which uh will go with ups and downs. If you

1:23:07.109 --> 1:23:09.450
<v Speaker 2>need to change things, it will go with ups and downs.

1:23:09.549 --> 1:23:11.000
<v Speaker 2>If the things around it

1:23:11.700 --> 1:23:14.709
<v Speaker 2>are in the in the, let's say the noses are

1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:17.479
<v Speaker 2>in the same direction because we want to achieve the same,

1:23:17.729 --> 1:23:21.640
<v Speaker 2>then you will achieve it. As soon as somebody is interfering,

1:23:22.089 --> 1:23:24.109
<v Speaker 2>it becomes a different. Uh So

1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:27.359
<v Speaker 1>you have the next few months to yourself. Um What

1:23:27.370 --> 1:23:32.429
<v Speaker 1>is your next destination? What do you want to, to,

1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:35.990
<v Speaker 1>to find yourself now as a coach as academy sport? No,

1:23:36.000 --> 1:23:40.490
<v Speaker 2>II I am, let's say at the moment, still focusing

1:23:40.500 --> 1:23:44.160
<v Speaker 2>on continuing the, the coaching career, the head coach, there

1:23:44.169 --> 1:23:44.790
<v Speaker 2>are some

1:23:46.450 --> 1:23:50.709
<v Speaker 2>showing some interest. Now, as I said before, the contract

1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:54.049
<v Speaker 2>with the Shakta will officially end in, in one month.

1:23:54.609 --> 1:23:57.640
<v Speaker 2>So that gives all opportunities for me to, to continue

1:23:57.649 --> 1:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>anything that comes now that gives me similar circumstances. I, I,

1:24:02.390 --> 1:24:06.068
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to start. I spend my time wisely in,

1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:09.179
<v Speaker 2>in visiting clubs and watching training sessions and games

1:24:09.990 --> 1:24:13.729
<v Speaker 2>to uh to add some interesting things to your uh

1:24:13.740 --> 1:24:15.950
<v Speaker 2>personal philosophy in my case. Was

1:24:15.959 --> 1:24:19.189
<v Speaker 1>it correct that the last few months you got approaches

1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:20.419
<v Speaker 1>from Poti Aviv? And

1:24:22.100 --> 1:24:23.919
<v Speaker 2>I have no, no, no, no,

1:24:23.930 --> 1:24:26.459
<v Speaker 1>nothing. No. Ok. Uh What do you talk about the

1:24:26.470 --> 1:24:30.149
<v Speaker 1>decision of Barack to become a head coach of Beal?

1:24:31.529 --> 1:24:34.649
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that, uh, it's what he wants. So

1:24:34.660 --> 1:24:37.269
<v Speaker 2>I think that, uh, that he needs to start now.

1:24:38.169 --> 1:24:38.750
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:41.100
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah,

1:24:41.589 --> 1:24:45.759
<v Speaker 1>you felt it, you felt it when you, when you

1:24:45.770 --> 1:24:48.390
<v Speaker 1>were the coach of m, you felt that you want

1:24:48.399 --> 1:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>to be the coach something?

1:24:49.520 --> 1:24:52.950
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, not directly. No, we spoke about it.

1:24:52.959 --> 1:24:54.379
<v Speaker 2>I think a few months ago

1:24:55.279 --> 1:24:57.430
<v Speaker 2>he said more or less. Ok, what do you think?

1:24:57.439 --> 1:24:59.830
<v Speaker 2>I should, I should do, should I continue as a

1:24:59.839 --> 1:25:03.069
<v Speaker 2>director or as a coach? And I said, listen, if,

1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:06.209
<v Speaker 2>if you feel that you can want to influence the

1:25:06.220 --> 1:25:08.870
<v Speaker 2>whole club, you need to be the director. If you

1:25:08.879 --> 1:25:12.019
<v Speaker 2>want to work with players, then, ok, you need to

1:25:12.029 --> 1:25:13.160
<v Speaker 2>start finding out and

1:25:13.169 --> 1:25:15.470
<v Speaker 1>as you, as you know, Barack, you think that you're

1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:17.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna succeed in Jerusalem.

1:25:18.540 --> 1:25:20.660
<v Speaker 2>Well, he always told me he's the king of Jerusalem.

1:25:20.669 --> 1:25:24.970
<v Speaker 2>So uh after his playing career, so I think that

1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:25.318
<v Speaker 2>I think

1:25:25.890 --> 1:25:26.689
<v Speaker 1>is the king but

1:25:27.919 --> 1:25:32.639
<v Speaker 2>the crown prince, but I think that uh his knowledge

1:25:33.839 --> 1:25:35.220
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to,

1:25:36.009 --> 1:25:40.089
<v Speaker 2>let's say, give myself credit, but that he saw, ok,

1:25:40.100 --> 1:25:42.609
<v Speaker 2>this is what is needed to organize a club, an

1:25:42.620 --> 1:25:46.229
<v Speaker 2>academy or a first team that he knows what to do. Ok?

1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:47.959
<v Speaker 2>Now he needs to get the chance and, and to

1:25:47.970 --> 1:25:52.549
<v Speaker 2>take the chance and uh knowing Barak, he wants to

1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:56.189
<v Speaker 2>be the best. He wants to be very ambitious and,

1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:59.068
<v Speaker 2>and playing in a certain style of football. But OK,

1:25:59.470 --> 1:26:01.129
<v Speaker 2>I advise him to take the time and to be

1:26:01.140 --> 1:26:01.939
<v Speaker 2>smart in it,

1:26:01.950 --> 1:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>you surprised that he didn't take the job after I

1:26:05.339 --> 1:26:05.769
<v Speaker 1>left

1:26:06.500 --> 1:26:07.359
<v Speaker 1>when, before they

1:26:12.279 --> 1:26:12.669
<v Speaker 2>brought

1:26:13.270 --> 1:26:14.129
<v Speaker 1>in, I think

1:26:14.970 --> 1:26:15.109
<v Speaker 1>in

1:26:15.779 --> 1:26:19.858
<v Speaker 2>terms of, I would look at the challenges bigger and

1:26:19.870 --> 1:26:25.459
<v Speaker 2>invited Jerusalem to create something with a huge potential. Still

1:26:25.470 --> 1:26:26.200
<v Speaker 2>as a club,

1:26:26.750 --> 1:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned the name of Ivi. I think also he

1:26:30.169 --> 1:26:34.129
<v Speaker 1>said something about you a few maybe one year ago

1:26:34.140 --> 1:26:36.020
<v Speaker 1>or two years ago. Also in an interview

1:26:36.910 --> 1:26:41.310
<v Speaker 1>that you are the only one he didn't spoke with

1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:44.129
<v Speaker 1>at, at his time in the capital Aviv

1:26:44.939 --> 1:26:46.919
<v Speaker 1>and he felt that you are not giving him respect.

1:26:47.950 --> 1:26:50.700
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what he meant when he said no,

1:26:50.709 --> 1:26:50.770
<v Speaker 1>I don't

1:26:51.049 --> 1:26:51.089
<v Speaker 2>think

1:26:53.939 --> 1:26:55.799
<v Speaker 1>I know you didn't have any problem with

1:26:55.810 --> 1:26:58.830
<v Speaker 2>no, why I should have a problem with him

1:26:59.950 --> 1:27:01.759
<v Speaker 2>if he was not in touch with me and I

1:27:01.770 --> 1:27:03.839
<v Speaker 2>was not in touch with him then. Ok, the

1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:08.339
<v Speaker 2>I think that uh I remember that I was invited

1:27:08.350 --> 1:27:11.639
<v Speaker 2>to a dinner when Ben Mansford started and then he

1:27:11.649 --> 1:27:13.140
<v Speaker 2>started as a coach

1:27:14.629 --> 1:27:16.439
<v Speaker 2>that I was part of it so that we met

1:27:16.629 --> 1:27:19.309
<v Speaker 2>uh me as an academy director to be part. And

1:27:19.319 --> 1:27:21.379
<v Speaker 2>at the moment that that a lot of young players

1:27:21.390 --> 1:27:25.769
<v Speaker 2>like Ken and Glass and, and so p came back

1:27:25.779 --> 1:27:28.930
<v Speaker 2>from all the long period. So to say so I

1:27:28.939 --> 1:27:30.330
<v Speaker 2>think that uh

1:27:32.919 --> 1:27:34.649
<v Speaker 2>I visited the first team games,

1:27:35.410 --> 1:27:38.629
<v Speaker 2>I cannot remember that he visited an under 19 game

1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:42.540
<v Speaker 2>or any youth game that was 100 m away.

1:27:43.379 --> 1:27:46.770
<v Speaker 2>So I think if he says that we didn't speak, ok,

1:27:46.779 --> 1:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>maybe

1:27:47.970 --> 1:27:51.259
<v Speaker 2>look at yourself and then then maybe take the interest

1:27:51.270 --> 1:27:53.910
<v Speaker 2>and take it to art. Maybe I should show some interest.

1:27:54.419 --> 1:27:55.629
<v Speaker 2>I think that uh

1:27:57.990 --> 1:28:00.379
<v Speaker 2>that's something I try to do as a, as a

1:28:00.390 --> 1:28:03.410
<v Speaker 2>head coach is, is always to show some interest in,

1:28:03.419 --> 1:28:06.469
<v Speaker 2>in an under 19 or the under 17. I knew

1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:08.269
<v Speaker 2>all the teams. I knew the schedule. Yes, for me,

1:28:08.279 --> 1:28:11.528
<v Speaker 2>it's easy to cross the road and speaking to the

1:28:11.540 --> 1:28:13.660
<v Speaker 2>coaches because more or less you develop them or you

1:28:13.669 --> 1:28:17.529
<v Speaker 2>hire them. But I think also in, in Zoya and instructor,

1:28:17.540 --> 1:28:18.169
<v Speaker 2>I try to

1:28:18.830 --> 1:28:22.649
<v Speaker 2>be interested in uh in what's happening and people know

1:28:22.660 --> 1:28:25.009
<v Speaker 2>my background. So they ask me also questions or ask

1:28:25.020 --> 1:28:25.930
<v Speaker 2>me to be uh

1:28:26.700 --> 1:28:29.839
<v Speaker 2>to be like an advisor. And in Zoya, it was

1:28:29.850 --> 1:28:32.939
<v Speaker 2>like that Zoya only had an under 19 and they

1:28:32.950 --> 1:28:36.149
<v Speaker 2>had an academy playing on a different location. But more

1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:39.109
<v Speaker 2>or less the under 19 was the only team where

1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I as a coach could take players from.

1:28:41.419 --> 1:28:44.099
<v Speaker 2>So you try to watch the training sessions, you try

1:28:44.109 --> 1:28:46.839
<v Speaker 2>to watch because they trained at the same facility.

1:28:47.459 --> 1:28:50.040
<v Speaker 2>So you try to have an interest or speak to players,

1:28:50.049 --> 1:28:52.790
<v Speaker 2>use players in training sessions, use players in, in a

1:28:52.799 --> 1:28:56.759
<v Speaker 2>friendly game. So yes, this uh this is part of me.

1:28:56.850 --> 1:28:58.750
<v Speaker 2>I think it needs to be inside. You also as

1:28:58.759 --> 1:29:00.899
<v Speaker 2>a head coach to show interest in the other side.

1:29:01.149 --> 1:29:01.419
<v Speaker 2>We

1:29:01.430 --> 1:29:04.819
<v Speaker 1>sit here on a, on a Sunday uh on Thursday,

1:29:05.009 --> 1:29:07.398
<v Speaker 1>Maccabi Aviva won Olympiacos for one

1:29:08.100 --> 1:29:11.729
<v Speaker 1>we saw in that game in the lineup players that

1:29:11.740 --> 1:29:14.009
<v Speaker 1>grew up in the academy, the Shaha, of course, Ravi

1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:16.950
<v Speaker 1>do Perez Kani.

1:29:17.549 --> 1:29:20.149
<v Speaker 1>Uh we saw coming in from the bench guys like

1:29:20.160 --> 1:29:23.419
<v Speaker 1>Toja man or Kats, the Vida. That was until he

1:29:23.430 --> 1:29:27.790
<v Speaker 1>was 15 years old. Um When you see all those

1:29:27.799 --> 1:29:32.169
<v Speaker 1>Israeli guys, some of them, you know, personally, better than us.

1:29:32.799 --> 1:29:34.490
<v Speaker 1>And you saw that game,

1:29:35.419 --> 1:29:39.089
<v Speaker 1>how many of them can play on a Champions league

1:29:39.100 --> 1:29:43.709
<v Speaker 1>level team like Oscal? Uh right now, how many of

1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>them have that potential to go to those type of teams?

1:29:49.790 --> 1:29:52.309
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that that all of them, let's say

1:29:52.319 --> 1:29:55.660
<v Speaker 2>that play uh have an interesting position vivo as a

1:29:55.669 --> 1:29:59.740
<v Speaker 2>left defender, the whole football world is always looking for

1:29:59.750 --> 1:30:04.089
<v Speaker 2>left defenders. So I think that, that he has that

1:30:04.100 --> 1:30:06.568
<v Speaker 2>extra and I think that he's developing in a, in

1:30:06.580 --> 1:30:07.349
<v Speaker 2>a right way

1:30:08.209 --> 1:30:10.790
<v Speaker 2>uh to get the minutes and to get the games

1:30:10.799 --> 1:30:13.379
<v Speaker 2>at every level in the, in the national team also,

1:30:13.390 --> 1:30:15.629
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. So he gets it at a young age,

1:30:15.640 --> 1:30:16.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot of experience

1:30:17.439 --> 1:30:19.939
<v Speaker 2>how he manages it or how they manage him in

1:30:19.950 --> 1:30:22.580
<v Speaker 2>the in the sessions is most important that he

1:30:23.569 --> 1:30:27.660
<v Speaker 2>keeps this, let's say high discipline in focusing on being

1:30:27.669 --> 1:30:28.790
<v Speaker 2>the best in that position.

1:30:29.689 --> 1:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:30:31.049 --> 1:30:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Though to Jan, I think that he can be

1:30:35.339 --> 1:30:37.700
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more, I don't want to say selfish

1:30:37.709 --> 1:30:41.019
<v Speaker 2>but to be more quickly in scoring the goals because

1:30:41.029 --> 1:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>he gets always or he creates always opportunities. So he

1:30:45.209 --> 1:30:48.250
<v Speaker 2>needs some time. But yeah, he needs to show what

1:30:50.259 --> 1:30:50.319
<v Speaker 2>do you

1:30:50.330 --> 1:30:52.290
<v Speaker 1>think you need to improve on

1:30:52.299 --> 1:30:52.799
<v Speaker 2>his game?

1:30:53.839 --> 1:30:56.299
<v Speaker 2>I think he needs to think less and to finish

1:30:56.310 --> 1:30:56.770
<v Speaker 2>quicker

1:30:57.589 --> 1:30:59.689
<v Speaker 2>if I see him go at the goal,

1:31:00.459 --> 1:31:03.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't see his actions being where am I putting

1:31:03.930 --> 1:31:04.390
<v Speaker 2>the ball?

1:31:05.100 --> 1:31:09.339
<v Speaker 2>It's whereas my defender, I need to still make one move.

1:31:09.350 --> 1:31:11.938
<v Speaker 2>I want him, I would like him to be,

1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:15.399
<v Speaker 2>let's say more. Taking X as an example when the

1:31:15.410 --> 1:31:18.479
<v Speaker 2>ball is ready, it's ready to fire and this is

1:31:18.490 --> 1:31:20.689
<v Speaker 2>what he needs to start doing so that his,

1:31:21.890 --> 1:31:24.740
<v Speaker 2>his statistics go up because he needs the goals to

1:31:24.750 --> 1:31:28.250
<v Speaker 2>be talented is, is nice for a certain period. But

1:31:28.259 --> 1:31:31.149
<v Speaker 2>now it's time to be effective

1:31:31.779 --> 1:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>and to bring the goals and for that, he needs

1:31:34.129 --> 1:31:36.769
<v Speaker 2>to of course, be in the best position for him

1:31:36.810 --> 1:31:40.589
<v Speaker 2>possible as a, as a striker. But again, if you

1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:42.330
<v Speaker 2>have two good strikers, you need to manage it at

1:31:42.439 --> 1:31:42.750
<v Speaker 2>the thought

1:31:43.209 --> 1:31:46.568
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned before on one of your answers that there

1:31:46.580 --> 1:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>were some players in the youth that your surprise didn't

1:31:50.279 --> 1:31:50.879
<v Speaker 1>make it.

1:31:52.069 --> 1:31:53.290
<v Speaker 1>Can we go into names

1:31:53.899 --> 1:31:56.299
<v Speaker 1>if you want to go into names? We surprise you

1:31:56.310 --> 1:31:58.479
<v Speaker 1>that didn't make it to the festive of.

1:31:58.970 --> 1:32:03.099
<v Speaker 2>Um Well, I let's say we can, we can only

1:32:03.109 --> 1:32:05.850
<v Speaker 2>speak about players that that didn't make it but also

1:32:05.859 --> 1:32:09.520
<v Speaker 2>players that didn't get the chance. I think for example,

1:32:09.529 --> 1:32:13.790
<v Speaker 2>uh guy Mirai is a player that I personally saw

1:32:13.990 --> 1:32:15.399
<v Speaker 2>making progress a lot

1:32:16.020 --> 1:32:18.559
<v Speaker 2>and I think he shows it now in Netanya that

1:32:18.569 --> 1:32:21.899
<v Speaker 2>he's on the right track to keep developing himself.

1:32:22.709 --> 1:32:23.370
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:32:24.770 --> 1:32:26.270
<v Speaker 2>I think um

1:32:28.310 --> 1:32:31.490
<v Speaker 2>Tel Aviv, after selling Oscar Gloss

1:32:32.220 --> 1:32:35.568
<v Speaker 2>should have taken a different decision with Berlin, for example,

1:32:35.580 --> 1:32:41.470
<v Speaker 2>that's now alone in a ha I think he's uh

1:32:43.109 --> 1:32:47.020
<v Speaker 2>something specific. He has also something specific in his head,

1:32:47.029 --> 1:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>but it's a very good boy, very

1:32:51.069 --> 1:32:56.729
<v Speaker 2>how to say it, unexpected decisions with the ball and

1:32:56.740 --> 1:32:59.019
<v Speaker 2>not a lazy boy. So I think that some

1:32:59.939 --> 1:33:03.648
<v Speaker 2>players should get the chance. But ok, he now has

1:33:03.660 --> 1:33:07.310
<v Speaker 2>the road to show it through a different way. The second,

1:33:07.319 --> 1:33:09.439
<v Speaker 1>the second year with the under 19

1:33:10.109 --> 1:33:13.540
<v Speaker 1>was not good for him for all of them, all

1:33:13.609 --> 1:33:17.269
<v Speaker 1>of them, for all of the team also for all

1:33:17.279 --> 1:33:21.500
<v Speaker 1>of the, for, also for Bayer and for a lot

1:33:21.509 --> 1:33:25.100
<v Speaker 1>of them. But in the second year, it was supposed

1:33:25.109 --> 1:33:27.339
<v Speaker 1>like to go to another place to play, like in, in,

1:33:27.350 --> 1:33:30.250
<v Speaker 1>in those game. You think,

1:33:31.959 --> 1:33:36.109
<v Speaker 2>uh I think that also partly it lays in what

1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:38.890
<v Speaker 2>happened in the, in the academy. Um

1:33:39.830 --> 1:33:44.330
<v Speaker 2>But I think that those, that generation of players uh

1:33:44.339 --> 1:33:47.970
<v Speaker 2>didn't only consist of Oscar Gla I think there, there

1:33:47.979 --> 1:33:50.890
<v Speaker 2>are some more players in that group that Macabe will

1:33:50.899 --> 1:33:52.089
<v Speaker 2>benefit from in the future

1:33:53.299 --> 1:33:56.419
<v Speaker 1>Claudio Braga was something that you brought to the table

1:33:56.430 --> 1:33:58.729
<v Speaker 1>or no, it

1:33:58.740 --> 1:34:02.629
<v Speaker 2>is, it is related to me. Yes, I suggested Claudia

1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:05.270
<v Speaker 2>also because I got the request. Uh not only to

1:34:05.279 --> 1:34:08.709
<v Speaker 2>be the head coach but to continue also to, to

1:34:08.720 --> 1:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>look after the football philosophy in the academy. And for that,

1:34:12.049 --> 1:34:17.009
<v Speaker 2>you need a person that, that let's say follows and

1:34:17.020 --> 1:34:20.040
<v Speaker 2>follows the plans that were already existing for, for four

1:34:20.049 --> 1:34:21.649
<v Speaker 2>or five seasons. You didn't follow

1:34:21.660 --> 1:34:21.910
<v Speaker 1>them.

1:34:22.529 --> 1:34:26.270
<v Speaker 2>He uh after after me leaving more or less things

1:34:26.279 --> 1:34:28.819
<v Speaker 2>changed and that, that is something that uh

1:34:30.879 --> 1:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>that Maccabi should look at by themselves, how to handle

1:34:34.609 --> 1:34:36.259
<v Speaker 2>that in future situations.

1:34:36.870 --> 1:34:39.709
<v Speaker 1>Um who do you think will win the title this season?

1:34:40.310 --> 1:34:40.910
<v Speaker 1>Moab Haifa.

1:34:42.100 --> 1:34:42.649
<v Speaker 2>Um,

1:34:43.359 --> 1:34:45.689
<v Speaker 2>well, let's say like this, I think they are compatible

1:34:45.700 --> 1:34:46.529
<v Speaker 2>at the moment.

1:34:47.770 --> 1:34:50.459
<v Speaker 2>I think it depends also who made the best transfers

1:34:50.470 --> 1:34:53.148
<v Speaker 2>in the, in the winter period. I think high five

1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:56.629
<v Speaker 2>after the start with the young coach came back into

1:34:56.640 --> 1:34:57.108
<v Speaker 2>the race.

1:34:58.060 --> 1:35:01.879
<v Speaker 2>Uh, both teams, uh, surprised me with the long period.

1:35:01.890 --> 1:35:06.479
<v Speaker 2>They are in Europe. So for the league, it's good

1:35:06.490 --> 1:35:08.640
<v Speaker 2>that both of them have the same more or less

1:35:08.649 --> 1:35:09.240
<v Speaker 2>schedule

1:35:09.919 --> 1:35:12.529
<v Speaker 2>and with the opportunity so both of them to qualify

1:35:12.540 --> 1:35:15.240
<v Speaker 2>for the next round. So that's only top four Israeli football.

1:35:15.779 --> 1:35:18.620
<v Speaker 2>So I think it will be a race until, until

1:35:18.629 --> 1:35:19.899
<v Speaker 2>the end. And who do you

1:35:19.910 --> 1:35:22.549
<v Speaker 1>think did the best journey of transfer window when you

1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:23.459
<v Speaker 1>look at the,

1:35:23.910 --> 1:35:26.299
<v Speaker 2>I think they did different transfer window. Macabe aimed for

1:35:26.310 --> 1:35:29.689
<v Speaker 2>the younger players maybe for the long term and I

1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:35.509
<v Speaker 2>brought in some young foreign player and also some experienced

1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:37.620
<v Speaker 2>Israeli players. So I think that uh

1:35:38.629 --> 1:35:41.930
<v Speaker 2>both of them looked at ex ex let's say expanding

1:35:41.939 --> 1:35:45.450
<v Speaker 2>the squad with quality to, to be able to participate

1:35:45.459 --> 1:35:46.769
<v Speaker 2>in the, in the two leagues that they are in

1:35:46.779 --> 1:35:49.729
<v Speaker 2>now in the conference league and in the in the

1:35:49.740 --> 1:35:50.509
<v Speaker 2>Israeli League,

1:35:50.549 --> 1:35:53.930
<v Speaker 1>you always said, and I remember that with, with the

1:35:54.060 --> 1:35:56.649
<v Speaker 1>that you had the academy director, I think you, you

1:35:56.660 --> 1:35:58.990
<v Speaker 1>did the first interview with me as the Academy director.

1:35:59.000 --> 1:36:02.688
<v Speaker 1>You always said, that the Israeli talent is something that

1:36:02.700 --> 1:36:04.330
<v Speaker 1>is not getting enough attention

1:36:05.359 --> 1:36:07.700
<v Speaker 1>that we have a lot of talent and we just

1:36:07.709 --> 1:36:10.390
<v Speaker 1>need to direct them on a good way. And you

1:36:10.399 --> 1:36:14.299
<v Speaker 1>see now the level of the Israeli players coming out

1:36:14.500 --> 1:36:16.950
<v Speaker 1>and you see Makabe Kit and Kali who is a

1:36:16.959 --> 1:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>top player,

1:36:18.629 --> 1:36:22.609
<v Speaker 1>what, what resulted in that change that we are now

1:36:22.620 --> 1:36:27.620
<v Speaker 1>making more good players from the youth than previous years.

1:36:28.029 --> 1:36:32.169
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that uh that of course the the

1:36:32.180 --> 1:36:36.270
<v Speaker 2>the younger coach coming from the youth helps Maccabi Haifa

1:36:36.509 --> 1:36:39.129
<v Speaker 2>to recognize some of the talented players and and to

1:36:39.140 --> 1:36:43.569
<v Speaker 2>give them the opportunity. This this always helps when a

1:36:43.580 --> 1:36:47.890
<v Speaker 2>person comes from the academy or knowing the academy players,

1:36:48.379 --> 1:36:51.029
<v Speaker 2>he will quicker say, listen, we don't need, I can

1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:52.359
<v Speaker 2>try it with this one.

1:36:53.180 --> 1:36:57.109
<v Speaker 2>So uh that, that is uh that is a plus,

1:36:57.430 --> 1:37:00.660
<v Speaker 2>I think also the performance of the national teams last summer,

1:37:00.669 --> 1:37:04.080
<v Speaker 2>uh also made people in Israel realize that, yeah, we

1:37:04.089 --> 1:37:06.180
<v Speaker 2>need to have some more trust in the younger players

1:37:06.189 --> 1:37:06.879
<v Speaker 2>that we have.

1:37:07.689 --> 1:37:10.349
<v Speaker 2>So let's hope that that continues. But at the same time,

1:37:10.359 --> 1:37:11.870
<v Speaker 2>I hope that

1:37:12.660 --> 1:37:16.560
<v Speaker 2>not only the Israeli Federation continues to create a high

1:37:16.569 --> 1:37:18.080
<v Speaker 2>level of coaches development,

1:37:18.810 --> 1:37:21.620
<v Speaker 2>but also that clubs are are starting to pay attention

1:37:21.629 --> 1:37:22.229
<v Speaker 2>more

1:37:23.069 --> 1:37:28.399
<v Speaker 2>to the academies. I still think that Children in Israeli

1:37:28.410 --> 1:37:29.290
<v Speaker 2>youthful law

1:37:29.959 --> 1:37:31.859
<v Speaker 2>don't have the right facilities

1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:36.339
<v Speaker 2>to play football, not enough opportunities to become better.

1:37:37.250 --> 1:37:37.919
<v Speaker 2>Um

1:37:40.029 --> 1:37:44.250
<v Speaker 2>Also the extra activities of clubs investing in.

1:37:45.080 --> 1:37:47.259
<v Speaker 2>They need to see it. If, if

1:37:48.390 --> 1:37:52.049
<v Speaker 2>each club would see one player being sold to Europe

1:37:52.589 --> 1:37:56.049
<v Speaker 2>with the amounts of Daniel per or Oscar Glo, then

1:37:56.060 --> 1:37:59.200
<v Speaker 2>you are creating your budget for your academy and you

1:37:59.209 --> 1:38:00.279
<v Speaker 2>are creating your,

1:38:01.129 --> 1:38:04.450
<v Speaker 2>your aims for your academy because you need only one

1:38:05.350 --> 1:38:07.020
<v Speaker 2>and to invest

1:38:07.720 --> 1:38:11.580
<v Speaker 2>on your level in an academy to increase the activities

1:38:11.589 --> 1:38:13.818
<v Speaker 2>of Children is something that needs to happen.

1:38:14.580 --> 1:38:18.259
<v Speaker 2>If uh last, last Saturday or yesterday, I watched the

1:38:18.270 --> 1:38:21.470
<v Speaker 2>under 19 game, I think there needs to be more demands,

1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>there needs to be a higher tempo. There needs to

1:38:23.529 --> 1:38:28.339
<v Speaker 2>be more intentions to dominate the game for Israeli Children

1:38:28.350 --> 1:38:31.839
<v Speaker 2>to grow up because yeah, everybody wants everybody that is,

1:38:31.850 --> 1:38:36.049
<v Speaker 2>let's say involved in Israeli football or supporting or knowing

1:38:36.060 --> 1:38:39.189
<v Speaker 2>the talent is waiting for the national team to qualify

1:38:39.200 --> 1:38:39.740
<v Speaker 2>for something.

1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:41.580
<v Speaker 2>And uh

1:38:42.580 --> 1:38:46.720
<v Speaker 2>this would be the biggest boost. But if this boost

1:38:46.729 --> 1:38:48.939
<v Speaker 2>goes to all the owners of the clubs or all

1:38:48.950 --> 1:38:50.269
<v Speaker 2>the owners of the academies,

1:38:50.910 --> 1:38:53.240
<v Speaker 2>that is something that should go.

1:38:53.890 --> 1:38:54.709
<v Speaker 2>And um

1:38:56.069 --> 1:38:57.970
<v Speaker 2>because for such a small country,

1:38:58.740 --> 1:39:01.740
<v Speaker 2>I still think there are a lot of interesting players.

1:39:01.750 --> 1:39:06.370
<v Speaker 2>We mentioned some of them. Uh I'm looking at Israel

1:39:06.379 --> 1:39:11.809
<v Speaker 2>as scouting opportunities which players clubs are not using. Is

1:39:11.819 --> 1:39:14.879
<v Speaker 2>it a player that I still believe in to, to,

1:39:14.890 --> 1:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>to make better?

1:39:16.399 --> 1:39:19.779
<v Speaker 2>And this is something that, that I of course hope

1:39:19.790 --> 1:39:22.419
<v Speaker 2>that Israel will see it here, you

1:39:22.430 --> 1:39:24.450
<v Speaker 1>also prove that we can attract

1:39:24.740 --> 1:39:29.330
<v Speaker 1>younger guys that can be good players like Eduardo like Poe.

1:39:29.750 --> 1:39:32.759
<v Speaker 1>So that's another direction that is possible for the Israeli

1:39:32.770 --> 1:39:35.319
<v Speaker 1>football that we are not using it, I think in

1:39:35.330 --> 1:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>most of the teams right now. But you need people

1:39:37.569 --> 1:39:41.470
<v Speaker 1>that believe in young players and young and young coaches

1:39:41.479 --> 1:39:43.439
<v Speaker 1>and you need people like this.

1:39:43.970 --> 1:39:46.609
<v Speaker 2>Well, I understood that most of the clubs now are

1:39:46.620 --> 1:39:49.419
<v Speaker 2>not taking a young foreigner because they get certain

1:39:50.220 --> 1:39:53.818
<v Speaker 2>composition for the federation. And I see it from the

1:39:53.830 --> 1:39:55.799
<v Speaker 2>point the same as in the, in the first team,

1:39:55.890 --> 1:40:00.589
<v Speaker 2>a foreign boy brings something extra to a youth team.

1:40:00.600 --> 1:40:01.799
<v Speaker 2>So it's

1:40:03.109 --> 1:40:04.870
<v Speaker 1>Mabe now, we don't have a foreign players in the

1:40:04.879 --> 1:40:07.269
<v Speaker 1>youth for the second season in a row. So that

1:40:07.709 --> 1:40:10.089
<v Speaker 2>no, and I, I think that, uh, let's say Macabe

1:40:11.049 --> 1:40:14.129
<v Speaker 2>and the scouting of, of the youth show that they

1:40:14.140 --> 1:40:17.419
<v Speaker 2>are able to find the players because it started with

1:40:17.430 --> 1:40:17.640
<v Speaker 2>VA G

1:40:18.620 --> 1:40:21.620
<v Speaker 2>to take him on loan from Apo Jerusalem. Then we,

1:40:21.629 --> 1:40:26.149
<v Speaker 2>we bring Edoardo, then we bring Parfait with Parfait. We

1:40:26.160 --> 1:40:29.089
<v Speaker 2>still had another. Bamba was also in that group, but

1:40:29.100 --> 1:40:32.069
<v Speaker 2>you need to take decisions and Parfait was standing out

1:40:32.080 --> 1:40:36.140
<v Speaker 2>the most at that time. Uh, then we had, uh

1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:41.390
<v Speaker 2>Novato Miros from Tanzania who also added something to youth

1:40:41.399 --> 1:40:44.129
<v Speaker 2>football played at that time in the, in, uh by

1:40:44.140 --> 1:40:47.839
<v Speaker 2>the Tel Aviv second division and did the preseason with, uh,

1:40:48.359 --> 1:40:51.259
<v Speaker 2>with the first team. And so I think that

1:40:52.500 --> 1:40:54.640
<v Speaker 2>it is an extra opportunity and I don't think you

1:40:54.649 --> 1:40:58.819
<v Speaker 2>should let it go, um, as a club because of

1:40:58.830 --> 1:40:59.910
<v Speaker 2>finances because, yeah,

1:41:00.979 --> 1:41:04.759
<v Speaker 2>maybe it could be more, or maybe the Israeli Federation should,

1:41:04.770 --> 1:41:05.839
<v Speaker 2>should stimulate it

1:41:06.660 --> 1:41:09.700
<v Speaker 2>and maybe even increase the second one.

1:41:09.970 --> 1:41:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you have something more before I would finish it

1:41:12.009 --> 1:41:15.899
<v Speaker 1>or what, something more to ask? I, um, no, I

1:41:15.910 --> 1:41:17.080
<v Speaker 1>just want to,

1:41:18.100 --> 1:41:20.240
<v Speaker 1>to you to succeed and to have a good luck

1:41:20.250 --> 1:41:23.549
<v Speaker 1>and where wherever you choose the next lab, which any

1:41:23.560 --> 1:41:26.660
<v Speaker 1>position that you choose and that's it.

1:41:28.279 --> 1:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Uh When we are asking an Israeli person

1:41:33.129 --> 1:41:36.189
<v Speaker 1>or a Jewish person where they come from, you see,

1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:39.068
<v Speaker 1>we always say, OK, I'm half Moroccan, half Polish. I'm

1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:43.390
<v Speaker 1>half Bulgarian, half from Germany. Can we say now after

1:41:43.399 --> 1:41:47.720
<v Speaker 1>all those years that Van Leuven is uh 15% Israel?

1:41:48.810 --> 1:41:52.549
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's say like this, that uh I, I am

1:41:52.560 --> 1:41:53.430
<v Speaker 2>with pleasure

1:41:54.129 --> 1:41:58.129
<v Speaker 2>in, in, in the, in Israel. I worked with a

1:41:58.140 --> 1:42:02.189
<v Speaker 2>lot of pleasure here and a lot of friendly people

1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:06.359
<v Speaker 2>assisted me in, in being successful and creating also a

1:42:06.370 --> 1:42:11.910
<v Speaker 2>name for myself here. So, yes, I am. Uh 15%. Yes.

1:42:11.919 --> 1:42:14.089
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's maybe more, maybe more.

1:42:14.919 --> 1:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I have the, I have another question after all of

1:42:18.129 --> 1:42:20.750
<v Speaker 1>what you got in uh in football,

1:42:21.080 --> 1:42:23.620
<v Speaker 1>why do you think that you need to improve in

1:42:23.629 --> 1:42:24.540
<v Speaker 1>yourself

1:42:25.390 --> 1:42:28.069
<v Speaker 2>if there is something like this? No, listen, it's uh

1:42:28.080 --> 1:42:31.580
<v Speaker 2>that's also part of this period to, to, to, to

1:42:31.589 --> 1:42:34.759
<v Speaker 2>look at yourself. And uh I'm not afraid to listen

1:42:34.770 --> 1:42:37.779
<v Speaker 2>to people, I'm not afraid to, to get their opinion

1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:43.269
<v Speaker 2>and to take something from that if I look at myself,

1:42:43.419 --> 1:42:48.339
<v Speaker 2>but then, then, ok, maybe communication or personal contact could be.

1:42:49.220 --> 1:42:52.790
<v Speaker 2>But for that, you have also nowadays a much larger stuff.

1:42:53.350 --> 1:42:56.560
<v Speaker 2>So certain things you leave to your assistance because at

1:42:56.569 --> 1:42:59.019
<v Speaker 2>the end, they also need to do something. You cannot

1:42:59.029 --> 1:43:01.609
<v Speaker 2>do everything by yourself. That's why you, you are the manager,

1:43:01.620 --> 1:43:05.850
<v Speaker 2>you do everything, you plan everything and you decide everything,

1:43:05.859 --> 1:43:09.599
<v Speaker 2>but your input comes from your assistants that are with

1:43:09.609 --> 1:43:11.200
<v Speaker 2>you on the field. And uh

1:43:12.209 --> 1:43:15.600
<v Speaker 2>uh this, this is something that, that I look at

1:43:15.609 --> 1:43:19.269
<v Speaker 2>more closely now. And what I like to evaluate is

1:43:19.279 --> 1:43:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the communication between the, the head coach and his staff,

1:43:23.209 --> 1:43:26.950
<v Speaker 2>the head coach and the players, but also the assistance

1:43:26.959 --> 1:43:28.540
<v Speaker 2>with the players. Ok. Where,

1:43:29.180 --> 1:43:32.278
<v Speaker 2>where is the head coach, uh really involved in the

1:43:32.290 --> 1:43:35.750
<v Speaker 2>training session? And for that, I, yeah, I, I travel

1:43:36.140 --> 1:43:38.520
<v Speaker 2>and I like to see uh the training session. I'm

1:43:38.529 --> 1:43:39.959
<v Speaker 2>not traveling for exercises.

1:43:40.569 --> 1:43:44.229
<v Speaker 2>This I can create myself. I'm, I'm traveling to see

1:43:44.240 --> 1:43:49.379
<v Speaker 2>communication between uh between coaches and players if I uh

1:43:50.890 --> 1:43:54.459
<v Speaker 2>go to Betty Sevilla and, and you think, ok, they,

1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:57.390
<v Speaker 2>after the training, they will go inside, they did their job,

1:43:57.399 --> 1:43:59.509
<v Speaker 2>they go inside. Ok? One of the players is still

1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:01.100
<v Speaker 2>unhappy that he doesn't uh

1:44:01.790 --> 1:44:04.410
<v Speaker 2>that he didn't play or that he didn't participate enough.

1:44:04.419 --> 1:44:07.529
<v Speaker 2>So I see there a 70 year old Gods Pellegrini

1:44:07.540 --> 1:44:10.490
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of experience speaking for 20 minutes with

1:44:10.500 --> 1:44:13.740
<v Speaker 2>the player trying to comfort him, trying to make him

1:44:13.750 --> 1:44:15.879
<v Speaker 2>believe in his qualities that he gets his chance. So

1:44:15.890 --> 1:44:16.930
<v Speaker 2>all over the world,

1:44:17.640 --> 1:44:21.259
<v Speaker 2>the same situations occur. And also if you didn't speak

1:44:21.270 --> 1:44:24.580
<v Speaker 2>with the, the, the coach after, because these opportunities you

1:44:24.589 --> 1:44:28.419
<v Speaker 2>also get because of the clubs that you work for.

1:44:28.430 --> 1:44:30.740
<v Speaker 2>Uh is that he also explains this is, this is

1:44:30.750 --> 1:44:33.509
<v Speaker 2>part of it, OK? And still at my level, uh

1:44:33.520 --> 1:44:37.649
<v Speaker 2>players are not understanding why they don't play and one

1:44:37.660 --> 1:44:39.740
<v Speaker 2>word is not enough, you need to spend time on it.

1:44:39.750 --> 1:44:40.020
<v Speaker 2>So

1:44:40.580 --> 1:44:42.700
<v Speaker 2>this is something that uh it's

1:44:42.709 --> 1:44:46.839
<v Speaker 1>even more important than uh tactics, the communication and everything.

1:44:46.850 --> 1:44:51.220
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's important tactic, they like the most. But uh

1:44:51.250 --> 1:44:54.209
<v Speaker 1>if they listen, yeah, if they listen, if you, if

1:44:54.220 --> 1:44:59.148
<v Speaker 1>you make them listen can be OK. Uh Patrick, thank

1:44:59.160 --> 1:45:01.040
<v Speaker 1>you a lot for coming. I wish you all the

1:45:01.049 --> 1:45:03.399
<v Speaker 1>best and uh we will follow your career of course

1:45:03.410 --> 1:45:05.109
<v Speaker 1>and see what happens in the next uh

1:45:05.470 --> 1:45:09.589
<v Speaker 1>few months. OK? Maybe we will see you on the

1:45:09.600 --> 1:45:13.250
<v Speaker 1>lines in Bloomfield soon. But as an opponent who knows

1:45:13.259 --> 1:45:16.979
<v Speaker 2>everything is still open and we will see and the

1:45:16.990 --> 1:45:19.040
<v Speaker 2>sun is coming. So this is perfect.

1:45:21.009 --> 1:45:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Thank you very

1:45:21.450 --> 1:45:22.850
<v Speaker 2>much. You're welcome. Thank you?