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S1: Delivering the truth daily.

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S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up

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S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl

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S1: and crew. Well, next year, next year, next year.

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S6: Next year is going to be the year. Well, we're

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S6: You know it's true about that. But I'm really looking

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S4: So what makes you so certain?

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S6: Oh, no. No, I just I get my hopes up

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S2: There's always next year.

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S6: There's always next year.

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S6: Oh man, it was something else. And I don't watch

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S4: It's been a wild March Madness. I don't know if

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S2: I haven't seen, I just I've been following whether Illinois

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S6: Isn't competition something else? I don't care what it is.

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S2: Beach volleyball is different. I could do regular volleyball.

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S6: Oh, yeah, she's a volleyball pro.

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S5: All right, now finish your story.

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S2: No, no, it just tightened so hard. They like overexerted

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S4: Why am I creaking? I went to bed. Okay.

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S5: I'm 30.

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S2: Now. I just needed to. I needed to clarify with

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S2: Thank you.

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S6: Well, we went around Mccready's barn.

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S4: I don't know if we had a point to start.

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S2: There's always next year. I think that's where you start.

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S4: Oh, okay.

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S6: We've got next year. That's what Young Thunder and I

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S2: It ain't happening this time, that's for sure.

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S6: Ali, all super day. All you do is set.

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S4: Well, Super Di had some volleyball playing experience, too.

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S6: That's what I'm saying.

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S4: She sets it, too.

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S7: Yeah.

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S4: And I think when you look at this passage, verse 13, um,

459
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S4: he said to them, it is written, my house shall

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S4: be called a house of prayer, but you make it

461
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S4: a den of robbers. I mean, intent and purpose really matters.

462
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S4: And so when we think about our own church services,

463
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S4: our own places of worship. What what is the primary

464
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S4: thing that's happening there? What's the primary purpose for us

465
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S4: being there? And it's easier than we might realize to

466
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S4: get kind of into the things that maybe we're not

467
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S4: selling pigeons, but there's other things that are happening that

468
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S4: aren't necessarily the may shouldn't be the main focus.

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S6: Yeah. I mean, what could God say? I guess he could.

470
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S6: He could. If Jesus were here, he could flip over

471
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S6: the table of spectatorship and say, you weren't to be spectators.

472
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S6: You were to be commuters. This is a place where

473
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S6: you meet with me. This is all. This is a

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S6: holy assembly here. Holy week man, Holy week.

475
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S1: He was running from God. But God's love brought him home.

476
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S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on

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S1: Moody Radio.

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S6: Okay, guys, coming up here. Speaking of Holy Week. Oh

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S6: my goodness. We're going to be not sequential. We're going

480
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S6: to give you the sequential thing all throughout Holy Week,

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S6: but we're going to duck in and out, hit different aspects.

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S6: And we got Doctor Lutzer coming up here. Ali.

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S4: Yeah. Cries from the cross. What were those things that, uh,

484
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S4: the words that Jesus actually uttered and what do we

485
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S4: need to learn from them even in this Holy Week

486
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S4: coming up, Pastor Erwin Lutzer.

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S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to

488
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S1: Carl and crew.

489
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S6: All week long. Boom crew. We're looking at the narrative

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S6: of what is classically known as Holy Week. It's an

491
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S6: incredible week. The words that Jesus spoke to his disciples.

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S6: I'm reminded of John chapter 15, Young Thunder, when we

493
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S6: talk about favorites. And Ali, that's right in there with

494
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S6: yours as well.

495
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S7: Oh, yeah.

496
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S6: Just the reality that apart from God, we can do nothing,

497
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S6: but it's to God's glory that we bear much fruit.

498
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S6: What a beautiful promise that is. But then we march

499
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S6: all the way to the cross. And then on the

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S6: cross you see Jesus speaking some final words or what

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S6: Pastor Lutzer has called the Seven Cries. He's with us

502
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S6: right now. Pastor Lutzer, this is a great week for

503
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S6: a holy reset for all of us, isn't it?

504
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S9: It really is. And what we need to understand is

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S9: the cross really is a focal point not only for Christianity,

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S9: but in some sense for the whole world. But imagine

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S9: this where do we see the greatest love at the cross?

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S9: Where do we see the greatest justice at the cross?

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S9: Where do we see all of the attributes of God

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S9: displayed but at the cross? So it is pivotal. And

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S9: no wonder Paul says, God forbid that I should glory

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S9: except in the cross of Christ.

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S4: We have Pastor Erwin Lutzer, Doctor Erwin Lutzer with us

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S4: right now, pastor emeritus of Moody Church. You can hear

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S4: him on his radio program running to win here on

516
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S4: Moody Radio. You authored the book cries from the cross.

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S4: Let's talk about some of these cries. What about a

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S4: cry for pardon? Jesus's cry for pardon?

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S9: Well, you know, that's actually the first cry where he said, father,

520
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S9: forgive them, for they know not what they do. Now,

521
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S9: in one sense, they did know what they were doing,

522
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S9: but it's also very clear that they didn't know the

523
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S9: absolute horror of what they were doing. As a matter

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S9: of fact, I think there's somewhere in the scripture where

525
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S9: it talks about for had they known it, they would

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S9: not have crucified the Lord of glory. We should not

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S9: look at that cry as if Jesus was absolving everyone,

528
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S9: and that everyone who was connected with the cross was

529
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S9: going to be forgiven. It was really a prayer for

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S9: those for whom it was intended. And when you think

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S9: of the centurion who believed on Christ right there, you

532
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S9: go to the book of acts. You see thousands of

533
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S9: people converted. So Jesus, however, was showing his heart. Imagine this.

534
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S9: There he is on the cross. And what is he doing?

535
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S9: He's offering forgiveness. Amazing.

536
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S6: It's truly amazing. Another statement that was made to one

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S6: of the two thieves. Truly, I say to you today

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S6: you will be with me in Paradise. So much packed

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S6: into that theologically, isn't it, pastor?

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S9: It really is. And you know, I just absolutely love

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S9: that because notice that Jesus is the king to the

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S9: very end there on the cross. Now, I want us

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S9: to imagine that man. He's looking at Jesus. Jesus looks

544
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S9: just as much vilified as his partner on the other

545
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S9: side of Jesus. Why does he say, remember me when

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S9: you come into your kingdom? It's because as people were

547
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S9: walking by, they would read what the cross of Christ,

548
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S9: the superscription that was on the cross. King of the Jews.

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S9: So he thought to himself, if he's a king, he

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S9: must have a kingdom. And so he says, remember me

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S9: when you come into your kingdom. He didn't even have

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S9: the nerve to say, accept me, but remember me, right?

553
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S9: And Jesus said, today you shall be with me in Paradise.

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S9: Here is a thief who no doubt had an early

555
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S9: morning breakfast with his cohort, who was also a thief,

556
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S9: and he's going to sup with Christ at the end

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S9: of the day. Yeah, what an amazing story. But it

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S9: shows the authority of Jesus.

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S4: Wow. You know, one of the unique, I think one

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S4: of the cries from the cross is when Jesus gives

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S4: an assignment. Woman, behold your son, and behold your mother.

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S4: This interesting detail that he thinks to care for his

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S4: mother even as he's in agony. Talk a little bit

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S4: about that one.

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S9: Well, you see the selflessness of Jesus. I mean, here

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S9: he is in agony. And what is he concerned about?

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S9: He's concerned about his mother, and he puts her under

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S9: the care of John. And the Bible says that after

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S9: that John brought her into his home and cared for her.

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S9: So even on the cross, Jesus was thinking of others.

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S9: And what a beautiful reminder of the fact that here

572
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S9: he is going through incredible agony. We need to understand this.

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S9: Hell is forever. Now imagine the judgment of hell, which

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S9: goes on forever, crammed into three dark hours on the cross.

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S9: It's not possible for us to grasp what Jesus was

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S9: going through. This was not just physical agony. This was

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S9: spiritual agony. Yeah. This was, of course, an issue with

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S9: his father. It's not as if God broke up his unity,

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S9: but I think it is the next cry where Jesus says,

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S9: My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Fellowship

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S9: with the father was broken.

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S6: Yeah, that's an interesting statement. That one gets taken out

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S6: of context often. Give us some clarity on that one, pastor.

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S9: Well, it's very interesting, Karl, that this is the only

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S9: time when Jesus refers to his father as God, my God,

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S9: my God. But he still believes because he says, My God,

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S9: my God, why have you forsaken me? He's going through

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S9: a break in fellowship, not a break in the ontological

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S9: unity of the Trinity. And then isn't it interesting that

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S9: his very last cry. He says, father, into thy hands

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S9: I commit my spirit. So at the end, fellowship with

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S9: the father is back. But for now, as he's bearing

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S9: sin now, this needs to be clarified. There was no

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S9: sin in him, but our sin was laid upon him,

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S9: and he was bearing our guilt, and he was bearing

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S9: the suffering that came with our sin. And there he

597
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S9: was on the cross. And even the fellowship with the

598
00:31:00,490 --> 00:31:03,490
S9: father was broken, but it was restored at the end.

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S6: So beautiful. We see the efficacy of God's grace. We

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S6: see the humanity of the God-Man Jesus, and we see

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S6: the incredible mercy by crying out, forgive them, for they

602
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S6: know not what they do. Coming up here, there is

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S6: another statement, a cry from the cross. One last that

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S6: we want to touch on, and Doctor Lutzer has done

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S6: a deep dive on this truth. Hang on.

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S1: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is

607
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S1: in the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio.

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S6: Well, this one last cry from the cross is an

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S6: important one. Doctor Lutzer is our guest right now. I

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S6: guess we don't need to ID him, but we might

611
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S6: as well. Ali.

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S4: You know him from running to win a daily Bible

613
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S4: teaching broadcast heard on Moody Radio and around the world.

614
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S4: He's also pastor emeritus of Moody Church.

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S6: All right, pastor, I thirst. What in the world is

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S6: going on with those two words?

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S9: First of all, I just want us to grasp what

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S9: Jesus is saying. Here he is. He's the creator of

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S9: the oceans and the rivers of the world. And he

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S9: is thirsty in this passage of Scripture. And this comes

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S9: to us from John chapter 19. We see the humanity

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S9: of Jesus and, well, mighty thirst. I mean, when you

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S9: stop to think of it, he was arrested. He spent

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S9: the night in jail. He has the trials, he's been lacerated.

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S9: He's carrying his own cross. And it is said that

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S9: crucifixion is really slow dehydration. So there is Jesus and

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S9: he says, I thirst. What a representation of his humanity.

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S9: But isn't this interesting? Why is it that he says this?

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S9: It's not just that he was thirsty, but the Bible

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S9: says this, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. In other words,

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S9: this now shows the submission of Jesus to the Scripture.

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S9: It's really a reference to Psalm 69, verse 21, where

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S9: it says, they gave me poison for food and sour

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S9: wine for my thirst. And if you read the 19th chapter,

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S9: you see it right there. That they gave him sour wine.

636
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S9: So at the end of the day, Jesus is saying,

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S9: there's one more thing that needs to be fulfilled, and

638
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S9: that is that the scripture needs to be fulfilled. So

639
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S9: here is Jesus saying that he thirsts. What a wonderful

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S9: representation of humanity. And this, of course, also means that

641
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S9: he can identify with our weaknesses. To the person who's

642
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S9: listening out there right now. Have you been betrayed? Jesus

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S9: would say, I've been there. Have you been falsely accused

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S9: in a number of trials that have gone against you,

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S9: rigged trials? Jesus would say, I've been there. Have you

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S9: felt as if your body was weak and you're going

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S9: through a lot of suffering? Jesus would say, I've been

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S9: there and he says, I thirst.

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S4: Pastor Erwin Lutzer, our guest right now. You know, when

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S4: we think about thirst, we the obvious, the physical. We've

651
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S4: all had a thirst for water. You spend time working

652
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S4: on a hot day and nothing is better than a

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S4: cold glass of water. But there's also this, this inward thirst,

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S4: this search for significance, the search for purpose. Karl named

655
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S4: his husky pup after Blaise Pascal, who talked about that

656
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S4: void within us, that thirst really, that can only be

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S4: filled by God. Talk about those two different types of thirst.

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S9: You're absolutely right. Ali and I just want all of

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S9: us to take a deep breath because of what I'm

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S9: going to say now. All of us are born thirsty physically,

661
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S9: of course, we're born thirsty. But spiritually, as you outlined.

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S9: But the question is, how long will we thirst? In

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S9: Luke chapter 16, Jesus tells the story of a rich

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S9: man who, because of his dependence upon his riches ends

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S9: up in Hades. And in those days, he was able

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S9: to communicate with Lazarus, who was in Abraham's bosom. And

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S9: he said, Abraham, ask Lazarus to dip his finger in

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S9: water and put it on my tongue, for I am

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S9: tormented in this flame. Now I say this with hesitation,

670
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S9: but think of it 2000 years later, that man still

671
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S9: has not felt the water on his tongue. So we're

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S9: all going to thirst. But I want to bless everyone

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S9: who is listening right now with this passage of Scripture

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S9: from revelation. This is heaven. Therefore they are before the

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S9: throne of God, and serve him day and night in

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S9: his temple. And he who sits on the throne will

677
00:36:12,350 --> 00:36:16,390
S9: shelter them with his presence. They shall hunger no more,

678
00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:21,560
S9: neither thirst anymore. The sun shall not strike them, nor

679
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,439
S9: any scorching heat, for the Lamb in the midst of

680
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,560
S9: the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide

681
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,800
S9: them to springs of living water. And God will wipe

682
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,960
S9: away every tear from their eyes. Imagine the difference between

683
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,240
S9: the man in Hades and the beauties of heaven, where

684
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,880
S9: we will thirst no more.

685
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,080
S6: Yeah, that is moving. Doctor Erwin Lutzer has been with

686
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,040
S6: us here, and many of you are going to want

687
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,560
S6: to hear this again. And that's what we're going to

688
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,000
S6: point you to because you need to hear this again.

689
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,799
S6: This has been one of the most moving times that

690
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,040
S6: I've ever had with Pastor Lutzer on this show. And

691
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,279
S6: we've had many. Yeah. That's power.

692
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,040
S4: It really is. And there are two different things we're

693
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,440
S4: going to point to. When you text this key word,

694
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480
S4: there's a sermon series that he's actually preached on the

695
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,279
S4: cries of the cross that breaks these down further. And

696
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,220
S4: then also a book, Cries from the cross that's available

697
00:37:21,219 --> 00:37:24,020
S4: through Moody Publishers. So if you text media, we'll get

698
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:30,460
S4: you the links to both just text media to (800) 555-7898.

699
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:34,780
S4: Text media to (800) 555-7898.

700
00:37:35,260 --> 00:37:38,260
S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then

701
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:42,660
S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Karl

702
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:44,379
S1: and crew on Moody Radio.

703
00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:48,220
S6: I got an email early this morning from a good

704
00:37:48,219 --> 00:37:52,460
S6: friend in Israel, Omer Eshel. He has been our guide

705
00:37:52,460 --> 00:37:54,219
S6: when I've gone over there. What have I done for

706
00:37:54,219 --> 00:37:57,100
S6: trips to Israel? Taking guided tours over there. It's been

707
00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:02,620
S6: an incredible, incredible experience, for sure. God willing, going back in,

708
00:38:02,660 --> 00:38:07,700
S6: I think November, something like that. Um, this is heartbreaking

709
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:11,419
S6: and sobering. And he sent me this email. He said,

710
00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:13,460
S6: hey buddy, how are you? I hope you're doing well.

711
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,540
S6: I got an email yesterday from the son of pastor.

712
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:18,020
S6: I'm not going to say who it is who's a

713
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,480
S6: good friend of mine. I used to go to China

714
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,120
S6: and give lectures there a few years ago. This pastor's

715
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,920
S6: son emailed me that Chinese authorities had sent him and

716
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,719
S6: his wife, his dad and his mom to jail with

717
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,080
S6: very limited access. It's an underground church that was busted,

718
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,320
S6: and I did a little more research on it, and

719
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,880
S6: it was along with ten other leaders, and they're going

720
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,560
S6: up the river for a long time. So he's asking

721
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,399
S6: me if basically if we can highlight it, get his

722
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,680
S6: son on air. I'm finding out where his son is.

723
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,160
S6: I don't know where he's at. I'm sure he's not

724
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:57,080
S6: in China. But this is real for our brothers and sisters.

725
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,480
S6: I mean, I just got that this morning, Ali. Wow.

726
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:00,600
S5: Wow.

727
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,160
S4: I mean, it's it's that's such a shocking thing to,

728
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,160
S4: to think about.

729
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,680
S6: Yeah. And what a small world we have. So I

730
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,200
S6: get a, I get an email from a friend in

731
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,080
S6: Israel who got contacted by a son of a friend

732
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,940
S6: that he's done lectureships when it was a little more.

733
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:20,980
S6: I don't know if it was. Oh, it certainly wasn't

734
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:23,540
S6: open three years ago when Omer would go and speak

735
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:30,500
S6: of Israel in China. But now we've got a brother

736
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:33,339
S6: and sister, a mom and a dad. And by the way,

737
00:39:33,340 --> 00:39:37,380
S6: they're not young. They're 68, 70 years old. And they've

738
00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:41,299
S6: been they were raided and they got this network of

739
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:45,500
S6: underground churches busted. And some of you might wonder, what

740
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:49,980
S6: do you do ethically with the gospel in a country

741
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:52,339
S6: that you're supposed to be subject to their leaders? And

742
00:39:52,340 --> 00:39:54,860
S6: it's called a hierarchical law. And you go to acts

743
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:57,100
S6: four and you see Peter and John, and they get,

744
00:39:57,340 --> 00:40:01,460
S6: you know, released from prison with the threat of shut up,

745
00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:04,020
S6: don't talk about Jesus anymore. And what did they say?

746
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:06,940
S6: What are we going to serve God or man we

747
00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:11,060
S6: serve in? You guys know is what their answer is. Basically,

748
00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:13,339
S6: they told him, you can threaten us all you want,

749
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:16,200
S6: but we aren't going to shut up. So that's the

750
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,000
S6: ethical angle that you take for these folks that are

751
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,640
S6: in countries where we're subject to governing authorities, there's a

752
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,040
S6: there's a break point at which we say, okay, we're

753
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,000
S6: going to honor our governing authorities until this. And the

754
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,240
S6: gospel is one of this.

755
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,640
S4: Until there's a mandate to do something or to not

756
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,880
S4: do something that clearly God has called us to do,

757
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,799
S4: such as preaching the gospel meeting.

758
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,800
S6: It's so I am so grateful I got that email

759
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,480
S6: because number one, it lets us pray and I'm going

760
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,200
S6: to have you pray. We're going to keep them nameless,

761
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,880
S6: because I don't want to do any of that until

762
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,919
S6: I get details here, Ali. But we're going to pray

763
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,400
S6: for a pastor and his wife and ten other underground

764
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,359
S6: pastors that were all rated simultaneously. So they did surveillance

765
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,120
S6: on these guys, obviously, and then they went in and

766
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,640
S6: busted them. At least that's the that's some of the

767
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,540
S6: information that I have. But it's good for us to

768
00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:21,100
S6: remember this because we've got this little beaker called American Christianity,

769
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:24,779
S6: and it ain't anywhere. It doesn't resemble anything of most

770
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:26,820
S6: of our brothers and sisters around the globe.

771
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:29,060
S4: Yeah. And you know, you, you think, what do you

772
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:32,379
S4: do with that kind of information? Because it's heartbreaking and

773
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:34,819
S4: it's it, it feels very far off. But these are

774
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:36,540
S4: our brothers and sisters in Christ.

775
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:39,540
S6: And right now, what time is it in China right now?

776
00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:44,020
S6: Somebody do that really quickly. Well China's big so give

777
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:44,859
S6: me Beijing.

778
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:48,260
S4: So that's where this couple is.

779
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,259
S6: I think it's near it. Yeah. Okay. It's near.

780
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:53,420
S2: It's uh 8:04 p.m. 8:04 p.m..

781
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:55,979
S6: So they're going to bed right now, maybe first night

782
00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:59,820
S6: in the clink. Second, maybe. I don't know the details

783
00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:03,180
S6: on it, but let's rally folks around this and let's

784
00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:06,460
S6: pray for our brothers and sisters in China. Underground church

785
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:08,259
S6: just arrested for the gospel.

786
00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:13,799
S4: Yeah. Lord, we thank you that you are so much

787
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,680
S4: greater that there's no force, no person, no power, no

788
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,040
S4: principality that can stand against you, our great God. So

789
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,080
S4: we pray specifically for this pastor and his wife, who

790
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,120
S4: we don't know their names, Lord. We don't know all

791
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,000
S4: of the details, but God, we know that they are

792
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,360
S4: being taken because of their love for you, because of

793
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,560
S4: their service unto you God. And so we pray for

794
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,680
S4: their protection. We pray that you would thwart every evil

795
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,879
S4: plan as it pertains to them in their congregation and

796
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,320
S4: every other Christian in these underground churches and places where, Lord,

797
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,759
S4: that the governing authorities are hostile to you, hostile to

798
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,280
S4: the freedom that comes with knowing you. Lord, we pray

799
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,879
S4: that you would raise up those who would be courageous,

800
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,960
S4: those who have power and influence, that they would bow

801
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,920
S4: their knee to you, Lord, that you would bring repentance

802
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,440
S4: and awakening, Lord, that those who believe a false gospel,

803
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,250
S4: those who have been brainwashed to believe something about you.

804
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:18,370
S4: That's not true. God, that you would open blinded eyes.

805
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:22,450
S4: That you would crush the head of the serpent. Yes, Lord,

806
00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:25,290
S4: we thank you that God. We don't have to fear, Lord,

807
00:43:25,290 --> 00:43:28,330
S4: but we can be bold and courageous knowing that we

808
00:43:28,330 --> 00:43:32,529
S4: serve a God who's all powerful, all knowing, and who

809
00:43:32,530 --> 00:43:37,090
S4: can reach into every corner. Lord, you're already there. You're

810
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:40,290
S4: meeting them there, Lord. We ask for their protection and

811
00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:42,969
S4: for their ultimate deliverance, and that the gospel would go

812
00:43:42,969 --> 00:43:46,489
S4: forth in power. In Jesus name, Amen.

813
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:51,689
S6: Let it be. Yeah. I mean, that regime. I mean,

814
00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:53,890
S6: you look at G and his wife and they come

815
00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:58,410
S6: and they have these confabs with free countries and you know,

816
00:43:58,450 --> 00:44:02,049
S6: it all looks so sanitary on the outside. But I mean,

817
00:44:02,050 --> 00:44:06,090
S6: just take what happened in Iran. They had some they

818
00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:12,550
S6: had exported some anti aircraft, some kind of new fangled

819
00:44:12,590 --> 00:44:17,070
S6: technology that China had exported to Iran, and it utterly

820
00:44:17,070 --> 00:44:23,070
S6: failed against the IDF and against American forces. Utterly failed.

821
00:44:23,110 --> 00:44:25,910
S6: You know what happened? They took that lead engineer in China.

822
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:28,669
S6: We know this for a fact. They took that lead

823
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:32,430
S6: engineer and they they deposed him from his position, and

824
00:44:32,430 --> 00:44:35,029
S6: then he is no longer.

825
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:35,630
S5: Oh, wow.

826
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:43,190
S6: They put him out. So this is. Listen, man, godlessness

827
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:45,110
S6: is a bad thing, right, Ellie?

828
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:45,630
S7: Yeah.

829
00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:50,029
S4: I mean, you think about what's possible. Think about the

830
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:52,230
S4: Holy Spirit restraining evil.

831
00:44:52,469 --> 00:44:55,509
S6: Oh my word. And when the restraint of evil is

832
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:57,030
S6: all off, all bets are off.

833
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:58,230
S5: Man.

834
00:44:59,510 --> 00:45:02,830
S6: Katy, bar the door. Okay, speaking of Iran, we're going

835
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:06,790
S6: to get insider scoop as best we can. Doctor Hormoz Shariat,

836
00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:09,750
S6: one of the voices. We've had three voices in here

837
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:13,890
S6: now that have a perspective of what's going on in Iran. Doctor,

838
00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:19,690
S6: it has a incredible ministry via satellite into Iran. It's

839
00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:24,850
S6: called Iran alive and 7 million daily viewers. It's almost

840
00:45:24,850 --> 00:45:28,009
S6: hard to get your head around 7 million. Yeah. And

841
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:30,209
S6: I know it's going in via satellite, so I don't

842
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:33,330
S6: think it's internet necessary and all that stuff. And they

843
00:45:33,330 --> 00:45:35,969
S6: don't get jammed. Or maybe they do, but we're going

844
00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:38,290
S6: to get the latest insights from him.

845
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:41,770
S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

846
00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:46,010
S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

847
00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:48,210
S1: Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

848
00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:53,450
S6: There was a massacre of a group of people on

849
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:58,250
S6: Palm Sunday, and it looks like it was a spiritual attack,

850
00:45:58,290 --> 00:46:01,730
S6: a religious attack. Uh, but that's in northern Nigeria, and

851
00:46:01,730 --> 00:46:03,850
S6: that's been a powder keg as of late. My goodness.

852
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:06,450
S6: We've been dipping into that region a lot here lately,

853
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:10,310
S6: all around the globe. Ali doesn't seem to end here, sister.

854
00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:13,630
S4: Yeah. So we want to bring in a special guest. Doctor. Chariot.

855
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:16,390
S4: He's been on with us before. Founder and president of

856
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:20,830
S4: Iran Alive Ministries, which uses satellite broadcasting and the internet

857
00:46:20,830 --> 00:46:24,390
S4: to reach Iranians with the gospel. Good morning, Doctor Chariot.

858
00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:27,830
S4: Give us the latest. Give us the latest update from Iran.

859
00:46:28,469 --> 00:46:31,590
S10: So much is happening in Iran. History is in the making,

860
00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:37,190
S10: both not just political, but spiritual and even biblical. Jeremiah 49,

861
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:41,310
S10: verses 34 and on many of those verses are being fulfilled.

862
00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:43,989
S10: So much is happening. There is a spiritual battle going

863
00:46:43,989 --> 00:46:47,149
S10: on as well as a military battle. So we need

864
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:49,350
S10: to be aware of what's happening so we can align

865
00:46:49,350 --> 00:46:52,710
S10: ourselves with the Lord. We, as Christians, we are called

866
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:56,590
S10: to know what's happening, what God wants to do, and

867
00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:58,110
S10: align ourselves with him.

868
00:46:58,350 --> 00:47:01,150
S6: Let's go back to those scriptures. What are you seeing

869
00:47:01,310 --> 00:47:06,150
S6: as far as the bow is breaking, the power structure, uh,

870
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:11,330
S6: is disintegrating. Do you truly see this as fulfillment of

871
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:15,210
S6: the prophecies of this kind of evil structure? With the

872
00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:19,250
S6: mullahs as we know it being really taken down a notch,

873
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:20,530
S6: if not taken out?

874
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:25,250
S10: Well, those verses are so closely matched, match the current

875
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:27,969
S10: events that you cannot ignore it. It might not be

876
00:47:27,969 --> 00:47:31,290
S10: the final fulfillment of those verses, but when you look

877
00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:33,450
S10: at it, you say, wow, this is happening. You know,

878
00:47:33,489 --> 00:47:37,089
S10: like a scattering of Iranians all over the world has

879
00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:41,569
S10: never happened in over 5000 years of history in Iran.

880
00:47:41,610 --> 00:47:44,850
S10: But it has happened the last 40 some years and

881
00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:47,569
S10: other things, you know, breaking the bow of Iran bow

882
00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:51,570
S10: is where you send, you know, your missiles and the power,

883
00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:54,210
S10: the base of power. That's what Jeremiah says, the base

884
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:59,529
S10: of power and the missile sites, nuclear sites, military sites, economy.

885
00:47:59,850 --> 00:48:02,169
S10: The base of power has been destroyed. Then it talks

886
00:48:02,170 --> 00:48:05,810
S10: about the massacre, which we saw in January. We saw

887
00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:12,149
S10: 40,000 people killed in two days and about 100,000 people arrested.

888
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:14,989
S10: They're in jail, and you don't hear much about those

889
00:48:14,989 --> 00:48:18,390
S10: in jail, but they're being executed every day. But the

890
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:21,990
S10: news doesn't come out. Sometimes it comes out of one person.

891
00:48:21,989 --> 00:48:24,870
S10: An athlete was killed just 3 or 4 days ago.

892
00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:28,430
S6: Yeah. That wrestler. Yeah. That was highly noted in. And

893
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:32,469
S6: you know what? There was a universal outcry against that globally.

894
00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:37,230
S10: Yeah. The people around the world do not know exactly

895
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:41,469
S10: what's happening. It's confusing because of the news. They just see, okay,

896
00:48:41,469 --> 00:48:45,270
S10: there's a there's a US attack, an Israeli attack on

897
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:49,710
S10: Iran and many of Americans. That's that's amazes us Iranians

898
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:54,270
S10: both inside and outside that Americans rally, stop the war,

899
00:48:54,670 --> 00:48:58,469
S10: stop attacking Iran. And Iranians are saying, are you crazy?

900
00:48:58,710 --> 00:49:01,629
S10: We were asking for this. We have been we have

901
00:49:01,630 --> 00:49:04,509
S10: been begging Israel and Trump to do this for a

902
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:07,440
S10: couple of years. Would you come and help us? Because

903
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,359
S10: the government of Iran will kill us. Coming on, on streets.

904
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,000
S10: So what is happening in reality is different than what

905
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,360
S10: you hear in the news, especially mainstream media.

906
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,480
S4: Let's talk a little bit about Iran Alive Ministries and

907
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,120
S4: the most watched Christian channel in Iran with over 7

908
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,840
S4: million daily viewers. What kind of programming are you bringing?

909
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,160
S4: Even as we head into Holy Week.

910
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,040
S10: Praise the Lord. God has given us this channel and

911
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,640
S10: we use it to serve the people. We are not

912
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,160
S10: a regular Christian channel that you see in the West.

913
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,200
S10: This is a tool of ministry. This is a church

914
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,200
S10: helping people. So our programming is evangelistic and we have

915
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,560
S10: programs to help families. We have kids programs and we

916
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,359
S10: have programs for Christians to grow. You know, there's no

917
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,000
S10: church in Iran. The churches are closed, but there's so

918
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,860
S10: many so many Christians and even us over 1400 new

919
00:50:06,860 --> 00:50:11,100
S10: Salvations we register every month and more than that come

920
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:13,820
S10: to Christ. So they need help. We use the channel

921
00:50:13,820 --> 00:50:16,580
S10: not just to evangelize, but to help the underground church

922
00:50:16,580 --> 00:50:19,500
S10: to grow. And we have underground churches and we have

923
00:50:19,540 --> 00:50:23,460
S10: online churches. So this is a channel to advance God's

924
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:27,259
S10: kingdom in any way possible. As an example, when things

925
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:30,900
S10: happened in January, The killing, we just started a daily

926
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:36,500
S10: broadcast live, ministering to the pain of people, crying with them,

927
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:40,420
S10: giving them real hope. The real hope is in Jeremiah 4938.

928
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:42,980
S10: I mean, it's a written promise of God. We are

929
00:50:42,980 --> 00:50:46,500
S10: using this channel to serve the people wherever they are.

930
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:50,940
S10: They're crying, we cry with them. They're happy. We rejoice

931
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:51,620
S10: with them.

932
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:53,260
S6: All right, let's get a lay of the land here.

933
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:57,820
S6: The language is Farsi. Are you speaking Farsi into Iran?

934
00:50:57,860 --> 00:51:00,060
S6: That that's what you're speaking in?

935
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:03,299
S10: Yes. The common language in Iran is Farsi, but there

936
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:07,560
S10: are many people groups inside Iraq, Kurds, Turks, Arabs and

937
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,640
S10: they have. The mother language is different than Farsi, but

938
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,240
S10: Farsi covers all of them. And we have some programs

939
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,480
S10: in their native languages. You know, when you want to share,

940
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,160
S10: when you share the gospel, it's more effective when you

941
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,560
S10: share it and people's mothers tongue. So that we have

942
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,680
S10: some programs in other local languages, but the common language

943
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:27,800
S10: is Farsi in Iran.

944
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,920
S6: Okay. By the way, quick note, I gotta tell you,

945
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,240
S6: I met my bride and I met a couple many

946
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:39,479
S6: years ago. I mean, beautiful on fire, young Iranian couple

947
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,840
S6: that were getting equipped to go back to Iran. I'm

948
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,279
S6: doing my best to try to track down where they

949
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,520
S6: are now. Uh, it's many years later, but the passion

950
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,880
S6: of the Iranian people who have come to Jesus to

951
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,480
S6: go back in and share the gospel is astounding, maybe

952
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,680
S6: more so than any country I've seen. These kids. They

953
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,520
S6: were on fire to get the gospel back in there.

954
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,820
S6: So what are you seeing? Give us what we don't

955
00:52:04,820 --> 00:52:07,739
S6: hear on mainstream news. What are you hearing? What are

956
00:52:07,739 --> 00:52:09,419
S6: you seeing? Give us some stories here.

957
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:11,340
S11: Well, I am ready.

958
00:52:11,340 --> 00:52:14,500
S10: I'm ready to go back. And by the way, that's prophesied.

959
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:19,220
S10: Jeremiah 49 3938 says, I will set my throne. And

960
00:52:19,219 --> 00:52:24,380
S10: verse 4939 talks about the people scattered. Go back to

961
00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:28,219
S10: the land. Exact the same phrase the Bible uses for

962
00:52:28,219 --> 00:52:30,620
S10: the Jews, that they will come back and they will

963
00:52:30,620 --> 00:52:33,100
S10: be scattered and they will come back the exact same

964
00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:37,739
S10: similar even wordings are are similar. So the Iran is

965
00:52:37,739 --> 00:52:42,900
S10: ready for a transformation, not just political, but the spiritual

966
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:45,739
S10: and people like me and our ministry. Iran and I,

967
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:48,020
S10: we have a solid plan for when we go back.

968
00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:51,420
S10: You know, I'm so excited. I'm so excited, Carl and Ali,

969
00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:53,899
S10: because with our leaders, we have such a solid plan

970
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:56,020
S10: for Iran opens up and it's going to open up

971
00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:59,340
S10: sooner or later. And last week we were finalizing our

972
00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:02,359
S10: our plans and we looked and said, hey, can you

973
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,520
S10: believe it? Over 25 years of broadcasts, we have believers

974
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,640
S10: in every city, every town, and maybe even every village

975
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,719
S10: in Iran. Wow. And when Iran opens up, we will

976
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,400
S10: be able to plant churches, tens, maybe hundreds of churches

977
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,280
S10: just the first few months. Amazing opportunity if the regime

978
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,160
S10: falls down. But if it doesn't, it's going to be

979
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,160
S10: very ugly. There will be a new wave of persecution

980
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,520
S10: for Christians like never before. So we got to pray

981
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,560
S10: that this thing will go through and the government collapses.

982
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,879
S10: If it survives, it's going to be another massacre. Not

983
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,880
S10: just Christians, anybody who they feel is opposing them, which

984
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,520
S10: they think Christians are. So this is a very critical

985
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,560
S10: time to be ready when it comes down and be

986
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,960
S10: ready if it doesn't.

987
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,360
S4: Doctor. Share it with us right now, Iran Alive Ministries.

988
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,160
S4: Talk a little bit about. To the extent that you

989
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,400
S4: can your your connection to the current underground house churches

990
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,300
S4: and even online churches in Iran.

991
00:54:01,580 --> 00:54:01,900
S11: Right?

992
00:54:01,940 --> 00:54:06,100
S10: Because of media, you know, the satellite television is a signal.

993
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:09,020
S10: Video signal goes over the heads of the mullahs into

994
00:54:09,020 --> 00:54:12,340
S10: people's homes. And by the way, when they turned off internet,

995
00:54:12,380 --> 00:54:14,730
S10: they have turned off internet for the last 2 or

996
00:54:14,730 --> 00:54:17,860
S10: 3 months. When they turn off internet, we get more viewers.

997
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:21,180
S10: So that's 7 million was the number was given us

998
00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:24,380
S10: by an independent survey. But now I think it's more.

999
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:28,140
S10: So people are ready for for the gospel. And you

1000
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:32,100
S10: mentioned before, you know, I came on that those who

1001
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:35,900
S10: come from darkness, they love the Lord more. They appreciate

1002
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:38,739
S10: the light. So when you see Christians in the persecuted

1003
00:54:38,739 --> 00:54:43,219
S10: countries like Iran, I get inspired. You should get inspired.

1004
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:46,660
S10: They are ready to live and die for Jesus. For example,

1005
00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:51,060
S10: during this time we used the media to encourage encourage

1006
00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:54,580
S10: people who had lost a loved one. Those who were

1007
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:58,779
S10: hopeless give them hope. But also also we use our

1008
00:54:58,780 --> 00:55:03,680
S10: channel to mobilize Christians during those hard times. Christians are

1009
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,840
S10: on the streets, helping the wounded, helping the people, and

1010
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,799
S10: they listen to us. They said, you got to go

1011
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,960
S10: on the streets and help these people. For example, when

1012
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,439
S10: people were wounded, we asked our Christians, hey, bring those

1013
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,239
S10: wounded people into your homes. And you know, you've read

1014
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,640
S10: in the news, you know, the government kills so many people,

1015
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,160
S10: but those who were wounded and went to regular hospitals,

1016
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,360
S10: you know what happened to them? Yeah. The government agents

1017
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,399
S10: went to the hospitals and executed them, laying down on

1018
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,359
S10: a hospital bed. That's what they did. So when they

1019
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,359
S10: were wounded, they wouldn't go to hospital. Ask, ask Christians,

1020
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,600
S10: come serve people. And many of them just brought people

1021
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,120
S10: into their homes. I hear several testimonies of Muslims coming

1022
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,760
S10: to Christ. For example, this this young man was saying,

1023
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,359
S10: my brother and I were on street and we were

1024
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,040
S10: protesting and they started shooting. My brother got a bullet

1025
00:55:58,130 --> 00:56:01,250
S10: in his leg. I put him on my back and

1026
00:56:01,250 --> 00:56:04,290
S10: running away, and they were catching up to us. And

1027
00:56:04,290 --> 00:56:07,290
S10: suddenly a door to apartment building opened up and we

1028
00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:11,330
S10: went in. And the guy who led me let us in. They,

1029
00:56:11,330 --> 00:56:13,890
S10: they closed the door and they took us to their

1030
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:18,210
S10: apartment and they took care of us. They brought a

1031
00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:20,810
S10: doctor that they knew. They brought a nurse that they

1032
00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:24,569
S10: knew to take care of our wounds. And then we

1033
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:26,530
S10: wanted to go back and said, no, you stay here.

1034
00:56:26,530 --> 00:56:29,370
S10: It's safe until you get healed. They will tell your family,

1035
00:56:29,530 --> 00:56:33,450
S10: your mom and dad that you're here. So then he says,

1036
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:37,730
S10: we realized these are Christians. And the few days, a

1037
00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,529
S10: couple of weeks that they were there, they became Christians.

1038
00:56:40,969 --> 00:56:44,810
S10: So Christians are salt and light. Whenever there is a

1039
00:56:44,810 --> 00:56:49,850
S10: killing like that, 40,000 families lost a loved one, mostly

1040
00:56:49,850 --> 00:56:53,250
S10: young people. Every time after that, there is an open

1041
00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:57,109
S10: heaven in Iran, another layer of Muslims, a million. 1,000,002

1042
00:56:57,110 --> 00:57:01,109
S10: million Muslims who used to be devout Muslims. Just six

1043
00:57:01,110 --> 00:57:04,910
S10: months ago, when they see this massacre, they question Islam.

1044
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:07,830
S10: They say, if this is Islam, I do not want Islam.

1045
00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:10,589
S10: What else is out there? And so we see a

1046
00:57:10,590 --> 00:57:14,629
S10: surge in the number of Christians right after these massacres,

1047
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:18,670
S10: the killing of the government. Now, let me share this story.

1048
00:57:18,990 --> 00:57:22,110
S10: One of our leaders in Iran, he said, I became

1049
00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:24,470
S10: a Christian a couple of years ago and I'm very active.

1050
00:57:24,750 --> 00:57:28,070
S10: He said. My family are so devout, so fanatic Muslims.

1051
00:57:28,070 --> 00:57:32,230
S10: They turned against me, they threatened me. It is communicated

1052
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:36,430
S10: with me. And he said, especially my uncle. My uncle

1053
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:40,310
S10: is so fanatic. Six months ago my uncle told me, hey,

1054
00:57:40,550 --> 00:57:44,070
S10: I'm going to turn you in. You have become a Christian,

1055
00:57:44,110 --> 00:57:48,190
S10: you're serving Christianity. I'm going to turn you into the government.

1056
00:57:48,190 --> 00:57:51,270
S10: And when they hang you, when they execute you, I'm

1057
00:57:51,310 --> 00:57:54,790
S10: going to be there watching and enjoying it. He said,

1058
00:57:54,790 --> 00:57:57,450
S10: that's my uncle. But then he said, can you believe

1059
00:57:57,450 --> 00:58:00,610
S10: what happened last night? He said, what happened? He said,

1060
00:58:00,610 --> 00:58:04,690
S10: my uncle called me and he said, tell me about Jesus.

1061
00:58:04,730 --> 00:58:05,490
S12: Oh my word.

1062
00:58:05,810 --> 00:58:11,730
S10: That's a spiritual transformation through suffering, through murder, through death,

1063
00:58:11,850 --> 00:58:15,730
S10: that God, Jesus is using that to bring millions of

1064
00:58:15,730 --> 00:58:16,930
S10: Muslims to Christ.

1065
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:21,850
S6: Everybody. Wow, what a testimony. And if you want more,

1066
00:58:21,850 --> 00:58:24,250
S6: you want to find out what God is doing behind

1067
00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:26,610
S6: the scenes. We've got a link for you right now.

1068
00:58:26,650 --> 00:58:36,210
S4: Text alive to (800) 555-7898. Alive to (800) 555-7898.

1069
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:40,010
S6: How can something like this be so heartbreaking and so

1070
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:44,290
S6: life enthralling at the same time? I mean, it's it's

1071
00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:48,610
S6: devastating and awesome what God is doing in this horrific

1072
00:58:48,850 --> 00:58:52,530
S6: scene in Iran. So grateful for her text alive to

1073
00:58:52,570 --> 00:58:55,810
S6: 800 555 7898.