1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,000 S1: That's right, friend, it's that time. Time to let the 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,400 S1: onion skin fly. As we take your questions about the 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,399 S1: Bible and the Christian life. And who better to tackle 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,560 S1: those questions than those twin sons of different testaments? They 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,320 S1: put the life and legacy, the EAC and Founders Week. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 S1: I'm talking about Doctor Michael Vanlandingham and Doctor Michael Rudnick. 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,840 S1: The two Michaels are back today. Don't wait. Don't hold back. 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:32,280 S1: We want to hear your question right now at (877) 548-3675. 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:39,120 S1: Don't wait until the end of the program. Get in early. (877) 548-3675. 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,920 S1: If you have a biblical conundrum call that number. Let's 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,159 S1: see if they can assist you. Helping out behind the 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,880 S1: scenes today I'm kind of doing all things technical. Trish 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,720 S1: is our producer. Lisa is in the chair today. Josh 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,760 S1: will be answering your questions, answering your phone calls. Now 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,000 S1: here they are. They put the psi and disciple the 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,520 S1: new and hermeneutics. I'm talking about open lines doctor Michael Rudnick, 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,680 S1: who is also professor emeritus of Jewish studies and Bible 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,679 S1: at Moody Bible Institute and his co-editor of the Moody 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,959 S1: Bible Commentary, former pastor of biblical research at Harvest Bible 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,120 S1: Chapel in Elgin, Illinois. Doctor Michael Van Landingham, ladies and gentlemen, 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,720 S1: I give you the two Michaels. Yay! 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,039 S2: Even Tricia's clapping. 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,800 S1: Yay, Tricia. Welcome, gentlemen. How are you? Doctor, you just 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,200 S1: got back from the Aegean Sea. Yeah. Did you leave 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,280 S1: any water in there? 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,200 S2: Well, it was mostly cruising it. Got it. Got a 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,039 S2: little rough at the end. I gotta say, uh, we 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,920 S2: were supposed to get off, uh, near Philippi and go 29 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,920 S2: see Philippi. But the storm, the sea was so wild 30 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,319 S2: that the captain said, you know, we have to go 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,040 S2: hide behind this island over here, and we're going to 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,200 S2: skip that. That. 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:50,640 S1: Oh. 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,920 S2: And it really was I. My bed moved halfway across 35 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,920 S2: the floor in the cabin in the middle of the night. 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,000 S3: Holy cow. Yeah. 37 00:01:58,810 --> 00:02:01,210 S1: What about Eva? Did Eva do okay? Did she enjoy? 38 00:02:01,250 --> 00:02:05,250 S2: Eva was great. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, we made this 39 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:08,690 S2: decision in our cabin to have. It was a it 40 00:02:08,690 --> 00:02:12,889 S2: was a sail ship. It wasn't a big floating hotel. 41 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:16,370 S2: It was a sailing ship. And and in the past, 42 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:18,850 S2: the rooms are so small, the cabins are so small 43 00:02:19,090 --> 00:02:23,889 S2: that when we share a double bed, one of us 44 00:02:23,889 --> 00:02:26,570 S2: has to climb over the other to get in and. 45 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:29,209 S2: And so we. We split them up into two twin 46 00:02:29,210 --> 00:02:33,250 S2: beds and my twin bed actually made it across the floor, 47 00:02:33,250 --> 00:02:36,370 S2: so it was next to hers. That's how much that's 48 00:02:36,370 --> 00:02:38,810 S2: how I learned about the ship was it was kind of. 49 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:39,850 S4: All the life. 50 00:02:39,889 --> 00:02:42,570 S1: 50 years. And you guys are doing the Aegean. 51 00:02:42,610 --> 00:02:43,329 S4: Yeah, that was. 52 00:02:43,330 --> 00:02:45,530 S2: Something I'm telling you. And I did get to teach 53 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:50,330 S2: the Bible at different places like Ephesus and Patmos. And, uh, 54 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:51,850 S2: that was kind of fun to do. 55 00:02:52,010 --> 00:02:54,850 S1: So Mary Hope says on Facebook, when the two Michaels 56 00:02:54,850 --> 00:02:56,730 S1: come on your show, it should be changed to the 57 00:02:56,810 --> 00:03:01,570 S1: Three Amigos. Our. That's my favorite segment, Linda says. That 58 00:03:01,570 --> 00:03:06,130 S1: picture on Facebook makes me laugh every time. And I 59 00:03:06,169 --> 00:03:08,690 S1: have to say, if you go to our Facebook page, 60 00:03:08,970 --> 00:03:13,010 S1: I look like Goliath. I am just huge. I think 61 00:03:13,010 --> 00:03:15,730 S1: you two are kneeling or something in that in that picture. 62 00:03:15,730 --> 00:03:17,850 S1: But go there and look at the picture. But wait, 63 00:03:17,850 --> 00:03:21,609 S1: we have something important to tell you. Ladies and gentlemen, 64 00:03:21,610 --> 00:03:24,930 S1: news coming during Founder's Week. Open Line is expanding to 65 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:29,169 S1: three hours beginning October 24th. Join us on Saturdays from 66 00:03:29,169 --> 00:03:32,970 S1: 8 to 11 central time. It says. Yes, Michael, you've 67 00:03:32,970 --> 00:03:34,329 S1: got an extra hour now. 68 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:36,450 S2: Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure what we're going to do 69 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:38,890 S2: with it. Hoping people will call. You know, you never know. 70 00:03:39,090 --> 00:03:40,010 S2: So you. 71 00:03:40,010 --> 00:03:41,890 S1: Can talk about cars, you know, if you have to, 72 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:42,250 S1: you know. 73 00:03:42,250 --> 00:03:43,290 S4: How to fix your carburetor. 74 00:03:43,330 --> 00:03:46,730 S2: I'll get. This week I've got, I've got, uh, Eva 75 00:03:46,770 --> 00:03:49,330 S2: on with me for that first hour. So that will 76 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:52,010 S2: produce some calls. I think people like talking to her. 77 00:03:52,050 --> 00:03:55,450 S1: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Any proverb Eva's all over that. 78 00:03:55,860 --> 00:03:58,180 S2: She's you know, she you think of her as the 79 00:03:58,180 --> 00:04:01,340 S2: expert on Proverbs, but I think of her as the 80 00:04:01,340 --> 00:04:02,780 S2: expert on the whole Bible. 81 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:03,220 S1: Mhm. 82 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:03,900 S2: Yeah. 83 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:07,420 S1: Well, I think of her too, literarily, because she's going 84 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:10,500 S1: to be on with Rosie Day, Rosie next Wednesday, and 85 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:12,740 S1: we're going to talk about The Screwtape Letters. It's our 86 00:04:12,740 --> 00:04:15,420 S1: book club. So if you haven't read it in a while, 87 00:04:15,420 --> 00:04:17,700 S1: if you've never read it, read The Screwtape Letters and 88 00:04:17,700 --> 00:04:19,179 S1: join us next Wednesday. 89 00:04:19,180 --> 00:04:22,460 S2: For about 20 years, Eva taught us the fiction of. 90 00:04:22,460 --> 00:04:22,859 S1: C.S.. 91 00:04:22,860 --> 00:04:23,740 S2: Lewis at Moody. 92 00:04:24,060 --> 00:04:26,660 S1: Yes. Okay. So I got a question for you, and 93 00:04:26,660 --> 00:04:29,140 S1: we'll take your calls now. Any question about the Bible? 94 00:04:29,140 --> 00:04:33,700 S1: Genesis to revelation? No Nephilim. It's a no Nephilim. Thursday. 95 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:34,100 S2: Ah. 96 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:41,380 S1: But if you got a question about that. Uh, (877) 548-3675. 97 00:04:41,420 --> 00:04:45,220 S1: But my program tomorrow, I heard this story about a 98 00:04:45,220 --> 00:04:48,540 S1: young man at Moody Bible Institute who had. It was 99 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:52,060 S1: he took the president out to dinner at a McDonald's. 100 00:04:52,540 --> 00:04:55,660 S1: And at the end of this conversation. This was a 101 00:04:55,660 --> 00:04:58,779 S1: story told at the inauguration of Doctor Nelson last week. 102 00:04:59,060 --> 00:05:02,940 S1: At the end of it, he asked the president to 103 00:05:02,980 --> 00:05:05,619 S1: write something on the very front of his Bible. There's 104 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:09,420 S1: just some some words. And he still has that Bible 105 00:05:09,420 --> 00:05:11,660 S1: with what Doctor Stole wrote. And you're going to hear 106 00:05:11,660 --> 00:05:13,780 S1: that story tomorrow, but I want to ask you to. 107 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:17,779 S1: Is there anything written in one of your Bibles? Did 108 00:05:17,779 --> 00:05:22,060 S1: anybody maybe an inscription, anything that was written there by 109 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:26,420 S1: someone that you've kept or have you squirreled away a 110 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:29,420 S1: letter or a card or something? And every time you 111 00:05:29,420 --> 00:05:31,860 S1: open that Bible and see it, it does something on 112 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:35,100 S1: the inside. Let me start with Doctor Van Landingham first. 113 00:05:36,380 --> 00:05:40,660 S3: Yeah, I'm it's not a Bible I use every day anymore, 114 00:05:40,660 --> 00:05:42,620 S3: but it was the first Bible I ever bought. It 115 00:05:42,620 --> 00:05:47,580 S3: was the King James Version. Uh, Thompson chain reference Bible. 116 00:05:47,940 --> 00:05:50,020 S3: And it's funny. I still grab it and look at 117 00:05:50,020 --> 00:05:53,830 S3: it and stuff, but my wife, um, Made a little 118 00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:58,789 S3: card for me 90 days before we got married, and 119 00:05:58,790 --> 00:06:01,270 S3: she stuck it in my Bible, and I didn't know 120 00:06:01,270 --> 00:06:03,110 S3: she had done that. And I discovered it, you know, 121 00:06:03,150 --> 00:06:06,870 S3: the next day or something. And she just, you know, 122 00:06:07,029 --> 00:06:09,710 S3: talks about how much she loves me and can't wait 123 00:06:09,710 --> 00:06:11,750 S3: for us to be married so we can be together 124 00:06:11,750 --> 00:06:15,830 S3: all the time. And every time I use my chain 125 00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:19,470 S3: reference Bible, which actually is with some frequency, um, I 126 00:06:19,470 --> 00:06:21,910 S3: see that card there and it makes me smile and 127 00:06:21,910 --> 00:06:24,630 S3: it makes me love her all the more. Oh. 128 00:06:24,990 --> 00:06:26,469 S5: I love it. Doctor Melnick. 129 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:29,670 S2: Well, I really don't have any things that I've tucked 130 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:32,830 S2: in my Bible there. There is a verse that I 131 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:35,390 S2: wrote in the front of my Bible, and I've written 132 00:06:35,390 --> 00:06:38,470 S2: in the front of every Bible I've ever had, and 133 00:06:38,510 --> 00:06:41,670 S2: it always gives me encouragement. It says, I assure you. 134 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:43,910 S2: Jesus said, there is no one who has left house 135 00:06:43,950 --> 00:06:47,870 S2: brother or sisters, mother or father or children or fields 136 00:06:47,870 --> 00:06:50,430 S2: because of me and the good news who will not 137 00:06:50,470 --> 00:06:54,870 S2: receive a hundred 100 times more now at this time. Houses, 138 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:59,430 S2: brothers and sisters, mothers and children and fields with persecutions 139 00:06:59,790 --> 00:07:02,270 S2: and eternal life in the age to come. But many 140 00:07:02,310 --> 00:07:05,110 S2: who are first will be last and the last first. 141 00:07:05,150 --> 00:07:08,790 S2: That's Mark 1029 through 31. That always gives me encouragement, 142 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:12,190 S2: and it's a really meaningful verse to me. And it 143 00:07:12,230 --> 00:07:15,030 S2: gave me I wrote it in my very first Bible, 144 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:19,800 S2: and I got a new American standard back in 1973 145 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,630 S2: or 4. I wrote it in there. I had another 146 00:07:23,630 --> 00:07:25,230 S2: Bible before that, but that was the first one I 147 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:28,510 S2: ever bought for myself and, and wrote it in there. 148 00:07:28,510 --> 00:07:30,390 S2: And I've written it in every Bible I've ever used 149 00:07:30,390 --> 00:07:31,030 S2: ever since. 150 00:07:31,150 --> 00:07:34,870 S1: How much did that Bible cost that NASB back then? 151 00:07:35,230 --> 00:07:35,950 S1: What do you think? 152 00:07:35,990 --> 00:07:37,790 S2: Probably about $5. 153 00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:41,429 S1: $8 maybe. Exactly. And and that was a lot of money, 154 00:07:41,470 --> 00:07:44,910 S1: you know, at the time. Uh, okay. So that there's 155 00:07:44,910 --> 00:07:47,270 S1: just so much that we have to talk about here today. 156 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:50,150 S1: I didn't even mention I had Aaron Shust on while 157 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:51,470 S1: you were on the Aegean. 158 00:07:51,550 --> 00:07:53,190 S2: I heard I heard the podcast. 159 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:55,830 S1: Did you really? Oh, he was he was so fantastic. 160 00:07:56,310 --> 00:07:58,310 S1: And he's going to be at the Moody's summit opposing 161 00:07:58,310 --> 00:08:02,470 S1: the new Christian anti-Semitism. Saturday, November 7th. Yes, we have 162 00:08:02,470 --> 00:08:04,990 S1: a link to that. We've got a link to Founders 163 00:08:04,990 --> 00:08:08,990 S1: Week if you want to hear Doctor Tony Evans speaking tonight, 164 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:12,510 S1: the live stream. Oh, there's so much. And your questions 165 00:08:12,510 --> 00:08:18,110 S1: about the Bible at (877) 548-3675. The two Michaels are in 166 00:08:18,110 --> 00:08:21,950 S1: the house. Let's take advantage of their wisdom and knowledge 167 00:08:21,950 --> 00:08:30,670 S1: and have some fun reading the Bible together. (877) 548-3675. More 168 00:08:30,670 --> 00:08:46,030 S1: coming up straight ahead on Moody Radio. Hour featured resources@chris.org 169 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:50,800 S1: are not limited to but include the moody Bible commentary. 170 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,920 S1: How should Christians think about Israel? 50 most important Bible questions. 171 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,120 S1: We got a link to the Moody's summit opposing the 172 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,679 S1: new Christian anti-Semitism coming up November 7th. There's a link 173 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,000 S1: there to founders. Oh, there's so much for you. Just 174 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,920 S1: go to Chris Fabry live.org and give us a call 175 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:15,559 S1: at (877) 548-3675. We start with Debbie in Florida. Debbie. Tell 176 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,559 S1: us your question. 177 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,319 S6: Yes. Um, in Genesis one, it starts out by saying 178 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,360 S6: that God said, let there be light. And then he 179 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:32,760 S6: separated light from darkness. And then he made day and night. 180 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,679 S6: And then it said, he made the sun and the moon. 181 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,840 S6: That's for him to say it in three different ways. 182 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,880 S6: I know there's some significance there, but it, it just 183 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,880 S6: sounds puzzling to me that it seems like that there 184 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,199 S6: was a delay between, I mean, the light was there. 185 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,800 S2: Light and darkness is found on the first day of creation. 186 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,000 S2: The sun, moon and stars you find on the fourth 187 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,240 S2: day of creation. So that's, I think, your question. How 188 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,720 S2: do we have light and darkness on the first day? 189 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,960 S2: And the sun, moon and stars for the fourth day? 190 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,040 S2: Is that what you're asking? Debbie. 191 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,440 S6: That is. Yes. 192 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,280 S2: Okay. Uh, shall I go first, Michael? 193 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,800 S3: Uh, yeah. You've taught Genesis. Dude, go for it. 194 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:30,960 S2: Well, well, the first day of creation, uh, is clearly 195 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,559 S2: God making light. And there can be no light and 196 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,160 S2: darkness without the sun, moon, and stars. And there's a 197 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,040 S2: literary structure. Well, for some people say that just like 198 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,329 S2: in the new creation where the sun will be replaced 199 00:10:46,330 --> 00:10:49,130 S2: by the Messiah himself. So they think that for the 200 00:10:49,130 --> 00:10:52,770 S2: first three days, that's what was breaking the light, that 201 00:10:52,770 --> 00:10:54,850 S2: God himself was the light. But I don't think so. 202 00:10:54,850 --> 00:10:57,810 S2: I think there's a literary device. In the first three days, 203 00:10:57,809 --> 00:11:01,010 S2: God formed, and the second three days of creation and 204 00:11:01,010 --> 00:11:03,890 S2: parallel to the first three days, God filled. So he 205 00:11:03,890 --> 00:11:06,929 S2: made light. And then it has that he filled it. 206 00:11:06,929 --> 00:11:11,370 S2: And if you read in Hebrew literarily exactly what it 207 00:11:11,370 --> 00:11:18,690 S2: says in Genesis one about the formation, it actually is 208 00:11:18,690 --> 00:11:23,130 S2: written as a purpose clause. It doesn't have anything. It 209 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:27,250 S2: says that God, uh, God said, let there be lights 210 00:11:27,250 --> 00:11:30,730 S2: in the expanse of the sky to separate the day 211 00:11:30,730 --> 00:11:34,370 S2: from night. But it literally says, let the lights in 212 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:40,809 S2: the expanse of the heavens be to separate day from night. 213 00:11:40,809 --> 00:11:48,050 S2: In other words, it's declaring their purpose, Not declaring their existence. 214 00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:50,929 S2: So I think what happens is on the first day, 215 00:11:50,929 --> 00:11:53,130 S2: God makes light, he makes sun, moon and stars. And 216 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:55,770 S2: then on the fourth day, he fills the light by 217 00:11:55,770 --> 00:11:58,449 S2: declaring the purpose of the sun, moon, and stars. And 218 00:11:58,450 --> 00:12:02,450 S2: then at the end, when it says so, God created, uh, the, 219 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:06,370 S2: the star, the sun, moon, and stars and placed them in, 220 00:12:06,410 --> 00:12:09,330 S2: in the heavens. Uh, and he saw that it was good. 221 00:12:09,330 --> 00:12:11,250 S2: That's going back to what, what he had done in 222 00:12:11,250 --> 00:12:13,770 S2: the first day. God had already made those. And so 223 00:12:13,809 --> 00:12:15,730 S2: what you have on the first day he makes sun, 224 00:12:15,730 --> 00:12:18,250 S2: moon and stars, calls it light and darkness. Then on 225 00:12:18,250 --> 00:12:20,410 S2: the fourth day he declares the purpose of the sun, 226 00:12:20,410 --> 00:12:23,210 S2: moon and stars. And what is the purpose? It's not 227 00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:27,410 S2: just to divide light from dark, but also to be 228 00:12:27,410 --> 00:12:32,089 S2: for times and seasons, which is a very interesting thing 229 00:12:32,130 --> 00:12:36,770 S2: to me, because the times and seasons is the same 230 00:12:36,770 --> 00:12:40,810 S2: word that's used in Leviticus 23 about the festivals of Israel. Remember, 231 00:12:40,809 --> 00:12:43,090 S2: this is part of the Torah. This is given to Israel. 232 00:12:43,580 --> 00:12:45,700 S2: What this is saying is God made the sun, moon, 233 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:49,420 S2: and stars so that Israel could keep the festivals that 234 00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:53,219 S2: God would give them at Sinai. That's their purpose. 235 00:12:53,380 --> 00:12:56,900 S1: Well, and Psalm 19, the heavens declare the glory of God, 236 00:12:56,900 --> 00:12:59,100 S1: and the sky proclaims the work of his hands. Yeah. 237 00:12:59,140 --> 00:13:01,699 S1: So this all comes back to the glory of God, too. Yeah. 238 00:13:01,740 --> 00:13:03,699 S1: Michael van Landingham, what do you say? 239 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:07,460 S3: Um, what Michael just said. Yeah, that's what I was 240 00:13:07,460 --> 00:13:08,220 S3: going to say too. 241 00:13:11,820 --> 00:13:14,700 S1: But but for those who say no, no, the that 242 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:17,060 S1: first day in the beginning, God created the heavens and 243 00:13:17,059 --> 00:13:19,500 S1: the earth. The earth was formless and empty. Darkness covered 244 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:23,500 S1: the surface. And God said, let there be light. Those 245 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:26,380 S1: who say, well, that was the Shekinah glory of God. Yeah, 246 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:30,100 S1: you would disagree with them. But that's a that's an 247 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:32,699 S1: interpretation that you can live with, right? 248 00:13:32,740 --> 00:13:35,100 S2: Yeah. That's what some people hold to. And that's fine. 249 00:13:35,420 --> 00:13:39,100 S2: I think it doesn't. I think sometimes we forget that 250 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:43,819 S2: the Bible is not just a. Uh, it is factual. Factual, 251 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:47,140 S2: but it's not just fact based. It's actually written in 252 00:13:47,140 --> 00:13:50,420 S2: a literary way. And, and that's what I think is 253 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:53,819 S2: happening in the six days of creation. First three days formed, 254 00:13:54,220 --> 00:13:58,260 S2: and then the second three days filled in parallel to it. 255 00:13:58,260 --> 00:14:01,059 S2: And you can see what happens. Like he, uh, you, 256 00:14:01,059 --> 00:14:03,780 S2: you can compare them. That's another that's for when I 257 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:06,700 S2: teach the whole book of Genesis, we, we charted up 258 00:14:06,700 --> 00:14:09,700 S2: there and show how, uh, on the first three days 259 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:12,420 S2: he forms and then four, five and six, he fills 260 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:14,580 S2: what he did on the first day, on the fourth day. 261 00:14:14,580 --> 00:14:16,220 S2: And then on the fifth day, he fills what he 262 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:18,620 S2: did on the second day. And on the sixth day, 263 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:20,860 S2: he fills what he did on the third day. 264 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:22,700 S1: Got it. Debbie. Did that help? 265 00:14:23,540 --> 00:14:25,460 S6: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. It did. 266 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:25,860 S1: Yes. 267 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:27,060 S6: Okay. Thank you so much. 268 00:14:27,260 --> 00:14:30,580 S1: Where are you headed today? What's 4.4 miles from where 269 00:14:30,580 --> 00:14:31,380 S1: you are right now? 270 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:34,660 S6: Oh, sorry about that. I have a different phone to 271 00:14:34,660 --> 00:14:35,740 S6: get my hair done. 272 00:14:36,060 --> 00:14:40,380 S1: Oh, good for you. Are you doing just a haircut, 273 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:42,350 S1: or is it color? What are you going to have done? 274 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:45,710 S6: Yes, a color, I will admit. Yeah, yeah. Color. 275 00:14:45,870 --> 00:14:49,150 S1: That's all right. Well, I hope, I hope you just 276 00:14:49,150 --> 00:14:51,910 S1: really enjoy the process and have a good conversation with 277 00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:52,470 S1: your stylist. 278 00:14:52,510 --> 00:14:55,910 S6: Yeah. Thank you so much. I so appreciate your insight. 279 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:57,510 S6: I've wondered about that a lot. 280 00:14:58,630 --> 00:15:00,910 S1: And God said, let there be color in Debbie's hair. 281 00:15:00,950 --> 00:15:01,990 S2: Yeah. Amen. 282 00:15:02,030 --> 00:15:05,590 S1: Yeah. God bless you, friend. Okay, so I think the 283 00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:10,350 S1: next call is ivory in Florida. Hi, Ivory. Go right ahead. 284 00:15:11,390 --> 00:15:15,390 S7: Hi. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my call. I 285 00:15:15,390 --> 00:15:20,109 S7: just wanted to ask about. Sorry. I wanted to inquire 286 00:15:20,110 --> 00:15:25,590 S7: about the millennial reign in revelation. Um, the thousand year 287 00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:29,950 S7: time span in which we are to reign with Jesus. 288 00:15:30,190 --> 00:15:34,790 S7: But yet Satan still has an opportunity to deceive the 289 00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:38,390 S7: nations for that. I mean, revelation in general is a 290 00:15:38,390 --> 00:15:42,590 S7: pretty heavy book and all of the prophecy in it. 291 00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:47,350 S7: So I would just like your guys's explanation on that 292 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:50,790 S7: and what it what it might entail. And I know 293 00:15:50,830 --> 00:15:53,030 S7: that a day is as a thousand years to the 294 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:55,150 S7: Lord and a thousand years is as a day. So, 295 00:15:55,190 --> 00:15:58,870 S7: you know, I'm not entirely sure about the, the whole 296 00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:59,830 S7: length of the rain. 297 00:16:00,150 --> 00:16:02,870 S1: Yeah. All right, doctor, you start. 298 00:16:03,390 --> 00:16:06,390 S3: Sure. Well, of course, a lot of people think that 299 00:16:06,390 --> 00:16:08,790 S3: this is sort of spiritualized, that this is talking about 300 00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:12,310 S3: the spiritual resurrection or something like that of of Christians. 301 00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:15,110 S3: But I think I think it's six times I should 302 00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:18,550 S3: count it up in this passage. It mentions a thousand years. 303 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:20,630 S3: And so it seems to me that it really is 304 00:16:20,630 --> 00:16:24,870 S3: a literal thousand years. Um, and I think Satan is 305 00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:27,790 S3: bound during that time, which, which is one of the 306 00:16:27,790 --> 00:16:30,750 S3: reasons why I think we can't be in the kingdom 307 00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:33,910 S3: right now, which is what many people would claim simply 308 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:38,190 S3: because I think Satan's plenty active today and not really bound. 309 00:16:38,750 --> 00:16:41,670 S3: But it's interesting that when he's released, there's this there's 310 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:46,750 S3: another rebellion against Jesus and his people. And it seems 311 00:16:46,750 --> 00:16:49,030 S3: to me that at least one of the reasons for 312 00:16:49,070 --> 00:16:54,030 S3: that is as a demonstration of just the depravity of humankind, 313 00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:57,150 S3: that now we have a perfect environment as it relates 314 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:59,590 S3: to the millennial kingdom, where it's going to be Paradise 315 00:16:59,590 --> 00:17:05,110 S3: on earth again. And yet, um, when Satan is released, 316 00:17:05,310 --> 00:17:08,790 S3: there are people who are they have not embraced Christ 317 00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:13,510 S3: by faith, even in the millennial kingdom. And so, uh, he's, 318 00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:17,590 S3: he's able to be his, uh, very successful Satan is. Um, 319 00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:20,109 S3: but the demonstration here is to show just how depraved 320 00:17:20,109 --> 00:17:23,430 S3: and fallen we really are that even in a perfect environment, 321 00:17:23,830 --> 00:17:27,350 S3: we could still really mess up, as they're going to 322 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:28,470 S3: do in the future here. 323 00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:31,310 S1: Just like in the garden. Michael. Go ahead. 324 00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:35,630 S2: I think that Mike is 100% right about the way 325 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:38,880 S2: the word 1000 is used over and over shows that 326 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,960 S2: it's meant to be that way. In fact, if you 327 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,840 S2: look at every number in the whole book of revelation, 328 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,280 S2: they're always literal. And so this idea that it just 329 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,600 S2: means a long, long time that would be out of 330 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,960 S2: sequence for what the rest of the book of revelation 331 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,080 S2: is doing with numbers. And the other thing, too, is, 332 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,760 S2: you know, everyone that enters the millennial kingdom at the beginning, 333 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,640 S2: everyone is a believer. They're either resurrected believers who enter 334 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,760 S2: with glorified bodies, or the people like Israel is saved 335 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,600 S2: at the end of the tribulation. When when they call 336 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,800 S2: out on the Messiah, they enter the kingdom. The the 337 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,040 S2: sheep and the goats are judged, the sheep being the 338 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,680 S2: Gentile believers who demonstrate that they're genuine and because of 339 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,760 S2: the way they've treated the. The least of these is brothers. Remember. 340 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,399 S2: That's how they demonstrate their faith. They enter the kingdom. 341 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,400 S2: They're not glorified yet, but they are believers. Yet they 342 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,400 S2: will have children in the millennial kingdom, and those children 343 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,440 S2: will need to accept the Lord and there will be 344 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,359 S2: some who will not. And it's going to show that 345 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,960 S2: even though they live in a perfect environment, they can't 346 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,240 S2: even say, the devil made me do it because he's bound. 347 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,359 S2: Then at the end, when when he is when Satan 348 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,520 S2: is unbound, they're going to say, that's who we want 349 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,000 S2: to follow. And there's one last great rebellion. It just shows, 350 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,080 S2: I think it takes away the whole way that we are, 351 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,280 S2: where we blame. I think it's it's normal for people 352 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,200 S2: to say, oh, the devil made me do it. That's 353 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,040 S2: not just Flip Wilson's character, you know, back in the day, 354 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,720 S2: that's what people are like. 355 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,479 S1: And dating yourself. Michael. 356 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,480 S2: Yeah. But as Mike said, it shows. I think it 357 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,040 S2: absolutely shows how corrupt we are on the inside without Jesus. 358 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,560 S1: So in the millennial kingdom, in that thousand years, will 359 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,440 S1: there be sin then those. Satan has been bound. 360 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,210 S2: Yeah, there will be, but there'll be justice immediately. If 361 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:39,850 S2: you read Isaiah 65, it's really interesting. There'll be death 362 00:19:39,850 --> 00:19:43,010 S2: even in the in the millennial kingdom. Uh, people will 363 00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:48,090 S2: die in Isaiah 65. Here, I'm turning to it now. Uh, 364 00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:51,970 S2: which is sort of the best I understand. It conflates 365 00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:56,929 S2: both the millennial kingdom and the eternal state, the new creation, 366 00:19:56,930 --> 00:19:59,930 S2: the new heavens, and the new earth. It conflates them together. 367 00:19:59,930 --> 00:20:05,170 S2: But it says, uh, that if someone here here's where 368 00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:07,410 S2: it says it, indeed, a youth will die at a 369 00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:09,730 S2: hundred years. So if someone lives to a hundred years 370 00:20:09,730 --> 00:20:12,370 S2: and they die, that will be considered a youth. And 371 00:20:12,369 --> 00:20:14,290 S2: the one who misses a hundred years is someone who 372 00:20:14,290 --> 00:20:19,130 S2: is cursed. Um, and it says in her, in a 373 00:20:19,170 --> 00:20:21,490 S2: nursing infant will no longer live only a few days. 374 00:20:21,490 --> 00:20:23,609 S2: An old man will not live out an old or 375 00:20:23,650 --> 00:20:26,169 S2: an old man, not live out his days. If someone 376 00:20:26,170 --> 00:20:28,250 S2: dies at 100, that's going to be considered young. Well, 377 00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:32,450 S2: why are they dying? Because they're still sinning. Um, and 378 00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:35,730 S2: But then God will create a new heavens and a 379 00:20:35,730 --> 00:20:39,609 S2: new earth. And at that time, uh, that's after the, 380 00:20:39,609 --> 00:20:43,210 S2: the last rebellion that that's spoken of in revelation 20. 381 00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:46,650 S2: And then revelation 21 and 22, there's a new creation, 382 00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:49,890 S2: new heavens and a new earth. That's absolutely perfect. And 383 00:20:49,890 --> 00:20:51,650 S2: no more rebellion, no more sin. 384 00:20:51,730 --> 00:20:54,290 S1: What verse was that that you were reading from Isaiah. 385 00:20:54,330 --> 00:20:59,570 S2: 65, which I already closed? Uh, it's about verse. Uh. 386 00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:01,649 S1: I asked you too soon, didn't I? 387 00:21:01,690 --> 00:21:04,770 S2: Yeah, here it is. I'll find it again. Uh, I, 388 00:21:05,250 --> 00:21:08,050 S2: you know, I'm good at chapters, not good at individual verses. 389 00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:10,609 S1: No. That's good. Yeah, that's that's where I was. I 390 00:21:10,609 --> 00:21:11,330 S1: just wanted to see. 391 00:21:11,490 --> 00:21:15,609 S2: Okay. It's verse 20. Uh, yeah. Where it says that 392 00:21:15,609 --> 00:21:17,850 S2: people will die even if they die at a hundred. 393 00:21:17,890 --> 00:21:21,170 S2: That means that they have really blown it. 394 00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:24,770 S1: Ivory. Does that help you understand it a little bit better? 395 00:21:25,930 --> 00:21:29,130 S7: Well, that was an excellent explanation. I really appreciate that. 396 00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:30,610 S7: It helps me understand. 397 00:21:31,180 --> 00:21:33,540 S1: That's great. Well, thank you for calling today. Appreciate it. 398 00:21:33,580 --> 00:21:36,139 S1: The two Michaels are here at the Radio Backyard Fence, 399 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:41,700 S1: and they are open to your questions at (877) 548-3675. This 400 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:45,060 S1: is one of the most wonderful things we do all month. 401 00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:47,260 S1: And that is just open the Bible and have fun. 402 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:49,859 S1: We ask questions. We don't get into arguments. This is 403 00:21:49,859 --> 00:21:52,940 S1: not about how many angels you know. It's not trivia. 404 00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:56,020 S1: It's like I've been wondering about this, just like Ivory 405 00:21:56,020 --> 00:22:00,300 S1: was asking. And just like Dexter is wondering in Illinois. Hi, Dexter. 406 00:22:00,340 --> 00:22:01,140 S1: Go right ahead. 407 00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:04,220 S8: Uh, how are you? How are you guys doing? I 408 00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:07,260 S8: have a quick question. My daughter is a she's a 409 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:10,780 S8: new believer and she's off to school and she goes 410 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:13,739 S8: to Purdue Northwest. And they had a little Bibles. They 411 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:17,020 S8: have a Bible study every every Monday night. But one 412 00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:19,300 S8: of the young ladies told her that since she had 413 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:23,820 S8: never been water baptized, that she wasn't a true believer, 414 00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:27,580 S8: and that that made her feel like they made her 415 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:30,060 S8: feel a little uneasy. So I just wanted to get you. 416 00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:31,939 S8: I mean, I talked to her about it, but I 417 00:22:31,940 --> 00:22:33,860 S8: just wanted to get you guys thoughts on that. 418 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:35,460 S9: Like, what did you say to her? 419 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:37,740 S1: Dexter, what did you say to her? 420 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:41,580 S8: I mean, I told her that Paul teacher doesn't and 421 00:22:41,619 --> 00:22:44,500 S8: I mean the in the Gospels, it does teach that 422 00:22:44,540 --> 00:22:47,820 S8: the water baptism. He told the Jews to repent and 423 00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:51,740 S8: be baptized. But when Paul comes on the scene, Paul 424 00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:54,980 S8: never teaches water baptism, but he teaches baptism by the 425 00:22:54,980 --> 00:22:58,420 S8: Holy Spirit. And the thief on the cross was never baptized. 426 00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:03,060 S8: When Peter sent was went to the house of Cornelius, 427 00:23:03,580 --> 00:23:06,340 S8: they received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized. And 428 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:08,700 S8: it really astonished Peter and the Jews that were with 429 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:10,380 S8: him like, wait, this is out of order. 430 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:11,860 S9: See? Look at this, Dexter. 431 00:23:11,859 --> 00:23:14,620 S1: You were holding out on us. You knew. He knew 432 00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:17,300 S1: an awful lot about this before you asked the question. 433 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,660 S1: And but I'm so glad that you called because there's 434 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:23,419 S1: some confusion about this. Uh, Mike V, why don't we 435 00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:24,100 S1: start with you? 436 00:23:24,859 --> 00:23:29,140 S3: Yeah, I, I think that if, um, baptism were necessary 437 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:34,620 S3: for salvation. Then every time faith in Christ for salvation 438 00:23:34,619 --> 00:23:38,139 S3: is mentioned in in the New Testament, baptism ought to 439 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:41,620 S3: be mentioned as well, and it's not. That leads me 440 00:23:41,619 --> 00:23:44,980 S3: to think that it's not a condition of salvation. It 441 00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:47,460 S3: seems to me that baptism is something that we bring 442 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,820 S3: to the table. It's something we do. Whereas salvation by 443 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:54,820 S3: grace through faith is all God's, um, fruit in us. 444 00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:57,219 S3: And it just seems to me that you can't you 445 00:23:57,220 --> 00:23:59,580 S3: can't really have that. Now, I know that there's verses 446 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:02,700 S3: that a lot of people will say point in that direction, 447 00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:07,260 S3: but when you take into account the whole counsel of God, 448 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:11,740 S3: you cannot have a condition of salvation that's based upon 449 00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:13,940 S3: human works. It doesn't work. 450 00:24:14,619 --> 00:24:15,139 S1: Michael. 451 00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:19,180 S2: I agree. Uh, you know, we have the verses that 452 00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:21,580 S2: say repent and be baptized. I'm going to read one 453 00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:24,219 S2: of them. And I think it's a misunderstood verse. It 454 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:28,910 S2: says acts 238 Peter said to them, repent. And that's 455 00:24:28,910 --> 00:24:33,590 S2: a plural command. So it's like, repent, all of you. 456 00:24:34,030 --> 00:24:38,470 S2: And then and each of you be baptized. And there. 457 00:24:38,790 --> 00:24:43,590 S2: It's a singular command. That's kind of interesting because then, uh, 458 00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:47,710 S2: then it says, uh, in the name of Jesus for 459 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:50,910 S2: the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the 460 00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:55,550 S2: Holy Spirit. And there, uh, it's back to a plural. 461 00:24:55,710 --> 00:25:00,790 S2: Here's what it sounds like to me. Um, what, what 462 00:25:00,790 --> 00:25:03,709 S2: Peter was saying in that sermon is repent, all of you. 463 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:06,350 S2: And by the way, if any of you individually do, 464 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:10,790 S2: you should be baptized. And then, uh, if you repent, 465 00:25:10,790 --> 00:25:13,550 S2: it goes back to the plural, uh, for the forgiveness 466 00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:15,630 S2: of your sins. And you will receive the gift of 467 00:25:15,630 --> 00:25:19,270 S2: the Holy Spirit. It's almost like a parenthesis to say repent. 468 00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:23,710 S2: And then each individually of you, if you do be baptized, 469 00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:26,389 S2: that's what it's talking about. And, and I really believe 470 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:29,310 S2: when we look at the word repent and believe, there 471 00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:32,470 S2: are two sides of the same coin. One turns away 472 00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:37,110 S2: from what we used to trust. That's repentance and trust 473 00:25:37,109 --> 00:25:39,590 S2: or believe. That's turning to the one we do trust. 474 00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:41,590 S2: Jesus died for us. Rose again. 475 00:25:41,869 --> 00:25:43,990 S1: Dexter, I'm glad you were there to answer that question 476 00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:47,510 S1: about your daughter. I'm so excited about her and her 477 00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:51,070 S1: coming to faith there in college. And there's more questions 478 00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:51,750 S1: straight ahead. 479 00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:04,550 S10: This is Chris Fabry. 480 00:26:04,550 --> 00:26:06,910 S1: Live on Moody Radio. I am so glad the two 481 00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:10,070 S1: Michaels are with us today. The radio backyard fence and 482 00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:13,150 S1: I got some news coming up in November. The two 483 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:16,030 S1: Michaels are going to sit in for me on a Friday. 484 00:26:16,030 --> 00:26:19,150 S1: It's the Friday before the Moody summit opposing the new 485 00:26:19,150 --> 00:26:22,910 S1: Christian anti-Semitism. They are going to be here. So I'll 486 00:26:22,910 --> 00:26:25,640 S1: call in. I'm going to make trouble on that Friday, 487 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:31,320 S1: November the 6th, and we're already looking to our Christmas gathering. 488 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,200 S1: By the way, if you go to Chris Fabry live.org 489 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,480 S1: and you click on that Moody summit opposing the new 490 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,000 S1: Christian anti-Semitism, which is going to be in Chicago Saturday, 491 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,080 S1: November 7th, there's so many great speakers that are going 492 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,720 S1: to be there. There is a 20% off. You don't 493 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,840 S1: call a coupon a code. Radio 20. Right? Is that right, Michael? 494 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,320 S2: Radio 20. 20% off. The minimal registration fee is reduced 495 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,240 S2: even further. 496 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,320 S9: Even more. 497 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,960 S1: So you can find out more about that. 498 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,679 S2: There's more. 499 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,520 S1: But wait, there's more if you're in in the Midwest 500 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,920 S1: on that day and you want to show your support, 501 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,160 S1: you can be there. This will also be available because 502 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,040 S1: I had a friend who was asking, hey, I can't 503 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,280 S1: get there. Are they going to be videos? I think 504 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,880 S1: that you're going to videotape. 505 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,560 S2: Yes, they'll be recorded and then it'll be on afterwards. 506 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,119 S1: I'm going to record it. Okay. All right. So now 507 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,400 S1: we get back to the Bible and your questions. Joe 508 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,960 S1: is in Tampa, Florida. Hi, Joe. Go right ahead. 509 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,119 S11: Thank you for taking my call. Uh, so I apologize. 510 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,600 S11: I'm in the car. Uh, but, uh, my wife had 511 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,600 S11: asked me a question about, uh, the birth of Jesus 512 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,159 S11: and why there seems to be a controversy. Uh, in 513 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,760 S11: Luke versus one of the other gospels. Apparently, Herod is 514 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359 S11: one of the rulers mentioned. And then there's another one 515 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,240 S11: in Josephus puts it at a different time. And so 516 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,160 S11: she's like, man, that's like a ten year difference. Why? 517 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,480 S11: Why is there such a discrepancy in the history of 518 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,399 S11: the Bible like that? And I just wanted to see 519 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,440 S11: if you guys had had come across that Michael's. 520 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,840 S1: Have you ever heard that before, doctor V? 521 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,439 S3: Yeah. Yes. Um, hang on a second. Let me. 522 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,320 S1: The onion skin. 523 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,920 S3: Is good Bible here. So actually I don't think there 524 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,090 S3: is a discrepancy in in how all this works out. 525 00:28:23,890 --> 00:28:28,170 S3: Herod dies in. I think it's four BC. I should 526 00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:30,010 S3: have that in front of me and I can't remember 527 00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:30,490 S3: right now where. 528 00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:34,250 S2: I have it right here. This is the discrepancy. It's 529 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:40,050 S2: Luke two two. This first registration took place. My version 530 00:28:40,050 --> 00:28:46,250 S2: says while Quirinius was governing Syria. And that doesn't seem 531 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:51,690 S2: to make sense. I forget the exact year. Uh, but the, 532 00:28:52,650 --> 00:28:59,810 S2: the actual, um, the actual meaning. And I think it's, uh, 533 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:08,210 S2: John 1518 where the word while is translated before. And 534 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:16,810 S2: so this first registration took place before Quirinius was governing Syria. And, uh, that's, 535 00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:21,090 S2: that resolves the difficulty by translating it before. And the 536 00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:26,170 S2: very same usage of the word is found in in 537 00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:30,490 S2: John 1518. It's used as before there in John 1518. 538 00:29:30,490 --> 00:29:33,330 S2: So that's another. What is the discrepancy then? Is it 539 00:29:33,370 --> 00:29:36,130 S2: because it's about. It's about. I'm not sure of the year. 540 00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:38,130 S2: I don't remember off the top of my head, but 541 00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:43,970 S2: Quirinius was ruling was governing Syria about ten years after 542 00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:46,650 S2: the four BC date. 543 00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:49,890 S1: Okay. Mike V so you're saying that's not really a discrepancy. 544 00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:55,250 S3: Right? Um, what Michael's referring to is, is eight BC, 545 00:29:55,290 --> 00:29:58,290 S3: there was probably a census that was ordered for the 546 00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:00,810 S3: sake of taxation. It might have taken a couple of 547 00:30:00,810 --> 00:30:04,650 S3: years for it to be executed. Um, but Herod dies 548 00:30:04,650 --> 00:30:10,130 S3: in four BC. I think it's between March and April. And, um, 549 00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:13,210 S3: and that fits with Jesus's age at the time he 550 00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:16,570 S3: starts his ministry. He was about 30 years of age. 551 00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:20,060 S3: And so I don't really understand why there might be 552 00:30:20,060 --> 00:30:22,660 S3: a discrepancy here, because there really isn't one. All the 553 00:30:22,660 --> 00:30:25,820 S3: history works out pretty well. And there is another Herod 554 00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:30,940 S3: mentioned in chapter three of Luke, verse one, but that's 555 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:33,700 S3: Herod Antipas, that's the son of Herod the Great. So 556 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:35,060 S3: I don't know if that's part of the confusion. 557 00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:38,780 S2: It's the Quirinius governor. That's the alleged issue. And can 558 00:30:38,780 --> 00:30:40,500 S2: I just make a suggestion of a book that I 559 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:42,980 S2: go back to? It's a little bitty book. It's thin, 560 00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:47,380 S2: but it's crammed with information. It's one of the best books. 561 00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:51,820 S2: I heard about it 50 years ago, and it's still great. Uh, 562 00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:57,660 S2: and it's Harold Hohner's Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ. 563 00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:00,180 S2: It's a series of articles that he did that they 564 00:31:00,180 --> 00:31:03,180 S2: put into a book. It's a little book, and it 565 00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:06,460 S2: deals with issues of the date of of Messiah's birth, 566 00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:10,060 S2: the date of the crucifixion, all those issues that people 567 00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:15,140 S2: have questions about. It's just great. And I go back 568 00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:19,140 S2: to it over and over and Doctor Hohner, who was 569 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:22,660 S2: just a great professor. He was my thesis mentor for 570 00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:26,460 S2: my master's thesis. He was the best chronologist, I think, 571 00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:30,740 S2: in the world in terms of Bible chronology. He was phenomenal. 572 00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:34,460 S2: And that book, Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ 573 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:36,940 S2: is one I think everyone should have. It's still in print. 574 00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:39,580 S2: It's still great. It's just a wonderful book. 575 00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:41,980 S1: So now, Joe, you know what? To get your wife 576 00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:43,540 S1: for Christmas. What do you think of that? 577 00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:47,219 S12: Exactly. I like that. I like that, thank you for that. 578 00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:50,140 S1: God bless you, friend. And I see Tricia writing something down. 579 00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:52,620 S1: I bet she's going to post that on Facebook. Or 580 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:57,420 S1: Harold Hoehner. Is it HOEHNER? Yeah. Okay. 581 00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:59,420 S2: We used to call. He was such a hard teacher, 582 00:31:59,420 --> 00:32:02,300 S2: and he wrote a book once called Herod Antipas On 583 00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:06,340 S2: for his second PhD. That was his dissertation? No, it 584 00:32:06,340 --> 00:32:09,140 S2: was the history of Herod Antipas, a biography. And it 585 00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:12,420 S2: was his second PhD. Second PhD. But he was so tough. 586 00:32:12,420 --> 00:32:13,860 S2: We called him Herod Hoehner. 587 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:20,020 S1: I could just see you. Never to his face, though, right? 588 00:32:20,060 --> 00:32:20,940 S2: Sometimes. 589 00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:25,660 S1: Yeah. Okay. Chronological aspects of the life of Christ. 590 00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:26,100 S3: Life of. 591 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,380 S1: Christ. Okay. Life of Christ. And Tricia will put that up. 592 00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:31,739 S1: If you go to our Facebook page, uh, make a 593 00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:34,660 S1: snarky comment about the picture and tell me who I 594 00:32:34,660 --> 00:32:37,260 S1: remind you of in the picture. I think I look 595 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,900 S1: like Goliath in that picture. Just go to Chris Fabry live.org. 596 00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:44,660 S1: Click the Facebook link. Robin says, this is my favorite 597 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:48,940 S1: hour on the planet. Have a great show guys. Could 598 00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:54,219 S1: AI be the Antichrist? And I would say, well, I mean, 599 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:59,740 S1: you could could have aspects of anti-Christian, but the Antichrist 600 00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:03,140 S1: will be a real human being, a real person. An 601 00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:04,620 S1: AI is not a real person. 602 00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:05,260 S2: Right? 603 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:07,260 S1: Do you agree with that? Both of you. 604 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,020 S2: It may reflect the spirit of Antichrist. 605 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:10,900 S1: And the. 606 00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:14,580 S3: Age and the. And the Antichrist. He'll probably use AI, 607 00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:17,830 S3: but it's it's he's a person. He gets thrown into 608 00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:19,790 S3: the lake of fire and AI is not likely to 609 00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:20,590 S3: have that happen. 610 00:33:20,590 --> 00:33:26,190 S1: So yeah, 50 most important Bible questions written by doctor probably. 611 00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:29,430 S1: I think this one is in that book. A question 612 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:33,150 S1: from Sue in New Hampshire. Hey Sue, how you doing today? 613 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:35,469 S13: Well, I'm doing good. How are you. 614 00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:38,630 S1: Doing? Great. Glad you called. What's your question? 615 00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:42,870 S13: My question is, how did Cain get a wife? 616 00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:47,790 S1: Bingo. That's it. That's the question. That's all the question 617 00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:50,390 S1: you need right there. How did Cain get a wife? 618 00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:56,470 S2: Yeah, he he went to yenta, the matchmaker, and. He said, 619 00:33:56,470 --> 00:34:00,190 S2: I'd like someone that's as rebellious as I am. And no, 620 00:34:00,190 --> 00:34:05,110 S2: that's not how it happened. Uh, here's it talks about 621 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:09,629 S2: how Adam and Eve had children. And I do believe, 622 00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:11,870 S2: and I think that's part of the reason why people 623 00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:18,870 S2: lived so long in the. Pre-flood days. Uh, remember how 624 00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:22,549 S2: old they lived, the Methuselah. 970 years, I think, or 625 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:26,669 S2: something like that. And, uh, and so they lived so 626 00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:31,029 S2: long that they had many other children. And I think 627 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:35,190 S2: that's where he. Now, I understand that incest would be wrong. 628 00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:38,590 S2: But if you're the very first people, there's no other choice. Uh, 629 00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:41,109 S2: that's who he would have married one of his sisters 630 00:34:41,110 --> 00:34:44,469 S2: and likely someone that was, you know, somewhat younger than 631 00:34:44,469 --> 00:34:46,790 S2: him that he didn't grow up with. Uh, so when 632 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:50,029 S2: he goes off and wanders the earth, he takes a 633 00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:53,430 S2: wife from his family. And you remember he also says 634 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:58,629 S2: that everyone that sees me that's will want to kill me. Well, 635 00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:01,670 S2: who's going to kill him? Obviously, his siblings, who are 636 00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:04,950 S2: angry at him for what he did to their brother. 637 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:09,069 S2: And so that also it's explained by Adam and Eve 638 00:35:09,110 --> 00:35:10,230 S2: having other children. 639 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:12,920 S1: Michael V agree? 640 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960 S3: Nothing to add. Nothing to add. That's it. 641 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,800 S1: Sue, what do you think of that answer? 642 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,000 S13: I totally believe that because, I mean, I just wondered before, 643 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,920 S13: you know, it's like, where did she come from? But 644 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,359 S13: that just makes perfect sense because they live so long, 645 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,799 S13: like you said. And, and the genetic thing was just 646 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,160 S13: different then than it is nowadays. So, you. 647 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,319 S2: Know. 648 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,200 S13: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 649 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120 S1: So okay, so, so then be fruitful and multiply is 650 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,760 S1: what God tells them. Um, is that, is there any 651 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,680 S1: difference in that for us today than it was for 652 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,399 S1: Adam and Eve? In other words, the very thing you're 653 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,120 S1: talking about populate the earth to Adam and Eve, and 654 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,799 S1: then everybody else that comes down the line. Is that 655 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,680 S1: different than us today? We need to populate the earth. 656 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,640 S2: I'm going to say Mike may differ with me, but 657 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,200 S2: that that command to populate the earth, be fruitful and multiply, uh, 658 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,160 S2: is Used two other times. It's used in Genesis nine 659 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,759 S2: seven after the flood, where Noah is told to be 660 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,760 S2: fruitful and multiply, which makes sense to repopulate the earth. 661 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,080 S2: And then also, it's when Jacob is told in Genesis 662 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,719 S2: 3511 that he's to be fruitful and multiply. That's to 663 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,880 S2: have 12 sons and populate Israel because, you know, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. 664 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,600 S2: And then the promise expands to the 12 tribes. And 665 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,280 S2: so those 12 sons, that's his being fruitful and multiply. 666 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,760 S2: So I think there's a specific purpose for that command. 667 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,040 S2: It doesn't mean that everyone has to be fruitful and multiply. 668 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,000 S2: It's not a universal command, in my opinion. It's no different. 669 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,960 S2: You know, people say, well, we're commanded to. And I said, well, 670 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,879 S2: Noah was commanded to build a boat. Are you going 671 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,560 S2: to go build a boat? That's not necessarily. 672 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,400 S1: A canoe, maybe. 673 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,880 S2: But I think that the concept of being generally. Wouldn't 674 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,450 S2: you agree with this that the purpose of marriage includes 675 00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:12,930 S2: having children and repopulating the earth. 676 00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:13,930 S1: Mike. Mike V. 677 00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:17,050 S3: Of course. Of course. That's exactly right. Yeah. 678 00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:23,490 S1: Um, our guest yesterday has four children, five and under. 679 00:37:23,969 --> 00:37:27,370 S1: And I was I was remarking about this, that she's 680 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:30,090 S1: got a very, very busy life. And then I remember 681 00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:33,690 S1: that our first child was born in 1985, and our 682 00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:37,490 S1: fourth child was born in 19. Is it either 90 683 00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:40,569 S1: or 91? It's like I'm looking at a mirror. Oh, wow. 684 00:37:40,610 --> 00:37:42,489 S1: You know, I look in the mirror. We had all 685 00:37:42,489 --> 00:37:44,730 S1: these little kids and then. Then some more. 686 00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:47,529 S2: Well, you and Andrea were fruitful and multiply, didn't you? 687 00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:50,410 S1: Well, but I never thought of the of that. You 688 00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:54,970 S1: know that. No. Uh, either Noah or Adam as. Okay. 689 00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:57,209 S1: We're just going to do what? What God told them 690 00:37:57,210 --> 00:38:00,650 S1: to do, though in the Psalms, you see that children 691 00:38:00,650 --> 00:38:03,050 S1: are a blessing and a man who has a quiver 692 00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:05,770 S1: full of them, you know, is blessed. So there is 693 00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:08,850 S1: I don't want to put down the fruitful and multiply 694 00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:12,890 S1: and saying, I don't apply to me necessarily. When the 695 00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:16,370 S1: quiver full is really important. So we'll come back. We've 696 00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:20,250 S1: got one final segment with the two Michaels, Doctor Michael Rudnick, 697 00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:23,650 S1: Doctor Michael Van Landingham. If you go to Chris Fabry live.org, 698 00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:26,770 S1: scroll down, you will see or go on the landing 699 00:38:26,770 --> 00:38:29,610 S1: page and you'll see all kinds of great resources. The 700 00:38:29,610 --> 00:38:34,130 S1: moody Bible commentary, how should Christians think about Israel and more? 701 00:38:34,610 --> 00:38:45,210 S1: We'll talk more with them straight ahead. The two Michaels 702 00:38:45,210 --> 00:38:47,930 S1: are with us today at the Radio Backyard Fence. I 703 00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:51,050 S1: asked them a question about something written in their Bible 704 00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:55,450 S1: or something that they have in their Bible that really 705 00:38:55,450 --> 00:38:57,489 S1: touches them every time they see it. We're going to 706 00:38:57,489 --> 00:39:00,650 S1: talk about that tomorrow here at the Radio Backyard Fence. 707 00:39:00,890 --> 00:39:04,170 S1: Chuck Swindoll is going to be with us on Monday. 708 00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:08,529 S1: We've got The Screwtape Letters, the Book club next Wednesday. Oh, 709 00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:11,049 S1: there's so much here at the back fence. Don't you 710 00:39:11,090 --> 00:39:13,810 S1: dare miss a day, miss an hour. 711 00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:17,330 S2: Is that going to be a fresh interview? Yeah, yeah. With. 712 00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:20,690 S1: He's 92. He's 92. And I can show you the 713 00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:23,370 S1: the book. His new book is awakened by Grace. What 714 00:39:23,410 --> 00:39:24,170 S1: a great title. 715 00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:24,810 S2: Yeah. 716 00:39:24,969 --> 00:39:27,850 S1: And it is fantastic. The best thing about this book 717 00:39:27,850 --> 00:39:31,650 S1: is that as he gets older and his eyesight is failing, 718 00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:34,890 S1: he he talks about that. And when he has a fall, 719 00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:36,690 S1: he says, this is what happened to me. And I 720 00:39:36,690 --> 00:39:39,049 S1: knew that I couldn't do this. And a lot of 721 00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:42,649 S1: people want to protect their image and say, you know, 722 00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:45,570 S1: that's not going to tell anything about that. But he 723 00:39:45,610 --> 00:39:48,690 S1: he tells everything. He's just he's just open and honest. 724 00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:52,890 S2: He's I've been seeing reels of him being interviewed recently 725 00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:57,049 S2: and I think he's got even his voice is not 726 00:39:57,050 --> 00:40:00,330 S2: as strong, but his. What he says is so powerful. 727 00:40:00,610 --> 00:40:03,569 S1: And the laugh is still there. Yeah, that laugh is. 728 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:05,540 S2: I can't wait to hear that. That's wonderful. 729 00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:09,860 S1: That's coming up on Monday. Michael is in Florida. Michael, 730 00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:12,460 S1: what's your question? Now it's the three Michaels. Look at this. 731 00:40:12,460 --> 00:40:13,300 S1: Go ahead Michael. 732 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,460 S14: How are you guys doing? Uh, pleasure to meet you, Michael. Michael. 733 00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:25,460 S14: So I, um, I'm curious as to what revelation 513 734 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,419 S14: is referencing. Um, I'm going to read, I read out 735 00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:33,020 S14: the complete Jewish Bible, so I'm not sure what other 736 00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:36,859 S14: transcripts say, but it says, I heard every creature in 737 00:40:36,860 --> 00:40:40,660 S14: heaven on earth, under the earth and on the sea. Yes, 738 00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:43,340 S14: everything in them saying to the one sitting on the 739 00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:45,899 S14: throne and to the Lamb belong praise, honor, glory and 740 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:50,540 S14: power forever and ever. Um, my question is though, because 741 00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:54,660 S14: in first Corinthians 123, it tells us, therefore, I want 742 00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:56,180 S14: to make it clear to you that no one is 743 00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:58,580 S14: speaking by the Spirit of God. Ever says, Yeshua is 744 00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:01,380 S14: cursed and no one can ever say Yeshua is Lord 745 00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:06,020 S14: except by the kodesh, which is the Holy Spirit. So 746 00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:10,020 S14: just what exactly does that mean in revelation 513? I've 747 00:41:10,020 --> 00:41:12,940 S14: never really heard anyone ever try to touch base on it. 748 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:16,140 S2: Okay. It seems to me I'm going to jump in 749 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:21,020 S2: here and Michael, correct me, but, uh, there's something in 750 00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:24,100 S2: the Bible, uh, a figure of speech called a merism. 751 00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:28,220 S2: And a merism means like from the beginning to the end, 752 00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:30,700 S2: or the heavens and the earth or. 753 00:41:30,739 --> 00:41:31,420 S3: Day and night. 754 00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:34,500 S2: Day and night. And that's a figure of speech. And 755 00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:38,820 S2: so when it's saying everything in heaven, on earth, under 756 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:44,380 S2: the earth, on the sea, it's just saying literally everything 757 00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:50,020 S2: will praise him. That's that that it's I don't think 758 00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:54,459 S2: there's literally moles that will praise him. Uh, you know. 759 00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:57,860 S1: Aren't you going to be surprised if there are? Yeah. Well. 760 00:41:58,180 --> 00:42:00,420 S2: Probably Narnian moles will, but yeah. 761 00:42:00,460 --> 00:42:00,700 S12: Uh. 762 00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:03,430 S2: But what do you think, Michael? 763 00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:07,230 S3: Oh, I agree. I wouldn't have called this a merism. 764 00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:09,230 S3: It could be. Yeah. But I certainly would have called 765 00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:12,870 S3: it a hyperbole. Yeah. Hyperbole is are, you know, exaggeration 766 00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:16,390 S3: to make a point. I think the point of John 767 00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:22,270 S3: writing this is to say that everybody, everything everywhere is 768 00:42:22,270 --> 00:42:25,710 S3: going to be praising Jesus. Now, it was kind of weird. 769 00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:28,989 S3: Two days ago, I ran over in my, um, in 770 00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:33,070 S3: my driveway, a rather large praying mantis. 771 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:33,790 S1: Ooh. 772 00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:38,029 S3: And I don't think praying mantises are going to be 773 00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:43,950 S3: praising Jesus. You know, I just don't think that's hyperbole. Everybody, 774 00:42:43,989 --> 00:42:46,750 S3: everything everywhere is going to be praising him. 775 00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:47,830 S1: That's good enough for me. 776 00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:50,670 S2: What kind of figure of speech? That's just. It's a 777 00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:51,830 S2: figure of speech there. 778 00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:53,190 S3: Yeah. Yeah. 779 00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:55,750 S1: I saw a praying mantis the other day, I thought. 780 00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:57,350 S1: I used to think they were ugly. And I thought, 781 00:42:57,350 --> 00:43:01,029 S1: what a beautiful insect. I think it's an insect. What 782 00:43:01,070 --> 00:43:05,830 S1: a beautiful insect and creativity that put that together. But 783 00:43:05,830 --> 00:43:10,670 S1: let me add this. I think that this in revelation 513, 784 00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:14,230 S1: I heard every creature in heaven on earth, under the earth, 785 00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:17,149 S1: on the sea, everything in them say blessing and honor 786 00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:21,710 S1: and glory and dominion. I think this parallels Psalm 150 787 00:43:22,070 --> 00:43:27,030 S1: which ends. Let everything that has breath praise the Lord. Mhm. 788 00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:29,589 S1: And the bumper sticker that I'm going to make and 789 00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:32,590 S1: send to every listener is God breath. Praise the Lord. 790 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:36,430 S1: That's that's my bumper sticker. You got breath? Praise the Lord. So, Michael, 791 00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:37,670 S1: what do you think about that? 792 00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:40,710 S2: I agree, that's 100% what it's saying. And, and I. 793 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:41,790 S1: Think the other mic I'm talking. 794 00:43:41,830 --> 00:43:44,470 S2: About, well, here's what I want to say. I have 795 00:43:44,469 --> 00:43:48,310 S2: I have a wonderful dog named Frodo and he breathes, 796 00:43:48,310 --> 00:43:51,350 S2: but he, he all he knows is that I give 797 00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:53,630 S2: him treats. He doesn't know to praise the Lord. 798 00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:56,430 S1: All right, Michael in Florida, what do you say? 799 00:43:57,750 --> 00:44:02,200 S14: Yeah, I I'm I'm still just as baffled about it. That's. 800 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,239 S14: That's why I was asking. But just because of the 801 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,759 S14: way the first Corinthians Scripture says so. But yeah, that 802 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,640 S14: that answers it for the most part, I think. 803 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,040 S1: Good. Well, thank you for calling and, and joining in today. I, 804 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,160 S1: I go back to the, the, the blue whale. How 805 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,759 S1: does the blue whale has a flamingo? Praise God. How 806 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,480 S1: does all the animal kingdom they praise. How does how 807 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,839 S1: does a rainbow praise God? A rainbow doesn't speak. It 808 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,160 S1: just is itself. It shows its colors. It is, it is. 809 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,160 S1: It's self-evident. The mountains and the valleys and the rivers 810 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,120 S1: and everything give praise to God because he's the one 811 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,280 S1: who created them. So, Michael, which Michael wants to respond 812 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,400 S1: to that and then we'll end. 813 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,880 S3: Well, I, I mean, I think that's right. I think 814 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,080 S3: that's yeah, I think that's right. I have nothing to 815 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,400 S3: add to that either, Chris. 816 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,000 S2: You know, it's it's what it's saying is that every being, 817 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,879 S2: every bit of creation that reflects what God wants it 818 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,120 S2: to be when it does it, it's bringing glory to God. 819 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,920 S1: Yes. 820 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:09,720 S2: That's it. 821 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,480 S1: Well, and then that goes. It comes back to us. 822 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,440 S1: It's like, don't try to be a cheap imitation of 823 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,680 S1: somebody else, doctor. Don't try to be Donald Cole. Thank you, 824 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,640 S1: Mike V. Don't try to be Chuck Swindoll. You. You 825 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,160 S1: are a unique creation of God. You be who he 826 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,879 S1: created you to be and allow him to work in 827 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,080 S1: you and through you and see what will happen so 828 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,439 S1: that you give praise to him. I, I find great 829 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,439 S1: comfort in that. Uh, to not compare with other people. 830 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,520 S1: And so here's how I'm going to program today. November 7th, 831 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,200 S1: the Moody Summit opposing the new Christian anti-Semitism. You find 832 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,840 S1: information about that@chris.org. The featured resources today, the Moody Bible commentary. 833 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,650 S1: How should Christians think about Israel? 50 most important Bible questions. 834 00:45:58,930 --> 00:46:02,930 S1: Somewhere we've got Harold Horner's chronological aspects of the Life 835 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:06,690 S1: of Christ under the Christmas tree for you this year. 836 00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:09,850 S1: If you've got breath, praise the Lord and be listening 837 00:46:09,850 --> 00:46:13,610 S1: for the two Michaels. They're coming up. It's the 22nd 838 00:46:13,610 --> 00:46:17,410 S1: of October. They're coming up November the 6th, and I'm 839 00:46:17,410 --> 00:46:18,930 S1: not going to be here. So I want you to 840 00:46:18,969 --> 00:46:21,730 S1: call in and give them a lot of problems on 841 00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:25,250 S1: the radio and Michael's. Thank you for doing this. 842 00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:27,049 S2: Thanks for letting us tomorrow. 843 00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:30,850 S1: Michael Redlick is going to be a recording a program 844 00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:33,370 S1: during Founders Week. Oh, that's going to be excellent. 845 00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:35,330 S2: Michael, if you're at Founders Week, join us for an 846 00:46:35,330 --> 00:46:37,530 S2: open line live pre-recording. 847 00:46:38,290 --> 00:46:40,370 S1: The two Michaels have been with us today on Chris 848 00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:43,689 S1: Fabry Live. And I thank you. Answer that question on 849 00:46:43,690 --> 00:46:46,330 S1: tomorrow's program. Come on back with us. Chris Fabry Live 850 00:46:46,330 --> 00:46:49,250 S1: is a production of Moody Radio, a Ministry of Moody 851 00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:50,570 S1: Bible Institute.