WEBVTT - Hour 2: Bible Study Questions 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.420 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:11.420 --> 0:00:15.620 Line with Doctor Michael Riedel. It's Moody Radio's Bible study 0:00:15.620 --> 0:00:19.939 Across America. We're talking about your questions about the Bible, 0:00:19.940 --> 0:00:23.630 God and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray Zelnick. 0:00:23.630 --> 0:00:26.119 I'm professor of Jewish studies and Bible, as well as 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.720 academic dean here at Moody Bible Institute. And I'm so 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.690 glad that we're live today. Sitting around the radio kitchen 0:00:32.690 --> 0:00:36.080 table with our coffee and our Bible, we're ready to 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:39.740 study the scriptures together. If you have a question, give 0:00:39.740 --> 0:00:50.180 me a call. The phone number is (877) 548-3675. That's (877) 548-3675. 0:00:50.180 --> 0:00:53.180 If you can't call, just go to our website openline 0:00:53.180 --> 0:00:59.690 radio.org and click on the Ask Michael a question button. 0:00:59.690 --> 0:01:02.540 And you'll fill out the form and your question will 0:01:02.660 --> 0:01:06.770 be put in the mailbag, and Tricia will ask it. 0:01:06.770 --> 0:01:10.850 Sooner or later we'll get to it, I promise. Uh, 0:01:10.850 --> 0:01:13.340 hope you have your Bibles open and you have a 0:01:13.340 --> 0:01:15.770 second cup of coffee, because we're going to talk about 0:01:15.770 --> 0:01:20.390 the scriptures right now with Chuck in Cleveland, Ohio, listening 0:01:20.390 --> 0:01:23.660 on Whkf. Hey, Chuck, welcome to Open Line. How can 0:01:23.660 --> 0:01:24.709 I help you today? 0:01:25.580 --> 0:01:30.170 Yes. Thank you. Michael. Um, I have a question. Okay. 0:01:30.170 --> 0:01:33.590 This has come up lately. Uh, it's I have three 0:01:33.590 --> 0:01:40.010 different views about salvation, um, that I'm hearing from my pastor, 0:01:40.010 --> 0:01:44.270 from a friend of mine who's a messianic Orthodox Jewish 0:01:44.270 --> 0:01:48.560 friend and a ministry I know of. And my pastor's 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:53.030 belief is faith plus nothing. Faith in Jesus plus nothing 0:01:53.030 --> 0:01:58.670 equals salvation. The Messianic Orthodox Jew, he believes that faith 0:01:58.670 --> 0:02:02.540 plus Torah equals salvation. And the ministry that I know of, 0:02:02.540 --> 0:02:07.730 they believe that faith plus repentance equals salvation. I think 0:02:07.730 --> 0:02:12.740 the repentance is, um, something like maybe besetting sin or 0:02:12.740 --> 0:02:17.240 something like that. You know, it's, uh, I would think 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.440 that the Messianic Jew that would, uh, well, you know what? 0:02:21.980 --> 0:02:27.230 Here's the thing. The, uh, let me just jump in 0:02:27.230 --> 0:02:29.570 and I'll tell you, the Bible teaches we are saved 0:02:29.570 --> 0:02:35.780 by grace. That means God's undeserved kindness. We don't deserve it. 0:02:35.780 --> 0:02:42.079 He shows us kindness. We're saved by grace. No works, uh, 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.380 lest a person should boast. But it's. We're saved by 0:02:45.380 --> 0:02:50.570 grace through faith, not of works, lest any person should boast. Well, 0:02:50.570 --> 0:02:52.880 where does repentance? Let's go to the second thing. Some 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.150 people say faith plus repentance. And you know you've got 0:02:56.150 --> 0:02:58.280 to repent. You got to repent. I don't believe in 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:06.620 easy believism, but faith and repentance are two sides of 0:03:06.620 --> 0:03:09.470 the same coin. Which is why in acts two or 0:03:09.470 --> 0:03:13.790 acts three, Peter doesn't call on people to believe. He 0:03:13.790 --> 0:03:18.559 calls upon them to repent. And what that means is 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:23.180 to change your mind. In first Thessalonians one it talks 0:03:23.180 --> 0:03:26.510 about how they turned, which uses another Greek word, but 0:03:26.510 --> 0:03:30.260 they turn from idols to serve the living and true God. 0:03:30.290 --> 0:03:32.960 Now why do I bring that up? Because that's really 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:37.640 what repentance is. And in acts three, he's basically saying 0:03:37.670 --> 0:03:40.760 to the crowd, change your mind about Jesus used to 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:46.190 reject him, now believe in him. Uh, in first Thessalonians one, 0:03:46.190 --> 0:03:51.350 what Paul is saying is, uh, turn from what you 0:03:51.350 --> 0:03:54.650 used to trust, which was idols, and now you have 0:03:54.650 --> 0:03:58.700 turned to the Lord Jesus in whom you trust now. Uh, 0:03:58.700 --> 0:04:04.610 so it's really the act of faith is stopping. We 0:04:04.610 --> 0:04:08.869 stop trusting what we used to trust, and we start 0:04:08.870 --> 0:04:11.839 trusting what God has done for us through the Lord Jesus, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.080 that he died for us and rose again. So really, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.900 repentance isn't sitting in the front row on the sinner's 0:04:17.900 --> 0:04:20.419 bench and thinking about all the bad things we've ever 0:04:20.420 --> 0:04:23.599 done and crying about it and doing all that. What 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.270 it is, is turning from what we used to trust 0:04:26.270 --> 0:04:29.390 and turning to the one we do trust. That's what 0:04:29.390 --> 0:04:34.279 it's about. So it's faith. No works. Uh, and then 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:39.349 the the outcome is that we stop trusting and we 0:04:39.350 --> 0:04:44.150 start trusting. We stop trusting idols. Whatever it is, good works, 0:04:44.150 --> 0:04:46.640 whatever it is we used to trust. And instead, now 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.000 we're trusting in Jesus that he died for us and 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.479 rose again. So faith and repentance, two sides of the 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.330 same coin. Does that make sense so far? 0:04:58.610 --> 0:05:02.060 Um, yes. It sounds like you believe what my pastor believes. Faith. 0:05:02.060 --> 0:05:04.370 Well, no no no no no no no. I believe 0:05:04.370 --> 0:05:07.909 what the Bible teaches. I want to be really clear. 0:05:07.910 --> 0:05:11.840 I want to be really clear. The Bible teaches faith 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.440 and repentance are two sides of the same coin, is 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.780 what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to take 0:05:17.779 --> 0:05:22.130 sides with your pastor or I'm just trying to. This 0:05:22.130 --> 0:05:26.210 is what the Bible teaches. Okay? Okay, okay. 0:05:26.210 --> 0:05:31.100 One other thing is repentance is is, uh, the meaning 0:05:31.100 --> 0:05:34.880 of repentance is metanoia, which means a change of mind. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.120 But a lot of pastors use that word as meaning 0:05:38.150 --> 0:05:39.589 turning from your sin. 0:05:39.589 --> 0:05:41.540 Well, that's what I was just saying. It means. 0:05:41.690 --> 0:05:44.479 What? What you said. What you said is changing your 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.800 mind towards Jesus and His salvation. Not necessarily, you know, 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.960 eradicating all your sins in your life. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.540 No. I don't think we can eradicate all our sins 0:05:53.540 --> 0:05:56.900 in our life. Uh, only he can. Uh, the reason 0:05:56.900 --> 0:06:00.529 I say what I'm what I just said was, if 0:06:00.529 --> 0:06:06.650 you read in the book of acts. Okay, it talks 0:06:06.650 --> 0:06:11.330 about in acts 317. This is in Peter's sermon at 0:06:11.330 --> 0:06:17.869 Solomon's Colonnade, where they healed the lame man, and he's 0:06:17.870 --> 0:06:22.490 talking to the crowd about their rejection of Jesus. And 0:06:22.490 --> 0:06:24.979 they're probably there were people there who were part of 0:06:24.980 --> 0:06:27.530 the crowd that said, crucify him. And he says, brothers, 0:06:27.529 --> 0:06:31.219 I know you did this in ignorance, just as your 0:06:31.220 --> 0:06:35.430 leaders also did. They didn't realize who they were rejecting. 0:06:35.430 --> 0:06:38.460 Had they known, they wouldn't have done it. But what 0:06:38.460 --> 0:06:40.830 God predicted through the mouth of all the prophets that 0:06:40.830 --> 0:06:44.790 his Messiah would would suffer, he has fulfilled in this way. 0:06:44.790 --> 0:06:47.310 And then he says, so what he's talking about is 0:06:47.310 --> 0:06:51.150 their rejection of Jesus. And he says in verse 19, 0:06:51.150 --> 0:06:59.900 therefore repent and turn. Okay. What's he saying? Change your 0:06:59.900 --> 0:07:06.410 mind about Jesus and turn to him. That's what he's saying. 0:07:06.410 --> 0:07:11.150 And so, uh, I'm just the context tells me he's 0:07:11.150 --> 0:07:14.330 not saying go sit at the sinners bench and cry 0:07:14.330 --> 0:07:19.070 over your sins. He's saying, change your mind about Jesus. Uh, 0:07:19.070 --> 0:07:24.020 turn you. You rejected him. Now trust in him. That's 0:07:24.020 --> 0:07:27.260 that's what he's saying. So. And the same thing happens 0:07:27.260 --> 0:07:30.800 in acts two with the crowds there. Peter tells them 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:36.890 to repent. Uh, in acts 238. So, so often we 0:07:36.890 --> 0:07:43.160 take repentance to mean, uh, change your behavior. When the 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.150 Bible teaches it's change your mind about Jesus. That's what 0:07:47.150 --> 0:07:50.780 I'm trying to say now about your friend who says 0:07:50.780 --> 0:07:56.870 that faith is keeping the Torah. Uh, it just basically, 0:07:56.870 --> 0:08:00.470 I think what? Your friend may be mistaken because he 0:08:00.470 --> 0:08:06.470 understands the Torah. For followers of Yeshua of Jesus to 0:08:06.470 --> 0:08:11.740 mean keep kosher, keep Sabbath. Uh, the truth of it 0:08:11.740 --> 0:08:18.820 is the Torah or God's instruction. Uh, today is the 0:08:18.850 --> 0:08:23.050 is the Torah, the law of Messiah, the what the 0:08:23.050 --> 0:08:25.660 New Testament calls the law of Christ, the New Covenant. 0:08:26.050 --> 0:08:31.930 And if we will trust in Jesus, put our trust 0:08:31.930 --> 0:08:35.050 in the Lord Jesus. What will happen is we will 0:08:35.050 --> 0:08:41.380 express that faith by keeping that Messianic Torah, the law 0:08:41.380 --> 0:08:44.559 of Christ, or being obedient to him. If you love me, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.880 you'll keep my commandments. The Lord Jesus said, so, uh, there. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.730 He may be a little confused about what the Torah is, 0:08:51.730 --> 0:08:54.880 that we will. And the thing is, it doesn't. Faith 0:08:54.880 --> 0:09:00.040 is not equal to keeping those commandments. Faith is expressed 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:05.079 if we really love Jesus by keeping his commandments. That's 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:10.839 what it's about. So anyway, uh, hope that helps, Chuck. Uh, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.689 I'm not sure that you felt it did, but I'll 0:09:13.690 --> 0:09:18.370 do my best with it. Okay. Uh, Wilburn in Ohio, 0:09:18.370 --> 0:09:22.150 listening on Wqrf. Welcome to Open Line. How did I 0:09:22.150 --> 0:09:23.440 get your name right, Wilburn? 0:09:24.190 --> 0:09:25.480 Yes, you did, sir. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.290 That's an unusual name. I've never met anyone named Wilburn before. 0:09:30.580 --> 0:09:33.640 Yes, sir. I shall only show a little from my 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.500 good Jewish buddy here in Akron. 0:09:35.530 --> 0:09:36.250 Okay. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:43.690 Sir. Alright. Mine is from first Corinthians chapter three, verse 21, 0:09:43.750 --> 0:09:47.500 and it states, therefore, let no man glory in men, 0:09:47.500 --> 0:09:51.400 for all things are yours. Do yours. Is that God's 0:09:51.700 --> 0:09:53.410 point to God or to us? 0:09:56.890 --> 0:09:59.770 Let's see. It says, the Lord knows that the reasonings 0:09:59.770 --> 0:10:02.440 of the wise are meaningless. So no one should boast 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:09.010 in human leaders, for everything is yours. Uh huh. I 0:10:09.010 --> 0:10:10.630 think it's talking about people. 0:10:11.650 --> 0:10:12.700 Okay, okay. 0:10:12.700 --> 0:10:13.300 Yeah, okay. 0:10:13.300 --> 0:10:17.500 That's what I was sure you know, above all things 0:10:17.500 --> 0:10:20.950 get understanding. So I got it now. Okay? Okay. Thank 0:10:20.950 --> 0:10:25.030 you so much. Shalom. They better leave Israel alone. They 0:10:25.030 --> 0:10:28.660 better leave him alone. Shalom, Shalom. God bless you, sir. 0:10:28.690 --> 0:10:34.360 Bye bye. Uh. Let's see, Uh, I'm trying to see 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:40.210 what time here. Uh, okay. We're in the window, so. Okay, 0:10:40.210 --> 0:10:42.280 we're going to we're going to take a break here. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:47.410 And when we come back, we're going to talk to Marilyn. So. Marilyn, 0:10:47.410 --> 0:10:51.250 don't hang up, okay? Uh, we're going to you're listening 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.100 to Open Line. My name is Michael Ray Melnick, and 0:10:54.100 --> 0:10:56.590 we're taking your questions about the Bible, God and the 0:10:56.590 --> 0:10:59.530 spiritual life. Marilyn's got a question about the Trinity, so 0:10:59.530 --> 0:11:00.940 I wanted to make sure I had enough time to 0:11:00.940 --> 0:11:04.450 answer it. When we come back, we'll talk to Marilyn, 0:11:04.450 --> 0:11:21.640 and so stay with us. Welcome back to Open Line. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.800 You know the last caller or next to. Yeah, I 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.620 think it was next to last caller. I talked about 0:11:26.620 --> 0:11:29.530 the book of acts and the issues of what does 0:11:29.530 --> 0:11:31.630 the book of acts teach about repentance. And one of 0:11:31.630 --> 0:11:34.630 the things that I found really helpful was talking about 0:11:34.929 --> 0:11:38.950 that subject with a professor I had in seminary, and 0:11:38.950 --> 0:11:42.099 his name was Doctor Charles Ryrie. I had him for 0:11:42.100 --> 0:11:45.670 a course called The Doctrine of Salvation, and we talked 0:11:45.670 --> 0:11:47.650 about the book of acts. And he really knew the 0:11:47.650 --> 0:11:51.819 book of Acts because he wrote the moody, every day 0:11:51.820 --> 0:11:55.600 Bible commentary on acts. And that's our current resource. And 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.410 he was very, very helpful in explaining those issues in 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.500 that course. And it's one of the reasons why I 0:12:02.500 --> 0:12:04.959 love this book and why we're offering it as our 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.579 resource resource this time this month. Because, uh, for a 0:12:09.580 --> 0:12:11.440 gift of any size, I'd like to send you a 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.470 copy by. Just say thank you. Here's Doctor Ryrie's book 0:12:14.470 --> 0:12:17.949 on the book of acts. It's very helpful. Uh, it's 0:12:18.100 --> 0:12:20.830 a good resource. Easy to read, easy to understand. No 0:12:20.830 --> 0:12:24.699 one made the Bible or theology simpler to understand than 0:12:24.700 --> 0:12:27.970 Doctor Ryrie. Uh, that's what I loved about his classes. 0:12:27.970 --> 0:12:30.069 And it's what I love about this book. If you'd 0:12:30.070 --> 0:12:35.800 like to receive a copy of, uh, Doctor Rory's book, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.210 best thing to do is just head over to Openline radio. 0:12:40.450 --> 0:12:48.490 Org or you can call by going to (888) 644-7122. And 0:12:48.490 --> 0:12:51.760 with your gift of any size, just make sure you 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.929 ask for Doctor Rory's book on the every day Bible 0:12:55.929 --> 0:12:59.650 commentary on Acts. Uh, we're going to talk to Marilyn 0:12:59.650 --> 0:13:03.610 right now. Uh, listening in Florida on Wmhb. Welcome to 0:13:03.610 --> 0:13:05.440 Open Line. Marilyn. How can I help you? 0:13:06.580 --> 0:13:10.390 Oh, good morning. I'm happy to be on with you. Um, 0:13:10.390 --> 0:13:13.780 I'm had been talking to a lady that was a 0:13:13.780 --> 0:13:16.360 Jehovah Witness, and she said the Trinity is not in 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:21.309 the scriptures. Well, I ran across Second Corinthians 1311 and 0:13:21.309 --> 0:13:24.280 14 that talks about the father, the son, and the 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:25.120 Holy Spirit. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.300 What verse? What? Wait wait wait what verse? 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:33.910 I'm going to fast. Second Corinthians 1311 and 14. Okay. 0:13:33.910 --> 0:13:38.440 And also Matthew 316 through 17. But I was wondering 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.530 if there were any other scriptures that had the three 0:13:41.530 --> 0:13:43.810 parts of the Trinity in them. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.530 Well, uh, I think one of my favorite verses is 0:13:47.530 --> 0:13:54.310 the great Commission verse in Matthew 28, uh, where, uh, 0:13:54.309 --> 0:13:59.260 it says, uh, baptizing them in the name of the father, 0:14:00.100 --> 0:14:05.350 son and Holy Spirit. Matthew 28 uh, 16 through 18 0:14:05.350 --> 0:14:10.989 that that I think I got those verses right. Uh, and, uh, 0:14:10.990 --> 0:14:15.160 what I like about Matthew 28, I'm turning over there 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.870 right now. Uh, is here's the thing that that strikes 0:14:19.870 --> 0:14:24.940 me as amazing that most many people miss, uh, is 0:14:24.940 --> 0:14:31.030 it it's verse 18. Uh, and verse 19 go therefore, 0:14:32.350 --> 0:14:37.480 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them. Notice good 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:42.940 grammar would say in the names of the father, son, 0:14:42.940 --> 0:14:48.910 and Holy Spirit. However, in this verse it says, in 0:14:48.910 --> 0:14:52.030 the name of the father and the son, and the 0:14:52.030 --> 0:14:55.930 Holy Spirit. So it uses a singular noun name to 0:14:55.930 --> 0:15:01.060 describe the three persons of the Triune God. Uh, which 0:15:01.060 --> 0:15:04.780 would be sort of a hint at the triune nature 0:15:04.780 --> 0:15:08.770 of God that he is not three gods, but God 0:15:08.770 --> 0:15:13.479 is 1 in 3 persons. Does that. Uh, that's a 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:19.240 good verse. Very good. Yeah. Matthew 2819. Uh, you know, uh, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:20.800 here's what I'd like you to do. I'd like you 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:26.140 to hang on. Marilyn. Uh, there is a book. It's 0:15:26.140 --> 0:15:28.600 not on the Trinity, but it's. It's a book I 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:34.240 wrote called 50 Most Important Bible Questions. And it has, uh, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.370 a good one of the questions, I don't remember which 0:15:36.370 --> 0:15:39.610 number is about the. I remember the question was, can 0:15:39.610 --> 0:15:42.490 you give a simple explanation of the Trinity? And I said, no, 0:15:42.490 --> 0:15:45.460 no one can. But what I do is I lay 0:15:45.460 --> 0:15:48.730 out the biblical evidence and deal with some of these verses, 0:15:48.730 --> 0:15:53.740 like Matthew 2819 and the ones that you mentioned, as 0:15:53.740 --> 0:15:56.980 well as some other verses that you might find really helpful. 0:15:56.980 --> 0:16:00.430 So if you stick on the phone. Uh, Marilyn, we'll 0:16:00.430 --> 0:16:05.620 send you a copy of 50 Most Important Bible Questions. Okay. 0:16:06.220 --> 0:16:08.950 Oh, fantastic. Thank you so very much. Yes. 0:16:08.950 --> 0:16:10.810 Thank you. And by the way, if you're listening, you 0:16:10.810 --> 0:16:14.920 think the busing. Oh, sure. Uh, if you're listening, you 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.330 think I'd like to get a copy of that book? 0:16:16.330 --> 0:16:19.810 I can't send everyone one. Marilyn's special. That's why she 0:16:19.810 --> 0:16:22.660 gets one. But, uh, you might want to go to 0:16:22.660 --> 0:16:25.720 your favorite online bookseller or your local Christian bookstore and 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.940 make sure to get a copy of 50 Most Important 0:16:27.940 --> 0:16:30.790 Bible Questions. But you got to keep promising, even if 0:16:30.790 --> 0:16:32.860 you get it, to listen to the program. Because there 0:16:32.860 --> 0:16:35.620 are other questions. You know, sometimes you think, well, I've 0:16:35.620 --> 0:16:37.390 got the 50 questions. What do I need to listen 0:16:37.390 --> 0:16:40.330 to Open Line for? No, no, no, keep listening. But 0:16:40.330 --> 0:16:42.550 I think you'll find that book helpful. We're going to 0:16:42.550 --> 0:16:46.840 talk to Stephen in Ohio, listening on Wqrf. Welcome to 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.180 Open Line. How can I help you? Stephen. 0:16:50.500 --> 0:16:52.660 Hey, doctor Riddell. Nick, can you hear me? Okay. 0:16:52.660 --> 0:16:53.350 Yeah. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:55.240 Okay. 0:16:55.420 --> 0:16:57.280 Um, so I recently. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.440 Because I got an audible account and I spent a 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.540 lot of time in the car and doing projects around 0:17:01.540 --> 0:17:05.650 the house. I listened to the Great Courses series by 0:17:05.650 --> 0:17:11.020 a professor, Robert D Miller, who unfortunately passed away in 2023, 0:17:11.020 --> 0:17:14.530 but he, uh, gave all these lectures. It was like 0:17:14.530 --> 0:17:17.020 probably about ten hours. And he was a professor at 0:17:17.020 --> 0:17:20.410 the Catholic University of America, uh, an archaeologist. 0:17:20.410 --> 0:17:24.460 What? It's just go ahead with his with your question. 0:17:24.609 --> 0:17:27.970 I don't need to know who he is. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.369 The reason I bring that up is because as I 0:17:30.369 --> 0:17:32.290 was listening to it, I myself am a lawyer. I 0:17:32.290 --> 0:17:33.909 only bring that up because I like to look at 0:17:33.910 --> 0:17:36.910 the evidence and find out people's credentials. I also believe 0:17:36.910 --> 0:17:39.970 he was a person, uh, a believer. So that's important 0:17:39.970 --> 0:17:42.850 to me because I don't want to be misguided by someone. Um, 0:17:42.850 --> 0:17:46.780 and I found some of his stuff to be pretty compelling. 0:17:46.780 --> 0:17:51.310 And overall, his interpretation of Genesis is is my question. 0:17:51.340 --> 0:17:55.780 He didn't interpret it literally like a literal, literal six 0:17:55.780 --> 0:18:00.130 days creation a people lived to be 900 years old. Uh, 0:18:00.130 --> 0:18:02.800 he was able, I think, to say you could have 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:09.460 evolution and genesis because the literary genre of Genesis is 0:18:09.460 --> 0:18:13.480 an ancient creation myth, not meaning myth as it's untrue, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.469 but it's explaining spiritual things in a way that would 0:18:17.470 --> 0:18:22.300 have been understanded by the people who received it 2000 0:18:22.300 --> 0:18:27.760 plus years ago. And I was wondering if you think 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:34.780 that type of understanding of Genesis could be correct doctrinally, 0:18:34.780 --> 0:18:38.200 or if you just find that to be an incorrect 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.290 way to interpret Genesis as a whole. 0:18:42.340 --> 0:18:45.699 Well, first of all, I think that, uh, and I 0:18:45.700 --> 0:18:48.880 don't know Robert Miller, but if you say you think 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:55.030 he's a genuine follower of Jesus, uh, his, uh, salvation 0:18:55.180 --> 0:18:58.300 is not based on his view of creation, but his 0:18:58.300 --> 0:19:02.680 view of Jesus. And so, uh, I know that C.S. 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:07.060 Lewis took a mythic view of creation, but he knew 0:19:07.090 --> 0:19:12.160 the Lord. Uh, because what the key to salvation is 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.070 trusting Jesus, that he died for us and rose again, 0:19:15.070 --> 0:19:18.520 not an accurate understanding of what the Bible says in 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:23.140 Genesis one and two. So, uh, let's be clear about that. 0:19:23.140 --> 0:19:25.359 And there could be a lot of believers that we 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.960 learn a lot from, but in many areas that we 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.350 wouldn't necessarily agree with their view of creation. Uh, there 0:19:32.350 --> 0:19:37.570 were many ancient myths about creation. I don't think it's 0:19:37.570 --> 0:19:43.270 fair to relegate the Hebrew Scriptures to that kind of 0:19:43.270 --> 0:19:47.110 mythic approach, although it does explain where creation comes from. 0:19:47.109 --> 0:19:50.800 But it's true myth in the sense This way, if 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.760 you just take myth to mean an explanation, I think 0:19:54.760 --> 0:20:01.180 it's crucial that we recognize that Hebrew narrative. Hebrew narrative 0:20:01.780 --> 0:20:07.180 is always meant to be taken as fact, not as 0:20:07.180 --> 0:20:12.040 some sort of story. Uh, even you mentioned the age 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.459 of people, you know, in the primeval period, they were 0:20:15.460 --> 0:20:19.629 living all that length of time. And then in Genesis six, 0:20:19.630 --> 0:20:22.480 it's not like the the author doesn't recognize that something 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.540 unusual is going on. Genesis six, God says, I'm not 0:20:25.540 --> 0:20:29.500 going to strive with people because they're evil. Uh, so much. 0:20:29.500 --> 0:20:35.619 And then he says, uh, in verse three, uh, my 0:20:35.619 --> 0:20:39.490 spirit will not strive with mankind forever because they are corrupt. 0:20:39.490 --> 0:20:42.159 Their days will be 120 years. So he kind of 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.190 limits the maximum number of years to 120. It doesn't 0:20:45.190 --> 0:20:48.340 do it instantaneously when you get to the end. Now remember, 0:20:48.340 --> 0:20:52.750 Genesis is just the volume one of a five book, uh, series. 0:20:53.050 --> 0:20:57.400 It's one book with five volumes, uh, that's called the Torah, 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.800 or some people call it the Five Books of Moses, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.120 but it's like the Lord of the rings, you know, 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.810 there's three novels, but it's really one story. The same 0:21:04.810 --> 0:21:09.160 thing with the the Pentateuch. It's one book, the book 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:13.660 of the law, and it's got five volumes. And if 0:21:13.660 --> 0:21:17.080 you look at the end Deuteronomy 34, how old is 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.860 Moses when he dies at the very end? 120 years old. 0:21:20.950 --> 0:21:24.970 So it shows that God was going to reduce the 0:21:24.970 --> 0:21:27.490 number of years. And the reason I point this out 0:21:27.490 --> 0:21:29.950 is that, you know, people say, oh, look how long 0:21:29.950 --> 0:21:31.870 they didn't know any better. No, they knew better. When 0:21:31.869 --> 0:21:35.590 Moses wrote this, he knew exactly what was going on, 0:21:35.590 --> 0:21:39.010 that people were going less and less and less years, 0:21:39.010 --> 0:21:41.770 so that by the end of his life, it was 0:21:41.770 --> 0:21:47.050 120 years, just as God had maxed it out at, uh, and, uh, 0:21:47.050 --> 0:21:50.050 the days of creation, where the people take them, some 0:21:50.050 --> 0:21:56.439 people take them as eras, you know, ages. I don't, 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.670 I think evening, morning, 24 hours. That's what I think 0:22:00.670 --> 0:22:04.810 it is. Uh, it's six days of creation. Makes perfect 0:22:04.810 --> 0:22:07.570 sense to me. You've got Genesis one one and two 0:22:07.570 --> 0:22:11.920 where God creates everything. That's summary. And then more specifically, 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:14.140 the six days of creation and the rest of one 0:22:14.140 --> 0:22:17.710 3 to 2 four. And then what you have in 0:22:17.710 --> 0:22:20.560 two five to the end of that chapter is the 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.890 sixth day of creation. So it goes from very broad 0:22:23.890 --> 0:22:27.520 to narrower to very narrow. Uh, and I think that's 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.439 what we're talking about. People say, well, how can it 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.590 be six days of creation? The world is so old. 0:22:32.590 --> 0:22:35.260 You know, you take this early earth with six days 0:22:35.260 --> 0:22:39.580 of creation. I believe God created the world with apparent age. 0:22:39.940 --> 0:22:41.979 It was just like when Adam was created. When he 0:22:41.980 --> 0:22:43.840 was 20 minutes old. He didn't look like a 20 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:47.320 minute old infant. He looked like a man. He was 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.020 created with apparent age. I think God created everything with 0:22:50.020 --> 0:22:52.690 age to make it look like even the light years 0:22:52.690 --> 0:22:56.679 of the stars shining. He created that, you know? So 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:01.060 it came down. He created everything with age. And then, uh, 0:23:01.060 --> 0:23:04.430 the other thing is many things that we see as 0:23:04.430 --> 0:23:09.409 look very old are the result of catastrophe. Uh, a 0:23:09.410 --> 0:23:14.449 catastrophe can explain a lot of these things. Uh, for example, 0:23:14.450 --> 0:23:20.150 when Mount Saint Helens had its top blown off, right. Uh, 0:23:20.150 --> 0:23:23.210 all the trees on top landed down in Spirit Lake. 0:23:23.210 --> 0:23:27.139 This is in 1980. And the the weight of the 0:23:27.140 --> 0:23:31.169 the water went into the right, into the roots and 0:23:31.170 --> 0:23:34.020 made those trees go down into the bottom of the 0:23:34.020 --> 0:23:38.220 lake with the roots at the bottom. And they settled there, 0:23:38.220 --> 0:23:40.410 and it looks like a forest under there. They were 0:23:40.410 --> 0:23:46.379 covered in lava when they did this. Now there's a fossil, uh, 0:23:46.380 --> 0:23:50.550 forest at the bottom of Spirit Lake. And what's amazing 0:23:50.550 --> 0:23:53.130 about that is people would say if they looked at that, 0:23:53.130 --> 0:23:56.310 they'd say billions of years ago there was a forest here. 0:23:56.310 --> 0:24:00.300 But now through evolution. No, we know it's it's it's 0:24:00.300 --> 0:24:04.890 60 years old. And what it is is a result 0:24:04.890 --> 0:24:09.510 of catastrophe. Well, there was a huge worldwide catastrophe where 0:24:09.510 --> 0:24:14.070 the foundations of the deep open, there were earthquakes. There was, uh, 0:24:14.070 --> 0:24:18.570 volcanoes erupting. It just exploded all over the earth. And 0:24:18.570 --> 0:24:21.570 a lot of the things that we see as being 0:24:21.570 --> 0:24:26.190 ancient fossils are probably the just, just the result of 0:24:26.190 --> 0:24:31.949 that catastrophe. So to me, uh, taking the, the Hebrew 0:24:31.950 --> 0:24:35.970 Bible at face value makes the most sense. Uh, that's 0:24:35.970 --> 0:24:38.490 how I read it. If I have to defend it, 0:24:38.490 --> 0:24:42.780 I would use two aspects. Uh, in terms of science, uh, 0:24:42.780 --> 0:24:44.760 in terms of the age of the Earth and all 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:51.870 those things. One apparent age and two, uh, catastrophism. And so, 0:24:51.869 --> 0:24:55.230 you know, I'm not trying to judge Doctor Miller, you know, 0:24:55.230 --> 0:24:58.200 God bless him, he's with the Lord. Now, that's fine, 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:02.130 but I wouldn't agree with his approach to Genesis. Does 0:25:02.130 --> 0:25:03.150 that help, Stephen? 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:05.340 And by the. 0:25:05.340 --> 0:25:08.520 Way, if you agree with him, that's fine with me too. 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.860 I'm not, you know I'm not. Well, my. 0:25:10.859 --> 0:25:13.620 Thing is, uh, it was very helpful. It's given me 0:25:13.619 --> 0:25:17.460 a lot to think about. Um, and I appreciate that. 0:25:17.460 --> 0:25:20.370 And I think what you said about going back to Jesus, uh, 0:25:20.369 --> 0:25:24.330 that gives me, uh, confidence. Because I know a lot 0:25:24.330 --> 0:25:26.760 of people have Genesis as a stumbling block that I 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:27.570 talk to, but. 0:25:27.570 --> 0:25:31.350 Yeah, focus on Jesus. He's the key. He's the creator. 0:25:31.350 --> 0:25:34.470 However he did, it is fine with me. So anyway, 0:25:34.470 --> 0:25:36.000 thanks for your call. 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I told her, it's not fair. We've 0:28:20.950 --> 0:28:23.590 got tiara answering the phones and to hear her helping out. 0:28:23.590 --> 0:28:27.970 I'm just too confusing. But I'm really grateful you're here 0:28:27.970 --> 0:28:28.540 to hear her. 0:28:28.540 --> 0:28:29.650 Thank you for having me. 0:28:29.650 --> 0:28:32.649 Yeah. And. And Tricia. Now, who's asking the questions? 0:28:32.650 --> 0:28:34.900 Uh, I think I'll ask the first one. Okay, but 0:28:34.900 --> 0:28:37.690 there we go. But I'm not going anywhere but to. 0:28:37.690 --> 0:28:40.390 Here is learning all of the programs, and she has 0:28:40.390 --> 0:28:44.880 been a valuable resource to us for over for like 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:46.680 a year and a half now. And she's learning all 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:48.360 the programs so that when one of us is out, 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:49.860 she can step in and do all of them. Well 0:28:49.860 --> 0:28:50.310 that's great. 0:28:50.310 --> 0:28:52.560 Yeah, yeah, well, she did that a few weeks ago. 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:53.190 That's great. 0:28:53.190 --> 0:28:54.690 Yeah I did, yeah. 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.690 Okay. Our first question is from Linda in Indiana. Listens 0:28:57.690 --> 0:29:03.330 to Wnwr in acts 815 to 17. The Samaritans had 0:29:03.330 --> 0:29:05.910 accepted the Lord Jesus, but the Holy Spirit had not 0:29:05.910 --> 0:29:08.880 come on them yet. So it says, after they went 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.490 down there, they prayed for them so the Samaritans might 0:29:11.490 --> 0:29:14.670 receive the Holy Spirit, for he capital H had not 0:29:14.670 --> 0:29:17.700 yet come down on any of them. They had only 0:29:17.700 --> 0:29:20.340 been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then 0:29:20.340 --> 0:29:22.470 Peter and John laid their hands on them, and they 0:29:22.470 --> 0:29:25.050 received the Holy Spirit. So Linda wants to know, do 0:29:25.050 --> 0:29:27.660 we have the Holy Spirit when we accept the Lord Jesus, 0:29:27.660 --> 0:29:29.250 or does that come later? 0:29:29.490 --> 0:29:33.360 Well, first of all, the nature of the book of 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:38.730 acts is it's a transitional book. It's going from sort 0:29:38.730 --> 0:29:41.160 of how the Holy Spirit worked in the Old Testament 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.860 to how he's going to work in the church. Okay. 0:29:43.950 --> 0:29:47.040 It's it's it's different. Uh, and one of the things 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:48.840 you'll find is if you see, every time that the 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.740 Holy Spirit comes upon someone, it's inconsistent. Sometimes it's a 0:29:52.740 --> 0:29:56.790 moment of faith. Like, for example, Cornelius in Acts ten, 0:29:56.790 --> 0:30:00.450 and sometimes the apostles lay hands on someone and then 0:30:00.450 --> 0:30:04.350 they receive the Holy Spirit. It's because it's a transitional book. 0:30:04.350 --> 0:30:05.760 So what we should do is we should go to 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.729 the epistles like Romans eight nine. If anyone doesn't have 0:30:08.730 --> 0:30:11.370 the Spirit of Christ, they don't belong to him. You know, 0:30:11.370 --> 0:30:16.260 every believer Romans eight nine has the Holy Spirit. Okay, okay. 0:30:16.260 --> 0:30:21.360 So how do I explain this in acts eight? It's 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.570 fairly simple. What the issue was is Samaritans were a 0:30:24.570 --> 0:30:27.720 schismatic group. They said, oh, we're the true Jews. We 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.620 have the true Torah. And they were very independent. You 0:30:31.620 --> 0:30:34.200 can read about that in John four. You know, the 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:35.250 Samaritan woman. 0:30:35.490 --> 0:30:36.720 The woman at the. Well, yeah. 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.450 She says, she says to the Lord Jesus, you say 0:30:39.450 --> 0:30:42.510 you should worship in Jerusalem, you Jews. But we Samaritans 0:30:42.510 --> 0:30:45.150 say right here on Mount Gerizim, who's got it right? 0:30:45.210 --> 0:30:49.950 And so there is this tension. And there was a concern, 0:30:49.950 --> 0:30:54.120 I believe, that when the Samaritans received the gospel, that 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.959 they would try and be independent of the apostles in Jerusalem. 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.810 And so Peter and John go lay hands on them, 0:31:00.810 --> 0:31:03.630 and the Holy Spirit comes upon them at that point, 0:31:03.630 --> 0:31:08.110 after they've already believed, so that it shows that they 0:31:08.110 --> 0:31:11.350 are under the authority of the apostles from Jerusalem. Okay. 0:31:11.350 --> 0:31:15.730 So that's that explains that transitional feature. But really, what 0:31:15.730 --> 0:31:19.180 where do we get our doctrine from? We get it 0:31:19.180 --> 0:31:21.340 from the the epistles. 0:31:21.370 --> 0:31:24.010 Okay. Now real quick. Yeah. For someone who doesn't know 0:31:24.010 --> 0:31:27.310 what an epistle is, if you're not getting this from 0:31:27.310 --> 0:31:29.980 the Gospels and we're not getting it from acts, is 0:31:29.980 --> 0:31:32.380 the epistles, everything else in the New Testament, the. 0:31:32.380 --> 0:31:35.770 Letters except for the Book of Revelation. So from Romans 0:31:35.770 --> 0:31:40.540 all the way to Jude, Jude. And then revelation is 0:31:40.750 --> 0:31:45.190 is its epistolary form, but not a full epistle. Okay. 0:31:45.190 --> 0:31:45.670 All right. 0:31:45.670 --> 0:31:48.280 Just like the letters, the letters of the apostles. 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:49.780 Okay, okay. Fantastic. 0:31:49.780 --> 0:31:55.000 Someone once said that we should, uh, experience the apostles teaching, 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.170 which is found in the letters, rather than teach the 0:31:58.170 --> 0:32:01.980 apostles experience, which is found in the book of acts. Yeah. 0:32:01.980 --> 0:32:04.620 Okay. All right. Thank you for that question, Linda. 0:32:05.430 --> 0:32:09.960 Thank you. Our next question is from Randall, Alabama. And 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:13.980 he is he listens to us through Wmw. His question 0:32:14.100 --> 0:32:17.760 question is from Galatians chapter five, verses 19 to 21. 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.840 And those verses deal with the works of the flesh. 0:32:21.870 --> 0:32:24.660 This question is, could you explain how people can inherit 0:32:24.660 --> 0:32:27.930 the kingdom of God when they still sometimes have wrath, 0:32:27.930 --> 0:32:30.030 and all the other works of the flesh? 0:32:30.060 --> 0:32:32.340 Yeah, well, you look at this and it's got all 0:32:32.340 --> 0:32:39.330 these different things impurity, promiscuity, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, outbursts of anger, 0:32:39.330 --> 0:32:42.570 so forth. Wrath is what I think he's talking about there, 0:32:42.570 --> 0:32:46.110 I tell you. Uh, as I told you before, that 0:32:46.110 --> 0:32:49.890 those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom 0:32:49.890 --> 0:32:54.090 of God. Here's what I would say. There's a parenthesis 0:32:54.090 --> 0:32:57.060 that has to be included in our minds when we 0:32:57.060 --> 0:33:00.090 read something like this. And this is it, that those 0:33:00.090 --> 0:33:05.940 who practice such things, not having trusted in Jesus, will 0:33:05.940 --> 0:33:10.210 not inherit the kingdom of God If someone trusts in Jesus, 0:33:10.210 --> 0:33:16.000 those things are forgiven. Uh, and now it may be 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:23.050 that if a person is habitually, customarily, just flagrantly carrying 0:33:23.050 --> 0:33:26.110 out the deeds of the flesh, they may have said 0:33:26.110 --> 0:33:28.480 they've trusted in Jesus, but they may not have. I 0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:30.760 think that's why Paul says, examine yourself to see if 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:35.010 you're in the faith. But basically none of us are perfect. 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:39.750 Even Paul says, uh, in the book of Philippians chapter, 0:33:39.750 --> 0:33:43.200 I think three says, not that I have arrived, but 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.380 I press on. So if the apostle Paul who said 0:33:46.380 --> 0:33:48.900 these things has not arrived yet, well, I certainly haven't 0:33:48.900 --> 0:33:52.350 arrived yet, and there are still fleshly things that will 0:33:52.350 --> 0:33:54.840 erupt in my life, even though I've been a believer 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.040 now for 52 years. Uh, the only person I know 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.860 that's not like that is Eva, you know? But that's 0:34:01.860 --> 0:34:05.430 that's not true. Even Eva occasionally will have something from 0:34:05.430 --> 0:34:10.350 the flesh, uh, pop out. Uh, Trisha? No. Never. 0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:12.420 No. Not never. Yeah. 0:34:12.900 --> 0:34:16.590 But but, you know, the point is, we're forgiven. So 0:34:16.590 --> 0:34:20.129 the idea is that those who practice such things, uh. 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.689 who have not trusted in Jesus, won't inherit the kingdom. 0:34:24.930 --> 0:34:29.370 We're forgiven. Now, the question would be, are we practicing 0:34:29.370 --> 0:34:32.910 them to such an extent that we're demonstrating that we 0:34:32.910 --> 0:34:36.300 really haven't trusted in Jesus? That's the question. Uh, I 0:34:36.300 --> 0:34:38.790 think the key is not how much you do, but 0:34:38.790 --> 0:34:42.060 how much you've grown, how less. You know, I still 0:34:42.060 --> 0:34:45.540 may do things pretty often that are wrong, but I'm 0:34:45.540 --> 0:34:47.670 not doing it quite as much as I used to. 0:34:47.670 --> 0:34:52.589 So I'm so grateful that God continues to work with us, 0:34:52.590 --> 0:34:55.200 and we're all in that process of sanctification. 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.300 Yeah, yeah. That's it. It just takes a while. And 0:34:57.300 --> 0:34:57.570 I think. 0:34:57.570 --> 0:35:01.800 Even this entire passage, if you go to Galatians 516 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.430 through 24, um, like that whole passage is talking about, 0:35:05.430 --> 0:35:08.250 don't be ruled by the flesh, be ruled by Jesus, 0:35:08.250 --> 0:35:12.720 follow him and live by the fruit of the spirit instead. 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.440 Like that comes right after these verses that Randall's asking about. Yeah, 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.050 that these are what we should be living by and 0:35:19.050 --> 0:35:23.340 practicing instead. So thank you for that answer and thanks 0:35:23.340 --> 0:35:26.640 for that question, Randall. With that, mark in Ohio, listens 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.460 to Wkkf and wants to know, as a born again believer, 0:35:29.489 --> 0:35:32.219 do we need to ask for forgiveness for every sin 0:35:32.219 --> 0:35:35.880 we commit? Or are they already forgiven? Are we already 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:37.410 forgiven for those sins? Yes. 0:35:37.410 --> 0:35:38.220 To both. 0:35:38.340 --> 0:35:40.920 Okay, explain. 0:35:41.340 --> 0:35:46.350 Here's here's what I think. It's really clear. Uh, when 0:35:46.350 --> 0:35:53.670 we've trusted in Jesus, all our sins are forgiven. Past, present, future. Right. 0:35:53.670 --> 0:35:57.810 There's there's no there's nothing that's not forgiven. Uh, that's 0:35:57.810 --> 0:36:01.799 what I call relational forgiveness. We trust in Jesus. We 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.859 become children of the king. You know, we're we're his 0:36:04.860 --> 0:36:08.880 children forever. And we are forgiven. Past, present, future. Even 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:13.770 if I can't remember a particular sin, I'm forgiven of it. However, 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.759 as I walk with the Lord, uh, I walk in 0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.240 the light, the light of his word. Try to obey it. Uh, 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:27.870 and we have fellowship together. And then if he brings 0:36:27.870 --> 0:36:30.540 to light in my life in an area of sin, 0:36:30.570 --> 0:36:33.900 a particular sin that I've committed, that's where first John 0:36:33.900 --> 0:36:38.310 one nine kicks in. If we confess or agree with 0:36:38.310 --> 0:36:41.940 God about that sin, that's what confess means to agree 0:36:41.940 --> 0:36:45.120 with him. Uh, if we agree with God that that 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.560 was sin, then what we do is we agree with him, 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:54.120 and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness. 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.910 He is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 0:36:56.910 --> 0:37:00.330 That's what I call fellowship forgiveness. Because we may be 0:37:00.330 --> 0:37:03.660 forgiven for all time, past, present, and future. But our 0:37:03.660 --> 0:37:06.300 sins that we commit after we come to know him, 0:37:06.300 --> 0:37:13.080 block our fellowship with him, and confession, uh, restores that 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:17.070 fellowship so that we can speak openly and and come 0:37:17.070 --> 0:37:20.130 boldly and do all those things. And that also comes 0:37:20.130 --> 0:37:24.419 through the the death and resurrection of our Messiah. Okay. 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:28.920 All right. So so that would be I know that, um, 0:37:29.310 --> 0:37:32.219 excuse me, in doing communion, some churches will have that 0:37:32.219 --> 0:37:35.160 time of confession to make sure before you do that 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.140 communion that that has been dealt with, that would be 0:37:37.140 --> 0:37:39.480 the fellowship, forgiveness. Forgiveness. 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.210 Yeah. Okay. So all right. And I think it's really 0:37:42.210 --> 0:37:45.000 crucial that every day whenever we talk to the Lord, 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.790 we're always open. Lord, show me what it is that 0:37:47.790 --> 0:37:49.350 may be blocking my fellowship with. 0:37:49.350 --> 0:37:51.630 You, or even in that moment where you're like, oh, 0:37:51.630 --> 0:37:54.750 this isn't how I should be responding or reacting right. 0:37:54.750 --> 0:37:56.040 Now. Exactly. 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.020 And you realize it. Do it right away. 0:37:58.020 --> 0:37:59.040 Exactly. Okay. 0:37:59.070 --> 0:38:01.379 Is there, like, a specific way we should? 0:38:01.410 --> 0:38:03.570 I think it's walking in the light. That's first John 0:38:03.570 --> 0:38:06.239 read first John one eight through ten. He says, we're 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.120 all sinning. We walk in the light as he is 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:10.859 in the light. We have fellowship with one another. We 0:38:10.860 --> 0:38:14.160 often think, that's you and me, Tricia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.919 it's no, it's fellowship with God. We have fellowship. God 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.840 and me have fellowship as we walk in the light. 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.479 And then, uh, blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us. 0:38:22.570 --> 0:38:25.570 From that sin. And and then that fellowship kind of 0:38:25.570 --> 0:38:26.350 restores that fellowship. 0:38:26.350 --> 0:38:28.509 The light shines on our life. And I go, oh, no, 0:38:28.510 --> 0:38:32.080 I see this. Yeah. And then I confess it, and 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.239 he cleanses me and I keep on walking in the light. 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.940 It's sort of a circular movement. Yeah, yeah. Okay. 0:38:36.940 --> 0:38:38.050 All right. Thank you. 0:38:38.050 --> 0:38:40.690 We're gonna we're going to break here. Tierra, thanks for 0:38:40.690 --> 0:38:41.650 joining us. Thank you. 0:38:41.650 --> 0:38:42.040 For having. 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:42.279 Me. 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.379 Yeah. It's always great to have you here. And you've 0:38:44.380 --> 0:38:47.040 been here a few weeks, and I really appreciate it. Uh, 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.500 we're going to be right back with more of your 0:38:49.500 --> 0:38:51.839 questions in just a moment. You're listening to Open Line 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.380 with Tricia McMillan to hear Haynes and Michael Zelnick. So 0:38:55.380 --> 0:39:15.650 don't go away. We'll be right back. Welcome back to 0:39:15.650 --> 0:39:18.020 Open Line. I'm Michael Ray Zelnick. I'm so grateful to 0:39:18.020 --> 0:39:22.129 God that he is always faithful to Israel, faithful to 0:39:22.130 --> 0:39:25.040 his promises to his people. Uh, we're living in a 0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:30.320 time with a lot of tension, uh, and anti-Semitism, let's 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.140 call it what it is hatred of the Jewish people. 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How can 0:41:26.989 --> 0:41:27.740 I help you? 0:41:28.850 --> 0:41:32.000 Hi there. It's so good to talk with you. I 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:33.740 got to tell you, when I first started listening to you, 0:41:33.739 --> 0:41:35.629 I thought you were Doctor Dolnick. And your first name 0:41:35.630 --> 0:41:36.890 was Ray. Yeah, I. 0:41:36.890 --> 0:41:38.719 Know how it is. That's why I say just call 0:41:38.750 --> 0:41:41.660 me Michael. Well, you're from the South, Julie. You know 0:41:41.660 --> 0:41:44.720 Michael Ray Dolnick. That's it, that's it. 0:41:46.670 --> 0:41:49.819 Well, you do have a lot of names down here. Yeah. Um, Mike, 0:41:49.820 --> 0:41:52.730 I know you're short on time. My husband is is 0:41:52.730 --> 0:41:56.630 not saved. Um, and I heard a pastor, a well-known pastor, 0:41:56.630 --> 0:42:01.400 say that, um, the Gentiles who've heard the gospel and 0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.760 rejected it at the time of the rapture cannot be 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:08.810 saved that the great delusion will be sent to them. Mhm. Um, 0:42:08.810 --> 0:42:11.780 is that true? Only the Jews can be saved after 0:42:11.780 --> 0:42:12.470 the rapture. 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:18.050 It says in second Thessalonians 210 or. Yeah, 210. Uh, 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:21.380 it says they perish because they did not accept the 0:42:21.380 --> 0:42:24.290 love of the truth in order to be saved. For 0:42:24.290 --> 0:42:28.610 this reason, God sends them a strong delusion so that 0:42:28.610 --> 0:42:31.790 they will believe what is false so that all will 0:42:31.790 --> 0:42:36.080 be condemned. Uh, some people want to say that because 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:41.150 if they don't accept the love of the truth before 0:42:41.150 --> 0:42:47.540 the tribulation, then afterwards God will delude them during the tribulation. 0:42:47.540 --> 0:42:49.910 I don't think that that's what it's saying. I think 0:42:49.910 --> 0:42:54.530 it's stating a general principle that when people reject the gospel, 0:42:54.530 --> 0:42:58.850 there is, uh, they don't accept the love of the truth, 0:42:58.850 --> 0:43:03.650 and then they are continually being diluted, even in the tribulation. Uh, 0:43:03.650 --> 0:43:08.600 and so that's just a general rule, what breaks it. 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:14.090 And this is true today and in the tribulation period, 0:43:14.090 --> 0:43:16.910 what breaks it is when God opens our eyes. God 0:43:16.910 --> 0:43:20.090 opens our hearts. God will do that. It says in 0:43:20.090 --> 0:43:24.920 acts 16 that Lydia of Lydia, that the Lord opened 0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:27.770 her heart to believe the things that or to receive 0:43:27.770 --> 0:43:31.940 or or think about the things that that Paul was saying. 0:43:31.940 --> 0:43:34.700 I think that's what he'll do for all people. There's 0:43:34.700 --> 0:43:38.600 going to be a great revival in the tribulation. 144,000 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:41.149 Jewish people are going to believe according to revelation seven. 0:43:41.150 --> 0:43:43.850 Then it talks about people from every tribe and tongue 0:43:43.850 --> 0:43:46.280 and nation knowing the Lord. And so I think they're 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:51.020 going to be evangelists, and God will open hearts. God 0:43:51.020 --> 0:43:53.690 will break the delusion. For many it will be the 0:43:53.690 --> 0:43:58.700 greatest revival in history. It says the Lord in acts 0:43:58.700 --> 0:44:02.810 1614 about Lydia. The Lord opened Lydia's heart to pay 0:44:02.810 --> 0:44:08.089 attention to what was spoken by Paul, and then she believed. Uh, 0:44:08.090 --> 0:44:10.219 and so it seems to me like. 0:44:10.219 --> 0:44:11.989 The door won't just close. 0:44:11.989 --> 0:44:16.370 Know God. God is always. God is longing for people 0:44:16.370 --> 0:44:18.440 to come to know him. He's going to open the 0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.410 floodgates during the tribulation. It will be the greatest revival 0:44:21.410 --> 0:44:24.500 in history. But listen, I think it would be better 0:44:24.500 --> 0:44:28.220 for your husband and anyone to, uh, to come to 0:44:28.219 --> 0:44:32.480 the Lord now, not wait. That's what I think. So, uh, 0:44:32.989 --> 0:44:35.930 you know, keep keep doing what you can to win 0:44:35.930 --> 0:44:38.120 him to the Lord now. Okay, Julie, don't wait for 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:39.950 the trip. Absolutely. Okay. 0:44:39.950 --> 0:44:42.980 Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you so much. I appreciate. 0:44:42.980 --> 0:44:45.560 It. Sure. Thanks for your call. Let's see if I 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.080 can do this question really fast. Hey, Deborah, go ahead 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.250 with your question as fast as you can, okay? 0:44:51.870 --> 0:45:00.390 Okay. Ephesians 612. My core question is where where are 0:45:00.390 --> 0:45:06.390 these places? My version says we fight against, uh, this 0:45:06.390 --> 0:45:12.120 and the unseen world that in the dark world and 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:17.210 evil spirits in heavenly places. Where's the unseen world? 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.810 Okay, the unseen world is talking about the spirit world, 0:45:20.810 --> 0:45:28.010 and in particular, the evil spirit world. So we've heard 0:45:28.010 --> 0:45:30.770 of the dark web. There's the dark spirit world where 0:45:30.770 --> 0:45:34.819 demons are working. You can see that in in Daniel ten, 0:45:34.820 --> 0:45:40.730 when the angels from or the demons, the Prince of Persia, 0:45:40.730 --> 0:45:46.370 for example, from the heavenly places, is obstructing the angel 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:50.719 to come from the Lord with the message to Daniel, 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:53.630 that's where the heavenly places are. There's this great battle 0:45:53.630 --> 0:45:57.110 taking place and it delays him from coming the angel 0:45:57.110 --> 0:46:01.190 from God. And this is the unseen battle, the unseen 0:46:01.190 --> 0:46:05.240 world where there are evil spirits, the dark world trying 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:09.319 to prevent God's work here in our world. That's what 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:12.830 it's talking about. I can't believe that our program is 0:46:12.830 --> 0:46:15.530 done for the day. Thanks for listening everyone. And I 0:46:15.530 --> 0:46:17.419 want to say a special thank you to Tricia and 0:46:17.420 --> 0:46:20.210 to Chris, and to Yara and to Kyra and all 0:46:20.210 --> 0:46:21.230 those of you who. 0:46:21.230 --> 0:46:21.860 Helped. 0:46:22.070 --> 0:46:24.770 Uh, really do appreciate all that you did to make 0:46:24.770 --> 0:46:27.920 the program possible. But mostly thanks for listening and thanks 0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.500 also for participating in the program. Those of you who 0:46:30.500 --> 0:46:33.410 called or wrote in, uh, remember, keep in touch with 0:46:33.410 --> 0:46:36.260 us by checking out our web page, Open Line Radio org. 0:46:36.260 --> 0:46:38.480 It's got everything you're looking for. Keep reading the Bible. 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:40.910 We'll talk about it next week. Open line with Michael 0:46:41.030 --> 0:46:45.050 Zelnick is a production of Moody Radio, a ministry of 0:46:45.050 --> 0:46:47.480 Moody Bible Institute. See you next week.