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S2: My day is going great. John. Thank you for asking.

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S1: Well, you know, I'm thinking about the fact that as believers,

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S3: You know, unfortunately, these types of people are not new

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S3: Well, it tells us in a very real sense that

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S3: Well, I'm very grateful to Moody Bible Institute for giving

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S3: You know, I think there are instances where where certain

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S3: human shields. So sometimes it's difficult to even grapple with

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S3: how someone would not be able to see these dynamics

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S3: at play. But I do think it's a it's a

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S3: spiritual deception that the enemy wants to cloak people's eyes

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S3: from what's clearly out there.

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S1: Let's leave listeners with some practical advice for getting involved

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S1: in confronting anti-Semitism. What thoughts do you have, David?

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S3: Well, first and foremost, I think we should be students

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S3: of the scriptures. I think that's our best roadmap going forward,

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S3: both in understanding the calling that God has for the church,

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S3: the calling he has on the Jewish people, the relationship

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S3: between the church and the Jewish people, how people can

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S3: provoke Jewish people to jealousy. Listen, my heart has always

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S3: been to see my people come to a saving knowledge

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S3: of Jesus. That's all I, that's my that's my be all,

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S3: end all. So study the scriptures because God is very,

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S3: very clear on how he wants us to act, how

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S3: he wants us to conduct ourselves. There's a lot of

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S3: great resources. People can be educated. If you want a

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S3: and that's a faith based news outlet that gives you

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S3: a great website called David's Tent Org where you can

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S3: get newsletters on more historical, geographical, biblical perspective. It's a

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S3: wonderful website. There's also great news outlets. I know, you know,

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S3: if you want something in English, there's a website called

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S3: in Israel, but I would recommend there's actually a book

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S3: that came out very recently that I would highly recommend.

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S3: It's a book by a fellow named Douglas Murray. The

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S3: book is called On Democracies and Death Cults, and it

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S3: basically talks about a lot of what happened on October 7th,

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S3: what led up to it, what's happened since then. But

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S3: it gives a really great perspective on the cultural background

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S3: I would recommend that you can go to website like

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S3: Standwithus comm. If you want to be more proactive in

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S3: your advocacy. They have great resources. They can probably partner

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S3: but I think those are some of the practical, maybe

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S3: advocacy things that people can do, but also pray. I

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S3: think maybe the most important thing we can do is pray.

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S3: Paul tells us in Romans ten that his desire is

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S3: that the Jewish people would be saved. He tells us

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S3: to share the gospel with them. He tells us to

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S3: to intercede on their behalf. So if you know, Jewish

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S3: appreciate knowing that you're in their corner, knowing that you're

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S3: standing with them in this difficult time. Because in America,

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S3: it's not only happening in the Middle East, there are

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S3: Jewish people suffering in America as well.

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S1: Great. Well, David, thank you for those perspectives. Very practical

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S1: tips there, and I appreciate your coming on the program today.

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S1: Hope you have a wonderful day.

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S3: Thank you John. Take care. Blessings.

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S1: That's David Boesky and our friend Gerald Peterman is in

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S1: the studio to look at your Bible questions. Next on

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S1: the land and the book. There is nothing so satisfying

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S1: as getting an answer to a truly ponderous Bible question.

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S1: At least that's my opinion. Hi, I'm John Geiger. Welcome

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S1: to segment three of The Land and the book. Always

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S1: a pleasure to sit across from Doctor Gerald Peterman of

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S1: our Moody Bible Institute faculty who's never lacking for questions.

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S4: I've noticed The, uh, ponderous, sir. The better.

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S1: I like your grammar. That's good. Well, here's a thought, though. First,

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S1: as we, uh, start off this segment, as believers, there's

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S1: a great need for us to share the gospel with

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S1: the Jewish people. In fact, many of our listeners faithfully

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S1: pray and partner with ministries that are doing just that.

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S1: But what if you could personally take part in bringing

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S1: the gospel to Jewish people? Well, our friends at Life

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S1: and Messiah love the opportunity to get believers involved in

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S1: Jewish ministry. And they regularly organize outreach teams to Brooklyn,

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S1: South Florida, even to Israel outside of times of conflict.

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S1: And these ministry trips will equip you to understand how

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S1: to share the gospel with Jewish people, give you the

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S1: opportunity to actively share your faith, and provide tools and

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S1: resources that you can take home with you. If you

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S1: want to get hands on training and practical experience in

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S1: Jewish evangelism, you can learn more by visiting Life in

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S1: Messiah and clicking on the Moody Radio button. That's life

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S1: in Messiah. Oh well, as always, never a shortage of

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S1: Bible questions. Doctor Peterman, let's dig in with this question

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S1: from Betty. She takes us to Proverbs 31 asking, who

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S1: was Lemuel? Was he a Hebrew king? Not documented anywhere

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S1: in kings? Or was he from some other country or

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S4: I've wondered the question Who is Lemuel? The answer is

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S4: we don't know. His name means something like belonging to God.

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S4: But there's no record of any Hebrew king by this name.

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S4: It seems very unlikely to me that it's Solomon. It

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S4: seems very likely to me that we have a Gentile

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S4: who's become a proselyte to Judaism, and he's written all

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S4: sorts of proverbs. And then the collectors thought, Lemuel has

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S4: got some wisdom. Let's incorporate some of his stuff into

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S1: So the short answer is, we don't really know, but

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S1: that's a pretty good guess. Yeah. Alice asks. I've heard

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S1: that Angel really means messenger, is that correct?

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S4: Well, the short answer is yes it does. So if

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S4: you're reading in Luke seven, for instance, when John the

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S4: Baptist has a really low point, he's beginning to doubt Jesus.

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S4: He sends a couple of his disciples to Jesus to ask,

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S4: are you the one we're waiting for? Or is it

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S4: someone else? And then Jesus gives a response, you know

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S4: I'm the Messiah. And then it says that John's angels,

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S4: his messengers, you know, went back to John. So sometimes

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S4: the messenger is a human person, although of course, other

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S4: times the angel is this frightening divine character from God

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S4: who often just scares people. Remember Zechariah? Yeah. He's just frightened. Uh,

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S4: so Angel a messenger for sure.

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S1: Yeah. And this concept of light, you know, I think

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S1: of the Star Wars films. They've done a great job

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S1: imaging some of these characters. Yeah, but imagine something so

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S1: supernaturally bright that it just drops you to your face.

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S4: Yes. This is happening over and over and over in scripture,

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S4: when people encounter angels, pretty much they are terrified and

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S4: the light is just stunning for them.

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S1: Yeah, they're not these fuzzy little creatures that we see

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S1: in gift shops.

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S4: Right, right.

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S1: All right. David's question. He says, I was reading in

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S1: judges 11 about Jephthah's vow to the Lord regarding the

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S1: would offer to the Lord as a burnt offering whatever

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S1: came out of his house first. When he returned home

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S1: while his daughter came out and she mourned her virginity

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S1: for two months, and then he did what he had vowed. Well,

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S1: the passage speaks of mourning her virginity. I have heard

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S1: that she had not been offered as a burnt offering,

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S1: but that she would not marry and not have children.

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S1: Human sacrifice is never condoned in the scriptures. Am I

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S1: am I onto a right explanation here?

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S4: David is on to a right explanation. Yes. The. I

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S4: I've got three reasons for this. That is. First, the

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S4: to do this vow. Well, this is not a Holy

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S4: Spirit inspired vow. If he knows, it means sacrificing his daughter. Right.

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S4: And and then if he knows, this means sacrificing his daughter.

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S4: And then it says a burnt offering. But if you

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S4: go to Leviticus and what the law says about burnt offering,

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S4: that would be a male, not a female. And then lastly,

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S4: what's really strange, and David points this out, is she

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S4: mourns her virginity. What's all that about? It's about this.

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S4: She is his only child. If he's going to have

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S4: But if she's offered up to God to serve only

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S4: God and to be single the rest of her life,

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S4: I take it this is what the vow means. He

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S4: has no family. That is something for both of them

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S4: to mourn.

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S1: Yeah. This is the land and the book from Moody Radio.

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S1: Doctor Gerald Peterman is answering our Bible questions. I'm John Gager.

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S1: And you know that particularly, uh, this answer you just

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S1: referenced stands out to me. You know, in our culture,

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S1: children increasingly are not viewed as a big thing, but

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S1: families and children and lineage, absolute musts in ancient Israel.

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S4: Oh, family. Very, very highly valued. What do we hear

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S4: from Scripture? Offspring comes from God as a gift. So

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S4: to have a large family is a blessing from God.

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S1: Rich has a question for us. He says. Last month,

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S1: we went to Luke 22 where Jesus says, this cup

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S1: is the new covenant in my blood. And then quickly.

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S1: Pastor added that Luke 22 relates to a prophecy in

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S1: Jeremiah 31. So that afternoon I went to Jeremiah 31,

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S1: but it led to a bunch of other questions. Jeremiah

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S1: it's for Israel as a Gentile, am I allowed in? Well.

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S4: I'm going to answer a question not asked. I want

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S4: more people like Rich in my congregation. Yeah. When I

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S4: hear something from the pulpit, I'm going to investigate that.

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S4: So to get back to Rich's question, the shorter answer

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S4: is yes. As a Gentile, you are allowed in. How

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S4: do we know this? All right. We know this because

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S4: all the way back to Genesis 12, God has been

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S4: would be blessed. And then we come to Matthew 28.

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S4: What do we find? Our Lord carries that on. That is,

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S4: he doesn't say, go make disciples of all Jews, although

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S4: that is something very important that we ought to be

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S4: doing it. He says, go make disciples of all nations.

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S4: So in other words, all nations, Gentiles, I'm included, are

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S4: going to be enjoying benefits from the Messiah.

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S1: We've got some other Jeremiah 31 questions queued up here

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S1: as well. Let's get to them. This listener wants to

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S1: know is Jeremiah 31 the only place in the Old

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S1: Testament where the New Covenant is mentioned?

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S4: Yes, that is a great Question if we're looking for

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S4: just those two words together. New Covenant Jeremiah 31 is

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S4: the only place. It's a very important place. But many

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S4: times God speaks to us using different words. Yes. And

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S4: so we go back to our Old Testament and we

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S4: search and we find words like everlasting covenant. Isaiah 55

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S4: incline your ear. Come to me, hear, and your soul

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S4: may live. I will make with you an everlasting covenant,

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S4: my steadfast, sure love for David. This is long past

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S4: the time of David, some 200 years after David. There's

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S4: going to be a new covenant, or I should say,

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S4: an everlasting covenant built on his promises. This is about

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S4: the Davidic king. This is about the greater Son of David.

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S4: Let me take you to one more passage. If we

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S4: if we go to Ezekiel. Now, I know, folks, some

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S4: of that stuff is really hard, but hang in there.

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S4: If we go to Ezekiel 36 all throughout the book

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S4: of Ezekiel, the prophet talks about God's people having a

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S4: heart of stone. They're very hard hearted. Oh, and then

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S4: he opens up with a fantastic promise. This is Ezekiel 36.

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S4: I'm going to start at verse 24, for I will

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S4: take you from the nations and gather you from all

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S4: the countries, and will bring you into your own land.

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S4: I will also sprinkle clean water on you. You will

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S4: be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities

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S4: and all your idols. I will give you a new heart.

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S4: There's a good word and a new spirit within you.

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S4: I will remove your heart of stone. I will give

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S4: you a heart of flesh. I will place my spirit

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S4: within you and cause you to follow my statutes. Now,

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S4: the New Covenant is not mentioned explicitly in this passage,

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S4: but that is a new covenant promise. Receiving the Holy

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S1: Yes.

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S4: Ah, that's just wonderful stuff.

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S1: Well, I never saw that there before. Thank you for

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S1: showing that to me.

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S4: One of my favorite texts of the Old Testament.

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S1: Well, we've got one more Jeremiah 31 question, and it's

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S1: this if I've got the law of God written on

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S1: my heart, like Jeremiah 3133 says, am I supposed to

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S1: obey all the commandments in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

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S4: Rich, rich, thank you for asking really tough questions, I

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S4: appreciate that. In most English translations of Jeremiah 31, we find.

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S4: I will write my law on their heart. The Hebrew

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S4: term for law here is Torah. Perhaps you've heard that

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S4: term before. But Torah is the general term for guidance

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S4: or teaching or instruction. In Genesis 26, that's long before

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S4: the law of Moses is given. It said that Abraham

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S4: obeys God's Torah, his instruction. So Jeremiah promises that with

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S4: the new covenant, God will write his instruction on her heart.

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S4: I take it this instruction is written on our heart

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S4: through rebirth by the Holy Spirit, and by his dwelling

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S4: with us to guide us into his will.

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S1: Doctor Gerald Peterman answering questions this week and every week

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S1: on the land and the book. I should mention that

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S1: you can get your question to him with a quick

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S1: email to the land and the book at. Again, that's

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S1: the land and the book at. Give him a few

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S1: days to get to your question. He'll email you back

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S1: and then be patient as we work it into the broadcast.

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S1: The land and the book at Moody. Charlie Dyer's devotional

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S1: is coming right up. Sure appreciate you staying with us

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S1: here at the Land and the book. I'm John Geiger,

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S1: our host, doctor Charlie Dyer. We're heading into our fourth

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S1: and final segment. It's a favorite for many. Charlie, I

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S1: have to tell you, in the trips we've taken to

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S1: Israel together, I have made just zero progress with my Hebrew.

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S1: And in fact, I'm amazed at the number of things

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S1: that I find virtually impossible to pronounce among them. Tisha B'Av.

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S1: What are we talking about here?

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S2: Tisha is the number nine, and AV is a month

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S2: in the Jewish calendar. So Tisha B'Av is the ninth

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S2: of the month of AV.

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S1: All right. And that's our focus in the devotional you're

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S1: about to hear after we listen to this Holy Land experience.

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S5: Hello. My name is Tony Laurinaitis, and, uh, the thing

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S5: I remembered most about Israel is just how it's added

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S5: a whole new dimension. Uh, when I go to read

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S5: the scripture, just seeing the places that we've been to, uh,

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S5: now has far more significance. As I read about, uh,

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S5: various books in the Bible that refer to geographical locations and,

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S5: and the people that, uh, were an integral part of

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S5: each book. Just seeing how the Lord has worked and

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S5: with each person, and how their faith and obedience with

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S5: the Lord helped them get through areas around the Dead

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S5: Sea and through the valleys. And just it adds a

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S5: whole new dimension to Scripture.

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S6: Hi, this is daddy Laura. I have to say that

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S6: the high ceilings and having all of us sing, um,

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S6: it is well with my soul was like being at

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S6: heaven's gates with all of my brothers and sisters in Christ,

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S6: and just waiting for the Lord to accept us into

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S6: his kingdom there. And it was a beautiful, beautiful moment

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S6: and just finalized the trip and just felt like I

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S6: was there with my Lord. Thank you.

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S1: All right, Charlie, take it away with today's devotional.

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S2: Okay. Thanks, John. Well, I gotta to ask you and

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S2: everybody listening. Do you suffer from Friggatriskaidekaphobia? Well, that's the

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S2: fear of Friday the 13th. Those who do believe bad

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S2: things happen on that particular day. And some look to

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S2: history for proof. On Friday, August 13th, 1521, the Aztec

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S2: Empire came to an end. On Friday, September 13th, 1940,

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S2: German bombs hit Buckingham Palace in London, destroying the chapel

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S2: on Friday, November 13th, 1970. A cyclone killed 300,000 people

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S2: in Bangladesh on Friday, January 13th, 2012. The Costa Concordia

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S2: cruise ship ran aground and capsized, killing 32 people. And

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S2: if you're really concerned about bad things happening on Friday

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S2: the 13th. Scientists are predicting an asteroid will come extremely

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S2: close to Earth on Friday, April 13th, 2029. So it

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S2: certainly looks as if bad things do happen on Friday

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S2: the 13th. But stop and think about that for a moment.

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S2: of the year. The events I just described didn't single

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S2: out any one country or group. They're just random events

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S2: worldwide that happen to take place on the 13th day

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S2: of any given month. That was a Friday a coincidence? Yes. Significance? No.

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S2: Not really. But there is one day that does seem

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S2: to hold such significance. A day that causes Friday the

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S2: 13th to pale in comparison. A day that's brought untold tragedy, pain,

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S2: loss and sorrow multiple times over to the Jewish people.

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S2: That day is the ninth of AV, a day with

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S2: a history of sad, tragic and even horrific events. The

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S2: usually beginning somewhere in August. Tisha B'Av, which, as we

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S2: said before, means the ninth day of AV begins this

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S2: Saturday night and extends through Sunday, and its arrival marks

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S2: a day of fasting and mourning for the Jewish people.

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S2: But what makes this day so tragic? Well, here's a

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S2: partial list of events, all of which took place on

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S2: was crushed in A.D. 132, and more than 100,000 Jews

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S2: were killed on that one day. One year later, the

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S2: been sent out by Moses returned to give their report

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S2: on the Promised Land. It's the day the Jews were

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S2: expelled from England in 1290. It's the day the Jews

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S2: were expelled from France in 1306. It's the day the

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S2: Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492. It's the day

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S2: Party to begin implementing the Final Solution, which ultimately killed

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S2: 6 million Jews in Europe. It's easy to see why

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S2: this day is the most sorrowful day of the year

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S2: for the Jewish people. The ninth of AV was recognized

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S2: as a time of sorrow as early as the Babylonian captivity.

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S2: In fact, it was the subject of a question posed

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S2: to the prophet Zechariah by a group of exiles who

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S2: been doing for so many years, the Babylonians captured Jerusalem

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S2: on the ninth day of the fourth month, and one

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S2: month later, the commander of Nebuchadnezzar's army gave the order

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S2: to set fire to the temple of the Lord. Throughout

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S2: the Babylonian captivity, the people did mourn the capture of

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S2: the city on the fourth month. But the focus of

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S2: temple in the fifth month, on the ninth of AV.

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S2: That's why this day was a day of mourning and sorrow.

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S2: But now a remnant had returned, and they were in

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S2: the process of rebuilding the temple. They came to Zechariah

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S2: to ask if they should continue mourning the destruction of

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S2: Solomon's Temple, now that a new one was being built. Well,

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S2: we know from history that they did continue to mourn

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S2: in sorrow on this day. And we also know that

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S2: a host of other tragic events which occurred on the

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S2: same day, have added to that sense of sorrow. Now,

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S2: if this devotional only looked to the past, it would

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S2: certainly be a tragic reminder of how seriously God views sin.

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S2: But when Zechariah shared God's answer to the Remnant's question,

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S2: his response looked beyond the past and even the present

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S2: to offer hope for the future. Zechariah pointed to a

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S2: time when all of God's days of fasting and mourning

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S2: would become days of feasting and joy. This is what

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S2: the Lord Almighty says. The fast of the fourth, fifth, seventh,

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S2: and 10th months will become joyful and glad occasions and

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S2: happy festivals for Judah. So when will that day come?

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S2: In chapter eight, Zechariah used the phrase this is what

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S2: follows that phrase with new details about when they could

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S2: expect God to turn sorrow into joy. That amazing transformation

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S2: will take place when God returns to Zion and dwells

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S2: in Jerusalem on his holy mountain. When the city is

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S2: again filled with God's people, both old and young, when

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S2: God is working in miraculous ways to restore and protect

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S2: his people, when all the blessings God promised to the

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S2: the world come to Jerusalem to seek out the God

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S2: come to pass, but they will. When Jesus, the promised Messiah,

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S2: on David's throne, to rule as King of kings and

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S2: Lord of lords, and to fulfill all God's promises to Israel.

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S2: And frankly, that day could be drawing near. But what

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S2: lessons can we take with us from the ninth of AV?

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S2: Perhaps it's this we all experience times of pain, sorrow, tragedy,

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S2: and loss. And when those times come, we're faced with

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S2: overwhelm us, to paralyze us, to force us into a

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S2: perpetual loop of anger, hurt and pain. Or we can

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S2: acknowledge our sorrow and then turn to the God of

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S2: all comfort, the God who promised to turn the ninth

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S2: of AR from a time of fasting into a time

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S2: of feasting, has also given promises to us. He's promised

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S2: to send his peace to guard our hearts, to comfort

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S2: us with his presence, and someday to wipe away every

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S2: tear from our eyes. If you're experiencing pain, sorrow, loss,

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S2: or hurt today, search out the God of all comfort

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S2: and then watch him work through your life in a

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S2: way that will replace your sorrow with peace and your

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S2: sadness with joy.

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S1: Boy, those are amazing, amazing statistics or quotes there, Charlie,

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S1: on all those events from the 13th. Thank you for

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S1: sharing that devotional and its application as well, Charlie. A

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S1: lot of people are still unaware and not taking advantage

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S1: of our podcast. Boy, I wish they would, don't you?

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S2: I do, John, because they could go back if they

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S2: but it provides an opportunity to hear what we've said,

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S2: the whole program at their convenience, on their time schedule.

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S1: And you say, where do I find this podcast? Head

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S1: and the book. Thanks for checking out the podcast. Thanks

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S1: for hanging out with us today. On behalf of Charlie Dyer,

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S1: our host, and Anderson, our producer, I'm John Gager and

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S1: the Land and the book is a production of Moody Radio,

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