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S5: All right. We don't have Cathy in until the top

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S5: on this one. Did anyone see the short track relay?

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S5: Okay, this is like a carnival. It's not an event.

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S5: It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life.

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S3: Oh, well, it's so funny because I, my son and

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S5: No, no. I mean, there's one dude they let get

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S3: Well, you'll hear them yell, Carl! Carl!

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S3: What? They'll yell curl. Curl. Curl.

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S3: No, because the person who's like the launcher again, I

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S5: Okay, uh, boom crew. Here's the deal. Call us right now.

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S5: If you've got a metaphor for any Olympic sport spiritual metaphor,

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S5: Best spiritual metaphor for an Olympic sport. 800 555 7898.

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S5: Give us a call. We are going to get you

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S5: Great. Great analogy. Really true. Really true. Because, I mean,

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S5: Yeah, it's it's massive. Okay. Young Thunder stole the best one.

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S5: But if you got a metaphor from the Olympics.

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S5: You know, there's there's so many of them. But if

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S5: 800 555 7898. Got a call and crew prize pack

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S5: for you. Best Olympic metaphor. Let's go. Spiritual metaphor. You

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S5: So Olympic type things were used. Physical competitions were used

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S5: Give us a call right now. 800 555 7898. We're

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S3: I am ready. I want to see what you come

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S5: Oh, that's beautiful man. Stay on the horn, Mike. Hey, Mike.

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S5: The headwind is holding me back, right? And what a

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S3: You feel something like, if you're someone who loves the

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S5: Get you going. CJ in Indiana. What's your spiritual metaphor

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S8: I think we could use curling as a metaphor. And

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S5: That's dynamite.

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S9: I mean, hi. Um, to me, I will piggyback off

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S5: Yeah. No, it's really cool, man. I love you guys

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S5: Curling's interesting. And you could probably put the Holy Spirit

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S3: Great feedback. These Olympic metaphors. I think the Olympics continue

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S5: It's more than just volunteering for kids ministry. It's more

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S5: than in our case. We've got two campuses, one a

451
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:54,859
S5: little more stable because all the stuff's right there. The

452
00:23:54,859 --> 00:23:58,700
S5: other one, it's like van trailer, all hands on deck,

453
00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:02,340
S5: set up church, you know, sound system, lights everything. And

454
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S5: then take it down when you're done. So there are

455
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S5: awesome places for people to volunteer in lots of churches.

456
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S5: And yet the most important focal point and that we're

457
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S5: called to is to help make disciples. So as a

458
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S5: new believer, a disciple, yes, they they are now apprentices

459
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S5: of Christ. The question is, are they going to be coached, encouraged,

460
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S5: discipled along that path of discipleship? Or will they stay

461
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S5: at that very young kind of drinking milk? Age and

462
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S5: stage of life. Therein lies the challenge, right?

463
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S3: Yeah. So when you were in Kenya recently, what were

464
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S3: some of the things that you saw that they were

465
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S3: doing practically to disciple people who were new followers of

466
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S3: Jesus Christ?

467
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S5: Well, no one knew any better. Okay. Because they didn't know.

468
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S5: They didn't have any church. I've got air quotes going

469
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S5: their experience. So when you came into these upgaze unreached

470
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S5: people groups, when you come in with T.I., the Timothy

471
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S5: Initiative and they're committed from the jump that it's just

472
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S5: a default. So they've taken they've taken the Great Commission

473
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S5: of Matthew 28 and second Timothy two one and two,

474
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S5: and they've imported that. It's an assumption that everybody is

475
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S5: becoming an apprentice of Jesus Christ, and that their worldview

476
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S5: is going to dictate their private and public lives. So

477
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:34,470
S5: everyone's in it to win it. So I'm at two

478
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S5: different churches and it's astounding, but I'm in an area

479
00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:41,270
S5: of Kenya and when I'm talking to an area, I'm

480
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S5: talking a big area like many kilometers square that were

481
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S5: unreached people. Upgaze and then there's somebody goes in, shares

482
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S5: the gospel with a person, and then immediately that person

483
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S5: is is they are coached and guided in knowledge of

484
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S5: the truth, in the application of the truth, with pretty

485
00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:09,869
S5: robust intensity, like nine books translated into their language, whether

486
00:26:09,869 --> 00:26:12,990
S5: it's whether people can read or not, they'll do oral

487
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:16,390
S5: tradition if they need to, but they have an intentional

488
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S5: plan to help those people grow up in Christ, and

489
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S5: then they become disciples making disciples. So it's an assumption

490
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S5: that everyone's going to be appalled at Timothy Titus. Everybody's

491
00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:34,420
S5: going to be witnesses in investing in someone else's life.

492
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S5: And the fruit is undeniable. So here we are at

493
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S5: a place that in September of 25 get this there

494
00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:46,100
S5: are no followers of Jesus to the point where in

495
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S5: a matter of what is this, the church began. Both

496
00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:55,859
S5: these churches began in October, October, November, December, January. In

497
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S5: a matter of three three and a half months, there

498
00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:01,340
S5: are now anywhere from 20 to 50 people now in

499
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S5: this congregation that is meeting underneath a tree, breaking open

500
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S5: the word, and they're all investing in one another to

501
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S5: grow and grow in their relationship with God.

502
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S2: That's incredible. Wow. That's one of the most encouraging stories ever.

503
00:27:14,540 --> 00:27:16,060
S2: I really love hearing that.

504
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:19,260
S5: Seeing it is one of the most mind boggling things

505
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S5: you can imagine.

506
00:27:20,740 --> 00:27:26,040
S3: 20 to 50, from zero to 20 to 50, in three,

507
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S3: three months.

508
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,640
S2: Yeah. And they just meeting under a tree and they're

509
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S2: with each other.

510
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,840
S5: Yeah. And in one place, the pastor, actually a really

511
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,920
S5: cool guy, and his wife and a couple of kids, actually,

512
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,680
S5: they had enough means where they went and built a

513
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,760
S5: little home, bought a plot of land, built a little home,

514
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,480
S5: began witnessing. And now the tree is the tree in

515
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,240
S5: their yard that.

516
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S2: These people meet. Awesome. Wow.

517
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,040
S5: And they're. And then we're walking past these diggings of

518
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,200
S5: these posts where posts go into the ground. They pour

519
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,200
S5: a little bit of not even concrete. They mix manure

520
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,760
S5: and mud and water together, and they create kind of

521
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,640
S5: something that solidifies, and that's how they build their houses.

522
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,639
S5: So it becomes this mud cakes that go over these

523
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:21,270
S5: branches that are laterally tied together with Vines, and it's

524
00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:24,950
S5: all super organic. And so they've got plans to build

525
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:28,470
S5: a church building where they're going to be able to

526
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S5: get out from under the direct heat of the sun.

527
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S5: I will say this God gave great cover, these these

528
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S5: trees that they meet under man. It's like totally obscures

529
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S5: the sun. It's really cool. So you're not just baking

530
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:45,229
S5: in 92 degrees and UV indexes, by the way, that

531
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:48,910
S5: are up around 13, 14, 15 on a UV chart

532
00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:51,790
S5: if you open your phone. So you're glad that you've

533
00:28:51,790 --> 00:28:55,030
S5: got that some shade. Yeah, it's really cool.

534
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S1: You can take them out of Alaska, but you can't

535
00:28:58,270 --> 00:29:02,110
S1: take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew.

536
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:04,910
S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

537
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:09,310
S5: When you are unashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ, it, uh, man,

538
00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:12,710
S5: that primes you for discipleship. If you pair Matthew 28,

539
00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:15,950
S5: the Great Commission, go and make disciples teaching, baptizing them.

540
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:19,140
S5: By the way, that's who we baptize. You get wet.

541
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S5: Those people who are apprentices of Jesus, although budding young ones.

542
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S5: That's who we baptize. And then here's the beauty we

543
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:30,380
S5: go on. And disciples make disciples. How do we know this?

544
00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:33,540
S5: Second Timothy two listen to this you then, my child,

545
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S5: be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus

546
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:39,380
S5: and what you have heard from me. This is Paul

547
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S5: writing to Timothy what you have heard from me, in

548
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S5: the presence of many witnesses, entrust to faithful men. Now

549
00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:55,620
S5: that's a word that can refer to both men and women. Anthropoi.

550
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S5: So it's very important to know that oftentimes you might

551
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S5: look at this and go, boy, that's just men. There

552
00:30:01,180 --> 00:30:04,420
S5: are cases, especially when it comes to qualifications for elders

553
00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:07,060
S5: where men are being referred to. But right here it's

554
00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:09,060
S5: men and women. An important distinction, right?

555
00:30:09,420 --> 00:30:10,180
S3: Absolutely.

556
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S5: Um, so in the presence of many witnesses, entrust to

557
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S5: faithful men and women who will be able to teach

558
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S5: others also. So here's what's interesting. You've got Paul telling

559
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S5: Timothy what you've heard from me in the presence of

560
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S5: many witnesses, entrust to faithful men and women who will

561
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S5: be able to teach others also. You've got four generations

562
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S5: of giving it away right here in one verse. How

563
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S5: cool is that?

564
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S3: Okay, so the four generations.

565
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S5: You got Paul telling Timothy to give to other faithful

566
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S5: people who will be able to teach others also. One. 234.

567
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S5: So with t the Timothy Initiative, who I visited down

568
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S5: in Kenya, they are committed to that. There's then they

569
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S5: call them Paul's who invest in Timothy's who invest in

570
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S5: what they call Titus, who then invest in others as well.

571
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S5: And they've got that whole life cycle in these churches.

572
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S5: How amazing is that?

573
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S3: And, you know, I like that from the jump. There's

574
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S3: this model that you're not just being discipled, but you

575
00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:21,350
S3: are discipling others pretty quickly. Yes, because I think we

576
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:26,710
S3: we have maybe set up a notion unintentionally that that's

577
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S3: kind of for the professionals.

578
00:31:29,030 --> 00:31:30,430
S5: And we have Ali.

579
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S3: So we want to get people to the pastor or

580
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:39,030
S3: the paid staff member at our church for wise counsel

581
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S3: or for discipleship or for any of the other life

582
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S3: things that come up. Not recognizing that as followers of

583
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S3: Jesus Christ, we have the same authority.

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S5: Yeah, it's not professionalism, it's progress. And the amount of

585
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:58,670
S5: fast tracking. I mean, wow, when I was born again, uh,

586
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,390
S5: I went on a crazy fast track, and I soon

587
00:32:02,390 --> 00:32:05,390
S5: found out, oh my goodness, I've got a better understanding

588
00:32:05,390 --> 00:32:07,070
S5: of the word than some people that have been in

589
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:12,190
S5: church here a long time. Why? Because there was intent. Uh,

590
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:15,740
S5: there was no cultural Christianity in my heart anymore. I

591
00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:18,020
S5: was all in with Jesus. I mean, where else could

592
00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:20,860
S5: I go? He saved me from a mess of life.

593
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:24,220
S3: And you had your your uncle who was pouring into

594
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S3: you pretty quickly after you came to faith in Christ.

595
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S5: Yeah. Two days. Two days after I'm in Christ, I'm.

596
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:34,060
S5: I'm in his living room. We're pouring through the scriptures,

597
00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:37,540
S5: sometimes into the wee hours of the morning. And then

598
00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:40,780
S5: it wasn't just him. Then I had a this young

599
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:44,580
S5: collegiate slash career group that was meeting. And, I mean,

600
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:46,860
S5: they were busting open the word of God. It was

601
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S5: absolutely astounding.

602
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S3: So how quickly would you say that you then turned

603
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S3: and started to mentor or disciple someone else?

604
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:58,220
S5: Yeah, I was starting to work. That's funny that you

605
00:32:58,220 --> 00:33:01,460
S5: asked that because I've never been asked that question. Um,

606
00:33:01,780 --> 00:33:07,220
S5: it was probably four weeks, and I was already pouring

607
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S5: my life into some students at fourth Street. It was

608
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S5: a church in Madera, California. Four weeks.

609
00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:15,010
S3: Wow.

610
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S5: Four weeks. Isn't that something? And you might say, oh,

611
00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:22,130
S5: that's way too soon, you know. Is it?

612
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S2: I don't think so.

613
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S5: I mean, if you're if. I mean, I still had

614
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S5: all kinds of alterations that needed to happen in my life.

615
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S5: But this is what we find when I went to Kenya.

616
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:35,130
S5: You've got people that are six weeks old in Christ

617
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S5: who are already Timothy's and now have Titus's.

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S2: Yeah, I think, you know, it's funny, I was listening to, uh,

619
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S2: Quiet Time with Doctor Sauer, the the new moody podcast

620
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S2: that we have. Uh, and and he was talking about

621
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S2: how there was a young student, a college girl, who

622
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S2: was discipling some high schoolers, and she was saying she

623
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S2: was gonna quit because she felt like, well, I don't

624
00:33:56,290 --> 00:33:59,450
S2: have much more life experience than these kids do, so

625
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S2: I can't really teach them anything. And he said, don't

626
00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:04,370
S2: you dare quit. He said, do you know much more

627
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:07,090
S2: than them? No. But do you know more than them? Yes.

628
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S2: And he said, you know, teach from where you are.

629
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S2: You don't have to be in a state of perfection

630
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S2: in order to disciple others. And so, Carl, from four weeks,

631
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S2: did you know everything? Absolutely not. But did you know

632
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S2: enough to be able to teach some other kids? Yeah,

633
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,520
S2: you absolutely did.

634
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,600
S5: And what I learned I could pass on.

635
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,600
S2: Yes. And you grow in as you're continuing to be discipled,

636
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,520
S2: you're going to grow and learn and how to disciple

637
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,040
S2: those kids better and then other people. And so it's

638
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,080
S2: a process. You don't have to be perfect in discipling

639
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S2: others before you start.

640
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S3: So question, Carl, maybe we can tackle this one coming

641
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S3: up because I know somebody listening and going, okay, so

642
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,160
S3: are you talking about. So four weeks in you should

643
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S3: be leading other people. Is there a difference between discipleship

644
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,800
S3: and formal leadership?

645
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
S5: Yeah, that's a great question. Let's tackle that. Coming up

646
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,360
S5: straight ahead.

647
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S1: Take your next step with Jesus. Today you're listening to

648
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,360
S1: Carl and crew.

649
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,960
S10: So we're called to be disciples who make disciples.

650
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S3: Is there a difference between discipleship and leadership. So four

651
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,339
S3: weeks in, Carl, to your walk with Jesus Christ. you

652
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:13,060
S3: were already pouring into other people. We see that in

653
00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:17,180
S3: second Timothy two one and two that we're teaching others also.

654
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S3: But what about leadership? Because obviously you don't want to

655
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S3: put a pastor of a church as somebody who's maybe

656
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:26,260
S3: been in Christ only four weeks, that would seem too

657
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S3: soon to most people.

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S5: Yeah, yeah, I do think that we, uh, we're finding

659
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S5: this around the globe that when people do get on

660
00:35:34,739 --> 00:35:38,860
S5: a fast track and that their posture is humility teachability,

661
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,980
S5: and there's not a pursuit of a platform for platforms sake,

662
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:47,100
S5: but genuinely helping others, we might be shocked at how

663
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,500
S5: quickly people can get to the point where they are

664
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S5: viewed as a pastor in Kenya. They're doing that, and

665
00:35:52,820 --> 00:35:57,260
S5: I'm talking, I'm talking. There's leaders of churches meeting under

666
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S5: trees that are nine months old in Christ Ali. But

667
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:02,500
S5: you bring up a good point. It's a good question.

668
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:05,259
S5: It's one that I've wrestled with after coming back from Kenya.

669
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S5: So there's an assumption and I think it's a good

670
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:12,569
S5: biblical one that everyone in the church is involved in

671
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S5: discipleship now. Are there different roles, and do I have

672
00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:18,450
S5: a spiritual gift of leadership? Yeah, it's my primary gifting

673
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:22,930
S5: is leadership. That's my primary gifting. Evangelism is in there

674
00:36:22,930 --> 00:36:28,210
S5: for sure, but leadership is my primary gift. So do.

675
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:30,970
S5: Are some people going to take more of a frontline

676
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:35,250
S5: approach to this and find themselves naturally or not naturally,

677
00:36:35,250 --> 00:36:39,810
S5: supernaturally geared toward disciple making? Yeah, I think that's absolutely true.

678
00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:43,690
S5: But the error that we make in the American church,

679
00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:49,570
S5: Western Church is that we've professionalized discipleship, and we've forgotten

680
00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:52,250
S5: that everybody in the church is part of this. Now,

681
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:55,890
S5: how do I know that? Well, even evangelists according to

682
00:36:55,930 --> 00:37:00,210
S5: Ephesians four are are they are called to equip the

683
00:37:00,250 --> 00:37:04,090
S5: saints for the work of ministry. So even evangelism is

684
00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:07,560
S5: not an office or a position that goes out and outreaches.

685
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,719
S5: It's designed to equip the Saints to do that work,

686
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,280
S5: which is fascinating. And that's some of the stuff. Almost

687
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,480
S5: sounds foreign to us, doesn't it? Absolutely, yeah. But that's

688
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,600
S5: the biblical model for this. And then you might want

689
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,600
S5: to say, oh my goodness, Karl, I'm a soft spoken person.

690
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,319
S5: At a bare minimum, every disciple of Christ is a

691
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,000
S5: witness of Christ. Be ready to provide an answer when

692
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,040
S5: you are asked about your faith. That is a witness

693
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,799
S5: for Christ and being then in the body of Christ.

694
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,120
S5: We all have a role to help these new followers

695
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,439
S5: grow up in Jesus. So the distinction I see from

696
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,799
S5: a real disciple making platform kind of conviction for ministry

697
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,000
S5: is that everybody's got a piece of the action. Every

698
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,840
S5: person in the church has some role to play, and

699
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,319
S5: that's an eye popper, isn't it?

700
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,830
S3: It is because it definitely goes against, I think, what

701
00:38:06,830 --> 00:38:11,629
S3: we've been conditioned to see. Yeah, in practice in the

702
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:12,950
S3: Western church.

703
00:38:13,390 --> 00:38:15,790
S5: Yeah. And I and I was asking some tough questions

704
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:18,109
S5: of the team boots on the ground in Kenya. It's

705
00:38:18,110 --> 00:38:22,710
S5: like whoa. Every person that gets in this discipleship model

706
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:28,270
S5: is asked to go and share with someone. And they say,

707
00:38:28,270 --> 00:38:31,310
S5: you know, you when when you begin with a clean slate,

708
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:34,950
S5: you don't even have to really ask these people to

709
00:38:34,989 --> 00:38:37,550
S5: do this when it becomes part of the hoop and wharf,

710
00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:41,190
S5: when you've been altered by and regenerated by the Holy Spirit,

711
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:44,830
S5: your life has been totally changed. When the church with

712
00:38:44,830 --> 00:38:47,630
S5: a clean slate is shown that this is then we

713
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:51,029
S5: we something we all just go give away to neighbors, friends,

714
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:54,310
S5: people near and far. It becomes part of the hoop

715
00:38:54,350 --> 00:38:57,310
S5: and wharf of what they're doing and it's foreign. I

716
00:38:57,310 --> 00:39:00,350
S5: know to a lot of us listening really foreign.

717
00:39:00,350 --> 00:39:02,629
S3: I think that this is a bit of a this

718
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:05,609
S3: is a mind bender because I think it requires us

719
00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:08,690
S3: to take the take God at His Word, and to

720
00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:12,129
S3: trust that the Holy Spirit is going to guide people

721
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:14,810
S3: even where they lack experience.

722
00:39:14,850 --> 00:39:17,730
S5: Yeah, it's really true. And we're going to be talking

723
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:20,489
S5: discipleship all week long, and it's going to be challenging.

724
00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:24,290
S5: You're going to hear things that go, oh man, I'm

725
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:26,689
S5: not sure why we are doing it right. God can

726
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:28,050
S5: turn it around. He can.

727
00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:33,210
S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.

728
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:37,210
S1: Super di is in the crew. It's curl and crew

729
00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:38,489
S1: on Moody Radio.

730
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:41,250
S5: Well, it's the top of the 6:00 hour central time.

731
00:39:41,290 --> 00:39:42,210
S5: So you know what that means.

732
00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:47,650
S3: Oh, yeah. We need a little, uh, Olympic update. Oh, yeah.

733
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:48,650
S3: You hear the music?

734
00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:53,890
S5: Cathy, our correspondent extraordinaire, popping in here. Kathy, good morning

735
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:54,450
S5: to you.

736
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:58,250
S11: Good morning, team WNBA. I've missed you all.

737
00:39:59,090 --> 00:40:02,330
S5: Yeah, it's, uh, long weekend, but it's good to have

738
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:05,160
S5: you back here. Okay. Give us a rundown. What do

739
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,839
S5: we need to know about the Olympics?

740
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,600
S11: Okay. We're going to start with highlights for the 2026

741
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,200
S11: Olympic Winter games. And we're going to start with local

742
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,920
S11: influences like Mike Glomski, who grew up playing hockey, then

743
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,399
S11: worked at an ice rink in college and is now

744
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,440
S11: the general manager of the Pettit Ice Center in Milwaukee,

745
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,640
S11: which is one of the only two competitive long track

746
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,240
S11: ovals in the United States. Mike's been working with Mike Musser,

747
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,120
S11: making the best ice in the world since 2018. He's

748
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,040
S11: at the Olympics right now working on that ice, and

749
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,600
S11: at least four Olympic records have been surpassed in Milan-cortina games.

750
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,160
S11: And Mike Glomski is enjoying every second of it.

751
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,480
S5: Wow. So he's he's he's like the ice man. He's

752
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,759
S5: the ice man. Yeah.

753
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,880
S11: That's so it's called the Ice Master. And he has

754
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,750
S11: been paired or being mentored by Mike Messer, the Ice Master,

755
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:05,710
S11: and he is growing and loving it and is really

756
00:41:05,710 --> 00:41:07,430
S11: into the science of ice.

757
00:41:07,469 --> 00:41:10,029
S5: Yeah, I mean, not all ice is the same, and

758
00:41:10,030 --> 00:41:12,870
S5: I learned that a few Olympics ago, but that's that's

759
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:15,950
S5: a fascinating thing. I hear some of these skaters saying, oh,

760
00:41:15,989 --> 00:41:18,870
S5: this is kind of this was 4 or 5, six,

761
00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:22,549
S5: eight years ago when they said it's bad ice. It

762
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:25,910
S5: was slow ice, but it sounded like this is good ice,

763
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:27,710
S5: this Olympics. Cathy.

764
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:31,350
S11: Yeah, they're they're breaking records. And then how about my

765
00:41:31,350 --> 00:41:34,989
S11: favorite commercials? My favorite one is one of my favorites,

766
00:41:34,989 --> 00:41:38,670
S11: the Delta commercial, where the athletes talk about why they

767
00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:42,230
S11: put in the work or the just Food for dogs commercial,

768
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:44,669
S11: where the guy's with his dog and he says, who

769
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:48,470
S11: else am I going to talk to? Not people. And

770
00:41:48,510 --> 00:41:51,790
S11: the Kodiak Cakes commercial, where two young boys are seen

771
00:41:51,790 --> 00:41:54,790
S11: skiing off the roof of the family home, and mom says,

772
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:57,870
S11: our boys had wild dreams. And you know what? We

773
00:41:57,870 --> 00:42:00,730
S11: decided to fuel it. And then it shows the boys

774
00:42:00,730 --> 00:42:04,529
S11: skiing down the steps at school. Passing period. And how

775
00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:07,530
S11: about this, Carl? Have you tried this? Being pulled by

776
00:42:07,530 --> 00:42:10,330
S11: horses on skis, in the mud? Oh come on.

777
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:13,330
S5: Come on. I've never done horses. I've done cars and

778
00:42:13,330 --> 00:42:17,210
S5: I've done dogs, but I've never done horses. That's beautiful. Cathy.

779
00:42:17,410 --> 00:42:18,610
S11: New horizons.

780
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:22,610
S5: Any, uh, give us some other insights here. There's been some, uh,

781
00:42:23,090 --> 00:42:26,370
S5: thrill of victory and some agony of defeat. Stealing the

782
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:28,850
S5: old line from Wide World of Sports. There's been some

783
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:31,530
S5: highlights and some tough heartbreaks, hasn't there?

784
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:36,969
S11: Yes. So, um. Breezy Johnson was our first gold medallist

785
00:42:36,969 --> 00:42:40,090
S11: in the games for the US. Um, and I think

786
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:43,690
S11: that her, um, Connor Watkins should get a gold for

787
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:48,450
S11: his proposal also, um, he said breezy noble Johnson, you've

788
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:51,210
S11: worked so hard and achieved so much, and yet you

789
00:42:51,210 --> 00:42:54,770
S11: still find time to love me, to make me feel special.

790
00:42:54,969 --> 00:42:58,089
S11: And most importantly, you help me love myself. And now

791
00:42:58,090 --> 00:43:01,000
S11: that I know what that feels like, there's only one

792
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
S11: way I want to spend the rest of my life.

793
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,200
S11: And that is by your side I love you. Will

794
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:05,960
S11: you marry me?

795
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,120
S3: Wait. This was a proposal during the Winter Olympics?

796
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,360
S11: Yes, for Breezy Johnson, our first gold medal. Gold medal winner.

797
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,280
S5: Downhill, right?

798
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,840
S11: Yep, yep.

799
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:16,920
S3: Fantastic.

800
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,200
S11: Yep. And then one of those disappointments you might have

801
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,560
S11: referred to Carl is Ilia Malinin. Um, not scoring as

802
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,760
S11: he had wished, but he had incredible poise and humility.

803
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,360
S11: And he stood in front of all the cameras and said,

804
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,320
S11: I messed up.

805
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,040
S5: Yeah, I.

806
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,360
S11: Was yeah.

807
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,600
S5: I was blown away. Could comment on that. I was

808
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,160
S5: blown away at ilya's, uh, sportsmanship. Right after he totally

809
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,319
S5: swallowed his gum and had a for him a horrible routine.

810
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,880
S5: He came off that ice and when the when the

811
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,960
S5: guy won, who was a shocker because Pakistan or something

812
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,240
S5: crazy um, he went up and hugged the guy, spoke

813
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,589
S5: with him. It wasn't a perfunctory handshake. He spoke with

814
00:43:59,590 --> 00:44:03,830
S5: him for like 20 30s there. On live TV, smiling

815
00:44:03,830 --> 00:44:08,469
S5: and encouraging the kid. I mean, it was classy sportsmanship.

816
00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:12,350
S11: Yep. And he admitted it. He said I messed up. Right.

817
00:44:12,350 --> 00:44:15,790
S11: You did a great job, I messed up. Congratulations. So,

818
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:20,270
S11: our current medal count. Norway's in the lead with 28 medals.

819
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:23,910
S11: 12 gold. Italy has 23 medals, eight gold, and the

820
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:27,709
S11: United States is in third place with 19 medals and

821
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:32,790
S11: six gold. Today we're looking forward to Nordic combined. Combined.

822
00:44:32,830 --> 00:44:36,430
S11: Which hold on to your hat is when cross-country skiers

823
00:44:36,430 --> 00:44:40,029
S11: jump from a hill and then they receive points for

824
00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:45,430
S11: distance and style and then race to the finish. Bob. Yeah,

825
00:44:45,469 --> 00:44:47,110
S11: if you're bored, get out there.

826
00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:47,710
S5: Yeah.

827
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:48,230
S3: Bob.

828
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:57,300
S11: Bobsleigh. Women's monobob and snowboarding. Women's slopestyle. So, talking about disappointments,

829
00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:59,939
S11: let's go back to our Olympic basics. Are you ready?

830
00:44:59,980 --> 00:45:02,859
S11: We're going to talk about curling. Carl, what are the

831
00:45:02,860 --> 00:45:06,259
S11: concentric circles on the ice called?

832
00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:10,100
S5: I have no clue. It's. Are they? It's not a target,

833
00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:10,660
S5: is it?

834
00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:11,820
S3: The house, Cathy?

835
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:12,860
S11: Good.

836
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:13,260
S3: Yes.

837
00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:14,900
S11: Points for Ali today.

838
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:16,620
S5: The house? Is that what it's called?

839
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:17,820
S11: House? Yeah.

840
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:18,660
S5: Bring it home.

841
00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:20,700
S11: Target? Yeah, it's called a house.

842
00:45:20,739 --> 00:45:21,180
S5: Okay.

843
00:45:21,219 --> 00:45:25,739
S11: And, um, what is one round of stone throwing called?

844
00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:27,779
S5: Oh, is it a side?

845
00:45:27,820 --> 00:45:33,100
S11: No, an end end. Close an end. Not the sides.

846
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:37,660
S11: The ends. And, Jonathan, do teams concede if they are

847
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:40,620
S11: losing or do they fight to the death and curling.

848
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:44,700
S2: Fight to the death? Sounds a little dramatic. Uh, I'm

849
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:46,780
S2: gonna say concede for curling.

850
00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:50,180
S11: Yes. They withdraw when they know they have no chance

851
00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:50,860
S11: of winning.

852
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:54,540
S2: Oh that's awesome. I can't do it. I'm done.

853
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,600
S11: Yep. Lastly, the the captain of the team is called

854
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,160
S11: the what?

855
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:00,880
S5: Oh.

856
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,000
S2: Oh, man.

857
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:02,640
S3: I don't know.

858
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,400
S5: Puba. It's King Puba.

859
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,160
S11: You guys should be calling Carl this. You should know

860
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:07,840
S11: this answer.

861
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,359
S5: Oh, no.

862
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,719
S11: The captain of the team is the skip.

863
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:11,640
S5: The skip.

864
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,920
S11: The skip. Mhm.

865
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,120
S5: Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to go with Skippy here

866
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,280
S5: I can tell you that. Oh that's funny. Kathy thank

867
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,719
S5: you so much for ducking in here. And Kathy's going

868
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,200
S5: to be back again at the top of the 8:00

869
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,839
S5: hour of central time. So you don't want to miss it.

870
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,080
S5: My goodness, she's bringing the goods.

871
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:29,720
S2: I was really.

872
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,840
S3: Chock full of good stuff today.

873
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:37,960
S5: Oh my word. Well, as we know, you see a

874
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,319
S5: hot story and then it disappears from media. And to

875
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,640
S5: be fair, it's not because they're conspiring. It's because there's

876
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,680
S5: so much going on in news cycles. Ali. I mean,

877
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,520
S5: it's just real. So we want to get an update

878
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,190
S5: on Iran, what is happening there? And we've got a

879
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:57,550
S5: special guest ducking in here in just a moment, guys.

880
00:46:57,550 --> 00:47:00,630
S5: This is how we can pray. Update straight ahead.

881
00:47:01,390 --> 00:47:05,150
S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.

882
00:47:05,310 --> 00:47:07,470
S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.

883
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:10,149
S5: Uh, we got to get an update here. Iran, what

884
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:12,149
S5: is happening there? We're going to jump right on it.

885
00:47:12,190 --> 00:47:15,630
S5: Lana Silk with us. She's president and chief operating officer,

886
00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:20,670
S5: executive officer of Transform Iran powerful ministry. And she's got

887
00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:25,070
S5: some insights. Lana, it seems like we speak about every

888
00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:27,670
S5: week or every other week. Give us an update, sister.

889
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:30,189
S5: It's moving fast over there, isn't it? But we don't

890
00:47:30,190 --> 00:47:31,190
S5: even hear about it.

891
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:35,589
S12: True. Carl, I appreciate you continuing the conversation. You know,

892
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:38,630
S12: I can see that people are getting tired and moving on,

893
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:43,030
S12: but sadly, it's just intensifying in the country and even

894
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:46,990
S12: getting worse. Regular protests have stopped, but the oppression has

895
00:47:46,989 --> 00:47:49,910
S12: moved underground and it's pretty horrific what's happening.

896
00:47:50,590 --> 00:47:54,739
S3: Lana, what do we know about the talks between us

897
00:47:54,739 --> 00:47:57,300
S3: and Iran that has made news just in the last

898
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:58,580
S3: 24 hours?

899
00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:04,140
S12: Yes, that political side has been interesting to watch. I'm

900
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:06,580
S12: not entirely sure. Of course, I'm not privy to the

901
00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:10,779
S12: inside conversations. Uh, it would be interesting to see how

902
00:48:10,780 --> 00:48:13,259
S12: that plays out. Right now, looking at it from the

903
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:16,660
S12: Iranian perspective, it doesn't seem the time to be making

904
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:20,820
S12: political negotiations. But I'm sure the president knows many things

905
00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:21,420
S12: I don't.

906
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:24,940
S5: You just said something in passing. You're saying that the

907
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:30,020
S5: the outward protests, the street marches, those have diminished, have they?

908
00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:34,660
S5: Has the regime successfully quelled that and discouraged people because

909
00:48:34,660 --> 00:48:39,860
S5: of just assassinating, killing, shooting into crowds? What's going on here?

910
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:42,819
S12: Yes. They've made it impossible for people to be in

911
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:47,340
S12: the street. So literally shooting people for pausing for a minute.

912
00:48:47,340 --> 00:48:50,570
S12: I was reading reports again this morning, people saying that,

913
00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:53,410
S12: you know, my daughter just hesitated, checking the text. And

914
00:48:53,410 --> 00:48:56,450
S12: that was it. She's she's gone now. That kind of, um,

915
00:48:56,489 --> 00:48:59,570
S12: feedback is consistent. People are afraid to be in the streets.

916
00:48:59,610 --> 00:49:03,330
S12: Really desperate circumstances are what drive them out. Absolutely not

917
00:49:03,330 --> 00:49:06,810
S12: in the evenings. Only daytimes. But what's also happening now

918
00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:11,210
S12: is the authorities are raiding people's homes. They're strip searching

919
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:13,210
S12: people to check for wounds, to see if they were

920
00:49:13,210 --> 00:49:18,490
S12: in the protests. Um, detaining. Arresting. Um, it's it's really

921
00:49:18,489 --> 00:49:19,490
S12: frightening right now.

922
00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:24,489
S3: So help us understand how we got here. And that's

923
00:49:24,489 --> 00:49:26,570
S3: a question I think we ask you each time, because

924
00:49:26,570 --> 00:49:29,649
S3: I think it's it's important to build context because this

925
00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:32,690
S3: is not front of mind for many people.

926
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:33,450
S13: Yes.

927
00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:37,330
S12: It started on the 28th of December. The currency collapsed

928
00:49:37,330 --> 00:49:40,370
S12: and it started as a business led protest because the

929
00:49:40,570 --> 00:49:45,049
S12: shopkeepers of the central bazaar in Tehran, an important economic center,

930
00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:47,850
S12: took to the streets, closing their businesses, saying we can't

931
00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:52,870
S12: operate anymore. This is ridiculous. Our economy is unsustainable. But

932
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:56,310
S12: that really quickly changed from an economic protest to a

933
00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:59,910
S12: nationwide sort of galvanized, actually, you know what? We've had

934
00:49:59,910 --> 00:50:02,990
S12: enough with the way the government is running our country, because, remember,

935
00:50:02,989 --> 00:50:05,069
S12: Iran is not a poor country. Iran has access to

936
00:50:05,110 --> 00:50:07,950
S12: some of the richest natural resources in the world, and

937
00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:10,310
S12: yet the people are struggling to feed their families.

938
00:50:10,989 --> 00:50:13,790
S5: Do the people in Iran feel betrayed? It feels like

939
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:15,710
S5: we had a window when we could have. I don't

940
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:19,670
S5: know what exactly you can do short of missile strikes

941
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:23,109
S5: and maybe some surgical strikes, as we saw, even with

942
00:50:23,110 --> 00:50:27,110
S5: the nuclear facilities that were hammered back in the day,

943
00:50:27,110 --> 00:50:29,230
S5: here seems like forever ago. That was just a couple

944
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:33,589
S5: of months ago. But did they? There's got to be

945
00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:36,750
S5: a sense in which, man, we didn't get we didn't

946
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:38,989
S5: get our allies jumping in here behind us while we

947
00:50:38,989 --> 00:50:41,469
S5: had some momentum. That's got to be a real emotion.

948
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:45,230
S12: It is a real emotion. There's no denying that. I

949
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:47,310
S12: think that together with the fact that there was some

950
00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:52,580
S12: very open encouragement from the west of Iranians to take

951
00:50:52,580 --> 00:50:55,100
S12: to the streets. You know, the threats, if you even

952
00:50:55,140 --> 00:50:57,940
S12: were to kill any protesters, will come after you. It

953
00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:01,180
S12: really empowered the protesters to think, oh, okay, maybe this

954
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:05,740
S12: time there really is foreign backing here. We've never had

955
00:51:05,739 --> 00:51:09,460
S12: such widespread protests. All 31 provinces were involved. People from

956
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:12,580
S12: towns and villages that had never taken part in protests

957
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:15,300
S12: took to the streets thinking, okay, we're going to jump

958
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,540
S12: on now. It seems we've got help coming. And the

959
00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:20,140
S12: feedback we've had is it seems help is not coming

960
00:51:20,140 --> 00:51:23,300
S12: and people are pretty upset about that.

961
00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:27,060
S3: Lana Silk, President and chief Executive officer with Transform Iran

962
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:30,180
S3: with us this morning. Coming up, what does freedom look

963
00:51:30,219 --> 00:51:33,460
S3: like for the people of Iran, and how can we

964
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,100
S3: be praying? Both of those questions answered coming up here

965
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:36,980
S3: on Karlyn Crew.

966
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,580
S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

967
00:51:40,580 --> 00:51:44,820
S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew, its

968
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:47,129
S1: curling crew on Moody Radio.

969
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:50,489
S3: Lana Silk with us this morning, chief executive officer and

970
00:51:50,489 --> 00:51:55,130
S3: president of Transform Iran. What does freedom look like for

971
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:57,530
S3: the people of Iran? What would you say?

972
00:51:58,810 --> 00:52:00,450
S13: Well, it's the ability to choose.

973
00:52:00,489 --> 00:52:02,969
S12: Isn't it, Ali? For them to be able to live

974
00:52:02,969 --> 00:52:05,690
S12: their lives without this level of control. And it's become

975
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:08,570
S12: clear now that this government will never allow it. We're

976
00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:12,649
S12: in new, uncharted territories of brutality that's even surprising by

977
00:52:12,650 --> 00:52:17,410
S12: Iran's government. They're unrepentant, unrelenting. So I would say the

978
00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:19,930
S12: government has to be removed. And this is not just

979
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:23,570
S12: 1 or 2 people. This is the religious leadership, certainly

980
00:52:23,570 --> 00:52:26,489
S12: the supreme leader and his son. Um, there has to

981
00:52:26,489 --> 00:52:29,810
S12: be a widespread replacement. And the people cannot do that

982
00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:30,690
S12: without help.

983
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:34,770
S5: Yeah, yeah. Therein lies the challenge. A quick, uh, lay

984
00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:39,730
S5: of the landscape here, Lana. Are there any surrounding countries, uh,

985
00:52:39,730 --> 00:52:42,890
S5: Islamic countries that are standing up against this, or they

986
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:44,290
S5: remain in pretty silent?

987
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,520
S12: They are remaining silent. There is a little bit of

988
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,919
S12: a fear in them as to what would happen if

989
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,879
S12: Iran was to be freed. Iran is a very powerful

990
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,440
S12: player in that region, and it's a little bit of

991
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,560
S12: a case of better the devil, you know, and I

992
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,600
S12: think they feel nervous about a change.

993
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,080
S5: You know, there's some interesting prophecies, Lana, about Iran in

994
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,240
S5: in Times. I'm sure you've done some cogitating some thinking

995
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,120
S5: on that one. What what are what are things shaping up?

996
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,719
S5: As I've never discussed with you end times prophecy, but

997
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,080
S5: are you seeing anything that's, um, kind of a bubbling

998
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,800
S5: up of what we see near the end?

999
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,239
S13: Well, yes.

1000
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,839
S12: I mean, we could have a long conversation about that. Yeah,

1001
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,279
S12: I do see God's hand in the sort of the

1002
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,839
S12: much bigger picture. And God very clearly says that he's

1003
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,719
S12: going to establish his throne in Islam. And I do

1004
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,520
S12: believe that part of the fight that's happening here is

1005
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,960
S12: tied into this desperate attempt by the devil to hold

1006
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,760
S12: on to this ground that he's taken because he knows

1007
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,700
S12: the power that will be yielded for the Kingdom of

1008
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:45,100
S12: light when he lets it go.

1009
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:49,020
S3: Lana, how can we be praying? And what are you

1010
00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:51,540
S3: hearing from the church in Iran?

1011
00:53:52,219 --> 00:53:53,260
S13: The church in Iran.

1012
00:53:53,260 --> 00:53:58,420
S12: Is in a real state of fear right now. They

1013
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:01,060
S12: are fighting it. They know the Word of God. The

1014
00:54:01,060 --> 00:54:04,540
S12: perfect love casts out fear. But it is terrifying right now.

1015
00:54:04,540 --> 00:54:07,219
S12: There's no other word. The way the government, the authorities

1016
00:54:07,219 --> 00:54:11,180
S12: are just raiding homes and pulling people out of their

1017
00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:16,580
S12: their quiet spaces is is brutal. So let's pray for peace.

1018
00:54:16,580 --> 00:54:20,020
S12: That supernatural peace that passes all understanding. Pray for comfort.

1019
00:54:20,020 --> 00:54:23,020
S12: Pray for our team who are pastoring them and discipling

1020
00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:25,580
S12: them from a distance, trying to help as best we can,

1021
00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:27,420
S12: that we would have the right words at the right

1022
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:31,100
S12: time for them. And let's be praying for foreign leaders,

1023
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:34,900
S12: especially President Trump. He has a lot of influence in

1024
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:37,420
S12: this situation now, and we pray for wisdom for him

1025
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:40,260
S12: that he will make the right decisions and that God's

1026
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:41,540
S12: will will be done in Iran.

1027
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:45,250
S5: Yeah. And as we spoke here a week or so ago,

1028
00:54:45,610 --> 00:54:49,810
S5: the the bummer is just because you displace the mullahs

1029
00:54:49,810 --> 00:54:54,930
S5: and the ayatollahs and his son, that doesn't ensure you're

1030
00:54:54,930 --> 00:54:57,810
S5: going to have a great regime, right? I mean, that's

1031
00:54:57,810 --> 00:54:58,770
S5: the rub here.

1032
00:54:59,170 --> 00:55:01,450
S12: And that is true. But if you were to take

1033
00:55:01,450 --> 00:55:05,170
S12: out enough of that sort of central nervous system. Iran

1034
00:55:05,170 --> 00:55:09,170
S12: has a viable alternative right now in the crown Prince Pahlavi.

1035
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:12,850
S12: He has galvanized a lot of support. He has unified

1036
00:55:12,850 --> 00:55:16,410
S12: the country. And he is he is ready to step

1037
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:19,090
S12: in and, in his words, to form a transitional government

1038
00:55:19,090 --> 00:55:23,049
S12: that will then lead to democratic elections. So there's promise.

1039
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:27,210
S5: Yeah. That's great. Uh, what's your heart language when you pray?

1040
00:55:27,250 --> 00:55:29,090
S5: What language do you talk to God in?

1041
00:55:29,969 --> 00:55:34,529
S12: Um, it depends on the day. Either Armenian or Farsi. Armenians.

1042
00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:37,650
S12: My mother tongue. I'm an ethnic minority. And Farsi.

1043
00:55:38,090 --> 00:55:41,520
S5: Yeah. Would you know a couple of things are happening here.

1044
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,080
S5: Number one, I'm a big believer that good information leads

1045
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,759
S5: to great intercession. I don't know that this is why

1046
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,360
S5: we love to get you on here. We get good information.

1047
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,799
S5: Now we can intercede with power. But I want you

1048
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,920
S5: to pray in whatever heart language God's given you. We're

1049
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,160
S5: going to join you. Here's what's awesome. Only a smattering

1050
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,360
S5: will understand exactly all the words you're saying. But boy,

1051
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,480
S5: the Spirit of God is at work through these things

1052
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,520
S5: and we want to join you in your heart language.

1053
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,239
S5: You pray for Iran right now and we'll join you.

1054
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,680
S5: And I'll hear you when you say Amen. How's that?

1055
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,480
S14: Well, Carl, I'll begin in Farsi.

1056
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,640
S12: Gladly. But let me finish in English so that you

1057
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:30,080
S12: can you can follow along. Yeah. Um. Talk. To me.

1058
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:42,140
S12: For me. My. Mom. Um. So, Lord, we invite you

1059
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:46,100
S12: to take authority now as you have in Iran. Dispose

1060
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:49,500
S12: the wickedness that is in that country. Establish your throne

1061
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:53,460
S12: and leave your people in. In triumph, in victory. And

1062
00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:57,299
S12: we pray again for peace and righteousness and joy, that

1063
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:59,660
S12: the fruits of your kingdom shall be established in Iran

1064
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:02,500
S12: for your glory. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

1065
00:57:02,780 --> 00:57:06,180
S5: Amen. Lana. We love you, sister man. What a gem

1066
00:57:06,219 --> 00:57:10,460
S5: of a young lady you are. And boom crew. We

1067
00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:15,780
S5: good information leads to good intercession, and good information leads

1068
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:19,340
S5: to responsible biblical action. And there's some of you that

1069
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:21,620
S5: hear from Lana, and you're like, man, how can we

1070
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:23,740
S5: be a part or get more clued in to what's

1071
00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:26,700
S5: happening here? We got a one stop shop for you

1072
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:29,140
S5: in Iran this morning, and Ali's got the goods.

1073
00:57:29,180 --> 00:57:36,420
S3: Just text transform to 800 555 7898. Text transform to

1074
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:40,770
S3: 805 0555 7898. It's going to take you to a

1075
00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:43,490
S3: prayer guide. Also the website. You can find more about

1076
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:44,890
S3: the work of this great ministry.

1077
00:57:45,050 --> 00:57:49,410
S5: Yeah. Transform 805 55 7898.

1078
00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:52,890
S1: You're listening to Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

1079
00:57:53,410 --> 00:57:56,690
S5: Well, in the middle of all this brutality in Iran

1080
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:59,410
S5: and and the wheels coming off in so many ways

1081
00:57:59,410 --> 00:58:03,330
S5: around the globe, the gospel is going forward. And that's

1082
00:58:03,330 --> 00:58:06,970
S5: called discipleship. We covered some ground already this morning that

1083
00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:09,410
S5: I just want to do a quick flyby on. If

1084
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:12,610
S5: we look at the Great Commission, Matthew 28, what do

1085
00:58:12,610 --> 00:58:14,689
S5: we find? We find that there is a call on

1086
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:20,090
S5: our life to go therefore and make disciples. Baptizing of

1087
00:58:20,090 --> 00:58:24,490
S5: all nations, by the way, baptizing them, baptizing disciples. That's

1088
00:58:24,490 --> 00:58:28,210
S5: who gets wet and declares, I'm a apprentice of Jesus Christ.

1089
00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:34,170
S5: That's what discipleship means. And teaching them to observe everything commanded.

1090
00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:38,640
S5: So boy, you got a you got a real game

1091
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,480
S5: changer here. If you take that great commission, if you

1092
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,840
S5: look at the functioning of the church, the aim is

1093
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,360
S5: one thing and that is making disciples. So this is

1094
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,160
S5: why I believe it's, um, Dallas Willard who says if

1095
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:59,720
S5: you don't measure what matters, you'll might wind up managing

1096
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,720
S5: what doesn't.

1097
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,720
S3: If you don't measure what matters, you'll wind up managing

1098
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,880
S3: what doesn't. Yeah. Okay.

1099
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:12,520
S5: That's a that's that's profound. And the one of the

1100
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,400
S5: great challenging things here. And I'm not a church basher

1101
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,560
S5: because guess what? If you start bashing the bride of Christ,

1102
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,160
S5: you're on the wrong side of history here, baby. You

1103
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,560
S5: do not want to be bashing the bride of Christ.

1104
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,520
S5: But there's always things that we can do to sharpen up.

1105
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,400
S5: So what do we find in the book of acts?

1106
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,270
S5: We find that noses are counted, right? How many thousands

1107
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:38,710
S5: came to Christ? How many more thousands came to Christ?

1108
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:40,870
S5: How many more? Thousands came to Christ? And by the way,

1109
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:44,669
S5: it was always seems often be in the thousands. And

1110
00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:49,550
S5: then there are letters written. Paul says, listen, if please

1111
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:52,350
S5: follow through on this commitment to take up this offering,

1112
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S5: I'm coming through town. I want to use that to

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S5: go reach new people groups. So there is a definite

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S5: emphasis on nickels and noses. What becomes problematic is when

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S5: our greatest measurement on whether we're validated or invalidated is

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01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:17,150
S5: born out of measuring this nickels and noses. And the

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01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:21,310
S5: reason that's dangerous is, is that Matthew 28 indicates that

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01:00:21,310 --> 01:00:26,950
S5: the greatest measurement is are we making disciples, teaching them

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S5: to observe all that I've commanded you? And the reason

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S5: that's tough is how do you measure disciple making, right?

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S3: How do you measure it? I mean, if you. You

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01:00:36,370 --> 01:00:37,970
S3: may have grown up in a church that had a

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S3: little placard up on the side wall that said last week,

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S3: last week's offering, last week's attendance. Did you grow up

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S3: in one of those churches? And it was it was measured.

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01:00:48,930 --> 01:00:51,370
S3: It was up on the wall for everybody to see.

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S3: There was no category that said how we're doing in

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S3: disciple making.

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S5: Does it surprise you that I went up with the

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S5: pastor's sons and messed with those numbers? Sometimes you'd put

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01:01:00,770 --> 01:01:06,090
S5: up last week's attendance 1,572,000. We just grab a bunch

1132
01:01:06,090 --> 01:01:08,010
S5: of numbers and fill that whole reader board.

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S3: That doesn't surprise me at all.

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S5: And the offering? We'd put it down to, like, ten bucks.

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S2: That ratio is not very good.

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S3: It's pretty funny.

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S5: I remember one time, Pastor Keith. He looked at that

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01:01:23,490 --> 01:01:28,370
S5: reader board. Well, we were singing songs and he gets

1139
01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:30,570
S5: up and goes, I just want to say, if you

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01:01:30,570 --> 01:01:33,040
S5: look over at our attendance and giving last week that

1141
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,680
S5: it's very apparent that my son, sons Brad and Calvin

1142
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,160
S5: and Carl.

1143
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,320
S3: Oh, called you out, huh?

1144
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,480
S5: Oh, yeah, he would call me out. He especially called

1145
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,120
S5: me out when we set the alarm clock in the

1146
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,640
S5: pulpit for high noon, and it went off. And I

1147
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,360
S5: remember thinking, as the message is going on now, I'm

1148
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,680
S5: freaking out, going, no, I wish we hadn't done this.

1149
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,520
S2: Yeah, that's a bad idea. I really hope he finishes

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:58,280
S2: before noon.

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01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,600
S5: And he didn't. And all of a sudden the Big

1152
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:05,840
S5: Ben clock, the little the little clock. And he's looking

1153
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,640
S5: around going, what in the world? And everybody in the

1154
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,480
S5: auditorium is going, what in the world's going on?

1155
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:10,240
S2: Oh man.

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01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,360
S5: And he reached down, grabbed that thing, pulled it out

1157
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:19,720
S5: and said, Brad, Calvin, Mark and Carl, I want to

1158
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,120
S5: see you right after the service.

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01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,280
S3: Oh, boy. It's not the way you want to get

1160
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S3: a shout out in the sermon.

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S2: Oh that's scary.

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01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,280
S5: It was it was funny. I go back there in

1163
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,710
S5: my mind, and it's still paralyzing with fear.

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S3: I bet you didn't do that one again.

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S5: No. So what is disciple making? Well, listen, disciple making

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01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:45,710
S5: is best seen in second Timothy two one and two.

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S5: You then, my child Paul, writing to Timothy, be strengthened

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01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:54,189
S5: by the grace. Yep. God's favor in his power, that is,

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S5: in Christ Jesus. And what you. So here again see,

1170
01:02:58,190 --> 01:03:02,030
S5: what do we see here? The launching pad for disciple

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01:03:02,070 --> 01:03:05,190
S5: making is the favor and power of God. It's not

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S5: our fancy footwork or our human strength. And what you

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01:03:09,310 --> 01:03:14,190
S5: have heard and seen in me, in the presence of

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01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:19,510
S5: many witnesses, entrust to faithful men and women. Anthropoi. There

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01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:22,709
S5: is a that's the original word. It doesn't just mean men,

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01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:25,990
S5: even though it's translated that way in the ESV. So

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S5: entrust to faithful men and women who will be able

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S5: to teach others also. Now here you got four generations.

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S5: Paul talking. Timothy. He's saying, listen you that you have

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S5: seen in me and trust other people, faithful men and

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S5: faithful men and women, by the way, that's what we're

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01:03:42,780 --> 01:03:46,820
S5: looking for. Faithful, all right, faithful men and women doesn't

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01:03:46,820 --> 01:03:49,860
S5: mean perfected. It means that they're leaning into this apprenticeship

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01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:52,700
S5: with Jesus, and then they will in turn give it away.

1185
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:55,020
S5: So you got Paul, you got Timothy, you got what

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01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:59,500
S5: t the Timothy Initiative calls Titus, and then we've got

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01:03:59,540 --> 01:04:03,980
S5: even masses more. So it's an eye toward multiplication. And boy,

1188
01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:05,340
S5: that's inspiring, isn't it?

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S3: It really is. So coming up, we've got a special

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S3: guest who's going to be joining us. How can we

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01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:13,420
S3: make this practical disciple making? Don't leave it to the

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01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:17,820
S3: church program. Every believer can be in on the action.

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S5: Sounds like you got almost a question mark over your

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01:04:20,580 --> 01:04:23,660
S5: head when you say that. Yeah, that's the goal, guys.

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01:04:23,660 --> 01:04:24,620
S5: Let's get after it.

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S1: Standing on the rock each and every day you're listening

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S1: to Carl and crew.

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S5: One of the greatest forms of healing comes in person,

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S5: on person. Seeing our battles, watching our peace, watching our joys,

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,120
S5: our struggles, our prayers. It's person to person, and it's

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01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:49,240
S5: what Jesus prescribed. Go make disciples. Baptizing them, baptizing disciples.

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S5: Not not, uh, church attenders. Uh, not even babies. Get

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,520
S5: into that one down the road one day. But these

1204
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,800
S5: are people that have declared Jesus Christ is my Lord

1205
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,720
S5: and Savior. They have repented. They have gone a new way.

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01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:08,560
S5: In many cases. Early church, left home, family. They left inheritance.

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01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,000
S5: It cost them a lot. Now here's the danger, um,

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01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,760
S5: because we find the need in the local church today.

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01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,640
S5: And these are good metrics to measure nickels and noses.

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S5: We often mention that. And by the way, it's biblical, right, Allie?

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01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:23,440
S3: Absolutely.

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S5: It's right there in the word. Uh, there's a need

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01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:30,110
S5: to measure that. The danger is when those measurements supersede

1214
01:05:30,110 --> 01:05:33,510
S5: and go above and beyond the measurement of are we

1215
01:05:33,550 --> 01:05:37,830
S5: making disciples? Or are we just gathering a crowd that

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01:05:37,870 --> 01:05:41,590
S5: walks away from week to week, somewhat inspired and even

1217
01:05:41,590 --> 01:05:44,830
S5: small groups doesn't ensure disciple making? We've got a great

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S5: man with us here Eric Redman, Doctor Eric Redman. It's

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S5: one of the profs here at Moody. And, uh, what

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01:05:50,750 --> 01:05:53,550
S5: do you say, doc? This is this is a tough one.

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S5: It's it feels like nickels and noses edges out the

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S5: measurement of disciple making. It's a common challenge.

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S15: I absolutely agree that so many times we put emphasis

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01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:06,710
S15: on numbers of baptisms or numbers of people that are

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01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:08,910
S15: in our Sunday schools or our Bible studies. But if

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S15: we took all the numbers of the people in our

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S15: churches and we showed them how to live a life

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S15: before Christ and how to have their lives conformed to

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01:06:17,110 --> 01:06:19,590
S15: the image of Christ, and then help them to see

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S15: how to pass that on. We would make an impact

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S15: across the city and across the world like never before.

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S3: Doctor Eric Redman, our guest this morning, a professor here

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S3: at Moody Bible Institute, also the executive director of Moody's

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01:06:33,340 --> 01:06:38,660
S3: Center for Compelling Biblical Preaching. So when people think of discipleship,

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01:06:38,660 --> 01:06:42,380
S3: their mind usually goes to a program or a curriculum,

1236
01:06:42,380 --> 01:06:46,660
S3: something that their church offers. This has been pretty hard

1237
01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:49,500
S3: wired into us. I mean, how do we get out

1238
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S3: of that mode?

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S15: I think when we look at the Gospels, we see

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01:06:52,420 --> 01:06:55,100
S15: something very different than a program, because there were no

1241
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:59,220
S15: study guides and books when Jesus first started making disciples. Instead,

1242
01:06:59,220 --> 01:07:02,180
S15: he stuck to disciples on his hip and said, follow me.

1243
01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:04,540
S15: And as they were following, they saw what it looked

1244
01:07:04,540 --> 01:07:07,860
S15: like to be like Jesus and to make fishers of men.

1245
01:07:07,860 --> 01:07:10,260
S15: And oddly enough, one of the first things they saw

1246
01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:13,780
S15: was him walking to a synagogue, the place of religion,

1247
01:07:13,780 --> 01:07:16,260
S15: and cast a demon out of somebody. And it's like,

1248
01:07:16,260 --> 01:07:18,300
S15: is this what it means to make fishers of men?

1249
01:07:18,340 --> 01:07:19,900
S15: Is that what we're going to do? Did we sign

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01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:22,180
S15: up for this? You absolutely signed up for that.

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S5: Yeah, Uh, it's, you know, it's fascinating. If you look

1252
01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:29,010
S5: at second Timothy two, we've been citing this this morning.

1253
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S5: This is a fourth generation passage. And let me just

1254
01:07:32,810 --> 01:07:35,770
S5: read it and pick it up in verse two. Paul's

1255
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S5: telling Timothy, and what you have heard from me, in

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S5: the presence of many witnesses, entrust to faithful men and

1257
01:07:41,810 --> 01:07:45,610
S5: women who will be able to teach others also. So

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01:07:45,610 --> 01:07:48,290
S5: you got Paul telling Timothy, entrust faithful men and women

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S5: who will be able to teach others also. There's an assumption,

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S5: and I saw this recently in Kenya, where they've got

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01:07:54,850 --> 01:07:57,210
S5: a blank slate to reach an unreached people groups, and

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01:07:57,210 --> 01:08:01,090
S5: they're coming in with discipleship as the model for doing church.

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01:08:01,410 --> 01:08:06,650
S5: There's an assumption here that's not the assumption. In local

1264
01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:10,850
S5: Western churches we have an assumption. Let's go to church.

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01:08:10,970 --> 01:08:14,730
S5: This is a be the church model. How do we

1266
01:08:14,730 --> 01:08:19,090
S5: break that mold so that we can really start afresh?

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S15: Well, part of the assumption is that what we're doing

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S15: will always be here, that there's nothing that's going to

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01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:28,110
S15: interrupt us, that the pews that we sit in are

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01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:30,430
S15: always going to be here, and they're always going to

1271
01:08:30,430 --> 01:08:33,630
S15: be people welcoming when that's not true. If we're not intentional,

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01:08:33,630 --> 01:08:35,990
S15: what we need to be thinking is what will it

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S15: take for there to be a faithful witness from this

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01:08:39,310 --> 01:08:43,870
S15: congregation and from these people? Two and three generations. Now

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01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:47,750
S15: that takes intentionality on the part of everyone. And so

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01:08:47,750 --> 01:08:49,790
S15: if every person is thinking, I need to be an

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01:08:49,790 --> 01:08:54,030
S15: intentional part of making it so that my grandchildren will

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01:08:54,030 --> 01:08:57,309
S15: have a gospel centered place to be, then that will

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S15: change how we look at making disciples.

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S3: Doctor Eric Redman, our guest right now. Coming up, how

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01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:05,870
S3: do we start to prepare? Maybe you don't see yourself

1282
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:08,430
S3: as a disciple maker. If you are a follower of

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01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:12,349
S3: Jesus Christ, you are. I am. How can we prepare?

1284
01:09:12,350 --> 01:09:13,550
S3: Practically coming up.

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S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

1286
01:09:18,110 --> 01:09:18,710
S1: and crew.

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S3: Doctor Eric Redman, our guest this morning. We're talking about

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01:09:21,420 --> 01:09:25,500
S3: disciple making. We think often about a program or a

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01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:28,620
S3: track or a small group. But do you think of

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S3: yourself as a disciple maker, Doctor Redman? We should. Right?

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01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:36,820
S15: We should think of ourselves as disciple makers. And a

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01:09:36,820 --> 01:09:40,060
S15: practical way to do this, to move away from programs,

1293
01:09:40,060 --> 01:09:43,099
S15: is to take the relationships that we already have in

1294
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:47,059
S15: our congregations and go one step further and do something

1295
01:09:47,060 --> 01:09:49,179
S15: like this. Say, hey, would you like to come over,

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01:09:49,220 --> 01:09:52,460
S15: or can we go out for coffee so that people

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01:09:52,460 --> 01:09:56,300
S15: can see what we have called life on life, and

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01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:59,860
S15: we can begin to get beyond we're just forming people

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01:09:59,860 --> 01:10:03,780
S15: to do the spiritual disciplines. We're actually showing them how

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01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:06,660
S15: to live Christianity out in every aspect. So we just

1301
01:10:06,660 --> 01:10:09,900
S15: go one step further from small group and say, let's

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01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:12,740
S15: go out sometime and be intentional about doing this, where

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01:10:12,740 --> 01:10:15,540
S15: we can have real discussions of how Christianity works in

1304
01:10:15,540 --> 01:10:18,379
S15: your work, in your neighborhood, in your home, in your life.

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01:10:18,420 --> 01:10:21,090
S5: Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I was mentored by a

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01:10:21,090 --> 01:10:25,010
S5: guy named Robert Lewis, and he was really part of

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01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:28,130
S5: a movement that led to some of the a megachurch,

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01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:30,809
S5: but was broken down. In fact, the claim to fame

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01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:34,610
S5: was that we had, oh, 85 to 90% of weekend

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01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:37,850
S5: attenders of many thousands of people that were in small groups.

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S5: But I had an honest interaction with Robert many times.

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01:10:41,530 --> 01:10:44,689
S5: But one was, you know, what's happening in those groups,

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01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:46,970
S5: what's really going on, right? I mean, let's just break

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01:10:46,970 --> 01:10:49,370
S5: it down, guys. I mean, just because you're in a

1315
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:52,130
S5: small group doesn't mean you're growing in Jesus. And he

1316
01:10:52,130 --> 01:10:54,290
S5: got so passionate about what you were just saying that

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01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:57,130
S5: he developed what was called 1 to 1, and it

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01:10:57,130 --> 01:11:01,050
S5: became a, uh, a working document that turned into a

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01:11:01,050 --> 01:11:04,570
S5: booklet that wound up selling gazillions, many millions. In fact,

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01:11:04,570 --> 01:11:07,530
S5: I just looked it's still out there somewhere. And and

1321
01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:12,330
S5: it became this incredible tool for people to invest in

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01:11:12,330 --> 01:11:17,290
S5: other people very practically and powerfully. We've got to get there,

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01:11:17,290 --> 01:11:18,070
S5: don't we?

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01:11:18,110 --> 01:11:21,030
S15: We do. It's similar to what I tell the students

1325
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:23,950
S15: here at Moody Bible Institute and at the seminary. It's

1326
01:11:23,950 --> 01:11:27,950
S15: great that you get from we who your professors, all

1327
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:30,950
S15: the deep theology and exegesis and practical ministry and things

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S15: in the classroom. But what you remember most is when

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S15: we sit down with you in the cafeteria or open

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S15: our offices up, and we have conversations about the things

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S15: that are most important to you. For my undergraduate students,

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01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:44,830
S15: they want to know how to relate to a parent

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S15: back home that they're having struggles with. And I sit

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S15: down and talk to them about how Christ matters in

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S15: this relationship, and what it will look like for them

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S15: to show respect to this parent, their parents. That's what

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S15: they remember, even if it was never taught in a classroom.

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S15: And we need to do something very similar in our congregations.

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S3: You know, it's interesting because there's something about carrying some

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01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:10,830
S3: ministry weight that sharpens you. You know, if somebody tells

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S3: you that you're going to be the one to have

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S3: to lead small group that week, or that you're going

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S3: to have to fill in for some role. You you're

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01:12:18,420 --> 01:12:21,820
S3: you do different like your preparation. That week is different.

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S3: I mean how much of kind of what can contribute

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S3: to sort of the apathy, the atrophy, if you will,

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S3: that happens within the American churches that we simply don't

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S3: take up our cross and carry some weight.

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S15: We need to raise the bar is what you're you're

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S15: saying we make it simple for people to come in

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S15: and the whole cups of coffee to drop children off

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S15: in the nursery and then just say, do something for me,

1353
01:12:46,220 --> 01:12:49,500
S15: rather than being involved in the things that will force

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01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:53,460
S15: us to go deeper into what it means to have

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S15: Jesus form us in all areas of life. So like

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S15: you said, when we get called on and we have

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S15: to be the one to present or the one to lead,

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01:13:02,460 --> 01:13:05,259
S15: then then we start going to another level and wonder,

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01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:09,139
S15: why didn't someone show me all this before? So we

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01:13:09,140 --> 01:13:13,460
S15: need to raise the bar and challenge people, and then

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S15: we move on a road to get away from programs

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S15: and make disciples.

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S5: You know, this is a need. And I'll tell you,

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S5: you can prove this from brain science. I mean, we've

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01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:25,650
S5: got all kinds of depression numbers. I mean, here we are,

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S5: the most medicated country on the planet. I'm talking America,

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S5: and we're the sickest with regard to emotional health. And

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S5: a lot of this has to do with isolation. The

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S5: interesting thing about the gospel done rightly, is it puts

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S5: you in relationship again. Second Timothy two and what you

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S5: have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses.

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S5: Come back again next week and get some more. And then,

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S5: then next week and get some more. And then next

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S5: week I'm reading right here and then next week. And

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S5: just keep getting. No, it doesn't say that. It doesn't

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01:14:02,130 --> 01:14:05,290
S5: say that. It says in what you have heard from me,

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S5: in the presence of many witnesses, entrust to faithful men

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S5: and women who will be able to teach others also.

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S5: I'm wondering how much of the modern maladies of Western culture,

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S5: of isolation and stuff. If we really adopted a biblical

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S5: model of discipleship, which is people investing in people who

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S5: invest in people, and I'm not talking everyone being an evangelist,

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01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,720
S5: but everyone being a witness and being a part of

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S5: the body where we're helping new followers grow up and

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S5: we're introducing, introducing, we're all being witnesses of what God's

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S5: done in us. This this brings some health to the

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S5: body of Christ. Derek.

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S15: It would bring health to many people. As you said,

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S15: part of the isolation that we experience comes from our

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S15: regular routine of going and sitting and watching and even

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S15: being part of a small group, but leaving small group

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01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,519
S15: and feeling as if no one really knows us or

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S15: we couldn't reveal all that was there. And what we

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01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,559
S15: need is someone to say, hey, I've been been there. Here,

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S15: let me tell you what Jesus did in my my

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01:15:12,060 --> 01:15:13,780
S15: life and what you need to do here, but it

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S15: means we all are going to have to make sacrifices

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S15: of our time and of our our pride, and reveal

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S15: the things that are most visceral, most important to us

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S15: in life and how Jesus worked in our lives.

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S3: Got a key word for you? I want to give

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S3: you a little bit more information. We mentioned the center

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S3: for Compelling Biblical Preaching. We also have a short article

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01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:39,979
S3: that Doctor Redman has written for today in the word,

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S3: a quick Q and A that dives into this a

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S3: little bit more deeply. Just text center to 800, 555 7898,

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S3: text center to 800 555 7898.

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S5: Yeah, you know it. This I love this discussion. Uh,

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S5: and mainly because the Lord's had me really drilling down

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S5: on this part of the reason we went to Kenya

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S5: and TT is because David Nelms, the founder, Ali Wood,

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S5: came into our radio show. I had met him, I

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S5: had been just. God had used him to really convict

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S5: me and compel me that we got to go make disciples.

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S5: The the challenge here is that we are we're fighting

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S5: a tide of doing church a very, um, I don't

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S5: want again. I don't want to beat up the bride.

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S5: We're we're settling for too little when we have an audience. Uh,

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S5: you know, a preacher audience. Come back next week. We're

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S5: selling so short. Eric, you get the final word here, man.

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S15: Yes. I think that we are right not to beat

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S15: up the bride. I love the way that you. You

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S15: said that. But sometimes the bride does have a little

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S15: smudge on her face, and we need to help her.

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S15: And this is one of those areas, uh, here. If

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S15: everyone could just say, I'm going to go beyond just

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S15: sitting and letting people serve me, and I'm going to

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S15: be intentional about opening my home or spending some extra

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01:17:06,810 --> 01:17:10,759
S15: time after work with a fellow believer we would get

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S15: into deep discipleship.

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S3: Text center to 800 555 7898. For more on this topic,

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S3: just text center to 805 55 7898.

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S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.

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01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,840
S5: When God reaches in and bumps your heart and your

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01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,840
S5: cup a little bit, you want to respond. And so

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S5: I'm going to do that right now. It's, um, it's

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S5: an awesome thing we're talking about. Discipleship in discipleship is

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S5: what the church is called to do, and that is

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01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:52,479
S5: to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, baptizing those

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S5: that are apprentices of Jesus Christ, teaching them to obey

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01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:01,439
S5: everything I've commanded. And part of what gets lost in

1442
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,920
S5: the middle of all of this is that when you

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01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:11,390
S5: have a a, a cultural vibe that doesn't comport with

1444
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:17,710
S5: the inherent aim of any given organization organism. Uh, what

1445
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:21,469
S5: gets lost is the main thing stops being the main thing,

1446
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:25,269
S5: and it can be very perilous. And I think one

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01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:28,070
S5: of the great dangers with the way we do church

1448
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:30,350
S5: in the West and I'm again, I'm not beating it

1449
01:18:30,350 --> 01:18:33,150
S5: up because God is the great thing that we find

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01:18:33,150 --> 01:18:36,229
S5: in Philippians is that the apostle Paul proved by way

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01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:38,630
S5: of the people that were preaching the gospel, so that

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01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:41,030
S5: it would cause harm to Paul, who was imprisoned. He said,

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01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:44,070
S5: at least the gospel's being preached. It just proved God

1454
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:45,830
S5: works in spite of us all the time.

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S3: All the time.

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S5: I mean, so we gotta we gotta remember that we

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S5: and we need to know that God is working mightily

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S5: in church services and weekends all around the globe in

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01:18:58,670 --> 01:19:02,350
S5: so many different contexts, in small churches that meet under

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S5: under trees in any region of the world. And those

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01:19:07,210 --> 01:19:12,129
S5: biggest megachurches. God can work. And he does. And he's good.

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01:19:12,170 --> 01:19:16,930
S5: We got a good father. And oftentimes as a preacher,

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S5: I've seen this happen so many times where someone will

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01:19:19,170 --> 01:19:21,650
S5: come up and they will have heard something by the

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01:19:21,650 --> 01:19:24,170
S5: power of the spirit that I said, that wasn't even

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01:19:24,170 --> 01:19:26,410
S5: a featured element. But boy, that's what they took to

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S5: the bank. And that's the power of the spirit to

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01:19:30,010 --> 01:19:33,010
S5: remind us of truth, that we need custom fit to us.

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01:19:33,010 --> 01:19:36,049
S5: This is why you can hear a radio show and go,

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01:19:36,250 --> 01:19:39,089
S5: oh man, that was the perfect timing for me because

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S5: God can custom fit one conversation and take five different

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01:19:42,850 --> 01:19:45,729
S5: spider legs off of that and go, wow, here's what

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01:19:45,729 --> 01:19:46,210
S5: you need.

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S3: We've all had that happen where there was something that

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01:19:48,729 --> 01:19:52,049
S3: we heard that we know that God had for us

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S3: in that moment.

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S5: Yeah, it's it's so beautiful. But one of the things

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01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:59,610
S5: that has been lost in our culture here, and we

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01:19:59,650 --> 01:20:01,650
S5: spike this often, but we haven't in a while. And

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01:20:01,650 --> 01:20:05,089
S5: I feel prompted by the spirit to share some good

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01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,400
S5: news with you this morning. I don't care how long

1482
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,519
S5: you've been here. Maybe you're new to cast and crew.

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01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,400
S5: Maybe you just stumbled on us this morning. Here's what

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01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,920
S5: I want you to know. God is much more interested

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01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:22,200
S5: in getting into your life than getting you into church.

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01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,160
S5: Now you might say, whoa, Carl, hold it a second. Are.

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S5: You know I'm pro church. The church is the ecclesia,

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01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:34,400
S5: the called out ones. But God is most interested in

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01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:39,320
S5: invading your soul, saving you from your sin and turning

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01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:44,040
S5: you around. And it's been a while since we spiked this.

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S5: But if we go to Matthew seven, we find Jesus saying,

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S5: many will say to me on that day, the day

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01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,040
S5: of judgment, Lord, Lord. And he's going to say, I

1494
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:58,639
S5: never knew you. So having a relationship with Jesus, not

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01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:03,240
S5: knowing about Jesus, not being grafted into a culture of

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S5: what I would call Churchianity. It's been called that many

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01:21:06,670 --> 01:21:10,309
S5: for many years, but really knowing the living God is

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01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:14,189
S5: powerful now. I lived under this delusion, man that I

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01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:18,350
S5: thought I had everything Jesus had for me. Raised in church,

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S5: baptized as a kid in the youth group, memorized Bible verses,

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01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:28,669
S5: walked aisles when I felt convicted. But those were tears

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01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:32,390
S5: of regret, and they never were tears of repentance until

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01:21:32,590 --> 01:21:34,470
S5: a number of years later, when I was in my

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S5: young 20s and I'm driving down a road in Anchorage, Alaska. Now,

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01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:42,790
S5: you got to understand, I was a raging cocaine addict

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01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:45,830
S5: at this point, and I went there quick. Man, it's

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01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:50,070
S5: amazing how true Pascal's words are that we will look

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01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:53,110
S5: for something to fill that God shaped void, but only

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01:21:53,150 --> 01:21:55,189
S5: God can fill it up and we all do it.

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01:21:55,670 --> 01:21:57,710
S5: And a great danger I want to give you right now,

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01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:59,790
S5: is that you might listen to my story right there

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01:21:59,790 --> 01:22:03,410
S5: and go, oh, yeah, you're one of those drugs. Jesus, guys. Yeah.

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01:22:03,410 --> 01:22:05,410
S5: I don't know what your drug of choice is, if

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01:22:05,410 --> 01:22:08,689
S5: it's gossip or climbing a corporate ladder, or if it's

1515
01:22:08,850 --> 01:22:12,290
S5: being seen as something that you know you really aren't.

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01:22:12,330 --> 01:22:15,370
S5: The drug of choice is different for everyone, but everyone's

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01:22:15,370 --> 01:22:18,290
S5: trying to fill that God shaped void. Fair enough, guys,

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01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:18,769
S5: fair enough.

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S2: 100%. We've all got things that that we do to

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01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:25,530
S2: try to fill the space and and that's what drugs are.

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01:22:25,570 --> 01:22:28,050
S2: So if we're talking about that, we're all drugs to

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01:22:28,090 --> 01:22:31,890
S2: Jesus because everyone has something that that we're trying to

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01:22:31,890 --> 01:22:33,730
S2: fill our life with that doesn't fulfill.

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S5: Pick your drug. Any drug. You know, it's. And that's

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01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:41,210
S5: really what we find in first Thessalonians. Uh, we find

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01:22:41,210 --> 01:22:45,610
S5: that man. They renounce these idols and turn to God.

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01:22:45,850 --> 01:22:49,170
S5: And it's this whole turning aspect that we've missed. So

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01:22:49,170 --> 01:22:52,650
S5: I just want to briefly hit an overview of sometimes

1529
01:22:52,650 --> 01:22:56,689
S5: how you can think you know, Jesus, but don't you

1530
01:22:56,689 --> 01:23:00,689
S5: can say, I believe in Jesus great demons, according to

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01:23:00,729 --> 01:23:05,479
S5: the Book of James, believed their monotheistic. They believe in

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01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:09,759
S5: one true God. They do. They believe that Jesus is

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01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,920
S5: going to come again, that their doom is certain. They

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01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:19,040
S5: they know these things to be true. But are they

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01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:25,560
S5: disciples of Christ? No. They're antagonistic. They're enemies of the cross.

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01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:33,320
S5: We are born as enemies of the cross. Only when

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01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:38,080
S5: we believe in Jesus, a belief that captures our soul

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01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,280
S5: and changes the direction of our life. Do we? Are

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01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,320
S5: we even called children of God? To them who believed

1540
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,240
S5: he gave the right to be called children of God?

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01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,360
S5: It is a right that's foisted on us by God

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01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:49,040
S5: and Him alone.

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S2: Yeah, I mean, that was my category of life. I,

1544
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:57,400
S2: I believed in Jesus, but I my life patterns showed

1545
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:02,349
S2: active rebellion against him. The life I lived, at least

1546
01:24:02,350 --> 01:24:06,590
S2: when I wasn't inside of a church or near Christian friends, was,

1547
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:10,150
S2: you know, this this this kid is, is making decisions

1548
01:24:10,150 --> 01:24:12,790
S2: that are actively against God. I was still an enemy

1549
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:15,870
S2: of the cross, even though I believed that Jesus existed

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01:24:15,870 --> 01:24:16,830
S2: and I genuinely did.

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S5: And you know you best. Don't we know ourselves best?

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01:24:19,870 --> 01:24:20,710
S2: 100%.

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S5: We we know us. We know our motivations, why we

1554
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:27,229
S5: do what we do. And so this has the potential

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01:24:27,229 --> 01:24:29,389
S5: to be a holy moment between you and God. But

1556
01:24:29,390 --> 01:24:34,309
S5: some of you are wondering, why isn't Christianity working for me? Well,

1557
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:37,750
S5: it may be that you've never been found in Christ Jesus.

1558
01:24:37,790 --> 01:24:39,830
S5: Now this is hard to hear, but that's what we

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01:24:39,870 --> 01:24:42,630
S5: find in Matthew seven. Many will say to me on

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01:24:42,670 --> 01:24:44,550
S5: that day, Lord, Lord, and this is what they're going

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01:24:44,590 --> 01:24:48,110
S5: to appeal. They're going to go, hey, I preached in

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01:24:48,110 --> 01:24:50,309
S5: your name. I cast out demons in your name and

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01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:53,550
S5: did mighty works in your name. And he's going to say,

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01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:58,540
S5: I never knew you. It is. Who? This is hard

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01:24:58,540 --> 01:25:03,860
S5: to hear. You can be very active spiritually and far

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01:25:03,939 --> 01:25:09,900
S5: from a relationship with Jesus Christ. Boom! That's a tough

1567
01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:11,620
S5: one to digest, isn't it, Ali?

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S3: It is because a lot of times we can think

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01:25:14,979 --> 01:25:17,620
S3: that our spiritual activity, we can have it have the

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S3: motivation that we're trying to prove something or earn our

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01:25:21,740 --> 01:25:22,620
S3: way to God.

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01:25:24,260 --> 01:25:27,979
S5: Yeah. And it can be so subtle. And this is

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01:25:27,979 --> 01:25:31,740
S5: why a quiet moment like right now where you're going, man,

1574
01:25:31,780 --> 01:25:35,100
S5: do I really know Jesus personally? And I think the

1575
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:39,220
S5: greatest indication is, has God birthed within your heart a

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01:25:39,220 --> 01:25:41,420
S5: desire that when you put your feet on the floor

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01:25:41,420 --> 01:25:44,099
S5: in the morning, I'm a disciple of Christ. He has

1578
01:25:44,100 --> 01:25:47,660
S5: saved my soul. There have been chains of liberty that

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01:25:47,660 --> 01:25:51,059
S5: have fallen to the ground because I once was dead.

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01:25:51,060 --> 01:25:54,740
S5: But now I'm alive in Christ Jesus. I'm a new creation.

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01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:58,360
S5: I've been crucified with Christ. It's no longer I who live,

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01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,320
S5: but Christ who lives in me. If that's not a living,

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01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,679
S5: breathing reality for you, it could be that you are

1584
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,920
S5: spiritually active in some way, but you've never become spiritually

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01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:14,720
S5: alive in any way. That's hard. But I love you

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01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,480
S5: enough to tell you the truth. You. God brought you

1587
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:23,280
S5: here today to hear this. So the question is, well,

1588
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,639
S5: what in the world is it, Carl? I've been baptized,

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S5: but I can't honestly say I have a hunger for

1590
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:34,479
S5: the word or I. I'm a disciple of Christ, and I've. I'm.

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01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,720
S5: If I'm really honest with myself, I don't know that

1592
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,519
S5: I've ever experienced the fellowship of a relationship with Christ.

1593
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,120
S5: He's been kind of ethereal, and it's been kind of

1594
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,240
S5: he's out there and he wants to be in here.

1595
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,439
S5: I died, and my life is now hidden with Christ

1596
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:57,470
S5: in God When Christ, who is your life, appears, you

1597
01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:59,990
S5: also will appear with him in glory. What a promise.

1598
01:27:01,270 --> 01:27:04,309
S5: It's an amazing thing that God wants to do. But

1599
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:06,870
S5: right now, by the power of the Holy Spirit, he

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01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:10,669
S5: can be pulling down these veils of darkness and looking

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01:27:10,670 --> 01:27:15,670
S5: behind all the rigging of your soul and looking deep inside, saying.

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01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:22,950
S5: You don't know me and I don't know you, but

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01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:28,269
S5: I want to. So the question is how? And we

1604
01:27:28,270 --> 01:27:30,470
S5: can go so many places in Scripture, we can go

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01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:32,910
S5: to the gospel of Mark, the first gospel written, and

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01:27:32,910 --> 01:27:36,030
S5: see that Jesus sent the disciples out. And this was

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01:27:36,030 --> 01:27:39,750
S5: the gospel. The gospel was the gospel of repentance. It's

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01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:44,429
S5: a changing of minds, metanoia. It's a changing of mind

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01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:47,790
S5: changing of direction. And even that is brought to us

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01:27:47,790 --> 01:27:50,349
S5: by the unction of the Holy Spirit. What's great is

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01:27:50,590 --> 01:27:52,910
S5: you don't choose God, he chooses you. And for some

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01:27:52,910 --> 01:27:56,420
S5: of you right now, You you you know that God

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01:27:56,420 --> 01:27:59,179
S5: is cutting through the fog and reaching into your heart

1614
01:27:59,180 --> 01:28:02,700
S5: this morning. You've you're attentive right now, and this is

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01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:06,059
S5: what we find. It almost makes me cry for you,

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01:28:06,060 --> 01:28:10,620
S5: because I'm overjoyed that God's going to reach you today,

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01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:13,099
S5: and then you're going to be part of a team

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01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:16,979
S5: of disciples that now reaches others because of the life

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01:28:16,979 --> 01:28:19,260
S5: you live and the witness that you have. But this

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01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:24,380
S5: is how it happens. Thomas said to him, Lord, we

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01:28:24,380 --> 01:28:27,140
S5: don't know where you're going. It's found in John 14.

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01:28:27,140 --> 01:28:29,860
S5: Jesus has said, I'm going to prepare a place for you.

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01:28:29,860 --> 01:28:32,420
S5: And Thomas was the one guy who spoke up and said,

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01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:34,620
S5: Because Jesus said, you know where I'm going. He goes, hey,

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01:28:34,660 --> 01:28:38,500
S5: time out. No we don't. What's going on here? And

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01:28:38,500 --> 01:28:44,139
S5: he said these words, I am the way and the

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01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:48,500
S5: truth and the life. No one comes through the to

1628
01:28:48,540 --> 01:28:56,050
S5: the father except through me. You know when Jesus says,

1629
01:28:56,050 --> 01:28:58,530
S5: I am the way, you know what's implied there? You're

1630
01:28:58,530 --> 01:29:01,570
S5: going your own way and you got to turn around.

1631
01:29:01,570 --> 01:29:05,769
S5: That's that repentance piece where you say, I'm whoa, I'm,

1632
01:29:05,810 --> 01:29:09,809
S5: I'm I'm going a new way today. And I want

1633
01:29:09,850 --> 01:29:11,849
S5: to ask you if you've been on a broad path

1634
01:29:11,850 --> 01:29:14,809
S5: that you know, now, because of the illuminating power of

1635
01:29:14,810 --> 01:29:19,530
S5: the Holy Spirit leads to destruction. You've been maybe religiously active.

1636
01:29:19,530 --> 01:29:23,570
S5: Maybe not at all. But you want a relationship with Jesus.

1637
01:29:23,570 --> 01:29:25,210
S5: He says, I am the way. Will you turn and

1638
01:29:25,210 --> 01:29:29,650
S5: go his way today? Will you do that, friend? He says,

1639
01:29:29,650 --> 01:29:33,210
S5: I am the way and the truth. It's an awesome thing.

1640
01:29:33,210 --> 01:29:35,969
S5: When you face the truth, the truth will set you free.

1641
01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:38,290
S5: And what is the truth? The truth is we're sinners

1642
01:29:38,290 --> 01:29:41,970
S5: who need a Savior. And his name is Jesus. It's powerful.

1643
01:29:44,210 --> 01:29:46,370
S5: And then he makes this great promise. I am the

1644
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:50,250
S5: way and the truth and the life. And the word.

1645
01:29:50,250 --> 01:29:52,990
S5: There is more than bias in the original word. It's

1646
01:29:52,990 --> 01:29:55,710
S5: not that you have breath you're breathing right now, but

1647
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:58,590
S5: it's that there's a quality of life. Zoe, that's going

1648
01:29:58,630 --> 01:30:01,870
S5: to well up with joy in your heart. And I

1649
01:30:02,030 --> 01:30:04,349
S5: it's happening for some of you right now because there's

1650
01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:08,509
S5: no fancy prayer to pray. It's a it's a mind,

1651
01:30:08,550 --> 01:30:11,150
S5: a heart and a soul that says, Jesus, I've been

1652
01:30:11,150 --> 01:30:13,070
S5: going my own way. And today I turn and I

1653
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:16,110
S5: surrender all I am and I turn and follow you. Jesus,

1654
01:30:16,110 --> 01:30:20,189
S5: you're my leader now. Count the cost before you do it.

1655
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:23,429
S5: It means that you're coming with open hands. It's taking

1656
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:26,830
S5: the life that you've built, the life that you haven't built,

1657
01:30:27,630 --> 01:30:31,030
S5: relationships you have, the relationships you don't have. And it's

1658
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:34,509
S5: turning and saying. With open hands and a bowed heart

1659
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:36,870
S5: I lift these up to you and I say, here

1660
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:41,030
S5: you take over my life. It's saying, I embrace the

1661
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:43,269
S5: truth today that I'm a sinner who needs a Savior.

1662
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:46,990
S5: And I'm so glad Jesus died for me. It's a

1663
01:30:46,990 --> 01:30:51,660
S5: beautiful thing. These things happen simultaneously, and it's this great

1664
01:30:51,660 --> 01:30:54,179
S5: work of the Holy Spirit. But if you are agreeing

1665
01:30:54,180 --> 01:30:57,099
S5: with God today that I'm a sinner who needs a Savior,

1666
01:30:57,100 --> 01:31:00,340
S5: Carl and I've been going my own way, you might

1667
01:31:00,380 --> 01:31:02,460
S5: have been in church for years. You could have been

1668
01:31:03,460 --> 01:31:05,580
S5: holding a high office. You could be an elder. The

1669
01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:07,500
S5: truth is, you can be a pastor and not be

1670
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:10,979
S5: born again in this culture today. But God wants you

1671
01:31:10,979 --> 01:31:14,660
S5: born again, born from above. He wants you to save

1672
01:31:14,660 --> 01:31:18,380
S5: your soul. And take it from me, a church going

1673
01:31:18,420 --> 01:31:25,820
S5: crazy man who found that I didn't know Jesus. He

1674
01:31:25,820 --> 01:31:30,580
S5: didn't know me. But on that day, February 11th, cold

1675
01:31:30,580 --> 01:31:33,300
S5: winter day in Alaska, when Jesus said, are you done yet?

1676
01:31:33,340 --> 01:31:35,900
S5: Now open my heart to him. In an instant everything

1677
01:31:35,900 --> 01:31:38,700
S5: was changed and he wants to do that for you

1678
01:31:38,700 --> 01:31:41,660
S5: right now. And father, I thank you that you're at

1679
01:31:41,660 --> 01:31:47,420
S5: work in souls right now, all across America, Canada and beyond.

1680
01:31:47,420 --> 01:31:49,450
S5: Oh Lord, I thank you and I give you praise

1681
01:31:49,450 --> 01:31:52,050
S5: this morning for the work of your spirit that you

1682
01:31:52,050 --> 01:31:54,290
S5: do in people's lives. I thank you that it's not

1683
01:31:54,290 --> 01:31:56,250
S5: up to us to get the words right. We just

1684
01:31:56,250 --> 01:31:59,210
S5: carry the message and Lord, we've done the best job

1685
01:31:59,210 --> 01:32:02,930
S5: we could to explain clearly to our friend just what

1686
01:32:02,930 --> 01:32:05,089
S5: you want to do, and I give you praise for it.

1687
01:32:06,650 --> 01:32:09,330
S5: In the name of Jesus I pray. Amen. We want

1688
01:32:09,370 --> 01:32:12,650
S5: to want to help you. If today is a day

1689
01:32:12,650 --> 01:32:15,570
S5: when you are saying in your heart, in your mind,

1690
01:32:15,570 --> 01:32:19,410
S5: with your soul, with every fiber of your being, Carl,

1691
01:32:19,410 --> 01:32:22,849
S5: I do. I acknowledge the truth. I'm a sinner and

1692
01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:26,729
S5: I need a Savior. I, I have counted the cost.

1693
01:32:26,729 --> 01:32:29,370
S5: And I'm turning to Jesus from this broad path that

1694
01:32:29,410 --> 01:32:33,010
S5: leads to destruction. I'm surrendering all I am to Jesus.

1695
01:32:33,010 --> 01:32:35,729
S5: Today we want to help you in your first steps

1696
01:32:35,729 --> 01:32:38,330
S5: with Jesus. We want to help you and Ali. I

1697
01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:40,490
S5: want you to explain what we're doing with this link.

1698
01:32:40,490 --> 01:32:42,370
S5: And then folks are going to be grabbing it from

1699
01:32:42,370 --> 01:32:43,530
S5: all over the world today.

1700
01:32:43,570 --> 01:32:45,130
S3: Yeah, we want to send you something that's going to

1701
01:32:45,130 --> 01:32:47,960
S3: give you just some practical next steps and an opportunity

1702
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,559
S3: to get a follow up from someone on our team

1703
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:54,080
S3: here at Moody Radio who's close to where you live.

1704
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:57,200
S3: Just text new. If today you are turning, you are

1705
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:06,400
S3: following Jesus Christ. Today. Text new to 800 555 7898. New. New.

1706
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:12,400
S3: Just that one word. New to 800 555 7898.

1707
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:17,840
S5: Yeah. And this great confidence that we have is what

1708
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,880
S5: my dad and you can steal my dad's favorite verse,

1709
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,360
S5: one of his Philippians one six. And he who began

1710
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,800
S5: this work in you will carry it on to completion

1711
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,040
S5: until the day of Christ Jesus. You're in the hands

1712
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,080
S5: of a loving God who is reaching in right now

1713
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,240
S5: and grabbing a hold of your soul, and he's putting

1714
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,920
S5: you on a brand new path, a brand new journey.

1715
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,960
S5: And wherever you are, I'm just asking right now, don't

1716
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,920
S5: let pride hold you back from what God has for you.

1717
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:47,820
S5: Please don't let pride hold you back. If today is

1718
01:33:47,820 --> 01:33:50,900
S5: the day of salvation, just agree with God and say,

1719
01:33:50,900 --> 01:33:53,820
S5: today I surrender all I am to him. I come

1720
01:33:53,860 --> 01:33:56,059
S5: a new way. I lift my hands high before my

1721
01:33:56,060 --> 01:33:58,780
S5: God and I say, you got me. You got everything

1722
01:33:58,780 --> 01:34:02,939
S5: about me. And then just text the word new to

1723
01:34:02,979 --> 01:34:08,179
S5: 805 five, five, 7898. Grab this link and then use it.

1724
01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:14,380
S5: Text new to 800 555 7898. I want to say

1725
01:34:14,380 --> 01:34:17,340
S5: welcome to the family, to you. Those of you that

1726
01:34:17,340 --> 01:34:21,540
S5: are truly surrendering all you are to Jesus today. Welcome

1727
01:34:21,939 --> 01:34:23,580
S5: to the family. I'm going to say it one more

1728
01:34:23,580 --> 01:34:26,300
S5: time because there's some of you who've never texted anything

1729
01:34:26,340 --> 01:34:29,820
S5: to anyone, any show, wherever you've been. But we want

1730
01:34:29,860 --> 01:34:33,500
S5: to help you with this link. Text new to 800

1731
01:34:33,740 --> 01:34:38,820
S5: 555 7898. And coming up here, we'll read out the

1732
01:34:38,820 --> 01:34:41,179
S5: last four numbers of your telephone number, just so that

1733
01:34:41,180 --> 01:34:44,620
S5: you know that we see what God's doing in your life.