WEBVTT - How to Know God Better 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.639 Hello, friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.840 Line with Doctor Michael Ray Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America. 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.959 We're going to be talking about your questions about the Bible, God, 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.760 and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray Melnick, 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.320 and I'm so glad to be with you today. We're 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.440 sitting around the radio kitchen table taking your questions. So 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:38.159 give me a call. The phone number is (877) 548-3675. If 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.000 you can't call just go to our website open Line radio.org. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.560 There's a link there that says Ask Michael a question. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.160 When you click on that, you can post your question 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.839 and Trish will put it in the mailbag. 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Because we're talking about the 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.920 Jewish tradition that the wedding would take seven days of celebration. 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.960 So half of the class agrees on drinking alcohol, and 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.080 the other half doesn't doesn't agree about drinking alcohol. So 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.360 I'm a little bit I need to get information because 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.760 I was explaining that the percentage of alcohol of that time, 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.370 the wine is not like fermentation at this time. So 0:03:55.370 --> 0:03:57.170 that's why I'm calling you. If you could give me 0:03:57.210 --> 0:04:00.010 pointers where I could get more information, or if I 0:04:00.010 --> 0:04:01.770 could buy a book to correct. 0:04:01.810 --> 0:04:03.650 Yeah. If I. If I were you, I'd go to 0:04:03.690 --> 0:04:06.890 the library. And your library should have a copy of 0:04:06.890 --> 0:04:11.410 Encyclopaedia Judaica. Uh, you can also get a copy online 0:04:11.410 --> 0:04:16.090 or access a copy of Encyclopaedia Judaica online. I'd look 0:04:16.089 --> 0:04:19.370 up wine. That's what I would do. Now, what we 0:04:19.370 --> 0:04:24.089 know about wine in the, for example, Second Maccabees talks 0:04:24.089 --> 0:04:29.289 about everyday wine was watered down, diluted, uh, three, 3 0:04:29.290 --> 0:04:35.210 to 1, uh uh, three parts water to one part wine. Uh, 0:04:35.210 --> 0:04:41.010 it still had alcoholic content, but it was watered down. Uh, also, uh, 0:04:41.730 --> 0:04:47.409 the the wine, uh, the Talmud, uh, the rabbinic writings 0:04:47.410 --> 0:04:53.450 talks about everyday wine being watered down. However, one of 0:04:53.540 --> 0:04:58.100 the things you'll find as you study wine that at festivals, 0:04:58.700 --> 0:05:05.020 on Shabbat, Sabbath and at celebrations like a wedding celebration, 0:05:05.540 --> 0:05:09.460 the wine was not watered. So, for example, the wedding 0:05:09.460 --> 0:05:13.500 at Cana. Think about how the people responded when Jesus 0:05:13.500 --> 0:05:18.420 turned the water into wine. They said, oh wow. Usually 0:05:18.860 --> 0:05:23.580 you bring out the name brand first, and then later 0:05:23.580 --> 0:05:26.779 on when people can't tell the difference, you bring out 0:05:26.779 --> 0:05:29.980 the generic cheap brand. However. 0:05:30.100 --> 0:05:30.460 Yeah. 0:05:31.700 --> 0:05:37.820 Uh, when, uh, when the. Now they've, you know, we've 0:05:37.860 --> 0:05:40.460 gone through the cheap stuff and now we've got the 0:05:40.460 --> 0:05:44.500 name brand stuff because this is really good. Uh, the 0:05:44.500 --> 0:05:47.860 implication there is that the wine affected the people at 0:05:47.860 --> 0:05:50.260 the wedding to such an extent that they could no 0:05:50.260 --> 0:05:53.229 longer tell the difference. Why? Because they were getting a 0:05:53.230 --> 0:06:01.230 little tipsy. So the the point is at weddings, celebrations, at, uh, festivals, 0:06:01.230 --> 0:06:05.950 celebrations at Shabbat, the wine was not watered down. Okay. 0:06:06.990 --> 0:06:11.630 Okay. But in the Cyclopaedia will show like maybe the percentage. 0:06:11.630 --> 0:06:13.190 Because I know when I. 0:06:13.190 --> 0:06:17.630 I just told you the percentage, the percentage for everyday 0:06:17.630 --> 0:06:19.549 wine was 3 to 1. 0:06:20.190 --> 0:06:23.510 3 to 1. Okay. And for the festival, the percentage 0:06:23.510 --> 0:06:24.870 could be, uh. 0:06:25.190 --> 0:06:27.670 Was not watered down at all. It was just wine. 0:06:27.710 --> 0:06:29.230 Yeah. Okay. 0:06:29.990 --> 0:06:30.550 Okay. 0:06:30.589 --> 0:06:35.070 Got it. Okay. Okay. Uh, Judea. Encyclopedia. 0:06:35.070 --> 0:06:38.589 Encyclopedia Judaica. Read what it says about wine. 0:06:39.470 --> 0:06:40.870 Okay. Thank you. 0:06:40.910 --> 0:06:44.549 Okay. Sure. Thanks so much for your call. Appreciate it. 0:06:44.589 --> 0:06:48.630 We're going to talk to Theresa. And, boy, I don't 0:06:48.630 --> 0:06:52.210 know if I can say it. Kahuta Okuda, Georgia, listening 0:06:52.210 --> 0:06:55.530 on Wmw. Uh, hey, Teresa, how do you say the 0:06:55.529 --> 0:06:56.650 name of the town you're in? 0:06:57.610 --> 0:06:58.410 Tahara. 0:06:59.089 --> 0:07:01.890 Kajana. Okay. Okay. 0:07:02.490 --> 0:07:04.290 Yes. It's an Indian name. 0:07:06.010 --> 0:07:08.650 Okay. Well, I am so glad you called. How can 0:07:08.650 --> 0:07:09.530 I help you today? 0:07:10.410 --> 0:07:13.010 Okay, well, I'll look forward to sitting at Jesus feet 0:07:13.010 --> 0:07:15.250 and hearing him when I go to heaven. And I 0:07:15.250 --> 0:07:17.290 think I'll get to hear you and Miss Eva, too. 0:07:17.610 --> 0:07:20.090 And I look forward to that. But even though I've 0:07:20.090 --> 0:07:23.370 forgiven some people, I know there's people there that I 0:07:23.370 --> 0:07:26.330 don't want to be around. What's going to be our reaction? 0:07:26.330 --> 0:07:28.650 Do we have to deal with them or what do 0:07:28.650 --> 0:07:29.130 you think? 0:07:29.650 --> 0:07:31.970 There's probably some people there that wouldn't want you around too, 0:07:32.010 --> 0:07:32.770 don't you think? 0:07:33.090 --> 0:07:36.330 That's right. And I apologize for that. I want to 0:07:36.850 --> 0:07:38.050 ask for forgiveness. 0:07:38.290 --> 0:07:40.730 I know there's a whole lot of people that are 0:07:40.770 --> 0:07:43.130 going to say, am I really going to spend eternity 0:07:43.130 --> 0:07:50.300 with that guy? I don't think so. But here's. I. 0:07:51.900 --> 0:07:56.420 I actually believe that, uh, first of all, there's two 0:07:56.420 --> 0:07:59.420 things I would say. The lesson of Jesus is if 0:07:59.420 --> 0:08:01.660 there are people here that we think we wouldn't like 0:08:01.660 --> 0:08:04.260 to spend eternity with, is what we should do is 0:08:04.420 --> 0:08:09.180 before we go to worship, before we leave our before, 0:08:09.340 --> 0:08:10.820 what we need to do is leave our gift at 0:08:10.820 --> 0:08:16.420 the altar as Jesus teaches and and go see them 0:08:17.020 --> 0:08:22.060 and reconcile. Yes. Don't wait. Uh, do everything in our 0:08:22.060 --> 0:08:24.580 power to reconcile. Now, there. You know, I think that's 0:08:24.580 --> 0:08:27.420 interesting that Paul says to everything. That everything, as long 0:08:27.420 --> 0:08:30.820 as it's within you, be reconciled. Uh, be at peace 0:08:30.820 --> 0:08:33.660 with all people. But sometimes people just don't want it. 0:08:33.700 --> 0:08:35.380 We can't help it. Uh. 0:08:35.660 --> 0:08:36.219 Right. 0:08:36.540 --> 0:08:39.140 In that case, I'm going to say that after the 0:08:39.179 --> 0:08:43.260 Bema Seat, after the. When we're in eternity with the Lord, 0:08:44.340 --> 0:08:48.630 it'll be all over. Uh, you know, what? Maybe we'll 0:08:48.630 --> 0:08:52.670 learn to accept each other's that we were fallen and 0:08:53.470 --> 0:08:57.870 had made obviously made mistakes. Or maybe our blind side that, 0:08:57.910 --> 0:09:00.470 you know, we we may have had some blindness and 0:09:00.510 --> 0:09:03.709 thought someone was making a mistake when they weren't. Uh, 0:09:04.070 --> 0:09:09.150 we'll learn. We'll be transformed, we'll be glorified, and we 0:09:09.150 --> 0:09:12.870 won't have that sin nature that holds grudges any longer. 0:09:12.870 --> 0:09:16.030 And I think we'll be okay. Okay. 0:09:17.110 --> 0:09:19.150 Okay. Thank you so much. 0:09:20.510 --> 0:09:23.630 Yeah. Thank you. Teresa, thanks for the call. Really appreciate it. 0:09:23.830 --> 0:09:27.910 We're going to speak with al listening in Seattle, Washington online. 0:09:28.110 --> 0:09:30.510 Welcome to Open Line, al. How can I help you today? 0:09:31.750 --> 0:09:35.230 I got a question related to dispensationalism. At least the 0:09:35.230 --> 0:09:40.150 way I believe. God is not done dealing with the 0:09:40.150 --> 0:09:44.630 Jewish people or Israel. Yet the church is not replaced. 0:09:44.630 --> 0:09:48.160 That and there are some people who reject the dispensational belief, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.319 and they also reject the rapture of the church. Is 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:51.600 this whole thing? 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.200 Yeah, yeah. But what's your question, al? 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.280 That's my question about that. Is that what's your understanding 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.640 of that particular, um, area? Dispensationalism. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.000 Well, uh, Moody Bible Institute, where I've taught for 32 years, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:11.480 is a dispensational school. Uh, there are varieties of dispensationalism. 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.400 I don't think that there's only one kind. There's, you know, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:18.079 it's on a spectrum. Uh, I'm kind of eclectic in 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.679 my view, of dispensationalism, but I think that, uh, the 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:27.240 main thing about dispensationalism, it is a method, a mode 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:34.520 of biblical interpretation that reads the Bible progressively and is consistently, uh, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.280 takes things, uh, in a literal sense, in a consistent way. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.040 In a normal sense, I would say, uh, in a, 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.980 in a consistent way, even when it comes to prophecy. 0:10:45.179 --> 0:10:47.380 So when it talks about Israel in the future, I 0:10:47.380 --> 0:10:50.060 think it's talking about Israel in the future, not the church. 0:10:50.340 --> 0:10:53.339 And I think that that's what's crucial when the Bible 0:10:53.340 --> 0:10:57.140 promises the regathering of the Jewish people to the land 0:10:57.140 --> 0:11:00.220 of Israel, when the Bible says that that's going to 0:11:00.220 --> 0:11:02.660 happen and it has happened before our eyes. We take 0:11:02.660 --> 0:11:05.980 that literally. When the Bible says that Jesus is going 0:11:05.980 --> 0:11:10.220 to reign in Jerusalem over Israel and the world for 0:11:10.260 --> 0:11:14.740 a thousand years, we take that literally. So it's not 0:11:14.740 --> 0:11:17.900 just a long time. And it's not just that's that's 0:11:17.900 --> 0:11:20.860 what really dispensationalism is. It's I'd like to change the 0:11:20.860 --> 0:11:24.220 name of it. I'd like to call it faithfulness theology. Uh, 0:11:24.220 --> 0:11:26.740 we trust God that he is going to be faithful 0:11:26.740 --> 0:11:29.220 to all his promises, not just the promises that he 0:11:29.220 --> 0:11:32.580 made to the church, but which are wonderful promises, but 0:11:32.580 --> 0:11:36.020 also his promises that he made to Israel that one 0:11:36.020 --> 0:11:39.260 day he would bring them, uh, the nation will believe 0:11:39.260 --> 0:11:43.069 in Jesus at the return of Jesus. Uh, and then 0:11:43.070 --> 0:11:45.350 all Israel will be saved. And not all Israel from 0:11:45.350 --> 0:11:48.150 all time, but all Israel that believe in him. And 0:11:48.190 --> 0:11:51.309 he'll fulfill all his promises to them. That's what I 0:11:51.309 --> 0:11:53.110 believe about it, al. Does that help? 0:11:53.950 --> 0:11:56.069 Yes, I believe the same thing. Is there a good 0:11:56.110 --> 0:11:59.189 book that deals with this subject outside of the Bible? 0:11:59.630 --> 0:12:04.830 Yeah. There's a. There's a starting book, a book that 0:12:04.830 --> 0:12:08.630 I would start everyone with on it by Michael Vlock. Uh, 0:12:08.670 --> 0:12:11.830 I think it's something like Essentials of Dispensationalism. Trish is 0:12:11.830 --> 0:12:14.110 going to look it up. It's a little booklet about, uh, 0:12:14.110 --> 0:12:17.470 75 or 80 pages. Uh, that's a good one. Michael 0:12:17.470 --> 0:12:21.230 Vlock V as in Victor l H.H. uh, we're going 0:12:21.270 --> 0:12:23.710 to take a break here. And what, uh, Tricia is 0:12:23.710 --> 0:12:26.030 going to do over the break is she's going to 0:12:26.030 --> 0:12:29.950 find the name of that book. Uh, and when I 0:12:29.990 --> 0:12:33.150 come back, you keep listening, al, because I'll. I'll mention 0:12:33.150 --> 0:12:35.830 what the name of the book is. Uh, but and also, 0:12:35.830 --> 0:12:39.630 there's a great book. It's not specifically dispensationalism. It's. Has 0:12:39.630 --> 0:12:43.160 the church replaced Israel by block. So those are great books. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.840 I'll be back to talk about that in a moment. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:13:02.040 This is Michael Ray Dolnick on Open Line. And we're back. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.760 And I am drinking from my coffee mug with the. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.520 Everything about me is Moody Bible Institute. I'm sure you 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.439 know that I've taught at Moody forever, but I'm also 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.560 an adjunct professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, and I am 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:22.720 drinking coffee this morning from my Dallas Seminary mug, which 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:27.480 is kind of fun, because Dallas Seminary is the place where, uh, 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:33.320 I think the main school that teaches dispensationalism, uh, and seminaries. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.920 And why do I say that? Because our last caller 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:41.530 was asking about a book. About a basic book about dispensationalism. 0:13:41.530 --> 0:13:44.090 And of course, I recommended a book, but Trish had 0:13:44.090 --> 0:13:46.330 to look up the title. This is the title. It's 0:13:46.330 --> 0:13:52.689 called Dispensationalism Essential Beliefs and Common Myths, and it's a 0:13:52.690 --> 0:13:56.290 very simple, easy to read, almost a booklet. It's about 0:13:56.290 --> 0:14:00.770 80 pages long. I like it very much. It's written 0:14:00.770 --> 0:14:05.970 by Michael Vlock. V as in Victor H.H. and Michael 0:14:05.970 --> 0:14:08.730 Vlock did a wonderful job on that book, and also 0:14:08.890 --> 0:14:15.329 he wrote a book called Has the Church Replaced Israel? 0:14:15.370 --> 0:14:18.010 It's a little bit goes more in depth. It's not 0:14:18.010 --> 0:14:23.930 really about dispensationalism so much as it's about this idea 0:14:23.930 --> 0:14:29.290 of replacement theology, which dispensationalism obviously disagrees with, and makes 0:14:29.290 --> 0:14:33.930 the case for a theology that doesn't replace Israel. And 0:14:33.930 --> 0:14:36.730 it's a really great book. Has the church replaced Israel? 0:14:36.770 --> 0:14:40.030 And Trish tells me she has linked it on our website. 0:14:40.030 --> 0:14:43.270 Am I right about that, Trish? Uh, it's on the web. Well, 0:14:43.270 --> 0:14:45.830 she's working on it right now. So those are two 0:14:45.870 --> 0:14:50.550 books that you can find, uh, uh, dispensationalism, essential beliefs 0:14:50.550 --> 0:14:54.350 and common myths. And then also, uh, the other book 0:14:54.350 --> 0:14:56.510 that I think is so helpful is Has the Church 0:14:56.510 --> 0:15:00.110 replaced Israel? In fact, when I read that book in 2010, 0:15:00.870 --> 0:15:02.870 it was the first time in my life I felt like, man, 0:15:02.870 --> 0:15:07.070 I wish I'd written that book, but okay, uh, I, 0:15:07.630 --> 0:15:09.990 I liked it so much, I, I found Michael Vlock 0:15:09.990 --> 0:15:13.070 and we became friends because of it. I liked it so, 0:15:13.070 --> 0:15:20.230 so much. Uh, we're going to talk to Daniel in 0:15:20.230 --> 0:15:24.110 Grand Rapids, Michigan, listening on w g b. Welcome to 0:15:24.150 --> 0:15:26.550 Open Line. Daniel. How can I help you today? 0:15:27.350 --> 0:15:31.630 Well, I was wondering, at 70 AD, the, uh, the 0:15:31.630 --> 0:15:34.990 temple was torn down. What happened to the Pharisees? And 0:15:34.990 --> 0:15:37.960 are there any Pharisees today we could call Pharisees. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.120 No, there are no Pharisees today, although I think we could. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.960 If we if there were Pharisees, we'd find them probably 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:52.840 in local churches, uh, because of the issue sometimes of becoming, uh, 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.240 not all Pharisees were hypocrites. Uh, we shouldn't think that. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.520 But they were sometimes, uh, but, uh, I think that 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.160 sometimes when we look at the religious leadership in Israel 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.360 in the first century and we see Pharisees, the the 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:12.440 next thing that happens is that we want to blame 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.680 all Jews and we don't look at ourselves. I think 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.240 those of us who are in religious leadership need to 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.880 take a look at ourselves before we start complaining about 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:22.920 Jewish people, but let me tell you about the history 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:30.520 of the Jewish people. Okay? Daniel, uh, before A.D. 70, uh, uh, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.200 Jewish people had a lot of different, uh, I don't 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:38.290 want to say it's its factions, but there were varieties 0:16:38.290 --> 0:16:43.890 of Judaism. So, for example, there were Sadducean Judaism. Um, 0:16:44.730 --> 0:16:49.330 and there were parties like the Pharisees. So there were 0:16:49.330 --> 0:16:52.290 the Sadducees, who were the priests and the Levites mostly. 0:16:52.490 --> 0:16:55.370 And then there were the Sadducees, who there were about 0:16:55.370 --> 0:16:59.290 5000 of them. And they were like the religious, the 0:16:59.290 --> 0:17:02.450 the experts on the law and kind of the, the 0:17:02.490 --> 0:17:06.570 party that led the, the leadership of the people. But 0:17:06.609 --> 0:17:10.410 it was only about 5000 who were actually Pharisees. And 0:17:10.410 --> 0:17:20.170 then there were other sectarian groups. Uh, like, uh, the Essenes, uh, 0:17:20.170 --> 0:17:22.970 or the Qumran community that went to the wilderness. And 0:17:22.970 --> 0:17:26.169 they thought that the religious leadership had become corrupt. So 0:17:26.170 --> 0:17:28.609 they were hiding out in the wilderness. Uh. 0:17:29.130 --> 0:17:29.490 Wow. 0:17:30.210 --> 0:17:35.750 Uh, in in 30, somewhere in the 30s you developed 0:17:35.750 --> 0:17:40.550 this group called the Nazarenes. These were Jews who believed 0:17:40.550 --> 0:17:45.830 in the Nazarene. Uh, the they believed in Jesus, the Messiah. 0:17:45.869 --> 0:17:49.430 They were the early Messianic Jews. Uh, and so you 0:17:49.430 --> 0:17:53.869 had that sect in Judaism in the first century. All 0:17:53.869 --> 0:17:58.470 these different sects. And then there was also a sect 0:17:58.470 --> 0:18:00.709 called the zealots. They were the, the party of the 0:18:00.710 --> 0:18:07.070 revolt against Rome. So there's all these varieties. Well what happened? 0:18:07.470 --> 0:18:12.190 The Sadducees were temple oriented because they were priests and 0:18:12.190 --> 0:18:15.350 they were pro Rome. They were supportive of Rome after 0:18:15.350 --> 0:18:18.669 the Roman destruction of the temple. They didn't have a temple, 0:18:18.670 --> 0:18:20.990 and they lost a lot of credibility because they had 0:18:20.990 --> 0:18:25.270 supported Rome. And so they kind of disappeared as a 0:18:25.270 --> 0:18:33.439 leader of Jewish people. Uh, then the, uh, What happened 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:40.320 next was the, uh, uh, the Essenes had been hiding out. 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.399 And the Qumran community, they had been hiding out in 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:48.280 the wilderness and sectarian groups like that. Uh, they certainly, uh, 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:54.800 didn't have any kind of, uh, credibility because they'd been 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.679 hiding out. So they'd kind of disappeared from the scene. 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.200 The Nazarenes had fled Jerusalem in AD 70 because of 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.280 the prophecy of Jesus that when you see Jerusalem surrounded, 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.080 you need to get out of town. And so they 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.720 got out of town, uh, they went to a place 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:15.000 up on the other side of the Jordan. Uh, and 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.400 now who is left? You've got. And the zealots, they 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.359 led Israel into a terrible war, and so they lost 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:29.080 all credibility. The Pharisees had everything going for them because 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.650 they had been opposed to the war, but they'd also 0:19:31.650 --> 0:19:34.889 have been opposed to Rome, so they had credibility that way. 0:19:35.450 --> 0:19:38.090 They were more focused on the Torah, on the law, 0:19:38.130 --> 0:19:40.810 than they were on the temple. So as a result, 0:19:40.850 --> 0:19:43.370 they still had the Torah, and that became a portable 0:19:43.369 --> 0:19:46.650 temple for them, something they could take with them. And 0:19:46.650 --> 0:19:50.530 because of that, the leader of the Pharisees, his name 0:19:50.530 --> 0:19:55.570 was Yohanan Ben Zakkai. Rabbi Yochanan went to a town 0:19:55.690 --> 0:20:01.010 on the coast of the Mediterranean called Yavneh, and there 0:20:01.330 --> 0:20:05.450 they reformed Judaism to be a religion without sacrifice, and 0:20:05.450 --> 0:20:10.490 out of that came not Pharisaic Judaism, but Rabbinic Judaism. 0:20:10.650 --> 0:20:15.650 So Rabbinic Judaism, that formed between the late first century 0:20:15.650 --> 0:20:19.689 and up until about the fifth century, that was, uh, 0:20:19.730 --> 0:20:25.530 they are the heirs of the Pharisees. Uh, okay. Is 0:20:25.530 --> 0:20:26.850 that does that help? Daniel? 0:20:27.530 --> 0:20:31.379 Wow. It fills me with a lot. But, um, with 0:20:31.420 --> 0:20:33.940 the wars you talk about, the Jews went against the. 0:20:33.980 --> 0:20:36.180 Is that the Jewish war is that they talk about 0:20:36.220 --> 0:20:37.820 in Antiquities of the Jews. 0:20:38.340 --> 0:20:41.700 Yeah. There's the first Jewish revolt in A.D. 70 or 0:20:41.700 --> 0:20:45.300 66 through 73. And then there was a revolt between 0:20:45.300 --> 0:20:49.540 132 through 35 against the Romans, uh, against the Roman 0:20:49.540 --> 0:20:52.619 emperor Hadrian, which also was a terrible destruction. 0:20:52.859 --> 0:20:55.500 So we learned a lot more than I was expecting. 0:20:55.500 --> 0:20:57.379 So I really appreciate that. 0:20:57.580 --> 0:21:00.619 Okay. Well, yeah, I kind of taught some Jewish history 0:21:00.619 --> 0:21:02.100 in my life so I can give you. 0:21:02.140 --> 0:21:02.459 Well, I can. 0:21:02.460 --> 0:21:03.179 Imagine, you. 0:21:03.180 --> 0:21:06.300 Know. So thank you for. 0:21:06.700 --> 0:21:07.619 Your answer there. 0:21:08.180 --> 0:21:10.419 Okay. Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. We're going to 0:21:10.420 --> 0:21:14.739 talk to, uh, Mary in California. Glad you're listening. All 0:21:14.740 --> 0:21:17.859 the way in California. I'm guessing you're listening online. Welcome 0:21:17.859 --> 0:21:23.940 to Open Line, Mary. How can I help you? Hey, Mary, 0:21:23.940 --> 0:21:26.540 are you there? Hello. Go ahead with your question. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:31.840 Hi, I'm Mary in Pennsylvania. Are you talking to me? 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.640 Oh, yeah, it says California. But go ahead with your 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:36.440 question wherever you are. Okay? 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:37.000 Okay. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:43.000 So this, um, I'm particularly interested in first Corinthians six 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.240 nine through 11 from a general response from you. I've 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:51.440 gone through commentaries trying to understand it more, but specifically 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.440 for a family member who was introduced, sadly, to pornography 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.439 as a child. Uh, I've seen it affect their life, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.080 their thinking, and you probably know how I can just 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:07.280 destroy you. Uh, they say they're saved. Uh, I do 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:13.200 not see the behavior of, um, non-Christian. 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:18.159 Let's not talk about, uh, your your this person. Let's 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.840 just go ahead and ask me a question about this verse, okay? 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.760 Mary, I want you to. Well, the reason I'm presenting 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.650 the person is because it's my son and it affects me. 0:22:27.690 --> 0:22:30.010 I appreciate that, but just go ahead with a question. 0:22:30.050 --> 0:22:33.730 In general, in general goes through this verse for me 0:22:33.730 --> 0:22:36.570 and the many meanings of whether they go to heaven 0:22:36.570 --> 0:22:39.209 or not. And that's where I'm coming from. 0:22:39.810 --> 0:22:42.570 Okay. Let me read the verse for people who are listening. 0:22:42.970 --> 0:22:49.250 It says, don't be deceived. No sexually immoral people, idolaters, 0:22:49.290 --> 0:22:56.330 adulterers or anyone practicing homosexuality. No thieves, greedy, greedy people, drunkards, 0:22:56.330 --> 0:23:02.290 verbally abusive people or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. So 0:23:02.290 --> 0:23:07.010 when we read these verses, it's pretty clear that there 0:23:07.010 --> 0:23:10.890 are some immoral practices, not just sexually immoral. I mean, 0:23:10.930 --> 0:23:16.969 being a swindler, being verbally abusive, being a drunkard, those are, uh, 0:23:17.490 --> 0:23:23.050 lifestyle choices that people are making, that are sinful, that 0:23:23.050 --> 0:23:26.100 keep them from believing in Jesus. And then he says 0:23:26.100 --> 0:23:29.220 in verse 11, and some of you used to be 0:23:29.220 --> 0:23:34.020 like this, but you were washed, you were sanctified, you 0:23:34.020 --> 0:23:37.100 were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus the Messiah, 0:23:37.380 --> 0:23:40.540 and by the spirit of our God. What he is 0:23:40.540 --> 0:23:44.060 saying is you used to have these terrible lifestyle choices, 0:23:44.060 --> 0:23:48.660 but then you came to faith and you were forgiven. Now, 0:23:48.900 --> 0:23:53.859 does this mean that once a person, uh, comes to 0:23:53.900 --> 0:23:56.620 know the Lord, they'll never sin again in these ways? 0:23:56.700 --> 0:23:58.460 I don't think that's what it's saying. It's saying you're 0:23:58.460 --> 0:24:02.420 forgiven of these sins. Romans six tells us that should 0:24:02.420 --> 0:24:05.100 we sin, that grace might abound. Of course not. May 0:24:05.100 --> 0:24:08.500 it never be. Uh, God's going to work and transform 0:24:08.500 --> 0:24:12.100 our lives. But then there are people who are forgiven, 0:24:12.140 --> 0:24:15.540 who will lapse, who will fall. And as a result 0:24:15.540 --> 0:24:19.939 of that, we need to remember that they are still forgiven. Uh, 0:24:19.980 --> 0:24:23.020 and allow God to work in their lives to transform 0:24:23.020 --> 0:24:26.870 For them. They need to work in their lives as well, uh, 0:24:26.869 --> 0:24:31.350 by practicing spiritual disciplines. Uh, but here's the thing I'm 0:24:31.390 --> 0:24:34.310 going to say. If a person has put their trust 0:24:34.310 --> 0:24:39.510 in Jesus, even someone who has made these terrible lifestyle choices, 0:24:40.670 --> 0:24:46.150 then they are washed, sanctified, and justified, declared righteous not 0:24:46.150 --> 0:24:49.430 because of their own righteousness, but because of the righteousness 0:24:49.430 --> 0:24:54.150 of Jesus. And they are saved. What if they lapse? 0:24:54.190 --> 0:24:56.989 They are going to confess their sin. They're going to 0:24:56.990 --> 0:25:00.590 be restored. They're going to practice spiritual disciplines that God 0:25:00.590 --> 0:25:04.350 can use to help them to grow. But it doesn't 0:25:04.350 --> 0:25:06.750 mean that they won't ever sin in this area again. 0:25:07.470 --> 0:25:11.790 It what it means is they are forgiven. Uh, I'm 0:25:11.830 --> 0:25:15.310 not here to justify this behavior after someone becomes a believer. 0:25:15.310 --> 0:25:19.910 I don't think that's good. Uh, but reality tells me 0:25:19.910 --> 0:25:24.090 that people will fall, and God still forgives them. Does 0:25:24.090 --> 0:25:24.850 that help Mary? 0:25:25.730 --> 0:25:29.129 It does. And one more specific question. I totally agree 0:25:29.130 --> 0:25:32.650 with you. If they fall back for 25 or 30 0:25:32.650 --> 0:25:35.050 years and don't turn around. How can you? 0:25:35.050 --> 0:25:37.040 Well, you don't know if they've fallen back for 25 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.250 or 30 years. What you find is that they are 0:25:40.250 --> 0:25:44.810 probably struggling for 25 or 30 years. We'll, uh, we'll 0:25:44.810 --> 0:25:47.250 be back in a moment with the mailbag, so don't 0:25:47.250 --> 0:25:50.050 go away. This is open line with Michael Ray Zelnick. 0:26:07.369 --> 0:26:12.689 Welcome back to Open Line. I am so, so happy. 0:26:12.690 --> 0:26:17.250 I got a text message of a picture last night, 0:26:17.250 --> 0:26:20.660 and it was a picture of the book of Romans, 0:26:20.660 --> 0:26:25.540 commentary from the Moody Bible Commentary, and a mug from 0:26:25.540 --> 0:26:28.300 Open Line. And it was from a friend of mine 0:26:28.300 --> 0:26:31.939 who I had met when she traveled to on the 0:26:31.940 --> 0:26:35.780 Journeys of Paul tour with me last year with Eva 0:26:35.780 --> 0:26:38.220 and I, and she and her husband had just become 0:26:38.380 --> 0:26:42.780 kitchen table partners, and they had received this mug and 0:26:42.820 --> 0:26:46.379 the Romans commentary written by Michael van Landingham from the 0:26:46.380 --> 0:26:49.660 Moody Bible Commentary. And she said, I'm so excited about 0:26:49.660 --> 0:26:54.020 being a kitchen table partner, and I'm excited to. 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And that means so much, uh, people, 0:27:33.350 --> 0:27:35.670 there are benefits, I think, that we try to give 0:27:35.710 --> 0:27:39.590 not only the resource that we give out, uh, as 0:27:39.590 --> 0:27:42.590 a thank you, but also, uh, people can go to 0:27:42.590 --> 0:27:45.470 our website if they are committed to $30 a month 0:27:45.470 --> 0:27:49.590 or more, they can get a anything from the Moody 0:27:49.590 --> 0:27:54.630 Publishers catalog, uh, significant discount. I think it's 40% off. 0:27:54.630 --> 0:28:00.310 Am I right about that, Tricia, or is it 50%, 50%? 50% off? Yeah, 0:28:00.310 --> 0:28:05.830 that's a great, great, uh, thing. And then also, uh, there's, uh, 0:28:05.950 --> 0:28:08.949 the benefit of every other month, every other week, we 0:28:08.990 --> 0:28:12.189 send out a Bible study moment, and, uh, that's a 0:28:12.190 --> 0:28:15.670 little Bible study, an audio Bible study designed exclusively for 0:28:15.670 --> 0:28:18.120 our kitchen table partners. So if you'd like to bring 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.359 them a kitchen table partner, we sure would appreciate it. 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.800 We're so grateful for all of you, but especially those 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.520 of you who make that decision. If you'd like to 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:30.679 become a kitchen table partner, just call (888) 644-7122 or go 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.960 to Open Line radio.org. And we thank you so much 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.960 for that. And joining me right now with the Febc 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:44.000 mailbag is Tricia McMillan. Uh, so grateful for Febc, uh, 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:47.440 Far Eastern Broadcasting Company for their partnership with us. It's 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.840 wonderful Ministry. Check them out by going to Febc and 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.760 also check out their podcast until all have heard, you're 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:59.640 going to love that one. Well, Tricia, uh, there's questions there, 0:28:59.960 --> 0:29:02.840 and I want we're we have a lot of questions 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.840 piling up. We do. And so, uh, in a couple 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:09.120 of weeks, we're going to have a full mailbag program, right? Yes. 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:11.360 But let's see what we can dent it right now. 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:15.719 Okay. All right. Okay. Um, our first question. We've got 0:29:15.820 --> 0:29:19.500 a couple questions from First Corinthians. So Lisa lives in Illinois. 0:29:19.500 --> 0:29:22.100 I got my Bible and it has First Corinthians in it. 0:29:22.300 --> 0:29:26.100 Fantastic. We're we're in good company. Then first Corinthians seven 0:29:26.100 --> 0:29:28.580 is where we're going. Lisa in Illinois listens to the 0:29:28.580 --> 0:29:34.100 podcast and says, in light of First Corinthians seven verse 14, 0:29:34.100 --> 0:29:37.380 which says, for the unbelieving husband is set apart for 0:29:37.380 --> 0:29:40.220 God by the wife. And the unbelieving wife is set 0:29:40.220 --> 0:29:42.980 apart for God by the husband. Otherwise your children would 0:29:42.980 --> 0:29:45.500 be corrupt, but now they are set apart for God. 0:29:46.340 --> 0:29:48.700 Lisa says, I'm born again, was baptized as a child, 0:29:48.700 --> 0:29:51.340 but lived apart from God in my 20s and married 0:29:51.340 --> 0:29:54.380 an unbeliever. After I had children, I started taking them 0:29:54.380 --> 0:29:57.620 to church and working with them. They're now teens and 0:29:57.620 --> 0:30:00.780 are also born again Christians, although not baptized yet. For 0:30:00.780 --> 0:30:05.260 my unbelieving husband, does this verse qualify him to spend 0:30:05.260 --> 0:30:07.940 eternity in heaven or would he be left behind? 0:30:08.900 --> 0:30:11.940 Well, let's really be clear. Jesus said, I am the way, 0:30:11.940 --> 0:30:16.350 the truth and the life, and it's not enough for 0:30:16.350 --> 0:30:22.550 someone to be related by marriage or by parenting to believers. 0:30:23.470 --> 0:30:27.510 First Corinthians seven is making the case that a believer 0:30:27.510 --> 0:30:30.230 who is married to someone who is not a believer, 0:30:30.270 --> 0:30:33.950 that they should, as long as the non-believer, the person 0:30:33.950 --> 0:30:37.150 who has not yet trusted Jesus is willing to stay married. 0:30:37.350 --> 0:30:41.590 Stay married. Don't. Don't try and break up that relationship. 0:30:41.710 --> 0:30:45.350 That's what it's about. And I just want to be 0:30:45.790 --> 0:30:58.230 really clear. John 824 says this, uh, it says, uh. Um, 0:30:58.230 --> 0:31:00.910 let's see if I got the right verse. I've got 0:31:00.910 --> 0:31:04.830 the wrong book. John 824 says, unless you believe that 0:31:04.830 --> 0:31:08.710 I am he, you're still in your sins. Unless you 0:31:08.710 --> 0:31:11.150 believe that I am is literally what it says. Unless 0:31:11.150 --> 0:31:15.640 you believe in me. Jesus says, you're still in your sins. 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:20.920 And why is that so crucial? Well, it's. This is 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.520 what I'm reading it. Ready? If you do not believe 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:27.200 that I am he, you will die in your sins. 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.440 And the. The Greek actually says, unless you believe I am. 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.480 You have to believe in all that Jesus says he is, 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.160 that he is deity, that he died, died for us, 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.000 that he rose again. We have to believe or we're 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:43.160 still in our sins. That's individually for every person. So 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.800 know first Corinthians seven is not saying, by virtue of 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.120 being married to a believer, that the husband or the 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:55.240 wife will be automatically saved. What it is saying is 0:31:55.240 --> 0:32:01.240 that it is more likely for that person to become 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.880 a believer, as long as he stay. Remember, it's the 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.760 idea stay married as long as that person who isn't 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:10.800 a believer is willing to stay with you, because this 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.690 sets up a much better situation, where that spouse would 0:32:14.690 --> 0:32:18.650 be much more likely to believe and come to faith 0:32:18.650 --> 0:32:21.530 in Jesus, and that's how they're set apart. They're in 0:32:21.570 --> 0:32:25.890 a good situation by staying in in that marriage relationship. 0:32:25.890 --> 0:32:30.010 And so if you're concerned about your husband coming to 0:32:30.010 --> 0:32:33.330 know the Lord, stay married to him, stay married to 0:32:33.370 --> 0:32:38.010 him and win him as first Peter three talks about that. 0:32:38.010 --> 0:32:40.570 And and when it says you're set apart, they're in 0:32:40.570 --> 0:32:44.090 a better a better setting. If if you stay married 0:32:44.250 --> 0:32:46.530 than if, if you end up divorcing. 0:32:46.570 --> 0:32:48.650 Okay. And even I think about the stories I've heard 0:32:48.650 --> 0:32:53.290 of the influence of the believing spouse on the unbelieving spouse. 0:32:53.330 --> 0:32:55.290 Like I think of Lee and Leslie Strobel. 0:32:55.770 --> 0:32:56.970 That's exactly what I thought. 0:32:57.010 --> 0:33:00.690 They've shared their story, um, of just seeing that person 0:33:00.690 --> 0:33:03.450 set apart. And we even have talked about it. Um, 0:33:03.650 --> 0:33:07.770 you know, with that, Romans 1111 for the the Jewish 0:33:07.770 --> 0:33:11.180 person watching the Gentile like Act toward them in such 0:33:11.180 --> 0:33:13.300 a way that they ask you, why are you living 0:33:13.300 --> 0:33:15.700 this way? Why are you different? That your spouse can 0:33:15.700 --> 0:33:19.780 see you living differently and ask those questions and see 0:33:19.780 --> 0:33:23.260 that in the the the? I'll say the worst, like 0:33:23.260 --> 0:33:25.980 you're not on display outwardly to everyone else, but you 0:33:25.980 --> 0:33:29.060 are on display to your spouse all the time. Well. 0:33:29.660 --> 0:33:31.739 You know, first Peter three where it talks about the 0:33:31.740 --> 0:33:33.740 wife winning her husband without a word. I think what 0:33:33.740 --> 0:33:38.820 it is is that saying, don't badger your spouse, uh, 0:33:39.580 --> 0:33:43.980 but love your spouse. And in that way you win 0:33:43.980 --> 0:33:46.220 him without a word. Now, obviously, it'll take words. You'll 0:33:46.220 --> 0:33:48.620 have to be able to talk about it, but you'll 0:33:48.660 --> 0:33:52.060 open his heart. He'll want what you have. And and 0:33:52.060 --> 0:33:55.260 that's why God says stay married. If the non-believer is 0:33:55.260 --> 0:33:56.300 willing to stay with you. 0:33:56.300 --> 0:33:59.180 And pray for them, pray for your spouse. Yeah. 0:33:59.660 --> 0:34:03.740 I have dear friends. Uh, really? I thought of Lee 0:34:03.780 --> 0:34:08.480 immediately because Lee Strobel, his wife's. Yeah, his wife's changed life. 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:13.600 But I have a dear friend and his wife's changed life. Uh, 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:18.040 also won him over. And there was actually, uh, at 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.520 their church. They had a a Bible study they started 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.640 called Beloved Unbeliever, and they invited the unbelieving spouses to 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.480 come and try and figure out what your, your spouse 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:32.400 is believing so that you can understand your spouse better. 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.800 And that was a great thing. What a great idea. Yeah. 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.480 You know, we're only inviting you if you don't believe 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.680 so that you can understand what this thing your spouse 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.520 has fallen into. Yeah. And and I have a friend 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.560 who came to the Lord through that. Isn't that something? 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.960 Wow, that's really cool. Yeah. Well, we got one more question. Uh, 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:56.440 from First Corinthians. This goes to chapter 11. Rachel in 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.120 in Illinois listens to WBA and wants to know about 0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.399 women covering their heads and the cultural context of that 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.040 in first Corinthians 11, as far as how it was 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.850 practiced in the early church. she said. The church that 0:35:07.850 --> 0:35:12.090 she attends now practices this in public worship, and the 0:35:12.090 --> 0:35:14.569 chapter is confusing to me, but it's clear God would 0:35:14.570 --> 0:35:17.330 be glorified in this. What are your thoughts on if 0:35:17.330 --> 0:35:19.850 this chapter is referring to women having their heads covered 0:35:19.850 --> 0:35:22.730 in public worship only, or any time they pray? 0:35:27.010 --> 0:35:31.609 Here's how I understand first Corinthians 11. The principle that 0:35:31.610 --> 0:35:34.170 Paul was teaching is that the attitude of deference that 0:35:34.170 --> 0:35:38.530 women were supposed to give to their leadership, to their husbands, 0:35:39.050 --> 0:35:42.730 and it was one of the in the the cultural 0:35:42.730 --> 0:35:47.890 way that they showed that was by being veiled in public. 0:35:49.090 --> 0:35:53.770 So the veiling in public was an outward sign of 0:35:53.810 --> 0:36:00.530 a submissive heart. Now, today, if a woman veiled herself 0:36:00.530 --> 0:36:04.410 completely in church, no one would say, oh, yeah, she's 0:36:04.410 --> 0:36:10.100 she's deferring to the leadership. The veil was a external 0:36:10.100 --> 0:36:15.620 cultural expression of an internal heart attitude. As a result, 0:36:15.620 --> 0:36:18.340 I don't think women need to veil themselves in church anymore. 0:36:18.540 --> 0:36:24.339 But for example, I remember saying how a woman dresses 0:36:24.340 --> 0:36:28.180 in church if if she's going to dress in a 0:36:28.180 --> 0:36:32.740 modest way, in a way that's reflective of that internal 0:36:32.900 --> 0:36:39.580 commitment to God. That submissive, deferential heart. Uh, well, that's 0:36:39.580 --> 0:36:42.220 how they should express it. It doesn't have to be 0:36:42.260 --> 0:36:45.540 with a veil. It has to be with some sort of. 0:36:46.020 --> 0:36:49.859 And I think women can be very stylish, um, but 0:36:49.900 --> 0:36:52.779 still dress in a way that reflects modesty. And I 0:36:52.780 --> 0:36:56.340 would say that's what that's talking about in first Corinthians 11. Okay. 0:36:56.380 --> 0:36:57.540 Okay. All right. Thank you. 0:36:58.140 --> 0:37:00.339 Well, we're going to break here. 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Scroll down until you 0:40:10.790 --> 0:40:13.750 see the link that says A Free gift from Chosen 0:40:13.750 --> 0:40:16.469 People Ministries. Click on that. It'll take you to a 0:40:16.469 --> 0:40:18.509 page where you can sign up for your own free 0:40:18.510 --> 0:40:23.029 copy of Isaiah 53 explained. Uh, we're going to talk 0:40:23.030 --> 0:40:26.630 with Jason in Cleveland, Ohio, listening on CRF. Welcome to 0:40:26.670 --> 0:40:28.990 Open Line, Jason. How can I help you? 0:40:30.469 --> 0:40:30.750 Thank you. 0:40:30.790 --> 0:40:35.469 Doctor. Uh, I appreciate your help on this question. Um, 0:40:35.469 --> 0:40:39.150 my question is, is when Jesus was being. No. Thank you. Um, 0:40:39.190 --> 0:40:42.590 my question is, is when Jesus was being baptized, was 0:40:42.590 --> 0:40:46.589 the significance of the dove descending on him more for John? 0:40:47.110 --> 0:40:50.310 And if not, was there any significance for Jesus? 0:40:52.710 --> 0:40:53.830 I have no idea. 0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.280 I don't believe it. I don't believe. 0:40:59.280 --> 0:40:59.440 It. 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.920 Well, no, I really don't know. What I know is this, uh, 0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:11.040 it's written in the text. The significance wasn't for Jesus 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.200 or for John, but in the text, it was written 0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:18.640 for the reader. And it was to say that the 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:23.359 the Spirit of God descended on Jesus, and it was a, uh, 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:29.040 affirmation of his spirit empowered ministry. So for those of 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.040 its it was the original reader. And for you, Jason, 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.240 and for me, it's to say the Lord Jesus earthly 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.640 ministry was fully empowered by the Holy Spirit of God. 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:43.360 In other words, what this is saying is his ministry 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:49.080 wasn't just his deity taken over, but he was the 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:53.440 God man. And what he was doing was being empowered 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:57.819 by the Spirit of God, not himself. That's what it's 0:41:57.820 --> 0:42:01.140 saying to the reader. So, you know, so. 0:42:01.140 --> 0:42:01.900 Often. 0:42:01.900 --> 0:42:04.859 So often I, I think people we ask, what was 0:42:04.860 --> 0:42:08.700 the significance of this for the characters in the story 0:42:08.700 --> 0:42:11.100 and the narrative that we're reading before us? And I 0:42:11.100 --> 0:42:14.259 think we ought to be asking, what is the significance 0:42:14.660 --> 0:42:17.060 for the reader, because that's why it was written down 0:42:17.060 --> 0:42:20.380 for us. Okay. 0:42:20.980 --> 0:42:22.180 Okay. Yeah. 0:42:22.219 --> 0:42:22.580 Does that. 0:42:22.580 --> 0:42:25.140 Help? I looked at when Jesus said it does, but 0:42:25.140 --> 0:42:29.660 I get I'm a little unclear because Jesus was fully God. 0:42:30.060 --> 0:42:34.060 And so, John, I guess I'm looking at John needing 0:42:34.060 --> 0:42:37.899 more understanding of this is Jesus's ministry. And now he's 0:42:37.900 --> 0:42:42.780 going to proclaim it. Um, but I guess the dove 0:42:42.820 --> 0:42:45.260 is not something Jesus needed. He was fully God. 0:42:45.660 --> 0:42:47.980 Yeah, he he knew that. But I was saying to 0:42:48.219 --> 0:42:51.940 the reader, uh, you and me when we read this, 0:42:51.940 --> 0:42:55.550 that Jesus wasn't just doing this because he's God. he 0:42:55.590 --> 0:43:00.070 self limits himself and he's operating as a generally speaking, 0:43:00.110 --> 0:43:03.470 I mean, he obviously in John he knows he's omniscient, 0:43:03.469 --> 0:43:06.430 but he self limits himself so much and does things 0:43:06.430 --> 0:43:10.950 by the power of the Holy Spirit. That's what it's saying. 0:43:11.230 --> 0:43:11.590 Perfect. 0:43:11.590 --> 0:43:15.870 Okay. Okay. Thank you Jason. Appreciate it. We're going to 0:43:15.870 --> 0:43:20.590 speak with Victor in Milner, Georgia listening on WMV. Welcome 0:43:20.590 --> 0:43:23.230 to Open Line, Victor. How can I help you? 0:43:23.750 --> 0:43:25.150 Thank you so much for having me. 0:43:26.510 --> 0:43:27.989 Sure. How can I help you? 0:43:28.030 --> 0:43:32.750 Um, I'm. I have a question about revelation three nine. Um, 0:43:32.790 --> 0:43:34.870 you know how everything's going on, and a lot of 0:43:34.870 --> 0:43:41.270 people are being divided, um, about the support of current Israel. And, um, 0:43:42.350 --> 0:43:46.910 I want to know if I, as a Christian, am. 0:43:49.030 --> 0:43:54.919 Supposed to, um, back the government of Israel. 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:02.160 Oh, this is the whole thing with, uh, Tucker and, oh, 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.160 the government of Israel. He he just doesn't understand it. 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:08.400 You're talking about what you're trying to do is call 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:11.760 by saying this. By asking this, you're saying that Israel 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.000 is the synagogue of Satan who claim to be Jews 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.400 and are not. Is that what you're saying about revelation 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:18.080 three nine? 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.840 I haven't heard that. I honestly, um, no, my family 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.400 is split in half. So I've been I've been trying 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:26.480 to find, um. 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:28.400 Okay, you know what? I only got a minute. Let 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:31.839 me just tell you this. Revelation three nine is not 0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:35.400 talking about the state of Israel. It's not even I'm 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:36.920 going to tell you who it's talking about. 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:38.600 Okay? 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:40.399 I come with this with. 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.600 Let me let me tell you who it's talking about. Uh, 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:51.860 it's it's talking about, uh, people, likely Gentiles Miles who 0:44:51.860 --> 0:44:55.259 were teaching that they that in order for someone to 0:44:55.260 --> 0:45:00.940 be saved, they had to convert to Judaism and be circumcised. 0:45:01.940 --> 0:45:05.180 And they were adding a work is what Galatians forbids. 0:45:05.380 --> 0:45:07.899 And so he says, take note. I will make those 0:45:07.900 --> 0:45:12.180 from the synagogue of Satan who claim to be Jews 0:45:12.460 --> 0:45:16.299 and are not they're not even Jewish. But they took 0:45:16.340 --> 0:45:21.780 the circumcision as a prerequisite for salvation before faith. Uh, 0:45:21.780 --> 0:45:24.180 they are Jews. They claim to be Jews, but are 0:45:24.180 --> 0:45:27.380 not and are lying. Note this I will make them 0:45:27.380 --> 0:45:30.380 come and bow down at your feet. In other words, 0:45:30.380 --> 0:45:34.580 what Jesus is saying. These Gentiles who have converted to 0:45:34.620 --> 0:45:37.700 Judaism so they could be believers in Jesus, and they're 0:45:37.739 --> 0:45:41.259 adding a work to salvation. They're wrong. That's in a 0:45:41.300 --> 0:45:45.500 community or teaching a false teaching which is sourced in 0:45:45.500 --> 0:45:48.060 the enemy. It's not talking about Israel. It's not talking 0:45:48.060 --> 0:45:51.950 about Jewish people. It's talking about people who claim to 0:45:51.950 --> 0:45:56.589 be Jewish but are not, uh, because they've gone through 0:45:56.590 --> 0:46:00.310 this ritual circumcision. They just claim to be Jewish. So 0:46:00.310 --> 0:46:02.670 it's not talking about Israel at all, so you don't 0:46:02.670 --> 0:46:07.710 have to worry about that. Okay, well, that's the program 0:46:07.710 --> 0:46:10.029 for the week. I just needed to be clear about that. 0:46:10.070 --> 0:46:13.549 Synagogue of Satan thing. Uh, I'm glad that we had 0:46:13.550 --> 0:46:16.270 an opportunity to talk about that. Uh, next week, we'll 0:46:16.270 --> 0:46:20.030 be back. Talk about more of your questions about the Bible, God, 0:46:20.030 --> 0:46:24.830 and the spiritual life. Uh, thanks to, uh, Tricia McMillan 0:46:24.830 --> 0:46:28.470 and to Lisa and to Omar and Reena, uh, for 0:46:28.469 --> 0:46:31.310 all that they've done today to make this program possible, 0:46:31.310 --> 0:46:33.350 keep in touch with us by going to our website, 0:46:33.350 --> 0:46:37.629 Openline Radio.com, and you'll find all the links you're looking 0:46:37.630 --> 0:46:39.910 for there. Keep reading the Bible. We'll talk about it 0:46:39.910 --> 0:46:43.029 next week. Open line with Doctor Michael Melnick is a 0:46:43.030 --> 0:46:47.910 production of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.