WEBVTT - Hour 2: More Bible Q & A with Mike Fabarez 0:00:08.510 --> 0:00:10.850 Well. Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of 0:00:10.850 --> 0:00:14.360 Open Line with Doctor Michael Riedel, Nick Moody Radio's Bible 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.630 Study Across America, as we call it. We're here taking 0:00:17.630 --> 0:00:20.150 questions from you about the Bible, about God, about the 0:00:20.150 --> 0:00:22.520 Christian life, about something you're facing. My name is doctor 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.509 Mike Fabares. I'm filling in for Doctor Michael Riedel. Nick, 0:00:26.510 --> 0:00:29.720 we both have the same first name and difficult to 0:00:29.750 --> 0:00:33.260 pronounce last names, but he's out traveling. I'm here in studio, 0:00:33.260 --> 0:00:36.350 and I'm answering your questions. He is in a great 0:00:36.350 --> 0:00:40.460 educational trip, and he's visiting Turkey and Greece and Rome 0:00:40.460 --> 0:00:42.860 and all those great places where the apostle Paul was. 0:00:42.890 --> 0:00:46.340 And it's not just about vacationing, it's about learning, learning 0:00:46.340 --> 0:00:48.920 the truth of God's Word. And Michael is working hard. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.510 So pray for him right now. I know he's on 0:00:50.510 --> 0:00:52.820 the other side of the world, but pray that he 0:00:52.820 --> 0:00:55.400 would be a great teacher, that people's light bulbs would 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.680 come on in their minds. Just pray for him and 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.250 for that whole team that's out there studying with him 0:01:00.250 --> 0:01:04.210 on a vacation slash educational trip for them. But a 0:01:04.209 --> 0:01:07.000 work trip for Doctor Rydell. And we're so grateful for him. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:08.620 What a great man. And we can't wait for him 0:01:08.620 --> 0:01:10.030 to be back. And he should be back with us 0:01:10.030 --> 0:01:13.330 next week. My name Mike Varvaris I am the pastor 0:01:13.330 --> 0:01:16.390 of Compass Bible Church here in South Orange County, a 0:01:16.390 --> 0:01:19.390 place called Aliso Viejo. If you know where that is, 0:01:19.390 --> 0:01:21.520 you get a gold star so you can give yourself 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:22.990 a pat on the back if you know where Aliso 0:01:22.990 --> 0:01:26.679 Viejo is. And I am the Bible teacher on Focalpoint radio, 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.500 which I hope you listen to here on Moody Radio. 0:01:29.530 --> 0:01:32.950 I've got some moody publications that I've written, and I 0:01:32.950 --> 0:01:36.040 wrote one, I'll just say for another publisher, harvest House. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:40.030 And it is about mistakes people make about heaven, hell 0:01:40.030 --> 0:01:42.070 in the afterlife. If you look that up, I know 0:01:42.069 --> 0:01:43.750 that's going to answer a lot of the questions about 0:01:43.750 --> 0:01:46.030 what we have been dealing with just before the break. 0:01:46.030 --> 0:01:47.710 And I'm going to go back to John here in 0:01:47.710 --> 0:01:49.810 just a second to talk about it. But if you 0:01:49.810 --> 0:01:52.150 have a question and you're patient, then you give us 0:01:52.150 --> 0:01:56.950 a call (877) 548-3675. I'll do my best to get through 0:01:56.950 --> 0:01:59.530 as many of these questions as I can. If you 0:01:59.530 --> 0:02:02.680 want to write in a question open line radio, or 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.660 you can just look for that little button there. Ask 0:02:04.660 --> 0:02:06.880 Michael a question, fill out that form and we'll put 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.430 it in the mailbag. Probably get around to it in 0:02:09.430 --> 0:02:12.580 future broadcasts, but we'd love to get it. We've got 0:02:12.580 --> 0:02:15.280 so much going on here. Let's get back to John's 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.980 question in Florida. John, just before the break, you asked 0:02:17.980 --> 0:02:20.260 about heaven, and I'm going to say this. Let me 0:02:20.290 --> 0:02:23.410 quote Mark Twain. He was a gifted writer, but a 0:02:23.410 --> 0:02:27.520 terrible critic of Christianity. And one day he blasphemously said, hey, 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.560 you Christians, you can go to heaven if you want. 0:02:29.590 --> 0:02:32.530 I'd rather stay right here in Bermuda. That was one 0:02:32.530 --> 0:02:35.380 of his favorites vacation getaway spots. And I'll tell you what, 0:02:35.380 --> 0:02:38.200 the reason Mark Twain would rather go to Bermuda than 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.310 Heaven is because he thinks heaven is something other than 0:02:42.310 --> 0:02:44.020 what it is. He can go to Bermuda and see 0:02:44.050 --> 0:02:46.750 people riding bikes and playing golf and shopping and riding 0:02:46.750 --> 0:02:49.450 horseback on the beach and sitting there and soaking in 0:02:49.450 --> 0:02:53.050 the sun and on their catamarans and scuba diving and 0:02:53.050 --> 0:02:55.690 all the rest, eating right there by the water. It's beautiful. 0:02:55.690 --> 0:02:58.090 I've been there. It's a beautiful place. But I'll tell 0:02:58.090 --> 0:03:00.250 you what. He didn't want heaven because he thinks it's 0:03:00.250 --> 0:03:03.489 some cotton ball cloud and see through body. It's not. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.800 It is not. Second Peter three says it is a 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:10.690 new earth in which righteousness dwells. Okay, there's some beauty 0:03:10.690 --> 0:03:13.360 in Bermuda for sure. But I'll tell you what. There's 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:14.830 a lot of sin there. Just go to the crime 0:03:14.830 --> 0:03:18.370 blotter in Bermuda. You can find crooks. You can find 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.040 you can find larceny. You can find a white collar 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.410 crimes in their banking industry. It's not. It's not a 0:03:23.410 --> 0:03:27.190 perfect place. And there's cemeteries there because people die on Bermuda. 0:03:27.220 --> 0:03:30.310 Guess what? No tears, no suffering, no pain. You have 0:03:30.310 --> 0:03:34.390 no locks, no safes. Everyone is going to be righteous there. 0:03:34.389 --> 0:03:36.580 They're going to be set in their righteousness in a 0:03:36.580 --> 0:03:39.010 bodily existence. You're going to have fingernails. You're going to 0:03:39.010 --> 0:03:41.710 have eyelashes. You're going to have a nose. You're going 0:03:41.710 --> 0:03:43.450 to have lips. You're going to have teeth. You are 0:03:43.450 --> 0:03:47.410 going to have a bodily existence, a perfect body in 0:03:47.410 --> 0:03:51.220 a in a perfect place, in a physical environment. Right. 0:03:51.250 --> 0:03:54.790 We just need to understand that. Let me just give 0:03:54.790 --> 0:03:59.240 you a sense here from a real theologian, Jonathan Edwards 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.100 said years ago, if we spend our lives in the 0:04:01.100 --> 0:04:05.840 pursuit of a temporal happiness, such as riches or sensual pleasures, right? 0:04:05.870 --> 0:04:09.050 A credit and esteem from men delight in our children 0:04:09.050 --> 0:04:11.420 and the prospect of seeing them well brought up and 0:04:11.420 --> 0:04:14.540 well settled, etc., etc. all these things will be of 0:04:14.540 --> 0:04:17.659 little significance to us. Death will blow up our hopes 0:04:17.660 --> 0:04:19.730 and put an end to all these enjoyments. There's nothing 0:04:19.730 --> 0:04:23.120 in this world, including Bermuda, that is not going to end. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.400 And it's going to end in suffering and pain and 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.430 sickness and death. And here's the new reality for us. 0:04:28.430 --> 0:04:30.799 None of that's going to happen. None of it's going 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.070 to be a reality there. None. No sin, no temptation, 0:04:34.070 --> 0:04:38.300 no no illness, no pain. Christ himself, who's the giver 0:04:38.300 --> 0:04:40.430 of all good things, is going to live with us 0:04:40.430 --> 0:04:44.150 and dwell among us. According to Isaiah chapter 65, we're 0:04:44.150 --> 0:04:46.970 not even going to remember the painful realities of our 0:04:46.970 --> 0:04:49.969 past earlier life. We're going to think about the joys 0:04:49.970 --> 0:04:53.090 and the happiness of what is to come. So there's 0:04:53.089 --> 0:04:55.360 some reminders for you. John, are you still on on 0:04:55.390 --> 0:04:56.650 the on the line with me? 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:02.500 Yes, sir. I sure appreciate you. I just the whole 0:05:02.500 --> 0:05:07.180 idea of heaven, uh, being there with Jesus and the 0:05:07.180 --> 0:05:12.040 whole thing is just, uh, how how it's going to 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.680 roll up like a scroll. There'll be a new heaven 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:19.630 and a new earth. It's just so wonderful. It's mind blowing. Really? 0:05:19.660 --> 0:05:23.860 It really is. The whole thing is wonderful to think about. 0:05:23.890 --> 0:05:27.880 Of no more pain. And, uh, I've had the joy 0:05:28.300 --> 0:05:31.300 coming out of me before. Like it was almost like 0:05:31.300 --> 0:05:34.810 sunlight or love or something. I you can't describe it. 0:05:34.810 --> 0:05:40.840 And it's, uh, only Christians that you do. You see 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.230 the word word of God coming alive in your life 0:05:44.230 --> 0:05:48.280 and and the whole experience of God, his presence and 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:53.229 praying for that and feeling it. And, oh, it's just, uh. 0:05:53.230 --> 0:05:56.619 And being there is going to be it's going to 0:05:56.620 --> 0:06:01.480 feel like, almost like you're going to explode with, uh, glory. 0:06:01.510 --> 0:06:04.690 God's glory is going to be too much. It's going 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:09.100 to feel so good. Undescribable. The whole thing just blows 0:06:09.100 --> 0:06:12.400 my mind. Really. Mike, I thank you for expounding on that. 0:06:13.270 --> 0:06:15.880 Well, John, it's a great call. And in God's providence, 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.070 you came right after a man that was denying any 0:06:18.070 --> 0:06:21.460 reality of the afterlife. And to hear someone at peace 0:06:21.460 --> 0:06:24.820 about the joy that's coming. And sadly, our previous caller 0:06:24.820 --> 0:06:26.860 had that brother that got on the phone with me. 0:06:26.860 --> 0:06:31.450 About 15% of our nation today believes in no afterlife. 0:06:31.450 --> 0:06:36.520 And that's that's a pretty significant number, 15% and sadly, right. 0:06:36.550 --> 0:06:38.620 That's the biggest mistake of all. I've written a whole 0:06:38.620 --> 0:06:41.710 book on this called ten Mistakes People Make About Heaven, hell, 0:06:41.710 --> 0:06:43.000 and the afterlife. If you want to get Ahold of 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.789 that book, just go anywhere that books are sold and 0:06:45.790 --> 0:06:48.250 just spend some time thinking about what is to come. 0:06:48.250 --> 0:06:50.770 And while I've got some rough chapters to read on 0:06:50.770 --> 0:06:53.200 the judgment for non-Christians. I've got some good chapters to 0:06:53.230 --> 0:06:55.510 read about the joys of heaven, and maybe you'll enjoy 0:06:55.510 --> 0:06:58.029 that book. John. Stay on the air. If you get 0:06:58.060 --> 0:07:02.140 your address to our screener, we will. I'll make sure 0:07:02.140 --> 0:07:04.720 we send you a free copy of that book. Thanks 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.010 so much for the call, John. It was good to 0:07:06.010 --> 0:07:07.660 be with you on the program today. Let's go to 0:07:07.690 --> 0:07:10.390 Kevin on line number nine. Kevin, you're on the air 0:07:10.390 --> 0:07:12.160 with Mike Fabares. How can I help? 0:07:13.570 --> 0:07:15.880 Hey. Good morning. Good morning sir. I'm glad you're having 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.350 an amazing day. And technology is working perfect for you. Yes. 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.650 Well, we're going to hope it's going to go better now. Kevin. Yeah. 0:07:23.650 --> 0:07:24.400 Thank you. 0:07:24.430 --> 0:07:28.090 There you go. I have a brother in our men's 0:07:28.090 --> 0:07:31.630 group who doesn't believe the Old Testament is the same. 0:07:31.660 --> 0:07:33.460 The God of the Old Testament is the same God 0:07:33.460 --> 0:07:35.860 of the New Testament who is loving. Oh, no. Yeah, 0:07:35.890 --> 0:07:38.560 that's there's more wrath of the Old Testament and believes 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.070 that the rules of the Old Testament were man made 0:07:42.070 --> 0:07:45.640 to control people. Like you can't eat pork because it's 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.650 a sin, he says. That's because people didn't wash their hands. 0:07:47.650 --> 0:07:50.090 They were trying to protect them from themselves as she 0:07:50.090 --> 0:07:55.190 comes up with scenarios like that. And you go, what? Right. Yeah. 0:07:55.220 --> 0:07:58.100 Well, it's very popular for people to dismiss the Old 0:07:58.130 --> 0:08:02.600 Testament these days, sadly increasingly popular because the Old Testament 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.739 clearly reminds us, perhaps with more verbiage than the New Testament, 0:08:06.740 --> 0:08:09.440 that there is a coming judgment. And some of that 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.440 judgment is laid out in temporal ways, because we had 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:17.150 nations oftentimes recording the fact that God was using one 0:08:17.150 --> 0:08:20.240 nation to be the judgment of God on another nation. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.179 And certainly there were ceremonial laws, and that's true. But 0:08:23.180 --> 0:08:25.730 those ceremonial laws were to lead us to the realities 0:08:25.730 --> 0:08:28.310 of Christ. It's a lot like Kevin, if you and 0:08:28.310 --> 0:08:30.650 I were invited to be groomsmen in our friend's a 0:08:30.650 --> 0:08:33.140 mutual friend's wedding, right. We do a lot of things 0:08:33.140 --> 0:08:35.030 we wouldn't normally do. We'd have to go get fitted 0:08:35.030 --> 0:08:38.270 for our rental tuxedo and put on shiny shoes. And maybe, 0:08:38.300 --> 0:08:40.340 I don't know, depending on the fashions, put on all 0:08:40.340 --> 0:08:42.650 these extra things like a bow tie or a cummerbund 0:08:42.650 --> 0:08:45.260 or whatever. And we'd say this is kind of a hassle. Well, 0:08:45.260 --> 0:08:47.390 it was a hassle to have dietary restrictions and not 0:08:47.390 --> 0:08:50.010 eating pork and all the rest. But these pictures were 0:08:50.010 --> 0:08:53.550 pictures of the ceremony regarding Christ coming. Christ came. And 0:08:53.550 --> 0:08:56.160 then guess what happens? We return the tuxedo. We put 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.380 all that away. We put on comfortable shoes, and we 0:08:58.410 --> 0:09:01.530 continue on with the reality of Christ. And that's what 0:09:01.530 --> 0:09:04.590 this was all about. This was about getting us ready 0:09:04.590 --> 0:09:08.280 for Christ. Now the ceremonial ceremonial law was gone. But 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.979 the moral law continues. And one of the reasons people 0:09:10.980 --> 0:09:13.110 don't like the moral law of the Old Testament is 0:09:13.110 --> 0:09:16.740 because it expounds very clearly on things like homosexuality is 0:09:16.740 --> 0:09:19.260 a sin. You know, all kinds of things that people 0:09:19.260 --> 0:09:21.359 like to say, well, maybe the New Testament doesn't have 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.820 as many verses on it. So Old Testament I can 0:09:23.820 --> 0:09:25.500 dismiss it. And now I can kind of be up 0:09:25.500 --> 0:09:28.620 with the times, the cultural mores of today. But I 0:09:28.620 --> 0:09:30.960 would I would point your friend to First Corinthians chapter nine, 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.990 if he has any respect for the New Testament. When 0:09:33.990 --> 0:09:37.079 Paul is telling that church that they should be paying 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.500 their pastors, he asks the question. In verse eight. He says, 0:09:40.500 --> 0:09:43.050 do I say these things on human authority? Now this 0:09:43.050 --> 0:09:45.750 is a New Testament book talking about a New Testament church. 0:09:45.780 --> 0:09:46.590 Does not the. 0:09:46.630 --> 0:09:47.439 Law. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.589 Capital L the Old Testament Mosaic Law say the same thing, 0:09:50.590 --> 0:09:52.449 for as it is written in the law of Moses, 0:09:52.450 --> 0:09:55.030 you shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out 0:09:55.030 --> 0:09:57.790 the grain. Is it for oxen that God is concerned? 0:09:57.820 --> 0:10:00.910 Does he not certainly speak this for our sake as 0:10:00.910 --> 0:10:03.160 it is written? It is written for our sake, because 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.290 the ploughman should plough in hope, and the thresher should 0:10:05.290 --> 0:10:08.350 thresh in hope. And it says that if they have 0:10:08.350 --> 0:10:10.630 sown spiritual things in you, is it too much that 0:10:10.630 --> 0:10:14.140 they reap material things from you? So this reality of 0:10:14.140 --> 0:10:16.210 the Old Testament has no bearing. Paul is quoting an 0:10:16.210 --> 0:10:19.420 Old Testament passage about not putting a muzzle on an ox, 0:10:19.420 --> 0:10:22.150 so that he can occasionally put his head down and 0:10:22.150 --> 0:10:24.790 eat some of the grain that he's treading out. He 0:10:24.790 --> 0:10:26.800 says that's a principle that we ought to study and 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.500 read and extract a principle from it and apply it 0:10:29.500 --> 0:10:31.809 to things like a pastor shouldn't be working all week 0:10:31.809 --> 0:10:34.359 long trying to serve and counsel and teach a church 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.230 and not get a paycheck. That is a binding, authoritative command. 0:10:38.230 --> 0:10:40.870 And it comes from the Old Testament. And it said 0:10:40.870 --> 0:10:44.020 so many times, as Jesus is confronted with moral issues, 0:10:44.020 --> 0:10:45.880 he says, have you not read in the law that 0:10:45.910 --> 0:10:48.790 God made them male and female. Think about that. Jesus 0:10:48.820 --> 0:10:52.179 is quoting the issues of our day. Gender fluidity is 0:10:52.179 --> 0:10:55.780 blown away by Jesus quoting an Old Testament text. So 0:10:55.780 --> 0:10:58.450 the Old Testament does have bearing Kevin. And I think 0:10:58.450 --> 0:11:02.050 passages like First Corinthians nine could not make that more clear. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.260 The whole book of Hebrews tells us the ceremonial law 0:11:05.260 --> 0:11:07.300 is gone, but the rest of the New Testament is 0:11:07.300 --> 0:11:09.790 going to remind us that so many of the things 0:11:09.790 --> 0:11:12.729 that are told to us, even if they seem so irrelevant, 0:11:12.730 --> 0:11:15.220 I don't have an ox. I'm not treading out grain 0:11:15.220 --> 0:11:17.319 in my field. I don't even have a field. Well, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.480 that's true, but there are principles in all the Old 0:11:19.510 --> 0:11:23.439 Testament texts that are binding. They're authoritative. That's the word 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.380 he uses. This is divine authority that is binding on 0:11:26.380 --> 0:11:29.650 our lives. So, Kevin, I appreciate the call. It may 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.530 be trendy for people to dismiss the Old Testament, but 0:11:32.530 --> 0:11:35.380 call back again. And Doctor Rydell, who spent so much 0:11:35.380 --> 0:11:37.630 of his time in the Old Testament, will be as 0:11:37.630 --> 0:11:40.690 clear and even more clear than I am, and adamant 0:11:40.690 --> 0:11:43.510 that the Old Testament is as relevant today as it's 0:11:43.510 --> 0:11:46.250 ever been. Thank you so much for the call. We've 0:11:46.250 --> 0:11:49.309 got a break here coming up, so let us do 0:11:49.309 --> 0:11:51.380 that right now. My name is Mike Fabros. I'm sitting 0:11:51.380 --> 0:11:53.990 in today for Doctor Michael Riedel. You're listening on Open 0:11:53.990 --> 0:11:57.680 Line with Doctor Michael Ray Dolnick Moody's radio Bible study 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:04.640 across America. 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Become a kitchen table partner today by 0:13:13.090 --> 0:13:18.700 calling (888) 644-7122 or go to Open Line radio.org. 0:13:22.900 --> 0:13:25.839 Well, welcome back to Open Line with Doctor Michael Reidel. 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.240 Nick I'm doctor Mike Faber is sitting in for doctor 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:33.250 Ray Melnick and the number is (877) 548-3675. We're taking your calls. 0:13:33.250 --> 0:13:35.979 Let's go to Barbara now on line one. Barbara, you're 0:13:35.980 --> 0:13:38.320 on the air with Mike Fabares. How can I help? 0:13:39.670 --> 0:13:45.700 Hi, Mike. Um, I have been following along with, um, 0:13:45.730 --> 0:13:49.990 Michael Wright in his travels, and I was I don't 0:13:50.020 --> 0:13:54.220 know why this is just now, after 66 years in 0:13:54.220 --> 0:13:59.110 the Bible. This is just now a question. But my 0:13:59.110 --> 0:14:05.050 basic question is what? I always thought that Christ was 0:14:05.050 --> 0:14:12.100 Jesus's last name, like Jesus Christ. But in acts 17 0:14:12.130 --> 0:14:16.420 three it says this Jesus whom I proclaim to you 0:14:16.450 --> 0:14:18.010 is the Christ. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:18.969 Yes. 0:14:18.970 --> 0:14:21.520 So there must be a difference. 0:14:21.550 --> 0:14:24.310 Yes, there is a difference. That's good. That's right. It's 0:14:24.310 --> 0:14:25.930 not Mr. Christ. Right? This isn't. 0:14:26.170 --> 0:14:26.950 About that. 0:14:27.130 --> 0:14:30.670 This is not his surname. And let me just clarify. 0:14:30.700 --> 0:14:34.540 Here's a couple of words. I know that you've heard Messiah. 0:14:34.570 --> 0:14:38.650 You've heard that word, right. Messiah. Messiah is the is 0:14:38.650 --> 0:14:42.980 the Hebrew version of the word Christos in Greek. We 0:14:42.980 --> 0:14:46.250 just transliterate that slide into English. In English and we 0:14:46.250 --> 0:14:49.670 say Christ. So when we say Jesus the Christ or 0:14:49.670 --> 0:14:54.140 Jesus Christ. What we're saying is that Jesus is the 0:14:54.140 --> 0:14:58.850 Messiah and Messiah and Christ. Both those words in Greek 0:14:58.850 --> 0:15:02.570 and in Hebrew come from the verb Meshach. In Hebrew, 0:15:02.570 --> 0:15:05.150 and I'm sure Doctor Redlich would say that more authentically 0:15:05.150 --> 0:15:08.090 than me. And in Greek, Krio, both of those mean 0:15:08.090 --> 0:15:12.770 to pour, to pour or smear liquid on. Or another 0:15:12.770 --> 0:15:15.080 way to translate it is the word anoint, which I 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.610 try not to use that word because people don't quite 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.890 think of what that literally means. But what it literally 0:15:18.890 --> 0:15:22.220 means is to pour oil on someone. Now, what's that about? Well, 0:15:22.220 --> 0:15:26.120 in Exodus 30. You would pour the oil on the priest. 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.220 You would set him apart in a ceremony like. Today 0:15:28.220 --> 0:15:30.650 we have someone on the steps of the Capitol. They 0:15:30.650 --> 0:15:32.360 put their hand on a Bible, they raised their right 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.090 hand and they stand in front of the Supreme Court justice. 0:15:35.090 --> 0:15:38.780 There's a ceremony in the ceremony of making a priest. Right. 0:15:38.780 --> 0:15:41.840 We poured oil, a special kind of oil that was 0:15:42.110 --> 0:15:44.720 smelled like a fragrant oil, had cinnamon in it, had 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.750 some fragrant cane in it, Cassia, all these things. I 0:15:47.750 --> 0:15:49.490 don't even understand what they might have smelled like, but 0:15:49.490 --> 0:15:51.650 it smelled really good. And you couldn't use that for 0:15:51.650 --> 0:15:54.410 anything else. A perfumer had to make it, and it 0:15:54.410 --> 0:15:57.200 was poured over the head of the priest. It was 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.930 also poured over the head of a new king in 0:15:59.930 --> 0:16:02.690 one Samuel nine. You remember that Saul came. I'm sorry. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.080 Samuel came and poured that flask of oil over David's head. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.890 Also used in first King nine, first Kings 19 to 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:14.180 anoint the prophet Elijah anoints Elisha and says, this is 0:16:14.180 --> 0:16:17.090 the next prophet. So to be anointed, right to go 0:16:17.090 --> 0:16:20.450 from the verb creo to the word Christos or mashiach 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.140 to to Messiah or Messiah in Hebrew is to say, 0:16:24.140 --> 0:16:28.130 you are the one that has been anointed, officially put 0:16:28.130 --> 0:16:30.710 into a position. Now you got three positions to choose 0:16:30.710 --> 0:16:32.989 from in the Old Testament. You got a position of 0:16:33.140 --> 0:16:36.830 a priest or a prophet or a king. And I'm 0:16:36.830 --> 0:16:39.450 saying Jesus comes and according to the New Testament, he 0:16:39.450 --> 0:16:42.570 fulfills all three. He's the ultimate Son of David, the 0:16:42.570 --> 0:16:45.750 ultimate king. He's the ultimate son of Levi, if you will, 0:16:45.780 --> 0:16:48.600 in the sense that he fulfills Levi's office, even though 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.140 not genetically connected to the tribe of Levi. He's also 0:16:52.170 --> 0:16:54.810 the ultimate spokesperson for God. He is the Word of God, 0:16:54.810 --> 0:16:57.900 the ultimate Elijah, if you will. So all of these 0:16:57.900 --> 0:17:01.590 are true of Jesus, and therefore he gets the title Christos, 0:17:01.620 --> 0:17:05.070 the one who's been created, right. He is the Messiah, Messiah, 0:17:05.100 --> 0:17:07.619 the one who's been Messiah. And if you want to 0:17:07.619 --> 0:17:11.369 put it into horrific English. So the idea of this 0:17:11.369 --> 0:17:14.760 is that he fulfills all of the roles of prophet, priest, 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.040 and king. And I'm sure you've heard that as well, Barbara. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.139 But that's what we mean when we say he is 0:17:19.140 --> 0:17:22.379 the Christ. He is the Messiah. He is the Anointed One. 0:17:22.380 --> 0:17:24.990 He's the one on whom the oil has rightly been poured. 0:17:24.990 --> 0:17:27.780 Not in a ceremony, right? But even at the baptism 0:17:27.780 --> 0:17:30.570 when the Holy Spirit came down, that was the ceremony 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.360 from the father showing that he's been anointed. He's been 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.850 given the spirit like oil poured on him to say, 0:17:35.850 --> 0:17:38.380 this is your prophet, priest and king. Hear him. He's 0:17:38.380 --> 0:17:41.199 the king. He's the spokesperson of heaven, and he represents 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.310 you humans before me. He's the ultimate priest. Does that help, Barbara? 0:17:46.869 --> 0:17:48.190 Yes. Wonderful. 0:17:48.190 --> 0:17:51.940 And I followed everything because I've. I've been in all 0:17:51.940 --> 0:17:52.930 those books. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.070 Yes. 0:17:54.070 --> 0:17:55.900 That's wonderful. Thank you for that. 0:17:55.930 --> 0:17:58.750 Very good. Barbara, love the question. Let's go to Kathleen now. 0:17:58.780 --> 0:18:02.230 Line four. Holland, Michigan. You're on the air with Mike Fabares. 0:18:02.230 --> 0:18:03.189 How can I help? 0:18:05.050 --> 0:18:06.040 Good morning. 0:18:06.070 --> 0:18:06.609 Good morning. 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:12.280 My question comes from Psalm 37. I have an adult 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.660 daughter who was a very strong Christian as a teenager, 0:18:16.660 --> 0:18:20.770 and she was hurt by men in the church, and 0:18:20.770 --> 0:18:24.760 now she has completely stepped away. I think she's bitter. 0:18:25.330 --> 0:18:29.109 And Psalm 37 says, pray, and you will be given 0:18:29.109 --> 0:18:32.199 the desires of your heart. How can you help me 0:18:32.230 --> 0:18:33.100 with this? 0:18:33.340 --> 0:18:36.230 Well, number one, I would like to disconnect hurt from 0:18:36.230 --> 0:18:40.580 individuals in an institution to the importance of the institution. 0:18:40.580 --> 0:18:43.820 I may have been hurt by a professor in college once, 0:18:43.820 --> 0:18:47.540 but I didn't walk away from an education. See, so 0:18:47.690 --> 0:18:50.660 it's important that we know that many people get hurt 0:18:50.660 --> 0:18:52.969 in the church by an individual in the church, or 0:18:52.970 --> 0:18:55.220 maybe a group in the church, but that doesn't mean 0:18:55.220 --> 0:18:58.850 we walk away from the institution itself. So I would 0:18:58.850 --> 0:19:02.359 plead with someone to look past the sins. Go ahead. 0:19:02.690 --> 0:19:04.880 I have, I have. 0:19:04.910 --> 0:19:05.600 Okay, well then. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:06.320 All I can say. 0:19:06.350 --> 0:19:07.429 My focus. 0:19:07.460 --> 0:19:08.570 Okay, then here's what. 0:19:08.570 --> 0:19:09.229 I would say. 0:19:09.260 --> 0:19:11.810 Is Psalm 37. Go ahead. 0:19:12.109 --> 0:19:15.619 Okay. Yeah. Psalm 37. I'm assuming it's based on verse four. 0:19:15.650 --> 0:19:17.600 Delight yourself in the Lord. He'll give you the desires 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.310 of your heart. Is that what you're speaking of? 0:19:19.340 --> 0:19:21.350 Yes. Okay. Yes. 0:19:21.380 --> 0:19:22.730 Well, here's what I would say. 0:19:22.730 --> 0:19:23.480 Keep praying. 0:19:23.510 --> 0:19:27.560 You should. But here's how you pray in Romans chapter nine, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.500 verse two, when Paul is praying for the ones that 0:19:30.500 --> 0:19:34.430 he loves, his fellow Jews that are rejecting Christ. He says, 0:19:34.430 --> 0:19:38.540 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 0:19:38.540 --> 0:19:40.430 I wish that I myself were accursed and cut off 0:19:40.430 --> 0:19:42.859 from Christ for the sake of my brothers. Here's the 0:19:42.859 --> 0:19:46.430 thing he is pleading with the Lord. He is praying 0:19:46.430 --> 0:19:48.590 for them in John. In Romans chapter ten, the very 0:19:48.590 --> 0:19:51.350 next chapter, he says, my heart's desire and prayer for 0:19:51.350 --> 0:19:54.169 them is that they be saved. So it's going to 0:19:54.170 --> 0:19:56.899 be a painful prayer, and you're going to pray it 0:19:56.900 --> 0:19:59.780 with with tears in your eyes. Kathleen. It's going to 0:19:59.780 --> 0:20:02.540 be hard, but you just keep on praying and you 0:20:02.540 --> 0:20:05.300 don't stop. You pray that God would work in every 0:20:05.330 --> 0:20:08.930 opportunity you have. You plead with your daughter and you say, 0:20:08.930 --> 0:20:10.970 I know you've been hurt. I get that, but we 0:20:10.970 --> 0:20:13.700 need to trust in the Lord and you call her 0:20:13.700 --> 0:20:16.550 to repentance. And you you in your own prayers. You 0:20:16.550 --> 0:20:19.490 realize that it's never a happy prayer to pray for 0:20:19.490 --> 0:20:22.850 a loved one who is lost. And Paul, he gives 0:20:22.850 --> 0:20:26.690 us the example of anguish and pain and tears. So 0:20:26.690 --> 0:20:28.429 don't expect it to be a happy road. A lot 0:20:28.430 --> 0:20:30.650 of Christian books, a lot of Christian preachers, unfortunately, make 0:20:30.650 --> 0:20:32.760 us think that if we're doing things right, it's going 0:20:32.790 --> 0:20:36.570 to be a happy existence. But you see in these passages, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.550 it's not it's going to be painful. This is probably 0:20:38.550 --> 0:20:42.300 the most painful thing that thoughtful Christians deal with a 0:20:42.300 --> 0:20:44.939 lost loved one. And I would say, keep going. I 0:20:44.940 --> 0:20:48.119 just talked to someone that lost a non-Christian relative. They 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.600 were very endeared to and loved, and it was so 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.600 godly of them to say, I trust the Lord. I 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.389 know they're not saved. God is just I've got to 0:20:57.390 --> 0:20:59.760 turn my attention now to the living and praise God 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.300 your daughter is still alive. Keep your attention there. Keep praying. 0:21:03.300 --> 0:21:05.460 I know a lady that prayed for over 50 years 0:21:05.460 --> 0:21:08.399 for her lost husband and finally he came to Christ 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.160 after 50 years. She never gave up praying for him 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.199 and I was had the privilege of baptizing him in 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.810 his old age. And I would say, Kathleen, all I 0:21:15.810 --> 0:21:17.610 can tell you is it's going to be painful, but 0:21:17.609 --> 0:21:21.630 don't stop. Keep praying. Kathleen, I know that's hard and 0:21:21.630 --> 0:21:23.760 you speak for many. I'm sure listening on the program 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.820 today that know what it is to struggle through the 0:21:26.820 --> 0:21:29.550 pain of a loved one that's not walking with the Lord. 0:21:29.550 --> 0:21:32.649 But please continue on. Hang in there. We need to 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.379 continue to pray for those that we love. And I 0:21:35.380 --> 0:21:39.010 know it's never going to be an easy road ever, ever. 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.540 All right. We're going to take a quick break. My 0:21:40.540 --> 0:21:43.239 name is Mike Fabares. I'm sitting in here. Oh, I 0:21:43.270 --> 0:21:45.760 am not taking a break. I am so sorry. Let's 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.820 go to price on line five. You're on the air 0:21:48.850 --> 0:21:52.629 from Butler, Georgia, listening on WGN. You're on the air 0:21:52.630 --> 0:21:59.020 with Mike Fabares. How can I help? All right, let's 0:21:59.020 --> 0:22:01.390 go to Karen on line two, then. Karen, you're on 0:22:01.390 --> 0:22:05.740 the air from Ohio, listening on Wtxf love that you're 0:22:05.740 --> 0:22:07.929 on with Mike Fabares. Karen, if you're there, how can 0:22:07.930 --> 0:22:08.590 I help? 0:22:09.369 --> 0:22:14.530 Hi. So it's not just one, but many of my 0:22:14.530 --> 0:22:19.959 contemporaries and I'm older are really doubting the interpretation of 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:25.180 the word, especially when it comes to the gay lifestyle. Uh, 0:22:25.180 --> 0:22:30.619 they they think it was influenced by culture And there's 0:22:30.619 --> 0:22:33.980 no there's no happy way in this. But how do 0:22:33.980 --> 0:22:38.119 I respond? What do I say? How do I love 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:38.960 them in this? 0:22:40.700 --> 0:22:41.570 Right. Well, the. 0:22:41.570 --> 0:22:42.439 Church. 0:22:42.619 --> 0:22:46.310 For 2000 years has read all these same passages that 0:22:46.340 --> 0:22:49.639 your friends are reading, that my friends are reading, and 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.580 no one was confused by them. They were very clear 0:22:52.580 --> 0:22:55.490 because there was no pressure from the outside. They could 0:22:55.490 --> 0:22:58.429 look at a passage of Scripture and they could quote it, 0:22:58.430 --> 0:23:00.740 and they say, it's clear. It's black and white. We 0:23:00.740 --> 0:23:04.730 understand it and we know what it means. And I 0:23:04.730 --> 0:23:06.830 think we need to say, I think you need to 0:23:06.859 --> 0:23:11.540 really check your motive. If the whole culture, right, was 0:23:11.540 --> 0:23:14.840 against it and you read these passages, would you really 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:19.580 say it's influenced by culture? Right. Just because our last generation, 0:23:19.580 --> 0:23:21.710 and it's really only been now, at least in the West, 0:23:21.710 --> 0:23:24.080 where we've been all about it. Yeah, let's let's do it. 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.690 Let's let's not care about who you love. Let's just 0:23:26.690 --> 0:23:28.530 celebrate whoever you want to love. Love whoever you want 0:23:28.530 --> 0:23:31.740 to love. Is, as the Democratic candidate just said on 0:23:31.740 --> 0:23:34.440 an interview, right? Just be proud to love whoever you 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.359 want to love. Well, the Bible says you shouldn't. As 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:37.949 a matter of fact, Romans chapter one says there are 0:23:37.950 --> 0:23:41.700 rules for this, and we have to maintain those rules 0:23:41.700 --> 0:23:43.710 because God is a good teacher. That's what I like 0:23:43.710 --> 0:23:46.410 to remind people of. And I like to sometimes just 0:23:46.410 --> 0:23:49.170 tell them, here's a verse, here's what it says, what's 0:23:49.170 --> 0:23:52.770 unclear about this, and they can't really say the Bible 0:23:52.770 --> 0:23:55.890 is unclear when they read it. Right. Even Jesus, he says, 0:23:55.890 --> 0:23:57.990 haven't you read right? God made them from the beginning 0:23:58.020 --> 0:24:00.690 of creation, male and female. Even that statement against all 0:24:00.690 --> 0:24:04.140 this gender discussion, this gender confusion that's going on when 0:24:04.140 --> 0:24:08.280 when the psychological world said this is gender dysphoria and 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:10.229 it's and it's a, it's a defect. And then all 0:24:10.230 --> 0:24:11.760 of a sudden they voted and said, no, it's not 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.800 a defect. As a matter of fact, it's fine. We 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:15.990 should all celebrate it, right? It's not a vote of 0:24:15.990 --> 0:24:18.780 man that gets to change this view, right? God gets 0:24:18.780 --> 0:24:20.460 to say what is right and wrong because we're all 0:24:20.460 --> 0:24:23.160 going to stand before him. Not a psychological board who's 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.129 publishing journals. We're going to stand before God. And God 0:24:26.130 --> 0:24:28.440 has made clear in his word. And so every man's 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.230 conscience is going to have to testify when they read 0:24:31.230 --> 0:24:34.439 the Bible. Because I do think the Bible is not clear. 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.650 You say interpretation, you can say interpretation. We're interpreting it 0:24:37.650 --> 0:24:41.310 to not matter anymore. But Jesus represents this clearly to 0:24:41.340 --> 0:24:47.129 us in biology about procreation, reproduction. All of this is 0:24:47.130 --> 0:24:51.840 what the Bible says. So we cannot in any way 0:24:51.869 --> 0:24:54.220 doubt the fact that if we read something 2 or 0:24:54.220 --> 0:24:56.730 3 times in the text of Scripture, it is clear, 0:24:56.730 --> 0:24:58.890 it is clear. And, Karen, I know it breaks your heart. 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.290 It breaks my heart. I got plenty of colleagues that 0:25:01.290 --> 0:25:02.820 have done the same thing. I got a letter this 0:25:02.820 --> 0:25:05.790 week from a friend of mine, and he said he's 0:25:05.790 --> 0:25:09.630 abandoning biblical orthodoxy. And I thought, how can that be right? 0:25:09.660 --> 0:25:12.060 He's read the same Bible I have for all these years. 0:25:12.060 --> 0:25:15.209 But you're right, Karen, they're influenced by the culture. And 0:25:15.210 --> 0:25:17.130 I think we need to say, how would I read 0:25:17.130 --> 0:25:20.159 this if the culture had no pressure on me at all? So, Karen, 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:24.869 pray for them because there's a big price to pay, unfortunately, 0:25:24.869 --> 0:25:27.310 when we do not adhere to what the Lord Jesus 0:25:27.310 --> 0:25:29.800 Christ has said to us and what the Bible has taught, 0:25:29.830 --> 0:25:32.830 God is a good teacher. There's no confusion there in 0:25:32.830 --> 0:25:36.100 the pages of Scripture. Karen, keep praying. Keep standing on 0:25:36.100 --> 0:25:38.590 the Word of God. It is a firm foundation, there's 0:25:38.590 --> 0:25:41.500 no doubt about that. Well, we are going to have 0:25:41.500 --> 0:25:43.659 more of the program right after this. We got the 0:25:43.660 --> 0:25:46.960 mailbag segment coming up. This is Open Line with Doctor 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:50.199 Michael Riddell on Moody Radio. I'm Mike Faber sitting in today. 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.719 We'll be back with the mailbag right after this. 0:25:59.619 --> 0:26:02.560 Sometimes we want to read the Bible but don't know 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.990 how to get the most out of it. My friend, 0:26:05.020 --> 0:26:08.679 Moody Professor Doctor Jim Coakley, has written 14 Fresh Ways 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.320 to Enjoy the Bible, a book that helps us understand 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:15.460 the full riches of Scripture by giving 14 practical principles 0:26:15.460 --> 0:26:18.430 to bring them to life. Request your copy today with 0:26:18.430 --> 0:26:24.260 a gift of any amount to open line, call 7122 0:26:24.290 --> 0:26:27.110 or visit open line radio.org. 0:26:32.150 --> 0:26:34.639 Well, welcome back to Open Line. I'm doctor Mike Faber 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.280 is filling in for Doctor Michael Riedel. This is the 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.550 mailbag segment where we take all the questions that you 0:26:40.550 --> 0:26:44.540 send in to us on Open Line. Org and open 0:26:44.540 --> 0:26:47.750 Line Radio. Org. And joining me with those questions Tierra, 0:26:47.780 --> 0:26:50.750 you're here and you've got a mailbag full of questions. 0:26:50.750 --> 0:26:51.590 How are you. 0:26:51.619 --> 0:26:55.550 I am doing well. And yes, I do have many questions. 0:26:55.550 --> 0:26:59.480 And we'll get started with Margaret from Michigan and she 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.680 listens via podcast. My husband and I are each doing 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:09.350 a revelation Bible study. Both studies emphasize that there are 0:27:09.350 --> 0:27:12.950 basically four end time views, but they do not focus 0:27:12.950 --> 0:27:16.550 on one particular view. Does it matter that these studies 0:27:16.550 --> 0:27:20.510 don't teach a particular view of the revelation? 0:27:20.660 --> 0:27:23.550 Well, you know, here is the problem with some of 0:27:23.550 --> 0:27:27.719 these community Bible studies. They know they're they're trying to serve, 0:27:27.750 --> 0:27:30.810 you know, different churches with different views on the end times. 0:27:30.810 --> 0:27:32.820 And so you go to a study and it feels 0:27:32.820 --> 0:27:36.930 many times unsatisfying because we think, well, what which view 0:27:36.930 --> 0:27:42.030 is right. And I don't think that sometimes studies of 0:27:42.030 --> 0:27:45.120 the end times with various people from various churches can 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.000 be very satisfying, because we we don't want to start 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:51.449 arguments in these groups because there are there's definitely at 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.449 least four and probably more views of the end times 0:27:54.450 --> 0:27:57.270 when you look at all the options. And that's why 0:27:57.300 --> 0:28:00.960 sometimes studying the end times is best in your own church. Oh, 0:28:00.990 --> 0:28:03.449 just ask your pastor, can we have a class on 0:28:03.450 --> 0:28:05.010 the End times, or can we do a study on 0:28:05.010 --> 0:28:07.140 the end times? Or at least a small group where 0:28:07.140 --> 0:28:09.629 we're focused on the end times? And your church definitely 0:28:09.660 --> 0:28:11.370 is going to have a view? Your pastor should be 0:28:11.369 --> 0:28:14.670 convinced about one of the views, the views that he holds, 0:28:14.670 --> 0:28:16.530 and in that church should be good for you to 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:20.730 study those. Now just remember, it does matter what view 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.250 you have, because it's going to determine how you read 0:28:23.250 --> 0:28:26.010 the totality of Scripture. If you start to look at 0:28:26.010 --> 0:28:27.810 the end times, once you say, well, I think this 0:28:27.810 --> 0:28:29.909 is how it works. I think there's a millennium coming, 0:28:29.910 --> 0:28:33.510 for instance, that's going to fulfill the promises to national Israel. 0:28:33.510 --> 0:28:35.669 And I do think this time of Jacob's trouble is 0:28:35.670 --> 0:28:37.500 going to be a time for them and not for us. 0:28:37.530 --> 0:28:39.990 ET cetera. ET cetera. Then it's going to determine how 0:28:39.990 --> 0:28:42.480 you read these passages. And if you want to start 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.880 a fight, right, you can go to a community Bible study, 0:28:44.910 --> 0:28:47.250 one that's designed for lots of different churches, and just 0:28:47.250 --> 0:28:50.280 start being emphatic about your view. And you'll get a 0:28:50.310 --> 0:28:51.720 lot of people that are going to argue. And we 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.370 don't want to argue, right? That's not what we want 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.380 to do. We want to get to what we believe, 0:28:55.380 --> 0:28:57.150 and we want to settle in on that. And we 0:28:57.150 --> 0:28:59.820 want to know that good Christians disagree. Doesn't mean you're 0:28:59.820 --> 0:29:01.410 not a Christian. If you don't agree with my end 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.990 times view. It just means that we're probably going to 0:29:03.990 --> 0:29:06.120 have a hard time studying the Book of Daniel, or 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.400 the Book of Isaiah, or the Book of Jeremiah, or 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.040 even Matthew, Matthew 24. We're not going to be able 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.770 to to sit down and be in agreement on those things, 0:29:13.770 --> 0:29:16.470 because all of our understanding of end times is going 0:29:16.500 --> 0:29:20.050 to have its impact. And all of the Scripture. So 0:29:20.230 --> 0:29:22.570 ask your church to start an end times Bible study, 0:29:22.570 --> 0:29:24.700 and then ask your pastor to lead it. That would 0:29:24.730 --> 0:29:26.920 be that'd be great, because then he can be clear 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:29.380 about his view, and hopefully all of you can study 0:29:29.380 --> 0:29:31.120 that and analyze it for yourself. 0:29:31.150 --> 0:29:34.270 Great advice. Thank you for that response, Mike, and thank 0:29:34.270 --> 0:29:38.140 you for that question, Margaret. Thank you. And I also 0:29:38.170 --> 0:29:41.560 want to mention just that the Moody Bible Institute and 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:47.920 Chosen People Ministries present a summit on opposing anti-Semitism. This 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:52.180 conference is coming up Saturday, November 9th, 2024 at the 0:29:52.180 --> 0:29:55.270 Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. If you would like more 0:29:55.270 --> 0:29:58.360 information or if you'd like to register, please visit the 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.770 Open Line Radio website at openline. radio.org and some of 0:30:02.770 --> 0:30:07.180 the topics addressed. What does it mean to be anti-Semitic? 0:30:07.180 --> 0:30:11.380 What are the origins of anti-Semitism? So please register now 0:30:11.380 --> 0:30:14.410 and check out the information at openline. radio.org. Thank you. 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.260 Yeah, this is important to hear. I know that we've 0:30:17.260 --> 0:30:20.510 got to study this, so I certainly recommend everyone be 0:30:20.510 --> 0:30:22.850 there on November the 9th if you can. If you're 0:30:22.850 --> 0:30:25.310 in the area you can drive there. Please take time 0:30:25.310 --> 0:30:27.440 to do it. It's as relevant as the headlines that 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:29.480 you read on the news every day. 0:30:29.570 --> 0:30:32.690 I agree, thank you for that. And we'll go back 0:30:32.690 --> 0:30:36.890 to the mailbag. We have Emily from Wisconsin who listens 0:30:36.890 --> 0:30:43.160 on wmbi her her pastor preached from Second Thessalonians chapter two, 0:30:43.190 --> 0:30:47.060 verses 1 to 3, and said that this passage changed 0:30:47.060 --> 0:30:50.900 his mind about the rapture. He has always believed in pre-tribulation, 0:30:50.900 --> 0:30:54.290 but after studying this, he's now convinced that the rapture 0:30:54.290 --> 0:30:58.520 will be post-tribulation. Please share your thoughts on this. 0:30:58.850 --> 0:30:59.240 I love. 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.580 That. Here's the thing to remember, and I think Doctor 0:31:01.580 --> 0:31:03.800 Readerlink would agree fully with me on this as I 0:31:03.830 --> 0:31:07.880 sit in here on his show. Uh, we are pre-tribulation 0:31:08.270 --> 0:31:10.070 in the sense that we believe that God is going 0:31:10.070 --> 0:31:13.130 to take his church out of the way when God 0:31:13.130 --> 0:31:16.610 then deals with 144,000 and he starts this time of 0:31:16.610 --> 0:31:19.950 Jacob's trouble. The 70th week of Daniel found in Daniel nine. 0:31:19.950 --> 0:31:23.820 We believe it's Pre-tribulational. Now, when you read Second Thessalonians two, 0:31:23.850 --> 0:31:25.800 it talks about you didn't miss the coming of the 0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:29.130 Lord to gather us together because we haven't seen the 0:31:29.130 --> 0:31:32.730 man of lawlessness rise to the scene. This man of destruction, this, 0:31:32.730 --> 0:31:35.880 this Antichrist, as we call him elsewhere. And here's what 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.430 I'm saying. Remember this number one, the Bible is written 0:31:38.430 --> 0:31:40.470 not just for us, but for everyone. The Bible is 0:31:40.470 --> 0:31:42.180 going to be a guide for the people that live 0:31:42.210 --> 0:31:45.330 through the tribulation period. So there's a lot of information 0:31:45.330 --> 0:31:48.630 about the tribulation just read from our perspective. Doctor Rydell 0:31:48.870 --> 0:31:53.040 and I that revelations, chapter six through 19 are going 0:31:53.070 --> 0:31:55.200 to give us a roadmap for the tribulation when you're 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.240 in it, but we don't plan to be there. No 0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.480 mention of the church in that whole section of the Bible. 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:03.810 But in this passage here, he's saying, some people think 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.730 you missed it. Well, if you missed it, you would 0:32:05.730 --> 0:32:08.430 see these things happening and you don't see these things happening. 0:32:08.430 --> 0:32:11.100 So you didn't miss it. I can read Second Thessalonians 0:32:11.100 --> 0:32:14.400 and be even more assured of my pre-tribulational view because 0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.860 of the logic of the text. Yes, he talks about 0:32:16.860 --> 0:32:18.900 the man of rebellion. You would have seen this. In 0:32:18.900 --> 0:32:20.520 other words, if I said we're going to leave the 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:24.840 game before halftime, the football game. And you said, oh, 0:32:24.870 --> 0:32:26.880 I think we missed halftime. And then I'd say, no, 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.190 you didn't miss halftime because the marching band comes out, 0:32:29.190 --> 0:32:32.280 the the football players go in down the tunnel and 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:33.900 they go back to the locker room and you got 0:32:33.900 --> 0:32:37.140 the flag girls out there. You know, we would have 0:32:37.260 --> 0:32:40.890 seen all that if we missed leaving before halftime. So yes, 0:32:40.890 --> 0:32:43.320 he's going to explain something about halftime here if you will, 0:32:43.350 --> 0:32:45.900 or the tribulation. But what he's trying to say is 0:32:45.900 --> 0:32:48.480 we didn't miss the rapture. We didn't miss getting gathered 0:32:48.510 --> 0:32:51.690 together with him. Verse one. Because you didn't see any 0:32:51.690 --> 0:32:53.400 of that. He's not saying you got to see that. 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.890 And then we go, he's saying, you would have seen 0:32:55.890 --> 0:32:58.740 that had you missed it. And that's the false doctrine 0:32:58.740 --> 0:33:01.110 that was being taught to the Thessalonians that you missed 0:33:01.110 --> 0:33:04.650 the rapture. So, Emily, if you're listening, that that is, 0:33:04.650 --> 0:33:07.620 I think, something that doesn't shake me at all reading 0:33:07.620 --> 0:33:10.080 this text. Matter of fact, it reassures me in my 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.300 pre-tribulational view of the rapture. 0:33:12.570 --> 0:33:16.150 Mike, thank you for that explanation and that analogy, just 0:33:16.150 --> 0:33:19.300 to help us better understand. Thank you. And we have 0:33:19.300 --> 0:33:22.450 another question from the book of Revelation. It's from Janet 0:33:22.450 --> 0:33:27.130 in Florida who listens via wcqs. Her question who are 0:33:27.130 --> 0:33:30.820 the 24 elders? And is this one of God's mysteries? 0:33:31.270 --> 0:33:35.320 Yeah, the 24 elders in the book of of revelation. 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.870 This is a hard one, and I'll admit that. But 0:33:37.870 --> 0:33:39.610 even when I get this question, I've got to give 0:33:39.610 --> 0:33:41.980 a shout out to Wcqs. We had a lot of 0:33:41.980 --> 0:33:45.820 questions from that station. What a great station, uh, doing 0:33:45.970 --> 0:33:49.420 doing God's work there in Florida. So praise God for 0:33:49.420 --> 0:33:51.880 them 24 elders. All I can tell you is that 0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:55.450 the elders sit in a very important role here in heaven. 0:33:55.450 --> 0:33:59.050 There's only 24 and the 24 that seem to matter, 0:33:59.050 --> 0:34:01.270 as I read throughout all of the book of Revelation, 0:34:01.270 --> 0:34:03.400 are the 12 apostles whose names are going to be 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.160 written on the foundation stones in the New Jerusalem, and 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.170 the 12 leaders of the tribes of Israel that are 0:34:08.170 --> 0:34:10.060 going to be written on the gates. So we have 0:34:10.060 --> 0:34:14.780 24 names forever inscribed around the walls of the New Jerusalem. 0:34:14.780 --> 0:34:18.020 And I think those 24 names probably represent the 24 0:34:18.020 --> 0:34:20.989 elders who are now in heaven in a very special, 0:34:20.989 --> 0:34:25.490 exalted place. Jesus said in Matthew 19 that the 12 0:34:25.489 --> 0:34:28.969 apostles would sit on the 12 thrones, judging the 12 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:33.710 tribes of Israel very special, limited role, 12 apostles, 12 0:34:33.710 --> 0:34:37.010 leaders of Israel. I think those are the 24 elders. 0:34:37.010 --> 0:34:39.980 And that's an educated guess, because I can't point you 0:34:39.980 --> 0:34:42.140 to a Bible verse that says, here are the names 0:34:42.140 --> 0:34:45.740 of the 24 elders. So I understand Janet's frustration. I 0:34:45.739 --> 0:34:47.930 wish we had clarity on that. But the Bible is 0:34:47.930 --> 0:34:50.629 only so thick, so he's not telling us every little 0:34:50.630 --> 0:34:52.820 detail we may want to know, but I think that's 0:34:52.820 --> 0:34:56.270 probably a pretty good educated guess. And so, Janet, listening 0:34:56.270 --> 0:34:59.030 on keys, look me up a thousand years from now 0:34:59.030 --> 0:35:02.120 and let's see if I was right. And we'll find 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.490 out whether the 24 elders are, in fact, the 12 0:35:04.489 --> 0:35:07.460 leaders of the tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles. 0:35:07.460 --> 0:35:10.130 And I'm kind of thinking I'm right on that, but 0:35:10.130 --> 0:35:14.640 that's just an educated guess. All right, Tierra, thanks for 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.680 those questions. And I know we want to see them 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.260 keep coming. There's so many great questions to be asked, 0:35:19.260 --> 0:35:21.750 and we'd love to give a crack at answering them. 0:35:21.750 --> 0:35:24.900 If you want more questions answered, tune in. Keep listening. 0:35:24.900 --> 0:35:27.420 I'm Doctor Mike Farber as you're listening to Open Line 0:35:27.420 --> 0:35:30.540 with Doctor Michael right here on Moody Radio. And we'll 0:35:30.540 --> 0:35:31.500 be right back. 0:35:44.580 --> 0:35:47.940 We're so glad that Febc partners with Open Line with 0:35:47.940 --> 0:35:52.529 Doctor Michael Rolnick, bringing the Febc mailbag every week. Learn 0:35:52.530 --> 0:35:55.440 how far East Broadcasting Company is taking Christ to the 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:59.940 world at febc. Org on their weekly podcast. Until all 0:35:59.940 --> 0:36:02.850 have heard with Ed Cannon, you'll hear stories of lives 0:36:02.850 --> 0:36:06.690 changed by Messiah all across the globe. Again. You can 0:36:06.690 --> 0:36:12.700 hear the podcast when you visit febc. Org That's Febc. Org. 0:36:17.020 --> 0:36:19.570 Well welcome back to Open Line I'm doctor Mike Faber 0:36:19.750 --> 0:36:22.810 sitting in today for Doctor Michael Riedel. We're taking your calls. 0:36:22.810 --> 0:36:25.750 Let's go back to the phones. Line six Scott, you're 0:36:25.750 --> 0:36:28.150 on the air with Mike Fabares. How can I help? 0:36:29.500 --> 0:36:30.910 Hey, Mike, how are you doing? 0:36:30.940 --> 0:36:31.900 I'm doing great. 0:36:31.930 --> 0:36:34.450 Enjoy listening. Enjoy listening to you today. 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:36.250 Thank you. So. 0:36:36.580 --> 0:36:39.370 Um, when we. Modern science has taught us that when 0:36:39.370 --> 0:36:41.410 we see the light of the moon, it is the 0:36:41.410 --> 0:36:45.430 sunlight reflecting off the moon. But yet in Genesis, it 0:36:45.430 --> 0:36:48.460 clearly states that God made two light sources, one for 0:36:48.460 --> 0:36:51.219 the day and one for the night. And I was 0:36:51.219 --> 0:36:53.320 just wondering what your thoughts were on that. 0:36:53.469 --> 0:36:54.640 Yeah, well, I'll. 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:58.930 Bet the scientist, when he sits on a beach with 0:36:58.930 --> 0:37:02.980 his girl and the sun is setting, he he might 0:37:02.980 --> 0:37:06.310 say to her, wasn't that a beautiful sunset? But in reality, 0:37:06.340 --> 0:37:08.710 he he should say as a scientist. Wasn't that a 0:37:08.739 --> 0:37:12.340 great rotation of the Earth? You know, outside the optic 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.670 line of sight of the ball of fusion? I mean, 0:37:15.850 --> 0:37:18.580 we understand that the Bible is trying to teach us 0:37:18.580 --> 0:37:21.160 about creation. And there's one thing we know if I'm 0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.770 out there in the nighttime, like we just had a 0:37:23.770 --> 0:37:26.230 full moon here and I had clear skies where I 0:37:26.260 --> 0:37:29.170 live in Orange County, California. And man, I could I 0:37:29.170 --> 0:37:32.500 could probably read some of the mail in my mailbox 0:37:32.500 --> 0:37:35.110 from the light of the of the moon. It's not 0:37:35.110 --> 0:37:37.000 a light source, but it is a source of light 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.640 for me. And I understand that one of the things 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.730 I love about Don Deyoung's book, he wrote a book 0:37:42.730 --> 0:37:46.570 on the moon. He talks about the reflectivity, even of 0:37:46.570 --> 0:37:50.020 the gray matter, the dust, the moon dust that we have. 0:37:50.050 --> 0:37:53.799 It's just a perfect reflector up in the sky. Matter 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.500 of fact, if you haven't taken that book, Don DeYoung 0:37:56.500 --> 0:37:59.830 writes a book called Our Created Moon, and I think 0:37:59.830 --> 0:38:03.340 John Whitcomb is writing the intro, if not co-authoring that book. 0:38:03.340 --> 0:38:06.520 But look that book up wherever you find your books 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:11.359 are created. moon. It's a beautiful reminder of the amazing 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:15.110 features of the moon, including its reflectivity of light. Not 0:38:15.110 --> 0:38:17.900 to mention, there's a lot of moons out there in 0:38:17.900 --> 0:38:20.990 the planets of our solar system, but there's no moon 0:38:20.989 --> 0:38:23.480 like ours. I mean, here's a moon that is 400 0:38:23.510 --> 0:38:27.319 times smaller in diameter than the sun, but it just so, 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:31.700 quote unquote, happens to be by chance. Wink, wink. 400 0:38:31.730 --> 0:38:34.850 times closer than the sun. So that they appear to 0:38:34.850 --> 0:38:37.279 be the same disk size. If you want to put 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.670 it that way from the surface of our Earth, that's 0:38:40.670 --> 0:38:43.190 an amazing feature. It's not an accident. How long would 0:38:43.190 --> 0:38:46.850 it take you to throw two random sized spheres at 0:38:46.850 --> 0:38:50.480 two random distances, and come up with exactly the same 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:54.020 proportions 400 times apart? It would take you forever to 0:38:54.050 --> 0:38:57.259 get that proportionality because it didn't happen by chance. God 0:38:57.260 --> 0:38:59.750 is a creator. So many things about our moon, I 0:38:59.750 --> 0:39:01.820 learned in that short little book. I think even created 0:39:01.820 --> 0:39:05.180 a DVD that is even better with the visuals that 0:39:05.180 --> 0:39:07.680 he brings in that DVD on looking at all the 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.440 created features of the moon. So I understand that the 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:13.230 Bible is speaking in the language of appearance, and that 0:39:13.230 --> 0:39:16.469 the light in the sky for us at night is 0:39:16.469 --> 0:39:18.210 the moon. I look up and it's light, even though 0:39:18.210 --> 0:39:21.390 I know it's reflective light. And I realize that in 0:39:21.390 --> 0:39:23.580 the modern era, without any doubt, that we have the 0:39:23.580 --> 0:39:26.670 reflection of this ball of fusion on the other side 0:39:26.670 --> 0:39:28.590 of the world. When I'm looking up at the moon, 0:39:28.590 --> 0:39:31.920 an amazing orbital feature, even the size of it, impossible 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:35.190 to have it fall into our gravitational orbit without it 0:39:35.190 --> 0:39:37.799 being placed there. It's just scientists have a hard time 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.560 even describing they got theories. But how in the world 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.070 some rotating satellite around our earth made it to be 0:39:44.070 --> 0:39:47.700 right where it is to be perfectly aligned, not only 0:39:47.700 --> 0:39:50.580 to give us tides, but life itself in so many 0:39:50.580 --> 0:39:53.910 ways dependent on the moon, a great vacuum cleaner for 0:39:53.910 --> 0:39:58.230 asteroids and space dust and dirt and debris and rocks 0:39:58.230 --> 0:40:01.110 and and all the rest. But an amazing thing. So 0:40:01.110 --> 0:40:03.719 study that book if you haven't already. And I'm not 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.310 troubled at all when I read about a greater light 0:40:06.310 --> 0:40:08.380 and a lesser light, because to me, that's exactly what 0:40:08.380 --> 0:40:11.110 they are. Language of appearance. Does that help at all? Scott? 0:40:13.330 --> 0:40:16.299 Yeah. I appreciate your time. 0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:17.080 Okay. 0:40:17.260 --> 0:40:20.469 But let's keep going. If there's some doubt or concern, 0:40:20.469 --> 0:40:23.950 do you expect the Bible to to be technical science 0:40:23.950 --> 0:40:27.160 manual or, you know, to be written for astrophysicists? It 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:30.880 can't be right. This Bible is for all people and 0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:32.710 it is a source of light for us, even though 0:40:32.710 --> 0:40:34.930 it is not a light source. Right? It's not emanating 0:40:34.930 --> 0:40:37.750 from itself, but it certainly was put in there as 0:40:37.750 --> 0:40:40.060 a light, just like I have. I've got a friend 0:40:40.060 --> 0:40:42.670 in lighting, and so much of the light now that's 0:40:42.670 --> 0:40:46.480 made is a light reflecting off some kind of dome 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:50.500 or canister that is giving reflected light. And we still say, oh, 0:40:50.530 --> 0:40:53.170 the light's coming from there, but it's really reflecting off 0:40:53.170 --> 0:40:55.930 of these great new designs for the street lights that 0:40:55.930 --> 0:40:58.420 we have. So, you know, I get it. 0:40:58.450 --> 0:40:58.899 You know, some. 0:40:58.930 --> 0:41:02.080 Technical person. Yeah. I hate to interrupt you. The light 0:41:02.110 --> 0:41:06.730 bulb just went off. Okay. It's really dead, and I 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.760 thank you. Okay. I yeah. 0:41:09.790 --> 0:41:10.060 For. 0:41:10.330 --> 0:41:12.759 Terrific, I appreciate it. All right. Thanks, Scott, for the call. 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.669 Let's go to Anne now in Cleveland, Ohio. Anne, you're 0:41:15.670 --> 0:41:17.830 on the air with Mike Fabares. How can I help? 0:41:18.730 --> 0:41:23.410 Okay, yes, this is in reference to questions that were, uh, 0:41:24.130 --> 0:41:31.779 asked on the temple. And I'm referencing Second Corinthians chapter 0:41:31.780 --> 0:41:36.370 616 to 18, where we are called the temple of 0:41:36.370 --> 0:41:40.900 the Living God. Uh, as God said, I will live 0:41:40.900 --> 0:41:44.410 in them and walk among them. I will be their God, 0:41:44.410 --> 0:41:46.750 and they will be my people. Therefore come out from 0:41:46.750 --> 0:41:52.810 among unbelievers. Separate yourselves from among them. And is this 0:41:53.020 --> 0:41:57.610 my first question is, is this a case against cremation? 0:41:57.700 --> 0:42:02.210 And I wondered about our age in heaven, and also 0:42:02.210 --> 0:42:07.910 how that, uh, uh, lines up with abortion that's been 0:42:07.910 --> 0:42:09.290 going on. Okay. 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:10.820 Yeah. And that's a lot of questions. Let me try 0:42:10.820 --> 0:42:14.540 and deal with them quickly. Uh, the temple discussion like 0:42:14.540 --> 0:42:17.720 in first Corinthians three and I think in Second Corinthians 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:21.170 six is talking about us collectively. And yet, in other words, 0:42:21.170 --> 0:42:23.090 the church, the people of God, like it is in 0:42:23.090 --> 0:42:26.960 in Ephesians chapter two, but we also are individually. It 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.200 says in first Corinthians six verse 19, our bodies, each 0:42:30.230 --> 0:42:32.960 individual body is housing the Holy Spirit. So we are 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.900 the temple of the Holy Spirit. The temple is sacred, 0:42:35.930 --> 0:42:40.160 of course, and as a living person is alive, of 0:42:40.190 --> 0:42:43.310 course it's sacred. You can't go and just destroy someone's body. Well, 0:42:43.310 --> 0:42:45.410 when someone dies, people are in the in the habit 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:49.879 of destroying bodies and fire and blenders and cremating their bones. 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.790 I'm against that because I do think the body is 0:42:52.790 --> 0:42:56.420 still a sacred vessel. That God, even though it's empty 0:42:56.420 --> 0:42:58.700 and devoid of the Holy Spirit or that person's spirit, 0:42:58.700 --> 0:43:02.610 is going to be Recreated. And just like Jesus being 0:43:02.610 --> 0:43:04.979 put in a tomb, whatever is left of that by 0:43:04.980 --> 0:43:08.910 natural decomposition will be recreated by God. So I do 0:43:08.910 --> 0:43:13.110 think it has a bearing on our decision about what 0:43:13.110 --> 0:43:15.480 to do with our loved ones bodies when they die. 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.240 And the pattern of Scripture is burial, and I think 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.370 that's a good pattern. I've written a chapter in my 0:43:20.370 --> 0:43:24.150 book which someone was asking about earlier, ten Mistakes People 0:43:24.150 --> 0:43:27.359 Make About Heaven, hell in the afterlife. The 10th chapter 0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.060 stands on its own. It's a case for why, I think, 0:43:30.060 --> 0:43:34.050 by natural extension, of biblical principles, that we should not 0:43:34.050 --> 0:43:36.960 cremate our loved ones bodies. If you have no big deal, 0:43:36.989 --> 0:43:40.200 God can certainly recreate that body out of whatever is 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.440 left in the, you know, the universe. But God is, 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.529 I think, teaching us by the pattern of Scripture to 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:52.620 lay aside bodies as respectfully as we can, awaiting the resurrection. Yes, 0:43:52.620 --> 0:43:55.620 there are so many things about abortion that we could say, 0:43:55.620 --> 0:43:59.050 but we should recognize that life begins at conception. Inception. 0:43:59.050 --> 0:44:02.229 And I do think every human life is sacred and 0:44:02.230 --> 0:44:05.080 God has made life. We do not have the authority 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:08.350 to take it. And in that sense, just because a 0:44:08.350 --> 0:44:10.299 person made in the image of God is housed in 0:44:10.330 --> 0:44:13.510 that body, I think we should certainly be pro-life and 0:44:13.510 --> 0:44:17.109 be separating ourselves from this culture of death. So you 0:44:17.110 --> 0:44:19.239 had one more question, an tucked in that give me 0:44:19.270 --> 0:44:20.200 what it was. 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.900 Well, it had it had to do with our age 0:44:22.900 --> 0:44:24.790 in heaven. That sounds kind of trivial. 0:44:24.790 --> 0:44:26.230 But no, no it's not. 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:28.150 Here's the thing. You've got DNA in your body. I've 0:44:28.150 --> 0:44:31.480 got DNA in my body. The DNA is a is 0:44:31.510 --> 0:44:34.569 an instruction manual for how your body should be. Now, 0:44:34.570 --> 0:44:37.150 there's mistakes in your DNA in some way. In mine, 0:44:37.150 --> 0:44:40.090 two weaknesses in it. God's going to make our DNA 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.520 our very unique DNA, I think, and make it absolutely 0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.670 robust with no mistakes in it. And we will be 0:44:45.670 --> 0:44:48.400 made according to that instruction manual. Well, it's not going 0:44:48.430 --> 0:44:51.549 to be as a child or an infant or a pre-adolescent. 0:44:51.550 --> 0:44:53.319 It's not going to be as an elderly person. It's 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:56.650 going to be the exact fullness of health and vitality 0:44:56.650 --> 0:44:59.380 in that DNA code, which I think is going to 0:44:59.380 --> 0:45:01.150 mean that we're going to be at our all time 0:45:01.150 --> 0:45:04.029 best without any problems. And I think that's probably going 0:45:04.060 --> 0:45:06.460 to put us at some ideal age, whatever you might think, 0:45:06.460 --> 0:45:09.430 that is when we're at our peak. So I do 0:45:09.430 --> 0:45:11.500 think our age in heaven is going to be fully 0:45:11.500 --> 0:45:14.860 mature and beautiful, and I think so mature and beautiful 0:45:14.860 --> 0:45:17.589 that people that knew us as, as elderly people are 0:45:17.590 --> 0:45:19.450 going to have a hard time recognizing us. We may 0:45:19.450 --> 0:45:21.819 have to wear name tags or as young people that 0:45:21.820 --> 0:45:24.010 have died or infants even. Right. We're going to have 0:45:24.010 --> 0:45:26.710 to wear name tags for sure to introduce ourselves, because 0:45:26.710 --> 0:45:29.620 these bodies will be nothing like we've ever seen, because 0:45:29.620 --> 0:45:33.190 the DNA code, I think, will be reconstructed exactly as 0:45:33.190 --> 0:45:35.319 it should be without reference to sin. I deal with 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.390 that also in that book, and I'll just recommend it. 0:45:37.390 --> 0:45:40.150 It's not a moody publication, but it's a solid Christian 0:45:40.150 --> 0:45:43.900 publisher by harvest House. It's called ten Mistakes People Make 0:45:43.930 --> 0:45:46.420 About Heaven hell in the afterlife. And if you want 0:45:46.450 --> 0:45:48.790 to stay on the line, give us your address, and 0:45:48.790 --> 0:45:51.370 I'm happy to send you out a complimentary copy of 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.310 that book, and we'll get that to you. So, Anne, 0:45:54.310 --> 0:45:56.350 thanks for the call. We appreciate it so much. The 0:45:56.350 --> 0:45:58.370 show is all about answering your calls, and we're never 0:45:58.370 --> 0:46:00.379 going to have calls about the Christian life or the Bible. 0:46:00.380 --> 0:46:04.219 Like an excellent question unless you're studying it. So keep 0:46:04.219 --> 0:46:07.220 studying the Bible. That's really the exhortation that we should 0:46:07.219 --> 0:46:09.470 all have. Keep your nose in the book and make 0:46:09.500 --> 0:46:11.690 sure you're studying God's Word. It's the only roadmap. We 0:46:11.690 --> 0:46:16.100 have the instruction manual from our manufacturer, our king and 0:46:16.100 --> 0:46:18.950 our judge. So thanks for listening and thanks for calling 0:46:18.950 --> 0:46:21.500 for all those left online. Call us back next week. 0:46:21.530 --> 0:46:23.989 Doctor Michael Melnick will be back. We've had a great 0:46:23.989 --> 0:46:27.410 team here. Tierra has been producing the show. Ryan has 0:46:27.410 --> 0:46:31.250 been spinning the dials, making sure it works. We've had Tierra. No, 0:46:31.250 --> 0:46:33.050 we haven't had Tierra on the phone. We've had, um. 0:46:33.500 --> 0:46:37.910 Remind me who's been answering it. Jonathan Anthony. That's it. 0:46:37.910 --> 0:46:40.520 Anthony's been on the phones. 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