WEBVTT - Hour 2: Our Radio Bible Study 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.840 Hello, friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.880 Line with me. Michael. Right. It's Moody Radio's Bible study 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:21.360 across America. We're talking about your questions about the Bible, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.880 God and the spiritual life. We're sitting around the radio 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.400 kitchen table and I'm taking your questions. So just give 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:41.560 me a call. (877) 548-3675. That's (877) 548-3675. If you can't call, 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:46.440 just go to our website online radio. Click on the 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.600 Ask Michael a question link and you'll be able to 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:51.720 post your question there. And Trish will put it in 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.040 the mailbag. I hope you have your Bibles open. I 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.240 hope you have a second cup of coffee going. Uh, 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.959 because we're ready to talk about the about the scriptures again. 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:07.040 The phone number (877) 548-3675. If you think, how can I 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.560 get my call in? Now is the time to call 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.760 at the beginning of the hour. There's about three lines 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.679 or four lines open. So just now's the time to 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:25.840 call (877) 548-3675. We're going to talk to Lorraine in Monroe, Wisconsin, 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.720 listening on Moody Radio there 106.9. Welcome to Open Line, Lorraine. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.600 How can I help you? 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.440 Hi, Michael. I have a question. Um, some churches teach 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.839 entire sanctification. Sanctification. And I'd like to find out if 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:46.760 that's biblical. And then what is the clear definition of sanctification? 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.240 Sanctification. I'll start with the last part. To sanctify is 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:59.150 to be made holy. The process of making us holy. Okay. Now, 0:01:59.150 --> 0:02:02.390 the thing is, uh, the book of Hebrews uses the 0:02:02.390 --> 0:02:06.790 word sanctify a little differently in the book of Hebrews. 0:02:06.790 --> 0:02:11.190 It's very common, and it's just that author uses it 0:02:11.350 --> 0:02:16.269 more of our positional sanctification, referring to that, when God 0:02:16.270 --> 0:02:19.269 looks at us, once we've trusted in Jesus, we've been sanctified. 0:02:19.350 --> 0:02:22.710 He sees us entirely holy. Uh, it's similar to the 0:02:22.710 --> 0:02:26.950 way the Apostle Paul in Romans uses the word justified, 0:02:26.950 --> 0:02:32.190 declared righteous. Okay, but generally speaking, when we see the 0:02:32.190 --> 0:02:39.149 word sanctification or sanctify, it's referring to the process, not 0:02:39.150 --> 0:02:44.389 the product, not not the positional, uh, sanctification that we 0:02:44.389 --> 0:02:50.710 have in Jesus, but rather the process of sanctification, uh, 0:02:50.710 --> 0:02:55.510 of being drawn closer and more and more holy, uh, 0:02:55.510 --> 0:02:58.669 to be made holy by the power of the Holy Spirit. 0:02:58.669 --> 0:02:59.870 Does that make sense? 0:03:00.590 --> 0:03:00.990 Yes. 0:03:01.590 --> 0:03:08.550 Okay. Uh, now, uh, Romans eight, by the way, uh, 0:03:08.550 --> 0:03:11.350 is a good passage to if, uh, if you want 0:03:11.350 --> 0:03:19.989 to study sanctification, that process, uh, and then, uh, now 0:03:20.030 --> 0:03:24.670 the the issue of entire sanctification, sometimes I feel like 0:03:24.710 --> 0:03:29.230 it's unrealistic. It's it's more from the Wesleyan tradition, something 0:03:29.230 --> 0:03:34.230 that John Wesley taught, uh, called it was also called 0:03:34.230 --> 0:03:39.589 perfect love. And the idea of entire sanctification is that 0:03:39.590 --> 0:03:42.430 once we reach, uh, once we know the Lord, we 0:03:42.430 --> 0:03:48.670 reach a certain level of maturity that we won't sin. And, uh, 0:03:48.710 --> 0:03:52.470 I don't think so. A couple of reasons. I would 0:03:52.470 --> 0:03:55.790 assume that they would think the apostle Paul was a 0:03:55.790 --> 0:04:03.110 mature believer. But the apostle Paul says in Philippians, uh, 0:04:03.110 --> 0:04:09.110 not that I've arrived, but I press on. Right? Uh, 0:04:09.110 --> 0:04:14.190 and uh, verse 12 of chapter three 312, not that 0:04:14.190 --> 0:04:18.510 I have already reached the goal or am already fully mature, 0:04:18.510 --> 0:04:20.470 but I make every effort to take hold of it 0:04:20.470 --> 0:04:26.310 because I have been taken hold of by the Messiah, Jesus. Brothers, 0:04:26.390 --> 0:04:29.670 I do not consider myself to have taken Ahold of it. 0:04:29.710 --> 0:04:34.950 Meaning I'm not there yet. Uh, so he apparently is 0:04:34.950 --> 0:04:40.150 not entirely sanctified yet. And, uh, another verse I think 0:04:40.150 --> 0:04:47.310 that's really important about this is, uh. Now, I've never 0:04:47.310 --> 0:04:51.350 been I've never really have sat under the teaching of 0:04:51.750 --> 0:04:53.700 someone who holds this. I've only read about it about 0:04:53.700 --> 0:04:57.219 it in books, so, uh. But here we go. Ready? 0:04:57.220 --> 0:05:02.979 First John chapter one. It says, uh, and this is 0:05:02.980 --> 0:05:06.140 obviously written to believers. It says that in chapter five 0:05:06.140 --> 0:05:08.900 of First John, he says, I write these things to 0:05:08.940 --> 0:05:12.060 you who believe. So he's not talking to lost people. 0:05:12.060 --> 0:05:14.580 He's talking to people who know the Lord, who put 0:05:14.580 --> 0:05:18.740 their trust in Jesus. Uh, and that's that's important to 0:05:18.820 --> 0:05:21.460 see that in first John five, that he says, I 0:05:21.500 --> 0:05:24.099 write these things to you who believe in the Son 0:05:24.100 --> 0:05:29.540 of God. Okay. Now, in first John one, he says 0:05:29.980 --> 0:05:33.420 in verse eight, if we say we have no sin, 0:05:33.420 --> 0:05:36.580 that has to be a nature to sin. We're deceiving ourselves. 0:05:36.580 --> 0:05:39.460 And the truth is not in us. Verse ten says, 0:05:39.460 --> 0:05:42.540 if we say we don't have any sin, we make 0:05:42.540 --> 0:05:47.580 him a liar, and His word is not in us. Uh, 0:05:47.580 --> 0:05:50.260 and then he says, I'm writing these things to you 0:05:50.260 --> 0:05:53.020 so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, 0:05:53.580 --> 0:05:56.100 we have an advocate with the father. So he's not 0:05:56.100 --> 0:05:59.260 saying just because we sin, it's okay. I'm not trying 0:05:59.260 --> 0:06:01.500 to encourage you to sin. I'm just saying when we do, 0:06:01.540 --> 0:06:03.780 we have an advocate with the father. But it seems 0:06:03.779 --> 0:06:07.740 clear to me from this. And he gives guidelines. If 0:06:07.740 --> 0:06:11.299 we confess our sins, he is faithless, faithful to forgive 0:06:11.300 --> 0:06:16.100 our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So the 0:06:16.100 --> 0:06:19.940 the point of this is that John seems to be 0:06:19.940 --> 0:06:22.140 thinking that we all sin, and as long as we 0:06:22.140 --> 0:06:27.620 say we don't, we're making God a liar. Now, I 0:06:27.620 --> 0:06:29.979 think there's a condition to perfect love. I don't think 0:06:29.980 --> 0:06:35.460 they're unrealistic. I think they say that perfect love, or 0:06:35.580 --> 0:06:40.460 entire sanctification, means we don't intentionally sin, but we can 0:06:40.460 --> 0:06:45.540 inadvertently sin. Here's the problem. Even I've been a believer 0:06:45.540 --> 0:06:47.620 a long time. I really want to follow the Lord. 0:06:47.620 --> 0:06:50.940 But even I, uh, just get mad at mad at 0:06:50.940 --> 0:06:55.100 myself constantly for intentionally sinning. You know, it's not just 0:06:55.100 --> 0:07:00.419 something that happens inadvertently, you know? Uh, I don't know 0:07:00.420 --> 0:07:05.900 anyone that doesn't sin intentionally. Now, that's not good. But 0:07:05.900 --> 0:07:09.260 I have an advocate with the father, and. And that's 0:07:09.260 --> 0:07:11.140 what I would say in first John two two. He 0:07:11.140 --> 0:07:14.100 is the satisfaction for our sins, and he is the 0:07:14.100 --> 0:07:17.820 advocate that we all have with the father. Uh, I 0:07:17.820 --> 0:07:22.100 don't want to intentionally sin, but I do sometimes. Don't 0:07:22.100 --> 0:07:23.340 you think you do, too? 0:07:24.380 --> 0:07:24.900 Sure. 0:07:25.380 --> 0:07:29.780 Yeah. So I, uh, with even with that caveat of 0:07:29.780 --> 0:07:33.580 saying it's not referring to and is only referring to 0:07:33.620 --> 0:07:38.340 intentional sin and not unintentional. That's that would be, I think, uh, 0:07:38.340 --> 0:07:39.860 the problem. Okay. 0:07:40.780 --> 0:07:42.700 Okay. So it sounds like it's not possible. 0:07:43.540 --> 0:07:45.380 I don't think it's possible. You know, there are a 0:07:45.380 --> 0:07:46.740 lot of by the way, there are a lot of 0:07:46.740 --> 0:07:51.490 people from the Wesleyan tradition Who I've heard teach, and 0:07:51.690 --> 0:07:53.730 they may officially say they believe it, but when I 0:07:53.770 --> 0:07:56.370 hear him teach the Bible, you know, from time to 0:07:56.410 --> 0:08:02.730 time they they recognize that we sin. So. Yeah. 0:08:02.770 --> 0:08:03.090 Okay. 0:08:03.850 --> 0:08:07.290 Okay. All right. Uh, okay. Thank you. Uh, by the way, 0:08:07.290 --> 0:08:10.610 my sister's name. Lorraine. Uh, you don't hear that name 0:08:10.610 --> 0:08:11.330 very much. 0:08:12.170 --> 0:08:14.929 You don't. You don't. You really don't. I was hoping 0:08:14.930 --> 0:08:16.810 it was coming back. A lot of the older names 0:08:16.810 --> 0:08:19.650 are coming back, but so far, uh, this one has. 0:08:19.650 --> 0:08:23.090 Not that one, but. And, you know, back to the future. 0:08:23.090 --> 0:08:25.330 There was a character named Lorraine, and I always thought 0:08:25.330 --> 0:08:27.810 that was cool because my sister is named Lorraine from 0:08:27.810 --> 0:08:30.170 about the same time we're, you know, we're baby boomers. 0:08:30.290 --> 0:08:33.770 So there we go. Anyway, great. Great talking with you, Lorraine. 0:08:33.850 --> 0:08:39.210 Thank you. Thank you. Uh, J.R. in Tennessee, listening on Wmwx. 0:08:39.250 --> 0:08:42.530 Welcome to Open Line. How can I help you? 0:08:42.570 --> 0:08:46.370 Yes, sir. Uh, so my uncle went to Israel a 0:08:46.370 --> 0:08:50.170 couple summers Ago, and the tour guide told all the 0:08:50.170 --> 0:08:54.530 people there that when Peter denied Jesus. He wasn't doing 0:08:54.530 --> 0:08:57.210 so out of fear, but he was doing so because 0:08:57.210 --> 0:09:00.449 he thought he was protecting Jesus, because he was saying 0:09:00.929 --> 0:09:03.959 the tradition was that they had to have 2 or 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.730 3 witnesses, eyewitnesses, to bring charges. So Peter was trying 0:09:08.730 --> 0:09:11.530 not to be a witness, and he was thought he 0:09:11.530 --> 0:09:16.089 was protecting Jesus. Do you think there's any validity to 0:09:16.130 --> 0:09:17.010 that take? 0:09:18.809 --> 0:09:22.610 I love Israeli tour guides, but they always think that 0:09:22.610 --> 0:09:25.170 they've got a little background thing that's going to help. No, 0:09:25.170 --> 0:09:28.050 I don't think there's any validity to that. First of all, 0:09:29.450 --> 0:09:31.970 why would he deny the Lord if he was used 0:09:31.970 --> 0:09:34.209 as a witness? It would be. It would not be 0:09:34.210 --> 0:09:41.530 to corroborate what happened. Right? He would he would say, uh, 0:09:41.530 --> 0:09:44.370 you're misunderstanding what Jesus meant when he said, uh, tear 0:09:44.410 --> 0:09:46.250 down this temple and I'll raise it up in three 0:09:46.250 --> 0:09:51.050 in three days? He was talking about himself. Yes. You know, 0:09:52.490 --> 0:09:54.450 he he would not be a good witness. So he 0:09:54.450 --> 0:09:56.930 didn't have to deny the Lord to avoid being a witness. 0:09:57.050 --> 0:09:59.209 He wouldn't be a good witness of the accusation. He'd 0:09:59.250 --> 0:10:02.450 be a good witness for the Lord Jesus, don't you think? No. 0:10:02.450 --> 0:10:06.650 He was afraid. Otherwise, if he was accomplishing his purpose, 0:10:06.650 --> 0:10:08.809 would he go out and weep bitterly afterwards? 0:10:10.290 --> 0:10:12.250 No, no. No, sir. 0:10:13.090 --> 0:10:16.449 Yeah. So, you know, I actually you're going to find 0:10:16.450 --> 0:10:19.970 this hard to believe. I find it hard to believe sometimes, 0:10:19.970 --> 0:10:25.170 but periodically I work on training. I do seminars for 0:10:25.290 --> 0:10:29.650 Israeli tour guides, and one of the things I try 0:10:29.690 --> 0:10:33.650 to tell them over and over is don't try and 0:10:33.650 --> 0:10:39.010 use a background inappropriately. Like using the two. You need 0:10:39.050 --> 0:10:41.330 2 or 3 witnesses, and all of a sudden you 0:10:41.330 --> 0:10:44.570 have an insight that's not apparent from the text. That's 0:10:44.570 --> 0:10:47.719 not the right way. You know, just I always tell 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.320 people the plain sense makes sense. Seek no other sense 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.560 lest it result in nonsense. And that's what that is. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.040 That's nonsense. Okay. 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.400 Thank you. I was very skeptical. I was very skeptical 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.400 of that take. So thank you for confirming that. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.800 Yeah, there's some great Bible teachers among the tour guides, 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.560 but that's one of the reasons why, when I bring 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:11.959 a group to Israel, uh, this is going to I 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.280 just do. I've been doing this now for a long time. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.720 I think the very first group I brought to Israel 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.360 was in 1997. So that's a long time. I'd been 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.679 to Israel many times before that, but studying there, I 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:28.200 did a pastoral internship there, you know, things like that. Uh, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:34.360 lived there for a summer, a couple summers, actually. Uh, 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.839 but the point of it is that when I started 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.280 leading tours, I wouldn't let the guides teach the Bible. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.080 I figured people came not to hear them teach the Bible. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.880 They came to came to hear me teach the Bible. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:50.600 So that's what I, uh. And that helps me not, uh, 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.800 have this kind of stuff taught. So. Okay. 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:56.160 All right. Thank you very much. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:00.760 Yeah. Thanks, JR. Appreciate it. Uh, thanks for the call. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.720 And we're going to take a break here. Uh, when 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:09.880 we come back we'll take more of your calls at (877) 548-3675. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.160 If you have a question about the Bible or God 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.200 or the spiritual life, we'll be happy to talk about 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.800 it right here on Open Line with me. 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And every morning for weeks, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.040 he and I would get out our Rand McNally Atlas 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:25.840 and we would see, okay, this is where we're going. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.280 We didn't take any interstates. We only took back roads 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.560 that whole way. Uh, just so that we could see things. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.640 We went to national parks. We, uh, we saw the 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:40.199 Yankees play several times. It was so much fun. Uh, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.750 but here's the here's the deal. You need a map. Now, 0:13:42.750 --> 0:13:45.230 I don't think people anymore. They use maps. They don't 0:13:45.230 --> 0:13:50.429 use maps. Uh, they they use GPS. But when we 0:13:50.429 --> 0:13:52.310 read the Bible, it'd be really great if we had 0:13:52.309 --> 0:13:55.630 a road map. 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Um, my 0:15:12.670 --> 0:15:15.470 question is, I was telling my trainer at the gym 0:15:15.470 --> 0:15:18.030 that he needed Jesus to pay his sin debts, and 0:15:18.030 --> 0:15:20.150 he was wearing a shirt that said the Most high 0:15:20.150 --> 0:15:24.190 is yahuwah y a y a h u a h. 0:15:25.070 --> 0:15:29.390 And he was saying that he didn't need Jesus. Uh, 0:15:29.430 --> 0:15:34.550 Jesus wasn't a virgin birth. David was Jesus father and 0:15:34.550 --> 0:15:35.830 things like that. And I was trying to tell him 0:15:35.830 --> 0:15:40.910 that that's not true. So how do you convince people 0:15:40.910 --> 0:15:43.590 that what they're doing is that that's not right? And 0:15:43.630 --> 0:15:47.030 he was explaining to him different translations and things. And 0:15:47.030 --> 0:15:49.430 it's just it's just hard trying to evangelize to people 0:15:49.430 --> 0:15:50.910 outside the church, you know? 0:15:50.950 --> 0:15:55.750 Yeah. Well, they're the ones that need it though, right? So. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:55.790 --> 0:15:58.630 it sounds to me he's gotten like, like into involved 0:15:58.630 --> 0:16:02.150 with some sort of cult, to be honest. Uh, I've 0:16:02.150 --> 0:16:08.590 never heard the expression yahuwah. I've heard Yeshua. Uh, it's 0:16:08.630 --> 0:16:12.910 a distortion. They say that Jesus real name is. Yeah, 0:16:12.950 --> 0:16:16.150 like like Yahweh. Right. From the Old Testament stuff. 0:16:16.150 --> 0:16:17.750 Yeah. That's what I figured. Mhm. 0:16:17.790 --> 0:16:22.510 Yeah. And Yeshua, uh, the Hebrew word for Jesus is 0:16:22.510 --> 0:16:26.190 Yeshua y e s h u a. That's perfectly fine. 0:16:26.510 --> 0:16:33.390 There's also Yeshua. Uh, there's Jesus. Uh. Jesus. There's all 0:16:33.390 --> 0:16:37.500 these Greek and there's Spanish and God knows every language 0:16:37.500 --> 0:16:40.620 and it's fine. Yeshua is not the right name. It's 0:16:40.620 --> 0:16:43.380 not the right Hebrew name. And Yahuwah that may be 0:16:43.380 --> 0:16:47.740 a distortion of Yahweh. I don't know, uh, but here's 0:16:47.740 --> 0:16:50.700 the thing. All you, all you can do is keep 0:16:50.780 --> 0:16:56.540 showing what the Hebrew Bible predicted of the Messiah and, 0:16:56.580 --> 0:17:00.340 you know, the messianic prophecies and point them to Jesus 0:17:00.340 --> 0:17:02.620 or Yeshua. That's what I would do if I were 0:17:02.620 --> 0:17:05.859 you in that situation. 0:17:05.900 --> 0:17:07.100 Okay. All right. 0:17:07.140 --> 0:17:09.820 And one more thing. Um, just just some advice on 0:17:09.820 --> 0:17:13.419 how do you stay encouraged when people outside tell you 0:17:13.420 --> 0:17:16.340 that you're brainwashed and you don't know what you're talking about? 0:17:16.740 --> 0:17:18.619 How do you how do you keep going with that? 0:17:18.619 --> 0:17:20.540 Because it is frustrating at times. Like I say outside 0:17:20.540 --> 0:17:22.780 the church, most people don't don't believe in Jesus. They 0:17:22.780 --> 0:17:24.940 need Jesus and any of that stuff. They just they 0:17:24.940 --> 0:17:26.540 don't want to hear it. So how do you just 0:17:26.540 --> 0:17:28.780 stay encouraged to just keep going and just trying to 0:17:28.780 --> 0:17:30.820 tell people what's what you believe? 0:17:30.859 --> 0:17:31.260 Well. 0:17:32.380 --> 0:17:34.980 Uh, a funny story. Once I was at was at 0:17:34.980 --> 0:17:40.140 a festival and there was a guy there that was 0:17:41.780 --> 0:17:47.300 advocating for Jewish people not to believe in Jesus. He 0:17:47.300 --> 0:17:50.940 had a booth, and so I went and talked with 0:17:50.940 --> 0:17:54.899 him and he said, you're just brainwashed. That's what he 0:17:54.900 --> 0:17:58.379 said about me. I said, are you kidding? I'm not brainwashed. 0:17:58.380 --> 0:18:04.500 I'm the brainwasher. So. I said, I'm teaching people to 0:18:04.540 --> 0:18:08.660 believe this. I'm the one that's pursuing this. Uh, and 0:18:08.660 --> 0:18:14.420 so I suppose the way I stay encouraged is like, 0:18:14.420 --> 0:18:17.540 for example, the fact that so many Jewish people don't believe. 0:18:18.260 --> 0:18:22.820 That's so sad to me, but it says in Isaiah 0:18:22.820 --> 0:18:26.700 53 that he would be rejected of men. And so 0:18:26.859 --> 0:18:29.820 when I see that that doesn't just apply to Jewish people, 0:18:29.820 --> 0:18:33.420 but he's rejected of men. It's prediction. If Jesus were 0:18:33.540 --> 0:18:40.300 accepted by everyone then then he wouldn't be the Messiah, right? 0:18:40.500 --> 0:18:47.140 Because he was despised and rejected of men. Also in 0:18:47.300 --> 0:18:54.659 Matthew chapter seven, this is what the Lord Jesus himself said. Uh, 0:18:54.660 --> 0:18:58.580 he said entering. Enter through the narrow gate, for the 0:18:58.580 --> 0:19:01.659 gate is wide, and the road is broad. That leads 0:19:01.660 --> 0:19:04.500 to destruction, and there are many who go through it. 0:19:04.619 --> 0:19:06.980 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that 0:19:07.020 --> 0:19:11.860 leads to life. And few find it. Again, when when 0:19:11.859 --> 0:19:17.020 people reject this good news, it just confirms what the 0:19:17.020 --> 0:19:20.619 Lord Jesus said. So I try to just stick with 0:19:20.619 --> 0:19:25.820 that with what the scriptures say and and and celebrate 0:19:25.820 --> 0:19:29.260 like crazy when someone responds, when the Holy Spirit opens 0:19:29.260 --> 0:19:32.330 someone's heart and and they respond to respond to the 0:19:32.369 --> 0:19:36.250 gospel and just keep at it because you should expect rejection. 0:19:37.290 --> 0:19:41.050 It's not something that we should be surprised about. Okay, Julius. 0:19:41.650 --> 0:19:41.970 All right. 0:19:42.010 --> 0:19:43.930 Very good. Thank you so much for taking my call today. 0:19:43.970 --> 0:19:47.970 Yeah, sure. Thanks for the call. Appreciate it. We're going 0:19:48.010 --> 0:19:54.250 to talk to Trina in Cleveland, Ohio, listening on WCR. 0:19:54.330 --> 0:19:56.609 Welcome to the open Line, Trina. How can I help you? 0:19:57.609 --> 0:20:00.090 Thank you. Good morning. I have to say, I'm still 0:20:00.090 --> 0:20:02.770 working on my first cup of coffee. I hope that's okay. 0:20:02.770 --> 0:20:04.530 I haven't made it to the second cup yet. 0:20:04.650 --> 0:20:07.650 Oh, that's okay, that's great. Yeah. To get to, you 0:20:07.650 --> 0:20:10.010 need you need small cups. Right. So there. 0:20:10.010 --> 0:20:14.609 We go. Right, right. So my question is about the 0:20:14.609 --> 0:20:23.010 the marriage ceremony for Christians. Um, should it be performed, uh, 0:20:23.050 --> 0:20:26.050 in a church? Should it be performed at least by 0:20:26.050 --> 0:20:31.730 a pastor, um, a Christian marriage? What is proper. There 0:20:31.730 --> 0:20:34.850 are so many people out there who can perform marriage ceremonies. 0:20:34.970 --> 0:20:37.890 You know the marriage vows. But it just doesn't seem 0:20:37.890 --> 0:20:40.450 right to me. Unless it's, you know, am I wrong 0:20:40.450 --> 0:20:42.450 in that thinking? Unless it's by a pastor? 0:20:44.570 --> 0:20:49.050 Well, it's. I don't think it's a right or wrong issue. 0:20:49.090 --> 0:20:54.130 It's sort of a preference, uh, that you would have. Uh, 0:20:54.130 --> 0:20:57.770 I don't think there's any mandatory verse in the Bible. 0:20:57.850 --> 0:21:03.810 There's no ceremony in the Bible, from what I can tell. Uh, 0:21:03.850 --> 0:21:07.850 the the wedding is, is what I would think that 0:21:07.850 --> 0:21:11.250 it's not even in the Bible. It's just that, uh, 0:21:11.250 --> 0:21:13.209 we we're supposed to obey the government. There needs to 0:21:13.210 --> 0:21:20.530 be vows, um, and affirmation of those vows. And who 0:21:20.770 --> 0:21:23.730 asks those vows? Really? The Bible doesn't say who should 0:21:23.730 --> 0:21:27.690 or could or would do it. It depends on the government, 0:21:27.730 --> 0:21:30.610 you know. It was interesting when I moved to New York, 0:21:30.690 --> 0:21:33.170 when I lived in Texas and I did a wedding ceremony, 0:21:33.410 --> 0:21:36.450 it was like, no big deal, you know? I taught 0:21:36.490 --> 0:21:40.369 a Bible study. The state of Texas said, okay, you're 0:21:40.369 --> 0:21:43.610 you're allowed to do a wedding ceremony. Then I moved 0:21:43.609 --> 0:21:45.050 to New York, and I had to get all sorts 0:21:45.050 --> 0:21:51.250 of certification done before they would let me do a ceremony. Okay. 0:21:51.290 --> 0:21:55.210 So it just depends, uh, who it is, you know? 0:21:55.250 --> 0:21:59.850 Some places they require ordination, some places they don't. Uh, 0:21:59.850 --> 0:22:02.530 but here's the key. I believe that a wedding needs 0:22:02.530 --> 0:22:06.610 to be there. Really do need to be vows, you know? 0:22:06.650 --> 0:22:07.170 Right. 0:22:07.450 --> 0:22:11.770 A person needs to vow. Uh. And then not only 0:22:12.050 --> 0:22:18.170 do there need to be vows. But, uh, it should 0:22:18.170 --> 0:22:25.050 be before people with witnesses. Uh, that's essential, uh, to 0:22:25.090 --> 0:22:28.840 hold us accountable to our vows. So. Gotcha. 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:29.639 Okay. 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:31.960 Those are the those are the things that I think 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:35.800 are essential for a proper wedding. Okay. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.359 Okay. Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you very much. 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:46.000 Sure. Okay. Talk later. Uh gerlin. In Florida, listening on RMB. 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:47.879 Welcome to Open Line. How can I help you? 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.879 Hi. How are you doing? Thank you for taking my call. Sure. 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.320 And my question is in regard to first Corinthians seven 0:22:56.400 --> 0:23:01.360 at verse 39 where I've read, I've read it and 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.560 I have an understanding. Just want to hear you elaborate 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:09.000 on that first. So I may perhaps confirm my belief 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.120 or help me understand that my belief is incorrect. That's 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:14.680 not what the Scripture is saying. Or is it what 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:15.800 the Scripture is saying? 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.600 Okay, what are you what? I'm not just going to 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:23.880 elaborate on the verse. What's your question about the verse? 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.960 My question is, is a woman bound to her husband 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:28.840 till death. 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:34.240 Upon marriage. 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:36.880 Here's what the verse says. A wife is bound as 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.560 long as her husband is living. But if her husband dies, 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:41.800 she is free to be married to anyone she wants. 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.280 Only in the Lord. She can't marry anyone she wants. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:51.120 She has to marry a believer. Uh, but, uh, what 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.680 this is saying is. Yes. Uh, that's why we say 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.160 it at a wedding ceremony. This fits with what just 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.640 was said. Uh, as long as we both shall live. Right. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:00.439 That's it. 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:06.479 Right. Now, are there exceptions to this general statement? Of course. Uh, 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:11.159 the Lord Jesus said that, uh, divorce. And I believe 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:15.000 as a result of that, uh, remarriage, uh, is permissible 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.720 in the case of immorality. So it's not required, but 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:24.399 divorce and remarriage is permitted because of immorality. So, you know, 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:29.560 you know, if you're having if your spouse committed immorality. 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:36.560 First Corinthians 739 is not saying go kill your spouse. 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:36.919 Right. 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:43.000 Okay. Uh, and then, uh, abandonment here in first Corinthians 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:48.800 seven by a nonbeliever in particular. Uh, that that would 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:54.120 be a case for it. And then when it talks 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:59.520 about abandonment, I think it's interesting in first Corinthians 715, 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:03.960 a brother or a sister is not bound in such cases. 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.480 Now when he says in such cases, what does he mean? 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:13.159 It seems to me he's talking about when someone, uh, 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.520 breaks their vows. A brother or sister is not bound 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.240 in such cases. So in any other case where vows 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.840 are broken, I think a person and in particular I'm 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:24.630 going to talk to talk about this one area where 0:25:24.630 --> 0:25:27.590 I think he's talking about in such cases is like 0:25:28.030 --> 0:25:31.750 a physical abuse. That's a breaking of the vow. And 0:25:31.750 --> 0:25:34.550 in such cases, a person is not bound to stay 0:25:34.550 --> 0:25:40.590 with that spouse. Uh, so those are some of the areas. Okay. 0:25:40.630 --> 0:25:43.990 That's that's how I understand it. Uh, thanks for your call. I, 0:25:43.990 --> 0:25:45.669 I appreciate it. We're going to come back with the 0:25:45.670 --> 0:25:47.950 mailbag in just a moment. So stay with us. This 0:25:47.950 --> 0:26:11.830 is open Line with Michael Melnick. Welcome back to Open Line. 0:26:11.830 --> 0:26:16.310 You know, so often people will talk about their tour guide. 0:26:16.310 --> 0:26:19.550 Someone called with a question about a tour guide in Israel. 0:26:19.550 --> 0:26:23.030 And I love the Israeli tour guides And unfortunately, a 0:26:23.030 --> 0:26:27.350 lot of people aren't seeing Israel these days because of 0:26:27.350 --> 0:26:30.149 the war with Hamas. And they would like to. I 0:26:30.150 --> 0:26:33.910 have a dear friend that really wanted to go see Israel. Uh, 0:26:33.910 --> 0:26:37.590 well Chosen People Ministries is offering a book called Israel 0:26:37.590 --> 0:26:40.310 the Land and the people. 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Why did 0:27:59.109 --> 0:28:02.149 God want Saul anointed king when he was from the 0:28:02.150 --> 0:28:04.750 tribe of Benjamin and not from the tribe of Judah? 0:28:05.630 --> 0:28:08.950 Well, the tribe of Judah only becomes prominent after the 0:28:08.950 --> 0:28:12.990 Davidic covenant when David, after Saul is made king. Now 0:28:12.990 --> 0:28:17.030 there's a prophecy in Genesis 49 that Judah will will 0:28:17.270 --> 0:28:24.700 take leadership over the tribes, but that that was prophetic. 0:28:24.700 --> 0:28:31.740 It wasn't mandated. It was saying something that ultimately did happen. Uh, but, uh, 0:28:31.740 --> 0:28:38.020 if if Saul had stayed faithful and his line had 0:28:38.020 --> 0:28:40.380 become the dominant line, God would have found some other 0:28:40.380 --> 0:28:45.140 way to have the line of the of Judah become prominent. Uh, 0:28:45.140 --> 0:28:47.979 but I don't know about that. But really, what it 0:28:47.980 --> 0:28:51.300 was is that the people were trying to push God. 0:28:51.300 --> 0:28:54.300 I think this is something that theologians have called God's 0:28:54.300 --> 0:28:57.900 permissive will. And he also showed them how poorly that 0:28:57.900 --> 0:29:03.300 ended up when because they said what God says to them, 0:29:03.300 --> 0:29:05.580 you want to be like the nations. You've not read. 0:29:05.700 --> 0:29:08.620 What he tells Samuel is they haven't rejected you, Samuel. 0:29:09.020 --> 0:29:13.140 They've rejected me because God was the king. And until 0:29:13.140 --> 0:29:15.660 God chose to be the right time to to name 0:29:15.660 --> 0:29:19.260 the king after God's own heart. David. That's when the 0:29:19.260 --> 0:29:22.060 Lion of Judah would become prominent. So it was a 0:29:22.060 --> 0:29:23.740 way of God saying, okay, this is what you want. 0:29:23.780 --> 0:29:25.460 Let me show you how bad it turns out. 0:29:25.780 --> 0:29:29.020 And wow, thank you. Thank you for that. And Samuel 0:29:29.020 --> 0:29:31.740 did tell them before they got Saul how bad it 0:29:31.740 --> 0:29:32.580 was going to be. 0:29:33.100 --> 0:29:34.500 Yeah. And still. 0:29:34.540 --> 0:29:38.060 They did. They still did it. Wow. Thank you. The 0:29:38.060 --> 0:29:42.100 next question is from Jim in Illinois. He's listening through Wmbi. 0:29:42.740 --> 0:29:46.340 How did the New Testament writers remember what Jesus said? 0:29:46.460 --> 0:29:49.380 Was it because of the oral tradition? Was it through 0:29:49.380 --> 0:29:52.020 the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Was it something else? 0:29:53.580 --> 0:29:57.940 The Bible tells us, uh, in the Upper room discourse, 0:29:58.700 --> 0:30:06.500 the Lord Jesus says to the disciples, uh, verse 20, 0:30:06.540 --> 0:30:12.780 chapter 14 of John. John 14, verse 26. But the 0:30:12.780 --> 0:30:17.500 counselor some. That's one way to translate. Translate it. Or 0:30:17.500 --> 0:30:21.940 the advocate or the. But it's the word for the 0:30:21.940 --> 0:30:26.740 Holy Spirit. But the counselor, the Holy Spirit, the one 0:30:26.740 --> 0:30:32.860 called alongside to help, is literally what the word means. Paraclete. Uh, 0:30:32.860 --> 0:30:35.580 but the counselor, the Holy Spirit, the father will send 0:30:35.580 --> 0:30:39.700 him in my name. He will teach you all things 0:30:40.540 --> 0:30:44.380 and remind you of everything I have told you. And 0:30:44.380 --> 0:30:48.060 so it's the Holy Spirit that guides them. Now, certainly 0:30:48.300 --> 0:30:54.500 it he may have helped them recall oral traditions. And 0:30:54.500 --> 0:30:59.420 those were, uh, spoken before they were written down, but 0:30:59.420 --> 0:31:04.260 it was through the oral traditions. Began with the apostles, uh, 0:31:04.260 --> 0:31:06.860 and they were the ones that were promised that he 0:31:06.860 --> 0:31:10.780 would remind them of all things that that they had 0:31:10.780 --> 0:31:14.580 been had heard from him. So, John 1426, it's the 0:31:14.580 --> 0:31:15.530 It's the Holy Spirit. 0:31:15.930 --> 0:31:18.690 Thank you. Thank you for that. Yeah. We have a 0:31:18.690 --> 0:31:22.690 question from Michael also listening in Florida Keys. He says 0:31:22.690 --> 0:31:25.530 he loves your ministry, Michael. And he says, as I 0:31:25.530 --> 0:31:29.170 understand scripture, one of the main reasons Jesus became human 0:31:29.290 --> 0:31:32.330 is so that he could experience everything we experience in 0:31:32.330 --> 0:31:35.729 human form. How do you think he's able to relate 0:31:35.730 --> 0:31:38.010 to us humanly about issues like the loss of a 0:31:38.010 --> 0:31:41.250 wife or child, or growing old, or losing loved ones 0:31:41.250 --> 0:31:43.690 if he didn't personally experience those things. 0:31:46.330 --> 0:31:53.130 This is what, uh, Hebrews chapter four. Verses 14 through 0:31:53.170 --> 0:32:00.370 16 says, um, therefore, since we have a great high 0:32:00.370 --> 0:32:03.170 priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son 0:32:03.170 --> 0:32:06.290 of God, let us hold fast to the confession. For 0:32:06.290 --> 0:32:08.450 we do not have a high priest who is unable 0:32:08.450 --> 0:32:11.650 to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been 0:32:11.650 --> 0:32:16.130 tested in every way as we are, yet without sin. 0:32:17.010 --> 0:32:20.090 Let us therefore approach the throne of grace with boldness, 0:32:20.570 --> 0:32:23.410 so that we may receive mercy and find grace to 0:32:23.450 --> 0:32:25.850 help us at the proper time. If he has been 0:32:25.850 --> 0:32:30.130 tested in every way did he? Was he tested in 0:32:30.130 --> 0:32:33.530 learning how to be patient with a teenager? 0:32:36.770 --> 0:32:41.210 I would say he was tested in patience. So he 0:32:41.210 --> 0:32:45.570 had what it what it would take to handle that scenario. 0:32:45.970 --> 0:32:49.250 I think you're getting it. And then as as he 0:32:49.330 --> 0:32:54.130 understood what it means to be sacrificial and put his 0:32:54.130 --> 0:32:59.850 wife first, he's not never been married, but he would 0:32:59.890 --> 0:33:04.650 have been tested in the area of being sacrificial. Uh, 0:33:04.690 --> 0:33:06.410 when it says that he was tested in every way, 0:33:06.410 --> 0:33:11.330 it doesn't mean he experienced every single temptation or test 0:33:11.330 --> 0:33:15.250 that we face. What it means is he was in 0:33:15.250 --> 0:33:20.050 every category because, you know as many ways as we 0:33:20.050 --> 0:33:24.890 can think of, there are potential tests so we can 0:33:24.890 --> 0:33:30.170 categorize them. He was, uh, he was tested in being sacrificial. 0:33:30.410 --> 0:33:34.690 He was tested in being patient. He was. You just 0:33:34.690 --> 0:33:40.570 name it. Uh, and so every category of test. Uh, 0:33:40.570 --> 0:33:47.650 he experienced, but not every single potential individual act. That 0:33:47.650 --> 0:33:48.330 makes sense. 0:33:48.450 --> 0:33:50.170 It does. Wonderful answer. Thank you. 0:33:50.410 --> 0:33:53.730 Yeah. So which is why he's such a great high priest. 0:33:54.010 --> 0:33:57.290 Just remember that he's. Every time you're struggling with what 0:33:57.290 --> 0:34:00.890 you're doing with your kids. Uh, you know, as a kid, 0:34:00.890 --> 0:34:05.810 I struggled with thinking about my parents. Right. As a parent, 0:34:05.810 --> 0:34:08.450 I thought about how to be the best parent. And 0:34:08.450 --> 0:34:11.520 I struggled because, you know, one of the things that 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:17.120 you're trying to do is tame fallen children, right? 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:17.640 It's true. 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:23.960 You got to tame them. You know. We've all read 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.160 Lord of the flies in school. You know, the the 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.400 the they can I think that I think that was 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:35.280 the name of the book. They they get wild. Uh, well, 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.560 the truth of it is we're trying to tame them, 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.680 teach them manners and so forth. And so, uh, and 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:46.040 when we struggle with that, learning how to behave properly 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.919 and guide properly and all that, we have a high 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.160 priest because we we're going to blow it. He's a 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:57.080 high priest who sympathizes with us and provides grace to 0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:02.279 help when we need it. So anyway, that's that's what 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:08.480 I would say. I, uh, I appreciate that, uh, question 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:13.280 because I always think, does Jesus really understand? I believe 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:17.440 he does. Yes. Uh, we're both parents, right? So we know. 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.160 That is true. Thank you. And we need Jesus. Thank you. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.440 Yep. Exactly. When we come back, we're going to take 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.560 more of your questions right here on Open Line. That 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:29.080 was Tyra Haynes. I'm Michael Melnick. Uh, we'll be right 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.920 back with more of your questions on Open Line. Stay 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:47.560 with us. And we're back. This is open line. I'm 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:51.279 Michael ray Dominic. I am having a great time in 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.919 the Word with you folks this weekend. Thanks so much 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.680 for listening today. Uh, one of the things I so 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:01.239 appreciate about being at Moody Bible Institute is we have 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.800 special events from time to time. Uh, this past week, 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.560 it was the missions conference, and we had over 50 0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:16.799 agencies there representing that great speakers. One of the things 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.960 I see our students really responding to this, listen, the 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.880 best foundation in life, I believe if you have a 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:27.360 student that's going to go to college or a grand 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.359 a grandchild that's going to go to college soon, tell 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.120 them about Moody Bible Institute. Check out Moody Bible Institute. 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.960 It's the best foundation for life and God will use 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:37.920 it to challenge students lives. When I was at the 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.640 missions conference this past week, I met a couple of 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:44.760 people who were there and they said, we're kitchen table partners. 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.600 I'm so grateful that they were there. They were missionaries, 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:53.279 missionaries representing agencies who actually listen to Open Line and 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:56.600 are kitchen table partners. They're people who committed to give 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.640 monthly so that we could be on the air weekly. 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.040 And I got to say, when when a missionary tells 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.760 you they're a kitchen table partner, it's just so encouraging because, 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.590 you know, they have limited funds and yet they're giving 0:37:08.590 --> 0:37:12.910 something because of their confidence in this program. And if 0:37:12.910 --> 0:37:17.469 you're listening and you'd like to, uh, to become part 0:37:17.469 --> 0:37:20.509 of that team, to be a kitchen table partner, I 0:37:20.510 --> 0:37:22.310 would so appreciate it. One of the things we do 0:37:22.310 --> 0:37:25.430 is we send out a Bible study moment every other 0:37:25.430 --> 0:37:28.830 week for our kitchen table partners. It's a Bible study 0:37:28.870 --> 0:37:32.830 designed exclusively for our kitchen table partners. Click on it, 0:37:33.030 --> 0:37:34.950 get to hear it. It's about 5 or 10 minutes. 0:37:34.950 --> 0:37:37.350 And it's it's a joy to produce. And I'm so 0:37:37.350 --> 0:37:40.989 grateful people actually do listen to it. And the way 0:37:40.989 --> 0:37:44.710 to become a kitchen table partner is to just call 0:37:44.710 --> 0:37:56.509 88864471228886447122 or another. Uh, another possibility is to go to 0:37:56.510 --> 0:38:02.190 our website openline radio.org. And you can find that now, uh, 0:38:02.190 --> 0:38:04.950 people are starting to think about their vacations for next year. 0:38:04.950 --> 0:38:07.870 The the years coming up, I did want to tell 0:38:07.910 --> 0:38:10.990 people that there's a possibility of doing a Bible conference 0:38:10.989 --> 0:38:14.190 on a Caribbean cruise next December. It'd be kind of 0:38:14.230 --> 0:38:16.070 fun way to do it. It's on a tall ship. 0:38:16.070 --> 0:38:19.350 I'll be teaching the The Book of Daniel. Eve will 0:38:19.390 --> 0:38:21.950 be there, and we'll have some great time of worship. 0:38:21.950 --> 0:38:24.230 If you're interested in that, go to our web page, 0:38:24.230 --> 0:38:27.390 Open Line radio.org. Scroll down and then click on where 0:38:27.390 --> 0:38:32.830 it says something about Michael's personal web page. Uh, that's 0:38:32.830 --> 0:38:35.710 that's what I would, uh, suggest you do if you're 0:38:35.710 --> 0:38:37.870 interested in that. And we're going to go right to 0:38:37.870 --> 0:38:44.110 the phones right now. Uh, Mark. Mike in Northwest Angle, Minnesota, 0:38:44.150 --> 0:38:47.549 listening on kbps. Welcome to Open Line. How can I 0:38:47.550 --> 0:38:48.029 help you? 0:38:48.950 --> 0:38:52.549 Good morning, doctor. I've got your. You gifted this to me. 0:38:52.550 --> 0:38:58.590 I've got your moody Bible commentary and your important questions. But, uh, 0:38:58.590 --> 0:39:03.670 in conversations, people say, don't read me paragraph after paragraph 0:39:03.670 --> 0:39:08.150 after paragraph. And so they just say, I firmly believe 0:39:08.430 --> 0:39:12.590 angels came down from heaven and had sex with women 0:39:12.590 --> 0:39:15.030 on earth. And I said, no, that's not true. Angels 0:39:15.030 --> 0:39:18.430 aren't sexual beings, and but they don't want to listen 0:39:18.430 --> 0:39:22.950 to paragraph after paragraph from these two excellent commentaries. How 0:39:22.950 --> 0:39:26.270 can I refute them in 3 or 4 sentences? 0:39:27.630 --> 0:39:30.629 Uh, read them a verse. That's what I would say. 0:39:31.110 --> 0:39:36.830 Matthew 2230 is what I would show them and just say, well, 0:39:36.830 --> 0:39:41.270 the Lord Jesus didn't, uh, didn't teach that angels could 0:39:41.270 --> 0:39:50.430 have relations or take wives. It says in Matthew 2230. Uh, 0:39:50.430 --> 0:39:55.149 for in the resurrection this is people, men, women they 0:39:55.150 --> 0:39:58.629 neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like 0:39:58.630 --> 0:40:03.140 angels in heaven. Now, concerning the Concerning the resurrection in heaven. 0:40:03.140 --> 0:40:05.540 But then they said, this is on earth. They came 0:40:05.540 --> 0:40:08.819 down to earth, but maybe I will not imitate them. 0:40:08.860 --> 0:40:11.700 That's not what angels in heaven means. It means the 0:40:11.700 --> 0:40:15.540 messengers from heaven is what it's talking about. The angelic beings. 0:40:15.940 --> 0:40:17.700 It's not saying from heaven. 0:40:17.700 --> 0:40:19.580 All right, I'm going to use that. 0:40:20.060 --> 0:40:25.060 Yeah, that's what it means. Okay, sure. Thanks for your call. Thanks. 0:40:25.180 --> 0:40:30.100 Appreciate it. Uh, we're going to talk with Mark in Cleveland, Ohio. Listen. 0:40:30.140 --> 0:40:33.580 Listening on CRF. Welcome to Open Line. How can I 0:40:33.580 --> 0:40:34.420 help you today? 0:40:35.219 --> 0:40:37.259 Hi, doctor. Thank you for taking my call. And thank 0:40:37.260 --> 0:40:38.940 you for that. Back to the future reference. I thought 0:40:38.940 --> 0:40:39.660 that was pretty cool. 0:40:41.300 --> 0:40:43.020 Lorraine? Yeah. 0:40:43.060 --> 0:40:47.060 Yeah, I actually live, um, I did my chemotherapy, um, 0:40:47.100 --> 0:40:49.339 here in Cleveland at a hospital that was actually shot 0:40:49.340 --> 0:40:51.500 in one of his movies. Light of day. Um, that's 0:40:51.500 --> 0:40:52.739 when I got saved in 92. 0:40:53.500 --> 0:40:53.780 Wow. 0:40:54.660 --> 0:40:58.339 Yeah. Okay, I want to preface my preface. My question. Um, 0:40:58.340 --> 0:41:00.820 with this. This is not a giving issue on my part. 0:41:00.860 --> 0:41:03.859 It's I just want to ask about tithing. I set 0:41:03.860 --> 0:41:05.859 aside what I can and give from my heart. But 0:41:05.860 --> 0:41:07.819 why do churches today even say, you know, bring your 0:41:07.820 --> 0:41:10.580 tithes and offerings? And is that biblical? 0:41:12.100 --> 0:41:19.580 Well, in the Old Testament, clearly there were tithes and offerings, right? Right. Uh, 0:41:19.580 --> 0:41:23.540 the I talked to a pretty well known pastor. He 0:41:23.540 --> 0:41:26.500 heard me say that today we don't do tithing. I've 0:41:26.500 --> 0:41:29.220 said this, you know, based we give what? Uh, according 0:41:29.219 --> 0:41:32.219 to second Corinthians eight and nine, we give. Second Corinthians 0:41:32.219 --> 0:41:35.859 nine says each person should give based on what he 0:41:35.860 --> 0:41:39.779 has determined on his heart. I think 10% is a 0:41:39.780 --> 0:41:43.219 great place to start. Uh, I really encourage that. I 0:41:43.219 --> 0:41:46.380 recommend it, but it's not something I require. There are 0:41:46.380 --> 0:41:48.140 some people who need to give more. Some people who 0:41:48.140 --> 0:41:53.219 need to give less depending on their income. And, uh, 0:41:53.260 --> 0:41:57.620 mainly we have to give sacrificially. There was a pastor 0:41:57.860 --> 0:42:00.900 that I spoke about this with, and he was convinced 0:42:01.300 --> 0:42:10.540 that Genesis 14. Uh, where Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek, 0:42:10.580 --> 0:42:15.500 established tithes before the law of Moses, and therefore, because 0:42:15.500 --> 0:42:19.540 it was pre law, that's why we should give tithes 0:42:19.540 --> 0:42:22.500 as a minimum for everyone. 0:42:23.540 --> 0:42:24.339 Uh, actually, just my. 0:42:24.340 --> 0:42:25.780 Dad in my commentary. Yes. 0:42:26.700 --> 0:42:33.340 But I, I don't believe that just because Abraham exemplified that, 0:42:33.340 --> 0:42:37.180 that that's a mandate. That's not necessarily a mandate. So. 0:42:37.180 --> 0:42:37.419 Okay. 0:42:37.420 --> 0:42:37.780 Okay. 0:42:38.580 --> 0:42:38.739 Yeah. 0:42:38.780 --> 0:42:41.020 I've always been a little nails on the chalkboard at times, 0:42:41.060 --> 0:42:42.180 you know. Yeah. 0:42:42.460 --> 0:42:42.820 You know. 0:42:42.860 --> 0:42:44.500 People who are struggling. 0:42:44.500 --> 0:42:46.580 When I hear people say, it's time for our tithes 0:42:46.580 --> 0:42:48.900 and offerings, do you know how I feel? This is 0:42:48.900 --> 0:42:52.219 how I feel. I feel like, well, they just mean offering. 0:42:52.219 --> 0:42:55.300 And I just translate it in my head to be offering. 0:42:55.300 --> 0:42:56.299 Okay, gotcha. 0:42:56.580 --> 0:42:58.969 I love my church. They're biblical. Yeah. Yeah. 0:42:59.010 --> 0:42:59.810 So. 0:42:59.810 --> 0:43:02.890 Okay. Thanks, Mark. Appreciate your call. Uh, we're going to 0:43:02.890 --> 0:43:07.730 talk to Taj in Chattanooga, Tennessee, listening on Wmwx on 0:43:07.730 --> 0:43:11.450 the Moody Radio app also. Uh, are you listening on 0:43:11.450 --> 0:43:14.770 the app to Wmwx? I think is what you're saying. Taj, 0:43:14.810 --> 0:43:15.890 how can I help you today? 0:43:17.010 --> 0:43:20.089 Hi. Good morning. Michael. Um, so in the beginning, it 0:43:20.090 --> 0:43:23.170 seems that God did not give us animals for food, 0:43:23.170 --> 0:43:26.930 only plants. So if we were vegetarians, why did Abel 0:43:26.969 --> 0:43:27.770 tend sheep? 0:43:29.450 --> 0:43:31.009 Uh, he needed clothing. 0:43:34.250 --> 0:43:34.610 Okay. 0:43:35.650 --> 0:43:36.210 That's why. 0:43:37.050 --> 0:43:39.530 Okay. Simple enough for me. So I guess the second 0:43:39.530 --> 0:43:43.410 part to this is. Is it possible? Pre-flood at times. 0:43:43.730 --> 0:43:46.970 At times during, uh, during the period before the flood 0:43:46.969 --> 0:43:51.450 that other people, uh, started eating meat before it was 0:43:51.450 --> 0:43:52.770 mandated that we could. 0:43:54.370 --> 0:43:54.730 Well. 0:43:55.690 --> 0:44:01.489 Uh, I'm not sure that people did not eat meat 0:44:02.410 --> 0:44:07.649 before the the flood, uh, or even were not permitted 0:44:08.410 --> 0:44:13.609 to eat meat. What we have, uh, for example, with 0:44:13.610 --> 0:44:21.210 the same passage in Genesis nine. Right. Uh, it says 0:44:21.210 --> 0:44:23.170 there the fear and terror of you will be in 0:44:23.170 --> 0:44:25.410 every living creature on the earth, every bird of the sky, 0:44:25.410 --> 0:44:27.130 every creature that crawls on the ground, and all the 0:44:27.130 --> 0:44:29.730 fish of the sea. They are placed under your authority. 0:44:29.770 --> 0:44:32.489 Every living creature will be food for you. As I 0:44:32.530 --> 0:44:36.450 gave the green plants, I give you everything. So they 0:44:36.450 --> 0:44:40.090 may have been eating animals, uh, you know, meat before there? 0:44:40.090 --> 0:44:43.609 I don't know, because just in the same passage, we've 0:44:43.610 --> 0:44:48.810 got the. The sign of the rainbow becomes the sign 0:44:48.810 --> 0:44:51.730 of the covenant that God won't destroy the earth again 0:44:51.730 --> 0:44:56.610 by flood. Now, does that mean that when water was 0:44:57.890 --> 0:45:02.609 shining on, on the sky with the sun, that there 0:45:02.610 --> 0:45:07.450 wasn't a rainbow? Of course there was. Uh. It didn't. 0:45:07.489 --> 0:45:10.690 This is not the creation of rainbows. What it is, 0:45:12.530 --> 0:45:18.690 is a, uh, association of the rainbow now as a 0:45:18.690 --> 0:45:21.930 sign of something. So it didn't. It's not that it 0:45:21.930 --> 0:45:27.089 didn't exist before. It's now a sign. Uh, it's not 0:45:27.090 --> 0:45:31.330 that people didn't eat animals necessarily prior to this, but now, 0:45:31.330 --> 0:45:35.770 in terms of an affirmation, God says, okay, I've had 0:45:35.770 --> 0:45:40.810 these ships on board. I'm now going to also affirm 0:45:40.810 --> 0:45:43.330 these animals on the ship on board, but now I'm 0:45:43.330 --> 0:45:49.250 going to affirm them, uh, being for food as well. So, uh, 0:45:49.290 --> 0:45:51.049 you know, it may or may not have been that 0:45:51.050 --> 0:45:55.920 people were vegetarians prior to the flood, I don't know. Okay. 0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:57.600 Uh. Thank you. 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.719 Yeah. Appreciate the call. We're going to come. We're not 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:02.480 going to take any more calls today because that's the 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.000 program for the day. I can't believe it. That was 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.320 the fastest two hours of my life. I'm so grateful 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.480 for all of you that listened and for participated. Thanks 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.840 for calling. Thanks for listening. Thanks for being part of 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:16.680 the program. Uh, I also want to thank our team 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:21.200 here in Chicago that made this possible. Omar and Tahira 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:24.040 and Lisa, thanks for all that you have done in 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.160 making the program. Keep in touch with Open Line by 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.160 going to our website, Online radio.org. It's got all the 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.480 links that you're looking for, how to be a kitchen 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.719 table partner, how to get the chosen people gift, how 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.120 to find out about my personal website. Keep reading the Bible. 0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:42.880 We'll talk about it next week. Open line with Doctor 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:46.760 Michael Dolnick is a production of Moody Radio, a ministry 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:49.920 of Moody Bible Institute. Have a great weekend. See you 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:50.600 next week.