WEBVTT - "Shit Magnets" 0:00:00.340 --> 0:00:03.170 Hey, repeat listener, you are about to hear the fifth 0:00:03.180 --> 0:00:07.030 episode in this six part series. I highly encourage you 0:00:07.030 --> 0:00:09.690 to listen in order. So if you've missed one of 0:00:09.690 --> 0:00:12.760 our 1st 4 episodes, I suggest you stop listening to 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.930 this one and go back and get caught up. Thanks 0:00:15.930 --> 0:00:16.450 for listening. 0:00:26.220 --> 0:00:29.910 Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Michael Coburg says he knows 0:00:29.910 --> 0:00:32.949 how to catch guys with guns. He's proud of it. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:34.320 So that was our thing. 0:00:34.940 --> 0:00:37.390 And for a while, the department really like this, taking 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.370 guns off the streets. It's good for, 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:40.430 you know, 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:46.430 the Oh, sorry, it's loud. 0:00:46.630 --> 0:00:50.180 Coburg tonight talked outside a Starbucks and unincorporated East L. A. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.970 What's known as a busy patrol area. We kept getting 0:00:53.970 --> 0:00:55.310 interrupted by sirens. 0:00:55.580 --> 0:00:58.480 You know, your violent gangs are, you know, the neighborhoods 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.860 and whose warring and shooting at each other. So you 0:01:00.860 --> 0:01:02.580 focus your time and energy 0:01:03.110 --> 0:01:05.440 in those areas doing traffic stops. 0:01:06.580 --> 0:01:09.120 Informants. You read the graffiti, 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:10.319 you know, and 0:01:11.140 --> 0:01:14.089 it's really not that hard to figure out who's battling who. 0:01:14.940 --> 0:01:17.580 And then you just start making your context contacting, contacting, 0:01:17.870 --> 0:01:20.060 You know, eventually you're gonna run into somebody's carrying a gun, 0:01:20.060 --> 0:01:22.790 doesn't want to go Joe. So they run. They tossed 0:01:22.790 --> 0:01:26.150 the gun that they take off in the car. You know, 0:01:26.620 --> 0:01:29.100 they fight you for it, Whatever. Whatever the case is, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.610 Kobrick said he worked hard, won a spot on the 0:01:31.610 --> 0:01:33.190 department's elite gang unit. 0:01:33.709 --> 0:01:36.050 He did what he was asked to Dio, and he 0:01:36.050 --> 0:01:39.369 was asked to get criminals and guns off the street. 0:01:40.540 --> 0:01:42.990 He loved it the way you love something you feel 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.800 good at, but he had to stop, he said. It 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.350 wasn't his choice. It was his department's. He got benched 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.990 Right now. They don't want guys out there 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.450 chasing down bad guys because of the force or potential shooting. Or, 0:01:56.980 --> 0:01:57.550 you know, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.500 black lives matter who, God forbid, a white cop shoots 0:02:01.500 --> 0:02:04.450 a black guy. They're more worried about the fallout 0:02:05.130 --> 0:02:05.650 of, 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.250 you know, a racial issue or a political issue rather 0:02:10.250 --> 0:02:12.560 than serving community that needs help. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:16.280 You think 0:02:16.940 --> 0:02:17.520 that was part of it? 0:02:18.450 --> 0:02:20.050 Yeah, I've been in four shootings. 0:02:21.100 --> 0:02:23.180 Do I think that was part of it? Yes, 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:24.470 no. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:26.450 So 0:02:28.180 --> 0:02:30.459 again, they just want guys because 0:02:31.490 --> 0:02:33.730 my partner and I developed a skill of finding the 0:02:33.730 --> 0:02:35.730 worst of the worst, were just really good at it 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.919 and the potential of us to get in a another shooting. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:40.389 It was probably 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.870 I don't want to say hi because you don't go 0:02:43.870 --> 0:02:46.200 in the streets looking again. She That's the last thing 0:02:46.210 --> 0:02:47.470 you want to go home to your kids. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.650 But when you're finding guys with guns, I don't want 0:02:50.650 --> 0:02:52.049 to go home, so I don't care. 0:02:53.139 --> 0:02:55.670 And so they didn't want that PR battle, which I 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.639 get on the business side of things. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:00.350 Do you think that happening? 0:03:01.570 --> 0:03:02.000 It is. 0:03:02.770 --> 0:03:04.049 It is happening, all of them 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.950 you're listening to repeat, I'm Annie Gilbertson. This is Episode 0:03:17.950 --> 0:03:18.450 five 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.169 shit magnets 0:03:25.139 --> 0:03:27.600 Cover told me, Quote. I've been called a shit magnet 0:03:27.610 --> 0:03:31.070 my entire career. It's the type of proactive officer that 0:03:31.070 --> 0:03:34.389 makes more arrests, finds more guns, catches more gang members. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.680 It's always been a compliment, he said, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.100 and in co breaks case, he's also shot more people. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.860 Most officers go their entire careers without getting into a shooting. 0:03:44.220 --> 0:03:46.310 Coburg has had four shootings. 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.300 I wanted to talk to a deputy with multiple shootings, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.110 and Deputy Gonzalo Inzunza didn't want to talk to me, 0:03:52.540 --> 0:03:53.270 Coburg did. 0:03:54.940 --> 0:03:57.360 I asked him to tell me about his experience working 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:58.070 the streets. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:03:59.350 I mean 0:03:59.940 --> 0:04:02.310 with police work, especially in L. A county, especially in 0:04:02.310 --> 0:04:06.120 these faster cities. Use of force is an everyday occurrence 0:04:06.220 --> 0:04:08.050 for just a station. In general, 0:04:09.170 --> 0:04:13.050 everybody thinks that cops are heavy handed. But really, we're not. 0:04:13.060 --> 0:04:13.590 I mean, 0:04:14.740 --> 0:04:17.570 seems like we use way less force than what's actually 0:04:17.570 --> 0:04:24.320 needed in most cases way should people should be looking 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.610 at these bad guys terrorizing these towns. They should want 0:04:27.610 --> 0:04:30.890 guys like me who will walk in a dark alley 0:04:30.990 --> 0:04:33.090 and confront this bad guy face to face. 0:04:33.850 --> 0:04:35.479 But just know that I'm doing it for the right reasons. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:36.370 And I mean, do it legally. 0:04:37.310 --> 0:04:40.150 Yeah, I think the deep side is that for too 0:04:40.150 --> 0:04:45.930 long officers were too aggressive on these communities, often communities 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.960 of black and brown people on. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:51.570 And so 0:04:52.460 --> 0:04:54.880 so, yeah, it seems like it seems like a lot 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.419 of the pressure shoe be less aggressive is coming from 0:04:58.420 --> 0:04:58.950 that 0:04:59.540 --> 0:05:00.250 viewpoint. 0:05:01.130 --> 0:05:03.500 Yeah. I mean, there's always room for improvement when it comes. 0:05:03.500 --> 0:05:04.650 The tactics are 0:05:05.540 --> 0:05:06.710 physical aggression, 0:05:08.140 --> 0:05:11.000 and in some cities there is. I mean, if you 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.920 have ah, city that is low has a lower crime rate, 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:15.049 the forces, and 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.290 there's almost no force. 0:05:18.100 --> 0:05:20.930 But when you're in a city where these gang members 0:05:20.930 --> 0:05:21.990 are terrorizing people, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:24.790 they don't live by a force policy. 0:05:25.940 --> 0:05:28.480 You know, I gotta tell you, it's hard for me 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:29.850 to think of a time where I thought it deputy 0:05:29.850 --> 0:05:30.660 went too far. 0:05:31.380 --> 0:05:32.870 There's times where I'm like all right, we're good, We're 0:05:32.870 --> 0:05:35.410 good but custom when we're done, you know, because if 0:05:35.410 --> 0:05:36.850 there is a human emotion into it, 0:05:38.010 --> 0:05:39.890 But I can't think of a point where they were 0:05:39.890 --> 0:05:41.750 just beating somebody up just to beat him up. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.800 Then Coburn's life changed. E. I told you he'd been 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.200 pulled out sidelined. It happened when he caught a case 0:05:51.310 --> 0:05:55.159 that's Deputy Speak for going under internal review being investigated 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.660 by your own department, something you've done has raised a 0:05:58.660 --> 0:06:00.050 flag at work. 0:06:00.900 --> 0:06:03.910 Colbert came under investigation after doing some side work off 0:06:03.910 --> 0:06:07.180 duty and 2015 you're supposed to tell the department if 0:06:07.180 --> 0:06:10.290 you work side jobs. According to Internal affairs records provided 0:06:10.290 --> 0:06:11.859 by Coburg, he did not. 0:06:12.860 --> 0:06:15.430 He was working a surveillance gig up in Ventura County. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.909 He was sitting in a car outside a house. 0:06:18.550 --> 0:06:23.290 Someone reported a suspicious vehicle. Local Ventura County sheriff's deputies 0:06:23.300 --> 0:06:27.080 were called out, and there was an argument. Deputy versus 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:31.140 Deputy Been sure, sheriff's officials complained, contacted the L. A 0:06:31.140 --> 0:06:32.020 County sheriff's. 0:06:33.300 --> 0:06:34.550 Anyways, they flexed on me. 0:06:35.310 --> 0:06:37.390 They called and told my 0:06:38.350 --> 0:06:38.980 lieutenant, 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.370 my lieutenant contact my sergeant. My starting asked me about it. 0:06:42.810 --> 0:06:45.740 Eventually, the case landed on the desk of Internal Affairs, which, 0:06:45.740 --> 0:06:48.529 according to the records Coburg gave me, found Coburg had 0:06:48.529 --> 0:06:52.210 broken rules by acting as a private detective rules about 0:06:52.210 --> 0:06:56.070 professional conduct outside employment and unnecessary interference, 0:06:56.620 --> 0:06:59.680 the report noted. He had been disciplined twice before. This 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.060 time his judgment was called into question. 0:07:03.190 --> 0:07:05.820 Colbert thinks it was a non issue that really the 0:07:05.820 --> 0:07:09.450 department no longer wanted his aggressive approach to the job 0:07:10.140 --> 0:07:13.110 and that this was the paper trail they needed. Who's 0:07:13.110 --> 0:07:13.870 put inside? 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.830 They did a lot of bad stuff to me. When 0:07:17.350 --> 0:07:18.739 they pulled me out of the field, they knew I 0:07:18.740 --> 0:07:19.710 was going through a divorce. 0:07:20.730 --> 0:07:22.150 They pulled me out of the field, took my take 0:07:22.150 --> 0:07:22.750 home car, 0:07:23.590 --> 0:07:25.350 told me I wasn't allowed to work overtime, 0:07:26.050 --> 0:07:28.790 and they made me drive to Inglewood every day, 46 0:07:28.790 --> 0:07:30.250 hours a day in the middle of traffic 0:07:30.940 --> 0:07:32.150 for eight or nine months. 0:07:34.180 --> 0:07:36.180 I mean, it was pulling my hair out. 0:07:36.810 --> 0:07:39.200 I've heard of using traffic as a punishment for officers. 0:07:39.540 --> 0:07:42.140 It's a thing in L. A. It's called freeway therapy. 0:07:42.810 --> 0:07:43.800 Well, kind of work. Did you have 0:07:43.810 --> 0:07:44.550 to be? Oh, 0:07:45.340 --> 0:07:46.650 I was entering 0:07:47.450 --> 0:07:51.239 information into one of our systems where we track, you know, 0:07:51.710 --> 0:07:52.770 if I cards stuff 0:07:53.430 --> 0:07:54.740 tedious and it's, you know, 0:07:55.650 --> 0:07:56.190 yeah, 0:07:57.130 --> 0:07:58.800 but they try to write me up cause led 20 0:07:58.800 --> 0:07:59.350 in a month 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.400 and I'm like 20 AM Like I took a couple 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.500 days off and then I clean their entire arm, rail 0:08:05.500 --> 0:08:09.360 washed clean like 300 guns. You know, the old joke, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.130 the marine peeling potatoes, you know, they were just give 0:08:12.130 --> 0:08:13.080 me they're trying to break. 0:08:20.350 --> 0:08:22.750 According to records, Coburg was still being paid as a 0:08:22.750 --> 0:08:25.980 deputy around $100,000 in 2015. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.620 The shares department would not talk to me about Colbert's complaints, 0:08:29.950 --> 0:08:32.550 said that what they could say was limited because officer 0:08:32.550 --> 0:08:34.349 personnel files are private. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.990 Coburg returned to the field for a stent, but then 0:08:37.990 --> 0:08:41.410 was transferred off the gang unit ousted from the job. 0:08:41.420 --> 0:08:45.160 He loved the reason for the transfer. Coburg Satya captain 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.200 told him he had too many shootings 0:08:48.110 --> 0:08:51.550 in 2012 Coburg confronted a man he's suspected of drug possession. 0:08:51.940 --> 0:08:55.420 A struggle ensued. According to D. A records. The man 0:08:55.420 --> 0:08:58.500 bit Coburg on the thigh and reached for his gun. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.000 Coburg shot him twice in the head. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:09.170 Then two years later, Colbert confronted an armed man suspected 0:09:09.170 --> 0:09:12.420 of shooting someone. Earlier that day, the suspect fired a 0:09:12.420 --> 0:09:17.099 Coburg and other officers. The suspect shielded himself behind his 0:09:17.110 --> 0:09:21.740 own baby boy. Eventually the suspect released the boy. Coburg 0:09:21.750 --> 0:09:25.630 and the other deputies finally fired back. The suspect was shot. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.310 The baby was not harmed. Coburn was awarded a medal 0:09:29.309 --> 0:09:29.939 of Valor. 0:09:30.470 --> 0:09:34.330 Despite the award, Colbert told me the department decided he 0:09:34.330 --> 0:09:36.790 could no longer have contact with the public. He was 0:09:36.790 --> 0:09:38.250 assigned to logistics. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:39.610 I'm helping 0:09:40.260 --> 0:09:43.630 with Equipment way outside of what I was paid to do. 0:09:44.590 --> 0:09:46.380 I mean, I'm washing trucks. 0:09:47.220 --> 0:09:48.470 My career went from 0:09:49.630 --> 0:09:52.550 gang unit for the largest sheriff's department in the world. 0:09:53.070 --> 0:09:53.420 In 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.520 Compton, South Central. 0:09:57.390 --> 0:09:58.530 The washing trucks, 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:03.910 it's It's a joke. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.670 I asked the sheriff about assigning deputies this type of work. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.660 L. A County Sheriff Jim McDonnell said they do not 0:10:10.660 --> 0:10:14.220 give deputies work outside the scope of an officer's responsibilities. 0:10:14.690 --> 0:10:17.219 When I told this to Coburg. He sent me a 0:10:17.220 --> 0:10:19.970 cell phone video of him walking into a long shipping 0:10:19.970 --> 0:10:24.650 container cluttered with sagging cardboard boxes in a tangle of equipment. 0:10:25.660 --> 0:10:26.850 And I've been assigned 0:10:27.670 --> 0:10:29.070 to go through and clean it 0:10:31.610 --> 0:10:33.970 and get inventory of all this gear, 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.559 and it's a ton of gear that need to be inventoried. 0:10:41.740 --> 0:10:45.300 I think my life, this is what I do. 0:10:48.710 --> 0:10:54.650 The thing that struck Hobart that infuriates him now is 0:10:54.650 --> 0:10:56.719 that if all this was really about how he handled 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.850 himself in the field and his shootings, 0:10:59.380 --> 0:11:01.479 Kobrick said, it seemed unfair. 0:11:02.740 --> 0:11:05.550 He told me I didn't have any shady shootings. All 0:11:05.550 --> 0:11:06.650 my stuff was legit. 0:11:07.300 --> 0:11:10.640 The Los Angeles County district attorney's office agreed, found all 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.550 his shootings to be within the law. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.089 When it comes to shootings, the law gives officers lots 0:11:16.090 --> 0:11:19.679 of leeway wide latitude. If an officer fears for his 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.700 safety or the safety of others, the shooting is often 0:11:22.700 --> 0:11:25.429 found to be legal. It's one of the reasons why 0:11:25.429 --> 0:11:29.480 officers are not prosecuted even when they shoot unarmed people. 0:11:30.540 --> 0:11:34.640 There are so called awful, but lawful shootings and in 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:40.080 those consequences are not coming in the form of criminal charges, consequences, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.760 decisions about officers who are getting into questionable shootings or 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.860 violated policy or multiple shootings are in the hands of 0:11:47.860 --> 0:11:48.750 their department. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.890 And Colbert told me the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department 0:11:53.190 --> 0:11:55.500 is handling these things differently these days. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:57.050 The sheriff's department 0:11:57.700 --> 0:12:00.190 is a political organization. Okay, 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:01.360 um, 0:12:02.100 --> 0:12:05.010 the facade is deputies in the streets doing police work. Oh, 0:12:05.010 --> 0:12:06.910 we're just Oh, it's just the deputies doing their job 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.939 where there's so much behind the scenes that are going 0:12:08.940 --> 0:12:09.559 on politically 0:12:10.309 --> 0:12:10.849 and 0:12:12.030 --> 0:12:15.450 so that's how we're used. So as the political agendas change, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.559 they'll come at us officers differently. So what? One year 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.050 was amazing. Police were, you know, getting guns off the streets. 0:12:24.050 --> 0:12:25.550 You know, you get your occasional fight 0:12:26.650 --> 0:12:28.800 and where the next year, if you do that same 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.880 exact thing under the same exact circumstances, you could potentially 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:32.350 be fired, 0:12:32.860 --> 0:12:35.160 are relieved of duty or taking out of the streets 0:12:35.170 --> 0:12:38.470 pending investigation or days taking off out of your pay, 0:12:38.940 --> 0:12:40.610 you know, for something 0:12:41.730 --> 0:12:44.370 that you've done 10 times before that. So they pick 0:12:44.370 --> 0:12:46.360 and choose when they want to use these things. Oh, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.250 that one went to the media. I guess we better 0:12:48.250 --> 0:12:50.400 give him 10 days off no pay. Well, that one 0:12:50.410 --> 0:12:53.900 didn't go to the media, so they're fine. Nobody knows about. 0:12:54.740 --> 0:12:57.349 I've heard opposing ideas of what to do with deputies 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.520 who get into multiple shootings. The crux of it lies 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.890 and how you view police shootings. Generally, do you accept 0:13:03.890 --> 0:13:06.350 that some officer shootings are inevitable? 0:13:06.940 --> 0:13:10.689 That shootings are more prevalent among deputies who get dangerous assignments? 0:13:11.170 --> 0:13:13.960 That is part of the duty something no officer wants 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.250 to dio. But every officer must be ready to dio. 0:13:17.740 --> 0:13:21.350 Or do you believe that multiple shootings should be considered together? 0:13:21.730 --> 0:13:24.690 The difference between looking at the lawfulness of one shooting 0:13:24.890 --> 0:13:29.650 an individual unique snowflake versus looking at the accumulation of snow. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.290 And if you believe they can be connected to the 0:13:33.290 --> 0:13:36.690 decision making by the deputy to the training and tone 0:13:36.690 --> 0:13:40.060 and priorities of the department, do you take stock? Do 0:13:40.059 --> 0:13:42.980 you act and remove a deputy who's shooting again and 0:13:42.980 --> 0:13:43.430 again 0:13:43.940 --> 0:13:44.739 bench them? 0:13:46.590 --> 0:13:49.650 According to a handful of former and current department employees, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.600 officers themselves are divided on this issue. 0:13:53.530 --> 0:13:56.050 I asked John, Fred and all about this, the homicide 0:13:56.050 --> 0:13:59.440 sergeant who investigated the shooting of 10 L. Billups deputy 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.360 Gonzalo Inzunza, his second shooting 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.430 bread and all told me. I think it's a travesty 0:14:04.429 --> 0:14:07.100 if you take a hardworking deputy out of the streets 0:14:07.110 --> 0:14:07.949 and bench them. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.900 Brendel says It's an officer's responsibility to arrest criminals. 0:14:12.590 --> 0:14:16.050 It's a job that requires they get into stuff, he said. 0:14:16.110 --> 0:14:19.310 There are shit magnets. It's difficult. Friend all told me 0:14:19.500 --> 0:14:20.690 to explain to the public 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:22.570 I'm gonna try anyway 0:14:23.190 --> 0:14:24.070 after this break. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.110 I recently found myself in Ontario San Bernadino County, east 0:14:54.110 --> 0:14:56.850 of L. A. It's where many people have escaped high 0:14:56.850 --> 0:15:00.250 housing prices. In l. A escaped to the desert. 0:15:01.010 --> 0:15:02.890 I pulled off the freeway and passed and in and 0:15:02.890 --> 0:15:06.460 out burger behind it lay Chris backdrop of the mountains, 0:15:06.780 --> 0:15:08.350 the Angeles National Forest. 0:15:09.030 --> 0:15:12.050 The purple silhouette of a giant sleeping on its back. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.550 I pulled into the parking lot of an office building. 0:15:17.180 --> 0:15:18.050 I am 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.020 what gave me what gave me away. Yeah, 0:15:23.170 --> 0:15:23.460 right. 0:15:24.050 --> 0:15:25.350 Second floor. Right. 0:15:27.850 --> 0:15:29.070 Okay. Sounds good. Thank you. 0:15:31.530 --> 0:15:35.010 I was there to see Anthony for Llano of former deputy. 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:39.130 Another repeat shooter, his shootings. They made the news. 0:15:42.740 --> 0:15:43.070 Yeah. 0:15:43.630 --> 0:15:44.280 Hey, 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.369 so right by you from you did not see 0:15:49.950 --> 0:15:51.600 you did ok, Well, 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.050 have you know 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.690 I like I like to think I'm an observant person. 0:16:01.330 --> 0:16:04.070 Anti from Otto is retired now. Part of him is 0:16:04.070 --> 0:16:07.290 still no frills former deputy. He came to the interview 0:16:07.290 --> 0:16:10.390 and flip flops and shorts. He likes 7 11 coffee. 0:16:10.390 --> 0:16:10.900 Best 0:16:11.610 --> 0:16:14.600 I have spoken to for Lana before off tape. That 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.450 time he got pretty wound up talking about his patrol days. 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.430 Not angry but not holding back any emotion, either. He 0:16:21.430 --> 0:16:25.270 dropped the occasional expletive. He described sheriff's leadership as being 0:16:25.270 --> 0:16:29.200 motivated by politics. As he put it, Quote, My dick 0:16:29.210 --> 0:16:30.450 is bigger than your deck. 0:16:31.340 --> 0:16:34.000 This time he's restrained. Languid. 0:16:34.670 --> 0:16:35.850 Maybe it's the microphone. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.260 Can you just, like, take like a five inch scoop? 0:16:41.580 --> 0:16:42.010 Okay, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:43.760 Um, 0:16:44.340 --> 0:16:46.330 sorry, I don't talk to allowed. Sometimes 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.440 I think you're good, I think, just like just 0:16:50.490 --> 0:16:54.010 for Lana joined the sheriff's department in 1994 the job 0:16:54.010 --> 0:16:58.220 could be demanding. He missed birthdays, holidays, special events, Sundays 0:16:58.220 --> 0:16:59.150 with his kids. 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.270 And it could be gruesome. According to records, he once 0:17:03.270 --> 0:17:06.449 saw a child whose head was severed into pieces in 0:17:06.450 --> 0:17:07.250 a car crash 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.310 for Lana train for patrol at Century Station. He told 0:17:11.310 --> 0:17:14.230 me I had no idea how violent the world waas 0:17:14.580 --> 0:17:16.659 you don't realize how evil people are 0:17:17.780 --> 0:17:20.420 for Lana. Went to work in Compton, then the east L. 0:17:20.420 --> 0:17:24.460 A station. Do you feel like, uh, you encountered more 0:17:24.460 --> 0:17:26.710 guns and most many other law enforcement 0:17:26.710 --> 0:17:27.350 officers? 0:17:28.910 --> 0:17:31.109 Um, my perception is yes. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.100 Like, I can't even count how many guns that have 0:17:35.109 --> 0:17:36.280 taken off the street. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:37.490 Hundreds. 0:17:38.510 --> 0:17:40.900 There would be some individuals you'd find two or three 0:17:40.900 --> 0:17:42.659 guns on. You know, you don't know, 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:45.450 like in our car. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.780 Oh, on their person in their car? 0:17:49.590 --> 0:17:51.619 Yeah, guns heading anywhere. 0:17:51.630 --> 0:17:53.350 Yeah, but then the same. There's 0:17:54.140 --> 0:17:56.390 the guys that you work with, it that find dope 0:17:56.390 --> 0:17:58.100 all the time. You're like, how did they find dope 0:17:58.100 --> 0:17:59.950 all the time? It just happens that way. 0:18:00.590 --> 0:18:03.490 The guy that's always finding a stolen car, 0:18:04.340 --> 0:18:06.659 you know, it was somebody in it. And there in pursuit. 0:18:06.740 --> 0:18:07.110 It's like 0:18:07.650 --> 0:18:09.970 this guy gets stolen cars, like almost all the time. 0:18:09.970 --> 0:18:10.369 It seemed 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.390 it just works out that way. It's, I don't know, 0:18:13.390 --> 0:18:13.660 this 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.990 no rhyme or reason to it just, uh it happens 0:18:17.609 --> 0:18:19.280 the first time we talked for a lot of put 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.680 it this way. Quote. I happen to be a shit 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.260 magnet with guns. 0:18:24.290 --> 0:18:27.719 There's another way to look at shit magnets, that dangerous encounters. 0:18:27.730 --> 0:18:30.940 And by extension, the shootings that might result are not 0:18:30.940 --> 0:18:34.050 so much dictated by the deputy nor by the department, 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.070 but by the actions of the suspects. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:44.929 One department employees explained it to me as Call a 0:18:44.930 --> 0:18:49.180 good luck. Call it bad luck. It happens that is, 0:18:49.190 --> 0:18:54.290 should happens on since you can't always control what's around you. Well, 0:18:54.300 --> 0:18:58.940 for Lana describes these interactions as though fate had intervened. Misfortune. 0:18:59.700 --> 0:19:02.500 You don't want toe hurt anybody or kill anybody. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:04.820 But 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:06.449 it's unfortunate 0:19:07.460 --> 0:19:09.900 whoever it is that you stop or come across that 0:19:09.910 --> 0:19:12.450 they're going to dictate how the rest of the 0:19:13.170 --> 0:19:14.100 the stock goes 0:19:15.690 --> 0:19:19.270 if they become violent and it ends up becoming violent. 0:19:19.430 --> 0:19:22.240 If they're cooperative, it's cooperative. 0:19:23.940 --> 0:19:24.890 Uh 0:19:24.890 --> 0:19:25.110 huh. 0:19:27.500 --> 0:19:28.950 Talk to me about, um, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.760 the most recent, um, 0:19:35.190 --> 0:19:36.380 shooting incident. 0:19:37.090 --> 0:19:39.350 You're a part of what happened that day. 0:19:40.930 --> 0:19:44.560 That night I was working overtime in East Los Angeles, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.470 and there was, ah, call of a female screaming. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.430 Solano and his partner responded. According to D A records, 0:19:52.540 --> 0:19:54.920 a witness told them he had seen a young Latino 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.450 man riding a skateboard with a gun. 0:19:58.050 --> 0:20:00.770 Vermont ominous partner found a man that fit the description 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.980 for Alana noticed a dark object in his hand, which 0:20:03.980 --> 0:20:06.710 he later realized was a cell phone. He ordered the 0:20:06.710 --> 0:20:09.720 suspect to stop drop what was in his hands, according 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.560 to the D A record. The suspect ignored the commands 0:20:12.570 --> 0:20:16.570 and continued to approach. A struggle ensued for Llano called 0:20:16.570 --> 0:20:18.450 it a stand up wrestling match. 0:20:19.290 --> 0:20:21.859 I was holding one wrist and my partner was holding 0:20:21.859 --> 0:20:23.940 the other risk trying toe get him on the ground 0:20:23.940 --> 0:20:24.760