1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,840 S1: Today on Chris Fabry Live. The two Michaels are here 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,240 S1: to answer your questions about the Bible, God and the 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,919 S1: spiritual life. I'm Michael Ray, host Bible teacher on Open 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,280 S1: Line every weekend on Moody Radio 8 to 11 Central 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,080 S1: Time across the US. And normally I am on monthly 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,080 S1: with Chris Fabry along with my pal Michael Vanlandingham. Uh, 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,680 S1: but Chris is away today in Nashville, so before anything else, 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,479 S1: I want to say thanks, Chris for turning the mic 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:35,839 S1: over to me. I don't know if you know what 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,840 S1: you're doing. He's hosting the Christy Awards, but he left 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,600 S1: us here alone. No telling what we might do. Hopefully 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,080 S1: there will still be a program to host when Chris 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,320 S1: is back on Monday. We're going to see about that. Also, 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,479 S1: thanks to Ryan for doing all things technical. And Tricia, 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,920 S1: thank you for being there in the producer's chair, making 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,600 S1: sure that there will be a program on Monday. That's 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,560 S1: what she's here to do. Glad that she's here. Josh 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,920 S1: is answering the phones, and I am so glad to 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,280 S1: be with you during the week to talk about your 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,680 S1: questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life. Let 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:17,720 S1: me give you the number. The number is (877) 548-3675. And 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,080 S1: now it's time for the two Michaels, Michael Ray Melnick 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,640 S1: and Mike Van Laningham, co-editors of the Moody Bible Commentary. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,040 S1: Faculty members together for more years than we can actually 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:36,160 S1: count without our shoes off. Uh, just amazing that we 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,120 S1: can be friends forever. And we will be going together 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,000 S1: to Israel this coming April. That's pretty exciting. We'll talk 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,440 S1: more about that later, but we are going to be 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,840 S1: here together answering your questions. I'm not doing any of 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,400 S1: the shtick that my friend Chris does. No fabulous Fabry. 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,040 S1: I'm not even sure. What does he call it? Uh. 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,040 S1: Sigh the Friday sigh I the best I can do 33 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,880 S1: with my heritage. Mike. I'm glad you're here, Mike, by 34 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:06,240 S1: the way. 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:07,520 S2: Me too. 36 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,560 S1: Yeah. Best I can do is an air of Shabbat. Oy. 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,240 S1: You know, the eve of Sabbath. Oy. I can't do that. 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,000 S1: And I got comedy. Uh, now you know what, Ryan? 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,680 S1: I just want you to know. On Open Line. I 40 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,440 S1: used to joke around with listeners. I still do, and 41 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,640 S1: I'd get a lot of complaints. How could you say that? 42 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,160 S1: How could you do that? And so I really wanted 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,960 S1: to get a laugh track, but they wouldn't allow me 44 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,560 S1: because people can't tell when anyone is joking. But anyway, 45 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,280 S1: but that's and you know what? Uh, Ryan, you were 46 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,320 S1: actually one of my. You were the engineer. Why didn't 47 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,680 S1: you do this stuff for me? That you do for for. 48 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 S1: He says he doesn't know anyway. Anyway, I'm really glad 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,919 S1: to be here with my friend Mike Vanlandingham. We love 50 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,760 S1: doing this together with Chris, but still, I'm really glad 51 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,560 S1: that Chris let us do it alone. Did you expect 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:59,560 S1: him to ever do that? 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,480 S2: No. But like you said, you know, they may take 54 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,320 S2: us off the air and he might not have a 55 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,359 S2: program on Monday. I think to leave me alone is 56 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,560 S2: never a good idea. Hey, Ryan, I wanted to ask you. Dude, 57 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,119 S2: we don't get the Indiana Jones theme anymore. Is that true? 58 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:14,800 S1: Yeah. 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,080 S2: Oh, no. 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,760 S1: Copyrights. Copyrights. 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,560 S2: Oh. Forget copyrights. Come on. Just do it anyway. 62 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,919 S1: Well, we could just hear it in our heads. How's that? 63 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,280 S2: Yeah, that sounds good. 64 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,520 S1: That's it. Well, you know, you do need to know 65 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,120 S1: if you're listening on the radio or you're listening on 66 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,880 S1: your Moody radio app or however you're listening. Mike always 67 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,840 S1: wears his fedora when he answers Bible questions. He's got 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,920 S1: a leather jacket on. He's got a whip over his shoulder. 69 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,839 S1: It is a remarkable thing to watch Mike Van Landingham 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,400 S1: preach or answer Bible questions. That's that's your regular gear, right? 71 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,920 S2: That's that's how I get into this role. That's how 72 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:51,440 S2: I do it. 73 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,600 S1: That's it. Okay. Let me give you the number again, 74 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,880 S1: if you're in a Bible study group. Uh, and this 75 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,000 S1: question came up in your head, or if you've been 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,600 S1: reading the scriptures and you thought, hmm, I wonder about this. 77 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,120 S1: Or if you're struggling with some issue of how to 78 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,760 S1: apply the scriptures, that's a spiritual life issue. Anything like that, 79 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:19,160 S1: call us (877) 548-3675. Let me give that to you again. (877) 548-3675. 80 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,279 S1: We've got something like 11 of 12 lines open. So 81 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,400 S1: now's the time to call. We really need you to 82 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,360 S1: call because otherwise it's just me and Mike trying to 83 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,839 S1: make jokes. And that's not good. Now, I do want 84 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,200 S1: to ask you something, Mike. That's something that's been on 85 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:39,600 S1: my mind. Uh, here's my question. There are so many 86 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,159 S1: verses that people quote out of context. I was wondering 87 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,320 S1: if you think in your experience, you've been a professor, 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,200 S1: you've been a pastor, you've you've taught in different places, 89 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,599 S1: different schools. What is the verse that you find people 90 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,839 S1: take out of context the most. 91 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,200 S2: Um, off the top of my head, I would say 92 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,200 S2: Matthew chapter 18, where Jesus says, where 2 or 3 93 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,479 S2: are gathered together in my name, I'm there in the midst. 94 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,599 S2: And one second. Um. 95 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,360 S1: What about that? What do they take out of context? 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,120 S2: Um, yeah. Um. Hang on, hang on. 97 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,000 S1: Okay. They think it's prayer, right? 98 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,080 S2: Yeah. And and they think it's a basically a blank 99 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,480 S2: check to be able to, to, um, you know, pray 100 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,240 S2: that if, if you ask anything in my name, um, 101 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,880 S2: 2 or 3 are gathered, uh, then I'll answer it 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,120 S2: for you. I can't find it right now. I don't know. 103 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,320 S3: What verse are you looking for? 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,560 S2: Matthew 1818 like verse. Yeah, there. 105 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:43,080 S3: It is, there. 106 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:43,159 S1: It. 107 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:43,720 S3: Is. You got it. 108 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,920 S2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. So, um, I say 109 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,839 S2: to you, if any, if, if two of you agree 110 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,600 S2: on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall 111 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,839 S2: be done for them by my father who is in heaven. So, Michael, 112 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,520 S2: I think you and me and even Sue should get 113 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,880 S2: together and pray for the van lining hymns to finally 114 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:02,880 S2: get a Ferrari. 115 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,800 S3: That's what I. Yeah. Well, we've been doing that. 116 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,160 S1: Not been working. What can I. 117 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:06,640 S3: Say? 118 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,120 S2: Yeah, well, that's because that's not what that verse means, 119 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:09,640 S2: you know? 120 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:10,680 S3: So, you know. 121 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,480 S1: What it really deals with is it's in the context 122 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,159 S1: of a of a Matthew 18 confrontation about personal sin. 123 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,760 S1: If your brother sins against you, go and rebuke him 124 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,600 S1: in private, then. Uh, if if you can if that 125 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,840 S1: doesn't help, then you bring witnesses and then you tell 126 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,120 S1: it to the church. That's step three. Telling it to 127 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,640 S1: the church may lead to congregational discipline and the expression 128 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,680 S1: of whatever 2 or 3 gather in my name. They 129 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,880 S1: decide that's the leadership of the church. And basically, what 130 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,200 S1: that's saying is that the decision of the church leaders 131 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:50,600 S1: about this issue of sin is resolved. If it's decided 132 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,240 S1: on earth, it's resolved in heaven as well. And that's 133 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,600 S1: what that's talking about. 134 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,599 S2: And the the agreement between the two of you that 135 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,600 S2: agree 2 or 3, that's that's related to insights and 136 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,920 S2: procedure and final decisions as it relates to the church discipline. 137 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,120 S2: It's the Lord's going to be there in an extra 138 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,600 S2: special way. Very interesting. Only twice in Matthew's Gospel does 139 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,960 S2: Jesus or does Jesus ever say that he's going to 140 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,200 S2: be with us? One of them is this passage, and 141 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,160 S2: the other is the Great Commission passage at the end 142 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,040 S2: of chapter 28. 143 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,760 S3: Yeah, I'm with you. So even to the end of 144 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:24,280 S3: the age. 145 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,880 S2: Yeah. It's a big deal that Jesus is present with 146 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,160 S2: us when we're trying to do this very sort of 147 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,880 S2: tricky and challenging thing called church. You know, restorative church 148 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,679 S2: discipline is what we should call it. 149 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,960 S1: So yeah, I agree with that. So I'll tell you 150 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,560 S1: my verse that I think is most taken out of context. 151 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,120 S1: And it's one I did. And, you know, in your 152 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,440 S1: high school, I, I became a follower of Jesus in 153 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,600 S1: high school And for your senior picture, you could have 154 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,080 S1: your name. And then after that, a saying, a quote 155 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,560 S1: or something like that. So I put in, I can 156 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,480 S1: do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Philippians 413. 157 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,320 S1: That's what I put in. And I got a lot 158 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,680 S1: of mockery because they said, are you going to become 159 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,520 S1: a spaceman? What are you going to do? Or you 160 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,520 S1: can do all things. And, uh, when I look at 161 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,840 S1: it in context, it's saying, I can do all things 162 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,320 S1: in terms of dealing with poverty or wealth. I can, 163 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,120 S1: I can put, I can deal with all things that 164 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,960 S1: I face, whether I have a lot or if I 165 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,760 S1: have a little. It's not saying I can do all things. 166 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,199 S1: I can't jump out of windows and fly like Superman. 167 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,360 S1: I can't do that. Uh, and it's, it was a 168 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,439 S1: great reminder to me by the teasing that I got 169 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,400 S1: from my classmates to put things in context. 170 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,040 S3: So. Right. 171 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:46,360 S1: Yeah. 172 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:46,800 S3: Don't you think? 173 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:47,200 S2: Got to do. 174 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:47,920 S3: That. Yeah. 175 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:48,320 S2: Yep. 176 00:08:48,429 --> 00:08:49,109 S3: Absolutely. 177 00:08:49,270 --> 00:08:51,350 S1: Well, we're going to take a break here. We still 178 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:56,430 S1: have a few lines open. (877) 548-3675. Looking for your call 179 00:08:56,429 --> 00:08:58,830 S1: about the Bible God or the spiritual life? The two 180 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:01,870 S1: Michaels are in the house. Michael. Right. Michael. Vanlandingham. Stay 181 00:09:01,870 --> 00:09:04,790 S1: with us. We'll be right back with more on Chris 182 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:21,990 S1: Fabry live. Be right back. Well, the two Michaels are 183 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:25,190 S1: right here in the house answering your questions about the Bible, 184 00:09:25,230 --> 00:09:31,750 S1: God and the spiritual life. The number is 88775483675. Thank you, Chris, 185 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:34,510 S1: for letting us stand in for you or sit in 186 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:37,230 S1: for you right here while you're away at the Christy Awards. 187 00:09:37,230 --> 00:09:39,910 S1: So if you're listening for Chris, the reason he's not here, 188 00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:43,229 S1: he's got another gig today and he'll be back on Monday. 189 00:09:43,390 --> 00:09:47,630 S1: But he is, uh, he he risked his all by 190 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:51,270 S1: letting Mike and I sub for him alone, without any 191 00:09:51,309 --> 00:09:55,510 S1: adult supervision. You know, I do want to mention the 192 00:09:55,870 --> 00:10:00,710 S1: monthly resource that Chris is talking about. 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The number is 86695386695. Favorite 204 00:10:43,630 --> 00:10:45,950 S1: the way to spell Fabry FABRY. I don't know what 205 00:10:46,030 --> 00:10:54,030 S1: those numbers are, but it's 866969986695. Faber or easiest just 206 00:10:54,030 --> 00:11:00,069 S1: go visit Chris Fabry live.org. Chris Fabry live.org. And you 207 00:11:00,070 --> 00:11:02,390 S1: can give your gift there. And we'll be happy to 208 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:05,390 S1: send you journaling as a spiritual practice. Uh, we're going 209 00:11:05,429 --> 00:11:09,869 S1: to take a call here and talk to Mike in Washington, Illinois, 210 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:13,510 S1: listening on WB. And welcome to Chris Fabry live. How 211 00:11:13,510 --> 00:11:14,590 S1: can we help you today? 212 00:11:15,630 --> 00:11:21,110 S4: Yes, gentlemen. Um, I learned this in seminary. Uh, had 213 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:23,910 S4: a really good theology teacher, Doctor Whitcomb at Grace. 214 00:11:24,110 --> 00:11:25,070 S3: And he. You don't need. 215 00:11:25,070 --> 00:11:26,230 S1: Any help from us, then? 216 00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:28,670 S2: Yeah. Thanks for calling. 217 00:11:28,990 --> 00:11:30,590 S3: Yeah. Well, see, you know. 218 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:35,069 S4: Well, first Corinthians 15, the first 57 verses make very 219 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:38,150 S4: clear that Jesus rose from the dead. That resurrection is 220 00:11:38,150 --> 00:11:41,190 S4: a reality. But I've always had a hard time linking 221 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:45,710 S4: it to the last verse. Be steadfast, immovable, Abound in 222 00:11:45,710 --> 00:11:47,910 S4: the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is 223 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:51,949 S4: not in vain in the Lord. Uh, it's it's gut 224 00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:56,110 S4: wrenching at times to see no fruit with Christians and 225 00:11:56,110 --> 00:11:59,990 S4: lost people walking away from you lost. But it says there, 226 00:12:00,270 --> 00:12:03,309 S4: be steadfast. Your labor is not in vain. I take 227 00:12:03,309 --> 00:12:06,870 S4: that by faith. And how does that necessarily relate to 228 00:12:06,910 --> 00:12:10,189 S4: the fact of the reality of the resurrection? So they 229 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:13,750 S4: are linked, but I would like some some theologians like 230 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:16,550 S4: yourself to comment on that. How do I know my 231 00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:19,190 S4: labor is not in vain? In lieu of the fact 232 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:22,270 S4: that Jesus rose and that the resurrection is real? 233 00:12:23,070 --> 00:12:26,710 S1: Well, I'm going to just turn this over to my 234 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:30,830 S1: Bible buddy over here. Uh, Michael, because he's the one 235 00:12:30,830 --> 00:12:33,990 S1: that wrote the final and the, the best commentary on 236 00:12:33,990 --> 00:12:36,110 S1: first Corinthians in the moody Bible commentary. 237 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:38,870 S2: Oh, yes. I, I have to say it. I know 238 00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:42,150 S2: everything about first Corinthians. I just do, you know, so 239 00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:44,430 S2: it's a good thing that Mike called now. Okay, so 240 00:12:44,470 --> 00:12:46,790 S2: it's very interesting, Mike. There's a number of ways to 241 00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:51,069 S2: answer that question. Um, the Corinthians, as we know, even 242 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:55,750 S2: from chapter 15, were pretty soft on the resurrection. And 243 00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:57,790 S2: I think if you're soft on the resurrection, then you're 244 00:12:57,790 --> 00:13:00,070 S2: going to be soft on the fact that Christians will 245 00:13:00,070 --> 00:13:05,470 S2: be held accountable by God in the resurrection. And Paul 246 00:13:05,470 --> 00:13:11,750 S2: says in chapter six in verse 14 that God has 247 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:14,590 S2: not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us 248 00:13:14,590 --> 00:13:17,510 S2: up through his power. And then he goes on to say, 249 00:13:17,510 --> 00:13:20,310 S2: do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? 250 00:13:20,309 --> 00:13:22,910 S2: Shall I then take away the members of Christ and 251 00:13:22,910 --> 00:13:26,070 S2: make them members of a prostitute? Apparently there were some 252 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:29,750 S2: in the Corinthian church still using prostitutes, and the idea 253 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:33,790 S2: of accountability in the future is found, especially in second 254 00:13:33,790 --> 00:13:38,750 S2: Corinthians chapter five. Paul says that we prefer rather to 255 00:13:38,750 --> 00:13:40,630 S2: be absent from the body and to be at home 256 00:13:40,630 --> 00:13:43,590 S2: with the Lord. Therefore we also have as our ambition, 257 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:46,550 S2: whether home or absent, to be pleasing to him, and 258 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:49,390 S2: he explains why he wants to be pleasing. Verse ten 259 00:13:49,750 --> 00:13:52,670 S2: for we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, 260 00:13:52,670 --> 00:13:55,110 S2: so that each 1st May be recompensed for his deeds 261 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:57,790 S2: in the body according to what he has done, whether 262 00:13:57,790 --> 00:14:02,109 S2: good or bad. And then in chapter 15 of First Corinthians, 263 00:14:02,110 --> 00:14:05,390 S2: we've got discussion of the resurrection. And the implication is 264 00:14:05,390 --> 00:14:07,590 S2: from some of these other places is that there is 265 00:14:07,590 --> 00:14:10,670 S2: accountability not only for the bad things that we've done, 266 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:13,910 S2: as we've seen in second Corinthians chapter five, but also 267 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:16,150 S2: for the good things. And we have that in verse 58. 268 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:18,829 S2: Our toil is not in vain in the Lord. He 269 00:14:18,830 --> 00:14:21,630 S2: pays attention to the things that we're doing to serve 270 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:24,350 S2: him and to glorify him. And that comes, I think, 271 00:14:24,390 --> 00:14:25,430 S2: at the resurrection. 272 00:14:26,030 --> 00:14:29,550 S1: So one of the things I think that's so important 273 00:14:29,950 --> 00:14:32,830 S1: for me as I read that verse, and I remember 274 00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:37,310 S1: one resurrection Day preaching when I was a pastor, first 275 00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:41,110 S1: Corinthians 15, and it's there's not a whole lot of 276 00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:44,870 S1: application throughout the passage. It's making the case that the 277 00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:48,270 S1: resurrection is real, but the application comes at the end 278 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:53,670 S1: that if Jesus is alive, do not quit, because that 279 00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:56,470 S1: is the most essential truth. There was a guy. Oh, 280 00:14:56,710 --> 00:15:00,510 S1: the guy that wrote Lolita. Very famous novelist whose name 281 00:15:00,510 --> 00:15:03,790 S1: is eluding me now. But he once walked by a 282 00:15:03,790 --> 00:15:07,350 S1: church and it was near Easter and it said, Jesus 283 00:15:07,390 --> 00:15:11,510 S1: is alive on the on the, uh, bulletin board outside. 284 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:15,590 S1: And he says, that would be important if it were true. Nabokov. 285 00:15:15,630 --> 00:15:19,470 S1: That was his name. Uh, Nabokov was the author. He 286 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:21,910 S1: said that would be important if true. It is true. 287 00:15:23,070 --> 00:15:28,510 S1: And because it is true, we cannot quit. We cannot 288 00:15:28,630 --> 00:15:34,790 S1: back out. Uh, we have to remain steadfast because Jesus 289 00:15:34,830 --> 00:15:38,030 S1: is alive. Our Lord is alive, and he will give 290 00:15:38,030 --> 00:15:43,270 S1: us eternal life and resurrect us. And so our labor 291 00:15:43,270 --> 00:15:46,510 S1: is not in vain because he sees everything. He is 292 00:15:46,830 --> 00:15:51,790 S1: empowering everything. Our work is not done until we see him. 293 00:15:51,790 --> 00:15:53,950 S1: That's what that's saying, I think. Don't you agree, Mike? 294 00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:55,870 S2: 100%. Well put. 295 00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:56,350 S3: Yeah. 296 00:15:56,590 --> 00:15:58,270 S1: So does that help at all, Mike? 297 00:15:58,870 --> 00:16:01,590 S4: Yes. In fact, you you gave a slant to it 298 00:16:01,590 --> 00:16:05,110 S4: that I hadn't necessarily even thought about. Here I was 299 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:08,870 S4: emphasizing our labor is not in vain where I would 300 00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:11,910 S4: look at the fruitfulness and at times thinking it is 301 00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:14,590 S4: in vain because I don't see much fruit. But I 302 00:16:14,590 --> 00:16:19,350 S4: regularly tell my congregation, never forget Jeremiah. His fruit didn't 303 00:16:19,390 --> 00:16:23,270 S4: necessarily come during his generation, but in our generation or 304 00:16:23,550 --> 00:16:26,830 S4: or Daniel reading it 70 years later saying the captivity 305 00:16:26,830 --> 00:16:31,030 S4: will soon end. So the putting shoe leather and flesh 306 00:16:31,270 --> 00:16:35,830 S4: on the labor not being in vain. I guess I've 307 00:16:35,830 --> 00:16:38,430 S4: just been keying in on the fruitfulness of it more 308 00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:41,670 S4: than my being accountable to the Lord to be faithful 309 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:42,470 S4: and steadfast. 310 00:16:42,510 --> 00:16:44,910 S1: You know, there's a great book by Kent use, uh, 311 00:16:44,910 --> 00:16:47,830 S1: The Liberating Ministry from the Success Syndrome. 312 00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:49,310 S2: Oh, that's a great book. 313 00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:52,870 S1: And, and what, what he argues there. And I recommend 314 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:57,910 S1: it to you, Mike, wholeheartedly. It is faithfulness that is 315 00:16:57,910 --> 00:17:03,590 S1: the test of success, not fruitfulness. Uh, that is what's 316 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:07,110 S1: so essential to man. Uh. Oh, man. Names are eluding. 317 00:17:07,150 --> 00:17:09,909 S1: Maybe I'm getting old, but there was a guy, uh, 318 00:17:10,109 --> 00:17:15,550 S1: in the 18th century who was in Jewish ministry, and 319 00:17:15,550 --> 00:17:18,990 S1: he spent his whole life sharing the gospel. Uh, there 320 00:17:18,990 --> 00:17:21,230 S1: was a life story about him called Just a Talker. 321 00:17:21,230 --> 00:17:23,869 S1: But anyway, he spent his life proclaiming the gospel to 322 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:26,790 S1: Jewish people, led two Jewish people to the Lord, his 323 00:17:26,790 --> 00:17:30,070 S1: whole career as a missionary, which was terrible. Right. You 324 00:17:30,109 --> 00:17:32,110 S1: got to be more fruitful than that. But they turned 325 00:17:32,109 --> 00:17:36,270 S1: out to be Adolph Saphir and Alfred Edersheim, two of 326 00:17:36,270 --> 00:17:40,230 S1: the greatest writers ever. Uh, those are the two Jewish 327 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:42,070 S1: men he led to the Lord. You just don't know 328 00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:46,350 S1: what God will do with small faithfulness. Be faithful. He does. 329 00:17:46,350 --> 00:17:50,430 S1: He produces great fruit beyond what we could ever imagine. So, okay. 330 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:53,830 S1: Thanks for your call, Mike. Uh, we're going to talk 331 00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:56,750 S1: to Helen in Olympia Fields. I don't know what this 332 00:17:56,750 --> 00:17:58,710 S1: clock is, so I don't know if I'm close or not, 333 00:17:58,710 --> 00:18:02,510 S1: but I think I'm okay. Uh, Helen Olympia Fields listening 334 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:06,270 S1: on WNBA. Welcome to Chris Fabry live. How can we 335 00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:07,030 S1: help you today? 336 00:18:07,910 --> 00:18:10,669 S5: Hi. Thank you. Um, I hope this is not a 337 00:18:10,670 --> 00:18:15,229 S5: ridiculous question, but my question is, um, with Adam and 338 00:18:15,230 --> 00:18:18,750 S5: Eve when they after they, you know, well, first of all, 339 00:18:18,750 --> 00:18:20,830 S5: they were told, you know, they were given an instruction 340 00:18:20,830 --> 00:18:22,990 S5: by God and one of the things was be fruitful 341 00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:27,510 S5: and multiply. But after they sinned, then God meted out 342 00:18:27,550 --> 00:18:31,030 S5: punishment to each one, uh, to Adam. You know, he 343 00:18:31,030 --> 00:18:33,270 S5: said that he would work from, you know, it would 344 00:18:33,310 --> 00:18:35,149 S5: be hard for him to do what he had already 345 00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:40,710 S5: been doing and for Eve. But because it seemed like 346 00:18:40,750 --> 00:18:43,430 S5: at that point he could he could compare how it 347 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:46,550 S5: was when he was tilling the, you know, naming and 348 00:18:46,550 --> 00:18:50,790 S5: all of that stuff to what it became. It became harder. 349 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:53,030 S1: So go ahead with your go ahead with your question. 350 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:58,310 S5: Well, my question is if um, I wondered if Eve 351 00:18:58,350 --> 00:19:01,590 S5: had had children before because her punishment was that she 352 00:19:01,590 --> 00:19:02,270 S5: would be. 353 00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:04,750 S1: She would have pain in labor for her. 354 00:19:04,790 --> 00:19:07,710 S5: Yeah. And I wondered if she had had labor before or, 355 00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:10,150 S5: you know, they had had children before, but no pain. 356 00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:12,910 S1: Okay. Mike, do you want to answer that? 357 00:19:13,550 --> 00:19:15,270 S2: Um, no. Go ahead. 358 00:19:15,310 --> 00:19:17,590 S3: Michael. Okay. Well, here's the answer. 359 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:21,750 S1: Uh, we don't know. We just don't know. Uh, that 360 00:19:21,790 --> 00:19:24,790 S1: don't go beyond that. Which is written as what Paul says. We, 361 00:19:24,790 --> 00:19:27,270 S1: the scriptures don't say that she had children. It may 362 00:19:27,310 --> 00:19:29,270 S1: hint at that. Or it may be that God's plan 363 00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:35,149 S1: originally was no pain in childbirth. But, uh, that now 364 00:19:35,150 --> 00:19:38,150 S1: there will be pain. That could have been it. Now, 365 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:43,550 S1: here's the issue. If she had children before, there's a 366 00:19:43,550 --> 00:19:46,790 S1: theory of how sin is passed on. It's called traducianism. 367 00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:49,390 S1: It is passed on. The sin nature is passed on 368 00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:51,750 S1: through the seed. That would mean there would be children 369 00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:55,550 S1: who were born, who were not passed, who did not 370 00:19:55,550 --> 00:19:57,990 S1: have the sin nature passed on to them. Then there's 371 00:19:57,990 --> 00:20:03,109 S1: another theory that's called federal headship. And federal headship means 372 00:20:03,109 --> 00:20:05,790 S1: that Adam was the federal head on the earth, and 373 00:20:05,790 --> 00:20:10,470 S1: when he sinned, everyone on earth got a sin nature. 374 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:14,629 S1: And so that may very well be. And that they 375 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:17,870 S1: may have had children. My inclination is, I think if 376 00:20:17,869 --> 00:20:20,669 S1: God wanted us to know or care, he would have 377 00:20:20,670 --> 00:20:24,389 S1: told us. And it's not in the scriptures. Uh, but 378 00:20:24,430 --> 00:20:27,470 S1: I my inclination also is, no, they did not have 379 00:20:27,470 --> 00:20:30,990 S1: kids up until Cain and Abel. That's. How do you 380 00:20:30,990 --> 00:20:32,030 S1: feel about that, Michael? 381 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:35,310 S2: I agree. I mean, if if they had children before 382 00:20:35,310 --> 00:20:37,470 S2: the fall, then the children would not have inherited a 383 00:20:37,470 --> 00:20:41,150 S2: sin nature from Adam and Eve. And that that would 384 00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:44,629 S2: be kind of strange, actually. And so it seems to 385 00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:47,190 S2: me that what we're looking at is some chronology in 386 00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:50,470 S2: chapters two, three, and four. And that if that's the case, 387 00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:53,630 S2: then almost certainly they didn't have children until after the fall. 388 00:20:54,030 --> 00:20:55,350 S3: Mhm. Yeah. 389 00:20:55,550 --> 00:20:57,110 S1: Okay. Does that help at all, Helen? 390 00:20:57,150 --> 00:20:59,310 S5: Yeah. I hadn't thought about the sin nature. I hadn't 391 00:20:59,310 --> 00:21:01,790 S5: even computed that part. All right. Thank you. 392 00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:03,830 S1: Great. Thanks for your call. We're going to talk to 393 00:21:03,869 --> 00:21:07,390 S1: Steve in Bolingbrook, Illinois, listening on WMBI. And in fact, 394 00:21:07,390 --> 00:21:10,430 S1: it looks like all our. Is this the only station 395 00:21:10,430 --> 00:21:13,590 S1: carrying Chris Fabry live one? No. Come on, if you're 396 00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:19,470 S1: on another station, have a question? Uh, give us a call. (877) 548-3675. 397 00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:21,550 S1: Let's talk to Steve. You're on Chris Fabry live. How 398 00:21:21,550 --> 00:21:22,310 S1: can we help you? 399 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:26,949 S6: Thank you very much. I appreciate you taking the call. Uh, 400 00:21:27,030 --> 00:21:30,310 S6: we have, uh, a Bible study, and there's a question 401 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:34,550 S6: that was raised. And, uh, and it concerns Genesis six 402 00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:37,870 S6: three and it says, My spirit shall not abide in 403 00:21:37,869 --> 00:21:41,149 S6: man forever, for he is flesh. His days shall be 404 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:44,790 S6: 120 years. Now the guy leading the Bible study said, well, 405 00:21:44,790 --> 00:21:47,190 S6: that's pretty obvious. God is saying that man's not going 406 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:50,510 S6: to live more than 120 years. Well, you find out 407 00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:52,550 S6: that you keep going down the line and they're still 408 00:21:52,550 --> 00:21:57,270 S6: living longer than that. And MacArthur's Bible says that God 409 00:21:57,270 --> 00:22:01,070 S6: is speaking about he's giving man 120 years. I guess 410 00:22:01,070 --> 00:22:04,270 S6: that's the time. I believe that's the time that Noah 411 00:22:04,270 --> 00:22:06,710 S6: has to build the ark. Uh, that's. 412 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:09,030 S1: A slow well, no power tools, I guess. 413 00:22:09,869 --> 00:22:14,109 S6: Yeah. No. So I, I guess I'm trying to figure 414 00:22:14,109 --> 00:22:16,510 S6: out which, uh, what is the right answer to that? 415 00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:17,830 S3: Well. 416 00:22:19,109 --> 00:22:21,470 S1: Mike, what I'm going to tell you what I think. 417 00:22:22,109 --> 00:22:26,150 S2: Um. Yeah. Michael, again, you're the one who's taught Genesis. 418 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:29,230 S2: I've never read Genesis before, so you should answer that question. 419 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:30,670 S1: You know, I want you to know he did read 420 00:22:30,670 --> 00:22:33,750 S1: Genesis once, so don't don't let him get away with that. 421 00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:36,070 S1: But I do think what you see is a dramatic 422 00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:40,230 S1: decrease from the numbers. Like Methuselah, who was 969 years 423 00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:44,230 S1: old and others like that, and you start seeing people 424 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:47,750 S1: living 137 years, people living 180 years. And the numbers 425 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:50,950 S1: are going down, down, down. And then the book closes. 426 00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:54,110 S1: When does not Genesis but the Pentateuch? Because it's just 427 00:22:54,109 --> 00:22:58,350 S1: one book. Uh, a lot of people don't realize that 428 00:22:58,350 --> 00:23:01,310 S1: Genesis is just the prologue to the Pentateuch. And it's 429 00:23:01,310 --> 00:23:05,230 S1: one scroll, one book, and it ends with Deuteronomy 34, 430 00:23:05,230 --> 00:23:09,149 S1: and Moses dies. And how old is he? 120 years old. 431 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:11,989 S1: And so I think what we see is God says, 432 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:14,110 S1: I'm not going to do this, but he doesn't change 433 00:23:14,109 --> 00:23:18,590 S1: it automatically. You see a gradual reduction through the Pentateuch, 434 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:21,830 S1: and then it closes with Moses being 120 years old. 435 00:23:22,830 --> 00:23:25,270 S6: Uh, okay. Because I had thought that when someone brought 436 00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:27,710 S6: up the fact that they thought it took that God 437 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:33,750 S6: was giving them 120 years to clean up their act before. Uh. 438 00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:37,430 S1: Maybe that's what MacArthur says. Of course, you know, when 439 00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:40,190 S1: Pope John speaks, we all accept it. But it may 440 00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:43,310 S1: or may not be so, you know. Uh, okay. Uh, 441 00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:45,870 S1: I kind of think it's the, the the gradual reduction 442 00:23:45,869 --> 00:23:46,470 S1: of years. 443 00:23:46,910 --> 00:23:49,950 S6: So thank you so very much. I appreciate you taking 444 00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:50,389 S6: the call. 445 00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:55,910 S1: Okay. Uh, okay. Let's talk about this. You know, Mike, uh, 446 00:23:55,910 --> 00:23:57,590 S1: one of the things people are a little nervous about 447 00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:59,869 S1: going to Israel, but things are quiet there. Everything is 448 00:23:59,869 --> 00:24:02,149 S1: normal there. It's safe there. I feel safer when I 449 00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:08,510 S1: go to Israel than any other time, uh, any other place. 450 00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:11,470 S1: Of course, there are times when war breaks out, and 451 00:24:11,470 --> 00:24:13,430 S1: that's not a great time to be there. But right now, 452 00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:16,990 S1: everything's looking good. We're anticipating that April will be good. 453 00:24:16,990 --> 00:24:20,710 S1: And so, Michael, will you go with me to Israel 454 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:22,510 S1: in April and lead a tour with me? 455 00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:27,500 S2: Absolutely. Okay. In fact, this is the first time I've 456 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,859 S2: ever got actual approval from Michael to be able to 457 00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:32,460 S2: go with him, and I am thrilled to do so. 458 00:24:32,820 --> 00:24:36,460 S1: Yeah, well, Michael's going to be my co-teacher, uh, in 459 00:24:36,460 --> 00:24:39,220 S1: April when we go to Israel, April 5th through 16th. 460 00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:42,060 S1: If you are interested, all you have to do is 461 00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:46,420 S1: go to Messianic journeys.org and click on the link about 462 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:50,660 S1: the upcoming trip to Israel. Spots are going fast. Uh, but, uh, 463 00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:53,379 S1: there are people who want to see walk where Jesus walked. 464 00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:56,260 S1: I say walk where Abraham walked. Walk where David walked. 465 00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:59,820 S1: Not just where James and John swam. Uh. We're going 466 00:24:59,859 --> 00:25:03,179 S1: to sail where Jesus walked. Uh, but that's what we're 467 00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:05,379 S1: going to do. And I hope that you will come. 468 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:08,420 S1: The Bible will go from black and white to color. 469 00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:13,260 S1: It's like Dorothy opening her door after the the tornado, 470 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:15,700 S1: and she looks out at the colorful Oz. That's what 471 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:17,940 S1: will happen when you read your Bible, don't you think, Michael? 472 00:25:18,380 --> 00:25:23,940 S2: It's not just color, it's high def. 4K three dimensional color. 473 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:25,379 S2: When you go to the Holy Land. 474 00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:26,980 S1: And it's, you know, it's an important time. I think 475 00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:31,940 S1: Israel needs us to stand. They need solidarity people, uh, 476 00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:34,740 S1: people to know for them to know that people still 477 00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:37,420 S1: love the Jewish people and care about them. And that's 478 00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:39,820 S1: something that would be great. Uh, we'll be right back 479 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:44,020 S1: with more questions in just a moment. Uh, right here 480 00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:46,899 S1: on Chris Fabry live. I'm Michael Ray. That was Mike Vanlandingham. 481 00:25:46,940 --> 00:26:04,860 S1: Stay with us. More questions. Straight ahead. Right here. We're back. 482 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:07,780 S1: I'm Michael Ray, the other Michael's in the house to 483 00:26:08,420 --> 00:26:12,820 S1: Michael Vanlandingham. We're sitting in for Chris Fabry, who's ditch today. 484 00:26:12,859 --> 00:26:16,500 S1: He just decided not to come into work. So it's. No, 485 00:26:16,540 --> 00:26:19,780 S1: he's hosting the Christy Awards in Nashville, and we're praying 486 00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:22,060 S1: that he has a great time and he'll be back 487 00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:27,460 S1: on Monday. But they left Mike and I hear no 488 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:30,220 S1: adult supervision except for Tricia, and she's doing her best. 489 00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:33,220 S1: But I don't know how she's doing it, but she's 490 00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:35,740 S1: doing her best. Uh, if you have a question about 491 00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:38,580 S1: the Bible, God or the spiritual life, we would love 492 00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:44,500 S1: to answer your question. The number is eight, seven, seven, five, four, 836, 75. Uh, 493 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:47,060 S1: and before we go to the phones, I want to 494 00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:50,540 S1: say we just talked about our upcoming April trip to Israel, 495 00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:53,300 S1: April 5th through the 16th. All you have to do 496 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:57,100 S1: is go to Chris Fabry live.org because it's linked there. Uh, Trish, 497 00:26:57,140 --> 00:26:59,780 S1: she's so fast, she can just get those things linked. 498 00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:03,540 S1: God bless her. And so if you're interested in joining 499 00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:06,820 S1: Mike and I in Israel. Chris Fabry live.org. It's got 500 00:27:06,820 --> 00:27:09,220 S1: a link there to the trip to Israel. Okay, let's 501 00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:14,980 S1: talk to Madeline in Crown Point, Indiana, listening on WMBI 502 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:18,060 S1: welcome to Chris Fabry live. Madeline, how can we help you? 503 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:21,460 S7: Thank you. First off, I have to say, you guys 504 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:22,300 S7: have too much fun. 505 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:24,500 S1: There are. We do have fun. 506 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:26,100 S2: We do. Yeah. 507 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,740 S7: And I look forward to seeing you there in Chicago 508 00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:30,820 S7: tomorrow with my husband. 509 00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:32,939 S1: Oh, good. Can I tell before before we go to 510 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:35,140 S1: your question, let me tell you. Tell people what you're 511 00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:39,900 S1: talking about. Moody Bible Institute is hosting a summit opposing 512 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:44,300 S1: the new Christian anti-Semitism. There has been a dramatic increase, 513 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,780 S1: not just in hatred of the Jewish people, but coming 514 00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:54,180 S1: from the evangelical conservative wing of, of, of the world. 515 00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:57,220 S1: It's shocking. I was just talking to a messianic Jewish 516 00:27:57,220 --> 00:28:00,500 S1: writer who wrote a book about anti-Semitism. He posted it 517 00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:04,139 S1: on his Facebook page, and he has been inundated, just 518 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:05,980 S1: as I was when I wrote, how should Christians think 519 00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:11,460 S1: about Israel with evangelical hatred of the Jewish people? It's frightening. 520 00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:14,300 S1: And we are going to have the summit tomorrow. All day. 521 00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:16,540 S1: It's not too late. You could still register. You can. 522 00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:18,950 S1: You can still come down to Moody tomorrow, come between 523 00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:22,740 S1: 8 and 9. You can get registered Even then, we've 524 00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:24,899 S1: got a few spots open so you can come if 525 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:28,300 S1: you're interested. Please, please, please join us for this very 526 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:32,340 S1: important summit. We've got great speakers. Don Sweeting, Mark Yarbrough, 527 00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:36,659 S1: president of Dallas, William Washington. I'm they're letting me I'm 528 00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:40,140 S1: not president of anything, but I'm allowed to speak as well. Uh, 529 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:44,260 S1: and I hope they will have workshops. And also the 530 00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:47,940 S1: president of Moody Bible Institute will be speaking. Uh, Doctor 531 00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:52,860 S1: Rick Nelson. So, uh, Madeleine, thank you for coming tomorrow, and. 532 00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:53,620 S7: Okay. 533 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:54,660 S1: How can we help you? 534 00:28:55,940 --> 00:28:58,860 S7: So I'm kind of stuck. Um, may I ask you 535 00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:03,380 S7: 13 parable of the sower and then Jesus explaining the 536 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:07,620 S7: purpose of the parables to the disciples. Um, I may 537 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:09,500 S7: know the answer. I don't think I want to hear 538 00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:15,860 S7: it though. So basically, um, here I'll go to verse. Uh, 539 00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:18,820 S7: so 1313 this is why I speak to them in 540 00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:22,340 S7: parables because seeing they do not see, and hearing they 541 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:26,020 S7: do not hear, nor do they understand. And then I 542 00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:31,020 S7: want to skip down to verse 15 where Isaiah is 543 00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:31,900 S7: being quoted. 544 00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:32,540 S1: Mhm. 545 00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:37,980 S7: Um, the part where he says, lest they should see 546 00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:40,380 S7: with their eyes and hear what their ears and understand 547 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:44,620 S7: with their heart and turn, and I would heal them. Well, 548 00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:47,580 S7: I'm like, Lord, I know you want all, all people 549 00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:51,620 S7: to turn to you and come to the Messiah. 550 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:54,460 S1: He's not willing that any should perish. That's what you mean, right? 551 00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:57,140 S7: Right, right, right. So how do you put those two together? 552 00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:01,219 S1: Okay. My Calvinist friend here. Yeah. Go ahead. 553 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,660 S2: Well, okay, so the thing we have to remember, this 554 00:30:04,660 --> 00:30:08,420 S2: is a really tricky question, by the way. What comes after? 555 00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:12,980 S2: What comes before? Matthew 13, it's Matthew 12, and in 556 00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:17,340 S2: Matthew chapter 12 we have the Jewish leaders, uh, formally 557 00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:20,900 S2: accusing Jesus of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit being 558 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:25,780 S2: complicit with the devil. And then in chapter 13, for 559 00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:29,740 S2: the first time ever, at least in Matthew's gospel, Jesus 560 00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:33,180 S2: begins to teach in parables. I think and most people 561 00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:37,980 S2: think that that's an indication of of veiling the truth 562 00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:41,140 S2: from people as an act of judgment because of their 563 00:30:41,140 --> 00:30:46,180 S2: rejection of him, because of their nastiness against him. And so, um, when, 564 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:49,260 S2: when somebody commits the unpardonable sin, which would be, you know, 565 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:52,060 S2: another call is going to come in about that, then 566 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,540 S2: then God will not forgive them because they have committed 567 00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:56,820 S2: the unpardonable sin. 568 00:30:57,340 --> 00:31:01,140 S1: Yeah. And now here's, here's, I agree, but this is 569 00:31:01,180 --> 00:31:04,940 S1: a little spin that I think on it. Uh, one 570 00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:10,500 S1: of the things I've, uh, a professor of mine, Norman Geisler, 571 00:31:10,540 --> 00:31:12,820 S1: used to say that God does not go beyond the 572 00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:17,340 S1: freedom and dignity of individuals, and he never forces anyone 573 00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:22,140 S1: to believe. And one of the things that is happening here, 574 00:31:22,420 --> 00:31:26,900 S1: it says, lest they hear with their ears and understand 575 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:29,740 S1: with their hearts and turn back. They don't want to. 576 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:33,660 S1: So I'm not going to force them to. That's that's 577 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:37,060 S1: based on Matthew 12, where they made that decision. Uh, 578 00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:40,660 S1: God doesn't force them to do that. Uh, he's, he's 579 00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:45,300 S1: respecting their choices. And now the thing is that I 580 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:50,300 S1: don't understand is I don't think I was interested in believing. 581 00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:53,219 S1: And yet somehow God opened my heart suddenly so that 582 00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:58,420 S1: I believed. And I think that, uh, that was undeserved grace, 583 00:31:58,420 --> 00:32:02,780 S1: undeserved favor. But I think what this is, what you're 584 00:32:02,780 --> 00:32:07,020 S1: seeing here is the Lord Jesus respecting the willfulness and 585 00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:10,860 S1: the willful unbelief of those who are in leadership of 586 00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:12,140 S1: Israel at that time. 587 00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:15,100 S7: Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. And, um, I'm in 588 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:20,660 S7: an apologetics class, and I've been using the Moody Bible 589 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,460 S7: commentary to help me. It's been very helpful. 590 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:27,100 S1: You know who wrote Matthew? That would be Michael Vanlandingham. 591 00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:31,020 S2: So yeah, I got to say, I have to say, 592 00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:33,700 S2: I have to say also, I know everything about Matthew now. 593 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,700 S2: So first Corinthians, Matthew, Romans. You know, I got those 594 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:38,100 S2: sewn up, right? 595 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:39,620 S8: Right, right. Yeah. 596 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:41,500 S7: And heaven, you're going to have a great talk with 597 00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:42,260 S7: Matthew then. 598 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:44,540 S9: Yeah. Yeah. And he's going to straighten you out is 599 00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:45,820 S9: what he's going to do. Yeah. 600 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:46,460 S2: That's good man. 601 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:47,060 S9: Well, thanks. 602 00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:49,540 S1: For your call, Madeline. Appreciate it. Uh, we're going to 603 00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:55,860 S1: talk with, uh, Patty in Bushnell, Illinois. Listen, on WLUJ. Uh, 604 00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:58,340 S1: welcome to Chris Fabry live. How can we help you? 605 00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:02,580 S10: Hey, thanks for taking my call. Alrighty. I'm not by 606 00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:05,980 S10: my Bible, so I might be all confused. 607 00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:08,140 S1: We have the Bible memorized, so you just go ahead 608 00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:10,100 S1: with your question and we'll pull it right up. 609 00:33:10,660 --> 00:33:13,820 S10: Okay, well, I thought I read the other night. Where? 610 00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:21,540 S10: After Jesus had resurrected. You know, and he was appearing 611 00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:26,620 S10: to the disciples at various times. One of those appearances, 612 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,940 S10: he told them, he said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. 613 00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:34,020 S1: That's John 20, verse 21. Jesus said to them again, 614 00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:35,260 S1: this is in the upper room. 615 00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:37,380 S11: Uh, no, no no no, no, no. 616 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:38,460 S10: This is it. 617 00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:38,860 S1: Yeah. 618 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:39,460 S11: Okay. 619 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,060 S1: Peace to you. So, but then as the father, let 620 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:43,700 S1: me let me read you the verse as the father 621 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:46,820 S1: has sent me, I also send you. And saying this, 622 00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:51,100 S1: he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. Right. 623 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:52,820 S1: That's what you're talking about. And now. 624 00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,180 S11: So why did why. 625 00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:57,300 S10: Did they have to wait in Jerusalem to receive the 626 00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:58,500 S10: Holy Spirit then? 627 00:33:59,340 --> 00:34:01,580 S1: Well, here's my take. I'm going to let. I don't 628 00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:05,740 S1: know if Michael will agree, but in the book before 629 00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:08,620 S1: the church began, mostly the Old Testament, the way the 630 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:13,100 S1: Holy Spirit worked is he came upon people, some people, 631 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:17,380 S1: not all believers, but some believers. And he was not 632 00:34:18,020 --> 00:34:20,940 S1: a permanent resident in their lives. He would come and 633 00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:23,180 S1: empower them and he could leave. Which is why David, 634 00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:26,420 S1: in Psalm 51, after his sin, what does he pray? Lord, 635 00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:30,339 S1: take not your Holy Spirit from me. Right. Because the 636 00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:32,980 S1: Holy Spirit came and went. And then you get the 637 00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:37,340 S1: upper room discourse. And the Lord Jesus says that when 638 00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:40,620 S1: when he sends the comforter, what will happen is that 639 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,940 S1: he will be in all of you forever. So there's 640 00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:47,859 S1: going to be a change after Pentecost. And what he 641 00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:50,380 S1: does here in John 20 is he gives them one 642 00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:53,739 S1: of those Old Testament like temporary fillings to get them 643 00:34:53,739 --> 00:34:56,219 S1: to Pentecost so they could be there when the Holy 644 00:34:56,219 --> 00:35:01,700 S1: Spirit will indwell them all believers permanently. How what do 645 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:02,380 S1: you think, Mike? 646 00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:05,460 S2: Right. Well, it's it is interesting in a couple of 647 00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:09,700 S2: passages in the Gospel of John chapter seven, verse 39, 648 00:35:10,219 --> 00:35:12,700 S2: it says, but this he spoke of the spirit whom 649 00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:15,500 S2: those who believed in him were to receive. For the 650 00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:20,020 S2: spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. 651 00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:23,580 S2: And in chapter 16, verse seven, it says, but I 652 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:25,620 S2: tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that 653 00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:27,700 S2: I go away. For if I do not go away, 654 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:30,380 S2: the helper will not come to you. But if I go, 655 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:33,540 S2: I will send him to you. I think I think 656 00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:36,739 S2: Pentecost is when the spirit really comes. I think what 657 00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:39,259 S2: Jesus does in John chapter 20 is sort of a 658 00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:42,779 S2: symbolic thing. It's it's what theologians would call sort of 659 00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:46,580 S2: a proleptic act. That is, it's he, he does this 660 00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:50,100 S2: as if it should be now. But but the idea 661 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,580 S2: is get ready for this. This is going to come, 662 00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:55,220 S2: this is going to happen, but not until I leave. 663 00:35:55,219 --> 00:35:56,500 S2: And he hadn't left yet. 664 00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:58,860 S1: I like my answer better, Mike. 665 00:35:59,100 --> 00:35:59,580 S9: It's okay. 666 00:35:59,620 --> 00:35:59,819 S2: Yeah. 667 00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:00,820 S9: It's a good answer. 668 00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:04,580 S1: Take your pick. Okay, Patty. Uh, either a temporary infilling 669 00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:08,060 S1: to get them to Pentecost or a proleptic. An anticipatory 670 00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:09,779 S1: act for Pentecost. 671 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:12,300 S10: Okay, I get it. Hey, thank you so much. 672 00:36:12,340 --> 00:36:12,820 S9: Great. 673 00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:13,380 S1: Uh. 674 00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:14,780 S9: Well. 675 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:17,580 S1: I mark it down. That's one of the first times 676 00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:19,860 S1: I've ever heard Mike and I say we don't exactly 677 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,780 S1: see eye to eye on one verse, which is great, 678 00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:25,500 S1: because we can still love each other. Isn't that great? 679 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,660 S1: We can even differ. Uh, we're going to come back 680 00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:30,420 S1: with more of your questions in just a moment. This 681 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:33,460 S1: is Chris Fabry live. Michael and Michael sitting in for him. 682 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:34,220 S1: Be right back. 683 00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:45,620 S12: Whether you need encouragement, hope, or just a friend to 684 00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:48,540 S12: listen to your heart, you're welcome at Chris Fabry Live 685 00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:51,060 S12: to keep this conversation going. I want to invite you 686 00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,340 S12: to become a back fence partner. Your monthly gift keeps 687 00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:56,779 S12: us on the air in your neighborhood. Find out about 688 00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:01,779 S12: exclusive offers and personal messages from yours truly. Call 86695 689 00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:06,580 S12: favorite or automate your Giving online@chris.org. 690 00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:15,500 S1: Well, the two Michaels were allowed to sit in for 691 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:18,620 S1: Chris Fabry today. That's Mike Vanlandingham. I'm Michael Ray Dolnick, 692 00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:20,739 S1: and I can't believe Chris would do it. I'm really 693 00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:23,980 S1: grateful that he did. He'll be back on Monday. Hopefully. 694 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:26,620 S1: We haven't burned down the studio or anything. It's looking 695 00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:30,300 S1: okay so far, so grateful that he let us in. 696 00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:36,940 S1: And there's still some time for questions. (877) 548-3675. But we're 697 00:37:36,940 --> 00:37:39,460 S1: going to go right back to the phones right now. 698 00:37:39,739 --> 00:37:42,780 S1: By the way, the summit is also linked at Chris 699 00:37:42,820 --> 00:37:47,259 S1: Fabry live.org. The summit opposing anti-Semitism and also the trip 700 00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:50,580 S1: to Israel. So if you're looking for anything that I've mentioned, 701 00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:55,340 S1: how to become a back fence partner or anything like that, uh, 702 00:37:55,340 --> 00:37:57,939 S1: how to give a gift as a back fence friend, 703 00:37:58,460 --> 00:38:01,980 S1: you can go to Chris fabry.org. It's all there. And 704 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:05,540 S1: now we're going to talk with Larry in Temple Terrace, Florida, 705 00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:08,259 S1: listening on KES so glad that someone south of the 706 00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:11,500 S1: border is calling. Hey, Larry, welcome to Chris Fabry live. 707 00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:12,820 S1: How can we help you today? 708 00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:16,859 S13: Hello, mirthful. Michael and Michael, who are having entirely too 709 00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:19,180 S13: much fun. But Chris always had a twinkle in his eye. 710 00:38:19,219 --> 00:38:21,780 S13: So we thank you both for your long time ministry. 711 00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:26,540 S13: Here's a question about QR codes technology. How come if 712 00:38:26,540 --> 00:38:26,859 S13: they have. 713 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,420 S1: QR codes technology? That's your question. 714 00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:31,819 S13: How come if they haven't. Here's the question. You got 715 00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:34,859 S13: to wait. Let Vanlandingham give you a little kick in 716 00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:35,340 S13: the side. 717 00:38:35,380 --> 00:38:35,820 S9: Okay. 718 00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:39,420 S13: There's, um, there's a question about how you could use 719 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:42,860 S13: those interspersed in a regular study Bible and save a 720 00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:45,100 S13: lot of room. And maybe it's already been done, but 721 00:38:45,140 --> 00:38:48,069 S13: here's my chief question. Read through the Bible 8 or 722 00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:50,819 S13: 9 times in the last ten years. And the New 723 00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:53,860 S13: Living Translation. I've used the Tyndale One year Bible, but 724 00:38:54,060 --> 00:38:56,140 S13: it's all worn out. I've got to get something else. 725 00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:58,740 S13: But you get so tired of the same thing happening 726 00:38:58,739 --> 00:39:02,140 S13: in the Kings. And I've got the new National Geographic 727 00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:04,979 S13: showing all the different kings and have underlined things. And 728 00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:07,730 S13: then Jeremiah, God help us get us through six months 729 00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:11,569 S13: worth of Jeremiah. Um, that if you just could have 730 00:39:11,570 --> 00:39:15,529 S13: a summary at the end of each day about how 731 00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:17,770 S13: does this apply to me? What was the main thing 732 00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:19,810 S13: said and how does it apply to me? And you 733 00:39:19,810 --> 00:39:22,609 S13: could have it in a QR code and you could 734 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:25,810 S13: just scan. It wouldn't take up any extra room. If 735 00:39:25,810 --> 00:39:28,569 S13: this exists, please let me know. And if it doesn't exist, 736 00:39:28,570 --> 00:39:29,170 S13: how come? 737 00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:32,690 S1: Uh, gene gets study Bible. Uh, what's that called? Tricia. 738 00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:36,250 S1: I know it's the gene get study Bible, isn't it? 739 00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:38,569 S1: That does that. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if 740 00:39:38,570 --> 00:39:40,810 S1: it's called the gene get study Bible, but that's gene 741 00:39:40,810 --> 00:39:43,489 S1: gets did it and it's got all these links that 742 00:39:43,489 --> 00:39:46,690 S1: you can watch videos about. And it's very, very helpful. 743 00:39:46,690 --> 00:39:50,210 S1: That's the one I know of. Uh, and Trish is 744 00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:53,009 S1: looking it up right now to get the name, the 745 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:58,610 S1: life essentials interactive study Bible, the life essentials, interactive study Bible. 746 00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:01,690 S1: Now gene gets taught at Moody Bible Institute and Dallas 747 00:40:01,730 --> 00:40:04,730 S1: Theological Seminary. And then he went back to the pastorate 748 00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:08,009 S1: and started churches that planted churches. And I actually was 749 00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:11,210 S1: ordained in the church that came out of that. He 750 00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:14,489 S1: started Fellowship Bible Church, and the very first plant out 751 00:40:14,489 --> 00:40:17,770 S1: of it was Richland Bible Fellowship. And that's where I 752 00:40:17,770 --> 00:40:21,489 S1: was ordained. And so, and I have old folders. When 753 00:40:21,489 --> 00:40:23,770 S1: I was a student at Dallas Seminary and Doctor Goetz 754 00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:26,970 S1: was teaching adjunct there, he was throwing away his file 755 00:40:26,969 --> 00:40:30,370 S1: folders from many classes. He was no longer teaching. And 756 00:40:30,370 --> 00:40:32,930 S1: so I have old file folders with stuff I put 757 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:35,930 S1: in them that say, Gene gets on the front. So 758 00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:36,370 S1: I'm not. 759 00:40:36,370 --> 00:40:36,569 S9: Gene. 760 00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:41,490 S1: But I have those. So anyway, um, does that help Larry? 761 00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:45,890 S1: By the way, other resources that I think are helpful. Hello, Larry. 762 00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:49,730 S1: I think a good resource for you, the ESV Study Bible, 763 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:53,569 S1: great study Bible. Uh, any other things that you find 764 00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:54,890 S1: really helpful, Mike? 765 00:40:55,930 --> 00:40:59,410 S2: Well, um, you know, I think any, any of the 766 00:40:59,530 --> 00:41:02,969 S2: better study Bibles are really a good resource. There's some 767 00:41:02,969 --> 00:41:06,970 S2: Bible encyclopedias out there and some other things, but there's 768 00:41:06,969 --> 00:41:09,370 S2: all kinds of tools, I think. I think he's got 769 00:41:09,370 --> 00:41:10,010 S2: a good start. 770 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:11,290 S9: Yeah, you know what I like to. 771 00:41:11,489 --> 00:41:14,810 S1: It's cheap too. It's like ten bucks. The NIV compact 772 00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:16,129 S1: Bible commentary by. 773 00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:17,290 S9: John say that. 774 00:41:17,330 --> 00:41:18,090 S2: Yeah yeah. 775 00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:19,090 S9: Yeah. 776 00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:23,690 S1: That is it's just a wonderful little it's like a 777 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:27,210 S1: Bible handbook. It is a wonderful, wonderful little book. 778 00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:31,689 S2: It's it's super brief, but, but he gives a fantastic 779 00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:34,969 S2: overview of each book and some and a few comments 780 00:41:34,969 --> 00:41:38,130 S2: scattered here and there about it. And I find most 781 00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:40,810 S2: all of his comments to be super insightful. 782 00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:41,170 S9: Yeah. 783 00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:44,410 S1: Now you he was my all time favorite doctoral professor. 784 00:41:44,730 --> 00:41:46,330 S1: You had him for classes too, right? 785 00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:49,130 S2: I did, I did, yeah. You said the Old Testament 786 00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:49,810 S2: in the new. 787 00:41:49,850 --> 00:41:50,650 S9: Yeah. Yeah. 788 00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:53,770 S1: I had him for a Messiah in the Old Testament course. 789 00:41:53,969 --> 00:41:56,810 S1: And boy, that was great. That was it. And also, 790 00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:59,090 S1: he was a friend of mine. Uh, he's with the 791 00:41:59,090 --> 00:42:02,410 S1: Lord now. Uh, but I appreciate him so much that 792 00:42:02,489 --> 00:42:06,890 S1: when Editor Bloom and I did the Moody Handbook of 793 00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:09,569 S1: Messianic Prophecy, we dedicated it to John, even though he 794 00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:12,450 S1: was with us. Oh that's good. So yeah. Anyway, I 795 00:42:12,489 --> 00:42:14,290 S1: hope that helps. Larry. We're going to talk to Julie 796 00:42:14,290 --> 00:42:18,009 S1: in Kokomo, Indiana. Listening on WGN are welcome to Chris 797 00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:20,290 S1: Fabry live. Julie. I keep wanting to say something else, 798 00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:22,529 S1: but it's Chris Fabry live. Glad you're with us. How 799 00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:23,130 S1: can we help you? 800 00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:25,410 S11: Thank you so much. I happen to be on the 801 00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:27,810 S11: road headed to Indianapolis, so this is the first for 802 00:42:27,810 --> 00:42:28,170 S11: me to. 803 00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:29,890 S1: Okay. Be safe. Be safe. 804 00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:31,690 S11: Thank you. I like what I'm hearing. I'm going to 805 00:42:31,690 --> 00:42:32,730 S11: start tuning in. 806 00:42:32,770 --> 00:42:35,410 S1: Great. Well, it's not like this all the time. You'll 807 00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:37,210 S1: have to listen to Fabry. Other days. 808 00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:39,890 S2: It's Julie. It's much, much. It's much worse than this. 809 00:42:39,930 --> 00:42:41,969 S2: Most of the time. Yeah. No, I don't I don't 810 00:42:41,969 --> 00:42:42,890 S2: mean that. I don't mean that. 811 00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:46,570 S1: Now Chris Fabry, he's he's actually a dear, dear friend 812 00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:48,569 S1: of ours. And we love him so much we can't 813 00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:49,050 S1: even begin. 814 00:42:49,050 --> 00:42:52,170 S11: To tell you. Well, I look forward to, uh, I 815 00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:56,450 S11: live in South Bend, so I look. What channel would I. 816 00:42:56,489 --> 00:42:59,530 S1: The same when you're listening on right now. WGNRI think. Yeah. 817 00:42:59,570 --> 00:42:59,890 S11: Okay. 818 00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:02,290 S1: Or you can get the moody, Moody radio app. It's 819 00:43:02,290 --> 00:43:03,689 S1: a great way to do it. 820 00:43:03,730 --> 00:43:05,569 S11: I'm going to do that. Thank you so much. Great 821 00:43:05,570 --> 00:43:09,090 S11: information thus far. My question. I sit under a Bible 822 00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:12,810 S11: teacher some years now, and I believe she has taught 823 00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:17,609 S11: that after Jesus appeared to the disciples, showed his wounds, 824 00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:21,810 S11: ascended into heaven, that he now sits in heaven as 825 00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:22,370 S11: a man. 826 00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:24,050 S1: Okay? 827 00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:25,810 S8: Yes, that's her. 828 00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:26,890 S11: That's her teaching. 829 00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:31,450 S1: He's fully God and fully man on earth. He was incarnate, 830 00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:35,969 S1: God incarnate, the God man, and now he is the 831 00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:40,010 S1: God man. Still, he hasn't changed, but now he has 832 00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:41,570 S1: glorified humanity. 833 00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:46,250 S11: Glorified as a man, a human man, flesh and blood. 834 00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:46,770 S1: Yep. 835 00:43:46,810 --> 00:43:50,850 S2: Right. It's it's it's really, really interesting to think about this. 836 00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:54,170 S2: He does still have his humanity, no question about it. 837 00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:58,250 S2: Michael said it was it's a glorified, resurrected body, but 838 00:43:58,250 --> 00:44:01,770 S2: it's still a physical body. He is somewhere right now 839 00:44:02,090 --> 00:44:05,970 S2: occupying three dimensions. We could come up and touch him 840 00:44:05,969 --> 00:44:08,930 S2: because he's somewhere, and yet he's going to come back 841 00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:11,330 S2: to earth someday too. That's how he. That's how he 842 00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:12,130 S2: is right now. 843 00:44:12,570 --> 00:44:18,050 S1: Yeah. It is. Um, it's hard for us to grasp, 844 00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:21,930 S1: but one day we will be resurrected and then we 845 00:44:21,969 --> 00:44:26,609 S1: will also be glorified humanity, resurrected humanity because he is 846 00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:29,890 S1: the firstfruits of the resurrection. First Corinthians 15 says that 847 00:44:29,890 --> 00:44:32,210 S1: means he was the first one that was, you know, 848 00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:37,090 S1: that Lazarus was resurrected. And the the widow's son in 849 00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:41,689 S1: Elijah's day was resurrected. Uh, but none of them were 850 00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:46,649 S1: resurrected to glorified, resurrected humanity. The Lord Jesus was the first. 851 00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:49,970 S1: And that's our hope. He promised that in John six, uh, 852 00:44:50,410 --> 00:44:52,089 S1: one of my favorite passages, I've come not to do 853 00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:54,129 S1: my will, he says, but the will of him who 854 00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:56,330 S1: sent me. And this is the will of him who 855 00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:58,810 S1: sent me, that of all he has given me, I 856 00:44:58,850 --> 00:45:03,169 S1: lose not one of them and raise him up at 857 00:45:03,210 --> 00:45:06,450 S1: the last day. That's that's our great hope. We're going 858 00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:11,650 S1: to be fully alive, fully human, uh, but glorified humanity. 859 00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:14,570 S1: No sinning anymore. Does that does that help Julie? 860 00:45:14,610 --> 00:45:17,610 S11: Yes, very much, so much clearer. Thank you so much. 861 00:45:17,650 --> 00:45:20,850 S1: Hey, thanks so much for listening. And thank you, Mike 862 00:45:20,850 --> 00:45:24,690 S1: Van Laningham, for joining me today. This has been so 863 00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:26,010 S1: much fun. I can't tell you. 864 00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:29,890 S2: It's everybody needs to know. It is so wonderful, so 865 00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:33,210 S2: much fun to work with friends on these kinds of ministries. 866 00:45:33,250 --> 00:45:35,370 S2: And so Michael, he's a friend. So is Chris. 867 00:45:35,410 --> 00:45:39,010 S1: Yeah. Let's just come on Monday and ditch ditch. Chris. Okay. 868 00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:42,049 S1: That's a good idea. Anyway, as always, thanks to the 869 00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:46,450 S1: CFL team here, Trisha, our producer Lisa, who is helping out, uh, 870 00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:50,090 S1: Ryan for being our engineer. Josh for answering the phones. Remember, 871 00:45:50,090 --> 00:45:52,490 S1: keep in touch with Chris Fabry live by going to 872 00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:57,169 S1: Chris Fabry live.org. There's all sorts of links there that 873 00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:59,370 S1: we mentioned, and I want to be sure to let 874 00:45:59,370 --> 00:46:02,930 S1: you know that the. Summit is linked there. Opposing anti-Semitism 875 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:05,689 S1: and the trip to Israel that's coming up. I hope 876 00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:08,530 S1: you'll check that out. The links are right there. Just 877 00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:10,969 S1: what you need. Also, it tells you when you go 878 00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:13,250 S1: there how to become a back fence friend, how to 879 00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:17,290 S1: become a back. Back fence partner. And you know, I 880 00:46:17,330 --> 00:46:21,650 S1: love how Chris talks about talking over the backyard fence, radio, 881 00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:24,969 S1: backyard fence. I stole that because on Open Line I 882 00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:27,890 S1: talk about sitting around the radio kitchen table. I learned 883 00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:31,009 S1: everything I know about radio from Chris Fabry, and I'm 884 00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:35,130 S1: looking forward to him being back with us next Monday. 885 00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:37,130 S1: Chris will be back and you'll have a great time 886 00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:41,209 S1: with him. Open. Not open. Chris Avery live with Chris 887 00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:45,170 S1: Avery and Michael Ray Dolnick and Mike Vanlandingham is a 888 00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:49,450 S1: production of Moody Radio, a Ministry of Moody Bible Institute. 889 00:46:49,489 --> 00:46:50,490 S1: See you next month.