1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,640 S1: Oh, I have been looking forward to this since I 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,520 S1: held the new sing hymnal in my very own hands. 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,879 S1: I have wanted to have Keith Gaddie on this program 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,200 S1: to talk about music and hymns, and how we can 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,000 S1: recapture some of the truth and beauty from poets and 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:24,400 S1: musicians of yesteryear. And then, then I found out there's 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,560 S1: a new recording of a Christmas song that was written 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,760 S1: in the 1800s. It's a song you'll find in your 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,519 S1: hymnal if you still have one. And today you're going 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,760 S1: to hear this gorgeous rendition of that old hymn sung 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,040 S1: by Kristyn Getty and a surprise ensemble. All of that, 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,000 S1: and a whole lot more straight ahead on this Yuletide 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,560 S1: edition of Chris Fabry Live. The program from the heart 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,360 S1: to the heart for the heart. Happy December 3rd to 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,519 S1: you and yours. Let's get going. First with a thank 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,320 S1: you to our team. Ryan McConaughey is doing all things technical. 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,680 S1: Lisa is in the chair today. Trish is our producer. 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,200 S1: She'll be along here in a minute. Josh will be 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,400 S1: answering your calls today, and usually I mention our thank 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,600 S1: you for the month right here, but I have to 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,800 S1: wait because the song that you're going to hear today 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,360 S1: has a really interesting backstory, and I want to read 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,080 S1: about that, tell you more about it, but suffice it 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,640 S1: to say, December is a big month for ministries, this 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,520 S1: one included. If you can support us in the next 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,520 S1: 28 days, do that. It will help us close out 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,160 S1: the calendar year and launch into 2026. Find out more. 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,559 S1: Go to Chris. And you can give right there. Leave 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,640 S1: an encouraging note if, uh, if you do that. Chris. 30 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:39,080 S1: Org or you can call 86695. I'll tell you what. 31 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,080 S1: Our thank you is in just a moment. First, let 32 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,840 S1: me introduce the man who needs no introduction, a Grammy 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,480 S1: nominated songwriter author, together with his wife, Kristen Keith Getty, 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,480 S1: co-founded the Getty Music Organization to equip believers with hymns 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,240 S1: to carry for a lifetime as co-writer of many of 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,750 S1: today's most sung hymns, including In Christ Alone. He became 37 00:02:00,750 --> 00:02:03,350 S1: the first church musician of modern era to receive the 38 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:08,270 S1: OBE from Queen Elizabeth II, for services to music and 39 00:02:08,270 --> 00:02:13,150 S1: hymn writing. He is also co-author of Sing How Worship 40 00:02:13,150 --> 00:02:17,149 S1: Transforms Your Life, family and Church. He leads the annual 41 00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:22,510 S1: Sing conference. Originally from Northern Ireland, they now live in 42 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:25,950 S1: Nashville with their four daughters. Keith, welcome back to the program. 43 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:26,670 S1: How are you doing? 44 00:02:27,110 --> 00:02:29,630 S2: Chris, how long was that sentence you just said? I mean, 45 00:02:29,669 --> 00:02:32,230 S2: how many words were in succession there? 46 00:02:32,950 --> 00:02:34,990 S1: It was a lot. I used a lot of words. 47 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:37,549 S2: My fourth daughter does the same thing. She just she 48 00:02:37,550 --> 00:02:40,750 S2: just she just drags sentences into the next sentence, into 49 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:43,190 S2: the next sentence, and they just they just keep going, 50 00:02:43,230 --> 00:02:45,510 S2: and it's just like you're waiting to try and interrupt her, 51 00:02:45,870 --> 00:02:48,310 S2: but you just can't get a spot in there. But 52 00:02:48,350 --> 00:02:50,549 S2: it is great to be back 20 years, 20 years 53 00:02:50,550 --> 00:02:53,470 S2: this year since I did my first radio interview. 54 00:02:53,830 --> 00:02:54,790 S1: This was really. 55 00:02:54,830 --> 00:02:55,110 S2: Yeah. 56 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:57,870 S1: Well, now I saw a thing you and Kristen were. 57 00:02:58,030 --> 00:03:00,750 S1: You've been married 20 years too, haven't you? 58 00:03:00,830 --> 00:03:07,510 S2: Well, we're married 20, 21, 21.5. Monday week, Tuesday week. 21.5. 59 00:03:07,550 --> 00:03:09,310 S2: Tuesday week. And we've never and we've never had a 60 00:03:09,310 --> 00:03:12,350 S2: night apart. We've done we've managed, we've we've we've passed, 61 00:03:12,350 --> 00:03:15,430 S2: I think 1100 flights. And we've managed to land in 62 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:18,270 S2: the same city every night and never had a night apart. 63 00:03:18,310 --> 00:03:20,310 S2: So there you go. I wouldn't recommend that to everybody, 64 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:21,870 S2: but when you do the same job, you can kind 65 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:22,390 S2: of do that. 66 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:24,350 S1: Why did you get married in December? 67 00:03:25,389 --> 00:03:26,389 S3: We got married in June. 68 00:03:26,430 --> 00:03:29,150 S2: 21.5, so we got married in the sixth. We were 69 00:03:29,150 --> 00:03:30,670 S2: going to get married. We were gonna get married in 70 00:03:30,669 --> 00:03:33,030 S2: the 16th of December. But I realized you're not engaged 71 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:34,830 S2: to be engaged. So we got married in the 16th 72 00:03:34,830 --> 00:03:37,670 S2: of June instead. So every year on my birthday in 73 00:03:37,670 --> 00:03:39,710 S2: December is our half anniversary. So. 74 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:44,270 S1: Um, I was really, really excited when I held the 75 00:03:44,310 --> 00:03:47,510 S1: Sing Hymnal in my hands, curated by award winning hymn 76 00:03:47,510 --> 00:03:51,790 S1: writers Keith and Kristyn Getty. Um, because I wanted to see, 77 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:55,110 S1: you know, I wanted to see the hymns that you 78 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:57,430 S1: would include the newer hymns that you would include in 79 00:03:57,430 --> 00:04:00,110 S1: the older ones. And then I looked at it, and 80 00:04:00,110 --> 00:04:02,950 S1: it's more than with the index and all that. It's 81 00:04:02,950 --> 00:04:06,110 S1: more than a thousand pages. So I thought it would be, 82 00:04:06,270 --> 00:04:07,950 S1: you know, I have to get a loan to buy 83 00:04:07,950 --> 00:04:10,910 S1: this thing. And it's not. It's very even the hardcover 84 00:04:10,950 --> 00:04:15,630 S1: is very inexpensive for my taste. So this would make 85 00:04:15,630 --> 00:04:17,390 S1: a great Christmas gift. Let me just say, you didn't 86 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:19,190 S1: ask me to say that. I'm just telling you that. 87 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:19,950 S2: It's. 88 00:04:20,070 --> 00:04:21,229 S1: It's a wonderful thing. 89 00:04:21,589 --> 00:04:24,469 S2: Cross Crossway did an amazing job. You know, Joyce Dennis, 90 00:04:24,470 --> 00:04:27,070 S2: who's the head of Crossway, who's a who's a good friend, 91 00:04:27,070 --> 00:04:29,550 S2: really had a vision. He they had a vision for 92 00:04:29,550 --> 00:04:31,150 S2: a Bible and a hymnbook. And of course, it had 93 00:04:31,150 --> 00:04:34,150 S2: the ESV Bible. But his vision with the hymnal was 94 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:37,109 S2: to make something that was beautiful and beautiful to hold 95 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:40,350 S2: and beautiful to look at, and beautiful page textures. And 96 00:04:40,350 --> 00:04:43,790 S2: it is it is incredible. Like I worked, I dreamed 97 00:04:43,790 --> 00:04:46,790 S2: of this for ten years. I was in conversations about 98 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:49,029 S2: it for five years. I was working on it for 99 00:04:49,029 --> 00:04:51,750 S2: three years, but not until I actually held it in 100 00:04:51,750 --> 00:04:54,789 S2: my hand, as you just said Chris did. I actually realize, 101 00:04:54,830 --> 00:04:57,270 S2: you know, in an age where we have not been 102 00:04:57,270 --> 00:04:59,470 S2: able to curate all our hymns in one place, where 103 00:04:59,470 --> 00:05:03,390 S2: we have been looking at screens solely without anything that 104 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:05,950 S2: was actually concrete. And in an age where when you 105 00:05:05,950 --> 00:05:07,710 S2: think about where we are now and then the next 106 00:05:07,710 --> 00:05:10,789 S2: 15 years will be known in history as the 15 107 00:05:10,790 --> 00:05:13,790 S2: years of AI, you know, to actually have something that 108 00:05:13,790 --> 00:05:18,470 S2: is solid, that is physical, that is tangible, that, you know, 109 00:05:19,190 --> 00:05:20,950 S2: we set the vision for. This was different from the 110 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:23,070 S2: old vision for hymnals, the vision. We wanted to create 111 00:05:23,070 --> 00:05:25,390 S2: a hymnal that every Christian would have on their bookshelf 112 00:05:25,390 --> 00:05:28,390 S2: or at their bedside, that every family would have in 113 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:31,710 S2: their playroom or by their piano or in their living room. 114 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:34,909 S2: And then that hopefully as many churches as possible could 115 00:05:34,910 --> 00:05:37,350 S2: use it to curate hymns. But also, of course, as 116 00:05:37,350 --> 00:05:40,790 S2: you know, it's a Bible index. It's a it's every 117 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:43,270 S2: there's stories behind every single song, and it's created in 118 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:46,470 S2: three liturgies. And we include some of the great, obviously 119 00:05:46,470 --> 00:05:50,110 S2: lots of Bible verses, but also the great prayers and 120 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:53,460 S2: liturgies of Christian history. So all 20 centuries of Christian 121 00:05:53,460 --> 00:05:56,140 S2: history and witness and all six continents. So there's a 122 00:05:56,140 --> 00:05:58,979 S2: wonderful range as well as, as you say, we tried 123 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:02,020 S2: to create the first hymnal that really captured the modern 124 00:06:02,020 --> 00:06:04,940 S2: hymn movement of the past 25 years. And all this 125 00:06:04,980 --> 00:06:08,380 S2: and then some, some, some prayers from the speakers around that, from, 126 00:06:08,420 --> 00:06:11,860 S2: you know, MacArthur to Piper to Keller to Johnny Todd 127 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:14,580 S2: to Packer to all these wonderful, wonderful. 128 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:17,100 S1: Since you know what I really liked about it when 129 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:20,340 S1: I first opened it up is I can never remember 130 00:06:20,540 --> 00:06:23,860 S1: which is the text writer and which is the music writer, 131 00:06:23,860 --> 00:06:26,500 S1: unless it's Mendelssohn or Beethoven, you know, it's like, I 132 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:30,380 S1: know that. And usually it's above the first staff on 133 00:06:30,380 --> 00:06:32,660 S1: the left and the right. But what you did was 134 00:06:32,660 --> 00:06:37,820 S1: put words and music down at the bottom and then the, the, 135 00:06:38,260 --> 00:06:42,140 S1: whether it was the text of the hymn or the 136 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:44,940 S1: music of the hymn and who they are that just like, 137 00:06:44,980 --> 00:06:45,700 S1: spoke to me. 138 00:06:46,420 --> 00:06:49,300 S2: Yeah. No, no, the team did as I said. You know, 139 00:06:49,339 --> 00:06:51,099 S2: at the end of the day, I'm just the editor. 140 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:53,740 S2: I came up with the vision to create a hymnal, 141 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:56,300 S2: and I said, it's very different to other hymnals because 142 00:06:56,300 --> 00:06:59,500 S2: it's really for every Christian leader to have and for 143 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,940 S2: every family to have as it to me, to me, 144 00:07:01,980 --> 00:07:04,659 S2: it should sit beside your study Bible, you know, or 145 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:06,780 S2: sit beside your morning and evening devotions, and you should 146 00:07:06,779 --> 00:07:10,780 S2: be picking it up each day. And that's where my team. 147 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:11,420 S2: But it was. 148 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:13,420 S1: I have it right here. I have it right over 149 00:07:13,420 --> 00:07:16,140 S1: here is actually I've got two hymnals and there's a 150 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:18,460 S1: little bit of variation between yours and the other one 151 00:07:18,460 --> 00:07:19,940 S1: that I have here, and I want to talk about 152 00:07:19,940 --> 00:07:20,620 S1: that today. 153 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:22,100 S2: But ours is better. 154 00:07:22,220 --> 00:07:26,580 S1: It's, it's it's got a lot it's got a lot 155 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:29,060 S1: more pages. Okay. So here's one of the things that 156 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:32,100 S1: I wanted to do is you sent me an email 157 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:34,739 S1: yesterday and you said at the very top the heading 158 00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:38,900 S1: of this was, this is the best single we've ever done, 159 00:07:38,900 --> 00:07:40,900 S1: best single we've ever released. 160 00:07:41,140 --> 00:07:43,500 S2: It's because my daughter's okay. I'm just a dad. That 161 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:45,580 S2: was just a dad thing. It was dad. It was 162 00:07:45,580 --> 00:07:48,500 S2: a dad thing. That's all it was, Chris. It's. 163 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:51,420 S1: But it's you. I know, these are your daughters singing 164 00:07:51,420 --> 00:07:54,940 S1: with your wife. But they're really good, aren't they? 165 00:07:55,740 --> 00:07:58,780 S2: Yeah, I think they're getting there. They got some talent. 166 00:07:58,820 --> 00:08:01,620 S2: I mean, I asked, honestly, I asked if I could 167 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:03,980 S2: sing as well, and there's just this huge awkward silence 168 00:08:03,980 --> 00:08:06,860 S2: in the room. And so I've once again ended up 169 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:10,060 S2: the free piano player. Uh, who doesn't who doesn't cost 170 00:08:10,060 --> 00:08:11,780 S2: an extra hotel room? I mean, that's that's kind of 171 00:08:11,820 --> 00:08:12,940 S2: my role in this whole thing. 172 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:15,660 S1: Where did you record this? Would you record this in Nashville? 173 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:18,940 S2: Nashville. Recorded in Nashville. Um, and then we recorded. We 174 00:08:18,940 --> 00:08:21,780 S2: used the the wonderful new Irish choir they recorded over 175 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:24,220 S2: in Ireland in County Down. Um, after it was finished, 176 00:08:24,220 --> 00:08:26,780 S2: that lovely choir here in the last verse is the choir. 177 00:08:26,780 --> 00:08:28,900 S2: And they did such a stunning job with Jonathan Rea. 178 00:08:28,940 --> 00:08:29,780 S2: So beautiful. 179 00:08:29,820 --> 00:08:34,100 S1: Okay, so folks, this is a this is a song 180 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:38,380 S1: that was written for a Christmas Eve service in 1847. 181 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:42,459 S1: And you're going to hear the Getty's version of this. 182 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:43,940 S1: Can't play it right now. We're going to hear it 183 00:08:43,980 --> 00:08:46,500 S1: when we come back. But I want you to hear 184 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:49,220 S1: this and see if you can figure out what it is. 185 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:52,340 S1: We're going to play the whole thing. You're going to 186 00:08:52,340 --> 00:08:54,500 S1: hear that, and then I'm going to open the phone lines. 187 00:08:54,500 --> 00:09:00,060 S1: If you've always wanted to talk with Keith. Getty. (877) 548-3675. 188 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:03,219 S1: We're going to talk about this Christmas song, this hymn 189 00:09:03,220 --> 00:09:05,500 S1: that we're going to play. We're also going to talk 190 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:09,579 S1: about the hymnal and why Keith says we ought to 191 00:09:09,620 --> 00:09:12,740 S1: sing three old for every one new. Do you agree 192 00:09:12,740 --> 00:09:15,339 S1: with that? Let's talk about it. Keith Getty with us 193 00:09:15,340 --> 00:09:28,580 S1: straight ahead on Moody Radio. Keith Getty is with us 194 00:09:28,580 --> 00:09:30,980 S1: today at the radio backyard fence. And, oh, I've got 195 00:09:30,980 --> 00:09:32,940 S1: a new song for you. You may not have heard 196 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:35,420 S1: it yet. It's an old song, but it's newly done 197 00:09:35,420 --> 00:09:38,900 S1: by the Gettys, and I'm going to play that for 198 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:40,980 S1: you in just a minute. But first, I want to 199 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:44,060 S1: go into the story of this, and this is from 200 00:09:44,059 --> 00:09:47,100 S1: I was telling Keith, for anybody who gives who supports 201 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:50,809 S1: Chris Fabry live. We're sending Hosanna in Excelsis by David 202 00:09:50,809 --> 00:09:53,650 S1: and Barbara Lehman. Hymns and devotions for the Christmas Season 203 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:59,210 S1: has got 43 Christmas hymns, songs, and kind of the 204 00:09:59,210 --> 00:10:02,850 S1: story behind the hymns. And I told Keith one of 205 00:10:02,850 --> 00:10:06,410 S1: his is in here as well. Joy has dawned upon 206 00:10:06,410 --> 00:10:10,090 S1: the world and the story behind that. I'll tell you 207 00:10:10,090 --> 00:10:11,929 S1: more about that in a minute, but let's get to 208 00:10:11,970 --> 00:10:17,050 S1: this song for a Christmas Eve service. 1847 Placid Koppel 209 00:10:17,090 --> 00:10:19,130 S1: was asked by a parish priest in his town to 210 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:22,170 S1: write a Christmas poem. It is believed he actually wrote 211 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:26,569 S1: it while traveling in a stagecoach. Although Capote, who was 212 00:10:26,570 --> 00:10:30,970 S1: a socialist, had little belief in the Christmas story, he 213 00:10:30,970 --> 00:10:34,810 S1: realized upon completing the poem there was something special about it. 214 00:10:34,850 --> 00:10:39,530 S1: He asked a musician friend, Adolph Adams, to write a melody. 215 00:10:40,010 --> 00:10:45,010 S1: So in 1855, American journalist and Unitarian minister John Dwight 216 00:10:45,010 --> 00:10:50,770 S1: heard it translated it, and created the English edition, which 217 00:10:50,770 --> 00:10:55,250 S1: is basically what we sing today. Um, and here's what 218 00:10:55,290 --> 00:10:59,090 S1: David and Barbara write as you sing this hymn, or 219 00:10:59,130 --> 00:11:02,290 S1: as you listen to them today, listen to it, you 220 00:11:02,290 --> 00:11:06,050 S1: are experiencing a perfect example of how God uses all 221 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:09,970 S1: things and people to accomplish his purpose and display his glory. 222 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:13,850 S1: Written by a man with little belief in the Christmas story. 223 00:11:14,170 --> 00:11:19,370 S1: Put to music by a non-believing Jewish musician and translated 224 00:11:19,370 --> 00:11:24,730 S1: by the liberal theologian, this carol proclaims the truth in 225 00:11:24,730 --> 00:11:28,890 S1: a compelling song for the ages. Uh, and there's more 226 00:11:28,890 --> 00:11:32,370 S1: to it there. That's from the book. Hosanna in excelsis. 227 00:11:32,690 --> 00:11:34,610 S1: I'd love to send this to you. Go to Chris. 228 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:37,610 S1: Faber lives. Scroll down. You'll see how you can support 229 00:11:37,610 --> 00:11:41,010 S1: the program. And I'm just reading just a portion of 230 00:11:41,050 --> 00:11:44,530 S1: that backstory. Have you ever heard that backstory, Keith? 231 00:11:45,050 --> 00:11:47,250 S2: Yeah, it's completely true. In fact, none of the three 232 00:11:47,290 --> 00:11:50,650 S2: guys had any sympathy for the Christian gospel, but they all, 233 00:11:50,690 --> 00:11:52,730 S2: you know, they all were given beautiful gifts. But God, 234 00:11:52,770 --> 00:11:56,290 S2: I mean, probably the greatest theological Christmas have a few 235 00:11:56,290 --> 00:11:58,490 S2: people would argue the greatest theological hymn is Hark the 236 00:11:58,490 --> 00:12:00,490 S2: Herald Angels Sing. But we'd sing it to a tune 237 00:12:00,530 --> 00:12:03,329 S2: of Felix Mendelssohn, who wasn't a believer either. So, you know, 238 00:12:03,650 --> 00:12:05,530 S2: this has happened all through history. And even some of 239 00:12:05,530 --> 00:12:08,250 S2: the people who were Christians. Dear friend of dear friend 240 00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:10,929 S2: of your founder, Mr. Moody, was was the composer of 241 00:12:10,929 --> 00:12:13,530 S2: it as well, With My Soul, which is widely considered 242 00:12:13,530 --> 00:12:17,410 S2: the best hymn on assurance of salvation. And in the 243 00:12:17,410 --> 00:12:19,929 S2: last years of his life, it seems to all of 244 00:12:19,929 --> 00:12:22,570 S2: us that he kind of lost his faith. So, you know, 245 00:12:22,610 --> 00:12:25,010 S2: so there's a you know, this is a this is 246 00:12:25,010 --> 00:12:26,929 S2: the reality. I work when I work with hymn writers 247 00:12:26,929 --> 00:12:29,850 S2: every day, you know, and I am one to, to 248 00:12:29,890 --> 00:12:33,970 S2: some small degree. And so you realize just the, the 249 00:12:34,010 --> 00:12:36,970 S2: kindness of our Lord, you know, to use the gifts 250 00:12:36,970 --> 00:12:40,330 S2: of these people, you know, some some and, uh. Yeah. 251 00:12:40,890 --> 00:12:45,240 S1: And his sovereignty, too. He's working all things, you know, 252 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,360 S1: for our good and his glory. Okay, so now we 253 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,920 S1: come to this moment. We've built it up. This is 254 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,240 S1: the best thing you've ever released. And it's because it's 255 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,160 S1: got not only got your wife on it, but it's 256 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,480 S1: got your daughters on it. 257 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,560 S2: That was a private joke for me. 258 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:00,760 S1: No, it's true. 259 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,120 S2: Because of my girls. Because you've always followed my girls since. 260 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,760 S2: Since that. Since all those, uh. What was it called again? 261 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,280 S2: The Covid hymn sings. You were like those programs. Sure. 262 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,760 S2: So I just thought it'd be a fun thing. But 263 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,240 S2: thanks for telling the world I appreciate it. 264 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,280 S1: Okay, so. So in 22 days, it's Christmas Day. And 265 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,040 S1: I thought here on December 3rd, let's do a have 266 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,959 S1: a little Christmas, a little early. And that's what we're 267 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,000 S1: going to do right now listening to this song from 268 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:26,760 S1: the Getty's. 269 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:39,679 S4: O Holy Night, the stars are brightly shining. It is 270 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:49,640 S4: the night of our dear Savior's birth. La Conner lay 271 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:58,640 S4: the world in sin and error pining. Till he appeared. 272 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:09,040 S4: And the soul felt its worth. A thrill of hope. 273 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:19,080 S4: The weary world rejoices. For yonder breaks a new and 274 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:33,960 S4: glorious morn. For. La your knees. O hear the angel 275 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:49,600 S4: voices sing. Holy night. I divine. O night when Christ 276 00:14:49,600 --> 00:15:06,320 S4: was born. O night. Divine. O night, O night, divine. 277 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,480 S4: He taught us. 278 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:18,080 S5: To love one another. His law is love. And his 279 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:28,640 S5: gospel is peace. Chains shall he break. For the slave 280 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:39,240 S5: is our brother. And in his name all oppression shall cease. see. 281 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:50,200 S4: Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus. Raise. We let 282 00:15:50,200 --> 00:16:03,160 S4: all wind within us. Praise his holy name. Christ. The Lord. 283 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:25,640 S4: O praise his name forever. His power. And glory. Evermore. 284 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:49,670 S4: Proclaim his power. And glory. Read. More. Proclaim. For. Life. 285 00:16:50,310 --> 00:17:06,670 S4: Your knees. O hear the angel voices. O night. Divine. 286 00:17:09,190 --> 00:17:28,830 S4: O night when Christ was born. O night. Divine. O night, 287 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:36,189 S4: O night, divine. When. 288 00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:48,550 S1: I listen to that and I thought, that is such 289 00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:53,430 S1: a a gorgeous sound. And I wrote Keith back and 290 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:55,510 S1: I said, to be honest with you, when I hear 291 00:17:55,550 --> 00:18:00,109 S1: O Holy Night, some with some renditions of it, it's 292 00:18:00,109 --> 00:18:03,590 S1: almost like, uh, you got to see how high you 293 00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:05,989 S1: can sing and how, you know, the high note that 294 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:08,469 S1: you can hit. I said, when I listen to that, 295 00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:13,709 S1: there's something that's so relaxing about hearing them. There's no 296 00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:18,750 S1: there's no competition here. There's just a step into the word, 297 00:18:18,750 --> 00:18:23,870 S1: step into what happened back there, you know, 2000 years ago. So, Keith, 298 00:18:23,869 --> 00:18:25,270 S1: respond to that. What do you think? 299 00:18:26,030 --> 00:18:28,510 S2: Yeah. Thanks for saying that. That's really, really appreciate that, Chris. 300 00:18:28,550 --> 00:18:30,230 S2: I mean, that was that was the idea Chris and 301 00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:31,510 S2: I had looked at doing it over the years. We 302 00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:34,550 S2: did Irish Christmas in America for 15 years. And obviously 303 00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:37,790 S2: we know the power of that song in a show. Um, 304 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:41,790 S2: I think what was interesting with this version of it, um, 305 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:45,390 S2: was we, you know, it was Cantique de Noel, you know, 306 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:48,310 S2: it was written for a Christmas Eve service. It really 307 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:51,550 S2: wasn't supposed to be for about the singer. It wasn't 308 00:18:51,550 --> 00:18:55,070 S2: supposed to be about vocal acrobatics or or key changes 309 00:18:55,390 --> 00:18:59,230 S2: and counting. So it should have had a a Christmas 310 00:18:59,230 --> 00:19:02,830 S2: Eve service is a Eucharist. It's a communion. It's supposed 311 00:19:02,830 --> 00:19:06,550 S2: to have a sense of of catharsis almost in the 312 00:19:06,550 --> 00:19:10,750 S2: whole thing. And uh, and the context of it was, 313 00:19:10,790 --> 00:19:14,149 S2: was of, of a time of of of of a time, 314 00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:16,790 S2: a time of deep pain as well that they were 315 00:19:16,790 --> 00:19:20,389 S2: writing into as musicians and as artists. So we thought 316 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:22,470 S2: about it. This is the one that we want a 317 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:25,910 S2: mom to sing to her daughter in bed at night. Um, Kristen, 318 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:28,750 S2: during Covid, obviously we did. We did two things. We 319 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:31,070 S2: did the Family hymn sings with the girls, and then 320 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:33,469 S2: we did an album called Evensong and which was the 321 00:19:33,550 --> 00:19:36,629 S2: lullaby record. And, uh, and so we said, let's imagine 322 00:19:36,670 --> 00:19:39,510 S2: a kind of an evensong feel to it. The Christian 323 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:42,550 S2: sings with our two oldest girls that mums can sing 324 00:19:42,590 --> 00:19:44,510 S2: to their kids, you know, all around the world at 325 00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:47,550 S2: night time, and that it creates something that. So it 326 00:19:47,550 --> 00:19:49,590 S2: was just trying to let the song breathe. And I said, 327 00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:51,830 S2: our team did a beautiful job and it and it 328 00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:55,990 S2: has it has a natural classical feel. So it kind 329 00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:58,470 S2: of in that sense, it kind of arranges itself quite nicely. 330 00:19:58,750 --> 00:20:01,429 S1: Did you that was your oldest daughter singing on the 331 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:03,070 S1: lead and the second verse there. 332 00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:05,350 S2: That was. No. So the second daughter, the second daughter 333 00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:08,909 S2: does the high harmonies. And she our first daughter, our 334 00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:11,110 S2: first daughter does the low harmonies and she's obedient and 335 00:20:11,109 --> 00:20:13,189 S2: she does what she's told and she fits in the 336 00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:15,430 S2: second daughter. She does what she wants. So we have 337 00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:18,030 S2: to let her go first and do. Because if I 338 00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:19,909 S2: say to her, do a low harmony, she'll do a 339 00:20:19,910 --> 00:20:21,750 S2: high harmony. And if I say sing that note, she'll 340 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:23,510 S2: sing a different one. So we just had to let 341 00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:25,270 S2: her float first. And then when. 342 00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:28,190 S1: She's saying, who sang the lead on the second verse? 343 00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:31,390 S2: Then it started. It started Charlotte, the second daughter. Surely 344 00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:33,540 S2: he taught us to love one another. He looked like. 345 00:20:33,580 --> 00:20:36,660 S2: And then. And then Eliza came in after that. And Charlotte. 346 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:39,859 S2: Charlotte flipped to high harmonies. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so here's 347 00:20:39,859 --> 00:20:42,060 S2: my question. And in his name, all oppression shall cease. 348 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:44,980 S2: That's Eliza singing. That's Eliza singing that. But Charlotte's floating 349 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:45,899 S2: high above her. So. 350 00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:49,100 S1: So I want to know, uh, did you did you 351 00:20:49,140 --> 00:20:52,180 S1: work on the phrasing? Did you work on the interpretation 352 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:56,860 S1: of that? Because there was the. And Kristen did this, too. 353 00:20:56,900 --> 00:21:00,340 S1: It's not like exactly on the note. It's it's this 354 00:21:00,380 --> 00:21:03,699 S1: interpretation of it. Is that from them or did you 355 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:05,460 S1: did you help along those lines? 356 00:21:05,859 --> 00:21:08,860 S2: We helped along. But honestly they kind of do. They 357 00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:11,580 S2: do their own thing. They've grown up on the road, 358 00:21:11,619 --> 00:21:13,619 S2: they've grown up on the road, and they've their own 359 00:21:13,660 --> 00:21:16,060 S2: sort of musical intelligences. And so they do that. But 360 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:18,220 S2: they've also got they've also got a great vocal coach 361 00:21:18,260 --> 00:21:20,220 S2: as well. I mean, Kim Wood, Sandusky, he looks after 362 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:24,260 S2: Kristen as looked after them. And so, you know, they 363 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:26,780 S2: work they work hard. But but but most of that 364 00:21:26,780 --> 00:21:29,860 S2: was their personalities. You know we you set the lines. 365 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,179 S2: You you find the character of what they are and 366 00:21:32,180 --> 00:21:33,939 S2: what they want to do. I think with all the 367 00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:36,619 S2: musicians we work with, wherever they are, we're trying to find, 368 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:38,820 S2: we're trying to find what is the what is what 369 00:21:38,820 --> 00:21:41,300 S2: is our greatest strength. Even at the same conference which 370 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,780 S2: you've covered over the years. You know, every speaker, every 371 00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:46,380 S2: great speaker in America has different strengths. He just has. 372 00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:48,380 S2: It's how God makes him. So you you try to 373 00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:50,659 S2: fit them all into the things that they do best and, 374 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:53,260 S2: and try and create, you know, nice pictures out of that. 375 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,859 S2: And I think it's the same with working with working 376 00:21:55,859 --> 00:21:56,620 S2: with the girls. 377 00:21:56,820 --> 00:22:00,379 S1: The tone though, the tone and then the the harmonies. 378 00:22:00,380 --> 00:22:04,500 S1: You can hit harmonies with people, with anybody that can sing. 379 00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:09,700 S1: But there's something about family harmony or children with parents, right? 380 00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:13,219 S2: No, I totally agree, Chris. I mean, again, as you 381 00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:16,460 S2: know from our private email that you broadcast, you know, I, 382 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:19,980 S2: you know, this is there's nothing special, but but that 383 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:22,179 S2: doesn't have to be in a recording. Obviously, this is 384 00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:25,660 S2: our family business. Our family farm is, is is music. 385 00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:27,420 S2: So we get to do that. But I think that's 386 00:22:27,420 --> 00:22:30,580 S2: the same for everyone out there. There is something special 387 00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:33,580 S2: about you and your family singing O come, let us 388 00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:37,620 S2: adore him, Christ the Lord. You know of singing, of singing. 389 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:40,660 S2: How silently, how silently the wondrous gift is given. So 390 00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:44,179 S2: God imparts to human hearts the blessings of his heaven. 391 00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:46,500 S2: No ear may hear his coming. But in this world 392 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:48,379 S2: of sin, where meek souls will receive him, still the 393 00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:51,220 S2: dear Christ enters in. Or Hark the herald or silent night. 394 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:53,540 S2: Do silent night in harmony as a family this Christmas. 395 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:58,060 S2: You know there's something beautiful about. About family singing together. And, uh, 396 00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:00,899 S2: you know, the best way to have a singing church 397 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:03,860 S2: is to have families who sing together six days. It's 398 00:23:03,859 --> 00:23:05,100 S2: the number one way. So. 399 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:10,060 S1: Um, my oldest daughter got me a, like, 4 or 400 00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:12,940 S1: 5 hymnals a few years ago, and that's when when 401 00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:15,300 S1: I opened them on Christmas morning, that's the first thing 402 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:18,070 S1: we did was opened it, and we got 4 or 403 00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:20,619 S1: 5 of us around, and we were singing these harmonies. 404 00:23:20,619 --> 00:23:23,540 S1: And you're right, it's just if you can read those 405 00:23:23,540 --> 00:23:27,139 S1: notes and you can hit those, those notes, there's nothing 406 00:23:27,140 --> 00:23:30,500 S1: like that blend of the of the heart to heart 407 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:35,300 S1: with families. But you want that to happen in churches, too. Um, 408 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:38,780 S1: and I saw this the I mentioned before the break. 409 00:23:38,859 --> 00:23:42,100 S1: You said on one podcast we ought to sing three 410 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:45,220 S1: old hymns for every new one in our church services. 411 00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:46,540 S1: Why did you say that? 412 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:48,660 S2: Well, it was, and obviously that's kind of putting myself 413 00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:50,659 S2: out of business in the process. But that was, um, 414 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,020 S2: that was J.I. Packer. I had the privilege of doing 415 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:55,580 S2: the last interview of Jim Packer's life. He obviously, you know, 416 00:23:55,619 --> 00:23:57,460 S2: wrote all those books, like Knowing God. And then was 417 00:23:57,460 --> 00:24:00,380 S2: he was the editor of the English Standard Version, the ESV, 418 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,460 S2: and the last interview. And it was, um, he'd never 419 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:06,380 S2: he felt very strongly about worship, but he was so 420 00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:09,540 S2: confused by it, he didn't feel qualified to write a book. 421 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:10,659 S2: So I said, well, why don't you just do an 422 00:24:10,660 --> 00:24:13,860 S2: interview and share your thoughts? That would be helpful, Jim. 423 00:24:13,859 --> 00:24:15,420 S2: And so he did it. And we did we I 424 00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:17,619 S2: think we got three I think we got did we 425 00:24:17,619 --> 00:24:19,780 S2: get six hours in total of just talking about it. 426 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:23,340 S2: And it was it was wonderful. You know, it was wonderful. 427 00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:25,860 S2: And in that he said, you know, I don't understand 428 00:24:25,859 --> 00:24:28,490 S2: why we don't do three all for every new, he says, 429 00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:32,290 S2: because the pastoral value is from a pastoral point of view. 430 00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:35,850 S2: And parents, I hope you're thinking about this is the 431 00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:39,449 S2: pastoral role of a classic hymn in your children's life. 432 00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:43,250 S2: Is a 50 year gift is probably almost certain. His 433 00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:46,530 S2: point was it's almost certainly a 50 year gift. Whereas 434 00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:51,050 S2: the pastoral value of a contemporary song is almost certainly 435 00:24:51,050 --> 00:24:53,889 S2: a five year gift. So why wouldn't you give your 436 00:24:53,890 --> 00:24:56,370 S2: your family something that they carry with them for 50 years? 437 00:24:56,369 --> 00:24:58,290 S2: And so that was his logic on it. I mean, 438 00:24:58,330 --> 00:24:59,970 S2: it's not a law. It's not a law. That was 439 00:24:59,970 --> 00:25:02,490 S2: just a recommendation by a wise old saint who has 440 00:25:02,490 --> 00:25:03,409 S2: gone to be with the Lord. 441 00:25:03,609 --> 00:25:06,490 S1: Oh, I love it. I love and to to get 442 00:25:06,490 --> 00:25:09,410 S1: to speak with him there toward the end of of 443 00:25:09,450 --> 00:25:11,850 S1: his days. Must have been a real kick. I have 444 00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:14,130 S1: so many more questions for you, though. Keep going. Keith 445 00:25:14,130 --> 00:25:16,570 S1: Getty is with us today at the radio backyard fence. 446 00:25:16,570 --> 00:25:18,570 S1: I'm going to open the phone lines. One of the 447 00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:21,890 S1: questions I asked on Facebook was, what is your favorite 448 00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:26,690 S1: Christmas hymn or carol? Amy said, the first Noel. Linda said, oh, 449 00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:30,210 S1: little town of Bethlehem, Ruth. Silent night, she said it 450 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:34,850 S1: invokes worship. What about you? Your favorite hymn, Christmas hymn 451 00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:39,010 S1: or carol? It's probably included in the hymnal, the new 452 00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:43,729 S1: sing Hymnal. We have it linked at Christmas. Here's the 453 00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:50,850 S1: number (877) 548-3675. More with Keith Getty straight ahead on Moody Radio. 454 00:26:03,770 --> 00:26:06,369 S1: This is Chris Fabry live. Keith Getty is with us 455 00:26:06,369 --> 00:26:09,370 S1: at the radio backyard fence. Oh, I'm so excited because 456 00:26:09,369 --> 00:26:12,889 S1: I've got the sing hymnal in front of me. It's 457 00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:16,649 S1: more than a thousand pages with all the hymns, with 458 00:26:16,690 --> 00:26:21,530 S1: the readings that are included in here. It's it's just gorgeous. 459 00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:24,170 S1: It's a gorgeous thing to hold, but then to dig 460 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:27,730 S1: into and read devotionally if you want to, or to 461 00:26:27,770 --> 00:26:31,609 S1: sing from it. If you want to talk with Keith, 462 00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:35,890 S1: give me a call (877) 548-3675. As a matter of fact, 463 00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:38,290 S1: let's go to Linda in Iowa. Linda, why did you 464 00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:39,050 S1: call today? 465 00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:43,210 S6: Um, just, uh, happened to have the radio on while 466 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:47,689 S6: I'm decorating for Christmas and, uh, caught your show. And, 467 00:26:47,730 --> 00:26:50,090 S6: of course, uh, o Holy Night is one of my 468 00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:54,610 S6: favorite Christmas hymns. And, um, just in the last year, 469 00:26:54,609 --> 00:26:58,410 S6: I have really, um, I've gotten a hymnal and I 470 00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:00,850 S6: go through all the old hymns, and I find it 471 00:27:00,850 --> 00:27:06,090 S6: so rich. And so it brings me so close to God. Um, 472 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:08,770 S6: and I've been going. I've memorized a lot. I've been 473 00:27:08,770 --> 00:27:11,170 S6: memorizing a lot of hymns. And then when I can't 474 00:27:11,170 --> 00:27:13,290 S6: sleep in the middle of the night, I. The hymns 475 00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:15,410 S6: come to me and I go back to sleep. 476 00:27:15,410 --> 00:27:18,690 S1: So you're speaking our love language. All right, Keith, respond 477 00:27:18,690 --> 00:27:19,209 S1: to that. 478 00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:20,889 S3: No, I. 479 00:27:21,369 --> 00:27:23,720 S2: Totally agree with you. You know, my grandparents both had 480 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,919 S2: a hymnal by their bedside, you know. And, you know, 481 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,359 S2: people people sometimes think, you know, oh, our church uses screen. 482 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,920 S2: We don't need hymnals anymore. But that was probably 5% 483 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,080 S2: of the value of a hymnal. And to be able 484 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,720 S2: to open it up first thing in the morning with 485 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,240 S2: your devotional times, or to be able to read it 486 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,600 S2: last thing at night, to sing it with your family 487 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,359 S2: is important, but it also it also points to a 488 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,520 S2: couple of other things. It's called curation the Bible. Don't forget, 489 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,600 S2: the Bible is 20% hymns and poetry so that God 490 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,040 S2: texts hymns and poetry very seriously. But he doesn't just 491 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,439 S2: give us a bunch of hymns. He gives us a 492 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,239 S2: hymnal as well with the Psalms, you know. So and so. 493 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,800 S2: We need the the balance of these songs are wonderful, 494 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,840 S2: and often they're counterintuitive to our culture. But the other 495 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,280 S2: thing which you're kind of alluding to is the beautiful 496 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,000 S2: poetry of the hymns is extraordinary. You know, if you 497 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,160 S2: do a hymnal, if you're choosing a song for Sunday, 498 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,600 S2: it's what songs sing well with our church. If you're 499 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,320 S2: choosing for hymnal, you always have to ask, could we 500 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,800 S2: sing this hymn for the next 30 years? So it's 501 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,840 S2: a it's a totally different lens through which you choose songs. 502 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,480 S2: And then and then the poetry has to lean. You 503 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,240 S2: always have to have a poetry committee or a group 504 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,000 S2: of poets who go. We like the poetry. So it 505 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,440 S2: it immediately changes the sort of the style of song 506 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,040 S2: that you have to do in the book, and that's 507 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,560 S2: what makes it so rich and valuable. And we went 508 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,960 S2: on ahead and did a lot of liturgies and prayers 509 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,160 S2: alongside this, just so that we had that sense of 510 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,880 S2: different subjects, all 20 centuries of Christian history and even 511 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,080 S2: prayers from around the world. Because, you know, that's the 512 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,400 S2: beautiful thing about being in God's family is we're all 513 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,320 S2: so different and we can learn from each other's differences 514 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,280 S2: and contexts. 515 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:55,920 S3: Yeah. 516 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,160 S1: Linda, thanks for your call today. Thank you. Okay. I 517 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,480 S1: got a bone to pick with you, though, Keith, because 518 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,360 S1: I turned to Chris. I turn to page ten. Yeah, 519 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,200 S1: to come. And we've talked about this before, and I'm 520 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200 S1: surprised because, uh, you knew that I was going to 521 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,520 S1: bring this up to you on on one hymn or another. Come, 522 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,720 S1: thou fount of every blessing. Tune my heart to sing 523 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,560 S1: thy grace. Streams of mercy never ceasing. Call for songs 524 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,320 S1: of loudest praise. Teach me some melodious sonnet sung by 525 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,920 S1: flaming tongues above. Praise the mount, I'm fixed upon it. 526 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,920 S1: Mount of thy redeeming love. And then I get to 527 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,720 S1: the second verse. And I've got my other hymnal here 528 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,720 S1: that says. Here I raise my Ebenezer. Hither by thy 529 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,080 S1: help I'm come, and I hope by thy good pleasure 530 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,240 S1: safely to arrive at home. Jesus sought me when a stranger. 531 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,920 S1: That's that's the other hymnal. Your hymnal says, not here. 532 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,640 S1: I raise my head an easier but hither to thy 533 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,440 S1: love hath blessed me. Thou hast brought me to this place. 534 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,160 S1: And I know thy hand will lead me safely home. 535 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,160 S1: By thy good grace Jesus sought me as a stranger. 536 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,880 S1: So why did you take. Why did you remove the 537 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,720 S1: Ebenezer from my favorite song? From my favorite hymn? 538 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,440 S2: I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you. I didn't 539 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,160 S2: know we had. I've just realized I'm livid. I'm absolutely livid. 540 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,080 S2: So I've got caught out on the air. I've got 541 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,040 S2: caught out on the air. I got you. Oh, my 542 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240 S2: first gotcha of 2025. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to 543 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,040 S2: just look at this, boys. I'm gonna have to look 544 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,520 S2: at this. This. I'm writing. I'm writing this down. Okay. 545 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,320 S1: So the reason why, you know, we talk about archaic language, 546 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,480 S1: and we talked about even this specific one before. The 547 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,520 S1: Ebenezer is the Stone of remembrance. And so people will say, well, 548 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,760 S1: people don't know what that is. And my my contention 549 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,720 S1: always is teach them what it means and let them 550 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,360 S1: sing it. 551 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,560 S2: Right. So so so okay, so so, um, I now 552 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,560 S2: recognize exactly what happened. This this conversation went around and 553 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,200 S2: one of the people involved in the project, they used 554 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,640 S2: their edit of it. I'm not sure it was a 555 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,600 S2: good idea. I'm not sure that was a good idea. 556 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,640 S2: The the logic is the logic is constantly trying to 557 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,550 S2: make songs work for the contemporary church. So there's three 558 00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:19,590 S2: hymns in the book, for example, that I did change 559 00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:23,590 S2: the lyrics on. Those were, uh, Victory in Jesus because 560 00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:26,110 S2: a lot of conservative churches refused to do it because 561 00:31:26,110 --> 00:31:29,470 S2: of what they consider loose and unhelpful theology. Um, the 562 00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:32,310 S2: second was Jesus, keep me near the cross, because two 563 00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:36,310 S2: of the verses are just ununderstandable to modern congregations. And 564 00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:38,270 S2: the third one, we didn't change the words, but was 565 00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:40,910 S2: here is love vast as the ocean. We added two verses, 566 00:31:41,270 --> 00:31:44,070 S2: and that was from having done those songs in churches 567 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:47,709 S2: and realizing these are just not going to fly unless 568 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:51,070 S2: unless we do something. This one, this one I'm not 569 00:31:51,070 --> 00:31:54,390 S2: excited about because I tend to agree with you. You know, 570 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:57,870 S2: like we there's there's a tendency there's there's art and 571 00:31:57,870 --> 00:32:00,550 S2: communication are two different things. So the person who's in 572 00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:03,950 S2: the person who's involved in advertising and graphic design, they're 573 00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:06,830 S2: closer to communication. The person who's involved in novel writing 574 00:32:06,830 --> 00:32:10,470 S2: is closer to art. You know, JK Rowling to take 575 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:15,030 S2: the most successful writer of, of, of the last 50 years, 576 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,910 S2: you know, isn't trying to appeal to six year old 577 00:32:17,910 --> 00:32:22,110 S2: children by making everything understandable to them. She's doing it 578 00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:26,150 S2: by appealing to their imaginations and thus taking their whole 579 00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:29,710 S2: beings on a journey of understanding. And I think that's 580 00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:32,190 S2: one of the things that modern churches, and I see 581 00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:34,510 S2: it as much with charismatics as I see it, with fundamentalists, 582 00:32:34,510 --> 00:32:36,910 S2: as I see it within the reformed community. We need 583 00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:39,550 S2: to be very careful that while we want people to 584 00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:44,790 S2: understand things better, sometimes the arch of Poetry helps us understand. 585 00:32:44,790 --> 00:32:47,870 S2: For example, Charles Wesley's the most successful hymn writer in 586 00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:51,350 S2: the English language. He wrote to him about becoming a Christian. 587 00:32:51,630 --> 00:32:54,070 S2: Now it doesn't go. There are two ways to live 588 00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:56,590 S2: darkness and light. And I chose. I chose the right 589 00:32:56,590 --> 00:32:58,310 S2: one and said sorry for my sins, and the Lord 590 00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:01,110 S2: forgive me my unrighteousness. He didn't do that. He wrote. 591 00:33:01,150 --> 00:33:05,270 S2: He wrote this. He wrote. Long my imprisoned spirit lay fast, 592 00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:07,430 S2: bound in sin and nature's. 593 00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:08,230 S1: Night night. 594 00:33:08,350 --> 00:33:12,030 S2: Thine I diffused a quickening ray. And listen to the 595 00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:15,870 S2: speed I woke. The dungeon flamed Inflamed with light. My 596 00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:19,350 S2: chains fell off. My heart was free. I rose, went 597 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:21,710 S2: forth and followed it. Now what he's doing is multiple things. 598 00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:25,510 S2: There he's creating unique words which you will never forget. 599 00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:30,030 S2: He's creating a growing temple which is almost accelerating. He's using, 600 00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:32,390 S2: I think, four of the five human senses as he 601 00:33:32,390 --> 00:33:35,710 S2: goes through it. But he's he's he's opening it up 602 00:33:35,910 --> 00:33:38,550 S2: in a way that is not that is that is 603 00:33:38,550 --> 00:33:41,310 S2: not just trying to be like, theologically sound and make 604 00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:43,510 S2: sure he takes a box or making sure that most 605 00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:46,150 S2: people can understand it as fast as possible. No, he's 606 00:33:46,150 --> 00:33:49,470 S2: wanting you to have to work this out because that's 607 00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:52,110 S2: what art does. So we do have to be so 608 00:33:52,110 --> 00:33:55,270 S2: careful sometimes that the beauty of that poetry, and the 609 00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:58,270 S2: reason that an can it be has been more helpful 610 00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:01,510 S2: about conversion than almost any other hymn is because he 611 00:34:01,550 --> 00:34:05,430 S2: deliberately didn't try and be simple or easily understandable. He 612 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:08,230 S2: went for beauty because that's how God made us. God 613 00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:11,550 S2: made us not to look at everything in an obvious way, 614 00:34:11,630 --> 00:34:13,630 S2: but to be attracted to beauty. 615 00:34:13,910 --> 00:34:18,950 S1: Well, your your hymnal has. And can it be twice. Yeah. 616 00:34:18,989 --> 00:34:21,550 S1: They're 396 and 225. 617 00:34:21,590 --> 00:34:22,750 S2: There's a reason for that. 618 00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:23,469 S1: Okay. Why. 619 00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:25,110 S2: So we wanted to do the tune. We wanted to 620 00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:28,230 S2: do the traditional tune, but we also wanted to allow 621 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:31,310 S2: a little room in this book for, for choral settings. So, 622 00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:34,390 S2: for example, the famous Lord's Prayer that you would have, 623 00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:36,630 S2: you know, the Lord's Prayer, our father who art in heaven, 624 00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:39,109 S2: which would typically be sung by choirs. We included that 625 00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:41,550 S2: the the book finishes with the Hallelujah Chorus by Handel. 626 00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:43,950 S2: We got permission to put in the Hallelujah Chorus, but 627 00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:46,470 S2: we also wanted a choral version of And Can It Be? 628 00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:49,430 S2: And this version is just a really special choral version. 629 00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:52,190 S2: So that was just a little encouragement to choirs in 630 00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:53,950 S2: the modern day to try and say, we still think 631 00:34:53,950 --> 00:34:56,550 S2: you have a really important role in language. 632 00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:59,190 S1: I want to come back to victory in Jesus because 633 00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:03,630 S1: that intrigues me. But Beth is in Cape Coral, Florida. Hi, Beth. 634 00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:04,430 S1: Go right ahead. 635 00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:08,990 S7: Hey, I just wanted to say also thank you to 636 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:13,339 S7: Keith and his wife, Christian may have blessed us for 637 00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:16,180 S7: so many years. We sing their hands in our church 638 00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:19,580 S7: and I just wanted to thank him for his ministry. Thanks, Beth. 639 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:23,739 S7: And also when I, um, when I tried to think 640 00:35:23,739 --> 00:35:27,780 S7: of my favorite hymn. Are you familiar with Martin Lloyd-Jones? 641 00:35:28,219 --> 00:35:28,900 S8: I am. 642 00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:35,780 S7: Yeah, well, I have his Westminster hymn book. Um, and 643 00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:38,140 S7: so because I used to live in Bermuda with my 644 00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:41,500 S7: husband and, um, anyway, there's a hymn in there, and 645 00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,660 S7: I don't know the title of it. Can I read 646 00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:44,859 S7: it to you? It's a really short. 647 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:46,100 S1: Sure, sure. 648 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:51,419 S7: Love came down at Christmas. Love. All lovely love. Divine 649 00:35:51,739 --> 00:35:56,980 S7: love was born at Christmas. Star and angels gave the sign. Worship. 650 00:35:56,980 --> 00:36:02,580 S7: We the Godhead, love incarnate love divine worship. We are Jesus, 651 00:36:02,739 --> 00:36:07,060 S7: but we're with for sacred sign. Love shall be our token. 652 00:36:07,219 --> 00:36:10,540 S7: Love be yours and love be mine. Love to God 653 00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:14,859 S7: and to all men. Love for plea and gift and sign. 654 00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:17,620 S7: That's by Christina Georgina Rossetti. 655 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:22,740 S1: Yes, and it's on page 775, I think, in your hymnal. Keith, 656 00:36:22,739 --> 00:36:23,339 S1: isn't it? 657 00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:25,540 S9: Oh my goodness, no way. 658 00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:27,980 S1: Yeah, talk about that. 659 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,660 S2: Yeah. It's beautiful. Well, the actual setting we did in 660 00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:32,820 S2: this book is actually my setting. I actually did it, 661 00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:36,020 S2: I wrote it, it's very special to me because it's, um, 662 00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:38,580 S2: I think I think it has a collect. First of all, 663 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:40,739 S2: it has a connection to Ireland. I know, but but 664 00:36:40,739 --> 00:36:42,180 S2: I actually wrote the tune to that when I was, 665 00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:45,420 S2: I think just 14 years old. So, so that's um, that's, 666 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:48,219 S2: that's the very first, it's the very first musical setting 667 00:36:48,219 --> 00:36:50,660 S2: I ever did of a hymn. And so it's a real, 668 00:36:50,660 --> 00:36:54,180 S2: real special hymn. I'm so glad you picked it. 669 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:59,020 S1: 755 if you get this sing hymnal, it's on page 755. 670 00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:02,339 S1: Love came down at Christmas. And the other thing that 671 00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:09,900 S1: you have here in the margins than are readings of poems. 672 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:14,219 S1: There's one on the next page by Edward Caswall, who 673 00:37:14,219 --> 00:37:18,739 S1: lived in the 1800s. See, amid the winter snow. And. 674 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:22,899 S1: And others. But, uh, so this the song that I'm 675 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:26,100 S1: looking at here. Three, four time with one flat, whatever 676 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,859 S1: that is. Uh, love came down at Christmas. You wrote 677 00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:31,380 S1: that song, that tune when you were 14. 678 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:32,260 S8: Yeah. 679 00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:35,980 S2: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 680 00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:39,859 S1: How did you do that? How do you do that 681 00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:40,779 S1: at 14? 682 00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:44,060 S2: I don't know, you just. Do you just, you know, 683 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,980 S2: I always I loved I always loved poetry. The poetry 684 00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:49,500 S2: of the words was beautiful. And also I think someone 685 00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:51,660 S2: just gave me a chance. You know, the music teacher 686 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:54,340 S2: in our school loved high church music. He was a 687 00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:56,580 S2: student of Bill Lloyd Webber, who would have been the 688 00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:59,540 S2: father of Andrew Lloyd Webber and was was the organist 689 00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:02,060 S2: of Saint Paul's, organist at St Paul's Cathedral in London 690 00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:04,980 S2: and uh, and so, so he got me into just 691 00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:08,450 S2: beautiful choral music and I just, I just, I just wanted, 692 00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:11,370 S2: I wanted a more a warmer version. I thought love 693 00:38:11,410 --> 00:38:13,290 S2: came down at Christmas. The version we had was just, 694 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:15,730 S2: it seemed a little stoic, and I wanted something that 695 00:38:15,730 --> 00:38:17,610 S2: was just a little bit warmer. So that's what we did. 696 00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:20,930 S1: We're talking about a lot of things with Keith Getty 697 00:38:20,969 --> 00:38:24,250 S1: here today. The Sing Hymnal is our featured resource. Chris 698 00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:29,009 S1: Fabriclive makes a great family Christmas gift, where you can 699 00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:31,529 S1: all gather around and sing, where you can put it 700 00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:35,050 S1: on your nightstand. As Keith has been saying, oh Holy Night, 701 00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:38,730 S1: the new song is out wherever you stream music, and 702 00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:53,609 S1: there's more straight ahead here on Moody Radio. I love 703 00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:57,450 S1: talking with Keith Candy about singing, about hymns, about the heart, 704 00:38:57,450 --> 00:39:00,290 S1: about poetry. And we're doing that today at the radio 705 00:39:00,290 --> 00:39:03,529 S1: Backyard Fence. The Sing Hymnal is out, and you can 706 00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:05,410 S1: hold it in your hands as well. We've got a 707 00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:11,650 S1: link right there, Chris. And Nancy is in Jupiter, Florida. Nancy, 708 00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:13,010 S1: tell me why you called today. 709 00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:19,410 S10: Hi. I called to thank Keith, and I hope he 710 00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:21,890 S10: will pass on my thanks to Kristen as well for 711 00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:22,650 S10: their amazing. 712 00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:23,370 S11: Oh, well. Thank you. 713 00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:28,570 S10: Um, really, I feel like you guys are grandparents in Christ. 714 00:39:28,570 --> 00:39:32,050 S10: As Chip stamps started bringing your music to Raspberry Ridge 715 00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:35,810 S10: Strings Camp when my children were very young and it 716 00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:40,529 S10: was in Christ alone that really settled in my heart. 717 00:39:40,530 --> 00:39:42,890 S10: And so 19 years ago, when we had to bury 718 00:39:42,930 --> 00:39:46,489 S10: our youngest son, it was that hymn that my children 719 00:39:46,489 --> 00:39:49,770 S10: played even at their brother's funeral. And I just can't 720 00:39:49,770 --> 00:39:53,330 S10: thank you for the investment you made in bringing theologically 721 00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:57,569 S10: strong music that can be sung by modern people. And 722 00:39:57,570 --> 00:40:00,330 S10: it has meant the world to me, and I've always 723 00:40:00,330 --> 00:40:02,049 S10: dreamed of being able to thank you. So this is 724 00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:03,490 S10: a super blessing to me. 725 00:40:05,770 --> 00:40:06,569 S1: I love it. 726 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:09,890 S2: I love that she has made my day. She has 727 00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:11,890 S2: made my day. I'm not kidding you. I'm not kidding. 728 00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:14,010 S2: That is the kindest thing I've heard, you know. 729 00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:18,930 S1: And do you see what music. Nancy, you just told 730 00:40:18,930 --> 00:40:21,890 S1: us what music can do in the middle of the 731 00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:26,010 S1: deepest grief. The deepest, you know. Look at Psalm 23. 732 00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:29,170 S1: You look at Psalm 22. The valley of the shadow 733 00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:32,010 S1: of death. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? 734 00:40:32,330 --> 00:40:38,450 S1: The psalmist gave words to our deepest longings, and that 735 00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:41,770 S1: music can can buoy us. That's what you want to 736 00:40:41,770 --> 00:40:44,650 S1: do with each song that you write and sing, right, Keith? 737 00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:48,569 S2: Absolutely. You know, and God made us that way. You know, 738 00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:50,890 S2: people sometimes go and people are more interested in the 739 00:40:50,890 --> 00:40:52,649 S2: songs than they are the sermon. Well, that's because God 740 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:56,170 S2: actually made them that way, which only isn't. Which doesn't 741 00:40:56,170 --> 00:40:59,129 S2: mean we ban the songs. It means let's make sure 742 00:40:59,130 --> 00:41:02,290 S2: we sing great songs. You know, every parent out there, 743 00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:06,210 S2: every pastor out right there. If they are not overseeing 744 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:09,730 S2: and deeply caring and modeling what singing is to their 745 00:41:09,730 --> 00:41:13,610 S2: children and to their congregations, you have to question, you know, 746 00:41:13,810 --> 00:41:16,850 S2: how how wise they're they're they're loving their children are 747 00:41:16,850 --> 00:41:20,650 S2: loving their congregation because it really has that power. But but, Nancy, 748 00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:24,330 S2: that was one of the most just extraordinary, encouraging and 749 00:41:24,370 --> 00:41:27,770 S2: humbling comments. And it's put wind in my sails. So 750 00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:29,130 S2: thank you for your encouragement today. 751 00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:31,489 S1: What a connection. Nancy, did you have anything else you 752 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:32,290 S1: wanted to say? 753 00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:34,170 S9: Well. 754 00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:37,009 S10: Thank you so much. I see in my mind the 755 00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:39,930 S10: pictures of you and Kristen standing by Chip's bedside in 756 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:42,850 S10: the hospital and his final days, and we continue to 757 00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:45,529 S10: sing those hymns. And I can't wait to get a 758 00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:48,730 S10: copy of this. I love your putting it on the nightstand. 759 00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:49,650 S10: Mine is by. 760 00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:51,049 S2: Um, that's. 761 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:54,090 S10: Great. By my prayer chair in the living room, but I'm. 762 00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:56,530 S10: I'm ordering one and it's going on the bed day. 763 00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:57,690 S10: What a great idea. 764 00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:58,569 S1: I love. 765 00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:00,649 S2: It. That's wonderful. You know, I got a funny story 766 00:42:00,650 --> 00:42:03,160 S2: about that. I went to Chip. Chip and Doris were 767 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,520 S2: in hospital at the time, and I am. I played 768 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,160 S2: in that song and they wanted to video it. They 769 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,720 S2: videoed me playing. I think it was the Magnificat. I 770 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,799 S2: hadn't recorded it yet and I was just trying it out. 771 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,440 S2: So I was going to play it and there's this 772 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,560 S2: lovely video of us doing it, and it was a 773 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,759 S2: really sweet moment. Then the video goes off and it 774 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,640 S2: went viral on the internet and people kept going, that's 775 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,480 S2: just lovely. You played that. But like as soon as 776 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,879 S2: it finished, Chip was just telling me all the things 777 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,560 S2: he didn't like about it. And so all I remember 778 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,320 S2: from the meeting was Chip going, I think you're grammatically 779 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,440 S2: wrong there, you know? But he was a sweet soul. 780 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,600 S2: And and his daughter got up at the launch of 781 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,359 S2: the sin conference, and, um, we got to hear from 782 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,560 S2: her and their family's legacy. Of course, their great uncle 783 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,799 S2: was John Stam. And then Doris, his wife, arranged for 784 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,439 S2: us to get a lot of their hymnal, their Family 785 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,160 S2: Hymnal collection. And I look at it every day, and 786 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,640 S2: I hope, I hope that this little hymnal can add 787 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,800 S2: to all those hymnals that Doris, you know, gave us 788 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,400 S2: and all the people, all the people from all the 789 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,399 S2: generations who have passed on, and that this hymn will 790 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040 S2: be a way for all of our children to pass 791 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,840 S2: on their faith. 792 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,080 S1: There is a, uh, an audio thing that you did that, uh, Ryan, 793 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,520 S1: do you still have that, uh, of you sitting down 794 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,720 S1: at the at the piano? Listen to this. 795 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,200 S2: I set my hope in. Jesus was a song I 796 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,280 S2: started last year. I was just sitting at this piano. 797 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,400 S2: And then my papa came and does what he does 798 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,360 S2: and makes everything sound better. And then boss came in 799 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,600 S2: and we were just discussing at the end of the year, 800 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,120 S2: maybe you have to start over Christmas. How many people 801 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,960 S2: were encouraged with who have encouraged us in their faith 802 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,360 S2: and their faithfulness, but also how many were disappointed we've lost? 803 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,840 S2: And this song really takes the three kind of areas 804 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,440 S2: of losing our faith. Uh, look, first verse is the 805 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,920 S2: doubts of our mind are intellectual doubts. The second verse 806 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,560 S2: is temptation and failure. And when we fail, a lot 807 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,719 S2: of people, rather than repentant of failure, when the Lord 808 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,080 S2: is longing to forgive them, just lose their faith on it. 809 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,319 S2: And the third thing is perseverance as we go on 810 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,560 S2: in the Christian walk. And this song is encouraging all 811 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,200 S2: of us to set our hope in Jesus. This beautiful chorus. 812 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,960 S1: I set my hope on Jesus. It's number 616 in 813 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000 S1: the hymnal. And, uh, you can you can hear more 814 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200 S1: about that. But I just wanted to play that because 815 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,360 S1: this is taking us right there to that grand piano 816 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,640 S1: where you, uh, where you write some of your music. Right? 817 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,000 S2: Well, it brings us round, full circle more than you 818 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,600 S2: even realize, Chris, because, you know, I wrote that original 819 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,399 S2: verse and then populated the better chorus, and boys did that, 820 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,960 S2: and we called it hymn Deconstructing Friend, because it was 821 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,800 S2: all of our friends who who had lost their way. And, uh, 822 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,120 S2: and they did what the psalmist they didn't do what 823 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,760 S2: the psalmist did, because the psalmist models for us how 824 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,640 S2: all of us will have struggles and doubts, and all 825 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,680 S2: of us will have pain, and all of us face 826 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,880 S2: Space and justice. But the psalmist talks his way through it. 827 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,880 S2: He speaks it out. He speaks his way through it. 828 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,600 S2: He says what he knows to be true. Then he 829 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,959 S2: looks to the future, and he acknowledges, at very least, 830 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,480 S2: he acknowledges that God is God and we are not. 831 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,520 S2: But that in our. But, but, but, but allows us 832 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,440 S2: a place for our humanity. And so what Papa does 833 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,120 S2: when he does the song and it's actually in the hymnal, 834 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,359 S2: his little note at the bottom of the song, if 835 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,359 S2: you notice when you sing the song, you go back 836 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,720 S2: to another song in the book, which is an old hymn, 837 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,880 S2: and join them together to make the whole thing make sense. 838 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,120 S2: And would you believe what that hymn is? It's number ten. 839 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,279 S2: O to Grace, how great a debtor daily I'm constrained 840 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,560 S2: to be. Let thy goodness like a fetter by my wandering. 841 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,640 S2: Prone to wander. Lord, I feel it. Prone to leave 842 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,560 S2: the God I love. Here's my heart, Lord. Take and 843 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,080 S2: seal it. Seal it for thy courts above. 844 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,520 S1: That's fantastic. Oh, I just, Keith, I echo those who've 845 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,469 S1: called in here and have I've spoken to you. And 846 00:45:57,469 --> 00:46:00,430 S1: I echo what Karen says in Vermont. She said, did 847 00:46:00,430 --> 00:46:03,910 S1: you really write In Christ Alone? God has used that 848 00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:07,390 S1: song in a powerful way in my own life. Um, 849 00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:10,230 S1: and I will echo that for many people who are 850 00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:12,790 S1: listening and unable to call here today. Thank you for 851 00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:15,310 S1: what you do. Thank you for what you've done. Thank 852 00:46:15,310 --> 00:46:17,549 S1: you for what you're going to do, and allowing God 853 00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:19,390 S1: to work in and through you and come back and 854 00:46:19,390 --> 00:46:20,710 S1: see us real soon, okay. 855 00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:24,510 S2: Uh, absolute privilege. Chris. Thank you for the privilege today. 856 00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:27,589 S1: There he is. Keith Getty. I'm going to ask him 857 00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:29,870 S1: off the air about victory in Jesus. So you, uh, 858 00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:33,150 S1: you stay tuned. We'll find out about that in another day. 859 00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:35,750 S1: But if you go to the website, Chris Fabry Live, 860 00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:39,350 S1: you will see the Sing Hymnal. It's our featured resource. 861 00:46:39,550 --> 00:46:42,469 S1: And that book that I read from Hosanna in Excelsis 862 00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:45,030 S1: is our thank you. This month. You'll see that as well. 863 00:46:45,070 --> 00:46:48,070 S1: Chris Fabry Live is production of Moody Radio, a ministry 864 00:46:48,070 --> 00:46:49,830 S1: of Moody Bible Institute.