1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,119 S1: Welcome to a Wednesday edition of Chris Fabry Live! The 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,840 S1: program from the heart to the heart for the heart. 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,440 S1: Today at the radio backyard fence. I am so excited 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,720 S1: because we get to expand our conversation we had last 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,960 S1: week about God on the move from the micro to 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,680 S1: the macro. Today's guest has a finger on the pulse 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,920 S1: of what he calls quiet revival. He sees this in 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,840 S1: his church. We've talked about that with him here. He 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,480 S1: sees this on the campus of Moody Bible Institute, where 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,559 S1: he is president. He sees it on the radio program. 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,519 S1: He's involved with his teacher, Bold Steps with doctor Mark Jobe. 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,959 S1: But that's not the only place he sees God on 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,080 S1: the move. God has been stirring him on the inside 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,320 S1: to let something go, to move in a different direction. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,360 S1: And I can't wait to talk about that process, particularly 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,880 S1: in light of the conversation we had yesterday with doctor 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,950 S1: de rosette about letting go. Doctor Mark Jobe is straight 18 00:00:59,950 --> 00:01:02,350 S1: ahead on Chris Fabry live. Let me thank our team. 19 00:01:02,350 --> 00:01:05,350 S1: Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. Trish is our producer. 20 00:01:05,590 --> 00:01:07,990 S1: Lisa is in the chair today. 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I got 39 00:02:13,940 --> 00:02:17,980 S1: to talk with doctor Mark Jobe before he was ever president, 40 00:02:17,980 --> 00:02:22,140 S1: and Moody Bible Institute back when he was pastoring a 41 00:02:22,220 --> 00:02:26,260 S1: new pastor in Chicago. He is the 10th president of 42 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:30,660 S1: Moody Bible Institute, host of Bold Steps, founding senior pastor 43 00:02:30,660 --> 00:02:33,660 S1: of New Life Community Church, which is a multi-site church 44 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:37,780 S1: meeting in 27 locations throughout the Chicago area. There's much 45 00:02:37,780 --> 00:02:40,660 S1: more to say, but Doctor Jobe, thank you for walking 46 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:42,820 S1: in off the cold streets of Chicago today. 47 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:47,940 S2: It is chilly, and Chris, it's always warming to be 48 00:02:47,940 --> 00:02:50,380 S2: with you on this program. It always is. 49 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:54,060 S1: I'm looking for some good things, because last week, uh, 50 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:58,960 S1: Wednesday of last, we talked with Mike Broyles, who told 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,760 S1: us about a new initiative of Bible studies with inmates 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,880 S1: on death row in Louisiana is the first time this 53 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,320 S1: has happened, he said. And other states. Now that's going on. 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,040 S1: And then Sam Cooper talked about an awakening that he 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,360 S1: is seeing in Europe. He's a field coordinator young guy 56 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,120 S1: with Revive Europe, that movement. And I know you have 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,799 S1: a new podcast called Quiet Revival. We've got a link 58 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,120 S1: to that at Chris Lives. So I want you to 59 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,400 S1: continue God on the move. What do you see happening 60 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,360 S1: in the in the country, in your state, in your church, 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,160 S1: in the world. 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:41,720 S2: This past Saturday, in light of seeing just this stirring 63 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,480 S2: among young adults typically known as Gen Z. Uh, normally 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,200 S2: under 30, 35 years old, we decided to host just 65 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:56,190 S2: a worship and prayer night at the Moody Bible Institute 66 00:03:56,230 --> 00:04:00,950 S2: Tori Gray Auditorium. It was bitter cold and it was snowing. 67 00:04:01,150 --> 00:04:03,910 S2: The streets were slick and I thought, no one's going 68 00:04:03,950 --> 00:04:08,190 S2: to show up to this. Um, over a thousand young 69 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:12,230 S2: adults showed up and coming from all different parts of 70 00:04:12,230 --> 00:04:15,710 S2: Chicago and all we had, we didn't have a speaker, 71 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:19,230 S2: we didn't have a known band. We just had worship 72 00:04:19,230 --> 00:04:23,790 S2: and prayer together. And to see, uh, young people, young 73 00:04:23,790 --> 00:04:27,630 S2: adults on their knees crying out to God, worshiping God, 74 00:04:27,630 --> 00:04:31,670 S2: confessing sin, asking for more of God. It's just a 75 00:04:31,670 --> 00:04:36,510 S2: bit of a snapshot of what God is doing. Chris, 76 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:40,470 S2: I started to notice about four years ago that when 77 00:04:40,470 --> 00:04:43,510 S2: I was giving altar calls at our church, just calling 78 00:04:43,510 --> 00:04:48,270 S2: people to salvation, that that people are streaming forward, and 79 00:04:48,270 --> 00:04:52,030 S2: it seemed like it was mainly people in their 20s. 80 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:55,420 S2: And I was wondering like, what's going on here? I've 81 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:58,460 S2: been a pastor for over 30 years in Chicago and 82 00:04:58,460 --> 00:05:00,980 S2: I've never seen that openness. So I started asking some 83 00:05:00,980 --> 00:05:04,140 S2: people I knew that traveled around a lot. Hey, is 84 00:05:04,140 --> 00:05:06,380 S2: this just me or are you seeing some of this? 85 00:05:06,380 --> 00:05:08,940 S2: And at the time they said, well, we're seeing a 86 00:05:09,020 --> 00:05:15,420 S2: few sparks. It's real scattered now, literally 25 years of 87 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:21,100 S2: church attendance decline in this nation did a slight uptick 88 00:05:21,660 --> 00:05:27,220 S2: this past year, driven primarily by young adults that are 89 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:32,300 S2: attending church and more specifically by young men. It's pretty amazing. 90 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:37,820 S1: Why is there one? What's the sauce? The secret sauce? 91 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:42,339 S2: Well, you know, I've been asking that question and, uh, 92 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:49,060 S2: there's I think I would address this too, from two perspectives. One, the, 93 00:05:49,060 --> 00:05:52,140 S2: the spiritual part of it. You know, God, when God 94 00:05:52,140 --> 00:05:55,370 S2: moves and decides to stir things up. It's the sovereignty 95 00:05:55,410 --> 00:05:59,250 S2: of God. Now, some people say that there is a 96 00:05:59,250 --> 00:06:02,810 S2: pattern in our nation that every 50 to 60 years 97 00:06:02,810 --> 00:06:08,450 S2: there seems to be this reawakening, um, and it could 98 00:06:08,450 --> 00:06:12,529 S2: be because we forget, we start to get dull. Um, 99 00:06:13,250 --> 00:06:15,330 S2: there's a lot of talk about the last time we 100 00:06:15,330 --> 00:06:19,090 S2: saw this kind of stirring among young people was what 101 00:06:19,089 --> 00:06:21,850 S2: people referred to as the Jesus movement. That was in 102 00:06:21,850 --> 00:06:26,650 S2: the 60s, where people were disenchanted, disillusioned, and then started 103 00:06:26,650 --> 00:06:29,330 S2: to revive. And literally hundreds of thousands of young people 104 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:35,409 S2: came to Christ. I think that from a sociological perspective, 105 00:06:35,650 --> 00:06:42,729 S2: I would say that Covid, the polarization, the disruption that 106 00:06:42,730 --> 00:06:48,409 S2: we've lived in, uh, caused a lot of young people to, um, 107 00:06:49,210 --> 00:06:53,359 S2: get a lot more fear, anxiety. They were isolated for 108 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,000 S2: a season. Um, and I think, uh, many of them 109 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,120 S2: were in the past. They were out there partying and 110 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,880 S2: having fun. Uh, many of them, I think, are at 111 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,960 S2: a different stage in life, and they're looking to the 112 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,839 S2: heavens and saying, is there is there some answers? What's 113 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,680 S2: going on in this world? Spiritually? I believe that God 114 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,000 S2: is just blowing and stirring things. Interestingly enough, Chris, it's 115 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,559 S2: not just happening in America. The term quiet revival. We 116 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:27,800 S2: borrowed it from the UK, where in 2018 only 4% 117 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:34,560 S2: of Gen Z were attending church. Today, 16% are attending church. 118 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,520 S2: That's four times as many. And if you're just referring 119 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,480 S2: to young men, 21%, that's not just a tweak. That 120 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,800 S2: is amazing. That's a surge. And this is in a 121 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,420 S2: very unchurched nation. It's happening in Australia. It's happening in Europe, 122 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:53,860 S2: parts of France. It's happening around the world. We're seeing 123 00:07:53,860 --> 00:07:57,260 S2: this kind of, uh, shaking disruption that's happening. 124 00:07:57,740 --> 00:08:01,260 S1: The podcast is called Quiet Revival. We have a link 125 00:08:01,260 --> 00:08:04,300 S1: at Chris Dot where you can find out more about 126 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:08,500 S1: Doctor Jobe and Bold Steps, the radio program that he 127 00:08:08,540 --> 00:08:13,500 S1: teaches on. Just go to Chris Dot and scroll down. 128 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:17,380 S1: I was watching the chapel message that you gave, uh, 129 00:08:17,420 --> 00:08:20,860 S1: not yesterday, but a week ago, where you told the 130 00:08:20,860 --> 00:08:24,860 S1: students you were talking about consecration and you said, is 131 00:08:24,860 --> 00:08:28,260 S1: there anything you need to let go of those attitudes 132 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:31,260 S1: in this year for the new semester? And then you 133 00:08:31,660 --> 00:08:34,580 S1: and then you made a turn and you said, well, 134 00:08:34,620 --> 00:08:36,620 S1: we're going to get to that in our next segment. 135 00:08:36,620 --> 00:08:38,820 S1: I want you to talk to our listeners, because this 136 00:08:38,820 --> 00:08:43,700 S1: is a huge decision that you've made and a lot 137 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:47,100 S1: of ramifications for that. But I sense that the very 138 00:08:47,140 --> 00:08:49,770 S1: thing that we've just talked about with the quiet revival 139 00:08:49,770 --> 00:08:53,290 S1: with Gen Z has has stirred in your own heart. 140 00:08:53,290 --> 00:08:55,010 S1: So let me take a quick break. We'll come back, 141 00:08:55,050 --> 00:08:56,970 S1: talk with doctor Mark Jobe if you want to talk 142 00:08:56,970 --> 00:09:00,490 S1: with him. If you're seeing this kind of stirring in 143 00:09:00,490 --> 00:09:03,650 S1: your own life, or maybe in your church, in your area. 144 00:09:03,690 --> 00:09:12,410 S1: (877) 548-3675 you'll see more about Quiet Revival the podcast at 145 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:27,170 S1: Chris favorite. Doctor Mark Jobe is the president of the 146 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:31,810 S1: Moody Bible Institute, the 10th president, author of What Now? 147 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:35,730 S1: How to Move into Your Next Season and Unstuck Out 148 00:09:35,770 --> 00:09:39,370 S1: of Your Cave into Your Call. We're going to talk 149 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:41,690 S1: with him today about a number of different things. But 150 00:09:41,690 --> 00:09:45,090 S1: one of them is this email that I got of 151 00:09:45,130 --> 00:09:48,400 S1: probably a couple of weeks ago. Um, Uh, and just 152 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,680 S1: for context, you graduated Moody Bible Institute in 1984, same 153 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,040 S1: year I graduated. 154 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:54,439 S2: Wow. 155 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,280 S1: So as you were talking about, you know, the the stirring, 156 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,160 S1: I remember it was Bruce Wilkinson who spoke in chapel 157 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,719 S1: about the chairs. Do you remember the chair analogy? I do, 158 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,440 S1: it was the the, the the one generation to the 159 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,160 S1: next generation to the next generation. And the third chair 160 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,920 S1: was the one where everything went off the rails. Unless 161 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,199 S1: God works, you know, in hearts that's what happens. And 162 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,520 S1: the the and he said, you know, don't lean on 163 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,960 S1: your parents faith. Your grandparents faith. Yeah. This is this 164 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,520 S1: is yours. So that's to me, that's what I see 165 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,080 S1: stirring here. And as you spoke in front of the 166 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,800 S1: students at Moody Bible Institute last week, you made this 167 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,600 S1: turn after talking about consecration. And you said, I've made 168 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,480 S1: the decision that my time as president of Moody Bible 169 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,189 S1: Institute is coming to an end. So I'm going to 170 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:48,310 S1: get out of your way. Tell me more about that. 171 00:10:49,070 --> 00:10:52,790 S2: Well, a lot of your listeners may know that seven 172 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:56,829 S2: years ago I started as president, and it was a 173 00:10:56,830 --> 00:10:59,790 S2: surprise to me and probably a surprise to a lot 174 00:10:59,830 --> 00:11:04,390 S2: of people. Moody had been through a sort of a 175 00:11:04,429 --> 00:11:08,670 S2: jolting transition at the time, not the easiest of seasons. 176 00:11:09,470 --> 00:11:11,070 S2: And I had been, you know, I was in the 177 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:15,030 S2: middle of, uh, full fledged pastoring, seeing a lot of fruit, 178 00:11:15,070 --> 00:11:19,350 S2: having fun. And Moody contacted me and said, hey, your 179 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:25,189 S2: name has come up about possibly being the president. And, um, 180 00:11:25,190 --> 00:11:27,309 S2: I got the voicemail and I told my wife and 181 00:11:27,309 --> 00:11:31,030 S2: I laughed. I said Moody contacted me about possibly the president, 182 00:11:31,030 --> 00:11:33,350 S2: and she looked at me and she said, why are 183 00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:38,390 S2: you laughing? Um, you should take this seriously. And I said, 184 00:11:38,470 --> 00:11:40,830 S2: what do you mean? I said, I love what I'm doing. 185 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:42,630 S2: I'm not. I love moody, but I don't want to 186 00:11:42,630 --> 00:11:46,690 S2: be the president of Moody. And she said you should 187 00:11:46,690 --> 00:11:51,050 S2: pray about it. And I said, you feel that strongly. 188 00:11:51,050 --> 00:11:53,290 S2: I said, okay, if you feel that strongly about it, 189 00:11:53,330 --> 00:11:56,650 S2: we'll pray together. But this would mean a lot of 190 00:11:56,650 --> 00:12:00,810 S2: major changes. And so we did. We prayed and fasted. 191 00:12:00,809 --> 00:12:04,050 S2: And in my mind I'm thinking, no way. Um, but 192 00:12:04,050 --> 00:12:07,209 S2: here's what I sensed, Chris. I sensed that here's what 193 00:12:07,210 --> 00:12:09,610 S2: I sense from God. I will give you clarity in 194 00:12:09,610 --> 00:12:12,610 S2: the process. And so I felt like God was saying, 195 00:12:12,610 --> 00:12:15,930 S2: I will make this very clear. Four months into it, 196 00:12:16,290 --> 00:12:19,890 S2: the the search committee called the board chairman and said 197 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:23,970 S2: the you out of 80 candidates that were there, it's 198 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:27,770 S2: narrowed down the the search committee has voted unanimously that 199 00:12:27,770 --> 00:12:30,970 S2: you're the top candidate. Are you willing to take this? 200 00:12:31,450 --> 00:12:33,410 S2: And I have to be honest, I had to say, 201 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:36,050 S2: can you give me a few more days? And then 202 00:12:36,050 --> 00:12:37,690 S2: I sat down with my wife and I said, well, 203 00:12:37,690 --> 00:12:40,370 S2: it looks like God has made this clear. And then 204 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:42,450 S2: she said, what are we doing? This is crazy. I said, 205 00:12:42,450 --> 00:12:45,600 S2: wait a second. You got me into this. But we 206 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,080 S2: knew that God was saying, take this assignment. And, um, 207 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:56,800 S2: it's been a phenomenal journey. Um, I, I'm stepping away 208 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,200 S2: from Moody with a greater appreciation, a more deeply embedded 209 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,640 S2: sense of what an amazing place this is than when 210 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,240 S2: I started. Uh, seriously, the mission, the hand of God 211 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:14,000 S2: on this place for 140 years. Um, the ministry that's 212 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:21,120 S2: literally touching, uh, tens of millions of people is just amazing. Inspiring, really. 213 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,880 S2: And the team that's working there. But I've had this 214 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:34,400 S2: growing sense that, um, my real passion is hands on ministry. Uh, 215 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,720 S2: the chairman of the board said you're more like D.L. 216 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,160 S2: Moody probably, than any president that we've had. And I 217 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,829 S2: told him, hey, like D.L. Moody. I love the school, 218 00:13:42,830 --> 00:13:45,870 S2: but I really feel like my heart is hands on 219 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:49,190 S2: ministry to you want to see me alive? It's, you know, 220 00:13:49,230 --> 00:13:53,190 S2: two weeks ago when when 28 people got baptized and 221 00:13:53,230 --> 00:13:57,199 S2: I gave a clear altar call to salvation and 25 222 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,990 S2: to 30 people came forward weeping, giving their lives to Jesus, 223 00:14:00,990 --> 00:14:07,670 S2: that's really where I feel like, um, my next chapter is. And, um, 224 00:14:08,270 --> 00:14:14,830 S2: so we made that difficult, hard decision to, um, transition 225 00:14:14,830 --> 00:14:20,310 S2: back to hands on pastoral church planting ministry, um, that 226 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:25,510 S2: we were involved in. Now, I, I've told Moody that, um, 227 00:14:25,510 --> 00:14:28,710 S2: you know, I there's a lot of momentum. God has 228 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:32,950 S2: opened so many doors. Um, I didn't want to leave 229 00:14:32,950 --> 00:14:37,030 S2: here without this being at a great place. We have 230 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:41,020 S2: an amazing team at the top. We are reaching literally 231 00:14:41,020 --> 00:14:44,780 S2: more people than any time in our history before. We've 232 00:14:44,780 --> 00:14:50,260 S2: seen internationally training pastors and leaders. We're 2500 people right now. 233 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:55,620 S2: Our radio and broadcast ministry is blown up to, I'm told, 234 00:14:55,620 --> 00:14:58,980 S2: 30 million people that we're reaching right now. So God 235 00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:02,380 S2: is doing just some amazing things. So I'm not stepping 236 00:15:02,380 --> 00:15:05,780 S2: out because there's this is a great time to be here. 237 00:15:05,780 --> 00:15:07,860 S2: This is a great time to be at Moody Bible Institute, 238 00:15:07,860 --> 00:15:11,180 S2: because there's so many amazing things that are happening. But 239 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:13,860 S2: I do feel like this was an assignment for a 240 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:18,900 S2: period of time, and that my new assignment is back 241 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:22,660 S2: to what God is doing, but it's more hands on ministry. 242 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:29,100 S1: That takes courage to do to make that kind of decision, 243 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:33,500 S1: because you probably have had people say this to you, what, 244 00:15:33,540 --> 00:15:36,580 S1: you know, President Moody Bible Institute, I mean, come on, 245 00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:40,810 S1: that and, uh, it's like to, to make, to make 246 00:15:40,810 --> 00:15:45,210 S1: that kind of decision without any, any kind of, uh, 247 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:47,450 S1: you know, thing that's going on behind the scenes. And 248 00:15:47,450 --> 00:15:50,130 S1: that's what I'm sensing is like, nobody's trying to push me, 249 00:15:50,170 --> 00:15:54,370 S1: push you out. Nobody's trying to, you know, uh, sink things. 250 00:15:54,610 --> 00:15:58,050 S1: It's just. No, my time is over. Yeah. And what 251 00:15:58,050 --> 00:16:01,330 S1: you said about Moody, uh, really resonates with me because 252 00:16:01,330 --> 00:16:04,530 S1: he resisted starting a school. I mean, it was Emma 253 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:07,610 S1: Dreyer who was basically the one who was pushing it 254 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:10,730 S1: and saying, no, this is a great idea. And it was. Yeah, 255 00:16:10,850 --> 00:16:15,690 S1: but I don't think Moody was, uh, you know, institute 256 00:16:15,690 --> 00:16:19,730 S1: president material in the sense of, uh, that he was 257 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:23,730 S1: the greatest organizer, you know, and, and making all these 258 00:16:23,730 --> 00:16:26,810 S1: decisions at the top. It's like he was like you 259 00:16:27,130 --> 00:16:28,810 S1: out there speaking to people. 260 00:16:29,170 --> 00:16:32,570 S2: He loved the school. And, um, you know, the school 261 00:16:32,570 --> 00:16:36,890 S2: is really had this just, you know, he evangelized. He 262 00:16:36,890 --> 00:16:42,630 S2: was out there, but the school really encaptured the forward 263 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:47,150 S2: momentum and longevity. Um, and I love the mission of 264 00:16:47,150 --> 00:16:51,030 S2: this school. This is an amazing group of people, um, 265 00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:55,790 S2: with just a huge vision at both education and moody 266 00:16:55,790 --> 00:17:01,910 S2: global media and publishing and literally, uh, leadership that's super 267 00:17:01,950 --> 00:17:08,310 S2: united and, um, again, exploding an opportunity. We've had two, uh, 268 00:17:08,950 --> 00:17:11,510 S2: back to back years of growing enrollment. It looks like 269 00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:13,590 S2: it's going to be a third year in that direction. 270 00:17:13,590 --> 00:17:17,429 S2: So we're really happy what God is doing. But I, 271 00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:22,630 S2: I knew this was an assignment and probably my not 272 00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:27,669 S2: not my last chapter and, um, I but I wanted 273 00:17:27,670 --> 00:17:30,510 S2: to make sure that if and when would the time 274 00:17:30,510 --> 00:17:34,150 S2: to step out that Moody would, was at a good place. Yes. 275 00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:37,139 S2: This is probably the time that, you know, in the 276 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:39,020 S2: natural and the flesh, you would say, no, this is 277 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:40,780 S2: the time when I need to stay. This is this 278 00:17:40,780 --> 00:17:44,460 S2: is when things are really good, right? Um, but I've 279 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:47,899 S2: always followed. I didn't step into moody because. Because it 280 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,620 S2: was easy. I stepped into moody because I sense this 281 00:17:50,619 --> 00:17:54,699 S2: is what God was asking me to do. And I'm 282 00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:59,180 S2: stepping into this next chapter with a real sense that 283 00:17:59,420 --> 00:18:04,060 S2: my time at Moody, the chapter, my assignments done. Um, 284 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:06,060 S2: and I need to hand the baton over to the 285 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:09,700 S2: next person that I. I have a full confidence that 286 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:13,660 S2: God has chosen that person in advance, that that person's 287 00:18:13,660 --> 00:18:16,300 S2: going to be the person that God really is going 288 00:18:16,340 --> 00:18:20,100 S2: to use to take Moody to its next season. Um, 289 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,380 S2: but I have a real sense that it's my time 290 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:27,459 S2: to step back into the hands on ministry. I mean, I'm, uh, 291 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:33,740 S2: talking to unchurched young people, um, and the church side 292 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:38,090 S2: of things that are just stirring my heart. I talked 293 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:43,730 S2: to a young lady just recently. 25 year old. And, uh, 294 00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:46,130 S2: it was the first time she'd been in church. And 295 00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:50,210 S2: I said, what's your church background? She said, I think 296 00:18:50,210 --> 00:18:53,570 S2: I've been to church twice in my life. I said, oh, 297 00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:56,250 S2: I said, so. Did a friend invite you? She said, 298 00:18:56,250 --> 00:18:59,770 S2: I have no friends that attend church. I said, so 299 00:18:59,770 --> 00:19:03,650 S2: how did you end up at church? She said, I 300 00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:07,209 S2: just started feeling this emptiness like, I need God, I 301 00:19:07,210 --> 00:19:10,890 S2: need something. And I got online. I watched this church 302 00:19:10,930 --> 00:19:14,010 S2: a couple of times online and then decided to show 303 00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:17,690 S2: up in person. And God is doing stuff like that. 304 00:19:17,730 --> 00:19:22,450 S2: I mean, very unchurched people that would a year ago 305 00:19:22,490 --> 00:19:25,210 S2: would never thought that they would find themselves in a 306 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:29,770 S2: church building. But God is drawing them in some very unusual, 307 00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:35,840 S2: supernatural ways. We baptize this past year 618 people, most 308 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,880 S2: of them under the age of 35. And, um, it 309 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,960 S2: is an amazing time. Uh, both a disruptive, controversial time because, 310 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,200 S2: you know, this generation's open to a little bit of everything. Um, 311 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,200 S2: and I say, Chris, I don't think this is revival. 312 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,639 S2: I think it's awakening. Revival is when the church that's 313 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,919 S2: been lukewarm repents, gets on fire and starts reaching the 314 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:07,000 S2: world around it. Awakening is when God starts moving outside 315 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,200 S2: of the church, and there's an openness and receptivity, and 316 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,000 S2: the church needs to come alive and say, yes, and 317 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,080 S2: we are the answer. The gospel of Jesus Christ. I 318 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,760 S2: think that's what's happening right now. It's an awakening. And 319 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,719 S2: the church needs to capture this moment. 320 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:28,320 S1: Yeah. And I think there's probably somebody listening today and maybe, um, 321 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,240 S1: maybe you're listening. And this is the stirring that you 322 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,790 S1: have been feeling. It's like I there's there's got to 323 00:20:34,790 --> 00:20:39,390 S1: be more. So that there's this hunger and this desire 324 00:20:39,390 --> 00:20:45,310 S1: for more purpose in your life. Um, a touch of God. 325 00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:49,230 S1: Not not an experience. Because you can go for that. 326 00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:56,070 S1: But I you just want to hear from God what 327 00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:59,310 S1: you want, what you need to do with your life. 328 00:20:59,310 --> 00:21:01,869 S1: And you're listening to Doctor Jobe and saying, man, I 329 00:21:01,869 --> 00:21:04,270 S1: wish I had that. I wish I had that confidence 330 00:21:04,270 --> 00:21:07,470 S1: that that calmness that he has, because what's he going 331 00:21:07,470 --> 00:21:09,790 S1: to do after he finishes being president of Moody? It's 332 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:12,510 S1: like there's there's none of that. There's none of that. Well, 333 00:21:12,510 --> 00:21:15,430 S1: of course you're going. You've been doing your, you know, 334 00:21:15,470 --> 00:21:17,870 S1: preaching at your church and teaching at your church all 335 00:21:17,869 --> 00:21:21,830 S1: through these last seven years. And it strikes me that 336 00:21:21,869 --> 00:21:25,550 S1: the the best person to be a president of any institution, 337 00:21:25,550 --> 00:21:27,909 S1: especially one like Moody, is somebody who doesn't want to 338 00:21:27,910 --> 00:21:32,649 S1: do it, somebody who says, No, I don't need something 339 00:21:32,650 --> 00:21:37,210 S1: else on my CV. You know, I don't need this 340 00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:41,130 S1: to define me because I sense that that's true for you. 341 00:21:41,170 --> 00:21:43,730 S1: The president of Moody is great, but it doesn't define 342 00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:47,410 S1: who you are. And and my guess is that's what 343 00:21:47,410 --> 00:21:50,409 S1: you're praying for. The next person to come here. 344 00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:55,410 S2: Yes, I am. You know, I have a beautiful, rich heritage. 345 00:21:56,010 --> 00:22:00,290 S2: And my parents, um, you know, they were born in America, 346 00:22:00,290 --> 00:22:04,330 S2: raised in just like any normal American family. Never had 347 00:22:04,330 --> 00:22:06,330 S2: gone out of this country. Both got saved at a 348 00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:10,730 S2: youth for Christ rally. But since that, God was saying, 349 00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:15,210 S2: go to the Amazon jungles. And, um, so when I 350 00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:18,409 S2: was six months old, they left. They left this country. 351 00:22:18,450 --> 00:22:21,090 S2: This was when there wasn't internet and you couldn't keep 352 00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:24,129 S2: in touch. And then they moved to Chile and my 353 00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:26,850 S2: dad would ride a horse. And, uh, I grew up 354 00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:30,640 S2: in a household that was asking. God, we're not asking 355 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,640 S2: for easy. We're asking for what is our assignment and 356 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,359 S2: how can we engage in it. And they went from 357 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,280 S2: Chile to Spain, and they felt like their assignment is 358 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,919 S2: to try to reach the the least reached in Spain. 359 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,200 S2: And so they ended up in a city that had 360 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,560 S2: no churches at all, no Protestant evangelical churches, a city 361 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,240 S2: of 130,000 people and said, this is where we're going. 362 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,200 S2: So I had this front row seat to a family 363 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,840 S2: that their highest value was God. Are we living on 364 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,760 S2: mission for you? What's our assignment? Not what is easiest. 365 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,880 S2: Not what? What gives us promotion. Not what is economically better. 366 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,480 S2: Not what is a higher paying job? Not what is 367 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,040 S2: more prestigious, but God. What is the assignment that you 368 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,520 S2: want to engage? And I'm super grateful for that sort of, um, 369 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,590 S2: instilled in us as a family was the best place 370 00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:33,790 S2: to be is in the center of God's, um, mission. 371 00:23:33,790 --> 00:23:37,950 S2: So I've never viewed ministry as what's my next, uh, 372 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:42,430 S2: step up the corporate ministry ladder? What's the next prestigious? 373 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:46,030 S2: It's always been about, Lord, what's our assignment? And we 374 00:23:46,030 --> 00:23:49,150 S2: want to be faithful and jump into it, whether people 375 00:23:49,150 --> 00:23:52,950 S2: understand it from the outside or not. And, um, I 376 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:55,870 S2: think that's, um, I think we're all called to live 377 00:23:55,869 --> 00:24:02,830 S2: on mission, and sometimes those steps will be difficult. Um, but, uh, 378 00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:06,270 S2: calling us to where our passion is, our gifting is. 379 00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:08,710 S2: And the call of God upon our life. 380 00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:09,670 S3: What did these. 381 00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:12,990 S1: Say about this? Because you had to be talking about it. Yeah, we. 382 00:24:12,990 --> 00:24:15,750 S2: Prayed about it together. You know, it was hard for 383 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:18,710 S2: D to leave the church, even though she's the one 384 00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:22,109 S2: that said, let's do it because she's got a mothering instinct. 385 00:24:22,270 --> 00:24:24,750 S2: So to her was, how are the people going to 386 00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:27,940 S2: do without you present And how are you gonna. You know. 387 00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:30,659 S2: So she feels for those that are left behind. And so, 388 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:34,380 S2: you know, emotionally, she's got a mothering wanting to take 389 00:24:34,380 --> 00:24:36,660 S2: care of those people, even though it was her, her 390 00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:40,180 S2: prompting and the Holy Spirit. And she feels the same 391 00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:42,899 S2: way about Moody. Uh, she she just wants to make 392 00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:45,820 S2: sure people are okay. She's got this mothering heart for 393 00:24:45,820 --> 00:24:49,260 S2: all the people that were leaving behind. She knows, uh, 394 00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:51,380 S2: she's in agreement with me that this is what God 395 00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:54,740 S2: wants us to do. But she also, uh, loves this 396 00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:59,060 S2: place as developed. Just great friendships and relationships. And she 397 00:24:59,060 --> 00:25:02,660 S2: just wants to make sure people are okay. And, um, 398 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:03,540 S2: so a gift. 399 00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:06,060 S1: Yeah. What a gift to have that team and that 400 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:10,420 S1: that oneness. But that having oneness and and knowing what 401 00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:13,060 S1: your next assignment is or what you need to step 402 00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:17,420 S1: away from. Uh, there's probably somebody listening right now who says, 403 00:25:17,420 --> 00:25:19,740 S1: I feel the same thing. I know we had a 404 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:23,300 S1: call yesterday, Rory, who said, I feel like I need 405 00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:25,730 S1: I've been in Montana for a long, long time. And 406 00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:28,450 S1: I've got Rory on my mind today as we have 407 00:25:28,450 --> 00:25:31,170 S1: this conversation. So I want you to talk with somebody 408 00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:34,770 S1: like Rory who says, I. I feel like I need 409 00:25:34,770 --> 00:25:38,010 S1: to jump. I need to move where God is, is 410 00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:43,090 S1: moving me, but I'm just not sure when, where, how? 411 00:25:43,530 --> 00:25:45,609 S1: Doctor Mark Jobe is with us today. You can find 412 00:25:45,609 --> 00:25:48,889 S1: out more about him. The new podcast at Chris Fabry 413 00:25:48,890 --> 00:26:06,050 S1: Live more straight ahead. The 10th president of Moody Bible Institute, 414 00:26:06,050 --> 00:26:08,610 S1: doctor Mark Jobe, is with us today. If you have 415 00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:11,850 S1: not heard his program, Bold Steps with doctor Mark Jobe, 416 00:26:11,890 --> 00:26:14,810 S1: boy howdy. We've got a link to that. We also 417 00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:18,530 S1: have a link to the new podcast that he's doing, 418 00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:24,150 S1: Quiet Revival. And, uh, Ed Stetzer, he's talking with Gary Chapman. 419 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:27,470 S1: There's a young man named Adam Edwards that he has 420 00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:31,109 S1: spoken with and so highly recommended. Go to the website. 421 00:26:31,109 --> 00:26:37,070 S1: You'll see a link right there, Chris. And when I asked, 422 00:26:37,109 --> 00:26:39,230 S1: I said, Trisha, see if you could hunt down Doctor 423 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:41,710 S1: Jobe and and tell him to put his coat on 424 00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:44,709 S1: and get over here. Uh, one of the things I 425 00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:47,430 S1: really wanted to talk with you was this whole idea 426 00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:50,310 S1: of of making this decision, because I know that there 427 00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:52,790 S1: are people who are struggling with that, and I. I 428 00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:55,150 S1: didn't know it, or maybe I just forgot it, that 429 00:26:55,150 --> 00:26:58,590 S1: you'd written a little booklet during Covid about. Well, it's 430 00:26:58,590 --> 00:27:02,190 S1: titled What now? How to move into your Next season? 431 00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:06,030 S1: The very thing that we're talking about here today. Um, 432 00:27:06,270 --> 00:27:08,350 S1: so I want you to talk to Rory. We had 433 00:27:08,350 --> 00:27:11,430 S1: a conversation with him yesterday. Doctor Rosalee de Roget was 434 00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:13,790 S1: with us. We were talking about letting go. How do 435 00:27:13,790 --> 00:27:17,510 S1: you let go? And he's been in Montana for a 436 00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:20,629 S1: long time. He has grown children who are saying, hey, dad, 437 00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:24,700 S1: move down here to Arizona. It's a little warmer down here, 438 00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:29,820 S1: and that letting go story really struck a chord with him. 439 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,660 S1: So what would you say to somebody who says, I 440 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:36,900 S1: feel this stirring, but I've been here for so long 441 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:40,340 S1: and it's not like I'm stuck in Montana, in Missoula. 442 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:43,340 S1: It's because he's in a great place. But how do 443 00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:46,100 S1: I know when to let go and when to move 444 00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:48,740 S1: on and where to go, and the timing and all that. 445 00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:52,180 S2: That's a great question. Let me say, first of all, 446 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:55,460 S2: doctor De Rosette was a teacher of mine when I 447 00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:58,660 S2: was an 18 year old student, and what a great lady. 448 00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:00,939 S2: Let me also say that my wife texted me and said, hey, 449 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:03,100 S2: I'm listening to you right now, so I better behave. 450 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:07,340 S4: De, you need to call. I want to get your 451 00:28:07,340 --> 00:28:08,180 S4: voice on here. 452 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:11,659 S2: So I would say this, there's a lot of people. 453 00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:15,379 S2: In fact, I think all of us go through seasons 454 00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:21,090 S2: of time where we sense a stirring that maybe Change 455 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:24,290 S2: is on its way, but we're not sure. Is this God? 456 00:28:24,290 --> 00:28:29,090 S2: Is this me? Is this circumstances? And so let me 457 00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:32,729 S2: just give a couple of, um, broader principles that I 458 00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:39,050 S2: would say. Uh, number one, I would say, um, I 459 00:28:39,130 --> 00:28:42,610 S2: think one of the worst times to make transitions is 460 00:28:42,610 --> 00:28:48,450 S2: when you're running from something. In other words, um, it's 461 00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:52,650 S2: not I don't think sometimes we want to change because 462 00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:57,850 S2: we want to escape. And, um. Elijah, um, that's what 463 00:28:57,850 --> 00:29:02,090 S2: he did. He he ran. Um, he felt the call 464 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:06,410 S2: of God. But then when Jezebel. When when she threatened 465 00:29:06,410 --> 00:29:09,850 S2: his life, then he ran and he was looking for change. 466 00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:13,850 S2: But it was driven by fear. Like, I'm afraid to 467 00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:17,410 S2: to to continue on, to face my circumstances. And so 468 00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:23,800 S2: I would say fear is not a good motivator. Um, faith. 469 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,520 S2: So if it's avoidance, it's usually a bad thing. Uh, 470 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,320 S2: because we're avoiding what's difficult, we're avoiding what's hard. And 471 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,440 S2: oftentimes God is driving us towards what's difficult and what's 472 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,560 S2: hard not to avoid it. So I would say that secondly, 473 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,200 S2: I would say that, you know, the Bible talks about 474 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,280 S2: the Holy Spirit, um, is a arbitrator in our heart. 475 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:55,959 S2: He's like a referee and he uses peace. Um, so I, 476 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000 S2: I know it's a bit elusive, but I think that 477 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,280 S2: the peace of God functions as a referee in our 478 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:11,680 S2: heart about decisions that we make. And oftentimes that peace, um, 479 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,680 S2: is unexplainable. But it's it's this reassurance that, hey, I 480 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,350 S2: know this is difficult. It's not the easiest, but I'm 481 00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:25,270 S2: giving you peace. I, um, I was planning on going 482 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:28,350 S2: to Spain when I graduated from Moody Bible Institute, and 483 00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:31,350 S2: that was my comfort zone. I felt very comfortable. That's 484 00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:33,630 S2: where I grew up and put me in a Plaza 485 00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:37,150 S2: cafe con leche, talking to university students. And I'd be 486 00:30:37,150 --> 00:30:40,950 S2: right at home. But God led me to a place 487 00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:45,310 S2: that made me very uncomfortable the inner city southwest side 488 00:30:45,310 --> 00:30:48,830 S2: of Chicago with drug dealers on the corner of the church. 489 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:52,550 S2: And and that was not my environment. That's not where 490 00:30:52,550 --> 00:30:55,270 S2: I wanted to be. But I have to say, there 491 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:58,590 S2: was a sense of peace. Like God was saying, this 492 00:30:58,590 --> 00:31:01,469 S2: is where I want you. Even though it's not wasn't 493 00:31:01,470 --> 00:31:04,510 S2: my comfort. There was also a sense of peace. And 494 00:31:04,510 --> 00:31:07,470 S2: so the Holy Spirit is an arbitrator. I would also 495 00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:14,750 S2: say that, um, godly counsel of trusted people around us 496 00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:19,130 S2: that know us well, that don't have a vested interest, 497 00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:22,290 S2: because sometimes you have people that have a vested interest. 498 00:31:22,570 --> 00:31:25,050 S2: You know, if you're if you know your kids are 499 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,410 S2: down in another place, they have a vested interest to 500 00:31:27,410 --> 00:31:30,970 S2: have grandpa and grandma closer. So they're probably not the 501 00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:34,530 S2: most unbiased people to talk to. But but I would 502 00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:39,930 S2: speak to people that are unbiased, that are mature, that, um, 503 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:45,290 S2: love you, that can sit down and kind of think through, um, 504 00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:49,010 S2: this with you. I think with the right kind of 505 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:52,450 S2: counselors that are that are godly people. I would get that. 506 00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:54,970 S2: The other thing I would say, and I know I'm 507 00:31:54,970 --> 00:32:01,770 S2: just rapid fire here, is that, um, sometimes an idea 508 00:32:01,770 --> 00:32:05,930 S2: flashes through our head, but it doesn't mean that every 509 00:32:05,970 --> 00:32:09,250 S2: idea that we have is a God idea. We have 510 00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:13,090 S2: to marinate on those ideas and we have to sort 511 00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:17,360 S2: of process. The Bible calls it it discerning. And so 512 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,120 S2: sometimes you have an idea. And if you're if you're 513 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,240 S2: a rapid thinker, an idea person, you'll have, you know, 514 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,600 S2: an idea every other day. And if you were to 515 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,160 S2: pursue all those ideas, you'd have whiplash. But you need 516 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,320 S2: to marinate on those. You need to pray through those 517 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,600 S2: if they are persistent, if they don't go away, if 518 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680 S2: they continue to pop up, if they continue to grab 519 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,400 S2: your attention, those are the ones that you need to 520 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,400 S2: pay more attention to. Um, not just the ones that 521 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,680 S2: pop up for a moment because you saw a movie 522 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,960 S2: and then they disappear. But the ones that sort of 523 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,440 S2: continually emerge, and those are the ones that I would 524 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,440 S2: take as, as serious processing before the Lord. Um, this 525 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,440 S2: was this was a internal decision that I felt arising 526 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,040 S2: for some time. I didn't feel at liberty to speak 527 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,200 S2: about it except to my wife. But, but but I 528 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,950 S2: knew that I needed to process this in prayer. I 529 00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:19,750 S2: needed to discern, and with me those things become clearer 530 00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:24,910 S2: and clearer with time. Um, and sometimes it requires releasing 531 00:33:24,910 --> 00:33:27,550 S2: things that you really enjoy. I love moody, I love 532 00:33:27,550 --> 00:33:30,230 S2: what this place stands for, the team, the people, what 533 00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:34,870 S2: we're doing. Um, but I also understand that there was 534 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:37,830 S2: a sense of God was saying, your assignment is done, 535 00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:41,430 S2: and I need you to to pivot in your assignment now. 536 00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:44,710 S2: And so I don't know if that helps a little 537 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:46,470 S2: bit in this discernment process. 538 00:33:46,510 --> 00:33:48,310 S1: You know what I loved about what you said? Because 539 00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:50,190 S1: we've we've been talking about this for the last couple 540 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:52,670 S1: of years. And it comes up time and time again. 541 00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:55,710 S1: I can't believe how often. And I was writing down 542 00:33:55,710 --> 00:34:00,110 S1: the word process when you said process. Uh, and it's, 543 00:34:00,150 --> 00:34:03,670 S1: you know, two different types of speech there, a noun 544 00:34:03,670 --> 00:34:06,790 S1: and a verb. Uh, there is a process you go through, 545 00:34:06,910 --> 00:34:09,350 S1: and then I have to process this. It's all the 546 00:34:09,350 --> 00:34:14,339 S1: same thing. But so often we are outcome oriented and 547 00:34:14,340 --> 00:34:16,620 S1: I just I want to see, okay, what is it 548 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:19,220 S1: that I want and how do I get from here 549 00:34:19,219 --> 00:34:22,260 S1: to there to get the outcome that I want. And 550 00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:26,620 S1: there's nothing wrong inherently with that. But I think in 551 00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:31,140 S1: the Christian life, I was just reading in Thessalonians today, um, 552 00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:37,020 S1: about about sanctification and and seeking the that God's will 553 00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:40,779 S1: for your life is your sanctification. And it says, but 554 00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:43,459 S1: we encourage you, brothers, to do so even more, to 555 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:49,060 S1: seek to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business. 556 00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:52,980 S1: And I interpreted that one way, uh, and to work 557 00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:55,299 S1: with your own hands, as we commended you, so that 558 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,940 S1: you may walk properly in the presence of outsiders and 559 00:34:57,940 --> 00:35:01,140 S1: not be dependent on anyone. And there's a lot in there. 560 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:04,980 S1: But I just looked at that quiet life and then 561 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:08,339 S1: the quiet revival that you're talking about, and it's like, 562 00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:12,650 S1: if I were to seek that kind of peace in 563 00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:17,210 S1: my own life. If I weren't so outcome oriented with 564 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:19,569 S1: here's where I want to be, and if I were 565 00:35:19,570 --> 00:35:22,890 S1: more committed to the process of what God is doing 566 00:35:23,290 --> 00:35:27,370 S1: in me, then I would get closer to his his 567 00:35:27,370 --> 00:35:30,170 S1: own heart and be able to live that out. 568 00:35:30,210 --> 00:35:33,529 S2: Yeah, absolutely. The other thing I would say, Chris, I 569 00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:36,129 S2: failed to mention this I did mention in the story 570 00:35:36,489 --> 00:35:40,410 S2: is that if you're married, um, this is not a 571 00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:44,570 S2: solo decision. This is a decision that you process together 572 00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:48,490 S2: before the Lord. And I think because when you're married, 573 00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:51,410 S2: you're one together, you're going to have different approaches and 574 00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:55,930 S2: different values. But but to me, um, it's been always 575 00:35:55,930 --> 00:35:59,770 S2: very important since I've been married that that we be 576 00:35:59,770 --> 00:36:04,650 S2: in unity together. And if D has a strong red 577 00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:08,970 S2: flag or caution about something, I typically won't move ahead 578 00:36:08,969 --> 00:36:13,910 S2: because I know that God has given us this partnership together, 579 00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:17,310 S2: that we're one together. And so we'll process it together 580 00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:20,630 S2: until we we have a sense of clarity together. And I, 581 00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:23,910 S2: I do think that the Holy Spirit and your spouse 582 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:26,989 S2: are very important in this whole decision making process. 583 00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:27,790 S3: Your sons are. 584 00:36:27,790 --> 00:36:29,270 S1: Pastors as well. I know. 585 00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:31,790 S2: Yeah. One of my sons is a pastor, and I 586 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:36,950 S2: have another son that actually just arrived in Singapore today. 587 00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:41,110 S2: He's a first lieutenant in the infantry. Wow. And he's 588 00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:45,069 S2: 27 years old. Um, and then I have a reaction. 589 00:36:45,110 --> 00:36:48,509 S1: What was their your kids reaction to? Hey, this is 590 00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:50,190 S1: not going to be on my resume anymore. 591 00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:53,870 S2: You know, my kids are. They know us. And, um, 592 00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:57,830 S2: you know, they are always, you know, very supportive of 593 00:36:57,830 --> 00:37:03,190 S2: what we do. And, um, you know, they, uh, you know, 594 00:37:03,310 --> 00:37:08,270 S2: they know that we pray that we seek the Lord. And, um, 595 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:11,779 S2: it was, you know, a bit of a shock when 596 00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:14,779 S2: we stepped into Moody for them, but they were totally 597 00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:17,660 S2: behind it. And in fact, one of my sons came 598 00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:20,299 S2: to Moody, and so he had a and then when 599 00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:23,500 S2: we stepped out, they were like, uh, again, a little 600 00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:26,379 S2: bit like, okay, surprise. But at the same time, they 601 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:29,540 S2: kind of understood, um, and trust. 602 00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:29,860 S1: You. 603 00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,299 S2: They do. They trust us. They trust us. Yeah. 604 00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:34,140 S1: And you trust them and that goes back. 605 00:37:34,180 --> 00:37:35,020 S2: For it does. 606 00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:37,700 S1: Okay, so I've got a bunch of questions to, uh, 607 00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:41,460 S1: to clear everything up. Now with our last segment with 608 00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:44,660 S1: doctor Mark Jobe, if you go to the website, Chris. Org, 609 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:48,060 S1: we've got that book linked now what now how to 610 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,260 S1: move into your next season if that is where you are. 611 00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:54,500 S1: This might be one of those books that really helps 612 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,459 S1: you take that next step for the stirring that God 613 00:37:57,460 --> 00:38:10,130 S1: is doing inside. Our remaining moments with doctor Mark Jobe, 614 00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:13,250 S1: who is the 10th president of Moody Bible Institute. Can 615 00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:17,810 S1: you believe that 140 years old, 140 years of ministry, 616 00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:23,450 S1: Moody Bible Institute now he's not 140, 140 years of 617 00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:27,810 S1: ministry and ten presidents. So we're looking for number 11 618 00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:31,689 S1: coming up, the featured resource. What now? How to move 619 00:38:31,690 --> 00:38:36,169 S1: into your next season, jumping off of what Doctor Jobe 620 00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:38,569 S1: has been talking about. So I just want listeners to 621 00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:42,049 S1: know who for the first time heard this news. Uh, 622 00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:43,689 S1: it's kind of been out there for the last couple 623 00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:47,090 S1: of weeks. Um, you're not leaving tomorrow, right? 624 00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:51,450 S2: No, I'm not leaving tomorrow. I've told the board that I'm, uh. 625 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:54,170 S2: I'll stay until the end of June, which is the 626 00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:57,850 S2: end of the academic and fiscal year. And and I'm 627 00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:59,930 S2: willing to flex a little bit longer if they need 628 00:38:59,930 --> 00:39:01,490 S2: me to stay a little bit longer. I want to 629 00:39:01,770 --> 00:39:06,400 S2: I want to leave, um, in just handing the baton 630 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,000 S2: to the next person if possible, and running full race 631 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,200 S2: ahead because God has so much going on. The other 632 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,879 S2: thing is some of the listeners may know, but this 633 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,799 S2: is the 100th year anniversary of Moody Radio and the 634 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,840 S2: 140th year anniversary of Moody Bible Institute. And in October, 635 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,920 S2: we're celebrating sort of this big 100 year anniversary, 140th 636 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,360 S2: year anniversary. We have speakers coming in for Founders Week. Um, 637 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,120 S2: already have some lined up speakers like, um, I guess 638 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,680 S2: I can say their names on the air. We have, uh, 639 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,880 S2: Priscilla shire, Tony Evans, Crawford Leritz, we have Doctor Stoll, 640 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,359 S2: we have, um, just it's going to be this huge celebration. 641 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,680 S2: And I would love I'm praying that we'll have a 642 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,400 S2: president in place to be able to cast the vision 643 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,440 S2: for the future at that celebration. So it's going to 644 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,640 S2: be it's going to be huge. 645 00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:08,060 S1: That would be great. Okay, so the other one of 646 00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:10,100 S1: the other things I wanted to have you talk about 647 00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:13,380 S1: was this new podcast, Quiet Revival. And we've got a 648 00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:18,180 S1: link to that at Chris Fabry Lives. I would love 649 00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:20,899 S1: for you to go there. Click through and see some 650 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:23,540 S1: of the things that Doctor Jobe is talking about in 651 00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:26,339 S1: some of the guests that he has. But what you 652 00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:28,900 S1: said to me in the break was something that I 653 00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:31,459 S1: have sensed over the last couple of years, and we've 654 00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:35,580 S1: had this series of programs, uh, of, I wanted to 655 00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:38,740 S1: call it Saints in Winter. And then that didn't seem right. 656 00:40:38,739 --> 00:40:41,460 S1: But it's voices of wisdom. Yes. People who have been 657 00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:44,100 S1: down the road and Doctor Sauer is going to join 658 00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,980 S1: me next week. We're going to talk about that. Um, 659 00:40:47,620 --> 00:40:49,580 S1: but those who've been a little bit further down the 660 00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:53,339 S1: road and there are older listeners who are hearing us 661 00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:56,339 S1: talk here today, and they're saying, I'm glad for the 662 00:40:56,340 --> 00:41:00,060 S1: younger generation, but, you know, I don't have any input. 663 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:02,859 S1: I don't I'm not I'm not along, you know, I'm 664 00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:06,290 S1: down for that struggle as far as revival goes and 665 00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:09,890 S1: awakening goes, but I just don't feel like I'm part 666 00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:11,650 S1: of it. What would you say to that person? 667 00:41:12,210 --> 00:41:15,250 S2: Yeah, Chris, I call them the season. Saints season. That's 668 00:41:15,250 --> 00:41:18,370 S2: a good word. You know, one of the interviews I 669 00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:22,850 S2: did was with Doctor Gary Chapman and, uh, you know, 670 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:28,850 S2: Doctor Chapman is well into his 80s yet has this 671 00:41:28,850 --> 00:41:34,530 S2: compelling ministry to people of all ages. And I specifically 672 00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:39,009 S2: wanted to interview him because the family plays a big 673 00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:42,250 S2: role in it. And we talk about how there's a 674 00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:46,210 S2: generation of 20 something year olds that, uh, sometimes I 675 00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:50,410 S2: talk to seasoned believers or men and women that they think, well, 676 00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:53,410 S2: that 21 year old or 20 something, we don't have 677 00:41:53,410 --> 00:41:55,410 S2: anything in common. They don't want to hang out with me. 678 00:41:55,690 --> 00:42:00,930 S2: But do you know the the I hear exactly the 679 00:42:00,930 --> 00:42:03,640 S2: opposite when I'm talking to 20 some year olds that 680 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,919 S2: they are longing to be able to spend time with 681 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,200 S2: someone that's seasoned in the faith. Someone that, um, has 682 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,560 S2: lived life, and especially if you've done it well and 683 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,360 S2: have a track record of maturity, they want to learn. 684 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,720 S2: They want to grow. So I want to say, there's 685 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,200 S2: never been a time like this. I think that you 686 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,160 S2: could impart, mentor, speak into the life, hang out with us, 687 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,160 S2: offer to sit down and have coffee with them, and, um, 688 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,080 S2: engage in that dialogue, because I believe that there's a 689 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:40,480 S2: generation that is, they're famished for seasoned believers to be 690 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,120 S2: able to mentor and speak into their life. And I 691 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,920 S2: think that you there are people listening to me. You 692 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,720 S2: have much more to offer than what you know, because 693 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,600 S2: you have lived through some deep valleys, you've lived some 694 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,040 S2: difficult seasons in life, and God has brought you through those. 695 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,790 S2: And there's, scars, but there's also wisdom and perspective that 696 00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:06,830 S2: God has given you that the Bible talks a lot 697 00:43:06,830 --> 00:43:11,469 S2: about older people mentoring the young, speaking in impartation, and 698 00:43:11,469 --> 00:43:13,590 S2: I think this is a great season for that. 699 00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:17,590 S1: And the vulnerability, if you can be vulnerable with anybody, 700 00:43:17,590 --> 00:43:20,950 S1: but especially with younger person. Here's what happened to me. 701 00:43:20,989 --> 00:43:24,350 S1: You know, this is and how I responded to that. Um, 702 00:43:24,830 --> 00:43:28,550 S1: what what surprised you? You're a graduate of Moody Bible Institute, 703 00:43:28,590 --> 00:43:32,670 S1: Moody theological Seminary. Um, so you've been around Moody for 704 00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:37,469 S1: a long time, but what surprised you about being president, 705 00:43:37,469 --> 00:43:41,870 S1: something that you didn't anticipate or didn't know was going 706 00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:42,509 S1: to happen? 707 00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:47,790 S2: You know, one of the things that surprised me as 708 00:43:47,790 --> 00:43:50,830 S2: I stepped into Moody and I guess I maybe knew this, 709 00:43:50,830 --> 00:43:55,670 S2: but as I look around the nation, there's other schools 710 00:43:55,670 --> 00:44:03,060 S2: that are 150, 200 years old. but there's almost no 711 00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:07,220 S2: school that I know of that is 140 years old. 712 00:44:07,219 --> 00:44:11,340 S2: Like Moody, that has stayed true to the original purpose 713 00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:15,379 S2: and intent for which it was founded. And I can 714 00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:19,339 S2: only attribute that to a supernatural favor and hand of 715 00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:22,620 S2: God upon it. Um, there's a lot of schools that 716 00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:26,259 S2: started with a very similar mission to Moody, and you 717 00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:29,259 S2: would recognize the names of those Ivy League schools right now, 718 00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:32,860 S2: but have nothing to do with the gospel. God has, 719 00:44:32,860 --> 00:44:39,779 S2: in a very supernatural, providential, sovereign way, um, had his 720 00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:43,620 S2: hand upon Moody Bible Institute, and it's, um, it when 721 00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:45,700 S2: I walk on this campus. That's one of the things 722 00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:50,060 S2: that strikes me. God, I don't know exactly why. It 723 00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:52,339 S2: may be the prayers of the saints. It may be 724 00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:56,020 S2: the heart of D.L. Moody, who really consecrated this place 725 00:44:56,020 --> 00:45:00,080 S2: to God. But it's it's been amazing that this long 726 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,000 S2: this place has been on mission for Jesus. 727 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,160 S1: I am sad that you're no longer going to be 728 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,080 S1: the president of Moody after June 30th. I am glad 729 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,080 S1: that God has moved in your heart and your spirit 730 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,279 S1: and and the vulnerability that you've had with us here today. 731 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,360 S1: I am, I'm looking forward to more episodes of Quiet Revival, 732 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,160 S1: and to hear what God is doing around the country, 733 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:33,240 S1: around the world. And I'm excited about your next season. Um, 734 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,240 S1: there are other questions I had we didn't have time for, 735 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,840 S1: but thank you, friend, for for stopping by the the 736 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,319 S1: back fence today. God bless you. I'm going to ask 737 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,920 S1: our listeners, pray for Doctor Jobe in this transition. Pray 738 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,080 S1: for the baton that he holds that he's going to pass, that, uh, 739 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,000 S1: the next person. It would be abundantly clear to those 740 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,790 S1: who are making that decision that this is the person 741 00:45:59,110 --> 00:46:01,589 S1: and to be faithful in the process rather than just 742 00:46:01,590 --> 00:46:03,670 S1: looking at the outcome. You know, I got to get 743 00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:06,550 S1: that in there. Doctor Jobe. Thank you. God bless you, friend. 744 00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:08,230 S2: Thank you brother. God bless you. 745 00:46:08,469 --> 00:46:12,670 S1: And D as well. And all the kids. We gotta 746 00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:13,710 S1: get d on the program. 747 00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:14,310 S2: Oh, yeah. 748 00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:16,390 S1: Why did we have d? Come on. She's the best 749 00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:22,989 S1: part of that. Okay, so here's here's the featured resource 750 00:46:22,989 --> 00:46:25,350 S1: today that I didn't know was going to be what 751 00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:28,190 S1: now and I do I think we gave this away, uh, 752 00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:31,190 S1: months ago. But what now? How to move into your 753 00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:35,670 S1: next season? You can see it at Chris Fabry Livorno, 754 00:46:36,070 --> 00:46:39,150 S1: the podcast Quiet Revival. We have a link to that 755 00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:41,590 S1: and a whole lot more. Thanks a lot for coming 756 00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:44,550 S1: alongside us here today. The two Michaels are back tomorrow 757 00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:47,589 S1: at Chris Fabry Live, a production of Moody Radio, a 758 00:46:47,590 --> 00:46:49,830 S1: ministry of Moody Bible Institute.