WEBVTT - Hour 2: Weekend Bible Study 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.280 Hello, friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:17.600 Line with Doctor Michael. Right. Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.400 We're talking about your questions about the Bible, God and 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.599 the spiritual life. My name is Michael Melnick, and we're 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.720 live sitting around the radio kitchen table taking your questions. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.480 So give me a call. The phone number, about half 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.880 our lines are open always at the beginning of an hour, 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:36.559 so now's a great time to get through. If you 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:44.159 have a question, the phone number (877) 548-3675. If you can't call, 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.320 just go to our website open Line radio.org. There's a 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.480 link there that says Ask Michael a question. You can 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.120 click on that. And uh, you can post your question there. 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.880 Trish will put it in the mailbag. Uh, if you 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:58.880 have a second cup of coffee, we're almost ready to 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.200 go I hope so. Hope you have your Bible still 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.480 open because we're going to go right to the scriptures. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.280 We're going to talk to Leola in Florida, listening on 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.680 the Moody Radio app. Welcome to Open Line. Leola. How 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.720 can I help you today? 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.000 Hi. Thank you so much. Um, I have a question 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.959 about Psalms 119. It's like a general question. Um, he's 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.200 asking God to teach him and help him learn. But 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:27.399 in some of the verses, uh, say Psalm one 1987, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.520 he says, they almost destroyed me on earth. But as 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.840 for me, I did not forsake your precepts. And one 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:36.640 more I'll give you 1 or 2. I have not 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.320 turned aside from your ordinances, for you yourself have taught me. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:45.240 Is he saying that he doesn't mess up? Is this 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:45.839 a promise? 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.199 What do you think, Leola? 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.720 I think he goes back and forth like he does 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.000 every time I read those verses. I feel guilty and 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.240 that I shouldn't read them because it's not me. I 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:57.880 mess up. 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.320 Well, yeah, but what do you think? Doesn't he? Doesn't 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.240 the psalmist say he messes up, too? 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.240 Yeah, but then he says he doesn't know. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.760 He doesn't say he doesn't mess up. He says, uh, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.959 that I keep your commandments. I think what he's saying 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.280 is a general statement that he is doing his best 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:22.960 to obey, that he is, uh uh, I mean, if 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.680 I asked you, uh, do you seek to obey and 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.120 do you mostly obey God's commandments? 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:31.720 Yes. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.920 And I'm not asking. Uh. You try. Right. Do you 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:36.640 ever mess up? 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:38.239 Yes. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.720 Okay, there we go. Same as the psalmist, you know. 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:43.680 Okay. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.760 Uh, it's it's his passion to obey God's word, but. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:49.240 Right. 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.919 Uh, I'm sure he. You know, I read all these 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:59.000 verses in the book of Psalms about even in Psalm 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.000 119 about being forgiven. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:02.440 Uh, right. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.960 So, uh, I don't think it's the psalmist is saying 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:16.400 I'm perfect. Uh, but but, uh, you know, he's he's actually, uh, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.960 he's thanking God. Your word is a lamp for my feet, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.120 a light to my path. Uh, right. I am resolved, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.440 verse 12 112 I am resolved to obey your statutes 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.480 to the very end. I think this is the kind 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.359 of stuff that we want to say. Uh, it also 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:37.080 talks about how, uh, in Psalm, for example, Psalm 130, 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.200 the psalmist says, out of the depths I call to you, Lord, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:47.360 hear my voice. Uh, right, right. And then it says, uh, Lord, 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:52.680 if you considered sins, Lord, who could stand? But there 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.040 is forgiveness with you. There is forgiveness so that you 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.920 may be revered. The psalmist recognizes, and the Book of 0:03:59.920 --> 0:04:04.760 Psalms recognizes that we all mess up, including you, Leela, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.280 including me and including the psalmist. But there is forgiveness 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.680 with God. So. And that's why we're resolved to keep 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.640 his statutes. Okay. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.240 Right. So thank you so much. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.919 Sure. Be like the psalmist, Leela. Be resolved to obey God. Okay. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.800 I will resolve to try. Okay. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.799 By the power of the Holy Spirit. Right? Okay. Thank you. Leela. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.440 Thanks for your call. We're going to talk to Janie 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:38.560 in Hartsville, South Carolina, listening on. Welcome to Open Line. Janie, 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:39.839 how can I help you today? 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.480 Hi, doctor. I thank you so much for taking my call. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.520 It's my pleasure. How can I help? 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.600 Um, I was wondering what your stance is on eternal security. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.000 I believe in eternal security, but I am under a 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.200 pastor right now who believes that you can choose to 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.560 walk away from your faith, um, and deliberate sin and 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.440 continually falling away. Um, I guess just by choosing to 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.920 walk away from your faith. And I don't believe that. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.479 But I know that there's some verses like Hebrews six 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.159 four through six and Hebrews 1026 through 27 and a 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.840 few others. And I was just wondering what, based on 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.400 your study of the Bible, what your stance is on that? 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:32.279 Well, uh, I believe in the security of the believer. Uh, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.600 and it's not because of perseverance of the saints. I 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.920 really believe in the perseverance of the Savior. His his 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.400 grip is a lot better than my grip. Um. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:42.279 Amen. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:48.400 And in John six, one of my favorite passages about 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:53.960 this and and this is the words of Jesus in 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:59.159 John 637, and I'm not telling you to disagree with 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:00.120 your pastor, but. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.720 No, sir, I'm not. I'm just trying to get a 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.120 handle on it myself. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:09.839 Yeah, but I do disagree with your pastor. It says 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.760 everyone the father gives me will come to me. And 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.040 the one who comes to me, I will never cast out. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.080 So what that's saying is, the Lord opens the hearts 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:22.200 of people, and the person who comes to Jesus will 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:28.040 be received by him. Right. And then it says, verse 38, 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.240 I have come down from heaven not to do my will, 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.360 but the will of him who sent me. So the 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.120 Lord Jesus says, I always do the father's will. And 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.560 now look what the father's will is in this case. 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.360 This is the will of him who sent me, that 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.479 I should lose none of those he has given me, 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.000 but should raise them up on the last day. This 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.590 verse is really clear. It's saying that if. If Jesus 0:06:51.589 --> 0:06:54.230 always does the will of the father, the will of 0:06:54.230 --> 0:06:57.390 the father is that he lose not one of us. 0:06:57.950 --> 0:07:03.470 Think about that. Uh, and and I think that that 0:07:03.470 --> 0:07:07.430 is crucial. If Jesus could lose you, or if he 0:07:07.430 --> 0:07:12.510 could lose me, then frankly, he's not who he claimed 0:07:12.510 --> 0:07:14.990 to be because he's not doing the will of the father. 0:07:15.790 --> 0:07:18.870 And so in verses like. 0:07:20.070 --> 0:07:26.870 Let's talk about Hebrews 1026, okay. Is that okay? Is 0:07:26.870 --> 0:07:29.070 that what you're talking about? I lost you there, Jenny. 0:07:31.510 --> 0:07:35.910 Are you there still? You mentioned Hebrews 1026 before. Uh, 0:07:35.910 --> 0:07:40.150 I hope you're still listening, Jenny. It says, uh, if 0:07:40.150 --> 0:07:44.430 we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, 0:07:44.430 --> 0:07:48.150 there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. I believe 0:07:48.150 --> 0:07:52.510 that that's referring to a sin of apostasy. An apostasy 0:07:52.510 --> 0:07:54.590 is this as someone who doesn't know the Lord, who 0:07:54.590 --> 0:08:01.270 gives lip service to believing in Jesus, maybe even think 0:08:01.270 --> 0:08:04.110 they believe in Jesus, but they have not really come 0:08:04.110 --> 0:08:08.190 to a full mind, heart and will faith maybe just 0:08:08.230 --> 0:08:12.630 a head knowledge, maybe just an emotional experience, but not mind, 0:08:12.670 --> 0:08:16.550 heart and will. And then when the going gets rough, 0:08:16.550 --> 0:08:18.910 they say I don't need this and they bail. It's 0:08:18.910 --> 0:08:21.870 not that they lost their salvation. They never had it 0:08:21.870 --> 0:08:25.710 to start with. Uh, when the Lord Jesus sees these 0:08:25.710 --> 0:08:29.350 people in Matthew seven, it says that they'll say, look 0:08:29.350 --> 0:08:31.110 at all the great things we did in your name. 0:08:31.110 --> 0:08:33.990 And he says, depart from me, you workers of iniquity, 0:08:34.190 --> 0:08:38.390 in Matthew seven, I never knew you. And that's the 0:08:38.390 --> 0:08:42.550 kind of apostasy that he's talking about here. People who 0:08:42.710 --> 0:08:44.590 made a show of their faith but didn't have a 0:08:44.590 --> 0:08:48.470 genuine faith, they abandoned it. And then, uh, That's what 0:08:48.510 --> 0:08:51.429 Hebrews 1026 is talking about. I hope that helps you 0:08:51.429 --> 0:08:54.550 a little bit. We're going to talk to Mary Jo 0:08:54.670 --> 0:08:59.069 in Chicago listening on WNBA. Welcome to Open Line, Mary Jo. 0:08:59.350 --> 0:09:00.390 How can I help you? 0:09:01.110 --> 0:09:02.830 Good morning doctor. God bless you. 0:09:03.470 --> 0:09:04.670 Thank you. You too. 0:09:04.710 --> 0:09:08.550 I have. Thank you. I have a question that, um. 0:09:08.590 --> 0:09:12.230 I'm afraid it's probably going to sound silly or trivial, 0:09:12.230 --> 0:09:15.630 but it's something that's, like, perplexed me for a while, 0:09:15.630 --> 0:09:18.309 and I have never heard anyone talk about it. And 0:09:18.350 --> 0:09:21.590 it's about the, you know, the creation story, right? And 0:09:21.630 --> 0:09:24.230 on the second page of the Bible, when it talks 0:09:24.230 --> 0:09:28.310 about how the serpent started a conversation with Eve, and 0:09:28.309 --> 0:09:31.030 it's described in a way that's just like, this was 0:09:31.030 --> 0:09:36.110 an ordinary thing, nothing outrageous, nothing miraculous about an animal talking. 0:09:36.750 --> 0:09:40.069 And and no one has ever discussed that. And it 0:09:40.070 --> 0:09:42.470 sounds so crazy to me. And it makes me wonder 0:09:42.950 --> 0:09:50.070 if before the fall, if mankind and the animals could communicate. 0:09:50.470 --> 0:09:54.150 And if part of the fall was to. Have you 0:09:54.150 --> 0:09:55.630 ever thought about that to begin with? 0:09:55.950 --> 0:10:01.270 Oh, sure. Uh. There are those who want to say 0:10:01.270 --> 0:10:05.590 that before the fall, it was like Doctor Dolittle. And, 0:10:05.630 --> 0:10:07.630 you know, if you could talk to the animals. I 0:10:07.630 --> 0:10:11.030 think that's not true. There's only two places in Scripture 0:10:11.030 --> 0:10:16.670 where animals talk. The other place is in numbers 22. When, uh. 0:10:19.590 --> 0:10:24.110 Balaam's donkey spoke, remember? And it says that God opened 0:10:24.150 --> 0:10:28.030 the mouth of the donkey to speak. And and so 0:10:28.470 --> 0:10:32.670 that was a supernatural event, I think, here in Genesis three. 0:10:32.990 --> 0:10:36.670 It's a supernatural event as well. But it's not. Obviously, 0:10:36.670 --> 0:10:41.189 it's not God opening the mouth of the serpent because, uh, 0:10:43.030 --> 0:10:47.829 God wouldn't encourage Eve to rebel. Who would? It's the enemy. 0:10:47.830 --> 0:10:52.349 In revelation 12 it says, the serpent of old, the devil, Satan. 0:10:52.390 --> 0:10:56.590 It defines him that way. So, uh, this is a 0:10:56.950 --> 0:11:02.270 passage where it never mentions Satan here in Genesis three, 0:11:02.550 --> 0:11:06.550 but it's the enemy who opens the mouth of the 0:11:06.550 --> 0:11:10.150 serpent supernaturally to speak to the woman. You say, well, 0:11:10.150 --> 0:11:12.830 she's not surprised. Well, we don't know that the Bible 0:11:12.830 --> 0:11:16.510 doesn't address it. Uh, when the Bible gives a narrative, 0:11:16.510 --> 0:11:21.910 it doesn't give everything that happened. It's not a videotape 0:11:21.910 --> 0:11:24.069 of the event so that we can say, oh, this 0:11:24.070 --> 0:11:26.910 is a video recording, and now we can see exactly 0:11:26.910 --> 0:11:29.990 what happened, what it is. It's giving us the data 0:11:29.990 --> 0:11:32.990 that we need for us to understand it. And it 0:11:32.990 --> 0:11:35.750 seems to me that it's saying, hey, look, the enemy, 0:11:35.950 --> 0:11:39.270 because it's obviously the enemy, a supernatural enemy opened the 0:11:39.270 --> 0:11:44.550 mouth of this serpent to speak, uh, and convinced Eve 0:11:44.590 --> 0:11:47.630 maybe because it was supernatural and shocking to her, but 0:11:48.550 --> 0:11:53.670 to disobey God. Nevertheless, this is not Narnia. It's not 0:11:53.710 --> 0:12:00.589 Doctor Dolittle. What this is, is that there is a supernatural, 0:12:01.750 --> 0:12:06.990 powerful enemy of God that opens the mouth of the serpent. 0:12:06.990 --> 0:12:09.110 And that's that's what we should remember. The only two 0:12:09.110 --> 0:12:14.350 places here. And numbers 22. Numbers 22. Obviously. God working here, 0:12:14.590 --> 0:12:18.150 the enemy. Satan. Revelation 12 tells us that that it 0:12:18.150 --> 0:12:20.310 was Satan who did it. Okay. 0:12:21.230 --> 0:12:24.390 Yes. All right. Well, thank you very much. 0:12:24.750 --> 0:12:29.270 Yeah. Thanks. Uh, learning to recognize the voice of the enemy. 0:12:29.309 --> 0:12:35.430 Very important. Uh, apparently, Eve didn't get that. That's unfortunate. So. Well, 0:12:35.429 --> 0:12:38.429 we're going to take a break here. And when we 0:12:38.470 --> 0:12:42.750 come back, we're going to take more of your questions, 0:12:42.750 --> 0:12:46.070 so stick around. This is open line. My name is 0:12:46.070 --> 0:12:48.910 Michael Ray and we're studying the Bible, God and the 0:12:48.910 --> 0:12:56.069 spiritual life as you call (877) 548-3675. We'll talk about your questions. 0:12:56.070 --> 0:13:14.750 Stay with us. We'll be right back. Welcome back to 0:13:14.790 --> 0:13:17.510 Open Line. My name is Michael Riedel. I'm so glad 0:13:17.510 --> 0:13:21.430 to be with you today. You know, I love teaching 0:13:21.429 --> 0:13:23.310 the Bible. And one of the reasons I went to 0:13:23.350 --> 0:13:27.150 Dallas Seminary was I wanted to study with Howard Hendricks, 0:13:27.350 --> 0:13:30.550 who is the chairman of the Department of Education there 0:13:30.870 --> 0:13:32.870 at the seminary. And I took him for courses in 0:13:32.870 --> 0:13:35.069 how to study the Bible and how to teach the Bible. 0:13:35.510 --> 0:13:39.310 And he was just such a marvelous teacher. And it's 0:13:39.309 --> 0:13:41.910 so important for us to know how to teach. Because 0:13:41.910 --> 0:13:44.750 every one of us will teach the Bible sometime. We 0:13:44.750 --> 0:13:47.470 should be, uh, maybe in a Sunday school class or 0:13:47.470 --> 0:13:53.390 home group. Uh, maybe discipling someone one on one. 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Yeah. 0:15:18.630 --> 0:15:19.590 How can I help you? 0:15:20.230 --> 0:15:22.310 Yeah. Thank you for taking my call. So I was 0:15:22.310 --> 0:15:24.670 my question is. So I was just doing a quick 0:15:24.710 --> 0:15:29.630 meditation on two verses, um, yesterday. First on John 118, 0:15:29.670 --> 0:15:32.470 John chapter one, verse 18, the first sentence where it says, 0:15:32.710 --> 0:15:35.190 no man hath seen, nor no man has seen God 0:15:35.190 --> 0:15:38.750 at any time. But I was just reading, um, Exodus 24, 0:15:38.790 --> 0:15:41.070 verse 10 to 11. In the beginning of the word says, 0:15:41.110 --> 0:15:44.150 the beginning of the verse says, um. Then they saw 0:15:44.190 --> 0:15:46.990 the God of Israel. So my question is, did, uh, 0:15:46.990 --> 0:15:50.190 when the elders went up to, uh, I say, um, 0:15:50.230 --> 0:15:52.910 when they saw a picture of God or. So my 0:15:52.910 --> 0:15:54.830 question is, uh, yeah. 0:15:54.870 --> 0:15:56.590 So a PowerPoint reproduction. 0:15:57.110 --> 0:16:01.110 Yeah. So my question is, um, did they saw, um, 0:16:01.150 --> 0:16:04.750 a direct, uh, sighting of God's full essence or was 0:16:04.750 --> 0:16:07.310 it just a glimpse or appetizer of a manifestation of 0:16:07.310 --> 0:16:08.070 God's glory? 0:16:08.670 --> 0:16:13.430 Mhm. Well, it seems to me that we need to 0:16:13.430 --> 0:16:16.910 see the, the word saw in a special way in 0:16:17.150 --> 0:16:21.150 Exodus 2411. God did not harm the Israelite nobles. They 0:16:21.190 --> 0:16:25.110 saw him. Obviously this is surprising because he says no 0:16:25.110 --> 0:16:27.670 one can see me and live. Uh, God did not 0:16:27.710 --> 0:16:31.070 harm the Israelite nobles. They saw him and they ate 0:16:31.070 --> 0:16:35.790 and they drank. The Hebrew word for saw is the 0:16:35.790 --> 0:16:41.030 word huzzah. And it's used, for example, in numbers 24, 0:16:41.070 --> 0:16:46.510 verse four, and numbers 2416. And there it means they 0:16:46.550 --> 0:16:51.310 saw in a vision. That's what the verb means to 0:16:51.350 --> 0:16:54.670 see in a vision. And so when it says they 0:16:54.670 --> 0:16:58.990 saw the Lord, I think it's only saying that they 0:16:58.990 --> 0:17:02.270 saw a vision of the Lord, just like Isaiah six, 0:17:02.270 --> 0:17:05.590 where Isaiah sees the Lord. I saw the Lord. He 0:17:05.590 --> 0:17:08.230 was high and lifted up. And you know, it says 0:17:08.230 --> 0:17:10.910 that in Isaiah six, I don't think he saw the Lord. 0:17:10.910 --> 0:17:15.189 He saw a vision of the Lord. Daniel chapter seven. Uh, 0:17:15.190 --> 0:17:18.350 Daniel sees a vision of the Lord, the Ancient of Days. 0:17:18.350 --> 0:17:21.830 But it's a vision. And same thing here in verse 24. 0:17:21.869 --> 0:17:24.510 They saw a vision of the Lord. Okay. 0:17:26.230 --> 0:17:28.830 Yes. Thank you so much for clarifying that for me. 0:17:28.990 --> 0:17:33.070 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the only God we will 0:17:33.070 --> 0:17:36.670 ever see face to face is when we look in 0:17:36.670 --> 0:17:40.830 the eyes of our Lord Jesus, God the Son. That's 0:17:40.830 --> 0:17:45.710 how we will see God forever and ever. And, uh, 0:17:46.070 --> 0:17:48.230 thanks for your call, Jeremiah. We're going to talk to 0:17:48.270 --> 0:17:54.190 Iris in Augusta. Augusta, Georgia, listening on Wlp. Welcome to 0:17:54.230 --> 0:17:55.990 Open Line. Iris. How can I help you? 0:17:56.990 --> 0:18:02.270 Uh, yes. Thank you. Um, my question is in Luke 17, 2021. 0:18:02.710 --> 0:18:05.110 And when and I'm reading from the King James and 0:18:05.109 --> 0:18:07.990 when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom 0:18:07.990 --> 0:18:11.190 of God should come, he answered them and said, the 0:18:11.190 --> 0:18:16.470 kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, lo, here, 0:18:16.470 --> 0:18:19.910 or lo, there, or ah, for behold, the kingdom of 0:18:19.910 --> 0:18:24.430 God is within you. Please explain to me what Jesus 0:18:24.430 --> 0:18:27.669 meant by saying, the kingdom of God is within you. 0:18:27.869 --> 0:18:35.060 Some Bible versions say in in your mix. But yeah, 0:18:35.140 --> 0:18:39.980 someone said to me recently, I actually put online that 0:18:39.980 --> 0:18:42.580 this that the kingdom of God would never be in 0:18:42.580 --> 0:18:45.540 anybody at any time. It was a place where people 0:18:45.540 --> 0:18:48.260 could go that had accepted Christ. 0:18:49.380 --> 0:18:52.100 Well, I'll try and explain it best I can. First 0:18:52.100 --> 0:18:55.180 of all, the verse should. I think the best translation 0:18:55.420 --> 0:19:00.419 is that the kingdom of God is among you. And 0:19:00.420 --> 0:19:05.780 what is the kingdom of God? It's God's rulership. That's 0:19:05.780 --> 0:19:08.660 what the words kingdom of God means. Now it has 0:19:08.660 --> 0:19:14.340 various expressions, but it means the rulership of God. And 0:19:14.340 --> 0:19:20.260 what Jesus is saying is in Luke 17, there are 0:19:20.260 --> 0:19:23.300 many people that believed that there would be a coming 0:19:23.340 --> 0:19:26.540 crashing in of the kingdom of God, that the kingdom 0:19:26.540 --> 0:19:28.660 of God would crash in and the whole world would 0:19:28.660 --> 0:19:32.540 be turned upside down. Now Jesus is saying is it's 0:19:32.540 --> 0:19:36.060 not going to be quite like that. They wanted to 0:19:36.100 --> 0:19:38.380 know that he was asked by the Pharisees, when will 0:19:38.420 --> 0:19:41.379 the kingdom of God come? What is it going to 0:19:41.380 --> 0:19:44.820 come crashing in? When will the Messiah defeat the enemies 0:19:45.780 --> 0:19:49.859 of Israel? Establish, throw out the Romans and establish a 0:19:49.900 --> 0:19:53.379 righteous kingdom on earth? And he said, look, the kingdom 0:19:53.380 --> 0:19:56.540 of God is not coming with something observable. It's not 0:19:56.540 --> 0:20:02.100 going to come crashing in, but rather, uh, don't say 0:20:02.100 --> 0:20:04.379 look here or look there. You see, the kingdom of 0:20:04.380 --> 0:20:08.340 God is among you. Wherever the King is, and Jesus 0:20:08.380 --> 0:20:11.820 is the King of Israel. That's where the the rulership 0:20:11.820 --> 0:20:15.460 of God is. And so he's saying, I'm right here. 0:20:16.500 --> 0:20:19.180 And the kingdom of God is among you. The rulership 0:20:19.180 --> 0:20:22.180 of God is available right now if you'll obey me. 0:20:22.900 --> 0:20:26.820 And one day he will return and it will crash in. 0:20:26.859 --> 0:20:30.620 You can read revelation 19. He returns and establishes his 0:20:30.740 --> 0:20:34.420 kingdom in a in a very dramatic way. But for now, 0:20:34.859 --> 0:20:38.540 we still are following the King. There's the spiritual aspect 0:20:38.540 --> 0:20:41.820 of the kingdom of God. He's our king. We're following him. 0:20:41.820 --> 0:20:45.859 The kingdom of God is among us even today. Does 0:20:45.859 --> 0:20:47.179 that does that help? Iris. 0:20:47.500 --> 0:20:48.020 Isn't it? 0:20:48.700 --> 0:20:51.740 Not. Not. Well, I would say it's in our midst. 0:20:51.900 --> 0:20:54.260 I wouldn't, I don't want to say. It's in our heart. 0:20:54.260 --> 0:20:57.780 It's among us. Uh, because as we follow the king, 0:20:58.700 --> 0:21:02.420 we are following, uh, his rulership. And it is among 0:21:02.420 --> 0:21:04.260 us right now. Okay. 0:21:04.580 --> 0:21:09.580 But the Holy Spirit, doesn't it deal with our heart 0:21:09.619 --> 0:21:12.300 that the seat of our emotions and our beliefs. 0:21:13.100 --> 0:21:16.940 Yeah, sure. But that because we believe in the King, 0:21:18.300 --> 0:21:22.420 we believe he's returning and the Holy Spirit empowers us. 0:21:23.020 --> 0:21:25.740 The kingdom of God is among us right now. The 0:21:25.740 --> 0:21:28.460 rulership of God is among us. Okay. 0:21:28.740 --> 0:21:29.140 Okay. 0:21:29.900 --> 0:21:30.540 Thank you. 0:21:31.060 --> 0:21:34.740 Great. So glad you called. Thanks for the call, Iris. Uh, 0:21:36.140 --> 0:21:42.540 we're going to talk to Anthony. Listening in Georgia. Welcome 0:21:42.540 --> 0:21:44.460 to Open Line. Anthony. How can I help you? 0:21:45.180 --> 0:21:46.179 How you doing, sir? 0:21:47.220 --> 0:21:48.260 Great. How are you? 0:21:48.940 --> 0:21:51.940 I'm doing well. So I have a question about the 0:21:51.940 --> 0:21:57.580 Ten Commandments. Um, I know I'm a new believer. Um, 0:21:57.859 --> 0:22:00.820 I wish I would have learned a long time ago, 0:22:00.820 --> 0:22:04.939 but the ten commandments. Um, when I always speak to 0:22:04.940 --> 0:22:09.179 someone about it, um, it's pretty clear that I should 0:22:09.180 --> 0:22:12.860 follow all of them, you know? But the ones that 0:22:13.340 --> 0:22:16.660 I see the same people saying that that tell me, 0:22:16.660 --> 0:22:20.820 like the preachers or the deacons or whatever, tell me. Yeah, 0:22:20.820 --> 0:22:23.300 you should follow all of them. Not just some of them, 0:22:23.340 --> 0:22:31.100 but they, uh, the the the one,. Uh. Uh. Keep 0:22:31.100 --> 0:22:36.020 the Sabbath holy. You know, um, I guess God said, um, 0:22:36.020 --> 0:22:40.260 the ones who didn't go out, they stayed inside the 0:22:40.260 --> 0:22:43.380 whole day, and they didn't work. They didn't go out. 0:22:43.380 --> 0:22:47.219 They didn't do anything. Okay, they can kind of explain 0:22:47.220 --> 0:22:48.060 that one to me. 0:22:48.740 --> 0:22:56.940 Sure. Uh, why? I'm. You're the simple question is this. 0:22:57.260 --> 0:23:01.020 What about the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments? Romans 15 0:23:01.420 --> 0:23:07.340 says this. Uh, I'm not, uh, I'm sorry. Romans 14 0:23:07.740 --> 0:23:11.180 verse five says one person considers one day to be 0:23:11.180 --> 0:23:14.300 above another day. Someone else considers every day to be 0:23:14.300 --> 0:23:16.820 the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his 0:23:16.820 --> 0:23:21.020 own mind. And so the Sabbath day, uh, can be capped. 0:23:21.020 --> 0:23:24.100 It cannot be capped. But here's the principle we do 0:23:24.100 --> 0:23:28.420 need to take from the Ten Commandments, the principle, the 0:23:28.420 --> 0:23:35.020 wisdom principle that we need one day for spiritual rest 0:23:35.619 --> 0:23:41.179 and spiritual renewal and physical rest. I think it doesn't 0:23:41.180 --> 0:23:44.140 matter what day according to Romans 14 five, but we 0:23:44.140 --> 0:23:47.420 do need to keep taking a day of physical rest 0:23:47.420 --> 0:23:50.860 and spiritual renewal. And that's how we keep the Sabbath. 0:23:51.980 --> 0:23:56.020 So it ain't necessary. The seventh day of the week. 0:23:57.180 --> 0:23:57.740 Pardon me? 0:23:58.580 --> 0:24:01.780 I said so it ain't. It ain't just the seventh 0:24:01.820 --> 0:24:02.619 day of the week. 0:24:02.980 --> 0:24:06.619 No, we have to have a Sabbath, but not necessarily 0:24:07.060 --> 0:24:08.460 the seventh day of the week. It's okay if you 0:24:08.460 --> 0:24:09.860 want to do it on the seventh day of the week. 0:24:09.900 --> 0:24:12.700 I'm okay with that. You want to do it on Friday? 0:24:12.740 --> 0:24:15.419 So be it. Uh, you want to do it on Tuesday? 0:24:15.420 --> 0:24:18.820 That's good. But, uh, and every pastor knows this. Most 0:24:18.820 --> 0:24:24.179 pastors work on Sunday, and, uh, their preaching and meeting 0:24:24.180 --> 0:24:26.380 with people and doing all sorts of stuff, and then 0:24:26.380 --> 0:24:33.020 they take Monday or Friday off, so. Oh, oh, you know, but, uh, 0:24:33.060 --> 0:24:38.300 we need a day for spiritual renewal and physical rest and, 0:24:38.300 --> 0:24:40.619 and that's what we should do. And you want to 0:24:40.619 --> 0:24:43.980 do it on Saturday? That's great. Uh. Another day. That's 0:24:43.980 --> 0:24:45.540 fine too. Um. 0:24:46.060 --> 0:24:49.100 So I have one more question. If it's okay. 0:24:49.340 --> 0:24:51.740 Um, no, we're out of time. I'm sorry to tell 0:24:51.740 --> 0:24:56.699 you that, uh, but, uh, I'm really grateful for your call. 0:24:56.740 --> 0:24:59.699 I appreciate it. Uh, we're going to be taking a 0:24:59.700 --> 0:25:01.340 break in just a bit. I did want to remind 0:25:01.340 --> 0:25:04.260 you about our current resource I mentioned. 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I've 0:27:22.380 --> 0:27:24.859 always said that, but I think you really improved today 0:27:24.859 --> 0:27:27.100 by bringing an associate team member in. 0:27:27.140 --> 0:27:30.260 I did, I did she's a cutie. Yeah. I brought 0:27:30.260 --> 0:27:33.659 my eight year old daughter into to work today because 0:27:33.660 --> 0:27:36.220 she said, I want to see what you do. And 0:27:36.220 --> 0:27:38.900 Saturdays are a great time to do that because. 0:27:38.940 --> 0:27:41.140 Well, and she asked a great question, how to study 0:27:41.140 --> 0:27:41.540 the Bible. 0:27:41.580 --> 0:27:41.939 As an eight. 0:27:41.940 --> 0:27:42.340 Year old. 0:27:42.340 --> 0:27:44.260 Last hour I took notes. 0:27:45.020 --> 0:27:47.700 Oh, good. I think you recognized it. 0:27:47.700 --> 0:27:50.700 I did, I did, yeah. So. But in case someone 0:27:50.700 --> 0:27:54.020 didn't hear it real quick, first, do you understand what 0:27:54.020 --> 0:27:57.260 you're reading? Paraphrase it. Explain what happened in one sentence. 0:27:57.859 --> 0:28:00.020 See what? What does God want me to learn? And 0:28:00.020 --> 0:28:02.180 if you've heard us talk about the specs, those were 0:28:02.180 --> 0:28:06.139 the questions that you asked. Um, and then talk to 0:28:06.140 --> 0:28:09.300 your mom, which, you know, or talk to a believer 0:28:09.300 --> 0:28:12.100 who's further along, who can say, actually, you're way off track, or, yeah, 0:28:12.140 --> 0:28:14.060 you've got this, you're growing. Yeah. 0:28:14.340 --> 0:28:15.739 Well, when you're an eight year old, talk to your 0:28:15.740 --> 0:28:19.419 mom or dad. Exactly, exactly I think. Yeah. So Anyway, 0:28:20.100 --> 0:28:22.739 I appreciate her being part of the team today and 0:28:22.740 --> 0:28:25.580 I appreciate you being always part of the team. Uh, 0:28:26.140 --> 0:28:28.580 people have no idea. Even they think you just bring 0:28:28.580 --> 0:28:33.340 in the questions. You know, this this whole before the 0:28:33.340 --> 0:28:35.859 radio program began today, you were telling me all the 0:28:35.859 --> 0:28:36.980 things I need to do. 0:28:37.420 --> 0:28:37.780 And the. 0:28:37.780 --> 0:28:38.660 Great reminder. 0:28:38.820 --> 0:28:39.220 Yes. 0:28:39.460 --> 0:28:43.780 Yeah, yeah. I just love that after about this teamwork. 0:28:43.780 --> 0:28:46.020 And I appreciate everyone that listens. You're part of the team. 0:28:46.020 --> 0:28:48.900 I appreciate everyone that gives occasionally like for a book 0:28:48.940 --> 0:28:52.620 like we're offering right now as our thank you teaching 0:28:52.620 --> 0:28:54.620 to change lives. And also I appreciate all the kitchen 0:28:54.620 --> 0:28:58.700 table partners, people who give regularly to Open Line every 0:28:58.700 --> 0:29:01.380 month so that we can be on weekly. It means 0:29:01.380 --> 0:29:04.660 so much to me. 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Or you can go to Openline radio org. 0:29:40.220 --> 0:29:43.260 Really appreciate it when you do that. Thanks so much. 0:29:43.620 --> 0:29:45.980 Okay Tricia, what questions have we got today. 0:29:46.020 --> 0:29:49.300 Okay. Our first question is from Deb in Florida, listens 0:29:49.300 --> 0:29:55.900 to Wkez and she is asking about Matthew 27, verse 46, 0:29:56.460 --> 0:30:01.340 which is at Jesus crucifixion. Crucifixion says about three in 0:30:01.380 --> 0:30:05.540 the afternoon, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, Ellie, Ellie, 0:30:05.580 --> 0:30:09.540 lema sabachthani? That is, my God, my God, why have 0:30:09.540 --> 0:30:13.100 you forsaken me? When Jesus said this on the cross, 0:30:13.260 --> 0:30:16.060 did God turn away from him? Was it to make 0:30:16.210 --> 0:30:20.970 people think back to Psalm 22? Was there a separation 0:30:20.970 --> 0:30:24.170 of the Trinity because I thought the Trinity was always one. 0:30:24.450 --> 0:30:27.010 Thank you for always answering questions from us. 0:30:28.290 --> 0:30:33.530 Psalm 22 is what Jesus is quoting there in the 0:30:33.530 --> 0:30:35.810 very opening words, My God, my God, why have you 0:30:35.810 --> 0:30:40.330 forsaken me? Now remember this that I think Bonhoeffer is right. 0:30:40.730 --> 0:30:42.970 He calls the Book of Psalms the prayer book of 0:30:42.970 --> 0:30:47.810 the Messiah. I think, and Jesus is expressing the words 0:30:47.810 --> 0:30:50.850 of David there to express how he felt. It is 0:30:50.850 --> 0:30:59.250 a rhetorical statement, and a rhetorical statement is a or 0:30:59.290 --> 0:31:02.650 a rhetorical question is a question that we know the 0:31:02.650 --> 0:31:08.010 answer to. And it's not an expression of doubt. It's 0:31:08.010 --> 0:31:11.050 an expression of suffering. My God, my God, why have 0:31:11.050 --> 0:31:12.930 you forsaken me? Why are you so far from my 0:31:12.930 --> 0:31:16.210 deliverance or from my words of groaning. It doesn't mean 0:31:16.210 --> 0:31:19.170 that Jesus doesn't know the answer to this question. He's 0:31:19.170 --> 0:31:22.930 using it to express his anguish. That's how he feels. 0:31:23.170 --> 0:31:26.530 It's a rhetorical question. Now, some people have said the 0:31:26.530 --> 0:31:30.730 reason he feels this way is because the Father and Son, 0:31:30.730 --> 0:31:32.970 when the Lord Jesus took all the sin of the 0:31:32.970 --> 0:31:35.570 whole world on him, that the father and the son 0:31:35.570 --> 0:31:38.930 broke fellowship for the first time in eternity. I don't 0:31:38.930 --> 0:31:41.370 believe that. I don't think there ever was a time 0:31:41.370 --> 0:31:44.770 where father and son had their fellowship broken. On the 0:31:44.770 --> 0:31:49.690 basis of saying that the father and son broke. Fellowship 0:31:49.690 --> 0:31:55.410 comes from a misunderstanding of a verse in the book 0:31:55.410 --> 0:32:01.410 of Habakkuk. And in that book, uh, in chapter one, 0:32:01.410 --> 0:32:07.010 it says, here I'm turning to it. Uh, it says 0:32:07.010 --> 0:32:12.450 in chapter one, uh, that your eyes are too pure 0:32:13.010 --> 0:32:19.290 to look upon evil and, uh. And so they say, 0:32:19.290 --> 0:32:22.209 because God can't look at evil when the sin of 0:32:22.210 --> 0:32:25.810 the world came upon the Lord Jesus, the father turned 0:32:26.050 --> 0:32:29.770 his back on the son. Here's the verse. It says, 0:32:29.770 --> 0:32:32.690 your eyes are too pure to look on evil, and 0:32:32.690 --> 0:32:39.050 you cannot tolerate wrongdoing. So verse 13, backup 113 they say, ah, look, 0:32:39.050 --> 0:32:42.010 God couldn't look at Jesus because sin came on him 0:32:42.210 --> 0:32:45.930 and therefore he turned away. There's even, you know, songs 0:32:46.410 --> 0:32:51.130 that people sing that have the father turned away? Mhm. Uh, 0:32:52.170 --> 0:32:55.810 that's a misunderstanding of Habakkuk 113. Your eyes are too 0:32:55.810 --> 0:33:01.970 pure to approve of evil. You cannot tolerate wrongdoing. It 0:33:01.970 --> 0:33:04.250 doesn't mean to look with a. It means to look 0:33:04.250 --> 0:33:06.690 with approval. It doesn't mean that he can't see. If 0:33:06.690 --> 0:33:09.450 he couldn't see sin. If God can't look at sin, 0:33:09.450 --> 0:33:12.210 he couldn't look at you. Trish or me or Omar. 0:33:12.250 --> 0:33:14.209 Especially Omar. Right. No. 0:33:14.850 --> 0:33:16.050 No. Especially any. 0:33:16.050 --> 0:33:23.170 Of us. No, no, I'm just teasing. But, uh, especially me. 0:33:23.210 --> 0:33:25.930 You know, I really feel that way, but God sees 0:33:25.930 --> 0:33:29.130 me all the time. What this is saying is, in 0:33:29.170 --> 0:33:32.010 Habakkuk one, God can't approve of evil. What the Lord 0:33:32.010 --> 0:33:35.610 Jesus is saying I feel anguish at the at the 0:33:35.610 --> 0:33:39.010 pain of suffering of at the crucifixion. It doesn't mean 0:33:39.010 --> 0:33:41.290 that the father turned away from him. The father and 0:33:41.290 --> 0:33:44.370 Son never broke fellowship in all eternity and never will. 0:33:44.610 --> 0:33:49.690 And so that's how I understand it. It's a rhetorical question, 0:33:49.690 --> 0:33:54.690 expressing the anguish the Lord Jesus felt at the crucifixion and. 0:33:54.730 --> 0:33:59.010 And how much more, um, encouraging is that? Because if 0:33:59.050 --> 0:34:02.810 if you follow that theology that God would break fellowship 0:34:02.810 --> 0:34:06.690 with Jesus for taking the punishment of our sin, then 0:34:06.730 --> 0:34:10.810 why wouldn't he break fellowship with me every time I sin. 0:34:11.250 --> 0:34:13.290 Yeah. That's right. Yeah, yeah. 0:34:13.730 --> 0:34:16.730 And so if that didn't happen, then it shows his 0:34:16.730 --> 0:34:20.089 faithfulness to us, even when we sin, that we can 0:34:20.090 --> 0:34:22.770 come back to him and he will hear our prayers 0:34:22.770 --> 0:34:23.410 and see us. 0:34:23.410 --> 0:34:26.009 And here's the thing. When I sin, if I stray, 0:34:26.530 --> 0:34:29.850 you know who's watching me? God, who can see me? 0:34:29.890 --> 0:34:32.529 God himself. Yeah. And he's using that to pull me 0:34:32.530 --> 0:34:35.410 back because he sees me. He brings all sorts of 0:34:35.410 --> 0:34:38.370 circumstances in my life to remind me to confess, to 0:34:38.410 --> 0:34:40.569 remind me to agree with him, to restore me to 0:34:40.610 --> 0:34:44.689 fellowship in that sense. So. Okay. Yeah. He sees me 0:34:44.690 --> 0:34:47.009 all the time. Uh, by the way, he sees you 0:34:47.010 --> 0:34:49.930 and he sees Omar, and he sees every listener. You know, 0:34:50.130 --> 0:34:51.170 he's watching us. 0:34:51.210 --> 0:34:54.890 Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, great. Thank you for that question, Deb. 0:34:54.890 --> 0:34:59.530 I hope that cleared that up for you. Um, Angela 0:34:59.530 --> 0:35:04.490 wrote us from Indiana, listens and said, I believe, absent 0:35:04.489 --> 0:35:08.450 from the body present with the Lord for believers. She 0:35:08.450 --> 0:35:12.290 wants to know do non-believers souls go to hell and 0:35:12.290 --> 0:35:15.650 then later reunite with their bodies? Like, is there a. 0:35:15.730 --> 0:35:19.209 Someone asked about that? Uh, you know, people talk about 0:35:19.210 --> 0:35:22.890 going to hell. I'm not sure that I think it's 0:35:22.890 --> 0:35:29.489 based on the translation of the word Sheol in the 0:35:29.489 --> 0:35:32.450 Old Testament was translated by the King James as hell 0:35:33.290 --> 0:35:37.090 as the abode of the dead. And when people go 0:35:37.690 --> 0:35:41.690 to the dead, when they go to be dead, for example, 0:35:41.690 --> 0:35:44.969 in the story of Lazarus and the rich man, Lazarus 0:35:45.010 --> 0:35:48.169 goes to Abraham's bosom. It's not a location. It means 0:35:48.170 --> 0:35:50.810 he's in the presence of God. And Abraham is there 0:35:50.810 --> 0:35:53.370 bringing him comfort for all the suffering that he had. 0:35:53.410 --> 0:35:58.049 He's being held and comforted. Uh, then the rich man 0:35:58.050 --> 0:36:01.850 can see this, but he is suffering and he is 0:36:01.850 --> 0:36:04.890 awaiting judgment. He hasn't been judged yet, but he is 0:36:05.610 --> 0:36:10.290 awaiting judgment. And he's in a place of of great suffering. 0:36:10.530 --> 0:36:16.370 And he is still in his immaterial body. And not 0:36:16.410 --> 0:36:20.049 until the great White Throne judgment described in revelation 20 0:36:20.250 --> 0:36:23.290 will he and any other person who doesn't know the 0:36:23.290 --> 0:36:26.650 Lord be resurrected face judgment? And then the Bible says, 0:36:26.650 --> 0:36:28.850 this is one of the saddest truths of the Bible. 0:36:29.050 --> 0:36:31.810 Those who have not trusted in Jesus will be cast 0:36:31.810 --> 0:36:33.730 into the lake of fire, which is what I think 0:36:33.730 --> 0:36:39.330 most of us mean by hell. And that is yet future. Uh, 0:36:39.610 --> 0:36:43.410 but there's a the greatest suffering is being separated from God. 0:36:43.410 --> 0:36:46.810 And that happened immediately to the rich man. And that's 0:36:46.810 --> 0:36:48.890 what happens to any person who doesn't know the Lord 0:36:48.890 --> 0:36:52.089 when they die. They are separate from God. Their immaterial 0:36:52.090 --> 0:36:57.690 body goes there, but they will then be resurrected and 0:36:57.690 --> 0:37:01.290 face the final judgment, the great White Throne judgment that 0:37:01.290 --> 0:37:03.930 will happen before the new heavens and the new earth. 0:37:03.930 --> 0:37:05.489 The new creation begins. 0:37:05.530 --> 0:37:08.690 Does the Bible say anything about? If they're resurrected, are 0:37:08.690 --> 0:37:10.890 they reunited with the physical body? 0:37:11.330 --> 0:37:14.690 Yeah. They're going yeah, they're they're going to have a 0:37:14.690 --> 0:37:20.330 resurrected immortal body that is cast into the lake of fire. 0:37:20.650 --> 0:37:21.170 Okay. 0:37:21.890 --> 0:37:22.290 Mhm. 0:37:22.330 --> 0:37:22.770 Okay. 0:37:22.810 --> 0:37:26.330 It's that's the eternal death. It is heartbreaking. Yeah. You know, 0:37:26.370 --> 0:37:28.730 I never want to talk about that without talking about 0:37:28.730 --> 0:37:32.129 the way to avoid it, which is trust in Jesus 0:37:32.489 --> 0:37:37.290 and believe that he died. Taking the punishment that we 0:37:37.290 --> 0:37:41.730 deserved was raised again, proving he's God just in him. 0:37:42.370 --> 0:37:44.850 All you have to do is say, I trust Jesus, 0:37:44.850 --> 0:37:47.770 that he died for me and rose again. If you're listening, 0:37:47.930 --> 0:37:50.210 don't even think about the lake of fire. What you 0:37:50.210 --> 0:37:54.130 need to think about is how to spend eternity with God. Uh, 0:37:54.489 --> 0:37:58.570 beginning now and forever. To be his child. That's. That's 0:37:58.570 --> 0:38:00.330 the great news. Yeah. 0:38:00.370 --> 0:38:01.969 And if that's something you want to know more about, 0:38:01.969 --> 0:38:05.770 you can go to our website, openline Org, and there's 0:38:05.770 --> 0:38:09.370 a link up in the top corner that says something 0:38:09.370 --> 0:38:12.810 like Knowing Christ. You can click on that. It'll take 0:38:12.810 --> 0:38:15.730 you to a page where this gets laid out a 0:38:15.730 --> 0:38:19.450 little bit more, and you can request information, um, about 0:38:19.450 --> 0:38:21.890 that and some resources that can help you grow if 0:38:21.890 --> 0:38:25.729 you decide to trust Jesus. Um, you can find that 0:38:25.730 --> 0:38:29.810 again at our website, openline Radio.com. And in the top 0:38:29.810 --> 0:38:34.770 right corner click the button. It says Know Christ. Um, 0:38:34.770 --> 0:38:36.850 so yeah, I'd encourage you to do that. 0:38:37.850 --> 0:38:40.009 Well, we're going to take a break here. Yeah. Tricia, 0:38:40.010 --> 0:38:42.330 thanks so much for bringing these questions in. And mostly, 0:38:42.330 --> 0:38:43.689 thank you for bringing Maisie in. 0:38:43.730 --> 0:38:45.010 Hi. You're welcome. 0:38:45.050 --> 0:38:48.290 I love seeing her. That's great. Uh, we're going to 0:38:48.290 --> 0:38:50.450 come back with more of your questions in just a moment. 0:38:50.450 --> 0:38:52.649 This is open line. I'm Michael Ray Melnick. That was 0:38:52.650 --> 0:38:55.610 Tricia McMillan. We'll be right back. So stay with us. 0:39:14.570 --> 0:39:19.129 Welcome back to Open Line. I'm Michael Redlick. You know, 0:39:19.130 --> 0:39:22.250 so many times people say that they want to talk 0:39:22.250 --> 0:39:25.530 to their Jewish friends about the good news of Jesus, 0:39:25.530 --> 0:39:27.570 but they're not sure how. One of the best ways 0:39:27.570 --> 0:39:30.049 is to talk about Isaiah 53. If you think I'm 0:39:30.090 --> 0:39:34.210 not sure about what that passage means in Isaiah, that 0:39:34.210 --> 0:39:39.089 great messianic prophecy, check out Chosen People Ministries. One of 0:39:39.090 --> 0:39:43.489 our partners, their current offer, which is a copy of 0:39:43.489 --> 0:39:48.170 a free book called Explaining Isaiah 53. All you have 0:39:48.170 --> 0:39:50.570 to do is read this book and you'll understand the passage, 0:39:50.570 --> 0:39:52.410 and it'll be a great passage for you to talk 0:39:52.410 --> 0:39:55.690 about with your Jewish friends. Or you could just pass 0:39:55.690 --> 0:39:59.609 the book on to your Jewish friend, explaining Isaiah 53. 0:39:59.650 --> 0:40:01.930 If they're interested, they'll be able to read that and 0:40:02.090 --> 0:40:06.010 understand that passage much better as it reveals the Lord Jesus, 0:40:06.010 --> 0:40:09.170 the suffering servant of God. And if you'd like a 0:40:09.170 --> 0:40:14.330 copy of explaining Isaiah 53, just go to our website openlibrary.org. 0:40:14.370 --> 0:40:16.969 Scroll down till you see the link. It says a 0:40:16.969 --> 0:40:20.570 free gift from Chosen People Ministries. Click on that. It'll 0:40:20.570 --> 0:40:22.089 take you to a page where you can sign up 0:40:22.090 --> 0:40:26.489 for your own copy of Explaining Isaiah 53. Now we're 0:40:26.489 --> 0:40:30.450 going to talk to Meg in Davenport, Iowa, listening on 0:40:31.730 --> 0:40:34.850 welcome to Open Line. Meg, how can I help you today? 0:40:35.370 --> 0:40:38.250 Thank you for being there. Um, when you told the 0:40:38.250 --> 0:40:42.290 lady this morning about, um, the meaning of the word Lucifer, 0:40:42.330 --> 0:40:45.890 it means morning star. Um, I was curious, because we 0:40:45.890 --> 0:40:50.450 have a Christian school in our area named Morningstar Christian Academy. Um, 0:40:50.530 --> 0:40:57.410 I'm sure you can explain how Isaiah 1412 and revelation 2216. Um, 0:40:58.530 --> 0:41:02.370 makes sense because Jesus in revelation 22, says he is 0:41:02.370 --> 0:41:03.210 the morning star. 0:41:03.810 --> 0:41:09.050 Mhm. Well, morning stars is Jesus is not a morning star. 0:41:09.090 --> 0:41:12.610 Just so you know. Nor is Satan. They are not. 0:41:12.690 --> 0:41:16.930 These are figures of speech. Uh, the morning star is 0:41:16.930 --> 0:41:21.930 the first sign of of, uh, the day coming. It 0:41:21.930 --> 0:41:27.530 brings light and and it's beautiful. And so it says of, uh, 0:41:27.890 --> 0:41:33.969 Satan shining morning star, how you have fallen from the heavens. 0:41:34.210 --> 0:41:38.690 So if you know Isaiah 1412 and following 12 through 0:41:38.730 --> 0:41:44.850 15 and then also, uh, Ezekiel 28, where it talks about, uh, 0:41:45.090 --> 0:41:49.130 that the that Satan was the anointed cherub in the 0:41:49.130 --> 0:41:52.530 Garden of Eden and he was so glorious. It's saying 0:41:52.530 --> 0:41:55.489 that it's just saying that he was a glorious figure 0:41:55.730 --> 0:41:59.240 that fell to earth, that was cast out Stout because 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:03.439 of his rebellion and sin. But the true one, who 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.800 is glorious and beautiful in the the sense of bringing 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:11.400 light and and in that sense, the that figure of 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.480 speech is rightly applied to the Lord Jesus as well. Remember, 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.320 it's just a figure of speech. It's not a technical 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.600 name and not a technical term. It's a figure of 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:23.000 speech about the one that is this glorious figure. And 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.080 was Satan a glorious figure when he was the anointed cherub? 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:30.000 You bet. Uh, and in the same way he, just 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.319 as he fell the same term could be applied to 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.640 the Lord Jesus, who never fell, who was always perfect 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.719 and was glorious. Always. So is that does that help 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:41.200 you at all? 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:45.600 Sure. That makes lots of sense. Just wanted to thank you. 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.480 Great. Sure. Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. Meg. Uh, 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:53.360 we're going to talk to Don in Jupiter, Florida, listening on, uh, 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:55.800 welcome to Open Line. How can I help you today? 0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:01.080 Thank you. Doctor. My, question is Matthew 14, the parable 0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:03.520 of the treasure and the pearl. Some are saying it's 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:07.080 an unsaved man looking for salvation. Others are saying it's 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:08.840 Israel and the church. Your thoughts? 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:16.480 Well, uh, let's read those verses to people so they 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:21.200 know what we're talking about. Uh, beginning with 14, uh, 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:26.000 verses 44 through 46. Matthew, is that what you said? 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:30.000 Matthew 1444 through 46? Uh, I don't think you're right. 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.000 I think it's 1344 through 46. 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:34.480 13 should be right. Correct. 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:38.320 Yeah. Yes. Uh, here's what it says. Uh, the kingdom 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.839 of heaven is like treasure buried in a field that 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.839 a man found and reburied. Then in his joy, he 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:49.960 goes and sells everything he has and buys that field. Again, 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.200 the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.040 of fine pearls. When he found one priceless pearl, he 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:59.640 went and sold everything he had and bought it. The 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.400 Kingdom of Heaven is the Kingdom of God. God's rulership, 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:05.439 God's relationship with us in our life. It's not talking 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:08.719 about the church here. Uh, it's not talking about the 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:11.879 hidden church all of a sudden being revealed. What it's 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:16.760 saying is that when a man finds the value of 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:22.280 following the Lord of coming under his rulership, of following 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:27.040 the king, uh, coming to know him, that it's worth everything. 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.840 He goes and sells everything, and he has and buys 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:35.960 that field. He goes and sells everything and buys that pearl. 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:41.160 It is so precious, so valuable that it's worth everything. 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.319 We have to come to know the Lord. That's what 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:44.400 that's talking about. 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:46.719 Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:51.000 Yep. By the way, it is. You know, uh, so 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.640 often people say, is it really worth it? I've been 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:58.840 following the Lord Now see, how many years would that be? Uh, 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:07.320 53 years. Uh, and, uh, so there were some costs, 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.160 but it was worth it because of the great value 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.719 of knowing the Lord forever and ever. And so, yeah, 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.040 I want to encourage you. If you've not made that decision, 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.480 it is more than worth it. It is the most 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:22.200 glorious thing that God could do for us, uh, to 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:26.840 give us an eternal relationship with the Lord Jesus. So, uh, 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:31.720 trust him. Let's talk to Kelly. Listening on RMB in Florida. 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.359 Welcome to Open Line, Kelly. What can I do for you? 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:43.919 Hi. Hi. Um, I'm wondering about the definition, and I'm 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:49.200 reading it as as we're talking. Um, spare the rod, 0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:58.600 spoil the child. And I'm just. I'm concerned about someone's spanking. 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:00.080 And I mean, I don't. 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.719 Listen, Kelly. We're out of time. But here's the answer. 0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.560 I think it's just saying we need to discipline our children. 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:11.279 Kids need two things love and limits. Uh, and however 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.560 we do it, that's the best way to do it. Uh, 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.920 Love and limits doesn't have to be spanking. So, anyway, 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:21.000 thanks for your call, Kelly. Uh, thanks for listening, everyone. 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:22.960 That's the program for the week. We'll be back again 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:28.239 next week. Uh, thanks to the Open line team. Tricia. Omar. Brianna. 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:30.640 Keep in touch with us during the week by checking 0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.680 out our web page. 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