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Speaker 1: Because I want to say hello and welcome to Patrick

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Speaker 2: Fine, fine. Hi, Patrick. I feel good. Perfect. I'm uh

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Speaker 2: in a good moment.

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Speaker 2: I'm relaxing. I'm enjoying football and there are periods in

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Speaker 2: this is the period that I'm in now and uh

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Speaker 2: trying to meet different types of, of let's say football

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen you. Uh I haven't seen you for

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Speaker 1: a while. Uh, but we did saw you on the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks watching some games of Moab Tel

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Speaker 1: Aviv in the youth department and we saw you watching,

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Speaker 2: Well, uh let's say the period I was first here

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Speaker 2: So I try to, to use that period also.

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Speaker 2: Um and yeah, I, I like to be in Israel.

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Speaker 2: Uh This, this last week I also gave a presentation

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Speaker 2: in touch with them. You have some, some coaches in,

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Speaker 2: So yes, it's not, not only returning the favor, what

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Speaker 2: speaking and discussing about football, watching games together. So these

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Speaker 1: Israel. I remember in 2021 when there was the, the

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can say that where people see a threat

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Speaker 1: Um So we see you now in Israel, as you said,

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Speaker 2: So I refused for the simple reason that at that

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Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, he worked on your U department

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Speaker 2: no uh this, this is not the case and this,

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Speaker 2: If I take that uh part away from a coach,

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Speaker 2: it means also that the coach doesn't need to think

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Speaker 2: And there you have the coaches that assist and there

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Speaker 2: you have the opportunity for players to become better when

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Speaker 1: Can you can you explain the idea of taking a

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Speaker 2: moment where he started to, to, to grow in all

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Speaker 2: facets of football, not only the, the, the football part,

446
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Speaker 2: but also the physical part. So it started to

447
00:23:04,939 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 2: come a little bit together where you could start recognizing

448
00:23:08,250 --> 00:23:10,938
Speaker 2: this is the one that most likely, in my opinion

449
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Speaker 2: will make it at 18 years old.

450
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Speaker 2: Um

451
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Speaker 2: Because then he will make the next step. He will

452
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Speaker 2: be under 17, he will go to under 19 and

453
00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:21,750
Speaker 2: from there at the moment will come that he needs

454
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Speaker 2: to start making his debut and more or less that

455
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Speaker 2: plan worked and he was on the verge of, of

456
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Speaker 2: making his debut. And one of the things that uh

457
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Speaker 2: that uh before I started the, the second, let's say

458
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Speaker 2: the second, uh

459
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,180
Speaker 2: the new season after the first six months was one

460
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Speaker 2: of the requests from from the club. We want you

461
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Speaker 2: to bring more younger players slowly into the squad because

462
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Speaker 2: you have developed them and and

463
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Speaker 2: Oscar Vivo, a lot of other players guy Mizrahi at

464
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Speaker 2: that time, also players that, that made already, let's say

465
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Speaker 2: a move from under 92 2nd division slowly to bring

466
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Speaker 2: them inside because there was a lot of talent and

467
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Speaker 2: there still is a lot of talent.

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Speaker 1: I, I must say from my point of view, ok.

469
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Speaker 1: Um I was coaching against Oscar so it was like,

470
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Speaker 1: uh you can, you can, you can do nothing against him.

471
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Speaker 1: And uh when I know that under 15, when he

472
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Speaker 1: was playing with the, with the year that uh bigger

473
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Speaker 1: than him, he was, he was also like, he, he

474
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Speaker 1: was the top goal scorer in the team. And the

475
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Speaker 1: year after he stay in the under 15, as you say,

476
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Speaker 1: and every year, stay with his team with his age.

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Speaker 1: And

478
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Speaker 1: it was like, not, it's quality for me when I

479
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Speaker 1: saw him, I must to say for my opinion when

480
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Speaker 1: he was like in the under 17, under under 16,

481
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Speaker 1: he was like a player that can play in the

482
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Speaker 1: first team, not in the capital Avi but maybe in

483
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Speaker 1: the second division.

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Speaker 2: OK. But this is, this is a different subject. The

485
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,650
Speaker 2: two things that, that you don't know of as a

486
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Speaker 2: coach of, of another team is that outside of him

487
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,750
Speaker 2: playing in his own age group, the matches, he's training

488
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,589
Speaker 2: with the under 19 or as under 15, he's training

489
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 2: with the under 16

490
00:25:08,699 --> 00:25:10,859
Speaker 2: as on the 16 is training with the under 17.

491
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Speaker 2: So there are uh decisions in his development that still

492
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Speaker 2: give him the challenge of competing with others or with

493
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Speaker 2: older and that, that happened every year. So his challenges

494
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,989
Speaker 2: were always there but it was not in an official game.

495
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Speaker 2: I know it was in training sessions was old, it

496
00:25:27,670 --> 00:25:30,229
Speaker 2: was in training sessions with the first team or it

497
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Speaker 2: was in friendly games with the under 19 or with

498
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Speaker 2: the first team. And these are things that are happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but on training, on training when, when you see

500
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Speaker 1: Oscar again against the players that like bigger than him

501
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Speaker 1: and you see the quality that he has. I know

502
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, I think that he could like play in, in,

503
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Speaker 1: in the second division when he was like that in

504
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Speaker 2: that same season.

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Speaker 2: This is your opinion, in my opinion. And, and if you,

506
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Speaker 2: if you would have worked for Maccabi Tel Aviv, you

507
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: worked for him, for him to,

508
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Speaker 1: if I was his coach, ok. If I was his

509
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Speaker 1: coach in the under 15, under 16, I would tell

510
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Speaker 1: you immediately take him up, but

511
00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: that's supposed to be and this is, and you, you,

512
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Speaker 2: that's now one of the problems in Israeli football.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to win games because of him. I

514
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Speaker 2: want, no, no, no, but you are not looking at

515
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Speaker 2: what is the best in development. And I think that

516
00:26:37,469 --> 00:26:41,619
Speaker 2: the development has to come from, from taking the right decision.

517
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Speaker 2: If it's for three months, it's for three months to

518
00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: just send talented players up.

519
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Speaker 2: Israeli football loses a lot of talented players in this way.

520
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Speaker 2: So you are responsible, the excuse of the army. It's

521
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Speaker 2: a fake excuse. It's, it's an excuse is the development,

522
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Speaker 2: the way coaches are approaching football, the way coaches are

523
00:27:02,979 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: approaching talented players because what uh what would stop you

524
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Speaker 2: as a coach of a talented player to give him

525
00:27:11,010 --> 00:27:14,339
Speaker 2: extra attention or to ask for, for extra.

526
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Speaker 2: Um

527
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Speaker 2: And, and the other thing I want to tell you,

528
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Speaker 2: and this is that too many coaches think they know

529
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Speaker 2: the philosophy of the club. Uh if an academy as

530
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Speaker 2: an academy director, he's the one to take that decision,

531
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Speaker 2: not the coach because he's the one that is looking

532
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Speaker 2: for the long term or he knows that the first

533
00:27:35,569 --> 00:27:37,839
Speaker 2: team is not waiting for this player. So I need

534
00:27:37,849 --> 00:27:41,109
Speaker 2: to find a different path for him to develop. But

535
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:43,219
Speaker 2: next summer, I can get him into the training camp.

536
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Speaker 2: And this is exactly the steps I like to make,

537
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Speaker 2: not only to predict but also as I said in

538
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Speaker 2: the beginning, not to get players back to the academy.

539
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: If you deliver a player to the first team, it

540
00:27:55,170 --> 00:27:58,469
Speaker 2: means he needs to stay or he needs to stay

541
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Speaker 2: or go on loan from, from with you and

542
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Speaker 1: with you on this and with you totally. And I

543
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Speaker 1: would never say like on even or or something, everything

544
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Speaker 1: was perfect. But with Oscar, I think that Maccabi, the

545
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Speaker 1: first team of Maccabi could like

546
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Speaker 1: to see more can benefit

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Speaker 2: more from him. I don't, I don't agree. I don't

548
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Speaker 2: agree in this. I think that the moment he started now,

549
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Speaker 2: let's say to make his debut in the first team

550
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Speaker 2: was the moment because he didn't return to the youth.

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Speaker 2: And still there were moments that I think this, the

552
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Speaker 2: coach that, that

553
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Speaker 2: so called me made him debut in professional football, didn't

554
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Speaker 2: play him for 10 games also. So there is, there

555
00:28:41,329 --> 00:28:44,030
Speaker 2: are moments in a young player development

556
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Speaker 2: that it's all all too excited or he gets an

557
00:28:48,069 --> 00:28:52,530
Speaker 2: overload of, of training and Oscar likes to train. So

558
00:28:52,540 --> 00:28:56,060
Speaker 2: that means that every day he will be tired as

559
00:28:56,069 --> 00:28:58,750
Speaker 2: if he needs to be with the adults. And I

560
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,199
Speaker 2: think that you need to protect also. But to recognize

561
00:29:02,209 --> 00:29:04,310
Speaker 2: the talent is not difficult and there is a lot

562
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Speaker 2: of talented players that

563
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Speaker 2: didn't come to the first team of Maccabi, Tel Aviv

564
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Speaker 2: also in the period that I was not there that

565
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that they didn't make it. So we didn't

566
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Speaker 2: get

567
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Speaker 1: the chance. I want to ask you for a capital Aviv,

568
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Speaker 1: the different of Oscar to Maccabi, what the different like

569
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Speaker 1: from Gavi to Barcelona or from Yin

570
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Speaker 1: Barcelona. But you don't think that like they are in

571
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Speaker 1: the same age, they play like for Barcelona, it's like

572
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Speaker 1: the best team supposed to be the

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Speaker 2: best team in the world. No one grows up in

574
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Speaker 2: Spain and one grows up in Israel. That's one. The

575
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Speaker 2: second is that I think in that time, uh Barcelona

576
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Speaker 2: probably also evaluated or scout at Oscar and they didn't

577
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Speaker 2: make the offer,

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Speaker 1: uh, only after they got the offer from Red Bull.

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Speaker 2: So, and if you look at choices that he could make,

580
00:29:50,099 --> 00:29:52,790
Speaker 2: he made the best choice for his football career by

581
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Speaker 2: going to Salzburg because he's playing, he's playing in a

582
00:29:56,479 --> 00:30:00,109
Speaker 2: team that, that wants to dominate the games. But he

583
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:01,699
Speaker 2: is also playing a little bit in a, in a

584
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Speaker 2: physical way.

585
00:30:02,979 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: So he needs to continue his development at a young age.

586
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: I think they made the right choice and that he

587
00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:10,910
Speaker 2: now comes at a stage in his football career that

588
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Speaker 2: the next step should come

589
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Speaker 1: as an as an academy director because you are the

590
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Speaker 1: one that is leading the pat when you got that,

591
00:30:18,140 --> 00:30:21,589
Speaker 1: that position and you did it in a few clubs. It's,

592
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Speaker 1: it's I want to speak about coaches, it's difficult and

593
00:30:25,099 --> 00:30:27,410
Speaker 1: we see it in all football. We brought Castell Lega,

594
00:30:27,609 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: we brought Caster. There are not many coaches who are

595
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Speaker 1: the protagonist

596
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Speaker 1: who knows how to dominate the game and how to

597
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Speaker 1: lead the game and how to be the one with

598
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Speaker 1: the possession and how to do the build up. And

599
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Speaker 1: when you came to Cait Aviv Academy, did you recognize

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Speaker 1: that the coaches that you have in, in the academy

601
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Speaker 1: knows how to do it or they are more the

602
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Speaker 1: one that's reacting to the game.

603
00:30:51,459 --> 00:30:51,969
Speaker 2: Um

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Speaker 2: Well, my, my, my impression of, of the coaches before

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Speaker 2: I started to work at Maccabi Tel Aviv, I was, uh,

606
00:31:00,209 --> 00:31:03,380
Speaker 2: let's say, six months before that, I finished the job

607
00:31:03,390 --> 00:31:06,790
Speaker 2: in Kazakhstan. I was invited by, uh, by Jordy and

608
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,189
Speaker 2: Martin Bain at that time to, to give my view on,

609
00:31:10,199 --> 00:31:13,109
Speaker 2: on the academy. So I, I spent a few days

610
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Speaker 2: at the Maccabi Tel Aviv Academy at that time and

611
00:31:16,209 --> 00:31:17,930
Speaker 2: gave my findings to, uh,

612
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:21,380
Speaker 2: to, to the management of, of the club at that time.

613
00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:22,390
Speaker 2: Um

614
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,099
Speaker 2: I think that

615
00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:27,650
Speaker 2: a lot of coaches were doing their own thing

616
00:31:28,449 --> 00:31:32,300
Speaker 2: and, and one coach is influenced by the first team coach,

617
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:36,069
Speaker 2: another coach is influenced by youtube. Another coach thinks that

618
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,410
Speaker 2: he is the pep Guardiola of the under 15. So

619
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Speaker 2: you have too much uh of own ideas.

620
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Speaker 2: And I think to what I said, also to develop players,

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Speaker 2: you need a philosophy for a few seasons to be

622
00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:53,109
Speaker 2: sure that it comes out and also to be sure

623
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Speaker 2: what his best position will be. Um

624
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Speaker 2: And I think that that is one of the things

625
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Speaker 2: that I noticed that uh some coaches had their own

626
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Speaker 2: idea about how to play football, which was not always

627
00:32:06,209 --> 00:32:09,140
Speaker 2: beneficial or for the long term or for the players

628
00:32:09,729 --> 00:32:12,109
Speaker 2: and especially not for the club. So I think that

629
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Speaker 2: if you analyze clubs

630
00:32:14,589 --> 00:32:15,219
Speaker 2: that's who

631
00:32:16,239 --> 00:32:19,530
Speaker 2: let's say have been known to develop players, speaking about Ajax,

632
00:32:19,540 --> 00:32:22,979
Speaker 2: speaking about Barcelona, speaking about Manchester United for a long period,

633
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:26,300
Speaker 2: speaking about some of the Eastern European clubs

634
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Speaker 2: is that, that are the examples that you need to

635
00:32:29,229 --> 00:32:31,140
Speaker 2: take a look at? Ok. How much time did they

636
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:36,010
Speaker 2: take to develop these players? Uh, did the coach or

637
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:38,869
Speaker 2: an academy coach have his own idea or was there

638
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,890
Speaker 2: one idea of developing the players? And this is something that,

639
00:32:42,910 --> 00:32:48,130
Speaker 2: uh is difficult for coaches that are not, let's say,

640
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:51,599
Speaker 2: from a leading football country to accept that somebody comes in,

641
00:32:51,609 --> 00:32:53,650
Speaker 2: walks in a foreigner to tell them what to do.

642
00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:55,229
Speaker 2: And a,

643
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,010
Speaker 2: yeah, this is, this is something that, uh, that I

644
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:03,530
Speaker 2: believe strongly and, and which also let's say, made me

645
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:08,689
Speaker 2: successful in developing academies and developing teams for a longer period.

646
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Speaker 1: I must say that I really like your way of football,

647
00:33:12,020 --> 00:33:14,739
Speaker 1: the 4 to 3 and the rotation in the middle

648
00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:18,329
Speaker 1: and that you have two players wide on the line.

649
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:22,119
Speaker 1: And uh the way as you see football just, I

650
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: wanna have, uh one question that I, I want to

651
00:33:24,810 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: know like, why do you prefer from what I know?

652
00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:31,900
Speaker 1: Like the wing girls with the, with the, with the

653
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Speaker 1: foot

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Speaker 2: if you want an honest and I think it's a

655
00:33:36,739 --> 00:33:40,599
Speaker 2: stupid question. Stupid question. Yes, I know that he uh

656
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:44,069
Speaker 2: started this on, uh, on, uh the, the, the, what

657
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:45,510
Speaker 2: is it Twitter or whatever?

658
00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:50,439
Speaker 2: You are so funny in this, that if I put

659
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,329
Speaker 2: Cohen on the left and Eduardo on the right,

660
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Speaker 2: then why is it like that? Why not? If I

661
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Speaker 2: have a striker like Pica, that is also good with

662
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Speaker 2: the head? Do I expect go ahead to give me

663
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Speaker 2: a cross with the right foot from the, from the

664
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Speaker 2: O Eduardo. So that's one the second is, is, is

665
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Speaker 2: that the style of football that at some moments you

666
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: want to play is, is deciding for me 433 is

667
00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:17,679
Speaker 2: deciding

668
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:22,449
Speaker 2: play with one controlling midfielder or with two is a choice.

669
00:34:22,459 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: I make it a choice that also an opponent forces

670
00:34:25,370 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: you to make uh to play with left footed or

671
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:31,570
Speaker 2: right footed. Opposite is a choice that you make.

672
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:36,030
Speaker 2: The funny thing is that this question never comes when

673
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,370
Speaker 2: I play with Coenen and Jos to left foot at once.

674
00:34:39,688 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: It doesn't come when I play with two right foot once.

675
00:34:42,248 --> 00:34:42,819
Speaker 2: I'm not saying

676
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:43,668
Speaker 1: this about it. No, no,

677
00:34:43,678 --> 00:34:47,127
Speaker 2: no. But I mean, I mean that the choice of

678
00:34:47,138 --> 00:34:50,599
Speaker 2: wingers depends on what you, how you want to play.

679
00:34:50,608 --> 00:34:52,989
Speaker 2: Do you want crosses for pr or do you want

680
00:34:52,998 --> 00:34:57,658
Speaker 2: short combinations with Eduardo or with Alo? No, have them

681
00:34:57,668 --> 00:35:00,188
Speaker 1: both. If you have like the wing back or the

682
00:35:00,198 --> 00:35:03,059
Speaker 1: full back, he can make the course. This is the

683
00:35:03,418 --> 00:35:04,388
Speaker 1: that can shoot,

684
00:35:04,708 --> 00:35:07,658
Speaker 2: this is, this is a choice of tactics. It doesn't,

685
00:35:07,668 --> 00:35:08,739
Speaker 2: it doesn't

686
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,500
Speaker 2: come from the fact that I have a left footed

687
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: or a right footed on the wing. It's the style

688
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:14,989
Speaker 2: of play that you want to do. The overlap will

689
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,330
Speaker 2: come with the right footed player or with the left

690
00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:21,500
Speaker 2: footed player. So that means also that uh the cross

691
00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:26,158
Speaker 2: gives me two opportunities from the right footed winger or

692
00:35:26,169 --> 00:35:27,968
Speaker 2: the left footed winger or from the one that makes

693
00:35:27,979 --> 00:35:29,060
Speaker 2: the overlap. But you don't have

694
00:35:29,219 --> 00:35:32,939
Speaker 1: if, if them both, like if there are two left

695
00:35:32,949 --> 00:35:35,949
Speaker 1: foot on the left side, ok. So you can't, they

696
00:35:35,959 --> 00:35:38,138
Speaker 1: can't like shoot to go from that, that,

697
00:35:38,149 --> 00:35:40,299
Speaker 2: that is your choice as a co and this is

698
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:43,449
Speaker 2: my choice. And this is, these are the things that,

699
00:35:44,229 --> 00:35:45,159
Speaker 2: that, that are

700
00:35:45,169 --> 00:35:48,649
Speaker 1: not the reason was because you, you, you, you wanted

701
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,489
Speaker 1: the crosses to, this is the old,

702
00:35:51,399 --> 00:35:55,659
Speaker 2: not the parents take, for example, uh the first month

703
00:35:55,669 --> 00:35:58,529
Speaker 2: that I did when that we played by sheer for

704
00:35:58,540 --> 00:36:02,729
Speaker 2: the Super Cup. Blackman scored a goal because of a

705
00:36:02,739 --> 00:36:06,610
Speaker 2: good action of Eduardo until the end and him being

706
00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:08,939
Speaker 2: able to give the cross with the right foot, a

707
00:36:08,949 --> 00:36:11,739
Speaker 2: left footed player would have not given me this, a

708
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:13,290
Speaker 2: left footed player under pressure

709
00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:15,979
Speaker 2: on the right side can never deliver a good cross.

710
00:36:15,989 --> 00:36:18,339
Speaker 2: He will always control the ball. So a defender is

711
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:21,370
Speaker 2: always uh if he reads the moment, well, he can

712
00:36:21,379 --> 00:36:24,100
Speaker 2: always wait for that moment that he will control the

713
00:36:24,110 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 2: ball and then find the ball or find the moment

714
00:36:26,449 --> 00:36:30,530
Speaker 2: to tackle, um its choices, it's a style of play.

715
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,770
Speaker 2: It is something that

716
00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:37,330
Speaker 2: one season, let's say Guardiola plays with opposite winger the

717
00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:40,050
Speaker 2: other season, he plays with the left footed on the

718
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:42,590
Speaker 2: left and the right on the right. It is choices.

719
00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:45,929
Speaker 2: It is any choices. It is choices that coaches make. Yeah,

720
00:36:45,939 --> 00:36:46,158
Speaker 2: but

721
00:36:46,169 --> 00:36:48,810
Speaker 1: when it happened, I don't remember when Guardiola played with

722
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:51,149
Speaker 1: some winger on the right foot in the right side

723
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:53,050
Speaker 1: and the left foot on the, on the left side,

724
00:36:53,219 --> 00:36:55,340
Speaker 1: I don't remember something like this, but

725
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:56,489
Speaker 2: go, go check it

726
00:36:57,469 --> 00:37:00,709
Speaker 2: with Sterling or if it's with man or if it's

727
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: with grill or if it's with like on the opposite side,

728
00:37:04,850 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: they are not always like

729
00:37:05,889 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: sometimes like for on the left side, he put him now,

730
00:37:08,570 --> 00:37:13,259
Speaker 1: but it's not like us one side, he put like

731
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:16,090
Speaker 1: with the other with the opposite side in one side,

732
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,639
Speaker 1: if it's for sure, like or on the right or

733
00:37:18,649 --> 00:37:20,939
Speaker 1: on the left, he put like opposite for sure.

734
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,780
Speaker 2: And for me, honestly, I don't care,

735
00:37:24,449 --> 00:37:29,149
Speaker 2: I don't care. It's the, it's the choice that you make.

736
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:33,669
Speaker 2: It's the availability of players and it's a moment in

737
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,939
Speaker 2: developing your team that is there. It's an opportunity and

738
00:37:36,949 --> 00:37:38,709
Speaker 2: I don't see it as an extra

739
00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: what

740
00:37:40,129 --> 00:37:42,888
Speaker 1: you prefer. This is, it's true that you prefer that

741
00:37:42,909 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: the strong foot on the, on the, on the side

742
00:37:46,409 --> 00:37:49,649
Speaker 1: that if there are, if I'm right, strong foot on

743
00:37:49,669 --> 00:37:51,149
Speaker 1: the line you prefer me on the right?

744
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:56,659
Speaker 2: No, this is not correct. OK, because in, in, in Zoya,

745
00:37:56,729 --> 00:38:02,449
Speaker 2: I played with opposite. I played with same size, same side,

746
00:38:02,459 --> 00:38:05,590
Speaker 2: I play with opposite. I play the chapter the same,

747
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,830
Speaker 2: it's everywhere, the same discussion

748
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:11,169
Speaker 2: in a way of uh and, and part comes how

749
00:38:11,179 --> 00:38:13,649
Speaker 2: the player grew up, did he grow up on the

750
00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:14,979
Speaker 2: right side or did he grow up on the left?

751
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,060
Speaker 2: So the choice, the

752
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,250
Speaker 1: choice for the

753
00:38:19,879 --> 00:38:24,219
Speaker 2: discussion in, in, in a player is sometimes because simply

754
00:38:24,229 --> 00:38:25,290
Speaker 2: he played for four years

755
00:38:25,919 --> 00:38:29,158
Speaker 2: in that position. And now coach tells him to play

756
00:38:29,169 --> 00:38:29,750
Speaker 2: on the other

757
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: side. What I'm saying, what I tried to say in

758
00:38:31,610 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: the start when you say it's a stupid question when

759
00:38:33,729 --> 00:38:36,020
Speaker 1: I spoke with like coaches that was like coaching the

760
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:38,770
Speaker 1: new Maha Aviv in the yard development.

761
00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:41,860
Speaker 1: So they told me that if I want to put

762
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: like my wing, if he was like in the right foot,

763
00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:46,850
Speaker 1: if I want to put him on the left side,

764
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:49,609
Speaker 1: so you said, tell them no, only on the right.

765
00:38:50,219 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: So this is why

766
00:38:51,729 --> 00:38:55,639
Speaker 2: this question, but this is, this is part of a

767
00:38:55,649 --> 00:39:00,699
Speaker 2: bigger plan. This is the one because at the end,

768
00:39:01,989 --> 00:39:04,830
Speaker 2: at the end, they were allowed to

769
00:39:05,530 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: change sides to let players change side, to give the

770
00:39:10,129 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: signal to the players, to change side. If a player

771
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:16,350
Speaker 2: is not, let's say giving his best or looking unhappy

772
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: or he has some pit bull that's killing him on

773
00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:21,379
Speaker 2: that side. Ok. Go 5, 10 minutes to the other side,

774
00:39:21,389 --> 00:39:22,830
Speaker 2: come back into the game. And

775
00:39:23,659 --> 00:39:28,139
Speaker 2: uh, starting, let's say if we speak about football development

776
00:39:28,149 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 2: for me, there are certain things players coaches need to do.

777
00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:36,540
Speaker 2: And that means also that there is no other option.

778
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:39,549
Speaker 2: That means also that not only the player will be,

779
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,699
Speaker 2: let's say brainwashed. Also the culture will be brainwashed for

780
00:39:42,709 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: his feeling. Um But it is part of the bigger

781
00:39:46,129 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: picture that I want. First one

782
00:39:48,909 --> 00:39:52,060
Speaker 2: philosophy to be inside everybody's head

783
00:39:52,699 --> 00:39:56,689
Speaker 2: before I started at maccabi Tel Aviv without one training session,

784
00:39:56,699 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: without one moment of them showing me something. I told

785
00:40:01,969 --> 00:40:03,678
Speaker 2: them this is the way you are going to play.

786
00:40:03,729 --> 00:40:06,649
Speaker 2: This is the way you are going to train, everybody

787
00:40:06,659 --> 00:40:08,590
Speaker 2: is going to do it. You're the coach of under eight,

788
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: you do it like this, you're the coach of under 19,

789
00:40:10,929 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 2: you do it like this

790
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,299
Speaker 2: and this, this is the way I think

791
00:40:16,229 --> 00:40:20,030
Speaker 2: to start. And that means that ok, I don't, I don't,

792
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: I don't need to be the popular guy. I'm not

793
00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:24,929
Speaker 2: here to be the guy. And that means also that

794
00:40:24,939 --> 00:40:27,270
Speaker 2: I have to stop people from doing their own thing.

795
00:40:27,590 --> 00:40:31,259
Speaker 2: And to get in that direction, you need to be,

796
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: uh you need to be ready to lose people and

797
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:37,330
Speaker 2: I lost coaches. And I know that when you start

798
00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:40,779
Speaker 2: to develop players and the philosophy you will lose people,

799
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:41,649
Speaker 2: you will lose players,

800
00:40:42,139 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 2: you should never be afraid of that because the next

801
00:40:44,489 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: one is waiting or the next one is waiting to

802
00:40:47,010 --> 00:40:50,620
Speaker 2: be developed. So that is something that is part of

803
00:40:50,629 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: my philosophy that I like to develop. Not only players,

804
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:56,709
Speaker 2: uh I like to develop a philosophy that is there

805
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,929
Speaker 2: for the club. And that guarantees, let's say players for

806
00:41:00,939 --> 00:41:03,429
Speaker 2: the first team. But it also more or less gives

807
00:41:03,439 --> 00:41:05,770
Speaker 2: opportunities for coaches to grow into

808
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: professional football coaches. And some like to be a specialist

809
00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:12,459
Speaker 2: in under 15, some like to be in under 19

810
00:41:12,469 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: and some have the ambitions to, to go into adult football.

811
00:41:15,860 --> 00:41:18,199
Speaker 2: And this is something they will find out. But one

812
00:41:18,209 --> 00:41:19,250
Speaker 2: thing will always stay

813
00:41:20,189 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: is that the coaches that, that, that grow up in

814
00:41:23,090 --> 00:41:28,310
Speaker 2: a philosophy like that for, for, for their personal philosophy,

815
00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: go in the same direction, go in the same direction of,

816
00:41:31,409 --> 00:41:35,449
Speaker 2: of developing football in believing in it. It stays with

817
00:41:35,459 --> 00:41:39,709
Speaker 2: people because it's an organized structured way of, of looking

818
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:40,290
Speaker 2: at football,

819
00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:43,300
Speaker 2: which is assisting you and making life easy, not life

820
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:47,179
Speaker 1: difficult. I just, I must say that you benefit a

821
00:41:47,189 --> 00:41:50,699
Speaker 1: lot from, from your philosophy also for winger because they

822
00:41:50,709 --> 00:41:54,110
Speaker 1: like they know how to go forward if they, if they,

823
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,510
Speaker 1: if they have like the strong foot on the line.

824
00:41:56,689 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: So there there a possibility to go forward if you

825
00:41:59,570 --> 00:42:01,709
Speaker 1: are in the oppo opposite side,

826
00:42:01,969 --> 00:42:05,570
Speaker 1: they try with the technique, like to get into the middle. OK.

827
00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:09,100
Speaker 1: So it's better to, um, uh, for the game, like

828
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:12,100
Speaker 1: if you want to take it forward. But the creativity,

829
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,989
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, the, it's, you don't think like, uh,

830
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,810
Speaker 1: you lose something from this, from the, from the windows.

831
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,179
Speaker 1: You don't think that they lo lose something or all

832
00:42:21,189 --> 00:42:23,969
Speaker 1: the things that they on, one on one, the dribbles everything.

833
00:42:24,439 --> 00:42:25,949
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so

834
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,218
Speaker 2: because uh I'm not looking at the point of view

835
00:42:29,229 --> 00:42:31,870
Speaker 2: that from the 25 players in a group, let's say

836
00:42:31,879 --> 00:42:32,819
Speaker 2: in a youth team,

837
00:42:33,399 --> 00:42:35,020
Speaker 2: 25 are talented,

838
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: I think in every group. And this is something I

839
00:42:39,409 --> 00:42:43,129
Speaker 2: took from a long time. My aim as an academy

840
00:42:43,139 --> 00:42:47,020
Speaker 2: director is to deliver 4 to 8 talent, talent

841
00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:51,020
Speaker 2: and um for at the end for the head coach

842
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:53,020
Speaker 2: and the sport director to make the choice which one

843
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:56,250
Speaker 2: we keep, which one goes out, which one? Uh we,

844
00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:56,969
Speaker 2: we can sell

845
00:42:57,689 --> 00:43:00,030
Speaker 2: and this is the way I look at it. So

846
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,229
Speaker 2: the two players that are overly talented like the gloss

847
00:43:03,469 --> 00:43:07,250
Speaker 2: or uh Vivo or Tuman, they will find their way,

848
00:43:07,610 --> 00:43:10,370
Speaker 2: but they will benefit from the discipline and the demands

849
00:43:10,379 --> 00:43:14,620
Speaker 2: that they have every day. Uh players like like uh

850
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,169
Speaker 2: or a Vivo or needs or shaka, they benefit also

851
00:43:20,179 --> 00:43:23,580
Speaker 2: from putting their energy into a system and knowing my

852
00:43:23,590 --> 00:43:27,929
Speaker 2: teammates are responsible for certain parts also, instead of going

853
00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 2: all over the place and with

854
00:43:29,929 --> 00:43:34,020
Speaker 1: the academic discussion behind us, uh we just another two

855
00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:35,459
Speaker 1: questions about it. Um

856
00:43:37,459 --> 00:43:43,350
Speaker 1: You had a strong view regarding what you allow your

857
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,529
Speaker 1: players during the contract uh discussions and you lost talented

858
00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: guys because of that guys that wanted a release to Europe.

859
00:43:53,969 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: Basically a poll took you at that time. It was

860
00:43:56,889 --> 00:44:00,139
Speaker 1: Lemkin but you just came, it was also Senio, it

861
00:44:00,149 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: was ta abed, I think on that same uh same discussion.

862
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,580
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't remember the

863
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,179
Speaker 2: story was already gone before me. OK?

864
00:44:08,350 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: But, but you lost some guys on that or I

865
00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:13,979
Speaker 1: think they took you some guys because of that. When

866
00:44:13,989 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: you look back on that retrospect, do you think it

867
00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:20,199
Speaker 1: was still the right decision to insist on them not

868
00:44:20,209 --> 00:44:22,100
Speaker 1: getting the release close to Europe?

869
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:26,010
Speaker 2: Uh Yes, there are two things for that. First of all,

870
00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:27,750
Speaker 2: I think that Maccabi Tel Aviv puts a lot of

871
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,060
Speaker 2: money in the academy. So that means also that Maccabi

872
00:44:31,070 --> 00:44:34,250
Speaker 2: Tel Aviv is taking charge of the development of uh of,

873
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:35,689
Speaker 2: of let's say the sun.

874
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 2: That means also that uh before, before I came because

875
00:44:40,969 --> 00:44:42,889
Speaker 2: that is one of the things I try to uh

876
00:44:42,899 --> 00:44:45,110
Speaker 2: reduce or to take out is that parents need to

877
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,129
Speaker 2: pay because if you pay, you have a feeling that

878
00:44:48,139 --> 00:44:51,219
Speaker 2: you are in charge of your son's career because I

879
00:44:51,229 --> 00:44:53,729
Speaker 2: pay you to develop my son. So that means that

880
00:44:53,739 --> 00:44:56,199
Speaker 2: I need to get something back. So that more or

881
00:44:56,209 --> 00:44:58,219
Speaker 2: less was one of the things that changed directly is

882
00:44:58,229 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: that from, from a certain age you don't, players are

883
00:45:01,810 --> 00:45:05,010
Speaker 2: not paying anymore. Macabi Tel Aviv takes charge, you train extra,

884
00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:06,129
Speaker 2: you get extra coaches,

885
00:45:06,489 --> 00:45:09,620
Speaker 2: you don't uh uh you only have to come, you

886
00:45:09,629 --> 00:45:10,509
Speaker 2: only have to show up.

887
00:45:11,330 --> 00:45:14,729
Speaker 2: Um That's one the second thing that you take away

888
00:45:14,739 --> 00:45:18,060
Speaker 2: also directly is the feeling of, of parents thinking they

889
00:45:18,070 --> 00:45:19,790
Speaker 2: are in charge of their son's career.

890
00:45:20,469 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: The play is mentioned by you

891
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,379
Speaker 2: for me, they were not on the list of top talents.

892
00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: So being being let's say, evaluated as not being a

893
00:45:30,610 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: top talent, my advice to a club is differently

894
00:45:35,429 --> 00:45:39,979
Speaker 2: worth it or not worth it. I think that salaries

895
00:45:40,090 --> 00:45:42,750
Speaker 2: shoot up to be 18 years old should not be

896
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:43,370
Speaker 2: important

897
00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:50,179
Speaker 2: because you are willing to develop my remark to parents

898
00:45:50,189 --> 00:45:52,500
Speaker 2: was always why you don't ask me why my son

899
00:45:52,739 --> 00:45:53,889
Speaker 2: doesn't train extra.

900
00:45:54,989 --> 00:45:59,330
Speaker 2: Why parents hire a psychologist? Why parents hire a fitness coach?

901
00:45:59,340 --> 00:46:03,219
Speaker 2: Why parents hire a technical coach? Why parents uh need

902
00:46:03,229 --> 00:46:07,679
Speaker 2: to hire a mathematics teacher extra or something? Why you

903
00:46:07,689 --> 00:46:09,679
Speaker 2: don't demand this from me? You want my son to

904
00:46:09,689 --> 00:46:12,649
Speaker 2: play football eight times in the week, make sure that

905
00:46:12,659 --> 00:46:15,330
Speaker 2: all these things are arranged and then you have him

906
00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:20,489
Speaker 2: the age of 15 in the ruling in Israeli football

907
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:24,070
Speaker 2: is an age where some of the parents go crazy

908
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:26,689
Speaker 2: speaking about. Ok, my son

909
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,810
Speaker 2: football is finished football becomes business. I want this amount

910
00:46:32,610 --> 00:46:35,419
Speaker 2: for my son and I want the contract, ok? If

911
00:46:35,429 --> 00:46:36,718
Speaker 2: you then confront them

912
00:46:37,399 --> 00:46:40,330
Speaker 2: with your son is not a talented player, so we

913
00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:42,620
Speaker 2: are not going to pay you money, but he can

914
00:46:42,629 --> 00:46:45,459
Speaker 2: continue his development within the club. And if he does

915
00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:47,179
Speaker 2: well in one year, two years and we

916
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,149
Speaker 2: want him to offer a contract, we will get back

917
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:51,540
Speaker 2: to you and some

918
00:46:52,229 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: parents try also to play the, the,

919
00:46:56,399 --> 00:47:00,489
Speaker 2: the the how to say it training in a foreign academy. Yeah,

920
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. But if a club put so much money

921
00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:06,340
Speaker 2: in an academy, it is a very unpolite question

922
00:47:07,179 --> 00:47:09,549
Speaker 2: to ask for your son to train somewhere else. But

923
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,129
Speaker 2: this is a deal

924
00:47:10,139 --> 00:47:11,100
Speaker 1: breaker because think

925
00:47:11,110 --> 00:47:14,729
Speaker 2: that why is it a deal breaker in Israel? It's

926
00:47:14,739 --> 00:47:14,909
Speaker 2: a deal

927
00:47:16,219 --> 00:47:18,649
Speaker 1: only in Israel. But what I want to ask, like

928
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:23,110
Speaker 1: you prefer to lose them all this kind of talented

929
00:47:23,129 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: and to another club in Israel.

930
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't care. But

931
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: in this thing, you said something else, you said that

932
00:47:31,669 --> 00:47:34,770
Speaker 1: in those moments when there was the age of 15,

933
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: you didn't saw them as top talent.

934
00:47:37,409 --> 00:47:40,129
Speaker 1: The names dimension wasn't

935
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: a is a different story. He was injured, he broke

936
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:46,069
Speaker 2: his leg, he was injured for six months and we

937
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 2: just simply told him, listen, get fit soon, first play

938
00:47:49,489 --> 00:47:52,060
Speaker 2: in the under 16, we will get back the moment

939
00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 2: that you are playing. Ok? If then

940
00:47:54,649 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: the parents think, ok, I'm sorry, my son broke his leg.

941
00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:59,830
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for the medical care. But we

942
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,350
Speaker 2: go to another club. It's something else. It's their decision.

943
00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:06,429
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with giving them the money.

944
00:48:06,439 --> 00:48:09,350
Speaker 2: It's purely a point of view of football development. You

945
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,939
Speaker 2: have been injured for a long period. Show us that

946
00:48:11,949 --> 00:48:13,639
Speaker 2: you are fit again and we get back on the

947
00:48:13,649 --> 00:48:14,820
Speaker 2: table and it was about

948
00:48:14,830 --> 00:48:17,859
Speaker 1: money because I know that didn't like bring them money

949
00:48:20,050 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: to go to a play, a board like to play

950
00:48:23,139 --> 00:48:23,689
Speaker 1: for free.

951
00:48:23,699 --> 00:48:26,229
Speaker 2: That is maybe what they tell you. But I,

952
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:30,649
Speaker 2: what I'm telling was part of it. That means that,

953
00:48:30,659 --> 00:48:34,159
Speaker 2: that you are not informed correctly because the simple fact

954
00:48:34,169 --> 00:48:36,429
Speaker 2: was he broke his leg before. No,

955
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,689
Speaker 1: I'm saying about s and Lemkin.

956
00:48:39,219 --> 00:48:41,949
Speaker 2: Ok. But listen, but with all these names so we

957
00:48:41,959 --> 00:48:44,570
Speaker 2: can speak about names. The point of view of parents

958
00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:47,830
Speaker 2: is my son turns 15. You need to give me money.

959
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: If not, I go. Ok.

960
00:48:50,429 --> 00:48:53,459
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry if I don't think at that moment

961
00:48:53,469 --> 00:48:56,770
Speaker 2: that and I'm responsible for it to advise the club

962
00:48:56,780 --> 00:48:58,969
Speaker 2: not to do it, then I have my reasons for that.

963
00:48:59,189 --> 00:49:00,350
Speaker 2: And I don't think I'm wrong

964
00:49:01,310 --> 00:49:02,299
Speaker 2: in this way. That's,

965
00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:05,149
Speaker 1: that's, that's only because the under 15 rule in Israel.

966
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean it wouldn't happen in

967
00:49:07,449 --> 00:49:09,620
Speaker 2: be no, but the question would not come in pay

968
00:49:10,169 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: because because the the compensation starts at 12 years old.

969
00:49:14,929 --> 00:49:17,830
Speaker 2: So to pay and any amount is different if you

970
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,100
Speaker 2: need to pay after four years of, let's say maha

971
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: T Aviv $100,000 you think he will even call? No,

972
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: because he knows he will not get $100,000. So simply

973
00:49:28,090 --> 00:49:28,770
Speaker 2: the ruling

974
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:33,350
Speaker 2: uh is, is, is creating in part of the parents

975
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: uh even in the not talented parents and a moment

976
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:39,899
Speaker 2: where they think, OK, my son can get some money.

977
00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:42,669
Speaker 1: OK. Do you, do you have any regret on, on

978
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: your time? On the? No, no,

979
00:49:44,429 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: no, no, not one in this case, uh

980
00:49:47,689 --> 00:49:50,870
Speaker 2: players come and go. I think that at all times,

981
00:49:50,879 --> 00:49:55,179
Speaker 2: Maccabi Tel Aviv had talented players to reach the first team.

982
00:49:55,350 --> 00:50:00,379
Speaker 2: Uh some talent, some generations are more talented, but I

983
00:50:00,389 --> 00:50:03,090
Speaker 2: think that's why I called the number 4 to 8

984
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:06,429
Speaker 2: talented players to deliver. Uh I think this should always

985
00:50:06,439 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 2: be possible to come from uh from under 19 and

986
00:50:10,409 --> 00:50:13,389
Speaker 2: even better in a solution of an under 21 team.

987
00:50:13,689 --> 00:50:15,939
Speaker 2: You should make it possible to have 4 to 8

988
00:50:15,949 --> 00:50:18,729
Speaker 2: talented players to make the squad and some of them

989
00:50:18,739 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: to make the 1st 11. I

990
00:50:20,570 --> 00:50:24,149
Speaker 1: want to take you back to the 2020. It's the,

991
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:27,949
Speaker 1: it's the COVID uh time you took the team to

992
00:50:27,959 --> 00:50:32,949
Speaker 1: the training uh training camp in Jerusalem if I remember correctly.

993
00:50:33,370 --> 00:50:36,250
Speaker 1: And then uh uh G Donis came to be the

994
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:38,989
Speaker 1: head coach things didn't work out. You took the job

995
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,770
Speaker 1: uh near theem. Then came the amazing run

996
00:50:43,929 --> 00:50:45,989
Speaker 1: at that point for you.

997
00:50:46,979 --> 00:50:49,179
Speaker 1: When you saw the opportunity to become the coach of

998
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: Maccabi Tel Aviv, did you thought it will be your

999
00:50:51,449 --> 00:50:53,969
Speaker 1: direction for the next years or? So,

1000
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:59,270
Speaker 2: let's say like this the first, what was it? We started,

1001
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,679
Speaker 2: I think around 20th on a Monday

1002
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,830
Speaker 2: until the beginning of August. I think we finalized the

1003
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,389
Speaker 2: two State Cup matches at that time. The Super Cup,

1004
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,340
Speaker 2: the Super Cup was on two games at that time

1005
00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:14,739
Speaker 2: against Beersheba.

1006
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:16,370
Speaker 2: And, uh,

1007
00:51:17,969 --> 00:51:21,029
Speaker 2: at that time, Barack and me, we, we had some

1008
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,100
Speaker 2: talks with different, uh, coaches

1009
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:28,379
Speaker 2: and more or less. We were not joking but looking at, ok,

1010
00:51:28,389 --> 00:51:30,620
Speaker 2: what will happen? We have only a few days left

1011
00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:35,819
Speaker 2: and it's ok bringing candidates to the owner,

1012
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: um, for them to decide. And Barack looked at me

1013
00:51:40,330 --> 00:51:42,158
Speaker 2: and said, listen, Patrick, if it goes wrong,

1014
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,009
Speaker 2: you need to start the season because then you are

1015
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: the only one candidate that we have for us to

1016
00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: start the season. Uh, can we offer this? I said, listen,

1017
00:51:53,050 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 2: if this is the only way, of course, I do it,

1018
00:51:55,659 --> 00:51:58,870
Speaker 2: I'm, I'm here. I know the players. I know, uh,

1019
00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:01,899
Speaker 2: what they have done. I said, but you have to

1020
00:52:01,909 --> 00:52:04,199
Speaker 2: imagine that I want to do it

1021
00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:08,429
Speaker 2: my way. So don't tell me what to do or

1022
00:52:08,439 --> 00:52:11,530
Speaker 2: tell me to play with five or whatever. I said,

1023
00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:14,350
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it because I saw it as an

1024
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,509
Speaker 2: opportunity to show the academy coaches

1025
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,939
Speaker 2: what we are doing for this whole period in the

1026
00:52:20,949 --> 00:52:23,189
Speaker 2: academy can work on the first team. We'll work in

1027
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,589
Speaker 2: the first team also because this is the way you

1028
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,509
Speaker 2: speak with coaches and the way to, to show them

1029
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,419
Speaker 2: that it's possible. So this is what we were doing.

1030
00:52:32,010 --> 00:52:35,550
Speaker 2: Um, ok, there was no coaching stuff. So at that time,

1031
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,679
Speaker 2: I said, ok, then the two coaches, then the 19

1032
00:52:38,689 --> 00:52:40,770
Speaker 2: head coach and I'm the 17 head coach at that time,

1033
00:52:40,780 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 2: only David and a, as I said, you guys will

1034
00:52:43,489 --> 00:52:45,949
Speaker 2: assist me and, uh, more or less, we decided this

1035
00:52:45,959 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: on a Sunday and a Monday we needed to start. Um,

1036
00:52:50,479 --> 00:52:54,229
Speaker 2: so we started and, uh, ok, you, you, you meet

1037
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,050
Speaker 2: the team, everybody knows. Of course, yes, it's for the

1038
00:52:57,060 --> 00:52:59,899
Speaker 2: moment until, uh, head coach is coming.

1039
00:53:00,979 --> 00:53:03,070
Speaker 2: And I explained also at that time, I said, I'm

1040
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 2: here to make you fit for the season. And I

1041
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:09,679
Speaker 2: have my ideas and some of them, of course, had

1042
00:53:09,689 --> 00:53:12,179
Speaker 2: our younger brothers in the, in the team, so they

1043
00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: knew what, what could happen or which direction it would go.

1044
00:53:15,469 --> 00:53:17,638
Speaker 2: And we started to work from the first day with,

1045
00:53:17,649 --> 00:53:21,540
Speaker 2: with playing football and playing a different style of football

1046
00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:25,979
Speaker 2: because that was also, uh, I told him also that

1047
00:53:25,989 --> 00:53:28,179
Speaker 2: time and I also said it here and the, the

1048
00:53:28,189 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: coaches

1049
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,389
Speaker 2: in the IFA, I said I'm not a fan of five.

1050
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 2: I will play from 433. Whatever happens within the 433

1051
00:53:36,489 --> 00:53:40,388
Speaker 2: is a possibility. I said done by you or done by, by,

1052
00:53:40,399 --> 00:53:41,310
Speaker 2: by my decisions.

1053
00:53:42,379 --> 00:53:45,649
Speaker 2: And, uh we started to work and I tried to,

1054
00:53:45,659 --> 00:53:47,689
Speaker 2: to implement all the things we were doing in the

1055
00:53:47,699 --> 00:53:51,750
Speaker 2: academy from, from the team sessions to align training sessions

1056
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,739
Speaker 2: to work individually and, and to do more or less

1057
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:58,739
Speaker 2: in the com combination with uh you sign on the

1058
00:53:58,750 --> 00:54:01,250
Speaker 2: physical coach to make sure that the team would be

1059
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:02,729
Speaker 2: ready for when the coach was coming

1060
00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:06,270
Speaker 2: and you won the Super Cup. We, we, well, the

1061
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: most important thing for me was that we changed the

1062
00:54:09,610 --> 00:54:13,250
Speaker 2: style of football within one month because we, we try

1063
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: to press, we tried to play higher and we

1064
00:54:16,530 --> 00:54:20,409
Speaker 1: tried to, even though it was a champion team. Yes,

1065
00:54:20,959 --> 00:54:24,299
Speaker 2: but it was also a team that played more from

1066
00:54:24,310 --> 00:54:28,908
Speaker 2: defense than, than from dominating with uh with attacking football

1067
00:54:28,919 --> 00:54:29,790
Speaker 2: or with high press.

1068
00:54:30,479 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: So this is something that we did in the academy

1069
00:54:33,050 --> 00:54:35,050
Speaker 2: and what I wanted to try to do in the

1070
00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:37,580
Speaker 2: first day, that was the intention, it was not the

1071
00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:38,540
Speaker 2: intention to

1072
00:54:39,350 --> 00:54:41,899
Speaker 2: stay the head coach for a longer period because otherwise

1073
00:54:41,909 --> 00:54:44,949
Speaker 2: they could have made the decision directly, more or less

1074
00:54:44,959 --> 00:54:45,149
Speaker 2: you

1075
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:48,158
Speaker 1: knew from the get go that eventually there will be

1076
00:54:48,169 --> 00:54:48,229
Speaker 1: a

1077
00:54:48,379 --> 00:54:51,149
Speaker 2: because I was involved in, in in the, in the

1078
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:58,388
Speaker 2: interviews with, with different, no, you cannot say this. No

1079
00:54:58,399 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: because at the end, Barack and I spoke with the,

1080
00:55:02,850 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 2: with the candidates and at the end it's

1081
00:55:05,219 --> 00:55:08,259
Speaker 2: is the owner and this representative to

1082
00:55:08,270 --> 00:55:09,489
Speaker 1: give a good on,

1083
00:55:10,179 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: we checked, let's say the things B and I agreed

1084
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: on football needs to come from 433. We want to

1085
00:55:17,610 --> 00:55:20,659
Speaker 2: play an attacking style of football. We want to implement

1086
00:55:20,669 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 2: younger players was much, much

1087
00:55:22,409 --> 00:55:25,129
Speaker 1: more fit to ma than what I can

1088
00:55:25,139 --> 00:55:28,330
Speaker 2: say. So this, this was our intention and we spoke

1089
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: with different ones and at the end,

1090
00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: people need to enjoy to take the decision about you.

1091
00:55:33,739 --> 00:55:36,679
Speaker 1: Enjoy the three months. No, no what we do. I

1092
00:55:36,689 --> 00:55:38,590
Speaker 1: want to ask you if you enjoy to be a

1093
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,750
Speaker 1: coach of the first team more than to be in

1094
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,129
Speaker 1: control of the art academy.

1095
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: What let's say at, at after a few years. No,

1096
00:55:46,729 --> 00:55:49,939
Speaker 2: it's not about what you prefer. After a few years

1097
00:55:49,949 --> 00:55:52,810
Speaker 2: being an academy director, you want also to develop and

1098
00:55:52,820 --> 00:55:55,859
Speaker 2: make your next step. That step for me was to

1099
00:55:55,870 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: be together with Barack and to mentor Barack also a

1100
00:55:58,610 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: little bit and ok, this is the way you develop

1101
00:56:01,570 --> 00:56:05,419
Speaker 2: players or you develop coaches and um and to make

1102
00:56:05,429 --> 00:56:08,659
Speaker 2: sure that we, we grow the club further and also

1103
00:56:08,669 --> 00:56:11,379
Speaker 2: to bring more the the academy and closer

1104
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,209
Speaker 2: to uh to the first day. And this was something

1105
00:56:15,219 --> 00:56:18,569
Speaker 2: that was interesting for me without, right, because then you

1106
00:56:18,580 --> 00:56:20,780
Speaker 2: have to think about the next step for me would

1107
00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: be or to be sport director. And, and I never

1108
00:56:23,810 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: closed the door because I took the, the pro license

1109
00:56:26,770 --> 00:56:27,429
Speaker 2: in Ukraine

1110
00:56:28,139 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: in 2009 with the intention to help the club to

1111
00:56:32,330 --> 00:56:35,989
Speaker 2: get a better evaluation as an academy. But also for

1112
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,669
Speaker 2: me to take the opportunity that if somebody opens the

1113
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:41,159
Speaker 2: door to evaluate if it's possible

1114
00:56:41,449 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: and, and

1115
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:45,780
Speaker 1: Donny started the season, he did well on Europe. Uh

1116
00:56:45,790 --> 00:56:50,090
Speaker 1: Then the league started, it was a mess. We saw it.

1117
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:50,489
Speaker 1: Uh

1118
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,780
Speaker 1: Even though the result in the beginning was a little

1119
00:56:53,790 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: bit shaky. We saw that it is not like something

1120
00:56:57,010 --> 00:56:59,639
Speaker 1: that uh we didn't see a pat of football from,

1121
00:56:59,649 --> 00:57:03,010
Speaker 1: from Donny. So he, he got dismissed and you got

1122
00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:05,469
Speaker 1: the job. But I want to ask you about because

1123
00:57:05,479 --> 00:57:08,570
Speaker 1: you haven't comment on that. I think since you left

1124
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:11,429
Speaker 1: Maccabi Tel Aviv, when Donny left Maccabi Tel Aviv, he

1125
00:57:11,439 --> 00:57:14,310
Speaker 1: said on an interview that he felt that you and

1126
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: Barack are pushing him outside of the club. So you

1127
00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:18,540
Speaker 1: will take the job as the head coach.

1128
00:57:19,129 --> 00:57:21,179
Speaker 1: That was an interview that he gave to Ye Tuchman

1129
00:57:21,189 --> 00:57:26,209
Speaker 1: at that time. Um I want to hear your version

1130
00:57:26,219 --> 00:57:28,030
Speaker 1: to that uh to that story.

1131
00:57:29,389 --> 00:57:29,860
Speaker 2: Um

1132
00:57:30,929 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: No, uh we at that time because let's say we

1133
00:57:35,090 --> 00:57:38,929
Speaker 2: were part of the search for, for a candidate. Uh We,

1134
00:57:38,939 --> 00:57:41,290
Speaker 2: we gave it to the management. And after that, our

1135
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:44,550
Speaker 2: job was to, to assist him in getting the best

1136
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,330
Speaker 2: opportunity and so on because my, my job was not

1137
00:57:49,479 --> 00:57:52,649
Speaker 2: to follow the first team in all activities. That was

1138
00:57:52,659 --> 00:57:56,860
Speaker 2: Bak's part in, let's say, in the football department that

1139
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:58,179
Speaker 2: Maccabi Tel Aviv created.

1140
00:57:58,959 --> 00:58:02,010
Speaker 2: So we were together at some moments, we were evaluating

1141
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:04,979
Speaker 2: our situation. What we wanted. Are we going in the direction?

1142
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:09,659
Speaker 2: Uh Simple thing, are we playing 4, 33 or 532?

1143
00:58:09,669 --> 00:58:12,219
Speaker 2: So these are the things that you, that you evaluate,

1144
00:58:12,229 --> 00:58:15,020
Speaker 2: which is not done by, by us. And

1145
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:18,780
Speaker 2: as I said before, uh to start the season, as

1146
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:21,250
Speaker 2: a coach was for me an opportunity to show the

1147
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:24,530
Speaker 2: academy coaches if you ever come to a first team

1148
00:58:24,540 --> 00:58:25,780
Speaker 2: or you get an opportunity,

1149
00:58:26,729 --> 00:58:29,310
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you do, you can do the same.

1150
00:58:29,330 --> 00:58:31,709
Speaker 2: It is how you bring it and how you explain it.

1151
00:58:32,489 --> 00:58:36,669
Speaker 2: Um So in that period, we just shared our opinion

1152
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,820
Speaker 2: also with, with him but was close to the players.

1153
00:58:39,830 --> 00:58:42,899
Speaker 2: He came from that group so he could share the

1154
00:58:42,909 --> 00:58:46,149
Speaker 2: feeling of, of players with, uh with the coach and,

1155
00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:49,370
Speaker 2: and this, this is merely what we did so

1156
00:58:49,550 --> 00:58:51,979
Speaker 1: interpreted it like you are trying to push him out

1157
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:53,979
Speaker 1: when you, when you told him the players

1158
00:58:55,179 --> 00:58:58,669
Speaker 2: put himself out, I think. Well, what you say is

1159
00:58:58,679 --> 00:58:59,899
Speaker 2: correct is, is

1160
00:59:00,820 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: international campaign, let's say was good.

1161
00:59:05,449 --> 00:59:09,750
Speaker 2: And um but it didn't match with the, with the league.

1162
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,310
Speaker 2: Um And it is luck in the, in the COVID

1163
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,370
Speaker 2: period was only one game each round. So you make

1164
00:59:16,379 --> 00:59:19,909
Speaker 2: quicker success if you draw until the, if you make

1165
00:59:19,919 --> 00:59:22,639
Speaker 2: a good draw. Yeah, then, uh so yeah,

1166
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: so you took the job, you won the cup. Is

1167
00:59:26,330 --> 00:59:27,949
Speaker 1: this the best moment for you as a coach, the

1168
00:59:27,959 --> 00:59:28,850
Speaker 1: cup or not?

1169
00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:32,889
Speaker 2: Well, well, I, I must say that the best

1170
00:59:33,739 --> 00:59:37,949
Speaker 2: feeling from, from that period was the winning of the

1171
00:59:37,959 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: games and the winning of the games with different lineups

1172
00:59:41,409 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: because more or less if, if candle played or Geralda,

1173
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:49,010
Speaker 2: it was no different. David Zada or Sabo it and

1174
00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:51,429
Speaker 2: this was more or less, uh

1175
00:59:52,659 --> 00:59:56,659
Speaker 2: coming from the, from the tight schedule 34 days. And

1176
00:59:56,669 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: at that time, the group was with the right quality

1177
01:00:00,149 --> 01:00:02,879
Speaker 2: of being able to still play at a high level

1178
01:00:02,889 --> 01:00:04,479
Speaker 2: with different types of players.

1179
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:08,989
Speaker 2: And that was the biggest pleasure because there you could

1180
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,790
Speaker 2: see that working every day with the team, uh and

1181
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,629
Speaker 2: players more or less flipping the coin. Will I play

1182
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:17,419
Speaker 2: tomorrow or not? On a Friday

1183
01:00:18,139 --> 01:00:20,389
Speaker 2: was giving a lot of motivation and a lot of

1184
01:00:20,399 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 2: good feeling within the team that everybody was part of it.

1185
01:00:22,929 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: I

1186
01:00:23,050 --> 01:00:25,639
Speaker 1: must say something. It's interesting that you are saying this

1187
01:00:25,649 --> 01:00:29,750
Speaker 1: because also when you was like on the academy for you,

1188
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,719
Speaker 1: there is never like 1st 1st 11 and that's it always,

1189
01:00:34,729 --> 01:00:37,570
Speaker 1: you really care about also the other players

1190
01:00:38,064 --> 01:00:41,014
Speaker 1: and then there is no not substitution players in the

1191
01:00:41,024 --> 01:00:44,514
Speaker 1: first team. You, you take care of it. Like for

1192
01:00:44,524 --> 01:00:47,784
Speaker 1: everyone you want to play in you, you didn't want

1193
01:00:47,794 --> 01:00:48,844
Speaker 1: to lose anyone

1194
01:00:49,185 --> 01:00:51,375
Speaker 2: on the youth academy. I think up to uh to

1195
01:00:51,385 --> 01:00:54,774
Speaker 2: under 17, you cannot demand every week to play with

1196
01:00:54,784 --> 01:00:58,135
Speaker 2: the same 11 years, I think. Yes, under 17. Um

1197
01:00:58,754 --> 01:01:00,395
Speaker 2: I look at it from 16 years old, you can

1198
01:01:00,405 --> 01:01:02,625
Speaker 2: make your debut in the first team. There are players

1199
01:01:02,635 --> 01:01:03,625
Speaker 2: that could be ready.

1200
01:01:04,149 --> 01:01:06,610
Speaker 2: Ok? In Israel, I think it's less than in Europe,

1201
01:01:06,620 --> 01:01:09,350
Speaker 2: but you should be ready. So there a coach has

1202
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more opportunity to play the 1st 11

1203
01:01:12,010 --> 01:01:15,250
Speaker 2: and more often, but still substitutions have to be done.

1204
01:01:16,219 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember at my discussions with at that time

1205
01:01:21,610 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: or about a player of a central defender, tall guy.

1206
01:01:27,949 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: You have youth players that

1207
01:01:31,139 --> 01:01:33,179
Speaker 2: if you are close to 2 m and you have

1208
01:01:33,189 --> 01:01:36,159
Speaker 2: to play against 1 m, 50 players, sometimes you can

1209
01:01:36,169 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: look bad. But if you play against 181 190 you

1210
01:01:39,090 --> 01:01:39,679
Speaker 2: look good.

1211
01:01:40,389 --> 01:01:43,879
Speaker 2: So I wanted to uh to show or that the

1212
01:01:43,889 --> 01:01:46,770
Speaker 2: players should have more uh more opportunity to play.

1213
01:01:48,899 --> 01:01:51,159
Speaker 2: And he looked at me. I said, ok, you don't

1214
01:01:51,169 --> 01:01:53,399
Speaker 2: believe me. Ok, send them to me. So that was

1215
01:01:53,409 --> 01:01:56,060
Speaker 2: on the 19th to first off as soon he made

1216
01:01:56,070 --> 01:01:59,290
Speaker 2: his debut in the whole group of total, uh, the

1217
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: total cup.

1218
01:02:01,070 --> 01:02:02,989
Speaker 2: And I showed him and I spoke with him after

1219
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,739
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you have to trust more in, in

1220
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:09,030
Speaker 2: qualities of players and sometimes to look beyond what you

1221
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,149
Speaker 2: see on the field, you have to look at the

1222
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: qualities

1223
01:02:12,510 --> 01:02:17,610
Speaker 2: and, uh, these are sometimes moments for coaches to, to understand. Yeah,

1224
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:19,629
Speaker 2: I have to trust one player more or I have

1225
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:21,929
Speaker 2: to trust my team more, um,

1226
01:02:22,939 --> 01:02:25,250
Speaker 2: to, to, to that they are able to deliver a

1227
01:02:25,260 --> 01:02:29,050
Speaker 2: higher quality because playing, let's say young in, in by

1228
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: the Tel Aviv or playing with under 19 against second division,

1229
01:02:32,209 --> 01:02:35,550
Speaker 2: with under 17 against the under 19 is part of

1230
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,739
Speaker 2: the development and part of the trust that the coach

1231
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:38,750
Speaker 2: gets in his players.

1232
01:02:40,379 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: I will take you now for the summer of, uh,

1233
01:02:43,090 --> 01:02:44,449
Speaker 1: after the winning the cup,

1234
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,729
Speaker 1: you got the appointment as the, as the head coach regularly,

1235
01:02:49,830 --> 01:02:51,409
Speaker 1: not as an intern.

1236
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,620
Speaker 1: And, uh, it was after a good finish to the

1237
01:02:55,629 --> 01:02:58,239
Speaker 1: season even though it ended without the championship. But the

1238
01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:59,540
Speaker 1: gap was bigger when you came.

1239
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,010
Speaker 1: Um, and

1240
01:03:02,659 --> 01:03:06,159
Speaker 1: you spoke about the Twitter before I got at that summer,

1241
01:03:06,169 --> 01:03:09,699
Speaker 1: a lot of feedback from players inside of a dressing

1242
01:03:09,709 --> 01:03:14,500
Speaker 1: room saying like waving some red flags that this won't

1243
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:17,879
Speaker 1: work that if Patrick stays the head coach, we will

1244
01:03:17,889 --> 01:03:18,639
Speaker 1: not succeed.

1245
01:03:19,449 --> 01:03:22,540
Speaker 1: And most of the complaint wasn't about your football style

1246
01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:24,870
Speaker 1: or something like that. It was on the personal level.

1247
01:03:25,570 --> 01:03:28,219
Speaker 1: Some of them felt that you are treating them as

1248
01:03:28,229 --> 01:03:32,030
Speaker 1: they are still in the youth in terms of maybe

1249
01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:36,070
Speaker 1: being too stiff with them. Uh Maybe, maybe, I don't

1250
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,310
Speaker 1: know something about the dynamic group wasn't working

1251
01:03:39,959 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: and they raised that red flag very on before even

1252
01:03:43,929 --> 01:03:47,070
Speaker 1: training camp. It resulted at the end by, you know

1253
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: what happened. Uh The team didn't succeed many things. It

1254
01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:54,209
Speaker 1: was because of the, the, the poor situation in the,

1255
01:03:54,219 --> 01:03:55,020
Speaker 1: in the dressing room.

1256
01:03:55,709 --> 01:03:58,379
Speaker 1: And I was the one writing a lot about it

1257
01:03:58,389 --> 01:04:01,830
Speaker 1: uh as you know, uh and we didn't have, I

1258
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:06,620
Speaker 1: think even once your reaction to that, your comments to that. Well,

1259
01:04:06,629 --> 01:04:07,810
Speaker 2: first of all, um

1260
01:04:08,570 --> 01:04:11,639
Speaker 2: um let's say like that, I think uh uh a

1261
01:04:11,649 --> 01:04:16,090
Speaker 2: player of a professional team is, is paid to play

1262
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:16,540
Speaker 2: football

1263
01:04:17,379 --> 01:04:21,570
Speaker 2: and part of a top club means also that you

1264
01:04:21,580 --> 01:04:22,860
Speaker 2: have to do what is asked,

1265
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:29,889
Speaker 2: I believe that players are part of a team but

1266
01:04:29,899 --> 01:04:31,850
Speaker 2: also have to show their qualities.

1267
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:37,500
Speaker 2: And I think that the players without asking who were

1268
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:39,419
Speaker 2: players that are playing less.

1269
01:04:40,389 --> 01:04:42,929
Speaker 2: Uh because this is the way this is the way

1270
01:04:42,939 --> 01:04:45,530
Speaker 2: you get your information. It's not from the ones that

1271
01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:49,570
Speaker 2: are playing because the, the these are the ones that

1272
01:04:49,580 --> 01:04:52,899
Speaker 2: get the attention and more or less deserve the attention

1273
01:04:52,909 --> 01:04:54,449
Speaker 2: and deserve to play.

1274
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:58,969
Speaker 2: You mentioned the name of your uh colleague, journalist. Uh

1275
01:05:00,479 --> 01:05:03,590
Speaker 2: um He told me once that for you guys, it's

1276
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,540
Speaker 2: only our festival festival of ban that is giving you

1277
01:05:07,550 --> 01:05:11,419
Speaker 2: the information. So I know that it will come and

1278
01:05:11,429 --> 01:05:14,739
Speaker 2: I know from which players it will be and uh

1279
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:17,189
Speaker 2: for me or not to speak to them or to

1280
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:20,790
Speaker 2: being stiff or it's for me, it's, it's a reason

1281
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:22,909
Speaker 2: that um

1282
01:05:24,179 --> 01:05:27,290
Speaker 2: I cannot do a lot with because they don't come

1283
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:29,639
Speaker 2: to me so to speak after

1284
01:05:30,750 --> 01:05:36,010
Speaker 2: is, is, is for me not polite or it doesn't

1285
01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:39,879
Speaker 2: help me to comment on players. It doesn't help me

1286
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:42,719
Speaker 2: because uh I I will not change the player and

1287
01:05:42,729 --> 01:05:46,060
Speaker 2: the player will not change me. And that I'm uh

1288
01:05:46,070 --> 01:05:47,469
Speaker 2: how to say it

1289
01:05:50,110 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 2: strong or demanding or, or strong in my opinion.

1290
01:05:55,860 --> 01:05:59,129
Speaker 2: I don't think so that I'm that strong that that

1291
01:05:59,139 --> 01:06:01,689
Speaker 2: players cannot perform. I think a player needs to look

1292
01:06:01,699 --> 01:06:06,090
Speaker 2: at himself. Do I give everything that I can? And

1293
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:07,879
Speaker 2: that is something that uh

1294
01:06:08,370 --> 01:06:10,780
Speaker 1: no, but there were other players that did spoke by

1295
01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:12,169
Speaker 1: their name. One of them was Tim.

1296
01:06:14,189 --> 01:06:16,770
Speaker 1: He said that you were doing him wrong and you

1297
01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:20,370
Speaker 1: didn't respect him and that you froze him and

1298
01:06:20,899 --> 01:06:24,199
Speaker 2: listen, I think that uh you mentioned a player that

1299
01:06:26,780 --> 01:06:31,699
Speaker 2: that should be lucky that I keep quiet. Why is that? Well,

1300
01:06:31,709 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 2: let's let me stay quiet because I don't think that

1301
01:06:36,209 --> 01:06:38,030
Speaker 2: I don't think that um

1302
01:06:39,979 --> 01:06:41,399
Speaker 2: let's say he could,

1303
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:45,500
Speaker 2: we pushed him in certain situations because you want more

1304
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:48,469
Speaker 2: out of a player. And I think he grew up

1305
01:06:48,479 --> 01:06:50,770
Speaker 2: in a generation that they decided what to do on

1306
01:06:50,780 --> 01:06:53,060
Speaker 2: the field. And I'm not from that generation.

1307
01:06:53,669 --> 01:06:57,889
Speaker 2: I think that you have a responsibility and uh pushing

1308
01:06:57,899 --> 01:07:00,189
Speaker 2: a player to be in a position to score, I

1309
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:03,949
Speaker 2: think should benefit him. And this was more or less

1310
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,770
Speaker 2: situations where uh you need to push players

1311
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:12,149
Speaker 2: and I'm not there to, to be friendly, I'm sorry.

1312
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:16,429
Speaker 2: And this and mentioning this name, yeah, I, I don't

1313
01:07:16,439 --> 01:07:18,350
Speaker 2: have nothing to say to it. It says all by

1314
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 2: itself the point of, of his career

1315
01:07:21,469 --> 01:07:24,090
Speaker 1: in your eyes. What were the reasons for you not

1316
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:29,199
Speaker 1: succeeding at the following season after, after the first six months?

1317
01:07:30,169 --> 01:07:32,179
Speaker 1: Um you were at the end of the day, 10

1318
01:07:32,189 --> 01:07:35,219
Speaker 1: months overall in, in that job, six of them was

1319
01:07:35,229 --> 01:07:38,310
Speaker 1: really good. The next four months wasn't.

1320
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,649
Speaker 2: And this, I don't agree with you. I will tell

1321
01:07:41,659 --> 01:07:44,469
Speaker 2: you why. I don't agree. First of all, we were

1322
01:07:44,479 --> 01:07:45,469
Speaker 2: successful in Europe,

1323
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:49,939
Speaker 2: uh still doing a lot of good things

1324
01:07:50,899 --> 01:07:52,189
Speaker 2: pushing. Um

1325
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,610
Speaker 2: I don't think that the team

1326
01:07:56,310 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: was, let's say ready to perform that well, on both levels.

1327
01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:06,979
Speaker 2: I also think that a lot of clubs and owners

1328
01:08:07,580 --> 01:08:12,229
Speaker 2: decide too quickly if something is not going well,

1329
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: having the experience myself as a coach by taking the

1330
01:08:16,009 --> 01:08:18,778
Speaker 2: team in a, in a position that was not leading,

1331
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,169
Speaker 2: but bringing it back

1332
01:08:20,939 --> 01:08:24,740
Speaker 2: and, and still regretting not to take the championship also

1333
01:08:24,750 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: because that was still possible, but we lost it in

1334
01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:30,318
Speaker 2: the game in Kona where we got the red card

1335
01:08:30,529 --> 01:08:33,549
Speaker 2: and we lost the game. If we didn't get the

1336
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: red card with TB, we finished the game, we win

1337
01:08:36,009 --> 01:08:40,109
Speaker 2: the game, we would still be on, on the way

1338
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,589
Speaker 2: to have, let's say the double. Um,

1339
01:08:43,459 --> 01:08:45,879
Speaker 2: so I think that a little bit more time

1340
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 2: in correcting, um,

1341
01:08:49,750 --> 01:08:51,950
Speaker 2: correcting the situation in the league

1342
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,950
Speaker 2: would have been, would have been the best

1343
01:08:55,970 --> 01:08:58,330
Speaker 2: because this, this is what, what I believe in and

1344
01:08:58,339 --> 01:09:00,830
Speaker 2: which is what I think would be possible.

1345
01:09:01,069 --> 01:09:04,549
Speaker 1: But you haven't that the atmosphere surrounding is not the

1346
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,310
Speaker 1: one that you can,

1347
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,899
Speaker 2: you have. Uh this is what at that time we

1348
01:09:08,910 --> 01:09:11,939
Speaker 2: spoke about, we had, let's say one month until the

1349
01:09:11,950 --> 01:09:13,870
Speaker 2: next window to clean up.

1350
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:15,569
Speaker 2: And uh

1351
01:09:15,580 --> 01:09:16,589
Speaker 1: so that was your plan

1352
01:09:16,649 --> 01:09:20,648
Speaker 2: if that was the, the thought and uh, ok, any

1353
01:09:20,660 --> 01:09:25,089
Speaker 2: player that didn't perform or felt that he needed to

1354
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:28,810
Speaker 2: move out, you had an opportunity to, to let's say

1355
01:09:28,819 --> 01:09:31,729
Speaker 2: refresh the group. Um

1356
01:09:34,509 --> 01:09:37,589
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that uh a little bit more time,

1357
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,769
Speaker 2: a few weeks more would have been easy because if

1358
01:09:41,779 --> 01:09:42,649
Speaker 2: I look at facts,

1359
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:46,450
Speaker 2: I think the coach that finished the season,

1360
01:09:47,459 --> 01:09:50,589
Speaker 2: I think I was on the second position with, uh

1361
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,259
Speaker 2: with one point more or one point less finished up.

1362
01:09:53,270 --> 01:09:56,950
Speaker 2: And then when I went out, you understand? So this,

1363
01:09:56,959 --> 01:09:58,540
Speaker 2: these are things that I must

1364
01:09:58,549 --> 01:10:02,919
Speaker 1: say that uh you lost against Macabe natanya in Natanya Stadium.

1365
01:10:03,779 --> 01:10:07,990
Speaker 1: And uh I was there and when I saw Barack

1366
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: and Shaon leaving from the stadium, I saw the faces,

1367
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:15,269
Speaker 1: it was clear for me that uh it, it will

1368
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:17,620
Speaker 1: come to an end now that they will not wait

1369
01:10:17,629 --> 01:10:19,060
Speaker 1: until uh January.

1370
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:22,790
Speaker 1: So in that, in that discussion with them,

1371
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:24,850
Speaker 2: did you

1372
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:27,910
Speaker 1: expect you to do different? I don't know.

1373
01:10:27,939 --> 01:10:30,709
Speaker 2: No, I, I don't know what at that time these

1374
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,799
Speaker 2: two persons could have told me to do differently, one

1375
01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:38,490
Speaker 2: without any football background and one just starting from, let's say,

1376
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:41,660
Speaker 2: changing his point of view as a player to, to

1377
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:42,209
Speaker 2: a manager.

1378
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:47,259
Speaker 2: Um Well, we, that game, we, we lost, we should

1379
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:50,430
Speaker 2: have scored 234 goals in the first half. We, we

1380
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,938
Speaker 2: outplayed them, we didn't score enough. We catch,

1381
01:10:53,629 --> 01:10:56,818
Speaker 2: go in the second half and, and uh natanya with

1382
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 2: the fans, get the enthusiasm into the team and uh

1383
01:10:59,209 --> 01:11:04,019
Speaker 2: you totally lose control and that is something that, uh

1384
01:11:04,029 --> 01:11:07,700
Speaker 2: of course, it cannot happen, it will happen in, in

1385
01:11:07,709 --> 01:11:11,930
Speaker 2: any coaching career. But at that time, you, you should

1386
01:11:11,939 --> 01:11:14,660
Speaker 2: have finished the game already in the first half.

1387
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: So you didn't get any feedback from Barack telling you, listen,

1388
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:22,560
Speaker 1: let's try to do something else and, and bring back

1389
01:11:22,569 --> 01:11:26,450
Speaker 1: this team together. It wasn't any discussion regarding that

1390
01:11:27,129 --> 01:11:27,870
Speaker 1: at that time.

1391
01:11:28,020 --> 01:11:32,790
Speaker 2: No, I don't remember any discussion that, that, that would

1392
01:11:32,799 --> 01:11:33,979
Speaker 2: lead to,

1393
01:11:34,879 --> 01:11:38,279
Speaker 2: let's say a situation of not being able to work

1394
01:11:38,290 --> 01:11:39,359
Speaker 2: together anymore. No,

1395
01:11:40,330 --> 01:11:45,589
Speaker 1: let's speak about uh in Zoya. Um How do you

1396
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,108
Speaker 1: sum up your time in, in Ukraine? Totally.

1397
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:49,410
Speaker 2: Um

1398
01:11:50,529 --> 01:11:55,379
Speaker 2: after, after Maccabi, uh we, we, I had some time

1399
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,700
Speaker 2: I saw a lot of, let's say good contacts in,

1400
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:59,429
Speaker 2: in Ukraine.

1401
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:03,729
Speaker 2: Uh Ukraine is like our country where you still can

1402
01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:08,019
Speaker 2: develop football and, and teams, a country that started because

1403
01:12:08,029 --> 01:12:11,490
Speaker 2: of the war and the total football situation changed. All

1404
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:15,779
Speaker 2: foreigners left a lot of clubs uh having to, to

1405
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:22,450
Speaker 2: use academy players or or 1st 1st division players or

1406
01:12:22,459 --> 01:12:25,500
Speaker 2: second division players to create teams to still participate.

1407
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:27,140
Speaker 2: Um

1408
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,930
Speaker 2: Zoya opportunity came at the moment that there was some

1409
01:12:31,939 --> 01:12:33,790
Speaker 2: interest from other club, but it was the most

1410
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:37,629
Speaker 2: concrete one and the one where I knew the club

1411
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,169
Speaker 2: as being a club that always wanted to or was

1412
01:12:40,180 --> 01:12:43,009
Speaker 2: able to play in, in Europe at that time, they

1413
01:12:43,020 --> 01:12:45,890
Speaker 2: also had difficulties making the team.

1414
01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 2: So we started with a lot of young players, a

1415
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:53,209
Speaker 2: lot of players that let's say played in the previous seasons,

1416
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:56,540
Speaker 2: 8 to 10 games, maybe in other clubs, but had

1417
01:12:56,549 --> 01:12:59,250
Speaker 2: the talent coming over from the Namo Kev Academy or

1418
01:12:59,259 --> 01:13:00,399
Speaker 2: from Shaktar Academy.

1419
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:04,899
Speaker 2: So it was an interesting uh start. I also there,

1420
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:06,890
Speaker 2: it was a little bit like I had one month

1421
01:13:06,899 --> 01:13:09,609
Speaker 2: to prepare them for the qualification for uh

1422
01:13:10,589 --> 01:13:15,979
Speaker 2: for Europe and like like similar style of working as

1423
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:18,339
Speaker 2: the one month in, in Macabe to do it. We

1424
01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:20,148
Speaker 2: need to change the style quick. We need to make

1425
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,349
Speaker 2: it a team of, of a group of players that

1426
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,959
Speaker 2: never play together or come from the under 19 or

1427
01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:28,100
Speaker 2: come from reserve teams

1428
01:13:29,379 --> 01:13:34,769
Speaker 2: and that, that connected and like uh some, some difficulties in,

1429
01:13:34,779 --> 01:13:37,330
Speaker 2: in scoring goals, in creating a lot of opportunities

1430
01:13:38,109 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: that didn't work out in the, in the, in the

1431
01:13:40,049 --> 01:13:42,890
Speaker 2: first part of the season. And we were,

1432
01:13:43,939 --> 01:13:46,919
Speaker 2: let's say on the run of maybe going into the

1433
01:13:46,930 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: winter break for the first position, but making two draws

1434
01:13:50,649 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 2: brings us back to the third position.

1435
01:13:53,819 --> 01:13:56,358
Speaker 2: But going into the winter break with a lot of

1436
01:13:56,669 --> 01:14:01,810
Speaker 2: positive feelings like if we can connect, let's say our

1437
01:14:01,819 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: defense a little bit better to not giving uh goals away.

1438
01:14:06,589 --> 01:14:10,209
Speaker 2: We have an opportunity to score more goals and, and to,

1439
01:14:10,220 --> 01:14:11,729
Speaker 2: to get back to stay in the race

1440
01:14:13,450 --> 01:14:17,830
Speaker 2: worked out well. We did the preseason, we had some

1441
01:14:17,839 --> 01:14:21,100
Speaker 2: difficulties in the second preseason by having

1442
01:14:21,799 --> 01:14:24,609
Speaker 2: an incident on the training field of a player receiving

1443
01:14:24,620 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: a heart attack. So more or less all the positive

1444
01:14:27,729 --> 01:14:30,189
Speaker 2: that you were building drops a little bit. A lot

1445
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,568
Speaker 2: of team feeling came inside because of this incident.

1446
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:35,740
Speaker 2: We start the leak

1447
01:14:36,529 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 2: at that time. We also brought Eduardo Guerrero so we

1448
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:42,370
Speaker 2: knew that the strike that we were missing. We, we

1449
01:14:42,379 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: would have now

1450
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,740
Speaker 2: um you came, I think four days before the start

1451
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:49,580
Speaker 2: of the first game.

1452
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,609
Speaker 2: Um We start the game, we are 20 down after

1453
01:14:53,620 --> 01:14:55,620
Speaker 2: 20 minutes. We come at the half time.

1454
01:14:56,549 --> 01:15:00,540
Speaker 2: We go and we speak a little bit direct to

1455
01:15:00,549 --> 01:15:03,069
Speaker 2: the players that everything we did and what we showed

1456
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:04,870
Speaker 2: in the first part of the season we need to do.

1457
01:15:04,879 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: Now

1458
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:10,740
Speaker 2: we get back into the game assist of Eduardo 2122

1459
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:14,379
Speaker 2: and we make 32 before the end of the game

1460
01:15:15,330 --> 01:15:19,129
Speaker 2: and we start also there a very positive run. We

1461
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:21,169
Speaker 2: had 15 games in the second part of the season

1462
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:25,769
Speaker 2: with only two losses. So we secured the third position

1463
01:15:25,779 --> 01:15:28,810
Speaker 2: making it possible for Zoya to even participate in the

1464
01:15:28,819 --> 01:15:31,330
Speaker 2: Europa League. And um

1465
01:15:32,379 --> 01:15:34,359
Speaker 2: and if they would lose, they would be automatically in

1466
01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 2: the group stage of conference. So that was a good

1467
01:15:36,729 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 2: position for the club with at that time, an extra

1468
01:15:40,569 --> 01:15:42,939
Speaker 2: income from UEFA would be welcome in the, in the

1469
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:43,709
Speaker 2: time of war.

1470
01:15:44,669 --> 01:15:45,139
Speaker 2: Um

1471
01:15:46,299 --> 01:15:50,180
Speaker 2: I went with the intention to do well knowing that

1472
01:15:50,189 --> 01:15:52,959
Speaker 2: the club would do well or give me the opportunity

1473
01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 2: to do well to see if I maybe can make

1474
01:15:56,589 --> 01:15:59,709
Speaker 2: the other clubs interested in uh in me as a,

1475
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,470
Speaker 2: as a coach. We did well, there was some interest and,

1476
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:03,750
Speaker 2: and

1477
01:16:04,569 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 2: at the end, Shaktar asked if, if, if I was,

1478
01:16:08,250 --> 01:16:10,459
Speaker 2: was interested, a new, a new one

1479
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:12,330
Speaker 1: for before we need to say that

1480
01:16:12,339 --> 01:16:15,490
Speaker 2: I worked for Shakta before. So I was an older

1481
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:16,790
Speaker 2: period that I was not

1482
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:18,770
Speaker 1: at, but they knew you.

1483
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,450
Speaker 2: The new Patrick. Yes. The head coach Patrick,

1484
01:16:22,669 --> 01:16:23,319
Speaker 1: the old Patrick,

1485
01:16:23,419 --> 01:16:27,359
Speaker 2: not the, not the old Patrick. Yeah. So, um yeah, from,

1486
01:16:27,370 --> 01:16:31,919
Speaker 2: from one company to another Shaktar knowing Shakta from, let's

1487
01:16:31,930 --> 01:16:35,129
Speaker 2: say the good period because also they had to make

1488
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:36,830
Speaker 2: a lot of changes because of the war. A lot

1489
01:16:36,839 --> 01:16:38,660
Speaker 2: of talented Brazilians left

1490
01:16:39,419 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: used the UEFA ruling to get out and they also

1491
01:16:43,450 --> 01:16:44,879
Speaker 2: needed to start a new

1492
01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:51,009
Speaker 2: with the younger team, younger Ukrainians, talented Ukrainians after they

1493
01:16:51,020 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 2: became champion. Also, they,

1494
01:16:53,509 --> 01:16:56,430
Speaker 2: I wanted to change the style of football still to

1495
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:00,109
Speaker 2: continue with bringing in younger players and also younger players

1496
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,450
Speaker 2: from scouting to. Uh

1497
01:17:03,299 --> 01:17:04,830
Speaker 2: so we started on the job

1498
01:17:05,899 --> 01:17:10,339
Speaker 2: training camp in Holland the first two weeks because of the,

1499
01:17:10,350 --> 01:17:12,549
Speaker 2: the under 21 championship and uh

1500
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:17,979
Speaker 2: qualification games for the main national team. Uh After two weeks,

1501
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:20,849
Speaker 2: I had only the, the full group which was more

1502
01:17:20,859 --> 01:17:22,500
Speaker 2: or less one week before the start of the league

1503
01:17:22,509 --> 01:17:25,919
Speaker 2: because there was only a three week preparation until the

1504
01:17:25,930 --> 01:17:27,810
Speaker 2: first official game in the in the league.

1505
01:17:28,580 --> 01:17:29,049
Speaker 2: Um

1506
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:33,089
Speaker 2: They're also, and like we discussed

1507
01:17:33,709 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: about Mugabe, OK, some crest changing the style, bringing in

1508
01:17:38,009 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 2: some players

1509
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,979
Speaker 2: also there. I started with OK guys, this is the

1510
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:45,858
Speaker 2: way I want to play and we have enough quality to,

1511
01:17:45,870 --> 01:17:49,410
Speaker 2: to bring it to dominate the 19 game 90 minutes

1512
01:17:49,419 --> 01:17:52,319
Speaker 2: in the game, in attacking or defending. But we need

1513
01:17:52,330 --> 01:17:55,740
Speaker 2: to deliver quality from that point of view. I also

1514
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:59,060
Speaker 2: train because I want everybody to be fit enough to,

1515
01:17:59,069 --> 01:18:00,339
Speaker 2: to be dominating

1516
01:18:01,020 --> 01:18:02,839
Speaker 2: the game and also in the

1517
01:18:04,109 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 2: in, in Europe because yeah, Champions League is a different story.

1518
01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: We start, ok. In the league, we take some points,

1519
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:13,700
Speaker 2: we dominate parts of the game, but we are not

1520
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 2: how to say dominating the 90 minutes as I would

1521
01:18:16,569 --> 01:18:17,278
Speaker 2: like to see

1522
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:21,959
Speaker 2: had some injuries in preseason of, of players that, that

1523
01:18:21,970 --> 01:18:24,450
Speaker 2: are important for the team. They are young, but they

1524
01:18:24,459 --> 01:18:26,689
Speaker 2: already had some seasons in professional football.

1525
01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:32,509
Speaker 2: Um Some of the transfers didn't work out as we planned.

1526
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,649
Speaker 2: So a different quality of players came younger.

1527
01:18:36,529 --> 01:18:37,109
Speaker 2: Um

1528
01:18:38,339 --> 01:18:41,430
Speaker 2: Some of them came also coming also from a different background.

1529
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:42,779
Speaker 2: So a different training background.

1530
01:18:43,649 --> 01:18:47,310
Speaker 2: Um So yeah, there were some difficulties but we took

1531
01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:50,149
Speaker 2: our points. We were, let's say in the first position

1532
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,220
Speaker 2: of the league still we lost already. Let's say some

1533
01:18:53,229 --> 01:18:57,229
Speaker 2: points that we shouldn't have lost. Um starting the Champions

1534
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:57,528
Speaker 2: League

1535
01:18:58,339 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 2: in the League from the, from the

1536
01:19:00,870 --> 01:19:05,419
Speaker 2: first position, the first Champions League game against Porto, uh

1537
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:09,099
Speaker 2: not in Ukraine but playing the games in, in Hamburg,

1538
01:19:09,109 --> 01:19:12,930
Speaker 2: in Germany. So meaning that the traveling for every game

1539
01:19:12,939 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 2: continues

1540
01:19:14,589 --> 01:19:15,140
Speaker 2: um

1541
01:19:16,020 --> 01:19:18,528
Speaker 2: very good team to play. So as a coach, you

1542
01:19:18,540 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 2: try to eliminate

1543
01:19:20,890 --> 01:19:22,790
Speaker 2: as much as possible, the

1544
01:19:24,029 --> 01:19:27,569
Speaker 2: the the the good qualities of the team. We,

1545
01:19:29,209 --> 01:19:31,839
Speaker 2: we lose the game but we showed some opportunities for

1546
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 2: us to score on 11. We make two mistakes. We

1547
01:19:34,689 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 2: give them an opportunity to score another two goals. And

1548
01:19:37,649 --> 01:19:39,709
Speaker 2: in the second half, we had one or two chances

1549
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:40,950
Speaker 2: extra to score.

1550
01:19:41,790 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 2: Um continuing in the league

1551
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:47,259
Speaker 2: come the second Champions League game against an,

1552
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:52,229
Speaker 2: we start, we start

1553
01:19:52,879 --> 01:19:55,649
Speaker 2: bad in a way that we don't show the aggression

1554
01:19:55,660 --> 01:19:56,879
Speaker 2: that we need it

1555
01:19:57,500 --> 01:20:00,549
Speaker 2: at half time. You try to correct and to new

1556
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,290
Speaker 2: one and we in the 32

1557
01:20:03,259 --> 01:20:05,370
Speaker 2: with a little bit luck because they get a penalty

1558
01:20:05,379 --> 01:20:08,709
Speaker 2: in the 93rd minutes which uh they don't score. So

1559
01:20:08,910 --> 01:20:11,169
Speaker 2: we take the first point in, in the group states

1560
01:20:11,180 --> 01:20:13,779
Speaker 2: from two games and more or less after that. Uh

1561
01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:16,839
Speaker 2: It starts in a way that uh

1562
01:20:18,910 --> 01:20:19,689
Speaker 2: I get some,

1563
01:20:21,819 --> 01:20:24,509
Speaker 2: I have my ideas of continuing of developing players go

1564
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,809
Speaker 2: to the national team after the and weapon game. Uh

1565
01:20:26,819 --> 01:20:28,370
Speaker 2: The club was able to move

1566
01:20:29,419 --> 01:20:33,100
Speaker 2: the league game to gain some extra rest. We have

1567
01:20:33,109 --> 01:20:35,819
Speaker 2: a friendly game. I planned a friendly game for the

1568
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:38,470
Speaker 2: players that uh that are not part of the national team.

1569
01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:41,709
Speaker 2: We play the game, we win, we have some difficulties

1570
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,959
Speaker 2: 10 minutes in the beginning of it's a friendly game.

1571
01:20:44,279 --> 01:20:48,568
Speaker 2: We end with uh seven players of the under 19

1572
01:20:48,580 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 2: in the second half. So I think a good job

1573
01:20:51,689 --> 01:20:55,469
Speaker 2: and the next day the general director called me. He said, listen,

1574
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:56,629
Speaker 2: the president didn't like

1575
01:20:57,580 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 2: the friendly game. So, uh, but you want the friendly game,

1576
01:21:01,609 --> 01:21:04,930
Speaker 2: but you have to understand that this is not the reason,

1577
01:21:05,310 --> 01:21:08,279
Speaker 2: like in, in the way the team played or the

1578
01:21:08,290 --> 01:21:09,769
Speaker 2: team performed, he

1579
01:21:09,779 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: sacked you after a friendly game

1580
01:21:11,299 --> 01:21:14,959
Speaker 2: more or less. Uh, this was, uh, this was the,

1581
01:21:14,970 --> 01:21:18,068
Speaker 2: this was what usual, this is what, what they told

1582
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 2: to me.

1583
01:21:18,689 --> 01:21:20,430
Speaker 1: But what, what is the real reason in your eyes?

1584
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:22,669
Speaker 2: The real reason? Yeah,

1585
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,459
Speaker 2: I think I don't, I shouldn't share. But um, ok, this,

1586
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:31,959
Speaker 2: this ends and you start the season knowing that there

1587
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:35,769
Speaker 2: are more demands. You also start the season where you think, ok,

1588
01:21:35,779 --> 01:21:37,299
Speaker 2: we need to build something together

1589
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:40,970
Speaker 2: and this is something that at the end wasn't

1590
01:21:41,129 --> 01:21:43,899
Speaker 1: first place in the league when you got fired and

1591
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:44,970
Speaker 1: now they are not first place,

1592
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,410
Speaker 2: they are first now they, they had some games to

1593
01:21:49,419 --> 01:21:50,140
Speaker 2: from this weekend.

1594
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:53,608
Speaker 1: They first maybe I think before they were second. Yeah. Ok.

1595
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: So, um

1596
01:21:58,229 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 2: and end of the story. So let's say a second

1597
01:22:01,569 --> 01:22:02,209
Speaker 2: spell of

1598
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,830
Speaker 1: coach. It's not, it's not how good you are. There

1599
01:22:05,839 --> 01:22:07,020
Speaker 1: is also one other things,

1600
01:22:07,109 --> 01:22:10,049
Speaker 2: you have a lot of things in a club like that,

1601
01:22:10,109 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: but that is around the team that is not directly

1602
01:22:13,729 --> 01:22:14,740
Speaker 2: happening on the field

1603
01:22:15,580 --> 01:22:19,209
Speaker 1: on a successful period when he left. Mabe. Mabe wasn't

1604
01:22:19,220 --> 01:22:21,930
Speaker 1: reaching the goals that he should have been. That's different.

1605
01:22:22,589 --> 01:22:25,919
Speaker 2: It's, it's, it's the same for me. It feels in the,

1606
01:22:25,930 --> 01:22:28,669
Speaker 2: in the, in the same because more or less you

1607
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,250
Speaker 2: have to see through things. And if you're doing well, uh,

1608
01:22:32,259 --> 01:22:35,520
Speaker 2: you're on the way, uh, in, in the point of

1609
01:22:35,529 --> 01:22:39,938
Speaker 2: view of, let's say Macabe, the results in Europe, you

1610
01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:42,259
Speaker 2: would be first or second. That was the, the direction

1611
01:22:42,270 --> 01:22:44,830
Speaker 2: we were going in that group. And

1612
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:49,620
Speaker 2: in the league, I still think that the points

1613
01:22:50,279 --> 01:22:52,330
Speaker 2: to overcome and to get back in the door top

1614
01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:54,589
Speaker 2: as a Maccabi Tel Aviv, you always have because you

1615
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:55,910
Speaker 2: have a more quality group

1616
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:57,229
Speaker 2: um

1617
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:00,609
Speaker 2: in the way of uh of Shakhtar, I, I look

1618
01:23:00,620 --> 01:23:03,540
Speaker 2: at it in a similar way, you're starting something

1619
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:07,100
Speaker 2: which uh will go with ups and downs. If you

1620
01:23:07,109 --> 01:23:09,450
Speaker 2: need to change things, it will go with ups and downs.

1621
01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: If the things around it

1622
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:14,709
Speaker 2: are in the in the, let's say the noses are

1623
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: in the same direction because we want to achieve the same,

1624
01:23:17,729 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 2: then you will achieve it. As soon as somebody is interfering,

1625
01:23:22,089 --> 01:23:24,109
Speaker 2: it becomes a different. Uh So

1626
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,359
Speaker 1: you have the next few months to yourself. Um What

1627
01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:32,429
Speaker 1: is your next destination? What do you want to, to,

1628
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,990
Speaker 1: to find yourself now as a coach as academy sport? No,

1629
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,490
Speaker 2: II I am, let's say at the moment, still focusing

1630
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 2: on continuing the, the coaching career, the head coach, there

1631
01:23:44,169 --> 01:23:44,790
Speaker 2: are some

1632
01:23:46,450 --> 01:23:50,709
Speaker 2: showing some interest. Now, as I said before, the contract

1633
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,049
Speaker 2: with the Shakta will officially end in, in one month.

1634
01:23:54,609 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 2: So that gives all opportunities for me to, to continue

1635
01:23:57,649 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: anything that comes now that gives me similar circumstances. I, I,

1636
01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:06,068
Speaker 2: I'm ready to start. I spend my time wisely in,

1637
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,179
Speaker 2: in visiting clubs and watching training sessions and games

1638
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:13,729
Speaker 2: to uh to add some interesting things to your uh

1639
01:24:13,740 --> 01:24:15,950
Speaker 2: personal philosophy in my case. Was

1640
01:24:15,959 --> 01:24:19,189
Speaker 1: it correct that the last few months you got approaches

1641
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,419
Speaker 1: from Poti Aviv? And

1642
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:23,919
Speaker 2: I have no, no, no, no,

1643
01:24:23,930 --> 01:24:26,459
Speaker 1: nothing. No. Ok. Uh What do you talk about the

1644
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:30,149
Speaker 1: decision of Barack to become a head coach of Beal?

1645
01:24:31,529 --> 01:24:34,649
Speaker 2: Well, I think that, uh, it's what he wants. So

1646
01:24:34,660 --> 01:24:37,269
Speaker 2: I think that, uh, that he needs to start now.

1647
01:24:38,169 --> 01:24:38,750
Speaker 2: Um

1648
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:41,100
Speaker 2: So, yeah,

1649
01:24:41,589 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 1: you felt it, you felt it when you, when you

1650
01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:48,390
Speaker 1: were the coach of m, you felt that you want

1651
01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:49,359
Speaker 1: to be the coach something?

1652
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,950
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not directly. No, we spoke about it.

1653
01:24:52,959 --> 01:24:54,379
Speaker 2: I think a few months ago

1654
01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:57,430
Speaker 2: he said more or less. Ok, what do you think?

1655
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,830
Speaker 2: I should, I should do, should I continue as a

1656
01:24:59,839 --> 01:25:03,069
Speaker 2: director or as a coach? And I said, listen, if,

1657
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,209
Speaker 2: if you feel that you can want to influence the

1658
01:25:06,220 --> 01:25:08,870
Speaker 2: whole club, you need to be the director. If you

1659
01:25:08,879 --> 01:25:12,019
Speaker 2: want to work with players, then, ok, you need to

1660
01:25:12,029 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 2: start finding out and

1661
01:25:13,169 --> 01:25:15,470
Speaker 1: as you, as you know, Barack, you think that you're

1662
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna succeed in Jerusalem.

1663
01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:20,660
Speaker 2: Well, he always told me he's the king of Jerusalem.

1664
01:25:20,669 --> 01:25:24,970
Speaker 2: So uh after his playing career, so I think that

1665
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:25,318
Speaker 2: I think

1666
01:25:25,890 --> 01:25:26,689
Speaker 1: is the king but

1667
01:25:27,919 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 2: the crown prince, but I think that uh his knowledge

1668
01:25:33,839 --> 01:25:35,220
Speaker 2: and I don't want to,

1669
01:25:36,009 --> 01:25:40,089
Speaker 2: let's say, give myself credit, but that he saw, ok,

1670
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:42,609
Speaker 2: this is what is needed to organize a club, an

1671
01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:46,229
Speaker 2: academy or a first team that he knows what to do. Ok?

1672
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:47,959
Speaker 2: Now he needs to get the chance and, and to

1673
01:25:47,970 --> 01:25:52,549
Speaker 2: take the chance and uh knowing Barak, he wants to

1674
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,189
Speaker 2: be the best. He wants to be very ambitious and,

1675
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,068
Speaker 2: and playing in a certain style of football. But OK,

1676
01:25:59,470 --> 01:26:01,129
Speaker 2: I advise him to take the time and to be

1677
01:26:01,140 --> 01:26:01,939
Speaker 2: smart in it,

1678
01:26:01,950 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: you surprised that he didn't take the job after I

1679
01:26:05,339 --> 01:26:05,769
Speaker 1: left

1680
01:26:06,500 --> 01:26:07,359
Speaker 1: when, before they

1681
01:26:12,279 --> 01:26:12,669
Speaker 2: brought

1682
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:14,129
Speaker 1: in, I think

1683
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:15,109
Speaker 1: in

1684
01:26:15,779 --> 01:26:19,858
Speaker 2: terms of, I would look at the challenges bigger and

1685
01:26:19,870 --> 01:26:25,459
Speaker 2: invited Jerusalem to create something with a huge potential. Still

1686
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: as a club,

1687
01:26:26,750 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: I mentioned the name of Ivi. I think also he

1688
01:26:30,169 --> 01:26:34,129
Speaker 1: said something about you a few maybe one year ago

1689
01:26:34,140 --> 01:26:36,020
Speaker 1: or two years ago. Also in an interview

1690
01:26:36,910 --> 01:26:41,310
Speaker 1: that you are the only one he didn't spoke with

1691
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,129
Speaker 1: at, at his time in the capital Aviv

1692
01:26:44,939 --> 01:26:46,919
Speaker 1: and he felt that you are not giving him respect.

1693
01:26:47,950 --> 01:26:50,700
Speaker 1: Do you know what he meant when he said no,

1694
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:50,770
Speaker 1: I don't

1695
01:26:51,049 --> 01:26:51,089
Speaker 2: think

1696
01:26:53,939 --> 01:26:55,799
Speaker 1: I know you didn't have any problem with

1697
01:26:55,810 --> 01:26:58,830
Speaker 2: no, why I should have a problem with him

1698
01:26:59,950 --> 01:27:01,759
Speaker 2: if he was not in touch with me and I

1699
01:27:01,770 --> 01:27:03,839
Speaker 2: was not in touch with him then. Ok, the

1700
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,339
Speaker 2: I think that uh I remember that I was invited

1701
01:27:08,350 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 2: to a dinner when Ben Mansford started and then he

1702
01:27:11,649 --> 01:27:13,140
Speaker 2: started as a coach

1703
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 2: that I was part of it so that we met

1704
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:19,309
Speaker 2: uh me as an academy director to be part. And

1705
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:21,379
Speaker 2: at the moment that that a lot of young players

1706
01:27:21,390 --> 01:27:25,769
Speaker 2: like Ken and Glass and, and so p came back

1707
01:27:25,779 --> 01:27:28,930
Speaker 2: from all the long period. So to say so I

1708
01:27:28,939 --> 01:27:30,330
Speaker 2: think that uh

1709
01:27:32,919 --> 01:27:34,649
Speaker 2: I visited the first team games,

1710
01:27:35,410 --> 01:27:38,629
Speaker 2: I cannot remember that he visited an under 19 game

1711
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,540
Speaker 2: or any youth game that was 100 m away.

1712
01:27:43,379 --> 01:27:46,770
Speaker 2: So I think if he says that we didn't speak, ok,

1713
01:27:46,779 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 2: maybe

1714
01:27:47,970 --> 01:27:51,259
Speaker 2: look at yourself and then then maybe take the interest

1715
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:53,910
Speaker 2: and take it to art. Maybe I should show some interest.

1716
01:27:54,419 --> 01:27:55,629
Speaker 2: I think that uh

1717
01:27:57,990 --> 01:28:00,379
Speaker 2: that's something I try to do as a, as a

1718
01:28:00,390 --> 01:28:03,410
Speaker 2: head coach is, is always to show some interest in,

1719
01:28:03,419 --> 01:28:06,469
Speaker 2: in an under 19 or the under 17. I knew

1720
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,269
Speaker 2: all the teams. I knew the schedule. Yes, for me,

1721
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:11,528
Speaker 2: it's easy to cross the road and speaking to the

1722
01:28:11,540 --> 01:28:13,660
Speaker 2: coaches because more or less you develop them or you

1723
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:17,529
Speaker 2: hire them. But I think also in, in Zoya and instructor,

1724
01:28:17,540 --> 01:28:18,169
Speaker 2: I try to

1725
01:28:18,830 --> 01:28:22,649
Speaker 2: be interested in uh in what's happening and people know

1726
01:28:22,660 --> 01:28:25,009
Speaker 2: my background. So they ask me also questions or ask

1727
01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:25,930
Speaker 2: me to be uh

1728
01:28:26,700 --> 01:28:29,839
Speaker 2: to be like an advisor. And in Zoya, it was

1729
01:28:29,850 --> 01:28:32,939
Speaker 2: like that Zoya only had an under 19 and they

1730
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:36,149
Speaker 2: had an academy playing on a different location. But more

1731
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,109
Speaker 2: or less the under 19 was the only team where

1732
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 2: I as a coach could take players from.

1733
01:28:41,419 --> 01:28:44,099
Speaker 2: So you try to watch the training sessions, you try

1734
01:28:44,109 --> 01:28:46,839
Speaker 2: to watch because they trained at the same facility.

1735
01:28:47,459 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: So you try to have an interest or speak to players,

1736
01:28:50,049 --> 01:28:52,790
Speaker 2: use players in training sessions, use players in, in a

1737
01:28:52,799 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 2: friendly game. So yes, this uh this is part of me.

1738
01:28:56,850 --> 01:28:58,750
Speaker 2: I think it needs to be inside. You also as

1739
01:28:58,759 --> 01:29:00,899
Speaker 2: a head coach to show interest in the other side.

1740
01:29:01,149 --> 01:29:01,419
Speaker 2: We

1741
01:29:01,430 --> 01:29:04,819
Speaker 1: sit here on a, on a Sunday uh on Thursday,

1742
01:29:05,009 --> 01:29:07,398
Speaker 1: Maccabi Aviva won Olympiacos for one

1743
01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:11,729
Speaker 1: we saw in that game in the lineup players that

1744
01:29:11,740 --> 01:29:14,009
Speaker 1: grew up in the academy, the Shaha, of course, Ravi

1745
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,950
Speaker 1: do Perez Kani.

1746
01:29:17,549 --> 01:29:20,149
Speaker 1: Uh we saw coming in from the bench guys like

1747
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,419
Speaker 1: Toja man or Kats, the Vida. That was until he

1748
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:27,790
Speaker 1: was 15 years old. Um When you see all those

1749
01:29:27,799 --> 01:29:32,169
Speaker 1: Israeli guys, some of them, you know, personally, better than us.

1750
01:29:32,799 --> 01:29:34,490
Speaker 1: And you saw that game,

1751
01:29:35,419 --> 01:29:39,089
Speaker 1: how many of them can play on a Champions league

1752
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:43,709
Speaker 1: level team like Oscal? Uh right now, how many of

1753
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 1: them have that potential to go to those type of teams?

1754
01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:52,309
Speaker 2: Well, I think that that all of them, let's say

1755
01:29:52,319 --> 01:29:55,660
Speaker 2: that play uh have an interesting position vivo as a

1756
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:59,740
Speaker 2: left defender, the whole football world is always looking for

1757
01:29:59,750 --> 01:30:04,089
Speaker 2: left defenders. So I think that, that he has that

1758
01:30:04,100 --> 01:30:06,568
Speaker 2: extra and I think that he's developing in a, in

1759
01:30:06,580 --> 01:30:07,349
Speaker 2: a right way

1760
01:30:08,209 --> 01:30:10,790
Speaker 2: uh to get the minutes and to get the games

1761
01:30:10,799 --> 01:30:13,379
Speaker 2: at every level in the, in the national team also,

1762
01:30:13,390 --> 01:30:15,629
Speaker 2: et cetera. So he gets it at a young age,

1763
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:16,799
Speaker 2: a lot of experience

1764
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,939
Speaker 2: how he manages it or how they manage him in

1765
01:30:19,950 --> 01:30:22,580
Speaker 2: the in the sessions is most important that he

1766
01:30:23,569 --> 01:30:27,660
Speaker 2: keeps this, let's say high discipline in focusing on being

1767
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:28,790
Speaker 2: the best in that position.

1768
01:30:29,689 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Um

1769
01:30:31,049 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 2: Though to Jan, I think that he can be

1770
01:30:35,339 --> 01:30:37,700
Speaker 2: a little bit more, I don't want to say selfish

1771
01:30:37,709 --> 01:30:41,019
Speaker 2: but to be more quickly in scoring the goals because

1772
01:30:41,029 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 2: he gets always or he creates always opportunities. So he

1773
01:30:45,209 --> 01:30:48,250
Speaker 2: needs some time. But yeah, he needs to show what

1774
01:30:50,259 --> 01:30:50,319
Speaker 2: do you

1775
01:30:50,330 --> 01:30:52,290
Speaker 1: think you need to improve on

1776
01:30:52,299 --> 01:30:52,799
Speaker 2: his game?

1777
01:30:53,839 --> 01:30:56,299
Speaker 2: I think he needs to think less and to finish

1778
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:56,770
Speaker 2: quicker

1779
01:30:57,589 --> 01:30:59,689
Speaker 2: if I see him go at the goal,

1780
01:31:00,459 --> 01:31:03,919
Speaker 2: I don't see his actions being where am I putting

1781
01:31:03,930 --> 01:31:04,390
Speaker 2: the ball?

1782
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:09,339
Speaker 2: It's whereas my defender, I need to still make one move.

1783
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:11,938
Speaker 2: I want him, I would like him to be,

1784
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,399
Speaker 2: let's say more. Taking X as an example when the

1785
01:31:15,410 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 2: ball is ready, it's ready to fire and this is

1786
01:31:18,490 --> 01:31:20,689
Speaker 2: what he needs to start doing so that his,

1787
01:31:21,890 --> 01:31:24,740
Speaker 2: his statistics go up because he needs the goals to

1788
01:31:24,750 --> 01:31:28,250
Speaker 2: be talented is, is nice for a certain period. But

1789
01:31:28,259 --> 01:31:31,149
Speaker 2: now it's time to be effective

1790
01:31:31,779 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 2: and to bring the goals and for that, he needs

1791
01:31:34,129 --> 01:31:36,769
Speaker 2: to of course, be in the best position for him

1792
01:31:36,810 --> 01:31:40,589
Speaker 2: possible as a, as a striker. But again, if you

1793
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,330
Speaker 2: have two good strikers, you need to manage it at

1794
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:42,750
Speaker 2: the thought

1795
01:31:43,209 --> 01:31:46,568
Speaker 1: you mentioned before on one of your answers that there

1796
01:31:46,580 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: were some players in the youth that your surprise didn't

1797
01:31:50,279 --> 01:31:50,879
Speaker 1: make it.

1798
01:31:52,069 --> 01:31:53,290
Speaker 1: Can we go into names

1799
01:31:53,899 --> 01:31:56,299
Speaker 1: if you want to go into names? We surprise you

1800
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: that didn't make it to the festive of.

1801
01:31:58,970 --> 01:32:03,099
Speaker 2: Um Well, I let's say we can, we can only

1802
01:32:03,109 --> 01:32:05,850
Speaker 2: speak about players that that didn't make it but also

1803
01:32:05,859 --> 01:32:09,520
Speaker 2: players that didn't get the chance. I think for example,

1804
01:32:09,529 --> 01:32:13,790
Speaker 2: uh guy Mirai is a player that I personally saw

1805
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:15,399
Speaker 2: making progress a lot

1806
01:32:16,020 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 2: and I think he shows it now in Netanya that

1807
01:32:18,569 --> 01:32:21,899
Speaker 2: he's on the right track to keep developing himself.

1808
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:23,370
Speaker 2: Um

1809
01:32:24,770 --> 01:32:26,270
Speaker 2: I think um

1810
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:31,490
Speaker 2: Tel Aviv, after selling Oscar Gloss

1811
01:32:32,220 --> 01:32:35,568
Speaker 2: should have taken a different decision with Berlin, for example,

1812
01:32:35,580 --> 01:32:41,470
Speaker 2: that's now alone in a ha I think he's uh

1813
01:32:43,109 --> 01:32:47,020
Speaker 2: something specific. He has also something specific in his head,

1814
01:32:47,029 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 2: but it's a very good boy, very

1815
01:32:51,069 --> 01:32:56,729
Speaker 2: how to say it, unexpected decisions with the ball and

1816
01:32:56,740 --> 01:32:59,019
Speaker 2: not a lazy boy. So I think that some

1817
01:32:59,939 --> 01:33:03,648
Speaker 2: players should get the chance. But ok, he now has

1818
01:33:03,660 --> 01:33:07,310
Speaker 2: the road to show it through a different way. The second,

1819
01:33:07,319 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: the second year with the under 19

1820
01:33:10,109 --> 01:33:13,540
Speaker 1: was not good for him for all of them, all

1821
01:33:13,609 --> 01:33:17,269
Speaker 1: of them, for all of the team also for all

1822
01:33:17,279 --> 01:33:21,500
Speaker 1: of the, for, also for Bayer and for a lot

1823
01:33:21,509 --> 01:33:25,100
Speaker 1: of them. But in the second year, it was supposed

1824
01:33:25,109 --> 01:33:27,339
Speaker 1: like to go to another place to play, like in, in,

1825
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:30,250
Speaker 1: in those game. You think,

1826
01:33:31,959 --> 01:33:36,109
Speaker 2: uh I think that also partly it lays in what

1827
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,890
Speaker 2: happened in the, in the academy. Um

1828
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:44,330
Speaker 2: But I think that those, that generation of players uh

1829
01:33:44,339 --> 01:33:47,970
Speaker 2: didn't only consist of Oscar Gla I think there, there

1830
01:33:47,979 --> 01:33:50,890
Speaker 2: are some more players in that group that Macabe will

1831
01:33:50,899 --> 01:33:52,089
Speaker 2: benefit from in the future

1832
01:33:53,299 --> 01:33:56,419
Speaker 1: Claudio Braga was something that you brought to the table

1833
01:33:56,430 --> 01:33:58,729
Speaker 1: or no, it

1834
01:33:58,740 --> 01:34:02,629
Speaker 2: is, it is related to me. Yes, I suggested Claudia

1835
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,270
Speaker 2: also because I got the request. Uh not only to

1836
01:34:05,279 --> 01:34:08,709
Speaker 2: be the head coach but to continue also to, to

1837
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 2: look after the football philosophy in the academy. And for that,

1838
01:34:12,049 --> 01:34:17,009
Speaker 2: you need a person that, that let's say follows and

1839
01:34:17,020 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 2: follows the plans that were already existing for, for four

1840
01:34:20,049 --> 01:34:21,649
Speaker 2: or five seasons. You didn't follow

1841
01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:21,910
Speaker 1: them.

1842
01:34:22,529 --> 01:34:26,270
Speaker 2: He uh after after me leaving more or less things

1843
01:34:26,279 --> 01:34:28,819
Speaker 2: changed and that, that is something that uh

1844
01:34:30,879 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 2: that Maccabi should look at by themselves, how to handle

1845
01:34:34,609 --> 01:34:36,259
Speaker 2: that in future situations.

1846
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:39,709
Speaker 1: Um who do you think will win the title this season?

1847
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:40,910
Speaker 1: Moab Haifa.

1848
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:42,649
Speaker 2: Um,

1849
01:34:43,359 --> 01:34:45,689
Speaker 2: well, let's say like this, I think they are compatible

1850
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:46,529
Speaker 2: at the moment.

1851
01:34:47,770 --> 01:34:50,459
Speaker 2: I think it depends also who made the best transfers

1852
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:53,148
Speaker 2: in the, in the winter period. I think high five

1853
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:56,629
Speaker 2: after the start with the young coach came back into

1854
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:57,108
Speaker 2: the race.

1855
01:34:58,060 --> 01:35:01,879
Speaker 2: Uh, both teams, uh, surprised me with the long period.

1856
01:35:01,890 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 2: They are in Europe. So for the league, it's good

1857
01:35:06,490 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 2: that both of them have the same more or less

1858
01:35:08,649 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 2: schedule

1859
01:35:09,919 --> 01:35:12,529
Speaker 2: and with the opportunity so both of them to qualify

1860
01:35:12,540 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 2: for the next round. So that's only top four Israeli football.

1861
01:35:15,779 --> 01:35:18,620
Speaker 2: So I think it will be a race until, until

1862
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:19,899
Speaker 2: the end. And who do you

1863
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:22,549
Speaker 1: think did the best journey of transfer window when you

1864
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:23,459
Speaker 1: look at the,

1865
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:26,299
Speaker 2: I think they did different transfer window. Macabe aimed for

1866
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:29,689
Speaker 2: the younger players maybe for the long term and I

1867
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:35,509
Speaker 2: brought in some young foreign player and also some experienced

1868
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,620
Speaker 2: Israeli players. So I think that uh

1869
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:41,930
Speaker 2: both of them looked at ex ex let's say expanding

1870
01:35:41,939 --> 01:35:45,450
Speaker 2: the squad with quality to, to be able to participate

1871
01:35:45,459 --> 01:35:46,769
Speaker 2: in the, in the two leagues that they are in

1872
01:35:46,779 --> 01:35:49,729
Speaker 2: now in the conference league and in the in the

1873
01:35:49,740 --> 01:35:50,509
Speaker 2: Israeli League,

1874
01:35:50,549 --> 01:35:53,930
Speaker 1: you always said, and I remember that with, with the

1875
01:35:54,060 --> 01:35:56,649
Speaker 1: that you had the academy director, I think you, you

1876
01:35:56,660 --> 01:35:58,990
Speaker 1: did the first interview with me as the Academy director.

1877
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,688
Speaker 1: You always said, that the Israeli talent is something that

1878
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:04,330
Speaker 1: is not getting enough attention

1879
01:36:05,359 --> 01:36:07,700
Speaker 1: that we have a lot of talent and we just

1880
01:36:07,709 --> 01:36:10,390
Speaker 1: need to direct them on a good way. And you

1881
01:36:10,399 --> 01:36:14,299
Speaker 1: see now the level of the Israeli players coming out

1882
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:16,950
Speaker 1: and you see Makabe Kit and Kali who is a

1883
01:36:16,959 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: top player,

1884
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:22,609
Speaker 1: what, what resulted in that change that we are now

1885
01:36:22,620 --> 01:36:27,620
Speaker 1: making more good players from the youth than previous years.

1886
01:36:28,029 --> 01:36:32,169
Speaker 2: Well, I think that uh that of course the the

1887
01:36:32,180 --> 01:36:36,270
Speaker 2: the younger coach coming from the youth helps Maccabi Haifa

1888
01:36:36,509 --> 01:36:39,129
Speaker 2: to recognize some of the talented players and and to

1889
01:36:39,140 --> 01:36:43,569
Speaker 2: give them the opportunity. This this always helps when a

1890
01:36:43,580 --> 01:36:47,890
Speaker 2: person comes from the academy or knowing the academy players,

1891
01:36:48,379 --> 01:36:51,029
Speaker 2: he will quicker say, listen, we don't need, I can

1892
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:52,359
Speaker 2: try it with this one.

1893
01:36:53,180 --> 01:36:57,109
Speaker 2: So uh that, that is uh that is a plus,

1894
01:36:57,430 --> 01:37:00,660
Speaker 2: I think also the performance of the national teams last summer,

1895
01:37:00,669 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 2: uh also made people in Israel realize that, yeah, we

1896
01:37:04,089 --> 01:37:06,180
Speaker 2: need to have some more trust in the younger players

1897
01:37:06,189 --> 01:37:06,879
Speaker 2: that we have.

1898
01:37:07,689 --> 01:37:10,349
Speaker 2: So let's hope that that continues. But at the same time,

1899
01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:11,870
Speaker 2: I hope that

1900
01:37:12,660 --> 01:37:16,560
Speaker 2: not only the Israeli Federation continues to create a high

1901
01:37:16,569 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 2: level of coaches development,

1902
01:37:18,810 --> 01:37:21,620
Speaker 2: but also that clubs are are starting to pay attention

1903
01:37:21,629 --> 01:37:22,229
Speaker 2: more

1904
01:37:23,069 --> 01:37:28,399
Speaker 2: to the academies. I still think that Children in Israeli

1905
01:37:28,410 --> 01:37:29,290
Speaker 2: youthful law

1906
01:37:29,959 --> 01:37:31,859
Speaker 2: don't have the right facilities

1907
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:36,339
Speaker 2: to play football, not enough opportunities to become better.

1908
01:37:37,250 --> 01:37:37,919
Speaker 2: Um

1909
01:37:40,029 --> 01:37:44,250
Speaker 2: Also the extra activities of clubs investing in.

1910
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,259
Speaker 2: They need to see it. If, if

1911
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:52,049
Speaker 2: each club would see one player being sold to Europe

1912
01:37:52,589 --> 01:37:56,049
Speaker 2: with the amounts of Daniel per or Oscar Glo, then

1913
01:37:56,060 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 2: you are creating your budget for your academy and you

1914
01:37:59,209 --> 01:38:00,279
Speaker 2: are creating your,

1915
01:38:01,129 --> 01:38:04,450
Speaker 2: your aims for your academy because you need only one

1916
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:07,020
Speaker 2: and to invest

1917
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:11,580
Speaker 2: on your level in an academy to increase the activities

1918
01:38:11,589 --> 01:38:13,818
Speaker 2: of Children is something that needs to happen.

1919
01:38:14,580 --> 01:38:18,259
Speaker 2: If uh last, last Saturday or yesterday, I watched the

1920
01:38:18,270 --> 01:38:21,470
Speaker 2: under 19 game, I think there needs to be more demands,

1921
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,520
Speaker 2: there needs to be a higher tempo. There needs to

1922
01:38:23,529 --> 01:38:28,339
Speaker 2: be more intentions to dominate the game for Israeli Children

1923
01:38:28,350 --> 01:38:31,839
Speaker 2: to grow up because yeah, everybody wants everybody that is,

1924
01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:36,049
Speaker 2: let's say involved in Israeli football or supporting or knowing

1925
01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:39,189
Speaker 2: the talent is waiting for the national team to qualify

1926
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:39,740
Speaker 2: for something.

1927
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:41,580
Speaker 2: And uh

1928
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 2: this would be the biggest boost. But if this boost

1929
01:38:46,729 --> 01:38:48,939
Speaker 2: goes to all the owners of the clubs or all

1930
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:50,269
Speaker 2: the owners of the academies,

1931
01:38:50,910 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 2: that is something that should go.

1932
01:38:53,890 --> 01:38:54,709
Speaker 2: And um

1933
01:38:56,069 --> 01:38:57,970
Speaker 2: because for such a small country,

1934
01:38:58,740 --> 01:39:01,740
Speaker 2: I still think there are a lot of interesting players.

1935
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:06,370
Speaker 2: We mentioned some of them. Uh I'm looking at Israel

1936
01:39:06,379 --> 01:39:11,809
Speaker 2: as scouting opportunities which players clubs are not using. Is

1937
01:39:11,819 --> 01:39:14,879
Speaker 2: it a player that I still believe in to, to,

1938
01:39:14,890 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 2: to make better?

1939
01:39:16,399 --> 01:39:19,779
Speaker 2: And this is something that, that I of course hope

1940
01:39:19,790 --> 01:39:22,419
Speaker 2: that Israel will see it here, you

1941
01:39:22,430 --> 01:39:24,450
Speaker 1: also prove that we can attract

1942
01:39:24,740 --> 01:39:29,330
Speaker 1: younger guys that can be good players like Eduardo like Poe.

1943
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 1: So that's another direction that is possible for the Israeli

1944
01:39:32,770 --> 01:39:35,319
Speaker 1: football that we are not using it, I think in

1945
01:39:35,330 --> 01:39:37,560
Speaker 1: most of the teams right now. But you need people

1946
01:39:37,569 --> 01:39:41,470
Speaker 1: that believe in young players and young and young coaches

1947
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 1: and you need people like this.

1948
01:39:43,970 --> 01:39:46,609
Speaker 2: Well, I understood that most of the clubs now are

1949
01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:49,419
Speaker 2: not taking a young foreigner because they get certain

1950
01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:53,818
Speaker 2: composition for the federation. And I see it from the

1951
01:39:53,830 --> 01:39:55,799
Speaker 2: point the same as in the, in the first team,

1952
01:39:55,890 --> 01:40:00,589
Speaker 2: a foreign boy brings something extra to a youth team.

1953
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:01,799
Speaker 2: So it's

1954
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:04,870
Speaker 1: Mabe now, we don't have a foreign players in the

1955
01:40:04,879 --> 01:40:07,269
Speaker 1: youth for the second season in a row. So that

1956
01:40:07,709 --> 01:40:10,089
Speaker 2: no, and I, I think that, uh, let's say Macabe

1957
01:40:11,049 --> 01:40:14,129
Speaker 2: and the scouting of, of the youth show that they

1958
01:40:14,140 --> 01:40:17,419
Speaker 2: are able to find the players because it started with

1959
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 2: VA G

1960
01:40:18,620 --> 01:40:21,620
Speaker 2: to take him on loan from Apo Jerusalem. Then we,

1961
01:40:21,629 --> 01:40:26,149
Speaker 2: we bring Edoardo, then we bring Parfait with Parfait. We

1962
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:29,089
Speaker 2: still had another. Bamba was also in that group, but

1963
01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:32,069
Speaker 2: you need to take decisions and Parfait was standing out

1964
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:36,140
Speaker 2: the most at that time. Uh, then we had, uh

1965
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:41,390
Speaker 2: Novato Miros from Tanzania who also added something to youth

1966
01:40:41,399 --> 01:40:44,129
Speaker 2: football played at that time in the, in, uh by

1967
01:40:44,140 --> 01:40:47,839
Speaker 2: the Tel Aviv second division and did the preseason with, uh,

1968
01:40:48,359 --> 01:40:51,259
Speaker 2: with the first team. And so I think that

1969
01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:54,640
Speaker 2: it is an extra opportunity and I don't think you

1970
01:40:54,649 --> 01:40:58,819
Speaker 2: should let it go, um, as a club because of

1971
01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:59,910
Speaker 2: finances because, yeah,

1972
01:41:00,979 --> 01:41:04,759
Speaker 2: maybe it could be more, or maybe the Israeli Federation should,

1973
01:41:04,770 --> 01:41:05,839
Speaker 2: should stimulate it

1974
01:41:06,660 --> 01:41:09,700
Speaker 2: and maybe even increase the second one.

1975
01:41:09,970 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 1: Do you have something more before I would finish it

1976
01:41:12,009 --> 01:41:15,899
Speaker 1: or what, something more to ask? I, um, no, I

1977
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: just want to,

1978
01:41:18,100 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: to you to succeed and to have a good luck

1979
01:41:20,250 --> 01:41:23,549
Speaker 1: and where wherever you choose the next lab, which any

1980
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:26,660
Speaker 1: position that you choose and that's it.

1981
01:41:28,279 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: Thank you. Uh When we are asking an Israeli person

1982
01:41:33,129 --> 01:41:36,189
Speaker 1: or a Jewish person where they come from, you see,

1983
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,068
Speaker 1: we always say, OK, I'm half Moroccan, half Polish. I'm

1984
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:43,390
Speaker 1: half Bulgarian, half from Germany. Can we say now after

1985
01:41:43,399 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 1: all those years that Van Leuven is uh 15% Israel?

1986
01:41:48,810 --> 01:41:52,549
Speaker 2: Well, let's say like this, that uh I, I am

1987
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:53,430
Speaker 2: with pleasure

1988
01:41:54,129 --> 01:41:58,129
Speaker 2: in, in, in the, in Israel. I worked with a

1989
01:41:58,140 --> 01:42:02,189
Speaker 2: lot of pleasure here and a lot of friendly people

1990
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:06,359
Speaker 2: assisted me in, in being successful and creating also a

1991
01:42:06,370 --> 01:42:11,910
Speaker 2: name for myself here. So, yes, I am. Uh 15%. Yes.

1992
01:42:11,919 --> 01:42:14,089
Speaker 2: Maybe it's maybe more, maybe more.

1993
01:42:14,919 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: I have the, I have another question after all of

1994
01:42:18,129 --> 01:42:20,750
Speaker 1: what you got in uh in football,

1995
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:23,620
Speaker 1: why do you think that you need to improve in

1996
01:42:23,629 --> 01:42:24,540
Speaker 1: yourself

1997
01:42:25,390 --> 01:42:28,069
Speaker 2: if there is something like this? No, listen, it's uh

1998
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:31,580
Speaker 2: that's also part of this period to, to, to, to

1999
01:42:31,589 --> 01:42:34,759
Speaker 2: look at yourself. And uh I'm not afraid to listen

2000
01:42:34,770 --> 01:42:37,779
Speaker 2: to people, I'm not afraid to, to get their opinion

2001
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:43,269
Speaker 2: and to take something from that if I look at myself,

2002
01:42:43,419 --> 01:42:48,339
Speaker 2: but then, then, ok, maybe communication or personal contact could be.

2003
01:42:49,220 --> 01:42:52,790
Speaker 2: But for that, you have also nowadays a much larger stuff.

2004
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:56,560
Speaker 2: So certain things you leave to your assistance because at

2005
01:42:56,569 --> 01:42:59,019
Speaker 2: the end, they also need to do something. You cannot

2006
01:42:59,029 --> 01:43:01,609
Speaker 2: do everything by yourself. That's why you, you are the manager,

2007
01:43:01,620 --> 01:43:05,850
Speaker 2: you do everything, you plan everything and you decide everything,

2008
01:43:05,859 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 2: but your input comes from your assistants that are with

2009
01:43:09,609 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 2: you on the field. And uh

2010
01:43:12,209 --> 01:43:15,600
Speaker 2: uh this, this is something that, that I look at

2011
01:43:15,609 --> 01:43:19,269
Speaker 2: more closely now. And what I like to evaluate is

2012
01:43:19,279 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 2: the communication between the, the head coach and his staff,

2013
01:43:23,209 --> 01:43:26,950
Speaker 2: the head coach and the players, but also the assistance

2014
01:43:26,959 --> 01:43:28,540
Speaker 2: with the players. Ok. Where,

2015
01:43:29,180 --> 01:43:32,278
Speaker 2: where is the head coach, uh really involved in the

2016
01:43:32,290 --> 01:43:35,750
Speaker 2: training session? And for that, I, yeah, I, I travel

2017
01:43:36,140 --> 01:43:38,520
Speaker 2: and I like to see uh the training session. I'm

2018
01:43:38,529 --> 01:43:39,959
Speaker 2: not traveling for exercises.

2019
01:43:40,569 --> 01:43:44,229
Speaker 2: This I can create myself. I'm, I'm traveling to see

2020
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:49,379
Speaker 2: communication between uh between coaches and players if I uh

2021
01:43:50,890 --> 01:43:54,459
Speaker 2: go to Betty Sevilla and, and you think, ok, they,

2022
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,390
Speaker 2: after the training, they will go inside, they did their job,

2023
01:43:57,399 --> 01:43:59,509
Speaker 2: they go inside. Ok? One of the players is still

2024
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,100
Speaker 2: unhappy that he doesn't uh

2025
01:44:01,790 --> 01:44:04,410
Speaker 2: that he didn't play or that he didn't participate enough.

2026
01:44:04,419 --> 01:44:07,529
Speaker 2: So I see there a 70 year old Gods Pellegrini

2027
01:44:07,540 --> 01:44:10,490
Speaker 2: with a lot of experience speaking for 20 minutes with

2028
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:13,740
Speaker 2: the player trying to comfort him, trying to make him

2029
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:15,879
Speaker 2: believe in his qualities that he gets his chance. So

2030
01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:16,930
Speaker 2: all over the world,

2031
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,259
Speaker 2: the same situations occur. And also if you didn't speak

2032
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:24,580
Speaker 2: with the, the, the coach after, because these opportunities you

2033
01:44:24,589 --> 01:44:28,419
Speaker 2: also get because of the clubs that you work for.

2034
01:44:28,430 --> 01:44:30,740
Speaker 2: Uh is that he also explains this is, this is

2035
01:44:30,750 --> 01:44:33,509
Speaker 2: part of it, OK? And still at my level, uh

2036
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:37,649
Speaker 2: players are not understanding why they don't play and one

2037
01:44:37,660 --> 01:44:39,740
Speaker 2: word is not enough, you need to spend time on it.

2038
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:40,020
Speaker 2: So

2039
01:44:40,580 --> 01:44:42,700
Speaker 2: this is something that uh it's

2040
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:46,839
Speaker 1: even more important than uh tactics, the communication and everything.

2041
01:44:46,850 --> 01:44:51,220
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's important tactic, they like the most. But uh

2042
01:44:51,250 --> 01:44:54,209
Speaker 1: if they listen, yeah, if they listen, if you, if

2043
01:44:54,220 --> 01:44:59,148
Speaker 1: you make them listen can be OK. Uh Patrick, thank

2044
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: you a lot for coming. I wish you all the

2045
01:45:01,049 --> 01:45:03,399
Speaker 1: best and uh we will follow your career of course

2046
01:45:03,410 --> 01:45:05,109
Speaker 1: and see what happens in the next uh

2047
01:45:05,470 --> 01:45:09,589
Speaker 1: few months. OK? Maybe we will see you on the

2048
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:13,250
Speaker 1: lines in Bloomfield soon. But as an opponent who knows

2049
01:45:13,259 --> 01:45:16,979
Speaker 2: everything is still open and we will see and the

2050
01:45:16,990 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 2: sun is coming. So this is perfect.

2051
01:45:21,009 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: Thank you very

2052
01:45:21,450 --> 01:45:22,850
Speaker 2: much. You're welcome. Thank you?