WEBVTT - Hour 2: Gleaning Wisdom from the Bible 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.959 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.880 Line with Doctor Michael Moody Radio's Bible Study Across America. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.640 This is where we talk about your questions about the Bible, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:25.200 God and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Melnick, 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.960 and this is my last week as academic dean and 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.120 professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.600 On Tuesday, I'm going to become emeritus dean and Jewish 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.279 studies professor. Uh, but I'll still be here. Those of 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.760 you who heard about that change that's coming. People sent 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.720 in all these notes saying, are you going to stay 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.320 on open line? 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As you study the Bible again, call (888) 644-7122 0:03:49.090 --> 0:03:53.050 or go to Open Line radio.org. And we really do 0:03:53.050 --> 0:04:00.340 appreciate your end of year gift, we're going to talk to, uh, Rob. 0:04:00.740 --> 0:04:03.780 I think I'm saying this right in Chicago listening on WNBA. 0:04:03.820 --> 0:04:06.140 Welcome to Open Line, Ricky. Am I saying your name right? 0:04:06.540 --> 0:04:09.860 Yes, you absolutely are. Thank you for taking my call. 0:04:10.500 --> 0:04:12.300 Sure. How can I help you? 0:04:12.340 --> 0:04:16.580 Oh, okay. So I have a friend who is not 0:04:16.580 --> 0:04:22.820 quite a believer, but is questioning about the 144,000, and 0:04:22.820 --> 0:04:25.860 I don't know, I'm an avid Bible reader, but I 0:04:25.860 --> 0:04:29.420 just don't know. I do understand it has something to 0:04:29.420 --> 0:04:33.339 do with the Great Tribulation and who will go to heaven. 0:04:33.339 --> 0:04:40.180 She thinks only 140,000 are going. Could you just sort 0:04:40.180 --> 0:04:42.700 of give me just a little something on that? 0:04:42.700 --> 0:04:42.979 Sure. 0:04:43.779 --> 0:04:48.820 I'll help you understand about the 144,000. Okay. Well, uh, 0:04:49.140 --> 0:04:56.660 that's the 144,000 are described in revelation seven. And when 0:04:56.660 --> 0:05:01.180 this takes place, when there will be these 144,000, it 0:05:01.180 --> 0:05:04.180 will be in a future time. In the Bible that's 0:05:04.180 --> 0:05:08.060 called the tribulation. It's also called the the time of 0:05:08.060 --> 0:05:09.620 Jacob's trouble. 0:05:10.380 --> 0:05:10.779 Okay. 0:05:11.660 --> 0:05:15.380 And it's going to be a time. It's also the 0:05:15.380 --> 0:05:19.260 70th week of Daniel from Daniel chapter nine. It's a 0:05:19.260 --> 0:05:23.620 week of years, a seven year period. And during that 0:05:23.620 --> 0:05:31.100 seven year period, uh. Israel is facing a great deal 0:05:31.100 --> 0:05:37.700 of oppression. There will be a false false messiah, a 0:05:37.740 --> 0:05:41.219 political ruler. By that. We don't know his name, but 0:05:41.700 --> 0:05:44.779 the Bible calls him. The beast calls him the Antichrist. 0:05:44.820 --> 0:05:49.020 There's different names the the man of sin and Second 0:05:49.020 --> 0:05:52.820 Thessalonians chapter two. Uh, but there's all these different names 0:05:52.820 --> 0:05:55.940 for him. But that's who will be involved. And during 0:05:55.940 --> 0:05:58.700 that time it will be, you know, we often think 0:05:58.700 --> 0:06:00.380 of it as being the worst time on earth, but 0:06:00.380 --> 0:06:04.620 it will also be the time of greatest revival. And 0:06:05.660 --> 0:06:08.740 what it says in revelation seven is that God is 0:06:08.740 --> 0:06:13.980 going to seal or set apart servants. Uh, and they 0:06:13.980 --> 0:06:17.780 there will be 144,000 of them, all from the 12 0:06:17.820 --> 0:06:22.140 tribes of Israel, 12,000 from each tribe. And that makes 144,000. 0:06:22.420 --> 0:06:26.580 And they are sealed or set apart, identified as belonging 0:06:26.620 --> 0:06:29.420 to the Lord. There are Jewish people who will come 0:06:29.420 --> 0:06:32.940 to know the Lord during the tribulation period, and then 0:06:32.980 --> 0:06:35.300 it's not really clear what they will do. It doesn't 0:06:35.300 --> 0:06:39.380 state it explicitly, but the very next paragraph talks about 0:06:39.380 --> 0:06:41.940 how that there's going to be multitudes from every nation, 0:06:41.940 --> 0:06:44.380 tribe and people and language who are going to be 0:06:44.380 --> 0:06:50.950 worshiping the king. So it appears that this 144,000 Jewish people, 0:06:50.950 --> 0:06:55.190 they're going to be like 144,000 Jewish. Billy Graham's proclaiming 0:06:55.190 --> 0:06:59.270 the gospel in that tribulation period. So that many, many 0:06:59.270 --> 0:07:01.830 people from every nation will come to know the Lord. 0:07:01.990 --> 0:07:04.270 That's who the 144,000 are. 0:07:04.910 --> 0:07:06.469 Oh. Thank you. Does that help? 0:07:07.190 --> 0:07:12.350 Yes, absolutely. It does not mean that only 144,000. 0:07:12.390 --> 0:07:16.590 Know, in fact, that it's it's the 144,000 that makes 0:07:16.590 --> 0:07:19.270 it possible that God's going to use to reach the 0:07:19.270 --> 0:07:21.510 nations with the good news of Jesus? 0:07:21.550 --> 0:07:26.110 Yes. Oh, thank you so much. I will, that helps 0:07:26.110 --> 0:07:28.750 me and I can hopefully help her. So thank. 0:07:28.750 --> 0:07:29.390 You. Great. 0:07:29.590 --> 0:07:33.270 Thank you. Rishi. I appreciate your call. Okay. You have 0:07:33.270 --> 0:07:36.350 a good day. Uh, we're going to talk to O'Farrill. 0:07:36.510 --> 0:07:40.750 Listening in Miami, Miami, Florida and W.r.m. Welcome to Open Line. O'Farrill. 0:07:40.830 --> 0:07:42.430 Is that your first name? O'Farrill. 0:07:43.390 --> 0:07:47.270 Yes. And I can tell you a quick story. I 0:07:47.310 --> 0:07:50.710 love Israel. Um, my name is Irish. I was in 0:07:50.710 --> 0:07:52.950 the Air Force and when I went to my room, 0:07:52.950 --> 0:07:55.030 they said, you're in the wrong room. And I said, no, 0:07:55.070 --> 0:07:57.630 they sent me here. So we're expecting some Irish guy 0:07:57.670 --> 0:08:01.030 named O'Farrell. So I'm African American, so the Lord purposely 0:08:01.030 --> 0:08:04.550 chose me because I just love people all over. But 0:08:05.470 --> 0:08:08.750 a long time. Um, my question is, I was I 0:08:08.790 --> 0:08:11.270 had some Jewish guys. I don't know if I'm. And 0:08:11.270 --> 0:08:14.870 they were doing some construction on my home, but they 0:08:14.910 --> 0:08:18.830 were astonished when they seen the menorah in my windowsill. 0:08:18.830 --> 0:08:22.350 And I said, um, I said, I've come to understand 0:08:22.350 --> 0:08:25.230 that we're saved by grace, but there's some things that 0:08:25.230 --> 0:08:28.390 we're required. Like we keep the commandments because Christ said, 0:08:28.390 --> 0:08:30.390 if you love me. And then I heard you say 0:08:30.430 --> 0:08:34.830 last week that we don't have to keep Sabbath. And 0:08:34.830 --> 0:08:37.470 yet when I had an encounter with a rabbi and 0:08:37.630 --> 0:08:39.230 when he introduced me to some things and he really 0:08:39.230 --> 0:08:41.870 opened up my eyes, he said, when you read the 0:08:41.870 --> 0:08:44.470 New Testament, it only speaks of the Sabbath. So where 0:08:44.990 --> 0:08:48.520 does it say that it's okay? Because my understanding through 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.640 teaching is that it was the Roman government that changed 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.079 the day and everything. So as I'm sharing with them, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.920 I'm like, wow, I'm trying to identify. But then I'm saying, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:02.800 do we have okay, so so it's about okay. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.920 Let me see if I can if I can help you. O'Farrell. Um, 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.280 there's nothing wrong with keeping the Sabbath if that's what 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:18.679 you want to do. However, there isn't, uh, an obligation to, uh, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:28.080 to keep the Sabbath in, uh, in Colossians. Chapter two, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.640 verse 16, it says, therefore, don't let anyone judge you 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.440 in regard to food and drink or in the matter 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:41.080 of a festival, or a new moon or a Sabbath day. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.600 These are a shadow of what was to come. But 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:52.319 the substance is the Messiah. So what Paul is telling 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.760 the Colossians, who weren't Jewish, they were Gentile believers in 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.320 Jesus that don't let anyone put pressure on you to 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.600 keep the festivals or judge you if you don't keep 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.000 the new moon or the Sabbath day, which are Jewish, uh, 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.200 expressions of of faith. And and so that's what I 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.720 was saying, but I, I want to say on the 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.120 one hand, you don't have to keep Saturday Sabbath the way, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.079 for example, Judaism teaches it. However, I think there's a 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.600 principle in the law of Moses that we need to 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:33.160 have a day for rest, physical rest, and spiritual renovation. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:37.440 Spiritual renewal. We need we need that kind of day. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.640 Every one of us does. And in Romans 14, it says, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.240 one man honors one day above another. Another one views 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.689 them all alike. Let each man be convinced in his 0:10:47.690 --> 0:10:53.010 own mind. And so it seems to me that the 0:10:53.010 --> 0:10:55.850 Bible is clear. You don't have to keep the Sabbath 0:10:55.890 --> 0:10:59.850 as traditionally kept in Judaism. On the other hand, you 0:10:59.850 --> 0:11:04.089 have to pick a day for spiritual rest, physical rest, 0:11:04.090 --> 0:11:09.410 and spiritual renewal. That's what, uh, establishing a Sabbath. That's 0:11:09.410 --> 0:11:14.490 the principle taught, uh, in Exodus 20 and Exodus uh, 0:11:14.490 --> 0:11:17.610 31 about the Sabbath, that the principle is we need 0:11:17.610 --> 0:11:20.970 a day for rest and renewal. And I hope that helps. 0:11:20.970 --> 0:11:23.449 We're going to take a break here. And when we do, 0:11:23.450 --> 0:11:26.450 when we come back, we'll take more of your calls. Uh, 0:11:26.490 --> 0:11:29.810 you're listening to Open Line. And the great questions that 0:11:29.809 --> 0:11:32.810 our callers have about how to study the Bible, how 0:11:32.809 --> 0:11:36.650 to obey the Bible, how to live out the faith, uh, 0:11:36.650 --> 0:11:39.250 how to understand God. That's what we're talking about right 0:11:39.250 --> 0:11:41.610 here on Open Line. We'll be right back in just 0:11:41.610 --> 0:12:01.330 a moment, so stay with us. Welcome back to Open Line. 0:12:01.330 --> 0:12:06.089 So glad to be with you today. Uh, we're talking 0:12:06.090 --> 0:12:09.689 about your questions about the Bible, God and the spiritual life. 0:12:09.730 --> 0:12:15.250 There's a couple of lines open now. You can call (877) 548-3675. 0:12:15.250 --> 0:12:17.050 We'll try and get to all your calls in just 0:12:17.050 --> 0:12:20.850 a moment. Uh, I do want to mention that I 0:12:20.890 --> 0:12:23.689 appreciate working with this team. It's, as I said, we're 0:12:23.730 --> 0:12:25.770 at the end of the fiscal year, and it gives 0:12:25.770 --> 0:12:27.850 me a great time. And our team has expanded a 0:12:27.850 --> 0:12:30.570 little bit. I've gotten to know to hear. I've gotten 0:12:30.570 --> 0:12:36.290 to know Lisa. I appreciate Omar becoming our engineer and 0:12:36.290 --> 0:12:39.970 doing such a great job with it. And, uh, also Tricia, 0:12:39.970 --> 0:12:42.530 who just always tells me what to do. Keeps me 0:12:42.530 --> 0:12:45.730 in line. Really appreciate her. What a great team and 0:12:45.730 --> 0:12:48.770 I so appreciate another part of the team. Or is 0:12:48.770 --> 0:12:51.370 everyone that listens to Open line and calls up and 0:12:51.370 --> 0:12:53.929 asks your questions? That's part of the program and and 0:12:53.929 --> 0:12:56.930 you're part of the team. And I especially appreciate the 0:12:56.929 --> 0:13:00.530 people who have become kitchen table partners, people who give 0:13:00.530 --> 0:13:03.010 monthly so that we can be on the air weekly, 0:13:03.010 --> 0:13:07.490 ministering and answering questions of people who really have great 0:13:07.490 --> 0:13:12.610 questions about the Bible. And so, uh, and someone Tricia 0:13:12.650 --> 0:13:16.650 actually just reminded me that if you become a kitchen 0:13:16.650 --> 0:13:19.370 table partner, we not only send you a digital Bible study, 0:13:19.410 --> 0:13:23.010 an audio Bible study in your email every other week, uh, 0:13:23.450 --> 0:13:28.650 Bible study moment. But besides that, you get a really 0:13:28.650 --> 0:13:31.569 cool mug. When you become a kitchen table partner, you 0:13:31.570 --> 0:13:35.010 get a copy of the Romans commentary from the Moody 0:13:35.010 --> 0:13:39.530 Bible Commentary. There's some great, uh, aspects, but mostly I 0:13:39.700 --> 0:13:43.540 appreciate not just that you get those things, but I 0:13:43.540 --> 0:13:47.100 appreciate your kindness to me by becoming a kitchen table partner. 0:13:47.100 --> 0:13:50.179 If you have been listening for a while and you thought, well, 0:13:50.179 --> 0:13:52.540 I've given an occasional gift, but I'd like to become 0:13:52.540 --> 0:13:56.059 a kitchen table partner. What you have to do is 0:13:56.059 --> 0:14:04.860 call (888) 644-7122. Or you can just go to open line 0:14:04.860 --> 0:14:08.860 radio.org and become a kitchen table partner right there. We're 0:14:08.860 --> 0:14:13.580 going to talk to Bonnie in South Carolina listening to WGBH. 0:14:14.020 --> 0:14:16.940 Welcome to Open Line, Bonnie. How can I help you? 0:14:17.340 --> 0:14:21.060 Thank you very much. I appreciate what you do. And 0:14:21.580 --> 0:14:25.500 I have a question. Um, as I'm reading, especially in 0:14:25.500 --> 0:14:31.540 the Psalms, such as Psalm 19 and 119, um, I 0:14:31.580 --> 0:14:38.020 come across the words testimony, statutes, precepts, law, judgments, commandments. 0:14:38.140 --> 0:14:46.140 And I'm wondering, are these, uh, words used inner? To 0:14:46.180 --> 0:14:48.740 to explain the same thing? Or do they have a 0:14:48.740 --> 0:14:49.700 different meaning? 0:14:50.460 --> 0:14:55.620 Well, there are synonyms that have different aspects to them, 0:14:55.620 --> 0:15:02.580 nuances to them, but they're basically synonyms. Uh, I believe 0:15:03.700 --> 0:15:06.420 I posted I have to I have to find it. Uh, 0:15:06.420 --> 0:15:09.460 I don't Trish may be able to find it. I 0:15:09.500 --> 0:15:12.980 went through the different words that are used that you're 0:15:12.980 --> 0:15:19.820 describing in Psalm 119, and I made a little, uh, 0:15:20.500 --> 0:15:23.980 sheet that we posted on Facebook a couple of years 0:15:23.980 --> 0:15:27.140 ago with the different nuances of all these words. I'll 0:15:27.140 --> 0:15:30.540 try and find those for you, Bonnie, and get those posted. 0:15:30.580 --> 0:15:31.979 Are you on Facebook? 0:15:32.540 --> 0:15:35.540 No, but I'll ask a friend to help me there. 0:15:35.940 --> 0:15:39.190 Well, well, you know what? I'll see. Maybe. It probably 0:15:39.190 --> 0:15:41.350 won't be this week. Maybe next. By next week, we'll 0:15:41.350 --> 0:15:44.150 be able to get those posted. Or in a couple days, 0:15:44.510 --> 0:15:49.630 we'll find that sheet. And, uh, you know what? Uh, Bonnie, if, uh, 0:15:50.350 --> 0:15:54.950 if you hang on, uh, I'll have Lisa pick up 0:15:54.950 --> 0:15:58.150 your your call and she'll get an email address where 0:15:58.150 --> 0:15:59.550 we can mail that to you. 0:15:59.590 --> 0:15:59.830 Okay. 0:15:59.870 --> 0:16:02.630 That would be fine. Thank you so much I appreciate that. 0:16:02.630 --> 0:16:02.990 Okay. 0:16:03.310 --> 0:16:05.150 Yeah, you hang on, though. Lisa's got to pick up 0:16:05.150 --> 0:16:07.190 your call or to hear her. Someone's going to talk 0:16:07.190 --> 0:16:10.070 with you in a minute. Okay. Thank you. Bonnie, appreciate 0:16:10.070 --> 0:16:14.070 your call. Uh, we're going to talk to Ron in 0:16:14.070 --> 0:16:16.990 Florida listening online. Welcome to Open Line. Ron. How can 0:16:16.990 --> 0:16:17.630 I help you? 0:16:18.750 --> 0:16:23.550 Hey, Michael. Uh, happy Saturday, and congratulations on your new status. 0:16:23.590 --> 0:16:25.990 It sounds like you're going into some kind of partial 0:16:25.990 --> 0:16:28.470 retirement or something, but, uh. That's great. 0:16:28.470 --> 0:16:29.710 Well, actually, I'm I'm. 0:16:29.750 --> 0:16:39.110 Retiring to only do about 2 or 3 full time jobs. Uh. Uh, 0:16:39.910 --> 0:16:43.310 but I'm actually kind of retiring from education is what 0:16:43.310 --> 0:16:48.510 it is from, uh, you know, the, the, the classroom 0:16:48.510 --> 0:16:51.150 and the and the, uh, although I just taught for 0:16:51.150 --> 0:16:54.710 a week at Dallas Theological Seminary, and I'm scheduled to 0:16:54.710 --> 0:16:58.510 teach there again, I'll still teach adjunct various places, but, uh, 0:16:59.550 --> 0:17:04.270 I'm going to retire officially from Moody Education. That's all. Wow. Uh, 0:17:04.430 --> 0:17:09.390 still radio, still speaking for Moody at conferences and, uh, 0:17:09.390 --> 0:17:12.670 still representing Moody as best I can. Uh, that's my 0:17:12.670 --> 0:17:15.310 alma mater. I love this school. I've taught at Moody. 0:17:15.350 --> 0:17:22.070 Now I'm in my almost completed 32 years, so. Wow. Yeah. It's, uh, 0:17:22.750 --> 0:17:25.750 Moody used to have a blue logo, and someone once said, when. 0:17:25.750 --> 0:17:29.750 When you cut me, I bleed moody blue. So. Yeah, 0:17:29.790 --> 0:17:31.389 that's that's really true of me. 0:17:32.430 --> 0:17:35.070 Well, that's a blast from the past. Anyway, let me 0:17:35.070 --> 0:17:38.710 get to my question. So in in the in Jesus's 0:17:38.710 --> 0:17:43.189 prayer in the garden before his crucifixion, before his arrest, 0:17:43.670 --> 0:17:47.790 he I mean, there's no indication that anyone was there. 0:17:48.150 --> 0:17:50.869 And there are other parts of the Bible I can't 0:17:50.910 --> 0:17:54.510 remember specifically now, but in my reading I've I've wondered 0:17:54.510 --> 0:17:58.470 this about several parts. So if no one was there, um, 0:17:58.790 --> 0:18:02.310 and I have no doubts that that, uh, that the, 0:18:02.390 --> 0:18:05.950 the words recorded really were said and everything. I'm just 0:18:05.950 --> 0:18:09.470 interested to know, how could they have been recorded, uh, 0:18:09.470 --> 0:18:12.510 word for word, if no one was actually there listening 0:18:12.550 --> 0:18:14.510 to them or witnessing what happened? 0:18:15.109 --> 0:18:18.669 First of all, I would caution you to thinking against 0:18:18.670 --> 0:18:22.670 thinking that we have a verbatim transcript of what was said. 0:18:23.790 --> 0:18:27.949 I don't think we do. Um, if I if, you know, 0:18:27.990 --> 0:18:32.750 you might have a conversation with someone and I say, hey, 0:18:32.750 --> 0:18:35.439 what what'd you say? You'll tell me what you said. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.360 And the substance of the conversation. And it'll be accurate, 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.920 but it wouldn't be a transcript like you have in court. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:48.600 Isn't that true? Yes. That. That's sort of the way 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.120 we have information in the Gospels. It's why when there 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.480 are conversations happening and they're recorded in multiple gospels, that 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.800 that they're not exactly the same. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:05.120 Because that still leaves the question of how Jesus. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:05.399 How did. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.600 They recorded in the garden if he was alone? 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.919 Sure. That that's my first part of the answer is 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:17.640 I want you to caution you against thinking it's verbatim. Secondly. Now, 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.480 the second part of your question, uh, let's think about 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.240 the Lord Jesus is alone with the Samaritan woman talking 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.800 to her at the well. Right? And the disciples come 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.879 and they find out. And but we have in the 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.120 Gospel of John the entire conversation that the Lord had 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.320 with her. I'm going to give you this radical idea. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:44.520 They said, Yeshua, what did you say to that woman? 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.240 And he told them the conversation. Just like I said, 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.080 my wife will sometimes see me talking to a neighbor. 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.600 What did you say to Bob over there? And, well, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.920 I'll recount the conversation. I believe that's what happened very often. 0:19:59.960 --> 0:20:03.679 Another example is if Balaam was on top of a mountain, 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.560 how is it that Moses knew to record what Balaam's 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:14.040 oracles were? Well, it tells us in numbers 31 that 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:20.920 Balaam was captured and executed for his provocation of Israel, 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:28.040 to enter into idolatry and engage in terrible behavior. And 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.290 he was executed for that. But I believe he was 0:20:30.290 --> 0:20:34.690 debriefed before he was executed. And I'm sure he said, well, 0:20:34.690 --> 0:20:37.250 I didn't curse you. Listen to the blessings that I 0:20:37.250 --> 0:20:41.250 gave you. And he told Moses the story of the 0:20:41.450 --> 0:20:46.369 donkey and then the oracles. And Moses said, thank you 0:20:46.369 --> 0:20:50.010 very much, but he still executed him. Uh, but that's 0:20:50.010 --> 0:20:53.330 how I think things were known by people relating what 0:20:53.330 --> 0:20:57.609 was said. I don't think there's any big mystery about it. Okay, okay. 0:20:57.650 --> 0:20:59.649 The one of Jesus in the garden, though, is a 0:20:59.650 --> 0:21:03.210 stickier one because he prayed that prayer. He went back 0:21:03.210 --> 0:21:06.170 to the disciples. They were asleep, and then he was arrested. 0:21:07.010 --> 0:21:07.490 Mhm. 0:21:07.770 --> 0:21:10.130 He could have told them after his resurrection. 0:21:10.770 --> 0:21:11.409 Could be. 0:21:12.650 --> 0:21:13.090 Yeah. 0:21:13.810 --> 0:21:17.090 Yeah. I it's not like he never talked to them again. 0:21:17.130 --> 0:21:21.170 You know I don't find it so problematic. Uh, he 0:21:21.170 --> 0:21:24.129 spent 40 days with them teaching them everything they needed 0:21:24.130 --> 0:21:27.930 to know, guiding them into all truth. So I don't 0:21:27.930 --> 0:21:30.570 think that's so much of a problem. Okay. 0:21:31.890 --> 0:21:32.930 Okay. Michael. 0:21:33.450 --> 0:21:36.770 Okay. Thank you. Ron. Really appreciate it. Uh, we're going 0:21:36.810 --> 0:21:42.290 to talk to Nancy in Zephyrhills, Florida, listening on KSL. 0:21:42.609 --> 0:21:44.970 Welcome to Open Line. Nancy. How can I help you today? 0:21:45.650 --> 0:21:49.450 Yes. Good morning. I was wondering about the two witnesses 0:21:49.770 --> 0:21:54.530 in the book of revelation, and my study guides will 0:21:54.530 --> 0:21:58.970 tell me that they suppose this to be Moses and Elijah. 0:21:59.210 --> 0:22:03.690 But I was thinking that it's probably Enoch and Elijah, 0:22:03.730 --> 0:22:07.770 because those were the two individuals that never faced death. 0:22:07.810 --> 0:22:12.050 God took them up into heaven, and I thought that 0:22:12.050 --> 0:22:15.090 would be a better explanation of the two witnesses than 0:22:15.090 --> 0:22:18.330 assuming it would be Moses. What do you think? 0:22:19.050 --> 0:22:23.050 Well, I think, uh, what do I think? Well, I 0:22:24.369 --> 0:22:27.140 don't think it has to be someone who never died. 0:22:28.020 --> 0:22:30.340 So I don't think it has to be Enoch. I 0:22:30.380 --> 0:22:34.820 think when you look at the description of them, it 0:22:34.820 --> 0:22:41.060 says in revelation 11, these men, verse six, these men 0:22:41.100 --> 0:22:43.940 have the power to close up the sky so that 0:22:43.940 --> 0:22:46.740 it does not rain during the days of their prophecy. 0:22:46.900 --> 0:22:51.460 That sounds like Elijah, right? And then it says they 0:22:51.460 --> 0:22:53.780 also have the power over the waters to turn them 0:22:53.780 --> 0:22:56.100 into blood and to strike the earth with every plague 0:22:56.100 --> 0:23:02.820 whenever they want. That sounds like Moses. So Elijah and 0:23:02.820 --> 0:23:05.060 Moses is where they get it, but I'm not sure. 0:23:05.380 --> 0:23:08.420 I'm not. We'll see when it when it happens, I 0:23:08.420 --> 0:23:11.500 won't see. But when it happens, people will see. I'm 0:23:11.540 --> 0:23:18.260 not sure if this is literal Elijah and Moses, or 0:23:18.380 --> 0:23:22.420 so much as two prophets who will arise, who will 0:23:22.420 --> 0:23:27.620 be like Moses and Elijah in what they can and 0:23:27.619 --> 0:23:30.260 cannot do. It may be Moses and Elijah. 0:23:31.140 --> 0:23:33.700 Or are you in your car? 0:23:34.740 --> 0:23:37.899 Or it could very well be someone in the spirit 0:23:37.900 --> 0:23:42.300 and power of Moses and Elijah. Okay, Nancy. 0:23:43.220 --> 0:23:45.820 No, I was thinking that it might be because there 0:23:45.820 --> 0:23:49.300 was a prophet who said that Elijah would return. 0:23:50.020 --> 0:23:53.980 Yeah, I think Elijah will return. Malachi chapter four. But 0:23:53.980 --> 0:23:58.700 that's at the end of the tribulation period. Not necessarily 0:23:58.700 --> 0:24:01.540 here in revelation 11. Okay. 0:24:01.740 --> 0:24:02.140 Okay. 0:24:02.300 --> 0:24:02.980 All right. Thank you. 0:24:02.980 --> 0:24:05.580 Very much. You know, listen, Nancy, you don't have to 0:24:05.580 --> 0:24:07.179 agree with me at all. I'm just telling you the 0:24:07.180 --> 0:24:11.899 best I as I understand scripture. Okay. But if you 0:24:11.900 --> 0:24:16.020 think it's Enoch and Moses or Elijah, Enoch and Elijah, 0:24:16.020 --> 0:24:20.060 that's fine. Uh, you know, we'll see with these kinds 0:24:20.060 --> 0:24:23.380 of prophetic issues, I think it's important. Just wait and say, well, 0:24:23.380 --> 0:24:26.500 we'll see when it happens. Who's who's got it right. 0:24:27.460 --> 0:24:32.859 So okay, we're going to talk to, uh, Jerry, uh, 0:24:32.859 --> 0:24:35.419 in Ohio listening to CRF. Go ahead with your question 0:24:35.420 --> 0:24:37.899 right away because we're up against a break, Jerry. 0:24:39.220 --> 0:24:47.180 My question is about, uh, Matthew, um, 2339. Why did 0:24:47.180 --> 0:24:50.980 he say you will not see me again until you say, 0:24:50.980 --> 0:24:53.300 blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. 0:24:53.660 --> 0:24:54.980 What's your view on that? 0:24:55.460 --> 0:24:59.460 He's talking to Israel. Oh, Jerusalem. Jerusalem. I would have 0:24:59.460 --> 0:25:02.260 gathered you as a mother hen gathers her chicks, but 0:25:02.260 --> 0:25:05.220 you were unwilling. Now your house, your temple, is going 0:25:05.220 --> 0:25:07.939 to be left to you desolate. That's what the context is. 0:25:07.980 --> 0:25:10.740 And he says, and you won't see me again until 0:25:11.340 --> 0:25:14.620 you welcome me back. Until you welcome me back. That's 0:25:14.619 --> 0:25:16.500 what the phrase blessed is. He who comes in the 0:25:16.500 --> 0:25:18.619 name of the Lord means. And so the key to 0:25:18.660 --> 0:25:22.619 the Second Coming at the end of the tribulation is 0:25:22.710 --> 0:25:27.950 for Israel to welcome the Messiah back. And when Israel 0:25:28.390 --> 0:25:33.590 welcomes Jesus, just like Zechariah 1210 describes, when they see him, 0:25:34.270 --> 0:25:36.950 he will. When they call on him, he will return. 0:25:36.950 --> 0:25:39.990 They will see him. And that's the key to the 0:25:39.990 --> 0:25:42.830 end of the tribulation and the beginning of the kingdom. 0:25:42.830 --> 0:25:45.630 When Israel receives the Messiah, we'll be right back. Thanks 0:25:45.630 --> 0:25:48.470 for your call, Jerry. Stay with us. This is open 0:25:48.470 --> 0:26:08.230 line with Michael Radonich. And we're back. I'm Michael Redlich, 0:26:08.230 --> 0:26:11.710 and joining me right now for the Febc mailbag is 0:26:11.710 --> 0:26:15.149 Tricia McMillan. Far Eastern Broadcasting Company does so much to 0:26:15.150 --> 0:26:18.310 bring the gospel to people all around the globe, through 0:26:18.310 --> 0:26:22.390 media and through personal engagement. Uh, it's a great ministry. 0:26:22.390 --> 0:26:25.830 I hope you'll check out their website febc. Org. It 0:26:25.830 --> 0:26:30.109 also has a link there also on your whatever source 0:26:30.109 --> 0:26:32.869 you use for your podcast, you can get the podcast 0:26:32.869 --> 0:26:36.070 called Until All Have Heard featuring Ed Cannon. I think 0:26:36.070 --> 0:26:38.750 you'll really enjoy listening to that. Give you a wider 0:26:38.750 --> 0:26:40.870 picture of what God is doing through the world, and 0:26:40.869 --> 0:26:48.310 we appreciate Febc partnering with us to bring you Openline. Well, uh, Tricia, uh, 0:26:48.430 --> 0:26:51.830 we've got the mailbag here, and I know that you've 0:26:51.830 --> 0:26:54.949 been working hard on it. Uh, sometimes people send you 0:26:54.990 --> 0:26:58.630 questions and they want to know why it is that 0:26:58.630 --> 0:27:01.750 their question didn't get on the air. And the reason 0:27:01.750 --> 0:27:03.390 is we're trying to make our way through it, I 0:27:03.390 --> 0:27:06.070 know that, but then sometimes people ask questions in a 0:27:06.070 --> 0:27:08.870 really kind of unclear way. What do you do when 0:27:08.869 --> 0:27:11.830 someone asks a question that's not real clear? 0:27:12.190 --> 0:27:14.150 I try and write them back and say, what is 0:27:14.150 --> 0:27:18.270 it exactly that you're trying to find out? Because sometimes 0:27:18.270 --> 0:27:21.160 there's this, um, other reason that they're looking it up. 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:23.480 They teach a Bible study, and they just that wasn't 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.639 pertinent to the question itself, but it helps in us 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:30.040 answering it. Sometimes it's, um, sometimes the question. 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:30.960 Is just not clear. 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:32.720 Yeah, sometimes it makes a lot of sense. When I 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.560 read it, I'm like, oh, that's a great question. And 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:37.240 then I talk with you and I try and ask 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.840 it and I realize, wait, I don't actually know what 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:44.880 they're asking. Um, so so I do try and write 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.520 you back if, if I don't understand it, because I 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.520 want to make sure that your question actually gets answered, 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.800 that you're asking and that you're satisfied with that question. 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:57.480 Yeah, I appreciate that you do that so much. Because, 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.080 you know, sometimes when people ask me a question on 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.960 the air and I don't understand it, I ask for clarification. 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.480 Can't do that with a mailbag question. So that's why. 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.199 I'm the one who has to clarify it. And if 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:08.960 I don't know, then we're not going to be able 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:10.000 to give you a good answer. 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.960 Exactly. Okay. Well, what have we got today? 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.680 All right. First question is from Chris in Arkansas. Listens 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.440 to I listen to Open Line every week on my 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.679 local radio station in Mena, Arkansas. And thank you. 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:22.920 Thank. 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.439 You, thank you. Yeah, I've been watching a documentary series 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:29.680 about the origin of Christianity within Judaism. In one episode, 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.800 they claim that the apostle Paul was an anti-Semite according 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:37.000 to first Thessalonians 214 through 16. And this came as 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.800 a complete shock to me. Can you offer any insight 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:41.840 into this notion and the verses? 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.720 You know, this is kind of interesting. I wrote an 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:52.400 article for Bibliotheca Sacra called Was Paul anti-Semitic? That was 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.760 the name of the article, and it was a reappraisal 0:28:55.760 --> 0:29:00.880 of First Thessalonians 214 through 16, which, uh, I don't 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.800 know if I could find that article. Bibliotheca Sacra is 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:08.320 an academic journal published by Dallas Theological Seminary. And the 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:12.080 reason I'm interested in this passage is it was part 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.960 of my master's thesis, and it's even I deal with 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.840 it in a little booklet that's available on the internet. 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.160 I think we can link that on our Facebook page, right? 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:20.560 Yes we. 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:24.880 Can. Yeah. Um, and so it's part of my, uh, 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:28.800 interest level for my master's thesis and journal article I've written. 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:33.600 And here's what I would say. Clearly, Paul wasn't anti-Semitic everywhere. 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:35.760 When he's on trial, what does he say? I am 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:37.840 a Jew of Tarsus. He's on trial for the hope 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.480 of the resurrection. He's a Hebrew of Hebrews. He's a Pharisee. 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.800 He says, uh, he doesn't. He always identifies as a 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:49.600 Jewish person. Uh, anti-Semitism, by the way, defined is Jewish 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:54.960 hatred of the Jewish people. He always identifies as a Jew. Secondly, uh, 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.479 he talks about his great compassion and love for the 0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:00.480 Jewish people. In Romans three. He talks about that Jewish 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.400 people have the advantage of being the guardians and preservers 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:08.120 of Scripture. Uh, from them came the oracles of God. 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:12.600 He said, uh, he also talks in Romans nine that 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:17.930 were he Able, he would be willing to go to 0:30:17.970 --> 0:30:23.730 hell if only his Jewish brethren could believe and and 0:30:23.730 --> 0:30:26.410 go to heaven. Uh, he's willing to give up his 0:30:26.410 --> 0:30:29.770 relationship with the Lord if that would mean the redemption 0:30:29.770 --> 0:30:33.490 of his people. How does this sound? Like hatred? Uh, 0:30:33.570 --> 0:30:37.730 he says, I wish I could. This is Romans 9392. 0:30:37.730 --> 0:30:41.330 I have intense sorrow and continual anguish in my heart, 0:30:41.330 --> 0:30:44.290 for I could wish that I myself were cursed and 0:30:44.290 --> 0:30:47.370 cut off from the Messiah. For the benefit of my brothers, 0:30:47.370 --> 0:30:52.210 my countrymen, by physical descent, they are Israelites. And he 0:30:52.210 --> 0:30:54.570 talks about all the benefits, the blessings that God has 0:30:54.570 --> 0:30:57.890 given the Jewish people. Uh, and he talks about in 0:30:57.890 --> 0:31:02.090 Romans 11 how inappropriate it is for believers to be 0:31:02.290 --> 0:31:06.969 hateful of Jewish people. He says, because they are loved. 0:31:06.970 --> 0:31:10.250 Verse 28, they are loved because of the forefathers. Uh, 0:31:10.250 --> 0:31:13.610 and he says, God's gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable. 0:31:14.330 --> 0:31:18.090 He tells Christians not to be ignorant of God's plan 0:31:18.090 --> 0:31:21.370 for the Jewish people. He says, uh, I don't want 0:31:21.370 --> 0:31:24.130 you to be unaware of the mystery that God has 0:31:24.130 --> 0:31:27.050 for them. And then he also says, don't be conceited. 0:31:27.050 --> 0:31:31.210 Don't be arrogant toward those branches. The original, uh, to 0:31:31.250 --> 0:31:34.010 the Jewish people. So those are some of the things 0:31:34.010 --> 0:31:37.090 Paul is certainly not anti-Semitic. So when you come to 0:31:37.130 --> 0:31:42.890 first Thessalonians 214, where it talks about, uh, the Thessalonians, 0:31:42.890 --> 0:31:47.450 you brothers became imitators of God's churches, uh, that are 0:31:47.450 --> 0:31:50.690 in Judea. Since you have suffered the same things from 0:31:50.690 --> 0:31:53.730 people of your own country, just as they did from 0:31:53.730 --> 0:31:56.690 the Jews who both killed the Lord Jesus and the 0:31:56.690 --> 0:32:01.209 prophets and persecuted us. They displeased God and are hostile 0:32:01.250 --> 0:32:04.890 to everyone. So is he saying all Jewish people did this? 0:32:04.890 --> 0:32:08.690 I think the answer is this. He says that the 0:32:08.690 --> 0:32:12.140 Thessalonians experienced persecution from their own country. They country. They 0:32:12.140 --> 0:32:17.540 experienced persecution from Gentiles, just as the Jewish believers in 0:32:17.540 --> 0:32:22.540 Judea suffered persecution from the Jewish leaders. He's using the 0:32:22.540 --> 0:32:26.979 word the Jews, just like the Apostle John does the 0:32:27.020 --> 0:32:29.500 gospel in the Gospel of John, where he uses the 0:32:29.500 --> 0:32:33.100 term Jews generally to speak of of the leadership that 0:32:33.100 --> 0:32:36.500 was opposed to Jesus and not all Jewish people. And 0:32:36.500 --> 0:32:39.260 that's what Paul is doing here, the Jewish leaders who 0:32:39.260 --> 0:32:42.380 killed the Lord Jesus. Not alone. They were part of 0:32:42.380 --> 0:32:48.860 the conspiracy of guilt between, uh, the, uh, the Roman 0:32:48.860 --> 0:32:54.100 leadership and the Jewish leadership together engaged in this conspiracy 0:32:54.100 --> 0:32:58.420 of guilt. You can read that in acts 427 and 28, uh, 0:32:58.780 --> 0:33:02.860 that they there was a conspiracy of guilt between Herod 0:33:02.860 --> 0:33:08.140 and Pontius Pilate. And there is also the Jewish leaders 0:33:08.380 --> 0:33:13.100 and the Roman soldiers, and all together they conspired to 0:33:13.140 --> 0:33:16.020 kill the Lord Jesus. He's only talking about those Jewish 0:33:16.020 --> 0:33:20.540 leaders here. And they persecuted Paul. Certainly did. And they 0:33:20.540 --> 0:33:24.580 displeased God. The Jewish leaders certainly displeased God and are 0:33:24.580 --> 0:33:28.340 hostile to anyone that wanted to believe in Jesus. That's 0:33:28.340 --> 0:33:31.540 not all Jewish leaders, even. But the predominant leadership really 0:33:31.580 --> 0:33:36.100 were opposed to Jesus. He's talking about a select, simple group. 0:33:36.140 --> 0:33:40.580 Not all Jewish people. And he says, uh, how do 0:33:40.580 --> 0:33:42.340 I know this? Because they were the ones trying to 0:33:42.340 --> 0:33:46.020 keep Paul from speaking to the Gentiles. Uh, not all 0:33:46.020 --> 0:33:49.860 Jewish people, just those Jewish leaders there in the Sanhedrin 0:33:50.020 --> 0:33:53.700 in Jerusalem. And, uh, this is then saying that they 0:33:53.700 --> 0:33:57.460 will bring upon themselves judgment. It's, uh, a kind of 0:33:57.940 --> 0:34:00.940 it's called a proleptic aorist, an heiress that is so 0:34:00.940 --> 0:34:04.420 certain that it will come that it's spoken of as 0:34:04.420 --> 0:34:08.339 a completed action. But that's actually talking about A.D. 70, 0:34:08.380 --> 0:34:11.149 when the judgment will come. Just as you know, for 0:34:11.150 --> 0:34:14.629 rejecting the Messiah, the leadership, rejecting the Messiah. That's what 0:34:14.630 --> 0:34:17.950 that's about. So here's the point I'm making. If, you know, 0:34:17.989 --> 0:34:20.670 I was talking a lot, lot, lot. But here's the point. 0:34:21.110 --> 0:34:23.870 Paul was not hateful of all Jewish people. In fact, 0:34:23.870 --> 0:34:27.390 he had a great compassion for them. And in this verse, 0:34:27.390 --> 0:34:32.270 he's talking about a select group that were hostile. And 0:34:32.270 --> 0:34:35.270 not all Jewish people. And he's he's just stating the 0:34:35.270 --> 0:34:38.589 facts that they were opposed to Jesus, opposed to the gospel, 0:34:39.150 --> 0:34:41.989 opposed to proclaiming it. And as a result, they will 0:34:41.989 --> 0:34:42.950 face judgment. 0:34:43.190 --> 0:34:46.870 Okay. I hope that helps, Chris. Um, as you as 0:34:46.870 --> 0:34:50.989 you continue reading, um, our next question. Yeah. 0:34:51.270 --> 0:34:53.629 Wait, wait. Are you going to post that? Yes. Maybe 0:34:53.630 --> 0:34:54.830 we can on the Facebook page. 0:34:54.870 --> 0:34:56.350 Yes, I'll post it and I'll post it on the 0:34:56.350 --> 0:34:58.150 website as well for people. I'll see if. 0:34:58.150 --> 0:35:00.149 I can find a copy of that article I wrote 0:35:00.190 --> 0:35:03.669 on the journal. Okay. Uh, maybe we can get that 0:35:03.670 --> 0:35:04.390 posted too. 0:35:04.430 --> 0:35:06.830 Okay. We'll see. Okay. So. But it was called. They 0:35:06.830 --> 0:35:10.029 called me Christ killer. Right. Is the booklet. Is the 0:35:10.070 --> 0:35:13.870 booklet that you wrote okay, I will I will pull anti-Semitic. 0:35:14.190 --> 0:35:16.350 Is the article I wrote okay. 0:35:16.910 --> 0:35:18.870 Okay. All right. Yeah. We'll see what we can find. 0:35:18.870 --> 0:35:21.430 And I will post whatever we find on our website. 0:35:22.150 --> 0:35:25.430 Our next question is from Jean in Georgia, who listens 0:35:25.430 --> 0:35:28.549 to I Know Jesus and the Holy Spirit as a 0:35:28.590 --> 0:35:31.910 comforter and teacher to believers here on earth. What happens 0:35:31.910 --> 0:35:33.989 to the Holy Spirit when we get to heaven? 0:35:36.350 --> 0:35:36.950 You know. 0:35:37.230 --> 0:35:40.590 God has not disclosed that fully to me. No, he's 0:35:40.590 --> 0:35:43.790 still going to work. Uh, what I was thinking of 0:35:43.830 --> 0:35:48.630 is the picture of heaven in Romans, in revelation chapter one, 0:35:49.150 --> 0:35:53.110 where it says, uh, grace and peace to you. Verse 0:35:53.110 --> 0:35:55.989 four in the middle from the one who is, who 0:35:55.989 --> 0:35:58.509 was and who is coming. Then it says, from the 0:35:58.510 --> 0:36:03.630 seven spirits before his throne are the seven spirits. That's 0:36:03.630 --> 0:36:07.310 another way of talking about the Holy Spirit. The reason 0:36:07.310 --> 0:36:10.950 he is called the Seven Spirits is based on Isaiah 11, 0:36:10.950 --> 0:36:13.509 where it talks about the anointing of the Holy Spirit 0:36:13.710 --> 0:36:18.270 on the Messiah. And it has seven times seven anointings 0:36:18.270 --> 0:36:20.910 and as a result of that, he's called the seven 0:36:20.910 --> 0:36:25.950 spirits in revelation chapter one. And so he's before the 0:36:25.950 --> 0:36:30.670 throne of God, facilitating worship. Uh, that's what I can tell. 0:36:30.790 --> 0:36:33.870 And we will be worshiping God. And as a result, 0:36:33.870 --> 0:36:36.590 I think part of the way the Holy Spirit will 0:36:36.590 --> 0:36:40.030 do it is he will facilitate that worship through us 0:36:40.030 --> 0:36:44.310 before the throne of God. That's at least one thing 0:36:44.310 --> 0:36:45.950 I know the Holy Spirit will do when we get 0:36:45.950 --> 0:36:46.470 to heaven. 0:36:46.510 --> 0:36:52.190 Okay. Okay. Um, so that was revelation one four. Yeah. Okay. Okay. 0:36:52.230 --> 0:36:54.190 So still continuing to work. 0:36:54.750 --> 0:36:59.590 And yeah, the thing about it, the Triune God is eternal, right? 0:36:59.630 --> 0:37:02.430 Forever was he was. He is. And he will be. 0:37:02.469 --> 0:37:05.600 And so but you know, he hasn't disclosed everything the 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:09.160 Holy Spirit will do. We'll see. Okay. 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.200 Well. Thank you. Thank you for that. Um. 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:12.760 Yeah. 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:14.000 All right. 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.839 Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was great. Thank you so much 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.760 for bringing those questions. I really appreciate it. And we'll 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.800 talk more about those questions coming up, uh, next week. 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:27.200 Thanks for all you do and putting the mailbag together. 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.200 You can always reach us by going to Openlibrary.org and 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:34.000 click on Ask Michael a question and, uh, and just 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:35.840 we'll put it in the mailbag. That was Tricia McMillan. 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.279 I'm Michael Zelnick. We'll be right back with more in 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:51.480 just a minute. Welcome back to Open Line. So glad 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.799 that we're together studying the word together today. Uh, hope 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.040 you've had a great Saturday, and we'll continue to enjoy 0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:01.120 your weekend. Now, a couple of things I need to mention. 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:05.400 First of all, you're aware, I am sure that Israel 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.120 is in a tough state right now. They're in the 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:12.000 midst of a war started by Hamas. They just came 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:16.080 out of a 12 day war with Iran. It's it's 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.160 quite a challenge in Israel. And people will wonder, well, 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.120 what does the future hold? Chosen People Ministries, one of 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:25.400 our partners here on Open Line, is offering a free 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.480 ebook that will give you the answer to that question. 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:33.040 It's called Israel's Glorious Future. The book details God's faithfulness 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.839 to his covenant promises and shows how God will be 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:40.560 faithful to those very same prophets, promises, and prophecies made 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:44.000 about Israel. If you'd like a free copy of Israel's 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:49.920 Glorious future, just go to openlibrary.org. That's our website, openlibrary.org. 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.520 Scroll all the way down. You'll see a link that 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:56.279 says A free gift from Chosen People Ministries. Click on 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.239 that and then you'll be taken to a page where 0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:01.840 you can sign up for your very own copy of 0:39:02.290 --> 0:39:07.210 Israel's Glorious Future. And also, I do want to mention, too, 0:39:07.250 --> 0:39:10.730 that there's the Bible Conference on a tall ship in 0:39:10.730 --> 0:39:15.330 the Caribbean coming up in December. If you're interested in that, 0:39:15.489 --> 0:39:20.450 go to that same website, Open Line radio.org. Scroll down 0:39:20.890 --> 0:39:27.169 all the way to the link that says Michael's personal website. 0:39:27.650 --> 0:39:30.089 And when you go to my website, you'll see the 0:39:30.090 --> 0:39:34.210 link to that upcoming trip in December, if you're interested 0:39:34.210 --> 0:39:37.930 in being part of that. Now we're going to go 0:39:37.930 --> 0:39:42.489 right to the phones to Julie listening in Florida on 91.1. 0:39:42.489 --> 0:39:45.010 Welcome to Open Line. Julie. How can I help you today? 0:39:45.850 --> 0:39:49.410 Hi. Thank you so much for taking my question. Um, 0:39:49.410 --> 0:39:52.810 so my question is, with everything happening with Israel right now, 0:39:52.969 --> 0:39:56.690 you I come across two kind of groups of Christians. 0:39:56.730 --> 0:39:59.410 The first that say pray for Israel. You know, the 0:39:59.410 --> 0:40:02.529 Bible tells us whoever blesses Israel will be blessed. Then 0:40:02.530 --> 0:40:04.770 you have another group of Christians that say, The Israel 0:40:04.810 --> 0:40:06.969 of today is not the Israel of the Bible, that 0:40:06.969 --> 0:40:10.250 the Israel of today is those grafted into the body 0:40:10.250 --> 0:40:16.569 of Christ. And if you believe that Israel today is Israel, 0:40:16.610 --> 0:40:22.089 the Bible, it's, um, dispensationalism, replacement theology, and that you're 0:40:22.090 --> 0:40:24.890 a Zionist. So this really has me confused on this issue. 0:40:24.890 --> 0:40:26.450 And I was wondering if you can give me some 0:40:26.450 --> 0:40:27.730 clarification on that. 0:40:28.250 --> 0:40:31.410 Sure. Well, first of all, I did a whole program 0:40:31.410 --> 0:40:37.490 with Chris Fabry this past Thursday about this subject and 0:40:37.530 --> 0:40:40.970 right in the middle of writing a book about it. So, uh, 0:40:41.770 --> 0:40:43.330 looking to the past, if you want to go to 0:40:43.370 --> 0:40:48.610 the website, to the Chris Fabry live website and listen 0:40:48.610 --> 0:40:51.890 to that program from Thursday, that might be helpful to 0:40:52.050 --> 0:40:56.690 people who are interested in this subject. And then also, uh, 0:40:56.810 --> 0:40:59.330 hang on. Hopefully by the fall, that book will be 0:40:59.330 --> 0:41:04.330 out on the subject about biblical Israel versus modern Israel. Okay. Okay. 0:41:04.650 --> 0:41:08.730 That's the first thing. Secondly, to call someone a Zionist, unfortunately, 0:41:09.610 --> 0:41:14.250 has been made into a dirty word, a Zionist. Zion 0:41:14.410 --> 0:41:17.730 refers to Jerusalem and then ultimately the whole land of Israel. 0:41:17.770 --> 0:41:20.569 A Zionist is someone who believes that the Jewish people 0:41:20.570 --> 0:41:24.049 have the right of self-determination in their ancient homeland. It 0:41:24.050 --> 0:41:27.130 doesn't mean anything other than that that Israel has a 0:41:27.130 --> 0:41:33.690 right to exist. And so saddened that Zionists somehow has 0:41:33.730 --> 0:41:37.410 become something bad. I used to have a button many 0:41:37.410 --> 0:41:40.169 years ago that I would put on my jacket that said, 0:41:40.170 --> 0:41:42.410 God is a Zionist because God believes in the right 0:41:42.410 --> 0:41:44.609 of Israel. He's the one that brought them back to 0:41:44.650 --> 0:41:50.730 the land of Israel. So now the question, first of all, 0:41:51.730 --> 0:41:56.090 is biblical Israel, modern Israel the same as it was? 0:41:56.890 --> 0:41:59.020 Is it the same today as it was in the Bible? Well, 0:41:59.020 --> 0:42:02.980 it's not exactly the same. Uh, Israel had a monarchy 0:42:03.219 --> 0:42:08.620 in the Old Testament. Today it's got a prime minister. 0:42:08.700 --> 0:42:12.780 It's not a king. It was a theocracy governed by 0:42:12.780 --> 0:42:17.140 God in the Old Testament. Today it's a democracy. It's 0:42:17.140 --> 0:42:20.820 a secular democracy. And so it's not the same. Here's 0:42:20.820 --> 0:42:27.780 what's the same. The in the in the Bible, Israel, 0:42:28.180 --> 0:42:31.420 the land of Israel, is the nation state of the 0:42:31.420 --> 0:42:38.819 Jewish people today, the land of Israel, the State of 0:42:38.820 --> 0:42:42.500 Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people. Same 0:42:42.500 --> 0:42:48.580 difference may be governed differently, but it's the same. Uh, secondly, 0:42:49.660 --> 0:42:55.900 those who want to argue that it's different, uh, misunderstand 0:42:55.900 --> 0:42:59.980 the the New Testament very plainly. The New Testament teaches 0:42:59.980 --> 0:43:04.580 that God is faithful to his promises to literal Israel. 0:43:04.620 --> 0:43:07.820 He's not going to take the promises of literal Israel 0:43:07.860 --> 0:43:10.380 and give them to the church. The church has great promises, 0:43:10.420 --> 0:43:13.860 not the same as the promises to Israel. God's going 0:43:13.860 --> 0:43:17.020 to be faithful to his promises. In fact, Romans nine 0:43:17.060 --> 0:43:20.140 through 11 teaches, you know, Romans eight ends with, nothing's 0:43:20.140 --> 0:43:22.900 going to separate us from the love of God. And 0:43:22.900 --> 0:43:26.460 you can just hear the objector saying, well, what about Israel? 0:43:26.780 --> 0:43:31.180 You know, God, God's not been faithful to them. And 0:43:31.180 --> 0:43:34.180 so Romans nine through 11 is the vindication of God 0:43:34.180 --> 0:43:37.740 that he's going to keep every promise to Israel. And 0:43:37.739 --> 0:43:41.820 that's how we know that he'll keep his promises to us. 0:43:41.980 --> 0:43:45.060 So if I can just direct you, there are a 0:43:45.060 --> 0:43:47.299 lot of verses we could look at. You'll have to 0:43:47.300 --> 0:43:52.140 wait for my book for that. But Romans 1128 says 0:43:52.140 --> 0:43:57.310 this regarding the gospel. They are enemies for your advantage. 0:43:57.750 --> 0:44:03.230 But regarding election or chosenness, they are loved because of 0:44:03.230 --> 0:44:08.630 the patriarchs, since God's gracious gifts and calling are irrevocable. 0:44:08.950 --> 0:44:12.470 So it is. It's recognizing that Jewish people are opposed 0:44:12.469 --> 0:44:15.109 to the gospel, and that's the advantage of Gentiles. That's 0:44:15.110 --> 0:44:18.510 why the gospel went out to the Gentiles. But regarding election, 0:44:18.510 --> 0:44:22.670 which is just a big word for chosen chosenness regarding 0:44:22.670 --> 0:44:27.110 their being chosen, they remain loved because of the promises 0:44:27.110 --> 0:44:30.270 that God made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There's no 0:44:30.270 --> 0:44:36.270 replacement theology. God's going to keep his promises to Israel. Why? 0:44:36.310 --> 0:44:40.790 Because his gracious gifts and his calling of Israel are irrevocable. 0:44:41.190 --> 0:44:43.509 Can't be changed. What is it talking about when it 0:44:43.510 --> 0:44:47.270 talks about the gracious gifts? Romans nine four, it says 0:44:47.270 --> 0:44:50.750 they are Israelites, and to them belong. And that whole 0:44:50.750 --> 0:44:53.950 sentence is governed by a present tense. Intense. Theirs are. 0:44:56.630 --> 0:45:00.710 The adoption as sons. God called Israel, my son in 0:45:00.710 --> 0:45:05.950 Exodus four. The glory. The covenants, including the land covenant, 0:45:05.950 --> 0:45:09.390 the giving of the law, the temple service and the promises, 0:45:09.390 --> 0:45:13.390 including the promise of the Messiah and the promise of land. 0:45:14.190 --> 0:45:19.350 The patriarchs are theirs, and from them by physical descent 0:45:19.350 --> 0:45:22.590 came the Messiah. So God's going to keep every promise 0:45:22.590 --> 0:45:26.550 to Israel. There's no replacement theology. I think it's crucial 0:45:26.550 --> 0:45:30.190 that we understand that, that there truly is a blessing 0:45:30.190 --> 0:45:33.190 in the Abrahamic covenant. God will bless those who bless 0:45:33.190 --> 0:45:36.590 the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Those who bless 0:45:36.590 --> 0:45:41.109 Israel will be blessed, and God will treat those with 0:45:41.110 --> 0:45:46.350 contempt who have treated Israel with contempt. I think that's 0:45:46.350 --> 0:45:49.549 a good basic principle. If you're interested in a whole 0:45:49.550 --> 0:45:53.800 book about replacement theology, Geology. There's a book by Michael Vlock. 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:57.400 Has the church replaced Israel? Great book. You might be 0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.240 interested in that. Does that help at all, Julie? 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:02.520 It does. Thank you. Because I fall under the first 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.719 category where I'm praying for Israel. I want Israel to 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.680 be safe. So I just didn't understand that other way 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:09.280 of thinking. 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.560 But that's it. Hey, thanks so much for your call. 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.320 That's the program for the week. I can't believe it's over. 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:19.680 We had a great time talking about it, but we'll 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:23.960 be back next week thanks to the Open Line team. Tricia. Tahira, Omar, 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.479 Lisa and Rihanna. Keep in touch with us by going 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:31.279 to our website openlibrary.org. It's got all the links you're 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:34.839 looking for, so don't miss out there. Keep reading the Bible. 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.240 We're going to talk about it next week. Open line 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:42.160 with Doctor Michael Riedel is a production of Moody Radio, 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:46.360 a ministry of Moody Bible Institute. Have a great weekend.